The Ringer-Verse - Midnight Family Court: The Fight for Batman | Midnight Boys

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

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Annette Benning, and Ed Harris now streaming on Paramount Plus. This is the case of Reeves versus Gunn for the custody of the Cape Crusader, also known as Bruce Wayne, also known as winged justice, also known as the Dark Night, also known as Batman. Representing Reeves will be attorney Steve and Charles. Representing gun will be Van and Jomey will begin with opening arguments. Is the gun team ready to present? We are?

Continue. Your Honor, opposing counsel, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we all know why we gather here today. And that is to discuss if the character of Batman should be in the hands of Matt Reeves or James Gunn. Our opposing counsel would try to convince you that the House of Matt Reeves is the best place for Batman, and that will not be the case. A house is hollow, filled with empty space and unfilled purpose. A house is bland, without character and without promise. A house without the full guarantee of a loving, caring, and supportive family inside of it is useless.

And that will be the future of Batman if left in the hands of it. of Matt Reeves. My co-counsel and I will use facts, evidence, and testimony to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the best spot for Batman's future is with James Gunn, because the undeniable and simple truth is this. Matt Reeves would like to give Batman a house. James Gunn would give Batman a home. Thank you. I yield my time. Thank you very much, counsel. Is the opposing counsel ready to present. We are, Judge. Your Honor, distinguished colleagues opposing counsel, stand before you today to argue the rightful custody, the Batman franchise, to remain in the capable hands of one Mr. Matt Reeves. This is not merely a matter of creative preference,

but a case preserving the integrity, legacy, and future of the most iconic characters in all of comic books and fiction itself. This is because one buys a new home, simply doesn't make it a home. Woo! James Gunn may have the purse strings, but he certainly doesn't have the emotional heartstrings. Today we're going to be presenting evidence

and clear, creative precedent that Matt Reeves has retained and shall retain throughout his tenure to finish the story that he began, as well as proving beyond a shadow of the doubt, that he is the true and rightful guardian of this orphaned young boy.

I yield my time. God damn, oh yes, Steve. All right, well, we'll begin with some questions for both of these, both of these groups of attorneys. Now, for the gun team, it's great to see you guys. You know, I know that we spend a lot of time in bars together outside of court. Like all good lawyers and judges should.

For Jomey, I would just note that this is a bench trial and not a jury trial. So you're playing to the audience. you're only playing to an audience of one. Wow. Interesting. It's not what it says in the doc, but he's okay. Well,

I guess my question is to you, Ban. Yeah. Should Batman belong to any one person? Is it not a big enough tent that we can have multiple expressions of this character? And why would we be doing this trial

in the first place when it seems like we can support multiple jokers, we can support multiple takes on many characters? Should Batman not be? be public domain? It's a good question. It's at the core of our argument

is the question. So Batman exists in many different iterations, and his existence, the character's existence in those iterations, is core to the telling. You need an animated Batman.

You need Batman in the comic books. You need multiple different storylines of Batman in the comic books. But I'll say this. for the medium of film itself, you need one presiding and prevailing vision of the character. The reason why I would say this is because President shows us that if you have too many different iterations of Batman, if you have too many different versions of the character on film, I'm not talking about television, talking about on film, it confuses the audience and it muddles what I believe is some of the greatest comic book lore

than any character has ever had. So while you're right in terms of what we can have as a big tent for Batman, I'm talking about specifically here on film whose creative vision should shepherd the character now and going forward. Charles, I note with interest that James Gunn is not only a director on his own right, but is the president of the DC Cinematic Universe for DC Films. If he's the president, shouldn't he just get to decide what happened? with the characters in the DC universe? Your Honor, I'm glad you asked that.

When we talk about Mr. Gunn, this is the type of greed that they talk about in the Bible, you know, at this point, his home is a chaotic one, if we can say the least. My client, Mr. Reeves, with the Batman, has made $700 million at the box office. Penguin has won multiple Emmys. And at this point, when we look at James Gunn's

track record with the suicide squad peacemaker and creature commandos, I do think that it would not be in the child's best interest, you know, Batman Jr. To go to a home that honestly is not ready to really give him what he needs. James Gunn has a full plate with Superman, Supergirl, Lanters, creature commandos. And honestly, at this point, I'm very afraid for the child's well-being and think that if we're being totally honest, this is just Mr. Gunn's way to consolidate power when he really hasn't had

many hits at the D.C. stable. Yeah. Thank you, Your Honor. Jomey, he paints an interesting picture of a despotic ruler looking to consolidate intellectual property under one one creative vision. What do you say to that?

So, I mean, it's just completely irresponsible the worries that are coming out of Mr. Hall. home's mouth at this moment. First and foremost, DCU, just getting started, right? The first movie hasn't been released, frankly.

Creature Commandos. Creature Commandos hasn't been released. Movie. I need, I just want to just, if you have an objection, you can make an objection, Charles. But I will not let this court fall into the same kind of chaos that the DCEU has fallen into. That's why we're here today to figure out who is going.

to be running this franchise. And I won't have it. I won't have it. I won't have it. Thank you. In a world of chaos, this will be order in this court. Jomi, continue. Again, the first movie of the DCU hasn't even come out yet.

And frankly, people enjoyed peacemaker. People enjoyed creature commandos. So to your point of where all, it's a mess, you just made that up. That's coming out of air. Okay. James Gunn has a solid track record, which we will prove. in this trial that makes him the best place for Batman's future. Steve, I'm reminded of something that Jesse Eisenberg said while playing Mark Zuckerberg

in the social network. If you were the inventor of Facebook, you would have invented Facebook. If Matt Reeves wanted to continue his guidance, his authorship, frankly, of the Batman cinematic character, shouldn't he have gotten into production on a second film, a little little earlier? Well, this is actually a very good and interesting point. Knowing that Mr. Gunn is actually in charge of the DCEU, he's actually given every resource that he could possibly imagine to theoretically help Mr. Reeves, usher on that custody, if we would imagine. But in fact, if we look at his threads account, who seemingly is keeping that platform alive for some reason,

we don't really know why he hasn't given the resources to Mr. Reeves. He seems to be undermining him at every turn while he simply wants to pave the way for his own vision. While I'm sure that that vision includes some adorable talking CGI dolphin that will then be killed and teach Mr. Wayne, you know, the power of friendship, that's not exactly what Mr. Reeves has in mind for this character. And that is, in turn, the actual best interest of that. So if he, Mr. Gunn, were the actual, you know, custodium of DC, he would allow this custody to, continue. Excuse me.

This brings in to play my first piece of evidence. Please. Okay. The court will acknowledge it as Exhibit A. A, Exhibit A. The matter that opposing counsel has brought up places the delays, the ridiculous delays of the Batman sequel squarely in the court of James Gunn. However, according to Matt Reeves,

That's not the reason for the delay. As he spoke to the Hollywood reporter, when he was asked for reasons for the delay, his words were, because we're still finishing the script. There's so many things going on. Next year is very much about getting into production and getting the movie going,

and we're very excited about it. Follow up to 2022s, the Batman, was originally scheduled to arrive in October 2025. That is this year was then pushed back to October 26. The new delay confirmed the film is taking two years longer

than expected to hit theaters. You will get the next installment of Matt Reeves' The Batman in 2027. Now, man, I have a quick question. Is James Gunn, the one writing the script? No. Oh, interesting.

That script is being written by Matt Reeves' team. I will tell you that the James Gunn has dealt with franchises like this before. Gardens of the Galaxy 1 came out in 2014. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 came out in 2017. The Suicide Squad movie came out in 2021. Guardians 3 came out in 2020. Interesting.

What delayed Guardians of the Galaxy 3, I wonder? Was it another social media account run by Mr. James Gunn? Excuse me. Was it another reason? Your honor. We must have order. We're not litigating social media platforms here. were litigating Batman.

Like, it was a witch hunt, right? Matt Reeves is saying it's going to take five years between Batman's sequels. Five years. The only other time it took that long to get a new on-screen Batman is Batman and Robin,

and that was because the last movie was trash. I'll tell you right now, if you're looking for a father and a father figure to custodian, to grow, to have this child of Batman, grow and thrive.

How can you have someone that abandons him for five years his entire adolescence? I'm done. Mr. Holmes. Any response to this? I would. According to Mr. Gunn, he said, quote,

people have become beholden to release dates to getting movies made no matter what. I'm a writer at my heart, and we're not going to be making movies before the screenplay is finished. that is what Mr. Gunn himself has said. Now, in my opinion, the Batman is the only movie that has worked over in that stable for years. James Gunn himself so far is very unproven.

If he himself is saying that we cannot get these movies on screen until the screenplays are ready, you've got to talk to the president. All right? because if we're being real with Mr. Reeves, he's the only, he's the only parent here that is making our company any money, A, and then B, I got a lot of Emmys

in my closet from a little show called the Penguin that shows when you let Mr. Reeves cook, when you let Mr. Reeves cook. Mr. Holmes, just out of curiosity, I believe you're on the record, as being somewhat dubious of the penguin's critical success.

Unfortunately, that is my twin brother who is a podcaster. My job is as a lawyer defending the rights of young children in Gotham who need it. I honestly have never even been on a podcast. Objection, that's a lie.

We'll come back to Mr. Holmes and the precarious position that he finds himself, in defending this later. I just wanted to put that objection on record. Well, before, and my last question, and if I'm remembering correctly, I remember a Mr. Lathen for years

claiming that the Batman was no good. The Batman was trash. And numerous times within the last year, not only saying that it is a great superhero movie, but saying that the Penguin is one of the greatest comic book TV shows of all time. So I find it very unusual. that Mr. Lathen would then try to take my client

and put him in the home of James Gunn, who has not made one of the greatest comic book TV shows of all time. Am I allowed to respond? You are, sir. So the quality of the projects is not what we're litigating here. The quality of the projects is not what we're talking about. We're talking about what place suits the Batman best. The Penguin is fantastic.

The Batman, while it was an annoying, experience in theaters has grown on me. However, what I would tell you is that when you're dealing with comic book audiences and a character that needs an iteration on screen, the dedication to that character and the time that the audience has to wait, it's very paramount. Now, even if we look at Nolan's Batman, we're looking at three years apart between movies, able to maintain the force and the momentum of that character to audience. to a point where they don't forget about him. In a time that we live in right now

where people are so quick, short attention span, five years is too long, but there's got to be messing around with the Batman. I believe that James Gunn can deliver quality product. I believe that the Batman can have a cultural presence inside of the DCEU. That means that audiences aren't forgetting and that audiences aren't losing patience

with the character while he's gone. attorney allman how much how much should i be considering this this honestly unacceptable delay in bringing the batman sequel to to audiences well uh you would argue that quality isn't under litigation here but i would argue that it absolutely is it's the reason that that quality is so ten amount paramount to why this is so important for this character The reason that these delays are occurring is so that we can deliver the absolute best product that the character deserves. Not something that's crunched out and churned out on some arbitrary deadline to make sure that people don't forget that Batman exists. God forbid, I don't think that we can have enough of that.

I'm pretty sure that the ways that Gunn and his team can operate, while sure, can be effective, but we have a quality and distinct track record of excellence over here with Mr. Reeves. While he takes his own time, it doesn't exactly respond to arbitrary deadlines set on by the studio system that is frankly in dire need of the success of the Batman to happen again. I think that the best interests of the character are served when that time is taken. Your Honor, if I may. Yes. We keep saying quality is not under litigation.

and yet it keeps getting brought up by the Reeves team. And I just want everybody to remember who it is we're talking about. James Gunn, the director of the three Guardian films, the suicide squad, peacemaker, and the Superman that's going to come out. These are projects that all of us are on record saying we enjoy. every single one of us. Not every single one of us. Objection, Your Honor, objection. Not every single one of us.

Oh, so you're going to tell me, sit here and tell me, Guardians 1, Guardians 3, didn't move you at all, not a fan. Definitely not Guardians 2. Not great. Beeching of Guardians 2 from the record. Not great. Creature Commandos and nobody watched it.

Well, I would just say, by that token, if we're talking about specifically with Counsel Holmes here, also you would say that the Penguin is not great. You said that the penguin was Sopranos cosplay. Also, didn't finish the series, if I recall correctly. To be fair, that was his twin brother. Twin brother.

Well, no. I'm a lawyer. That's a lot. I'm defending children who you are trying to place in a chaotic home of disarray. And if we honestly want to go into some of the reasons that Guardians of Galaxy 3 was delayed about some of the things that Mr. Gunn was saying about children, hmm. Go for it. Which one? Gentlemen, I think we're getting a little bit caught up here.

about things that we don't know. We don't know the quality of the second Batman from Matt Reeves. We don't know what Gunn would do yet. But one thing we do know is that Matt Reeves is singularly focused on the Batman, whereas James Gunn has responsibilities to build the Batman into a larger DC cinematic universe. Mr. Lathen, is there been too much fatigue with cinematic universes? Are we asking people to pay attention to too many different storylines? Should we just give people the Batman and let them enjoy that

and not have to have him fit into James Gunn's larger DC story? This is what I would say about that. The results to that are unclear. I could point to a movie, two movies, that stood out on their own without any other lore to anchor those movies. That would be Joker and Joker Folly Adieu. Now, while the first movie was critically acclaimed and enjoyed by a great many people. A powerful portrait of male loneliness.

A powerful portrait of in-cell behavior. The second movie was actually weighed down by the fact that it had no deeper connection to any of the lore that it was representing. The second movie, in my opinion, was actually weighed down by the fact that there wasn't some, something bigger to it. It's also poorly made, very disrespectful to the audience. I'll grant you that. But I would say that right now,

the appetites that people have are to see Batman existing in Batman and his Batmanness, but they're also to see worlds that exist beyond anyone character. Now, once again, this is not that big of a deal if you can count on different aspects

of the Batman being true to the character, which is why I would like to enter into evidence something else. This picture... Exhibit B. Exhibit B of Barry Keoghielgan as Joker. Now look, I'm going to make a point here.

The portrayal of Batman on screen, competent portrayals of Batman on screen have always been tied to competent portrayals of Joker on screen. You have Nicholson in the Burton Batman's. You have Ledger in the Nolan Batman's. And then it gets a little shaky. It gets a little shaky after that when Jared Lido comes in

and doesn't ground the character in the way that it should be grounded with his foil, his six-bit chance, his nemesis on the other side. The fact that this deleted scene of this terrible-looking Joker made it into the movie, then was taken out of the movie,

shoehorned into the Batman movie that was already over three hours for no reason tells me that there is a very vision problem that Matt Reeves might have with the character. I would argue that that scene was deleting for a reason. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. You do this all the time. Decorum, please. Okay. That the fact that this was shot, taken out, and then leaked online later, tells you that as Matt Reeves gets deeper into this character, he is going to have a problem doing it justice.

he is going to have a problem dealing with a lot of the weighty lore that Batman has to exist in. This picture of this ridiculous Joker, this guy was at the premiere, got cut out of the movie, banshees of insuring didn't even help him get in the movie. It's terrible. Look, I'm telling you right now, this is a red flag. I entered this into the record as Exhibit B. Mr. Allman, your response to the evidence that I would caution you that that does look like a ring camera photo of a cat. That does, indeed.

And I would also argue that that scene was deleted for a reason, and Matt Rees does have the artistic foresight in the edit room to know what does and does not work. It does seem to me that James Gunn doesn't necessarily have that discipline. As I'm sure Charles Holmes would agree, I think we can say that maybe James Gunn is a bit too frivolous, Lucy Goosey with the things that he allows in his movies for the sake of emotional, balance rather than the sake of a coherent coherent story co-counsel i also want to say that uh the joker

is not what's on trial here what's on trial here the question that your honor posed to us okay is whether we should have connected universes and right now superman has not even come out we do not know it's box office receipts we do not know whatever critical response will be but what we do know is what the Batman, the Penguin, and the Reeves' verse has done. And what I would say is that if you look at the home that James Gunn abandoned the MCU currently in disarray. Why? Because they're a snake eating its own tail, trying to connect everything and trying to tell weighty and important stories first. Now, I'm not arguing that at another time, James Gunn, Matt Reeves, maybe they can share this child. But currently, as it speaks today, Reeves is the only parent responsible because he is the

only person that has showed in the last five, ten years that he can get a Batman movie off the ground, people interested in it in their seats. James Gunn, not so sure about that. The only thing he's done with Batman is a little cartoon in Creature Commandos. Your Honor, have you seen Creature Commandos? I have not, sir, but I do not watch... Exactly. You're like the rest of America. Thank you. Mr. Lathin, ultimately, I'm going to have to render some kind of judgment here deciding who gets custody of the bad man,

but I would implore all counsel present. Could this not be more of a mediation? Could we not foresee a third way where James Gunn, in his capacity, overseeing the DC Cinematic Universe, works hand-in-hand with Mr. Reeves to both... celebrate his creative vision of the character while also folding him into James Gunn's vision of the larger world story building that he's telling. Listen, when there are two parents that are in a protracted custody battle. It's always better if these things don't make it to court. I think I could look at co-counsel and say, yeah, always better with these things.

I would caution you in looking at it that way because of the genesis of this problem. You see, this problem with Matt Reeves and his take on Batman didn't start with Matt Reeves. It started with its legacy to a different Batman. To the Ben Affleck Batman. Because this movie started off as a project for Jennifer Lopez's ex-husband.

And then after, they couldn't get this movie done, with him, this film, this standalone Batman, which was originally his vision. And he was going to direct. Was going to direct, was going to write, was going to start. It then ended up in Matt Reeves' possession, where Matt Reeves is now trying to reimagine what somebody else had in line for their career.

So the question then becomes, is Matt Reeves willing to give the character of Batman to the D.C. watching public? Is he willing to share the character with Superman, with Wonder Woman, with Aquaman, with Lobo, with the creature commandos, which currently has a tremendous rating from the critics? Is Matt Reeves willing to do that, or is he taking a view of the character that is grounded in the fact that this is my Batman, that I have Batman, that it's only for me? That's a question for for opposing counsel, not question for us. Well, I'm actually glad that you brought that up because I would like to enter our third piece of evidence.

Oh, absolutely. I notice all the evidence is coming from only one side of the desk here. I mean, some of us got out and did the work. Well, some of us also ask to lay it to print out a page five minutes before. Oh, that's unprepared. Passing the book. Passing the book. Let's be right that now.

Make sure we write that now. It'll be answered into the record. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Does anybody, I'm just going to ask for everybody, everybody remember of a little old film called Justice League 2017? Anybody? I remember. I do remember that film. Yes. Not a good one, if I recall correctly, right? We now have the opportunity to see a story where Batman, like you mentioned, can be in a world with Superman, with Wonder Woman, with Aquaman. And you guys want to take that away from us. frankly, this is selfish.

For the fans, for the comic book, people who have wanted to see a proper Justice League for years in live action. And y'all do not want that. Objection, Your Honor, I thought that Mr. Adeleron has been saying this entire time that this is not about quality, but it seems like you're talking about the quality of a film

that has long since past. I'm not talking about the quality of a film. What I am talking about, what I am talking about is the fact that the fans deserve to see their beloved characters interact on a stage that we have not seen well done in live action ever. Mr. Allman, are we not thinking about the fans here enough? We, of course, are thinking about the fans. And in a perfect world, we would always like to share some sort of creative vision in custody to serve a greater vision to help comic book fans. all around the world to see the things that, like Mr. Dineran said, would be amazing. I don't think that that world has fully been established yet.

And I'd like to hold off on the potential custody of surrendering that character until Mr. Gunn has proven himself capable of doing that. We're not doubting the fact that things can't be done. It's more so if those can be done in a way that we see fit. a way that you see fit. Well, I'll caution all counsel that we weighed into choppy waters when we start talking about

appealing to the fans. Because I dare say that while we're trying to decide between Reeves and Gunn here, if we went to the fans, it would likely be Zach Snyder. We would likely have Snyderall. Objection. Snyderverse. Sinnerverse. A whole situation.

Mr. Lathen. I struggle to see this noir complicated, very anxious character in the candy-colored world of James Gunn. Pete me a picture of how Batman works in a world of pop art, bubblegum, friendship, James Gunn's palette.

He works as a contrast. That Batman works as a contrast. Look, Batman works a lot better when the character has a very simple directive. I think that when we look at past iterations of Batman that didn't work, it was when there was some ambiguity about what the character represented. Batman, I think he works best when he stands as a counterbalance to that vision that you're talking about. When he stands as the other side as the demon that lurks in the night while the angels are, flying overhead with their

superpowered abilities. When you look at something like Justice League Doom, which was a very great DC animated movie, where Batman is revealed to have had contingencies for all of the Justice League.

He has a way to kill them all because he realizes that they're so powerful that somebody needs to stand on the side of humanity if they were able to go rogue. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a darkness. I'm talking about a directness, I'm talking about a statement of what it means to be the avenging angel of Gotham and where that takes you outside of Gotham. What does it mean to take that character

with that type of trauma and put them in a world that's a little bit lighter, that's a little bit more spirited, that has a little bit more color, a little bit of a deeper, historic, heroic type of meaning. What does it mean to take that guy and put them up next to all of these characters that have been around living in these places for a very, very long time, and who is at odds with not just the evil that they're at odds with, but who is at odds with their version of heroism, who's at odds with their version of goodness, who has a much more cynical, a much more brutal,

a much more direct view of what it means to be a hero. I think that actually works better when you're looking at Batman in terms of his, being, juxtaposing him to the other heroes in this big. And I might add our fourth piece of evidence. Oh, wow. It's a comment from Matt Reeves. Exhibit D.

From FX. Exhibit D. From Special Effects magazine, we might push to the edge of the fantastical, but we would never go into full fantastical. And we've seen the same Batman for 20 years. We've seen him in Gotham, but it's New York. It's even Gotham, but it's Chicago. This is an opportunity for us to see a Batman

next to Superman that we've never seen before. Next to characters that, like you mentioned, brought in the world have that dichotomy on screen that we have frankly not seen in live action ever. This is a chance to do something new and do something creative for the character. And I just feel like that's the place he should be. Steve, what did you feel about,

how do you feel about exhibit? D. Did you get all into it into the D? No, we can't comment on the show. You're going to double entendres in this court. Thank you. Can I please respond? Mr. Holmes, I was going to ask you if you had any thoughts on the matter. I have an

exhibit of my own. It's a quote and then I would like to play a video that we will put in post. But those are the E and F then. We're getting up there. Quote, James Gunn, D.C. Studios co-chief, said about the Flash

it's one of the best superhero movies I've ever seen. Objection relevance? Did an amazing job. Now, if we remember, a little character called Batman, played by Ben Affleck, was shoehorned into this bubble gum, pop art, monstrosity.

And for what reason? Now, if James Gunn is not honest enough with the fans, about what is true quality? Because I can assure you, everybody, oh, actually, Mr. Lathen was also someone who lied about the Flash and had to circle back and say that this was indeed a monstrosity. Now, I bring all of this up to say that is what happens when you take Batman and you do not give him the care and do not let him grow and instead try to shoehorn him into something that obviously is not working.

I would like another exhibit as well. Can I read, let him present his exhibit G. Sure. I would like to go to one of the most classic, for the wrong reasons, videos of Batman versus Superman,

the Martha scene. You're letting him kill Martha. What does that mean? Why did you say that name? Why did you say that day? Okay. This is also,

of what happens when you try to make Batman lift up all ships. We already have one Superman and Batman movie that did not work. And why did that happen? Because they try to rush instead of letting the character stand on his own. Okay? Let Superman, Supergirl, and all of these characters prove that they can make it on their own before we try to draft in my clients to paper over all of their inadequacy. Your Honor, can I address Mr.

Holmes directly, please? You may. Mr. Holmes, I have a quick question for you. Was James Gunn involved in either of those projects that you mentioned? The Flash and Batman versus Superman? Yes or No. Can I respond? When we when we talk about the Flash.

Simple yes or no question, Mr. Holmes. Your Honor, can I respond to his question? Was he involved in making of those films? Yes. Yes or no. D.C. when the Flash was coming out, James Gunn was named Co. Yes. And yes, he was.

Was he not the president at the time? When you go to his credits, this is his name in the credits. Yes or no. Mr. Lathen? Was he not involved? Your Honor, and there is a, he. Was he, what, whoa, was he clearly not involved. These movies were shot before he even got there.

These movies, one movie that we're talking about was set a decade before. A decade before. Gentlemen, gentlemen, we're not litigating the past. Gentlemen, we're not litigating the past for litigating. working at TMZ. 10 years before, what are you talking about? What is the shit going to have to do with any of that? Also, I want to ask you a question, Mr. Lathen, and Mr. Deneron.

Why did your client lie to the general public about the flash? Well, we were lied to. So this is what I would say. And you perpetuated that lie. I feel like everybody was lied to. Yeah. So what I would say about that is like, look, the flash is, terrible. And the flash in

of itself stands as one of the low points in superhero movies. I'll also tell you is that James Gunn had nothing to do with the Flash. And it doesn't matter how opposing counsel tries to tie him to a movie that he had nothing to do with creatively or from an executive standpoint to begin. Do you mind if I just ask a question

for the sake of clarity here? Please. If that's the case and if Mr. Gunn had nothing to do with it and despite his Hosanas for the film, it bears no responsibility for it. Yes. Yes. This crime against cinema.

Yeah. Why then is he hiring Andy Machete to direct his Batman movie to Bold and the Brave? Because the reason why this is happening, I'll be honest with you, is because Andy Machete as a director, he's very talented, very gifted.

I'm sure you guys have seen the It movies. I was watching one not too long ago. The reality is that the Flash was a failure and the DCEU, the DCEU, should I say, the DCEU, should I say, was a failure of not necessarily the individual filmmakers involved. It was a failure of the vision of one man. It's very upsetting, I have to say this,

was a failure of the vision of Zach Snyder. Zach Snyder's vision is the reason why a lot of the movies that you see in the DCEU didn't live up to what they were supposed to be. Andy Machete is a director that has bona fides, that has made films that people have little. and has a very clear vision on the Batman. Very clear vision on Batman. What I would say is James Gunn allowing him

to exist in the creative space that is more freeing and less encumbered by the Snyderverse, is James Gunn recognizing that talent and bringing him back? There are not very many good movies that exist in the Snyderverse, and that unfortunately has to do with the heavy-handed way, the heavy-handed visual tone, the heavy-handed storytelling, the heavy-handed production schedules that existed along with the Snyderverse. May I respond very quickly to Mr. Lathen?

Certainly. According to Andy Machete, quote, he said this earlier this year, I've had conversations with James Gunn about the story concept, but we haven't talked since before Superman began filming. this is in regards to his Batman film. Now, what scares me about this is that James Gunn is trying to be the father of two Batman, but he's ignoring one

to show favor to the successful, the Batman, almost a billion dollars at the box office. It seems like to me, James Gunn has too much on his plate, especially trying to helm Superman along with an entire studio. This is precisely our concern. Joe Me, Van, does James Gunn simply have enough time to steward this ship? James Gunn has definitely enough time to steward the ship. But I guess my question would be,

if you're worried about whether or not James Gunn has enough time to steward the ship, how could you not be concerned that Matt Reeves has enough time when you're not getting another sequel to the movie in five years? There's going to be kids that were freshmen in college. in high school when the Batman came out, and they're going to be sophomores in college when the sequel drops. So if you're telling me that you don't understand

how James Gunn has enough time to do it, your guy's taking five years. Your movie has been delayed twice. You know what a delay happens when a delay happens in Hollywood? You know what that is? It's death to the studio. It's death to the character, death to momentum. The movie has delayed twice.

It got delayed this year, that year, boom. It's like you four years. season three. I'm telling you, you guys. Well, that won't happen. Exactly, right? So if you're concerned with whether or not Gunn can do it, this is the only thing Matt Reeves is working on. It's like five years. Five years.

Mr. Alman, I believe we're ready for closing arguments. Yes, Mr. Holmes, you have closing arguments. Thank you. Today, you've heard a lot of arguments, but I want to take it back to the simplicity of the character. The bat, the man, the gun. Okay.

Now, my child has been through a lot. All right. His parents gunned down by Mr. Joe Chil. And I'm sorry, but I don't want Mr. Gunn to unload the blicky just because he wants to consolidate power under his umbrella. What we are really talking about is vision. I respect Mr. Gunn. He has made a lot of talented, talented movies and TV shows.

But at every single point in his career, he has always doubled down on the fact that it is important for directors to get their visions out there. He left his prior company, the MCU, because of the dysfunction of them greenlighting movies and green lighting TV shows and shoehorning in characters and plot points, that made no sense.

But the minute he becomes the co-chief of DC Studios, he's trying to do the same thing to creators. I find that a little disheartening and very dubious. We are defending Mr. Reeves right now because we believe that he is the best home for this child. He has proven that he has a vision for what he wants for this character. It has made our company a lot of money at a time. If we're being very honest, they are in dire needs of it.

He is quite literally the only superhero property. He is having the only superhero property at that company that is working. And at this point, I don't think Mr. Lathin and Mr. Adoneron have honestly given us a good enough reason and a good enough argument why we should uproot Batman Jr. just because Mr. James Gunn is the co-chief? No. He has Superman coming out, Supergirl, Creature Commandos, Peacemaker Season 2, he has a full plate. I believe that is in the best interest of not only Batman,

but the best interest of the fans and the public at large that we let artists make art. This might be Trump's America. America, but we have a hero in Gotham. And if you give it to Mr. Lathen and Mr. Adoneron, I'm very, very, very scared about what will happen. Thank you for your time. Opposing counsel.

I'd just like to say that the Batman 2020 movie was very successful. It actually made less money than Batman versus Superman Dawn of Justice. Almost $100 million less. You might want to stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Okay. Thank you, Judge Sear. Thank you to opposing counsel for your spirit of debate. Thank you to the fans out there for listening to this.

Listen, I think we would all agree that Batman in this world remain the most valued superhero property D.C. has in this movie-making history. Gotham is so rich in story and opportunity that some of the greatest filmmakers we've ever had have taken on the responsibility of shaping the narrative of Bruce Wayne. It's a very human story made of trauma, heroism, ingenuity, triumph and family. The world of Gotham is a socioeconomic morality tale that litigates every single aspect of superhero lore. The filmmaker that takes that mantle of storytelling has to create a world so rich, so powerful that it has to simply be seen by everyone.

It has to be seen when everyone wants it. has to be available. It has to be seen by the obsessed fanboys, has to be seen by the casual tag-alongs. It also has to be seen by the, what are we doing here, hyper-negative critics. I'd argue that if a filmmaker at the helm

can't craft that world, can't craft a world in Gotham that has to be seen, then he's a failure. He's unfit as a parent. Just so happens that we have a case study here, Your Honor. Opposing counsel lead, opposing counsel, admitted to an

audience of thousands of people that he didn't finish a key entry into Reins. By not watching the penguin, lead counsel Holmes. That was my twin. Has simply told you

that Reeves' world in his mind don't got the juice. as he would say. Perhaps if it were said in Tokyo, he would have watched it. Batman and his world have to be must-see TV. They must be something that you cannot miss. I'd also tell you that lead counsel Holmes finished peacemaker.

He watched all of that. Not willing to. Let me tell you not willingly. He finished peacemaker. He watched that. Not willingly. He watched Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Attorney Holmes is watching habits or not what's

up for debate here. Sure. But the watching habits of millions and millions and millions of other people are and Batman deserves a world. Batman deserves a father that people will watch. He made a choice.

I'm asking you to make a choice. I'm asking you to choose a home for Batman enveloped in love and importance where he will have a chance to grow with a father who doesn't love just filmmaking, but the art of comic book storytelling. Do something on this podcast that Batman

might not do in real life. Send him home with a gun. We rest our case. Send him home with a gun. Two ends. Passionate. You don't know Batman. Stirring oration from both

sides. And it's been the honor of my long and illustrious career here on this bench to sit before these honestly like geniuses of modern jurisprudence. Yes.

So might say. Heavy is the cloak that I wear. I find myself, on one hand, I have the soul of an artist. And I want to see Batman in the hands of a capable filmmaker who's given time, given patience,

given all the resources he needs to see his project come to fruition. If I was only judging on behalf of a child, perhaps Mr. Reeves would have an argument. But we're talking about millions of Batman fans and they need food. They need to be fed.

And five years is too long to wait. Especially when you consider how many damn comic books there are just sitting there that you could just punch into final draft and say, here's the Batman script. It really begs belief why Matt Reeves is taking this long. I almost wonder if he is using Warner Brothers Discovery

one of my most beloved tech corporations and entertainment conglomerates as an ATM for personal problems I won't allow it and that is why I must rule in favor of team gun Oh my God

Oh my son But my verdict is not final. ultimately the people must decide. So Jomey will throw onto social media the final decision. And we'll meet back here maybe in nine years, like the couple from before sunrise. And we'll talk about who was right and who was wrong.

In any case, gentlemen, it's been a privilege to watch you or eight. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, long awaited. After teasers, after rumors, after talk, a more robust Sinners trailer is upon us. Sinners is the movie that is due in a couple of months from Ryan Coogler, starring Michael B. Jordan.

Really, the movie is from Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan, who was shot down in Louisiana and looks to be a film that is about, some sort of vampire attack on some people down there in my rural home of Baton Rouge rural. Rural. I can never say that word. Rural. Rural. Rural. Rural. Rural. Rural.

Like a dog. Rule. Rule. Full trailer's out. Chuck. What did you make of it? This is one of my most anticipated movies of the year. I'm super excited. Cougler. He's one of my favorite directors, just period.

I really like the trailer. It's really effective. I think it, we had known when this came out is being teased. Like, it's a vampire movie, but it's set, it's a period piece. I think it's also for my weibness, it's a cougler has kind of hinted that a lot of the action scenes are inspired by anime. So there's a lot of things I'm excited about. I am worried, though.

I think it is a tall order for Michael B. Jordan, who I think is a phenomenal actor to play twins. That is the thing that it's like, this movie is going to be. going to hinge on whether he can pull that off. I'm very anti, same character, playing twins in a movie. Just in general? Like, there's never been a, like, to you, a never good, like, actor. No, they're fine.

They're fine. It can happen. But it is, there is a level where I'm just like, come on, I know they're not twins in a movie. I think you got, you got, uh, the Vinklevoss twins in social network. My go to is dead ringers. You have dead ringers. You have Jack and Jill. You have Jack and Jill. You also have, uh, you got, uh, you got, uh,

You have Tom Hardy. The Trap is a good one, though. You have Tom Hardy. Yeah. In the movie where he plays the Craber. Yeah. Not, not. Legend.

Not twins, but in Sonic 3, Jim Carrey plays Dr. Robotnik and his grandpa. It's really good. So the interesting thing about the trailer itself to me is that I think that the trailer deepened a little bit what our understanding of the movie was going to be in terms of, we knew that it was the premise was vampire stuff. But in some of the teasers we had seen before, it didn't seem like they were really going towards that.

They weren't hinting at that that much in the trailers, which made me think that maybe they had done a bait and switch. Now in this one, we clearly see Haley Steinfield's mouth full of blood, see other characters in the mouthful of blood. Michael B. Jordan and his brother, and this group of people in Louisiana are fighting vampiric demons for some reason in some way. And there's also the question of the music, right? There's a quote in there.

That's like music opens up a portal or like, you know, allow spirits to enter. So it's more than just vampires. I assume there are all there are other entities that could get themselves involved in this. My question, and this is my problem. I mean, I guess this is my problem with like all trailers now is that I felt like we saw too much, man. Yeah. I feel like you saw too much, you know what I mean? Like with Haley covered in blood, like I assume, you know, you always think like she's probably not going to be on the right side of.

of Mike B. Jordan, but, like, I would have liked to see that in the theater and not the trailer, right? And then, like, toward the end, he's like, I don't think that's your brother. Like, that's actually your brother in there. So I guess they end up facing off. And it's like, man, I would have got that twist in the movie versus watching it on my phone at 9 a.m. in the morning on a Tuesday. I mean, I think that there clearly is probably more going on than just that. I don't think they would.

I think Google is smart enough to not give away. I would hope so. I would hope so. I think what I like the most about this is the idea that they're still not like fully committing to the idea of capital V vampires. They're just like, all right, there might be like some sort of like accidental seance happening with the music at this party or some type of like, you know, like evil presence that's happening. And people have like that certain like 30 days of night glow in their eyes. And you don't see vampire fangs. you see these types of just like ominous looks in people's eyes that still look otherworldly but not monstrous, if that makes sense. I really like the idea of kind of playing with something that's not entirely like the verbiage of genre but still being genre, if that makes sense.

To know that these aren't actual vampires or maybe these aren't actual demons, but there's something different. There's some new type of fun twist on a sort of deborbed. demonic presence in a horror movie that I think seems pretty fun. It seems like it's got a lot of action. It's got a lot of scary things. It's got some humor. I think I shit myself. I don't know.

It seems like it's kind of got it all. I will also say this film, if I'm remembering correctly, I feel like there was a bidding war around it when like the script was going around. So to all of our points, I do think that there is some type of twist or there is some type of element that they are keeping away that a lot of people believe. is going to be like one of those horror reasons or twist reasons where you're like, no, just go see the movie.

You know what I mean? And he's already, I was reading that he's been working with like, Nolan because he's like shooting this in 65 millimeter. And like there's a lot of different things where I'm like, oh, he's trying to make a huge action movie that honestly we don't see that much, especially when it's two black men in Coogler and Michael B. Jordan really getting to do at this level.

So I'm just excited. excited to see if they can pull that type of spectacle. Well, I think the thing that it excites me about it, to your point, is that this is an original idea from an original mind. And they got it up in a timeframe that tells you everybody, to your point, believed that they had the goods. You look at the movie, you know, script is coming together. They get out there, the bidding war happens. Then by July of last year, the movie shot. I knew somebody that was on it.

He was talking about how they were working. It's finished. And then they get it to us by basically spring of 2025. That is old-fashioned traditional movie making. We have an idea. We have a director that has a juice. We have a star that has a good relationship with the director. Script is written.

Pictures are made. Studio gives the money. We don't fuck around for a year, year and a half. We're casting. It's the effect. and we get it up, and then we come and we shoot the fucking movie. And to be honest with you, when you look at all the things that they're combining in the film, the trailer looks great, it looks scary, it looks sexy, the movie is dripping with culture,

it looks like it could be a lot of fun. If I had told you guys that a vampire-killing movie directed by Black Man and starring a Black Man was coming out in April 2025, like maybe even like 12, 18 months ago, you'd have been like, oh, cool, we're finally. again that Blade movie. How nuts is it that we're getting Michael B. Jordan kill vampires before we get Maristula kill of vampires? That's actually the interesting

thing that I kind of think about this trailer. You mentioned a good point, Charles. I keep thinking about this with the Marvel spin on it because he's got Black Panther 3 after this, Ryan Coogler. And then we don't really know. I'm thinking that this is going to actually be a taste of the type of director that he's going to be

after he graduates from the MCU. This is going to be the thing that after Nolan does his dark night, then we get his interstellar, then we get his real big things that he's got on his mind. And this seems to be a little taste of like, hey, Ryan Googler might be the next biggest big thing that we have. He's already there. No, but it's the fact that like after he's out, after he's done with the MCU, then he's got pretty much everything like, but like Studio Goodwill, the efficiency that he has to make a movie like this. And all of that goodwill can just be whatever he wants. And to know that he's got

that creative vision and technical skill set, like a Nolan, I think it's incredibly promising. Also, he hasn't directed a bad movie yet. If we're being honest. I don't like something. No, he has no. He has like, yeah, Fruitvale. Fruitvale Station, Creed, both Black Panthers, this. I'm like, even if sinners isn't 100% what we want, I've, I yet have not seen a Coogler script or movie where I'm like, there wasn't a lot of thought of this. No, yeah, for sure. Black Panther, too. I was like, this was well thought. Early on in the visuals that you were getting for the movie, people were noting about

how sparse the trailers were, the teaser trailers were, how you really couldn't get a sense of story. You really couldn't get a sense of very much about the film, the narrative at all, from that. And people had complaints about that, but if what I'm hearing from you guys is what you really mean, is that you guys preferred it like that.

Do you think that that would have been enough to get people out to the theaters to go see a movie that is not based in any kind of IP? It's just Ryan and Michael doing something cool. I think word of mouth is very, very underrated nowadays. I mean, there are a ton of movies. Because there's so much not to cut you off, I apologize, but because there's so much pressure to put on the first weekend. Maybe, but like everything, everywhere all at once, a parasite. Like, those are films that I wasn't, like, looking at my theater, like, I'm going to go tap in until, like, I'm, be like, yo, you got to go watch this movie.

I go watch him like, yo, this is, this is special. This means something. But once again, not to cut you off, but just to make sure that we put it in the context, those films didn't have huge wide releases the first week will to make people, they're not as high leverage. They can slow burn. Is this movie high leverage? It'll be high leverage in that.

It'll have a mega wide release. Okay. But, I mean, it only costs $90 million to make. You know what I get it? They're going to make that back within the first month or something. so. But you're saying, like, that opening weekend means... What I'm saying is that with Parasite or Everywhere,

um, or everything everywhere all at once, those movies are films that were smaller films that got released to markets as they got more popular. So, but with this movie, the slow burn, if you said that to a studio head,

uh, you might shrivel in the nuts a little bit because they're going to be like, we don't have time for a slow burn. We're trying to get people into 3,000, years on the first weekend. And I think that this is probably the perfect evolution of a director in the Marvel pipeline to highlight his skill set in a very specific thing, like the fruit veils of the world, giving him a Black Panther, knowing that he can handle that big scale production budget,

manage all of those perfect things, do a second one, and then come in the middle of his trilogy to sort of make something that's, again, I made the mistake of calling this a small budget movie, it's not. It's obviously got a lot of money behind it, but it's the fact that it's efficiently made, quickly done, a fraction of the budget that he's used to now, and still can be even relatively good. I think that's kind of a miracle with the amount of pipeline and workflow that he's used to now. And now the fact that when he's probably going to be, like, we don't know if he's ever going to be done with Marvel, but assuming that he's not going to be making something immediately in the MCU after Black Panther 3, he'll be doing his own thing. He'll be doing his own

thing for a while, and this is kind of the perfect trajectory to be like, okay, now he is a name. We're sold, I'm at least sold on sinners without sight unseen, knowing that it's Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan again, because they've done several great movies before.

All of those people are stars. Cougler's a star in his own right, and now any movie that has his name attached, you're going to go see, regardless of whether or not it's with IP. Mike's been in every movie Cougalers directed. I'm about to say, like, it's basically like Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan. at this point.

Well, my last question for you, Jomey, would you let Haley Seinfeld turn you into a vampire? That's a great question. I'm glad you asked that. I got to be honest. No, but... You're a liar, Jomey.

I'm not really... We just took your word. No, you're lying again. I'm not really into the, you know... Like, I like garlic bread, you know what I'm saying? I can't have that if I become a vampire. It's a whole thing. What I think about it heavily,

absolutely. You know what I'm saying? It would be like the LeBron decision. You know, I'd have to like call on my family, discuss with you guys, know what I'm saying? And just like, call up cameras. Yeah, ultimately like really dive deep into it because it would be tempting. What are all the vampire weaknesses again? I mean, would it stakes? Silver. The sun? The sun is the main one. I like the sun outside. The sun is the only one that's consistent. The rest of these not really consistent.

The crosses are not consistent at all. But really, the only one that's really consistent of all of them, I guess Silver is pretty consistent. Silver's kind of consistent. When I thought Silver was werewolves, right? Silver's vampires too. Yeah. Oh, damn. Because remember, Blade.

Is that werewolves? Blade will have silver. Oh, we have the bullets. Yeah, the bullets. Yeah, the bullets. Yeah, the silver is vampires too. It's like, the only thing that's really consistent, like super consistent is the son.

Also, my one fear, this is another fear I have for the movie. If the movie, because now that we saw a little bit of Haley and we know she's a vampire, I'm like, is this a movie about the milk turning black men into vampires? That's fun. Like, is that the metaphor? That's fun. Hold on. Because, I mean, if you think about that time, if you think about that time, the best way to get,

really, actually, even now, the best way to get brothers into there where you can bite their necks, It's to send a Haley Stainfell in there. But the whole NBA would be vampires. Tough. The whole NFL. I mean, the whole NBA kind of vampires already. What I'm not. Sequan Barkley would be, yeah, they would be vans.

Everybody would be vampires. Put them in the sun. Jesus Christ. That might be why they. Bruh. Would you let me a golf turn into a vampire? Oh, yeah. I'm already there.

All right. Can't nobody turn me into a vampire, bro. Yeah, it's not really. Yeah. I got too much going on on on the human side. Too much going on. Yeah, man. Too much going on, bro.

Fuck out of here. I mean, if you're a vampire, can't come out. You put him in a suit and he's right. I got to, like, I got to wear an umbrella everywhere. Like, I like to sound like going to the beach. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like being out on a boat somewhere.

What about his eternal life and, like, you know. Nah. End up like no. I mean, but it's only at night, though. That's what I'm saying. It'll be like, no, I'm good. It's crazy. I don't know.

I can be a night person. All right. That is enough. Well, look, sinners. We're all excited. Yeah. We're going to cover it on the midnight boys. Most definitely.

Of course. There's different. Charles, we should start, what else do you want to cover? Like, throw out some non-everybody throw out one non-fandom thing they want to cover this show. All right, this is this, I think we should wait. We should do a severance episode. I agree. Hell yes.

We should do a severance episode. Yes. I agree. I don't think we should do a severance episode. I think we should do the whole show. But like, I agree. I watched it. Severance got to see the first season, bro.

You have seen the first season. Cooks. So it's like, so Severance got that juice. So Severn's got that juice. Think about it. You guys think about whether or not you want us to cover severance. everybody else is absolutely going to want us to cover it, so. Great. Okay, well, we'll cover it then. I'll give

a fuck. All right. Y'all didn't give me your, like, what's y'all's shit? Is Jurassic World Rebirth count? No. You're bad. Why? That was crazy. Scarlet Johanson. The Jurassic World kind of suck. Yeah, no, they absolutely suck.

First, okay, we had this discussion. The first one is okay. That's not true. The ride is cool. The first of Jurassic World is not bad. The last two? The last two. I didn't even see him. Also, here's the thing. I'm not beating the weep charges, but Flying Lotus, not

Flying Lotus, White Lotus is... Oh, White Lotus. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing, honestly, we should just have a spin-off episode where we're just like, we're just going to give y'all once a month. We're just going to hit a little bit of the... One for us. One for us. One for us. You know? One for us. That is a wrap.

Forgot remind us, tomorrow. Button Mash returns to talk about the new season of Mythic Quest later this week. Hows-Var gives you their pod celebrating the 15th anniversary of Xx. Samakana on Friday, Min Edition returns to talk about the Disney plus premiere of the friendly neighborhood Spider. You guys, seriously, give it up to our special guest. Yes. Thank you, Chris Ryan. Okay, seriously, didn't have to come do this.

We looked out for us. Our producers are Alea, S.O.B. Zanaris and Jonathan, the Batman, Kerma. Jomi, the explainer or dinner on, on social, additional production from Arjuna, Ramgapal. Charles, take us out. This should be interesting. Batman Family Corps is adjourned. Thank you to the midnight writers and mom. We respect CR, your honor.

But Team Reeves was Rob. Boom!