The Ringer-Verse - 'Peacemaker' Season 2, Episode 2 and ‘Alien: Earth’ Episodes 3 and 4 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

The boys are back to talk about the newest episodes of ‘Peacemaker’ Season 2 and ‘Alien: Earth’! They dive into what James Gunn’s weaknesses in ‘Peacemaker’ could be and the many questions ‘Alien: Earth' is asking its audience. Plus, they somehow end up discussing Scrappy vs. Scooby Doo. (0:00) Intro (11:32) Spoilers ahead (13:03) Reactions to ‘Peacemaker’ Season 2, Episode 2 (38:30) ‘Alien: Earth’ midseason check-in (1:19:11) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Olivia Crerie Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Man. Blade situation. we showed Blade the people came out as they do for the Midnight Boys we had a lot of fun. Blade actually is I always thought it was a great movie

seeing it on a big screen for the first time I'm like oh this shit is still fucking Yeah It might be sitting in the group of people man And every time Blade had an iconic line Everybody's clap everybody's cheering Everybody's cheering

Like sitting up hill really brought the house Yeah that was a moment Where motherfugs was cheering They're like five But also there was one line I lost it with what's his face Frost But he looks at it

Blake's his No, he wants that Blade's mom. And he's like, yeah, sister. I was like, shit. I forgot. By the way, the movie campier than you remember. Yeah. When they threw that little girl through that hot dog cart, I lost my.

But also the martial arts, I was realizing. I was just like, oh, they was really doing something. Wes was really doing it. The scene there at the end of the fight where, like, they're kicking at each other. There's changing kicks. Yeah. It was great, man. We had a blast.

Files on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job. job, Jome? Guys, guys, guys, they're aggregating us now. We're made it. Yeah, who's aggregating us? Steve sent me this post of us having the conversation about who's the number one wrestler turned actor. And like, we didn't break that out, but somebody out there in Ether thought it was interesting

enough. We didn't get a tag or nothing. The conversation is most important. They just said, boom, here y'all go. Here's a million views free. A charge. Appreciate y'all, but hey, for real, though, next time, stop playing on our name. We at least got to get a tag or something.

which you're not going to do is use us for free clout that's crazy so they did they put our video up but they didn't tag it didn't tag was the midnight boys thing and um was the you there was in a couple shots yeah you can see it yeah so you guys we got to have like brand name name tags yeah just on our foreheads appreciate you guys um all right we're on youtube like comments subscribe share you can watch every midnight boys in house of our episode on youtube dot com backslash at ring averse and also on spot This week, the House of R dropped their Alien Earth deep dive, which there's a lot to deep dive in this.

This is one of the most deep diveable shows that I've seen, man. The show is very deep. There's a lot of shit going on. I'm like, oh, by the fourth of all, I was like, what the fuck is it? We got to think. Well, it's not even about having to think, you son of a bitch. It's not even about having to think. It's about the fact that the show is every scene is very, very,

Think about, give me another show. You know what? We were talking about Game of Thrones. I was about to say, yeah. You got to put you, you can't have the phone out. There's no second street experience. You got to be like, ah. It's because, A, there's so many characters, but also I'm like, all right, so this one's synthetic and this motherfucker's a cyborg.

And these fucking children and the fucking robot. Like, I'm like, wait, who these motherfuck's? Do you know what happened to me in Game of Thrones one time? It was, do you remember when Ramsey Bowden was acting like he was a good guy at first? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So we were watching the show, and I fell off in some kind of way.

And when I came back, Ramsey was having... What's it? Theon? Yeah. He was having his reek. Oh, right, yeah. Oh, he's Dweeney. His weenie cut off. I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Because, like, I guess that was either a couple of episodes where he was torturing him or whatever. and I even had missed something was going on I was behind or whatever and the next time I saw him he was the worst person in the world when he had tried to help him escape at first

that was like that was a moment with the show where I was like all right y'all niggas doing too much like I was like who did you guys hate more Bolton or Joffrey

so this is interesting I post this on Twitter some time ago and everybody feels so strongly about either guy I think Ramsey easy Ramsey. Because I am more fearful of like a villain that's super, super fucking smart and could get shit done. Joffrey was an idiot who had power and was essentially just utilizing it, but he was an idiot.

Like, Rams, I was like, there was points on. I don't know if they could beat this motherfucker. If anything, Joffrey just made me hate the people around him for not smacking him. That is why Joffrey to me was worse. And Ramsey was definitely more dangerous. Absolutely. Sure. That's not even close.

Ramsey was definitely more dangerous. Because Ramsey was a dog with them hands. Ramsey was smart. With the dolls, Ramsey was ruthless. I didn't even think John Snow, I was worried John Snow couldn't eat. If he didn't have it.

Because John Snow wasn't the smartest tool in the shed. I'm like this, my fuck, about to run circles around. I would disagree. I feel like John Snow at every point was like, hey, guys, here's what we should do. And people would go,

no, John, here's what we're going to do. And then John will be proven right again. That's wrong. No, John Snow literally fell into the track of the Battle of the Battle of the Battle. Literally, his sister had to save. Yeah, John was about to die out there with that big ass sword. And he thought he could literally take on the whole army, which to his credit.

I mean, he already died. He's all right, man, whatever. I'm going to die again. Once again, you know why he died? Why did he die? Because he didn't see the shit coming. Yeah. They outflanked.

What are you talking about? They outflanked him. He didn't see the shit. I'm not saying he was. stupid. I'm saying that like he wasn't it wasn't up here. If we're going to be honest, he was in his heart.

I blame the genocide of all the Westeroces. His girl, his honor whatever, burning these motherfuckers on him. I'm like, he's sorry. He was like, ooh. You know, John was still, that wasn't his thing. He was a leader of men and he made decisions that were based

in ethics. Yes. Which is why you could get behind it. But the reason why I think that it's Joffrey is because nothing scarier to me than the all-powerful idiot that's protected by the power structure underneath him.

Just a dude that could do whatever he wants and never has any fucking consequences, right? Like, he was just a big child that could break whatever he wanted to break, right? And so that to me, and his cruelty, the fact that there was no consequence for his

cruelty, until he gets taken out eventually, that was just chilling to me. Like, you know, like a fucking Wall Street fucking coaked up banker who could do whatever he want, hurt people, whatever, and then nothing ever happens to him. Like, you know, what they say Baron Trump does.

Do you think that the Jophrie of it all, we would be like, oh, this is two cartoons because it would just remind us of our world now. We're just like, yeah, just like a child in office just destroying shit and nobody below him being able to like. Yeah, there's so many joffery. Geoffrey was just kind of around there doing that, but like his cruelty and the fact that he was actually Embrent crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Inbred crazy, different crazy. It's got to be. Embret crazy. I know Embraint crazy, different crazy. Embrand crazy, different crazy. I'm saying, if you go to school with him in Louisiana, you see some of them every now and again. Like somebody going crazy, they throwing stuff, hitting people with pencils stabbing them.

You know the protractor? Okay. Tell you sure. There was a kid that took that protractor. You know that protractive? Oh, yeah. You stabbed somebody with the protractor. Wait what?

In what grade? This was maybe like six or seventh grade. So it had to be seventh. Right. Took the protractor stab somebody with the protractor blood everywhere. I tell my daddy about that. My daddy goes, yeah, his parents are cousins. So when they do that, my daddy said, rest and peace to dad.

He said, you ever seen a deer with fucked up antlers? Oh, right. All right. Let's get to the show, bro. We do it too much. Let's get to the show. That's crazy. A true outdoorsman, that's the metaphor that he goes for.

I got to tell the story. My daddy said, we would see a deer with fucked up antlers. And I'm like, yeah. He was like, well, son. the antlers of the deer get fucked up sometimes because if you over-harvest the land or if you

fuck the land up with building roads and stuff then you'll push all the deer into one area and then those deer will inbreed and it'll fuck the racks up you'll get a deer with fucking four points over here and one point over here you'll get a spike and like whatever nubs, fucked up racks,

all kinds of stuff. It's like that's inbree. and he was like, well, that happens to people too. And he was like, you can't see, but he was rat fucked up. It's a crude but accurate metaphor. It works. This is so much. Unfortunately, it works. That's tough.

Did the whole town know that? No. No. No. They didn't know. This was funny. They didn't know at all. And that was the funnier part of it because he would tell me something like that.

And he'll be like, now look, you can. keep that to your fucking self. Don't run around here telling everybody that this boy's right. He just tells you those horrible stuff that I don't say that to anybody.

He was like, I don't want to get no teasing. It's not his fault. It's not his fault. Next time I know, next time you was at school, he was looking at him. He looked at him.

I didn't see him again. Like, they kicked him out of school. He was done. Yeah, he's done with the pro tractor. You see him around the neighborhood every once in the game, but he took the protractor and just

stab somebody in the leg with the protractor. They thought they hit the artery in the leg that it was very, very fucked up. It was very fucked up. Like squirting blood? My fuck-funk's like, well, I didn't see that. The only thing that I saw, I didn't see the part with the blood would have squirted it.

The only thing that I saw was by the time it was kind of calming down and they had him into the lockers and he was doing like this. I was like, yo, what the fuck is happening? Oh, Jesus. Anyway. Racks all messed up, man. Fucked up, Brax.

We're going to start using that. Fucked up racks. Fucked up racks. Some of these people got fucked up man. What's the racks? Today, how far?

Oh, yeah, we're still a program reminders, my bad. This thing is a fucked up rack. Brow. Get the program of reminders, bro. We just started.

This is great. We do it. Peace maker. Yeah. Oh. Jesus. Peacemakers 1-1. Oh, Steve.

We're getting ready to talk about Peacemaker. Aye, it's an alien. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Okay. Peacemaker, episode two reactions. We're going to get into it really quickly.

Honestly, guys, this was kind of a catch-a-breather episode of Peacemaker. we're going to give you probably a little bit more of a denser recap on alien earth. Before we do any of those, you got to do the Midnight Manifest, Chuck. All right. Your Midnight Manifest for Peacemaker's Season 2 episode 2, A Bird is Only as Good as His Bird, directed by Greg Matola, written by James Gunn. In a flashback, we see the moment Rick Black Sr. He's appointed as the head of Argus, and thus has the clearance to learn that

peacemaker killed his son. Flagg puts Bordeaux and Economos in charge of monitoring peacemaker, and thus the father's long-term revenge mission. And the present, our peacemaker, has to get rid of the alternate universe. his peacemaker that he killed in the previous episode, Chris ropes in vigilante to help him dispose of the body, but out of bio informs Chris that he's being monitored by Argus and shouldn't use his father's dimensional portal anymore. Langston Flurry or Tim Meadows is partnered with Economos to monitor her peacemaker.

In the episode's big set piece, eagerly defends peacemakers' home from Argus when they decide to do a sweep, and after a difficult conversation with Harcourt, Peacemaker decides to go live in the better dimension. That has been your very, very short, Midnight Manifest for Peacemaker. So my question to you then, you kind of already teased it a little bit. This was more of a like breather episode. I think the pilot, or not the pilot, the first episode, introducing us to this world, making it clear how connected this is to Superman and the current DCU.

Do you feel like maybe that was the smartest choice to make the second episode seem so much more like a, all right, let's catch our breath. I was almost like, oh, this is slow down. Well, I never like it when shows do this. I never like it with shows end on this gigantic thing and then let's get you back into the world. I would rather a little bit more adrenaline than the show after that sort of get us back or connect us back to the characters

or take a breather as you'd say. Not a bad episode of television. I enjoyed it. There's one part of it I didn't enjoy. When there's not much going on, when it's just you know litigating the character's relationships

is when James Gunn is at his worst to me really? Yeah because some of the stuff it's like look I can have a conversation we can have a very very very controversial conversation about certain directors

that have that were better filmmakers where certain monsters were certain monsters were working with them them, right? And how there's a couple of guys out there that, like, honestly, just overwrite scenes because people that they worked for, there were terrible, terrible people in the past could edit them and stop them from doing stuff.

But, like, there are a couple of times in this second episode where I wish there was somebody who had the clout to be able to tell James Gunn that it's not all about the next line. That is not that you know, the guys got bird blind. It's cool. It's a funny thing, right? But like that whole thing, if you're not rolling over the poor laughing at

some of these scenes, then some of these scenes kind of don't work. And in an episode where it's more just people talking because remember, James Gunn does two things well. He does people talking into great action, right? Yeah. If you think about it, when the guardians all meet each other,

it's all of this funny banter that gets you into the escape scene. It gets you into all of this, the things that happen in the movie. There's always something, but in this one, there's none of that. So there were times where the episode annoyed me. Right.

It's kind of James Gunn wheel spins in the most annoying way possible to me, where he finds a thing that he feels is very funny. And I can tell because he leans into it very much. And the birdblindness thing is, yeah, but like this was actually kind of indicative of like late stage Peacemaker Season 1 for me when people will just be arguing in a van for

five minutes thinking that it's like some kind of like riff on a like somebody's name or an argument that's like juvenile and supposed to be fun but I'm like okay we can like actually have a meaningful like plot development but you know some of that worked

it does the reason why some of that worked during that season was because they would be talking about their plan or they're literally like building something as they're arguing. Right. And then Peacemaker would say or do something stupid. In this episode, it's really just more about like catching

up to where everybody is and all of that stuff. And so there's not as much meat on the bone here. So all that other stuff really stuck out to me. I was like, stop it and let's get to something. Also, everything they were kind of showing us about the characters, I felt that they had already covered in the

first episode where it was like they were giving us more depth, but to your point, it was just like, I don't know. if I need to see Harcourt yelling at somebody in the pharmacy because she's like tripping about everything that's happening. I'm just like, no, I get that. Yeah, we saw that. We saw like Audubio like arguing

with her girlfriend and all that you. I'm just like, no, no, no, I get that she's on the outs. That is not the most interesting thing that's happening in this season to me. But I also think that something I've been wondering is is this too much for one

man to write in such a contained amount of time? Where you think about, like, he wrote all of Superman and directed it. I'm almost positive he wrote all eight episodes of peacemaker, if I remember correctly. And I'm like, so that's what? That's eight hours of television. And then a two-hour movie,

most people like, there's going to be some slippage. And in this, I felt, I was like, oh, you're just kind of hitting the same comedic beats and the same narrative, pulling on the same narrative strings over and over again. It's the same guy. This is like what he does, though. This is like he's playing to his strengths. But then again, when you're making the movie and then you watch

the, how many episodes, two episodes. Yeah, it's the same guy. He does, I'm not going to sit here and say James Gunn as a one-trick point. I don't think that's fair. But when you're, it's like listening to a Drake over the years. Like, it's going to start to all flow together. It's all going to sound the same. When you watch the movie and you watch the show written by the same guy who does

the same thing as a lot of the time, yeah, it's always going to feel very similar. So I can see why you'd be like, all right, bro, we've seen this before. Do you feel like the material is stretched a tad too thin, though? because I think I can, like, not to, like, project and see where we know the show's going, but, like, obviously there's a pervasive force here. This ends at a very interesting beat where, okay, he's living in the new alternate dimension. This is probably going to, like, either blow up in his face or he's going to like something and keep wanting to stay or come back.

That indulgence is going to come back and propel the plot forward. But in a way where he doesn't exactly know what to do in the margins, that seems to be a bigger weakness, at least in the second episode, and it could get long in the tooth if this is the rest of the season. I think maybe, maybe, let me try to throw James and bail here. Well, we're gonna talk,

there are positives about the episode. Right, yeah, yeah. But I think in terms of just, like, talking about, like, Will, spending, whatever. I think we, we go in episode one and we understand, like, kind of what the issues of these characters are. Chris Smith is, like, this life sucks.

I don't want to kind of, I don't want to be here. Rick Flagg, Sr. is like, this guy killed my son, but I, like, like, I got to find something to get on him. Ida Bio wants something more for her life that isn't taking orders for somebody. And Harcourt wants to find purpose other than being, like, a killer or whatever. And I think this episode kind of, like, cemented that for the folks.

John Cena comes in, he's like, you know what? I'm going to, I can't use this portal. I'm going to try and live my life past that. Oh, actually, it's actually worse than I thought. I might have to go back to life. Adabaya comes to her place and she's like, the girl, her ex is like, yo, like, she says I love you and her ex is like a size, right? Like, that's done.

That's over with. Rick Flagg, Sr., we find out, like, he knows exact, like, what happened to his son, Rick Flagg, Jr. And what propels him to watch Chris Smith. I think this particular episode, just like, we figured, like, we knew. what these characters are doing, like we had an idea, but now they're on the track. Now they're, like, fully on their way to do whatever it is that their motivations are this season. And so, you know, over the next episodes, we'll see.

Where it's like, we learn how fucked up everybody's life is in the past. So whether, like, or in the present, so whether they go to the past or they go to the future, like, things always line up the same. Or you're going to see, like, how hardcore's life changed or, Atabio's life. And James Gunn was using this episode to be like, I got to actually like, show you on screen everything that's happened.

So when he goes to the other universe and you see Ata Bio, you're just like, oh, maybe she's with someone and they're happy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's the complete opposite to try to show you the differences between the universe. Maybe. Maybe. Probably.

At least as a plot device early on. I think what I'm looking at is, the evolution of peacemaker as what he's going to be. Which when you think about it, the first episode was kind of us re-indulging into what the character actually is. Remember he's talking to Maxwell Lord?

And it's almost as if James Gunn was saying through Maxwell Lord's character, don't forget everything that this guy's done. I know that he's funny. I know that he's silly. I know that you see him as John Cena, but I want you to remember in the suicide squad, this guy was an asshole killer

who used violence indiscriminately to achieve a goal, right? And as we're watching him go through all of these things, I think James Goh wants you to stay with that tension and then make this alternate universe the actual thing that makes peacemaker into a character that is a hero that we can have some sort of affinity for and make us forgive him for his past. Whatever's going to happen there,

whatever decisions he's going to make there, however this is going to affect him, this will be the final metamorphosis of that character into a heroic, vulnerable, relatable character. Well, he'd literally, like, killed himself and he had to, like, burn his old self in the beginning of this episode.

Like, maybe there's, like, some to that, to your point, this is, like, a different peacemaker. Did I miss here? Because it was, like, also the thing that you always that is always part of these like alternate universe stories is I didn't his dad when like

he goes to the other universe is like are you back on those pills or something like that or is like Chris back on like I was just like oh so is what this is leading to being like oh on the surface this is a perfect world but there is something in Chris and peacemaker throughout all of these universes

that is the same like there is something whether it's the pain whether it's the way his racist father is raising him There's a conductive tissue. The dead peacemaker asks no questions before he starts trying to kill our peacemaker. He doesn't do what heroes doing that situation is point the gun and go,

who are you, what are you? He screams at what he is and then starts trying to kill him. So the kill that is made from our peacemaker to the alternate deceased peacemaker is a righteous kill for all intents and purposes. It's a defense of your,

it's a self- defense accident type of killing. So even though it still ends in this violence that the character's very familiar with, it almost was from a vulnerable standpoint, which is what they're trying to do with this season.

Make the character vulnerable and accessible. He'll be a walking open wound in this new universe. Gonna see his dad, a loving version of his dad, a loving version of his brother. Maybe we'll figure out what they think of him actually,

your point. Maybe we'll figure out that he, the peacemaker that died was actually more like the older peacemaker from the suicide squad than we thought he was. And maybe he won't want to be that guy. Maybe he'll

change things and things will be different and he'll realize that who he is and everything that's made him is more served, is better served in his actual reality than going to try to be something else.

No, I mean, it's always going to end up with, like, the grass isn't always green on the other side. Maybe. And so even though, like, this life seems perfect, there's something underneath it that just isn't worth it. It's ultimately, it's going to be better served him being with the universe that he's originally called. Did you guys expect a more, when we were in, when I was in the theater, when I saw

Superman, peacemaker got like, like, it was like, oh, yeah. And I was just like, I was like, are people? cheering because he's peacemaker or are people cheering because that's John Cena and people love John Cena. And after the first episode, I think there was, I heard a lot about like just the ties to the DCU, but I was like, do you think that in these two episodes, James Gunn has done enough to keep the momentum from Superman going of people being like, yeah, this is like the next chapter in the DCU? Because the first episode made me feel like that. And then the second episode made me feel like, oh, no, this is just another season of peacemaker. I think he did that on purpose.

I don't think that you want, I don't think that you want the momentum from Superman to carry out through this entire show because you want a distinct exploration of this character in this world. So I think he reminded people in the first episode, which is probably why this one felt like a little bit more of a pause

because he was re-grounding this. He reminded people in the first episode that all this takes place in this world. And then in the second episode, it was like, this is their story. Yeah, not the story of, what happens with the justice gang or what happens with Superman or what this is their

story. So let's reoriented to their story. And it was kind of jarring. It was a good episode, but kind of an episode where things take place but don't really happen. I'll say something else. I did not like Tim Meadows' character that much. I don't think you're supposed to.

No, no, no. I know what you're not. I wasn't like, oh my God, he's so funny and all of that stuff. Didn't quite work for me in this episode, which I think that if it would have probably worked better, I love Tim Meadows. But if it would have probably worked better, maybe I do love Tim Meadows. But I don't know if bird blindness wasn't one work for you? The bird blindness shit, like, I was like, that was enough. It was, it ought to be real because I thought this way when I saw James Gunn at the panel where I'm like, you think you are the funniest person on the, like, and here's the thing.

He can write very humorous dialogue. But there is a moment to your point earlier where I'm just like, even the best conventional. comedians have editors. There's a Jerry Seinfeld, there's a Larry David. There's someone who is like in your orbit who might not be the guy on camera. It was just like, hey, we can, you know, and I just, I could tell that this was all written by one minute. Like, I was just like, yeah. Like, nobody told you the shit was whack?

Yeah. Well, I mean, the, I don't know that it was whack. I just think, well. The bird fly the shit was a little bit. It's not even that it's whack. It's just like, it was just kind of corny. Well, it's a certain purpose of the story. because they keep leaning in.

It's the fact that like, okay, that's a funny one-off thing that you don't mention again or maybe it comes back far off in the distance as a callback. It's a funny idea that... But like, you don't need to lean into it for five minutes. They belabored a little bit. But look, once again,

you know, it's funny being in the situation with the podcast where we go through every episode of a show and then we react to it, right? Because there is every episode of a show and then there is the whole show.

Right. Yeah. And I think that the narrative ground that's being laid in this show could make for something that's really awesome.

But to Charles's point, stuff is going to have to happen. We're going to have to be in traction. We're going to have to have dramatic stakes. We can't just fuck around and joke our way through six more episodes. And if they try to, to do that, the season's going to end up

being a failure. Here's the thing. I don't think that they're going to do that. And like, you know me. Like, I'll be the first aid. Like, fuck, this shit, did, do, da, da. I didn't feel that this episode was bad. Like, I was just like, oh, this is just like a middle of the road episode of a sitcom where it's just like, I wasn't mad at it. I was like, cool, but I was like, nothing happened.

And I'm just like, that's the thing that we're always going to have to balance where it's just like, you have these comedic elements of the show. But, like, super, like, the dumb thing that, like, comic book writers and artists always complain that editors tell them is just like hey yo Batman got to punch a motherfucker at one point in this comic you know what I'm saying like there is a level of like a promise where it's like we can get deep we can have jokes

we can get emotional but at some point some common book shit got a kind of like that the world has to happen and if it doesn't I'm gonna be like and we're slightly if we're being honest we're slightly more interested in the alternate reality than we are in the one that we spent the whole season with now yeah where things where a lot of things seem resolved where nothing that's really surprising. We kind of want to know, we kind of wanted to go back there a little bit and see how things were going to shake out.

We didn't towards the end. The scene with her and the lady in the pharmacy literally made me mad. That was a moment where I was like, it's annoying. I get it. Like, I get it, but it was, I do get it. And maybe it was a clear out for a hardcore,

but I was yelling at that lady at the scream, like, you're talking to the wrong. person. Like that lady right there. Or maybe there was something more to be gleaned from that. Maybe we were supposed to come away from that scene feeling like Harcourt is more like the woman that the lady is actually explaining. Sure. Like, or maybe maybe she's not as calloused over as we think that she is, but it was just annoyed before. And everything went on. Just a hair too long. A beat and a half too long. Yeah. That's and that's my A number one problem when it comes to like, if James Gunn ever annoys me, it's for that reason. It was like,

There was even important, like, I like Vigilantee. I think he's funny. He's a perfect example of a character where I'm just like, yo, just spring. I wanted more of him. You need more of him. I don't think we've gotten enough. I don't think we've gotten enough. Everybody else is so sad and so dower.

Every joke is like, oh, man, my life sucks, zada-a-da-da. And Vigilante's life suck too, but at least he looked like to get a lot of the right. He pops up. It's like Scrappy do for me. I'm like, all right. All right, dog. Why do you play on Scrappy Degon-I do. I don't think there's been a love.

Scrappy do sucks. Scrappy doo. You like scrappy doo. I don't mind scrappy doo. That explains so much. You're a scrappy doo, savior. You stand for scrappy doo?

I don't know. He's over-hated. No. Why don't you just stand by it? You like that nigga. You can stand on it, Steve. I could like Scrappy do's number one shooter. I've never heard of anyone say.

Can I be honest with you? I don't mind them either. Yeah. All right, man. All right, man. I'm being for real. That's a little fucked up that you don't like us. I've always liked them.

I'm, I've always liked them. I'll tell you why, man. Because Scrappy's about that action. First of all. He's like a, he's a little nigger. You know who Scrappy do is kind of like? Scrappy do is basically Kendrick Lamar.

No, don't do this. Don't do this. That is so discused. All right, man. Scrappy do is like a hater looking for a fight. Well, no. he's looking for a fight, that's for sure. But he's a...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is white, terrible. Boy? This is terrible. Did you just call Kendrick Lamar for a hater looking for a fight? White man? I don't...

I was about to call you the barrel without the... Like, like, like, explain. Kendrick Lamar is a hater looking for a fight? No, I was more so relasing, relating that to Scrappy Doe. Bullshit. What are you talking?

You got to stand on it now. You got to stand on it. Lock in. I said, obviously. Doe was like Kedrick Lamar and you said, I don't know if he's a hater

looking for a fight. Talk your shit. I don't exactly. White person. Okay. Yes. Like, it started before Kendrick. That beef started before Kendrick.

What beef? Between him and Drake. Okay. The Jay Cole, first person shooter, etc. Tell me what. Like, that doesn't make him looking for a fight.

He was standing up for that. Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is Kendrick Lamar, true or not, would you refer to Kendrick Lamar as a hater looking for a fight? Because that is profound. Because it's a whole bunch of people in Toronto right now. It's when, yeah, Corotie, that's wrong. Like, you're going to get love.

That's what I'm talking about. You're spot on. You're not saying? So is that how you, that's how you look at Kendrick? No, no. That's what it sounded like to me. Scrappy doing. Because Scrappy is looking for a fight.

Scrappy doing show up to 2002. He was all aware in the 80s. And bring him back. Right? From 79 to 86. Only seven years. Wait, wasn't he a villain or the James Gun Scooby-Doo live action movie? Was he?

He might have been. Might have been. But this is my thing about Scrappy. What I liked about Scrappy is I knew a bunch of scrappy dudes growing up. Little dudes that'll put something on your ass. Scooby was my guy. But Scooby kind of a bitch-ass ass. nigga, you know what I'm saying?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, all those kids wanted to do is be nice and solve. Stop. What are you talking? Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, wait. What did you just say? Scooby's a coward.

All right, bro. All right, man. I mean, he is. Well, there's a difference. Shaggy is a rate of literally everything. No, no, no, there's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is so. There's a difference. Wait. This is so disrespectful. I need people in the back. It's not a defining part of Scooby Doo's character. Is that he's scared?

jumps into Shagie's Yeah, but he's not a bitch. He's a coward. Scooby a coward. And by the way, he's a coward. That's a part of it. Scooby a coward.

There's a fucking ghosts running around. You know who not scared to the ghost? Scrappy. Scrappy not scared of the ghost. Now, y'all don't like Scrappy because Scrappy might be a little bit about that action too much. My God.

And the CIA told y'all that it was okay to be which is why he made Scooby the lead character of the show when the actual nigger about it like that. Scrappy do, scrappy dizzle. Okay?

I don't know. This is so disgusting. You need to see him as I am planning because Shaggy and Scooby want to smoke they weed, live a peaceful-ass fucking life, and maybe help the citizens of their, of their fucking city from all the fucking adults running around. But they don't want to do that.

But they don't want to do that. That's not what's good. Y'all not remembering the shit. Yeah. They are in the mystery machine. They're in the mystery machine. They're providing a service. And they never want to go out and do mysteries.

Yeah. They never want to do it. No, no, no, no. They want to go carding and then something happens upon it. Hold on, right. Can I, okay, listen. Scooby and Shaggy never want to do mysteries. It is Velma, Fred, and Daphne.

Yes. That want to do the mysteries. Scooby and Shaggy are always like, can we not do this and go have some fun and go smoke some weed? Easy. They don't want to do the mysteries. They don't want to do nothing. They're actually being peer-pressured into doing this whole deal.

And so they're going along with it. And just by accident, like fucking inspect the gadget, they end up being useful. Mr. Moodoo. But also, here's the thing. Isn't that why they're on the team? To me, they're not bitch-made because I'm like, hey, you could be scared. You could be cowardly, but you always get it done. They always, at the end of the episode, I'm like, you, like, without y'all, we won't have been shit.

They got a good track record, yes. Every single episode is done. Velma is the one that's figuring all of this dumb ass shit out, y'all. What happened when she losing her fucking glasses? Where are my glasses? Wear my glasses. It's Shaggy and Scooby keeping shit moving. I'm telling you right now, the fact that Shaggy and Scooby are cowards is undeniable.

It's a part of this. The fireworks. The cowards. Are they bitches? They're bitches. No, they are not. No, they are not. They're bitches and they're disrespectful.

And they... Respect. Respect. What they ended up doing is they end up running away and falling. into a positive outcome but I can tell you who not a bitch and who not a coward Scooby Little Cousin

Now y'all don't like scrappy And that's fine I get it how you can be You know what's Because you know I'm gonna be real with you The little niggas that always want to fight

They always annoying We never Hey hey bro Get from around me I'm out to like We play basketball Hey let's go find a nigga fuck up

No They're like They always annoying So y'all right He is annoying But I fuck with him Because I fuck with actual niggins. This is the most toxic blackmail shit ever.

This is terrible. How? How? You championing the motherfucker who we got... Who not? Who not scary? We got Daph me up in here. We got some weed.

This motherfucker. Like, I'm like, shut the fuck up. Chill. We eating. We eat snack. Like, can you calm down, motherfucker? No, that's not what they're doing. They, I'll tell you something.

Another reason why I like Scrappy is because Scrappy embodies the black man to me. Oh, wow. I'll tell you why. Whoa. Because you got all these white kids looking for guns. I'm Scrappy, the only one that else speak up. Like, Scooby is really... I'm not going to lie, bro.

Scooby, the white man's nigger, bro. What? I do that. I do that was coach. I do that was coach. Jesus Christ. All right, before we go to Alien Earth, let's start a quick commercial break.

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Right. All right. We are back with the midnight manifest for Alien Earth. We're covering two episodes. Cavaliers hell bent on getting the alien specimens back to the island,

but Wendy and Hermit are struggling against a full-grown xenomorph. Wendy eventually kills the monster, but both her and her brother sustained major injuries and fame. Smeans slightly are cornered by the cyborg Morrow, who realizes the two are more

than typical synthetics for cyborgs. The two boys are then saved by Kirsch, but not before Morrow plants a communication device on Slightly. Prodigy replaces Hermit's damage along with a mechanical one, in the process making him more of an indentured servant to the corporation. Wendy is developing a symbiotic relationship with the aliens being able to hear their language while also feeling their pain.

As the episode progresses, it becomes clear that the hybrids are starting to diverge in their growth. Curley wants to be Boy Cavalier's favorite in hopes that one day matches intelligence. Slightly isn't manipulated by Morrow to get him a specimen, but realizes that he also misses human connection and family. The cyborg threatens his family if he, He doesn't affect a human on the island with the xenomorph, while Nives thinks she's pregnant with a child and grows violent when her caretaker tries to convince her. That's biologically impossible.

By episodes, and when he learns how to communicate and react to the alien implanted in her brother's fate, old lung, and slightly plots to use Hermit in order to save his family from Moreau. That has been your midnight manifest for Alien Earth. All right, guys, we are doing a mid-season check-in. I will start with you then. Where are you at with the show, especially like halfway through, me it is an explosion of ideas and themes and to me

I'm like this is not just an alien show this is like y'all are putting that you're all put in the kitchen sink in the fucking y'all remember devs? You watch devs? You watched devs? I don't watch this no. Train cars. So I think you should watch that. I would be interested

to see what you thought about devs. Okay. So Dez is a good show but Dez was relentless in what it was doing. It was dense, it was packed full There was subterfuge at every turn

There was this, there was that There were, there were normal human dynamics going on But there were also these huge existential questions That were being asked I haven't been that in the middle of a show In terms of like the walls around me Since Alien Earth Alien Earth is asking for a lot, bro

It's a good show It's a good show But it's asking the shit ton I almost, before I sit down to watch an episode of Alien Earth, I'm almost like, whoa, okay. Yep. Like, limber up, let's go. Let's go.

And maybe that's the type of TV that we need right now. But I could see, I'm having fun with it, but I could see how somebody would say that this show just isn't very much fun. I mean, it's not a ton of fun, I would say, but it is interesting. I think the thing that the show does really well is that the stuff we claim for, like the alien stuff, it's just, it's a lot of show and not. tell, right? So, for example, like, all the stuff with the xenomorph and Wendy is just happening, right? She can hear the alien, and at the end, the little chest brusher comes

out and she's talking to it. Like, we're just seeing that. Whereas, like, all the big ideas and all the stuff that, like, we're, like, interested in in terms of the larger world is the stuff that Boy Cavalier and Kirsch talk about. Well, exposition dumps that. All, like, all that stuff is like, oh, okay, like, that's like, to make the world larger. We know what we're getting with the alien for the most part. There are some new ideas on that front, but just making the world bigger in terms of, like, the five corporations, the five seats, hybrid, synthetics. It's the corporations.

It's, it's, it's, fucking Peter Pan. It's what's alive. It's what's dead. It's not just not our xenomorph. It's like, okay, I had to reorient myself where I'm like, okay, yeah, there's the eye alien with the cat, but then there's the other fucking Ali,

like there's like, right, there's just so much happening and sometimes I'll be honest, I am more interested when is Timothy Olafan talking to like, talking to those kids,

talking to the kids, but he's just not in the show very much. I know. Yeah. When he's, when he, that part, he's not,

listen to what I'm saying, it's like, for the Timothy Olaphant of things, he's just not in it. This ain't just, Super ton. Yeah.

I mean, but he's not, it's not his show. It's Wendy's show. Yeah. But I, and also this is, I'm in the middle on this

because to your, like, I like the show, even though I don't think it's like a fun watch. Sometimes I'm like, oh, this is fascinating in terms of just like the hybrids. And what does it mean to be adult?

What does it mean to be a child? What does it mean to be a human? But then there are some points where I'm like, you got adults acting like kids. This is a little. It's a little. much. Like, I kind of love this show because, again, a lot of these things are

very big swings, and it does ask a lot. And sometimes it rides a razor's edge of a suspension of disbelief for me, because especially with the adults talking like kids, it can fuck with you a bit, but I think the ideas and the things that they want to put forward in the show,

I really, really respect. Because it's getting me thinking about not only what aliens is and, like, a lore-based examination of, like, okay well what can this corporation do with a xenomorph and three other aliens that'll probably fuse in some way to make some other terrible thing but it's like okay what are like what does corporate oppression mean when the super trillionaire genius is bored by the child consciousness that he just

put in six kids or six robots but hey a xenomorph's here i'm more focused on that fuck that fuck the kids. I'm worried about wanting to talk to aliens now. What does that mentality mean? And that's the kind of things that the show is interested in talking about and not in overt ways. He wants to like the race for the favorite is a thing that he wants to like kind of like tweak and play with. That was like a very interesting conversation. I think he's just a sick.

He's just a sick out. Like that's part of it. He is. But it's again, the ways that like that we hate Joffrey of like the people that don't smack this. idiot or like psycho person that wants to play with all of these ideas about humanity and like we know that he's going to be letting these aliens out and leading all of these people on the space to their destruction but what does a mentality of like corporate overlords and geniuses that we allow to take

over our ways of thinking what do we let them get away with that's what the show is really doing because like we see in like the fourth episode we have these two scientists talking about like he's not doing anything scientific. He's just breaking things and we have to pick them up. And he's like, no, but that's why he's so ahead. Let me ask you guys a question. What is the central question

that you feel like this show is asking? I'm going to be a robot, not a robot. I think that is actually the problem because I could not tell you. Like in the beginning when we were talking about comparing Andor to Alien Earth, I think most people would have this. Like, Andor is about

what does it mean to be like an empire and a tyrannical like that? What does it mean to be free? What does it mean to be free? Like it is showing you like the price of freedom. The price of freedom and what you have to do to go about getting it. Yes, you said it beautifully. When I think about alien earth, there's a couple strands. It's like what does it mean to be human?

What does it mean to be a robot? Is that the central question? Is the central question, what does it mean to be? I think that's what it's going. That's where we're getting at. But here's the thing. What trips me up. is like, perfect example, if they were using Pinocchio as the book, I'd be like, yeah,

okay, that makes sense. Pinocchio is about what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be a real boy? They're using Peter Pan as the big metaphor of at least this season. And I'm like, okay, so is the central question, what does it mean to be a child versus what does it mean to be an adult? Because they say, I think, something in the fourth episode where one character goes, being an adult is a constant test, where I'm just like, oh, when I saw it.

When I saw that line, I was just like, oh, okay, that's something you're interested in. But they're still interested in the humanity part of it. Well, I think it's, I think being an adult is accepting your humanity. Like, it's, so one thing that was always interesting to me about Peter Pan is I always looked at it as a bunch of cursed children. Mm-hmm. Like, that their, like, eternal childhood is a curse even now. For people whose development is arrested, I always pitied them when I looked at them.

There were so many things that are fundamental about life and growth that they weren't going to be able to explain. That's kind of the central thing between Peter and Wendy. Like Wendy is going to get older, and Peter is not. And her entire understanding of life is going to change. But it's going to become more precious. It's going to become more delicate.

She's going to deepen her understanding. of her condition by that. And the lost boys don't get that. They get to fight Captain Hook in perpetuity and fly around and all of that stuff. But they're actually in hell as far as I'm concerned. I used to fuck up classes when I was a kid, be like, who would want to be a kid forever? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean?

And so I haven't thought about this, but if, in fact, the show is asking litigating humanity in different ways, Morrow, who's my favorite character on the show? Morrow's awesome. And like what he wants and these kids who are cyborgs and whether or not growing is humanity, what it means to be a human being on earth with five corporations controlling the earth and sort of dictating what it is. I really can't answer the question. Well, what I think is interesting with Morrow and the kids and the Neverland of it all is like we learn. I'm just like, okay, so this island that they're trapped on is Neverland.

To your point, these are the hybrids are all kids who. are robbed of what it means to taste something. Tasting is an out code. Like it's like all of the kids in their plights. It's like, for Wendy, that figure, she does, like she has a part of her humanity that she's not letting go. Meanwhile, one of the other hybrids is like, I want to have a child. Like, and that's a very, like, child, like, being like, what does it mean to be pregnant

all of these things? But what I loved what about Morrow is being a cyborg to him is a curse. Like, he looked like he was in pain when he. was like, upload this shit. And he's like looking at these kids and when it's starting to dawn on him that they are not,

that they're one thing now, where it's like they're not split between biologically human and robot. They are uploaded consciousness to basically like a fucking android or like robot body.

He looks at that as freedom and salvation of just like fuck. I, okay, interesting. I didn't read it like that at all actually. I read that as, as he sees them as something to be controlled

and not a thing that he can actually connect with. His humanity is the thing that, like, he calls himself, I have the worst parts of a man and just a bigger hard drive. No, no, what I'm saying is I thought he was looking at them being like, yo, I could be freed from my humanity. I could be freed from like, because here's a thing. When he lands, he lands and he's just like, it's 65. years later, everybody he knows

is gone. He's fucking dead. He knows what, like, he was a human before, and it seems like he was a human and he still technically is, as an adult. And I'm like, oh, he's probably like, fuck this. I kind of want to be, the only thing he has left is hunting these aliens now. It's actually

interesting thought experiment, which way it goes, because in the first episode, he's kind of like, emotionless. Like, he's not everybody else die. His whole one thing is to grit the aliens. Like, that's his whole That's because of his loyalty to the corporation. Corporation, right?

But is it to become more human or less human? We don't know. Or does he just feel like he owes him? But that's the interesting thing because when he talks to Yutani, the granddaughter of the person that he used to talk to, the idea of her being like, well, you should have read your contract. And it seemed like after that point, this is the only thing that he could think to do. versus, okay, well, what's just kind of stopping him from like either ending his life or never working for companies like that again? When like the Uber person at the very, very top says, well, just read your contract. You can come in and you don't have to do anything.

And he's like, no, this is all that I have. Why would he choose to accept that? Is it possible that the show is actually actually actually asking questions about competing questions about different forms of freedom and which ones you which ones are okay to live with and I think that maybe people can find frustration in the show because there aren't really like direct either conversations or answers to those questions in like directly in the show it's just very abstract like you kind of pull those questions and conversations out of what the show gives you and I kind of love shows like that even if they don't have another one um

really like the idea Westworld. Westworld, yes, definitely. Dev is definitely another one. It didn't exactly, like, that was more of, like, you know, rip bong and, like, kind of take a trip. But, yeah, something... You want to know a show where it's like...

Twin Peaks, this show is not Twin Peaks, but Twin Peaks is another show where it's like, if you are trying to line out everything that happens in Twin Peaks and take it super, super, super literally, you're gonna fucking drive yourself crazy. It is a show about, and dreamscapes, and it's just like, you, like,

you can let that wash over you. And I can see Noah Hawley being like, I want to use this show to talk about everything right now that interests me. Like, one of the things that I find, I didn't think about this until we started talking that I find really fascinating is it makes sense that the hybrids are child consciousness uploaded to these robots because there's two things like that I am now recalling. These kids are learning about ethics in real time.

where it's like Morrow and Hermit are these two separate, like a guy who literally just got a chunk taken out of him and a robot putting him and a cyborg being like teaching these kids, but also it is Boy Cavalier being like, the reason we picked y'all to do this, what a prodig is, is that children are not hampered by society yet. They are not, they do not have endless imagination. They have the endless imagination.

It can be molded. Yes. And right now what I think is interesting is like, You have Boy Cavalier, you have Hermit, you have Moro, you have curse, you have all of these adults realizing essentially we have fucking nuclear weapons walking around with the minds of children. If we don't shape them, what happens to humanity? Which is why the nibs and Sightly stuff this episode, like, which episode? Sorry, in episode four. Okay.

Was, like, uncomfortable, but, like, I understood it, right? for the Nibbs, for her to be like, I'm pregnant, and for Dame Sylvia to be like, well, no, you're not. No, you're not. And they're sitting in that room, and every time Dame Sylv is like, no, Nibs gets a little more excited,

me a little bit more, energetic, a little bit more angry. Until eventually she jumps on Dame Sylvia. Yeah. I'm sitting my, oh, she might do it. And then the sightly and moral conversation, maybe weird. That's some really great shit.

It was really good. It looked terrible. It did look terrible. I don't know what the CGI looked like. But the writing and the acting was spot on because he's doing the like, oh, sing. And it's like, all right, silly. But then we come back later and like, yeah, obviously he's going to use like his name to find his family to make him do what he's got to do. But ultimately it was just like, oh, snap, these kids don't know anything that's going on.

And they have adults and people who know something trying to use them in ways that. they have no idea and it's it's spooky i even liked where i'm just like oh this is heavy-handed but even when hermit they were just like yo tell us about like the five fucking corporations and hermit is like he's telling them of a history that even he doesn't remember being like yo governments didn't work so these companies banded together to replace it all and i was just like oh i was like oh that's a big idea that is like a and that is the thing that i'm wondering where i don't know if the alien stuff to me is working as well as everything. Well, it's not working

because it's not being tried. Well, hold on. The alien, what I'm saying is it's not, they're not, I really feel like the heavy alien stuff, where the alien stuff actually fits into this show, we have yet to figure

out, we have yet to find out. There's all kinds of little things that they're dropping in foreshadowing, the fact that all of them have battery reactors inside of them that could detonate whole cities. I imagine that to be some sort of drama coming through. The fact that she can talk to the xenomorph.

The fact that the... Xenomorphs picked her. The Xenomorphs picked her. The eye alien, is she there? The eye alien exists and it is so hyper-intelligent and it can take over any... What does that mean? Right.

There's so many things that they have left to pay off that I think the alien, the xenomorph itself, will be more involved in. But it's interesting in... the approach to the xenomorph in the show. The xenomorph is a perfect killing machine in everything else. And maybe we've already talked about this. And that is kind of

the kinetic energy that lays the foundation for every other alien movie that you watch. It's the fact that this thing can and will kill you. Now we kind of, in Prometheus and Romulus, kind of started playing a little bit more with the lore of that, But now the fact that the xenomorph is a perfect killer and a scary thing doesn't even fucking matter. Well, because we know that, though. I know.

That's the thing, though. We, like, all those other stuff, we don't know. Yeah. All those other stuff. We know that. We know the alien. Well, it's almost like making a movie about Clark Kent. I don't know.

I don't agree. I actually, I agree. Which, by the way, could be super fucking. It's fucking amazing. Yeah. Like, it could be super fucking amazing, but it's the thing not doing the thing that the thing is known for. But it's going to do it, though.

Right. Yeah. By the way, I'm not saying this is. You don't think it's two things are real crazy. First, the fact that my man, Herm is walking around like fucking Prime Wolverine. Park. Yeah, he can't touch me. Yeah, that plot armor is pretty important.

Wendy, I like as a character, I thought it was a little bit of a cop out where I'm just like, Hey, yo, we know what the xenomorph is as she cut this motherfucker's head off by herself. It does take me a while to be like, the xenomorph is supposed to be Jaws. It's supposed to be unstoppable. When it's no longer unstoppable, I'm like, you have to introduce something that is just as scary.

And to me, they haven't done that yet. Well, but that's the, again, I have no doubt that they're going to do something crazy on that front. But it has a lot more on its mind than just giving us. Does it have to do that for the show to work? Does it have to have a scary alien Only Ripley Can Save Us type shit for the show to work?

I don't think that the show even wants to be there. I don't even think the show wants to be that, but my question then would be, why I call it Alien Earth? If you're like, when you go into an alien movie, same thing with the Jurassic Park movie, there are certain conventions and tropes you're waiting for. And, like, I think it's a far more interesting show

if you buck against that. but when we get to the alien shit and it's kind of feeling like this doesn't feel grounded in anything it just kind of seems like accoutre ma I'm like yeah well the slight push back there only because this is Noah Hawley

that we're talking about and he's on Fargo Legion this I don't think that we can I don't think anybody here can say that Legion did the typical things that an X-Men movie did but it also became unintelligible after a while right but again and no shout out to Noah Holly if you're listening I love

the Legion. He's just way smarter than us. Like, when it comes to that. That don't mean that. What? What? I don't put it in one. Like that don't, hold on, man.

I hate him with people. That don't mean that. All right. I'm not saying that he's not smarter. I've never had a conversation with him before or any of these people that know whether they're not there smarter or not. I know he is one of the most creative people I've ever seen or read or anything, whatever. I know that's the truth.

But making a story, I would argue that taking a story about a teacher who has, cancer and then start selling drugs to pay for his cancer treatments and then blowing that out into entire criticism of the morality of civilized society and ethics and the ethics surrounding genius that is completely accessible to people is a smarter and harder to thing to do than to make a story that's so abstracted that you don't fucking get it. Right. So it just,

so I don't know. Legion was great. And then it got to a point to it was like, man. The other shows, like, Doom Patrol. Like, it got to a point to where it was like, man,

and what I meant to mean by that was that like, Noah Holly's gotten this knack for like using IP and these bigger, like, more accessible properties to get grander ideas off

that are not exactly accessible. to a lot of people. And that's just the way that he tells stories. He's got big ideas, but ultimately, I think it always comes back to the alien, and we're going to get the alien. Right. It's just a lot of, I don't think it's fair to say, like, table setting, but it's a lot of you got to get, like, through the muck on that stuff first.

No, we're four episodes in. This is our world. Yeah. This is the show. What, can I ask this, though, do you think that this is also Noah Holly's way where I'm like, oh, what you're trying to do? You're front-loading this because he's building a machine where I'm like, I can see this being three, four, five seasons of TV,

if it's successful enough, where I'm like, oh, we're not even getting you, Tani yet. There's five other corporations, you know what I mean? Like, there's like certain elements where I'm like, oh, you are trying to like flesh out something that to me has never really been done in the alien world where it seems like every alien movie is like you are in a spaceship, you are in a far-flung,

like, we're not spending that much time in the nitty-gritty of like what's going on fucking Earth, you know? Yeah. which is just a different type of series. Yeah. But I like it. Which, by the way, makes for the one thing that I personally think is great TV. When I sit down and watch Alien Earth, I am in the world.

Locked in. I am held down, like pushed down by the plot, completely submitted to the plot. There are other shows that I watch and the show is. a companion. Yeah. The show is, me and the show are hanging out to me. The show's just on. This is not a show

that's a companion to you. This is a show that either you submit to what's happening, get involved, or you can't be a part of the fun. And it is well acted, well written, all of that.

But for people that go, it's just too much happening. Like, I can't getting to it, I kind of understand where they would be coming from. But also, to your point, the reason I like this show is I'm like, it's so rare, I think, especially in the IP space, where it's like,

think about our conversation. We're not talking about what Easter eggs or what callbacks. Yeah, we're talking about. We barely talk about the aliens. Yeah, we're talking about, what are the themes? What are they actually trying to say? Did it? And I'm like, oh, like, I would rather watch a show like that and be a little bit like, oh, I don't know about this versus, hey, shit, not

happened. Yeah, so no one somewhere going, aha, I wrote the thing. that y'all can't stop thinking about and asking questions about it and that's what makes great art and he's right let me he actually is he's right so where are we going like we're four episodes in it's me can i can i pitch you guys on something that i'm very very afraid of happening we want to hear okay very very afraid of happening i'm like damn please don't tell me they go upload these motherfuck consciousness into a xenomorph uh no actually i think the opposite i think that we're just going to have a straight up conversation with the xenomorph well i think the eye thing gets into the xenomorph yeah the i think the i think the i think gets in a boy cavalier That's what I'm going to say to girls. I think it'll go, I hope it kills boy, hey boy, I believe. But I think he's a dick in it. I think the eye thing gets into a xenomore. I really do.

And then the xenomorph gets to have what it's never had in any other alien project, it gets to have its say. Yeah. Which would be fucking phenomenal. It gets to have its say. Well, it would be phenomenal if they land the plane. Because if they let a xenomorph like talk or we could communicate. and that shit's whack.

Okay, he lights up a cigarette. It sounds like Keith David, and it tells you about the end of the age today. What? Why, I got to sound like a nick. So you're saying, you're saying, because all it wants to do is kill?

That's crazy. You saying that the xenomorph is King Vaugh? All right, all right. That's nuts, bro. Why are you, why you got a young boy take, but all right. Yeah, oh, young boy, oh, xenomorph. Wow.

Young boy would make a whole. Young boy. The young boy is the zanomore. That would be funny. That would be a funny young boy mixtape. The xenomorph. That would be funny. The xenomorph of the streets.

And then like it could be it could be young boy around. The niggas is running from young boy. You know, in the hood, nobody could hear you scream. Right. You know what I'm saying? Wait, is this funny? Is this the type of shit that y'all niggas should be doing, by the way. That's the type of shit, bro.

Push this shit. Remember you when you wanted Batman in a drill rap video? I did. Is it like Xenomorph making another mixtape? My thing with Batman and the drill rap is that, first of all, somebody should do this, but I want it to be for real. I wanted to be done by Batman director. Right.

Matt Reeves. Matt Reeves. Like, I want to see Pattinson seeing some kids shooting a drill rap video with all the guns and stuff down there. And then he gets down there and he sees him. He thinks he's stopping crime. but really they're just shooting the video. And then he looks at them

and then he gives them a message about what they're doing. And then they look at Batman and they just throw their guns to the side. You know? He would have to... It would literally, it would have to be like, hey, y'all, like, you know, guns aren't really cool.

It's like, oh, so our fault by, man, listen, we'll throw the guns away. We'll do the guns, but you got to join us in his video. I mean, I'm the opposite. I need Zach directing it. I need Ben Affleck back. Oh, you go kill them kids? Batman hops in the video.

He brings his own blikies. So Batman in the blakey with the kids. But see, you know what? I would like to see the kids influenced by Batman. Yeah, let her listen. So rather than be, they're not drilling no more, they batting. Right. So they have batting the batmobile.

Because when you think about it, I'm going to be real with you. When you think about it, all Batman's doing is going on different drills against criminals. Right, right, right. That's facts. all Batman is doing Batman is a criminal going on drills against criminals He's a vigilante

He's going out there Batman Batman's getting in the thing He's putting on fucking The radio Yeah he's going on drills against different The reason I hate this idea I hate when rappers do the song for the kid I know I can't

I know I can be what I want to be I want to see bad man You don't like that record? You don't like that record? Clearly not I'm not I wanted so much about the midnight boys.

So, so, so hold on, hold on for a second. When Nas made that song? So you mean to tell me right now that Nas made a whole song telling the youth

that they could be great. And Charles, you were somewhere like, you don't get back. Fuck this shit. I, what I was saying, is,

is set a bad precedent because you know a niggas about to be locked up now because they drop one of them records. Like, little Dirk had that one with Jay Cole.

where I'm like, oh, the feds. That's different. That's not. That's been in no trouble. But like, no, but here's the thing. Other rappers use that blueprint to be like, all right,

I got to get back to the youth. Boy, these rappers fucked up. They damn that they do and they damn that they don't. They make a song about helping out. And Charles is like, nah, man. Nah, I want to get that shit. Get to the drum rap.

Where the Coke rap set. Clips, one of my favorite rap groups, I'm not trying to listen to Malice better his life and go to the truth. What? What? What? Yeah.

But he was dope ballast? Yeah. But if you listen to Malice, he's one of the dopest rappers. He always had that in his rhymes. He was like, before him, I'm too ashamed to show my face. Like, malice was always like that. Yeah, but you need pushy T coming through to be like, never trust the whole shot.

Bro, I'd be honest with you. I was, we went to the clip show this past Saturday. Pusha T's rap's a special, bro. Like, push a T's say shit that, like, it is. Yellow diamonds look like peepie. I mean, that's one thing, but it's like the old shit, like, gunning the same palm or go. My niece was four when she felt chinchilla. I'm like, oh, my God.

And by the way, you know what else about Push-a-T that I'll say? Push-a-T is my favorite rapper that makes me feel bad about myself. Really? I push-a-tee and say something like, I'm in this G-Van-She while your fuck-ass nigger in line at the DMV. I'll be listening to that while I'm in line at the DMV thinking to myself, Push-a-Tee, how the fuck am I supposed to get my registration renewed?

If I can't come to the DMV, how could I not come to the DMV, push-T? What am I supposed to do? Now, that's like that line the only Audi driven around here is by my Alpair. I'm like, damn. By my Alpair. A Audi is an aspirator video.

An Ili-in-law. Can't live. Bro, bro, you can't win. I love the clips. I love them. Some of my favorite rap of all time. But sometimes I also got to tell the youth, man, an Audi is a good call.

You mean the coke rap, not for the kids? No, the coach, it is. Oh. I tell you, I still like it because it's still aspirational. Like, you know, it's like all you $5,000 a nigger walk through niggas don't talk to me, but I'm like, no, I get 12. I get 12. I get 12.

That gives me something to shoot for, but it was just funny. That's why, I had a certain point, I had to stop listening to Drake because he always has a bar about some, like, hotel that he's like, only peasants stay there. I do not say it's a continental. But the same time, Drake shoots you bell, though. Because if you listen to Marvin's room one time, then you know, Drake's just a guy with feelings. Yeah.

You know, Marvin's Room comes on is the girl, the girl actually, Marvon's Room is so funny to me because the girl says that same thing that all girls say when you call them when you're drunk. Are you drunk right now? Yeah. Yeah, like, are you drunk? Very relatable. So Drake gives the vulnerability

but yeah, that he also comes back and says you can't say it to Intercarnaudinald, which the Intercanal, downtown Los Angeles, very nice hotel, great view. Intercarves of North San Diego. Yeah. Great. Great. It's great. Like, I will say this, though. I would not say anything. All right.

All right. The company is paying. Riches Smith. This is the rich man at the ring. The company is paying I would. All right. I know how we got on that. As per usual.

Alien Earth. It's a good show. We have how many, how many episodes left? Four more episodes left. We will revisit after or will we revisit every two episodes. I think if we hit the finale, that will be a full picture. I mean, depends. I don't know if you guys saw the preview for next week, but it'll

I'm locked in. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. So if something pop, it happens, I might be like, hey, go, guys. Also, we're going to give you guys'am. Also, we're going to give you guys mantle wars coming up pretty soon. Yeah. We keep teasing Mantle Wars, but we need to give you guys mantle wars.

Are we going to do movie characters? We're going to start with the movie characters and then go forward? First movie characters, I think, for Mantle Wars. All superheroes, DC and Marvel. DC and Marvel, but what other mantles are there? James Bond. James Bond. James Bond and Mantle Wars.

There's, like, Comic Mantle Wars with, like, characters, like, Flash, Green Lantern, Robin, even. Let's pick the categories right now on the fly. So if we're doing movies, we got to do Batman. We got to do Superman. Batman, Superman. Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Do we do Joker?

Joker's good. Joker is good. Yeah. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Joker. See one more probably. James Bond. James Bond. Perfect.

Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Joker, James Bond. Great. Mantle Wars. Now, these are all men, should we do a female mantle wars as well? Is there, what are the, what are the lady characters? Wait, we could, I guess you'd see Wonder Woman. No. We only got three. It's not that deep of a, like, you got Linda Carter. I thought the rule was three. The rule was three. At least three.

At least three. That shows you how in the dirt all this nerd IP is, because I can't even think of a woman, like a woman character. Lord Croft. So you have two. Oh, you got two. You got two. You got two Laura Crofts That other Laura Croft movie, not that bad

What's her face? Yeah I never saw that one. Longed Gardens is in it. Elisa Mcander? Alicia Mcander, yes. Who else? What else you got?

You got more, you gotta have more ladies that have played multiple. They don't. Damn. That's tough. That's a rough fucking look. Wait, whoa, whoa.

Catwoman? Catwoman? Catwoman? Catwoman? There you got. Because what? Michelle Pfefer, Hallibary. You could technically do in Vist.

You can do it four. You can do Invisible Woman. Eartha Kit and... Oh, you got five. Oh, yeah, we got a Catwoman. Catwoman is in there. So we'll take out Bond. Sure.

We'll start with Super Heroes. We'll take out Bond. We'll put in Cat Woman. And wait, are there any more... There has to be, like, female villains that have been played multiple times, right? You got a visible woman, technically. Yeah.

We could do Visible Woman. What, you got three of those? You got three of them. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think villains. I mean, at this point, Mary Jane? You could do Mary Jane Mantle Wars.

Wait, have to be three? No, they're having. No. No. But Shane Lee, wasn't in the second Spotterman movie she was cut.

Oh, yeah. She was cut from that one scene when she was in it? I remember her being like in one scene, bro. Let me say something about that fucking movie, bro. I think she was in one scene, and I think Gwen had just died. Now, going with Gwen Stacy

was very stupid in that movie, too. I don't think so. I like it. You couldn't do Mary Jane again. Also, oh. Louis Lane. Everybody

was just screaming at their motherfucking phone. Charles came up with it so just get off of it. All right, there we got it.

We got it. We got it. Charles came up with it because everybody's going, Lois Lane, Lois Lane, I was screaming at my phone Lutz when you ain't got to scream no more.

Ravold don't do that at Starbucks. People are going to look at you crazy. Charles just did it. So Mantle Wars is. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Catwoman, Lois Lane.

That's it. Did I say Spada? Did I say Spada? There you did. So we couldn't be taking the joke around? Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. We could also technically... Should we do...

Okay, so look... We could also do Hulk. This is D.C. We got a D.C. edition. Guys, guys, we got to, you know what I'm saying? We can pop for four hours. So we could... We also should do Mantle Wars villains at another time.

Sure. So let's take the Joker out of it right now. There you go. Take the Joker out. Yeah, because we'll do Mantle Wars villains. Mantle Wars 2. Uh-huh. Villains.

Or, because then you got Alex Luther that you got to put in there. You got the Joker, you got to put in there. I'm trying to think of other villains. Do we have enough villains? I think we should just do the most popular heroes. That's fine. Like, just do Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Lois Lane, Catwoman.

I think he's a good to start. Okay, well, Catwoman is a hero and a villain, so yeah, that works. She all knows. She all knows. She does a thing. Okay, so. And there's a lot of Catwomen. A lot of Catwoman. A lot of Catwoman.

A lot of cat women. There's more catwomen. They need thing. We got Hathaway, Zendaya. Oh, right. Zendaya? Zoe Craig. That's insane.

That's insane. Tell me of your whole world, Ben. Oh, my gosh. Hey, hey. Wow. But here's the thing that never happens to the white school woman. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Hey. So they've been two, they've been, they've been, okay, no. So two black women to play Catwoman and. Three. Three. Three. I'm saying there's been two black women by racials to play cat women. They're trying to tell us something.

What does that mean? What does that mean? They're trying to tell us something about it. What are they trying to tell us, man? Whatever it is. You guys want my... You guys want my thoughts about racials. Shout on my girls, Zoe cry. Is she going crazy out there? Yeah, she's going nuts. Wow.

So, Zoli... She might be the greatest milk merchant we've ever seen. And then, um... I'm missing one. It's five, right? Hallie Barry. Hallie Barry. Oh, right. Yeah. Five cat women. We've got to rank them.

I might have. have to spin the catnolly book Barry Catwoman movie. No, that's okay. I don't think we need to do that. Honestly? Not a good movie. Oh, wait, Julie Newmar. Entertainment movie. Julie Newmar. I guess we'll count her. Yeah, because she came on after Eartha Kid left.

Yeah. And are we doing... She's actually the Catwoman from that era. Are we... We're not doing 60s TV, though. We're only doing movies. Well, because I was going to ask, I do think for Batman, like Adam West got to be in there. Like, Superman, I think some TV in our... George Reeve? Yeah, like, do you... I think for, like, Batman, We should include, like, TV.

So he did that just so we could put Dean Cain on the list. You won't put ice on the list? Well, we can make him last. How about this? How about him doing that? He wouldn't be last, though, if you're keeping it real. He wouldn't be last. Don't spoil mantle.

He wouldn't be last. Is it because he passed that obstacle course? It's a bunch of people that we don't like that is going on. Like, for example, I'm going to be real with you, man. And Hathaway would be way high on Catwoman for me. Absolutely. She was great. She was great.

She was great. She was great. She was great. She was great. She was great. She was great. She was great. She's not number one.

There's only one number one, but we will get back. We'll talk to it. Okay, Mantle Wars. Mantle Wars is coming. I mean, if we were ready to cat women by hotness, then that would be a different thing, but we're not going to get that toxic. You guys remember the Santa Caps are coming? The what?

Santa Pax are coming. Coca-Cola commercial jingle. Remember that? What? No. Guys remember the Santa Pax? Santa what? Santa Pax are coming.

Santa Pax are coming. We could do that. We should sing that, but we should sing with Mantle Wars. Mantle Wars is coming. Mantle Wars is coming. Mantle Wars is coming. coming. Mantle Wars is coming. Mantle Wars is coming.

With that, we got to rap. We got to go. We gave y'all a lot of podcasts. All right. That is a wrap. The Rigger's Reefeed. Tuesday, the Midnight Boys, the fucking Midboys covered K-pop Demon Hunters. The most fucking... Biggest movie, the most watch movie on Netflix history.

Ever, ever, ever. Ever, ever. People that I haven't seen it. Oh, it's so good. You'll love it. I was like, the first five or ten minutes, I was like, fuck this movie. So is this an anime? No.

No. Wait, this is not an anime? It's animated. It's animated. Sony Studios did it. Yeah. It's like, no, this is closer to me to like a Spider-Verse. Yeah, right.

Or it's not a anime. And you love Spider-Verse. I love Spider-Verse is good. Second one wasn't as good as the first one. I agree. I agree. We're not doing this. We're not doing this.

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