The Ringer-Verse - 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' Episode 3 Instant Reaction | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

The Midnight Boys return from Star Wars Celebration to discuss the latest episode of 'Obi-Wan Kenobi'! They begin by addressing the racist backlash that has been thrown at actor Moses Ingram since her appreance in the show (08:32). Later they discuss the plot including the return of a pivotal character (27:43). And they end with where the show could go for episode four and what Obi-Wan's journey could end like (65:26). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay. This Friday, the House of R returns once again for their deep dive into episode three of Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's Obi-Wan in a special place in his life. Okay? We'll talk about it later.

Washed. Got to discuss it. Okay. Monday, there's a House of Midnight giving you our thoughts on the newest season of the boys. Ooh. Here we come.

Here we come. The Boys, it's Homelander. I like the boys. Do you understand how excited I am to talk about something that's not on Disney Plus? Yeah, you're off Disney. You don't like it anymore. Oh, I like Disney, but God damn. Like, I need a break.

Geez. You need a break from talking about Disney Plus shows? That's how you feel. That's definitely how I feel. I think a lot of the audience probably feels the same. Yeah, the audience thinks that this is actually a Disney-related podcast, that we're affiliated with the mouse

because we're just at Disneyland we should look let me tell you guys something you guys can talk shit about Disneyland or Disney all you want you can talk shit about Disney Plus the entire reason that Walt Disney

questionable politics the entire reason that Walt Disney was born was so that one day Star Wars rise of the resistance could exist talk about it Walt Disney's life, I'm talking about Steamboat Willie.

I'm talking about whatever Kurt Russell was doing over there in the early days. I'm talking about chitty, chitty, bang, bang, whatever the fuck they had going on to Disney in the early days. All of that stuff was only so that we could eventually get Disneyland, which debuted in the 60s or 70s, down in Anheim. And they can eventually be Star Warsland, and we can eventually ride, rise of the resistance. If I had the money, I would build that at my crib and do it every day. Best ride of my life. Best ride of my life. Before we get into the podcast, we all wrote it.

Arjuna wrote it. Steve wrote it. Jomey wrote it. Mallory wrote it. We all wrote it. Everybody just tell the people about how Star Wars rides of the resistance changed your life. It was amazing. It was incredible.

There's a part of the ride where you go and they're too... Can't spoil it. I can't spoil it? No. You're like, no. Fuck no. All of the stuff that we get about spoilers on here. All the stuff that we get about spoilers on here.

The reality of- We're spoiling theme park rides now? That's what we're doing? I didn't know this. I didn't know that this was a thing. People get upset about that. They get super mad until I went and looked up reviews on the ride and they were like, we're not going to spoil it.

You can't, everything is spoilers. Jesus Christ. Everything is spoilers. I'm surprised we have gender reveals because that's a spoiler Everything is spoilers So Jomey I just want to let you cook here

But don't spoil the ride for anyone Now you're trying to protect me I appreciate that thank you Nah Just I can't say anything else I'm spoiling you but it's incredible It's special

We literally we got off And immediately we're like We're doing that again right And we all just went right back in line Like it was that great We're grown adults you know what I'm saying? And we were giddy like children.

We're like little 10 year olds running down. It was awesome. It was incredible. There's a moment, and again, I won't spoil anything, but there's a moment where the ride changes from one thing to another. And when that happens, Van like grabbed onto his seat and just like screamed like a little kid. And his laughing is that I've never seen you like this. He was saying that falsetto.

Oh my God. It was so, so fun. I wasn't expecting that. I've been to Star Wars Land a couple of times. I never, whenever you get there, it's always sold out. Like, you can't do it. And by the way, the ride itself is one thing, but the experience is like, come on, man. What the-fully immersive.

It's fully immersive, man. It was awesome. You guys got to go do it. Have you learned anything from Yon? If y'all give them all of this free publicity, they like signed any checks. Oh, hey, listen, Disney listening. What are you talking about? What do it every week?

What are you? Like every single week we talk about a trailer. Ain't nobody paid us? Don't you know Charles? Will chills? Don't you know that? Ain't nobody paid us.

Damn, I was just saying like, I would like Disney if y'all want me to talk about this shit on the pod more. Give me another ticket to run. You know what the funny thing is? Steve, give me this. Give me stop the cap.

Oh, okay. Let me tell you why. Do you know why we wrote the ride a second time in a row? Because Charles was like, I don't care what y'all about to go do. Oh, I did say that. I'm going to do this. I'm running it back. It was a life-changing ride.

It was great. Awesome. All right. So cool. Let's get to nerd dudes. We have to do this. So look, I want to let you guys know, you got to have House of R. Mao, Joe, Joe, Mao, Friday on Obi-Wan.

Deep dive. All right. And then also we have Miss Marvel coming on the way, too. Now, I'm going to be honest with you guys about Miss Marvel. I'd be lying if I told you guys that I was super excited for Miss Marvel. But I'm telling you all something, I'm wrong. The people are loving Miss Marvel. The streets are saying that Miss Marvel is an H-I-T, a hit.

All right? So we're going to get into Miss Marvel here and make sure that we give a very important character in the Marvel universe, her just do. All right. Today we're going to dive into the latest episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi. But first, we've got to do some nerd news. Okay, before we get into the nerd news, man,

Steve, come on, bro. Before you get into the nerd news. Steve, come on, man. I'm looking at Steve right now. Steve is by far one of the greatest producers I've ever worked with. He is a master at his craft.

I'm looking at him right now. It looks like maybe you slept on the couch. Is that it? I see the pillow and the thing back there? Is that true? Yeah, I kicked out of my own house. Yeah. You slept on the couch last night.

Is that why you're late with all of the stuff here? Like, you're 0 for 3, bro. Oh, you're smoking layups. Like, nerd news. And then five seconds later, here comes the thing. You didn't say that it was going to be nerd news. It was just the next thing that we were talking about. If you want to do nerd news, we're going to call it new news.

Is it nerd? It is news. It is news. Steve, please get us into the story. I love you so much. You're the best producer I've ever worked with. Besides Donnie.

Of course. Clarification. Got to have it. So what we're talking about here, obviously, guys, is there's a new character in the Star Wars universe, a character that's brand new to Obi-Wan Kenobi the series.

Her name is Riva. That they're a sister who's played by Moses Ingram. Mosis Ingram, a Yale-trained actress, is being disgustingly harassed by parts of the Star Wars fandom. She's been

very forthright about this. She went on her social media and posted up some of the actual messages she's been receiving. Star Wars, perhaps learning from its mistakes of the past, did not sit idly by as their fandom

harassed a black lady. They jumped to her defense, tweeting a message from the official Twitter and putting up something on the YouTube, excuse me, on the Instagram. But most powerfully, we got this message from Ewan McGregor. It seems that some of the fan base from this influential fan base have decided to attack Moses Ingram online and send her the most horrendous, racist DMs. And I heard some of them this morning and it just broke my heart.

Moses is a brilliant actor She's a brilliant woman And she's absolutely amazing in this series She brings so much to the series She brings so much to the franchise And it just sickened me to my stomach To hear that this had been happening I just want to say as the

Leading Actor in the series As the executive producer in the series That we stand with Moses We love Moses And if you're sending her Bullying messages You're no Star Wars fan in my mind There's no place for racism in this world.

And I totally stand with Moses. Starting with Charles. Your thoughts on this entire, very, very sad situation that's going on with Moses. I think the grand irony of everything that's going on is that Star Wars from the beginning has been one big allegory against how a fascist system, a state can arise. What happens when people start treating others as lesser, start ignoring signs of these things? And I find it very, very cruel and chilling

that generations that have grown up on Star Wars missed that completely and are now repeatedly, every single year attacking people of color, especially women of color, and totally bypassing everything that Star Wars is about at its core. And I think what frustrates me the most is that this was always going to happen. And what I mean by that is,

the thing that's hard about Star Wars, and I'm a fan of it, is that it has flaws. is a galaxy far, far away. And in this galaxy far, far away, George Lucas and a lot of people afterwards, just like, oh yeah, it's going to be populated with white people. And I'm just like, the galaxy far far away with a bunch of aliens, every hero in this is going to be a white person. And I think through the years, they've been trying to rectify that original sin of being like, hey, we need to have a bigger and better imagination. This world just can't be cis white men running around.

But I don't know about you, Van, for years, I felt like I'm like, they're shortchanging a lot of these characters, whether it's John Boyega, whether it's Mace Windo, whether it's Kelly Marie trans character. And it really, really hurt to see that Moses had to say anything,

that Moses was attacked in this way because I'm just like, yo, why can't people of color, why can't women of color exist in a galaxy far, far away? why can't her as an actress, this is a transformational role, this is going to be generational wealth, this is what's going to get her bigger and bigger roles.

Why can't she enjoy this victory lap? Why does this now have to be tarnished? And I know I'm taking up a lot of oxygen, but like, yo, to me, this is the crime about fandom. It's not just Star Wars, it's nerd culture in general. It's that because these stories so much are pitching us on this world, where every hero's a cis white man, of course these people are going to attack Moses

or going to attack John Boyega or going to attack anyone because they can't conceive of a world where people like you and me can be heroes. And that's disgusting. That's disgusting to me. And if you can't realize that Star, the whole thing about Star Wars is like, hey, this is how we have to stop the rise of fascism. If you can't realize what you're doing with Moses

is how this shit starts by making people feel lesser, people with historically less power feel lesser, that's fucked up. And like, for the past few days, I've been so upset. So, very well said. So for me, being a little bit older, I'm not jaded. I'm not. I promise you guys, I'm not jaded. I'm not a cynic. But I've come to expect this. and the reason why is because it's been something that has sort of been reinitiated in my life every couple of years. You know, I fell in love with Star Wars.

We talked about this at the brilliant live show that we did. Amazing hosts we are at Disney, Star Wars celebration. I fell in Star Wars. I fell in love with Star Wars around 8, 7, whatever, whenever I was in the first grade, I'm not sure. Maybe I'm saying that got held back a couple of times, I'm not sure. Whenever it was that that story took place,

I fell in love with Star Wars. And then at 16 or 17, I had another epiphany. And that epiphany was that I couldn't have made Star Wars. The epiphany was that imagining stories and building universes like that was something for white people to do, at least at that time, for a couple of reasons. One reason was because there wasn't going to be a black filmmaker that at that time was going to have a studio believing a dream to that degree. And to be honest with you, it still hasn't happened.

You know, not to this degree. And number two, growing up where I grew up, there's so many stories I have to tell, right, before I can get to my imagination. imagination. And sometimes, you know, you're not free to imagine when you're surrounded with a certain type of a, of societal dysfunction. You do imagine, and you imagine great things, but you imagine ways to tell the story that you really need people to hear, right? You have to, that's why you get some of the Spike Lee movies, or you get the rap, or you get a lot of, and we're just getting to the point now to where black surrealism. black science fiction.

All of these things are coming into the cultural zeitgeist because there's so much more avenue. There's so many more places to kind of put them. But stories that take place a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, sometimes don't seem like things that we have the band within our community to get off our chest. And even when we do, nobody pays attention, right?

So seeing people like reduce Star Wars, which is this amazing tale of good versus evil, of political dysfunction against idealism, seeing them reduce it down to race is kind of what I expect them to do. Right. Our imaginations are limitless, but we choose every single day to limit them. And we have the choice made for us every single day to have how we look, what we think of how we look at things, how we interpret things, and how we celebrate things limited. And that's going to extend here because that's who we are. So all those people and those, those are human beings. And we can't dehumanize. We can't take the human element out of Star Wars.

And it's ugly. It's ugly. It's, it's saddening, but it's a part of who we are. And wherever we go, we're going to take this with us until we make the decision to stop. As a black man in America,

a 42-year-old man, I'm not even mad about the issues. Like, let's say we're in a marriage with America, black people in America. AAPI people with America, LGBTQ plus people with America. I'm not even mad that the marriage is bad. I'm mad that the society will not go to couples counseling.

I'm mad that we won't, that we refuse to figure it out. That's the point that I'm at in my life. So when I see her, I say, hey, Paul for the course. I say, this is a bunch of people who are going to get this off because they really believe in their heart that, not that they're better, that they're God. and no matter what galaxy you put them in

that the black men, black women, Asian men, Asian women, gay characters are less than them because wherever you put them, whatever universe they're in, they're the center of that universe. And you might ask yourself how you talk to somebody like that?

How do you have a conversation with someone like that who, even in another universe where these things are completely reimagined, they still feel like that. They have to be centered. It's sad, and it just reminds you that there's a little reality in these fantasy stories that we're telling. Can I ask you this?

Because I was thinking the same thing where I'm just like, we're not even at a place in black culture where a black person can get enough money to make their Star Wars. Not make a fit. Like, we get money to make films that are like close to home. But we're not even at a place where we can get, like, we get a Black Panther every once in a while. We get a blade every once in a while. And I am at this point when we were doing the black superhero draft, I think the thing, like, it was a fun time, but you did realize how many of the characters that we had to pick, there were so few of them, and how many times were they sidekicks?

Like, I think the thing that frustrates me about representation is the reason fans act like this, besides the capital R racism, is that because every single time they see a black character and fantasy and sci-fi, we're always the side person. We are the Lando. We are the Mace. We are the John Boyega. That's taking nothing away

from those characters or nothing away from the actors that brought them to life. Those are legendary performances. But if we're never at the center, if there's never enough of us to fill the screen, then of course we're always going to be othered.

Of course that's going to happen. People feel this way because we get one black character off to the side and like, to be clear, the corporations are like, aren't you guys happy now? And I'm just like, no, because 90% of the screen is still white. Look, one, do you realize that I don't, I wouldn't even, I would, I would settle for a black villain at this point. I would settle for literally, like, we have a black hero problem, but we also have a black villain problem.

What I mean is like, James Bond is never up against some ridiculously rich, cool, handsome, guy from South Baden Rouge who is his mental I'm just being for I'm being honest with you No that's a real thing Who is his who is his who is his who is his mental match Soft pitch who is who is you know what I mean like I would I would settle for just mattering at this point like I have a black villain agenda

I need black Lex Luthor I need like Black guy with enough gravitas black woman with enough gravitas to be a thorn in the side and not just somebody in the story. But remember now, this is something that happens, like, they whiteified Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ comes from a very specific place in the world. But when imagined as the world hero that he exists as today, they have to make that hero palatable to people who would believe and worship and, um, follow something that mattered to them. And the reality is, with us,

there's always going to be, and this is for black people, period, there's always going to be a sense of skepticism that we can handle that low because we are really seen as less than. And the last thing I'll say about this for me, and I want to make sure that Johnny me and Steve get in here. But the last thing I'll say for it on it as me is like,

it to me is sort of not just a reflection, but it's an opportunity to discuss some of the problems that fandom is going to have. And when I say

that diversity is going to be a problem for Marvel, it's going to be a problem for Disney, it's going to be a problem for all of these different people. This is what I mean by that. I don't mean that you don't need diverse characters.

What I mean is that the characters that they've had that are diverse, that are women, that are black, that are AAPI, that are gay. They have absolutely done no work with them. Zero work for decades. They've done no work.

They've peppered them in there to make sure that people know that these people exist, right? So now when you have to translate that and put that on the big screen, you don't have the source material to stand up next to Thor or Iron Man or Captain America or some of these other people. You know, Black Panther is definitely an exception, but like what's your favorite Falcon story art? Wait, can I push it to you at this? Because I was thinking about this. Can you name me a black creator who has had a long-running successful run on something like the X-Men? A comic book that's metaphor is about race.

That is like literally baked into it. You can't. And that is a book that's supposed to be teaching nerds, America, like, oh, this is what race in society is. I'm like, how can that book have never had a black person? person write it for years and years and years. That's how fundamental every single, like, when we think about black stories, these black characters,

most of the time it is not black people writing them. Oh, it's almost never, especially at the inception is almost never, yeah. So we have to rethink, even in Star Wars, like Rick from Dope, who is working on, he created Dope and he's working on the Mandalorian. He has been.

And he just got, I believe it was announced at Star Wars that he's going to be an executive producer on Season 3 of the Mandalorian. That's what I'm talking about. We need these type of creators in a seat of power. That's how you get more of these characters.

It's not just enough to see more black characters on screen. It's like, no, I want black people behind the scenes. It's not enough to see LGBTQ characters kiss for five seconds on screen. You need these people behind the cameras in seats of power. That's how you can combat

all of this toxicity is that like, yo, we need better representation. Not just more. We need better. And that happens in front and behind the camera. And I'm just getting tired of the way we talk about this being like, oh, Disney's defending Moses. Now I'm like, yeah, that's cool. But they knew that this was going to happen.

You have to do better before this happens. Like, because it does, like, now it's happened to Moses. And I feel bad for her. and I'm just kind of like, yo, y'all, you knew what you were setting these people up for it. Yeah, yeah.

Man, look, you guys, it's... I'm sorry, I feel like with it's a doubt. No, it's fine. It's fine. We have to discuss it. We're the midnight boys, you know. You keep saying this happening to Moses, and I'm... There's a joke in there.

You know what I mean? There's a... There's an Exodus joke in there. I can't find it. If anyone can find it, you know, there's a joke about Exodus because it happened to Moses, but then Moses made it happen to Egypt.

All right. Moses got busy. Can we just say really quick? Shout out to Moses because like, fuck everybody who's talking about her acting. Like, Moses is one of the most talented actors alive. What the fuck are people talking about? By the way, by the way,

I would like to say this before we move on. I don't have any problem with people critiquing whether or not you like Reva with their sister or not. You can do that. There are a lot of people on here, on there, and I know you know who you are. They're going, hey, we can't talk about the fact that we don't like the way she's acting

or we don't like, I don't have a problem with people doing that. I think she's great. But if you don't think she's great, that's for whatever reason. But that's not what we're talking about. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about, if there's a separate conversation,

to be had about why you can't connect with the character, that's a deeper one. But we're talking about specific messages she was getting saying diversity hire, nigger, all of that stuff. Not critique. Hate. What Charles does is hate disguised as critique. This is actual hate.

That went longer than we thought it was going to go. It was deserved. Like shout out Moses. Fuck all y'all. who sent her those messages, Midnight Boys Stand by Moses. Midnight Boys Stand by Moses. We said we're going to get Jomi and Steve in there,

but Jomey said he didn't want to talk about it. That's not at all what I did. Jomi said, Jomi said, Jomi said, I stay out of political arena van. I just give me the content. All right. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it

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podcast. The spoilers are coming. Okay. We have to get in the know on episode three, season one of Obi-Wan, probably the only season. And I'll do that, Charles has to give us

the Midnight Manifest. Let's do it. Guys, this is... The Midnight Manifest for Obi-Wan Part 3, directed by Deborah Chow, written by Jovey Harold, Hannah Friedman, Hussein Amini, and Stuart Fidi. The plot, Obi-Wan meditates in the ship. Troubled by the news that Anakin is still alive, Vader offers Riva the Grand Inquisitor position if she's successful in locating Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan and Leah arrive on Mapozo.

I hope I'm saying that right. However, when they go to the rendezvous point that Haja told them to go to, no one is there. Obi-Wan and Leah hitchhike and the Jedi tells Leah about the memories he has been, he has of being taken from his family as a youngling, and he reveals that he remembers that he had a brother. Leah also uses this time to question Obi-Wan about her own missing father. Obi-Wan and Leah are eventually captured by stormtroopers but are saved by Tala, an undercover

imperial officer who was helping Jedi and force-sensitive kids escape from the empire. One of the people helping her is Quinlan boss, a rough-around-the-edges Jedi with expert tracking abilities. For y'all who don't know who Quinlan is, he appeared in Clone War Season 3, Episode 9, Hunt for Zero, and he has had many in Escapades in Star Wars Legends, which I guess is no longer canon, and he was getting that sweet, sweet Asage Ventress love. Darth Vader and the Inquisitors tracked down Obi-Wan to allow Tala and Leah to escape to a transport ship. Obi-Wan leads Vader away, but Kenobi is certifiably washed and easily bested in battle by Vader. Laya tells Tala to go back and help Obi-Wan, which Tala is

successful in doing, but as a result of helping Obi-1 escape, Greva finds Leia, unprotected, and the show ends. And that is your midnight manifest for part three of Obi-1. Absolutely, Charles. Great job. Great job. All right, instant reactions, Jumby. That was

awesome. I thought this episode was a lot of fun in terms of saying Vader again. You know, he was very Rogue 1-ish, and like, a little boy came out to, you know, try and say, his father and he snapped his neck. I was like, yeah, that's the dark,

that's the dark, that's the dark, I want to start. Stop, stop the cap. He was not, right. Jesus Christ. He was not row one. Whoa. Jesus Christ, Charles, that was our early cap. First of all, not my Vader.

Wow. Why was he not Roe one? It's Charles. Come on, man. Like, Charles, why was he not? The Vader that we saw in the hallway scene of Rogue One was getting fucking busy. This Vader, I was just,

Just snap a boy's neck on the street for coming out to save his father? This Vader finally sees Obi-Wan, burns him a little bit, and then just lets him escape. I'm like, Vader, what are he just stands there? Charles. Charles. All right, Charles, man, you're so fucking, what the fuck? Come on. Like, you're talking out of your ass.

Wait, no one else saw the end of the episode. It was just like, why is Vader just standing there? Why does he jump over the fire and be like, Obi-Wi Wark and Obie, you are not fucking escaping this shit. He literally was like I'm gonna take my time with this. Like, this is gonna be a process. Like you're not just gonna get off easy like that,

bro. He says that at the end of the The pain has just begun. Okay, yeah. That doesn't mean he needs to let him escape. I'm like, come on, Bader. If he was playing with his food. If he didn't want him to escape, he wouldn't have let him escape. He clearly was toyed. By the way, this is what you do, Charles. Why

are we fixated on one part of it? with everything that Jomey said is true. He walks in there and just, I thought it was actually hard to watch. And it's just force choking, force throwing, snap the kid. I've never seen a force next snap.

Have you guys? No. I've never seen a force next snap that I can remember. He was terrifying, so terrifying that look, every time I see shit like this from Vader, and I read the Vader comics,

I get further away from giving a phone. about whether or not he comes back. I know that he comes back. But Vader does such heinous shit. He's such a villainous, villainy villainite at the worst of him that it really, I thought they did a good job of embodying him as pure evil. Charles, you disagree. Oh, before I say that, I actually, like, enjoyed the episode in terms of what it did

story-wise. Like, I think this episode of Obi-Wan is really, really selling the theme of like what happens to children in war? You see it with Obi-Wan and how hard it is, even for him, where it's like he got taken away as a youngling. And now that the Jedi order is no longer around, he has nothing to go back to. He doesn't have a biological family to take care of him.

You see it with Leah and the fact that she's growing up without knowing her biological parents. And you see it with all of these force-sensitive kids who, like, there's this thematic element, almost this metaphor of, of like the immigration experience of like what happens when you can't like you have no home anymore when you have to run away. And it's, I thought that that part of the episode is just kind of beautiful and it's something that like Star Wars hasn't really ever touched in terms of like what happens to all of these talented children under tyranny, under fascism, which I love.

I think what the end of the episode that didn't land for me as much. is that this is the first time that Obi-Wan is seeing Darth Vader. Like, the last time he saw his boy, he was still Anakin. And I felt like... That's not true. That's not true.

I know, no, Steve. He was in a bit of denial at that point. You're referring to the end of... He was already Donned Vader. No, I know that, but, like, he was trying... No, I mean, I might be wrong. This is the first time that he's... He's seen him in his full, like, Darth Vader mode

with... That's not what Darth Vader is. The suit is something different. The moment that he bends the need to Palpatine and accepts his Sith name, he is Darth Vader. Technically, it's not Anakin Skywalker who killed the younglings. Technically, it's Darth Vader who killed them. He was Darth Vader, Vader, Vader, Vader, Vader, Vader.

All the colors in Marvel have goddamn spells. It's the same shit. What is green? Reinforce lightning mean. When Obi-Wan has the vision of Darth Vader, he still, it's the Anakin body. It is literally, like, he's, he's still having the trouble differentiating between

Anakin and Darth Vader. And I was just like, this is the first moment that he sees what Anakin has become, like, visually. That's true, for sure. And I was just like, it didn't necessarily land with that emotional gravitas. I feel like, like, Obi-Wan is scared. of Vader, but I was just like, dude, you're seeing this guy who now has the voice of a black man?

Like, this guy is fucking terrifying. And it seemed a little bit like, you didn't land that emotional beat for me. Once again, we can go back to what we talked about a little bit earlier. You know what I'm saying? You're running around the galaxy saving people the entire time, you sound like McCulloch, all of a sudden, you turned evil. he's got based in his voice now. All of a certain you turn evil and you are a soul singer from the 70s.

You know what I mean? Like, why, you know? Wait, can I ask you? Was it weird for you guys seeing Haydance? Like, it's so weird seeing Hayden's face, but hearing James Earl Charles's voice, I'm like, that voice does not match. That voice does not match the face, bro. I'll tell you one thing, though.

Vader was scary. Let me tell you why I liked Obi-Wald's reaction. because you guys ever had that mixture of curiosity and terror it's quite paralyzing right when you're like what the fuck I'm scared but I don't even really know what I'm scared of what is that thing Steve go for it it's exactly the moment when you see the aliens and signs yeah it's exactly that moment

when walking Phoenix is watching the tape and he's just like he can't look away but he's like backing away like that's that moment for sure. Yeah. And so he's unrecognizable, but he's still like, God damn, what are you? Like, what the hell am I looking at? You know, we're not, we're not to the point of he's more manned

the machine now. We're just like, what is this thing? Killing everybody? This, is this Skywalker? He can't, he don't have time to be sad. But, you know, because he doesn't know what he's looking at, and he's scared, Jummy. It was mad funny. Watching Obi-Wan fumble with a lightsaber and then

like, dip. Just immediately. Like, nope, this ain't it for me. And just start running around that quarry, bro. He was running scared. It was a tough look for my boy. But I understand. He didn't want to smoke. He wanted to even none of that smoke.

James Harder in that fucking training camp. I'm like, dog, what the fuck is happening? Obi-Won? I'm more like Ben Simmons, bro. He didn't want to get in this game, bro. I'm good, bro. You know what? I'll be honest with you.

I can't wait till y'all get old, bro. I really can't. You got to, like, I walk. When we went to Disneyland, I walked back because I left early to get some sleep, right? Number one, think about how wash that is. We're having the time of our lives, I'm like, I got to sleep.

You know what I mean? I walked back. Mistake. Mistake. Feet hurt. You got to keep it going when you're Obi-Wan's age. Obi-Wan's even 10 years older than me. So he's out of practice a little bit.

Think about it. He hasn't used the lightsaber in his whole 40s. Think about it. You don't forget how to drive a car. Come on. Nah, I think there's something to that. There's not a bike. It's a weapon. There's absolutely something to that.

The question is, it's not that whether or not you will forget how to drive the car. The question is whether or not you were forget how to win the Indy 500. That's the question. You can still drive, but are you going to be able to drive against somebody who knows what they're doing in the car? And Vader has been in the car, baby. He's been in a lab, bro. He's been in a lab. And it speaks to Ben's mental when he talks to Lay in the beginning where,

where he's like describing the force to lay and he's like, have you ever been afraid of the dark? How does it feel when you turn on the light? It feels safe. To know that he hasn't had that kind of safety and used the force in 10 years, you're going to be out of practice and scared to use that again.

The man is very much like, hasn't picked up a ball in 10 years literally. The shots broken? Yeah, you want him to go win game seven in the NBA finals. It's just not going to happen. It's just not going to go down like that. Let's talk about Vayner. his crib real quick.

Player. That's a nice little bachelor pad, you know what I'm saying? I need that architectural digest tour. I need the whole setup. The crib itself was built. This is canon from the comics

in order to help Vader channel. It's a big dark side antenna. To channel the dark side. It's crib and Mustafa. Think about it, bro. That's literally like that you build

a crib right, your greatest defeat. That's no. That's like LeBron building a house in Dallas. I miss. I shall build my show. Yeah, like your greatest defeat. You build a home there.

He's right there. I thought it, I think a big part of this show is whether or not they can stick the Vader lore. And I got to be honest, I think they're doing a good job. Jummi, what do you think? Well, actually, Van, I got a question for you. Oh. You know, like I thought, first of all, I thought it was awesome.

I thought it looked like a little like At first I thought it was a Sith temple You know it's kind of got that look to it But that's where you know Inquisitors and Can you imagine driving Uber Eats And like just going up there and like Damn where like well neighborhood am I

Just be like just drop the shit on the doorstep And run away Don't want to get involved there I wonder if there's intergalactic postmates Got it. Oh for sure Because it's hyperspace right So you could get to places very quickly

if you wanted some noodles if you wanted some noodles from Nabu or croissant from Corosant I just like you could probably Chrysorissant Crosanat I wonder if like the IG

honey's like like roll up to the crib and you're like Could you imagine Hey Vader I don't know man This lava around here You're scaring the hose breath He's the lava is scaring the hose Tough Uber back

It depends It depends the deeper you get to the IG honeies, the more you see that some of them will probably fuck with that lava. That'd be next to the lava, taking a selfie, one of them fall in and makes the news. Do you think Darth Vader's directly DMing them, or does he, like, do it

like Drake where he has, like, people to reach out? Tarkin, he's like, you know how, like, LeBron got a phone? And he's like, y'all, is the burner, like, hey. Y'all, you handle this one. Brach James married, Charles.

What you're doing right now? Charles, be careful, bro. You never got to listen. You know what if you start up a clutch? Allegedly. Plush don't play, right? You know what I'm saying?

Rich Paul just woke up somewhere, kicked the Dale out of bed, was like, I got a deal with something. Rich Paul just felt a disturbance in the force. I got a deal with something. Jomey, you going to say something? Yeah, back to my original question for you, Van. At the beginning, you know, before Obi-1 premiered,

you were worried like, man, I don't know if we'll get all this Vader, bro, you know, like they might just tease him. We might barely see glimpse of him. How cool is it to see, like, a whole episode, you know, where he was, you know, the secondary character, the main antagonist. It was great. I think it's, I think that it is a very bold decision

to have as much Vader in this as what we did. because part of Vader's whole mystique is the scarcity of the character. Oh, my God, is Lord Vader. Remember, Lord Vader's going to be here? And they're like, oh, my God, he's coming here personally. But yeah, you're scared of him. But I felt his presence, and I felt the evil. And not just the evil, because Vader is evil, but he's more obsessed

that he is evil to me. He's obsessed with the dark side. he's obsessed with destroying the Jedi. And that obsession really came through. Charles, did you like Vader in this episode? Vader looks amazing. I like the emotional stakes of Vader. I think I'm way more excited to see what happens in the future

because it also, it didn't seem like Vader was fighting Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-E-W-W-E-W-W-E definitely not. He was one hand in the lightsaber. It almost seemed like, and I don't know if we're going to get this, but it almost seem like Vader was just as not afraid of Obi-Wan, but emotionally kind of torn up about it, of being like, I can't kill you yet, but I'm so angry and my anger has festered for so long. I don't, like, I legit don't know what to do with you. Like, I don't know what I'm going to do when I catch you.

And he finally catches him. And he sets the man on fire, which is like, if there's a way you're going to torture him, be like, hey, you remember when you cut off all my legs? made me burn to death, I'm going to give you a taste of that right now. Yeah. Yeah. You know what else is to think, think about Vader as every single flaw in Anakin Skywalker magnified times 100, right?

And think about the way Anakin Skywalker has always been. He was a competitive Jedi. He knew how powerful he was. I'm as good as Master Yoda with the lightsaber. You know, in many ways I've already passed Obi-Wan. So at a certain point, and the last time he fought Obi-Wan, he lost. So at a certain point, not only does he want to exact some sort of revenge on Obi-Wan Kenobi, he wants him to know just how easy it is for him to do it.

So I think that's part of it here, and I think you had to kind of capture that. All right, let's talk about Leah. There's some Leah discourse on the internet, the eyed nets. Some people love Leah. I liked her. Some people did not enjoy young Leah. All right. There's a lot of travel going on here.

They meet who I thought was a cuddly nice pal. But this motherfucker ended up being down with the empire. Oh, I knew he was, I knew he was shaky. I thought he was going to be a cuddly nice pal. Tenticle-mouth motherfucker. He ended up being a complete fake. See, like he was a fake. A fake.

But this entire time, Leah is being her precocious, maybe force-aided. precociousness um do we still like leah after this episode Steve lover I to your point about the lea discords I'm not fucking with the lea slander really uh it's kind of

it's kind of great to see people say that she was overly precocious or intuitive but like I always see that as the force I always see that as speaking to the character of lea that we know and love as portrayed by Carrie Fisher this is, I think, a still great translation of it.

I think that she is sharp as attack when it comes to holding up a lie, even one that Obi-Wan can't even keep straight. And I think she was great in this episode. Fantastic. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Real quick, Charles. That question is very important.

So you see kids being precocious as having the force. You tell me, like, Honey Boo-boo has the force? Oh, right. I mean, what do you mean? There's a lot of kids out here that are precocious. You know what I'm saying? Then Allen means, whatever, Steve. Charles, what you got?

I have an important question for y'all. There's a lot of discourse around Leah being Usain Bolt, and nobody in this world is able to catch her. Right. Do you think... She's running routes on people. It's great. Do you think it's just because she's so talented?

Or because, like, Obi-Wan's knees just saying what they used to be? Well, it's not just Obi-Wan, though. She outran flee from red-hot chili peppers as well, right? Yeah, she shook him. How old is Fleet? Flea, like, in his 60s. I mean, yeah, I'm saying, you're trying to say that,

man, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. You got to be able to catch a 10-year-old girl, bro. She was sliding, bro. She was sliding, bro. She was putting moves. She was putting moves on it, I watched these episodes several times.

It was a little bit. She had the O button. Like, she's spinning. She's doing all kinds of crazy shit. It was the branch, the guy just running to the branch and not, like, ducking is rough. Like that's that is tough

But I would give her that like She spends a lot of time in those woods So she would know when a duck and slide You know what I'm saying But here's the thing She still got really little legs Like it's kind of like when like Your niece or nephew

Like you want a race And you're just like dog Your legs aren't like Can't carry you bro Like what are we talking about It is rough that Obi-Wan Can't just like force jump And be like gotcha

Yeah Obi-Ob-B-Ob Obi-B-Wing is cut himself out He can't think he can't He can't himself off in the force jump He's cut himself off in the force like he's pulling it back really slowly. Like I'm not going to like jump down his throat for being like not the best force user right now,

being out of the game for 10 years. All right. Follow up question because they say in the Star Wars celebration cooked our brains. Do you guys, is it fun to watch an Obi-Wan Kenobi that is this broken? And I'm not talking like story wise, it's excellent. But in terms of like he's really out of practice. and I'm assuming it's not going to be until the final episode or maybe the penultimate episode where he gets busy,

do you think like a casual fan will be like he's not doing Obi-Wan things? Like, what is... I gotta be honest with you. I couldn't... The question is a good question. But who fucking cares? This is the story.

Like, it... Maybe not. Because here's the thing, we loved it. I still... I'm rocking with the series. A lot of people seemed very like, fuck this series. What they... Man,

What did you expect? I thought people would love it if I'm honest. I mean, not you, but what would they expect? My thing is this, this is part of the story. What did I say? I thought that the importance of this story was. The importance of this story to me is to connect a new hope to Revenge of the Sith, right? To show us the hopelessness and just the downright fucking suckiness of the galaxy before Luke and Leah and the rest of,

of them get busy and restore something. And the only character you could do that through is Canobi. So Canobi, in effect, here, he is the galaxy. He is democracy. He is freedom. He is everything that the old republic was. And he is the way that is in tatters right now. And you're seeing that on his face.

The thing about Obi-Wan Kenobi that most resonates with me in watching this is not the fact that he is out of practice with his powers. He's scared. He doesn't have his confidence. Like he has lost his way. This happens in every hero's journey. Spider-Man lost his power. Spider-Man 2. They never tell us why. He lost his confidence. Couldn't do anything. This happens. Our superhero doesn't believe in himself anymore and he can't access the one thing that makes him special, which is his being attuned to the force. Quigon has to come back and show him how to harness the living force. We're going to see that. But for right now, this is what's happening to your boy.

Either love him or leave him alone. Obi-Wan's in a bad spot. Can you dig it? Jomey. Yes, I can dig it. And to get back to the, you know, original point about, about Leah again, like, I thought her, she's just great. Like Steve said,

Obi-Wan almost sold on the transport. Obi-Wan called her Leah. She was like, no, that's not my name. But, you know, she figured it out. What was nuts about that sequence is they cut a Storm Trooper and a half. Yeah, I saw that. He gets, like, slice and dice. I was like, yo, they did I need to show that.

And, yeah, shot, I think it's actually funny if you look it up, Freck, like, I would have bet every single dollar in my, in my pocket that that was Seth Rogen. Oh, you think that was Freck? it is i i will give each midnight boy one guess well i know who it is because i read the credits so i'm not going to guess did you guys read the credits you guys know who rose who voice friends no who voice frank you don't want to guess give any guess in the world john ham charles i have no idea zach brath oh wow okay i love that graph j d off scrubs and if we're talking and if we're talking about voices real quick. If you'll indulge me for a second,

the voice work of James Earl Jones is actually not James Earl Jones. There is a speechify AI called re-speecher that was used back when in Book of Bobafet to use the young Luke Skywalker voice and it has completely done or dubbed over James old Jones's voice to assimilate him.

So while he is like technically his voice is being used it is not actually him performing. Wow. That's really creepy. I could tell it was. That's very creepy. Well, good though. Keep him inside the house, brother. Yeah, yeah. Shout shout to Joe. Wait, you think he's still cashing them checks though? Of course.

Of course. Of course. They're using his name. They're using his likeness. You know, yeah, he's getting to be in a bag. I'm just saying. Endera Varma signing. Woo! Yeah. My queen. She, uh, she debuses

Tyler, who introduces us to the resistance Underground Railroad. I didn't know it was that bad that they needed an Underground Railroad, bro. She is the Harriet Tubman of this episode.

She is. Is that not true? Wait a minute. To free! Is that? Y'all laughing. That's true. That's the first thing I thought.

Like, hey, I'm not saying you're out. We give their new papers. We do the whole thing. It's the Underground Railroad of the Empire. I'm not saying, I'm not disenfranching. agree with you. That's just

a one to 100 comparison. Yeah. That's what she's doing. Nuts. She goes back to help Ben Kenobi, but also we get a little Quinlan Voss. Quinlan Voss has been here. You're happy about that. Charles, what do you think about all of this? All

of these movies are supposed to tie together in some culminating, climatic cinematic event. Do you have any idea where that's going? All these shows, should I say, Charles? What shows? Like Obi-Wan Obi-Wan,

The Mandalorian, Asoka, all of these shows are- I mean, Obi-Wan's not tied into them because this is entirely different. You don't know that. You'd have to watch

all the way to the end to know that. You don't know who you're going to see. It's totally different. The Mandalorian is set after return. I know. But what if fucking Grogu turns up

at the end of this? Or what if, you know what I mean? mean? Like, what if, like, you don't, we don't know. We don't, we don't, we really don't know. I mean, I'm saying? What if a Soca pops in? You know, like, we don't know. I mean, I do think that the story that they're marching towards, and this is a story that has kind of been the backbone is like, we keep forgetting, but in the Mandalorian, they're trying to capture Grogu because he's so forth sensitive. They're trying to capture all of these children

for a reason. This is going through the TV shows. This is something that's, been in the back of kind of like the creative ether of like the animated shows and everything of like for sensitive kids are very very, is a very lucrative business. That's what Cadbane was running around doing in Clone Wars.

I don't know where it's all going. I think it's super interesting. And I think the other thing to me, going back to it, that's super, super fascinating to me. That ties it all together is that we haven't talked about it much, but Obi-Wan Canobi

It was like to Anakin throughout those movies, like you can't have attachments, you can't have attachments. All the Jedi is like you can't have attachments? Is this the first time we hear Kenobi canonically being like, I remember a life outside of the Jedi order? Like I have memories of this life and like being almost sad about it. Because I always thought of Obi-Wan Kenobi as being the pinnacle of Jedi where he's just like, I believe in this order so much. Nothing else even matters. I've wiped it all out of my brain. this is my life's path.

And to see him at this moment when he's so broken, he does actually have an attachment that he's been keeping holding on to since childhood. Even if it's this small ember of a memory was fascinating to me because it opens up so much of the character. Does he continue down that path? Is that how we get the wise old Ben Kenobi

that we find in a new hope? Him being like, actually maybe attachments aren't bad. Maybe I need attachment to. make me powerful. So fundamental question of the series, what will restore Obi-Wan Kenobi? How will Obi-Wan Kenobi? Because right now he's Ben Kenobi.

He's not Obi-Wan. Right now he's different. By the time we get to New Hope, it seems as if Ben Kenobi is an alter ego. Obi-Wan Kenobi is a superhero that we know. How does he, what brings him out of this funk, what reconnects him? Will it be Quigon? Will it be his love for Leia, will it be the fact that he has to make Luke a ham sandwich for lunch and give it to him and they have a discussion, who knows?

But what's going to save Obi-Wan right now? Because he can't save himself. He can't. Nothing in this particular episode made you believe that in some kind of way, Obi-Wan was going to muster up the courage and inspiration inside of him to go back. Like, he's holding that lightsaber so reluctantly. I was looking at that, and I'm like, when they get into it, the blaster battle with the stormtroopers.

And he's, it's a great action sequence, by the way. And he's shooting them. I'm like, at this point, they know you're the Jedi. Why don't you just take out your lightsaber and get busy? I'm thinking, maybe somebody could see the lightsaber from far away. Maybe, you know what I mean? But I also think that there's a reluctance for him to grab his lightsaber. And the reluctance is that he really doesn't think that he's that guy anymore.

He's not even confident with it anymore. He really. deeper than that. Let's let's just get deep, nigga. Think about what's the last thing that Obi-Wan did with his lightsaber? He thought he killed his friend.

That's true. When he picks it back up, his thought of this is like, I had to dismember my brother. The person, the only person in this world, like, he had to abandon his family as a youngling, so Anakin is the closest thing that he has to family.

That's the equivalent of like, if you shoot your brother with a gun being like, oh, no, like, I have to pick this thing up again. Like this is, that's a simple of like the worst moment in his entire life. And to me, it's very, the reason that he doesn't use it against the stormtroopers as a storytelling device is so smart because the first time he picks up his lightsaber again is to battle Darth Vader. He created this person. And the only way he can defend himself is with the exact weapon that he almost killed his best friend with. That's, well, actually, this is

something that I when I was watching the first time speaking of Leah and Obi-One when he's talking about you know they're creating the backstory for them being like farmers on tall right he's like he calls her Leah he's like no you know that's just my old wife's name she was this and this and this and this and and you know Leah's just like you knew my mom did my mom yeah and then she follows up with are you my real father and Obi-Wan It's like, I wish I could be, but no. I was like, why would you answer it? Well, I mean, I would really rather be some other kids' father rather than them being

Darth Vader. Like, I'd really wish to not tell that kid that. But that's also, there's also another way to look at that. Remember the whole clandestine love triangle pad me? Like the whole, not remember the Superman pose? Exactly. The Superman pose after he comes off. He's supposed to wear the shit, and he was like, look, I just fucked your girl with my

Obi-Wan robe. You know what I mean? And so, like, and so it's like, maybe there's some latent situation. And now, obviously, Clone Wars kind of put a lot of that to bed. But remember, when, when, when, when, when, when Revention of the Civil War's first coming out, there was all of this talk about the fact that there was going to be a subplot, love story, love triangle between the three of them, that there might be something going on. But, you know, that would have been crazy.

That would have been terrible. That would have been so bad. Yeah, I don't think, like, I think obviously it just meant like, I wish your dad wasn't, you know, freaking the emphasis of evil. I wish it wasn't Darth's freaking Vader. Right. But it just came off really funny to me. Like, I wish I was your father.

Like, what do you mean by that? Wait, can't before we get to that, we missed my favorite character of this whole episode. Ned B, my droid friend, keeping holding it down. That's the man. That's the man. And also, I think. Ned B is such a, like, what they're doing with Leah and droids in this is so special, because this is the second episode in a row where we kind of get,

we see who Leah is, and, like, everybody in this world treats droids, like, absolute garbage. And, like, Leia's, like, no, like, he has something to say. Like, this is a sentient being. And you could argue that she, because she believes in Ned B so much, that's what helps her get away almost, is that, like, Like, she respects these droids in a way no one else in this world does, which is, you want to know, is a little ironic that all this Moses shit happened. Because I'm like, this show is essentially about we should believe in people. We should treat people who have less power than us historically better.

Leah's just like we should not treat these people like second class citizens. We should treat them as our equals. So it's very funny that the Star Wars community has bypassed all of that. It's been like, fuck black people. I love this, right? But it changed for Leah later on. Later on, Leo was mean to Chewy on a couple of different occasions. She said she'd sooner kiss a wookie.

That's a diss for no reason. Chewy like, like Chewy, like Chewy. Chewy did nothing. Not chewy. Oh, wookie. Casting a whole. A whole race. All of wookies. Wow.

Yeah. And I remember, I remember what else does she say? Would somebody get this walking, furball out of my way or something like that. What did she say? She said that to him. Like, so whatever this is, is like, she changed after a while. She got jaded and

she might, she might treat joids good, but not rookies. She has her blind spots too. Is, is it fucked up that Han, you know, Han, this is the love of his life. He didn't pull Leah aside and be like, you can't be talking to my man's like that. I can't bring you

to the barbecue. Like, you can't be like doing this. At the end of the day, they got cool, but whatever it was that made her down with all droids, it changed at some point, man. Because, like, how,

how, think about it, everybody here has been with a girl before they did like their homies. You can tell me that you don't like them, but don't tell him that you don't like them. You know what I mean? Don't call my man a carpet,

bro. This is my guy. That's wild. That's wild. Damn, man. She said, I'll never, she's like, fuck your wookies.

I'd sooner kiss a wookie. get this walking carpet out of my way. First of all, I didn't know they had carpet in the galaxy. I haven't seen any. That's a slur. Calling him a walking carpet is bad. It's very bad. Ooh. Man. Anyway,

Reva kidnapsed Leia. Jomi, stop laughing. That's fucked up on Chewy's part, bro. Like, Chewy's the nicest guy in the galaxy. He did nothing wrong. It's absolutely tough. And to me, like, I'm watching this

and I'm thinking, yeah, she's nice now, it's not going to last. Like, it's sad. It's like watching Phantom Minus again, and you know that that little precocious boy, once again, forced precociousness. Are you an angel? Are you an angel?

I, I had a dream, and I was such a... Mass murderer. We know that the Skywalker's genetically are predisposed to be pretty strong in the forest. Do you think, like, racism flows downward from, like, Darth Vader? where it's just like after she got to a certain age, he had puberty,

like, Leah was just like, we have no evidence of Vader being racist. Vader is a black man. Yeah, we have no evidence of a racist Vader. Really? Really?

You want to stick by that. What does he do in attack of the clones? To kill the same people? That's true. Yeah. That's tough, that's tough, they kid that's tough.

They kid that his mom. It wasn't race. It wasn't, it wasn't race. It wasn't race base. By the way, the best thing about that is that Padman was just like, all right, well, you had a bad night. Dude, that's so nuts, bro.

That's so wild. And then it revenged the Sith. She's like, no. Attica could never do that. You stood by. Right. He murdered. You had me coming here.

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We have to get to this point. Leah is now with Riva. What does this take the story? Is there now going to be a layer rescue mission? Are we going to see a scene with Leah and her father? Where does this lead us right now? I think we are on the Razor's Edge of some of this just making no sense in terms of just like, they're going so kind of far with the Leah subplot.

I'm just like, Leah doesn't seem to like know any of this shit. She doesn't know who her father is in a new hope. She don't really, but I'm just like, it seems like if Lay is this good with the forest, she should start picking up on some of this. And I'm just kind of like, I'm just worried. I'm like worried that they might be on the razor's edge of like just telling us too much and none of it's starting to make sense.

Show me? I think, because again, we had no idea Leah was in this series to begin with. And so, you know, her inclusion in episode one, And it's like, oh, wow, it is, and it's cool. And now, you know, we're halfway through, and it looks like the show is going to be Obi-Wan going to Risk is Life for Leia. And I think what, like, my question, you know, to Charles's critique is like, okay. So what does that mean for Luke and Owen? Now those people we meant episode one, right?

Like, supposedly, like, you know, they have arcs. We're supposed to, you know, follow them and, you know, understand, like, how Obi-Wan got from Revenge of the Sift to. a new hope but a lot of that takes place on Tatine which I mean I'm glad we're not spending time there but I'm interested to see how they weave all of that together in this last back half because Leah is super important

and I assume the next three episodes are going to be like them going to go rescue her or something or other Steve? No, be interesting. Yeah, it feels, it's starting to feel a lot more and more like a retcon the farther that we go because especially with the way that that Leia treats Ben

in a new hope if you went through this long of an adventure you better know a lot more who he is than just this and like if we go a little bit farther with all like if if a 10 year old Leah encounters Vader

I don't I don't know how we'll go about that but again I'm kind of with Charles we're like okay why would she know wait a minute though she can encounter of Vader 10 times and I know he's her dad. No, no, no, no. It's not even the fact that he wouldn't know who Vader is, but it's the fact that

within the context of who Obi-Wan is, and when, like, Obi-Wan dies in a new hope, like, Leia feels kind of nothing. Like, she's kind of just, like, going about this kind of casually. And if we only keep it within that context, I don't know how much longer, like, outside of straight-up amnesia for this kid to go through without acting some kind of different way in a new hope. Is there going to be some forced brainwash that happens? Joanna suggested like she could just get bopped on the head real hard and just not remember. But here's the thing, it's nuts because like, imagine like, Lil Leah thinks that like Obi-Wan Kenobi at one point is her dad. Imagine like meeting him years later and just not bringing any of this up, not being like,

you know, you remember that time like I watched the stormtrooper get cut in half and you had to come like rescue me? Like, we're getting like, this is, it's getting weird. I know, but what I'm saying is, first of all, I love Comic Con. I love all types of cons. But my favorite type of con is a motherfucking retcon. Tell me Wolverine's real name. Change the origin. Fuck it up.

I like Red Conns. I like those stories that get retconned by whoever the writer is. This person is dead. Oh, they're alive. Oh, no, they never even lived. That's not who you think they are. They were never who they were. I like a reccom, baby.

But I don't think that's what's going to happen here. But that is true. And I would agree. Like, recons can be super fun, but, like, that's kind of unprecedented if we go a lot farther with this,

especially when it comes to Star Wars. And it's difficult to do too much retconning to a new hope. Sure. That's the tip off. That's throwing the ball up. You know what I mean? Because, like,

you could last Jedi your way around things after the fact. And, like, people can act the way that they want to act. But, like, if you're leading up to the doorstep of a new hope, that's, One thing about the Inquisitors that I have to say real quick before we get on to quarter flips. I don't really like them.

I don't think they add very much to the show. I would be honest with you. I think Third Sisters cool. Love the two Inquisitors. They don't really seem scary anymore. They don't really seem foreboding anymore. They just seem like some fucking lackeys. I don't think this show is doing very much for the Inquisitors at all.

I'll be honest with you. That's how I feel that way. Outside of the Third Sister and I think maybe the Grand Inquisitor, once. Have we seen them ignite their lightsabers at all even? Not yet, no. Well, not that that's, not that that needs to happen right away, but like, no, it kind of, because here's the thing. I don't like, here's the, I've watched the Faloniverse, so I get it. But if you're someone who has never watched the cartoons, you're like, who are these people? How powerful are they? Like, what's their deal? Like, they have not really

established why the Jedi are so afraid. Or why the galaxy or the people are so, afraid of them. Like they... Right. Yeah, like, you're right, Charles. And like, we see the fifth brother kind of like restrain third sister a little bit when he's like pissed off or like we're talking to Vader behind their back and all that stuff. So like we can tell that they're, you know, at least somewhat powerful with the force.

But that's a sliding scale. Yeah, you know what it is. It's like, it's like the, like the Miami Heat in terms of like, you know, O.B or Vader is like Pat Riley, right? He's he's a GM, you know what I'm saying? Grand Inquisitor's a coach, you know what I mean, like Eric's Bolster. And the third sister is Jimmy Butler, you know what I'm saying? And the fifth brother is Adonis Haslam, right?

And so when they start to beef, you know what I'm saying? Imagine if Jimmy Butler just like got Eric's Poulch out of it. That would never happen on the real Miami heat, obviously. But imagine that. Now, Pat Riley has to come down. Darth Vader starts sending it straight. Like, hey, man, we can't be out here like this. Well, it's wild that the third sister killed their boss.

and they're all just like, all right, okay. Well, but they're darksiders, though. So that's kind of like the dark side rules, master kills the apprentice. I thought,

I thought that she told them that Obi-Wan killed the Grand Inquisitor because she was like, I'm sorry for, you know, what happened to him. You know,

we'll get Obi-Wan for what he did to the Grand Inquisitor. And she's like, don't worry about that. You know what I mean? But if I'm the brother, I'm like,

that's bullshit. That old man ain't killing the fucking Grand Inquisitor. That was Joeazer. Exactly. That's why you mean's looking that Jimmy like, bro, what's going on? I also do I love, I do love how petty

the fifth brother is when he's like, well, I told Vader that we found him on this planet, so you don't even need to tell him. Like, that's just a real child shit. Fifth brother. Cocked that. Is that out of you? No, yeah, because it was real funny. Like, conceptually

on shout out to Jason, made the cop like, they're just a mismanaged basketball team. Like, just off the jump. It's true, bro. They need some help, man. All I know is this. I wish my father would have told me I had a fifth brother. Didn't find out until later.

That's tough. That's tough. A joke didn't land. No, I got it. I got it. Light bummer. It's just, it's not going to laugh at, you know. You want us to laugh at your pain, man?

Yeah, no, we're not going to laugh at that. I liked it. When all the other kids started showing up, I thought it was hilarious. Did they look like you, Ben? Some of them. Some of them look like weird. Like there was one. It's like a weird, small version of me.

Like he was a tiny little guy, but he looked like me. I was like, God damn. Like, it looked like a multiverse version of me. Like, all of these multiversal vans. I'm like, wow, y'all are different. This one van is played by John Krasinski. John Krasinski, yeah, Black Bolt. Quarter flips.

We got any quarter flips for this episode? guys are going to shout of me. I already said it. The fight between Obi-Wan and Vader to be, I just, can we establish how powerful Vader is? Like, that's the, no, I'm not buying that, Charles.

I'm not, I'm not letting you sit with that. Because if you, if you have to say that, then you got to undo the entire first fight in a new hope with those two old men waving sticks to each other. Come on. New Hope, we already know that fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi is, has fucking white hair in it. We've already, our minds have already glazed over.

The fact that, like, it's not a, you can't compare this shit. And the Vader that's doing the lightsaber moves in Rogue One is not the Vader that we beat in a new hope. I get it. But like, we're at the point now that we know what a lightsaber fight actually means. And it's like a reflection of the two people's state of mind. Obviously, Ben Kenobi is afraid. Vader is angry.

That is how they both fight. Then why is Vader chopping motherfuckers, like, mowing people down with those lightsaber moves in a Rogue One? I'm like, it was just like, no, he needs to get busy. Just because it's not as flashy as you like it, doesn't mean that it can't have the same emotional weight. I just want, it's not about emotion. I just want visually for them to be like, all right,

he's going to be this Vader going forward, or we're going to keep with the very, like, slow and awkward movements of, like, the first trilogy. Either one is fine, but I was expecting Rogue One Vader, and I didn't get it. I don't think, I, look, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. if so wait I'll put it to you this way

what if we don't get a fight between Obi-Wan Canovi and Vader that is like subpoining one of the best lightsaber duels we've seen in Star Wars

y'all telling me y'all gonna be cool I'm not yeah I'm not I'm not putting I'm not putting that flag down you're such a child why don't you grow up like what it's like I can't ever

lightsaber dual an open-locked no-be? You're expecting dual-of-the-fates in this? You're expecting like a dual-of-the-fates-level lightsaber battle here. Yes. Summer of no expectations, Charles. That's how you get burned. No expectations.

You bring back Hayden Christensen. You bring back Hayden Christians and you like, where are you notting these wildfires? They're like, that is telling the audience like, yo, we're going to let them cook. You can't even tell us Hayden Christian. Like, you all, that could, that could easily be Christian Haydinson in that suit. That could be, that could be James.

Jones can actually be in the suit. You guys are lying. That's like saying I went to a Fast Furious movie, but it's all right if there's no car chases in it. What the fuck? What are you talking about? That's such a, you're so off your ass. It's because it's not an expectation. We know they're going to fight again.

They're going to fight again. Like, we know that. But you're telling me, if this. isn't like a top tier level lightsaber duel. But the lightsaber dueling has changed, bro. I keep trying to tell you this. In all of the...

Okay, let me ask you a question. In the sequel trilogy, was there a lightsaber duel as good as either of the duels in Phantom Menace? I would say the... What's the one we'll call it? The Last Jedi duel. Yeah.

Okay, so I would say that that duel is thrilling. but the lightsaber play itself is not nearly as good as what we saw in the prequel trilogy. It's different. I would say it's different. It's different because the Jedi are different because the sword play has changed because it's no longer the era of the Jedi.

We keep telling you this. So when these two guys duel again, first of all, when they duel again, don't expect to see Vader flip around like Darth Mall, jump around like Yoda, or even having like it's a deal. different. It's going to be closer to what you got in the new oath. This is still, this is, wait,

you're telling me that Darth Vader lost all of the skills, the lightsaber dueling skills that he had in the previous movies. He's at the peak of his powers. What are we talking about? I'm not saying that he lost them. What I'm saying is he's in the suit now, bro. He's wearing a flak jacket. Like, I don't know. You see him get

busy in the fucking comic books. Like, don't like, don't move the scale. Don't move the goalpost. You don't move the goalpost. We're in a fucking summer of no expectations, Chuck Wagon. either you get all bored with it or you jump off the shit I'm jumping back on

I'm sorry We have no expectations We have no clue What's gonna happen Like Thor, Love and Thunder could come out We don't know who's gonna be in the movie We don't care

Who's gonna be in the movie Like if Deadpool showed up And Thor Love and Thunder You know what we would say It's nice It was cool It's cool Bifisto

Who's that We don't know who that is We don't expect anything I don't know him I don't know. I've never heard of the guy. Y'all, y'all poking out. If I was working at a nightclub and Mephisto showed up, I caught him.

I'd be like, I don't know you. I'm not just going to let you in based on reputation. You know what I'm saying? I've never seen this man before my life. I'm sorry to this, man. Disney invites y'all to Star Wars celebration, and all of a sudden, y'all say, y'all saying, you weren't there, d'all drinking green milk. You're in there drinking the blue milk.

By the way, the most wondering. of all of us was you. Oh my God, it's the Millennium Falcon. Ran to the Millennium Falcon. Ran. Ran. I was so excited. Stop.

I had to do. Yeah, you ran. Oh, my God. I can't believe it. Van, I'm not going to lie. This shit is the greatest, bro. Right, don't stop. Come on, Charles.

All right, guys. Bro, Van, Van, you missed it. We went on Smuggler's run. This man, this man, Charles. Man, Charles was like, how do we get, how do we get chewy? How do we get chewing? Was asking everybody.

How to get you, right? What are we supposed to do? Not ask? Did y'all? Sure did. They flew the Millennium Falcon, Charles and Mout, flew the Millennium Falcon horribly.

All right. They ran into everything. Okay. Jomi and I were in the back being like, pull up, pull up, pull up. I'm sorry. I'll be honest with you.

I'll be honest with you. In that situation, I would feel like Jomi and Steve should be the pilot and my God. Oh my God, I want to run it back so bad. I want to run it so bad. We would be a forced diet. You see it.

You understand. You see the vision. C3PO and R2D2 flying the ship now. Okay. That's what we do. Okay. This is about to get better than you. It's about to get personal.

It's about to get personal. We've got to go. That's what we got to go. We got to go. That's a wrap. This Friday, the House of R will return once again for their deep dive into episode three of Obi-Wan Canobi. Monday, it's the House of Midnight, giving you our thoughts on the newest season of the

boys, cannot wait. And Ms. Marvel is on the way soon as well, hearing nothing about great things from Ms. Marvel. Make sure you guys check it out. We will be talking about it here on this feed. Might be a job for the junior Mitz. That might be mint edition situation. Min Edition is going to be coming back at you guys pretty soon.

Do you guys have any idea when you guys are going to drop in Min Edition again? Oh, new season of the Brotherhood Academy for the Junior Mitz. that's amazing. I'll be watching that to us. I'll be, to make sure you guys tap into the Juniors. I think the Juniors

should have their own, uh, their own, like little tagline, like, because it's a mint, like a slurp, like,

like, I don't think that's true. I think, we should, we should go back in the lab, right? Let's go back and like, you're a tool.

You know what I'm saying? That's the GMEN. I don't think, no, I don't think that'll get past corporate. We should go back. Let's go back to the drawing board, get a couple more ideas.

and bring the best three or four in front of the people. That's not going to work. Producer Craig. Our producer is Steve Almanjoy. Jomi, at dinner on. Jomey the explainer. You've got questions. He's got to answer.

Hashtack Free Jomey on social media. Additional production from the MVP himself are Juno Ram Gapal. Charles takes out. Leah is Usain Bolt. She is running with elation. And I want to apologize for all of you all for forgetting that this is the summer of no expectations.

So when we leave the episode, Riva has kidnapped Leah. Riva's just not fucking around, man. Riva like Monique. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

She is. You better do right by her. You better do right by her. She's going to let the whole world. No, think about, think about if they would have Monique played with their sister. That would be nuts,

bro. Don, you don't cut. Why? Why? Yeah. Like, bleep that. Why do we have to cut that?

Monique is an Oscar winning actor. Like, you just think about if they had Monique as the third system. Like, Monique is, why would we cut that? Monique has the right, Arjuna. We shouldn't have to cut that, should we? It's an Oscar winning actress. Think about how Monique would have been in that role. You can't be serious, man.

Killing all inquisitors. killing everyone. Monique don't fucking play about her business. How short with this show be? Monique, she'd just be killing everyone. Monique,

when she'd have the contracts ready to go. Like, she doesn't, she don't play about her business. Monique, the only thing about Monique is that she might not be a good inquisitor

because she's not going to be able to get along with Vader. She's going to ask Vader. She's just like, why my contracts fucked up? You gave Dave Chappelle 50 million. Like, where's my money?

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