The Ringer-Verse - 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' Episode 5 Instant Reaction | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

The Midnight Boys tap into the force once more to give their instant reactions to the fifth episode of 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' (04:16). They weigh in on Obi-Wan's plan to defend his allies against Vader and Reva (23:18) as well as the third sister facing off against Darth Vader herself (44:13). Later, they give their takes on Lady Gaga's potential involvement in Todd Phillips's latest Joker sequel (62:07). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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in a second episode of Miss Marvel. On Friday, Joanna and now we're going to be back to give you their deep dive on episode five of one on Kenobi. And Sunday, Mid Edition returns to give their thoughts on Light Year.

We were just talking about Light Year. We had some Pixar discourse. from the fellas. We had a little Pixar discourse from the people over here. Big Arjuno disrespect and Ratatoui. He needs to put some respect on Ratatouy's name. Cars is fine.

Cars is okay. Cars is trash. Cars is okay. That's how I know you are young men. It's fine. It's like, listen, it's okay. It's a six. It's all right.

It's okay. It's not that bad. We don't listen to you. I'll just hate it. You're too. You are a baby. It's not like hating to me. Go-go-Gagga, look at the course.

It's actually... I'm not going to spoil it for you guys. You guys got to listen on Monday. We call this in the business a tease, but we dropped some news. Like, something came up in the pod about my age. That was really funny.

It was nuts. You won't believe it. You better to listen. I'm going to listen. And if it's not funny or entertaining, you'll come back on this pod and be excoriated. On today's show, we'll be taking a look at the fifth episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi. We will also discuss some zaniness.

There's some zaniness going on in the world of comic book movies in its surrounding Joker 2. We're just getting super zany, aren't we guys? Let's go ahead and start it. Steve, the Joker 2 news is so zany that it makes me want to throw up Zane. Throw it up. Go ahead and run a spoiler warning for me. We're getting ready to talk about

General Canova. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to begin our reactions, as always, we cannot start this show without putting you in the know And who's going to do that? Charles Holmes when he gives you the midnight manifest. Guys, this is the midnight manifest for Part 5 of Obi-Wan Kenobi, directed by Deborah Chow and written by Jovi Herald and Andrew Stanton. We flashback to Corrassan, where Padawan, Anakin, and Obi-Wan are about to have a lightsaber duel.

But in the present, Vader promotes Riva to Grand Inquisitor after she finds a location of Obi-Wan and the path which Vader sends her to destroy. On Jabin, Lola sabotages the overhead flight doors so the poor sensitive children and their families can escape. Inspires the refugees to fight so all the families can escape, and Leia says she can fix the doors to help. Riva and her stormtroopers quickly overtake the base, but Obi-Wan tries to stall by having a talk with Riva. Obi-Wan deduces that Riva was one of the younglings that escaped Anakin at the temple during Order 66. Reva says she watched as the other younglings were slaughtered and had to hide under their bodies to stay-state. Riva dams Obie-Wan for not stopping Anakin, who was his Padawan, and then Obi-Wan realizes that

Reva wants to hunt Vader down and has done everything up into this moment or that task. Throughout this, we're getting more flashbacks of young Obi-Wan trying to teach his Padawan Anakin about the virtue of patience and not trying to prove himself to everyone. Tala dies trying to fend the stormtroopers off but sacrifices herself in the process by setting up a bomb. Obi-Wan surrenders to Riva and tries to convince her to kill Vader now, since he'll be so focused on his old mentor and ignore her. Lear repairs the doors, turns Lola good again, and the past starts their escape. Vader tries to stop one of the ships using the force, but while he's distracted, when next to it escapes,

Riva confronts Vader after, and Vader gives her the business refusing to light his own lightsaber. Man, is it brutal? The OG Grand Inquisitor arrives and snatches back his chain from Riva. Then Riva finds Obi-Wan's com link from Senator Argana, and it seems like she's going to Tatooine. Do something horrible to Luke. And that is your midnight manifest for this episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Obi-Wan Canobi, Episode 5. Charles, thank you for that midnight manifest. Give me your instant reactions to episode 5 of Ibi-1 Canobey. They did it. Like, they did it. Come on. The pack was almost there. But the minute this TV show came on, and I see a young Anakin and a young Obi-Wan about to get busy. Wow

Like my heart This episode Was phenomenal Was phenomenal Why are you surprised I'm genuinely I'm genuinely so happy And so shocked

Juicy Daddy Shocked wait Did you guys think I was gonna hate this episode Fuck yes Yeah I'm not the grinch of content I have a heart Okay

No no No Arjuna You all the Grinch of content, without a doubt. Arjuna, pop in. What did you think Charles was going to think of this episode? I thought our beloved Charles was absolutely going to tear into this episode. Hell no.

All right, here's the thing. Once Anakin did the little behind-the-back lightsaber twist and was given like, Obi-Wan that work, Vader versus Riva, oh my gosh, dog, that was a generational ass-wopin. Honestly, if I'm Riva, if I'm Riva, I'm calling out. Sharpton because Vader had a little bit too much too much like uh fun beating up on a black person in that episode like that fight was amazing Jesus Lord have mercy what the fuck is going on wow I love this episode Junete's coming up Charles hell yeah we got Monday off not like but like

be be for real once like Vader flipped Riva over he didn't even take out his own lightsaber That's how disrespectful that fight was. He wasn't even like, dog, I don't even need this. Once Vader did, what? He didn't take out his lightsaber. Let me say once Vader flipped Reva over. Just be careful right there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You know, be careful. Please saw the people what you thought of this episode. It was okay. It was okay? Yeah. It was, it was, it was good. Oh, my God. Is this like a freaky Friday situation?

Have you been like, wait, Are you, like, are you bunking me? Are you trolling? I swear to God, I'm not. So, look, there was a lot of cool stuff that happened in this episode. I think, to be honest with you, that there should be a whole television show called Vader fuck shit up. Like, just Star Wars.

Vader fuck shit up. Vader comes out and he's wearing, like, it's Vader next to a campfire or not next to a campfire, next to a fire in the house, a stove, whatever. What you call it? Fireplace? Fireplace, yeah. Fireside chat with the fire side chat. Vader comes out.

He's got like a drink. He's wearing a robe. He says, hey, I'm going to tell you about that time. I fucked these people up on genosis. I'm going to tell you about that time. I fucked these people up on the boot. It's like that episode of Samurai Jack when Aku's telling stories to kids. Just a whole show with Vader doing wild shit.

Because I could watch that. It's so nuts. all of those sequences are great. I'd hate the, the episode was good. I had some problems. Okay. It's a problem. I didn't say it was a perfect episode.

There's problems with the episode. No, no. Please stay on the side of the rainbow. Please. It's a good episode. No, no, no. It's a good episode. No, because we, I'm so thrilled that you,

I'm not even joke. I swear to God, all just aside. I'm so thrilled that you loved it. Like, so thrilled that you loved it, right? Because there are a lot of, things to love about the episode. And a lot of times, you set the tone for just what a putrid negative show that this is going to be.

And so now, this show will be positive because you are positive, right? And so- I'm just shocked that you didn't like it as much as I liked. I'm really shocked. I could be tripping. Because if you, I'm going to be honest with you. I watched it like four or five times. So, like, I could be tripping.

I thought that there were amazing things to, like, some of the Riva stuff. in here is so bad. I'm like, some of the Reva stuff in this episode is so bad. There's some nonsensical story things here. She's doing a lot to get close to Vader. She was close to him in Mustafa.

She's doing a lot to get close to Vader. A lot of people have to die so she can get close to Vader. And it just, there's some things that didn't make sense to me. And I didn't expect these reveals to go the way that they went. Am I tripping? Jomi. Can you give us your instant reaction?

Are you surprised at all by Vans' lukewarm take on this episode? Yeah, kind of, because I thought the Vader stuff would hook you. The Vader stuff would get you like, ah, this is good. In terms of, you know, Riva stuff, I think we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it down the line. But there's some stuff. There's like a little tweak, I think, that they could have made. They would have made that story, like, click.

but I didn't totally hate it. Like I could follow the thread that they were weaving. So I was like, okay, I see what Charles are trying to do here. I get it. She just wants to get close to Vader

by any means necessary. And part of that is hunting Obi-Wan because she knows that he's Anakin and Obi-Wan was his master. I'm sorry, guys. It's a horribly written character. I just can't. It's a horribly written

character. It, for her, and this was a, you guys can call, maybe I'll be the hater now. I'm cool. I'm not loving the character at all.

Like, at all at this point. Well, I'd like to prod that a bit. Like, do you think is it because we know so little about her and what we do learn in this episode is so easily telegraphed from like the moment we've met her in episode one that is, just like, okay, fine, we're still here.

Is that why? Is it like, we wish that there was something more to what we got? Or is it the fact that it's been dragged out? We knew that this was the thing, right? We didn't know that she would be hunting. We didn't know that she would be hunting Vader. In this particular situation, to have her hunting Vader, after all of this, after all of it, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Like, for this to be her mission and her, if she is, she's mad at the Jedi. So she's turned to the dark side. But she's kind of great, right? She's not a dark sider. She's not a light sider. But she really doesn't seem to be... I didn't buy it. I'm sorry.

I'm just to be honest with you. I didn't buy it. I didn't buy... With the way that the show is played out, I didn't buy it. I did not buy at all that this is a person hell bit on killing Darth Vader.

I didn't buy it. I'm genuinely curious. what this show would have felt like if this was a binge drop and a binge model. Because at every turn, I feel like this is a movie that got either stretched or chopped up. And for week and week and week, we keep wondering why there's so seemingly little

to the third sister that we just are like, yeah, it's clearly this. And there's nothing that she clearly has a vendetta for Vader and like she's just trying to, you know, means to her own ends. I would have loved to know if we had gotten all of this. this as a download directly over the course of a few episodes, I think that might have maybe saved it a bit.

But then again, like, she's just a kind of, like, she probably wishes she's on the Grand Crusade that Asoka would be, but she's set for her own revenge and not really, like, thinking about anything clearly. And rightfully so, because she's had a lot of bad shit happen to her. Yeah. There's a lot of negative energy in this room. Yeah, right.

Turn around. There's a lot of negative energy in this room right now. I'm not appreciating it. By the way, we don't know enough about the hardships of Riva's life, and maybe we'll find out in episode six. We don't know enough about the hardships of her life and the things that she went through up to this point, besides the order 66 situation.

See, that's the thing. That should be enough, though. That should be enough. No, it shouldn't. Like, I mean, it shouldn't. Being a kid and, like, being left for dead and, like, your only family just being murdered, like, that should be enough. We should be made to care enough, is what you're saying.

No, what I'm saying is, no it's not enough okay let's get that out of the way real fast no it's enough for you to want to uh live in a different way or do but to a bloodlust where you're going to do you have people are dead

because Reva wants to get to Vader like do you have any of the people are dead it's a wholly unlikable character now right you want to kill Darth Vader work on the force somewhere, go to Corrassant, like commune with the Jedi Temple,

get your powers up, and then come one day and go kill Vader. I watched a boy get his neck snapped in the second episode of this show. All right? I watch a boy get his neck snapped so she could get revenge on him. She, to me, is the worst of all the people

on the show. I can't fucking stand it. Well, I mean, we talked about this at the end of the first two episode drop. how much she sucks as a, like as a teammate, you know, as a person. So like her being like the worst or the worst, it does not surprise me. And she got played. She played that freaking Reeva like a heart from hell.

The Gran Inquisitor came out. Give me my shit back. Give me my brooch back. No, Grand Inquisitor snatched that shit like TI and ATL. Yeah. Like that shit was rough. Yeah. I'm not hating on the episode though because look, seriously, when I say I'm not hating,

I'm like, it was good. But the episode was good. It was a damn sight better than the one before, right? I love the flashbacks. Love two 50-year-old man. Wait, can we start chronologically with Obi-Wan and Anakin's fight? Let's start chronologically with Obi-Wan and Anakin going back. This must have been a little bit before the Clone Wars or on the eve of it because Anakin still has his braid.

Yeah. Yeah, he still has his braid. And it's obvious that this is Anakin at a point where he's almost ready to become a Jedi Knight, but the thing that he cannot overcome is this need for acceptance and to prove himself. I thought that this fight was amazing and thematically what it does in terms of like the chess match. Because the entire fight, Obi-Wan is outclassed by Anakin. And Anakin's not even a Jedi Knight. And that shows you how powerful he is.

He's already like really, really pushing Obi-Wan. What I loved about this fight is that you realize even back then, Obi-Wan was like, this is someone who is so immature. He is so powerful, but he does not know how to harness this. And this is going to be a problem. And that's actually why I like this flashback, because the fight told you so much about Obi-Wan Anakin, and it shows you that, like, Mustafa, that fight wasn't luck.

Obi-Wan kind of always knew what he needed to do to defeat Anakin. And I thought that that was beautiful. Yeah, Obi-Wan got a little Batman in him. You know, I know these guys really powerful. I got to have a contingency a little prep, prep, prep, prep time. You know, I know, I got taught them a little bit. Because the whole time, Anikis, I got you, Master. I got you master.

Obi-Wan still teaches. Like, yo, little dude, how you relax, man? Relax. Relax. Relax. And then he just took the lightsaber from, by the way, a lot of lightsaber snatching out of people's hands. in this episode, right?

Which is something that I'm wondering why we haven't seen a lot more of on film. It feels like a violation. It feels like rude to do. Yeah, Reva was just getting, Reva just got clapped, man. It was like fucking Jake Paul versus Tyron Woodley, too.

Everybody was disappointed. Shout out to my man, Tyron. Everybody was disappointed, man. He was like, that's not what we wanted to see, you know? But no, I did enjoy that fight because number one, it was good to see the Republic again. Everything looks so bright and beautiful. We're back.

And then it was also good to see that their relationship was built on a brotherhood, but it was also built on this thing that exists now today. See, the brotherhood is gone, but the obsession from Anakin Skywalker to best Obi-Wan Kenobi remains. That to me is the, that's the thread from the end of Sith, where he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, He jumps because he's so powerful, right? I'm going to force jump over you and kill you, even though you have the high guard.

He just won't follow the rules. Skywalker never did. And there are rules unless, you know, you turn into a cyborg, Jedi hunting man machine. So I think all those things were in line with the character. And it was cool to see, you know. It was cool to see some of those guys in their relationship on live action after all of this time, too. even though, you know, he's old. I will say this, too, before we get into, like, the elephant in the room of this scene,

one thing I did like is that the contrast between Anakin's fighting style and Vader's fighting style, because there's so many wasted movements with Anakin. Like, he can't help, like, he's like Kyrie Irving. Like, he's just dribbling the ball. He's just too talented. And at a certain point, you're just kind of like, he's, like, showing off. Like, that's how talented he is. And, like, Vader, there's no wasted movements when he's fighting Reva.

It's literally just very minimal using the force. He doesn't even need a lightsaber. And it's so fun to see how, like, Vader at this point, probably because he's like half man, half machine, has to be so precise with the way he moves. He can't do all of the acrobatic shit like Anakin. And I thought that that was just like such a nice touch throughout the episode. There's no joy, right? Like there's, when he's Anakin, he's all happy, smiling, fighting. Hey, master, yes, you, y'i, what dole?

I beat you. But when he's Vader, it's all very dark and driven by obsession and all of that. He's really just trying to dominate, intimidate, and scare his opponent. So he's got to be more utilitarian about it. It's like German soccer. I mean, it's not pretty, but we're just trying to show you that we're better than you. You know what I mean? It's like, that's very, there's nothing beautiful about it.

But God damn, if they're not good. It's kind of like that's who Darth Vader is. But can we also say that, do we think that Lucasfilm, blew their their CGI face budget on Luke Skywalker and Book of Boba Fett and like just didn't have enough

in the accounting budget for Hayden. Like it was, like it was rough. I don't know if they were they were. I don't think they were. I don't think they were.

This feels mean. I don't think they were. I don't think they did. Because, I mean, you look at, you look at Ewan, and I don't think they had to do, they just had to dye his beard a little bit,

put some extensions in the hair, and it was chill. No, the wig, the extensions, whatever we're looking. Like, do you have any black hair stylist on this, on this show? Because like the wig, it was bad. What the fuck? They obviously have to. What are you talking about?

They got a sister with box braids on the show. She definitely, she definitely didn't touch Ewan's or Hayden's hair because it was wrong. And their faces, the wrinkles. I'm just like, guys, what, like, what? That didn't bother me too much, honestly. It's just, hey, they're here. It was funny because Anakin does it like a 40-year-old. Padawan.

Like that is kind of funny. But I do not ruin it for me. I was like, I just love seeing those guys back on screen again. Like the first time since Revenge of the Sith. It didn't really matter. It was cool, man. It was cool. I'm 32 years old.

If you put me next to you and McGregor, I'll look 50. All right. Like, it's just like you can't, you can't just stand right next to the guy. It's tough. Steve, you look, you look 12. This episode is brought to you by Sweet Green. The date doesn't ask for permission. Lunch window?

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Obi-Wan wants to protect the remaining people of the way. The path. to help them escape as Vader slash third sister quickly strikes. How did you guys enjoy the pacing of these moments between the siege and understanding where Obi-Wan was? There was some layer heroics there. She gave Lola a pass. Lola wasn't made to answer for her crimes at all.

I mean, Lola. Wait, can we also be honest if I'm, like, once again, guys, I thought this episode was phenomenal. Lola almost got a whole bunch of people killed and it was like, oh, take the thing off. Hi, Lola. To be fair, do we, like, I don't think Leah knows that Lola did that. Well, she knows that, she knows that there was a tracker on Lola, and there was something on Lola making Lola attack her.

You know, I can love things, but I can still nipick a little bit. I got to pick some nits with a dog. They're doing too much with Lola. They're making every single episode be like, she was always this hero. So the minute she's just like, get me a ladder. And Obi-Wonkinobi's like, get the girl a ladder. I trust her.

I'm like, all right, guys. Like, can we please stop? It's when they said, it's when they said, oh, no, the vents are too small. And I was like, God damn, oh, come on. It's layer time. It's lay a time. Look, she's special. She's got the force.

You guys are chauvinists. When, when, I'm sorry with you. When a 17-year-old farm boy became the deadest shots of dead shots in one movie, when he was, you guys. said nothing. She's a 10-year-old girl. She crawled through the vents. Get over it.

All right. Get over it. Jomey. I said, I've been quieted this whole time. And my thoughts are it was cool. Like, as soon as they said, as soon as they said, well, I can't fit in the thing. I was like, all right, we're giving Lay and something to do. All right, for show.

Let's get it done. But also, like, Leah's, like, in there, like, there's no, they don't, the show doesn't tell us, like, oh, like, Leah's really good with electronics, like, Luke, because she fixes all these things. It's just, like, Lay gets in there. She's like an electrician. She's been in the union for 25 years. She's just like, oh, yeah, you unplug this thing.

I was like, how does this little toddler know how to fix this door? Did she get the job done? She did get the job done. You know what I did love. I love Tala. Tala. Tala's character is one of the best characters on this show. Clearly understood her motivation.

Clearly understood why she was, the way that she was, brilliantly acted. It just, I thought, and the fact that she sacrificed herself in this episode made complete and total sense.

I would say, as far as that character in this show, 12 out of 10. Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic. Actually moving and very, very unsettling when she passed away. It was tough. Like it felt like the stakes were high.

It felt like it was something that the show lost something. Nailed it with that character. What did you guys? Also, Ned B. Ned B putting his body over her trying to protect her at the end was, it was rough. I was hoping that B wasn't going to get killed, bro. Let me be honest with you. Like I'm looking at Nett B.

I'm like, Ned B is out there. First of all, Ned B was a gangster, bro. Bang, bang, bang. And I'm like, please don't kill Nett B. But then I'm thinking they're going to kill Nett B, man. Oh, he was. I thought they were trying to, like, you know, fake us out with Tala and be like, oh, NEPB actually is going to protect her so she can get out.

Nebby's going to die. But then she had the grenade in her hand. I was like, ah, I've seen this movie before. A little like Rogue One, a little Rogue One-ish when Tala sets off the ball. I was just like, oh, yeah, they're out of here. But also, one thing we skipped over that I thought, like, storywise was so interesting to me is when Obi-Wan Kenobi goes to the wall where everybody writes on and he sees. all of the lightsabers left over, and he sees all of the Jedi robes just, like, abandon.

And, like, metaphorically and symbolically, I think that's such a powerful scene because, like, these are relics of a more civilized days. These are relics of, like, a time that is no longer there anymore. And you have to think about how many Jedi, once they go down the path, they leave that behind. And how sad that is, that, like, how many Jedi, who even, escaped at this point now are just like it's not even worth it. And it kind of gives credence to like, why weren't there any Jedi during a new hope

to return of the Jedi? It's because a bunch of them were just like, what's even the point of fighting anymore, which I found fascinating. Yeah, it was very fascinating. I tell you what, I ordered a lightsaber from Sabre Forge. $700, okay? And I'll be honest with you guys, I'm not giving up the lightsaber for fucking nobody. All right.

no one waiting with bated breath to the lightsaber gets here all right and the reality is i saw all of those lightsabers and i'm like man tuck it in your belt dog put it in your in your pants leg put it in your shoe i didn't spend all of this time going to find a chiber crystal i'm not giving mine up you know if you find it you're going to have to get this work cut your face off what kind of what kind of lightsaber did you get is it double hilted what is it what's your color what's your whole thing yeah i've already my lightsaber, by the way. All right, what's the name? Elegance.

Okay. What is it called? Elegance. Oh, yeah. I got the exalted MK2 black Cover Tech belt. Sabre bag. I got a bag for it. I got a metal blade

plug. I got Sabre electronics, Hero Plus Pixel X-1. I got the one. I got a lot of different colors. I haven't decided whether or not I'm Sith Jedi. yet. Because you guys remember how dejected I was that night at Disneyland that I couldn't go build my own lightsaber. Guys, it was, it was tough. It was tough. It was like, it was like watching a little

kid who like goes up to the ice cream truck and like finds out they don't have any money in their pocket. It was just like sad. Like van was just like, oh my gosh, I can't get my lightsaber. It was great that we all had moments where we turned into kids that night. You running to the Millennium Falcon, I'll never forget. Oh, loved it. It was magical. It was almost like Charles was disappointed, he was like, guys, I got to go back, guys. Oh, no, that was, that was, um,

that was rise of resistance. That was rise of resistance. Okay. Back to the story. Third sister, let's talk about it now. Her origin and fighting Vader. We finally found out who she was,

the youngling that survived Order 66. Everybody kind of had already sussed that out. You guys, was that scene played out effectively for you guys? I'll start with Charles, but then I want to hear Jemmy because Jomey really loved it. Oh, I think the, the problems with the,

third sister. Like, I think that this talk with Obi-Wan was nice in terms of Riva really is the only character we've seen actually in live action to say the loud part, you know, out loud, saying, hey, Obi-Wan, we were waiting for you. This guy was your Padawan. This is, this is, why didn't you stop him? This is your problem. And we all suffered. And emotionally, I love that because there's this acting thing that McGregor does where when Riva's asking like, where were you? Like he twinges because he knows.

And this is the first time someone out loud is saying like, you failed us. You failed the younglings. You failed the Republic. So I liked it from a drama standpoint. But this whole season I've been talking about moments where I'm like, hey, you know what's cooler than just saying Quinnlin Voss's name? Quinlan Voss actually being in the show.

You know what's cooler than seeing Sanoubae in the tomb? actually having Jedi's we give a fuck about in the tomb. And this, I'm like, I actually want to see what life was like for Riva. I want to see what life was like for a young Riva, as a youngling, having to survive, only knowing a little bit of the force, because then I care about this reveal way more,

but her just being like, yeah, I was found in the gutter. I'm just like, well, show me, like, show me the gutter. Don't keep telling me that everybody found you in the gutter, will visually demonstrate it to me because then I will care more. about you as a character and we'll understand why you're so angry. And because we didn't get that level of backstory, the scene was dramatically well played by both actors.

But I was just kind of like, ah, wop, who cares? So here's my thing, right? She is upset at Obi-Wan because, well, first of all, Obi-Wan was handling General Grievous at that time. He was off-world, so that's where he was at. It's like, give him some, give him a cut. This was like, this was like the 30th duel with General Grevis. At a certain point, Obi-Wan and Knobe needs to know how to handle business.

Like, for real. Hey, he figured it out. He figured it out. But no, so she's upset with Obi-Wan because he allowed Anakin to, you know, go nuts and kill all her friends as younglings. And I think it, I think there, like I said earlier, the thread works. But the tweak I would have made. and I think it all puts all the pieces together is that she doesn't know that Anakin is Darth Vader.

All she knows is that Obi-Wan should have been there to protect the young ones. Like he's the goat Jedi. Wick, where were you when all my homies were dying? That's why she wants him so bad, right? And she's doing all this to please Vader, da-da-da. And then they get to the door. And he's like,

man, Anakin, that's my, or Darth Vader, that was my old Badawan, that's my homie. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry.

She's like, oh, snap, for real. So all this time I've been mad at you when I could have been mad at Vader, and then the switch

happens and then, you know, she gets God, you know, at the end fight. I thought that she always knew. Well, yeah, she always knew.

I'm saying like, if they hit it, if Obi-Wan tells her at the door, right? And then, like, now we're like sitting around

with, with their sister like, oh, like her worldview gets flipped, right? So she's like, okay, I've been mad at Obi-Wan this whole time when the dude who actually did the murdering, I've been by his side. Like, I've been trying to get with him this whole time, right? Okay. Now I have another place to point my anger, right? So whereas in this episode, we find out that, oh, she's always wanted to get Vader.

Like, it would be cool if we, along with her, also like make the turn and be like, oh, Obi-Wan really not the person I'm trying to get at it's Vader The fact that her knowledge of Anakin being Vader is buried in a long game play to eventually kill him is very not smart. It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah. If she had only known that just then, which would actually make quite a bit of sense. No, but not that many people know that Vader is Anakin Skywalker. I think, yeah, I think the threat is there. Like, I understand what they're trying to do. But if she makes the turn, like,

in that moment versus like now we look back at her hauler actions. We're like, oh, that's kind of weird. If like all you want to do was get evader, like, why are you doing this wallah? But if she makes that decision in that moment at the door, then we're like, okay, she's always been a little unhinged. But now we can understand like, oh, she just wanted like to kill the person who killed all our friends at the, you know, at the, in Corrassant. And so I'd be like, okay.

It makes sense that she has a vendetta against Obi-Wan, obviously because Obi-Wan wasn't there. So, because people would say, hey, why don't I just go to Obi-Wan and say, hey, Vader's alive, help me take him down, but she's mad at Obi-Wan too. So she wants to kill Obi-Wan as well,

or she doesn't care what happens to Obi-Wan because she feels like the Jedi abandoned her. To be honest with you, that even doesn't make any sense. Because like you said, it was wartime. And so being that it was wartime, they were, at this particular point,

the Jedi were putting Paduan's into combat more readily and sooner because they needed to replace the Jedi who had been killed just fighting in the war. So it wouldn't have made sense, I guess unless she's completely irrational, it wouldn't have made sense that she blamed

any specific Jedi for not being there to protect because there were Jedi there to protect. But let's be real, let me push back really quick. Let's push back. But think about it. And here's the thing. I'm going to try to say this as respectfully as possible because I think with everything going on in the world,

this scene was a little bit difficult. But that scene of Riva being like, I had to hide under my dead friend's bodies and I saw their bodies become cold, I have to believe that there was illusions to, that's allusions to like mass shootings. Like, at least that's how it played out. And Riva's anger towards Obi-Wan

is really somebody's anger of like for a parent for someone who is a mass shooter being like how did you not know how could you not stop him you were supposed like that's the anger even if it's not well she said that she said he was your paduan yeah and but i think where that falls apart story wise and emotionally is he's like what does riva actually care about if riva saw all of these children

get massacred why would she then join up with vader and watch him willingly snap kids next. All these kids and be killing people and doing shit like it's nuts. That's, there is no connection where it's like Riva actually. And like the show tries to do it where Obi-Wan uses the fact that there's family and children

to say like, hey, can you please like stop Vader? Like this is what you've always wanted. But I'm like, hey, kids have already been killed already on the path. You've helped with this. You've helped kill fourth sensitive children. why would you do that if literally you are mad at Anakin for doing the exact same thing? And you know that he's Darth Vader

and you know exactly who's responsible for it. Right. So it's just weird. By the way, where did she think Obi-Wan was? Obi-Wan says, hey, we can take Vader down together. She'd think Obi-Wan was behind her or like ahead of him or something like that? Because she goes in there, Obi-Wan was on the ship, baby.

The whole time I was questioning, I was just like, I was like, is Obi-Wan really going to, like, leave this? Leave this woman to... I knew. I knew he was capped. But she was, she was doing her for sure. Because there's a thing. She said, Obi-Wan, where were you?

Back in the past. And literally, she's looking around like, Obi-Wan, where are you? Like, so twice, Obi-Wan's been like, fuck off, deal with Anakin. I really wanted her to just, like, be talking and, like, saying that whole story about her origin. And then, Obi-Wan to just be gone from the door.

And like nobody's listening. All we want to say, fuck them kids. Like, he really don't get a fuck about those younglings, bro. Also, this is why actually I'm just like, Van, like, how can you not love parts of this episode when, when Darth Vader's walking down and just reaches out in arm and stops an entire ship, crashes you? And, like, literally just flings the doors open.

I was like, this is wild. And this is what I've been waiting for. Like, how can your inner child not be like, yo, this is nuts? It was crazy. I was actually scared. I'm going to be honest with you. It was scary. It was scary.

It was like, I'm like, damn, they aren't going to get away. He's about to murder all of these people that are on the thing. And then, of course, there was a shit behind. Quarter flip. Come on. Quarter flip. Quarter flip. Here's the thing.

Vader, the sheer amount of power and adeptness. you would have to have in the force to land a fucking plane. I would assume even a percentage of that could be like, A, like, I don't sense any living beings. I don't sense Obi-Wonkinobi on that fucking plane. Or see another ship. Or see another ship. Like, I'm just like, I'm like, yo, Vader.

Like, come on, bro. Like, what are we doing here? That's some real, like, Verizon Skywalker stuff or, like, Chewbacca's on the next ship. Like, come on. He might have saw the other ship, but now the sensing the people inside of the ship is an interesting thing.

thing, but I wonder sometimes if there are light side, dark side force differences there. Because, you know, when Alderon was destroyed, Canobi goes, I just, I felt that. You know, like, I felt a bunch of voices in this voice cry up and then get extinguished all at once. I'm like, oh, he felt all those people die. I'm wondering if you're a dark side or if you have that connection to, like, the living force, if you feel that same thing, number one. Number two, well, I'm not saying you don't, I'm just wondering. Number two, he probably saw the other ship,

but he was probably focused on the ship that was actually taking off. So he goes, they must be on that ship. They must have known that he would be able to destroy that ship and bring it out of midair. Well, Obi-Wan at least did, because Obi-Wan knows how he fights.

That's exactly what I'm saying. That's why I'm not, like, the second ship, like, just not being there in the shot. Like, all right, y'all could have that. But him not seeing the second ship and just going for the first one is something that Obi-Wan knows, like this is what his anger is going to blind him.

He sees that ship. That's the way he's going to take down. We're just going to give us enough time to get up to speed and get out of here before he can get to us. So we're going to be straight. I love the beauty of connecting the fight and Obi-Wan knowing that

when Obi-Wan says the line, like, hey, you, the thing that holds you back is your need to prove yourself to people. Of course, that's beautiful with the whole shit metaphor and everything. What I'm saying is, in previous episodes,

Vader could sense Obi-Wan from planets and planets and light years away. He literally, at the end of this episode is like, yeah, I knew you were. I knew you were the youngling. I knew you were the young. I knew this was going to happen.

Like, if you have both of those powers, if you have that much sensitivity with the force, you telling me you can't sense what shit fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi-N is in? He's a couple fucking feet away from you, bro. That is true. Obi-Wan is in the ship. Again, he was hot.

He was blinded. He was too hot. He was too hot. Yeah, but they used that whole blinded by anger shit. Very, very, like, they don't use it consistently at all. You know who's not blind? The Grand Inquisitor, he could see just fine because he's alive. Chill.

Fresh is a daisy. Like, totally fine. Looks good, too. Looks great. Like, looks good, too. We all knew he wasn't dead because he's in the Rebels. I can't let you guys skip the fact that, like, dog, the fight between Darth Vader and Rebo was so. We have it.

haven't skipped anything. Oh, I'm just saying because the Grand Inquisitor comes after. It does. We'll get to. We'll get to. We'll get to. We'll get to the fight. I just want to make, I just want to mention the Grand Inquisitor real quick. And this is one question I have. Do we care? No. Okay. Well, as a Rebels fan, I was starting to wonder because she makes, because Darth Vader makes Riva the Grand Inquisitor. And I was like, wait, well, hold on. You look a little different from when I saw you. on rebels.

You're not the same. What happened to our boy? You know? So when he comes back, like, I figure like, you know, at first I'm like, man, what's it? Where is this other timeline?

But then he comes back. I'm like, ah, there it is. A man's good. He's about to get cooked by Ezra and Canaan in a couple years, but he's alive. All right, for sure. But here's the thing.

For people who have not watched rebels, like I feel like there are a lot of people watching Obi-Wan Kenobi who don't know who the fuck the Inquisitors are. They just don't. These are people who probably only watch the mainline movies. has this show done enough for us to even know or care about the Inquisitor's entire deal?

Because when the Grand Inquisitor comes back, I'm like, what am I supposed to feel? Like, emotionally, he hasn't done shit at this entire series. What, like, why do I care? Both emotionally and physically. I put you like this. This show has done enough to where you can understand who the Grand Inquisitors are, right? But as with other things, if you haven't watched, the accompanying television shows,

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It was a hate crime. Insane that she thought that she could win that. I wonder. I wonder about things like that. I wonder in shows like this, right? I wonder, did she think she could win or was this a situation to where fuck it this is my shot, just got to take it?

Because I wonder, specifically in Star Wars, like they never hesitate to fight. Jedi's show absolutely zero fear. Went back and I'm watching Phantom Menace, like at that point, Obi-Wan is a Paduan. I know he has a master with him, but there was absolutely zero hesitation

after Quigon got killed. They don't ever go, can I do this? And so, And so I'm looking at her. She got fucked up worse than any fighter force user I've ever seen. Maybe except for Moll at the end of rebels who died in three moves.

That's the thing, though. She's clearly fine at the end of this. But here's the thing. I will say, she's standing back up. Think about it. Last episode, Darth Vader walked into the room and like force choked her.

as high as a skyscraper, just for failing him once. I think at that point, there's also a thing with Reva where it's not really courage that she thinks she could take on Vader. It's like, you let Obi-Wan Kenobi escape. He's not giving you a second chance after this.

So you just got it. You just got it. Like, you're getting killed either way. He kind of did, though. Because he stabbed her. They looked at her and he had the opportunity to cut all the arms and legs off, cut her head off, and end her right there.

But she's alive at the end of this episode. did Reva's, after everything that happened, she got a lightsaber taken. The first part of the fight, he didn't even have enough respect for this lady to use his lightsaber. I mean, he never does. He never did.

He took hers from her. By the way, that was clean. Dog, oh my God. Dog, when he, like, so he takes a saber, he throws it to her, right? He's like, all right, take this half. He turns it off and throws it in the dirt. Like, let's go.

Like, pick that shit up. He chucks his, takes hers, and joink grabs his back. And you're like, bro, what are you doing here, Reva? Like, you outclassed, outmatched, outnumber, go home. This ain't it for you. The next show, they can't miss. Vader's stories. Vader fuck shit up.

Just, hey, I'll tell you about the time. I took a part. An Imperial Star Destroyer just for fun. We watch. get Zoom calls from the emperor on Mustafa, be like, hey, could you go kill this thing? Right, right, I'll be right back. You know, like I'm telling you, just Vader fucking shit up.

So I have this question, hypothetical. How cool would have, like, how good do you think Anakin would have been as a Jedi master if he never becomes Darth Vader? Do you think his peak is higher as a Jedi master who didn't go evil than

this version of Darth Vader? I don't know. I don't know if it's possible. I think it's like an Icarus thing. Like his ambition is the thing that defines him. Therefore, like that amount of power given to him will only corrupt him. See, it depends, right? So, number one, does Anakin have, would Anakin have been like the Jedi Grandmaster? Probably not because he wasn't wise at all.

As a matter of fact, I make the argument that Anakin Skywalker is stupid. Okay? He's a dumb jock. Fair point. I make the argument that he's stupid. raw power though if he because okay

let's play it out so for Anakin to not have turned to the dark side what would have had to have happened Padame is alive they have the twins or

or I think something else has to have happened that's actually more important Palpatine doesn't get to him his mom no I think Quigon has to live I think

I personally think that Pat May is like You know, I think if Quigon lives, then Quigon would be the thing that would be able to steer an... Ignoring the whole council being like, don't take this kid in the first place. But also think about it. If Quigon lives, I think the Jedi order starts to change, especially because he has someone as powerful as Anakin. Because Quigon's whole deal in that first in Phantom Menace is that the order is kind of afraid of him

because he does not agree with a lot of the ways that they are going about. making decisions. So I actually think if Quigon lives, Anakin does not have so much hatred for the Jedi order because they're not as emotional. Absolutely. If Quigong lives, the Jedi,

Quigong might have not fought in the Clone Wars. Like, Quigong was a student of the living force. So his entire thing was the will of the force. And that's why he believed in the prophecy, because he was saying that the force is willing this. and Obi-Wan had to come around to that and Obi-Wan was a lot more he was a lot more

inculcated into what the Jedi would do right so I think that if if Quigon Gen survives right and he trains Skywalker I think Skywalker

becomes a version of a powerful Jedi that unless you read legends that the galaxy had never seen before I think he's more powerful than Yoda I think he's more powerful than Mace Windle. You could argue that Vader is more powerful than both of those guys. I'm not sure. But I think that he becomes something like what he was only a Jedi,

but perhaps maybe a gray Jedi. Or like, you know, perhaps maybe someone who doesn't really quite believe in the Jedi as a force user, his dad is the force. That's his pops. You know what I mean? No, I really like that. You know, for me it was always like, I thought, Vader, his anger and his, you know, just being like the baddest small beds, that's what made

him so powerful. It was like, I'm upset. I got my arms and legs cut off. I'm hot. I'm going to mess stuff up. You know, that's really what I thought the power was, but that you raise an interesting point, you know, like, maybe it's not all about the anger and the, you know, his general upsetness. It is. It is.

The dark side gives you powers that no Jedi could ever urge you. Not like a Jedi. Not from a Jedi. Wait, so, wait, can I, can I pitch you guys on this as well? Think about it. If Quigon's alive, I don't even know if the Clone Wars happen. And I think the other thing that is really what I enjoy about Clone Wars is, Anakin's a wartime Jedi.

Where before this, the Jedi are just peacekeepers. They're wandering samurai with this religion. The Clone Wars forced them to constantly be in, battle, constantly being seeing gore. And even when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting in this episode, you see Anakin's anger at this coming war

of being like, yo, I can't have mercy. Mercy will not win me battles. So I'm starting to think that also the Clone Wars is what turns him into Vader. If there's no war, does Anakin ever get that violent? Could be. Look at all this nerd shit we're doing

right now. We're talking about what is Cli-on-Jin? But that's a mark of a good episode, not a perfect episode, but an episode that you're like, there's enough interesting ideas in this that, like, I'm very happy that I got to watch it. Even if, like, I do agree with you, then, there's character shit that does not make any

sense, but also I'm at a point with Star Wars, if I'm going to be real, where I'm just like, just give me the lightsaber fights. Like, I don't care. Can I be honest with you? Can't be honest with you. I think talking about this episode has made me enjoy it a lot more. I'm going to be honest with it. It's not like I didn't. It's not like I didn't like it. It's just

some things, but now I'm sitting down here talking with my boys and I think I think I'm going to watch that bitch again. Watch it again like third sister. Third sister you ain't my third sister. She's doing great.

Hey, don't. Hey guys, we're talking about characters here. We love Moses Ingram. We support Moses. We're talking about the fact that you know, third sister watch some kids die so she could get to her things. While we're talking about the third sister,

do you think Anakin had a little pent up and sell like mega aggression to Mace Windu that he takes out on the third sister? He's like, I've been waiting to take this out. On your kind. Come on. It's racism in the galaxy like that?

I think Anakin was a little bit of a mega bro during that fight. Like, come on, bro. Like, come on. He did have a... I'm going to be honest with you. He did have a tenuous relationship with Mace Window.

Mace Window did not fuck with Anakin. Like, Mace Window was actually kind of like, yo, like, I don't really fuck with you or the way you go about shit and you're going to mess everything up. What's what else with you? Darth Vader treats black people poorly. Treated Lando-Cowlerzian poorly.

I would argue that Darth Vader treats everyone poorly. Nah. So, no, it's certain white people that he fucks with. We know who they are. He didn't do all that shit to Obi-Wan. He, like, he didn't do all that shit to Obie Watt.

Like, come on. He was his guy. We know that he fucks with certain white people. We know that he fucks with zero black people, right? Him and Mason Windu didn't get along. Mace Wendezer didn't get along. He looked down straight up and said, I don't trust you. May he'll end up.

May he looked bad. Chewy almost choke Lando out. You know what I mean? So we looked at it. Look how he treated Reeva. He's three for three. It's three niggas in the galaxy. and he treated all of it.

My gosh, man. The math is madden. And he treated all of them. We should be lucky he didn't get his hands on ice cubes, little boy. Do you know what I'm saying? We should be lucky. Wait, can I be real, man?

And we're going to be real. I think racism might be, you know, a genetic shared trait with the Skywalker's because, you know, old Ben Solo, he like, he, in the Force Awakens, when he takes a lightsaber, to Finn's back. I'm like,

whoa, geez, he took the lightsaber to his back and sent him to the back to tank is what he did. You know, Kylo Ren, Kyle O'Rinn looked like a proud boy.

You know what I'm saying? Anyway. That, you know, that you're not wrong there. Yeah, that's, yeah,

yeah, I see it. But, you know, we think about people who Vela got along with, grandmuff talking, they was cool.

The emperor, they was cool. You know, I was like, ooh, I didn't see, I didn't see any grandmoth, Leuroy Jenkins,

that he was By the way Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Wasn't Vader cool with What's his name From rebels the blue dude Throne? Thrawn Thrawn he was cool with Thrawn

That's cool with Throne He's blue Throne is not Throne's blue man Throne is I guess that kind of counts That's not We're not doing this

All Lives Matter shit John Tonda You like he's blue though Like also If we want to put someone In the black in the black corner Like Asoka You know what I'm saying

in rebels, Vader was trying to take us a dog off. Hey, we know about you, Vader. We see how you treat black. We see how you treat black women. That tangent

went on too long. I love it. Okay, so we're going back to Tatui. We're going back to Tatooey. We're going back to Tatooey. Is that it for Vader? Do we think we're going to see Vader again in the show? Oh, no.

Vader needs to fight Obi-Wark. Like, it's, Come on. Come on. I don't understand where they think we're going to land with this because them fighting on Tatooine is like insanely canon breaking. Oh, I don't think Vader's going to be on Tatooine. I thought Riva was going to be. Oh, sure.

But like if one goes, the other should follow because like assuming that they, like, if Riva has to know where Luke is, like, there's no way that Obi-Wan's not going to find out about that. Well, remember, he was like, sensed or something. He was in there like. Yeah, he was in there. It's like something's wrong. He says that somebody was looking at Luke. Yeah.

Yeah, but here's the thing. We just saw Riva get her ass handed to her. Why the fuck would I care about Ariva and Obi-Wan fight now? I mean, she gonna get packed up. Like, we know what it is. Like, come on. Like, I want to see Vader and Obi-Wan. At this point, you haven't even, at least Obi-Wan's one against Anakin

multiple times. Like, he got the numbers. Like, he's washed. But at least I'm just like, hey, like, you're going to put up a good showing. What the fuck? is Reva gonna do? Well, put Reva on the level of who? Can Reva beat Asoka?

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Because she be Moll? No, I respect Asoka. Could she be Maul? Nah, dog. Maul killed Quigar. Yeah. Maul was a son of a bitch. I know Maul went up against some Jedi that were better than him.

Maul was a son of a bitch, bro. Who could Riva be? Could she be Canaan? Nah. Which version of Canaan? Blind Canaan. No. Nah, probably not.

Could she be Ezra? Yeah. Full informed Ezra. Early. The fully formed Ezra, no. Early Ezra. Yeah. Season 1 and 2 Ezra, yeah.

Season 3 and 2 Ezra. Yeah. But here's the thing, though. Season 1 and 2, Ezra was giving the Grand Inquisitor work. That's what I'm saying. Grand Inquisitor might not be able to fight, though. He can just live. That's all his thing is.

Did she give the Grand Inchisal the work, or did the Grand Inquisitor let her stab him? Because he's got two stomachs. And he knew he was going to be straight. And it was part of whatever toying with her that Vader was doing. I can't, I don't even know that. Now, that's how you actually do a long game. No, but I thought that there was,

the guy who played the Grand Inquisitor was saying potentially that there's more of him. Like, maybe this is a clone situation. I think more of men, more stomachs. Oh, more stomachs. Never mind, then. That's dumb. Does she be?

Who could she be? Gungi or Bill? Gungi's getting packed. up. All right. That is it for episode five. Before we go, there's one episode left. I just need a yes or no.

Based upon what we've seen right now, started with Steve, working our way down to Code Baby Chuck. Will they stick to landing, Steve? Yes. Jomey. Yes. Charles. Hell no.

After all of that. I like this episode around. brought it back. Back to the old me. If I walk away, because I walked away from this episode being like,

that was a clean episode of TV, but I was like, this should have been a movie. Like, this just should have been a movie. So even, no matter what they do

in the last episode, I highly doubt that will not be in the back of my mind of being like, did we really need six episodes of this? Or could have this just have been one, like one really,

really tight, dope movie? Yeah, I would agree. Van, what about you? Well, I've made a pledge

that you, guys all just broke. So I was testing you. You made us break it. I was testing you. I don't know and I don't care because this is the summer of no expectations. You guys, I held your feet to the fire and all of you had an expectation. Jomey, I'm surprised at you. I'm surprised at you, Jomey. You're my you know, Jomey and Steve, in addition, you guys are my no expectation brothers. You're my no expectation soulmates. Charles didn't really on there. Charles didn't really on for the no expectation situation. All right, whoa, whoa, here's the thing.

People was like, Charles, why don't you have a Black Adam take? So I realized that, like, I can't bitch out anymore. I have to have expectations. I, like, I let people down when I don't give out the takes. That's fine.

I have no expectations for Black Adam. Doesn't matter who comes out. Palpatine could show up. I'm going to be like, cool. Somehow. He got there. Now we need Palpatine showing up in everything.

Help every movie. I need Palpatine and Love and Thunder. All of a sudden, Thor shows up on Ex-A-Gle, and it just goes, palp-p-every movie. Palpap it up. Right? You guys don't know this. I need Palpatine and nope.

Papatine and everything. I talked to Taco Wattini last week, and he said the first God that Gore kills in Thor, Love and Thunder is Palpatine. Palpatine. And he says he is not your savior. He's not your savior. Palpatine, palpeteen, palp every movie.

If you can show up in the Rise of Skywalker, You can show up anywhere. Palp every movie. Palp it up. We need Pops in Mando season three. Pelp, bring him in there. Hey, you guys hit us up right now with the movie you would like to see pout.

Palpette. Hashtag palp every movie. Palpap every movie. I will never forgive in all respect to him, JJ Abrams, for having when I was sitting down in The Rise of Skywalker, I was having this thought. I was like,

Palpatine was out here getting busy? Like, he was like, like, that's so wild. Like, Palpatine was in these streets. You know what I'm saying? Disgusting. Like he had a side family.

Palpatine, can I get that good dick? Not from a Jedi. Oh, okay. Yo! Eo! No. That's foul.

Not from a Jedi. You gotta stop. That's what he was saying. Stop. Palpatine, can I get that? Can I get it? Not from a Jedi. Which of course he was.

Not from a Jedi. Ew. Not from a Jedi. Oh, my God. Nerd news made it give it. You know what? Tell me. Go ahead, bro.

Oh, okay, so I'm going to try and contain my excitement for this, but we got some news this week that's, on Monday, afternoon, in fact, that the Joker 2 is casting Lady Gaga. Now, that's cool. Right, Lady Gaga? Slight addendum. She's in talks. She's in talks. Sorry. Let me be accurate.

Let me be accurate. She's in talks to be in Joker 2. That's interesting. Okay, Lady Gaga, you know, accomplished singer, you know, actress, extraordinary. But the thing we should really not forget is that she is, she is going, she wants, they're trying to cast her because they're going to try and make. I can't say with her. I'm sorry, bro. They try to make Joker 2.

I don't care what you are. Y'all some haters. I'm sorry. Jopi Tudu is going to be a musical. Rumors to have Lady Gaga in it as Harley Quinn. Man, Todd Phillips got to stay off the weed. Like, you, you, you. Fucking haters.

Fucking haters. I'm with you, Charles. Do you understand my joy, the joy, how much havoc? the Joker has reaped society as a whole and there's so many fans who are like yo we get in a Joker 2 we get a Joker 2

and now all those insults have to be like have to sit through a movie now that's a musical with Lady Gaga come on this is the greatest this is the greatest that's actually why I also love this choice because both of this two fans

fans of the Joker and fans of Lady Gaga and musicals to me those are just separate circles there are no there's no there's no Venn diagram there the idea that both fans Fans of the Joker and fans of Lady Gaga hate this idea. I need this to happen now. Need it.

I need this to happen now. Because it's probably going to be terrible. Can you imagine Lady Gaga going to what? How's it going to put it? Who wants this? I'm dejected. No, there's like that James Cameron thing when he walked into the movie studio and like there's alien on the board and he puts a dollar sign.

Can you imagine Todd Phillips rolling up to Warner Brothers? and like there's a big pitch meeting and they're like all right you're going to agree to do Joker 2 and he's like yes and there's Joker 2 on the board and he's just like the musical and all of the exacts just start applauding they're just like he's a genius

let's fucking do it it's that mean with like all the businessmen with the eyes go wide yeah like think about this too like they hate Snyder and they're literally like you know what though you know it'll get the fans going a musical

they have to give us our culture back somebody remarked on Twitter that the artsy people who can't get their own crazy movies made anymore or saying, hey, I want to make this movie but I'm just going to put Nightcrawler in it. I want to make a romantic comedy and is Nightcrawler and, I don't know, Shadow Cat

or whoever, I don't know who he dated. I can't remember he did, who did he date? Who did Nightcrawler date? He dated somebody. It's like, it wasn't Shadowcat though. You date Mystique for a minute? I don't know. Did he date Mystique for it?

I thought that was his mom. He was his mom. He gets his mom. He was nasty. Steve watched too much game of Thrones. Whoa, Steve. Boo. But, and there,

look, I want artsy, high-brow interpretations of all of this stuff. I really do. I like, I think it's great. But sometimes prestige in this shit, it's not working. Let's get to the point

and let's give us the characters that we love. You know what we are? We're a bunch of babies. We've been watching this shit since we were kids. We don't need no musical with the lady Gaga. If it's good, I'll never admit that it's good. How about that? You would never admit that it was good?

I am purposely going to be done, protesting it. I'll never admit that it's good. It might be bustling. You know what one of my favorite movies of last decade is? La La Land? I don't care what y'all say. I loved that movie. I felt all kinds of emotions.

They were dancing around and it was fun. They were singing. You know, Ryan Goslin and Mostone loved it. It might be okay. I just think that, like, you know, just go ahead. Make the Blade movie. Myershala is like 50. Like, just like, like, give us what we're, you know what I'm saying?

All right, let me push back. Because I'm always the negative Nancy who's always like, man, why are they, why are all these directors making these movies when it's obviously they don't want to make these movies? They just want to make their prestige shit and like, yo, they have to make whatever Star Wars. film, whatever MCU film, if this is the world that we've created for ourselves at a certain point,

you can't just be mad because it's a musical. Like, because this happens with so many superhero movies. This happens with a bunch of them. It's just the Lady Gaga musical part that really pisses people off. And I'm like, can we have the same energy every single time these studios give us bullshit? Because we were just on Twitter being like, morbent time.

Like, come on. Like, is this going to be worse than Morbius? Probably not. There's no reason to bring up Morbius in this situation. Man, come on now. Stop. You're making me I say stop the cap twice. I like this agenda.

I like this agenda, there's no reason to bring up Morbius in this conversation because it's, mum, mum, mum, mum, morbent time.

All right. See, this shit, we got a deal with. See, here's the problem. Hey, nah,

I'm rocking with you, man. Don't listen and I'm rocking with you. Here's the thing, right? There are, there's a van diagram of Joker fans. And there's a van diagram of,

of musical fans. There's two, miracles, right? The people who like both, it's such an infinitesimal small amount of people. That's what makes it genius.

That's what makes this genius. That's why it's genius. I think this is a step towards world peace. This is a step that we need. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Y'all out here, like, they're giving us morbidious movies,

craving the hunter movies. At a certain point, like, dog. I didn't ask for those either. I didn't ask for that either. I didn't ask for bad bunny is the boo. I didn't ask. Not the Blue Beetle, but I didn't, I didn't ask, I didn't ask for that either. It's all part of it.

It's all part of it. It's all part of it. By the way, there's also a Venn diagram, just a circle of people who love Morbius, and that is the world. That makes sense. All right. The ticket sales did not bear that out. Yeah. And there were more memes than ticket sales on that film, you know.

But the reality is that a lot of people snuck in because us Morbius fans are, we don't listen to authority. So really... Can we wrap this up? Okay, let's be. We actually have to. All right. Look, we are split on Joker 2. Charles and Steve

love the idea of a musical Joker movie with Lady Gaga's Harley Quinn. Yes. Fantastic. Directed by Todd Phillips. Me and Jomey aren't feeling it, but you know what? I feel that way now. Maybe I'll be flexible in the future. Who knows? It might be good. It might be good.

I can promise you that I won't be flexible. this. Jomey says no. No. Also, that could count as an expectation for me. I shouldn't be doing it. All right. This Thursday, Joanna, will be joined by Stephen Jomey, in addition, to give you their

reactions on the second episode of Miss Marvel, which is delightful. On Friday, Joanna and Ma will be back, my, Joe Button podcast. On Friday, Joanna and Mal will be back to give you their deep dive on episode five of Obi-Wan Kenobi. I am very interested to hear that. And on Sunday, Min Edition, returns to give their thoughts on Light Year, which is a Buzz Light Year movie

starring Tim Allen as Buzz Light Year. That's not true. It's not true. And Tim Allen is coming back as Blood Light, Buzz Light Year. Not true. Unfortunately not. It's not what happened. Unfortunately not.

Are we a Tim Allen fan? Are we a fan of Coke-dealing mag of snitching? Snitching? Oh, Jesus. Wow. Wow, Steve. That's a wild take. Steve Tim Allen Allman over here.

Steve Tim Allen Allman. Steve Allen Allman. At least two weeks of that. Our producer credits. Our producers are Steve Allen Allman. Jomi, the Explaner, a dinner on. Hashtack Date Jomi, ladies. We got a lot of news coming up about Jomi's love life.

It's going to be fantastic. Excuse me? Summer of Jomey. What is? Summer of Jomi. Stop the podcast. Stop the podcast. Hot Jomi Summer.

What are we talking about? Jomi got his sushi daddy shorts. You guys, Chikabalaw. Where did you pull that from? Oh, my God. Jome is out here. Jomi out here, the nasty Nigerian, baby. He's doing this thing.

He got the five inch in-seem shorts. He's ready, girls. That is true. That is true. It's going to be thighs out also. out of thiburnation. Additional production from Arjuna Ramcapaal.

Thank you so much, Arjuna. Charles, Charles, Charles, take us out. There's one episode of Obi-Wan left. We will see y'all later. And boy, does it feel good to finally not be

the hater. She can probably beat like half of the people in that Clone Wars arena fight. Yeah, probably. You're talking about when the Jedi was slaughtered? Yeah, yeah. And they were going to put, I don't know if you guys remember this. You guys were too young.

They were going to put in sync in that. Excuse me? That's so funny. You guys have never heard this? No, please. Oh, my God. My Jesus Christ, old nerd time. Give me the sound.

Okay. Van is old. They were going to put in sync in there. How have I never? heard this. Oh my God. Somebody fact check this. They were going to put in sync

in that. And we were like, no. The fuck? Are you like they had somehow leaked out? They filmed scenes as Jedi Knights. Yeah.

The in sync cameo you never got to see in Star Wars to Clone Wars. They were going to put in sync in there. And we lost our shit. Like we were like shout out to InSync. Not hating on them at all.

They were straight. But like we lost our shit. Don't. I'm like, yo, don't do this. I don't know. Like they were. Could you imagine? Yeah.

Oh my God. This is incredible. Could you imagine if InSink were Jedi Knights? Wait, but here's the crazy part. Justin Timberlake and Lance Bass declined. Right. But J.C., Chris Kirkpatrick and Joey Fatone were on set. We're like, yeah, let's do it.

Nah. They had the garbs of the rose. Hey, man. I don't know, man. I would pay extra to see this. That's great. That's a special edition. They were going to put in sync in it.

It still might be on there somewhere. They might have it. There might be a version with them on there or whatever. But I remember. Doug, we released the in sync cut. That's what was me. Hashtag release the insink cut. Is rough.

Wait, what musician would you like to see in Star Wars? If you can make one musician a Jedi, which one would you put it? Pick. Jay Z? Jay Z. Nah. Have you seen Jay Z ride a bicycle or like dive into a pool? He don't got like the reflexes to be a Jedi.

I would love to see him. Third sister could definitely be Jay Z. Like third sister, I'd love to see Jay Z as a Jedi, man. He tries to cool his way out of every situation. It's like, what he means? Hover. Come on, Vader. When he force pushes, it's like this.

Yeah. Yeah. He acts like, he puts the rock up. Right. We talk about so on the House of Ar, but my eye was like, it's got to be Kendrick Lamar.

But he's just like an old Jedi prophet, you know what I'm saying? He just in the backspin bars. You know, he's like, Boba Fett can shoot a laser, but he is not your savior. Ain't just doing that the whole time. Very divisive Jedi.

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