The Ringer-Verse - 'Moon Knight' Episode 2 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

The Midnight Boys are back to break down their thoughts on the latest episode of 'Moon Knight'. First, they address the controversy behind "Screener-gate" (02:21) and then break down the need-to-know in the Midnight Manifest (11:16). Later, they ponder the question about some of the MCU's television CGI (51:55) before discussing a party that Jomi and Steve attended. Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes Guests: Steve Ahlman, Jomi Adeniran Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Together, we are known as The Midnight Boys. Programming Reminders. Before we begin, this Friday, the House of R will be giving you their deep dyes into the second episode of Moon Night show that I really enjoy. Second episode of Moon Night was fantastic. And the Midnight Boys are going to be giving you

our instant reactions on the entire season of Moon Night. That is next Wednesday. On today's show, we're going to be giving you our thoughts on Moon Night's second episode and addressing the information. Screener Gate, let's get into it right now. Okay. This is the reality, okay.

Here at the Midnight Boys, we've cultivated a brand, all right? And we know what we are, which is why this podcast is working. Because we know what we are here at the Midnight Boys. We are the guys that come on and watch something and then take the exuberance from what we just saw and funnel it into a podcast

where our camaraderie, our brotherhood, and our love of fandom spills over into your brains. And then you guys come back for it, right? We know that sometimes on this thing, on this podcast, we get theories wrong. We realize that sometimes the instant reaction means that we don't have the opportunity to go through with the fine tooth comb and get through.

But that's who we are. And that's why you guys come back. So I do want to say this. Screenergate, which is, of course, if you guys have not been listening, the fact that we were provided from Michael Mouse's crew, the first four episodes of Moon Night,

all critics. Let's be clear. All critics. And we watched them. And a little bit of our entire feelings on what we watched bled into the first episode. The first thing I have to say is,

hey, our bad. I think that's, I think that's, I think Midnight Boys, I think we are all in agreement that we should say our bad. Oh, can I just get something off real quick? Yeah, get something off.

Like honestly, I have to tell the audience, like from the bottom of my heart, like, I don't think people realize what you guys do every week, spending 90 minutes, two hours of your week, weekend, week out means a lot. You know what I'm saying? Whether you're the midnight mob, you're a midnight writer, whether you hate it, love it, indifferent. Like two hours, spending two hours with anybody is like an investment. The only thing you have in life that's more precious than money is time.

You can't buy that shit back. So I appreciate that. I think what people need to understand is I think they think that. it's malicious. Like we're like, ah, we got four episodes you didn't.

I'm like, what people probably don't realize is I was a critic before this. I was just like birthed to do the Midnight Boys. So sometimes me going back and forth. I'm like,

oh, every critic watch four episodes. I should watch four episodes. This is a normal thing that critics do. And I forgot, like for a minute that I was like, oh shit, like people have an emotional connection to us watching stuff with them.

And that's something that like I didn't totally take into account, which I do now. Like I appreciate that. I'm just like, oh yeah, thank you guys for reminding me. So I just wanted to get that out up top. Like, it's not a malicious thing.

It's not me being like, oh, fuck the audience. It's like, oh, no, I just didn't realize that you guys cared that much about it. That's dope. Amazing. Well said. And by the way, I want to make sure that we pause for a moment and get to the fact that whenever Charles said something, it's normally pretty well said. Charles, when you're on the rails, your train is smooth. Okay.

When you get off the rails, you're like in the Savage Land, fucking dinosaurs and all that stuff. But I do want to say this. I need the audience to be careful about overreacting to shit. All right. We love you guys. We love you guys. When you've seen me going hard on Twitter, it's because these guys aren't just my coworkers. these gentlemen are my friends.

These are my friends. If I run into the mall, right, and I see Jomi getting jumped, I'm going to jump in. If I run into the mall and I see Charles getting jumped, I'm going to jump in. If I run into the mall and I see Steve getting jumped, I'm going to call the police. Because they should help, you know,

because he's got his own country, so that's what you mean. They should help. You know what I mean? Of course I'm going to jump in. So what I'm saying is sometimes old man van is a little paternal in that I take it personally some of the things that get said. Anything that we get wrong, that's fine.

But to act like we, I just felt like some of you guys just made a little bit too big a bigger deal out of Screener Gate. And I also feel like that some of you were unduly hard on Charles. and we're here for it, we're here for the criticism, we're here, ain't nobody going to run on stage and smack nobody, all right?

That's not how we're going to. We love you guys and we want you guys to continue to love us. Just remember to be constructive and remember to make sure that like you remember that we're people to.

And that's it. And I'm not going to get into the top. I'm not ask, look, I'm not asking for kick gloves, do the same shit because we come hard to. Do the same shit. Do the whole thing.

just remember when you're typing and you're getting your shit out there, that like a human is going to read it, right? A human that has all kinds of other problems that you saying, hey, we fucking hate you might just be the one thing that actually, like, contributes to ruining their day. Other than that, let it rip. Oh, and I will, I will say this. I think this is like peeling back like the layers of the show.

And I do think it's important to tell the audience that at least what I'm trying to do with this show. I can't speak to anybody else, but what the Midnight Boys means to me is, like, different. Like, I listen to other comic book shows, and, like, it is important to me that, like, the special thing is that, like, this is a show where, like, two black men especially get to talk about nerd shit on a level of, like, this is a ringer. You know, this is one of the most popping podcast brands in the world. That shit is, like, doesn't happen. And in the beginning, I was like, oh, this means something.

And the only thing that I can promise you as an audience is, like, I'm going to keep it 100% real. I think in terms of like the nerd space, there's this like kumbaya feeling of, we always have to be positive. Everything is great. Nothing is bad. And to be 100% honest with you, like,

this shit means too much to me. What these characters have meant to me from birth just means too much to me. Everything that I watch, I want it to be the greatest thing possible. So yeah, sometimes I'm going to be very, very critical.

And I get in the nerd space, that's just different. In fandom space, we are taught to be positive. And I come up through a different predigree. My goal in life was never to just talk about comic shit. My goal in life was to be the best at what I do. And what I do is being a cultural critic is like loving things, watching things.

So that's what I'm going to give you. I'm never going to lie to you. That, like, to me, that would be like shortchanging, y'all and shortchanging, like, characters that I love with all my heart. So yeah, if you guys are going to be on tour, we're not going to listen anymore. Like, that sucks. Thank you guys so much for listening. But for everybody listening, yo, let's rock.

I love you guys. I love the support. We're about to get the shit popping. Steve, play stop the cap. Why? We're simply, play stop the cap. Please play it.

You're like one of these fucking toxic dads. You're like one of these toxic dads that the son over and over and over again. You keep getting on his ass about technique, technique, technique, technique. Hey, don't flip your glove when you're feeling the ground ball. It's actually happened to me. And then you say I do it because I love you. You do it because of the love, but also you're a negative motherfucker. That's how you are.

Let's be real. Let's be real. Let's be real. Everybody thinks that criticism is inherently negative. It's not negative. Criticism's not inherently negative. It could be positive too. It's just like I tend to be.

Me and Charles went out to a bar in Brooklyn. Lady brought the sake. I drank the sake. I was like, like, this is the greatest sake I've ever had before my life. Charles took the sake, dumped it out. Like, take this back to Japan. Yeah. All right.

We love you guys. We love you guys. We're about to get into our instant reaction to Moon Night. That's all we got on screen again. I will tell you this, though. We do have something else to talk about at the end of the show. It's that Steve and Jomi are here, of course. There was a party.

Steve's birthday. Everybody say happy birthday to Steve out there. And at Steve's birthday party, there were ladies. And I just want to let all the ladies know this that are listening to the midnight mob, the midnight mistresses. No. Steve, they're watching.

Don't leave the midnight mistress is hanging. Damn. Don't leave the midnight mistress is hanging. Steve, say something to the ladies. Hi. Oh, sexual. Damn. That's silky-ass voice.

Steve. Look at the, Steve. That voice, almond boy. Wanted no parts. Yeah. Almond Joy's voice,

silky smooth. Silk. It's chocolatey on the outside. but inside is that nice school of coconut sand. Newgate. All right. It's time to talk about Moon Night. We can actually talk about the show.

Moon Night episode two. Spoiler warning. Spoiler warning. We're going to do it anyway. Spoiler warning. Go ahead. Roll it, Steve. We're getting ready to talk about Moon Night.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. We have to put you in the know for episode. Episode 2 of Moon Night, and as always, we are going to do that by letting Chuck Wagon give you the Midnight Manifest. Charles, I get it away. Guys, this is the Midnight Manifest for episode two of Moon Night, summoned the suit, directed by Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, and written by Michael Castellan. In this episode, Stephen wakes up in his flat, and it's unclear what happened after his fight at the museum.

When Stephen returns to work, he checks the videotapes with J.B., the security guard. But the only thing the two of them see from the previous night is Stephen screaming at something invisible. Stephen is fired by HR for what Mark and Moon Knight did to the bathroom. And then Stephen finds Mark's storage container full of his mercenary equipment and the gold scarab hero is searching for. Mark tells Stephen he's the avatar of Conchu and needs Stephen to stop interfering. Stephen freaks out, runs away from Mark and Conchew, and is found by his wife Layla, who has been tracking him via his razor cell phone. Stephen brings Layla back to the flat.

Lela delivers the divorce papers that Mark's center, and despite Mark's wishes, Lela finds the gold scarab. Police then barge into Stephen's flat and arrest him, but Laila escapes. The police are actually from Harrow's cult and bring Mark to their leader. Haro tries to pitch Stephen on his vision of Utopia and reveals he once served as Conschus Avatar. Hara was now fighting for Ameth, though, a god that believes in cleansing the world of all evil, even if that means killing people and children who might commit a crime in the future. Lela comes to save Stephen. She begs him to use the suit, and Stephen dons the Mr. Knight persona as a demon jackal chases them. Stephen finally lets Mark control the suit, and he dispatches of the jackal.

Mark and Stephen have a conversation where the mercenary reveals that Conchu wants Leila to be his next avatar, and he'll do anything to stop that. Harrow finds the golden scarab, which Mark lost, and then Conchu threatens Mark, and by extension, Leila, leading to Mark going to Egypt to find another way to stop Harrow from resurrecting the god, Ahmed. And that is the Midnight Manifest. for episode two. Yes.

Now, instant reactions. Charles, what are your instant reactions to episode two of Moon Night? I think similar to the first episode, I think that this show is operating at a certain rhythm and a frequency. And the thing that you get in episode two

is they really want to play up the mystery between Mark and Stephen and Conchue and who is in control of that? this suit. And I think we'll get into a little bit later of like the Moon Night or lack there of, but I wanted to know from you, Van, what were your feelings on the second episode? One of the best second episodes of any Marvel series that's come out.

Lie. It's true. It's true. That's true. It's one of the best second episodes of any of any of the Marvel shows that have come out. To me personally, sometimes it gets a little wonky in the second episode for me. For me personally, this episode for me, it gave me one thing that I, okay, so this is the formula success for Moon Night for me. Moon Night, the formula of success. This is the formula. I think the balance of the psychological thriller and the threads of the show that make it different and unique from the rest of the Disney Plus shows, of course has to be there, you know, but also I need to see the character. And I think like that's the, the,

the thing, I need to see the character. For someone who has been not a huge Moon Knight fan, but who's looked at Moon Knight as an intriguing character for as long as I have, I was looking forward to this show to see Moon Knight in action and live action on the screen. I was looking forward to seeing that. And I know that's a very, when it comes down

to making a television show and to making something that's like going to stand apart in fandom, that's like a very, I don't know, base level sort of thing. But yeah, I want to see Moon Night. I want to see Moon Night. I want to see a lot of Moon Night. And in this episode, as well as

sort of getting to see all of the ends and outs and meeting a new character, all of that stuff, you also got to see Moon Night in action and got sort of an idea of why he's such a badass. The first episode didn't give you as much of that.

They built up the entry to that. The the second episode did. So for me, I thought it was a complete episode of television and you got to have a little fun with Mr. Knight, cool bastard.

I love Mr. Knight. So I want to go off something you just said. I agree. I wanted to see Moon Knight. That is the thing that I wanted to see. I think actually my problem with the first and second episode now is that I feel like I didn't get enough

when the episode starts. I was waiting to see the end of the fight from the first episode. I really wanted to see, like Mark being the shit out of this jackal just so I could see everything that Moon Night could really do. How dangerous is he in terms of everything we know in the MCU? And it's a choice that the director and the writers decide where we don't see that. We actually start with Mark waking up. And the show follows a very similar format to the first episode where like the first like, what,

30 minutes, almost 40 minutes, you don't really get to see any Moon Night. And by the time we do get to see him with the Mr. Knight persona and we can get into the differences. between what we see on screen in the comics, we don't actually get to see Mr. Knight do that much. It's a storytelling choice that the jackal is invisible. But the entire time I was like, man, like I kind of just want to see the jackal. I want to see what Mr. Knight can do versus Moon Night.

And by the time we get to see Moon Night, I was just like, oh, shit, I kind of saw all of this in the trailers. So I do think that there's like a part of my expectations that I'm literally like, everything I've seen of Moon Night in the first two episodes, I've mostly seen in the trailers already and that might just be an issue with marketing

in terms of like if maybe my outset would have changed, my mindset would have changed if I didn't see so much of this already for months on end. It was great. And the reality of the situation is that the reality of the situation is that you didn't see all in that in the trailers.

There is a fucking prolonged chase scene with Moon Knight and the Jackal. I saw most of that is in the him jumping from roof to roof him catching the scepter him looking up to the to the church all of that was in

was in multiple trailers it's some of it is in the trailer but the way it plays out and what it means it's not all in the trailer okay and we gotta also remember when we talk about this trailer shit

because this trailer thing is becoming more of a deal they put a lot of shit in trailers it's getting ridiculous at this point I will say from a marketing standpoint in terms of like like y'all should should have saved this shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? They could have

saved, you know what? I'm not going to talk about that because people don't like to talk about. They also got on our ass for talking about things that have been out in leaks. We won't do it anymore. You guys, we're the pliable boys. Jomi, pliable boys, pew-bue. Jomi, why are you acting like what I said about it being one of the best second episodes of Marvel television? Why are you acting like that's cap? I just, I agree.

with you. I'm rocking with you. On that. I really enjoyed episode two. It was Charles. I don't, like we can go back. It's better than Wanda Vision episode two. Definitely. I think it's better than Falcon Winner Soldier episode two, right? Loki episode two was good. It's good. It's pretty good.

It's in the wheelhouse. It's in the wheelhouse. Yeah. The warehouse. Better than what if episode two. And Hawkeye, I would say how better than Hockey episode two. So it's there. Right. It's in the, it's, it's in the oppression. I had a lot of fun chasing Stephen and Lela around, right? And then seeing, like, we'll talk about it later,

but that end scene was some of my favorite acting, I think. Maybe in the whole MCU. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm talking crazy. Whole MCR. All right, we're going to go. Hold on. I'll be honest with you also. I really enjoyed that scene. I think that this show has something that a live

MCU fair doesn't have a compelling villain. I think this show has something. I think it was a very intentional move to actually start this entire thing with the villain. And I think that that thread has run through and it's good.

Having a compelling villain is the thing that has really, it's really been the only, and the third act stuff too, it's really been the only consistent sort of peril that the MCU has fallen into. And I am intrigued as hell by Ethan Hawkingness. Charles, you don't like them, do you?

Wait, what are you talking about? Ethan Hawk is a legend. I think a lot of the heavy lifting comes from the fact that, like, you have Ethan Hawke as, as this cult figure. I do agree with you that one thing that I think the TV shows have had trouble with in terms of, like, pacing is just, like, not having a central villain at the center of it. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier dealt with that a lot.

So I agree with you. But, like, before we get too deep into it, let's start from the top. Let's go chronologically. So Mark goes to the museum, and there's this scene where only he seems to be able to see the jackal, because the jackal is not picked up by the security guards. I mean, the security cameras. And that's interesting to me, because I'm assuming in the rest of the MCU,

magic is something that can be recorded on film. So is this different magic? is the type of magic from the gods that they're using something that cannot be picked up. I was interested in that because people can see Thor getting busy in the Avengers. People see Dr. Strange getting busy. What is it about the jackals that alludes modern technology? A lot of the power that we see them using, obviously it's purple color, which means that it's probably coming from Dormammu.

Now, we've seen, what are you talking about? Why are you looking at me like that? Jamimu was coming from Ahmed. Your mom, that's a wild accusation. It's coming from Ahmed. That's where the avatar. That's where the magic is coming from.

The power itself is purple. The powers have the, am I wrong about this? Look this up. I don't know. Everything is, I don't think there's something specific about like the color coding

with magic in certain situations. Like we took a bit from like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There's obviously something specific. No, no, no, no. Because if that is the case, then the fucking rips in the rips in the multiverse, which are also purple,

would also be from Dormammu. So here's the deal. So here's the deal. The magic, the magic, so the red magic is chaos magic. The gold magic that doctor, that, am I wrong about this?

Yes. I don't think you can read that much into color coding of magic in the Marvel universe. Bro, you jump to that conclusion like John Moran. Goodness gracious. I didn't think. I don't think, John Moran can jump. I don't think it's,

I think that the magic is coming from the dark dimension. All right. All right. I could be wrong. Look, you know what? Van knows the magic could chaos magic. You got the fucking cosmic magic, which is gold. It comes from the, that's the good magic.

Then you got chaos magic. You got the dark dimension magic. It's different magics. And they've got different colors. This is a real thing. I don't give a fuck what you guys. I know they have different colors, but I just don't think they're all as connected as you think they are. It is.

That is fine. Van, I want to ask you, though. Fuck you guys. When Stephen runs away, he goes to the storage closet. He finds all of Mark's shit. What do you think if you had a mercenary in your head? What do you think he would be hiding in his storage closet? So my mercenary?

Yeah. So I got money. So there's going to be some money in there. It's going to be like different fitness trackers. You know. So there's going to be like an or. ring in there. There's going to be like a fit bit in there. There's going to be different

things to track my sleep because I'm a little older. And, you know, Van is old. There you go. There you go. Whatever. It's going to be, those things are going to be in there. And then snacks. Snacks? If you ever, if you, snacks, if you ever, if you ever, like,

break into my bunker, you're going to have the best in Popcornopolis popcorn flavors that you've ever had. You know what I mean? You're going to have like little assorted chocolates, things of that nature. There might be a list with all of my various passwords for all of the sites that I like to frequent.

Big boony magazines. Yeah, stuff like that. You know, there might be passwords. This browsers.com. You know, blah, blah, blah. Steve, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, Jomi, Joe me, for those, this is a podcast. You can't see him. He's, like, shielding his eyes. And I know Jomey ain't doing that shit because I heard that he was shooting from half-core at Steve's party.

We're going to get into it. We're going to get into that later. So don't act like Jomey ain't the most hony, motherfucker on this whole thing. So we're going to get back to that at the end of the pod. Anyway, what I wanted to talk to you about Mark confronting Stephen in the bunker is that we're starting to get this breaking down of those two personalities and who's in control. It seemed like in the first episode, it's triggered by sleep. When he goes to sleep, Mark comes awake.

But now it's seeming like Stephen can possibly do this at will. And there's this fight. It almost reminded me of like shit that they never really got to do in any of the Hulk movies, which is like really show the battle between wills of when you have two minds in the same body, which I thought was actually like kind of cool. Well, I think that this episode gave you a little bit more into not just what Stephen is going through, but what Mark is going through. Like we think about this and it's a really, really compelling way to look at the character, right?

We think about it because our antagonist is Steve. Stevie, Stephen. Our antagonist is Stephen, right? So that's the guy that we meet, the guy that we are the most closely related to and invested to. We see him. He's the guy that we're rooting for. However, inside of him is a guy that has a job to do that has all of these different fears, that has all of these different concerns, right, that's trying to protect Layla from Conchew

because we know that Conchew wants to. Layla to be his next avatar, or at least is acting like he wants Layla to be his next avatar in order to compel Mark to get the job done, right? And we also know that Mark himself has a debt to repay, and he is very motivated by that. So just as Steve is a prisoner to Mark, Mark is a prisoner to Stephen, and for the first time in the show, for me, episode two, gave us a sense of what Mark was like, what Mark was going through when he was behind the wall, because we learned that from Stephen. Right?

What Stephen is behind the wall is talking about how much he doesn't like it, how powerless he feels, how crazy it is, how much it sucks. And what does Mark say to him? He says, you get used to it. You get used to that futile feeling. You get used to that powerless feeling. you get used to that feeling of not being able to be in control, right, and having to ask to do things.

And think about how much harder that would be to deal with if you were a hero, if you had to watch yourself be in situations where you had answers and you had skills and techniques that you could use to get over these obstacles, but you can't do anything, it's much harder to be powerless if you were once powerful. Easemark the hero, though, is that's what I want to push back on because this episode, when they're driving in the car

and the police are like, he was a mercenary, he shot people in the back of the head. We're quickly learning what the difference is between Mark and Stephen. Mark seems, he will do whatever

needs to be done to get the job done. He is the avatar of Conchu of vengeance. It doesn't matter who he has to dispatch of, who he has to kill. He's going to do this job. Where Stephen, when he's talking to Arthur,

about Ahmed and this idea that like Amet's big power is that she judges people whether you whenever you committed a crime whether it's in the past or whether it's in the future she's going to dispatch of you she has this dream of the world and Stephen his moral center is like why would I ever want to kill someone why would I want to kill a child like this cult why would I want to he says to Mark he's like everything you

touch you destroy everything you touch goes to shit And I do think that the show is trying to ask us, like, who is actually the hero of this story? What is how actually far will you go to do something? Because what I wanted to as you, Van, is I'm not sure Conchu or Amet are the gods that you want to follow. Because Conchu will do anything for vengeance. He's like, fuck you, Mark. If you don't want to do that shit, I'll take your wife Layla and she'll have to do it. And she'll, I think he calls him his slave.

Like, he looks at this like a means to an end, and Ahmed is worse, but how much, considering that she will do whatever she needs to do and Arthur, by extension, to get what she wants. And I'm, as of you are being like, are either of these gods that great? Both of these deals seem pretty fucking raw. First of all, in all of comics,

there aren't really very many good gods. Never. The deal about comic books, you always want your heroes up against like insurmountable forces, insurmountable opposition. And gods don't have to deal with that. So gods are normally the source of more problems than they are ones that figure it out.

You know, we see all of these guys going through stuff. It, to me, makes the living tribunal a villain in and of himself that he has just come down and fix all the stuff that's going on. Why are we going through this? Why does Steve Rogers have to get injected in his arm with something to go fight and save the world, jumping over cars and stuff? When living tribunal could just come down and make it happen.

One above all could just come down. and make it happen. The fact that some people question the very nature of God is the fact that they let certain things happen. That's a completely different podcast. It's like, we can do that, you know, whatever.

But to your point, I think that's the central question of the show too. That's why episode two is also so good. We learned a little bit more about consue. We learned a little bit more about I met, right? And we realized that they're really not that much different, you know? And in ways, we learn that there's a wholeness to this, right?

It's not all vengeance. it can't be that you get at somebody before they do something, right? Right? It's not all Stephen. It's not all mark. There has to be a wholeness to these situations and an ability to kind of look at things with a holistic view. And that's probably what's going to make of like a full hero.

And there are probably other parts. There might be more personalities. Obviously, there are more personalities in the comics that we haven't really gotten to know yet, right? So who knows if we're not looking at the fully full. the moon night or the fully formed Mark. And look, and here's the last thing I'll say about Mark and Steve is they both think they're a hero.

They probably both think they're doing it right. And those, like, so Mark absolutely believes because of his debt to Conshu and because of the way that he, the way his world works, his world works is like, you fuck up, I come get you, I kill you. That's the way things go. Stephen doesn't believe in that at all. But he also doesn't believe in, he's a moral person. He doesn't believe in killing someone before they've run.

wrong somebody. He doesn't believe in killing people, period. So there's hero shit and that. It's like which thing, which one is going to get the job done? Also, when we talk about identities, when I was watching it for the second time, I realized when Layla picks him up, he was like, is Stephen the latest fake identity for you? Which leads me to believe that she's seen another personality that's not Stephen, that we know of. And I'm just like, is that person, is that the person that was trying to ask the tour guide on a date? So I feel like there's a third personality out there that we're not introduced to yet. That I don't know if he's good.

I don't know whether he's evil. But Layla seems to know this isn't the first time she's seen one of his personalities. That's definitely a third personality because I definitely don't think it was Mark that asked him on the day. There's been some speculation on the internet. Whoa, we said we weren't doing spoilers. anymore. I didn't say that. Or leaks. Nobody's doing any leaks or any spoilers.

Nobody's leaking right now. I'm just saying that it's what's the third personality there, Jomey? Explain to, jump in. Jake Lockley. Jake Lockley. Jake Locker. What if Jake Locker is the third? What if Jake Locker?

Jake Locker? Jake Locker. Jake Locker. You guys remember Jake Locker from Washington? Yeah, the quarterback. He stunk. Yeah. What if he's, was the third personality. What if Jake Locker

played himself right out of the league and it became Conchus Avatar? It could be Jake Locker. Not getting any traction. Steve, jump in. Overall feelings on episode two. Loved it. Mainly to your main point about the compelling villain, I think

probably the best scene that happened so early. I didn't think that we would get this this early is like the villain monologing scene where you kind of get to see his entire philosophy of why he's in. But it's a perfect conceit to why he would do that because he's trying to placate

to both Stephen and Mark. Like he is like sympathetic to what Stephen's going through. So he's like talking to both Mark and Stephen and knowing that Conchus just like waiting in the wings behind him, I think it was genius. It was perfect. He's also dirty Macon on Conchew. Well, yeah, because he was a little jealous because he's like,

you know, I used to be the old thing. I thought a fun line in that bit was Hera was like, you're not alone. And Steve was like, that's kind of the problem, isn't it, bro? Kind of probably, isn't it, bro? I love the, bro. The accident's growing on me, by the way. No, when he said Waguan, I'm like, we're, we're done.

There was a line in the, in the beginning. I think when he's talking to BJ at the security, at the security footage thing. And he's like, bro, this is like Area 51, M.I.6 things, bro. I was like, ah, he's in his back. Like, this is about to be special. This episode is brought to you by Borris Head.

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But she's great. Layla's great. Very capable. Can kick ass. Stephen would be dead without her. I just find it interesting that how long is she been doing this? Because she's able to track him via phone. So this makes it seem like this is not the first time she's had to

to deal with him having D-I-D and not knowing where he is, even though they live in the same city. I thought the Layla situation was really, really interesting, and I'm glad that they didn't play it with too much romance. Like, I'm glad that she never ever felt like, it never felt like she was in her feelings about the fact that she's been apart from him or about the fact that he's doing his own thing. It never felt like she was in her feelings.

And I thought that was a good choice because it rounded her character. her out and made you realize that she is just as motivated and just as hardcore as Marcus. There was a connection that they shared and the connection that they shared had as much to do with their shared mission, the mission that she's obviously jumped into as it did with any romantic situation that they might have had, which obviously, or maybe, you know, maybe there wasn't as much of a romantic situation. Maybe the marriage was a cover. Who knows?

Who knows, like, what was going on with that? but it didn't seem as if she cared that much about losing a husband as much as she cared about the fact that he wasn't who he said he was anymore. Whatever it was, whatever path that they were on, she bought into it. And she continued to buy into it. And she was trying to compel Stephen to understand kind of what the big deal was too. Oh, I also think that her capableness speaks to the fact that, Contch wants her as his next avatar.

That means, like, it seems like Conchua as a type of person, whether it's Harrow, whether it's Mark, and now Layla, of, I want a highly capable person, trained to kill, can do, like she's very good hieroglyphics, she can speak French. There's a reason that Contchua has his eye on her.

I do think one funny thing that is a connection from the first episode is she walks in to Stephen's, Stephen's flash, she sees the ankle restraint. She's like, is anybody else staying here with you? She was like, damn, my husband getting down freaky. She's that, like, she was worried.

Freakalzoid, you know. Steve, we talked about the fact that Ethan Hawk is one of the more compelling villains that we've had in a Marvel show. What makes him so compelling to you? It probably isn't even because it's not like a villain who has a point, quote unquote, like Thanos or anything, because, you know, we all draw the line at child. Thanos has no point. Yeah, true. What? Thanos has such a point.

uh whatever. But regardless, but he's against the villain with a point type of archetype like a, like anybody else that we've seen. But, uh, it's because he's so calming and pragmatic and, like, he is the type of charming and, uh, like reassuring person that would lead a cult and convince somebody like Stephen that he's like safe and trustworthy.

And that's what I really liked about, uh, what we learn more and more about Ethan Hawke as we go forward because, it takes a certain type of charisma from Ethan Hawke to pull that off specifically. And I think that's perfectly done here. I was going to say the reason I slightly disagree is I think the thing that makes Ethan Hawks' villain so captivating is that a lot of his arguments

have like a point. Like he's a lot of the stuff that he is showing Stephen in that moment is correct. He's created. The thing that gets people to join Colts to begin with is that you have this charismatic leader who believes people. So he believes that there is something wrong with Stephen.

He's one of the first people to not talk down to him like he's an infant, but to talk to him like an equal. The people around him, you could tell that he's very, very good at saying, like, yeah, this world is fucked up. Poverty is fucked up. The fact that you can't eat, the fact that you can't survive, all of these things. And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he has this point. He has this point.

And then the thing that always happens with cults is there's the second layer, the layer that you're just like, oh, no, no, no, no, this is truly, truly evil. And that's what I think makes Ethan Hawks such a good villain is that, like, for when he says stuff, you're just kind of like, ah, I mean, he's making pretty good points. And then when he's just like, all right, but my secret plan is to kill everyone, even kids, like, even if they might have not done anything yet. And that's what I think to me makes him so compelling is that, like, in the same way that Thanos, like, sometimes he be spitting.

Sometimes the shit Thanos would be saying, I'm like, ah, you got some points. And then he's just like, I'm going to kill 50% of the universe. And you like, all right, you fucking went too far. Okay. So I disagree with you fundamentally. And I think it's very important that we talk about this. So we round out the, so let me tell you why I disagree with you. Number one, cult leaders don't become powerful because they believe people.

They become powerful because they give people something to believe in. So cult leaders, so that's completely the inverse, right? Coat leaders don't give a fuck what it is that you believe. They come and they feel. a void in your life that wasn't there anymore. They tell you what they do. They tell you this is the reason why this is happening. And my philosophy for all of this stuff is going to fix it.

So all you got to do is believe in me. Let me have sex with your wife and then with your daughter and then with all of that stuff and then we'll fix it all. That's what they do. Like that's what a co-leader does. The thing that, remember, he didn't even wait in the show to tell Stephen. It's not like he waited till Stephen was in the cult for three months to tell him that he wouldn't have a problem killing the kid. He told him that the first conversation.

I mean, no, this isn't the first conversation they've had. It's been a dare to. Maybe it is like the first actual conversation that they're having because Mark has just be killing people left and right. And this is the first time that he actually has an audience with him. Right. So he's the first time we actually see them talk, he says, hey, I'll kill kids. Because he doesn't want to like, he doesn't want to hide. the fact that this is who he is.

He wants this to be who he is and he wants you to think that this is your only salvation. The thing that makes him a compelling villain is because you know that he believes what he says. Like, it's not a swindle, it's not a ruse, it's not a, he thinks he's right.

That to me is always, I talk about the Zod factor, best villain to me. Not bad movie, great villain. Zad believes he is right. Like he believes he's right. And that's the thing that's compelling about Thanos. Thanos thinks this is the only way.

A lot of times you don't get that from villains. A lot of times they come off as people who just want chaos, which is cool, which is also scary, but it's much less scary than a true believer. I tell you something. Nothing in the world is scarier than a true believer. Nothing. Can I just take that to its logical conclusion?

I don't think Moon Knight will do this because Disney has to appeal to people in the flyer estates. But I think that the thing that's so interesting about what? Go ahead. The thing that's so, to me, interesting about the comics that they constantly run into is like, is Conchue real? Is this deity real? Or is this something that's in Marx imagination?

And I think that a lot of times people are like, what's the difference between a religion and a cult? It's a very fine line. You don't really know. when you're talking about everything you just talked about, sometimes you can apply that to religions. And I think the thing that I'm more so interested in is, is Kanshu an actual, is Kansu who he says he is?

At least in the comics, that's a lot of it. Is Amit who she says that she is, is what she wants actually what Arthur wants. How real is religion in the MCU? We see it in Thor that these guys are North Gods, but sometimes the movies are like, no, they're more close to aliens. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like the MCU has a very, very fast and loose approach to, like, are these, are the Asgardians actual deities or are they aliens?

Are they from a different dimension? Or are they people that other beings worship? And what does worship mean in terms of this universe? And that's the stuff as just like a fan that I'm just like, I want to see more of that. Lastly, here the suit. We got two suits. We get the Mr. Knight suit, Mr. Knight's suit, Mr. Knight, cool looking guy. Mr. Knight might be my Halloween costume.

I'm not going to lie. I might be Mr. Knight. I'm going to be honest, there's a very fine line between, like, looking like Mr. Knight or Moon Night and, like, the KKK. So you just got to make sure you're... God, damn.

You got to make sure it's a cosplay. Yeah, I was going to... I was going to... I was going to... I don't know about that. Yo, I'm going to be honest with you. It's going to be so hilarious with some fucking dude

that runs some fucking... Like electricity company in Florida goes as a KKK guy for Halloween and then goes, I wasn't a KKK guy. I was Moon Night. Because, you know, every year they fuck up during Halloween. Right. Halloween is the season of white fuck up. I didn't know we weren't supposed to do blackface.

I didn't know I wasn't supposed to dress up like an inmate with an Afro wig. Somebody's going to go. They go, I was Moon night. And we don't have to be like, was he Moon night? Because like a dime store moon night costume, that's what I'm saying. Gossip has got to be good because you got to look at like Moon Knight's hood. There is a couple degrees difference between looking like Moon Night and looking like you with a KKK. I'm just going to be real, Chuck.

Oh, the Grand Moon Knight, the Knights of the Moon. The Knights of the Moon from Indiana. The Knights of the Moon. Oh, the Imperial Knights of Moon. Do they have Moon Wizards? Moon Wizards? Moon Wizards. is it. I wonder, I wonder, I wonder now, because I never thought about this, Charles. I wonder if

Moon Knight's whole run was really, was really about some fucking clandestine KKK shit. All right, I'm going to be real with you, and this is my last point on this. How dope would it be if in the final, the season finale, Mahersha Ali pops out his blade, like, you KK motherfucker, it just. Yeah, or Black Panther. It's Black Panther. You, Black, Black Panther would hate Moon Knight. They're not going to get along with Moon. He said, Wakanda forever. Bah, bah.

Christ. So what do you want? Moon Knight's finally all in character. He's finally all. We get to see Moon Night. We get to do it. Charles was was underwhelmed by it. Jomi,

how did you feel about that? Wait, wait, before we get into the underwhelm of it, I think for the, what do you do? No, we have. We totally glossed over Mr. Knight. We will talk about Mr. Knight.

We're going to come back to it. Oh, I'm just saying, like we're talking about two different. And we haven't even said. what the difference between Mr. Knight and Moon Knight is. Go ahead and tell us what the difference between Mr. Knight and Moon Knight is, Chuck. So traditionally in the comic books, like Mr. Knight is more of a detective. He could still fight, but he's very, very capable.

And he, Moon Knight is the vigilante. He's like the Batman figure, beating up people. Mr. Knight is the person that works with police and works with investigators and talks to criminals. Have you ever seen, like, issues of Batman, where Batman has to talk with kids, but the kids are, like, afraid of him. They're, like, too afraid to talk to Batman. Like, Mr. Knight cuts the difference where

he's, like, wearing a suit and, like, he can talk to the victims that he's saving. So he goes around, and he kind of is more of a, more of an easy-going kind of face for them to, like, for him to get information from it. Yeah, and very smart, very detective, like. Cool-looking character.

Cool-looking characters. Guys, the skirm-sticks looks like a couple of his skirm-sticks right there. He's going to fight with like that. All right, so the suit has been summoned. Moon Knight is jumping across different roofs. We see him. I see he's in your background right there, Jummy.

What did you think? I thought that whole sequence from the rooftop to the end was just like some of the best stuff I'd seen in a minute. You know, him chasing. Yes, Charles, looking to your camera. I'm speaking the truth, right? I like showing how, you know, Moon Knight didn't really like put the hands of God in him. But he knew what he was doing.

He got him to that steeple. So when he jumped off, he could skewer him on that statue. Right. That was the plan. Right. And then he summons his weapons back, you know, which I thought was really cool. And then going back to Mark and Stephen in that entire argument. Like I legitimately, I watched that part, rebound it, and watched it again, like twice.

Like, that's how engrossed I was in that part. part, like, like how hard it is, you know, like to act against yourself and to make it feel like two distinctly separate people, like, that's got to be a monumental task. And Oscar Isaac killed it. It legitimately felt like it was two people going at it, beef for beef, right? And then when he's kicking in the glass, I think that might have, I can, I don't think he says the F word, but like, I was like, is that the first F word that he ups are you? But he, but he, he's, he He's kicking the glass and he's just like sick. You know, and you're like, shut,

though, up. And you're like, oh, snap. Like, bro, like, he really, he's really going through it. Oh, my God. Oscar Isaac is him. He was in his bag, deep in his bag right there in that last scene.

Like it was fries in it. Like, it was fries at the bottom, right? And if you disagree, like, you know what I'm saying? I don't, you know, I think when I, literally, like, and I'm going to, I'm going to, like, be real hyperbolic here, right? I'm going to be like, I'm going to just go wild. Get your shit off.

No, it reminded me of like Robert Donnie Jr. in the first Iron Man when he's holding court at the end when he says I am Iron Man. It reminded me of cap speech in the Winter Soldier. You know, and he's like, it's a price I'm willing to pay. It reminded me of Chattowick in the, in the ancestral plane in Black Panther, bro. Just like when you're watching somebody and you're like, bro, like this is like, I believe, I know. that you're an actor, this is not real, but I'm so in this moment that I believe anything.

Like, I believe that Chadwick is out there talking to his ancestors in the ancestral plane. I believe that Captain America is about to fight Hydra and Shield. I believe that Tony Stark and Robert Donnie Jr. are one of the same, that he is Iron Man. I believed in that moment that Oscar Isaac was Mark Spector kicking Stephen Grant's glass bottom in the movie. in the show.

Like, I legitimately was so sucked in that moment. Stop the cap. That's why we love you. Stop the cap. Don't play it. Shit.

When we talk about best, like, MC, like, come on. I cry at the Tachala dad scene. Like, that shit is like actually, like, not just super weird.

It is like, it's tough for it to live up to that, though, because. Jomi put it in the same conversation. Like, it's a good scene. Wait, wait, wait, but let's, let's put it in context, right?

And he admitted he was being hyperbolic. It is tough for it to live up to that because we watched the Chaka die like the first scene he was ever in, you know what I mean? And so it's difficult to live up to that because of the stakes. But if you're just saying

on pure acting ability, maybe he feels like there's similar skill being displayed. I think it's a skill for performance. It's actually the performance that made me think that Mark is just the more interesting personality. And just in terms of like when we see him finally

break, you realize how tortured that character is, and I think I love that a little bit more than Oscar's portrayal of Stephen. Like, Mark is like a very, very interesting character because he's so flawed. He's seemed so much. And the way Oscar, like, switches on, that, like, I do agree. That scene was the best of the episode just in terms of me being like, Oscar Isaac's Mark is infinitely more watchable.

So obviously you guys know that I loved the suit. I love that. I'm really interested in seeing more movies. night in seeing more of his battle and seeing where all that shakes out. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Trimphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Trimphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks.

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sign storewide and everyday low prices on 365 brand items. Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods Market. Wait, can I ask you before we wrap up? This is just a question. This is more so for the first two episodes. What is it? And for larger for the MCU Disney Plus shows, are these shows starting to have like a CGI problem? Okay. So let me be honest with you. I know people don't like when I say that. I like seeing Moon Night in the suit.

I am not overly crazy about the look of the suit. The suit looks cool, but the suit is CGIed in a way that, like, for example, for some reason it works perfectly with Black Panther, it works perfectly with Iron Man. I thought they would have gone a more, Captain America route with like with him you know I thought they would I thought they would have gone a more Captain America route like kind of with the like with the suit or maybe a hybrid of the two things it does it did it did take me a little while to get used to it I had to watch it a couple of times to get used to the fact that that's kind of how he looks you know so I mean it started in the first episode for me where I think the album scene was really rough

when I was just like, oh, there were scenes in that where I'm like, oh, I don't actually know if this is all CGI'd. When like the guy was jumping to the truck, I'm like, that's a CGI body. When the logs were falling down, I'm like, oh, like, I can tell. And then once I

started seeing Mark's suit, I like the design in theory, but sometimes when it's moving, it takes me out of it, to your point, like, it doesn't when it's Black Panther. And that's a similar like covering with the white eyes. Or when it's Spider-Man. Or when it's Spider-Man, but sometimes when he's running, too,

you could tell that this is like a stunt man running in a costume. And then when it's a close-up, it's CGI again. And I don't know if that's like because it's a TV show, the budget per episode might not be where it is. But like I like the design of the suit in theory, but when it moves sometimes, I'm like, this needed a little bit more. Yeah, it's almost like the movies have infinitely more bigger budgets

than the television. That's really what it comes down to. I think, like, we talked about this a lot, a long time ago, but the jackals being invisible. It's a plot device, right? Like, you can't see consue. You can't see the jackals. They are only for Mark to add to, like, to save a buck. They add to his delusion, right?

Because even in the bus scene, they're like, what is wrong with this dude? He's fought, you know, but it's supposed to make it look crazy. But at the same time, save a little scratch, you know, on the, on the CGI budget. I guess that's the thing that I'm like, that makes me a little bit itchy is that you're starting to see it. Like when they weren't showing this jackals, I was like,

oh yeah, they were just like, hey, you either get Mark in the suit or you get the jackal. You all got to figure. Pick one. You got to go.

Look, when you watch, you know, seven seasons and ages of shield, man, you know. Oh, we know. Do you understand?

We know where you land on this. It's like, ah, you're going to have to make some, you're going to have to make some sacrifices. No, or I'm going to be honest with you. Superman and Lois.

Like, me and Kalika just don't pay attention to his suit. You just, you can't, you can't pay to the suit. But isn't that a little weird? Like, I guess it's because, like, I'm so used to, like, the MCU of it all seeing it in movies. I'm just like, oh, yeah, I have to do the thing that I do for, like, CW shows where I'm just like, oh, no, like, you just have to roll with you. I don't think you have to do it to that degree. I just think that it, it's not, it's not a, it's not a thing, but it's a little bit of it. I don't think you have to do it.

I mean, they put muscles in. the Superman suit and it just looks. You know what I'm saying? Like that's on a completely different level. Oh, it's not like CW level, but it is that same muscle of like, all right, I got to like let some shit slide. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you got to let it slide because, yeah, if you're like, man, this don't look like the movies. You know what we're not going to let slide? What is this time for dating corner van? It is. I don't know. So look, there was a party.

We have to talk about it. It's cool, Steve. Steve's got the final edit. It's cool. Steve's got the final edit. There was a party. Steve's birthday was this past weekend. And there were ladies there.

Okay. And Jomey has a date tonight. Oh, my God. Jomey, you got a date tonight? This is not what happened. Wait, why are you embarrassed? This is great. Are you guys going to watch Star Wars Rebels?

Because first of all, I'm almost done with Star Wars Rebels, by the way. I'm a dream. You like better or worse than Clone Wars? I like Clone Wars more because, you know, you know, those characters, you know, Anakin, you know, Obi-Wan, you know what I'm saying? But, like, the Rebels, like, that's family, bro. Canaan, uh, bro, bro, bro.

Canaan and Hara finally kissed last night, bro, I was. Spoiler alert. I mean, I've already seen Rebels. I've never been so happy in my life. I love my mom and dad. Um, well, okay, so back to the point at hand. So here's the thing, right? We're just going to like preface this.

Steve left me out to dry. right here. Steve, like, this was supposed to be a segment for both of us. Steve was like, hey, listen, we're not, we're not going to talk about me. If you talk about me, I'm going to edit this out. So now I got to, I got to eat it now. I got to eat this whole segment.

Steve has put his foot down in the Midnight Boys and finally othered himself because we all talk about all of our shit. Wow. And Steve has finally othered himself. I put my woman on this pot and subjected her to, by the way, You guys were very polite to my girl. I appreciate that. And subjected her to the midnight riders and the midnight mob.

And you guys tell me that you can't tell me about these funky-ass little dates that y'all going on. The people want to know. The people want to know what's going on. I'll tell the story. Jomey, tell the story. Tell me, Jomey. It's nothing crazy. I didn't even know if it was date, but so I went to Steve's party.

I got there late because, you know, I thought it was going to be a little, jumping, but they were playing cards at like 7.30. By the way, Steve, can I just, let me be honest, Steve. Oh, yeah, you're good. Here's where you can complain about K-town parking. That's fine. I love you, my guy. Like, you're one of my closest friends at the Ringer.

Like, you know, I'm never going to your place ever again. I ain't going to your place, bro. I got there like 720. I didn't get to his cramped until like 750 because I couldn't find parking. It's ridiculous. So let me say something. once we all got together at Steve's crib and after this we

after this we decided we're going to leave together and Steve's going to drive Jomi to his car which I would have done anyway which I did do last night yeah yeah he did he did like we drove for like five ten minutes like in the car

yes like in the car to find Jomi it's nuts and guess what Van it was farther this time it was farther Just a little bit farther. It's like half a block farther. It was nuts.

All right. So you're late. You're late. You're late. Show me to the party. They're playing cards. We do that. And then like a grip of people leave.

But then it's me, Steve, and these other girls. Right. And so I had it. It was like a PowerPoint part. I had it presented my PowerPoint. So I do my PowerPoint. Real fun. We get to talk and whatever.

And then I don't know what it was. We were talking about like being busy adults or whatever. And I was like, ah, you know, I got to go see everything everywhere this week, you know. And my man Steve, Steve can't go because, you know, Steve, he got a busy life, you know what I'm saying. Between all these podcasts and things like that. And so the home girl was like, hey, I could come if like, you know, if that's what you want to do. Like, we could go to this movie. I was like, that's so good to me.

Daddy, Daddy, and so yeah, we made plans and we're going to go see a. Everything everywhere, all at once tonight. So I'm excited. I'm really excited to see that movie because everybody's raming about it. So do you consider this to be a date? Yes or no? I'm going to say no. Because I'm going to say no.

You know, because here's the thing, right? And this is like, like, you know, real Nigerian stuff. Like when I invite my friends out, you know what I'm saying? Date or no date, I like to pay, right? Like, I'll foot the bill. You know, I don't, you know, I don't. what do you talk about? What have you?

What are you talking about? Have I ever invited you out, man? No, you, bro, bro, here's the thing. You've had plenty of times Jomi, you don't even pay for yourself. What do you talk about? I pay for the stuff. Yeah.

And I appreciate that. If I invite you out, if I invite you out, right, that's you invited me out. If I invite you out, I'll handle it. It's fine. Jomi's number one weakness, semantics. It's exactly. Exactly. Exactly. If it's me, you know what I'm saying? I have no problem, you know, paying for myself.

But Van took it upon himself to do it. So I appreciate that, man. Good looking out. I mean, all I'll say is Jomi, my young, beautiful Nigerian prince. I'm very proud of you. Right now, you're out here. You telling you're telling girls, I'm Jome the explainer. All right. You know who I'm is? Like, I expect it. Yeah, but like, you know, we, like, I pay for the tickets. She's like, you know, I got a venue with you back. I was like, it's cool. Like, it's really cool. Like, no matter what it is. what it is, bro. All right, Russell, well, seen goddamn. Like, shit. No, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, it's $19. Like, I'm not going to be sick over $19. But she insisted, so I hit it, so I hate it with the Vamo. Like, hey, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to make a big deal out about it. Like, send me the $20. Oh, so she said, she sent you the money? She sent me the money. You send me the money.

So I don't know her personality, but that can either, that either means it's 100% a date or it's 100% not a date. There's no in between. because with her personality, she could be saying, hey, I don't want you to think this is a date I'll pay you, or she could be being like, this is a date,

but I don't want you to think you got to carry me on it because I'm an independent woman. What does she do for a living? Do we know? I don't know if I want to give her date information. Let's not do that. Steve, you're so nervous.

Let's not do that. Steve, my friend. It's your friend. You're so nervous. Steve, let me ask you this then. Before we move on, are you happy that? one of your friends is going out with Jemmy.

Of course. There was a little pause there. No, no, really there's not. No. No, she was fun, though. Like, she was one of the people who was out there, like, really laughing and having a good time. She had great energy. So I was like, cool.

Like, it sounds good. Like, no matter what, friend, date, whatever. Like, she was a cool person I had with. So, like, no matter what, like. All right. Let's wrap. Well, first of all, like, I walked in there. And I was like, damn, Steve ain't got no colored,

friends out here. Damn, Steve. That's crazy. Wow, that's how we're in this. Christ. Steve. What the hell.

Joe. Yo. We are done. This is not. Steve. We are not dog following on Steve right now. Steve. Are you moon night?

That's Mr. Knight. It's grand Mr. Knight. It's grand. Night. Yeah. We're done. We're done. Jomey, have fun tonight.

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We are coming into a gauntlet of fandom. We keep saying this. This is actually, we've named this the gauntlet. Well, we're just going to be, we got the boys. We got Obi-Wan. We got multiverse of madness. We haven't even fucking talked about Halo on this show. It's a whole Halo show with bad costumes,

and we haven't discussed it not once on this podcast. We realize that there's a lot of Miss Marvel's coming. We realize that there's a lot of stuff coming. And there's only so many Midnight Boys, only so many podcasts. It's a delicate thing. We don't know all the time what we're supposed to be covering. We are been pretty loyal to Disney Plus right now. But I love the boys.

It's one of my favorite shows. As much, I love that show, as much as any show that's ever been on Disney Plus. I'll be honest with you. And it's in its third season, and it's going to be a great, violent, amazing, hilarious season. So we're going to ask for you guys' help in telling us what you want us to cover. We want to know what you guys are most interested in. We want to know what you guys care the most about because for us, we're here to serve the audience, but we're also here to do a podcast that reaches as many people in this space as possible.

So we're going to be talking about this in the next coming of weeks. We might even figure out a fun way to figure out what it is that we should be doing. And we're being serious. Like, when you guys hit us in the replies, we fucking listen. So you guys tell us like, this is absolutely you got to do all episodes about this. We will listen. We will take it into consideration. We want to make the gauntlet as fun for you and as fun for us as possible.

Now understand. If this means that like 40,000 of y'all hit us up and say that y'all want us to do episode, the first season of Buffy the Vampire, that's not going to happen. Shout out to Joanna. I'm not saying, like, don't let you let you let you let it. It's a good show. Don't get me wrong. It's a good show, but, you know.

We're talking about Obi-Wan, Miss Marvel, the boys. Like, keep it to that lane. We look forward. Yeah, looking forward. Producer credits. Our producer is Steve Almond Joy, the cuddly secret lover bear. I don't want to talk about his personal life. Jomi, the Explaner, Adirond.

Hashtag, good luck, Jomey, on social media. additional production from Arjuna Rob Gapal. Charles, please take us out. Guys, we appreciate your love. We even appreciate your hate. But today, I want to send a special good luck message to Jomi on his date.

I once had this friend. I'm not going to use these names because this was a very bad situation. I ever tell you guys the leather jacket story? Oh, no. Oh, boy. I never told you guys the leather jacket store? You guys want to hear it?

Yes, please. Sure. Please. Okay. So a friend of mine, let's say his name is Todd. Todd. Todd. Okay.

Another friend of mine, his name was Mike. Todd and Mike. Mike's girlfriend worked at Wilson's, the leather store. And so she got a discount on this jacket. She got discount on all the jackets And it was this jacket The jacket was very cool looking It was this tan leather type of color

Or whatever And so he bought it And everybody loved the jacket It was like the jacket from the Sopranos That Richie Appreel was going Everybody loved the jacket Everybody said oh my God This jacket is great

This jacket You know Mike has a jacket Todd wanted the jacket But we were in college So Todd didn't really have enough money to buy the jacket without the discount. That's been a good discount.

It was a very good discount. He didn't have enough money to buy the jacket without the discount. Okay. So what he ended up doing was asking Mike if he could use his girl's discount to buy the jacket. Mike said no. Say no. Okay. You jack my style.

You jack my style and try to go get the jacket that I have. You can't have this discount to go buy the jacket, right? Wait, wait, an important question. How closely were they friends in terms of like how much would they? They are best friends. So you would see them around each other all the time? All the time. We were all joined with him.

So why would you want to get an identical fucking jacket to his friend? They look like fucking idiots. This is our question. This is our question. It might be tight. No, you can't be like jacking someone's style like that. You can't jack my shit. I'm with Charles.

You can't, you can't jack. You can't jack my shit. And he didn't want him to, he didn't want him to, to, to, to have. Like, you, like, you're like, you're going to go buy the exact same jacket. Steve, Joe, you're not fucking tripping, bro. Y'all going to go buy the same jacket I got. You're going to go buy the same jacket. You can't buy the same jacket.

No, here's a difference. If he went to, went to the home boy, it was like, yo, like, I want a leather jacket. It won't be the same one as yours. Like, I just need something for a winner. Yo, can your girl help me out with the discount? Yeah, like, sure. like we're boys, cool. But the same exact jacket,

nah, that's the same jacket. So anyway, that's flagrant. So Mike said no, right? Remember, though, it's Todd's girlfriend who worked at the Wilson's. Todd's or Mike's girlfriend? It's Mike's girlfriend who worked at the Wilson's.

So Todd goes into the Wilson's and talks to his girlfriend. He goes into the Wilson's and he says, yo, yo, I want the jacket. Like, can I get the jacket? Like, you know what I mean? He's got to use your discount? And she's like, no, you know, Mike told me

don't give you the discount. And then, I'm serious. That's a true story. Like, this is a true story. He's a true story. They really not Todd's friends. They really not Todd's friends. She goes, she goes, Mike told me don't give you the discount.

He goes, what? Do you let this, control you? Oh, no. I promise you. I promise you. I promise you. No. I promise you.

I promise you. I swear to you. I swear to you. Wow. I swear to you. Like, you let this dude control you. You're going to do whatever he says. This is getting out of hand real quick.

You're going to do whatever he say. You're going to tell him, I want the jack. So this got word to us and we got back and we had to have a powwow as a crew. We have to be like, yo, bro, you can't do that, man. Tribal counsel for the- Yeah, but like, like, like, dog, you can't go and like to somebody's girlfriend and tell them and do this. This is, I say all this to say this. this is what Ethan Hawk was doing

when Kanshu was right there. Mark is walking around and he's saying, yo, you don't have to listen to him. He's been fucking with Kanshu. Kansu is his ex because he used to day Kahn.

No, no, all right. Yeah. Well, I'm in my wheelhouse right now, Steve. Sit up the side like a suit. Like a Lajuna. So this is what was happening in that scene and reminded me of that when I saw it. So we went and play the Van der's old thing or whatever.

I'll say I was with Todd until he started gaslighting. Now see, Joni and Steve were wrong from the beginning because here's the thing. As a friend, you don't just be like, I want the same. Like, come on. You can't do that. It's tight. By the way, by the way, I want the, I want the, the, the, the, the viewers to vote on that. Is it, who do you agree with?

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