The Ringer-Verse - 'Moon Knight’ Episode 3 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

The Midnight Boys return to break down their thoughts on the latest episode of 'Moon Knight.’ First, Charles serves up all the need-to-know in the Midnight Manifest (5:25). Later, they discuss what exactly are Moon Knight’s powers (45:30), before discussing Jomi’s dating life (1:08:00). Hosts: Van Lathan and Charles Holmes Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal and Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the House of R will be giving you their deep dives into the third episode of Moon Night. It's a whimsical third episode. It had a lot of whimsy to it. We're going to talk about it. The Midnight Boys are going to be giving you our instant reactions to the entire season of Moon Night. Now, it's an interesting situation in Midnight Boys right here.

We have to be honest. It's like, because I realized that I didn't finish watching all the four episodes that I didn't really get into, because we talked about Screener Gate. It's true because a lot of stuff was new in this episode for me. But after we have like a He Who Remains thing, you know, like at the end of Loki. Hmm. where there was a part in Loki. He Who Remain says,

we have crossed the threshold. Do you guys remember what the threshold was? It's too early. It's not early, Charles. I don't know what you're talking about. It's like we're on the same time zone. It's like fucking noon almost. What are you talking about?

What was the threshold, man? The threshold was the point where he who remains didn't know what was going to happen. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. See what I'm saying? Charles,

are you on cocaine again this morning? Like, wake up. Ah, that cocaine, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm super excited because this is the blackest the show has ever been. It's looking like an N-A-C-P meeting in here. But I'm talking about what Kermis right here? Yeah, it's looking like, well, I don't know. Like, some things that Jonathan was saying before you guys got here made me wonder about whether or not he would be invited to N-A-CP meeting.

Don't do this. Damn, Kerm, really? Yeah. Yeah, he was looking at that. He was like, I'm not going to lie. I saw what Mano said. I do the same thing. Oh, don't do that.

Come on now. Don't. Come on, come on. Girm. Here we go. Little Spidey Django. You're going to put him in the gulag with Mano and Druski.

Little Spite Jango. Wow. Kerm. Curm, look, we're into all kinds of weird things. Speaking of being into weird things with ladies, we got an update later on in this podcast, guys. Okay. Because Casanova.

a dinner on had his date. Oh, Jomey getting it in? We'll say that for the end of the pot. We'll say that for the end of the pot. Flavor of Jomi? Come on. Jomey, who are you giving a rose? Like, we're going to keep this, you guys,

this podcast is officially the what's had it with Jomey podcast. So what we're going to do is every once in a while, we're going to check back in on what's popping with Jomey. Now, ladies, lady listeners,

Midnight mistresses, Midnight Mavens. You know what I mean? Midnight maidens. All of y'all. Y'all see the guy right there is Jomey. Ladies loves them some Jomey.

Come on. Ladies love them some Jomey. This is going to be a jolly Jomey summer. Woo! Let's do it. Woo! J.J.S. We are

in these streets. It's springtime right now. Jomi's getting revved up. Christ of love. I can't wait. Y'all have been asking on the TikTok on the, in my mentions, how's the date?

So yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to it. All right, let's do it. On today's show, we're going to give you our thoughts on Moon night's third episode. We're going to talk about Jumby a little bit later, but let's get into it right now.

Of course, we have to give you the spoiler warning because you are here listening to a reaction podcast about something we've already seen, but you still need to be warned because you are genteel. Give it to him, Kermi. We're getting ready to talk about

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. And of course, to get into this episode and give you the need to know nobody can do that better than Coke Baby Chuck. He's going to hit you with the Midnight Manifest for episode three. Take it away, Charles. Kerm?

Oh, you want to hear the music for this? My fault, my fault. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Kerm. I haven't, no, I haven't ready, but I didn't know y'all actually wanted to hear that live. That's on me.

That's all me. You know what, man. I got you, I got you. You know, my man, I'm, I'm. Yeah, I'll play it. I'll play it. No, no.

No, no, we're playing. No, no, we're playing. No, you get to. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. All right, before I get started,

Kerm is definitely like, your black cousin who you like, I'm going to get you the job. But like, come on. Like, don't embarrass me. He's just fucking up. Like, come on, girl. We're all waiting to do the manifest, cur. We got to do the fucking manifest, cur.

It's part of the show. He's got it. All right. The Midnight Manifest for episode three, the friendly type, directed by Bohame Deeb, written by Bo DeMio, Peter Cameron,

and Severe Pazada. In this episode, so Lela gets a fake passport who travel to Egypt to find Mark? The Gold Scarab points Harrow to where Ahmed is buried. Mark is in Cairo and fights a group of Harrow's thugs in search of Amet's tomb. But when Mark is unsuccessful, he asks Conchu, why the hell don't they just ask the gods to stop Harrow? Conchow performs an eclipse to bring a meeting of the Enead together. Yatsal, the avatar of Hathor, the goddess of music and love, greets Mark.

Her and Conchu go way back. The avatars of the Egyptian gods arrive and threatened Conchu, with imprisonment in stone if you ever messes with the moon like that. Again, it's revealed that Conchu was banished by the gods for almost exposing them, but Conchu claims the gods abandon humanity and he doesn't give a shit.

Harrow is brought before the court and wins his argument against Mark and Conchu. Yatzel tells Mark to search for Send Fu sarcophagus, which has the location of Amet's tomb. Mark and Lela reunite, and she takes him to Mogart's, the current owner of the sarcophagus. Mark asked Stephen to help him solve the cartilage,

puzzle in the sarcophagus, which will lead them to Amet. Paro arrives to entice Margar, and the fight ensues with his men who use El-Mirma spears against Moon Knight. And for those of you who are wondering, I look this up. The Smithsonian Magazine tells us this is the oldest fencing competition in the history of Egypt on horses, young men of Upper Egypt, especially in the region south, gather annually to showcase their abilities of fencing while riding on horses. The more you know, Lela and a Mark escape, but Lela asked about the lies

Harrow says Mark is keeping from her. They go to the desert. Stephen solves the puzzle, but to get it to work, Conchu has to move back the night sky two thousand years so they know exactly where Amet is buried. Contchu is imprisoned for this act. And Harrow, and harrow, gloats and gloats, that is old enemy is now in prison.

And that has been your midnight manifest for episode three. Charles, thank you, Kerm, for playing the music. We appreciate that. That was very sweet of you to do what we do. on every podcast. Charles, what are your instant reactions to episode three of Moon Night?

I think this episode had my favorite fight of the entire season so far. I think this is the first time we really, really got to see what Moon Night was capable of. But I'm starting to get that feeling that I had for most Disney Plus shows

where you get to the halfway point of the season. And you kind of start wondering, you're like, they have a lot more story to tell how are they going to feel? fit it all within the context of the next three episodes. And I think a pacing issue has always kind of been my biggest pet pee with these shows is I'm

just like, damn, like, when are we going to get to the meat and potatoes of it? And I thought also an interesting artistic decision that they made is that at the end of this episode, Conchue is imprisoned in stone. So we don't, like, Mark does not have the suit anymore. And I was like, that's a very interesting thing to do. in episode three because we haven't gotten that much moon night. So what you're basically telling the audience is, you're like, all right, that's all you're going to get for a while now.

Mark is going to have to go this alone. And I don't know if that is the decision I would make. But what did you think of this episode? So I liked this episode. I liked it. You know what I mean? I liked the episode. I thought it was good.

I, this is an episode to where I settle into. So I think we go at this in a fundamentally different way. So I start off with a show Maybe not fundamentally different I started off with the show and I'm like Oh the show is going to be this The show's going to be that I have expectations Like anyone else has expectations of a show

Then at some point I settle into This is what the show is And once that happens I start appreciating the show for what it is And not what I thought it was going to be If it's good Now if it's whack You know what I mean

If it's whacked then I don't do that You know what I mean? And there are other times that I've done that and really liked the movie. And other people have hated the movie. Like that movie, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I love that movie. I don't know why. And like, everybody else was like, yo, it's terrible. I thought that was kind of cool.

You know what I mean? Like, I had no problems with it. You know, got Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and all that shit to fucking picture of Dorian Gray. Whatever. And so I'm into it. So I've settled into kind of what Moon Knight is. The show really isn't about Moon Night. It's not about the character of Moon Knight as far as seeing him kick out.

as a superhero vigil as a vigilante. As of yet, that's just not what the show is. The show is a trippy psychological journey that combines all of these elements of the MCU that are pretty novel to the audience.

And in doing that, you have to fall into it. And I think it's compelling enough to fall into it. This episode gave us some moon night. But I would argue that the moon night that we got in this episode wasn't the best part of the episode.

It was cool. Oh, I disagree. That to me was the best part of the episode. That was when I was locked in. I mean, I said this in Batman. I think a lot of the listeners got honest for Batman in terms of like, I think that's either you love it or you hate it movie. And I said when we were reviewing Batman,

I'm just like, there is a part of Batman where if you're not in on the mystery, you're just not going to like that. That's the barrier to entry. You don't care about the mystery underpire. all of this, you'd be like, fuck this movie. I think Moon Knight is a little bit similar where it's like, to your point, to me, it is a very, very

mysterious show about like who is this character, how many personalities does he have, how does he figure out this world, and your mileage on the show is going to vary based on how much you are invested in that central mystery. See,

I understand that. I don't know that I see the parallel, and it's a good point. I don't know that I totally agree because this show has a lot of stuff. Like, first of all, I like Egypty shit. I don't know. I've always liked it. I liked Egypty shit.

They started me on Egypty shit when I was a kid with the Ten Commandments, which wasn't very black, you know, a lot of white people being Egyptian. And no, no, no Arabs, you know, it's like a lot of different people, you know, whatever. And so since then, you know, Egypti shit. shit is cool. You know, I fucked with Stargate. You know what I mean? Like all of that stuff. And so there's

a degree of intrigue. This show has a slight Indiana Jones element to it. A slight, I it's overt. Like, especially in this episode, it feels very, very much in homage to like Indiana

Jones and those type of movies. I'll be honest with you. Those movies are pretty good. Okay. We're going to get back to that, but can I just say really quick before I forget, talking about being really into Egypty shit? You know who Conchu is in this episode? Who?

Conchut. Conchu is definitely like the Hotep of like the gods. He's like, he's like in the middle. He's like, we was kings. Like he's telling like, all the white gods are just like, no, you got to chill, Conchu. By the way, I had an issue with that scene. I felt I'm looking at that scene. I'm like, yo, man. Why is the white avatar?

White-ass avatars, bro. I was like, what? Like, bro, you know, help me out with that. No, they had a sister. They had a dark skin sister on the side, but I'm like, why they had a darkest? You, wait, they marginalized her in North Africa.

Like, you mean to tell me not even the African gods pick us? Damn. It's rough out of you. It's tough. It's rough out of me. What the fuck is going on in your, in, in, in, What, Jomi, Jomi, Jomi is African. Like, like, sub-Saharan African, yes.

Sub-Saharan African. So is Kerm, by the way. Oh, okay. Also, Fx. Girm, I thought, Kerm is from, because Kerm always, Kermm doesn't claim it, though. Kerm claims Boston. Kerms, that's so bad. That's so bad.

That's so bad. Let me tell my story. Right. Let me tell my story. You don't tell your story. My dad, he lives in Ghana. My mom is from Tennessee. I grew up in Boston.

So it's complicated. But I say I grew up in the Boston area. That's it. It's not complicated. It's not complicated. Jomi, Jomey be around this bitch wearing all kinds of traditional garb. You see it.

You leave this, like, Jomey, you leave this nigga, Kerm. You like, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. You like one of these, you're the reason why they picked white avatars, bro. Shut the fuck up, man. You're the honest with you. You're the reason why they picked them. Um, I'm being serious. I'm joke out.

I'm joking, but it was a little weird. It was like it threw me off a little bit. Joby, what did you think? It threw me off a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I was a little weird. It was a little weird. Now that you mention it.

Because that dude was real like, and he wasn't like a name, like at least as far as I know, wasn't like a named actor or somebody like that we should keep an eye on in terms of like, oh, we knew that guy from this and this. It was just a dude. And so you could have picked a brother or sister. to do that. You know what I was like? Across the board.

The weird thing about it is like, you know, you used to go to like Catholic, like school and shit like that. So when I go home, my grandparents would have like black Jesus everywhere. Like there'd be black Jesus. When I go to school, like Jesus would be white. Everybody else would be white. And I'm like, hmm, somebody's lying here.

And that was a moon night episode for me. I'm like, damn, we can't get a black Jesus. We can't get like representation. I got sent home from religious school for telling, for calling them liars. Of course you guys. I was like, my father was as ashamed as he's ever been. He's like, how you can sit home from God? Yeah.

Boy, what is wrong with you? How did you ever think about yourself, son? How you can sit home from God? Yeah, that's crazy. If you Google a picture of Horace, he's like definitely like dark skin. It's nuts. That's wild. Jomi, what did you, I was interested in what you think.

What do you think about Charles's take about the show itself? What are your thoughts on that? I'm with you, Van. I think once you understand, like, all right, this show isn't exactly about Moon Night's about Steve and Stephen and Mark trying to, like, figure their stuff out with, you know, Conchu and Layla. Then you're like, okay, man, we had a good time, you know? Like I said in the first episode, when we're asking, like,

how much Moon Night do we need to get? I was like, I don't need that much Moon Night. Like, I'm good for, like, a Moon Night scene here and Moon Night scene there because the story is really about Stephen and Mark. and how that progresses. And I think there was, like, a big leap in this episode. And I think we'll talk about it later in the episode. But when Mark just was like, hey, Stephen, take control.

I need you. Like, do this. That's a huge moment. That's a big moment for that. I'm going to need y'all to, like, Kerm, can you play stop the cap? We'll give you five seconds. Oh, Kerm. Yes.

Set it up. Oh, Kerm. Oh, he was on. Just out. Here's what I think. Like, we can't, yo, we can't fake the funk. The entire time, Spider-Man, No Way Home was coming. We was like, if they ain't three,

Spitties in it. I don't know. It's going to be pretty, it's going to be shit. Like, we need three Spotties. So every week y'all being like, hey, it's going to Moon Night, but it really isn't about Moon Night and that's okay. Like, come on, yo. What an impotent point? That point was like a 75-year-old man with No Viagra. What an impotent point? What? Like, like, are you nuts? You literally, you really like, if there's not, if there's not three Spirroman in this movie, Charles, you can't just be like, oh, it's called Moon Knight, but there's not Moon Knight in it, so it's all right. Wagon, Chuck Wagon,

are you going to compare a movie with as much anticipation as Spider-Man No Way Home had, with as much backstory as Spider-Man No Way Home had? Spider-Man had been in like six MCU films. The movie was the culmination, actually a three-picture arc origin story. We didn't even know that, right? And do you have three actors, different universes?

You're going to compare that to Moon Knight, a character that we're first meeting for the first time? If the show is called Moon Night, then a base assumption is I'm like, oh, the show is going to be about Moon Night. You guys been like, it's okay. It's not about Moon Night. Mark and Stephen are Moon Night. I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell.

By the way, how much he's been in this series. You know what I want? I want, this is why I want one of the Midnight Riders or the Midnight Mob to do. I want you guys to listen. I want you guys to go through and you don't have to do this for all the superhero movies. I want you to pick a couple of superhero movies. And I want to see if I can get an average. If someone can provide me, I'll big up you on the next podcast if you do this.

If you can provide me with an average of screen time that we normally get from a hero and a superhero movie. And then compare it to what we've gotten from Moon Night. Ooh, that's a nice challenge. That's a nice challenge. Compare it to and see where we're off on this because we don't feel like we're getting as much Moon Night. And it's bothering Charles. Okay, so Layla comes back. We get, the episode starts with Layla making, or Layla being helped to make a fake passport,

which was very interesting to watch, by the way. They're making a passport right there. I thought that was a cool little scene. With Lagaro, okay? Did your perception of Layla change at all during this scene, or by the end of the episode, it seemed like we got a lot more insight into who she is and into her emotional core. I felt for her in this episode. They didn't see a little something developing.

There's something happening. Layla is, Layla is, we'll talk about this after we get this. There's something happening in this episode, though. Go ahead, Steve. I will say my perception of. Steve, go ahead, Charles. Damn, I know I'm light skin, but damn, I don't look like Steve.

You miss him, huh? You kind of miss him. But, yo, my perception of Layla didn't change because we kind of knew very, very early on death. Conchu was interested in her, which made me think, I'm like, oh, she has skills. She, she's trained in a way that, like, if Mark isn't here, she's just as capable, if not more of a fighter, of a person of the world as Mark is. So this was just kind of confirmation of like, oh,

she's been around, whether it is her ability to make these fat, big passports. It seems like she's kind of been like a Robin Hood type figure. She's, like, taken, um, she's taking all of those aunties, all that shit from white people and giving it back to her people. And then taking a little shit to the side. I was like, okay, Layla, I see you. All right, down with the white man. I like that shit. Like, I like Layla.

She would be an amazing moon night, though. Like an amazing moon night. You like hers, Moon Night. I think it's interesting that there are certain lines and shows, and there's a fantastic line in this show later. There's a line in this show later that is on par with. My favorite line from the MCU television show. What is love? What is grief, if not love, prescifering.

I know you love that one, Charles. Ooh, this, who this? Ooh, this, you're a robot. I think Layla, what's the star of this episode? Yeah, definitely. I think she grounded it. I think we saw how capable she was in a tense combat situation. I think she was the emotional grounding.

I think watching how cold Mark is to her told us more about Mark than almost anything else we've learned about Mark Specter in the show. There's a reason why Mark is so cold and keeps her at an arm's length. It's because he knows that Conshu is waiting over the shoulder to take her. All right. The contrast between Mark and Stephen is that Stephen can't help but be a slave to his feelings. Like, Stephen doesn't have the control that Mark does. He doesn't really yet understand the state.

stakes and he's been lonely. He's thinking with his little moon night, if we're going to be honest. He's thinking with his seat, you're such a deviant. What? I wish there were internals here to police you. You're such a deviant. You're such a deviant. Is he not thinking with his little moon night?

He's not thinking with his little moon night. By the way, if I was him, I'd be pissed off at that. You don't call my moon night little. You don't know. You know what I mean? But he's thinking, I'd say more with his heart. he's thinking about the fact that he hasn't really had human connection like that. He lives a very tough life as far as that's concerned.

So watching and Layla hasn't had that either. Layla hasn't had that real human connection. She hasn't had that because Spector is all business and Spector is also trying to protect her. He's all business. He's trying to protect her and they have not been able to get that done. So I watch those little things in this episode watching. those little kind of embers burn it was very compelling

to me, especially from Layla's character because I helped round her out, Jomi, what you got? Well, I loved it. Like, we get to explain that, or we get to hear you know, her whole deal. And then

the relationship we has with the lady who's making the passports, like obviously they have a past. She knew her father. Right. Her mom, maybe? Her mother? I don't know. I think about it. I don't know. I think about it was like a old family grandmother-a-old figure I felt like it

but I didn't it was hard you know because no because she said something to the effect of like I'm surprised that your dad

allowed me to teach you all this stuff which I was like that isn't something that like a mom would say to a daughter it wasn't like what an aunt or grandmother would say

well yeah of course it is I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility but I don't know if a mom needs permission to teach her daughter son yeah

that's not see I don't look in my home, my mom gave me my first joint. Okay. I was 15. My mom was like, smoke on something like this. Oh, damn. Shit.

Your mom's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about bone thugs and harmony. And bone thugs and harmony. My mother was, my mother had, so real quick, my mother had taken my bone thugs auto war CD.

And I'm like, yo, I want my fucking music back. You know what I mean? And she's like, they're talking about smoking. weed on this a lot. I'm like, yeah. She's like, do you smoke weed? I was like, no, stop, stop deflecting. Give me my CD back.

Like, you've been had my shit for too long. And she, she then said, do you want to try it? I'm like, yeah. And so I smoked with her, and my dad was pissed off. Wait, did your dad not smoke weed? He didn't want anybody.

No, he did. But, like, he was very, He was pissed off. So I'm saying in that situation, that's a situation that I think my mom, my dad would have appreciated my mom getting his permission before she introduced me to Elarifa Madness. A strong black woman don't need permission from no man.

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You don't, you get Stephen as like an annoying gnat like in this episode trying to get control of Mark until we realize at the end of the episode that there's specific areas

of expertise that we need Stephen for. We need them. The dynamic changed a little bit. Yo, I thought that this episode just has more forward momentum when Mark is in the seat because Mark is so capable. I think this,

where this is where Oscar Isaac is in his bag when he's like the super capable semi-charming person where he can just smolder on screen

where it's like Steven he's he's help help us he needs Layla's help a lot he's flailing around with this Mark is just like all right

you're about to get shit done but this was in the first episode I was complaining I'm just like how did who asked out this very very

attractive woman doesn't she know that this is this was not the same man. And we get a little hint that there's a third personality, potentially a Jack.

Oh, we don't get a hint. I feel like it's directly stated that it wasn't Mark directly states that I didn't do this. And Stephen's saying, I didn't do this. And so there's no hint. I feel like this episode was the debut of the third personality. I mean, we don't see, I don't know if we see them

on screen, but it definitely seems like this person, Mark and Mark and Stephen have a similar, if not identical moral compass. And in this episode, the third personality seems willing to cross it, where it's like he'll kill a kid.

He doesn't give a fuck. You feel like Mark and Stephen have an identical moral compass? No, I said they, similar but not identical. Similar but not identical. But I think Mark and Stephen, like Mark will go farther than Stephen, but you notice that Mark is just like,

I'm not going to kill a kid. Like that's he instead of punching the kid, he slaps him. So you realize then he does have a line that he doesn't want to cross. Where it's like the third personality seems like he has no line. He's going to kill whoever. Stabbing people. Stabbing people, whatever. You know?

Stab somebody. Blood everywhere. A lot of blood. MCU blood. We could do a whole podcast on it. Blood in the MCU. Blood and MCU. I think we could.

You know why? Thanos's head gets chopped off. Not as much blood as there should have been. Little blood spatter. Should have been more blood. I mean, Disney Plus just got in trouble for editing out Falcon and the Winter Soldier blood scene where people got really pissed.

Like, oh, you guys are, you guys are messing with shit. I was actually, I thought the fight scene was very, very funny because it was like the PG version of a fight scene where I'm just like, there's knives out here. Like, where is it?

They should be gushing blood out of shit. Come on. Um, so because we're jumping, that chase scene was interesting from the uh it's funny to me that Stephen takes control and all of a sudden he's on his way to the airport he's like I'm getting the fuck out of here

he's like I'm not fucking around with this he's like and then he leaves the mark stiffs the guy doesn't pay him what did you what did you guys feel about that as an action set piece as a psychological story point to push the action for because that was kind of the meat of the middle towards the beginning of the episode. Jemmy, what did you learn from the rooftop fight and the street chase?

What do you think they wanted us to learn? What did you learn? Well, we learned that, you know, we learned that Mark isn't, like, as, like Charles said, isn't as ruthless as he thought he was. He slapped the hell out of that kid. He, like, was ready to punch him. And was like, ah, he's little, he's like 16 smack.

And I thought it was interesting to see the reverse of the Stephen Mark switch. Right. Usually we see, you know, Stephen spazing and then turning to Stephen again, be like, what? There's a gun in my hand. And now we see the opposite where Mark was ready to fight those dudes.

He, you know, wakes up and he's in a cab ready to leave. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to see the flip side of that was really important. But like you said, like the meat and potatoes of that part was just like seeing Mark with the bloody knife and two dead guys around. like, I didn't do this.

And Stephen's like, I didn't do this. So we're looking, I, I mean, I don't think there's any question. We're looking at Jake Lock. Jake Lockley stepped in right there. Wait, so my question, too, is, have they presented a story reason yet? Why Mark doesn't use the suit in a, in a situation like that? Well, Mark doesn't need to use the suit. Mark is, like, you know, a specialist.

He's a mercenary. He's been trained to fight. You know, I'm not going to say his whole life, but, you know, from pretty, like, from his teenage years, basically. Like, that's what he does. So, like, you don't need to be Moon Knight when you're fighting, like, strangers. I mean, if I got the Moon Night suit, I'm using that shit. So I guess the question would be, I guess to Charles's point, the question is, have the stakes been properly set for when the Moon Knight suit is needed? Because I'll be honest with you.

And this is going to go back to something I wanted to talk about. A lot of times in shows when heroes have, um, an ultra-ego or especially like a face-covering costume, you see them fight out of their costume at some point. You know what I mean? You see them fight as their alter ego at some point. We didn't see much Batman in the Nolan run fighting as Bruce Wayne once he got the Batman suit. Normally, if he was getting busy, it was as Batman.

Anytime those situations. So it is an interesting. situation, if I'm comparing him to Batman, to know when he feels like he needs to conjure the suit and when he feels like he can just do it on his own. And I want the last thing I'll say about that, it is an interesting point because there's something I call the Matrix Threshold. And I'll tell you what this is real quick. The Matrix Threshold is how much we should expect an Hollywood actor to be able to be believable in fight scenes. They knew that the kung fu and the Matrix was an incredibly important part of the story.

So what they did was put those motherfuckers in boot camp to where by the time it was time for them to execute the martial arts on the screen, Carrie Ann Moss, Keanu Reeves, and Lawrence Fishburn could all do martial arts. They all had distinct and individual styles. they all had different ways of selling it and that made the Matrix and took it to the next level. It is a precarious situation when you have somebody like Oscar Isaac's

fighting who is not a practitioner of martial arts. It can look a little corny sometimes and I'll be honest with you. In the fight scene when he's not in the suit, I don't feel like it was very believable. And I know that Oscar Isaac, Oscar Isaac, he trained hard for it. I saw him doing.

it, but that's not what he does. And I wonder in a situation like that, if you're going to have him, and I know he was actually trying to get information, which is one reason why he might have not turned into Moon Night right there, because he's, you know, he needs to, like, interrogate people. And I don't know. So, but it wasn't,

Oscar Isaac is not martial artist. So you wonder how close to that do, do you get, like how much do you want to see him fighting if it's not going to be awesome looking at him fight? I mean, the thing I think that you brought up that thematically that we're missing is you take Spider-Man. Sometimes you wonder like, all right, when will he use his power?

When will he won't? One of the best things that happens in his comic books and in movies is the web fluid is expensive. So when he runs out of money, he can't be swinging around the city because he can't afford to make enough web fluid. There's a threshold thematically of like, oh, this teaches you something about the character. There's a lot of superheroes where it's just like, oh, they can only use this power for a set amount of time and then it's going to disappear. When I was watching this fight, I'm just like, is there a threshold, an energy threshold, a magic threshold of there's only so much he can use the Moonnight suit. And to your point, when I was watching the fight, I was like, hmm, like some of the fight scenes when it's just Oscar Isaac's fighting don't look as good as when he's in the sun.

suit, which does a weird thing with your brain because you're like, technically it's supposed to be the same person in the suit, but it doesn't look like. You know what I mean? Joe, me shaking his head. I mean, I really, I don't know. I mean, I, well, I agree with Van and say, like, Oscar Isaac, you know, he, you know, he's doing his best, but it's not like, he's not out there looking like, you know, professional. I'm in my fighter. I don't think it, like, ruins it at all. I don't think, like, it's not distracting to you. It's not distracting. And for the suit conversation, Like, you know, it's during the day, you know, I think for the most part, he only uses it when at night.

He's at night when the moon's out. And when, like, he's fighting people who like understand like the, you know, the mystical, you know, moon stuff. I mean, that's not fair because Contchu does do a whole ass eclipse in the middle of the day. That is weird. Like, here's the thing. Contu doesn't give a fuck. He's just like, I'll fuck up the whole sky. That's the day.

That's consue, you know, Mark. Gonshu, yeah, but like, I mean, that's like, there are differences, right? Right. Mark is, you know, a little more, like, a little more subtle than Conshu is. So it'd be, you know,

kind of weird during the day that'd be a dude in all white, you know, moon costume. In Egypt, right, just going rooftop to rooftop, that draws a little more attention than what Mark would want, I think. I don't know. You could have fool my black ass, like, shit. Does it? And question, we're going to sound like,

the dunce caps of nerddom. In comic book lore, does Moon Knight ever fight during the day? I mean, part of his, does he? Does he fight? Does he fight? I'm asking. I don't know. He fights when he fights whenever. Like Moon Knight Moon night, don't get the shit.

You like that motherfucker. You like Moonnight. You love him. In the comics, yeah, like, you don't get a fuck. He's going to fight. He's not Batman. So, we go back to, we talked about this. We go to the pyramid. It's a pyramid of Giza, is a fucking fantastic. I love that that we went in there. Everything that was going on with Conshu to me

was so mystical and interesting. Charles, you weren't like swept up into the lore of this when Conchu blots out the sun, when Conchew, excuse me, conchew turns a night when the avatars pull Conchew into the pyramids of Geisen and it's all sent around.

That shit wasn't like super hyper cool to you? I mean, I think the concept is very cool when they were talking about, they're going to meet all the gods. I was like, all right, this is cool, this is cool, this is cool. And then my mind immediately went to. I'm just like, oh, shit, we're going to actually get to see the gods.

Like, the gods are going to be standing behind their avatars in the same way that Contchu does. And when I didn't see that, I was just like, oh, I get budgetary reasons why. But I think from my mind, what I wanted to see is I'm like, who are the gods that are standing next to these people and why did they pick the person that is their avatar? what about these people attracted the gods to them? And I just wanted to see that.

Did your mind not go to be like, damn, like I want to know what Yatul's God looks like. What does the goddess of music and love look like? Because like it seemed like my conscience was tapping that. I really need to know what the God looked like. I want to know what the God's look like. Yatzo was enough for me, baby. Okay, the goddess of music and love.

All right, she was enough for me. she she like by the way I picked up some vibes I picked up some vibes between her and Conchu that like just tapping that ass back in the day Jesus Christ what is this death row records nigga

what the fuck is this like what are you talk what are you talking like tapping that ass is it 96 you're like what are you like we've moved on past that we've moved on past these types of

colloquialisms Charles I don't know why you would say What's wrong? Asces need to be tapped. It's fine. Whatever. So, um, there, Conchu was put on trial before everyone. Harrell comes out. I'm not a lie.

Harold makes a fucking fool of Conchu. All right. Can we, we have to talk about this scene. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. This was the worst. Like, I'm just like, did you have, Conchu, did you have no plan for the court team?

Like, he's yelling like an angry black man. Like, he just like, rah! And I'm just like, that part sucked. I'm not going to lie. The part where, the part where, uh, like Mark has to become Conchu and speak. They kept doing that. That part sucked, man.

I didn't like that, bro. That was a little disjointed for me. That was a little bit off-putting for me with him screaming. I just don't know why he was yelling because we, when Conchua will talk to Mark sometimes, sometimes he'll just talk in a normal register voice. So him yelling through Oscar Isaacs while the other gods are just talking normally, it just kind of threw me off. And that's another thing when I was talking about,

I think that scene would have worked if you actually see Conchu next to Mark being himself. Because it's just, it's a little wonky. And I think the scene was wonky to me as well because I'm like, Contra doesn't have any strategy on how to win this kind of battle. He's telling Mark that the gods don't like me. They banished me. So why would he walk in there thinking being really, really angry? he really, really pissed off, is going to win them over to his side.

I think it was important in that scene to actually learn something about Conchu, that Conchu was probably the most flawed out of all of these gods. And being that he's so flawed, that means that even though Conchu is essentially tantamount to our protagonist, this is going to be a tough battle because there's a lot of things up against them, not just whatever nefarious thing Harrow is cooking up, but also the fact, think of it like quigong gin like quigong gin like he

he wasn't just it should have been an easy road for quigon jen to do the shit that he was doing but the problem was that he had a fucked up relationship with the Jedi council who anyone should have a fuck up relationship with him because the Jedi are all fucked up but he had a fucked up relationship with the Jedi council he was a

rebel he was a loner and anyone else that would have found this kid wouldn't have trained him in the first place because he was past what he needed to be trained, right? He was like, there was something dangerous about it. But it had to have been Quigon Jin to give depth and shape to our story because there's conflict in that character. Conshu is almost like the Quigon of the council of the gods.

He's the one that does whatever he thinks he needs to do. Without them, he's the one that they're always hard coming down on, not quite the same way that, because Jen was still a very respected Jedi, It seems like Conchus was a little bit more of an outcast. But it kind of lets us know that he's not just up against Harrow. He's up against his perception amongst his peers. If you take that one step further, too, Conchu tells them you've forsaken, you know, humanity.

And that's exactly what Quigon was trying to say, is that the Jedi Council was so inept that they had distanced themselves from the galaxy. People didn't respect them anymore. They almost feared them because they weren't of the people. And it seems like as angry and... you know, off-putting his consue is, he might be the only God

who still wants to protect humanity, while the other gods are like, humanity's forsaken us, they don't give a fuck about the gods, we're just here to witness whatever happens to them fucking happens. I think Conschus

like whole thing is, I mean, and we mentioned this, he is the outcast, right? So when you get put back in that box with all your old partners, that don't really rock with you no more, you're going to be off kilts a little bit. And so when he's seen it, he saw the homies, he was, he was mad.

He was getting his, you know, he was not like, his emotions were not held in check. So, like, I think it was, I think it made sense while he was like super mad and super da-da-da. But in that whole scene, and I watched, I watched six seasons of how to get where to murder, right? Fiala Davis, great actress, fantastic. It's courtroom drama. A lot of things happen. I think this scene in Moonnight was the worst courtroom scene

I've ever seen in Montaile. My man, Harrow was out there just like talking real sweet and the gods were like, yeah, man, I hear you. It makes sense, even though like, all Mark can do is like, go look where he's at right now. And go, like, he's literally digging

at her gravesite right now if we just follow him back. But I think, and we see this at the end of the episode, when Herald goes back to the tomb he's talking to, oh boy. You know what I'm saying? So maybe they got a little thing on the side. That's why he got off so easy.

You know, because it's, it would have been real easy to prosecute. I don't know. It's just like, Mark is just a really bad, really bad prosecutor. But this is how they do, you know, the two white dudes are trying to make my man, Oscar Isaac and in Conchew, are black kids look crazy out here.

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and was just gone. Yeah. That's fine. I mean, I think his powers are simple. It's whatever the plot dictates. It's whatever the plot needs. I mean, at this point, I will say that Kansu does say that it's like a healing suit.

So I get what they're trying to say is that, like, if Mark is wearing this suit, it seems like it gives him healing abilities and it makes him impervious to a certain amount of damage. But we are three episodes. in and I'm still kind of like, I don't actually know what this suit is capable of. If it's completely magic, like how much of it is magic,

how much of it is Mark's skill as a mercenary. Like, because it's, we see, if you just give the suit to Stephen, it does not have the same capabilities. So I'm still kind of waiting on like, what does this suit actually do? Yeah, he also gets impaled a bunch of different times. And it doesn't seem to bother him, I guess the suit is taking care of that and helping them.

So I don't think we're going to get, and here lies maybe a point for Charles about the fact that we're not getting as much Moon Night. I don't think that we are, so I don't think that the suit itself, I don't think that we're getting enough Moon Night fighting stuff for us to really get a concrete definition on what the suit can and cannot do. And so because of that, when we do get Moon Night Fighting, we're sort of uninitiated to like what the suit can do. But I think as we get more Moon Night Fighting,

which I have to imagine there'll be more throughout the rest of the season, they're probably going to give us a whole five and six chalk full of moon night madness. You know what I mean? So being that that's going to come, I think we're going to have a better understanding of what it actually can do. Can I also ask you the last thing on his powers? I think the power scaling is also a little bit off because we see him in the first two episodes

fighting this very, very strong, spiritual, like, jackal. And in this, he's having a lot of issues with a couple of goons with spears. And I'm just kind of like, this seems like it should be light work for you. Charles, he got impaled, like a couple times. He has a magic suit that deflects bullets and can, like,

unlimited little moonarangs or whatever you want to call them. I just want to know what his power scaling is. I would imagine that jackal that he fought in the first episode or two would have killed these motherfuckers, like very, very easily. Like very, very easily. Yeah, one jackal, right, against like six dudes with spears. You know what I'm saying? One guy hits you, he got stuck.

The other guy's like, oh, easy target, boom. The other guy gets you in the hand. The fact that he, you know, didn't die, I think, is a pretty, all right. So he can't die when he's in the suit. We also. I don't know, man. Five or six goons. Like, my man, Robert Patty was just like,

blah, blah, blah, bad. Like, not with Spears, man. Had Spears. They had Spears. They had Spiers. They had knives. They had knives. They had knives.

It's different. I mean, look, it, obviously the suit, the, obviously the suit puts him in a position to where he is incredibly capable and formidable. We've seen,

we saw that. Shit got gully. for those guys over there when the suit was put on. And but still, though, it is sort of, we don't really know what the suit is capable of. We don't really know. We're not, we're not sure yet. It's, you, you, you disagree, Joan.

Well, I think you can, you know, I think you want, like, an explanation or some, like, the show to, uh, to tell you, but I think it's, it's showing you. Like, for example, like, part of the reason why Mark, like, doesn't want to go to Layla, right? Consch was like, I've, she's, you know, a great option. So

Conshu picks his avatars based on their like skill set, right? So we know Mark is very capable. Like the suit doesn't make you like a cool fighter or whatever. Like you have to be that when you get the suit. Really all it does is give you like he said a magical healing.

Right. So you can't really die. No, but it gives you super strong. We know that. Yeah, because in the first episode when Steve when Steve's in the Mr. night suit and he grabs a bumper, it's, it crushes the bumper. You know what I'm saying?

So we know it gives you super. And that's my thing. The fact that we forgot about that shows they haven't demonstrated it enough for that to stick in your mind because it happens so quickly, you're just like, oh shit, this does give you super strength. I think it's definitely show not tell. They're not going to like break it. It's not like a, there's no Alfred in the back head.

It'd be like, all right, well, oh, Batman. Your suit has, you know, now this. They're just going to continue to show us with this. what the suit does. I'll also say, though, Batman doesn't always, I mean, sometimes Batman will go to Fox or he'll go to another tech person

and they'll lay out sort of a new piece of tech, right? A new gadget or something. Or they'll just talk about what Batman wants to do and then we'll see it on screen. But most of the time, like for example, the beginning of the Dark Night,

I was in a movie, theater, at the beginning to the dark night, Batman has a hydraulic thing on his arm. And the hydraulic thing on his arm lets him cut into the side of a van. There were people

who, that fucked them up because they thought that Bruce Wayne was so strong that he could take a knife and cut into the side of a van. They didn't get the fact, they missed the fact that he had like a hydraulic gadget on his arm to like cut

into the side of the theme. But like, in that little piece of narrative, they show you like what Batman suit can do. He has all types of different gadgets. So you, like the Bat Pod. The Bat Paw pops out. You see it. You see that it's made from the wheels from the front of the Tumblr.

Like, you see what he can do. Or in the other Batman movie, when the fire comes over and he presses this button, and when he presses the button, the flame retardant thing comes over the top. You see it very explicitly. And I could argue, to Charles's point, that we're not explicitly seeing, like, demonstrations of what Moon Knight's suit can actually do. We're, I guess we're kind of seeing them. And it's a, and because we're in the middle of magic and technology, it always doesn't seem so straightforward. You know?

You think that's true, Jomey, or I'm bullshit, quarter-fil-plip. I think you got a great point. I mean, I don't think it's, I wouldn't say quarter-flip, but I think it's like a concrete, like, you know, question I have, but like I said, like, it doesn't ruin the moment or anything because when he jumps off that little pyramid, glass pyramid thing, his cape is in a crescent. And, like, that's all I needed to see. That's pretty cool. That was nuts.

I don't care what the suit does. It looks cool as hell. So I'm like, Charles, what did you think about the crescent jump? The crescent jump was nuts. I mean, we saw the crescent jump. This is the second time I'm seeing it. Charles. What is the second time I'm seeing it?

I saw it in another episode. It's cool. It's fine. It's a crescent. cool. Looks cool as hell. You can only see something for the first time one time. So I'm sorry, God. I love it.

That's, okay. Charles, you just got to. Boy, you said, you told me earlier, you're like, Charles, don't lie. I just, I didn't lie. I saw it in another episode. It's cool. That's fine. Okay.

All right. Now, Harold and Conchue. Oh, excuse me, before we get to that, Conchu is gone. Out of here. Conchu is gone. They put him in the pen. They put Conshu,

man, Conchew was a victim of mass incarceration. They are, like, at the end of the show, Conchew... I'm locked up. They won't let me out. I'm locked up.

They won't let me out. They won't let me on. See, now... See, now... I can't wait my teeth. Tommy, is that you? You don't know nothing about no ACOM?

No, no, no, no. I know about ACON, but here's the thing, right? Convick music. I'm outside. Convict music. Check this out, though, right? This is a great, see, let me give fans a little peek behind the curtain. That was a really funny part, right?

Like, I really enjoyed that. That's going to make a lot of people laugh, right? Let's put that on video. Let's put that on TikTok or whatever, right? Do we really want to see two black men singing about getting locked up online? I mean, I don't know why. Here's the thing. You know, look, here's the thing.

They can lock up your body, but they can't lock up your mind. So what I'm saying? You got to let your mind grow. You got to let your mind grow. You'll let your mind grow. You see what happens with Steve and I here. People are like,

yo man, I was in solitary for four years. Like, damn, you was in there by yourself? Nah, I wasn't in it by myself. I had Bart Twain. I had Nietzsche. Oh. I had. I had Doshkaevsky.

I had Doshayefty. I had Tony Morrison. You know what I'm saying? I had all kinds of... Zora Neil Hurst. Zora Neil Hurst. Joe, Neil Hurst, and I had all of these people. Then August Wilson, all of these people,

they was my cellmates when I was in there. The great Malcolm X, I had them. You know, I had, uh, fucking, they all read Atlas Trugs when they'd be locked up for too long. Did he be dead and Rand? Oh, God. So you know what I'm saying? I had, I had some people with it wasn't by myself, man. You know what I'm saying?

saying, it's me. Christ. Consu in there, like, doing push-ups. Consum's going to come out slow. Oh, he's going to be big as hell. You're locked up ass, bro. They, see, you know what? Here's the thing.

That's how we know that Consu is black. See, the rest of them, there are all of these white avatars. And Consu kind of picked the white avatar, too, you know, little San Francisco. Can I ask a quick question? But they take this man, they put him in jail, and now, you know, he'd get banished away from

the rest of God, what you got. Do you think Yatsal is putting money on his books? You think he's eating that top ramen? He's eating good? Yeah, probably so. I got to tell you guys something about putting money on people's books. Like, if you have anybody that gets locked down, I'm serious. If you have

anybody that gets locked down, just $30 a month. $30 a month, it changes lives when they inside. Niggas come out ready to kill for you. You know what I'm saying? It's like, They hit the street. They're like,

Yo, Van, what you need? What you need? I'm like, nothing, bro. That's the cable guy. You know what I'm saying? Why don't you? Yeah, I never forget. I had more Lays potato chips

than any nigger on sale block G in Camp E. I had more of that because of you, you need me to kill him. I kill him. Nah, bro, relax. I don't need you to kill nobody. He's nirch trying to hook up premium cable. I'm glad you enjoyed the Lays.

Oh, wait, you still got cable. in your house, man. That was back in the day I don't know niggins in jail now. That's the past. What do you talk about? He's Hollywood now. He's good. That's like, that's the past, bro. He's like, we got lawyers. We're good now, Charles. I can help you out. Plus, at this point, I'm at the point in my life.

I was like, ah, you made a choice. So I don't know what to tell you. Jeez. Jeez. All right. Let's get back to movement. No, but Van mentioned a good point. And that whole thing because Yatsu, at the end of the court scene, pulls aside, pulls aside Mark and it's like, hey, listen, you know, me and the homeboy, Kanshu go way back.

Here's how else you can find the dig site, right? And so we know that she has a soft spot, you know, whatever it is, romantic, friendship, whatever, she has a soft spot for Mark and Kanshu. So maybe she's helped trying to, maybe she might help him get out of the, of the jail. sale in the later episodes. We don't know. But that's, that is a possibility because they do go back, you know.

She was a part of the team. Hold you down. That's what you need to find. Nice woman will hold you down. That's what to hold you down. So, here's deal. Conschus shifts to night sky so Layland Mark can get the right consolation to match the saw chart. We saw that.

Conschus gone. In prison. Yes, because they told him if you fuck with the sky again. You're done. You're done. You're done. Imagine living in Egypt at that time and like seeing not only a solar eclipse, but also like the sky turned into like basically like I always wonder about it.

Like a planetarian. I'm going to tell you. I always wonder about people that just live in this world where shit like this happens. And they just like, oh, okay. Well, this. They don't care. A fucking celestial came out of the goddamn ground. Half the population you got snapped.

But be like, dog, it's just another too. Okay. They like, literally, I do think like people in the MCU, like, after some shit happens, they pat themselves down. Like, I'm okay. I'm not disintegrating. All right, I bet. And they just go back to work.

Wait, can I ask you a real quick question? What? If your job, if you're like, if your job, let's say the ringer, like, let's say you get snapped. You know what I'm saying? And then you come back. If they make you come to the office or you can be like, dog, come on. What are we doing out here? Like, fuck that.

Like, no. It's World War II out there. I'm not doing that shit. Are you going back to work? If I get snapped? Yeah, like, let's say, like, you get snapped, you come back, like, you get caught in, like, a battle between the Eternals.

You're going back to work, or you're like, dog, I'm going to take three weeks off. It's cool. Like... I mean, I'll do whatever I want. Look, if I was in the Marvel world, like, if I was in a Marvel world, I'd be a much different person.

Because, like, I'd be, my anxiety would be up so much. That'd be, like, screw it. You know what I mean? Like, I would, like, I would, I probably would be criminally insane if I was in this world with superheroes and stuff like that I couldn't just, how you just go to work? Like seriously, bro?

You ever thought about this? How you just go to work and then come home? No idea. I mean, I'm gonna be honest. How you just go to work? You can't, I'm not going to work. It's a guy in a Panther costume that could do flips off the Eiffel Tower.

Like, I'm not working. Like, it could all go to shit in an instant. You know what I'm saying? Every single, every week, somebody different is trying to take over the world. We thought we knew Wanda. Turns out maybe we didn't. You know what I'm saying?

I mean. Imagine he was in, well, what's the city in Wanda Vision call? Westview. Westview. Like, imagine you're like anything after that shit. Like, hell no. You know who's going to pay for my shit? Wanda.

Like, if I was in Westview, Wanda is paying for my shit. If not, I'm going to write a book. I'm going to make sure bad, bad press. Oh, I'm going to tell you, if I'm in the MCU, I'm going, like, I'm just following Tony Stark around when he gets it to the Iron Man suit. I'm going to just wait for like debris to hit me

and I'm going to be like A lawyer calling up I'm like yo Murdoch and Nelson I just got hit from a debris by Tony Stark I need an easy mail They're not going to help you They're in the pocket of a big superhero

They're not going to help you You know, Doc, you're going to have to call your boss and be like, hey listen Yeah Dr. Strange is fine out my street And it's looking like I'm about to get sent to another dimension I might not be in work for the next

like two weeks just let you know. It'll all work. Man, why are you late? I'm not going to lie, man. Spider-Man is fighting the Green Goblin. And, you know what I'm saying? Like, what you want me to walk into the battle?

You think that I come to, you think that I give a fuck about data processing that much, that I'm going to walk in the middle of a fight between Spider-Man and Green Goblin. Get hit by a pumpkin bomb. Then what? Then you down one. Get out my face.

So, we all, this, that was, you know, that was the first time we met, we actually went off the rails. Good job. Kerma. Like we have, we've smashed this stand around the wheels for the most of the... Yo, he's a drill sergeant. Just holding it down, you see me?

Can we talk about how in that last scene, how we finally see Mark and Stephen, like, like, work together? It's very important. So the fact that they worked together right there, and that more so to the point

that Mark actually relented to Steve, that Mark realized the value, boom, that Steve had, because it seems like at this point, Mark Specter is a slave of focus, meaning he only sees mission accomplishment and what he has to protect or what he has to destroy. So in that situation, realizing that those two things met, the need to accomplish a goal

and the fact that he could do it, very important for the character. Wait, I also want to bring up really, really quick is that when Mark and Layla are going to the party to see. the sarcophagus, Layla asked, like, why didn't you tell me? And Mark's like,

I thought I had it under control. And it makes it, he kind of makes it seem like this is something that he's been dealing with for longer than just when he got the suit. So my question is,

is that, like, how long has he had D.I.D.? Because it seems like Stephen is so smart that it's not something that he's been dealing with for like a year. This seems like a lifelong thing

because Stephen is, might as well just be a professor of Egyptology. He knows a lot of stuff. So it seems like a lifelong thing he's been battling with that went away for a while. Well, also, you might have a situation to where everything that Mark is going through, he's splitting his expertise amongst his personalities. You know what I mean?

So some of this stuff might be something that they all, that they, that Mark, I'm not sure, guys, I'm not sure the, um, the appropriate way to discuss this. So a little lad to the little grace here. So as one entity marks Stephen and whatever, Jake Lockley, if he's inside there, this might have been expertise that they have all gained together, but it might be fragmented amongst the personalities. Different personalities might have learned different things or had different goals and whatever. I will say this is not how DID works.

So what Van is saying is like latitude because like they are playing with the Hollywood version of it, I think, which we've seen in other movies, which is like, you know, United States of Terra, the personalities have different skills. Split. Yeah. They're split where it's like, yeah, that's not how the ID works. We know that this is a TV show. We are trying to be very careful. Right. Okay. So the episode close, oh, real quick.

Without Conch you, Mark doesn't have any powers. Yeah. Stuff. How long you think so? How long, how long? Who does? You know, you does have what? He's got Layla. Oh, that's true. You see how she was looking at him? She was. Hey, say something. Leland and Stephen got something going on. Is that cheating?

That's the question in it. Is that cheating? That's the question in it. So if you're married to one, but there is a difference. Not some guy. Is that cheating? I don't know.

I'm not sure. All right. Episode closes with Harrow getting some things off of his chest while speaking directly to Conchu, trapped in a stone figure. Admitting he is somewhat grateful for his experience with Conchue.

He's on the Hill. That was the line. What did he say? He said, I'm happy to be, broken down for you because my healing or whatever, whatever, the line, do anybody has the exact line? That was a bar. I remember it though. Is there anything to take away from this?

Like, I am, Harrow is, to me, the most compelling, the most compelling character in the whole series. It's difficult to peg him, though. It's difficult to kind of like get him

down pat. What do you guys think? I think Harrow, my issue with his story right now is there's just so much to know about him where like they're just kind of slowly peeling back what actually happened with him and Conchu we see how ruthless Conchu is with Mark and it seems like he might have been even more so

with Harrow um and it seems like at one point it seems like Conchu his whole his whole thing was tracking down on that so what happened in Harrow his life where he was just like, no, fuck this, I'm going to Amet. Is he, is Harrow acting under his own volition? Or is Ahmed controlling him? I don't know.

Well, I think he mentions it where Kansu does his judgment after the fact, right? Yeah. So you have to be guilty to, you know, serve, to be served by the wrath of Kanshu. Whereas Ahmed earlier, like if you're a baby and he's like, you know, they talked about on episode two killing babies, right? And so maybe Conschu wasn't

grimy enough for him. Consu, you know, didn't get the job done like he wanted it into. And I met just will do it from the jump. I don't know the specifics of his backstory, but maybe there was an event in his life that could have been prevented

but wasn't. And so now he's looking at it like, hey, I got it now you're not doing enough for me conchew this all this stuff after the fact ain't it we need to stop this problem before it happens like Project Insight you know basically Project Insight needs insight

Exactly All right That is enough for Moon Night episode 3 I liked it Jomey liked it Spidey liked it Charles was cool on it It's okay what's going on It's fun stuff

All right Jomey What's up what are we talking about What are we doing? Whatever You gotta tell us what happened on the date bro Jomey come on you you got to tell The listeners are on the edge of their seat right now. John, you got to tell us what happened, bro.

Yeah, they've been wanting to talk about it. So here's what I will say. First of all, was it a date? I don't think so. Again, like I said, last week, I didn't think it was a date. I think we had a great time. First of all, we saw everything everywhere all at once. And we should, honestly, guys, you guys should make time to see that movie,

and we should talk about it for like 20, 25 minutes. That's an amazing movie. Like, it is special. Special. Okay, I'll check it out. Is it streaming or I got to go to the movies? You got to go to the movies. You have to see it in movies, by the way.

You have to see it in the theater. Like, it's, whoo. Like, had a blast. We shared some fries. You know what I'm saying? It was cool. We had a good time. You know, we talked.

You texted afterwards. You know, we texted over the week. So, yeah, it's cool. Like, you know, I don't think, like, again, I don't think it was a date, but, like, it's cool. She's got, you know, she's really funny. She got great energy. So, like, I'm really, you know, excited.

Like, you know, be your friend. Here's the thing, though, and I will say this. I did actually go on a real date on Friday. Oh, shit. Damn. Oh shit. What happened, Joe, sir. Oh, shit.

Jomi, I know what you did. You slick motherfucker. You pulled the old switcheroo on us. Now, hold on. I'm going to get into the story. Kerm, can you initiate Deep Shadow Protocol? Hello, Ring ofverse fans. I regret to inform you that due to the initiation,

of Deep Shadow Protocol. This bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, PooPew, we'll get back to you shortly.

What? What? That was that night. What the fuck? Jomi. Jomi. My man. My man.

Playing with fire. Shit. Play it with fire. fire. Jomey, Jomey, you saw that hot stove and you was like, I'm not afraid of shit. I'll touch that shit right now. God damn, John.

Yeah. All right, we got to go, guys. We got to go. That is a wrap. That was a fantastic story by Jomey. Deep Shadow will be used again in the near future. I can tell us.

Amazing invention. This coming Friday, the House of All will return with their deep dive into the third episode of Moon Night. The Midnight Boys will be giving you instant reactions to every episode of Moon Night. We're coming back. It's going to be crazy.

It's going to be amazing. And we got more stuff coming up. You guys have been very, very communicative about what you think we should be covering. And we're looking at that. And we're going to make an agenda based upon it, the producer credits. Our producer, who did a fantastic job today is Jonathan Kerman. Jomi. Hashtag free Jomi.

Hashtag, good luck, Jomey. Hashtag, be careful, Jemmy. Be careful, Jeremy. You play with fire. Hatshag with, Be careful, Jeremy. All right. On social media, an additional production from Steve Almond Joy. And of course, Arjuna Ramqqal, our intrepid producer.

Charles, take us out. Moon Night Episode 3 is a rap. I swear, guys, that is it. But when it comes to dating, my man Jomi is on his shit. You know, I had a weird dream last night, guys. I had a weird dream last night. Speaking of web shooters, I had a weird,

this is a true story. I'm not bullshitting you guys. Kerm, you know, I don't need you looking like that, dog. I haven't even told the shit yet. The saltiness coming on.

God damn, Kerm. Man, what Steve at, man? I didn't do nothing, yo. Like, what I was

Kerm, right out. Yo, I can't control my face. Here's the thing about the cuddly Christmas bear. He has this inviting face that whenever it's time

he sits there like it's time. Let's, Let's make magic. And Kerm, you very judgmental, bro. You too young, fall out hate. I did not say a word. I was not judging at all.

So last night I had a dream that I had web shooters, but I kept falling. So I didn't know how to use them. So I would use the web shooter, but I would shoot weak webs. And I would shoot weak webs. And it wasn't until I talked to Kalika. She was like, no, you have to press down harder if you want to actually swing. She was like, you're hitting a web shooter and you're shooting out between, you know, when he shoots the web glob and the actual, the web, she's like, you've got to hold it a little bit longer. This has something to do with sex.

I can't figure out what it is. I can't, like, the fact that she came into the dream and told me that, this has something to do. I'm going to talk to her and, you know, that baby, is there anything you need to tell me? you know like it is this has something to do I can't figure out what it is but I woke up tripping I'm like yo man the fuck I'm not I'm not I'm not holding the web long enough

let's tell you see what happened is you know you don't have the spidey sense so oh you know it's true when did this when did this turn into a relationship so it's later on we're going to Joe we're going to see what Jomey web shooter up to oh okay

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