The Ringer-Verse - 'Madame Web' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

The Midnight Boys are back from the Amazon to give you all of their thoughts on the controversial 'Madame Web' (06:28). They dive into all of the things this movie just can't seem to get right and what state Sony's Marvel projects are in after this. Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What's going on in the world Of socialism's over there Ah dude it's going It's going great actually You know I don't know if you guys saw that But the My whole long game Star Wars thing

Dropped Last week It was a long game It was a total hard work But we pulled it out. Appreciate everybody who shared that. Did you get retweeted by Star Wars? I don't think so, but it's okay.

I know in their heart that they're like, damn, and the Valentine's Day stuff. That was really, that was really fun. You know, people really enjoyed all the little cards that got made. But I got to be honest with you guys,

and I haven't talked to you guys about this. Fellas, I love the social media game. I love it. For the first time of my life, I think, I don't think, I can be on Twitter anymore, guys. Like, I can't do it. What happened?

I just can't do it. What's going on? I saw a tweet today. It had a clip of Fantastic Four, Rises Silver Surfer, and somebody quoted with, C-Man, they used to make movies. This is better than anything

in Marvel Phase 1 through Phase 2 to Phase 5, and I was like, all right. See, all right, that's enough. We lost you. I can't do that. This is what happens when people started getting paid for their engagement. They're raised farming you.

Yeah. And you, you're falling for it. Don't fall for it. Rent due tweets. It's like rent due clearly. Because like why, why would you lie like this? Like, we can see you. I will say this.

It's just shameful. It's just shameful. I will say this. The first Fantastic Four movie. Don't be on this. See? Oh, are we here? Are we here, Vead?

Talk to him. Yeah. Fuck out of here, bro. Yeah. The first one. He's terrible. Talk to him. I think this is Vance 2003 agenda coming out.

Yeah. By the way, would this movie have come out in the Madam Web universe? Could we have? I mean, you guys had to be there. Jessica Alba was in her moment.

You know, Ian Griffith. You have to be there. The nigger from Nip Tuck. Yes, Julie McAddle. You guys have to be there. I'm not going to get into the whole thing. I just don't hate it.

As a matter of fact, I like it. And by the way, I was around at that time as a grown man already of drinking age. And nobody was hating on that movie then. Talk to him.

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Oh, wow. I never saw that. It's called Advent Children. It's not called Final Fantasy Advent Children. Yeah. No, it's called Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children. It's just following the story of Final Fantasy 7. On Wednesday, the House of Our Feed, Mal and Joe will be diving deep into the Bad Batch premiere.

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We got to do it. I need all of the listeners out there to hold on to your motherfucking holes. We're talking about some cinema. Because today we are going to get sticky as we get all entrenched into the world of Madam Webb. You have never heard anything? You have never seen anything. You've never experienced anything. Like you are about to experience.

Did you say web? You got like, you guys have no fucking clue. Do you not want to get shot in Queens? In Queens? Queens. Yeah. What's the baby's name, May? What's the baby's name?

What's the baby's name? What's the baby? Who's the baby? Who's the baby? Emma Roberts, on set, three hours. Tom. Like, Tops.

No, they did. They did my nigga Mike E's so dirty, bro. You know, like, Mike, Mike S on set, hour and a half. Hour and a half. Didn't even change out of the time. If that.

Topps, acting like he was in a state farm commercial. Not let him get his check, bro. You don't get his check. All right. We've already started to spoil this movie. I can tell you guys right now, we don't want to do that. We have to.

give you the spoiler warning. We might spoil everything from Madam Webb's historic comic book runs. We might spoil other Spider-Man things, the entire Spider-verse, the Spider-Universe, the entrenched spider multiverse, all of that. Steve, run a spoiler warning.

We're getting ready to talk about... He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders right before she died. You're listening? To a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. And you guys, I have never, ever, ever, ever had more anticipation for one of these and I do now.

Oh, wow. Because we have to put you in the no. And the only person who can do that is the biggest brain on the podcast, Mr. Charles Holmes, as he gives you the Midnight Manifest. Well, in honor of this movie, I'm going to ADR it in later. So, you know, great. Keep that in. All right, this is your midnight manifest for Madam Webb, directed by S.J. Clarkson, screenplay by Matt Sizama, Burke Sharpless, Claire Parker, and Clarkson, starring Dakota Johnson, Sinney, Sle Solesa, Connor, and Isabel Merced. We begin in the Amazon.

Asandra Webb's mother is looking for a rare spider that grants miraculous powers. When she finds this spider, she's double-crossed by the bodyguard who's supposed to protect her, Ezekiel, who shoots her. but the Amazon Spider people who have superpowers save Cassandra's mom and let her get bitten by a mag spider that gives her baby future powers that she's not going to get for a long time. Then, we fast forward to 2003. Cassie is now an EMT working alongside Ben Parker, who is, as everyone knows, Peter Parker's uncle. She's also on a closing course with Ezekiel, who, for some honestly unexplained reason, was cursed by said Spider, and he's now honed.

by visions of being killed by three spider women. So Ezekiel sleeps with an NSA agent that he kills, but he also steals her technology so he can track Julia, Maddie, and Corazon. Cassie ends up saving the girls from getting murdered by Ezekiel by using her future powers. They run into the woods. She leaves them. They start dancing on diner tabletops to Britney Spears toxic.

Cassie then travels to the Amazon where she learns about her magical spider pass. And spoiler alert, her mom. actually loved her and was trying to cure her of a disease with this healing magical spider, less you know, the better. Then the four not spider women team up to stop Ezekiel in, like just the fireworks factory. It's a lot. And it's here that Cassie is rendered blind and paralyzed, but her new clairvoyance also makes her a superhero and Peter Parker is also born.

And that has been near midnight manifest for Madam Webb. Instant reactions. Now, let's roll back the curtain a little bit. Before we even get to the instant reactions, Madam Webb is an abomination. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. To who? All right, we're doing this now.

We're doing this now. To who? Charles? Oh, I'm sorry. Look. Don't put me in that. Speak for yourself. Don't put me in that.

Give me your instant reaction. Chuck, take it away. I told you already. Fucking cinema. Everybody's waiting on Deadpool. three to save the superhero genre. But guys, I think Madam Webb did it. All right?

I come in here every single week. Steve played a bit. Every single week I come in here, bitching and moaning and complaining. But I have to stand on it and be like, hey, when I see a movie that's doing everything for the superhero genre that I'm asking for, I have to say it loud, I have to say it proud. And it's getting a little misogyny in here, and I need you all to bring it down. I got you.

Adam Webb Wow. Played it. Yeah. That was just I draw the line there. I draw that line there. First of all,

it's just interesting that you played it when he said, when he called you out on your misogyny. He's like, that's where we draw the line. This is direct.

Charles, I want you to make the case. This is, hold on. This is podcasting. It's easy to come on here and talk about what the movie. This is podcast.

Charles made the case for Madam Webb. You know, No, I ain't going to hold y'all. I was in there and I was just like, oh, word, they're in the Amazon cool cool. And then, and then when I saw the little spider dudes wrapped a tree branches, jump down, and they're just like, yo, we spider people. I'm like, it's never been more fucking lit. We had Ezekiel up in this bitch.

Dog. When he wakes up and he's like, I have this nightmare every night. Guys, come on. At one point in the movie, the film goes from being Madam Webb to Josie and the Pussycats. In the middle of the movie,

you get a brats, Josie and the Pussy Cats mashup. It goes straight teen drama with a multicultural cast. Y'all are telling me y'all don't like Britney Spears is toxic to remind us this 2003.

But not even Britney Spears is, toxic just as something in the background as a plot device. Yes. As an integral part of a scene. Right. Because she has to use toxic to time how she attack somebody with a car. By the way, her main weapon are motor vehicles. She hit this nigga with a car twice.

She's a carjacker in this movie. Madam Webb is so fucking powerful. She can be in three places at the same time, guys. y'all weren't going up in the movie theater for that shit it worked she's she's got she can do a metaphysical web

she can web three different people and go around and like I'm not even going to get into how she looked at the end of the movie because that's an S&L sketch that's an S&L sketch I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm like her the way she looked at at the end of the movie

like Dakota Dakota Johnson like that that's a That was, bruh, at that point, I was actually energized. Hell yeah. Because here's the thing about Madam Webb. You guys ever see The Room?

Yeah. Did you see that movie? Yeah. Okay, obviously a bad movie. Tommy Wise-O. Yeah. Tommy Whatsoe. The movie is so absurd that you didn't leave feeling like defeated.

Like, Madam Webb is fucking terrible. When I tell you, it's a new standard of terrible. But when I left, I was kind of on a high. You weren't laughing when it's like, she becomes blind. And I'm like, please don't tell me they're going to do this. They put her in a wheelchair, bro. Yeah. Like, and she was turning around.

She's like, my darling, you're finally here. Like, oh, my God. Dog, this is the best superhero movie in a while. The kids are food fighting. You don't want to see them when they're hungry. The entire, like Ben Parker, the entire. fucking movie. This movie right here, you know how we always say

hey, they weren't trying to make a bad movie? They were. Yes. This movie was a fuck you to all of us. They were trying. They, bro, they were, let me tell you something. They left the set of Madam Webb. They went

to a boat, taking the studios money, fucking doing MDMA, just fucking say, fuck these fucking nerds. We don't give a fuck. We're clocking in, fucking eight to eight. We're fucking going to the Soho House after we just taking these nerd. Fuck these nerds.

That's what this whole movie is. Fuck these nerds. It's Madam Webb, baby. They like going to hold. Sidney Sweeney, you can't tell me Sidney gave a fuck. She did. Oh, hell no. David, here's the thing.

Sydney Sweeney trying to play a nerd was so funny. I was just like, girl. Oh, she's so unattractive. She's so un-oh. We know. who she is. But, Dan, like we,

we know, like you, she's, oh my gosh, she's so mousy. Oh, what the fuck are you doing? But importantly,

Dan, what is, what is the best part about being an uncle? All the fun and none of the responsibility. Oh, my Lord. Wait,

but if you accept the responsibility, that's writing, guys, that's using your pen. There's a scene at the end of the movie where they all bring, they're bringing in Chinese food. And Madam Webb is like,

oh, you get Kupil Chicken? And Sidney's like, how'd you know? She didn't spend the whole movie predicted the future. The entire premise of the movie is that she could save your lives because she could see the future.

Whoa, not Mike Epps though. Not Mike Epps. Everybody else. Mike Epps cannot see the future. Not Mike Epps. But see, she was afraid of Mike Epps because he was black. See, the thing is, like...

Should be like Shannon Sharp is in your future. Like Mike Epps... Oh, Steve. Steve. Steve locked in. Steve's locked in. Steve is locked in the black culture... Fuck.

Steve. Wait, wait, wait. You can't name five civil rights leaders. But you know that Shannon Sharp and Mike Eft from Stephen. Come on. Wait, did I tell you? Guys, guys, I didn't tell you the women were asking for Steve. this weekend.

I was partying with the East the East L.A. Goth, Mexicana. They were like, midnight boy, you know Steve? Like, they were going up. We were dancing to Bad Bunny. They were like, yo, this is where Steve hangs out. It was, it was rough.

I'll tell you, Steve. It was anime chicks, huh? Well, here's the thing. They were playing Batman at the bar. Like, it was just like, everybody was dancing, but also watching, like, Michael Keating Batman. So I was like, this is where Steve hangs out.

This is where Steve gets it. Steve, let me ask your question. Yeah. you know that it's coming in the future the random civil rights leader test is coming back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did your study in the interim? Yes, oh my God, yes, yes.

You'll be ready, okay, yes, I will be ready, I will be ready. Okay, just let you, you know, because it's just, it's not, we're not going to hit you with it when you expect it. No, yeah, no, it'll be like, middle of a podcast, just like random time. Do you know what we really like,

what was Jim Crow abolished? What was Jim Crow abolished? What is Jim Crow? Who is Jim Crow? Jim Crow was the set of laws in the south that, uh, come on. Come on, Steve.

Come on, Steve. What? Come on Steve. Yeah. Talk your shit. Like, basically bar black.

Yeah. Let's be fucking go. I want to say that was abolished in the late 50s, early 60s. Okay. Well, you know, just depending on.

I mean, technically, I don't know if it was ever. Technically, yes, but it was still like being enforced in a lot of other places, which caused people of this. Steve's cooking.

Steve took. Steve took 11th grade history. Let's go, baby. Hey, hey, hey, Jummi, okay? We celebrate each other when it's time to celebrate each other. The motherfuckers can go nowhere but up. Okay? I'm pulling myself up in the trenches right now.

All right, so. Where do we begin with this movie is the best question? I don't know, guys. I'm being for real, like, listen, all just aside, you guys come here for an instant reaction podcast and we're giving you an instant reaction podcast to Madam Webb. Very rarely is there the type of film where like nothing works

and everything is so legitimately confounding that it just makes you wonder about the production of the film itself. Like the movie itself is this beautiful disaster where absolutely

no part of it works in any way. So I kind of know when they were a star, Charles, you take it away. So what I want to ask you, did you guys find it weird? So for this entire movie, I'm like, all right, I guess they're doing four Spider-Women.

And every single marketing thing we got, you saw the costumes, you saw Sidney Sweetie in the black costume, you saw fucking Dakota Johnson in the red one, whatever. I'm sitting there and I'm like, are they just never going to get in the costumes? Like, is this not a superhero movie? Like, they marketed it as a superhero movie. And it's just those four girls running around the entire time. And I was like, what, like, what was this always supposed to be in? did they get into the costumes and realized this looks really janky?

Like they were trying to make a slasher film but also make it superhero. I was like wondering at what point did they abandon all of them being Spider-Woman? Were they ever supposed to be? That's an interesting question. I wonder what was shot to that degree

and how things were going. The story of him seeing them kill him in his future, I mean, like, obviously once you get there, you know that they're never going to be in the costumes unless they travel into the future. We don't even see them get their powers, though. We don't see them get their powers.

We don't understand their powers. Nothing. We see them as like little teenage girls making trouble trusting someone that they met five minutes before. That actually abducted them. Right. So, I mean, I don't know. I guess they're coming.

could have been, the movie was so staccato in terms of the Spider-Man references that were supposed to be in, where the movie was supposed to be said, how things were supposed to go, and I guess how people changed their mind. It just doesn't seem like they had any vision for anything. I don't know. It's a superhero movie without superheroes in it, which is weird. Like they, like Charles said, like they do the whole ear. They've got their costumes.

And you're sitting there like, okay, cool. so they're going to get the power. Oh, they're not getting their powers. So what is the reason for any of this? And it's just confusing and very just nonsensical, honestly, in making a superhero movie where nobody, like, one person has superpowers, but the majority of the cast don't have superpowers. They're just there.

I don't get it. To be clear, guys, also, the villain, which did not make any sense, where, first of all, Dakota Johnson has to go back to the Amazon to, Talk to the spider fucking people. I'll be gone a week. And then, like, the guys explain, he's like, yeah, you know, Ezekiel, he took one of those spiders. He's cursed now. And I'm like, wait, so there's spider magic?

How is he fucking cursed? Never bring it up again. And then she goes, comes back from the Amazon. And basically her weapon is hitting people with a fucking ambulance. I don't. J.P.C. will cars. Well, she has the power of groundhog day. So.

Only when she wants it or is in danger. But you know what the funny thing is? Right now, in my own life, if there was a superpowered spider guy that was coming outside to kill everyone and I knew five minutes before that he was coming, that niggil would still get his shit off. I wouldn't know how to stop him.

Right. Like say you got like three strikes, three attempts. To be like, five minutes before, okay, that didn't work, try it again. Okay. I don't want to be the guy. offending Madam Webb, but Oh, please be. There's the

scene at the at the firework factory. She's And she sees how to do it. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about everywhere else. The dude is coming in. He's doing the other thing. And she's like,

I'm not talking about that. Bro, she crashes an ambulance through another thing and drops it on. I'm sorry. I guess I just wasn't a Madam Webb has a weird skill set from the comic books, especially if there's no Spider-Man around,

to make a whole movie about her something that's compelling. They had an uphill battle and they slid down the motherfucking hill. But I thought that's why you put the Spider-Woman in it. I was just like, oh, we need to surround this weird character with other characters that have powers.

And they didn't do that fucking either. So I'm like, why wasn't this just a Spider-Woman movie? why would you make three spider women that are never actually those characters? I mean, we're forgetting also, there's just like small logical things where it's like,

hey, I just fucked and killed someone from the NSA. Now I can track anybody in the world. And then they put Peter's mom in the car with the other three people. And I'm like, this seems like the worst idea possible. No, like none of those girls needed to be in the car. They were taking a big.

They were taking a pregnant. pregnant a woman to the hospital. They did not need to. Stay here. We'll handle business and we'll call or facts. Which, by the way, Uncle Ben is a paramedic. He knows exactly what to do in the situation. He should know exactly what to do in the situation.

Not take a car. Uncle Ben was whack. Adam Scott was, he was trying, though. Adam Scott was trying. He was doing his best. What I loved is that, like, there was like an allusion to some history between Madam Webb and Uncle Ben,

but like they didn't exactly talk about. it. And I'm like, you think you, you think he smashed him a tas? I thought he smashed. He definitely smashed. I don't know if he smashed, but they were talking to the beginning. They were talking to the beginning and they're like, yeah, I met somebody new. And she's like, oh, what's this one's name? And if they look at each other, like, it was like kind of like a flicker of acting. I like to think Mike Epps hit. This movie does a frustrating thing where we all know that the entire thing surrounding

it is, is Spider-Man, right? Peter Parker. right and and aunt may and but they don't ever say that like they never mention it right when he's talking about the new girl he doesn't say her name he just looks at her and she goes oh must be serious we're supposed to infer that it's may obviously we know and then the baby Mary Parker is having a baby with Richard Parker like what's the baby's name a balloon pops oh cool we We can't tell you the name of the baby because we have to wait until it's born. Baby gets born. Nobody says the baby's name.

We know it's Peter Parker. What are we doing? I ever tell you guys the story of the Shira party? I'm sure I have. We were living in Dallas, Texas. You have told us the story. Yes. Right.

And my mom told me we were going to a party. And it was a Beheeman. And when I get there, it's a Shira party. Oh, right. And it was all Shira. I remember I ruined the cake. Isn't it she raw? I feel like you're disrespecting me.

She raw. Shout out to her, bro. It's really not about you. I'm not trying to dish you, Shorty. You're the one. Okay? She really is a cool character. You didn't come here for that, though.

For a six-year-old, nah, I wasn't fucking with that shit. Okay? And I ruined the cake. I got mad. You ruined the cake? Yeah, I threw the cake. Like, I just fucking, I lost it, bro.

Like, I got it. Br, I got in there, and for a while, I was cool. And it was just like, more Shira just started coming to the party. And there was no he man. It's pink everywhere. Like, no he man related stuff. Were there other boys at the party who are also pissed? Maybe one.

But it was a party for, and look, I don't know nobody here. It's a party for a little girl. One of my mother's friends, whatever. And I don't want to be here. And so it was an example. McDonald's, McDonald's used to have birthday parties back in the day. Yeah, I read, yeah, I've been doing McDonald's birthday party. It was at McDonald's.

They bring the cake out the whole thing. They brought the cake out. I lost it. The cake had Shira on it. Couldn't have it anymore. I fucked up the cake. Play the music, Steve. This is facts.

And I hate Shira. And my mom was like, my mom didn't even get mad. She was just like, I don't know what to do. Like she thought of someone's wrong. Anyway, that's how this movie felt. This movie felt like I was back at that. She were party. Like, I was waiting for He-Man to show up this whole movie, right?

It's like I was, it's like they were dangling. The movie, every part of the movie was super frustrating. It was super frustrating how she was acting. This is the worst acting job by Dakota Johnson I've ever seen. Worst acting by everyone involved, ever. And then the Spider-Man stuff was like He-Man at the Shira party. It was just, it was, they were never given it. to us. It was like they keep

at least fuck with us do something, but I kept waiting for something and it was like, oh, it's a different world. You can't make a character like Madam Webb work without Spider-Man. You can't.

You can't do it. It's impossible. No one fucking cares, bro. No, we don't care. You can't make you work without Spider-Man. We don't care. We don't care. I mean, my question is did Uncle Ben or Aunt May never? Because if this is in the Tom Holland universe,

where they never like, hey, we should probably tell you back when Uncle Ben was a young inn, there was actually some spider people running around. Like, because I was thinking, this essentially means that Peter Parker is not the first Spider-Man, not only because he's culturally appropriating

from our brothers in the Amazon. But I guess all the spider women were spider women or spider people before him? Before him. So like, did they never run into each other? Like, what's, there's New York City. What's happening? So which Spider-Man? Okay, so this has to be Tom Holland's Spider-Man because if it's not Tom Holland's Spider-Man, Jomi, what's wrong with your face? I'm trying to do the math. Do the math, idiot. Wait, when's Infinity? Infinity War is 2020, right? Infinity War is, I think it's 2018. It's set in 2018. So if he's born in 2003, okay, in this movie, he'd be,

16 and 99. That's probably around the time. I mean, you know, but no, but seriously, this would have to be Tom Hollins, right, because it would make any sense otherwise. Unless there's another Spider-Man. Yeah, because Andrew would probably be too old. That's, but then again, it raises so many questions. Why wasn't anybody like, hey, pal,

here's what happened. This and which and where, it just Uncle Ben never said, hey, I saw a giant murdering spider person when I was in my late 20s, early 30s. Right. Hey, stay from spiders kid maybe you know like it's just it's so weird and unnecessary the storyline is off Dakota Johnson

is off and then there are technical things about the movie that's off the 80s that 80s insane okay because I thought the mouth wasn't even matching at all no I thought I was tweaking but it is it's very clear that there was some post post production work done

that did not hit do we know why Was it like a stylistic choice? Was it like, oh, we have to read it? They probably made a bunch of changes. And like the dialogue that they probably recorded no longer made sense. But it was like they were taking,

it wasn't just like one line, one sentence. It was like paragraphs. Because that guy, that character's monologing, right? He's just going on and on about, oh, we got to find the kids using the cameras or whatever. And not only do they stay long on the lady at the, the lady at the computer so that they don't have to match his lips up. Every time they cut back, his lips are doing something else than the words that we're hearing.

And it's jarring. It takes you out of the movie completely. Also, the worst villain ever. Ezekiel sucks. Ezekiel is terrible. Is this our first barefoot villain? Is it? Yeah, he's barefoot villains is good.

You know who else was barefoot? Who else? Randall Flagg. from the stand. Wow. You are absolutely right. He didn't wear no shoes. I remember that made him even scarier to me

because that was in the era of Eric Bonae. And Eric Bonae would come out. Y'all know what I'm talking? Y'all know what I'm talking about? Actually, okay, I don't, but I only know of the name Eric Bonae from a common song. I'm mad, not as mad as Eric Bonae.

No, he says I'm bad. Not as bad as Eric B'nai. This is a wild episode. I'm still going to give you credit. Hold on. Like, Steve is going deep in his back. Hold on. Steve, wait.

Okay, okay. This is, you guys have to understand what's happening here. This is the most prolific pander that we've seen. Like, Steve is a master. He brought a common, bro. Common. Common. That's some Chicago stuff right there.

That's what they do. Top five. Top five rappers, Steve go. Top five rappers? Yes, all time. Is it from Chicago or are we talking like just overall? Overall. How about this?

How about this, Steve? Name five rappers or Kerm will be where you are right now. I don't even want to get me. Oh, man. I mean, common for sure. Like, he actually is one of my favorites. He's dope. I know somebody else you have to say, but just go ahead and say him.

Twista, because of Chicago. Is that why? Oh, no. I thought you was going to say Kanye, but okay, cool. No, no, twist. No, we took Kanye off Mount Rushmore and put Twister there after he acted up like that. Need you to get to five, Steve. No, no, no, of course.

No, like, if it's a group, I love NWA. NWA is probably one of my favorites from that era. Really, Steve? Yeah, no, NWA was great. Public Enemy and then Outcast, I think probably are some of my favorites. There you go. Steve, we're the same age.

This list is... What? This list is a little bit of a pander. I'm not going to lie. You're not listening to NWA in the whip, Steve? Come on, bro. Steve, what does NWA stand for? You know, I know I know what that stands for.

Just making sure. This is what happens when we get a movie like this. Dogs. Wait, also, did you all realize, like, I know these movies are just a money laundering front? The product placement was ridiculous. Okay. My favorite, no, my favorite thing ever is the fact that Dakota Johnson's holding a clearly,

like, a green screened can because they did not have, they clearly did not have the advertisers lined up for her to hold a real Pepsi can. So they just, like, I guess. guarantee you on set. She was holding a green can. And they're like, okay, who wants to buy the ad space for the, okay, Pepsi's in. Great. The fireworks factory is also going to be a rundown Pepsi Cola factory.

The whole plot revolves around the S balling. And I'm like, what are we doing? Yeah. There's no way Pepsi was like, yeah, man, sign us up. Lock us in. We want this madam web problem place. Because you know what? Because Coca-Cola definitely was not.

Pepsi's just got to get. the game. And by any means necessary, they got in the game. By any means necessary, boy, Steve, you're going crazy today. But Pepsi's just had to get in the game. She never drank the Pepsi. I want a beer. It's Pepsi. Oh, my God. Hold on. Who's your least favorite Spider Woman? Who was the one who was

bringing it the least? You know what? They were the one thing I will say is they were all pretty much equal to me. In a different world, they would have a cool little movie of Spider-Ladies together, you know, in a different world. Not in this one or anyone that we've ever been near. But in a different world, they would have a cool little Spider-Lady tandem team going on. I didn't like that they made the Black Spider-Woman. First of all, the Black Spider-Woman being related to J. Jonah Jameson is crazy.

Secondly. So how about that? So Jay Jonah Jameson is black in this world? No, maybe he's by marriage. She's like my uncle Jonah. And I'm like, also, why was she the one with the attitude? And like every single time she was talking, I'm like, why do you got an attitude? Like, why are you yelling at these people?

She's a tough, she's a tough, rich black chick. She's skateboards. That's why. She skips. She flips people all. The man. The ambulance. She flips off the man.

Yeah. Oh, and she skateboards with a piece of shrapnel down a Pepsi sign. Also, did Dakota Johnson adopt the. adopt these women? Because at one point in the movie, they're all like, they turn to her and they're like, let me tell you my story about how I was

abandoned by the world. And all of them are like, my parents are no longer here. My parents aren't back from China. My dad got deported. I can't exist. My, Cindy Sweeney's one is like,

hopeless. And I'm like, what? At the end, they all move in together. And like, they do, Charles. No, but here's the thing, though, like, they had Dakota Johnson looking like Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying? When she did the little turn, the slow turnaround,

she got the glasses on, she got like a blanket over her. I was like, it's, yeah, it's not supposed to be funny. But when she's in the hospital, bro, when she's in the hospital and she got the, like, the thing on her eyes, man, I lost it. Like, I mean, what's the funnier scene? The hospital scene from the Batman or the hospital scene from this?

So the hospital scene from the Batman is funnier just because the hospital scene from the Batman is just pure comedy. I will say... That is true. That is true. The scene from this one that did crack me up and almost I thought I was going to get kicked out the movies

is... Yo, you were a wild, bro. Like, I thought I was going to get kicked out the movies. When the dude occurs to run and goes, did you say, web? I'm like, oh, my God, bro. I'm like, my nigga, that's hilarious. Even Kalika, who hates

when I laugh at parts in the movie that aren't supposed to be funny. She hates it. Even she had to love. That was hilarious. It doesn't even make sense because all right. Yeah, there's Cassandra Webb, daughter of Constance Webb, deceased.

It's like, did you say Webb? It's like, yeah, she said it twice. What are you doing, man? What's going on? It was also this movie has the same plot as Morbius. White person, goes to the jungle,

finds some animal to save their like cells from a disease. I'm like, we got to stop with this shit. It's a little racist if we're being honest. Yeah,

why don't white people leave the jungle alone. As a matter of fact, that's not how it goes, by the way. The white people bring the diseases to the jungle. That's what,

like, they don't go to the jungle to find the cure. The white people go to the jungle and I was like, oh, smallpox, 14,000 dead. That's the way

that the fucking shit happens. So stop trying to rewrite the history of it. But she's just writing in on a bus with her little notebook that she hadn't read for her entire life. But it was in a suitcase under her bed conveniently. Charles, do I have the news for you? You will never guess who wrote Morbius and Madam Webb. Dog. The same.

Don't tell me it's the same name. The same two people. Oh, that's crazy. I'm not going to name. I know. I know. I know. I know.

Hey, hey, I got to be honest with you. It's hard to get movies made, and it's harder, it's harder to get script shot. Whoever they are, we're not going to diss them on the Midnight Boys. Y'all motherfuckers got to be stopped, bro. You got to be stopped. Damn, come on, got to be a little nicer. Come on. Everybody got to get paid.

It's true. And I'm happy that they got paid. And it's not a diss. These are two of the worst scripts that have ever been written, okay? And it's just, it's undeniable. I mean that have been materialized into a movie. Probably. Look, look, I can't talk about the ones I ain't never seen.

These are two. First of all, let's not even do Morbius, the discredit of comparing Morbius to this movie. Morbius is a fucking masterpiece compared to... No? Wait, hold on. I'm not going to let you go back. Morbius was bad. In the wake of Madam Webb, this reassesses a lot of what we've seen.

recontextualizes a lot. Well, here's the problem with Madam Webb. It's not really a movie. Like, no part of Madam Webb actually makes sense. Like, more pieces bad, but I'm like, it has a beginning,

middle, and end. Madam Webb is just like... Shit, just stuff happening. Things just happen. It's just happening constantly. Just stringing together scenes that don't really make sense.

And because you put them in a theater constitutes as a film. Like, that's essentially what it is. Also, here's the funny thing. Like, they'll do certain shit where they're like,

at the beginning of the movie, movie, they go to a fucking fireworks factory and a character will be like, this condemned fireworks factory is so dangerous. It's a death trap. If someone goes in there, it's a bad, and then they come back and I'm like, dog, don't tell me they about to do the fireworks fucking shit. Like, every part of this movie has like callbacks to shit where I'm like, we could have, we could have been more creative a little bit. It's, it's just not great. It's not, it's not what you want to see. I'll ask you guys this. Are we so Sure, Deadpool 3 can save any of this. You know, here's the thing about Deadpool 3.

I know things. And obviously, my credibility is shot from the flash debacle. But it, but. A lot of the Christopher Reeve thing. No, not from the Christopher Reeve thing. Okay. I'm talking about from the fact that a lot of the people. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Then you were telling us, you were just like, guys, the people I trust in the town. It's gas. Hey, hey, I was lied to. And you know what's funny?

You know what I never talked about on this podcast? I never talked about that one of these people admitted that they lied. Damn. Wow. Wow. Actually, that's big. That's actually big. I'm actually like,

that's not big for me at all. Of course they lied. Yeah, of course they lied. One of these people goes, it was so funny. I like, it's like, hey, bro.

And they just shrugged their shoulders. and I was like, oh, so it's just a shoulder shrug. And it was like, hey, like, we are in a situation. And we know that when you believe something or when you're an advocate of something, I was like, you realize I'll never trust you again, even though we're still going to do that movie together. I was like, you realize, like, I'll never trust you again. It's like, well, yeah, we had to.

That's the George Costanza mentality. It's not a lie if you believe it. Yeah, it's true. Mythomaniom. But Deadpool's going to be good. Now, Deadpool is such a singular thing that I doubt the move. They can't ever make another movie like Deadpool 3 is going to be ever again.

But I feel like everybody is like hoping and waiting. They're like, this is going to be the shot in the arm. And I'm just like, I think we're putting too much on that movie. Shit, like, we've still got Craven. Like Craven still is coming out this year, guys. Like, I'm holding out hope for Craven. I am. No, man.

Better banning me, Steve. I still, I know. I still have my prediction. I'm like, we will enjoy. We will enjoy Craven Lentown. Let's go around the room right now. What's the percentage chance that Craven will be good? I'm going by enjoyable.

I'm not going by good. I'm going by enjoyable. Okay. What's the percentage chance that Craven will be enjoyable slash good? What's the percentage chance? I think that's like a 65% chance that it will be enjoyable. You were. Sixty five.

your fucking mind. What the what? You're out, you're off, you're fucking shit right now. I'm really hopeful. I'm really hopeful that this can give us like a car, a carnage venom two level five.

Spider-Man shit makes you think this will be 65% enjoy, like has a chance. I think if Russell Crow goes bananas and if I think the movie is at least violent and fun, I think that we can get some level of like Venom 2 enjoyment out of this. This is a great, thing for for drug reform.

This is a great advertisement for drug reform. Fucking. This is insane. I can't take you serious. 65? 65? I was going to go like 10%. Oh, it's a 3% chance

that the movie's good. I was going to say 5%. It's a 5% chance that is enjoyable and good. And by the way, yo, once again, if the shit is good, then the shit is good. But if we're talking about from what we've seen, it's a 3% chance that that movie is any good. The only thing to be honest with you

that makes me think that the movie could be good is the talent that is attached. And these people don't typically make bad movies. So maybe they saw something about it. But we've seen, we've been defied. Like, they've defied us. Jared Leto typically doesn't make bad movies. Jared Lettow?

Yeah. No, he's in bad movies. What are the worst Jared Lettel movies? What's- Chapter 27 for? sure. He was in suicide squad guys. Come on. That's true. That's a good point. House of Gucci, not terrible. House of Gucci's not terrible.

But he was not good in that. He was not good in House of Gucci. He's doing a Super Mario Brothers impression. What are you talking about? It's Jared Letto. Okay, listen, he's, this nigger has made a lot of movies. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's just film. Oh, no, he didn't make too many movies. He's made it like a lot of movies. Yeah, he's been in a lot of movies. He's prolific as shit. But I like somebody.

This is what I'm saying. A lot of these movies I like. Lord of War, I love. Dallas Bires Club, I love. Oh, phone booth is great. Fight Club, phone booth, Panic. Blade Runner, he was good in Blade Runner 2049. Blade Runner 2049.

He was fucking great. Okay. Zach Stacks. Justice League. He was amazing. Look, he's going to be in Tron, Aries. God damn it. I can't wait to see John.

He was in Haunted Mansion. Did y'all see that movie? I did not see that. I did. It's, it's surprisingly okay. So, Hunted mention is surprisingly all right.

It's a very sweet, like, little movie about, like, the afterlife and, and relatives passing away. Oh, you enjoy that shit.

Can you get down with that shit? I tried it. I tried it. Oh, you want to, you want to fuck with that shit. You love that. Death and spirits?

You, uh, you like, Honey, my name is Steve. I want to go to Disneyland. It's the fuck. I'm just trying to get Jolmi to do a Ouija board

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actually hurt Sony or is it like Tom Holland Spider-Man Spider-verse? They're just like that shit's forcing money. Sony can't be hurt. Sony can't be hurt. No, no. I'm not talking about like the,

I'm like talking about the credibility of them keeping doing all these. They don't have any credibility. Dog, they have, it's like, it's really shameless. They did the Tom Holland and Spider-Verse movies.

They didn't do the Tom Holland movies. But that's one out of every 20. Shut up. They didn't do it. They didn't do the tall-hour movies. They didn't do them. They didn't do them. As a matter of fact, the best thing that they realized,

the best thing that they realized, Chuck, is that they couldn't do them. That is true. That is true. The best decision that they made, and I give Amy Pascal and the rest of these people a lot of credit for this, is that they realized they did not have it in-house

to make Spider-Man the way they wanted to. Then why are they doing all these other movies? Shit, you ask me. I don't know. We said money laundering. They got to keep the rights to this stuff. So they got to continue to make the movies. But you're telling me Madam Webb is where we're at.

Yes, unfortunately. Remember when Amazing Spider-Man 2 was coming out there. Like, oh, we're going to do a Sinicist's a Six movie. We actually did get the Venom movie, right? Like, they were just like, we're going to cook. We just like, all our eggs go. Give me a carnage movie. Like, come on.

Like, come on. So let me ask you a question. Is it possible we're too hard on Sony? Let me tell you why. If we lined up all the Sony Spider-Man movies, all of them, even if you want to throw in the MCU stuff, is it true that they've made more good movies than bad movies?

No. Spider-Man 1. Spider-Man 1, good. Spider-Man 2, transcendent. Spider-Man? Bad. Not good. Amazing Spider-Man, good.

Amazing Spider-Man 2, bad. Bad. Bad, okay. Three Tom Holland ones, good. Three time hauling ones, good. Venom. Venom. Good.

The first venom, good. Second Venom. So how many Venoms have there been? Three. They've been two. Honestly, I think now that you're saying this, because we got to involve all of the spider verses in there, too. Damn.

Right. It might have made more good ones than bad ones. They've made, when you think about it, they've made, but here's the thing. So this is the reason why they have a bad rip. They have a bad reputation because the misses are so gigantic, right? And so because the misses are so gigantic, it clouds the fact that they actually, when they know what they're doing, make a good movie. And also, the bigger they try to go, the worse they do.

And I'll tell you what I mean by that. They're trying to connect all of these movies, but it's unclear whether or not they're actually connected to Tom Holland's universe. they can't really be because it's not the MCU universe. So because they try, when they try to do that, they fail on such a grand stage that it taints their reputation. Like Morbi is, oh, they got the Daily Bugle and oh, my God, Peter Prover and all of this, and fucking Scorpions in the movie and goddamn, all of this stuff.

When they do all of that, it draws our attention to their failures more. And then the fact that that Sinister Six movie never got made and Jamie Fox looks so fucking ridiculous. and all of that stuff that went on, I think that they probably have a worse reputation among the fans than might actually be deserved. I mean, but they have like two or three of the worst superhero movies of all time,

which is like Morbius and this back to back or bad. Morbius was a couple of years ago, or was it? That was 2022. Yeah, but you know, you're right. Like, Morbius and this, because really it's not Morbius in this. Really, it's morbidus, this, and Venom let there be carnage. And Craven is coming.

So. So Steve is 65% on Craven. I'll be interested in how Craven does because, look. You're okay, yeah. What? Go ahead, Steve. No, I don't know. Like, I really not trying to advocate too much for Venom too here.

But, like, we came out of that movie having a fun time. Ooh. It wasn't a good movie. It wasn't good. No. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun.

It was fun to see that, but it is not a good. Yes. It's not good. Which is a big difference than Madam Webb. We did not have a good time watching Madam Brown. I had a good time. I was laughing. I didn't have a bad time.

I had a blast. The movie is so, the movie is so dumb, guys. Why did they get up on those tables? Like, what are we doing? How great must of those guys that that diner must have felt just to be like, wow, they're just walking right up to us and talking to us for no reason.

Walking right up to them. They got Sidney Sweeney dancing on tables. All of a sudden, they turned into Lindsay Lowhan, circa 2007. It's just the whole thing is odd. Also, the Beyonce mural was so funny. That was like, dog. That was great. I'm just like, I get it is 2003. The Martha Stewart joke was nuts. That actually was great.

So saddened about the Stewart. Nobody in the movie. Nobody in theater left. We were just like, oh, yeah, that was happening then. So let me ask you, let me ask, let me ask, ask you a question. Seriously. I mean to get seriously, to get serious here.

How does something like this happen? Oh, I absolutely. Like, I could clock it. Give it to me. Give it to me. I think this is one of those ideas that they pitch where they're like, all right, we want to make a slasher film, but we want to do it in the Spider-Man universe.

And people are like, okay, that's cool. They're like, we're going to get four hot young actresses Sydney, sweetie, Dakota Johnson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Spider-Man villain is going to be the villain. Whatever. I think you get halfway down the field, people start seeing shit, and they're just like, this isn't really a superhero film, we need more superheroes, and that's how you start getting all the jokes about Peter Parker, Daily Bugle shit.

They're like, fucking, they're in costumes, but they're only in costumes a little bit. I think this is like a thing where it's like the studio. signs off on a vision and then halfway through the process is like we need to rewrite this because Dakota Johnson herself has been like the script that I read or at least what I was pitched on was not what ended up happening. I want to read it. I want to read it. I'm not saying that you're not that that's not true. I want to read it. I want to read what what made her sign on to it. I would really be interested. I'm being like I don't know if she got a script, but she was basically saying like from when she was pitched on it to when they started filming, there were massive,

massive changes. And she hasn't even seen the film yet. So even she is like, guys, I know it's a stinker. It just this movie read to me even like structurally and story wise where I'm like, this is like three different stories that you were all trying to pitch. And I think they just had to sew it together and be like, hopefully no one notices. Because if we're being real, even the way this movie. was edited was bonkers.

Like from shot to shot, I was like, what the fuck? Was these, were these reshoots? Like this, this makes no sense. The most confounding thing, and it's even hard for me to remember it, is when there's a scene where she goes back to the diner that she had a fight with, uh, our main villain. And it's perceived as her just going back to the diner and she's having like some sort

of like confronting argument with the villain of like, you could just walk away. and all this thing. And like, he is like jutting back and forth and behind her in front of her. And like, and it doesn't feel like a dream, but then we realize that it is a dream. And it's like the most infuriating and confusing thing. That and when she has a vision in the Amazon about why her mom went to the Amazon. So funny. To find a cure for her daughters.

I can't remember it was like a neurological disease. Like a genetic disease, yeah. Like a genetic disease. And she's like, but I don't have a genetic disease. Jesus Christ. So the director of this movie is S.J. Clarkson, this is the only movie that she's ever done.

But she's done simply some of the best television shows ever. She's directed episodes of heroes, episodes of Dexter, episodes of House, episodes of Jessica Jones, or just the new black. succession anatomy of a scandal just like when you look at her television career

and the stuff that she's been able to do Made for Love is a television show that comes on, Kaleek used to watch it, it was on HBO Max and all that stuff like I never saw it before. But she directed a bunch of those. So you're looking at a very talented

director in terms of television director. The skill set is different in television. A lot of times the producers or making more of the creative decisions on a television show like that, you're in there just moving things along. But this was her first step up to the big screen,

and this movie is poorly-paced. So, I mean, we've seen in the past the MCU have, I guess, some success giving Neophyte directors their first big breaks to make movies

Or to make big movies, should I say? I'm not sure how many big movies Annibald and PJ Fleck had made before They did Captain Marvel. I think they had just done some indie films. I think that was their first major blockbuster film. Right. I'm not sure how many movies had the Russo brothers done

like big huge movies before they got Winter Soldier and all of that stuff. So it works when it works and when it doesn't work, it kind of doesn't work. Wait, can I ask you this? I was wondering, is this also something where it's like Dakota Johnson, all these people don't actually have like any nerds around who are like, I could have read the Madam Web script and be like, this is going to be trash. And like Sony is telling them they're like, yo, you see these Tom Holland films?

Look at how much they made. Spider-Verse nominated for some Oscars. And they're like, you know what? Sure, this is the Marvel Universe. and they never actually realize this isn't the MCU. Like, I'm not sure all these people don't know

that they're not in the MCU. I think that was a big thing with Dakota Johnson. All she was told was that she was doing a Marvel movie. And it, I mean, under that guise, you're going in, you go, well, the worst Marvel movie is still going to be more culturally significant and more financially successful

than some of the best films, films that might be a little bit more innovative or have other stories. So like why wouldn't you want to be a part of it? And you think there's chances that, you know, your character is integral to some larger storyline and you'll be coming back. So if you're under that impression,

then yeah, you go and she's probably signing on to this movie back when like the Tom Holland movies are like fucking making money hand over fist. And even if she never saw those movies, I'm sure her agents are like, look, Sony's cooking. and then you end up in a movie where you're just like, oh shit, I should have

listened to someone who told me this was going to be whack the minute they were like, because, guys, the end of the movie where Madam Webb is C-G-Ied floating over the other spider-women, I was so crazy. That felt like a 30-rock sketch. That was crazy.

It's so crazy. Bro, that's such a weird, that's so fucking crazy, man. damn what the fuck what are we giving this on the midnight meter let's get through it quick I think it's just my it's a one it's a one I'm gonna give it a two I'm gonna give it a two just because I my energy at least

at least it didn't suck my energy out of my body I'm giving it a two man I gotta give it a two I'm sorry guys I gotta give it a I'm giving it a one I get on one. It's not there. None of it is there. It's all bad. I think it's a two because

there are some moments that are like legitimately fascinating in a terrible, terrible way. And I think that's the most enjoyment that I could ever get out of it. But wow, it's profoundly bad. So here's some background. Jeff Snyder reported

that there were reshoots performed on this movie. And this is the reason why the reshues were performed. The movie was supposed to take place in the 90s. And if the movie would have taken place in the 90s, it would have connected to Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. Okay. And exists within that continuity.

But then there was a change, and the studio decided to have this be Tom Holland's version. Then they had to redo. everything. A timeline change adjusted to do the character's age. It had to be set in 2003. And then it was also potential for the different Spider-Women characters to be in costume for one scene. And then there would have been younger versions of Mary and Ben Parker and all that. But there were those things. But this was actually supposed to be a film that was for Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. Now, tell you why I bring this up and why I think this

is interesting. All right. Two things. First question is, A, is this a better movie if it connects death directly to Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man? Do you want Andrew Garfield, like, showing up in this movie? You don't need them showing up in the movie, but is the movie a more streamlined, easier story to tell if you set it in the 90s and we know where we're going as far as

it relates to Spider-Man? One, two is this. Answer both of them. Throw them both out there. I'll mute up. Two is this. How many times and how much recently are we going to see the commerce and the studio machinations and the rights and all of these things interrupt the basic storytelling

like of a superhero movie? Are we to a point right now where the basic storytelling of superhero movies continuously is taking the backseat fandoms of period to decisions about toys, decisions about the future, like, has the individual story that needs to be told been completely put on the back burner for all of this other stuff?

Answer both questions now. I think in the... Oh, sorry. No, you go to see. I think in the right hands, there's a good balance. I think the peak aspects of Marvel when they were operating in their heyday had

all of those things in tow while also paying a lot of good attention to the things that made films and storytelling good. I think the worst aspects of that is what happens when we get a Madam Webb because I can't remember

what content creator had mentioned this, but like it's basically when you have like either executives or bottom line people who don't even really care about movies, much less comic books, dictate how things should be made

and done and changed and changed again to the degree that you don't even know what you've got at the end of it all. And it's now become a mess. So that's my answer to it. I mean, if I'm going to be real, though, like, let's keep it a buck. Nobody gives a fuck about Madam Webb.

Madam Webb has never had a good selling comic. Madam Webb is whack in the comic books. Ezekiel is whack. Like, you're basing all this shit off of, like, characters, nobody gives a fuck about. No, I was reading this shit. Nobody gives a fuck about this shit. Y'all, I remember watching Madam Webb in the Spider-Man cartoon from the 90s and being like, look at this old ass.

Like, what? Jesus Christ. What? I think for me, I mean, first of all, I don't know how you go from Adam Scott to Martin Sheen in that short amount of that. That's like kind of nuts. But it just, I think Paul, and Steve alluded to this, serving two masters is tough, right?

You have to serve the larger story. You also have to try it and make a good movie. It can be difficult, but we've seen it work. We've seen it work for a long time, right, in the MCU. For a minute where we were getting a good movie, after a solid movie, and then a great movie, then another good movie, you know? And so what it basically comes down to,

is they don't have the same chops, the same reps that the MCU does. And so Sony trying to make this kind of half-connected, kind of slap dick together universe, it's just not working when you can't use your main guy, right? It's like you take the best, you take Patch of Mahomes off the Chiefs.

They're just some dudes running around, right? Like, without Spider-Man, without actively having Spider-Man in the universe, it's not it's not cooking that's that's the bottom line either bring smarter man back or find a way to get him involved or we're just walking around with oh cool rachid rice got to make a play mccole hardman got to go and play you got to play you got to daryas tony bruh like that's like this is this is basically like hey go out cadarious tony make make a play go get us a win right when we got to go see madam web it's the same thing it's

just nonsensical yeah they got to figure it out they got to figure out uh Like, what's going on, how you do it, when you do it. I thought that No Way Home was an opportunity for them to get a little bit more Spider-Man-y. Do some interesting stuff. Do some new stuff. Because essentially, what that movie did was free them from needing Tom Holland. You know what I mean? True.

That movie birthed or not birth, it reignited the interest in the two previous versions of Spider-Man. And because it did that, that means if Tom Holland is too directly connected to the MCU, which the character is, look, the character now is so directly connected to the MCU that any standalone movie, mission, adventure that Spider-Man Tom Holland goes on, we're going to wonder how it affects everything else that's going on in the MCU. We're going to ask those questions. It's a part of it, right? the rest of these guys aren't.

And so for me, I thought that maybe that might give them an opportunity to say, okay, cool, we'll let him exist in the MCU, we'll bring Andrew Garfield back, we'll do something with Toro McGuire, or we'll recast Spider-Man for this and do it different, I don't know, I don't know, but it's clear that also they don't know

what they want to do. That's why they're giving us Spider-Man adjacent shit. The Spider-Man scrubs. And hoping that the lore is so strong that will continue to

like fucking love it up. It's like making a Lucius Fox movie. Nah. I mean, I guess it could be nuts. Duh. That'd be nuts. Could a Lucius Fox movie be good? What?

See, Steve, you, you, you, no. No, anything could be good. anything could be good. I mean, look, you could make a good Lucius Fox movies. You could make a good amount of what? What?

But it has to be out of what? What is he doing? What is he doing? What is Lucius Fox movie? Give me the bitch. What's the good Lucius Fox movie? It's like a good Lucius Fox movie.

Okay. I don't know. It's a corporate espionage movie about like buying out like technology and it's a I don't know. That's what. That's what.

I'm not in the fucking business. That's the same. Okay. Okay, okay, this is the movie. This is the Lucius Fox movie. Okay. Is Morgan Freeman in there? Well, I mean, yeah, Morgan's getting up there, but this is a Lucius Fox movie.

Okay, so there's a huge, huge, huge product about to be revealed or a huge thing, huge merger, some big huge Wayne things about you need Bruce Wayne there. Bruce Wayne is, you need, you have to have Bruce Wayne. How old is Bruce at this point? It doesn't fucking matter. What are you doing here? You're fucking up the pitch. We all, okay, Netflix, get this out. we're done.

Steve ruined a whole movie. I don't even pitch ready. I thought I was Netflix. I thought I'm the... Damn, Steve. Okay. Oh, actually, no, you are. Okay, maybe you can be Netflix.

Oh, no, it's Warner Brothers. We got to do Warner Brothers. Of course, yes. I am Zazlov. All right. Yeah. I'm thinking about tax breaks. Yeah, yeah.

You are Zazloff, right? And by the way, when I pitch you my shit, make my movie, nigga, don't fuck over it. So it's set in a huge moment of corporate importance for Wayne Enterprises. Hey, what happens? And so Bruce Wayne is the Tim Cook of this situation. It's not Lucius Fox.

Bruce Wayne is going to be your Tim Cook to come out and do this big product launch and announce this big huge merger. Only, aha, one day before this, maybe two days before this, Bruce Wayne is kidnapped. Batman is kidnapped by Mr. Freeze, fucking Poison Ivy, whomever, whoever. Lucius Fox knows that Batman is not available to do this because he's kidnapped. So he's doing two things at the same. time. He's mobilizing different people to try to go rescue Batman, who is under the control of

this group who's actually been able to get to him. He's talking to different people, maybe Robin, maybe this putrid bat family and all of these people. He's trying to help them. At the same time, he is juggling trying to get this launch and this business thing done at the same time, because he has to go out there and do it. It's a rescue mission to save the Batman, using other people in the bad world, you probably couldn't use Robin. That's too on the nose. Maybe you use somebody else. He's trying to help him. They're trying to use his

foxes losing all the technology. He's initiating a new bat type person and giving them stuff they'd have to use to go find him. He's hoping to get them back to do it at the same time that all of this stuff is going to ruin rain enterprises. But Lucius is now having to run point, not only

to save Batman, but also to save the company. Boom. I have a question. As much with the one of the the producers at Warner. So this is a got a movie about Batman and about Robin with no Batman and no Robin. Well, no, no, no, no. That's not what it is. Okay?

You're thinking short-sighted, which is why your studio is in so much trouble right now. It's not what it is. It's very sure. The movie is not about Batman. Okay. The movie is about the people that Batman needs. The movie isn't about Batman. Who does Batman need?

Who does Batman need? we've seen who Batman needs I thought that this was the podcast where Batman always has prep time so why is he getting kidnapped and he's saving by Lucius fucking Fox Okay can't be honest with you The nigger got his back broke

So obviously it's some stuff that you can't prepare For you can't prep for that So obviously Obviously So you're telling me Out of all the Bat family It's going to take Lucius Fox to do this shit Well Lucius Fox is the

Lucius Fox is the one who is, like, in this particular situation right now, in the situation of having to deal with what's going on at Wayne and getting Batman back. Because they've been in some Pataco trying to get this product, launch, this merger, this whole thing done. I could make this good. Honestly, I got a Lucius Fox pitch. If we're all doing our, like, I'll keep a second.

Give me the Lucius Foxx piece. Courtroom drama, maybe Senate. This is the black man. versus the white man. Lucius Fox versus Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne's identity gets out there

and he has to be like, dog, do I take this on the chin for Wayne for Wayne enterprises? Or do I save myself? The whole bat family is against him. Bruce Wayne is against him. He's not helping the black man.

Lucius Fox has to find it in himself to protect himself and realize, does the world need Batman? Does the world need a truth teller? That's not going to work. Like, It's like a lot.

You want this to be like a sorking drama. You want like this to be like a sorking joke? Hey, he's going to be. I'm being honest with you. I'm fucking with the Lucius Fox courtroom drama though. I'm fucking with the courtroom. The courtroom drama work. You know what?

By the way, all of these things could work. See, they should put us in charge of this shit. Like all of these things could work. Blue's Fox's Batlock. Bro, I'm telling you. All of this shit could work. Yeah, I don't want to watch it. That Pennyworth show is good.

Y'all don't like it. You watch the Pennyworth show? I watched a couple of episodes. That shit be working to me, bro. You are such a liar, bro. Stay tuned for the Pennyworth check-in. Nah, we're not doing no Pennyworth. Okay, so, I mean, look, you guys, look.

So. Well, we have to bring up one really quick thing. Go for it. Jomey called me last night, and he was just like, yo, can you keep this a secret? I'm like, what? He was like, my man, Jomey was fiending over Dakota Johnson. He said that that was generational.

Relax. Oh, no. I was like, Jomey, really? Really? I will say there was one part where she was standing up against the window and she had the jeans on and I was like, oh, it's not. Right. Okay.

Alive. Oh, it was the same scene. I was like, okay, decodulate. Not, I mean, not, I mean, I wouldn't say, you know, I'm like, oh, okay, so it's not. I was a familiar with your game. I mean, not, not, I wouldn't say it's anything that, that gets the rise out of a Southern Black man, but I wouldn't expect the jeans to fill. like that.

What? Yo. Yo. Dog. I'm sorry. Here's my thing, right? I was, there's that scene in the,

in the baby shower where I'm thinking, I'm like she's, you know, being really awkward. And I'm like, man, this screams like rom-com to me. This screams that,

that girl who was just like, she's like awkward around other girls. Like she's, yeah, you know, and then she meets a guy and they're both awkward together.

But she's, like standoffish and, you know, very serious. And he's trying to loosen her up. And then at the end of the day, she needs to open himself or she needs to open herself. She needs to open herself? What? She opened herself. Oh, come on, man.

It's regular for that. Who's opening themselves for who? You know. Oh, guys. You know, and they fall in love. And I was like, there's, that's the only thing I took away from the movie. I was like, I don't care. You can look.

If I bring Dakota Johnson to a. baby shower. And she starts talking about her dead mom and fucking infant mortality. I'm like, yo, like, wrap it up. Dakota, come on. Like, you embarrass me. Like, that scene was tough to watch. I was like, come on. Like, you just can't play along Dakota. She's like, my mother died. It's okay. She was in the Amazonian jungle where, you know, infant mortality rate is a lot higher. She sucks because that character sucks as a human being, at least the start. Because the kid brings the, you know, saves her mom, right? The kid brings the little paper and it's like,

this is for you. And instead of her, she's been like, thank you. That means the world to me. She's like, I don't know, young child.

Back, back away. It's like, I'm only a paramedic. Oh, you know, the thing that I do for a living, which has helped people.

I was out on her. When she was mean to the little kid, I was just like, yo, take the fucking picture and like say thank you. Yeah, what am I supposed to do with this? Dummy?

Put the fucking picture in your, a bag, take it home or do whatever. Like, what the kind of stupid shit? Let me ask you a question. Real quick before we go. If you guys want a reaction to the trailers, you guys can go over to the minute edition and get them, but I do want to just take the time.

The same thing that we did for Craven, I want to do it for Deadpool and Wolverine. Just real quick. Okay. What is the percentage chance that Deadpool and Wolverine will be good? Go around the room. You know, I'm trying to break in Hollywood.

I'm not fucking up my connections, nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? So. Ooh. I think we'll, I think we'll have a good movie on our hands. Give it a percentage, Steve. I would liken this if I were to have a percentage of enjoyment and subsequent drop off.

I would liken it to no way home. But we, so what's the number, Steve? What's the number, Steve? Oh, like a 75%. That that's good. So that's, so this, Deadpool and Wolverine is 75.

and Craven is 65, have some shame. I'll put it in a 60. Have some shame. For different reasons, I'll enjoy Craven. I'll say it's 50%. I'll say,

I'll give it a 50%. Here's the thing. I, I, here's my thing. Deadpool seems like it's in this weird nebulous zone where it's the thing that I loved about the first movie

was that it was so small. Like if you go back to that first movie, you're like, oh, the genius of this. is that they had so many guardrails, they had such a tight budget that they had to get really, really creative. Ryan had to understand that character,

and it had to be tight and had to move. Deadpool 2 gets a little bigger, cables in this, dominoes in this, all that shit. Now it's like the entirety of the MCU resting on its shoulders. That's not me saying it's going to be bad. That's just me saying it's like, I love Deadpool for how intimate it was

and how small it was, which sounds really weird. to say. And this movie is just like it's been a long time since we've been able to see a movie that's this big and this impactful. Pull it off. That's not me saying it won't happen.

It's just the stakes are very high. Am I being a hater? No. No. I'll tell you guys one thing though. 95% chance that this movie is good. I'm going to say 75. I'm not there with Van.

95% change. 95 is high. You guys, let me tell you something right now. If Deadpool 3 fails, we are so over. Oh, it's not failing. It's making a billion. Nah, it's not failing. It's going to make a billion. Oh, I'm not talking about that.

Deadpool 3 has got to be good, guys. That doesn't mean it's the end of anything. Everything's going to keep going. But Deadpool 3 has got to be good. It will be. I'm going 95% chance that Deadpool 3 is good and it has to be good

wait so mid-addition why aren't you all higher that's my question like I said I get real Spider-Man No Way home vibes from this I feel like it will definitely be fun it will be a crazy wild ride I feel like this is also probably

going to be like the biggest cameo corner that we will ever see in the history of superhero filmmaking I think everybody's going to be in this. And it may border on the ridiculous, but it will be like the best wildest time that is like, okay,

we're kind of done with bringing everybody back in for this. Yeah, you know, that's my slight cynism. To say that it wouldn't be fun, of course, it'll be fun. Wait, but we still have Secret War. So this isn't going to be the last cameo corner. I understand that, but I think for the, for the thing that Deadpool is looking to do, and it seems like Deadpool is looking to do a lot with like the old Foxx.

staples, that seems to be the thing that's going to be a lot. So we'll see. I think for me, it's, you got to protect yourself because you never know. You get excited about these things. Watch a trailer a thousand times. You get into theater and it's not the same. I like the Deadpool movies, but the second one was not as good as the first one. Like you said, Charles, it's like it got bigger.

So you hope, like, yeah, I like Deadpool Stick. That's why I'm pretty, I'm higher than most. But at the same time, you just don't know. You just never know. Superhero movies got us down bad. Muffogers are talking about. Like, you never know. You don't.

Shit. Nah, man. We go into the Deadpool situation. Let me tell you guys. Sit down right now. You look close. Let me tell you guys right now. Oh, you shit about Flash.

You said about Flash, brother. Shut the fuck up. Let me tell you something right now. It's like, like, Flash was what I was being told. Deadpool. I just know deep in my bones is going to be good. tell you something i'm i'm i'm claiming it you guys are fucking negative i'm claiming it we're about to get cracking we are about two weeks away from

d d d d ddd do that's right dune that's coming that's right bro i tell you right now dune walt to be one of the top ten movies of all time okay what dune two wow two want to be one of the top ten shit shop let's wrap it up there's a lot of to be one of the top ten movies of all-time fucking much. What percentage will I say right now that Dune 2 will be good? 100% will do two be better than Empire Strikes Back. No, but do you. Stand on it.

No, I never said that. I never said that it would be best. If Empire Strikes Back is like eight, Dune is going to be like nine, but I don't think it'll be better than Empire Strikes Back. It's very tough. Dune, you guys know you're excited. Why can't we be excited in you?

I'm excited. I'm excited about Dune. Charles, are you excited about Dune? No. Jesus. Did you like the first Dune? No. What?

Wait, you guys, this is going to blow your mind. A lot of people at the ringer, they're faking the funk. I've been talking to some people. They're like, they're too afraid to admit it, but they like, I was really fucking with the first dude. Who? I'm not, I'm not snitching on my motherfuck. I'm not using government names on the pop.

How about this? This is what we'll do. I invite anybody from the Ringer podcast network who wants to talk shit about the original Dune on this podcast right now. Don't talk the shit in the office over the fucking chocolate covered almonds and the gummy bears.

Don't talk that shit over on Mattel. Talk that shit here on the Midnight Boys. You don't like Dune? You're not fucking with Dune? The first movie is half a movie. ends in a world. Where's the fucking rest of me? That's not true.

That's fundamentally not true. Yes, he is. How? The movie is. What to do? Well, because this is why I know, Van, Vance making the funk. Because when fucking Spider-Verse came out,

he's like, this isn't, where's the rest of the movie? Why do you end it like this? Same shit happened to fucking Dune. Nah, it's not the same. It's definitely the same. Not the same. Say something right now.

D-U-N-E. Don't. Cross that out. D-O-O-O-N. Come on in and talk to your friend Van La Fenn about D-O-N. Come here. Everybody come talk to me right now about Dune. I'm fucking niggas up behind Dune.

How about that? Like, you might say something negative about Dune, and I might hit you with that. We should do a Dune re-watch. Like, let's do a Dune re-watch. I'm, like, I'm going to watch it with fresh eyes. Charles. Charles.

You have to come to the house. though. I'm not doing it. Come to the house. All midnight, boys. Let's do it, do and rewatch. Everybody watches. And by the way, I'll let y'all fucking watch Dune on the Vision Pro. Watch Dune on the Vision Pro. I just watched it. I watch Br, bro, I watch Avatar Way of Water on the Vision Pro. Jesus Christ, bro. That shit is crazy. I want

to reach my hand into the Vision Pro and choke that little motherfucker out. Spider? Spider. Spider? I wanted to reach my hand. I was trying to grab them inside the Vision Pro. Is it true? You can't watch porn on the Vision Pro? Now you can watch it. Really? Wait!

This one is asking. That's great A journalism. Yeah, you're reporting from the front lines. Think about it. He would take a second. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you got it.

You're like, y'all. You're like, you're like, motherfuckers watch porn. Why y'all getting so weird about it? No, you could, you can watch it. I mean, they've got browsers. I mean, you can watch it. That's why we're laughing.

What are you talking about? It's a crazy question. No, he's just the absolute is like, oh no. It's a, it's just, it's, it's just, a computer. It's just a computer on your face. Actually, can I say something about the Vision Pro real quick? I'm interested for you guys to like get into

Vigas. Niggas fucked over me with the Vision Pro. Let's, okay. So, so let me tell you. Oh, wait a second. I love my Vision Pro. I love my Vision Pro. I do. I'm an avid, me and Steve are, an avid

quest user. MetaQuest at the Oculus, right? Oh, yeah, I've used VR before. Yeah. Why are you acting like, I play VR games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I played it at your show. Come on, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm great with you. Now, the Vision Pro is not what I thought it was going to be in terms of the fact I played around on it a little bit before, but I thought it was like a early version of it. The Vision Pro is really to have your computer

on your face. Yeah. And I don't see how I'm going to be able to like, like, like, ever I play like a boxing game on the Vision Pro or to do some of the other stuff I do I, you know, Zuckerberg made a whole thing talking about this. It's like really different. It works really good. You feel like Iron Man. You're doing the whole thing. You can stay inside of the Vision Pro for hours.

It might get a little bit of a headache when you come out of it. But like, it's really cool. But, you know, it's like there's a guest mode on it and stuff. But giving somebody your Vision Pro, like I can give you right now my quest and you could play my games and do my whole

shit in his gravy. Given somebody your Vision Pro is essentially like giving somebody your iPhone. Your text messages, your fucking emails, all your shit. Like, it's like, it's like your computer, which is, it's not a gaming system. It's not, it's like totally

different. It's your personal device. Yeah. Wait, why would I want my computer on my face, though? It's just fun. Have you gone on walks with it? Have you like been taking calls and like doing I've been outside? You've been outside? I do.

Have you been outside? Have you walked outside with it? You know what I'm going to do for y'all? I'm a FaceTime. I wish I could do it right now. I'm going to FaceTime, y'all, from my Vision Pro. What? With my avatar.

I'm going to show you on my Avatar real quick. This is how I look on Vision Pro. Jeez. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, everybody. I'm going to send it. I wish I could send it to the chat. Like, this is, I want everybody. You have to put it up for the people.

This is my avatar on Vision Pro. I'm going to send it to the Midnight Boy's chat. Look at me. You're just like some dumb cartoon thing. This is what it looks like. When you're talking to me on the Vision Pro, this is what it looks like. All right. Everybody looked at your text messages.

Okay. What you said. Nah, bro. No, man. Da! No. No. Dog.

That looks like, no, that's too much. That looks like you need to put like an RIP. at the bottom at that you know, bro. That's how it looks. That's how it looks when you're talking to me on the vision. Honestly, you look like a bad at the end of the fucking movie.

When I FaceTime you from that shit, that's what people see. People are so freaked out. So, man, you saw this and you're like, okay, we're going to Turkey right now.

We're booking the flight. Jeez. You try to get your little jokes off, Nick? Okay, Steve. Damn. Okay, Steve? Damn.

Jesus, Chris. Okay, Steve. When I hit you with a crazy one, now I'm just joking. Now, you're actually right. Because, like, the Vision Pro is very unforgiving for a nigga hairline. But that's what I look like in the Vision Pro.

And, like, it's so funny calling my mom with it. As soon as my mom picks up, she just hangs the phone right up. I'm not talking to a digital demon of my son. And she'll hit me like, don't fucking call me with that thing. Wait, why don't you get your mom with Vision Pro? I will get her one. She actually doesn't like stuff. Like, she doesn't like all that stuff.

She doesn't like that type of stuff. I told Kalika, I would get her one. And the whole nine, like, it's, I told her I would get her one. And then she could be in the whole thing. She's like, why would I want to do that? It's like, why would I want to be in another world? Are you telling Apple that black women aren't fucking with the vision, bro? Caliga don't like it.

My mom don't like it. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But I love it. I love it. It is different than what I thought it was going to be. But watching movies in it. Br, the NBA, last thing I'll say, like watching the NBA in it.

Like, I'm watching the Vision Pro and I'm watching the NBA, right? I'm looking at the NBA. Man, I'm pulling the stats. I got the multivision going. I'm flipping from game to game. I got the whole thing. Everybody's up to the minute stats on that bitch. I can look at them and tap and do their name and go to their phone.

It's dope. It's fun. It's fun. Fuck it. This is the tech talk with the midnight boys. Yeah, shut up, dude. I was just talking about different. things. We just, we just, I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm, Madam Webb got me all surly.

Madam Webb suck guys. It was really, it was bad. It was bad. It was very bad. Wait, how many people were in your, in your guys showing? Hmm. It was all right. Kind of like. It's kind of like, really. Six and a lot of capacity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was like, Joe three motherfuckers. Because I, I, I was like, I was like, do they think I'm like a gooner? Do they think I'm like just going on Valentine's Day being in here alone be like, yo, Madam Way. I was like, hopefully there's some other people here.

Charles is goon maxing. Yeah, I was worried. What's a, what's a goon? Guys, we have to stop. What's a goon? This is Gen Z slang that we don't need to, okay. We have to stop.

Look it up. Van is old. No, no, no. Gooter used to have a goon used to have a good meaning and it was an upstanding citizen. A gooner is somebody who watches porn all day long and strokes it for hours while

you guys there was no name for this back in my way yeah thank you so much I'm just saying like if you all right you gotta go but I don't see any see this is what's wrong with y'all generation

like y'all have to make everything bad this seems like a relaxation to me anyway I was going That's a wrap. Follows on socials, Instagram, socials, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job.

A Monday, button match returns to draft the greatest final fantasy party on Wednesday. On the House of R, feed, Mal, and Joe will be diving deep into the Bad Batch premiere. Credits, our producer is Steve Dargit,

almond. Jomi, adornis on socials, hashtag goon master. No. Yo! No, no, no. No, no.

Wait, why, why, wait, keep that in. Keep that, right, no, keep that shit in. No. Keep that shit in. No. That she is.

No. Hey, hey, hey, you guys, Jomey's new nickname is Gooney J. The Goon Master

Goody J. You're getting blocked. You get blocked. Everybody on there. Hey, everybody on there right now. Facebook, Reddit,

everywhere. You're getting blocked. It, Jomey. I'm calling him Gooney J. Bad Hammer. I'm sorry. I'm not playing that. The Goonie Googles.

Nah. I can't like that slide. Can't like that slide. Oh. Additional production from or Juno Rom Capul. Charles, take us out. Madam Webb sucked.

Dakota Johnson, you're still my queen. And if Uncle Ben, don't get your ass shot up in Queens. Boom! Oh, because he did get shot. This would probably be Toby McGuire's Peter Parker then. What are you talking about?

What? If it's 2000, oh, no, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I got my time. I got my shit wrong. I got my shit wrong. Steve, listen. Okay.

We need you to talk about something. If you're going to interject on behalf of the white community, you can't embarrass yourself like that. Trying to correct a black man on his math is wild. Isn't that crazy? It's wild. And maybe in February 2? If you're going to interject on behalf of the white community with math,

see, this is what the thing about white people. White people run around all day like they run everything. Oh my God, we invented the airplane, all different types of shit like that. Wait, that's what white people are saying? Yes. We do say that a lot. We say that apart. Oh, my God.

Like, oh, who you got? Like, you wouldn't even be on Delta Airlines if it wasn't for the right brothers. Oh, fuck you. And then when you interject, you get the fucking shit wrong. Bro, what's up with you? All the goodwill you just got from knowing Jim Crow is gone. Because I got that part? Oh, fuck with you.