The Ringer-Verse - ‘Ms. Marvel’ Episode 3 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

Van, Charles, and Jomi return with their reactions to Episode 3 of ‘Ms. Marvel.’ They start by discussing Kamala as she learns the origin of her powers (6:12). Then, they discuss Aamir’s wedding and Kamala’s fight scene against Najama and her friends ( 28:43). They wrap up by answering a mailbag question(1:04:30). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the ringer's nexus podcast fee for all things fandom. We are. Jomi Dixplanoran, you've got questions. He's got answers. We are old man, man. He of the soon-to-be-returning

airline. We are. Poe Baby Chuck, the 24-carat closer. You know what we have in? We have Action Jackson with us today. You?

What up? That's like, that's like, that's not my name I didn't know it's cute That's not my name I wanted to see if he's going to ask somebody else's his name You have Isaiah in here

Isaiah I don't know how to spell your name How do you spell it before? Yeah but don't people spell it different ways Like OG Isaiah Thomas did So that's what messed my name up A little bit for people Why don't you tell the people

Who you are Isaiah? I'm Isaiah Blakely I'm from Boston I'm pop hash podcast producer here I've done it for Steve today Oh wow That is like maybe the worst self-intro. Like, come on.

Isaiah, let me tell you something about it. Let me tell you about. Act like you've been somewhere before. Come on, this is a real, bro. It's a tough question, to be honest. Isaiah is somebody that I worked with a lot at the ringer, but I think they felt like we were getting too black and then they split us up.

Yeah, it must have been not, yeah. Jesus Christ. You know what I'm saying? Like, even Isaiah's shirt right now, I'm not bullshin you. Isaiah's shirt right now says, more female, Female, black, Latinx, indigenous, Asian, LBTQ plus voices in sports. Is there? It says in sports.

That's what his shirt says, but then it says dot, dot, dot, but not in comics. Oh, my gosh. Okay. We are here today to do episode three of Ms. Marvel. There's a little bit of a shift. Joe was supposed to be with us. Things happened. And now we're giving you more Midnight Boys for the week.

Programming reminders. San Steve. San Steve. Steve abandoned us. Steve, Steve has been in and out with the Midnight Boys. Like,

there's something happening behind the scenes, guys. It's becoming an issue. It's becoming an issue a little bit. Behind the scenes, well, you know, Steve has some extra responsibilities. Mm-hmm.

And so now we have to make a reservation and an appointment to have Steve on the podcast. Oh, my God, I'm Steve. Favler Man, what are you going to say? All right. Programing reminders!

Okay. On Friday, the House of Rour will be returning. to give you their deep dive on the season finale of Obi-Wan Kenobi. By the way, we had our thoughts on Obi-Wan-Kan-Kanoby,

we take nothing back. It's the way we felt. For the people that are looking at me, like, man, how did you love Obi-Wan-Kan-Kinobi. God damn, and I loved it. I'm a child. And I got filled with Star Wars Wonder Man, I loved it.

Chuck didn't like it. So the fuck what? Kalika didn't like it. Kalika, my woman, wasn't fucking with it. Come at her. I dare you.

Leave my family out of this. Some people like some people didn't. You guys, that's what we do. We're talking about stuff. Okay, on Sunday Minute Diction comes back. Give us their thoughts on season three of the Ubrilla Academy. I'm really super looking forward to this because you guys have been teasing some spicy thoughts. There's a heavy, I don't even think it's spicy.

It's just, yeah, if you've seen it, you know what we're talking about. And so we get into it. We get into it. I have to watch it all and then, is it streaming now? It is streaming right now on Netflix, all 10 episodes, diving before we go live on Sunday. Y'all are going to have to do a part one, part two, part three of the mid edition. We ain't doing the whole drop.

Yeah, I don't like that. I ain't going to be able to listen to the episode for like a month. Yeah. I mean, how long is the episode? Episodes of like 45 minutes each. Yeah, see. You got to do 45 minutes on a whole season of television. Listen, me and Steve are concise.

We handle our business professionally. And we got a great pod for you guys. So I can't wait for you guys to listen. Yeah, that's true. Think about it. It's been six minutes and we're not even out of the program. We're reminded us. Yeah, see, we don't do that over there.

Oh, oh, excuse me. Oh, God. Sorry. All right. All right. Monday, we'll return to react to the latest episode of the boys. And next Wednesday, the Midnight Boys will return to talk about episode four of Miss Marvel. On today's show, we'll be taking a look at episode three of Miss Marvel.

Chuck Watt. Let's roll the spoiler warning and let's talk about this show, but let's also talk about some of the conversation around this particular episode of Miss Marvel. Because Ms. Marvel is unique in the Marvel world and that it is a show that is dealing with a fantastic superhero coming of age story,

but also a tremendous amount of culture is infused into the show. And I think that's an amazing thing. But when that happens, there are going to be spots where people disagree a little bit more vehemently with things. We're going to talk about one of those disagreements

on the other side of us. But before we do that, Isaiah, please, please, give me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Miss Marvel. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, before we talk about the talk, let's get our reactions on this episode. We're going to start with Jomi. Jomi, what do you think? I had so much fun watching the episode. between, you know, getting all the lore on Kamala and then the wedding was just awesome. Yeah, like, it was amazing.

Total blast watching that entire scene. So I really liked this episode of Miss Marvel. I'm going to let Chuck have the last word, so I'll say I agree. I thought, I love, man, you guys ever see those Instagram videos where it's guys and gals and they're dancing and they're from other cultures

and they're doing their wedding dances and stuff? I love that stuff. I love the differences that bind human beings. I went to an Armenian wedding one time. I tossed some money around. We were drinking. We were having fun. And I was like, you feel human because we have our own cultures and traditions.

And other people have their own cultures and traditions. And seeing that on screen, it always makes me feel a part of the show a little bit more. I really love watching that type of stuff. So that plus, I just think the character of Kamala, is easily the most likable, root forable character in Marvel in a long time. So she's great. So I really enjoyed the episode.

Charles, what do you think? Yeah, I'm with you, man. Obviously, everybody knows The Midnight Boys is a very black show. But I don't know about you, Vail. Like, you can't invite me to, like, like, if it's a different race, religion, you can't invite me to your wedding because I'll have too much fun.

I'm, like, the type of person to be like, yo, I want to eat everything. Like, let me know, like, what, like, what are y'all doing? And, like, it's, I think the genius of this show in a lot of ways is that it's just teaching me about, like, Pakistani culture a lot and just, um, Muslim culture and all of these things. And it's doing it in such a joyous way that, yeah, I think, I think all of that stuff is just super fascinating. And, um, having Miss Marvel at the center of it, uh, yeah, great character. Like, but to be that, the culture is important. But it's also important that they've woven it into, the story in a really usable way like the utility of the culture. It's not just it

I don't want to say it doesn't feel forced because then it makes me seem like some kind of curved hat wearing in cell from Twitter. But what I'm saying is it's a part of her story. And it's an integral part of her story. It's genuine.

Yeah. That's the part. It feels real. Like we're in this world with her and her family. And like we mentioned in the previous episodes, just that entire world feels so real. And you're so immersed in it that like, everything that happens, you're like, yeah, like, I'm rocking with this. I see where her family made this decision.

I see why she would make this decision. Why Bruno, why Nikia, all that. It just feels so real. That's why we're having so much fun with the show. Can I just say this? Are the, I'm at the point, are the, just Kamala with her family, Kamala at school stuff,

way more interesting to some of the superhero stuff? Like, like when she's just, like chilling with her family and like it's actually a teen show. I think I enjoy it way more than some of the superhero stuff that's in the background. That's not bad or anything that I think is actually something that works because it's a TV show. If this was, I still think it should have been a movie, but if this was a movie, I don't know if you have time for the wedding scenes. I don't know if you have time for her to really develop a relationship with her parents. Like I think the actors who are playing her parents are doing an amazing job. The father in particular. That they're

had. Like I was like I was kind of getting emotional some of the talks that her mom was having with Kamala about moving to America. Her dad having the conversation with her brother kind of about what it means to choose love and family. Like that she got to me.

Well you know what's interesting about that is that I don't know that I agree but I see why you say that. And I think that's an interesting thread because to me in shows like this I often feel that the superhero stuff is the easiest stuff to pull off, right? Like, we're all kids

at heart watching this. So, fly somebody through the sky, have them punch through something. That stuff is easy. And the character stuff really is, that's really the backbone of any good story like this. And I feel like

they're nailing that so much. I don't know what kind of superhero, because I've watched, we haven't gotten the chance to talk about Miss Marvel yet. There's an element here that's interesting for me. The element is that you have a superhero, right?

And at some point, you're going to have to be okay with that character being placed in immense danger. Because a superhero, like, has to, like, risk their life and stuff like that to go out. And even with Spider-Man sometimes, Spider-Boy, let me talk about him first. Sometimes I would watch him and I would be like, I like this kid so much and I'm into whether or not he is going to be able to dance at the prom so much. And as an older guy, I'm like, I don't want him to risk his life to, like, fight vulture. I want him to study hard and go to college.

And with her, it's actually, I don't know if this is a function of how good the show actually has made me connect with the character. I actually get tense when I see people trying to harm her. When I see her in harm's way, I'm like, shit, watch out. And so is that kind of For you Charles Is that for the superhero stuff

You're talking about Why isn't it working? For me, it's not that it's not working I'm not waiting for her to beat anybody up I'm hoping she doesn't get harmed And that's like a different way To watch superhero content to me I think one of the reasons that it's not working for me

Is because I think in An effort to Change Kamala a little bit So she can function in the marvels when she's in that movie later with Carol Damers and everything. They had to rejigger her power set and her origin. And I think the thing that's coming up is twofold. The first thing is that like,

the reason somebody like a superhero like Spider-Man works is if like no one has ever read a Spider-Man comic, you're like, describe Spider-Man to me. Like, oh, he's a teenage boy with Spider-Powers. You know, someone's like, what about Wolverine? He's like, he has claws on his fist. It's easy. Like, in one sentence, you're like, this is the character.

With Kamala, it used to be simple. used to be like, oh, one day, Funky Mist came to Jersey City and now she can stretch and grow. And you're like, cool, stretchy powers, growing powers. Got it. With this series, we still don't know what the powers are.

They're tied to the Bengal. In this episode, we realized that, like, the Bengal has some kind of connection to potentially the Kree, the 10 rings from Shang-Chi, and this gin interdimensional world. And when I was doing some research

on like gin and everything, I ran across an article where some some people are upset, some people from the Muslim community. Some tweets are like, how is the first Muslim MCU superhero being a gin in actual possibility? What are they thinking? Miss Marvel was going in a good direction too. And otherwise it was a great episode.

That's horrible change from the comics. Another tweet said, when they said Kamala's grandma or even her as a Jin as a Muslim, I was personally offended. Like what? Having gin powers in Islam could mean shirk, a huge sin. I'm just asking are the writers Muslim because this ain't it? And that's something that I didn't even know. Like, I'm not even going to act like I knew that this would be something that would upset people because I'm still learning about this culture. But I do think that what's happening in the show is that to make Kamala fit more into the MCU visually and next to Captain Marvel, you're kind of making her origin a little bit more complicated.

And I think that complicated nature seems to be ruffling feathers. And from a story perspective, I'm like, man, it's just something's not clicking on that front. Interesting. So I am almost completely ignorant in terms of gin and what that means and where comes from and what I have like the faintest knowledge of it. Jomi, the explainer, would you care to help us out here? In terms of the comics? Yeah, in terms of, in terms of Jomi, the explainer, tell us who and what clandestine and

the gen are. So, clandestine was founded by Adam of Destin. And long story short, he got into a little. a little tiff. He found, he saw an angel in a dream and the angel ended up giving him powers. And he fell in love with a gin named Eliath. And she and him had children and those children had other children. And they were, they became clandestine. And so in the, in the comics, Jin, for the most part, It's a race of people that, you know, look like genies and whatnot. And so I don't think they're going, I don't know if they're going that route.

I really think it's just like, you know, taking names and, you know, using the gin, you know, that has the, has the meanings in their culture from the comics and just meshing them together. Yeah, but it's a lot. It's a lot of stuff to go through. Like, it's really, it's a really deep cut. So it says, I just looked it up and it says in Arab, an Arabian and Muslim mythology. You guys, first of all, before we do this, people that are listening to this, as a human being, I'm asking for some latitude, okay?

I understand that sometimes there's some of you who listen, your fangs out, and your claws out. I make sure everyone knows that Van, Charles, and Jomey are trash. But what I am attempting to do here is demonstrate that I have a base. level understanding of why people might be upset with this and to work that out in real time. And the definition I see here is it says, is an intelligent spirit of lower rank than the angels able to appear in human and animal forms and possess humans.

That seems here from this definition to be something slightly nefarious. Now, if you have something that in one culture is looked at as something that maybe might be like if a Jen is like a boogeyman or something like that and then you change Kamala Khan into that. I could see why because if I'm black right, which I don't know if you guys have seen

but I am. I could see, yeah, Jomi I'm shocked. Jomey looks surprised. And if my the first representative superhero that we got on this level was sort of like a demon

of some sort, I could see why people would be a little bit upset with that. I'm wondering what the answer to these to these concerns are. Oh, I mean, I want to shout out this writer, Swara. He wrote a really, really good recap of this episode on Gizmodo, and he was describing, he was saying,

as one might imagine, from the superhero comic characters made in the mid-90s, he's talking about the clandestine. They're a hyper-Orealentous character created by a white writer that barely reflect what Jin actually are in Islam and the show seems to be doing a remix with them for Kamala's origin story.

So I think actually what you might be getting is the same thing that was happening with Shang Chi or even Black Panther. Do you remember back when those movies were coming out? I was wondering, I'm like, yo, how are you going to make a bunch of stuff from Black Panther less racist? Some of those like the man ape characters

or even someone like the Mandarin from Shang Chi? Everybody's like, how do you remix and massage these stories that were written by white men 20, 30, 40 years ago into something that. actually can reflect our culture and our new mindsets right now. And I think that's kind of what's happening. Look, we have to spend a little time talking about it.

We'll get into the show a little bit more right now. But it's tough. And this is one of the challenges that Marvel and other entities like this have, right? You want cultural representation, but you want it done right. and you want the culture that's being represented to feel proud and sort of invigorated that Kamala Khan is on the screen.

And you have to thread that needle. You have to thread that needle. So we wanted to acknowledge that before we got into the meat of the show. And honestly, I'm going to send out, this is for all of the midnight mob, midnight writers out there. Like, yo, we're going to be covering Miss Marvel episode four

in the next episode. So if you guys have anything that you want to teach us, want to tell us about how you feel like, yo, get into the comments, send it through because I'm actually, this is a learning experience. I want to learn from y'all about how you feel about it because obviously there's only so much that Van I, Jomi, and everybody here can really speak about it. So please educate us. That'd be dope. So we're moving on. She's a, she's a gin. No, no, no.

It's not confirmed. It's not confirmed that she's a gin. It's not confirmed that Kamala is. It's just they're assuming that because I think it's a gin. her great-grandmother. Her great-grandmother is a gin, and she was with the people in the flashback scene, so she would at least have to be part-gin, right? If

that is in fact true, which we don't know, that could all be lies, because these people are obviously villainous. They were all nice, giving people all kinds of stuff, and all of a sudden they turn mean, just like that. They come into the way, just like that. All right, she's, but one thing that we know that she's not, at least

seemingly, she's not an inhuman. No. Did anyone think that because we saw black in strange, that it was a chance that she could still be inhuman. Not a chance. No, I don't know.

Again, the Scott Buck series was just, for all in terms of purposes, horrendous. And so Marvel likes to do that thing where if they feel like they can rehabilitate some, you know, like bring it back, you know, that we did it for, like, WandaVision, right?

How that made Age of Ultron look a little better, you know what I'm saying? They're not doing that for inhumans. But the blue arm, though. The blue arm looks like a Kree arm. The Kree have a connection to the inhumans. Like, I don't know. Made my thing, my brother.

He's got to open your third eye. Aids is a shield. The fuck is he talking about. Age is a shield. No, no, no, no. That wasn't tapped in. You understand what I'm saying? You know, when they go back and see what happened to Colson,

you see, like, long story short, He has Cree blood in him, right? That's why he survived Project Tahiti. It's a magical place. Oh, my gosh. And they pull out like a blue body and like, Charles. Oh, my gosh.

Charles is so nonpluss. And then, like, they go to space. There's a whole bunch of Cree in space as well. You're like, look, that's Cree. I don't know. So if you watch it as a shield, you don't have to think about the inhumans, right? You're just like, oh, it's Cree.

The only reason, like, you know, we're thinking about in humans because her origin, her origin story in the comics is, detergismist the whole thing. But I think that was, the Cree arm is probably just a nod to fans and people like, okay, you know, Cree, inhuman, you know, throwing out links.

Maybe it's to a bigger thing. We don't know yet. You know, we're only halfway through the season. I mean, I'm not going to hold you up. All I heard once you started talking about Agents and Shield was bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, Agent Coulson, bullshit. See, now why are you bringing down a brother,

like, why can't a brother have enjoyed this day, man? It's the bit. I have to do the bit. But when I saw the Cree, I was just like, yo, this lends to my theory, are these the negabans, are from the original Captain Marvel? Well, remember, there's only one, right? They were like, there's one band.

They're supposed to be two, but we only have one. We'll just use this one. I think you're on to something. I think, like, they're tying in a lot of stuff. We saw the 10 rings in the floor. I saw the 10 rings in the floor, yeah.

Right? Like, there's a, like, the Cree, the 10 rings, the Negamins, like, there's a lot going on that we don't have answers for yet, but they're planting seeds. again, this is the summer of no expectations. All right, but one expectation. We know from the comics, the negabans, like, what happens is, like, by the way, they're way more than two negabans.

There's, like, slide in the family stone, there's a Jackson five. There's, you know? The bar. There's a bar. It's like a lot of different. There have been negabans throughout the entire history of music. I had to. I'm sorry.

Anyway. Anyway. I'm sorry, bro. I did the same thing to Joe. It would not have been fair. I had to, bro. I can't not. Y'all know me.

I can't not do it. Jesus. The Gap band, these are all great mega bands. Anyway, anyway, when Captain Marvel used to like smack them together, like, I believe it was Rick Jones would, like, go to another dimension. So is that, are they trying to tie in that maybe the 10 rings are also tied to like this nebulous dimension? And it's all part of one thing. Well, I think that we're all still, I like connecting the questions here to other properties because we're still wondering, because the 10 rings are obviously a deviation from the 10 rings in the comic book canon, right?

So we're still wondering what the source of the power of the 10 rings are right now. We're still wondering what the stinger in Shangxi meant in terms of the 10 rings giving off some sort of signal or whatever was happening. We don't know how these things are going to connect and we don't know where they're going to come from. And like what's going to be, how this is going to fit into what Kevin Feiking and the rest of these guys have said is in the next coming of months, we're going to understand to some degree what the direction that Marvel is going in. And I don't want to start with the whole expectation situation. But if we weren't going to get Kamala being a result

of detergent myths and her being essentially inhuman, I think having some mystery around the origin of her powers is probably the best way to go, right? Like it's probably something that, because as we're watching, is we're going to have two questions. Number one, what's the significance of her? Why her is going to be a big question here because even that's the question that she's been asking herself. Like why me? It's not the brown girls from Jersey City that get to say of the world.

She's been asking that question, right? So we're going to learn the question of why Kamala Khan, which is a question that sort of answered in her origin from the comic books. And we're also going to get a question, going to get the answer to why this power set where this comes from. And I think that's something to kind of keep you coming back to the show to feed yourself a little bit. Like we obviously we spoke to sort of some of the cultural problems that our Muslim brothers and sisters might have with the show. That's a separate kind of set of things that will litigate when we have somebody on here that knows a little bit more about it. But in terms of just comic lore, I'm kind of fascinated at where she's coming from and like where her powers are coming from. Charles are you?

So can I ask you this then? Sure. Kevin Feigey said, you know, we're going to know everything about the upcoming phase. Do you think Kevin Feige is ducking in the smoke from the midnight boys? Like he doesn't want to come to the right table. I feel like he's a listener and he's been here and that we've been having some issues. I mean, the reality is we already, shout out to Nate Moore. We already deuced him up on here, you know what I'm saying?

Nate Moore come on here and we had to ask him the H-HQ, the hard-hitting questions. No, Kevin Feige This is my Midnight My Midnight writers Yo, start hitting Arvel up Hashtag

Kevin Feigy Midnight Boys We need to start asking him He's listening I know he's listening He's listening So Like any pretty face

Kamala's Boy toy Her crush Has some Shady Shady background Mm It's a shady past, shadowy past.

Mother, not so nice. Not so nice. Everything was cool. Brought her in. Hey, think about it. This is how you con somebody. Guess what? I knew your grandmama.

I knew her. We were cool back in the day. It was to hang out from another dimension. All of this stuff, which, by the way, Kamala took pretty well. That was a quarter of course. That was a quarterback. If somebody came to me and said,

hey, man, you know what? I'm not going to lie. I don't know if you know this, but your great-grandfather was from hell and we used to kick it trying to get out. I'm going to be like, oh, even if you tell me like nothing to mention, like what you mean, dog?

Like, she took that pretty well. I mean, I know that she's been doing amazing things, but she took that pretty well. But also she had extreme, like, your great-grandma, mama was a whole energy. Like, she was talking a little spicy about her. In a way, I'm like, don't try. Like, come on, you got to relax.

Like, come on. Like, you got to relax. Like, she's evil. You can tell. Where she's talking is a little spicy. That's what I'm going to say. I couldn't tell at first. I knew, obviously I could tell, but she did a good job of hiding the fact that she was evil.

You know what I mean? But this means that her little boy toy, what's his name? Cameron. Cameron. Haram.comeron. Haram.comeron. Shout out, horse and carriage. This means that he is part gin as well.

Huh. Big gin energy happening. And he seems to, in some way, he breaks off from the edict of the rest of the group and he wants to save her because they were about to come in there, according to him, and slaughter everybody in this beautiful wedding.

She said, my mom, he said, my mother will kill everyone. It's going to be a completely different show. What do you guys think about this character? I was not surprised that he, it turned out that he was not going to be on the other side, like he was going to, like, defect from them. I am surprised about the Jen thing. You know, he doesn't have a bangle.

He can't access his powers the way Kamala can. So I'm interested to see where do we find Cameron? Because he got taken by the Department of Damage Control, which, by the way, just the worst people on the planet. Racist is hell. They suck. Racist is hell. They are the absolute worst.

How is damage control races? Episode two, they come into the, you know, the holding cell and you're like, hey, during interrogation. And she's like, who did you see? Somebody of this ethnicity, this ethnicity. Ooh. Oh, South, you know, it's like Indian of Indian.

Okay, cool. Yeah, we got to go and look at all the mosques. And we know the FBI is looking to be careful. And the lady was like really eager to do that. I was like, ah, that's kind of, that's not good. That's the way they be, though, bro. That's the way they be, though. It's the number of the government,

police, don't get me on my revolutionary shit in here, bro. You know what? I just don't like damage control because they seem like they fuck with the wrong people. Damage control is like trying to talk to like, trying to talk to Peter Parker,

Kamala Khan. Don't forget Volcher. They hate the working man. They hate the working class. Volcher kind of crazy, though. I'm not a lot. They got Bolger. Vulture was insane. One out of 33% hit rate. Congratulations. Yeah, Volcher's insane, bro.

Vulture's kill his daughter's prom day. Think about it. The vulture's nuts. Well, I mean, like, he did give him an out. He was like, hey, listen, you saved my daughter's life. So I'm going to keep it pushing. But you, if I see you again, it's on sight. I don't know what to tell you.

No, vulture's a man of honor. I don't have nothing wrong with the vulture. He's a man to honor. Okay. So what do we think is true and false about Kamala's great-grand-grandmother at this point, Charles? Like, what do you think that this backstory given for her, is real and might this trip back to see her grandmother reveal some of the things that we're being lied to

if we are in fact being lied to. In my heart, I want to say that it's seeming like they're doing something with a legacy hero where her grandmother seems to have taken the Bengal and instead of using it to return home was using it to basically be a maybe like the first thing. Captain Marvel in a way.

And it might be like, and the reason why the family might feel away about her is because it seems like the great-grandmother had to sacrifice part of herself, part of her family to do that. And that's why we have the conversation with the Kamala's father and her brother about choosing family. That's why we have

her mom in the bathroom being like, hey, I had family. That's what helped me survive America. And potentially what Kamala is facing is can she choose family and also be a hero? And that's what I'm assuming the first proto-Captain Marvel great-grandmother was also facing.

Well, to be honest with you, that's a very interesting notion because Kamala's mother is definitely definitely disappointed in her relationship with her own mother. Her own mother has not come out for her grandson's for her grandson's wedding.

And she said that her mother wasn't there for her wedding either. So there's been some effect on this family that this lineage of possible supernatural, superhuman, metahuman activity has had. And part of the reason why they're so protective and they force Kamala into such

adherence to the culture, which is, you know, not untypical, not atypical in certain situations. But part of it might be, not just because they want her to adhere to all of these things, but it might be because they have a history of, you know, losing family members to adventuring or to shady activity, and they want to make sure that they keep Kamala closer to the vest.

It's, I'm with, I'm with Charles on this. But my, my difference is I don't know if her grandmother's name, Aisha, right? I don't know if Aisha was, a hero. I think she found family and decided to stay, right? They're all obsessed with going home. We've got to go back to the

Nordman. We're talking about the grandmother or the great-grandmother? Oh, the great-grandmother, sorry. The great-grandmother, Aisha. She found family and decided I'm going to stay here. I don't, you know, have the bangle, don't have the bangle. I found something here that I'm going to

continue to grow in love with. My family. Not the people from the Nordimension, the people that I've met on this planet, earth. And like that's the difference between Aisha and Cameron's mother, which is she's like, now I gotta go home.

Da-da-da, this and that. And I think that's where the split is. And so for Kamala, it's like almost the same thing in terms of I also have this family, but now I also have this power. How do I

how do I do both? To your point, right? I just think at the forefront, Isha is just like, she wasn't out here in the, she wasn't fighting. She was like, the whole plan was to get home. I don't want to go home anymore. I am happy where I'm at. And that's where the division and the whole thing starts from there.

How do we feel about Nakia? She stands up to damage control. She tells damage control, get the, she had her in the bag. Out of my, get out of here. I love, you know what I love? You know what my favorite scene in movies is? My favorite scenes and movies and in life.

is telling the police to, do y'all have a warrant? You know what I mean? Isaiah, look at Isaiah. Isaiah loves that. I love warrant-based cinema. You know? Like, you don't have a warrant.

Get out of my shit. What did Jay-Z say in 99 problems? My truck is locked. My glove department is locked and so is the truck in the back. I know my rights. You're going to need a warrant for that. Yeah.

Get out of here. You don't have a warrant, damage control. What did you just thought you was going to come in here to our mosque? without no warrant, get out. Shout out to,

I'm gonna be honest, that's some fantasy shit because I know in the real world, you know, the white man's being like, fuck your warrant. Like, I was just like,

I can show you a video in Memphis when that almost happened. It was a hilarious video. Wait for real? Is it that funny? Is it really funny? Is it what funny?

Like a guy, like the police coming up like, hey man, we have a warrant. It's only funny because of the way to do was telling the police to get off his Porsche.

I posted it on my Instagram. He was like, the police were looking for somebody and this is Shelby County. And they're going in, this is the sheriff's and they're going into his crib. And he's like, no, get off my porch. And the guy tries to get like a little handsy with him.

And he says, hey, man, he sounded like Terrence Howard from Hustling the Flood. He's like, hey, man. He better get this man. What's wrong with this man? What's wrong with this man? No, you're not coming in my house so you need to get up off my porch. And then the guy had to sit there and eat it. Love that.

Where do we feel about Nikita? Nakia seemed to be pretty, she seemed to be pretty upset when she finds out at the end that her home girl is the nightlight. Well, I mean, she's been causing problems at the mosque. And Nakia, board member, shout out, got the gig, is not really messing with that, you know. Like, she said, like she mentioned it, Muslims have a lot of problems. Like, they want to, you know, use the good Muslims, find the bad Muslims, da-da-da. Like, there's enough problems as it is. they don't need a superhero running around creating trouble.

So she's not the biggest fan of Nightlight, dumb name. And so when she confronts, when she sees Kamala use her power, she's like, hey, yo, you were her the whole time? You didn't say nothing. Like, there's also like a friend thing, like the trust. All that breaks down in that moment. It's like, ah. And then Kamala has to, like, run and get home.

You know, it's like, there's no explanation. She's just left with that. So, like, yeah, like, she's doing great. great, but in that aspect, it's tough. Like, now you have to understand, like, who are you friends? I ain't going to hold you up when Nikia was talking about, like, good Muslims or bad Muslims and now, like, the government tries to use people against each other. I was like, yeah, get on your milton shit.

I'm like, that's exactly the type of shit black people we're talking about behind closed doors. Be like, man. KFC. I mean, we know. We know when somebody's in the room right now, they get, they bring the KFC. They get us with the KFC. I've also been watching the first 40s a lot more. they use McDonald's a lot too.

Yeah. I'm telling you, brothers will snitch on their cousin for some chicken duck. What's your stitch mill? Like, if you had to snitch. What's your snitch mill? Wait, what's my snitch meal?

What would be the meal? Because, like, Webe on the wire, he snitched, what was he? No, he didn't snitch. No, he only told, he only cop to murder. To himself. Weebae from the wire.

Shout out to Webe. Weebae took 19 murders. And it was in exchange for a pit beef sandwich and some extra horse radish extra extra horse radish you know what I mean we'll be your meal to tell on yourself

or to tell us somebody else and we're keeping it it has to be something fast food that they can get yeah they're not going to mash those for you dog they're not put a little to no booth they're not going to no move

remember you know what I'm a there's a black life they don't really care there's a thing I'm a snitch but I'm be like all the way I'm like I'm doing this for my people I'm doing five guys So they really got to go into the tax payment.

That's what I was going to say. You at least got to go in and out. First of all, if you go to in and... First of all, I can send you to in and out and then contemplate whether or not I still want to snitch because you're going to be there so long. You know what I mean? Like, you're going to be there so long

that while you end the drive-thru it in and out or Chick-fil-A either. I don't know how is more Chick-fil-A's popping up wherever and every Chick-fil-A has a line out the street. Actually, you changed my mind. I'm sending them checkful leg because like a chicken sandwich can hit the spot at any moment of the day where like you will kind of sell your family out like damn I don't got to pay for this either waffle fries lemonade joey me what's the meal what's a fast food meal five guys is good because

they need to like get they need to get like government funds to buy you like some meal so I might I might go with shake shack shake they're the same thing like they may have to go they might have to like submit to Congress like hey we need a couple million dollars I've never had shake shop before are you serious I've never I never had it. You've never had Shake Shack? I've never had Shakeshack. I say, are you making the face?

It's nuts too. It's straight. It's not. It's good, right? But the thing is, like, it's a thing, like, Van is like a multi-millionaire, right? Van's like one of the richest people, like, if you look at Forbes, he's like in the top 150. So you can afford Shakeshack. I'm not going to take out a second mortgage to go get Shakeshack, bro.

You know? Shake Shack, I, it's just, it's not convenient for me. See? Famous. be too big for Shake Shack. That's nuts. My Shack was like a treat in college. It's just like, man, I'm a, I'm going to have to spend a little bit.

But are you worth it, back? You go get, you go get Shakeshack right now. You got to decide, like, do I not want heating this month? Am I not paying for water? We got to get back to the show. Show me Shake Shack agenda's point. That's here. Okay.

So, I desperately hate the, I found out my friend is a superhero. I'm very upset. about a thing. They do it in different types of superhero stuff. I just, I hate it when it happens. For some reason, it worked in this particular episode. I loved this episode of television. For some reason, it worked because with all of Nicaia's responsibilities at the mosque, I could see why, I could see why she felt the way she felt. They actually gave a great basis. Something about this show that is interesting. I feel like I know all of these characters. That's what, I mean, I said at the beginning, like there's something

about this world that feels so lived in, that feels so, like, so alive that every single person that comes on screen, I'm like, hey, what's going on, man? It's been a minute. How are you living, bro? Like, it's just really refreshing and really awesome to see all these characters, like, from top to bottom, like that little boy who comes across the wedding and the Hulk thing and steals her Big Brother's shoes. I'm like, I love that kid.

He doesn't have, he doesn't speak. He doesn't speak. If we're talking about people that we know in the show, my man Bruno going out fucking sad. Oh, brother Bruno stuff. I feel bad for Bruno, bro. Bruno going south, sad. Brother Bruno stuff.

Bruno, Bruno is the man, but it's just not going to happen for Bruno. Bruno didn't even get his dance. Bruno was about to get his dance when this, when this pretty boy brought nothing but trouble to the wedding. Bruno was about, she looks at Bruno and she goes, to you want to dance? And I'm like, oh, my God, this child is so adorable. horrible. Like, Bruno, you got like, wow, they're going to have their dance. And at the last moment, my brain was like, Bruno ain't about to get his dance. Something about to happen. And then it's something bad happened. But Kamran keeps calling him Brian. I'm like, yo, Bruno,

you got to stand up for yourself. Nah, square up, doc. This is like the third time. Got to see hands. Like he said, he said, even after Bruno was like injured, he goes, he's just doing that on purpose at this point. Which he kind of is. Because we know that, we know that he's not going to end up with her because he's got too much gin baggage. It can't happen. We have to get to a point to where she sees, she sees was like what's right in front of her with Bruno.

Bruno is brilliant. He's Caltech. Marvel is good for making a 17-year-old a complete genius. I knew smart kids when I was in school, right? I knew this kid named Bradley Hamner. Bradley, I'm going to use your whole... The government. man, Bradley Hamner was this kid's name.

We had computer science together. He went on to like design robots for the military or something like that. He went to Carnegie Mellon. Bradley was crazy smart, right? I mean, we had computer science class and we had to do this, this thing where we made a computer program, and I made a computer program of this like little, I don't know, this little dot that moved from one place to another.

And I was like, hey, you know my A, you said I had to move. Bradley made a whole program with a guy dribbling a soccer ball up. making a move, kicking a soccer ball through the goal and going goal. And I remember the teacher looked at this and went, this is phenomenal. And I wanted to mess this computer up. I want to be like, get out here.

I don't care about that. You know what I'm saying? You wasn't the bully then. I know you was the boss. I love Bradley. I was a bully at all. As a matter of fact, I was the guy who took umbrage with the bullies. But he was smart.

Probably be honest with you, bro. He can't build no tech, bro. I can't go to, Bradley and as Bradley to help me harness my powers. I can't ask them to hack StarTek. I can't ask them to do none of these things, that these kids. Isaiah, this is your generation. Jomi, this is your generation.

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Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods Market. One thing about Bruno, I don't know if y'all guys listened to the episode we did last week, but in the comics, you know, it doesn't work out with Kamala. He's like, cool, I'm chilling. You go, you know, you know, where he goes to school? Where? He goes to Wakanda. Fuck out of here. That's what the hell I'm talking about.

That's legit. Oh my God. Wait, wait, wait. Is Bruno? Bruno, is he confirmed white in the series? I mean, he looked like a white dude. I don't know. Wait, wait. Is he concerned white

in the series we're watching? No, I'm just asking because if he goes, if he goes to Wakanda in the comic books, like are they given out, like, diversity diversity scholarship in Wakanda?

Like for white people? You know what I mean? First of all, this is hilarious for two ways. Yes, he's white. I don't know if you can watch it. But he's definitely white. That's number one.

Number two, the idea of the best and brightest white minds from America trying to go to Wakanda Tech is hysterical. That's so funny. it's like, where you're trying to go? MIT? No.

Nah. I'm going to Wattie. I'm going to Waccontotech if I can get in. Could you imagine like the white boys trying to get to the fraternities? Oh man, try to be an alpha. Try to be an alpha at Waconda Tech. Shout to Sam White. God knows that he's a white caper.

It does this thing. Oh, before we get off Bruno, I got a quarter flip because they bring up Eric Selvig from the Thor movies who's an actual physicist, right? my man Bruno spends five seconds like, oh yeah, I understand inter-intermensional travel enough. And I'm like, I'm like, dog. This is what I will say about quarter flipping.

There are certain things that we're going to have to accept. And don't judge saying this much. No, no, no, no, no, because they keep doing this. The original Thor movie. I'm being honest with you, because they keep, they're not going to stop, bro. Like, there's certain things, like, there are certain things. the quarter flipping is

we're going to have to save Charles you're not wrong but we watch if you watch the original Thor movie three of the brightest minds it takes three of them to understand all this fucking dimensional travel and shit

and they're still having a rough time we don't know that Bruno has we don't know that Bruno has like a we don't know that he's he's an expert at it but he's right like reading a paper on that shit he's like yeah I get the gist of it. I'm like, come on. Like, come on.

I mean, all he knows for a fact is, like, you need a whole bunch of power to make this thing happen. Right. And that kind of, like, you need the mass, like, Sun's energy. Imagine of error too big, world go boom, if it go wrong. I doubt that he could build a contraption that would allow this to happen, but to

understand the mechanics of it, maybe we should give Bruno a little slack. I mean, he is white. He's white and so swole. Did you see that? Yeah. He was, like, crossing his arms. He was like, Bill's like, come on. You don't see it? Like, what's going to know what I mean? I mean, listen, let's be honest.

Brunner would clean up in Wakanda. You think so? Bruno would clean up. Oh, for sure. I don't know how much interracial is going on to Wakana. But check this out. But check this out. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know. Well, you shit, you tell me. Clean up. You're from Wakanda? Yeah, for sure. Right. You tell me. So, Jomi, what's the last time you've been to Nigeria?

I went in 2015 last summer of 2015 So was there Bruno's cleaning up in Nigeria? I'm sure You know what I'm saying? You show up. No, no, no, no. We need stories. White boys go into Nigeria and it's just like...

That would be so sad, dog. Well, here's thing. I'm not going to name. I'm not going to like out people on here. But I know people, you know, of African descent. They love them some white boys, bro. I know that for a fact. Shout out, bro.

Bruno took an injury. He hurt himself. He broke his arm. He saved Kamala when your other boy, Cameron. How am I saying? I'm saying this name wrong? Cameron. Cameron.

Cameron. Cameron. Cameron. Cameron. Killer Cam. Kill a cam. Kill a cam. He was useless.

Actually, no, he wasn't. Because he did fight off some of his mother's goons. He fought off some of his mother's goons. He was putting in work. He was putting in work. I will say that. He was putting in work. I actually don't have a problem.

I like that character. It's just. feckless characters like that if it's me and I really care about her like I'm saying at the meeting just to let you know these people ain't it

like just you know keep your head on the swivel but I'm glad that he did come but Bruno actually you're looking at a sort of a difference in between the two characters that one guy came in but Bruno actually showed that he's willing

to be physically harmed and hurt for his love for Kamala what do you stand on Bruno right now Chuck You know, I like Bruno. I think Bruno, I'm going to be honest, if I had to pull him, if I was his OG, if I had to pull him to the side, I'm like,

take your ass to Caltech, bro. Like, there's nothing for you in Jersey City. Like, take that shit, you know, get you invest in some Bitcoin. Like, you're probably going to become a millionaire overnight. Not now, but in that universe. Like, you'd be good.

Shit. Why was she surprised that he got into Caltech? She seems surprised. I don't know. I think she was more surprised that he didn't tell her. I need to tell her immediately, right? Because she was like, are you telling me now?

And he was like, yeah, we've kind of had a couple things to, you know, go over before, you know. Also, Kamala, let's be honest. You, right now you ain't really the best friend. You ain't really like. She's doing her best, bro. I'm protective over her.

Like, watch her mouth. Well, remember, in episode two, they wanted to go train powers. And Bruno was like, yeah, let's go. She was like, I got this family, Comrade. I got a dish for that. And so, like, his feelings is her.

I understand. No, she needed some more training. She almost got that boy killed. I blame him. Well, the boy shouldn't have been there. That's crazy. Also, also, what's that? By the way, I have a fundamental problem with this.

I have a fundamental problem with saying that she almost got the boy in episode two killed, which is what Kalika said. I have a fundamental problem with this. If she's not there, he's dead. Yeah. How about that? How about that? If she doesn't show up, she might have not done it right?

He probably got a bruise. tailbone, but like if she's not there, dead. D-E-D. He's dead. Coleg was like, she's reckless. It shows that she's reckless. I looked at her. I'm like, man, what the...

The dude was about to fall. The curtain was about to, like, whatever he was holding on to. What was he holding on to? It felt like a flag or a banner. A flag or a banner. It looked like a shower curtain. It looked like a curtain, right? He's trying to, like, his dumb ass. He was about to fall and die. If she was in the gym war, if she was in the gym war with Bruno, that shit wouldn't have been.

No. I mean, was she going to stop him from climbing up here to take a selfie? Yeah, she saved his life no matter what. He could like if, no. She need more work, but like she did the job. She did the job. Okay. No, I'm proud of, I'll be, I'll be honest.

I'm proud of Kamala because she don't really got a lot of fighting experience. She held her own in this episode, okay? A lot of those goons were after her life. And she was doing the thing. I'm not going to, I, this would not be the Midnight Boys. If I did not bring this up, though. man, some of the C.GI was terrible. Jesus, here we go.

See what I'm saying? Here we go. What? Arjuna laughs at it. Here we go. Arjuna laughs in your face right now. Arjuna is in the other room laughing in your face, Charles. You can't see him.

He laughs at you. As we continue to come, we continue to come back to this again. There are people, I want to read you a tweet. Nah, what are you going to? Hey, man. Oh, my God. I want to read you a tweet. Like,

Like, it, it's like, these people are fucking fed up. They're fucking fed up. Jesus Christ. Like, I was talking about the season. Where do you watch this thing on? You watch it like on a potato? Like, what's going on? Me?

Nah, I got a big ass flat screen TV. That my cat almost destroyed, okay? That shit looks terrible on that. You got a visio. Man, I don't know what television you got. You thought our powers look good in this? Bro, I thought it looked fine. It looked fine.

This ain't what we're going to do. People be talking about these shows. Like these shows don't cost like $100 million, $150 million, $200 million. It's like, yo. Over six hours of content. This is from Harvey Jackson at Harvey Jack 2-1-1-1. Y'all got to chill on the CGI. That shit is hard.

It's hard. Shout out to Harvey Jackson, man. It's a good tweet. That got chew on the CGI. That shit is hard. The reason the TV show can't do the same quality is not just money. It's time. The trolley scene in Shang-shee took weeks to render.

This is a good point by Harvey Jack 2-1-1-1. Took weeks to render. A couple of minutes of footage weekly shows can't compete is what Harvey Jackson says. I think that he thinks that they're doing this show. show that he's doing the show week to week hard, but they're not. Here's the issue then. Here's the issue, okay? And I've been saying this.

We love the MCU because they gave us quality. If we didn't, that shit would be the DCEU, okay? Like, come on. Like, if we're going to keep it funky? It's different levels, dog. No. It's different levels, man. Yeah, of course you're saying that Mr.

All my favorite shows get canceled. Okay, of course. It's different levels, man. Charles, can ask you question? Do you have an issue with the fact that this man, likes Asians a shield. You're bringing this up every part now. No, just my issue.

Jomi likes the time I had an issue. By the way, Avatar, the last airbender is that shit. I'm like a lot. Here we are. And they're so quick. They go by and like, they're fast. But here's my thing. My issue is every single time I bring up, yo, yo, this show looks like garbage.

Like, this show does not look good. Jomey's like, man, it's fine. It's a TV show. I'm like, dog. Like, come on. So look. So look, but this is the only thing I'm saying about the CGI situation. And we can really, in a serious way.

So WandaVision had no CGI issues until they used a live CGI then they did have it, right? So WandaVision looked perfect, right? The only show that you would say that was clean CGI-Wise where people didn't complain was Loki. And that was because if we're really looking at the show,

it was dimly and darkly lit a lot. The emotional weight was very hot. There were some wonky CGI moments, but I will say this. There is a normal that I feel like, not just in, in the Star Wars,

not just in the MCU world, but in the Star Wars world as well, we are going to have to start being a little bit accepting. Charles, but we don't complain about Mandalorian like that

because story-wise. You're just saying we don't complain. I mean, you have to make a story. It's a bell curve, right? Everything can be great, not everything is bad. There's got to be like a middle ground.

Not everything is cheeks, Charles. Like, there's got to be, There's some good stuff. Did I say the entire episode was cheeks? No, I've been positive this whole episode. I'm just saying the CGI looks terrible. And all I'm saying is like, yo.

But the CGI can be fine, though, right? We ain't on a fucking curve. It can be fine, right? We're a fucking curve. Fuck that. Okay, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Okay, Charles, to this point, now we're getting spicy.

This is what they like. I like this. So now we're getting spicy. So look, here's the deal. Is there on the CGI issue? Yes. There's great CGI, which would be, I don't know, fucking in-game, right? Looks perfect.

Looks real. Looks like you could. Every time I watch the movie, you weren't there. You need to bring your ass out to L.A. more. We watched In-game on my TV at my crib, and we just sat there and marveled how good it looked. Infinity War. CGO looked good. Looks great.

Obviously, $200 million budget for the movie. I just want to let you know. In-game costs $250 million. Okay? All right. Okay. Just let you know. Ingame costs more money than Brad Pitt

as a crew in his whole career. Ingame is a Brad Pitt, maybe two. Okay? So, so, so, like, what I'm saying is, we realize that there's that. And then we realize that there's bad CGI. And we've seen bad CGI. Some of the CGI and some of the Obi-Wan stuff was bad.

Can that be I-CGI, Charles, is, I think, Jomi's question. I think that's a fair question. And when I say that, yo, if the MCU is going to give me a product for years that is of a certain quality, and that is the thing where I'm just like, oh, this is what makes you guys special. Because even if all of your movies aren't great, there's still a level when I get into my seat. I'm like, yo, this is the MCU. I expect this.

If I get into my seat for some MCU shows and I'm like, okay, Loki looks good. I have no problems. But then the next show looks way out of whack. That's a problem to me. And I think sometimes as fans were just like, well, the MCU is my friend. Like, what do you mean? The MCU is my friend? I'm like, no, they're a company.

They're a company. We pay for this. So let me tell you why I'm pushing back. Like, I love Superman and Lois, right? I love the show. It's a TV show. But also, what do you expect from CW shows? Like CW shows.

And see, and see, that's where I think, and this is actually a good conversation for this show and just for to form what we do here on the Midnight Boys because, okay, so it's not, it has nothing to do with what I think about CW shows. That doesn't have anything to do with it, right? I know that what I'm watching on the CW show, I know that it's going to look different than Justice League did. I just know that it will, right?

If he can fly and he looks good flying, I'm good with it. I'm serious. As long as Superman doesn't look wonky flying, That suit is terrible. I'll be real with you. The suit itself looks okay. They put muscles in the suit. I don't know what the decision is to do that.

Like, I really have no clue to do this already swollen. I really don't know why they do that. But there's some stuff, it's like a, it is, I feel what you're saying. But it is on TV, dog. It's like, it's on TV. But here, and here's my thing. We only use the, but it's TV thing when something's failing us. And I'm like, we act like TV is a lesser art form.

I'm like, come on, we can't keep doing that. The budgets are smaller. The budgets are smaller. So, to your point, we can get off this. If the budgets are smaller as an artist, as an artist, like, I love music. Everybody don't got the budget of Beyonce or Drake, but they can make some shit funky. They can make some shit fresh with the budget that they have. Like, you shouldn't, if you only have this much budget, you should be like, okay, we can't

really rely on CGI like that because it's going to come out looking bad and that's going to take the viewer out of the experience. That's what you do when you watch art. And if they can't make the budget work, then shit or get off the pod. There's got to be some middle ground. There's got to be some like, hey, it was cool. It was, it was fine. It's not all bad, man.

Like there are some, there's some great. You guys are acting like I said this entire series was bad. I like this episode. I was just like, oh, okay. CGI during this part was looking a little rough. don't defend your take I think it is completely valid and legitimate I just happened

to disagree I don't think that what you're saying is wrong in any way and if you come at my guy I'm gonna come at you that's how he fucking feels I'm sick of this shit like if you like me and Jomi disagree

like we disagree I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong I am saying that well I am saying what you're saying this wrong I'm just saying this I'm not saying that I'm not saying that like you're off

killter or you're hating on the show. I'm saying we, I do feel like, and maybe Obi-Wan changing for me a little bit, I do feel like we do have to start judging these television shows for what they are. Wait, can I also say this? This is not on the CGI, but the thing that makes me laugh when people get mad. I'm like, do y'all not know what type of show the Midnight Boys is? We argue that's what makes the show fun. Like, I don't want them to agree with me. Like, I'm just like, we're still boys at the end of this shit. I don't care. Like, dog, y'all want us to agree every episode. That shit would be boring. I don't know.

I'm not sure about that. You and Jomi have a thing. You and Jomey have this thing. You bring up, you look for reasons to bring up Asians of Shield every show. Jummi would be like, hey, man, I had the best pizza. That pizza was mediocre like Asians of Shield,

niggins. Are you just like you just, like you just bring it out of knowing. Guys, I promise all the listeners here. I will never bring up people to shield. No.

You have to have a lot. You have a liar. I will never bring up Aege's Sealed ever again. You hate Agen's Shield. I actually tried to watch it. It is Cheeks. That's fine. I actually tried to go look.

I can't get into it. I'm not being. It's cool. Again, like I've said this a thousand times. I'll say it one more time. The first two thirds of season one are trash. It's horrendous. Oh, okay.

As soon as the winter soldier, the movie happens, it goes in an overdrive. Now they're like, there's no more shield, right? So you got, it's like a cat and mouse game. Who's Hydra? Who's Hydra? Who's Find Who? Da-da-da. It taps in, you know. Nick Fury is in the season finale.

It's nuts. It's crazy. And then, like, from season two on, they have, they very much diverge from, like, the original plan. But, again, it's, it's not perfect. I will never say that. I will never say that. In fact, I'm not going to sit here and be like, it's top-taire television. But, you like?

You liked it. If you, like, fall for these characters, you're going to be tapped in for seven years. I like Titans. I love Titans. Y'all don't fuck with Titans. You like Titans? Love. I don't like Titans.

I love Titans. Okay, see, that's nuts because I- Why are we having to watch Titans? I don't watch season four drop. I don't tap in. I don't like Titans. I love Titans. Wow.

Me and we can watch Titans. Like, we like, I love Titans. Oh, man. I love it. I don't care. All right. Real quick. I'm not going to change you, though,

because I respect that. You love to do a show. Kamala might be going to Karachi. She gets FaceTime from Santa telling her to come to Karachi. They both saw the train. That tells you that there's some sort of supernatural metahuman link there

or some type of situation that's happening. Before we're going to do a special mailback real quick. Jomi, drop us a question real quick. We're running out of time, but we're going to do one. I got one question from... Mr. Elaine, which person of your life would you

be most pleasantly surprised to see take part in a chorex dance number for your entertainment. Good question. Probably Bill Simmons. Wow, I'm really glad that you said that, Van. Me and big fan of Bill, Bill's a great

dude, you know what I'm saying? The Celtics lost, so, you know, that's really cool. I feel like that would help him cope. Because, yeah, what y'all understand is, I got to give Bill some props, man. I do. Bill's like a real fan. Like, see how Arjuna is, like, a fake Celtics fan?

Like, he's, like, he doesn't really care. Like, Arjuna was like, it was like, his team's in the finals. Arjuna doesn't give a fuck. I was like, yeah, I hope they went. Paul Pierce. Like, that's Arjuna's whole thing. Like, Bill, actually, it was, like, incredible for me to watch how he was actually destroyed. I like real fans of shit.

So. I'm a Celtics hater, so that was really good for me to see the Celtics lose. I don't want to see him with. Actually, shout out to Bill, though. He hit me and Steve up. And he was like, hey, that, uh, men edition. It's good. He enjoyed it.

So that was pretty cool. So shout out. That's real nice. Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you. I feel like what I said was like a funny bit. I feel like you just kind of ride dick a little bit. That was right. What are you talking about?

Bro, let me be, I'm grafting right now. What are you talking about? Of course. What do you mean? Excuse me? I would like, you know what I'm saying? What do you want me to do?

I feel you, fuck it. Charles, what about you? Oh, who would I want a part in the choreographed dancing? Oh, my cat sushi. Oh, your cat is on your cat. We're going through a rough batch right now. Why? Oh, no.

He's in gremlin mode. Like, that motherfucker is bad as hell. I like that. Was sushi, like scratching? No, he don't really like my partner that much. They get into a lot of fights because he's very territorial. And I've been trying to be like, dog, you're running her away. And her family got a new husky puppy, so she ain't even at the crib.

So I'm like, you ran her out of the house. So if you had to choose. between Maria and sushi, who would you choose? Can we take me, Lord? All right, we are out of here, guys. That's a wrap. Friday, the House of R will return to give you their deep dive on the season finale of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Keep the same energy for them. Okay? That's all we got to say. I don't want anything to, you guys, to get on, Joe and Mal about anything, but. You know, maybe they'll have some opinions and stuff.

We said what we said. And, by the way, I loved it. I loved Obi-Wan. I'm excited about the future of Star Wars. I'm excited about us. Like us. Shut up, Charles. On Sunday,

Min Edition returns to give you their thoughts on season three of Umbrella Academy. I got to be honest with you. I don't think I've been this excited for a pod in a long time. Dude, we had a lot of fun. We're recording it in, like, as me and you were looking face-to-face, me and Steve were looking face-to-face from cord to pod. It was so much fun.

I cannot wait for you guys to listen. We go deep on all the stuff that happened in this season. Can't wait. You and who? Steve. I don't know who that is. On Monday, we'll return to react to the latest episode of the boys, which promises to give you hero-gasm.

Oh, boy. Hot the kids. The boys isn't playing, okay? All right. Hot the kids, if you guys know anything about what hero-gasm is from the comics, to get a little slutty on the boys. Horny as hell.

Next episode, we'll talk all about it. Next Wednesday, The Midnight Boys will return to talk about episode four of Miss Marvel. I'll be doing that podcast from New York City. Why are you in New York City, Van? What are you doing over there? Van is going to be on the Daily Show next week. Woo!

Woo! Yeah. Quite a run on this book. Jimmy Kimmel, the Daily Show. We're doing it. We're doing it big time. Woo! Yeah.

Van, you got to make sure that they introduce you as man from the Ring of Verse and the Midnight Voice. I love higher learning. Great podcast. But, you know, show some love to your fans. I feel you. I feel you. Don't be thirsty, Jomey.

It's not thirsty, it's not thirsty. It's not thirsty. He's talking to his brother, man. Come on, man. He's talking to his brother. Our producer credits. Our producer is Isaiah hard to spell Blakely. Old man, Isaiah.

You like that old version of Captain America. His name was Isaiah too, wasn't it? It was. You like that old-ass, nigga. That's tough. You're old. You just think you're young, but now you're, guess what? You're old.

So does that make you? Jesus. Hey. Got him. Bigot. Shout out to Isaiah for filling in, seriously. Jomi at dinner on, Jemmy the Desperning our dinner on hashtag Jomeo and Juliette. All right.

That's enough for that. That's enough. That's enough. We got to stop. Jomeo and Juliet. I'm out of the streets. On social media. Additional production from Arjuna Rom Capal.

Charles, sticks out. Miss Marvel is a rap? Y'all know how I feel. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever again bring up fucking occasions of the deal. We got two interns in here right now. Hold on for a second. We got two literal toddlers. No, bring the interns in.

Bring the interns in. Bring the interns in. We got two legitimate babies. Like, they came into the room, and when they came into the room, there was a waft of Simulac that I smell. They're from this generation. Jump on this mic real quick and introduce you guys. Introduce yourselves.

We've got interns in the house. We'll talk to them about the younger generation. What are you guys' names? My name is Kai Grady. I'm from Arlington, Texas. That's like you do an intro. And I'm Jade. I'm from East L.A.

Jade is from East L.A. You guys are pretty smart. Kai, you're the master's from USC. Oh, come on. He was like, I asked him. I was like, where'd you go to school? He's like, I just, first of all, I didn't ask him what level of school.

That was just my most recent. I didn't ask him what level of school. I was like, where you go to school? My master's testing. So do you know how to hack stuff? Oh, of course. What can you hack? Your phone.

I've hacked it right now. We're lying. You can't hack my phone. Yeah, we're lying. Are you serious? No. Oh, I was about to say it. Oh, I was about to say it.

He said it was such. I was like, oh, my God. I do not know how to hack. I have no idea. Do you know how to hack stuff? No, I don't know. See what I'm saying? It's a lie.

I, like, and you're, Jomi, you're older than these people. How does it feel? I feel ancient. Yeah, he's acting up. Yeah, how old are you, Jomey? I'm 25. You old bitch. How's it feel?

It feels good. Isaiah, how's it feel? Tough. How old are you, Isaiah? 24. Jesus Christ. I know, getting up here. Yeah, it's crazy.

You're ancient. How's it feel? How's it feel? There's always going to be somebody younger. That's what my dad used to say. To my mom. But look. All right.

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