The Ringer-Verse - 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' Episodes 1 and 2 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: May 27, 2022

The Midnight Boys return to a galaxy far far away to share their reactions to the first two episodes of 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' (4:00). They discuss the tone and pacing the show has adopted (14:00), the decision to feature Leia in a main role (21:00), and their thoughts on the Inquisitors (31:00). Plus, they speculate on where the show goes from here and what potential cameos may pop up (58:00). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Producer: Mike Wargon Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I stand by what I said. All right. Sunday, the House of R comes back again to deep dive into Stranger Things episodes, season four, episodes four through six. Okay. On today's show, wow. Whoa, guys.

we get to talk about old Ben Kenobi or what he was known as in a former life, Obi-Wan. This is a momentous occasion. We're going to give our reactions to the two-episode premiere of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and we're going to trim the fat right out of this podcast right now by getting to our spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about General Canobey. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. And it's a great episode to be spoiled. Sorry, I'm giving away my take. But before you get into it, we have to make sure that you guys know the need to know. Now, I'm interested about this because you've got to manifest now, but it's for two episodes. How do you do rock that? I'm keeping it tight. You're keeping it tight?

Keeping it tight. Like my butt. What? I've been working on my butt. I have. Like, I'm wearing shorts. I'm going to wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't understand.

We're doing this, like, in front of each other for the first time. And the look is silent. The stun, like, one Mississippi, two Mississippi. My gosh. I've been working too hard on my body. Not to, like, let everybody at Star Wars. Hey, yo. Just do the manifest, bro.

Do the manifest, man. Guys, this is the first midnight manifest for Obie. Juan Canobi, parts one and two, both episodes directed by Deborah Chow, part one and two, story by credits go to Stuart Beattie and Hosani Imani, part one teleplay credit goes to Jovey Harold, Aseni Omni and Stuart Betty, while the part two teleplay credit goes to Jovey Harold. And I'm going to do the plot for both episodes at the same time. So the story begins as most Star Wars stories do in 2022 with the beginnings of Order 66. We see Jedi Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, training younglings when clone troopers storm the lesson and start opening fire.

Veltie tries to get the younglings to safety but dies in the line of duty. A young black youngling that might be Riva watches and the younglings decide to escape. Ten years later, the Grand Inquisitor of the Fifth Brother and Riva are on Tatweene, searching for Jedi Nari at a canteena. Nari escapes, but we soon learn that Riva is most interested in hunting down Obi-Wan Kenobi. Meanwhile, Kenobi or now Ben, works harvesting meat in the Tatooine desert. He lives a hermit lifestyle in a cave, trying to learn. learn how to commune with his deceased master, Quiguan, and watching over a young Luke from afar.

Nari finds Obi-Wan and asks him for help, but the former Jedi advises him to bury his lightsaber in the desert and forget the Jedi order. On Alderon, Leah Organa is being mischievous and chafing against her responsibilities as a young princess. Young Leia is empathetic to droids, has very little patience for the Senate, and even shows a hint of force sensitivity when she sees right through her eric and cousin. Uncle Owen gets into an argument with Obi-Wan and tells him to stop leaving toys for Owen does not want Obi-Wan to train Luke, then the Inquisitors arrive in search of Jedi Nari. On Alderon, Leah is kidnapped by Vec-Nakru, and it's revealed that the plot is a way to smoke out Obi-Wan Kenobi, Baal Argonah asked Kenobi for help, and after seeing what the Inquisitors do to Nari

and hearing Bail's plea, Kenobi jumps into Axi. In the desert, Kenobi digs up two lightsavers, his own and Anakin. In the next episode, Canobi travels to the planet Diya in search of Leah, during the process he meets Hajai's Street, who was impersonating a Jedi. confronting Haja, he goes to a spice manufacturing lab, takes down the bounty hunters who kidnap Leah and escapes. Riva is hot on their trail and against the Grand Inquisitor's tells all the bounty hunters on the planet to search for Kanobe. There a series of event, Leia goes from being untrusting of Obi-Wan to finally believing that he's a real Jedi and then ultimately, Obi-Wan and Leia escape with the help of Haja,

but not before Riva kills or maybe not so much. The Grand Inquisitor we're trying to get in her way. Guys, that is our first Midnight Manifest for Obamon I'm not. Expertly done. There's a lot of stuff. Give me a pound there. Motherfucker. There's a lot of stuff there to cram into two episodes and to cram into one one. There's two episodes, shall I say to cram into one manifest. You did a great job. Okay, instant reactions. I'll start first because normally I kicked to someone else. But no. This was amazing. This was great. It's fucking awesome. This was a perfectly paste. perfectly page,

paste pitch perfect two episodes of television. Now, say this real quick. When the first episode begins, starts off with like all of this catch up, right? All of this stuff really takes you through the entire prequel trilogy.

What's up? That's interesting. We didn't get that. We didn't. At the screener. You didn't? We didn't get that. It was basically like a prequel sizzle reel.

Yeah. Let me tell you. They make that sizzle real. Sizzle. Like it made those first three movies look. Wait, so what I saw, you guys didn't, what are you talking about? We've seen it since. So I've seen it since, but the first time we watched it in the theater with, you know, Ewan and all the, you know, cast and sitting right next to us. Yeah, right now. I was right next

to you in, you know what I'm saying. He, you know, he choose to allow on popcorn, but that's besides the point. What a jerk. You know what I'm saying? They didn't show that Cizzeril. We just went right into it. Interesting. It's interesting. And for the, for the listeners who don't know, they, they showed a screening of Obi-Wan Canobi and me and Van were delinquents and our black asses decided not to go. We hung out by the pool and they got appetizers and watched the Warriors game. And Charles, me and Charles had a table full of appetizers and we watched the Warriors game. We had a blast. Van was trying to get our waitress to watch Chippendale.

Chippin Dale. The rest of you're like, well, you should watch it. Jesus. This is a great movie. It is. It is. A great movie. Okay, so when I first saw that, I was actually like, hmm, I wonder why they feel the need to plop us right back into this spot. I wonder what this means for the beginning of the show. And I don't know why, for no good reason, it made me a little nervous.

Like, it was great to go back there, but it made me a little nervous that maybe it was, I don't like normally when that happens a lot. We've seen all this. We know all of this. I was wondering why they felt like they needed to do it. But once again, this was my PTSD for maybe other things that have come out recently because the show starts and doesn't miss a beat from the moment that it is on. I would say the strongest two-episode premiere maybe that I've ever seen in family. I'm willing to go that far.

I'm trying to think of a two-episode premiere that is better. than this. This was really fantastic. Right. I mean, yes, no. Reasons bias aside, like it's pretty fucking incredible. As listeners out there, I know. I know y'all like to hit on me.

But, boy, was this crack on deck, boy. Yeah. They were stepping on the product for too long. Disney Plus was stepping on the product and I'm like, no, no, no, no, but in the worst, my man, Marlo, man, the price of a brick going up, my man, Obi-Won, Kenobi killed that shit. This is what I be, like, I'm going to get this gen off right now.

I'm glad that you don't have a chair because you're standing this entire pod and you're facing back and forth. This is very important. All right. I've been telling y'all for a minute with this decent plus shit, I'm just like, dog, like, it can be better.

Like, it can be better. The promise of what the Mandalorian was, promise of Loki, I'm like, dog, they can get to that next level. We just got to hold them accountable. After I watched those first two episodes of Obi-Wan Cano, I'm like, God damn, they did it.

It was movie quality. Like, I felt like I was, watching a movie. I didn't like pause that shit to like check my phone. Like I was in it. Let me tell you something. The creatives, I could, when I'm watching this, I could tell they were thinking, we got to do it for Charles. He challenged us to get to that next level. So we have to deliver. Okay, so we are four or four in agreement, agreements that we liked it. Oh, it was incredible. Jomi, why? So coming in, you know, I didn't, really like I'm team no expectations

I'm like we just don't we just gonna see what happens yeah right you're impossible task for this show well no I mean like it's I mean it's just like a me thing like I do my best to go in and be like whatever I see on screen I'm gonna judge it for what it is I'm not gonna use anything like from the outside to

to cloud my judgment but man like sitting I saw I I watched it twice in like what like four hours I saw four episodes of four hours special like legitimately incredible TV

from Obi-1 being like nah I can't do this to the bill nah and then going out there no saber handling business despite the fact you can see like like Ewan is just like sad he's a sad man and for him to like go out there and try and rescue

lay and like you know find out Anakin's still alive it's just like special there's no like I can't where he put in the words how incredible those first two episodes were, man. I think this is probably the first Star Wars live action TV show that really delves back into what George Lucas wanted to do all along, with the allegory of these stories being about, like, the Vietnam War or the War on Terror. Like, this is in live action shows you what happens when, like, when you're watching Clone Wars,

you realize most of the people in the galaxy don't give a fuck about this war. this war means nothing to them. And the clones and the Jedi who are now surviving come back to a world that A, didn't want them to fight this war, B, doesn't not view them as heroes. When I saw the clone in the second episode having to ask

Kenobi for money, I was just like, oh, this is special because you see what happens. Even when you see the Safdi brother, the Jedi, imagine how sad that is to look at General Kenobi and be like, yo, you were the man, you were on the council. I gave my life to this cause.

And the most you can tell me is go live a normal life. I think that this is such a like a mature show when I was watching. Because I was like, man, this is actually so much about like what it is to have PTSD, what it is to be a Jedi or a clone and to fight this war and to come back to a world where you're like, I don't know how to live a normal life. And I'm just like, that to me is so special. They could have done anything with this show. And for them to be kind of that direct with it.

it, like, it blew me away. I'll tell you what I think about that, because I thought about this this morning. What you're describing is what this show had to do. So when we're first introduced to Star Wars, the majority, well, I wouldn't say the majority of us, I'd say for me, speaking of people, you know, that were born in the 80s.

When I was first introduced to Star Wars, I was introduced to a rustic space opera that was a Western in many ways, where people were living in a clandestine way, running from this large sort of behemoth of an entity that was trying to step on them. You put a base up,

the base could only be up three, four months, you had to move it because the empire was always lurking. It was dirty, it was gnarly, it was nasty, and out of that there came this elegance that was the force, that was the promise of the Jedi, not really the Jedi. In the entire first three movies,

they're three Jedi. Four if you call it, four if you convader, but really three Jedi that you really see, right? So the Jedi were, they were more than even being characters in the story, they were an ideal, right? When you rewind the story,

that ideal becomes something a little bit more real. And you get what you get from Clone Wars and you get in the prequel trilogy, which is a highly political, very detail-oriented, in and out, plot-driven, different type of kinetic energy show.

It's about revenge and betrayal and backstabbing, and it's much more soap opery than even the other stuff. This show, as far as Obi-Wan is concerned, has to connect those two universes. It has to show the breakdown of what was a beautiful, thriving republic

to what comes into a loosely organized group of people that are oppressed by this incredibly vicious regime. And that is a tremendous thing to have to do. And the only character in Star Wars, in my opinion, that's capable of doing it is Obi-Wan Kenobi, because he represents one of, didn't turn Jedi until he was 25. He represents one of the last people to pledge allegiance to that old way. and one of the people who has to make the tough decision

to accept the new world as it is. And like watching him go through that, watching him tell someone who looked up to him, what did Kendrick say? I am not your savior. Like watching him look at him and say, hey, this is what the world is now. From somebody who's lost so much,

he's lost Quigangin, Jen. He doesn't know where Yoda is. He's lost. He lost Soutine. He lost, he lost Anakin. Right now he thinks he's dead. He's going to learn and he's not. So I don't want to take up too much oxygen here,

but I think what you're saying that they delivered on is what they had to deliver on in order to not just make this show a hit, but to push this content forward a little bit and show us how we got there. Fellows, what are y'all thinking? No, it's beautiful. You hit the nail run in the head.

I think that you can draw more or less a straight line from Obi-Wan in Revenge of the Sith to a new hope, but it's a long, long way to get there. And the beginning of that journey, even if it's 10 years later

where we start this show, he's still very broken from what had come before. And then to think that he gets to where Alex Guinness's portrayal is come the beginning of a new hope, that's a pretty big journey for him to go on. And I like to see where this show can take it

because he seems to be, on that path for sure. Ben Kenobi can use the force, but he is not your savior. It's not your savior. I think it is interesting because we'll talk about him in more detail later, but the Grand Inquisitor, and it goes on the spiel about how the Jedi

will always reveal themselves because they cannot help but be the best people and fight for injustice whenever they see it. And then we see Ben on multiple occasions just ignore stuff. The guy who's getting

shafted at the meat. He leaves him, the Jedi, he's begging for his help. It's like, I'm good boss. Keep it pushing. It's like a total 180 on his ideals, but he has to do that to survive in order to one day train Luke. And you know it hurts him inside. Like when he's on, every time he has to ride that speeder back in the town, he's just like, literally like, terrible commute, by the way. It looks awful. Fucking animal into town thing out of town, back into town, leave to go to the cage. Hey, at least there's no traffic, you know.

True, yeah. But he looks just despondent. That meat looks pretty good. It looks great. It looked great. It looked great. What's it? Was it a tuna?

Like a salmon? I thought it was a waggoo or something. Yeah, that's what I thought. I was saying like waggoo. Well, it's drying in the desert pretty quick. It can't be that high quality. I don't know, bro. He's cutting it.

It looked pretty. He was saving a little bit for himself. You know what? He's saving a little bit for himself. You get some cast iron, you know, some salt pepper. guys really quick because I think we brought up something where actually I think this story

is not so much about what he can't do for Luke but I got some kind of like I think the genius of how they set up the story is that it bridges the gap where why the fuck does Leah believe in Obi-Wan Kenobi so much? That actually was the first thing that jumped into my mind

when you look at when you think about it and obviously I have all this lore. Let's go back to the first time I watched Star Wars. I was like, how does she know he's a badass just because of what she's heard? Now, obviously, having read a lot more and having, you know, all of the other stuff, I get it.

But this shows that why she would put so much faith in him. Not even just like faith of like, because I always read that when I first watched the movie is like, oh, she's like read the tales of like this great Jedi night. And I'm like, oh no, like there's an emotional connection where instead of Luke, being this chosen one who sets all this in motion, it kind of makes you rethink Leah's role

in giving Obi-Wan Kenobi his humanity back and giving him something to fight for. Because if you think about it, if Leah doesn't get kidnapped and Leah and him don't start forming this bond, if he doesn't see in her parents, does he go back to Tatooine? Does he do all of these things?

I thought that that was like a genius storytelling to Vice because I think in the beginning weren't there rumors that this was supposed to be a him and Luke story like a baby Luke story almost like the Mandalorian and once the Mandalorian popped off

they kind of had to pivot a little bit there were massive rewrites basically page one from their original idea to what it is now I don't know if it was specifically Luke that it was centered around but like it was basically

something a lot darker and a lot more and a lot less it was like Wolf and Cove like the Mandalorian so I just think it was I wanted to give the creativity

credit of like the Leah story, I was like, oh, this is just a genius move. I fell in love with that choice. I did too. I loved young Leah. She's a pistol. She's a little pistol. Snips. She's the new snips.

I loved her. I loved her. But towards the end of the second episode, when she starts running away from like Obi-Wan Knobe, you're not trusting. I'm like, girl, this is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Shut the fuck up. She didn't know that yet. She doesn't know that yet.

But look, first of all, Stranger Danger. The reality is, and you know, that's like, bro, that's how white kids are. Let's just keep against it. Like the reality, look, I watch Ozark. Yeah. I watch the Sopranos. Steve, I know how you were as a kid, you know. Your parents tell you, Steve, come inside.

Don't talk to the tiger that's on the lawn. He's my friend, mom. You know, I know how you got. And I wasn't even a senator's kid. And you weren't even a senator's kid. So I thought she was great. And I also thought, it's like, you know what, man, Leah, Leah has, is such a pivotal, important character in all of this. And she was from the beginning.

Leah is a revolutionary character in terms, obviously that decade you had amazing women in film. You had Leah, you had Ripley, you had great women in film, right? Leah takes that blaster and starts working in herself, right? She is no one's damsel in distress And she was never that way Watching her read her little cousin for filth By the way, Belle, why would you make her apologize? This niggas talking mad shit.

For real. You know what I mean? Like, why would you make her apologize? So I loved understanding the foundation of that. And I also liked the fact that Obi-Wan has a lot more to learn because he's asked to go on this mission to save her and he says my job is the boy.

And in my mind, I'm thinking, before bail even says it, what makes Luke more important to Leah in that situation? I was so confused because I was just like, Obi-Wan Kenobi at this point doesn't know if either of them are force sensitive. So my first thing is like, you've got to say both of them. You don't know at this point. You have to imagine, though. Here's the thing, though, when he meets Uncle Owen again,

Uncle Owen's like the only reason you care about Luke is you keep trying to see. if he's force sensitive. Like that I think even Uncle Owen knows that Obi-Wan's been waiting. So if I'm Obi-Wan, what? Luke should be about 10 right now? Luke is 10, yeah. So he should have been showing force abilities already.

So I would start getting worried. I think, by the way, I think she is. I think that I think she did. I think in- When she read her cousin, I thought, I viewed that as she's- Her intuition. Yeah, she's okay.

And she even does it with, with Obi-Wan. when she's like, you keep trying to hide things, but you're really not. And I'm just like, oh, she's so intuitive because she's forcing. Yeah, so she was definitely showing it. I saw Luke, maybe Luke's a little bit, maybe girls mature faster than boys

because while she was doing all of that, Luke was playing Blaster. No, he was Glover. He was trying, he was on, he was trying to ride with a pod racer. Luke was, you know, she's actually. Wait, I was reading Easter eggs. Did you guys know that the,

I don't realize this, the toys. that Obi-Wan drops off. It's the one that he does this too. It's the one that Luke is playing with in the first one. In the new hope. I think the thing with,

and I mentioned this earlier with Obi-Wan, he's a sad boy. So when, you know, he's like, my, I have to watch the boy or whatever. He's just trying to, he's just trying to duck the smoke. That's really what it's about. He's not trying to go out there

and fight nobody. He's just trying to stand his little hole and do his little thing because getting out there would not only risk exposing himself as a Jedi, but also, you know, risk him, like,

maybe I'm not the guy I thought I was. So you think it's the, he's saying that about Luke because not so much because of anything, it's the easier thing to do. I can stay here and watch the boy rather than go out and go fight. I wouldn't say it's out of ease.

I think it's more of the fact that, like, he's like, he's like put Leah out of his mind because he's like, okay, well, she's clearly in better hands and a better situation than where Luke is. That's where my focus needs to be because she's off being a senator's daughter. Like she's clearly safer and like there's no reason to worry about. But she's not safe in the moment.

No, no, clearly not. And bail like everybody in the room, everybody who's watching the show knows like, Obi-Wan we knew would go there and handle business. Of course. That's just what it is. Right. But him in that moment, he's like, bro, I'm not the same dude I was. Like, I can't go out there and do that.

I'm just going to stay in this hole. I'm going to use the boy as a crutch. Like, I got to watch a boy. You know what I'm saying? It's like, would you rather like go outside? and fight like a thousand enemies or like I gotta wide oh man we're this ice in the fridge somebody got to go

make sure it you know okay so let me ask you this it's an excuse number one I think this is the first time maybe he realizes that there is a significant degree of danger in Leah's life as well right because she is so well protected on Alderan

by the way kind of tough seeing Alderan you know what I mean yeah yeah kind of kind of tough seeing Alderan thriving they have fits in Alderan they had a nice, you just know that, you know, goddamn. Great apartments. Great apartments and all the run.

But I guess my question for you, Jomi, would be if, if, like, if that is the case, like, are you saying, are you, he now knows that she can, that danger can approach her. So knowing that danger can approach her, because the way I look at it is this, is what I'm saying. The way I look at it is he might think she's safe on Alderon, but now he knows she's not. And in any ways, because of her exposure, she might be in more danger than Luke, because no one even knows where Luke is. So are you saying that for him to take that mission means that he has to become Obi-Wan Kenobi again, and that's something he didn't want to do? Or does he just care more about Luke? I guess I'm not. It's the former.

He's just like, I have to now, I have to go outside. And he risks his identity. He risk people finding out who he is. That's one. And two, like I said, he's just like, bro, I can't be out here in the streets. Going doing that means I'm out of retirement. I'm out of retirement. And he is, he's not happy retirement.

But he'd rather do that than be outside risking his life. He does dig up the weapons like John Wick. But also, it was John Wickers. It's very John Wick. But I think it's also we're missing like an emotional beat because you have to think if you're the director, they could have chosen anything. for Luke to be doing in that moment when Obi-Wan Kenobi is spying on him.

And Luke jumps on the house and he's acting like he's pod racing. And we know for a fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi has PTSD. He's having these dreams of having to kill Anakin. And I do think the reason that they showed us the sizzle reel of those prequels is because in that moment, Obi-Wan, we have to realize like he was mean to Anakin

and Phantom Menace. He did not want him around. He's like, who's this fucking annoying kid? I don't give a fuck about pod racing. Can we leave? And I think him staying there emotionally is him being like, I can do this over again. I can reteach. Like, he's looking at Luke, not as Luke,

but he's looking at him as another Anakin. If I do this all over again, maybe I can do it right. That's why the digging up the lightsaber scene is so important to me. When he digs up the lightsabbers, he'll just dig up one. Yeah. There are two in there.

And really, that to me, when I looked at that, I was like, oh, interesting. So he didn't just bury himself. He buried Anakin Skywalker as well. And he had, he buried Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he buried Anakin Skywalker so that he could live out his normal, regular life. I went back and watched a New Hope, right, like to prepare.

He doesn't seem embittered in that movie. He seems resolute. So whatever happens, he doesn't seem, he seems peaceful. Like, this is happening. Luke is starting to do it. I knew it would happen. Now let's get to it. It happened a little bit later

than what I thought it would be, but now let's do it. He seems a little, he seems hesitant almost. But now he's very at peace with what it is he has to do with the boy. He understands it.

So there's going to be something that happens within the course of this show that helps Obi-Wan get to a homeostasis of who he is in the galaxy. But you know what that is? Yoda tells us. Yoda's like, I'm going to teach you

how to commune with Quigon. I think Obi-Wan also feels like a failure because he's trying to reach out to he's trying to reach out to his former master, but he can't. There's something with the force that's stopping him. There's a level of,

he's not, he, right now, after the Clone Wars and the failure, I think he's actually worse with the force than he was. That's why it's so hard for him to pick up Leia. Yeah, he's out of tool with the force. There's something that's cutting it off. And I think what this is going to get us to is like, how does the Obi-Wan that we know in this show get to the

Obi-Wan that we see in a new hope who's like this wizened old man who's like, no, actually, I've talked to Quigon, I'm at peace, let's go handle business. Because what happens in a new hope, he can fight Vader. He's powerful enough to fight Vader, but he's like, actually, no, I want to be one with the force. This is not how this story is supposed to go. And that's what I think is so beautiful about the choices that they're making. Let's talk about the quezies.

the queesies let's talk about the quees young queasy fuck them let's wonder why fuck them why they like any other fucking job you have a white man looking at a black woman tone her shut the fuck i was like he's literally white by the way he's like white with like a shade of green he's like pistachio

like color see tell me about the inquisitors and how you view them in this story they're bad dudes no um It's interesting. We were playing up the Grand Inquisitor so much. Who?

Not me? Who? I watch rebels. Grand Inquisitor ain't, he was getting run around by Ezra, bro. You can't let that happen. Clearly.

But the fact that he doesn't really have control over his squad right now that there's like dissension in the ranks from the third sister, clearly holding a grunge against Canovi. It's an interesting sort of like dynamic here because like I was I was waiting for the fifth brother

to be like you're a loose cannon. Like you can't be trusted. You can't be chopping people's arms off on tattooing. I think you're going to be too hot out here. I just want to be real. Why has it got to be the Black Inquisitor who got an attitude problem? Oh. Why got to be Black who's got an attitude

problem? Like, come on. I don't know. By the way, I don't know that she has an attitude problem. You know what I mean? I'm not saying she has an attitude problem. I'm saying that she's clearly taking a personal Steve. I'm not saying that. Here's a thing. Steve,

Steve, hold on for a second, before we move on. Just give us your opinions on Black ones. Because it seems to me that you think, it seems to me that what you really think is that this is what you really think. What do I think?

You think that third sister needs a s s**. Wow. Oh, no, no. That's wild. about the third sister, man. And great character, Moses Ingram, you know, delivers. She's doing a fan.

She's amazing. She's crazy. She's doing a great job. I kind of want her to win a little bit. You know? It's awesome. Third sister is just the worst teammate you could ever have in life. It's true.

It's like levels to it. Like we see in movies all the time. You have, you know, level one. There are ops, you know, who fight against our good guys. Makes sense. And there's like a second level where there's, you know, ops who, who, you know, they work against the bad guys

because they want to help the good guys, right? They're like double agents, you know what I'm saying? And then there's this weird third level where I think it's just the third sister where she is a bad guy working against the ops but also against our good guy, right? Like, she's helping nobody. Double fuck you to everybody.

Like she wants it for herself. Oh, and I'm like, bro, you got to work as a team. Like, what's going on? She caught on the nets? Real talented. She's really naturally gifted. But when she's come to show, she's like, she's box office, but at the same time, you don't know what's going to happen. What does this, what is her character and her single-minded focus on getting to Obi-Wan and she doesn't seem to have any allegiance to anyone, any of the other Inquisitors?

What does that make you think about her relationship with Vader? Can I, can I pitch you on something? I feel like I got to read on it. Okay. So I'm going to say this with all due receipts. back after the show, y'all got to stop doing Order 66. We don't see this motherfucker like 10 times on screen. But there's a reason I think it's like a pivotal moment.

But every single time I'd be like, all right, here's a new vantage went on Order 66. But I think it's telling that they start there because there is this little black youngling who I think is Reva. And she knows that that's Anakin's squad. She like she can tell like Anakin is a hero. He's a hero of this war. And she says something very telling. she says, the Jedi are cowards. They failed you, abandoned you.

There's no point in protecting them. They would not do the same for you. And I think what ended up happening is that she and those younglings run away. And the Grand Inquisitor says, like, yo, the only reason that you're here is because you're so naturally gifted, because she has the force. And I think what those first two episodes are trying to show us are different vantage points of like, we see the Safdi brother. He was older. He was a Jedi knight. And Obi-Wan can't do shit for her.

She was small. She's just like, yo, Obi-Wan, actually, this is all your fault, bro. You, like, I'm mad at you because you started this. You, like, the way we got from Anakin to Darth Vader to everyone is literally you. And that's why I think she's so angry. And I think a lot of these first two episodes in this show is going to be about how Obi-Wan, Anakin, and the rest of the Jedi order failed that middle gap of of people. Those people who were not generals, those people who were either younglings or

paddawans who are now existing in the galaxy because you have to think, what, she was in the sewers trying to survive before she came in Inquisitor. They make note to say multiple times, like, yo, these are Jedi. Like, that's what my reading of it was. Well, I like that because when she's talking to Owen in the little desert dust up, she is like, yeah, the Jedi won't protect you. You know, they'll let your dutch it. die, like, they don't care about you. And I'm like, bro, that's some real propaganda, you know, from the empire, what's going on? But you think back and you imagine her as that youngling, you know, she's got no love for the Jedi.

She knows, you know, Obi-Wan Anakin was supposed, like, they were supposed to protect us. Now, look, look, look, look what I had to survive. Look what I had to do, you know, to say to make it up here, you know? So to your point, I think that's spot on, really. And to note for her personal stake, it seems that, like, when, in like that kind of last showdown near the end of the second episode where she's like, I'm not going to kill you, I'm going to bring you to him.

Anakin's alive. It doesn't seem like she's even hell-bent on killing him. It seems like she's more actually in cahoots with Vader himself. No, it seems like to me. To be able to know that Vader knows that Ben's alive. She wants him brought to bear. Yeah. She more, more importantly than killing him,

she wants him to answer for something. Yeah. Yeah. And because killing him would be a simple enough task, right? You could do that out in the deserts of tattooing. You could do that. But she wants him to answer to Vader for something. That is why she taunted him with that.

She wanted to fuck his head up and let him know that there's something coming. I think that that is right, Steve. I think that she has a bigger goal than just cutting him up, hacking him up with her lightsaber. She wants to see him stand and answer for something that she feels like he did or didn't do. But also think about it, because this is also a telling line, when they're on Alderon, Leah's uncle, when he's talking to bail, he's real. He's like, yo, the Republic was a mess. We're getting paid under the empire. I'm not here to free slaves. I'm not here to, like, talk about taxes on the outer rim. Like, I'm good. If you're Riva, you have to think she was a Jedi youngling, who none of the Jedi seem to have come to save. If Vader comes to her, he's like, yo, you can get three. square meals a day. You're going to get paid. You're going to be a soldier. Look at how.

How great you're doing. She might be like, oh, actually, the Republic was fucked up. The Republic tried to make me a child soldier. And Anakin, because like the thing that you... The Republic wasn't going to make her a child soldier. What? I mean,

I mean, come on, man. They were put a lightsaber in a guy and like five years old. You guys. You guys. They were teaching her how to fight. and use the force. You said the Jedi should never have gotten into politics. Hold on.

The Jedi should have never gotten into politics because it betrays the will of the force. However, studying at the Jedi Temple does not necessarily mean that you are going to become a warrior. During the Clone Wars. There are Jedi that go out there and just fucking commune with animals all day

and learn animal connections to the Force. There are Jedi that go out there and just talk to plants. They're Jedi. You can't call them child soldiers, guys. I would have been you. You can't call them child soldiers. They're not going to send anybody. How old was Osoka when she was assigned?

She's like 17. 17? 18. No, she was not 17, 18. She definitely was. Wait, when we first see her? Like, when we somebody checked. Like, I want to say she was like, she was like 15. She's older than that, bro.

No, not when we first meet her. Main question is, where is my Jedi botanist show? They have one. No, not during the Clone Wars. They're training the kids to fight in this war. What does it say? She was 14 years old. Okay.

All right. Come on, man. Like, come on, bro. Don't do this. 14 years old. They're saying a 14 year old. And, like, a son was like leading a platoon. Like, come on, bro.

Yeah. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. It's tough. I mean, she's for the Republic. It's tough to send a 14 year old to go talk to Captain Rex and she's talking shit to him.

It's tough. That's tough. Because here's the thing. If you watch the early. Clone Wars like, Asoka's talking like reckless to racks. Like she's like, I'm like, dog, you better back the fuck like back the fuck. She looked at him dead in his eyes and goes, yo, I'll let you know.

I'll rank you. They're made a tougher stuff in the galaxy far, far away, all right? Like people are grown up fast. Yeah. But look, I will still say this. I wouldn't, I stand corrected on the Asoka thing. But I will say that being a Jedi was much more about, was. was about way more than fighting.

It was about way more than going out and killing people's matter of fact. Before, before they joined the war and that's why I think Quigon Jin was kind of like, yo, like the Jedi are getting too involved in politics, we're getting away from like the aspects of like

what we're supposed to do. And if I'm Riva, I'm just like, yo, like you guys were supposed to protect me. You were my family and you didn't come save me. Like this is all my reading. of it because you can even say the same thing about rebels yeah yeah no no you make a solid point so look

a couple things here number one the dysfunction amongst the inquisitors to me completely validates the rule of two if you read a lot of old stuff the legend stuff which aren't p to my legend stuff you see that the fucking Sith couldn't get along he couldn't get along

he kill each other's Sith war and then they're like hey it can only be two of you motherfuckers maybe that's how it should be with Twitter activists. I'm gonna pitch you on this. It should be like a rule of two because they can't get along either. Do you think the same is like-

Which ones are we keeping? Okay, which ones are we keeping? Okay. Whoa. Whoa. Wait. Whoa. Whoa.

Oh, Steve. Oh, my God. I wasn't even thinking about that. Jesus, too. Even Arjuna! Our brother was like, whoa. Arjuna. Arjuna, even was like, yo, Steve.

I wasn't even. I got a point on the question now we can't even do it anymore We can't go back to that All right We can't do it anymore Can I ask you Do you think the Sith

Prove the rule you can't have Like in the NBA Like big threes can't last You need a big two You have a big three There's gonna be one motherfucker Who's just like dog I'm not getting enough touches

Like fuck y'all I think that she I think that what you really had Was somebody She just needed She just needed too many ISOs Right Like her third sister was just

She's on her own time She stabbed him By the way Do we think he's dead? No. No, because we see them in rebels. So let's clear this stuff for people who might not, who might have opinions on this. Other Midnight Boys, before we get into this,

who do we think those rebels the best? Probably Jomey. I haven't watched it in like two or three years. Okay, so Jami. Yeah. So where does rebels take place in relation to the, oh, look, it got sunny. Where does rebels take place in relation to the,

timeline that we're looking at right now. So, Vader is Vader. The Inquisers are inquisiting. I would imagine... Way is growing up in that. Yeah, right? Yeah, she's like a teenager. She's like a couple years younger than when we meet her in a new hope. Yeah.

Yeah, so she's like 13, 14, 13, 14. Okay. So that's the case, the Grand Quissor can't be dead. Well, he can't be dead because we see him die in rebels. Yeah, you know, I'm saying? We see the rebels. Exactly. So what do we think happened here?

Do we think he survives this? Do we think this is a clone of the Grand Inquisitor? Do we think this is a different Grand Inquisitor? Do we think this is a, I don't know? I just don't think it was a mortal wound. I mean, Darth Maul got half his body cut off and he was running around. I think Star Wars is pretty like, you might get stabbed and die. You might get cut in half and live.

So I would imagine. I mean, look at Indicate. I had everything cut off. Yeah. But that's different, though. By the way, Obi-Want's slice, cut her eye. his wounds, which is why he was able to survive.

But all, all, you know, blades cauterized wounds. Unless they stab you through the heart, well, they usually don't. They usually stab you get good. She stabbed in, like,

they got stabbed. It's kind of in, like, the abdomen area. You can walk away from that. Quigon didn't walk away from it. But that's what I'm saying. If you get caught by everyone, you can survive that.

Also, we don't know, we don't know, like, the makeup of the Grand Inquisitor. We don't. That's true. You can have a metal tummy. Also, because the Inquisitors are, you know, they've been fucked up by Vader a lot, so they have a lot of, like, different cybernetic parts and stuff. Vader was just hacking the Juiter was just hacking the Jop to read the Vader comics?

No. He's just a menace. He's just hacking them. Wait, you don't fuck with the Inquisitors like that? Fuck, no. Not really. He, later on, he became it. At first, he despised them.

Because remember, Theda has, like, a weird, like, in the Sith. remember in the first trilogy where Vader goes, you don't understand the dark side? Like, I have to obey my master. Yeah. Like, there's this weird lust to appease Palpatine. And at first, he looked at the Inquisitors as an actual threat to his standing with the emperor. So he didn't appreciate the way they fought.

He said they fought like Jedi because they fought too defensive. And they didn't know how to attack. So when he would spar with them, he would be cutting their shit. off. He'd be hacking them to pieces. You'd see guys coming out of there missing an arm, missing a foot. You know what I mean? So, you know,

Quixirite might have some cybernative parts. Can I ask you this? Going into the second episode, how did you guys feel about seeing one of the clones, basically being like a war veteran who can't, like, can't feed himself, has to beg for credits? Like, I was like, this is, we've yet

to really see in live action how the transition from the clones to stormtroopers happen. You know what I mean? Because we're still, in rebels, you see what happens to Rex, but we don't really get a sense of like,

what the fuck happens to the clones after Order 66? There's a bunch of them out there. And, well, in Bad Bad Batch, like, there's a lot of conversation about, like, clones are expensive, we don't need to do this. That was the thing.

They were too expensive. We don't need to, yeah, you can just conscript people, you can just, like, you know, who wants to, serve the empire. You know what I'm saying? After Django Fed died,

if I remember, they didn't have the purest DNA to make clones anymore, and they started glitching up a little bit. I mean, even in Clone Wars, they start saying around, I think it's the third or fourth season. They're like,

yo, this DNA is starting to break down. Like, we're stretching this shit too fucking much. That's why they keep getting clones that, like, are, like, defective and look, weird or aren't really acting right. So, but it was just kind of really sad to think, like, damn, Like these clones, what?

Their whole purpose was to serve this war. Now the galaxy looks at him like, fuck y'all. Jalmi, what's up? Kumail Nanjiani, talk to me about him. So he plays, was it Haj? Right? A fake Jedi. Right?

We opened on him trying to save this mother and son. And he's opening doors or opening windows with buttons. And he's using Magnus to pull a microphone. and he's like, I'm going to force trick into your mind and da-da-da. And it seems all, you know, really real except when Obi-Wan pulls up and he's like, yeah, that's garbage, bro. That's, yeah, get that out. Get them parlor tricks up out of here.

And, you know, Camille Anjiani was, you know, doing Camille Nijiani, but I thought it worked. I thought it did work. I completely agree. He's so charming when even when he's fleecing family. out of their money for their own protection. But I do think that when his like in that eventual like turn to help Obi-Wan, like in earnest was very like sweet and humbling. And when he stands up to the third sister like that, like clearly knowing that she is not one to be fucked with.

And is just like kind of doing his stick. I thought that was very touching. I think he was a great addition to this. I thought that sound. That was brave as shit. I think he truly didn't know what he was up against. Yeah. Because if he did, he no way.

Is he playing with her? Like, why would you think you would be okay to play with her? He had to have no idea when he was up with him. I'm surprised. I'm surprised he didn't get sliced up right there, bro. Yeah, she's not the one. It's incredible right on her part.

Super toxic. Like, Jada Pinkett with the Force. Jesus Christ. You know what I mean? Like, why would you think you could play with her? Like, I have no clue in it. It was cool. I really liked his character because I thought it showed,

obviously they always give us some comic relief in this Star Wars fair. But I think he had this weird, subversive sort of energy in a character they haven't nailed in a long time. They haven't really nailed

that sort of duplicitous. They nailed it twice off the gate, right, with Calarizian and then with Solo. And then they haven't really nailed that guy that begrudgingly does the right thing character

in Star Wars in a while to me, at least in live action. Yo, did you know, shout out to Slash Film when I was doing research for this. This kid is the kid who's forced sensitive. His name is Karan Horn, who was a Corellian pilot. He serves on the Rogue Squadron Ace and he's a new Republic hero. And he goes on to become a Jedi master in the new Jedi Order. Interesting.

So I was just like, part of me, shout out slash film where I got that. But potentially skeleton crew or potentially. Ooh. Skeleton crew. Or potentially a kid who goes on. on to, you know. That was my first thought when they were doing the Order 66. I was like, are we watching the pilot for Skeleton crew right now?

Is this what we're doing? Are we really excited about Skeleton Crew? Hell no. You say really like it's like Riley. I'm asking about. I'll watch Skeleton Crew. I'm open. To anybody that happened.

You are not open because you did like the mid-hand sign when we was sitting in the crap. Like, yeah, you did. Why is he? This dude just read. Like Chuck Coke. maybe 69 over here. No, because here's the thing.

He just read it on me. Y'all think the funk, like, y'all be saying some real shit. I did not say. And then when the microphones turn on, you're like, oh, this is amazing. I said I'll watch Scaling and the crew. But if you're asking me right now, am I looking for saved by the bill in the galaxy

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Steve. Steve with some, oh my God. Do your mince getting formation. Yeah. Steve, where are your quarter flips? One quarter flip. I've been watching just a lot of

Better Call Soul. And when you bury something in the desert, you got to put a marker somewhere. How does he know where the fuck those lifetavors are buried again? This is terrible. This is the future. He probably has a vegan in there.

Also, there's a chiber crystal. I can guarantee Obi-Wan-Ka-Kyla-Kyla- All right, all right, fine, I got a better one. No, no, no, you, let's stay on this one for a second. Let's stay on this, fucking debunk me. Now, it's not just one copper crystal in there. There's two.

They're double the copper crystals. He can definitely feel where they are. Also, also, we know that some Jedi can feel the emotions from, like, objects. Like if somebody touches an object. object, they can feel like the past future present of that object. That was fucking Anakin Skywalker

in his, in his fucking lightsaber. He could feel that shit. Yeah, you're telling me Obi-Wan Kenobi can't like find his own lightsaber in the desert? That's, yes. Well, now I feel silly. Now, it's very silly. When Obi-Wan asks Leah, how

old you are, you know exactly how old she is. She know exactly how old she is. You were there at her birth. You dropped her off. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, Good, fantastic. That one right there, he knows, Jomi, got to damage, Jomey. He knows exactly how old she is.

He was there. But you act like, you don't know me? But you listen to her. He's like, bro, you're talking like a grown woman. How old are you, man? Oh, so he meant to he facetiously. Yeah, of course he knows how old she is. Like you said, he was there.

Why wasn't he? But when she was, like, reing him for felt, he's like, how old are you, bro? Why are you talking to me like that? You know, I just thought about a lot of my nephews, like I was there at their birth, but I don't really remember how old they were. Okay, here.

All right. I'll make it easier for you. I'll make it easy for you. I was there when they were born, but I can't remember which year it was. You know what I mean? I'll make it easy for you. Damn,

I just fucking quarter-flip my own self. Okay. That's the first time it's happening. You've been soft stalking one of your nephew's identical twins. You know exactly how old he is. That's true. So you probably know how old she is. And we're going to do a quarterflip.

I don't know. The Cran and Quisitor kind of went out sad, bro. Like, you're supposed to be the, the leader and like you know she's on one and she just goes and he's like down the fuck like because I saw the grand inquisitor could get busy I felt a little cheated that we didn't get to see like the helicopter lightsaber like slice somebody up like Indiana Jones style

we didn't talk about this people I mean hold on we'll get to that in a second look I've I've been on the record Grand Inquisitor ain't who he's supposed to be bruh when Ezra bridger is giving you fits bruh and as a bridgeer is a cool dude he's got he's in his bag. Etra bitch is like, what, like 13? And he's like, you are running, he's running circles around you.

You know what I'm saying? But he's not, but those guys aren't Sith. There's something below that. Right. So they're, so they're, their first, their four sensitive force users.

It's not like he's a Sith apprentice. I mean, Ezra Brissor, Ezra wouldn't give, he wouldn't give Dukufitz. You know, he wouldn't give Ball fits. Exactly.

So, so those guys are, there's got to be a rank and file. Oh, all I'm saying is like, the grand of Christmas was never summed to me. So for him to go out like that, I was not surprised. Oh, you was never on a grand christener.

Wait, so are you saying that because Riva potentially is a for, like, like former Jedi, I don't know if the Grand Inquisitor was. I don't know where he came from. Well, Jedi in the sense that like she was like five. The Grand Inquisitor was a guard. Yeah. The Jedi Temple. Oh, shit.

I forgot. I forgot. He was a, he was a guard at the Jedi Temple when they arrested Asoka for the bombing falsely. Oh, yeah. I remember this guy. got all pissed off about it and later on. Exactly. But still, which actually kind of, I mean,

well, then if that's the case, then that kind of cuts against my argument that he should be pretty in tune with the force. But he's still not a Sith apprentice, but he should be. Levels to it. Yeah. We haven't talked about it,

but I thought Flea was awesome. Here's my prediction. I don't think Flea even needed to go into wardrobe. I think he just showed up like that. I think he just showed up wearing that. Also, we didn't talk about this, but like, they love them some spice in these shows. We had a little break in bad scene where they were like cooking meth up in the kitchen, right? This answered our question of what spice does to you, of what kind of drug spice was.

Right. He spice bombed them and they were out. Cooked. Yeah. Cooked. I think it's meth. Now that I think about it, I think like. Probably some strong stuff.

Really dark seeing that like 13. year old girl sell Obi-Wan on some spice. That was McGregor's daughter, really? That's why the audience cheered. I was like, I think that's McGregor's daughter, really? What references? I think so.

That's your McGregor's daughter? I believe it is. Niggins, can somebody check that? He's got it. Arjuna has been like helping us out back here on the on the phone. No, but it was funny when she's just like, oh, yo, this one, this one for you. You'll be back. I was so confused. That was great.

Because of the screening of the audience cheered and I was like, what comic is she from? I've never seen this girl before my life. I don't know who this is. Well, yeah, that definitely was her. I'm seeing her picture. Yeah, that definitely was her. She's a little actress. Yeah, she's good. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, last thing, predictions for the

series. We're going to go through a couple of these. I'm not going to make any I have some predictions, but I'm not going to there's no expectations. Some of no expectations. Some of no opinions, really. Shout out to Steve. Cameo predictions.

Oh, man. We haven't talked about it, but who did Hajid send them to go see? Because he's saying, he's like, Obi-Wan, like, yo, like, go to these coordinates and Leah is trying to convince Obi-Wan, like, hey, like, we keep getting shot at. We have to trust someone. Yeah. And it seems like he's working with someone to get forced sensitive kids away. Is it potentially? Dun-dun-da-da-a-a-soca.

I feel like the over-under on Osoka showing up. being two episodes in is now a lot lower. Because knowing that the pace and the tone of this show is set now, I don't think we see Asoka. But where are these kids, like, where would a force sensitive kid go? Who's still out in the galaxy who can help them?

That's true. Like, that's there. I feel like I'm not really banking on seeing an Asoka cameo in this. Not just yet. I don't, I feel like we got to, like, Obi-Wan's got to follow this Leia beat a bit more. before we would possibly see that. And I feel like that might bog down the show a tiny bit.

I don't know. I don't know if it's confirmed, but I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that we will either hear or see Quigar. Yeah. That's for sure. I think I think Quigon is for sure. I think he went on Atlanta first.

He was going to get the Star Wars back. We might hear. That's maybe a Yoda. Maybe. Yoda? Maybe Yoda in some way? Yoda's around. I don't think yoga.

I don't think we're, they're making the trip to Diggleba, but I could imagine like in like a force, you know, meet up, little, little force, force time. Chubaca? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I don't want to see Chui. You guys acting like, it wouldn't be awesome to see him. By the way, I'll be honest with you. Chooey's the most

underrated character in Star Wars history. Underrated? Wow, you must have drafted him higher then. Whatever, I didn't draft him. Right. You chose Chupac over fucking Chewy. Come on, bro. That's a good pick.

It's a good pick. By the way, this only proves my point that Chewy is the most underrated character because I didn't even- Because you underrated him. Because I underrated him. No, I think that, like, we are building clearly towards

this Anakin showdown. And I feel like if we, if we circle the wagons, even a tiny bit around the Mandoverse or like, like other little tiny Star Wars cameos while nice, I think that might be eating at the heart of the show a tiny bit. And I feel like the show knows that, and I feel like it might be smarter than that.

So let's do, let's ask this question then. Since, you know, we know who we think we might see, we know who we think we won't see, how much Vader do you think you're going to get? Well, the episode two ends with, you know, Hayden, Crenesen, he's in the bathtub tank. getting, getting warmed up. I think we're going to see a little more than we thought, honestly.

Bold prediction is like a full Anakin episode. That's what I like. Yeah. That's bold. That is bold. If I'm going to be real, if just like, chill out on Mustafa and like be sad with Anakin for a whole 45 minutes. If Darth Vader ain't in this shit like a lot, I'm a talk much. You're going to be up.

You don't get hating Christians in back. You're not going to be doing that. You don't bring that. Once again, expectations. They kill you. Damn, you're right. Like, you can't do that. No.

Some are no expectations. Some are no expectations. They kill you. We can get a totally great show and never see Darth Vader. Number one, they could never come back to it. They could never come back to it. That's all we see. That's all we see of it.

That's it. We can never go back to it. We can have a actual. Zero percent expectation. George George Vance is coming for the final showdown. I didn't watch the Thor Love and Thunder trailer. Oh. Mm-hmm.

I didn't watch. Yeah, you better off. I didn't watch the Thor and Love and Thunder trailer. By choice. By choice, no expectations. No expectations. I stayed away from Eric Voss. I said away from Steven Spilsberg.

I stayed away from all of these people on here that had, that did literally like, shout out to all my people. Shout out to Rob from Comics Explained. Shout out to New Rockstar. Shout to everyone. Shout to everyone that can do like 30 minutes on a trailer like we can. Shout to everyone who can do that content. And it killed me not to watch this shit. I'm so addicted, dog.

Like, I was in the house. It is. It's a feigning. Kaleigh was like, why don't you just watch it? I'm like, get out of here. Bring me some methadone. Like, it killed me not to watch a trailer, but I still have not seen it. Was it good?

I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot, too. It's going to be fun. Charles? If I say anything, I got one thing. I got one thing. What's up? Me and Mal talked about this in the screening.

The line is 0.5. How many hello there's do we get? You taking the over or the under? I think maybe zero. I think it's taking the under? Zero. Zero. Hello, there's.

I'm still sticking with my. I'm thinking we're going to get one? Taking the over. I think it's tough. I would. take the, I would take the over because it's such an iconic line and like if you're gonna have, gonna bring Obi-Wan back one night only, you know what I'm saying? You give the people the hits.

I don't know. I don't know if this is like a fun show, quote unquote, if you know what I mean. Like it's not gonna be like that, that line has such like memeified and like, it's kind of like a, it's kind of like a whimsical thing. Sure. Like they can do that on the press tour. they can do that in like all of this this internet stuff but like I don't

I don't know I mean I will the reason why you might be right is because when we get like the hologram of bail I was like dog if y'all do help me old you want Kenobi I'm a fuck I'm a fucking I'm like don't say don't say don't say I was just oh please bro we were like is he gonna do it

is we gonna do it is Jimmy Spitz gonna say the thing like here's the show not being fun I see when the job was it's hilarious oh so fun it's legitimately so funny I had a fun. I had more than enough fun in the show. I thought Camel Nanjani was fun. I thought I had fun in the show. It's just that sometimes you got to catch a little girl when she jumps off the edge of the building in the show. Sometimes you got to kill the Grand

Quisitor. Sometimes you got to talk that weird Jedi shit. Sometimes you got to eat weird meat in the desert. That was weird. You got to do it. This is a, look, we want to have some fun. This is a down time in the galaxy, guys. Yeah. Yeah. This is a life. Big bummers. Omokinomi was eating chunky chunky noodle soup. How about this? This point in the galaxy that they're in

is like this point in real life that we're living in. So, like, we can, so you know what we're going to do in the galaxy in this show and in real life, we're going to have as much fun as we can. Right.

Like, so every laugh, we're going to appreciate it. Every time we get to kick it and have a good time, we're going to appreciate it. That's right. Empire is out there. Motherfucker.

God damn it. I've come back around. We're going to get like three. Hello there. All right. That is a wrap. Lots of pods coming your way this weekend. This morning, the House of Art released their latest pod on season four of Stranger Things. Episodes 1 through 3. Check the feed and socials for any emergency pods. We'll have reacted to the news this weekend while we're here at Star Wars celebration.

I want to tell everyone something. We'll go tonight. Universe bonding. It's Star Wars Night. Mm-hmm. Okay. Tonight, Arjuna, Steve,

Van, Jomi, Charles, Mallory, we all hit Disneyland. Woo! Steve has never been to Disneyland before. Never been to Disneyland.

Really? Never been to Disneyland. I can tell. What do you mean by that? Please tell me how you can tell. There's a lack of whimsy in your... life, Steve. I'm going to get whimsical tonight.

We're whimsy. We like, we like, I got it. I'll be like this the whole day. Take care of everything. I'm like Tupac right now. All ears on me, Steve, I got you. I'm going to get you some ears. You put the ears.

I'm going to get you a special C3PO ears. We're going to have lightsabers made. Jomey the only one right now with a lightsaber. Fucking fucking us up. He's fighting white kids in the hall. It's nuts. It's like, it's like, it's like he actually, he actually got a lightsaber duel with a kid out of the hall.

It was fun. The kid put on his. So the kid put on here. like a blue lightaber, I think he said it was from Cal Kestis, right? He was like, for my favorite video game, I was like, oh, that's really cool. And he turned it on and van was like, Jomi, you gotta. Jomi, like, what's you doing? He turned it on and looked at Jomi for some smoke. Jomey walking down the hall. I'm like Jovey.

So I turned around. It's got like multiple colors. I set it to red and we went and we went at it for a little bit. He was handling me. I loved it because you have a difficult time, like, setting the colors right? Because you got to like flick it in the weird way. So I'd imagine you like a kid just waiting for you to fight him. just be like, hold on. Literally, he was just standing and I was like, I got you. It's got to be red, hold on.

And we got to, yeah, yeah, fun, man. The Star Wars thing is fun, bro. We're having a great time. So we're getting busy. And Sunday, the House of Our comes back. Again, again to deep dive into episodes four of six of Stranger Things. Strangeer Things, season, what is it, season four?

Season four, episodes four through six, that's going to be amazing. Okay, our producer credits, guys who we can't do this without, producer, Steve, Almond, Joy. Junior Mint stand up. Jomi Adirana is on social. Junior Mint stand up.

Hashtag free Jomi on social media. Additional production from Arjuna Ramgapal and Mike Wargon. Before we finish with the producer credits, everyone right here give Arjuna a round of applause. Everything that we're doing here at Star Wars celebration is weekend. We're clapping with Mike's on our internet. We're like, we're not making any shots. Everything that we're doing here at Star Wars celebration.

The hotel rooms we're in. Disneyland will see. Yes. All of the panels that we've attended. Everything has been painstant. arranged by Arjuna Ramgapal. I need everyone out there in the ringerverse to give him

all the love because it has not been easy for him to do all of this and we really really appreciate Arjun. If Bill Simmons is the podfather, Arjuno Rangapal is the con father. The con father. The con father. The con father. All right. We are out. Charles.

Take us out. We played a game of fuck Mary Kill with Shehawk, House of Dragon, rings of and what was the fourth one? Andor. Andor.

Which one went to that? So give it to me again? Shehulk, and Door, rings of power, and House of the Dragon. You got to kill House of the Dragon. Hell yeah. Damn. Don't let Mel hear this. Don't let Mel hear this.

You got to kill House of the Dragon, man. Really? House of the Dragon is on a 10-day contract with it. I'm not going to lie, man. House of the Dragon is on a 10-day contract with me. Oh, man. I'm going to tune in for House of the Dragon. But if House of the Dragon don't get me from the first one,

I'm not fucking with House of the Dragon like that. I'm not breaking back. I mentioned this where I'm like people got some bad tastes in their mouth. And they really don't have the patience. Do you think the average fan? Do you think the average fan after the last season of Game of Thrones is going to give a fuck about House of the Dragon? I think that it's like for, yeah, I think they will.

So I think that for me, it's enough intrigue and there's enough emotional connection to that world to submit to it, they just got delivered quickly. Game of Thrones didn't. Game of Thrones was good from the beginning, but I watched Game of Thrones just being like, God damn, this shit is crazy. And this shit is crazy

became a deeper interest into the political machinations of the show, a deeper bond with the characters, to at the end of the season, them be hitting Stark and me being like, what the fuck is this show? Let's be real. It wasn't until the season finale where I think, feel like Game of Thrones became like,

everybody's like, oh shit, anybody can get God on this show. Right. So like with House of the Dragon, okay? It's like, it's like, you know, it's tough. All right. Who you thought? Attendance. Huh? Oh, okay. So I got a I got to marry. I have to marry Sheehoek

because I'm just not going to say, yo, I'm about to fuck Sheehoek. It just doesn't sound right. You're not with it, Steve. You're not seeing the business. See, you don't like, you don't like big, strong, confident women? I do, but. I just feel weird saying I want to fuck she-hoke. It just doesn't feel right. Hey, you're a monk friend.

It's a safe space, man. It's just the-in- us. Nobody else is listening. Nobody can-in-so. Andor, I am going to, I got to be honest, I got to fuck she-hook a man. Rings of power being shit, man. Andor looks fucking insane.

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