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Episode Date: August 22, 2025

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About midnight, boys. I'm going to do you. Awesome socials. TikTok, Insta, Instagram, Instagram. Guys,

I just wanted to say that we're doing so, so good on social, all of us. I wanted to shout out a very special person. Charles, he's posting on Instagram. Going crazy. He's going crazy. He's having the time of his life.

You posted us. Developing film photos. Out there in San Diego, that was really interesting. But there is one thing I want to call attention to. Charles, you went back home for a little graduation. And you posted a series of photos. I did. Yes.

And if you slide, you can see. Charles has always mentioned his twin. He's talked about his twin, Brad. But we've never seen them. And for the first time, I got a glimpse of what Charles Clinton looked like. And I, like, bro, I nearly stopped in my tracks. I didn't see this. You haven't seen it?

Yes, boy, look on his Instagram right now. That's my little bro, dad. Shout on my little bro, dad. He's a bigger hater than me. You're his favorite. Eric, he's literally like, yeah, yo, Joe. It is, brother. It's crazy.

I need, brother. You're the older twin. It is crazy. It is crazy. crazy to see. Dude. We'll throw this up on the screen. This is a lot to take it.

Bro, it's the same face. It's the exact same face. You're like, yeah, that's my twin. Like, for sure, for sure. Brother, it's the same. I told you all for years I haven't happened to it. We know you haven't seen it. But you never seen it.

We never visualized it. You don't really see it until you see it. Right? And to see it, oh my gosh. dude. It's a beautiful family. I'll say something real quick. This is one of the most devastating pictures I've ever seen before in my life.

What does that mean? Like, this is Charles with long dreads. This is one of, I'm legitimately gobsmacked. Because there's a couple reasons why. One, there was a part of me deep down and thought she was making this nigga up. That this was like a type of deal, number one, but number two,

to look at him and he looks exactly like you with long dress and the line is, wow. Because it's like sometimes like you've seen twins where they're like, like you can definitely see it

and they're like maybe like, like 80 to 70% there. No, this is one to one. That's less one. I was with some twins, some really nice guys this past Saturday, and they're definitely twins. Yeah. But you could tell how they mama tell them apart. Because you've seen like relatives, like brothers.

Right. Yeah. But that's Charles. That's Charles. That's the locks. They're nuts. Nah, it was so bad when I was a kid because my brother was like the contrarian, the one with the mouth. I remember we was walking with somewhere and he said some smart shit.

My mom smacked me so hard because I was like, what the fuck did I do? She's like, oh, my bad. Wow. It's crazy. We're on YouTube, like, comment, subscribe, share. You have to be on YouTube. This is a picture that is going to go with this because you will not get that bit

and the power of that bit unless you see that picture. Beautiful family. Congratulations. Who's graduating? Oh, that's my goddaughter. Audia. Shout out to her.

She's going to . Now, so just like, yeah, yeah. I'm really, really proud of her. Congratulations. Great school, by the way. get your education in the dark, like Steve would say. Yeah, what are your thoughts on HBCUs, Steve? Yeah.

We love them. Black liberation, black intelligence. Exactly. You need more funding. Exactly. What's your favorite HBCU? Name your top of HBCUs. Top of HBCUs.

I need you to get to five. And don't say how we're first. No, no, no, no. No, no. I can't give Rachel the, the, the Kappa shine. So it's not, that's not going to be. Just fucking name the schools Just name the schools

Like whatever you do Just name the school I don't know what's going on Brough This is the name of schools man Name as many as you can I know you can't First of all

Steve, I'll just tell you something right now This is very low leverage I'll tell you it It's low leverage, okay I'm serious No all just aside If you can name 5 HPCUs

You're white dude at a year right? So, I know that you can't do it. So this is a low leverage ask. Just name as many HBCUs as you can't. Okay, probably LSU first one. No, are you fucking kidding me? LSU is the opposite of a HBCU. Okay. The LSU Tigers

actually is not an animal. It's named after a Confederate group of soldiers. That's a fact, by the way. It is, wow. Right. Okay, so so, okay, so this is what we're going to do? We're going to help. First of all, stop. Charles. No. Stop.

No. This was, okay, this was happening now, man. It was a cab of shit that's a... So wait. So wait. So wait. So wait. Let's be honest about something here.

This is knowledge that I would not expect the average white dude from Chicago to know. If, in fact, Steve, I'm shooting... This is a bell session right now. If Steve was from the South, I would expect Steve to know the HB... Like, in Baton Rouge, they know the HBCUs because they...

So this is completely out of Steve's death. This is all fucking a plus. Right, right, right, right. LSU is a gigantic school. Yes. Okay. It's the flagship school of the state. That's not going to be an HBCU.

Think about the HBCU. Think about the schools that you've heard where only black people go to them. D.C. Every year. D.C., Atlanta. Think about, plays schools like that. Think about it. Okay, what can you do?

What you got? I can't really help you here. You've never heard of Howard. I have heard of Howard. I don't know if that. I didn't know if that was an HBCU or not. That's the thing. If I keep guessing, it's going to sound more wrong. Just keep guessing.

Just keep guessing. No, just keep guessing. I'm actually trying to cover you right now. He's doing all of the word. If you were trying to cover me, but you have got to ask me this question. No, it's not. You have got to get some.

Yeah. If you really were fucking with me, you wouldn't be putting me up on fire like this. Hold on. Arjuna. Arjuna. Arjuna. Where's Arjuna? Getting our burritos.

What's up? Arjuna. How many HBCUs can you name? Not money. America's cooked. Yeah. This is really Trump's America. America's cooked.

Okay, Steve, so we're going to help. So Howard. Morehouse. Morehouse. You know Morehouse. Tuskegee, we just talked about. Spellman. Okay.

Southern University. I've heard of all of these. Of course you have. Florida, Atlanta. Not Florida, Atlanta. Fucked up yourself. What happened? Fam U.

FAMU, right? Florida A&M. Atlantic is a different school. So the HBCU quick HBCU lesson for everybody out there. First of all, I will say this. This is funny, but like, look, the HBCU is a really important part of America.

Yes, yes. Like super important part. I don't have to go into the whole history. You guys probably can discern why. There were times where black people could not go to schools and get college education. actually, if you go back further than that,

like, you know, it was illegal to teach a slave how to read because obviously knowledge is power and you have a... But HBCU's brilliant, amazing places, but they got them all over. They got some of the more well-known ones, the ones that we've talked about, but then there are other ones.

There's Wiley, there's all... Well, I don't even know Wiley is one. Wiley might be. But there's smaller ones in, like, you know, Pennsylvania and places like that, like little bitty ones that really serves, specific black comedians.

I mean, even when I went back to Skigi for the graduation, because my cousin is a professor there, he was teaching us. He's like, yo, in the beginning, they were, he's like, all those bricks you see on this building were black people building these bricks. And he's like, a lot of times they didn't graduate because it was like, all right, I learned my skill. I got to go back to my neighborhood. And now I'm the person who knows, like, it is a very deep within our culture.

I have an idea how to turn this amazing bit. It's a something great. Steve. I will go to an HBCU. Yes, I will. No, you will. You will, because we'll eventually end up in Louisiana. I don't see how this hasn't happened already.

But when we'll go to Louisiana, we'll go visit Dillard, Xavier. Just think about Louisiana. Louisiana has Gremlin, Southern, Dillard, Xavier. They have all kinds of HBCUs just in that state. If there's a large pocket of slavery where your school is from, it's probably going to be some HBCU. Steve, you know what you should do? Steve's Black Fact of the Month.

This is Steve's segment. We need a jingle. This is Steve's segment. I will work on that. Steve's Blackfack of the Month. I'm not going to tell you. No one here is going to tell you what the black fact has to be. I need to find that fact.

You go out and you find a black fact that you think is interesting. And I want you to get into the culture. Get into shit that you like. Right. Find black people that maybe we don't talk about. Right. The black heroes in Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. You're an unsung heroes. The unsung heroes

like Steve's black fact are I will be committing to this. And then... Just once a month? Yeah, because we don't do it too much. Like, you know, you come in here, we got to protect your identity. Once a week. Once every show in February. Comes in with the Deshiki. I'll be like... Comes in here. Because, you know what happens? the Cuffian.

You step a toll into blackness and then all of a sudden a sister pulls you into the lake. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't want to fuck your life up like that. You know what I got a lot of this shit going. Get too deep into it the next thing you know. Oh, Black we would do wonders for Steve, but he already has.

He already got a question. We're all fine over here. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying, I'm saying I don't want to do that to love. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, yeah. I would love to see Steve come in here like,

hey, go sit that thing on my lap. All right. That's the kind of white rule Steve would be if he had a black one. This is true. Right. This is. Come up with some chrome hearts.

Boosey fade. Yeah. The whole nine. Boosy fade is a crazy pool. Damn. That's crazy. Get off the goddamn computer. All right.

Caput was crazy. Okay. We're on YouTube. We already talked about that. On Tuesday of the Mint Boys covered Netflix and Summer Smash K-pop demon hunters. We had a conversation about that

like just before here, K-pop demon hunters. Yeah. I fuck. I didn't think I'd like the movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie.

Let's taking over everything. Like, literally, there's a different K-pop demon hunter's seeming, uh, headline that I read. It's crazy, too, because it came out like two months ago, but only in the last, like,

month has it, like, really popped off and changed the world. It is literally... Like, 10 songs of the billboard. But what I will say for everybody, like, I was a music journalist before this. I'm a music fan. If I'm talking about music and y'all start being like,

like, well, the best song of the year, K-pop. I'm like, whoa. There's kid shit. I don't know, man. Like, don't play out. Like, come, all right. Don't play out.

I got two things to say. One, I normally agree with that because kids' plucky shit. But I will say there is a cartoon back in the day that used to have true jams and they still hit. Finlayson ferv. No. The chipmunks. The chip. The chip.

The chip. The chip mo's. The chipmust. The chipmust. Christmas. Christmas time. No, you're not fucking... But they were...

That's different because they were a group before the cartoons and everything. You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't the movie TV first. It was like they was coming out the singles and then they're like, yo, we got a movie show. I want to just like stress. It wasn't actual Chipmunks making this.

I don't know. It could be. You don't know. The Chipettes have a song from the Chipmunk movie called Diamond Dolls. It's still one of my favorite songs ever. I'm, honestly, I'm going with the CGI. That first season,

Alvin in Chipmucks movie. Not the squeakle. I'm talking about the old animated one. I like the animated one too. The 3D one with Jason Lee in it. Yeah, that's not. It's kind of fire. I'm not going to lie to it.

The K-pop demon hunters are having a lot of success. It's the moment right now. Yes, they are. So I think that Tyler should join the K-pop game movies. Absolutely not. Honestly, for the sequel, I would love the K-5 demon hunters went to Atlanta. Okay, so on the part, I said we were like, we're like, what's the sequel?

Clearly, they go to America. But where in America? I said New York because that was like the... Wait, where are they from? They're from Korea. Well, they can't come to America. Why not? To America.

The ICE going to get them. They're going to be the K-pop demon hunted. If they come here, we can't, we can't... I think they can give... I think they can get visas. We can't have our people from overseas. Hey, all of our people from overseas, we got some... Stay home.

It's a tight time right now. Before we get y'all, you know, they come on here. The V's get fucked up, and then the K-pop demon hunters being allegation al-A-alcatraz. But they need to do the prequel work, because sometimes they send, you know, the K-pop boys and girls over to Atlanta to get the black swagger and they go back to the details. This week on the House of Our Feed, they continue their coverage of Alien Earth and Peacemaker. In today's show, we're giving you our instant reactions to premiere of Peacemaker Season 2. Wow. Very interesting.

We were talking about something before. Before we get into this, well, actually, let's get into the show, and then we'll talk about it on the other side of it. Spoiler for everything, Peacemaker today. Spoiler warning now. We're getting ready to talk about Peacemaker. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your midnight manifest for Peacemaker's Season 2, Episode 1, The Ties That Grind, written and directed by James Gunn. Eagley wakes Chris up, aka Peacemaker, in the middle of the night, to go flying, but it's snowing and too cold. Chris goes to the pocket. dimension in his house to let eagerly spread his wings, and the bald eagle leads Chris to adore into another dimension. In this dimension, peacemaker is a respected hero, his dad and brother

are still alive, and the family is known as the top trio. Flash forward six months later, and team peacemakers' lives are in the gutter. Chris tries to join the justice gang, but is ridiculed by Maxwell Lord, God Garner, and Hawkerl's living at a motel and jobless after outing her mother last season. Harcourt is blackballed from every government agency thanks to Waller and is spiraling out now that her life has no purpose. And Economos is spying on Chris for Argus because the new agency head Rick Black Sr. has a vendetta against Peacemaker for killing his son and tasked his agent Bordeaux to keep an eye on him.

And vigilante is back to working as a dead end job. After Harcourt calls a vote party hookup with Peacemaker a mistake, Chris throws an origin spirals and goes on a bender. He then leads Chris travels back to the dimension where his life turned out better, which leads to a peacemaker versus peacemaker battle. and then our dimensions Chris kills the other dimensions Chris. That has been your midnight manifest. My bad, a lot of shit happens.

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Very dense show. You know, I watched the show, and I really liked it, but not even just really liked it. I'm like, it was an actual show. Like, it's,

and you know what? You know what I realized when I got in here I was talking to Arjuna? I forgot that season one, a peacemaker was good. I forgot that it was a well-put-together. I swear.

Yeah. It was so long. It was a 10,000 years ago, yeah. I forgot that it was a well-put-together show. Even if you did not like Season 1 of Peacemaker, if you don't like James Gunn's style, which if you don't like James Gunn's style, you're not going to like something he does.

No. It's like if you don't like the style of a joke a minute, really pushing the limits of comedy in every scene. Very high-intense. There's always going to be a scene where it's like you're seeing something where you're like, oh, okay, yeah. Right. If you don't like that, then you don't like that, right?

However, what you cannot argue about the stuff that James Gunn puts that he puts on television, anything that he makes really is that they're a structure. And a lot of the criticism that we've sort of litigated over this stuff in the last couple of years was that a lot of times it's unstructured and it seems like it's just kind of thrown together in post. But this is a TV show that re-orange you with the characters, sets up a new world, gets you into that world, and then leaves with the Holy shit, what the fuck moment. I think that's to credit to James Gunn's writing style is that everything has to be like finished.

He's like, I'm not going into anything without a finished script. And so when you're writing eight episodes of TV, you write it like a television show. You don't write it like a movie, right? Like, you know, we've, again, we talked about like the Marlossau versus everything. But at the end of the day, like he's got a structure that works. And so it feels like a TV show, to your point. Like, it feels like it's oriented and this is how it's supposed to go. It doesn't feel hacked together and couple together like some of the other stuff.

stuff might be. I was listening to Tarantino did some podcast interview. I think it's on like the book of Tarantino podcast and he said something interesting that made me think of James Gunn where he's just like I never felt like I got my just do as a screenwriter because I was a director

and people are like well he's writing his own scripts of course they're going to be good. And when he think about James Gunn's career he starts off as a writer. Like I think that's something we forget as well. He had a lot of big credits early on in his career. And to your point when I was watching this I was like oh, the difference between this and a lot of the Marvel shows is what you're locating, which is,

Peacemaker to me is almost as the structure of a sitcom where it's just like there's a structure of like, okay, he's going to have, like, Peacemaker has this, there's what has happened in the first season, but there's this family and I'm going to reorient you with where everybody in this cookie sitcom family is, and Peacemaker is going to have a thing he's going to do and hijinks ensue. And a lot of times with, I think, the Disney Plus Marvel shows, it's almost opposite, where it's like, we're going to make a six-hour,

eight-hour movie. Where this didn't feel like a movie to me. This felt like, okay, this is episode one, and it's telling, like, an overarching story, but it's working as a TV show

where it's like, if you didn't watch season one of Peacemaker, I still think you would be able to kind of be like, all right, well, Peacemaker is kind of like the goofy big brother role

and Harcourts his sister, blah, blah. It's almost like a workplace comedy in a lot of ways, which I think, speaks to the fact, like, James Gunn is a writer who knows genre-wise what beats he needs to kind of thing. Because he has a lot of experience on television, yeah. I hope Parkport's not his sister.

That's, like, really Game of Thrones, although this is a rich. Oh, no, Atabia. Atabia. Now, Gunn structure is actually, I think, in my opinion, possibly better served in television because he is so good at the incrementals. He's good at finding intimate moments with characters in small doses that can add up to the, like, Trey Parker and Matt Stone therefore structure where as a lot of

like you said before like a lot of structures in MCU stories and in TV shows in general there's been a lot of like additions to stories that keep piling up and stakes keep adding and adding and adding and then you have this finale that may or may not be something that we are

fucking with but this Trey Barker McStone philosophy is being like okay every single thing that leads in a scene is going to be a reflection of the scene that just came before Therefore, this happens, therefore this happens. And every time I see this in Peacemaker, it's genuinely so refreshing because not only is it buoyed by great writing, I genuinely think that John Sina is probably one of the better actors that we've had in superhero storytelling. And I'm not being facetious.

It's not what we don't got to go down. Let me talk my voice in bail. Let me talk my voice in bell. I think two things. one, John Tina is definitely a better actor than we give him credit for. I think he does some stuff like in season one in this show

that's like, oh, because you, I mean, we've seen John Tina's previous work. He's like, there's a little, there's depth there. There is some depth to Christopher Smith that he brings. And I'm not saying... James Gould talks about it. James Gould talks about... I think there's a difference between charisma,

which I think that's why I like watching Cina where I'm just like, I think he's a very limited actor. Like, his range to me is very limited. But he knows how to be charismatic. and he is selling you kind of on a vision of John Sina, but he's peacemaker. But it's good, though.

I'm not like, I'm not saying they're going, nah, man, I can see somebody else. Like, I can like, I want somebody else in this role.

I think somebody else should do this one. I'm like, this is John Sina's role. I think he's doing a good job. I wouldn't say, I wouldn't go that far. I think as for peacemaker and what he's asked to do by the script and James Gunn, I think he's doing a service little job.

I think he's doing more than serviceable job. He's a perfect printout. of what the character should be. So, I mean, okay. So, I mean, I could list, like, I could list like 30 people in superhero media that act better than John Cena. I'd say, again, I know, yeah.

To serve a character. But this is the Deadpool situation. Ryan Reynolds is a good actor, but Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool. Yes. That he's like, that's, Ryan Reynolds fought for them to make Deadpool. Because he knows that he has the unique ability to be Deadpool.

He was eating around the edges of being Deadpool his entire career. Yeah. It's like he's got that. That's the thing. It's the perfect thing for him. Peacemaker is perfectly matched to John Cena. This is not me saying that John Cena is a bad actor. This is me saying that I've seen John Cena in things and he has been bad.

Right. Sure. Like, okay? So, like, well, I mean, like, bad. Okay. But in this, and when he needs to charisma his way through something to what Charles is saying, and also when there's a lot happening around him and he can be reactive to that stuff, I think he's perfect as this.

He's perfect. Look, there are times in this first episode where it's interesting the way they use him. So when he's sitting with his father and his brother, his brother, that's where he kind of was like. That scene is happening to him. Right. The thrust of our character, he's not imprinting onto the scene. The scene is happening to him. And John Cena in that scene is surprisingly vulnerable.

Mm-hmm. And so, like, he is. Yeah. Right. Placed in that dramatic structure, if you go out and you put too much on him, I don't think he could do it. I don't, and I agree. And it's a balance between directing, writing, and the right guy at the right time. And I think that, I think that mixture is something that I've kind of

fallen in love with in this first season. It took me a minute to really like it in season one, but I think it's that scene in particular where I'm like, oh, wow, he's actually got something. I thought he was hilarious in season one. Peacemaker is the most annoying character I've ever liked. He is more annoying than

Vigilante. More than Deadpool? No, I love. I love Vigilante, but he's incredibly annoyed. But really, all of the characters on Peacemaker are annoying. Yeah. They're all annoying. Yeah. But it works because they're an annoying, big annoying family.

I would, I mean, I don't know if I saw this, but there was a article that came out and it was ranking actors, wrestlers turned actors. And I had Batista one. I did see this. No. You'll never guess if they had to. Batista is by far one. He's definitely one.

Okay. Who would you put us one? No, no. No, no. What would you put his one? Wrestlers turned actors. Can't come up with one. No.

John Cena could not do. I'm just sorry. No, no, no, no, you guys, I, I'm sorry. Shout out to John Sina. Right. We love them. John Sina is doing great. It's not even close.

Batista's acting fucking circles around. Right, but Sisa acts in circles around everybody. He's clear number one. I will say this, though. The discussion. I will, I would like to know where this is after the smashing machine comes out and let me tell you why. Okay. Wait, because do you think the rock is going to be bad?

No. Okay. I don't think he's going to be bad. The rock. I feel, and maybe I'm wrong about this, I feel about the rock the way you feel about John Cena. It's the moment where I'm like, I'm thinking if the rock could be number one.

No, no, no, no, because the brands can spoil for an awful year. Batista's a way better actor. It's not even close. But Batista's got, he's got too many. Artistically, I think he's just a better. Sure. He's got too many different types of roles. Sure.

Like, Batista's going crazy in Dune, being super. Then Batisa's in. Don't James Bond. Not that drives out and all that. Even Drax to sell Drax? Like, we forget in that first movie how funny

Batista is. It's a real comedic performance. So, but I do think that there are parts of, when I look at the Rock, the Rock is number one, never been bad in anything. He's never been bad in...

He's been in bad movies. He's been in bad movies. But he's never been bad in anything. Right. I just think there was like a freaking 12 year period where he was just playing the Rock. Well, that's the thing.

So my thing is there was a slight time. I don't know if people remember this in The Rocks to where he started using the name Duane Johnson again. In the Walking Tall Era? And he was a little bit after that. Where he was trying to stretch his credibility as a serious actor. He did a couple of different movies. Took some chances, right?

Then as an Affiris comes, The Rock goes back to being the Rock, and he's been doing that for a while. I think he's to the point now in his career, where he knows that he can do a little bit more, so you're going to see him try a little bit more, and I think he can, I think he's an actor that can do that. But Batista, right off the jump,

sure, said, put me, I mean, DRAX is Drax, but put me in movies where I prove to the world how good of an actor I am. And I think that that, the experience of doing that, like, has made him into literally one of the more dependable actors in the whole town.

And I think the only thing that got in the way of the Rocks acting was his business acumen and the fact that he wanted to make big blockbuster things along with having all of these successful business ventures that kind of like took away from the whole acting thing.

He's a brain. Yeah, he's a tell you, Thomas, you know what I'm saying? He's a great player. It's not a good GM. It's not a bad, does not make good decisions. I'm interested in the smash machine because I think that that's going to be

the rock reclaiming his, the serious actor mantle. And I think just, for the future, he can't keep putting his body through some of the stuff that he's putting his body through. So, so. He still, like, went and lost a whole bunch of ways. Yeah, he's going to probably want to do that. But Sina and sort of Back to Peacemaker, like,

Cena's really good in this. Like, he is. I'm not going to bullshit you. He's really good in it. He's being used well. I took the character seriously in this opening. Like, when he's standing there and he sees his brother, I'm like, wow, we really put peace. One of the most unsurious characters ever, we put Peacemaker into a real emotional conundrum and watching him navigated was a really affecting scene to me.

Yeah. So when I was watching this, I walked away from the premiere being like, oh, that was like a really decent premiere to your point. Like, it's like, I think I've been vocal being like, I think I like a lot of James Gunn movies. I think sometimes his tone is something like lately that I'm just like, oh, this is this is a lot. But I was kind of wondering for y'all, how do we feel like the marriage of going from the cinematic Superman in that world and him building the DC you out? And when I saw the justice gang in it, I was just like, there was a surprise. There was a joke where I'm like, oh shit. Like we're already connected to Superman.

Fuck, yes. And then as the scene went on for one or two or three more beats Blancow, I was like, damn, I really, I really just kind of want to watch the next. Superman movie. Like, there was a weird conundrum where I was like, this just seems a little bit small when I finally had the vision in my head.

I'm like, okay, like, the DCU is cinematic now. Right. It's a movie movie. I actually think that that's kind of to the show's strength because as grandiose and as big and bright

and beautiful as Superman can be and like how that world is like elevated when you get to the smaller aspects of like characters who are like petty, unsurious and quite frankly sad, you realize kind of how big those other things out. Like it elevates Superman and while also kind of like brings down the level of like peacemaker,

just kind of being a loser that doesn't really have it. To think that that's the same guy that went on that show in, that talk show in Superman to just like spout some like, oh, well, I'm just like a cool guy and he's just whatever. That actually informs like how this world is kind of taking none of these people serious. because all they are is just this weird talking point and to have a guy like peacemaker who's like really messed up in the head

he's got a lot of family problems kind of a psychopath when it comes to killing people they'll just bring them out on TV whenever they need to have him talk shit about Superman and then that's all he's kind of famous for. I think that's interesting. I think the scene I think the scene has a lot of utility for me for two reasons. Number one if the justice gang characters are going to show up in this they have to be there for a reason. Right?

Not necessarily an incredibly dedicated story reason but there has to be a reason they recone the justice gang early on they start using Justice Gang and then the Stinger not the Stinger, the last scene to Peacemaker One where we saw

shadows of the DC EU Justice League they've changed them and justice gang which is very interesting to see that Supergirl was there and all of this stuff like it's interesting little interesting choices in there Noticing, noticing. But that scene, number one, it reconnects us to the world and to the character of Peacemaker, is that we still have more journey with Peacemaker.

He's still, he has, he's saved the world, but it hasn't done anything for him. Because we live in two different worlds, really, the DCU or the MCU, where being a superhero comes with a lot of agulation and a lot of perks. Like when people see the justice gang, when they see them fly in, they cheer for them. Like you just said. Yeah. They cheer for them. They go crazy for them.

They do all of that stuff. They don't feel that way about peacemaker. Peacemaker feels that they should, even though he saved the world in the first season, he feels like they should feel that way. But when he goes to see the justice gang, they cut him down. They wouldn't even remember him. Right. And then secondly, the justice gang themselves, there's going to be a part of the DCU coming up where their role in the world.

is probably going to have to be a little bit more cemented. Like, is the justice gang even going to work? Because if the justice gang works, then how can the Justice League work? Right. How is Maxwell Lord's involvement in the Justice Gang or the Justice League going to shake out? We have to kind of get an understanding of who and what they are to make it easier to grease the wills so that we can understand later how the Justice League is going to event, if it exists, or how all these superheroes are going to get it.

Right now just feels like a punchline to me. And not in a bad way. I think that's by design. No, I do think it's by design. But I guess the thing was where it was like, I was surprised because I'm just like, to your point, I'm like, wait. Is the justice gang actually something that's important to this universe in terms of just like they're leading us to some type of Justice League? Or is this just kind of like a punchline? And we'll see Mr. Treptic.

We'll see Guy Gardner. Right. But you're not supposed to take it that serious. I mean, in that scene, you're not supposed to take them seriously either because, again, this is. credit to James Gunn. You have Peacemaker being so vulnerable, being like yeah, it's been for the tough couple years. You know, my brother died.

I have all these issues, whatever. And Justice's getting there out there after laughing at them. I thought about eating popcorn, my ass is flat, all this. It's like an interesting dichotomy. But same time, like, to your point, I'm like, am I supposed to take these guys just? Are these people what to save the world? They're also

not paying attention to what he's saying. At all. Yeah. At all. And think about what he's saying, Maxwell Lord is asking peacemaker about the nature of what a hero is. He's saying heroes don't kill. He's saying heroes are taken seriously. He's asking peacemaker about all these different aspects of what heroism is.

Really, that scene is for us to decide whether or not we think the corporate-funded assholes in the booth are the heroes, or whether or not the super flawed, small trauma-filled guy who's just trying to figure it out and has made some mistakes talking to them, those two things are running up against each other in that scene. It was really actually interesting to me because after the faux pa has been discovered that the mic is on and he knows that they've been shit-talking him

and Lord realizes it, Lord apologizes and he's embarrassed in a weird way. Like Guy Gardner and Hawkerl, they don't care. But in a weird way, like, the idea that Maxwell Lord is kind of like this middle ground between the elevated Justice League and the like boots on the ground, like, finding real people that can possibly make a change. It like had a fraction of something where I'm like, maybe I want a Maxwell Lord story really fleshed out because he is the person that gets these things. done. He is that kind of like kooky, but like a Nick Fury type

of character where he can facilitate all of these people. Do you think he was exhibiting decency? Not decency, but like embarrassment for himself from an image that he seemed to want to put out. Yeah, I mean, he was embarrassed about the Cameltoe. Yeah. Well, that's on it too, yeah.

But I don't know. That was just like a very interesting, again, credit to gun. Like there's like a lot there's a bit more depth than I initially thought. Sean Gunn, you give a Sean Gunn Critics. Hey, Sean Gunn, I'll give infinite credit. Sean Gunn rules. Always is the perfect little... Well, we're on the Justice Gang part, the thing that I was thinking about

after Superman, after Peacemaker, that's why I was looking at my phone to get it right. Do you guys remember the Justice League International run by Keith Given? Uh-uh. Where it was essentially like none of the heavy hitters. I think Maxwell Lord is actually introduced in this. And that's that was the team, the Blue Beetle,

booster gold, Batman, Guy Gardner. It's like the, I think it came out in the 80s. That's the famous panel of Batman punching Guy Gardner. Right. Right. Yeah. Now that panel I know really.

Yeah. So, like, part of me when I was watching... Everybody's around, like, Batman just fucked up Guy Gardner. Yeah, and that's where it's like... We get Martian Man Hunter

eating the Oreos. And part of me was thinking, I was like, is James Gunn creating a Justice League where it's like, we know that the Snyder movie and Weed movie tanked? Is he building a world

where it's like, we're not leading to a trinity of like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman leading the Justice League, we're going to have a more quirky, like maybe Batman's on it, but he's standing next to Mr. Terrific

and Guy Gardner, because that seems like more of a James Gunn idea. I thought about this. Here's what I came up with. The thing that Zach would do in his movies, Batman versus Superman in Justice League, specifically, is he would give gigantic reasons

why heroes had to come together. Yeah. Like huge reasons, right? Like, they got to come together to stop doomsday. Or they got to come together because Darkside is coming to earth. The Avengers initiative, even in the MCU, and you know, no, fuck the MCU. I'm going to stay out of the MCU. We're talking about what we're talking about.

I think that what James Gunn is doing with the Justice Gang or Justice League is looking for different reasons than a planetary existential threat for these characters to come together. I think he's looking to give the audience different reasons why they interlock and decide to cooperate and decide to go do a thing together because he set up in Superman that we're living in an era of the metahuman. And Superman is a metahuman. Superman isn't with the justice gang. Not really. The question is kind of like why. And then what would make him join the justice gang, right? there's already in this world a need for cooperation between superheroes or even not a need, they've decided to cooperate. So I think for James Gunn, who is not the type of guy that comes together and says three or four heroes get together to save the entire galaxy, and that's the thing that you take away from my story, he actually has a lighter touch in terms of the reasons why his characters do the things together that they do.

like, you know, we've seen characters thrust together for reasons, and then they figure it out, and they become a family. So in this situation, I think we're, to your point, we're kind of interrogating the justice game. It seems like we're interrogating a peacemaker in that scene, but really it's an interrogation of the justice game. And then as a more, I guess, concrete Justice League forms, I think it'll be for different reasons rather than we have to form together

to save the world. What I'm thinking is if we go by the Justice League International kind of like run where a lot of these characters pop, you go back to Superman and think about when Hot Girl kills the dictator or they're like, or Guy Gardner

comes and all that stuff, they're going across borders. That's a big underlined thing of the movie. And even when, to Steve's point, Maxwell Lord is kind of interrogating peacemaker and be like, wait, what was the good reasons you killed people?

I think what were what this world That's not what he said He's like what were the bad What were the people that you killed for bad reasons? Yeah exactly. Yeah. I killed most people for good reasons.

That is a fucking crazy line. Yeah. He's like most of the people I killed for good reasons. Okay, well let's put those to the side. What were the people that you kill for bad reasons? But what I want him to answer that question. I did because that's a very good follow up. That was a good line.

Like that whole that's a really good thing. What I thought was interesting about that is I'm just like, we just saw Hop Girl kill the dictator, right? So we have a corporate-backed justice gang that does feel like, all right, well, these heroes can kill. They just needs to be like a justifiable business reason that like we can, like, Maxwell Lord is just like, hey, yo. But what I think is interesting as we, like, as a Justice League potentially forms is like, James Gunn has already shown us in Superman. there's international heroes. Like, it's just, like, what countries want their heroes on the Justice League?

Is there a reason why Superman may not want to be part of it? Maybe he wants to be it. Like, it doesn't, it seems like he's making an organization that almost from the get-go is where the Avengers were in Civil War, where it was kind of, not Civil War, in the beginning of, what you can call it? Age of Ultron? The Age of Ultron, but what was the scene where basically, like, they're reading, yeah, maybe it was Civil War, where they're all kind of just like, they're kind of like a covert team.

It's like caps leading this team in another fucking country. Oh, they're in Lagos, beginning of Civil War. Yeah, it almost seems like that's where the Justice League might be starting, where it's just like, wait, what even is a superhero team when it's like there's a bunch of superheroes and every country seemingly has.

Right, right, right. How do you guys feel about, okay, so it seems like this season, um, Peacemaker So Peacemaker's gang is going to come back together for whatever reason, right? And there's different stories that we're going to get

in different arts that the characters are going to get. How you guys feel about hardcore? She in this episode was really going through it in a major way. Brutal scene of her getting fucked up which, by the way, when they showed us that scene at Comic-Con they show her getting busy,

but then they cut the scene off before they stomped her the fuck out. And then threw her out of that bar, which was very difficult to watch, by the way. That was a lot. But you've seen her get turned down. She's kind of a weapon. She's...

But she's a dull weapon. Yeah. And not a useful one. The scene, again, James, is doing this thing. The scene where the guy's reading back, like, the issues and he goes, you suffer from toxic masculinity, and it cuts to her.

I thought that was really silly. Hysterical. But yeah, but she only has one mission. She only has one goal. Only one thing she knows how to do. She can't just turn that off. And now that she's been blacklisted from every single government agency, it's like, what

what else do I do? Yeah. And I think part of, I mean, I know part of her journey this season, it's like finding her use beyond that or even just finding something else to do really. It's a tough thing for me to see like the wayward character who's like

really going through it and downtrodden in one in like the first season and like doesn't really want to accept the friendship or family or like the belonging that is likely coming to her by the end of this season. I think that the interesting wrinkled to that and I hate to like make that character about

her romantic interest, but when it's faced with the alternate reality when peacemaker sees that like, oh, they're together in this universe and they were like on the verge of breaking up, but they could probably get it back together. That is an echo for just giving him some food for thought as to how to treat her now might be something that's very, very interesting.

Oh, he learns in the alternate universe how to be a better... How to be a better, like, just start at a bottom. of like being a friend to somebody. Interesting. Like that parallel of like, oh, well,

they're full blown together, but they just like broke up or had a fight or whatever. And he's just like, man, well, if I could fuck it up in this universe, I got to start working better

in this one here. And I think that's where that interesting thing is going to come from because she's clearly going through some really tough shit that I don't even know if she'll accept from him.

Yeah. She didn't, right? He came over, it was trying to be nice or whatever. And it's just to fuck you back. That's interesting to me, and I think if it goes that way, so let you guys know, we did get screeners.

I did not watch ahead. Neither did I. But if it goes that way, that would be super interesting because if they do a moonlighting on again, off again thing with them, it's going to drive me fucking crazy. Really? Yeah. I will say because of this show has such, like, sitcom energy, sitcoms are one of my favorite TV genres.

the thing that I'm struggling with is I'm like, is the thing I struggle with in the first season event. Like, when you get a first season, like think of the office or think of Seinfeld, those characters are not the characters that you grow to love.

First seasons of sitcoms are very rough watches because you're just like part of the comedy of watching something weekly. Especially those sitcoms. Yes. In the 90s,

because those characters are totally fucking different. Yes. By the time you get to the end event, I didn't mean to cut your wish. No, but that is the thing that, that is why

We love something like friends because it's just like once you get to the second, third season, you have a bunch of history and you care about them. And you're just like, oh, I get these jokes and I get their emotions and how they're bouncing off each other. If I being my most critical, I barely give a fuck about peacemaker. I think I'd give a fuck about peacemaker because he was in a suicide squad movie. John Cena is naturally charismatic. There is some, he's a superhero. Like he does have that wrestler thing of like when he's on screen, he just has physical. where I'm looking at him and I'm just like, okay, like, I'm locked in.

James Gunn, the real difficulty I think of this season is that he has the structure down. He has a directing down. Him and his team know how to make just like a good product. Is me giving a fuck about hardcore, auto bio, economy? Oh, I completely disagree with that. I just don't. Like, that's, I'm speaking personally, I don't give a fuck with him. Hardcore, I can understand people being like she works.

We'll see if it works with her, right? Right. Because she works best. She had a very specific. role in the first season, which was... Bust his balls. Bust his balls,

grizzled, hardcore, fucking get the job done person. She was the one that whenever they fluttered a little bit, she brought them back down to earth to what

is the fuck that they have to do. If you change her to where she doesn't have the answers for herself, then it's a really interesting, dramatic journey.

Do they have chemistry? Because that's another thing I was... We'll see. Yeah, yeah. That's ever been proven. The one just... The one scene that they were in together, I thought the scene worked. No, I mean, even in the first season, like, I got that, like, maybe they were leading to love interest, but I was just like...

Yeah, certainly, yeah. I was like... I was like, oh. We'd have to see it. But we'll see. But I will say, I completely disagree about the out of bio. Like, her shit by being Waller's daughter and that whole thing was insanely interesting to me. Insangely interesting to me to the point to where I almost wanted either the Waller's show or movie.

or whatever, just to kind of see which parts of Amanda Waller, which I guess she exists in this. She would have to exist in this. She was in the first season. No, no, no. But I mean, like, she was, but I mean, like, we're in a new deal now.

Yeah. So it's, we're talking about this earlier before you guys got here. The Justice Gang is something that, like, is canon to this show, right? Which means, obviously, it's in the DCU. Right? Later in the episode, they talked,

mentioned that Rick Flagg, Sr. is watching John Sina because he killed his son Brick Flagg Jr. Who he did in the suicide squad. Right? Which means that movie is canon and then you have

characters like Harley Quinn who's got our own like multiple movies DCU. How far do you extrapolate the canon of the movies? There's no way. There's no way. It doesn't run the show or whatever.

That was also I was wondering why it just, instead of kind of like reckoning the justice gang in, I originally was just going to be like, oh, he's going to basically be like Peacemaker Season 1. It was in an alternate reality. Like happened in the DCU,

but something very, very similar happened to the DCU. Which is the easiest ride on the level. You know what's funny, though? I think the way Gunn looks at it and I'm just, you know, thinking of my brain, the way Gunn looks at it is Peacemaker's Season 1 was in the DCEU,

but not in the DCEU. And let me tell you what I mean. Is it be carrying like guns to stop about the lateness? This is what I'm saying. There are the movies that Zach did. And then there are other movies. Right. And those other movies besides I would say

Wonder Woman and Kind of Aquaman, maybe they're there. but those other movies are so different in tone. Like, Peacemakers' Season 1 was in the DCEU. Yes, it was. Those characters existed, but it really had nothing to do with it. Okay. And I think it, not really, by the time those characters showed up at the end of season one, it was like, kind of like a joke.

They didn't even take the DCEU seriously. Yeah, you felt it on its way out. I never really saw a way that Peacemaker would be. a serious part of the things that they were doing. And that actually speaks to the kind of dysfunction of the world that there didn't seem to be a creative governing body of how things were going to go. So for him, he probably didn't see that big of a problem

of having people that were kind of half in that universe be in this universe. He probably didn't see the big deal. Canonically, it's a mess, though. It's a mess. But also, I like, like, if I could also be a bad issue, like gun to bail A if it's me I'm telling

nerds get the fuck over it because I'm just like Does it does the story like I would Rather the story work than The canon work perfectly because the thing people Forget about the MCUs I'm just like Yo those first early years at the MCU They were fudging a lot of shit Actors were getting fucking replaced

And it's just like when you watch those movies sequentially now in the beginning Especially you're just like Oh this is not as tight of a Runship as I originally thought It's not until that first Avengers movie where you're like,

okay, I'm starting to see the shape of this fucking thing. And I'm like, that's why I don't necessarily give a fuck. I'm like, wreck on it.

I don't, I don't care. The way I feel about the MCU is everything up to Avengers was the preseason. Preseason? We can't. Respect Iron Man.

Come on. Let's not do that. Iron Man, when I say the preseason, let me tell you what I mean. Iron Man is one of the most important movies ever. Yes.

Right. But, like, Iron Man was a, pilot for the MCU. It was a pilot. It was a pilot for the MCU. We just talked about it. If you go back on you watch the pilot of Seinfeld, if you go back and you watch the pilot some of these other things,

like, if you go back and watch some of these pilots, these people don't even have a hold of the characters yet. Yeah. They don't. They don't. It's proof of concept. I know something that could be big. But I would argue that Robert Downey Jr. In the first Iron Man. I'm not talking about him as the character. He, like, I'm not talking about that.

What I'm saying is, like, overall, with the MCU, Iron Man is a pilot, proof of concept situation. You could make an argument that Thor isn't even good. It's not bad. It's not bad.

I think we celebrated it. I remember liking it at the time, but I think we're celebrated because we're like, oh, they made a watchable, kind of good Thor movie. They did not fuck you it up. Then there's the incredible Hulk movie

that we completely fucking forget about. Like, we completely forgot about it. So, like, when we're talking about, the MCU, the tightness, the interconnected story. Now, there are other things. There is the quick hawkeye cameo in Thor. Shot with that ridiculous bow and arrow.

But they got to get Hawkeye in the movie. And then there's other things. They're building characters and stuff. But really, when we talk about the interconnected and all it is and they're all doing this, we're talking about it starts at Avengers, man. Yeah, yeah, it really does. It kind of starts at Avengers to me. To me at least.

Back to James Gunn, we just can't, Marvel, we can't quit you. Back to this episode of The Peacemaker, they were, like, I was to say about Adebayo. Like, I just think it's really super interesting that Amanda Waller has a daughter kind of in the same thing that she does that is struggling to be a person and come to terms with who her mother is. I think that's super fucking interesting. And when that happened in the first season, I was like, oh, fucking shit. it completely gave her. That's the type of shit that gun, that's gun at his best to me.

Because that's a character, to your point that I'm like, okay, what we're doing, right? Like, well- portrayed, Daniel Brooks is obviously great. Yeah, she's amazing. But well- portrayed,

but I'm like, but then he gives that character something for us to look back on and be like, oh, I'm like, oh, shit, that's Amanda Waller's daughter. Now, I'm always wondering

what's going on with her. I am. Tough break for her. Got kicked out by the girl. Is there a better comp for... Septim ring, bruceming, bruceming. Septim ring situation. You never know.

You never... What's wrong with the septembering? You can't have a septim ring? Tell you something. I love my septum ring sisters. Do you? I do. But they don't take no shit, man.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like... And you think it's the septum ring. It gives them powers? You think it gives the green... No, non-sex powers? I think that...

for the sisters, the septum ring is like a green lantern ring. Yeah, it is. It's a power ring. And if you... Where do they charge it? If you see... In dark...

See? See? See? The septum rings. See, if you see a sister... To me, the septum ring means I'm not going to take too much shit now. Right.

And black is staying queer space. Oh, God. They're going to kill us. But wait. Did Atabio's girl have the septum ring or did she have the... Adabio has a septum ring, right? Oh, no. Did I just imagine a septum ring on that thing?

If you did, you're the worst person. It's not right. It's not right. It's not right. Come on, now. You need to know 100% that that's the case. But I tell people all the time, I'm like, hey, man, you better lead them septum ring sisters alone.

They're going to get in your ass. And they're going to fucking put everything on Twitter, let me tell you I met this nigga and he was fucking trash. Beat the case. Beat the case. You beat the case. You beat the case. Thank you. Yeah, you win those. But there are some gunisms in this first. Absolutely.

The orgy scene, bro. I have questions. First of all, got me in trouble with Kalika. Why? Why? Because Kalika walked in and she was like, she thought that I had relapsed and put it on the big TV. They always come in when you're watching the worst thing. Yeah. She came in. First, I didn't even know if the orgy scene was real at first.

Even like he was too high imagining it. Even, even for me, that was a lot, bro. That's for you. That being a lot. I'm surprised he had that many people to call. It wasn't that the or GCC was too much for me. It just was there was a certain point where I'm like, I need it.

I don't know. I can't even get a game night set up. This guy's got 80 people in this house. I mean, I guess like free drugs is, you know, good incentive. But at the same time, it's like, I wouldn't want people having sex all over my place. On the countertiles. I know it smell crazy in there. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

You got to have rules. Like, you, I mean, somebody going to come clean up? You're going to get higher results? It's on the part of it. The rules are on the part of it for sure. Having a fucking orgy at your KKK daddy's old fucking house is nuts. It's not. I mean, not all the time, but I can see like maybe once a year.

Nah, I don't even, okay. I mean, he's in a bad place, clearly. Yeah. And so, like, I understand, like, at this point. But also, you also, you also. clothed, everybody else is being busy. And you fully clothed? You're not going to get it on the action? I mean, he is the host. I wouldn't want to do it.

I mean, I guess. I mean, have you ever hosted a party and you're just like, oh, man, make sure everybody has snacks. He's providing condoms and napkins and you're busy. You're playing host. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, once just to celebrate the end of summer, everybody just coming. All right. Sure. I mean, we set rules and make sure that there's consent and safety. Do you cap the headcount?

Yeah. Maybe. Is there a hydration station? It depends on the space. Got to be. All right. I will just say this and we're going to have to take this out. Nigger, we already saw what happened to what's his face is about to get out.

No fucking, no freaky parties, no freakoffs, no baby loom. I don't know if this is a freakoff. That's good. That wasn't a freakoff. That wasn't a freakoff. That was just a good old fashion. Let me tell you why I wasn't a freakoff as we understood it. Because if you followed the trial, we thought Freakoffs was like that.

That's not what Freakoss was. Freakoffs was off of one guy's gratification. It felt like everybody was getting. in that scene. And Peacemaker was not getting granted. I see a room full of consent there. That was a freak on. That was a freak on.

Get your freak on. Get your freak on. That was a freak on. Not a freak off. But yeah, the scene just went on too long. It was a lot. That scene located something to me where it's like, obviously we've been talking about the MCU a lot because that's their main rival.

But I'm like, oh, it seems like the actual comp for the DCU was the boys. Where I was just like, it seems like the boys. and there are reverence to heroes and their position in the world. And them being corporate backed and them being a little, taken a little less seriously, seems more so like what gun is reaching for. I don't think he's like, I want to make the boys.

But it's like these heroes don't seem like they're viewed as the Zach Snyder got. Well, I think that's just because of the era we live in now. I think the boys ushered that in. But the MCU heroes, again, except for the X-Men, All the heroes, they love all the heroes. Spider-Man, Finetka IV, the Avengers, they're all praised. And so, kind of like, if you're going to be on this side of the aisle, if you're D.C., if you're from your Amazon, you're like, all right, let's spin it back a little bit.

Maybe all these heroes aren't supposed to be loved. Maybe they aren't supposed to celebrate it. I think that's just a symptom of where we've been with the majority superhero storytelling for the last, like, 10-plus years, that we love all these characters. All right, what happens when we don't quite love them? They're going to be a little dirty. They're going to be a little nastier. They're going to have big-ass orgies.

at the house for whatever reason. I just think it's a symptom of the time. And the boys is, like, deeply cynical about not only its world, but the heroes that are there to save it. I think DC, like, has, at least in a show like this, where it's like, okay, what's like the grimyest and, like, crunchiest types of, like, heroes

that aren't exactly the good guys, but maybe doing the right things the wrong way? Even this, like, I don't see, like, anything, like, terrible or cynical about trying to be a hero. I see a character who's kind of lost his way and is in the not... There's some cynicism in here.

Like, the way the Justice Gang is portrayed or at least Guy Gardner and Hot Girl especially, these are two characters where I'm just like... I think there's cynical characters, but there's not a cynical world. Yes, this isn't a cynical world.

There's a cynical world. Yeah, there's cynical characters, they're not cynical world. I think the thing that For right now that I like the most about the DCU is that the seriousness, the earnestness, the cynicalness of everything going on is character dependent. Yeah.

And I think that's interesting. I think Marvel had a uniformity to it. Star Wars has a uniformity to it. Really, and or was revolutionary in Star Wars because they did not want to do Rogue One, like they did Andor. Yeah. Rogue one, you know, they had the movie being very brutal and the Disney people watch it and they were angry about it.

They were like, are you fucking nuts? Star Wars, bro. Like, it was like, you fucking crazy. You got Darth Vader coming in there. He cut people arms off and all of that. We can't put that as kids. A toy. The children.

No way. They get to a point and they, I guess they talk with it. And Terry says like, look, this is what we got to do for Andor. And they go ahead to the point to where they're going to do. there's actually a really, you would have never thought that you would have saw a sexual assault be depicted in the Star Wars movie, right? Or like a near-sexual assault, whatever,

depended in the Star Wars movie. Which, not specifically the sexual assault, but the fact that they can get a little bit more serious and a little bit more desperate, depending on what the world and the story demands, is actually good. And I think whereas the boys exists with almost zero, zero eye to the sky

there is hope. It's a fight for survival between people who want freedom and people who are up against superpower beings. The DCU seems to be trying to make the way they tell their stories dependent on the world that the characters

are in, which makes me excited to see what kind of world lanterns is, what kind of world Batman will be with no motherfucking what's her face. In the movie, did you see that? Who? What's her name?

She said she said don't ask her no question about that. Oh, yo, so she said. Like, you think she's lying or? Nah. She's just too tired? I don't think she's not in that way. I just, I literally don't think she just got the call yet. Here's my thing.

And like, this is peacemaker literally related. They mentioned Blood Haven. They mentioned Arkham. They're saying all these. They're like, yo, man, this is a full world, man. Batman exists. Gotham exists in this world. Can't wait to see him.

He's putting pressure. He's putting pressure on. on Matt Reeves. Gun is playing 9D. Chess. He's putting pressure on Matt Reeves. He's putting pressure on Matt Reeves. This is one of the most... Y'all don't feel like this...

The Gun Matt Reeves thing is one of the most intriguing Cold Wars that we've ever seen... Two creatives happening right now. He's like Gunn is... He's letting people know, hey, Batman is in this, universe, and if you want Batman, you might not get them with this one. We got Batman for you over here. We're serving Batman.

People think we're insane. They're forcing this beef. They were forcing this beef. I'm not saying this is a beef. I'm saying these are two big time guys who are fucking with each other. They're fucking with each other. If they weren't doing that, Gun would be like, you know, we stand away from the Batman thing until we know what's going on.

What if this is K-Fabe? What if this is all just like, okay, Matt Reeves and Gunner actually like fine, but they're just like stoking the narrative. That would be incredibly risky if they did that. They did. Yeah. Because if they were doing that, if they're doing that, which they could be, but like why? Why not just give us clarity on when fucking Batman coming

out? It's not, I watched Batman begins last night. It's fucking Batman. Yeah. But you don't fuck around with fucking Batman. You know what I'm saying? And this is why you were talking about like, oh, the Justice gang, like what kind of lineup do they got a guy? Right, right, right. Brother, Batman got to be there,

one of them got to be there. I don't, I actually don't, I think for James Gunn the way he is moving, like, there is no. That's unsurious, though. We're talking about peacemaker season two. Like, James Gunn does not seem to me to be the type of creative. That's like, I'm going to give y'all exactly what you need. Yeah, so this could be the most popular show. You know what I'm fine?

He's not, then he's not being serious thing. He's not, he's not operating seriously. I think that he's being him. I'm fine with that for the moment. I would be very surprised if James Gunn ever gives us a straight up. Superman, Batman, Batman, Wonder Woman. Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Justice League. I would be very surprised.

He doesn't really do things like that. So there's going to be a couple of outliers in there. I mean, this is a fertile world from who I love is Just League. We're getting a super family movie next from James Gunn. Let's give you. I want to give you the space, Joe, because you're not fucking with this. He's not being real, bro. He's not being real.

Why? There are, I'm not going to say there are things you have to do, right? I don't think that's fair to say. But if you're going to build a DC universe, you're going to be like, yo, guys, y'all have been through the mud. We're going to get the... He started with Superman. That's the fundamental building block of the universe. If you're going to do that, then keep building the fundamental building blocks.

They're fast-tracking the Wonder Woman movie. You got to figure out the Batman situation. Then you build around those three. Those are your big three dogs. You've been around those guys, even if it's not like a typical lineup. You have to have those three buildings. pillars. Those are the rocks upon you build your church. You're going to tell me, you're going to tell me that it doesn't make sense for him to build around

Wonder Woman, Batman, you're losing your mind. You have the entire DC catalog at your disposal and you're like, actually, we don't want those two dudes. Give me, give me metamorphosis. This man only knows Triangle offense. Let's be serious. Triangle offense, brother. All right. If you could pick any, if you could pick from any freaking NBA player of all time, you got everybody at your disposal. If you put every single NBA player that's player right now

and you said, all right, bet, number one, I'm gonna take Nicolay Elkich, bam, that number two, let me see, give me Jalen Green. Everybody after you, give me Jaylen Green.

You got to be serious. Jaylen Green somewhere in Phoenix right now going, what the fuck just happened, man? Yeah, just like him and Drey. What's fuck me for? Yeah, like, let's be, like, let's be serious.

Like, let's be serious. But you're not being serious. Here's the thing. I get what you're saying. I think the Justice League is a different problem than the Avengers. I think it is very, very hard to make, like, that core six or seven heroes all pop on screen and make sense all at the same time. Because so many of them are like, A, they're way more powerful than the Avengers. B, like, all of their costumes in different ways are very, very hard to render on screen.

And they're all very CGI dependent. And I think God knows that intrinsically, where it's just like, how do you make someone like Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman Flash and Green Lantern all? Yeah, but also you want to break the mold and sell this to us in a different way. This is sad for you.

I've always felt this way. If the Justice League has Superman and Batman, you can put whatever other characters with them that you want. You don't need Wonder Woman? I do. I would like Wonder Woman. Yeah, I do. I do.

But it's like, well, look, So let's add her. If it's Superman, Batman, Wonder Wonder. At that point, yeah. Like, you can do Mr. Territic. I've always liked it when you saw the Justice League and it was Mr. Terrific and Hogman, Hartman. Plastic Man's in there or something.

I've always liked it. And sometimes you only need two of the big three or one of the big three. Sometimes they do a good Justice League and Superman not in there. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, so look, they already did Superman movie. we're going to see the Clayface movie once again Clayface is that that's in Gotham right

I mean I don't see why it wouldn't be okay so guys I'm telling you once again like like once again if Clayface movie is in Gotham that's a direct shot that's him making a Batman movie before he's making a Batman movie he's stepping but they're his quarters but it's the only only quarter he holds a thing

Actually, to be honest with you, it's exactly the same situation as it was between Avon and Marlowe. It's the same thing. Let me tell you what the situation is. Avon was beloved. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is what happened. Okay. So Avon had corners on the streets of West Baltimore, right?

Fall four. Had them corners. Then what happened was Avon moved to the towers. And he was serving so crazy out of the towers and the pit that he didn't need them, that Marlowe was on. Yeah. The towers fell. And when the towers fell, Avon needed to go get his old corners back.

This is what happened between Gunn and D.C. and Batman. DC had Batman, right? Then they left, right? They left. And then Matt Reeves got Batman. Now, James Gunn needs his corners back. And he's trying to remember. Think about how to do that.

how Strigger tried to get the corners back. Strigger had fucking Boady go out there and try to talk to Marlowe. Then he had Bodie go out there and set up down the street for Marlowe. And it all...

The old days is the old. The old days is the old days. They're the old days. It all led to the eventuality of the Barksdale Stanfield War. And so what I'm saying is,

what's happening now is, Clayface is You know Setting up on the Cross the street Up the street But if I'm at least I'll put it to this way

Clayface is going to come out It's going to do what it does It'll probably do What horror movies do Maybe not sinners Supergirl I think will do pretty well I'm assuming Batman The Batman part two is going to do numbers

And I'm going to look at James Gunner Like AOC Oh he'll have to get off his corner He'd Marlow he could like He could Marlow the whole situation If I'm worried brother I'm like, no, no, no, Matt Brees is going to do a third Batman movie. Like, it also, well, what a, okay, so it's going to be, so back to Peacemaker,

this show is going to be an incredible feather in the cap because just think about the, and that's why, I bet they're over the moon that this, um, this premiere is being received so well. Yeah. Because Warner Brothers is on a heater. Yes. Well, Warner Brothers is on that shit. Warner Brothers is like me right now, MLB, the show 25 back at the crib. God.

What's your team? I'm playing with the Dodgers, man. Freddy Freeman is hitting 720 over his last six games. How are the Cubs in your season? The Cubs are fucking pretty fucking. They're hard to beat. Like, P. Crow, I'm strong is the fastest person that's ever lived.

But so, like, they're like me right now. They're on a heater. And so the more momentum they build, the more James Gunn's importance, not just in the DCU, you, but in, Hollywood because think about what Kevin Feigy became. Kevin Feigy became not just a big deal inside the building. He became an institution in the entire town.

And Warner Brothers wants to keep this going. And the more, the numbers that James Gun keeps putting on the board, he's going to be able to kind of dictate kind of what he wants, not just from a creative standpoint, but from a business standpoint inside of Warner Brothers with them coming off of a couple of bad years. But what's interesting to me is when, when I, I was listening to a lot of the James Gunn interviews coming off Superman, he seemed burnt the fuck. That could be true, too.

He seemed tired. He did an interview with Rain Wilson that I read, like, recently. And he said the writing is the easy part. That's the best part. Directing takes all the time in the world. Like, that's the thing that sucks up all the energy out of him. But with Superman saga, what I think is going to be interesting, I think the thing that made Kevin Feigy so successful, there's a list of things,

is the fact that he wasn't the director that it's like that energy that it takes to direct and be on set for two or three years. And I'm like, I thought James Gunn was going to take a little bit more of a break between Superman and whatever the Superman saga is.

I'm like, once he's done writing that, that's another two, three years of his life having to be locked the fucking. And he's already writing it right now. Yeah, it takes you what six months to do that. You can, you, man, he, look, we potted it up. This has been a great episode on the,

Well, we still have one more scene to talk about. Hold on. We still have one more scene to talk about. But as we get back to peacemaker, I'll say, man, you can't take a break now. I know that sounds whack. Yeah, you actually kind of got that. But you, but you, this is like, this is your,

you know, you know, people get in a situation like Pedro Pascal, right? You're going on. Yeah, my number one. I love Pedro Pascal, but whatever, y'all, you'll put me in that position and I'm going to stay. Pedro Pascal, people like Pedro Pascal take a break. You can't take a break right now. No, the money.

Not right now. You can't take a break right now. Strike on iron's hot, baby. Like, there's a time where he's going to be able to slow down, in my opinion, be more judicious about his career. But shit, he's been putting in work. Pedro 50, he's been putting in work in Hollywood for 20 or 30 years. And now you are red hot.

And now you got to go out and do it now so that on the backside of your career, you can take your time and be a little bit more discriminating than the types of roles that you're going to play and all of that. But right now, you've got to go get it. you got to take the chances and the opportunities that are there for you. You got to. Okay.

This show ends with crazy scene. Peacemaker on Peacemaker Battle that ends in the death of the alternate universe peacemaker, which I did not think was going to happen. I thought we were going to get a season of, I don't know why. I thought we were going to get a season of, I thought maybe he would kidnap that peacemaker or trink out that peacemaker or whatever. Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention. But I was legit, when the guy died,

I legitimately had a moment where I was like, fuck, because that's a tragedy for the top trio that we just met. He's going to have to act like one of them. This sets up our peacemaker, prime peacemaker, to have a hell, a hell of a decision to make about which world suits him more. And with how crazy gun is, I could also see a world where we,

we end up in that universe. And just stay there. And just stay there. I thought most of the season was going to be Peacemaker in this universe or a lot of the like B plot, A plot or whatever was going to be like, because I think that also gives like James Gunn the Liberty,

which is like a smart move where it's like he probably wants a lot of the DCU stuff to unfold on screen. So if you go to a little pocket dimension, he could be like weird and kooky and kind of show up ideas. Just show back up in the normal universe. Yeah, no much change. The only problem is he confused it a little bit by bringing the justice game into the prime universe.

If he could have, if he wanted to, very easily, he always does this. He never takes the easy storytelling round. If he was, if he had wanted to, he could have just put the justice gang in everything we just saw in Superman in the universe that we end up in. and be like, we're in a new place. Or even just like, not even that, but just another door. But then again, it undercuts all of the growth that he had in season one with all of those characters prior when you just have a new slate of new characters. It's like there was a Rick and Morty episode where basically there was a character,

suppose for Rick and Morty, like a character basically like dies and then another character just comes in from none of the universe and they bury that old version in the backyard and then nobody says anything else. It's pronounced Barmesean. And then that's it. And then you're like, well, fuck, that's dark and incredibly scary. How do y'all look at Rick and Morty? Pretty easily, actually.

I don't like my cartoons with the side of existential crisis. There's a like, in Universal. I had to tap out of Rick and right. Same, but like occasionally it is profound. No, no, it's a brilliant show. No, yeah. But the ideas are so big. Yeah.

Occasionally, it'll just be like a fun, kooky comedy. And then it'll be another like, okay, are you, if another you replace. you for the rest of your life, are you the same? That's the gamble. That's the gamble I like. One week, it's just like a silly fun rom. And the next one it's like, hmm, what happens if you, everything you know and everything you love is gone? But I mean, it's similar to Rick and Morty, though, what I think is interesting is that so much of superhero storytelling has been revolving around multiversal shenanigans. And it's interesting to see James Gunn where I'm like, oh, I can tell he's a writer because he's even trying to be careful about, like, yes, is a pocket dimension, but

I need to be judicious about how I use this. It always needs to circle back to stories. And also never says multiverse. Never says multiverse. It's like he's being very surgical about being like, no, no, no, yes, this is another dimension. But I think some of the complaints take something like multiverse

of madness. The Elamnadi scene, at this point didn't me shit. It was just a way to be like, this is a multiverse. We're going to show you some cool shit. To get you to come see a movie. To get you to come see the movie. Where it's like, that was like you're coming into peacemaker season two and we obviously have i think seven more episodes left but i do think it's interesting that james gunn seems to be so careful about being like

hey we're not putting too much on this shit we don't want to confuse you and that's probably why i think he didn't want to go the route where he's like hey all this is season two we're actually in the decent view yeah like i think he wanted to be like no what you watch in the first season was important we are not fucking with that even if the canons shit gets a little wonky. I'd rather the cannon ship be wonky than someone like me walking in here and being like, hey, yo, so fuck his season one day matter. We just in a new multiverse.

Now, fuck all this shit. Yeah. That scene at the end is, because I thought he was going to kill him. I think that's the only way it was going to work because I think he has to get back to that universe. At some point, you can't do that if there's another peacemaker walking around. Yeah. So he has either be removed for the universe or deceased. Yeah.

And so what I'm interested to see the rest of the season is how he balances. being in his own universe and that other universe. Because the other universe has, like, obviously, like, he's a hero there. People love him, all this. His brother's there. But also his dad's there, who he knows sucks and is terrible and awful. But he also has his love of this father, which you never had in the real world. Well, it seems like his father is different.

Yeah, a great guy here. He's loving. He's proud of his sons. I get it, but at least for... In the moments that we know him at first meet him, it seems like his dad and his brother and him having... embraced heroism. And...

They beat ultra-humanite. All right. I don't know. I don't know about all that. They was talking about the M. So I was just like... I was like, heroism, you know what I mean?

Like, what does that mean? We'll find out of it. I was like, y'all are better people than in our DCU, but I'm like, there's still some racy, racy. Yeah. But like, so, you know, like him, it's just going to be...

I love shows. where at some point during the show, I legitimately go, well, how the fuck are they going to get out of this? Yeah. Like, and we know they're going to get out in some kind of way, but shows and movies where they get you to a point and you go, oh, there's no, there's, I can't see a way out of this.

Duke's of Hazard Free Spring. They got, they got Roy in there from the office. Oh, yeah, I was like, it took me a second. I was like, it took me a second too. I know that, I know that. You got, you got to beat me too. You know what I'm looking good. You're right.

Also, I'm calling my shot now. Calling my shop right now. She mentions, or Roy mentions, Roy from the office. He mentions that, like, his ex, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm going to assume that's hardcore, right? Yeah. And then he mentions he's dating a jarhead now.

Dating that jarhead, yeah. Dating Rick Flagg, Jr. bringing him back. Oh, shit. He's dating. He's gay? No, he's dating. No, she's, no, Hart. She went to Rick Flagg, Jr.

Who's by? Peacemaker. Oh, Peacemaker. is by it. Yeah, chronically, yeah. But I think hardcore is now dating Rick Flagg, Jr. Oh, he's going to come back and be like, oh, where's my ex-at? He's going to pull up.

Altered Carver and goes back. Not his, not only his ex-girl in this universe, but the guy he murdered in Civilist Squad, it's going to be a mom. He's going, like, pf. Okay, I'm calling right now. That's good. This is good. Jomi, they're prognosticator.

I like this. Actually, you know, you know, if you're right, there people are just going to say that you watch the head. What time? Maybe. Yeah, we didn't watch a head. We learned from Screening Gate. You know, we learn from screen again.

That's a lesson we learned like four years ago. And then at the same time, it's like, fuck y'all. Y'all don't tell them. But also, I would be real, y'all don't be yelling at all these other critics who watch all five episodes. It's only us. They watch all five episodes, and then they pass off their predictions and stuff that they've already seen. That's true. That's a fucking fact.

They do do that. They do do that. How about this? I swear on my dad that I haven't watched anything other than the first episode. I swear. I swear. I promise. I can't say for these niggas.

especially Steve, but I can't say I didn't watch. But there are creators that watch through the entire shit and then they pass off their predictions as shit that they already know is going to happen. To be fair, they don't also get on the podcast and go we watched five episodes.

They don't tell everybody that. But I would say that they also do the thing where they feed you a couple of things that are wrong. Yeah, just to make one or two that are right. Because in this space, we never forget what people got wrong. But we always remember what they got. It's like the opposite of sports. Right.

So it is what it is. By the way, no, I hate you on them. I like that shit. One last question. What's your guys think of the intro dancing? Good, not as good as season. Look, it's not as good as season one. It's fine.

This is season one. It was always going to be worse than season one. I enjoyed it. Tell you what, they got some new talent on the show. That's all I'm saying, baby. They got a new one on the show. Bordeaux? That's one of them ones, niggins.

All right. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry. Like, bro, I noticed it during the panel, but I, you know, I kept my composure because I'm up there. That's one of the ones, okay? That's a, that's a Bix type. All right, let's hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not a big type?

It's, I, that's one. I'm not, shout out to her. That's one. We need time. We need time. We need time. We need time. Even when they're in the office.

And I always think that I'm past this. I always think I'm past. like watching the show or being into a show and wanting to see more of a character just because that character is so unbelievably beautiful. But I'm watching the scene with her and Rift Flag and I'm like, yeah, I want to see more. See more.

Off the rip. She's what she's. Let's spend a day with her. I mean, because that character is from the Checkmate series. I read that as a kid. So I was like, oh, we should give her a little spinoff. Give us an A episode series. A episode series.

A episode series. A episode series. Come on, man. I was the most interesting. Her series. off the motherfucking rip. I want to see what she's going to do. I see the vision.

What she got going on? I want to say her name, though. What's a, what, like, what's the... She plays Bordeaux. She plays Bordeaux. What's the actresses name? Peacemaker's Season 2. Her name is...

Is it Sol Rodriguez? Sol Rodriguez, yes. Sol Rodriguez, yes. Argentinian. She's best known for the role of Micaa and Nickelodeon Latin America series, Grachi. I'm sure you're pronouncing all that right.

Why do you add a little spice to it every single time? Wait, say Naruto one more time. Naruto. Oh, by the way. Oh, she was in Picard. Picard. She was in Picard. Oh, by the way, I'm about to start on my trip.

Last thing I'll say, Cowboy Bebop. Oh, okay. There we go. I'm about, though. I'm going to watch Cowboy Bebop. I don't know if you're going to like Cowboy Bebop. Okay, you gotta try it, though. It's a very slow show.

Everybody said, Cowboy Bebop. It's vibes. Look, man, I ask them. It's a vibe. I do, like, this is why when you recommend people, anime, I'm just like, Cowboy, I love Cowboy Bebibb. You think he could just jump in with the movie? It is a very, it is a very slow. Okay, I do you watch a movie?

If I just watch a movie, I watch the movie. You gotta watch the show. You gotta watch the show. You gotta watch the show. It's like, are you, it is a vibe show. It is just like. Cowboy Bebop? Yeah, it's easy.

It's light. He doesn't, it's fine. Do they have powers? No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. They're just space cowboys. Can y'all? Oh. He's a bounty hunter in space. Yeah.

Oh, I'm in. Have you seen Firefly? I like the, yeah. It's like that. Oh, okay. I'm in. You think you don't love Jet Black. Jet Black?

Oh, he might like Jack Black. He's got to love Jet Black. So let me ask you something. What's an anime movie I can watch a movie where they got powers? Powers? Where they got powers? Yeah, they got powers. Like, oh, man.

just tell me, just give me one. Don't do me that way. I'm seeing, see what you're doing? No, no, no. He has to be, he has to be judicial. It has to be very, like,

yeah, yeah, don't worry, we're working on something. I don't want to give it away. We're cobbling together a list. Okay, we're coming up together with the list. We got to do Cowboy Bebop. So no,

don't do Cowboy Bebop. No, I'm just saying, I think a lot of times what people are recommending anime, they recommending you anime where I'm like, you got to be like,

you got to be involved. You got to get involved with Cowboy Bebop. I started trying to rewatch it and I'm like, this is too lack of day I would fall asleep. It's classic. I love it.

It's one of my favorites. It's a, you know how neon genesis, Evangeli, you was just like, yeah, they would spend like, bummer.

They would spend two minutes on like three frames and you're like, what's going on? Yeah, it's kind of like one of them joints where you're like, it looks pretty,

it looks beautiful. Okay, so then, all right, so then let's start with movies then, no shows. I will get to Cobbo and Bebop. For sure. We're going to come up with a list.

Okay, We're going to start a list. Don't worry about it. We're going to start a movie. We're out of here. That's a wrap this week on the Ring of Verse. The Men Boys covered Netflix's Summer Smash, K-pop Demon Hunters, this week,

The House of Our Feed. They continue their coverage of Alien Earth. Love you, Joe. Love you, Joe. Love you, Joe. And Peacemaker. Our producers are Alia Zanaris and Jay Whaley. Thank you so much to Alley and Jay.

They are really, really awesome and amazing people. Shout to Jay. She invited me to Homecoming. What Homecoming? Oh, the Howard Homecoming. Howard Homecoming. I would love you to go to go to. Oh my God, we got to send the video crew to all the thing.

Oh, my God. Jay, this is your chance. This is your chance to really, really, really, really get the content we like. Steve and Howard Homecoming, you know, Big Wrapped about it, at Howard Homecoming with my man, Cooncombe fucking something. You should know for Steeleau went from 10 G's full blow to 30 Gs a show, or G's with holes you've never seen before. So Jesus, get off the notorious, penis.

So Biggie was out there at Howard Homecoming doing this. thing. So you are the new notorious B-I-G because of that. You're going to go to Howard Homecoming, you will be overwhelmed in the greatest way. You know what, though? I will say this. Don't have too much fun, nigga, because you got to come home. You got to come home. Jay, but

Jay younger than you. Right. So Jay can go out there and still do her thing at Howard Homecoming. Yeah, no. I'm not going out too late. You might be, you might be at a creepy age for the Howard Homecoming. A creepy age? It is kind of, it is weird. It's

suspect when you're like 35 I was going to look 27. You look very young. And that's going to be the problem. The problem is that you look so young when you go out there. I just can't talk about my age. It's going to be at least a cup of them septum ring

chicks that like, well, looking for the first white boy because the septum ring shorties, they very, they fight a lot. But they love them a white boy. Don't get me wrong. So you can't call him the septum ring, bro. I apologize to them. But they got a septum ring. But Steve, you don't have a lot of fun

at how a homecoming. Just, you know, go there. Take it. You should all go. Nah, nah, nah, nah, no. Just me. Just Steve. No trading wheels.

How about if the HBCU maybe wants us to talk on campus, you know, like. There you go. Would love that. You know, talk to the kids, inspire them a little bit, and then we can get into the shenanigans. But we need a reason we there. I'm not, to your point, I'm not. I'm not doing up.

You don't want to. You don't do that. Just for the love of the game. Some Van Wilder shit? I'm too old. I'll go there because even when I, something happens and it hasn't happened quite to you guys yet. Or maybe it hasn't.

I don't know. But you get to a certain age. It's like, for me, I got to a certain age and this is the close of the show. This is supposed to be quick, but it never is. You know, where young people start to look super young. A 22-year-old now looks like a 13-year-old person to me. Yes.

Like, I'm just very, like, I was very, boxing the gym yesterday and, you know, the guys in the gym are younger, they're like, oh, man, we got some bad ones that's in here now. So I'm in the gym that, and I'm boxing, and I look around. I'm like, y'all talking about them? Like, they look like the cheetah girls. I'm not saying that they're not pretty, but they are young. But I have to remember the only's in the boxing gym are young. Yeah. Yeah. So they young. So it's different. Yeah. So Steve, leave these black kids alone. You just got to promise

if the Kappa starts shimmy in, you get on stage and join it. Don't do that. Don't go to Joe. Make sure you're rolling to this. Come on, man. CT, appreciate you, my brother. Jomey and dinner on socials, hashtag,

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