The Ringer-Verse - Ms. Marvel Episode 1 Instant Reactions

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

Joanna and Charles come together to discuss the first episode of the newest Marvel Disney + series 'Ms. Marvel.' They start with their expectations going into the show and their preliminary thoughts on the premiere (4:47). Later, they discuss the post-credit scene (46:10) and wrap up by answering some mailbag questions (1:20:17). Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Charles Holmes Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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back into the ringer verse podcast feed your nexus podcast for all things fandom I'm Joanna Robinson and joining me now that he found a random pair of photon gloves in the bathroom stall at Camp Lehigh it's Charles Holmes

Hi Charles, how are you? No, what's going on? Pugh-phew! Would you Charles? take some random photon gloves home if you found them on the bathroom floor, Camp Lehigh. Absolutely not.

No. Joe, here's the thing. Yeah. I'm really like, I'm not fucking with the germs, but now so more than ever. Can I just tell you, my girlfriend didn't care about this, but you are from the West Coast, correct? Correct. I need you to answer for your West Coast people.

Okay? Because when I came to L.A., I was at the Star Wars Celebration, and there were people who were just eating their food on top of like a garbage can lid. Okay. And I was just like, I have like what? Listen, I'm not sure you can put that in California because as you know, Star Wars Celebration is an international event. But also at the Anaheim Convention Center, you know, you know very well that it's like

catch as catch can. If you can find a service to put your overpriced weirdo nachos that you bought at the Anheim Convention Center on, you will. So I just wanted to blame the way. West Cossians on you guys got to do better. This is an us. This is a mess. No, no, no.

All right. We're here to talk about Miss Marvel, episode one, a show we love, a show with a show to be covering. We're going to be here every week breaking down Miss Marvel. There's a lot going on in the Ring ofverse Feed, though, so you're going to see some, like, rotating hosts in this show. Because I think this is Charles' third Ring Reverse episode this week. We've got the Boys Breakdown that he did with Van.

got the Obi-1 instant reaction from the Midnight Boys Poo-Pew that dropped today Wednesday. Mallory and I will be back on Friday to do the Obi-1 episode four deep dive. And then I will be joining Charles and Van to talk about the boys next Monday. Hell yeah. So, you know, we're here. There's a lot going on. We're going to cover it all in order to make sure that you, like, can follow all of that.

You got to hit us up on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. TikTok especially if you want to see like what all the folks were up to at Star Wars celebration, a lot of lightsaber situations happening. I'm not messing with Jomey. Jomi, no.

Got me, got me into a lot of Tic Tacs I didn't want to be in, you know? I feel like you're running away in most of the TikToks. I'm running away in the old. So yeah, at Ring Reverse. That's the handle.

Follow it. Hashtag save Jomey. And then last but not least, spoiler warning. What's our spoiler warning today, Charles? You and I have seen two episodes, correct? Actually, I've only seen one.

I've only seen one. Charles got so burned for screening. I got so burned when they sent the second one, I almost like emailed the publicist back and be like, you can take this back, okay? I will never betray the Midnight Writers ever again. Okay, I've seen the second episode. I promise to keep my mouth shut about it.

But the thing that we can talk about is all comic book canon, right? Miss Marvel has had many years of fine stories. And all of those stories that are on the page are fair play here. So that's your warning. We're just going to cover episode one, Generation Y, it's the name of the episode. But listen, comic stuff might sneak in there. It's going to keep in there, okay? That's what we do.

That's what we do here. All right. So this is Miss Marvel. six episodes and it's going to lead into the Marvel's film which is premiering July

2023 which is a while from now but that's fine it's fine leaving eventually to that this is a really interesting project because it got delayed

a bunch it's also being run a little bit closer to more traditional television than some of the other shows in that they have like a number of writers

and a number of directors versus like the sort of movie hybrid of they've been taking to some other other shows. I just want to ask you before we get started with anything, like, were you as worried as I was that this show was not going to be as good as we wanted to be? Oh, absolutely.

All of the rumors that were coming out was that this was a very troubled production. And I believe the date was pushed back, even if I remember correctly. So I was just like, what is going on over there? And also, Miss Marvel, I've been telling Van Nu, this and for the longest time he didn't believe me. I'm like, no, Miss Marvel is, Kamala Khan specifically, is a beloved character. So I was like, there is no way that they can mess this up.

Like, this is, there would be right. It's like people really, really love this character so, so much. So yeah, I was very, very worried before. I watched episode one. Kamala Khan is such an interesting character because she hasn't been around that long, right? She, first comics is 2014. I think she makes a Captain Marvel cameo in like 2012, but 2014, which I guess has been a while, but doesn't seem like that long ago, right, compared to some of these like long, decades-long legacies that we're talking about. But also yesterday.

Do you know what you mean? True. But I guess I'm curious, like, what's your relationship with this comic? Oh, so this would be around the time when I was eight years ago. So that means I was. Wait, eight years ago, right? Mm-hmm. So early 20s in college, still going to the comic book store, religiously.

And around this time in Marvel Comics, every generation writers have this like Eureka moment where they're like, oh my gosh, no one's reading our comics. Like kids don't care. They're like, it's just like a bunch of like old white men, like who write the comics being like, this is bad. Like there's no women superheroes. are all like Chee Hulk or Captain Marvel or they are like the side character. And I think that this was around the time where you were getting Sam as Captain America,

you're getting James Foster as Thor, you were getting Miles Morales, I think was a few years before this. And Miss Marvel was really, really interesting because Adrian Alfana was the artist on runaways, which is one of my favorite comics of all time. I love him as an artist. So I was intrigued, but I was just like,

I don't know if they're going to land this. And when I picked up that first comic book, it was such a good origin story. There are very few American comics I can give to someone and be like, hey, like, this is for kids. They will love this. You don't have to know all of this history. You don't have to know anything about Captain Marvel.

You can just read this. And I was a dumb kid in my 20s. And even I was still like, wow, amazing. Reading is so fun. So yeah, I loved, I rereading the first volume again. I was like, oh, still holds up. This is amazing. What about you, Joe?

When did you first find out about this Marvel? I found out about it when it was first published. Like I remember, it was like, it kicked up a big dust storm. One of a bunch of awards was on the top of New York Times best sell. Like this was a huge hit for Marvel, this comic. And like it's such an interesting, you know, when you watch a company like Marvel, they hire Sonomano who is, you know, one of their great editors who is now like hype in Marvel Entertainment and is a co-executive producer on this show. They hired her and like with this idea of let's,

let's shake up our lineup of heroes here. Let's hire someone in our editorial staff that isn't like, you know, the comic book guy from The Simpsons. And so they, they, they make. this comic Miss Marvel. They hired G. Willa Wilson to write it, as you say, Adrian Alfano, did the linework on it. And Ian Herring did the coloring, which is this really cool, like, muted tones in those first few issues there. And it was just like a freaking smash, you know, like a bit of a gamble. Let's create a, you know, first Muslim American hero. And it was just a smash hit.

And I think some of those other changes in the lineup that you were talking about came after where they felt like they had permission. Like when something makes money, they're like, oh, we can do this all over the place now. Yeah, it was Miles Morales, then it was Kamala. And then I think they were just like, what if we do it all? And then it blew up in their face so hard. Yeah. But I think it's so what's so interesting because like G. Willa Wilson and Sanaa together sort of who are both like.

you know, Muslim young women from New Jersey, right? Comment and create this character together. Sanah is so involved in the issue. Like, she's doing the letter section in the back of the issues, which like not every editor does. Sometimes it's the writer, sometimes it's the editor. But she was like super involved. She's got like little footnotes in the comics.

So to have her, like I think G. Willa Wilson was a consulting producer on the show. But to have Sanaa as an executive producer is the closest a Disney plus Marvel show has come to the original comics creators being involved. This has been sort of like an ongoing controversy, of course, because like this idea of creating all this comic book content on the back of these comic book writers and then sometimes not paying them,

etc. There's been a lot of controversy around that. We saw with Hawkeye that they like hired Matt Fraction in as a consulting producer. But here's some like executive producer on the show, almost showrunner, is the person who, created the character in the first place. Do you feel like that comes through in this episode that you watch? Oh, I mean, absolutely.

I think there's two things happening. The first thing is that I think as we're getting to these characters, like a hawkeye, Kate Bishop or Kamala Khan, these are beloved comic book runs in a way that there was never really a beloved Wanda vision comic. There's not like a beloved Falcon comic book. Like there are good comic books, but I can't point to like, hey, start volume one of Hawkeye and you're going to fall in love. Start volume one of Miss Marvel.

So I think that's something that Disney is actually very aware of. They can see the book and the trade sales. And they're just like, no, we're actually basing this on something that like kids have grown up on. And what I actually realize rewatching the first episode is how much this actually looks like that first volume, where it's like there's so much packed into the frames. Adrian Afana's original line work, he has all of these, like, posters and teenage ephemera

and like the sloth, the sloth baby with the wings. And I was like, oh, this is Sana, this is someone who worked on this comic being like, no, it's not just that we have to get the story right

and what it means to be Pakistani and Muslim. We need to actually get what it felt like to read that comic book, whether you were 10 reading it, whether you were 21, whether you were 31, 41. And that's actually what I think is really, really beautiful about it is that

this felt like what Miss Marvel feels like to read. Did you, what did you think of when you first saw this episode? Well, and I think that's true, especially because of who Kamala Khan is, which is a fan, right? She's, like, in the comics, she's

like a fan fiction writer. They made her a YouTuber and a and a, and a cosplayer in the show. But it's, the episode starts with like, someone doing what we do and not just like those of us who podcasts or YouTube or whatever, but fans of

Marvel things that you do, things that you're, the things you watch, the things you're interested in. And that is why Kamal has always been both on the page and in the show, I think just so immediately just lovable and relatable because you're just sort of like, oh, it's me, here I am. You know, is similar to sort of some of the like Peter Parker, Tony Stark hero worship stuff that they did to introduce Tom Holland's Peter Parker. But I just, I love. that about her and I think that comes through and like to your point one of the things the art the art is so clever in like throughout the throughout the entire miss marvel thing but especially in those early issues there are all these pop culture references in the background and one moment that I loved

it like there's just a guy dressed as Marty Mcfly like in her class and it's never mentioned on he's just like it sitting behind her and so they put Bruno in the Marty McFly like puffer vest and I was just sort of like oh it's like they're just doing the comic it's here this is what you know it's right here so yeah absolutely like wait can i really quick because you brought up uh Kamala khan in the comic book she's she's a fan of captain marvel and just the Avengers in general are we bet to believe in the TV show that scot laying is the only motherfucker who who's going on podcast going on a world tour being like guys let me tell you about end game well he

hosts the podcast. It's like his podcast. Okay. So that's what I want to ask. So he's hosting it. And I feel like he's interviewing all of him. It's like Dax Shepard inviting all of his friends up to his attic, right? Got Lang calls up every Avenger and he's like, yeah, come talk to me on my podcast. I've got a podcast. And of all the Avengers to start a podcast, Scott Lang feels right, right? He absolutely feels right now. Yeah. My question. Mm-hmm. Who is the Joe Rogan of the Avengers? Oh. Who has like a podcast or Like, oh, man. That's a tough question. Oh, it's John Walker.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. This is why I come, you Joe. This is why I come to you. But I think that I think that I would love to listen to Scott Link's podcast. Who do you think the best guest on Scott Lank's podcast has been? Oh, the best guest? Oh, I, you know, I think Smart Hulk.

would be a fantastic killer killer because he'd be hungry the entire time like and scott is just like tell me all of your science facts and like smart hulk's like dude can you like order me some like uber eats like come on can i get some tacos like what are we doing here but i also hope that scotling had a lot of backup like podcast equipment because i'm pretty sure Hulk just like would accidentally smash any microphone that came oh he's he's smashing this little zoom recorders they gave us left him right Right. Yeah. So Kamala Khan is from New Jersey.

And this is why I love, like, she's your friendly neighborhood, New Jersey superhero, right? Like, very street-level Peter Parker. What I love that happens with the comics all the time is, like, a big time a hero will come to Kamala and be like, no one's coming to help you, New Jersey. No one gives a shit about you. Yes, yes. New York is right across the river, but we don't care. This is Jersey City. As a proud New Jerseyan, I feel like every person from New Jersey has.

like, I don't know, like a stick up their ass, a chip on their shoulder because we know we're not New York. And what makes Jersey City the worst is like you're like 20 minutes away, but you're still not New York. You know what I mean? And that's what I think makes Kambalakon such an interesting and funny character because Kambalah kind of knows it. Like in the comic book, she's kind of like, oh, man, I got to say Jersey City. It's not the most miles is out there, you know, in Manhattan being like, yo, I'm a friendly neighborhood of Spider-Man. And meanwhile, Kamala, his teammates, like, oh, man, got a truck back, got it. Something that I love about the, like, small, quote, like, small concerns that they fight in this comic is, like, gentrification is one of that. You know, it's like stuff like that. Internet bullying, like, becomes, like, a real troll or, like, the gentrifiers are Hydra.

You know, like, stuff like that, I love. And they just, like, keep it all kind of, you know, contain. Kamala eventually joins the Avengers Like she becomes like in the mix Because she was so popular They're like well I guess we'll put her on the Avengers Oh they put her they put miles I think they put the new Nova

They put uh actually this was around I read that Avengers run This was like This was really like the diversity Initiative Sam Wilson's there Yeah Jay Foster's there Yeah it was

It was Yeah it would let me tell you to be on read some of those messages at that time, be on Twitter on that time. What a racist time in Marvel Comics. Also, we can't, we got to say this before we kind of get into the TV show. I think it's important to know that like Kamala

also comes out in a time in Marvel Comics where they are going super hard on the Inhumans. They don't have the rights in the movies to the X-Men. So they're like, you know who could be the X-Men in the comic books actually, who could be just as popular? The Inhumans.

And that failed massively. But the reason I'm bringing this up is because in the comic book, she's an inhuman. She gets her powers from this Terogenesis mist that goes all throughout the tri-state area. And she has stretchy powers. And in this one, they changed up her powers. So yes, if you read the comic, you're like, is she an inhuman? I'm like, I would, yes, she is in the comic books. If they make her inhuman in this, I would be so, so surprised.

I'm almost 100% they are not going narrow. This is where I'm pulling our social media king, Jomi Adiron, onto the show, to talk about Kamala's power set here, because he's been on this beat for a while. He has some thoughts and feelings about

it. As our resident agents of shield in humans, fan, Jomey. Well, you got to, we'll see, you mean agents of, in humans within agents of not Angels of Shield and the show inhumans. Don't run away from it.

You like that inhuman show. Come on. Now, see, now you're lying. Charles, you lying. Why would you come on here alive? I saw your lock job. I don't know what to tell you. It's cap.

You're lying. You're trying to give me in trouble with the people. I already got enough trouble today, Charles. I don't need this. I don't need this. No. So, Kamala, like Charles said, is originally an inhuman. And now in humans get their powers is through terror genesis.

they're exposed to the terogenesis mist and they get their powers. And so in the comics, she's exposed to the mist and wakes up and has stretchy, you know, powers. But in the show. Yeah. Can I just say really quickly? In humans, this is like a weird breeding program. Yes. You should say.

Like it's DNA that's just sort of like been seated into the human population and then is activated with the mist. Yeah. Creepy. Go ahead. It's not what you want. And yeah, they changed it up for the, for the show. My theory, right, is that, you know, they don't, the CGI ain't going to look great, right? And you can't be out here looking funky on the Disney Plus.

That'll get you packed up. That'll get you sent home, right? Nobody's going to watch that. Charles, you know what I'm talking about. And then part of it is also, you know, they, you know, Mr. Fantastic is a big part of the MCU, I think, going forward. And so if you're going to do the stretchy powers, you want to maybe start with Oh, boy. I don't know if that's, I ain't got no sources. Kevin Fagie hasn't told me this personally yet. You know, we have dinner on Friday. Okay. So we might go over it. But as of right now, you know, that's just a theory. But yeah, they had to switch it up for, you know, numerous reasons. And so far, so good. At least for my opinion.

I think that the Inhumans show on ABC, stinking up the joint. Like, and that was such a contention. thing right because Marvel Studios is going to make it in humans movie they announced it it was on the docket and then in the like civil war between Kevin Feige running movies and Jeff Loeb running TV Jeff got

control of inhumans and you know tried to make fetch happen with Aces of Shield tried to make fetch happen with its own inhuman show I would argue he made fetch happen with AISN. All right shout out Daisy but

But listen, it's a cursed property now. And I don't think they wanted to say the words in humans in this show, despite Black Bolt showing up in Dr. Strange. Wait, can we also say, I will say, I disagree with Jomey, this being because they're going to have Mr. Fantastic. And I think it's more so because of the marvels, where if you have two cosmic powered beings, I'm assuming some of this will take place in space.

I do think there is a level of you can't stretch in space or it's going to be very, very hard to do that. We want Kamala like flying around with Captain Marvel, with Photon, and we just got to get, got to get her some upgraded powers. I don't agree with it, but I understand from a movie on the movie side being like, come on, she at least got to be able to do some cosmic power chip. And her, like, the sparkliness around her powers that, uh, seemed to be activated when she puts this bangle on, right? Um, does match like the, the visual of Carol's powers, etc.

But, um, so thus far, well, we've seen her, like, blast things out, you know, I don't, I don't know what we want to call them yet. The pop rocks? They cry, please? She's trying. And then the hand stretches out. It's just sort of like a ghost cosmic crystal hand. It's not like her own hand stretching out.

So, full power set TBD, but looks rare. I'm not. Not. Okay. You think it looks bad? That's not true.

No, no, no. I don't think it looks bad. Here's the thing. I love the TV show. So I can't tell if I'm blinded. Like, I have rose-colored glasses. It's just being like, I love everything about this TV show. So it didn't look that bad, but there are moments where I'm just like,

man, I can't wait for the Marvel's budget to kind of like open these powers up. Because right now. At some point. Okay. I will withhold judgment until I see more. But I thought they looked really good for like, because we see or barely use them. And it's like just at the end of the episode. So it wasn't distracting.

Yeah, it's not even 15 minutes. So I'm willing to reserve. judgment for right now. Joe and Jomi, do you think potentially to connect this to Carol that these are like the Negavans, which which are the original

Captain Marvel had in the comic books and that potentially her grandmother was Kree and this is how they're going to be like, oh, M.G. Like this is how she's connected to Captain Marvel. That's the first thing when, like I saw how the Bengal moved because when Kamala opens the bangle is very like

alien techie. I was just like, hmm, seems like this might be creed. That's a good thought, actually. I really like that theory. My first thought was,

is this related to the 10 rings? Like, what are we, like, what's going on? You know? It's all jewelry connected and cursed in this universe.

You know, great question. When Wong shows up in the season finale, it's like, it's sending a beacon. And then Simulu shows up. It's like, hey, twins,

what's going on? Meet my friend, Captain Marvel. boom. I just wrote the last half of the show. The way that we were in the Wong era of the MCU makes me so happy. Bring Wong in every show. My man's got to get his bag.

I respect it. And I love it for him. King Wong. It's Faze Wong. It's his time. Fais, Fais, Wong. All right, Jomey's going to be back at the end of the show with our mailbag.

Thank you so much, Jomey, for your... I've just, like, received so many texts from Jomey about Miss Marvel's power set that I definitely wanted to have him. get on the mic about it. There's also, like, the costuming of a new superhero is always a question, but there's so much fun territory for that in this episode because we see her, like, cosplay as Captain Marvel, both, like, her homemade and then her, like, fantasy idea. Really super relatable if you've ever cosplayed of, like, the idea you have in your head of

what your cosplay is going to look like, your fantasy cosplay, and then the reality of your budget, like, you know, spray-painted leather jacket. So you've got that You've got that stuff And then you've got You know The clothing that she puts on When she goes shopping with her mom

There's all these like elements of clothing in here But a lot of conversation of course About like Modesty and Pakistani American culture One thing I love in the comics Is that when Kamala is like When she first gets her powers in the comics Her powers are just polymorphic

just shaping into something else. And she shapes into Carol Danvers, Miss Marvel, the original Miss Marvel, because that's who she's sort of like thinking about and idealizing. And she's talking about how she wants the like non-politically correct costume. So she's in the like short costume with the thigh high boots. She wants the wedges. And like a Captain Marvel illusion is just like,

you have a boot fetish, I think. Yeah, that's not very practical. but she's like, I want it. So, and then what she winds up with eventually is something that, like, is a hybrid of some Captain Marvel stuff and then some stuff from her culture in terms of, like, the way the clothing, you know, hangs on her body. What did you think of how they worked that? They worked it in, like, just a really small moment.

She's sort of, like, pulling on the pants that she's put together for the cosplay. And she sort of picks up the sash and, like, half ties it around her waist and it's, like, thinking about it, like, how did it? How did all that sit with you? Oh, I think it, I think there was something that was so kind of cute and really, really universal about when, when Kamala puts on her cosplay costume. And it's that teenager feeling of like, I always think the best teenage superheroes are the ones that are kind of a metaphor for puberty and what it's like when your body's changing or you're like seeing like, it happens with guys. Or like, oh, those guys look buff. I don't look like that.

Like, oh my gosh. or you see Kamala and she's like turned around and like the tights or whatever you go on like aren't fitting the way she wants them to so she puts on the sash and she's like looking at the popular girl Zoe who's also at the Captain Marvel um cosplay event and I think that that's so I don't know it worked for me because also Kamala is looking at what many in Western society would say is perfection in Captain Marvel she's looking at this and so much of the comic book is her coming to the realization like I don't need to look like that to be

a superhero. That doesn't need to define me. That's not the only thing that beauty has to be. And I think they did a really, really good job of slowly and honestly more in a more nuanced way weaving in the fact that yeah, Kamala is only

16. Of course Kamala would feel really really weird about like not cosplay and ending up not looking like Brie Larson. which many of us, me included, do not look like relive. I don't know. I heard on a celebration podcast that you were working on your butt, Charles. I am working on my butt.

It is very sore. Yesterday was deadlifted. Okay. All right. But can I just say this, Joe? Yeah. Okay. Can I just say this?

I love my partner to death. I love my girlfriend to death. One day I came back very, very sad from the gym. And she's like, why are you so sad? I'm like, no one's commented on my butt yet this summer. And she's like, is that why you're working out? I'm like, no, but it's like one of the sub benefits of it. She's like, I think one day someone will.

And I'm just like, this just to make me feel better. Charles's like, I just got to put it on a podcast. I just got to get on a microphone and like beg the world to compliment my butt. Joe, this is honestly the only reason I'm at the ringer right now. So people will give me compliments. Like, I'm just like slowly just being like, if I say it. enough on the podcast, someone will say so. I love that you talked about the nuance of this stuff with Kamala because

there's the locker room scene where she sort of, when she's getting ready for P, she's looking at the other girls. And it's like a very, I'm pretty sure I saw Molly Ringwell do that in like nine different movies in the 80s. Like it's a classic 80s teen movie scene of like my body doesn't look like these other girls' bodies in this locker room. But like it's just quick. It's just quick and fleeting and they move on. Similarly, some of the stuff with like between Kamala here and her brother, Amir, where the dynamic in the family is that the son, the sons are allowed to do so much more than the daughters. That's a theme in the comics too. And it's like it's just quickly here where she's talking about when she's told no by her parents, she's like, if it were Amir asking like, this wouldn't be an issue.

And then he has to go sort of bargain on her behalf. And but again, that stuff isn't like, it's not hammered. It's just their part of the furniture. And then they just sort of like roll forward with the plot. You know what I mean? Oh, I thought rereading the comic book, the thing that I actually ended up liking more about the show is that I think like American comic books,

you only have like 20, 22 pages to kind of get your point across. So sometimes you don't get that level of like depth or nuance. So rereading those first couple issues, I was just like, oh, her family actually isn't as well-rounded as Kamala or her friends are. And in the TV show, like Amir is like, in the comic books, he's a very, very religious type of character.

And this, he's a loving brother. He's just like, he's never like Kamala, you're wrong. Kamala, no, they treat us the same. He's like, oh, no, yeah, this sucks. I'm going to, like, I'm going to do my best. It's something that I'm like, oh, this is universal. So many brothers, so many sisters would do this to a for a younger sibling.

Or they take literally a line from one of the first issues where Kamala is just like, it's not like I'm going to do cocaine, which is something that she says in those first few issues, but her mother and father in the TV show are just so much more loving and warm. And their concern for her isn't this concern that's like just purely about what it means to be Pakistani or what it means to be Muslim. A lot of it's like what it needs to just be a parent and be afraid for your 16-year-old daughter to go out in the world with my kids you don't know. And I was just like, oh, this is a really smart way to do it. And just watching the episode twice. I was just like, this is kind of, they added on to the comic book in ways that I didn't

think that they would, they would do, honestly. I completely agree. They gave it a lot. They gave those parents a lot of depth while not like changing this lived in. Like, not westernizing them. They're still, you know, representative of this family. And I think the, to the point about Amir, he is like, he's a fundamentalist. in the comics more so than his family is.

And I love that there's just like a brief moment in this episode when we first see him and he's praying before a meal. And his father's like, enough. Like put some food in your mouth. And that just like that tells us like this is the most religious person in this household is this man here. So let's talk about my guy Bruno, Bruno, Bruno Carrelli, the guy in the chair, the queue to Kamala Khan here.

I love Bruno in the comics so much and I love him maybe even more in the show. I think he's incredible. I love that with his show. He's dynamic with Kamala's family that he's essentially a part of the family. He has a relationship with her mom, with her dad, etc.

My guy Bruno, like, best guy in the chair? I don't want to unseat anyone else. but like how do you feel? What do you feel about him here? Here's the thing. There's, with great power comes great responsibility. Everett.

He basically makes, um, an Amazon like Alexa for, uh, for Kamala's father. I'm just like, you madman, either you're going to go work for Jeff Bezos or you're just going to be one of like one of the good guys, like making tech for Kamala. I don't know which one. Like in my heart, I want to say that. he will use his powers for good. I also think that, I don't know, the burgeoning love story between those two is just so cute.

It's so precious. Like when they look at each other and he's just, I will say this and this is, this is my quam, not with Just Miss Marvel, but with all teenage, like all teenage, like TV shows and movies.

I'm like, these teenagers are like way more wholesome than I remember being 16. Ed's like they're just like way, like everything. like just the way they talk to each other how loving and supportive they are. I had loving and supportive friends, but also I was just like,

16 year olds are way mean than this. I do like the begin of Kia, who is Kamala's other like closest friend in the comics. We get her here briefly in this episode. Betty gets her passing her driver's test. That seems like something absolutely

my friends would have done when I was 16, right? Just sort of like, sorry. Sorry you failed, but I need to make some money. So that's mean. But like here's the thing like the bully in this is a bully because like she has too many like Instagram followers or TikTok followers. And she's just like doesn't care about Kamala. And I'm just like that's not mean. That's more so just like dumb teenage shit.

It's true. But like the thing I was just talking to someone about this about like bullying and teen shows and how it bothers me sometimes. I was talking about the show heart stopper, which is a show that I love. But there's like a bully in that where you're just like when a bully is a bully is a. bully for no reason. I'm like, are you from this planet? What's going on? The same thing happens sometimes as stranger thinks. Whereas like you get a show like

sex education. There's a few other shows where like if someone's a complete asshole, you get to find out why. And then you're like, oh, you're a human. Like I, you know, the cardboard cut out bully shit from the 80s. I'm just sort of like, that's not yes, that happens.

People are awful and vindictive and terrible. And that absolutely happens as teenagers and adults. But like to not ever find out why always bothered me. You don't want a Biff. I want to know. Biff just being a nassal. Yeah, I need to know what's Biff's home life, you know?

I don't, because we're going to get an HBO Max Biff spin off. And I'm just like, no. I've already greenlit it. It's called manure. Why does it have to be manure? And it's going to be great. But I, I, uh, Bruno, like, with love and respect to Ned, you know. our guy in the chair for Tom Holland's Peter Parker,

he's not making a homemade Alexa. Like that's not. No, not at all. No. Brudo's got like a full workbench. He's got a sewing machine. He made the boat on gloves? He's the look on his face when like Kamala left the gloves in the bathroom.

I'm like my guy. I feel so bad for you. He's down bad. Like down all the way bad for her. Like it's very cute. It's very, very cute. Let's talk about mom and dad. You already talked a little bit about like how they've given some depth.

And I think some of the depth that they've given to Muniba, the mom character comes from the way in which they seem to have changed the origin story here. We don't know the full origin story yet. That's obviously like a mystery that they're going to unveil. You know, she's got the Bengals. Something happens. We don't know. Does she only have the power when the Bengals on? We don't know.

Like, we don't know any answers yet. but the bingo comes from her grandma and her mom says a bunch of really fishy stuff. Yeah. About her grandma and about the women in her family and about the past and like that. So now we're involving. Mom is not just like the disapproving like

guardian figure. She's somehow involved in the power source. Do you have any early theories about what's going on here? I do have a theory. Jomi brought up how these powers are very Green Lantern-esque I think before we hopped on. And

I think her mom's saying like she comes from a long line of people fantasizing about daydreaming. Well, if you're going to change Kamala's powers, if you're going to, a power always has to say something about you as a character. And if her character is she can create anything that her mind thinks of, that's genius. That is something that you're just like, oh, one of her big weaknesses throughout this entire first episode, whether she goes to Mr. Wilson, who I loved. Yeah. Daddy, Wilson. He's like, hey, you got to concentrate. Stay here. Your mom's like, hey, you're daydream. You got to stay with me. Come on. I think that's a very interesting thing. Part of that is her family of this power. The people who are best at using this power are people

who are dreamers and can dream of whatever they want. And I think that that's kind of what her mom might be afraid of, is that her mom might end up like her mom or other people in her family who put their lives on the lines as a heroes to, to, you know, go stop crime. So that's what I think is happening. And I mean, I love that theory. I don't have any, I don't have any answers, like, honestly. But, like, I love that idea that her holding Kamala so tight around all of this is out of fear of something.

Do you know what I mean? Again, like, like knowing someone's motivation for their behavior is, is really, helpful to me. And I think I love that idea that you just floated, this idea that like, the first thing we see Kamala doing in this episode is creating a fantasy world of heroes like that. And so if eventually she figures out that the bangle allows her to create whatever she conceives of and whatever she conceives of might be like weird and blue and crystalline the way that her powers seem to be. But like, you know, I think that's so, I think that's really brilliant. There's also this idea with any hero, there's like the split

personality thing. I was, I went way down a rabbit hole and started watching Sonamana's TED Talk. Highly recommend to people. And she talked a lot about the creation of Miss Marvel. And she was talking about her experience post-night 11 as a Muslim woman living in America, etc. And the way in which these other versions of you that the media will create or friends or strangers will create of you how that leads to this like fractured identity. She had this one quote that I love when she says, we allow others to define us, media friends, family members.

We accept a standard of self, not of our choosing. We become a splintered version of the person we are destined to be. So I love all the moments like you shout out Mr. Wilson or. mainly Kamala's mom being like, this isn't who you are. When Kamala keeps presenting things there, she's like, this isn't who you are. Or Mr. Wilson saying various things,

but right now I see a girl divided, like all of this stuff. And that's like so relatable to any team, but especially a teen dealing with other, like prejudices in the water of this like trying to figure out who you are, feeling split. And like what better way to present split feelings than

you know, superhero identity, duality. I think it's brilliant. Oh, I mean, I love that. It's classic, you know, Peter Parker syndrome in terms of like the person that the world thinks I am. It's not the person that I want to be. And then the person that I want to be comes at this massive sacrifice. And we don't know what that sacrifice is yet, but we do know that her parents, I do think that there is, it's such a sad moment.

but when her mom creates the Hulk costume for her. Oh my God, I'm going to cry. He got me. It was hard to watch a second time because I was very bad at Kamala because her dad, oh my gosh, he was so excited. He put green paint in his beard. He's going to be washing that off, just tears streaming down. He's like, my little girl.

But I do think that you have to think that, why did her mom and dad choose the Hulk? instead of letting Kamala be Captain Marble. I think the Hulk is something where it's like, it's goofy and you can hide yourself behind this. And there's this level of we want our little girl to be a little girl and we don't want her. There's this fear. I think all parents have like, oh, puberty.

Like, I remember going through puberty. Like this is, oh, gosh, no, what do I? I'm going to do. This child that I have is now becoming an adult. And I think it's very, very funny that Kamala, at that time, I think she's embarrassed that she might have to dress up and go out with her dad. But I think there's also like, why can't I just be who I want to be? Why can't I just present the way I want to present when I go outside?

And I think that that's such a universal feeling for anybody. And using cosplay as the thing, because, like, people don't just cosplay because they love these characters. People cosplay because it gives them this level of, like, control and care and showing the world. I care so much about this thing. Like, let me show you. And like it is very, you feel small when someone, especially someone you love like your mom and dad is like, actually this thing that you love and spend so much time on, oh, I'm disgusted by it. This isn't you. So I just thought that that scene was like beautiful and it made me cry because like I thought for her parents and a lesser show would have demonized her parents in that.

And this show is not like, no, they're trying their best. They're literally trying to meet Kamala, but they just don't know how to do it yet. And I thought that that was just, oh, chef's kiss. It was perfect. No, it's perfect because, like, of cool, like, you're watching it and you're like, I remember being a teenager. Yeah. Of course my reaction would be Kamala's reaction.

Of course, that's a reaction. Like, 100%. There's no way I'm letting my dad put green paint in his beard and walk around a convention with me. That being said, oh my God. I almost cried. I almost cried the second time watching that. It was like, it was so upsetting.

Can I ask you this? Because when, when her dad and her mom came, like, as a teenager, I'd be like, oh, No. No. But now as an older person, I'm just like, oh, no, I wish I would have done all of those things with my parents more. Like, that's actually the things that, like, I see why parents keep making that mistake because I'm like, now that I've grown up and I can't do those things with my parents, I'm just like, God damn. I should have. I just. I know. We all wish we were like cool enough to be like, what? This is fun. I'm having fun with my dad at this production center. And like my mom whipped together this costume in like less than 24 hours for both of us. like shout out to her. Shout out to her ability to pack leftovers and shout out to her ability to like, so I don't know if she has any powers, but I think they're just mom powers.

Mom of the year. Mom of the year. Yeah. And then you mentioned Zoe. I just want to shout out her getting smashed by Milneur was, well, we'll talk about the convention and all the stuff that we see there. But the giant swing Milneur was was pretty, pretty amazing. There's also a post-credit scene, damage control.

Any thoughts or feelings? about the increased damage control, which we first met in Spider-Man No Way Home. And Agent Cleary, who we first met in Spider-Man No Way Home is here. There's a new agent, Agent City Deaver, played by Alicia Rainer, who I know from Orge is the new Black, but it's been a ton of stuff. Do you care about damage control? Are you excited they're here? Are you like, how do you feel about it?

You don't care. They're fine. They're fine. I've been on a kick today. And I apologize for anybody who listened to the last minute. was I think we're getting to a point with comic book characters where everybody's like, are you excited that this person is here?

And I'm just like, dog, I didn't, I wasn't excited when they showed up in the comics. I wasn't excited. I've never been excited for a morbidus comic. I mean, that's my question. Like, have you ever, that was my question. Not like you have to be excited to see every single person ever, but like, I don't know if you're a secret damage control fan.

Maybe this is like your favorite institution in the Marvel universe. And you're like, hell yeah. Damage control is here. All I remember as a kid is, like I grew up in the era where like they were Marvel Comics was doing like an event every single, every single. There was Civil War and House of them. And every couple times they would try the same trick where they're like, all right,

we're launching a new damage control comic. And each time the comic book would flop and I would always know, no one cares about damage control. No one wants to hear about this cool event. And after the event, here are all the schmucks cleaning it up. Like I was just like, no one. All right. So damage control shows up the post credits and, uh, I was like, want, won't.

No, I love, here's the thing. I actually think it's cool that damage control is in this. I think it makes a lot of sense. I think I'm just being an asshole, as I usually am on the record. Listen, we all have our roles to play, our birds to bear, Charles. I think that I just love Ariane Moyad who plays Stewie on Succession so much that I'm like, when he, I got like hearts in my eyes when I saw him. Oh, Stuy.

Legend. Can I, this is not the Midnight Boys, but I do want a quarterflip. Okay. There's a scene with Kamala and, and her guidance counselor, where he starts singing a song of Moulon. Yeah.

Moulon came out in 1998. And when I saw that, I was just like, would someone Kamala's age have watched the 1998 version of Moulon? So it depends. How in the tank she is for Disney, right? Because so like when I was a kid,

I knew the words to all the Disney songs, like from the decades before my time. Just because like sometimes if you're like a Disney animation head, like, were these the classics? Like what were like what era was this? Like when I like when I was growing up, we're getting like the Lion King and Aladdin and like,

you know, we skip hunchback. because we don't care. And then like, Pocahontas is there. And that's very problematic now deeply. But like I knew the words to like the songs from Sleepy Beauty or Cinderella or Snow White, which came out long before I was ever born.

So like. Yeah. So did I. Those were also during the time where they kept releasing those VHSs. And if you were in school, it was just kind of right. You just have to. We brought this out of the vault.

You have to buy it now. You'll never see it again. They're like put a gun up to the head of Snow White. So maybe Jomi. Jomi. Are you still on the line? because Jomey is younger than I am. But, like, I don't know if Jomey, like,

cares about Disney songs. Oh, I'm tapped at. Okay. Yo, do you think someone Kamala's age, because you also have younger brothers, do you think someone's Kamala's age wouldn't know a song for Moulon? Yes.

Okay. I think because Moulon, like Moulon, Lion King, Aladdin, those are, like, the big ones, you got to, you got to know when those pop off. Okay. All right.

I mean, it's not, the best song from Milan. The best song from Milan is obviously make a man out of you. Also wildly problematic song. Sound deeply. So good. Deeply.

But it's a banger. We got to remember she's got an older brother too. And as somebody who's got an older sibling, when they put the VHS in the DVD, you just along for the ride. But like reflections, that song then he was quoting reflections. Like that's it. That's at every Disney karaoke.

Like that's a Disney girl jam. Yeah. Like 100%. All right. I just wanted to make sure. It's a good, it's a good question. All right. I get really sick and tired when like teens and shows have the same taste.

I mean, okay. Quarter flip back in your direction. Kamala is watching TV for split second and it is the TV series Felicity. She has turned on the TV and it was on, which is not what happens with the Felicity anymore. You got to find that at Hulu.com. I've seen many an episode of Bones trying to watch the NBA at TNT. Right. Like the last five minutes of every episode of Bones is the most interesting thing I've ever seen.

You know how every case is like lights up. You're there just in time for the pun, quib wrap up of Bones. Right. I'm like, is Bones going to get with this FBI agent, dude? Like, what's going on? Guys, like, wrap it up. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm locked in.

So I'm sure. There's no way she's watching Felicity. But wait, am I wrong? I might, this is not the ringer music show. I might have been dreaming this. Does she have a Strokes poster in her room? Did she? I didn't see it.

all I saw was like more Captain Marvel art than I've ever seen in my entire life. This might have been another show that also had a teenager in it. But a teenager, a teenager had a room on fire poster. And you're like, I'm like absolutely. I don't think you're cool enough. Absolutely. Okay. That's not a deep enough cut.

When Miles Morales had like a chance to rapper poster, even then I was just like, there's no way he has a chance to rapper poster at this time. A kid in New York is going to be like absolutely not. Here's what I'll say about the conclusion of Felicity, which I feel is a very, Gen X Millennial Cusp show I know that the kids love

the kids I just sounded older than Van in that moment but I know that the kids love like 90s shit right they love 90s stuff friends etc so like possibly but I didn't think Felicity had been so maybe just anyway

Felicity love Felicity that was the season one finale of Felicity when Ben kisses Felicity for the first time I recognized it from the split second of footage. Ballaro starts playing in the background. It's great stuff. I just imagine Joanna on her couch as soon as like the, like just a single frame. She's just the Leo pointing meme.

She's like, I've seen it. A hundred percent. Here's the thing. And then I went and watched that episode of Felicity. What would be a more realistic 90s show? Because I do think Kamala would be like, if she was watching like Buffy, I'd be like that in the sense. Dawson's Creek. I'm like, I can see.

Felicity. I mean, first of all, Felicity rules. This is nothing against Felicity. No, I know, I know. Secondly, co-created by JJ Abrams and Matt Reeves, two people heavily in the superhero genre these days, which is just like one of my favorite facts about Felicity that a lot of people don't know.

But also, I wonder if it's the show trying to tell us that like, hey, we're going to do some, this is a YA show. We're going to do some love triangles. We're going to do some Y.A. shit. Like, we're getting Felicity on you. Why else is that there? Unless it's just a favorite of someone who's in the writer's room. They're like, what if we put some Felicity in there?

Can we put the scene where Ben kisses Felicity for the first time? I honestly want to know if any kids, any kids watching this Marvel, like, we'll get any of these references. What is happening? I need everyone who's listening to let me know if they think teenagers watch Felicity. And should teenagers start watching Felicity? Another great question. I'll be honest. jump. I never heard of Felicity in my life.

For real? Until three minutes ago when we started having this conversation. I've never, I've never like... Jerry Russell, baby? I've never watched, like, more than, like, one episode of Felicity. I was more so a Seventh Heaven type of person. Oh, really? Seventh Heaven, like, my parents were weirdly religious, and that show was very, very weird.

And they also liked one that was, like, Roswell, I think it was called. Yeah. Just weird shows. Aliens. Yeah. You were on the WB, but you were on the like B side of the WB. Be very B side. Very B side.

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Save at Whole Foods Market. All right, so let's talk about the bigger picture in terms of like what they're going to do in TV. We talk about like the ways in which they are very faithful to the comics, but something we should say. And I don't think they're going to do this. I genuinely don't know, but I don't think so, is Kamala's main antagonist in the first few issues of her comic is like the brain of Thomas Edison trapped inside a like cockatiel heads body. a body with a cocktail head, right, called the inventor. I do not, I straight up do not think they are doing the inventor in this, even though they had a couple of Easter eggs.

Like they had like Edison Electric Sign and a cocktail in like the opening, like honor wall and the art or whatever. But if they did that, like do you think they could get away with doing that on this like kind of grounded street level show that they're trying to do? Ain't no way, you know. Ain't no way. I wish. I think, I wish. But then again, no kind of some of the budget constraints, some of these shows they're on. I think they might have dashed.

We know that an actor has been cast to play, the character of Kamran, who is like much more of the kind of villain that I would expect for something like this, especially if they're doing a Felicity-esque, like Love Triangle Bush. I don't think I got to the Kamran stuff in the comic books. Can you explain Kamran to me? a really hot guy who's really into her and then, uh-oh, like things go badly. Oh, so it's like a twilight love triangle between Comron. Well, he's also an inhuman, but he's not a great inhuman and he's sort of been playing her is the, is what happens in the comics. I don't know if they're going to do that in the show. Just because they've, like, Marvel does whatever it wants.

And just because they've cast an actor to play Conron does not mean they're going to do that. But, um, but that's the kind of like bad boyfriend. feels like, you know, and we're all seeing at home, like, crying tears for Bruno. But, like, that seems like more of the speed of what this show would be, which I like, keep it in the YA realm. Like, I think that's kind of cool. But the other question I have is, so they filmed in Atlanta, like the usual places, and then they wrapped shooting in Thailand.

And I have no good theories about why they went to Thailand to finish the show. Do you have any thoughts or theories about that? potentially, potentially. Hit me. We might get a scene set in whatever that realm is with the Bengal. Because when she goes back to the Bengal, we see a bunch of purple people standing there. And if Marvel loves to do anything, especially around the time that this Marvel was being created, it is generational superheroes. They black panther, iron fist,

be like, each decade gets their own version. So I could see that being potentially, I don't know, I could see that being a scene where like she travels inside the Bengal or she gets to talk to her grandmother or she gets to talk to like another person who was some version of maybe not Miss Marvel, but was some version of a earthly protector. I like this idea that, you know, the Bengal comes in a box with a bunch of other stuff,

including a bunch of cloth. And I want to shout out Ryan Erie over on Screen Crush, who theorized that that was like maybe her grandmother's like entire costume is in that box. Like her superhero costume is in that box. I thought that that might be something that like Kamala might use on her costume, but I like that. I like that more that potentially this is a past costume. I really think I really, I would not be surprised if Kamala is Kree. Like, and that's why, because it would be very, very funny. Kree, but not inhuman.

But not inhuman. They will never utter inhuman on this show ever. I'm wondering if, like, I don't know, like, just thinking about what Thailand looks like and thinking about what I know Pakistan looks like, like, it doesn't feel like Thailand's a good double for Pakistan, but, like, who knows?

Oh, I was thinking, like, potentially this might not even be Pakistan. This might just be, like, some type of like alien world or something where her like Thailand as an alien world. Yeah, something. I don't, I don't think. A lot of vines. It might be like traveling back in time or it might be like a, this is what the realm inside

of the bengal looks like. That's what I was thinking. Because there are a few Pakistan flashbacks to like partition and stuff like that in the comics. Okay. Well, please. If you have any Thailand theories, I would, like to hear them.

I'm just very curious about this. Because as far as I know, Marvel's ever shot in Thailand. I think that's such an interesting location to pick. It might have just been that COVID cases were super low in Thailand at the time and they're like,

this was safe to shoot near. Wait, do we think this was filmed in Atlanta, right? Mostly, yeah. Yeah, because when they were going around, I'm like, this isn't Jersey City. Oh, it's not Jersey. I was like, this is not Jersey City.

No, that's a back lot. But something I do love about the comic and the show is like the circle cue which is like where Bruno works like the fact that a bodega is the like central hang for this show feels very tri-state to me you know it all feels trice state i will i will say this too are we getting is marvel getting a little bit too cute with how much the people inside their universe know about the larger universe the self-refer the marvel in its self-referential phase they're like okay tell me

go there's a point where I'm just like I know Scott Lang as a podcast I know these things but every single movie it's just like I'm like y'all really really know what about the Avengers like Kamala knows a lot about Captain Marvel and like Captain Marvel from what we know from the last movie not one of the bigger heroes she's here one minute and then she's like gone for a decade or two I'm like, how did she become a fan? How does Captain Marvel get got a fucking poster?

Like, where's all this Captain Marvel merch coming from? She ain't one of the big Avengers yet. Like, everything that she's did in endgame is like, honestly at this point kind of hearsay. You know what I mean? I love Charles is like, is Captain Marvel that cool? I don't know. Did she, did she come out of space and punch a hole through a spaceship? I don't know.

I mean, here's the thing. They've been trying to make Captain Marvel in the comic. books work forever and like they've done a phenomenal job. No Captain Marvel has ever been cool. Like that's starting from the first one who died from cancer. That's Marvell. That's Carol Danvers. All of them to me are just like,

nothing characters. I really disagree with you in that I love the Kelly Codic run on Carol. I think that that shit slaps. It's not, it's nothing against any of the creators on it. It's more so just like Captain Marvel has the thing that I hate that superheroes have where it's just like, oh, their powers are energy stuff.

And I'm like, what? They're just like, yeah, they're like energy stuff. Well, the problem with Carol is that she's way too overpowered. And so they have to ship her off planet for most of the time. Otherwise, she would just solve everything in a snap all the time. But I do love this moment in the opening when they're trying to sort of like have their meta moment about why it's okay that Carol's rarely on planet. to sort of like let her live her life,

kid a woman live or something like that. I was like, okay, you tried. You tried to explain why Carol is never here. That's fine. You did try. I just, I don't want to be the wet blanket in the room, but I'm just like,

there's no way in the world. Captain Marvel in the MCU is going to have this many fans because she's literally on planet for five seconds. No one knows what she looks like. I mean, I think it's true that there wouldn't be like a full Captain Marvel cosplay event at AvengerCon. the first annual AvengerCon like a black widow

sure but like maybe not Carol something I love okay so the the girls get it done moment from endgame which I hate and the boys perfectly made fun of like I think it's stupid

the boys like forever made fun of that thing like made it hilarious in season two of the boys but Kamala is all in on it, right? Like in her reenactment of endgame, she put all, you know,

Tessa Thompson's up there. You know, like we're putting all the girls front and center, right? And then she's wearing a shirt, which you can buy, by the way, online. It's a ladies get information shirt, right? And it's our, it's our heroines assembling here. And there's a part, there's like a crusty part of me,

the part of me that, like, hates that scene. sort of melted away for a moment where I was like, well, if it's important to Kamala, like, that's cool. I don't know. Did it melt your heart in any way, Charles? So you just like get this out of here. Hell fucking no.

You want to know what I did? You want to know how heartless I am? It's like, yeah, double iced your heart, didn't it? I'm so heartless. There's a scene. Like, my girlfriend does not watch Marvel stuff, like sat down. I guess like she had seen some of the first scenes. And she was like, all right, I'll sit down and watch this.

And when Kamala's like walking through the high school and trying to get to her lockers and like the cool kids aren't moving, I laughed at the binocular. I was like, nerd, that's you. I don't give a fuck. Charles, would you have thrown a basketball at some child's head when you were a child? No, I was getting the basketball thrown at my head. Okay. No. No.

I was dodging. Self hatred. Okay. No, but now that I'm older and I'm a man of the world, I can laugh at nerds on screen. You, sir, you co-host a podcast about nerd culture. So, I don't know. Joe, don't let it get.

I don't know what you're trying to say. I want to talk about the visual style of this room. We talk about all this, like, creativity stuff, but there's like all bunch of, like, really cool, like, part of what, like, a big part of what makes the show so good. is the writing's great, lead actress, phenomenal find. Like, she's a newcomer. Like, they really hit gold with her.

She crushed it. But the inventive visual style of not just, like, all of her drawings coming to life and all of that stuff, the montages, the way that their text exchange is sort of integrated into the background or there's, like, one moment where the budget Alexa is, like, on the fritz and a light bulb goes on over Kamala's head. as she gets an idea, which reads very Edgar Wright, like Scott Pilgrim to me. That just feels so much more creative than a lot of the other Marvel Disney Plus stuff that we've seen.

How did you feel about it? I think that in any other show, I would have been like, oh, too much. Get it off the screen. Like, I literally would have been like, fuck this. On this, I don't know what it was. A part of my lizard brain that still loves comic. books still loves reading them and loves that tactile feel was like, oh, no, this is like perfect.

This is like the perfect use of this. Because like, all right, for example, like, you brought up Scott Pilgrim. It works for Scott Pilgrim because if you've read those comic books, you know so much it is about the self-referential nature of nerd culture and the things we love. And that is the character of Kamala. This is how Kamala thinks of the world. So doing that visually instead of, it usually, when I see it in pop culture, I'm just like, Oh, no, you're like hiding shit.

You're like, this is like, you're throwing the filter on. Oh, you need to, like, you distract from like shitty writing or like potholes or whatever. And this instead does the thing where I'm just like, no, this tells us something about Kamala, how she views the world, how she sees things. So instead of it being like, annoying, it's something where I'm just like, oh, no, this is cute because I know just by that little thing, how Kamala's feeling. Like when she does the text exchange with Bruno, that her mom said no. And like her text are the stars in the sky from her little nightlight. And his is like the, it's painted onto the ground.

As he's walking back to his apartment, I'm like, that's what it feels like to text your best friend in high school. When you wanted to go do something and your parents said you couldn't. That's that moment. And it captured that so beautifully. So I was just like, this is what the show needed. I think it's beautiful. So you love, I mean, like, despite some like bottles of hatred that you were spilling here and there on this podcast, like you love this show. You really like this show.

I love this first episode. Here's the thing. I, if I can joke with my hatred, that means that I like found stuff too much. Like that's like, that's my love language. I love this episode. Like, I really was surprised. Here's the thing. It is very rare that I'm the guy telling Van like, you know you need to give this a chance. Like you need to. give Miss Marvel a chance. It's really, really good. I think actually the thing that it did for me was that I think a lot of my issues with some of the Disney Plus Marvel shows is that I did not really know what they wanted to be. It seemed like Wanda Vision,

it seemed like Wanda Vision knew what it wanted to be. By the end of the last two episodes, I'm like, oh, man, you kind of deviated. I think Thalkin and the Winter Soldier is a similar thing. Moon Night, similar. It doesn't mean they were bad. It just means that they were trying to do a lot.

Yeah. And this Marvel from the first episode. I'm just like, this show knows what it is. This is the highest compliment I can pay it. It gave me, like, DeGrassey, the next generation vibes of like, you know what type of show. You want to make a high school, kooky adventure, John Hughes type of TV show. And that, to me, is beautiful because I felt like I was in good hands from the minute the episode started from the minute it ended. What about you, Jeff?

I feel like I haven't seen, like, this much creative vision from a show. Since Disney Marvel Plus show, since Wadivision. And then like I liked the Loki premiere, but and Loki, of course, is like a show that I like. But I would say that show meanders and it's like identity.

This feels, I completely agree with you, this feels like it knows exactly what it is. And it is just like, we're here to have fun. Guess what? We're here to have fun. And like, yeah,

we're going to give you some time. Yeah, you might get a little. emotionally upset when you see Kamala's dad so bummed out that his daughter has rejected him, but like we're not going that much deeper. You know what I mean? And I mean, I could be proven wrong. I've only seen two episodes. I don't know. But like it's a six episode season. Like I think we know what it is. And I am thrilled. And this is what I want from these shows. I want really distinctive flavors of, you know, which is like what it is to open up a comic book, right? And like, depending on the artist and the writer behind it, you're going to get something so different.

Marvel has always excelled at that in the comic side and has had here and there some saminess on the film and television side. So to see this feels just like really bold and fresh and exciting and I'm really excited. But in terms of like connecting it back to the bigger Marvel world. Okay, Kamala Khan, very popular character, but she got a huge advantage in her, like, early run. She got to hang out with two of the most fan favorite characters in Wolverine and Loki, right? And then later, like Tony shows up and Carol shows up and Miles is there, like Lockjaw is there, like all this stuff is happening.

It feels like we're definitely going to get a Carol Danvers appearance in this show. like Brie Larson has to show up in this show. But are there any other like cameos that you would want to see? Or do you want to keep it pure? Part of me wants to keep it pure because I do think that where these shows suffer is when they try to connect back to the bigger MCU thing too much. Would it be crazy after, after, uh, Bolteeverse of Madness to see Lockjaw? I know we know they're not going to do it humans

but I think they're going to do it humans but would it be wild I want Lockjaw Lockjaw Season 2 Lockjaw Miss Marvel Season 2 but I want him he's such a good boy I definitely want him but I don't think we're doing like riffs in the universe yet and I love that like

something I really loved about this show is that it definitely takes place after end game We saw that in the like opening. But much like Moonnight, we're not just like constantly dealing with the fallout of the snap. And whether or not that's realistic, I don't care. I'm just like tired of dealing with the fallout of the snap. They like, they did this to themselves where they like created this like world wrecking event. And it's like with damage control.

I don't want to spend like the next five years watching Schmucks clean up the damage. of the snap. Wait, when's the last time you think that they can mention the snap before you're just like, all right, this is, we're making a clean break, never bring up Thanos again. I mean, they're always going to, like,

they're always going to mention the end game battle. Same with the battle in New York before end game. Like, they're always going to mention it. But, like, poor Falcon and the Winter Soldier trying to, like, actually deal with the sociopolitical revifications of like, what if all the borders dissolved of all the countries? And you're like, too big!

Too big! you want to make. You know, so like Kamala, like, okay, protect my neighborhood. Make sure this convention that's happening at Camp Lehigh is fine. You know, protect the Circle Q, whatever it is. Protect my high school. Something like that. I would never protect my high school if I was a superhero.

I would never. I can't believe they were like, you know what we can handle in the span of a short superhero television show? what if all the borders dissolved of all the countries? Don't. I don't. Talking to the Winter Soldier isn't as bad as people remember as.

It was fine. It was fine. It was fine. It was fine. All right. Easter eggs. There's too many for us to get into everything. There's just way too much.

Do you want to pick a few of your favorites? Ooh, let's see. All right. I'm going to be honest. the Captain Marvel Mohawk helmet forever will be one of the dumbest

costumes. Just one of the most terrible, terrible. I will say this, because comic books have just not been... Comic books generally American superhero comics are not designed with any eye that is not super horny heteroman. These people do not know how to design costumes for women.

Captain Marvel has a long journey. It's something that the Miss Marvel comic books touch upon a lot. Her costumes have been very bad. The other years. But yeah, the worst one has to be the Mohawk. It's not the worst one because, like, at least she had pants when she had the Mohawk. You know what I mean? There's a long time where she's fighting crime with no pants.

But here's the thing. Here's the thing. This is what they tried to do. And I know people are going to get mad because they love this version of Storm. But I hate when they do this thing in comic books where you like, you know how we can show that a woman is badass and don't need no man, give her a Mohawk. And I'm like, guys, guys, we can do better.

We can do better than this. The, the atrocity, Mohawk aside, the atrocity that is Breilarsen's endgame wig, forever an issue. Carol, I want like a short, jaunty haircut for you, but that's not it. Also, I'm just like pre-excited for, Breelarses show

and be like, Hey Kamala Khan. Wait, can I also this is, this is light heatering. This is like light hatering. All right, people. I don't know.

You already went really hard on the bohawk. Okay. It me. I think it is, I do think it's sweet that there is like a pride flag on the Wakanda shield as guardian pride shirts.

Yeah. But. I've always said this. I just think Disney is too key. where I'm just like, until y'all put some LGBTQ characters on the screen, on the screen that are like in front of us

doing the thing, treating them like the nuanced, powerful individuals that they are, all of these nods to it are just kind of like, mop, like either do it or don't do it. Well, I agree with you in that it better be a promise because so as Guardian Pride, like Thor, Thor, Love, and Thunder's coming out. Yeah. we have been told that stuff is happening with Val Curie in that movie.

So I'm like willing to be like, okay, that's a promise of what's coming in Thor Love and Thunder. The Pride Flag on the Wakanda Shield, that is like, that's the thing that I texted to the group chat because I'm like, that better be something. Because that better be a promise of something because they cut that out of Black Panther. So you can't cut your queer representation out of the movie and then drape a flag on the shield. So I'm just saying in the upcoming various Black Panther properties that we're getting. I need some gay shit to happen in Wakanda or else I'm mad about the pride flag on the shield. Because there's a big storyline with the Dora Milaget, two members in the Ta-Nehisi Coates one, being in love.

And so much of that run follows those two characters. Here's the thing. I would be way less kind of annoyed by the pride flag on the Wakanda shield if they're like, no, we are going to do a storyline like this or something similar. in the next Black Panther to your point, Joe. If they don't do it, I'm just like, guys, like, no, this is why I hate, because

then we're all like, look at Disney. They understand. I'm like, no. I'm considering it a promise. I'm not like, oh, yay, the rainbow flag is there. That's not the promise. Oh, I didn't think you've thought that. That's the promise of something better happen in a future installment.

Stop being whusses about it, Disney. I'm going to shout out a few things. Oh, yeah. The thank you for saving us Memorial that had both Tony and fucking Natasha there. That was very important to me. Like helping to fix the Natasha erasure.

Wait, can I also say this though? Yeah. They really wish you wash you with how much the world knows about the Blackwood. Well, about all of this. To your point, about all of this. My only hope is that Scott Lang is on a podcast every single week being like, and then Natasha Romanov

fought her best friend and threw herself off a cliff to save all of us. Like, I'm hoping the podcast provides all that. I'm glad Natasha was there, but I'm always like, she's a spy, but the world knows she's an Avenger, but like how much? Like, but I'm glad that the both of them are best.

Finally, if someone wants to buy that Steve Rogers, America's ass, a fan art for me and send it, I would gratefully appreciate it. Thank you so much. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So it's all right for Steve to have America's ass. But when I'm on the Midnight Boys, everybody looks at me for, like,

that's not something that I should be trying. You could be like you be Jersey City's ass if he wants to be like a regional. Joe. That bar is so far on the ground. I could trip over it. Okay. Well, I declare it. Jersey City's ass.

Going on my tombstone. Great. Quotes. Jersey City's ass. All right. Jomey, for a third time I summon you like a gin. I can't believe that Charles, you think that you could be, you know, the face or the butt of Jersey City. The cheeks.

The cheeks. You know what I'm saying? We're going to do better for you, my king. First we're going to start with Manhattan. Oh, no. There's too many people in Manhattan. No, we don't get your cheeks on the Madison Square Garden, you know, Times Square. Time Square?

Yeah. All right. Yeah. You know. Manhattan's cheeks. I love it. Thank you for your service. Charles.

Got to think bigger for you, King. All right. Our first question comes from Jeremiah. With this show that is another person to add to the Young Avengers roster, do you think we're going to get a movie or a Disney Plus series? who do you think will be the next person to be introduced and who do you want to be next? Joe, do you want to go first?

I mean, listen, I don't know about this agenda, you know. I've been preaching this agenda for New Jones. I mean, Joe, me, yeah. If you want to, if you want to grab the mic and go. I'm here for it. Well, I think, so we know Kamala's next appearance is going to be in the Marvels. Yeah.

I don't know which other person we can add. Like, there's key. I know who they're going to have. There's a Patriot. Rui is coming. Ironheart's coming. That's true. That's true.

She's coming. So ultimately, like, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of characters that can be in it. We're not even thinking about the twins, Billy and his brother, whose name is Casey right now. Okay. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy and Tommy.

Is ever since they sang, they're really creepy ice cream song? I don't know that I want them. Yeah. Oh, no. We got an ace. Them kids is cute. We got, I'm going to pitch you guys on something.

I need some TikTok stars up in there, bro. Like, come on. They've been introducing most of the Young Avengers in the TV show. We know, I believe, secret invasion is coming imminently. That's going to be about scrolls. We know that Hulkling.

Spoiler alert is half scroll, half crete. Do we think that we potentially get Hulkling or a character reference to be Hulkling in Secret Invasion? which is a story about the scrolls coming to invade. Oh, I know about secret scrolls. Yeah, I would love Hulkling in that.

We're also getting a new Cassie Lang. Oh, yeah. Our third. So that begs the question. Here's the thing. If I'm being real, I think the thing that the MCU just needs to do is just make multiple Avengers movies. Like, there should be a young Avengers movie.

There should be a new Avengers movie. There should be a dark Avengers movie. Just give us the movies. if they are going to try to do a Young Avengers TV show on the budget that they are currently producing these TV shows, it's going to be big butt booty cheeks. Like, I don't know what's...

Charles, I'm not to tell you, my man. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't think people are going to line up to go see the Young Avengers in the movie theater. I think it's a TV show. I think it's a TV show. No.

Yeah. I think that's what it is. I'm not mad about that. Like, we're going to see it again. I'm not going to be like, like, who I'm not going to be sad about it. I have like post-traumatic. Defenders syndrome.

Remember the Defender series where they wasted an entire Sigourney Weaver on like a bullshit TV series that no one remembers? We can pin that on Iron Fist. I'm putting all of that on Iron Fis. There is no way.

I will say now, there is no way they can pull off a Young Avengers TV series on Disney Plus in the current way that they're making shows. I don't believe you. Absolutely no.

I don't believe you. I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. Really? I think they can do it. I like you so much. I would vote for you for Manhattan's cheeks, but I think you're wrong.

I don't think. How are they going to do all that CGI? Listen. Yeah, that's a long pause. That's a long... I'm going to wait to answer that question after I see She-Hulk. Yeah, like, come on.

After I see what I see with She-Hulk. I mean, there's a lot of time and there's a lot of characters. So it'll be interesting to see, are we doing the six episodes, eight episodes, or is it just a Disney Plus movie, right? Is it like a Disney Channel original movie? A direct to Disney Plus movie?

That's tough for the young event. You know what I'm saying? But I don't, but again, like, there's no, I don't think there's any way they can like, yeah, man, come, come to the theater and watch Hulkling and, you know, speed and wicking. Yeah, and people said that about Sharkey. People said that about Dr. Strange.

Come on. Say that moment. Use your brain sense. There's no way. It's going to depend on like how much of a smash this show is, right? Like if Miss Marvel's like Cape Bishop is relatively popular, we love Haley, right? I don't know if they're considering Yelina Bolova because she's a fully adult woman, a young Avenger, but like they could. She's popular.

And if Miss, you know, if Miss Marvel's popular. It's tough to be. be like Miss Marvel you was just in one of the biggest superhero movies of all time. Go take your ass to Disney Plus. That's tough. If I'm the agent I'm like, come on, come on. No, but I think they're not making that distinction

anymore. I think they're not making that distinction anymore. If Falcon can go from like a TV series to a Captain America movie back to a TV series or like you know, Wanda can go back and forth. Like I don't think they're calling they're trying to create a new normal world. This is not minor leagues. Yeah, but here's the thing.

They doing this with people who were like who were previously in the minor leagues. Like you can't tell. They weren't going to tell Chris Evans like, yo, Chris, take your ass to DC Plus. They could tell that to Anthony Mackey because they were just like, dude, like you were the Falcon before this. Like, come on, man. Now you're the one

disrespecting Falcon. I mean, ultimately it comes down to like, are people going to like sit and watch this content? I think there's room for it. But it's just going to have to be, you know, on the Disney Plus budget. And, like, I would be clear, like, if they make a movie, that'd be awesome.

After I go to theater, see Haiti Steinfeld and I'm going to say yes. All right. Go take a cold shower, Joe. Like, you know, I'm not going to say no, you know what I'm saying? But I just ultimately think this is a, it's definitely a Disney Plus series, you know, eight, eight to six to eight hours of all these people running around. I'm in, I'm tap. I mean, I got this agenda. So, like, you already know.

Here's the thing. With how they did She Hulk, I'm really worried about Ironheart. costume. That shit's gonna do. Listen, we're just gonna have to see what the final render on Sheilk is. They're probably in the farm, the render farm right now. I am holding out

hope. It's cooking right now. No slash low expectations. It could be great. It's gonna be awesome. All right, our next question comes from Peter. Anyone else getting major into the spider first vibes?

such fun mixed medium storytelling. Yeah, I think all like all like into the spider verse, especially like those closing credits that they did for that perfect exquisite, maybe the best superhero film ever. And then yeah, all the Tom Holland shit. Like they're chasing that John Hughes vibe. But like all that multimedia stuff.

Like if you look at the closing credits for the Tom Holland trilogy, they look very similar to all of Kamala's video stuff. What do you guys think? Oh, yeah. They're definitely getting the vibes. I also think that like superhero movies and superhero media are finally learning how to tell teenage stories. I think for so long there was the big Robin fear of like, nobody's going to take a teenager seriously running around.

And I think they're getting that like actually it's not. you convincing us that a teenager could be a superhero in live action. It's actually just you have to convince us that you can write teenagers well. And then we will go along for the ride. That's what people have been doing for generations in the context. That's what I'm saying. Like someone, a friend of mine who's so smart was talking about the show and he was like, yeah, but it's like it's a good teen family drama.

But I don't know if it's like really a superhero thing. And I'm like, but isn't, aren't the best superhero films. have like a core other story that they're telling. Yeah. Like we talk about Winter Soldier all the time because that's like, you know, an espionage thriller that could work even without powers. You know what I mean? And then it's just made better by powers.

And so like this could be a like my so-called life-esque teen family drama or to use Charles's generation, DeGrasi, the next generation. Or Jomey, I don't know what your generation watched Teen TV wise. I think it was also DeGrasi. Great. But like, it could be that. But then we just put powers on top of it.

And that's what like Buffy was, right? Like let's take high school's hell, but they're literal monsters here. So. Yeah, I don't see. I'm just, I'm just violently agreeing with you. Yeah, I disagree with the fact that like, oh, no, but it's not a good superhero. I'm like, some of the least interesting shit about Buffy was the vampire slang. It was all of the interconnected high school hijinks between like who's in love with who, who hates who.

so I think they're actually right with this where it's just like it's way more important for you get the high school right and then the superhero shit will follow. Exactly. You guys aren't going to believe this but I've never seen Buffy. I think I already do that about you

and someday I mean we'll add it to the long list. I've never I've never finished your palm through stuff Jomey. But also I don't know if anyone can watch Buffy in 2020. It's tough. Knowing everything I've read. It's hard.

So, like, you kind of had to be there. Because now we know too much. Time comes for us all. It comes for us all. All right. Our next question comes from Jan. Sure thing, Jan. I picked up Miss Marvel Volume 1 to prep for the show.

And it was the best comic I've read since Runaways, volume 1. For you, what was the most recent comment that made your head explode emoji? I have a great answer for this. A comic that I just went to my local and picked up two weeks ago, which is Wonder Woman Historia. I already mentioned Kelly Sue DeKonic, but they're doing this sort of like Amazon origin story comic book thing, Wonder Woman Historia. And Kelly Sue, I will read anything she writes, but the art in this shit is bonkers. A friend of mine recommended it to me and he's like, I know usually, like to read your comics digital. He's like, get your ass in the comic store and pick up a print

copy because the art is so incredible. You're going to want to like have your fingers on it. And it's so good. So volume one, value two are out. And then and they and volume one just like cleaned up the comic awards this last year. And I think volume and sold out too. You can't, you can't actually get it anymore. And then volume three is actually, going to come out for a little while. Anyway, Wonder Woman Historia, long story short. Go to your local library. Check that thing out. Okay. This question is tougher for me because I read a shitload of manga and I have abandoned American comic books because I've broken my heart one too many time, the most toxic relationship

in my life. So I will say for y'all out there, Beast Stars is a great, is a great manga. It is about... He's his face right now. Sorry. I didn't. interject, but I've never seen Joey make that face. Why? Here's the thing, right?

I haven't read the manga. I watched the thing on Netflix. It's nuts. I was not ready for any of that. I was not ready for any of that. Wild. Wild. Wild recommendation.

He stars is great. It's about, it's about anthropomorphic teenagers, herbivores and carnivores who have to learn to live together. And like, in the first comic book, a carnivore eats,

serving more friends and these animals in drama club have to like figure out who did it and it's great and a wolf falls in love with a little rabbit. Tell that story. Tell it be what happens. No, I'm not, no, no, no. Just read B stars. If you're below the age of like 13, do not read B stars. It's a great comic book. I love it. It's on Netflix. What do you want me to do? Stop acting to make me look like a freak.

It's not. You're never going to win men. and cheeks with a, you know, you gotta be wholesome. Gotta be wholesome. Gotta be wholesome. I actually just picked up Jonathan Hickman's Fantastic Four Run. Oh, nice. I got the omnibus of volume one here. And I got volume two right here.

Yeah, you could just throw volume two. I'm never. Oh, I'm back to put the future foundation, man, I'm tapped in, brother. Spider-Man, you know, the whole thing. I'm really, I'm really interested to see. You know, the whole thing is like, here lies a member of the Fantastic Four. And you're like, oh my gosh, who does? But then the other Omnibus has somebody missing.

Like, that's who does because they're not on the cover. You spoiled it for me. Thanks, book. But no, I'm really tapped in Fantastic Four. It's like, I've known, like, that was my first foray into the comic book world. So I'm really excited to, like, get into this, like, meat potato story that's very essential to their run. I will also say it. Like, I don't always say this when we cover comic book stuff.

but like go read G Willow Wilson's like run on Miss Marvel. Like it's incredible. Went from like 2014, 2019. There's like an interstitial, their Civil War event and like Kamala going off to join the Avengers. But like all of the books that she wrote and a variety of artists worked on top tier. Yeah, well, I will say the problem that Marvel and American comics have is like, this Marvel starts out so good. And then there, to your point,

are so many forks in the road where, like, if you're reading, you're like, oh, this was from a dumb event. Like, there's like two chapters where you're like, all right, this is, we could just skip through that. There are a few of those. I did, like,

what I just did a full reread and there's a few where I was like, okay, yada, yada, Yada, Yada, Civil War II. Yeah. Yada, yada, yada. Invented tension between Carol and Tony. Yada, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Tough. I mean, bonus question for me, Charles, you asked this on a other thing. Are we going to see Captain Marvel and War Machine, you know, out on a little date? You know what I'm saying? Getting some, uh. In Paris, you know, getting some S-cargo on the Sen. I feel like you have not seen Carol Danvers haircut.

Oh! Yo! Oh! Yo! I'm not touching that. I'm not touching that. In pride months. In prime months.

I'm not. It's queer ratio. Oh my goodness. That's as out of left field. Oh my gosh. All right. Our next question comes from Brandon. That's so funny.

Is the lack of Spider-Man of representation at Avengers con solely due to the Sony of it all? Or do you think the any universe explanation is the no way home spell? Both. Both. I feel like the no way home spell as like as sure as I'm increasingly

like wondering if Tom Holland is probably going to come back to Sony because they're like here's all the money in the world. And he's like sure I like money. Like the way that they ended that movie in a way that like they could just shake the extra sketch and Peter Parker was never here

is smart, right? Because like if they had to, Tom Holland wasn't coming back then they don't have to deal with where's Peter Parker the same way, where's Carol Danvers, you know? I mean, but wait, Spider-Man was still on the Avengers.

Just no one remembers who he was, right? Exactly. Yeah. So he technically is still, like people could still People remember Spider-Man. I was going to say that, yeah. People would still remember Spider-Man. Spider-Man will still exist. Messy joint custody of Sony and Marvel then.

Yeah, they're not finity. You're not going to make money off us, Sony. That's what, you know what I'm saying. They're like, we'll let you use damage control from our movie. That's it. It was like, no free ads. Sony was like, no, let me just check. According to Kamala Khan, Spider-Man was not in the battle with Thanos.

Yeah, right. Arjuna just putting the chat. strange references of multiple-person madness. Like he knows. Right. Spider-Man is out there in the streets. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And Sony need the money too because Morbius ain't hitting like it's supposed to. Damn. They try to be not a second time. You're not. It's not morbid time for me. No. Hell no. It's not more.

Too morbis? No. No. Not me. You're not going to get, you're not going to sleep me out there in the streets with my Jared Leto t-shirt on. No, that's not. 30 seconds to Morb.

No, that's not it. I'm not there yet. I'm not there. But are you going to buy the ladies get information t-shirt? What is it? Is that available? Can I get that? Yeah.

You weren't listening to him? Of course it's available. I don't. Sometimes Jomey goes to the bathroom and it's okay. He's the human. I can't use a bathroom. I can't make sure my, I can't make sure my work phone is like Joe in the vicinity.

Joe hasn't heard the latest midnight boys, but Jomey, I'm going to be real with how much water you're stealing from Sam's Club. No wonder you go to the bathroom at the time. I'm sorry. Jomey, do you have a water scheme going on? I don't have a water scheme. Do we need to call the authority? So a peek behind the curtain to everybody who's listening.

You know, part of podcasting is sometimes thinking on your feet, you know, being, you know, flexible, right? And one thing I'm good at is improvisation, right? So they asked me a question about diversions and I went through this whole tale, right? And I just went straight off the dome. And now the men and I boys are concerned about my living. living situation. If I need fresh water. Yeah.

That was like, I'm just making, ask the question. Oh my God. And I took it to the F degree and they're like, Jomi, do you, are you okay? This is like, if this were a comic book, there would be a little box at the bottom of this panel that would have an asterisk. It's like, see latest midnight voice.

Let's be clear. For an explanation. The entirety of the ringerverse are just little editors box. be like, if you want to know where stop the cap came from, listen to Midnight Boys. Yeah, if you don't know what a quarter flip is, I don't know what to tell you, man. Don't know what to tell you.

You had to be there during the Hawkeye run. Yeah. You can't list an episode. Oh, man, I'm fine, though. I am, my water situation is good. I was just, you know, look, I haven't slept in 30 hours, right? The brain, I was just going off instincts, you know. So I think, I think it was good.

Okay. Let's do one last mailback question, and then you get to take a nap. about that, Jeremy. The NBA finals are on. There would be no sleep for, no sleep to Manhattan Cheats. Okay.

I'm tough. All right, guys. Very good. Our last question comes from Maddie. What would your AvengerCon cosplay be? Be really real with you. I am

going as Hulk and I'm taking Kamala's dad with me. And we're going to have the best time. That's so sweet. And he's going to dry his little tears. We'll reapply the green paint over his tear streak. And we'll just have a ball. I love that.

Camal's dad's a little bit of a batty. Like, hey, you want to take me anytime you want. Come on. Pay my rent. Ah! All right. Oh, man. A moment, Charles.

Oh, wow. You were never winning cheeks of anywhere. Oh, man. It's all letting it fly today, huh? I'm sorry, guys. I would go as vision, but when he gets the stone, take it out of vision. Oh, like busted vision, like grayed out vision. I kind of love that.

That's actually great. That's a great idea. Let's be clear, let's be clear, nobody at the con would know what the fuck is happening because they never saw it. They would. Oh. They never saw a vision. Yeah. Yeah.

Do they even know that Vision is on the Avengers? That's what I was saying. There was Vision cosplay at the con. So here's what I'm saying because in Spider-Man, far from home, he's on the in Memorial, right? Like he's in the PowerPoint. But when they was like, Natasha and Tony, I was like, no vision. Yeah.

That's tough. Oh, robot rights. That's tough. Another black brother getting left out. The brother, Vishan. Oh, Vishan. Man. It's tough.

For me it's like they know what the Guardians of the Galaxy look like. Like there's Drax cosplay there. So do you think Scott Lang is like describing what Drax looks like on his podcast? Hell yeah. Were there cameras in the battle of Thanos? Okay. I'm never going to get over this. All right.

Jemmy, what are you, what are you wearing? What am I wearing? So I am like not into like cosplay or costume. I don't know what it is about me. But, like, all my Halloween costumes are, like, stuff I can find in my closet and wear. And I'm, like, look at me. I'm, you know, Martin McFly from Back to the Future because I had a red, somebody brought a red vest of the crib. That's, like, two sides is too small.

But, like, I had to dress up with something, right? Yeah. And so I would probably go as Tachala, but, like, in, like, you know, in civvies. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm Tachala, but, like, you know what I'm saying? No, but, like, no, but. But, but better. better is what was your moon night character?

It was like moon shade, right? Oh, Mr. Shade. Mr. Shade. Mr. Shade. Mr. Shade is my favorite thing you've ever invented. That's true. You get to wear your civvies. At the Avengers Con, they wouldn't know.

They'd be like, who is this guy wearing all black? Can we? You would explain it. You'd be like, listen. There was a, there was a Dr. Strange Elvis at the Avengers Con. There was someone who was dressed as Elvis as Dr. Strange. So listen. You just be like, listen.

They call me Mr. Shade. What can I tell you? Oh my gosh. That would be fun. And that's Miss Marvel. That is Miss Marvel. What a wild ride, Joe. What a wild.

Just one last thing for we get out of here. Who do you think had a better podcast today? Us or Scott Lang. Honestly, here's the deal with Scott Lang's podcast. Make or break on the guest. Yeah. Make or fucking. It is very guest heavy.

And you can tell that. Well, think about it. He can be like, hey, yo. You know, like he just hold. Come on in. Evangeline Lily. You know, Wasp, come on in. You know what I'm saying?

Ayo from Wakanda, come on in. We're going to talk. Wong. I know Wong, but Wong definitely been on the pod. He's been, no, he's a guest on the pod multiple times. Yeah, Wong's like, bro, freaking Benedict Coverbats call me and was like, hey, you got to come, got to get everybody from the sanctums. But not every great hero is a great podcast guest.

Yeah. And so I'm saying if, like, a Koye was on. that's a dry no that's a dry she's monosyllabic I love her she's monoselabic I'm sorry

Joe you've been in the content minds longer than me Joe you I've noticed this about people best interviews sometimes aren't the big ones

it's the people who don't got shit like they're just like yo you're gonna shoot the shit Darcy is the best interview right she's just like yo what do you want to know

I'll tell you all the good shit I mean she wasn't there at the battle but I understand if you want an interview about Westview, yeah, that'd be fire. Like that would be hot. She knows a lot of things. She can tell you hidden stories about the word. You never even hurt.

She can give you a little preview of what's to come for Jane Foster. Darcy can give me. But the thing about Akai, like, who I love, she didn't want to do this podcast interview. She doesn't even really like Scott Lang that much. She's way more important things to do. That's a dry interview. And that's fine. I mean, like, I think

Oh, Louise would be a perfect. Perfect guess. You're right. Steve, Steve Allman. Ghost on the podcast, Zoom. Steve Allman is here saying Luis from, like, I don't know why Louise is in Scotland's permanent co-hosts on that podcast, by the way. No, they're the midnight boys.

They're the midnight boys. The MCU. I think O'Coye would, like, definitely try to protect Wakanda secrets, for show. Like when he asked Bob O'Connor's like, I can either confirm nor deny the, you know, the answer to that question. But if he was like, hey, man, how was this? She's like, hey, it was crazy, man, you know.

Scarlet Witch was out there messing with it. I'm saying it was me. I had Mantis on one side. I had was on the other side. Where was she the whole time? Exactly. You know, she got bans. She got a few jokes.

It's true. All right. I think we did it. I think we did Miss Marmel episode one. We'll be back next week with Joe. We'll hear and Steve will hear Junior Mints line up. Let's Marvel episode.

Get into formation. I get it. Formation. Like I said before, you can right now find in your feed, the Midnight Boys, talking about water, question mark, and Jomey's Adventures in Sam's Club.

On Friday, Mallory and I will be here and talk about Obi-1-Connobe, because we care about Obi-1-Kin-O-B. We'll be here to talk about Obi-W-W-W-N-Knoby. episode four. And then Van and Charles and I will be back on Monday to talk about the boys. So that's it. That's the ring or verse.

We're full of content now these days. There's something for everyone. Brimming. Too much. To the brim. Special thanks as always to our Jenner Ram Kapal for his production work on this episode. And for Isaiah Blakely for coming in and cutting this all together and make us sound so nice, nicer, dare I say, than Scott Lang.

Ant man. Do you ever do you think he ever podcast when he's tiny like tiny? Absolutely he's trying Like scotling Sitting on the mic? He's definitely had some ants on the podcast.

Definitely. Oh yeah. Anthony Anderson. Uh-huh. Antony. Okay. I will bump a quay for Anthony as the worst podcast guest.

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