The Ringer-Verse - 'Mission: Impossible—The Final Reckoning' Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

'Mission: Impossible—The Final Reckoning' Reactions | The Midnight Boys The Boys are back and they’re diving into their thoughts on the final (?) installment of the franchise: ‘Mission: Impossible—The Final Reckoning.’ (0:00) Intro (10:00) Spoilers Ahead (11:56) Instant Reactions to 'Mission: Impossible—The Final Reckoning' (35:13) Criticisms of 'Mission: Impossible' (1:05:51) Midnight Meter (1:08:36) 'Mission: Impossible' Rankings (1:17:39) Outro (1:18:52) Post Credits Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm so excited to talk about it's possible. Forget the socialists, man. This movie needs something to need all. Let's do it. Oh, speaking of socials, I went hyper viral. Did you see that? What is hyperviral? Like 13 million views.

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Tomorrow button mash is back with their pod on the Last of Us finale. Guys, we were, people were rocking with the takes, man. People said we weren't hard enough That the seven was too lenient Yeah, that's People said we want hard enough And that the seven You did that, you did that, Joe me.

That's all me, that's all me, guys. People said we weren't hard enough And the seven was too lenient. And the seven was too lenient. They wanted a nine. It was a house-divated. A six is something that you could be very comfortable with. A six or a five.

Get a job done. Nothing, nothing, nothing to be shagged up. I heard me. Talk about Michigan. No, but there have been, it's just all dependent. on the audience. Because there are some audiences that will say

a nine is a good score, but then there are other audiences they'll say a six is something that you can go back to every day. Some people will say like, but like a six, like why would you get a six over nine?

But sometimes the six has more fun and enjoyable stuff. Exactly. Sometimes when you flip a six upside down. It's a nine. Exactly. You know what I mean?

You see what I mean? And also depends on the audience. What can the audience deal with? Exactly. Not every audience What are they ready for? Yeah. Sometimes the six

is like what you're with. You never know. I think a lot of these shows think that every show has to be a nine. And it doesn't have to be. It doesn't. It can be a six.

It can be a six and that's okay. A six gets the job. Six is above average. Mm-hmm. There you go. Also tomorrow, House of All will be giving you their spring mail bag later this week.

We'll be giving you our Ringiverse recommends for the month of May. I want to tell you guys something else. I think that I'm going on Ben Lindberg's podcast pretty soon to talk about baseball. Oh, I'm so back into baseball that I don't understand the new game. So tell you what I mean, I'm so back into baseball that I'm watching baseball.

And I'm realizing that I haven't watched enough baseball over the years to understand something like why Otani would be leading off. Because he's good. So he wasn't leading off when he got there. Muki was sitting was leading off. And then he got hurt. And so they moved Shoah up one. And then he was the MVP. like he couldn't miss.

So he stayed in that number one rule. But I was looking at your tweets. And back in a day, you would have like a guy with like some speed at one always, right? And then your best hitter, which would be show hey, would be hitting at like three or four. Right? So he can get batters in. At this point now, it's a numbers game. So you want your best hitters hitting further up the line so they get more at bats.

I got you. I could also say this, though. I watched two games where showhead. led the game off with home runs. And nobody's on base. Those are solo shots. Yeah. And at one game, the Dodgers lost because they didn't score enough runs.

If maybe you'd have had guys on, maybe he'd have got a big knock, or perhaps he wouldn't have seen good pitches because they would have walked him. So who knows? But these are things I want to talk to Ben Lindberg about. Lindy baseball. Okay. But today's show, finally, we are giving you our instant reactions to Missing Impossible. the final reckoning.

You guys, we're doing it, okay? And I don't think that you guys have any idea what you're in for from the show perspective. We're about to have Midnight Boys. I need the lower third. Civil War. And then it's just like the square up.

Civil war. This is Cap's team and that's Iron Man's team. Whoa, we are we, man. I want to be Cap. You're Iron. We're smarty and cynical. Your Iron man. I'm obviously, I am Iron Man. A bunch of motherfuckers ganging up on me for being fucking right.

You're Iron Man. Okay. Why are you booing me? I'm right. Yeah, you're Iron Man, okay? This is what's going on. So that makes you, I mean, I'm Falcon. Falcon.

You're Spider Man. That makes a lot of sense. Hey, everyone. You're Spider-Man. Hey, everyone. You're Spider-Man. You're Falcon. Why couldn't we make you make you?

you guys are the guys. You know what? You're a winter soldier. That's good. And then you could be, well, you want to still want to be Spider-Man. Who hates Spider-Man? How did that happen? How did that happen? Oh, he just outsmarted him. So in that scene, Spider-Man would dog walk the shit

out of Captain America. Yeah, but if he didn't, but if you didn't have any sense. Spider-Man would beat the dog shit out of Captain America. Yeah, but he's a kid and he doesn't understand that he can get outsmarted. What? Wait, what version of Cap are we talking about MCU? We got to get to the same. No, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'll say on this. MCU? He would beat the shit out of captain.

So here's the difference though. He never actually like fights him really. Like he hits him with the shield. But really he like uses the shield to knock up, knock down the. That makes Spider-Man. Yeah. All right. So, but for the feats that Spider-Man fucking has, he, what, had to fight a plumber with wings. All right, man. And then fucking Jake Gyllenhaal with some magic. He's fighting electricians. Like, fucking Captain America was walking down Black Panther. Like, what are we talking about? Like, if we're talking about Feets. Feets, you're so crazy.

I want to do a whole show on Feets. I want to have a feed off. All right. Not an E with an A. Either way. Either way. Oiled up feet off. Tarrantino on the pod.

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in their brain that makes them attracted to feet. Like a data shit? No way. I got, I get different stuff

in my algorithm than you guys. Clearly. There's a guys, like there's a, there's a brain part of the foot attractive guys that these guys

really go crazy over feet. Their feet crazy. It's a, it's a thing. There's a whole thing. Joe me, you keep researching that. I can't find any other.

I'll find it. Make a dissertation. Along with the Sarah the Moon videos I used to give you guys. Please don't. Please never do that. Okay. We got to start the show.

So to begin our reactions, we got to give you the spoiler running, first of all. So we're going to be spoiling everything with Mission Impossible. This is ostensibly the last Mission Impossible movie. I don't believe that. This means we could spoil basically everything from any Mission Impossible movie up to date,

the television show in the 60s, everything we can spoil. Steve runs the spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Mission Impossible. You're listening to a reaction. Action podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right. To begin our reactions, Chuck Wagon, Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, these are midnight manifest for Mission Impossible,

the final reckoning, directed by Christopher Quarry, written by Christopher McCoy and Eric Jen Treson. Sorry, if I fuck that up. We flashed forward two months from the event of Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning,

part one. Ethan is still hunting Gabriel in the entity with the evil AI and Gabriel R Usen. Ethan has to find the podcoba, a.k. a.k.a. the Rabbit's Foot from Mission Impossible 3,

which is located in the submarine. He saw a blow up a Mission of Possible Dead Reckin in Part 1. Ethan forms a team consisting of Benji, Grace, Paris, and Luther. Angela Bassett is now the president and believes that Tom Cruise is the only person who can save the world. Hi, Jigs and Sue. Luther dies because Bing Rain is old as shit. But he designs

one more stupid tech device that Tom Cruise needs to plug into another doo-hiki to destroy the entity and save the world. There's a sick submarine stunt and no check from severance is there. The movie then has a bunch of callbacks of the other films revealing that Shag Wingham is related to Jim Phelps, from the original movie Mission Impossible.

Also, William Donno is back from the first movie. He's a guy who almost walks in on Ethan during the iconic skylight team. He's not mad at Ethan, though, for getting fired because he has a full wife now. Ethan then tracks down Gabriel and there's a simple five-plane stunt

and the movie ends and that has been in the night of the final reckoning. God. Van, what did you think of this movie? Okay, so distinctly different experiences. I saw this movie twice. Right.

Two distinctly different experiences, okay, in seeing the movie. The first time I saw the movie, I found it tedious and very difficult to watch. I'll be honest with you. In a real way. The second time I saw the movie a lot less so. I liked it a lot more. I have a theory about this film as a regard to the people who don't like it, which seems to be a lot of the people who I trust here at The Ringer and other people

that I see out there who are having problems with this movie. The reason why I think I liked it more the second time is because the movie is so exposition heavy and I was so anticipating waiting for the stunts and waiting for the stuff that by the time it came in the actual first time I watched the film, I was already kind of out of it. And it reminds me of the original Mission Impossible movie in that way.

96? 96. This film is the one to me that is most like that film. Because the first time I saw that movie, I didn't really understand it. Like, I didn't get why. Remember, I saw it in theaters. There was a joke made at the Oscars

where Billy Crystal goes. I'll give you X amount of money if you can explain to me the plot of Mission Impossible because I think that when we first saw it, the knock list, who's the mole, who's the mole, Max, all of that stuff. It

wasn't that easy to kind of get through. It was kind of hard to wrap your mind around. And in this movie, I kind of felt the same way. The second time I saw it, I was like, oh, Poison Pill, part cova, he's got to go down and get that.

Then they got to come up to Gabriel. the entity, all these other things that are working. It didn't go over my head the first time I saw it, but I was like, Jesus Christ, another scene where they're explaining what has to happen to make this movie make sense. The second time, all of that stuff, I was a little bit more familiar with it,

and it seemed a lot shorter, and it got to the point a lot better, and the movie made more sense in a exposition, exposition, action sequence, exposition action sequence and then tying all the relationships of the movie together a little bit more so the second time I saw it like at the end

I was actually moved when the president saw her son when Ethan was left there when I left the first time I was pissed off like what the fuck that they just do so I know that's very long-winded but I had two different experiences

watching the movie and look I was completely prepared to come in here and be like yo this shit was really whack And I meant that. That was a real. Those were your first text.

That was like, that's what I said. When first text, then me and Kaliko went back to see it again. And I was like, oh, I had a lot more fun with it. I was there for the ride. And it made a lot more sense to me the second time.

So that's, and I have that theory about the movie. That anybody has a problem with it, it might be the type of film that's better on a rewatch. I mean, I liked it the first time. Yeah. Yeah, well, I thought it was,

I, listen. Does a movie have its issues? Yes. The movie does one thing that actively piss me off that we'll talk about later. But as an ending for the story of Ethan Hunt and the IMF, as we know, and all these characters,

when Luther's giving his little speech posthumously at the end, there were tears in my eyes. A real grown tear, start. That meant something to me, man. It was just, it's, I don't know if it's the perfect ending, but for this particular iteration of what Tom Cruise and Christopher McCoy

have been working through the last four movies, that's how you wrap it up, man. That's how you send Ethan Honoff if this is indeed the end. I thought that, like, we're talking about more like the minutia later, but once they get, once he gets off the aircraft carrier, gets it to the Ohio,

movie takes off. And I had a ton of fun in the theater. I know it was a little long. It was like 240, you know, and that first hour is a lot of talking to your point. It's a lot of, you got to get this. They restate the pot cove and all over and over and over again. But at the end of the day, man, when he's in that submarine and he's got to like unhook the diver's stuff from the fall of the air backpack to shove himself into the tube. Right?

When he can't get into the torpedo tube because it's too big, dog, when he jumps off the plane and gets onto Gabriel's plane and his plane is falling, when he's upside down, that right there, E-I-N-E-M-A, fellas, that is capital, sit-em. Let me tell you. And guys, maybe this is just me.

Okay. But when... Talk your shit, Jimmy. When he's in the submarine, I don't know if you guys saw this an IMAX. I saw it an IMAX the second time, which might have also contributed to... Oh my God, you have to see an IMAX.

When he's in the sub and he's turning the lever... Turn the lever. And it goes from the standard shot. Oh, boom. Boom. Talk your shit, Zeroy. Come on, man. I'm sitting there ready.

And then the guy goes, and he gets into the water, and then for the next, like, what, 25, 30 minutes, silence. and you're sitting there. It's you and Ethan in the submarine. And he's 12 minutes. It felt like dirty to me because I was sitting, bro. You know how I get into it?

I get into it. I was at the edge of my seat. Alea. What's the movie going experience? What the fun's wrong with? Alea, what's the movie going experience with Jomey? Jomey's either falling asleep and snoring. That's true.

gestures at the screen and talks to it. It's like him watching a Lakers game. God forbid he's in the stadium. It's like he's coaching the game. Imagine a conductor at a symphony. Jomey conducts the movie. Instead of being on the stage, I'm like in the audience.

Jomey's like, Kalika was livid. She was like, what's wrong with it? The first time she met Jomey, she's like, what's his problem? Jomey conducts the movie. He's in the scene talking to the people. He's like, yes, Tom, now go over here. Dog.

Like, he's directing. Bro, when he, dude, when he, like, is on a plane and he knocks old boy out and flips him ups, flips the plane upside down, and he falls out, then he, dog, I'm saying they're like, we've literally, we've never seen this before. I am in, I'm in a cathedral watching Pastor Tom Cruise spit a sermon so fire. that we have never seen and we will never see again. Ladies and gentlemen, if you are listening to the sound of my voice, if you can hear me, what I am telling you is that what we have just experienced,

Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning, is some of the best movie making we've ever seen. All right. All right. We won't see film like this ever again. We won't sit there and watch a man risk his life to deliver us some. incredible action. We'll never see this again.

And so as I'm leaving the theater, and I know like this is the end of this chapter, like we literally won't see somebody literally risk their lives to deliver us movies like this. Until he needs to win a stunt performing Oscar. Maybe, but it won't be, it probably won't be mission impossible, right?

Which is like the whole thing. Like this, even Hunt as a singular character of single force is something that over the last 30 years has changed, right? It was, you know, it's a spy movie. Now it's kind of an action thing. Over these last four movies, they've taken, they've ratcheted up the stakes,

at least for Tom Cruise, you know, risking his life to give us this stuff. And I think what they did with the submarine scene, which I wasn't expecting going to the movie, so like that was completely new. But the plane, like that entire sequence, incredible. Fellas?

I just want to say, say this to the American people. I think we are at our point where we are glazing Tom Cruise to such an extent that it's getting disgusting. And I need everybody to stop. I love Tom Cruise. I love Mission Impossible movies. I like that he's Mr.

Hollywood. He's saving the cinema. The president of Hollywood. I love the president of Hollywood. I do. But the glazing of Tom Cruise needs to fucking stop. Literally what we just witnessed, that was a lot, German. He was kind of doing tricks on.

He was doing tricks on it. Name somebody else is doing that. Name one other person is doing what Tom Cruise is doing. I'll be here all day. I'll be here all day. That's a lot. Name one person doing the same thing. Bro, that was as sincere as you'll ever see Charles.

Charles looked over. That was a lot, bro. Okay. Like, like, I, he can't, no. Name one person doing the same thing. There's nobody. There is nobody. Okay.

I'll say my piece for the beginning of it. Like, I genuinely do respect... Do you have it? What? He's got to get his hat. He can't pop without his hat, yes. Okay. All right.

Pause for hat. Why now? Okay, wait a minute. This is important. This is important. Why now do we need to activate the hat? Because I'm meant to wear the hat today because I don't want to betray the hat. Go ahead, Steve.

Okay. Okay. That's important. But no, I genuinely do respect the idea that. the kind of principles of filmmaking that Tom Cruise and Macquarie really do preach, I kind of do find important.

Like the idea that making movies with these amounts of effort and forethought and dedication is something that, like, as an industry, it seems to be lacking. They don't make movies like this that often. Now they are bloated and very expensive

and are the maker break levers that will keep the lights on it paramount for another year. But when I sit down to watch something like this now, the most cynical parts of me feel like, okay, well, now I'm going to watch like the 10th installment of a extension of a person's ego to seemingly want to keep the lights on, not only just for their career,

but like Hollywood abroad. So when I say that, it can be wildly entertaining but also like debilitatingly boring and insufferable. That first two, the first two hours of the movie, I'm gonna be so honest.

Like I was, I was probably like, you on the first watch, I was actively pissed. I'm like, if they introduced another fucking goddamn fucking callback. It's a,

this movie's a flashback merchant. It's nothing, but like, but like, like over explaining, and I get it. Like, it's supposed to be this big culmination

of every single thing that's ever, happened and they're talking about Ethan Hunt like he's Jesus and he's the manifestation of destiny and all the things that he's ever done have culminated into this one thing. And I've wanted to kind of like make a comp of like what kind of film series has like concluded or like carried on this way and I would have wanted it to be like a Fieries. It's the Fast and the Fieries. At the end it's become the Fast and the Furious. But like with a self-serious elevated prestige that it doesn't deserve.

Well, so this is what I'll say. Okay, so the stakes are different here than they are in the Fast and a Furious. Sure, of course. And the talent, no's the respect to Fast and Furious, but the talent is different. I want to say talent, I mean, there's an elevated Hollywood reputation that goes along with the Mission Impossible movies. You know, got Angela Bass and Tom Cruise, people like that. Also, the scope of the film, the film deals in a seriousness that an espionable, film has to deal in or else it's hokey, right?

So it's like if you have a movie that is dealing in espionage and spy shit a James Bond type of film, that film has to comport itself with a degree of seriousness or else you won't fall into it. And that's so crazy for me because I, like, the hokeyness of almost all of the edition impossibles is what I've liked about it. When I've loved Ghost Protocol, when I've loved Fallout, when I've loved Rogue Nation, there's always a level of ridiculousness to all of these movies that I have greatly enjoyed. And there's a reason that they're propulsive and there's still a kinetic energy of while explaining things in a ridiculous way,

while having ridiculous, like, gadget glasses and insane stunts and all those things, there still feels like a level of trajectory that everything. movie is on, where both with dead reckoning, less so with dead reckoning, but a lot so with this, it just stops every like 30 minutes to be like, what we're doing is so important. And what we're going to be doing is the last time we're ever going to be doing it, here's an awesome sequence. And now back to explaining how important and everything is. Occasionally, we're going to have one person get the spotlight.

Palm Cleventive is going to be amazing. Hellie Atwell is going to do something cool. and then over-explained stakes big fuck off amazing plane sequence that is genuinely thrilling and like amazing like it's it's the like it justifies its entire existence i'm not going to say that i wasn't like thoroughly entertained by it but it's so it's so much of a drag when dead reckoning came out i really hoped that it was a fluke i really hoped that it was like okay covid really held that back and they wanted to split this up into something a bit more cohesive but instead it's just long protracted, okay, we've only

got like two or three things that are really fire off in this movie spectacle-wise. We're kind of just spinning our wheels for about a good two hours. Okay. So let me tell you the way I break the film down. Particularly when I'm talking about like this, you know what I want to say something? No, no. I'm trying to. Particularly when I talk about what I'm looking at from the scope of the second time I saw.

The first time I saw it, once again, I'm going to be honest with you. I felt exactly the way you just that. Sure. Okay. So the movie, got to do three things. Number one, it has to get Ethan out clean. Get Ethan out clean to where we are completely unambiguous about who Ethan is. Because going into this film, you can be like, yeah, Ethan Hunt is cool, but he left this trail of carnage in his wake. All of these people had to die, get fucked over for Ethan Hunt to do what

he does. That's the Don Lowe character coming back. The Don Lowe character comes back because you think that guy is really in a lot of trouble because Ethan Hunt had to use him as a patsy to steal the knock list from Langley. But they do it in a very heavy-handed way that what Ethan did ended up being better for Don Lo. And they actually use Don Lo's genius to help them solve the problems that they have in this movie. The second thing they have to do in the film is make you believe that legitimately

if one thing goes wrong, it's the end of the world. Now, a lot of movies do that, right? Like, if we talked about Star Wars A New Hope, you'd have to say, all right, if this doesn't happen, if this doesn't happen, if this doesn't happen, if this doesn't happen, if Skywalker, if Owen, if Skywalker's parents don't get killed, it all gets fucked over because he's the only person that can make the shot, right? Yeah.

So all of these things have to happen. But with those things, you could look back. can say that they're just coincidence. This movie has to do it in a way to make you believe that they have to plan these things out and execute them all. Like, nothing has to happen that's almost just lucky. Yeah, nothing happens by accident.

They have to have a plan that is the most ridiculous plan, but actually the only way that it works. And I'm saying that because the movie is ridiculous in the sense that Ethan Hunt is the only person that is ridiculous enough to think of the things that have to happen in this movie for them to win.

I mean, there's been, like, a lot of a movie with Ethan going, this, I have to do this crazy and say thing. Someone's like, no, that's crazy and insane. Why'd you do that? It's like, that's literally the only way going to happen. Yeah, and I guess to me, like, with this, the problem that I had with this

is that, like, there was no, like, like, there was no either levity or like shrugging off of this movie's ridiculousness by its star at any point. The world's going to end. What? What's funny about that. What's funny about that is because it almost seemed to be happening every other time. Because it's like, oh my God, I got to jump out of a plane. And then there's going to be a point where Tom Cruise is like, all right, I got to jump out of a plane now.

And then like he does it. Like regardless of whether or not it's believable, there's always some guy behind it being like, man, isn't this kind of nuts? and then he does it. I have a challenge here. Sure. This is the marvelization of your case. But you can't say that because it's happened in every other Mission Impossible movie. Wrong.

I don't think that it happened. You don't think so? I think that Mission Impossible One is an incredibly serious movie. Yeah. Like really serious to where he is bummed out for a lot of the time. I think now that what's happening, happened is that for us, we need the film that's showing the ridiculous stuff to wink at us. And Mission Impossible refuses to wink.

Like the marvelization of these movies means that, okay, we're going to do time travel and then Ant Man has to go, he has to make like back to the future jokes. He has to go, oh my God, blah, blah, blah. In order for us to be like, okay, we're watching something ridiculous. We get it. You get it. Everybody's cool. And there are going to be movies that are going to put large-scale things on the screen

and that are going to refuse to wink. They're going to be like, in this world, this is the way shit goes. It's the most important thing in the world. These people are serious and earnest. And you got to fucking deal with. No, when Simon Pegg pulls off Wolf Blitzer's face from his face and it's like, nah, man, you fell for it. Like, that's us winking.

When Henry Cavill is like, who falls for this shit? And then it's Alec Baldwin just pops this shit off. Even in this movie, they have the little bit of like, and this was obviously a reshoot when him and Haley Atwell get captured and they do the looney tunes. You don't see the fight. Yeah, you don't see her face being like, oh, what's happening? That level.

And he's like, hey, you got, we do have to go. And then it rolls into the train. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff. I'm not saying that the movie won't be funny. Like, I'm not saying that the movie won't be funny. I'm saying that the movie won't be funny. is not going to. So in the film,

they remark on the absurdity of the plans, but they never give the audience an out to where we get to go, you know what, this is fucking crazy. They go, no, the fate of the world is at stake. We got to do this. And if this mother... I think they do that in the, like just the scenes.

When you're watching him do the playing stuff, when you're watching him in the Sylvesterpool, you kind of like, holy, like, now he's doing this for real. Like, this isn't like, there's no way. And Ethan's never having any fun. Not even a little bit. No.

He's never having any fun. After that joke at the beginning, that's... The movie stops having fun with you. It's so serious. I mean, yeah, because they're, end the world's in three days. I don't know what kind of jokes you can be crap.

I mean, but I guess my big, my big issue with this is like, I feel like I felt this movie is not as bad as like the rise of sky Walker or whatever, but that movie's insistence on everything having to connect and everything having to be a part. Like, while I was watching this movie, I'm like, why does this fucking character have to be a callback to Mission Impossible One?

Why does the rabbit's foot actually not have to be the rabbit's foot? Man, to hold on to the knife the day you got fired just to give it to, like, come on. There was a moment where I was like, really, bro. You know what I'm saying? He had it. That's whatever. This is the one thing I'll say about the movie that had actively pissed me off. Well, I don't think he would have that night.

but if he did. No, he wouldn't. He would. I think the CIA would probably have the knife. But if he, if that knife was left there, I personally would,

would keep it. Okay. Well, I mean, and again, like, where you're like, oh, the guy, the, Henry Chesney, in the first one,

when he gets, when they find out that Tom Cruise stole the knockless, it's like, send this guy to the coldest spot and the most remote place in Alaska. Yeah.

Right? And you flash back 30 years later and guess where you find him, Alaska. It's like, it's some nice little, like, tying the bow, I think, on that particular character. And him and his wife, shout out to Pisa, man. She was a real one. She was funny.

Yeah, she was cool. She was when she was, she was, when she was, she was going to tie before you're just like, where's the president? Right. I'll give them, Donald. That was cool. Jim Phelps Jr., inexcusable. That was stupid. That was very stupid.

There was no need for that. Shout out my guy, Shay Willem. I love that dude. He makes everything better. He just had to be your son? What? He had to be your son. Hey, and then.

That's it. By the way, sorry. The gigantic belly laugh for me. My favorite part of the whole movie is when after he's like done the whole plane thing and he walks up to Shay Wiggum and then he pulls a gun on him. And then he puts it away.

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Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tramphiator.com. Man, Dad, that was crazy, but hey, you know, shout out to the hand. Let's get into some criticisms of mine that have endured. Sure. Okay. So even the Jim Phelps thing is very indulgent because I have reasons in my head as to why they did that. The original actor who played Jim Phelps was super fucking pissed.

Look up his name somebody. He's a TV legend. Was super fucking pissed at the way Jim Phelps was portrayed. Peter Graves. At the way Jim Phelps was portrayed in Mission Impossible from 96. Who's pissed off? He was like, you can look it up. He goes, this was a big deal then.

We're not a big deal. It was a big deal of film nerves like myself. Nobody else gave a fuck. I'm going to stop doing that. I'm going to stop saying that something was a big deal that was a big deal to me. Nobody gave a shit. Well, obviously, you say it's a big deal. That's like saying, in my opinion.

Obviously, it's my opinion. I'm saying it. Yeah. You know, Tupac died in 96. That was a big deal. All right. The fact that the original actor in this movie didn't like his character, not a big deal at all. But to people who watch movies and were overinduling,

and stuff like that and never knew that they would make a living years and years and years later talking about shit that happened in 96 it was a big deal to us. He came out and said, you know what, I would rather that they have said

they'd have said that Jim Phelps, I'm retiring away to some place in Hawaii and handed the franchise off like that. He did not appreciate them taking his character that was in the show for that long was the hero and making him into the villain of the movie. He didn't appreciate that.

I think this, This is a way to reconcile that. To have Jim Phelps, who is essentially the little Haitian, uh, Tachala in this movie. That's who he is. All right. To have Jim Phelps exist on as someone who is good and someone who is with Ethan.

Shane Wickens is an asshole in this movie. Yeah. He's a dickhead in this whole movie. But at the end, they work through it. So I think they work through it. So, so they're just like, you're just like, You're still like your son's an asshole just like you were in the first movie, but...

I think they're trying to like rehabilitate... Like, come on. A character that we didn't care about either? I really do. I really do. I think they care. I really think they're trying to do that. Okay, number two, that's bad. Yeah, that's bad. The performances in this movie

are really odd and weird. We are talking about some of the best actors in the world. Sure. who aren't particularly good in the movie. All right, I will say this. I love Nick Offerman. I love Nick Offerman.

He's great. He's great. When he dies, it's almost as bad as when Taia. No, I actually love that. I love that. I laugh. I laugh. I laughed when he died.

Oh, Madam Brother. I laugh. Like, embarrassed Kouika yesterday. Embarrassed her. I laugh. I laugh in the theater. And she hit me. She's like, fucking, I walk out.

Like, I laugh. So, like, a lot of the performances, they're odd and weird, and it doesn't seem like it's particularly well-acted. I don't know, man. Like, the shot of the dude, we'll talk about, like, the MVP's of the movie later. But the guy who was just like, you gave him an aircraft carrier. He was hitting. Charles Parnell, I'm pretty sure I'm saying the name.

He was Warlock in a Top Gun Maverick in those scenes. Like, he was hitting, like, I don't know. Maybe. I thought, like, the Nick Offerman death scene was kind of nuts. And, like, that was so funny. That was crazy because I didn't come out of nowhere. Like, why was that guy trying to shoot the president? I'm going to eat your sidearm, son.

It's getting a little hot in this room. I didn't understand, like, what the thing was. I might have been something that's stitched together. But I thought, for the most part, like, again, I think that scene at the beginning when he's in handcuffs is probably the weakest part of the movie. Because they're just explaining stuff that we already saw. They're, like, looking back at the history of Tom Cruise or who come Tom Cruise, looking back at the history of Ethan Hunt. Like, we just didn't see that, like, 20 minutes ago. I thought, like, they didn't really need that exactly.

But I thought when, at the end of the movie, when that same guy's like, he did it. That son of a bitch actually did. See, that so. I was, I was supposed to get it, man. That was, you know, it's funny. A crazy son of a bitch. No, he needed to do it. I needed that bigger.

I need, like, that son of a bitch. Like, I needed something bigger than that. Also, get your shit off. If we're talking about negative. I love Hannah Waddingham. What the fuck was that accent? What the fuck was that? It's because it's not bad, but I know what she sound like, for real.

There's nothing about her that says American at all. It's just, and like, she's a great actress. Yeah, she's incredible. I was like, this don't sound like you. I know what you sound like. I was like, Austin Butler talked like Elvis for two years. I was like, nah, bro, I know what you sound like. Why are you talking like this?

Talk regular. Talk, you from Orange County. Talk like you from the OC. Talk like a person. you had a take niggas is lying I like this movie I like the plane

I hear the thing the bike plane shit was amazing I'm not lying I was honest I said I didn't like we also gotta stop this in podcast

in podcast like yeah I didn't fuck with the movie but then I saw it a second time and it's not that bad like I'm just like it can grow on you wait a no

wait a minute wait a second wait a second hold on for a second stop this is really rich coming from you, you motherfucker. You have cultivated a bit

over the last five years where you hate every fucking movie. And it doesn't matter if it's the godfather. He's like, hey man, Tessio, fuck Tessio. It doesn't matter what the fucking movie is. You've done this.

And we've allowed you to do this. And we've allowed you to do this. And we've allowed you to do this. I took upon your persona in The Last of Us podcast and I could tell it hurt you. You were like, how can I up the fucking toxicity.

I got to say, fuck somebody. Like, I got to join Turning Point USA. And now, and we've believed you and let you, and now you're fucking, you're choking out my true experience.

I saw the movie. I didn't like it at first. I saw it again. And the shit worked the second time. I'm just being for real. I think that I'm being serious, the shit worked the second time because the first time I saw,

saw it, and I'm just being real with the audience in all seriousness, I was just taken aback by so many things. I was like, yo, why are they acting like this? Like, why is Ving Rames acting like this? Why has all of this stuff happened? I think when I went into it the second time, I was more able to slip into the world

that they were created. Wait, if I'm being actually, like, 100% serious, I think the thing that, like, kind of, I was like, this is kind of, I don't want this in my movie, is I don't know if this movie was designed to be the final one. They're probably going to make another mission impossible, but this seemed like a movie in reshoots after Dead Reckoning didn't do that well,

where they're just like, oh, Tom's getting up there. We have, like, the submarine and we have the biplane. We believe in these sequences. But you're right. We got to do something emotionally to make this seem more important. And I was like, you don't got to do all this. So the movie, in my most honest assessment of it, is we have two scenes in the film that are so,

unbelievably ambitious. Yeah. And so unbelievably well done that if we nail those two sequences, you can't not like the movie. So how can we orient a story around those two things that make those two things actually necessary and have those things retain the amount of suspense needed to justify. the grandiosity of the sequences. So you have to have the podcova. All of these things have to be going wrong.

The fucking submarines falling off. Ethan could have died. I meant to count. But I think Ethan could have died 30 different times. Yeah. On the way there, on the way of so much stuff has to go right, right? And to your point, you get that. It comes away with that.

The first time you see it, I think that to me, was just like, the second time, I'm like, okay, I can see how that. Wait, no, but here's the thing I actually like, the goofy part of the movie that I actually did like was like, I think it's so dope that everybody's like, man, Tom Cruise is the only,

Ethan Hunt's the only motherfucker who could do this. He's the, like, he's Jesus. And I was just like, by the time you see the submarine shit, and the time you see the biplane shit. He's like, you might be Jesus. I'm like, yeah, Ethan Hunt's the only who could do this. Yeah. I almost did not need all the exposition.

I didn't care. Like, I just did not care. I was like, there's nothing you can tell me that's going to make the submarine like, like, I'm like, it's already so cool. You don't even, I'm like, you're going to start the movie right here. And I would have been locked in. I'm just like, when Gabriel was like, I brought two planes, one for a spare. I'm like, oh, thank God.

It's happening. Gabriel has that moment in the movie. Ethan is crawling up the side of the plane. And Gabriel's like, what the fuck? What is this thing going on? Triple takers like, like, what? What? What? And Ethan's, Ethan's crawling.

Gabriel's like, oh, my God. And then Gabriel gets out over his skis and he gets hunted. That was crazy. Hunn it? Hunting. But also that is... He went outside. I'm not going to...

That was so funny. Two planes is so funny, though. Because he's just like, Ethan, a part two, just in case you escape. And I was just like, this is why I like this shit. Yeah. I... To your point, I left being annoyed by the movie, but because the spectacle of those final two scenes is so over the top, it does do the, like, the...

the summer blockbuster thing where I was just like, I still would. Like still, like still a good time at the movie. Exactly. I kind of liken it to, you go to Disneyland. You forget the time that you spend waiting in line.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Like, when you're waiting in line, you're like, hey, man, what the fuck, man? Like, how many phone games do I have on this thing?

It's like, I know all y'all not trying to ride Indiana Jones. I'm the only one that likes his ride. Like, what that? the hell, the ride is going, the ride is going, the ride is going. And then when you get inside of the ride, the ride's like a minute 30 long. It's like two minutes long. Like, but you don't remember the time that you waited in line because the ride is so

amazing. But you spend a lot of time in these different places waiting in line. And that's kind of what I mentioned is possible is there was a lot of waiting in line for the amusement park rides. Because when we went for the Star Wars thing, what I forgot is I'm like, to your point, in the middle of the day when it's hot you gotta wait a little bit, you pissed. But I'm like, Disneyland does the thing

where they put off the fireworks that night. It's a small world. You're eating kind candy. And it's like, if I have to give Macquarie and Tom Cruise, I do have to say, like, they are the type of movie professionals where they're like, I can guarantee if you ask Tom Cruise was the first three-fourths of the movie bullshit. He's like, yeah, but we left you happy.

We left you satisfied. We put our heart and souls into these three sequences. We did all this work. To me, I put them on the level. of like a James Cameron where I'm like, even if you don't like the avatar films,

just because of what you're seeing on the screen, you're like, man, they don't do this shit any of that. Yeah, you're like, the technology involved, just the world itself.

You're so immersed into it. Can we talk about Ethan Hunt as a fighter real quick? Like hands? Mopping people up in the movie. That night fight in the submarine was awesome. That's fucking amazing.

That's a great fight scene. That's a great fight scene where Tom's, athleticism. Now, is that, that's Tom Cruise, right? Yeah, yeah. There's no stunt double for that. Right.

There might be, but I don't think so. That is a really intense John Wick's style hand-to-hand fight scene. Like, I was wondering in the first, when I first saw the film, in the first fight scene, I was like, oh, does Tom not want to do

that type of stuff anymore? Which is why maybe they didn't show as much as that, of that as they would have in past years. and no. I thought that that was a reshoot. Like, I thought that that was probably like... It was shot great.

We don't want to like get somebody to redo like all this by choreography. It's going to be a joke. Because there were a couple like parts in the movie where I'm like, I think a lot of the acting where we're just like, why is the acting kind of like very TV-ish? Those to me were the reshoots or some people were in a room locked together. And I think that's one of my criticisms in the movie. I almost think Tom Cruise, not almost.

I know. Tom Cruise's charisma sucks too much air out of the room. Where I feel like what this doesn't have that the Fast and Furious has, it's like no,

there's no other characters in this movie besides Tom Cruise. Like, Haley Atwell was so good, but she has nothing to do. Charles, in no way is the Fast and Furious in any way fucking with this movie. No way. There's no, there's no version,

there's nothing. I want to have this conversation. There's no fat. The Fast and Furious is, shout out to the Fast and the Furious. Love watching those movies. You're talking about it as a franchise? No, I'm talking about...

Charles just said there's something that the Fast and the Furies does better than this? Yes, there are actors and characters that have to get moments and get, like, punchlines and have whole story arcs and there's a whole world. This movie now is just like, eat nobody in this movie besides Ethan gets to do shit.

Like, Ben, I'm like, why is it big Benji here? I would say that, like, not a problem, but a noticeable thing about most of the later Mission Impossible movies is that it's hard for Tom to not suck up all of the spotlight. Not really. There's no other character

besides, honestly, besides Luther and Benji, the rest of these motherfuckers, I'm just like, y'all the B-T. Like, who are? Oh, yeah. Who are the black dude? The black, I'm like, why's he here? Hey, respect their guy.

All right. Hey, he, at first, I was like, this guy with the cheekbones is not doing nothing. The guy's the cheekbones. But then at the end of the body, the end of the movie, I feel like his character ended up in a place where you were like, hey, things might have been a little hairy had he not been here.

He's flying the planes. He's helping Don Loa and his wife. It seems as if that character was an afterthought at first. But by the end, he was part of the team. I never thought I say this. Nix bring Jeremy Runner back. Like, come on, right. Hey, hey, my hot take.

My take. I'll do you one up. I think that the whole series should have been surrendered to Rebecca Ferguson after Rogue Nation. Turn his mic off. Oh, you don't even like me suggesting a woman? Turn his mic off.

You don't even like me suggesting a woman? You're polishing the glass ceiling up there. This is the problem. No, Steve. Because now, I was Dick Ryan earlier, though. Yeah. I was Dick Ryan earlier. I pointed out.

That's weird. We have to. Shout out to Rebecca Ferguson. I love her. By the way, the movie miss her. After she got off, Dead Reckoning. for a dumb fucking reason Well she wanted

She was like I'm trying to make doing it in silo man Y'all got me So look we want to say this real quick But we We support women-led Absolutely But you see how I don't have to say this

Respect Ethan Hunt There's no come on Steve Respect eat the hunt Come on man Be free Come on man Steve hold on we're gonna give you an opportunity To take that back

Take it back Take what back That Rebecca Ferguson Should be the lead Of Mission impossible That's This is This is we were talking

We were having to talk talk in the back, we do got to get into a point as a society where we could just keep it 100% real. Nick, I go to Mission Impossible to see Tom Cruise. That's fun. That's fun. That's fun. Steve, you can. Come on, man.

Steve, not. Okay. Okay. That's your opinion? That's your opinion? That's your opinion? Steve's opinion? Haley Atwell, to me, is an actress that should have had more to do. Like, I think, like, the heart, like, one of the hearts of the movie that I was like, yeah, when she's, like, resuscitating him

and he's just like fucking freezing. She's like, it's okay. I'm like, this is the movie. Give me more this shit, bro. The scene, like, he's still underwater and the camera, like, he hits the ice cap and it flips. That was good. That was great.

She said above. Come on. Come on, man. I think, I mean, her point in the movie, right? What difference is a good thief from a great thief? Timing. I love that shit. That was the dumbest shit ever where there was just like,

yeah, she's a master pit pocket. she had the only one who can grab it in one millionth of a second or whatever I'm like this is the dumb shit I like I have a question How does she grab two walkie talkies and two guns with only two hands Hey who cares

She's an octopus she's got like another set Who cares you know what I'm saying The whole thing We're having a good time And so when the Right because you don't see him Put the poison pill in the pot cover So you're waiting along with the characters

The light goes green She goes eating Clip boom I'm like yo That scene was good crazy, bro. He doesn't have a parachute. He's falling from the sky.

This was what I would say. I would say that I felt like Benji had his own stuff. Benji got to be team leader. He had his own side mission at the listening station. She got her own stuff. I do feel like there were other characters who were a little bit less important. Paris didn't get to do not in. Yeah.

I love Palm Clemente. She was awesome. giving our hands. Yeah. Jalzer, hey, Paris come here to do. What she said? I kill people. What she did?

She was killing people. She also saved Benji's life. And she saved Benji's life. That wasn't funny. It's just like, you need to save me. I'm like, I kill people. What are you talking about? But the Luther scenes.

Now, hold on. I love Ving Rames. I love Ving Rames. And I get it. He's old, so he can't really be like on missions like that. Yeah, he can't. Like, he alleged. I need to go with the end.

He can't find me. So here's the thing, right? It pissed me off. It pissed me off. We talked about this, like, on a pod, like, me, you might have mentioned it. We were like, man, we see Ving Ram's in the hospital guy, man. Might be over for our boy. He went on like, I, it did suck to see him go, but he went on like a G, man.

Hey, we're both on the right side of that gate. We're brought on the right side of that gate, you know? Listen, this entire thing is the sum of our choices. You know what I mean? And I'm sitting there. He's like, yo, you got to go, man. You only got 45 seconds. I love you, brother.

Come on. Now, let me tell you y'all something. What are y'all going to do when in future movies, the entity is now actually a Ving Rames AI that helps Tom Cruise? I swear to God they're going to do something like that. I swear to God, the entity is now, the entity is now, Ving Rames did the poison pill thing. Right. And the entity is now in a little drive. They did not destroy the entity.

Nope. Still there. They have the entity. Why didn't they just smash that thing? They're going to use... Because the entity will be... It will be mission possible, the entity. The next movie, it will be helping Ethan Hunt,

and it will be voiced by Ving Rames, who is now the Jarvis to Ethan Hunt... That actually is kind of dumb that he's just in his ear the whole time. My big question, why did you go into the entity coffin? You had to go into the antique coffin. That's how he found... That's how he figures out how everything works. That's why he's like, oh, he showed me the decompression chamber,

the plane, the whole thing. whole thing, the social station. That's how he put it all together. Gets it, he writes it down, he gives it to Benji. He's like, I got to go save Luther. That's how he put the whole plan together in the first place. I was like, no, uh, man. The whole movie is Ethan convincing people to believe in him one last time.

Yeah. And that's, I want to be mad at that part, but every single time that nigga said that shit, I'm like, I do believe you. I do believe you talk to me. If I was Ethan Hunt, I wouldn't have even gone about it. that way. I mean, I'm not going to talk to Erica like that. The president of. Don't. But I wouldn't have talked to her. But everybody else, I'd have been like,

shut up. Give me what I need. Because I've done this a bunch of times. I've done this at least seven times. Like, if I was Ethan Hunt, I would kill Kittrich. Kittridge's got to die. Kittredge is one of the biggest before. Ketrich is one of the biggest threats to the security of the world that ever

existed. Kittred's is always trying to stop Ethan. He never has any ideas of his own. Kittrich is the biggest fucking hater that's ever existed in any spy movie franchise ever. That's ultimately what it is. He's the ultimate header because again, he gets out

of the little base, whatever, the president lets him go. And then Kittrich is like, yeah, I kind of figured you do that. Cool. I'm going to go to stuff Africa. I'm not going to tell nobody. Just to mess with Ethan at this point. It's not really about saving the world. It's about getting went up on the dude at that point.

He just, an all-time hater. But I will say, I'm not the first one to shout out this scene, but, dog, it was so funny when Tom Cruise was taking a shower and a submarine and them, like, they were licking their chops. It was all horny. What was it? That lady was just, like, take care of my suit. Excuse me?

Shout out, shout out Katie O'Brien. Listen, that whole, first of all, that's the hooniest submarine I ever seen. That's real. Because Bradbro, Tramel Tillman, dog, MVP of a movie. He came in He's a star If this was He's great

If this is rewatchable That's the Dion Waders award Mr. Mr. He didn't know his name Yeah But he couldn't know his name It's classified

When he was Mr. If you want to poke the bear You found the right damn That's my shit He's cooking man By the way He was cooking

Severus is up People in the theater Was going crazy Yeah Yeah Milt shows up It's great By the way

Another cameo from Severance What's her name the pilot when they jumps off of the board's end of this call. Oh, no. I also got to say Van Jomey, y'all are turning me around.

Now I'm thinking about all the what the hell is the movie that I did enjoy. Now I'm actually talking about the good parts. I'm like, I apologize. You're rewatching it. You're rewatching it in your mind. Real time. You're rewatching it.

You guys are, I'm starting to come close to your side. I'm telling you on the first watch of the movie, I'm being for real On the first watching a movie I was like Yo this shit is ridiculous Like this shit is ridiculous It was a two hour and 45 minute

Tom Cruise Like suck fest It was Yeah Blazing And then the second time I sat down and I'm like Because I had already

Poisoned Kalika's mind to it I was like Yeah man this shit This shit whack And she was like I mean Did you see the plane thing That's not whack at all

It's like I've never seen anything like that But to your point, like the movie does, once they get to the submarine and all the suns start happening, that's when, to me, I'm actually like, now the movie starts. I was like, you guys could have just started the movie here. Like, you guys could have started the hand in the right there. You really could have a good idea to be honest with you. And as somebody who enjoyed the movie the first time, I completely agree, right?

You have the little, little suck fest at the beginning where you go through all of this stuff. Not little. That's like an hour 45. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about like that at the beginning when he's getting the download from the press. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. If you want to do your flashbacks, you do it right there.

Yeah. And then. you like go through the movie like once he gets off the boat once he jumps into the water the movie yeah that yeah he's saying it like it's because we might have already talked about it but we have to like just stress like it's not just the biplane when all the shit in the submarine is crashing and when it's about to fall he has to take off the i'm like he's not taking off his suit he got a that shit is freezing the fucking missile he's launched out of this shit i'm like he's dying And also when he was just like, what does Tom Cruise say?

He was just like, yeah, your little chamber was never part of our play. Yeah, I was like, oh, then what was your playing? Come on. I got to tell you something. I got to believe, bro. Ethan Force sensitive, bro. Even four sensitive. He got to be.

Ethan took, Ethan's in the bearing sea. The water's cold, bro. I thought, you know what I thought about when that thing was happening? I thought about Jack from Titanic. Yeah. Jack was in the water. Probably a lot longer. But Jack was in the water.

Jack froze to death. Jack died. How, what was the depth? Ethan was down in the bottom of freezing water. No, no, how high-up did he go?

He was in bikers shorts. How many miles did they say? I thought it was like at least a thousand feet. I think it was like three or five hundred feet or something. Okay. Well, then that's not that crazy. But they just kept saying you like six times like, you're going to get the bends and you're going to die.

Yeah. The wife was also being a little freaky because. was like, watching. First of all, when does the decompression chamber have room for two, let alone a bed?

Listen, you can, you know what I'm saying? You get a twin bed. You can fit people to people on there. Why isn't Ethan, like, why doesn't he like,

you like Haley, like you actually mock queen? Like, why is it, why does he? He's never, like, the closest we ever got to,

like, a commitment from him was with Ilsa. And even then it's really just. Oh, you mean, it was very, you're right. You mean, on mission.

Yeah, on mission. I mean, I mean, I mean, He married Michelle, Michelle Monaghan, but like that album was only one movie. You know what I mean? Do you think Haley's just like, I see what happens to all the women in your life?

I'm like, I'm good. Either almost die or die. I mean, he has a cursed dick, if we're being honest. Yeah, I don't need any international troubles. You know, like. Wait, why does she come back? Oh, yeah. You know what?

They, of all the stuff that they did, they, I guess they brought back some stuff from two, but not as much stuff from two as they did. with the other movies. Two is kind of the forgotten movie. Two is absolutely the forgot one. In terms of reconciling all the stuff from the franchise past.

Who would you trust to like on a mission, Ethan Hunt or Stitch? Oh, from Lilo and Stitch? Yeah. Oh, man, Stitch got, he did his thing, man. I'm going with Ethan

because that's my goat. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I had a Mount Rushmore of movie characters, he's up there for me. So I got to go with one of my goats. I got to go with Ethan. But Stitch saved the world and nobody had to die.

And nobody had to, well, some people, well, here's the thing. Well, the thing with Ethan in particular is that some people may, it's like that a FARCOD, some of you may die. But it's a sacrifice to the moment. No. It's more of the fact that like Ethan can't let his friends die, right? And that's something that we saw in Rogue Nation that we see in fallout. And that, I mean, and Kitridge talks about this all the time. And so does the villain.

Ethan would risk billions of lives for one of his hums. Right. If they got nukes pointed, the death being pointed at Earth. And don't worry. You can tell whose missiles are which because their flags are on every single one. And he's like, yo, but you got to go save Benji. It's like, well, guys, I got to go save Benji, man. I know the rest of the world is that stake, but I got a job to you.

We can do both. We're going to do both. You know, it's the whole thing. And it's just, that's something. It's an interesting character quirk that they develop on the second half of the film franchise.

I think like honestly makes Ethan's character a little bit more full, a little more better. He's not just some guys like, I got to go save the world because of this and that. I have to go save the world because I got to go save my friends. I think that's real. I had a question about that too, Steve. What's the point of putting flags and logos on nuclear weapons?

I mean, just so you know whose missiles they are. No, I get So when you're looking up this guy, like, oh, right. I get the point of doing it on like a fire jet because you got to know who's. You got to know who you're fighting. Unless it's a time going to be. Your team is, right? Yeah.

But on a nuclear weapon, it don't matter. I was looking at all the different flags and a nuclear weapon. I get that they probably do it just because, hey, you know, whatever. But like, it don't matter. Once the motherfuckers start flying. I mean, that's the thing. We saw the map. Like, we know we saw everybody who had them.

Fucking call them. I didn't understand. They tried to explain it, too. I'm like, all right, so the entity trying to, like, broke the whole world to kill everybody. But the entity's just going to be, like, chilling underground, not doing nothing? It's the, the movie is making a not so subtle,

uh, commentary on AI. Yes, no, yeah. So the entity, AI always gets to the point to where they go, you know what, humans, inefficient, fuck them. Wipe them all off, start over. So the entity got all of our information studies. So it's going for the next thousand years, watch reruns and marry with children.

And I guess the other, watch MurderBot, right? I guess the entity's people are going to be the ones. But how they're going to survive? But also, we are at the point now where it's like, every single time I'm on social media scrolling, it'll be like a new story being like, this rogue AI refused to be shut down. It tried to blackmail.

It's right. So we just pulled the plug, and they were speaking. in a language. We didn't understand. Yeah. Blackmail the people. They try to blackmail the people. He just got to show them. What was it? Ethan Hunt's trying to tell you, man. Y'all laughing. Y'all like, this movie stinks. He's telling

us the future. He got the entity now. What is Ethan going to do with the entity? You guys think that my Luther example, my Luther theory, has in the legs? I'm so scared that you are 100%. That is funny. I do like that he's walking around with a little tiny Pulp Fiction briefcase.

I mean, just like a little gold thing? I don't think so, Because, again, the scene in the decompressor chamber where Haley Outwell is like, Grace is telling him, if anybody can have the entity, control the entity, it's him. He's like, no, not me, not anyone. I think she gave it to him because, again, she trusts him to do what he deems his best. Imagine what he deems best is going home, taking a sledgehammer and turning into a thousand pieces. Yeah, why isn't that the immediate thing? Because now it sounds like, hey, Tom Cruise, you're the only one that we can trust with AI of Hollywood. Okay, let's get to the midnight meter

Okay, face the live Mission possible, moist protocol Moist protocol. Oh, God. Jesus Christ. All right, I'll go first. I'm going to give it two different scores. Oh, no. No, not this shit, bro.

No, not this. Right now. No, get my, I'm going to give it an eight. I'm going to give it an eight. Okay. Let me give it an eight. Lock in, man. I am, I'm going to, I'm going to give it a seven. A seven?

A seven? Because I thought about this. Because I thought about this. Right. And if we're going through like all the films, right? Mission Impossible, the first one's a seven. The second one's like a four. Third one's a seven.

Ghostbalk calls an eight. Fallout or Rogue Nation is like a nine. Fallout to me is like an 11. And dead reckoning has happened. Right. I think the thing about this series that I think is like not as chronic even, but something that you only get one that's below like a seven. And for me, like a seven is something that is completely rewatchable,

so we can have fun watching. Seven of the eight movies up there are above a seven. And so I think for me, despite how much fun I had, I think that there's some stuff that's just like, all right, guys. Like, honestly, it being eight if the Jim Phelps stuff went in there. Like, that thing cuss me off to know it. There was no need for that. My guy, Shea Wiggum, you have to do you like that, my brother.

Have your own name. Right, you know what I'm saying? We could have just been Briggs. It could have been Briggs all the time. But no, I had a blast. I love this movie. I love this franchise. I'm sad to you go.

It's a seven for me. Six. All right, you hate movies. I do. Easy sex. Okay. Yeah. It is entertaining enough, but only enough.

Nah. I do wish, to your guys' point, do wish it was a little bit funnier because some of the things about this movie. Have some fun with himself. There was that, no, no, no. But you guys don't, like, when he's fine a dude in the submarine, he's like, you need to stay the time off the internet. That's funny.

That's the stuff I need. If he was like, when he was like, when he was like, like shaking on the submarine floor when it was just coming out. I would have been like, anybody got a towel or something? Like, I'm just gonna sit here.

Like, come on. It was a good time. It was a good movie, man. It, uh, we didn't talk enough about, we talked a little bit about it, but we didn't talk enough about the,

uh, that fight scene. That's a great fight scene. It's a great fight scene. It's shot perfectly. Tom is rolling and all that stuff. And they're cutting back and forth between the fight and, and the, and the Sosa's base with,

that was a great fight too. With all the soldiers in the, that was fun. It just sucks. that the movie didn't show up for an hour and 45. Not 45? It was like, man, it might have been like 70. This movie's near three hours.

It might have been like 70 minutes. Might have been like 60. This is like an hour and 45 minutes of wheel spinning. We didn't even talk about the rush dude. It was like, if, if you were, if you were me, would you believe me? I was like, I. Pretty good. So our Mission Impossible rankings now.

And so I got to look at all the movies because this is going to be. I got mine. I got mine. I got my. I got my. Go for. If y'all been locked in on Mission Impossible Mondays. You know, hey, shout out everybody who was locked in, man.

It's the culmination. We'll start at eight, obviously, or the last one, Mission Impossible 2. That's probably the worst, definitely the worst. Y'all might be bad at me, but I think this is fair. I like the movie, but we're in a different era now. Mission Impossible 1, that's 7. 6. Jesus.

I'll probably go, I mean, really, you can really flip them. I'll probably say, dead reckoning at 6, final reckoning at 5. for, not going to be mad, Mission Impossible 3. I like it. I like Mission Impossible 3. 3 is Ghost Protocol. Two is Rogue Nation and one is Fallout.

And I fundamentally believe the first two have to be Rogue Nation and Fallout. The last one's got to be Mission Impossible 2. Everything after that, you can kind of mix and match, I feel. But Fallout is one of the best action movies we've ever seen. Yeah. Legitimately. So 8 is... So 8 is Mission Impossible 2

We agree on that Even though Movie gets a little bit better on the rewatch for me Mission Impossible 2 is great I love Mission Impossible 2 Do you? Yeah, okay

It's a good time Mission Impossible 2 7 to me is Dead Reckoning Part 1 Hell yeah That's fair Um Six to me

is Dead Reckoning Part 2 Final Reckon final reckoning Yeah The final record should I say Okay Um Five is

Mission Impossible Three Four is Ghost Protocol Three is the original Mission of Possible Two is Rogue Nation One is fallout Okay I would switch that up

It's almost the same From the top Sorry I'm going to the top down That's just it makes sense of my brain The top is fallout Second is Ghost Protocol That's wrong Third Rogue Nation

fourth is three. Okay. Fifth is one. And then it's Final Reckoning, dead reckoning, two. I'm not ranking any of these. My last statement will be

Fast series franchise. If you participate in a franchise is so much better than Mission Impossible, it's not even funny. That's insane. Not only is that one of the worst takes, I've ever heard come out of your mouth. It's fundamentally one of the worst things I've ever heard

anybody ever say in the history of the world. Fast and Furious is a way better franchise. None of that is true. Name one movie. Name one movie. Fast five clears every single mission impossible. You don't believe that. No, that's not that.

You don't believe that. I would take too fast, too furious over most of these movies. Too fast, okay. I just turned his mic off. Mute him. I know a rest of piece around the horn. Do not let him talk the rest of the podcast.

done. You're done. That's crazy. Hey, look at the box office. What are you talking about? Look at the box office. For fast, too fast, too furious? No, for all of them. I stand for, what I've realized is the Midnight Boys in our viral success no longer speak to the common man. Brother, you're

quit farming right now. And I'm speaking to the common man. That's not, you're clip farmer right now. You're just making it up. Tim Poole says that it's prop clipping. That's what he's called? He told Sam Cedar one time. Why would you listen to the, all right. Oh, if Sam Cedar's on something, I'm going to watch it.

I don't know. Sam Cedar's cool. So Sam Cedar was on Tim Poole. What time? Tim Poole. Sam Cedar was continuously talking and Tim Poole was like, your prop clipping. Prop clipping. Charles, your prop clipping.

You're prop clipping. He's prop clipping. Jummi, why are you so upset with Charles prop clipping? Imagine if I was like, hey, man, you know what? A. A. Isa Shiel is better than the wire. Or it's better than. You damn near do that.

Almost I had that. It's not like it. That's not to say it was the best TV show ever made. I don't know when that y'all got so disrespectful for Fast and Furies, but those movies fed families, all right? You know what I'm saying? It's literally about family. It put actual people of color on screen.

We weren't killing them off like fucking Tom Cruise. Like, come on. But he replaced it, though. We went something we don't talk about in this movie. We went black for black. Luther's gone. What? Tom Cruise traded.

Tom Cruise, right? By the way, in my theater, when old boy, with cheekbones, when jawline, when he, when he showed up at the end and he wasn't dead, there was a brother in the back that were, yeah. There was this kid in the movie that was the second time I watched. When the nukes came out, he was screaming. Like, no, don't blow him up. And then when DeGar shot up, he's literally like, hell yeah, black guy.

I was like, hey, man. He said, hell yeah, black guy. He didn't know his name. They didn't say anything. I will say shout out Tom Cruise, though, because he did let Vingai Gaiiard Cup for years. He did. He was like, they always trying to kill,

killed a black man. Tom Cruise literally like, he's like, you always going to be in the movie. Was Ving Rames in every movie? Ving Rames and Tom Cruise are the only people. Almost everyone? No, no, no. Everyone was in all of them.

Because. Is he in three? Yes, he was in three. Oh, yeah, he wasn't three. He was in three. He popped up at the end. He popped up at the end. No, no, that's four.

That's four. He pops out at the end of four. Yeah, I remember that. He's having a beer in San Francisco. But he's in the same of Tom Cruise, the only people in every single mission possible. I think Ving was, I think being done with it, bro. So then that's my last question.

Do you think this is the actual last one? No. With all the money this shit made? Yeah. Let's look at the box office right now. They come in like three, four years we get into one. Okay, so this while I will look right now. He's got to go to space.

On my AMC app. He's going to space in a different movie. So I'm looking at my, I'm looking at my A&C app. Let's try to buy tickets right now for Mission Impossible, the final reckoning. Well, shout out to Mission Impossible and Stitch. really. Lilo and Stitch, man. They made some bread this weekend, man. The Stitch was killing me. We back. We're back, dog. Not to

not to step on Sean Fennix's toes, but movies are back, fellas. Huh? Final destination bloodlines was cooking up. Come on, man. Oh, yeah. And we're not even, and this is May. We're not even getting in July. So let's say we want to see an IMAX of Mission Impossible, the

final reckoning right now at AMC Century City. It is a random Wednesday at 2.30. Oh, no. Oh, wow. No. Book solid? Book solid, man.

You got one, two, three. You got like a couple of different ones. So the movie going crazy. The movie going crazy. And look, and I'll be honest with you. Well, the last thing I'll say is there's a part of the reception to this movie, both critically and commercial,

commercially, that is saying thank you to Tom Cruise. Yeah, sure. There's a part of this movie that recognizes that Tom Cruise and the filmmakers behind this movie and other movies

during this really precarious time in the last four or five years. If they didn't save the industry, they thought that they were. And because of that, they're giving us gigantic film-going experiences that you cannot get at your house.

So is there a part of the response to this film that is a little bit glazing Tom Cruise, as Charles says? Yeah, sure. But I do think that the movie justifies his existence and I do think the health of the movie is very important for the present and near future of the industry.

If I'm being my least troll self, there's something magical about looking in Tom Cruise's face when he's on that biplane and how dedicated he is. Not just to the stunt, but to being like, I do think Tom Cruise actually is like, if you buy a ticket to my

movie, I want you to feel taken care of, I want you to feel entertained. I want you to feel something. And that is like, even if I did not like this movie, I will always sign up for someone who can, like, there's not... You can't say that he doesn't give a shit about the things that he does.

Lilo and Stitch made $36 million on Monday. That's crazy. It's so funny, man. Snow White came out, nobody watched Snow White. They're like, hey, no more live action roommates. Leone Stitch. Leal and Stitch, though. Hold them, hold my beer.

Lleon Stitch already put down 361 million worldwide. That shit made more than Thunderposts vines. Hey, man. Hey, man. Like, come on, bro. Hey, no matter what, Disney's winning. Yeah, that's true.

All right, that's enough out of us. That's a wrap this week on the Ringiverse feed. But Mash is back tomorrow with their pod on the last of us finale. Also tomorrow. Howsoever will be giving you their spring mailbag, mailbag? And later this week, we will be giving you our Ringerva Readerer recommends for the month of May. May, as far as that's concerned. Our producers in the Salt Factory are Steve Allman, Alea Zanaris, and Jomi Adirond on social.

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On Fast and the Furious A Mission of Possible Porn parody I'm a little curious Look Last before we go, I mean, I gotta say one thing. And it's never, I've never done this before.

Okay. Or ever had this thought in a movie. I personally think that Mission Impossible is going to make for the best porn parody of all time. Okay. So, no, no, no. How do we get there? How do we get there?

Like, leave me down your train of thought. I thought about, what an Axel Braun could do with this movie. This movie is like it's begging. There's so many scenes that I saw in the film.

It's begging to be done. It's a spoof in it of itself. And if you replace some of these stunts with sexual stunts, I think you could make a... Sexual stunts? Sexual stunts. I think you could make a...

Sexual stunts. could make a porn parody that actually goes mainstream to where people would be like, I gotta see this. So let's take some of the iconic stuff for the Mission impossible series. Like I'm telling you, like, I'm watching all of this stuff and I'm like, what if we change this? Right. Like what is- There's an origin in the submarine?

Yeah. So like on top of the Birch Khalifa? All of this type of stuff, if you really, because if you just did this movie with the best people in porn, right? And you made it a semi-serious thing, but the stunts are sexual stunts. So they're like falling, everybody jumps

out of a plane, like a halo jump, but instead of just falling, they have sex. They're having sex. Okay. They're having sex underwater. Like, all of these different things that are happening in the... The compression chamber. Wait, well, there's like, one porn star is just, like, being, like,

slowly lower down. Yeah. He did it. I could write this. I'm sure you could. I'm serious. Like, I would, this is the only, this is the only one that I would write. I would write this.

You would write a porn. This is the only one I would write. Because I don't want to be a part. I'm an admirer of it. This is the only one I would write. But if they find, if they find it, right, maybe James Dean as Ethan Hunt or one of these guys, if they do it, this could actually. be one where it's a semi-mainstream porn paris.

Is Johnny Sins like Luther, like, because he's also bald? Well, Johnny, you got to get a black guy to be Luther. Why would you get just race-swap? No, you don't race-swap. I don't know many porn stars. Oh, man, no, Luther has got to be. Okay. So you're also the casting director, clearly.

We cannot have every single fucking episode with porn quarter. That's twice now. Yeah, that's twice. Back to back. It's twice. You might be cooked, man. I apologize, guys. But I thought this when I was in the movie,

and it's probably because of the whole conversation we had the last time, and people have been hitting me up. And like, every time we have a conversation about porn on the Midnight Boys, the audience gets like super pissed off. Like, oh my God, Van, so he's like, I'm your weird uncle, I'm sorry.

But then also, the people hit me up and they go, Van, would you like to visit the set or would you like to come on to the... That's... And I'm like, no, I don't want to go that far. No, no, no, no. No, no. I don't want to see it.

I don't want to see how the sausage is made I don't want to see it I don't want to see it I don't want to see it I don't want to see it I don't want to see it I love the stories when like somebody does go

they're just like evil evil I'm never watching it maybe that's what you need man maybe maybe that's the final step that's the final reckoning but I'm just saying

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