The Ringer-Verse - 'Peacemaker' Season 2, Episode 4 and 'Alien: Earth' Episodes 5 and 6 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

The boys are back to talk about the newest episodes of ‘Peacemaker’ Season 2 and ‘Alien: Earth’! They dive into the humanizing of Peacemaker and the different varieties of Xenomorphs we’re seeing in ‘Alien: Earth.’ (0:00) Intro (11:49) Reactions to ‘Peacemaker’ Season 2, Episode 4 (45:33) Reactions to ‘Alien: Earth’ Episodes 5 and 6 (1:25:32) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jade Whaley Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Last time we did this, we're trying to get to 30K. And Bill said, when we get to 100K, we can do rewatchables month for the Ring of us. That's never happening. That is never happening. Well, I'll be honest with you, it's never happening. Because Charles and I, more, I'm taking responsibility for this myself. Oh.

Bill tried it. He gave Charles and I Spider-Man. and I delivered my worst podcast I don't say that. I will also say, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever do a rewatchables that Bill is not on because them motherfugs do not like it. They are just like, who the fuck are y'all, bro?

Fuck these guys. Never again. By the way, but that's like, I get so much love for Ringer fans, but from Ringer fans, so much love. But remember, I show up on the rewatchables, I show up on Bill's podcast, and it's always funny

I like to callous myself over. See, I love the hate. You guys know this. I love the hate. I like to callous myself over. So it's always like, van, here comes race-baiting bullshit. Won't listen, won't listen.

Different type of fan. And rewatchables is one of the most, not just popular podcast, but it's also beloved. What's better than listening to three people sit down and riff about some movie that you love that you've been watching

since you was 13th? or 14 years old. And that's why they don't like it with new people are in that motherfucking house. And I'll say this, I thought Ringiverse, like, I'm like, damn, the Ringerverse fans getting on us. Like, nah, Ringervor's fans show is love. You go on your rewatchables on bills, but I'm like, never.

Fuck, man. I'll tell you, man. But I'll be honest with you, though. I get so much love off that pot, too. So much love. So much love. And it's awesome to be a part of the rotation. But when we do have the

the rewatchables that we do, it's got to be a movie. We got to have complete synergy. We got to be firing on all cylinders. Of course. Yeah. Okay? Can't be best around.

What movie you want to do for the regular ones? We got to think about it, though, because it's got to be something that we all be loved. No like the back of our hand. No like the back of our hand. But also, we can talk contextually around the movie, like where the actors were before it, all of that stuff. So it would probably be something a little bit more recent.

You know what it could be? It might be Black Panther. Black Panther is Black Panther might be the perfect Midnight Boys Rwatchables if we did Black Panther that might be the perfect one Write that down right because that bitch

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There's a special ring reverse event happening. Charles, would you like to tell them what it is? I'm still confused because, as always, I walked in late, and this plan was formulated while I was not there. But I'm very excited because Van has not only agreed to watch the Demon Slayer movie. You said that you were going to dress up. It's a special... Ring or Verse

Midnight Boys Not podcast It's a demon slayer event I feel like it is a setup It's not It might be Why wouldn't it be a setup? Because I literally

We were walking out of the door It's like Hey I'm gonna do this Don't tune in I'll never let you I'll never let you do that This is what No

No no no Okay So this is the way things are gonna go Okay. Or the way I hope that they will go. Right. I am getting into Demon Slayer.

Okay. I'm going to watch Demon Slayer leading up to this. I'm not watching Four Seasons of Demon Slayer. That's not happening, guys. But what I will watch, though, is Reelps. Recaps. Recaps. Recaps. Recaps the Demon Slayer. The pilot episode of Demon Slayer.

Sure. Alea told me that I should watch. I'll do that. And then I'm going to go see the movie, but I'm going to dress up. Okay. I'm going to go with you guys, whoever wants to go. dress up, we're going to tape it. I'm going to get into Demon Slayer.

I'm going to slay the demons with y'all. And then we're not going to do a Demon Slayer podcast. We're going to do a Demon Slayer event here on YouTube. And we're telling you guys right now, you must watch it. Please blow this up. You must watch it. If you do not watch it, I'm talking about all the anime people that have been kicking my ass. If you do not watch it, you must get a friend to watch it.

Jesus Christ. We're asking you to go to you. YouTube because we want you guys to experience a podcast and make great use of all these cameras and all this stuff that we have going on right now. That's the true thing. We want you to do that every week. But specifically and specially, not this week, not next week, but the week after we are doing a Demon Slayer event, I will wear my Demon Slayer outfit here on the pod. And you guys must watch the Demon Slayer event. You got to watch it.

Okay. Okay. Right, right, right, right. I'm excited. You gotta watch it. Now, all I will say, guys, I told Van this, this is the equivalent of telling someone, hey, yo, start with Infinity War. Okay.

This is like, this is like, this is the end of demons. Like, there are three movies. These are like the Infinity War. Is three other Demon Slayer movies? There's two others. There's one other, but these next three are like, it's ending. Like, they made three movies to be like, this is the end of the, Okay, so there's a Demon Slayer movie before this.

Yes. I'll watch that. Yeah. Okay. What is this? So that's Demon Slayer 1? It's Demon Slayer Muggen Train, but it is the second. Mugan Train?

Yes. Mugent Train. It's about a train. Don't, don't, don't, stop. Don't think about it too much. There are Big Titties. Big Tenis and Democleer. Yes, a lot of big Teges.

Yeah, okay. So Deansel Lair Mugan train and then what comes out to that? Demon Slayer, more Mugan, more train? Here's our word. Two Mugan, two train. Can we get to be. I'm just saying

I'm watching it all. I'm fucking into it, bro. You want to know actually what the equivalent in it? If you describe Demon Slayer, it's like all of these

are seasons of television but in Japan a lot of the times they're just like, they're like, bro, we can make $300, 400, $400 million if we make this season of TV

into a movie. So it's like you can either watch it as a movie or you can watch it as a season of television. Oh! But they only started doing that with the second season.

So once the first season started popping, they're like, all right, every season is now a season of TV or a movie. So how many Demon Slater movies are there, seriously? Two. Two? Yeah. And then this one coming out. No. One movie and then this one coming out.

Oh, yeah. So I'll watch Mugentrain. Okay. And if I watch Mugent Train, will I be more ready? Yes. Yeah. You'll be more ready. You'll be more ready.

Okay. So where can I find Mugent Train at? Funry. Well, you can find it on. No. You can find Netflix, Hulu. I think Demon Slayer's on all. Okay.

All right, cool. Demon Slayer event happening, guys. It's happening. I'm excited. I'm excited to get into some new shit. You know what I'm saying? We were talking about Alien Earth. I like Alien Earth now just because it was like when the rest of the world felt when juvenile dropped.

And they were happy that a nigga was just doing some original shit. I will get into it. Alien Earth, even when they're doing dumb shit on it, I don't care. Yeah, it's just something new. Even the weird vibes are great. On Tuesday, Buttmash reviews viral sensation, Hallo Night Silk Song. Don't say anything's like, I love Hollow Night.

Have you never played Hollow Night? Never heard. Don't even know what it was. It's really cool. Hollow Night Silk Song. I'm with him, yeah. You've never played Holladnight? It's a game?

It's a video game. I wasn't rich like, y'all. I didn't get video games until I was later. It's $20. Stay back. I'm talking about way back. It's $20. When the first game came out.

2017? 2017? was broke then. Yeah. Well, you're not now. Not now. Over on the House of R, Mal and Joe continue their alien earth coverage and hot Nolan's summer. On Monday, Min Edition returns with their, here comes the pitch, Oscar bait.

While we're talking about the Oscars, we should talk about the fact that the PTA movie, people are saying, is the greatest single filmmaking achievement that's ever happened. Yeah, it's kind of nuts. One now after another, people are saying, this is the greatest thing that I've ever watched, and everyone's fantastic and we love it so much. I'm super excited. I wish we could talk about it,

but what I will say... Well, we will. If we want to talk about it, then we will. I'm ready for it, because here's the thing. This isn't even a hot take at this point. I feel like before the decade is over, maybe 15 years, I'm like, Tiana Taylor might be on her way to win Oscar.

Interesting. I actually think she's actually a really, really phenomenal actress. I think she's instinctively very good. I think that she has that thing. I was in an acting class a long time ago, and the acting teacher was like, it was a very funny character.

He would look at people and be like, you don't got it. Would just like point to him straight up. That's real, though. Yeah, so real. And you know what the teacher would say when they looked at somebody and say, you don't got it?

That's why you have to master technique. You have to master your technique. You actually your technique because that thing that people just have that makes them pop on screen, that's not what you have. It was like, you don't have that. So I need to teach you technique so that you can synthesize your presence. And look at other people and go, you got it. If you learn how to master your emotions, you're just somebody that is compelling. And the Tiana Taylor thing is she has the presence.

So if she masters the technique and rounds it all out, you're looking at somebody who will go a long way in the profession. She would, what you'm going to call it? Yeah. Right now, Pierre, she's like, yeah. He's probably teaching her a few techniques. All right. On today's show... She's a nice lady.

On today's show, we're giving instant reactions to the latest episodes of Peacemaker and Alien Earth. We're going to start with Peacemaker, so we're going to start with a spoiler warning for everything in the DCU up to now. We're getting ready to talk about... Peacemaker. You're listening? to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, now we're going to begin our reactions.

Got to do that. Midnight Manifference. Chuck, take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest, Season 2, Need I Say Door, directed by Peter Salette, written by James Gunn.

35 years ago, Peacemaker and his family discovered the interdimensional gateway that they have in their house when killing an alien in the woods. In the present, Argus is on their way to arrest Chris for his use of the door,

but a text from Oconomost allows Chris eagerly to escape. out of bio when Chris traveled to Peacemaker's family cabin to set up a new location for the interdimensional gateway. Meanwhile, Rick Flagg Sr. decides to make a deal with Hardcourt to sell out Peacemaker in exchange from her being removed from a blacklist that prevents any intelligence agency from hiring her. Chris Tech's Hardcourt to meet and the episode ends with the peacemaker heading for the setup while the Eagle Hunter finds the location of Eagley and the interdimensional gateway. That's been your midnight manifest. So I might surprise y'all, you then. I can't tell if I'm just

settled into the series like all of my problems with the series kind of still remain but when I just look at it as a TV show I'm just like okay cool like funny episode of TV like and I don't like

I'm starting to feel like that might be enough where it's like I didn't hate this I was just like oh yeah cool like entertaining I laughed like there's a lot going on I was trying to think of a of a show because I understand what you're saying I'm trying to think of a show

that kind of compares to it and it's interesting what they're doing they're like fundamentally changing his character. Like he's not in a suit. He's not, like, murdering people. This season is rehabilitating peacemaker.

Like, it's humanizing him, making him sort of the hunted, building up, I think it's very important to the DCU. Building up structures in the DCU world, like Rick Flagg representing these big, huge, dysfunctional structures that you're going to see later on as part of the DCU that are actually the things that wind up people and make them go. Like the fact that that peacemaker murdered Rip Flagg, Jr., and we're not actually going through the fact that he did that and

making it about him. We're making it about Waller. We're making it about Flag. We're making about all the ways that he was wound up and put in motion. They're doing something really interesting about putting him on the run and making him very vulnerable in this season that while it's not

as exciting and definitely not as funny as the first season. It's more show-show. Is this a bad, like, this is going to sound weird, but when I was watching it, I was just like, oh, weirdly, this is DC's agents of shield, but instead of it being agents of shield,

it's, you have peacemaker to kind of like, let's put some respect on the Ais of the Shield. Let's slow down. There's no need for that. There's no need for that. But what I mean by that is just, like, traditionally, even in the comics, I think Shield has always been more

important to the foundation of Marvel in the MCU than something like Argus or checkmate or whatever it was. And watching this episode, I was just like, oh, to your point, it feels like Gunn is building these structures of being like, okay, so like we have a Nick Fury figure. We have all of the people here. We have like the Colby Smolder's character. And I was just like, oh, this is interesting. So when he's talking about like, oh, and man of tomorrow, there's

connections between peacemaker season two in that movie. I'm like, oh, yeah, this more so seems like you're building out a world versus like you're building out peacemaker, if that makes sense. I think I can see that. I try not to think about that when I'm watching it because then like it kind of, it does kind of feel a little small. Because I'm thinking about August. I'm thinking about Rick Flagg, senior. I'm thinking about hardcore. And like trying to like piece that together and how we're getting, because I think today came out that like in Man of Tomorrow was going to be super.

and Lex Luthor finding way to work together. I think, like, James's going to set that. They're going to have to meet somewhere in the middle to fight a bigger bad, which... Like a buddy cop. Kind of. But you know how it is. They fighting the first one. Then the sequel, the good guy, needs the bad guys help.

Because the bigger bad guy. Yeah, because Brainiak about to come down and he needs the smartest man in the world to help him out. And the deeper you get into Superman and Lex Luthor just on that, not to derail the peacemaker conversation. But at times they do have... of a collegial relationship. Oh, yeah. Like, to one another, like, there's either a respect there or an understanding of how they both exist in the ecosystem.

So it will be interesting to see that explored on screen because other than Smallville, no movie has really explored that much. Yeah. But yeah, but I think those are like big ideas. And while I think Peacemaker has big ideas of its own, I don't think it's like fit for that part just yet. Maybe down the line it might get there because I know we talk about this. James Gunna said episode six and episode eight episodes that he directed are crazy and all this stuff. So we'll see what that looks like. But for this episode specifically, I think the thing that was most interesting for me was, and we talked about this a little last week,

Harcourt knows that Chris murdered Rick Flagg Jr. Like we didn't. I didn't buy that. She doesn't think it's murder. That's the thing. She doesn't think it's murder. That didn't play for them, though. Yeah, that was...

Mostly, that was really odd. Yeah. But... I agree. But you have to understand, though... You have to understand, though. She doesn't look at as murder because she's a soldier. She's an asset.

So if she has orders to kill someone, the person... She doesn't look at it as murdering them. She looks at it as following orders. I also kind of read that. I read it a little bit as, like, a small part of a bit of grace that she gave him in the idea that, like, yes, they had a prior... relationship, her and Rick Flag, but the idea that he's kind of

beating himself up about this, and she's just like, no, you did what you had to. And amongst people that consider themselves soldiers, that's probably the most, like, I guess, like, albeit, like, gracious thing they can give themselves, like, the forgiveness between two people that really hate

what they're doing. Also, I look at the Rick Flag hardcore scene as kids, drinking alcohol before Jason kills him. Because the fact that they showed him being a philanderer is so funny. I see it.

Everything that this season is doing is to rehabilitate Peacemaker as a serious character. Like everything. Showing the trauma that he's, we've seen the trauma before, but seeing him how he reacts to when he sees his dad and his brother alive. Oh, my God, he's searching for something. So that he wants love, he wants acceptance, he wants all of these things. It's not just about fucking people up in the name of piece. And Rick Flagg, the biggest mistake that he's made is a guy who was cheating on his girlfriend with his best friend and then talk shit about his girlfriend as vulnerable as we saw Enchantress in the Suicide Squad movie to this other girl.

And then his dad's an asshole who has a bloodlust and all of this stuff. They're doing a good job to me of telling a very small story. It's not kind of small. It's very small. Yeah. Intimate. It's a very intimate story about peacemaker, but also reccomting the character at the same time.

I think that was always James Gunn's idea, though, was to always bring this character back from what he did at the end of the Suicide Squad. Because you kill Rick Flagg, Jr., kind of like, all right, why should we root for this guy over two seasons of television? I think it's always been the plan with all the stuff of this father, and now dealing with his brother dealing with Harcourt. It's like, how do we bring this guy from... from being the dickhead in suicide squad,

at least an evil dickhead, to being like a good dickhead you can root for and cheer for. Right. And the main question being, is it working so far? I mean, yeah, it's working for me. They're not exactly reinventing the will. It's working for me.

Is it part of that John Cena? Part of that is John Cena. Yeah, part of that's John Cena. The part of his, him being out of the suit. The suit itself, just like, as soon as we saw a peacemaker on screen in Superman, The helmet itself, the whole thing, it looks kind of goofy. So you laugh and you go, like, what part of it is him being out of soup?

But also, part of it is the fact that John Cena has zero comedy in this, in this episode and really in this series. There are things that are supposed to be funny, but like this series, this is not, this stuff is not funny, guys. It's a lot of economists. Yeah. The Eagle Hunter part was the moment where I was just like, because I was rocking with the episode. That's not funny.

And I was like, this is just too. Yeah. It's a hat on a hat. It's like... Yeah. Because even like at the end when he's doing the ritual in the woods and he's having this spiritual thing

where he's finding the gate, I was just like, this isn't the interesting part of what y'all are doing. You know what's funny is that to me was... I almost wish that they played that character straight. Because that to me, I was like, oh, wait, he's using his blood to soar over eagerly

and watch Eagleie, and that's how you're going to find out. That's some cool Captain Bravestar type shit. We've talked about Captain Brave Star before, haven't we? That's some cool type of shit. I get it that it was goofy, but I liked that more than him and Economos going back and forth, joke after joke after killing Eagles. Eat in the eagle poop, whatever. It's just not funny.

Every post-credit seed is an extended Encatovo seed, and I'm like, guys, it wasn't funny any episode. It's really not funny right now. Which is so weird to me, because. I'm like, there's a case, there's, James Gunn has been funny. He's been quite funny. He's hysterical. Yeah. And I don't know why, like, I want to say 60 to 70% of the jokes really aren't landing for me.

And it kind of feels like it's almost distracting from the interesting plot and development that this show could be having. And maybe that's just like the comedy being stretched a tad thin as far as like, again, the seemingly bottom heavy plot developments that are going to be happening in episode six and seven. Because once that happens, apparently. a lot of wheels are going to be in motion, but I just feel like we're really like...

Well, I think a lot, my issues with a lot of the comedy is I'm just like, oh, most of these characters are just James Gunn. And I think that when I'm watching, like, Economos or Peacemaker, any of them joke, I'm just like, all of you aren't... These jokes aren't very, very specific. These jokes are very much like James Gunn thought this was funny

and it's having this. And I'm just like, but weirdly, when it's the more dramatic stuff, I'm just like, oh, I see how Chris views the world, how Harcourt views the world, how out of bio sees the world. It's more so when it's just like, when they're like, oh, he's Captain fucking, what was the joke? Captain, he was calling,

Conamos was calling the Eagle Humter. I forget, but it was like those jokes were a little bit. I was like, you don't have this. I feel like when it's two characters doing a bit, it's not as funny. But then, like, when they're back, and they're in the Argus little vehicle, and he's talking to Tim Meadows. The winking?

Yeah, the winking. I love that. That was great. When it's two characters going back and forth, it's not really. But see, once you add like a third and a fourth and they start to like ping off each other? That was the sitcom part of me. But that was the comedy in the first season. The first season was, was them getting directives about what they were going to do.

You had the heavy character telling them about the mission. You had hardcore, like trying to understand what they were going to do, Peacemaker, out of bio. Everyone understanding what they were going to do. And they were their interplay. and all of that stuff. Right. And how they were responded to it, a lot of times was like the funny stuff.

It's the 18. Where it's just like, this is like people stuck. These are soldiers stuck in a van. And I'm like when, to your point, like when they're stuck in the van and it's like the family,

this fucked up family, I'm like, oh, this is where the show shines. I think when it is like all the other bullshit, I'm like, oh, the almost the sitcom nature of the show is getting away from you.

And also part of me is starting to think, I don't know if this is like an eight episode season. Like, I don't know if there's enough story for eight episodes of television. Because, like, these middle episodes have felt a little bit thin in terms of just... And that's why I feel like James Gunn is like, wait for my episodes because I'm like, yeah, that's where probably a lot of the plot in, like, moving the shit forward comes down. They're not fighting anything, right? No.

It's at the first season, they were fighting this alien force was trying to take over the world. this is just about them. So they have to spin and all of these different storylines together in a way that it maintains his energy. And it's not easy to do it's not impossible. You have expert

storytellers working on it, but it's not easy to do. I am super duper interested in Chris's place in the other dimension. I'm super interested. You want to get back there? I do, but I also understand why you can't spend all of your time there.

Because that's not where this story is taking place. At least we don't think that's where... But the reasons that you pull him out of that, if only for, like, problems that are happening in that dimension... Like, if he really surrendered himself to that, the responsibility of that other dimension fully, then there would be no point for him to go back. He would have just stayed there.

Well, I mean, there will be a point. Look, I'm not... Once again, I'm not saying... I understand why you don't just set the show there. Because that's not the show. That dimension... It's not our dimension. It's a other else's dimension.

It might be a different show that's being set over there. Different James Gunn. Maybe that James Gun, whatever. I'm not even going to go into that. You can't go into that. Yeah, I won't. But, yeah, for our story is about what happens to Chris in our dimension. So you have to go to that dimension and use it as a storytelling device to goose what we have going on over here.

So at the end of the episode, he's supposed to be hardcore. We know it's a trap, right? but it kind of talk about who's in red in that scene who's in the all red workout suit you weren't paying attention you're not Bordeaux you were paying attention

we all know you were paying I was gonna ask for Sotomay I was gonna ask for so why do we guys watch Bordeaux is fucking Corridor I'm sorry man Bordeaux is some of the finest

shit that's been on TV I'll just be honest with you bro like it is it's distracting It is so dissing. It's a beautiful woman. Some of the fondest shit that's been on TV is killing. Every fucking scene, I'm like, God, damn.

Dog, when she winked at Tebettos. Yeah. That was also a good game. That's a good callback. I think he's supposed to go meet hardcore. I don't think he's going to go meet her. I think he's going to go back to the other dimension. I think it's too tough.

I think it's going to be too hard for him to go talk to that hardcore. He's going to want to go back. Yeah. His other thing in the other dimension, because it's just... It is very interesting. It's too tough. See him want to, like, juggle both of those conversations and to how, like, how he wants to conduct himself with that hard court versus this one.

Yeah. He'll probably just get frustrated and be like, man, fuck this. I'm going to the other you or something like that. What's easier, yeah. Exactly. Because it's easier. And, like, that's obviously where his growth needs to be, where, like, obviously there's something very, very wrong with this other universe.

As you can tell that other people have pointed out, there's only white people. people that you can see in that other universe. Like, there's probably something very, very bad going on. I just thought they didn't cast black people because that's how it be sometimes. No, but that's the observation that's been going on. Yeah, I love how people I've been making that observation and I'm always just like, black people don't be in this shit. I was about to say, man.

I was about to say, that's what they, you know what, they do that. I'm sorry. We've been, I think, I think, I was going to go up to Canada. You'll be like, they've not. You know, I think for. us as, you know, black people that have been into this content for a long time, this is why when the MCU got big, we started to say, okay, come on, mix us in. Oh, okay.

We're not, we're not going for that, okay? Like, mix us in. Mix us in now. Like, we, and don't, when I say mix us in, and shout out to Landau, because Landau is the man, right? Yeah. I'm not saying anything about Landau. I kind of feel like you are.

I'm not. I'm not saying nothing about Landau. Okay. Because Landau himself is the man. That's a great character. I love him. Blando was the only nigger in the galaxy far far away. For a long time.

Okay? He was only nigger in the galaxy. Shout out, we're going to talk about it. Shout out, alien earth. Because I was watching it this morning. I'm like, shout out no, Holly. Not niggas in the show. Dave.

Alien Earth is. Do you have a note, though. Do you have a note. Okay. None of them have a fresh cut. I went to, I went to Humber College in Canada. Yeah. I remember doing the Q&A.

everybody that was at Humber College was from like a different place. It was like they had the Africans, they had the Sikhs, they had the mandams. They had all the people. There's a lot of mandams in Toronto. Yeah, that's, yeah.

I'm up at Toronto. Shout out tomorrow, an extra gravy show. Y'all go watch that shit. But a lot of mandams into Toronto. They come out to a mandemes, manned and they, that's how they talk about.

Yeah, all of that stuff, but like true, like real diversity. Right. Like, but in this, in this sci-fi shit, like we ain't never really been there so when they have the black it took me a little while to realize

it was no black people in there because that's how y'all imagined y'all like no black people in the princess bride fantasy every time it's a fantasy I mean I'm gonna be honest we was open in Spider-Man comics for how long this motherfucker lives in Queens you never see something

so no water to carry for that theory that there might be something going on that but it's not something we notice because we watch a lot of television Especially a lot of fantasy stories and superhero stories Where there's no black people There's no, I'm not watching like, oh man, there's a like we just

It's like, I'm not conditioned, not really seen any It's not really conditioned, but we're just familiar. No, no, no, you have been conditioned. Like, it's funny. It actually is what propaganda is. It's what probably, you have been conditioned. The first heroes they showed you was Superman and Batman. And then when another hero came along, you went,

why does this nigga got a fade? Superheroes don't have fates. What is that? I've seen these guys, these guys that the guys, that the heroes go after. They go after the guys with the fades. They're not the guys with the fades.

And then we realize that our parents are heroes. People in our communities are heroes. Dr. King is a hero. Malcolm X is a hero. They're real life heroes. And they got fades. And they got lines. And then we want fades and lines in our shit. But it takes us a while to get used to peep it out.

Because that's what we've been conditioned. So I didn't even see it. I mean, even now, Like, some of the black shit I grew up on, like, I love Static Shock, but I'm like, hey, yo, why Static Shock got a ride on a trash can? Like, what, like, on a trash can. Like, you know what I'm saying? Regular, we just want regular shit.

Like, you know, regular shit. As a kid, I was like, oh, this is dope. And now I'm like, oh. And it's always some really tragic shit. Like, what's his power? He can escape out of any fucking cell. Why? Well, I watched my uncle go to jail when I was six.

And then my G's was, I'm like, can the nigger just be able to fly? When you think about Luke Cage's powers and you like, this motherfucker bulletproof? Like the black naga? You know what? Cops can't kill him.

Luke Cage, you know what? I always thought Luke Cade should talk to cops. Right. Just push a cop, then run. Cop, boom, boom, boom. He's like, ah, bitch. But you want to know this one? They never did this story.

Because here's the thing, he's running. He's bulletproof. the bullet bounces off of him. Hit somebody. Yes. Hit somebody. Oh my God.

See, Charles, this is your problem, but you're ruining it. But I'm like, oh, Charles is trashed. Now you got it up front of the third night. The story's going to be like, Luke Cage kills somebody. Yeah.

He got that lady shot. That's what the only is going to be like, it wasn't me. Yeah, one of me. I shot him. And it bounced off and hit a little girl and Luke Cage. And that's going to be Luke Cage's trauma.

And that's terrible. And Matt Murdo I got to have to represent him in court, bro. And they're going to have She hook on the other side. Hey, yo, let's stop talking. Let's write this right now.

Yeah, we should write it right now. Let's write it right now. But back to Peacemaker, which we kind of got away from. Don't black people. And at Dimitian, maybe we'll see someone. But I guess, you know, the show is definitely, definitely worth watching for sure. Yeah. I'm having from watching it.

I am more curious, and this is big picture stuff. And people that are listening to this, they are just trying to enjoy shows. on a week-to-week basis, do not view the shows like this. This is why we're in the trouble that we're in right now with some of this content. But every episode that passes by, I'm more curious about Peacemaker as a character and the show's place in the larger DCU.

Every show that passes by. Because the first season, there's so many things that happen in this particular show that are about, to me, changing the character, rehabilitating the character, right? The first season was about being the antithesis to Zach Snyder's

DCEU. It was wacky, it was goofy, it was bright, it was everything that those, that Zach Snyder's stuff wasn't. And so was the suicide squad, right? This one is actually toned down and almost trying to baseline out and really get

into the guts of what this this whole narrative thing is going to be. And the fact that they had to fundamentally, in a way, change this lead character to do that is blowing my brain. Like, I'm really, really curious. And then I see Coorswe's showing up on the set. Like, what is all of this really?

Like, what are we getting to? Also, I think the thing that is interesting because we're watching Peacemaker week by week, but I'm like, I get time to, like, I just watch two episodes of Alien Earth. So the way I came to those episodes where I was like, oh, shit, like, a lot of the things I didn't like about maybe this episode were already answered. Sometimes I think people forget when we watch this stuff. I'm like, a lot of these peacemaker episodes to me would be a lot more interesting if I got to watch them in big chunks, where I got to just watch the first four episodes.

Like, I'm starting to think, like, peacemaker is more interesting to me as, like, a larger project and not like a, I come here for 40 minutes. Because sometimes, like, the 40-minute episode is just a 40-minute episode of TV and not a lot happy. Which is fun. Like, that's, that's what we've been making things like that for, I'm going to say, a hundred years, but for a long time. I think we, and we talked about it. No, I don't think TV used to be like that. I think TV used to be, like, I like watching this and I can wait a week and I can just,

it wasn't, I think it had, I don't think peacemaker and a lot of, like, even the Disney Plus shows are good, are good at being TV. And that, like, it's a different thing. I wouldn't say, I wouldn't, I guess and no, I think, like, Marvel, specifically. it was not good at being TV, especially early. It was not good. Outside of like the Daredevil and the Netflix stuff, the Disney Plus stuff, it was just a two and a half hour movie chopped into six or eight parts.

And Peasemaker is more like a television show. It's more like a television show. But like I'm saying, for most of like history, TV shows were 23 minutes, 44 minutes, whatever. And you'd watch one week and you'd be like, that was cool. Out of good time. We'll see what happens next week. I think that's where I'm at with Peacemaker.

and maybe it's a little bit different for you where you need more in your 40 minutes. I think what they're doing is, again, to serve the larger universe, I don't quite, I'm not quite there yet again because it's like this leads right into a man of tomorrow. I'm like, how do we do this? But again, four more episodes. We'll see. But in terms of giving me like this small story, to your point, seeing where Peacemaker can grow over the course of this season, I'm there. gonna say, Steve? And I think that's still part of like that MCU conditioning of where we're like,

we don't need to always be looking at the grand tapestry when we can focus on just one little nice tile that we're, and again, like, it doesn't have to be. Nah, but James Gunn. I know. He can't have it both ways. I understand. Because he's speaking out of both ends of his mouth where sometimes it's like, hey, yo, y'all got to watch Peacemaker Season 2 because this is directly leading the man of tomorrow.

And then he'll have some other shit where he's just like, actually you can watch Man at tomorrow and you never need to see piecemaker season. I'm like, what's fun of see? Are you saying that people might just say things to watch? to get people to watch shows? Actually, I think Jomey made this point way back in the day. I think Jomey was, the point that Jomey made a couple of years ago on this,

I think was one of the best versions in my podcast and career of both I'm right and I'm wrong. But he was definitely right about one part of it, is that it has to be both. To make a good superhero property, it has to be both. It has to be both. You both have to be able to take your kids,

Because think about superhero storytelling and how unique it is. The audience for this type of storytelling is changing all the time. Yeah. Right. You age into an audience for Game of Thrones. And then you kind of never age out of it, right? Like you get to a point where you can understand all of that stuff. And then there's no point anymore where you're not into it anymore.

Star Trek, similar things. All that type of shit, right? The audience of superhero stories, you might get to a point to where watching people fly around you might have aged out of it. Yeah. But you're also coming to it at a very specific point. So when you take your kids to see a movie and it's Superman Manna Tomorrow, you can't really make your kids who might be seven or eight years old watch Superman before they get

to Manna Tomorrow. If Man of Tomorrow is the first one they saw, it's the first one they saw. The first Superman movie I ever saw, the Christopher Reeves Superman, the first one I ever saw, Superman for Superman, For Quest for Peace. That's the first one I ever saw. saw. And then I saw that and I was like, wow, damn, I love that shit. And then once I got old enough to see and appreciate the first one, where I saw the first one, I was like, wait a minute. This bitch is way better.

Hold on. Hold on for a second. Oh, they were cooking here. All of this stuff has happened when I'm seven, eight, nine years old. But you need to watch that movie. And in that movie, Superman 4, you need to be able to see, because I knew Superman the character, right? You need to be able to see it's, I should say it's the first one I remember. My father took me to see Superman 3 before this, but I just couldn't remember the movie. I was too young.

You need to be able to see Superman versus nuclear man, Lex Luthor Bad, Superman, Lois Lane, Secret Identity, all of that stuff. They have to nail that. That's what you need to be able to see. And then you need to be able to come to that story, but also if you're older, you need to have this understanding

of this is the continuing story of Cal Lel from Krypton. So it's kind of got to be both. The question is, for an audience that's as sophisticated with this stuff as we are now, is both possible. That's like, if I'm being so, you know, and this is, people are going to get mad when I say this, the minute James Gunn tells me, this is leading into Man of Tomorrow, this has connective tissue, I find Superman so much more interesting than I find peacemaker and his friends. And I think that's always the, thing if you have to try both ways where it's like if the first episode you're showing

the Justice Gang and I have more of a connection to Hawk Girl and Guy Gardner from the comics and Maxwell Lord and all this shit, my comic book brain is just like, no, that's the shit I want to see. You know what I mean? I get that. And I know that's a bad.

It's not bad at all. I get that. What I was saying about Jomey's point was that Jomi back in the day Jomi said, hey, these TV shows are things that you're not going to have to watch. And we argue, And I was like, oh, you got to have to watch him because of Wanda vision and all of this stuff.

I was, he was writer than I was, he was, he was writer than I, than I was. But we both were kind of, it was almost a stalemate. But the greater point of every single thing has to be able to stand on its own, that was writer than the things that I thought. I was, it was definitely true that they wanted you to watch Wanda vision. to understand why multiverse of madness. But it was also clear

that they did not want you to have had to watch Wanda Vision. So what I was saying was they want you to watch all of this stuff, but they don't want you to have to watch all of this stuff. The thing about this show, the peacemaker show, to the point that you just made is you're definitely right.

I don't think James Gunn looks at it that way, though. You're definitely right that The minute that they see Superman, I see Superman on Twitter, and I see Peacemaker wearing the same shirt, I'm like, okay. They're about to put Superman in this bitch. But I think what James Gunn thinks is that he's going to be able to ground you in a larger world at the same time make you care about the characters that you're watching on screen. I agree of difficulty there.

I think that's tough, but something that I just realized is that it's this show and the large Superman stories have to exist. in like two different circles and like kind of overlap like a Venn diagram because kids can't watch this show. Right. And so you have to do the thing

where you come into a man of tomorrow and there's going to be like a good section of people under the age of 18 or 21 who are just like, I can't watch Peacemaker because my parents not letting me watch dicks all over the TV on HBO match.

Yeah. It's just not how it's going to go down. This is less and less true with each other. These kids fucked up They're watching Euphoria. They're watching Euphoria. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, maybe.

Like, 10-year-olds are watching a peacemaker if we'd be real. I mean, you would... Am I, wait, am I bugging? No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But when your 8-year-old, you end watch Manor tomorrow on the TV or on a movie, in eight-worlds, hey dad, who is that guy with the shiny helmet?

No, don't worry about it. Man, look. Don't worry about that. Y'all say that. But then y'all tell me about that. Then y'all tell me about the Batman. That fucking movie ain't for kids. That movie is fucking scary.

Like that... Yeah, but they'll watch it. The Batman with Robert Pattinson? I don't know if it's scary. What? Yeah, it's scary. Batman is changing a serial killer. Paul Dowell in that movie is fucking terrified.

I think it's more a thriller. That joke scary when he reveals himself in that opening scene? I would have been freaked out as a kid. Hey, you kids, man. Hey, man, let me tell you kids, is different. Yeah. You kids is different, man. I used to get scared at Vincent Price commercials in 1980.

Vincent Price had an encyclopedia botanica commercial. And we talked about this already. Yeah. Where his eyes glue? Yeah. No. I was freaked out because I can't do our. I was freaked out watching the first Sam Ramey Spider-Man movie because I thought what you would call it?

Evil Day was going to be an, oh, ash. Because they had ash in it. No, no, no, no, because what he would call it. Ash is in the movie. Willem to phone when he was doing all of him talking to himself and said like, that was amazing. I was just like, who was this? You thought you saw the actual devil in a Twilight Zone episode. Who?

You did. The actual, which Twilight Zone episode was there? Oh, yeah, I do remember this. Bringing that up. That's why I love pre-internet days because I would love what your cousin would be like, hey, yo, if you watch Wizard of Oz,

you can see the damn muskins. And you just be sitting there and I'd be like, I can see it. Hey, you know what you just said that and I remember that episode? Yeah. That episode is the Twilight Zone. The Twilight Zone fucks you, man.

It's one of the best things ever. Yeah. But that's a real scary. states the guys got the little fucking staff over the door to keep the devil out getting in the world's crazy okay piecemaker this episode worked the show is doing something

that I think is to Charles's point is a high degree of difficulty I think we'll know in the next couple of episodes whether or not it's working all the way I will say I am not surprised that this show is not a show that is taking over the entire culture

I'm not surprised it's healthy and as long as it pushes the DCU forward, I think it's worth it. Now, it's time to hone in on the show that's starting to kick me in my ass a little bit. All right, before we get there, guys, we're going to take a really, really quick commercial break.

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got to get into it. Alien Earth, everybody put your fucking thing caps on right now. He's about to get dants. All right, Chuck, a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming.

All right, you guys go. I want to hear what you guys think. I will say Alien Earth, this is an ambitious show. This is a hokey and goofy show. There are things that I've seen on this. this where I'm just like, fuck yes, and others where I'm just like, oh, my gosh. And that's why I think I've netted out

and just being super excited whenever I'm watching an episode of this. Because I just like the fact that they are swinging for the fences every single time. There's just one thing that did it, when what you call it, Marcy is talking to the little baby xenomorph. And I'm like, oh, shit. She about to beat a queen in his xenomorph.

I was like, all right, let's fucking go. episode five felt like a alien movie it's like an alien movie it felt like an alien movie is one of the best alien movies that they released and moral as a character

as a man amazing dog like episode five I'm not bullshitting you guys episode five to me is one of the best and it's not as long as one one of the best standalone alien movies

that they've made it's incredible and then you go back and you watch beginning episode one and it all comes comes together. It all like, it was incredible. That episode was great for me because it didn't do the things

that all the other episodes are doing, which is like, hey man, these big ideas about humanity and what's real. Peter Pan voiceovers. Maybe he's got to give you some cool alien shit. Which I'm not saying I don't enjoy, but I am saying I do have to do a lot of thinking in 55 minutes

when watching it. Episode 5 just has people on the ship. Action. Two people fucking when they shouldn't be alien acid. Detective mode. Yeah. Alien acid, burning through the thing. Same shit we've seen.

Some of this shit is shot for shot. Fucking parasites in your water. Oh my God. Disgusting. Dude, I was really in this. I looked at Steve's water bottle and I was like, this is done. This is done terrible damage to the water.

Like, for real. See what he is. But like, super, super fucking tense. The eyeball, the leg of her. The eyeball. The eyeball. who is the smartest character on the show,

a super like subterfuge happening somebody on the ship. Then also the same things from the other alien movies. Morrow, his daughter, all of his stuff, just brilliant stories. I thought the daughter stuff, though,

was really, because this whole time, like, Morrow to me is, like, a fascinating character, but not a character that you're necessarily rooting for. He almost feels like a villain in a lot of ways or just an antagonist. And when we get to that scene, one thing that I thought was so beautiful,

is like you see the dried tear marks on the piece of paper that's informing him that his daughter died. She passed away. And he's been holding out of that paper for a long time. For a long time. And it's just like your, this did such a good job.

You're like, oh shit, they was really stuck on this shit for fucking decades. 65 years. I get that he's super sad about his daughter passing away. Anybody would be, right? But also, you know, and I know that they live, and these are the questions.

in my mind when I watched the show, particularly that episode. They live in this hyper-capitalistic world where corporations control everything and money is a big deal. But you went on like a 60-year mission now or something like that. Like your daughter, when you came back, she was going to be elderly or gone. Yeah. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be sad, but I'm just saying when I saw all of that stuff, that was part of the mind fuck of the episode that was really, really sticking with me. is that this was both a tremendous tragedy,

but also something that he kind of had to have had prepared himself for. Well, it's not even that, but it's just the callous nature in which, like, she didn't even die of old age. He didn't even get to know how she lived. He just reads a piece of paper. They're like, she died into fire. She died in the fire.

Like, we're going to see some of her stuff or some of her personal affairs. And maybe this is stuff I've been reading or whatever, but it's all a jumble. But I got the sense that morrow is almost like a religious. Acolyte of Waylon Utani. Like they give like they kind of tell you like, oh, he was adopted as an orphan. He was a cyborg because he like, they replaced his arm and all this stuff. So I was like, to your point, I was also thinking where I was like, well, you signed up for a 65 year mission. There was a good chance your daughter wouldn't be there.

But then I'm well, oh, if you're a religious fanatic for this company, all you see is the mission. I think because the grandma Utani was the hookup, right? Yeah, yeah. And so when like he gets back, he's like, you did all of this for me. I got to return the favor. That's why he's so intent on getting back those aliens. And what an amazing parallel between him and Wendy. Because she is still a child brought back to life by this corporation,

given all of these resources and all of these things, everything that we do for you, you now owe us because of this is the life we give you. All of these creatures comforts, all these abilities you can do, all the pain you can't feel because of us. Now you must do these things for us. Go on the 65 year mission. I will say the difference, though, is that a boy is manipulating them.

Yeah. Right. And with Morrow, you get the feeling that he knows everything. Yeah. And he's making a choice to like your point is well taken. Right. But with Morrow, it's almost like two different ways to come at it. With Morrow, you get the feeling that he is well aware of everything and has made the

decision. It's almost the difference between the way children fuck up and the way adults fuck up. Children fuck up because they legitimately don't know any better. Like children choose to believe in Santa. Adults choose to perpetuate the lie. But it's the fact that he was

adopted by Wayland Dutani as a child and then his entire life, he's been doing things for that. Right. And the agency that he would then give up to be like, no, fuck this. I've come back from this ship. I've come back from this terrible mission. I could just walk away and he chooses not to.

But the reason, but he's making, I'm not, the choices that he are made, that he's making is, are informed by near religious loyalty. That's true. But at the same time, they are informed choices. Yeah. Like, he's on the ship and, you know, he has to talk to them about whether or not he's going to survive the crash.

Like, I'm not, like, what if I, has to talk about them all kinds of different. He has to, well, he doesn't have to talk about it. He has to, he is the one on that ship that is like, Like, hey, I'm going to fuck what y'all going through. Yeah. Get the things, bring them back. That's it.

That's what we're doing. Get the shit, bring them back. Or I will relieve you of your command because this is what we're doing. And that dim up against each other is just so interesting to me. And then all of this stuff is happening. Boy, starting a company at six and all that. That's happening while he's on the ship. Yeah.

So he's coming back to a fundamentally different world for the things. that he loves so much, which is Waylon Utani. I mean, and what I think these two episodes did really, really well is I'm like, oh, I'm starting to realize the trio of protagonists and what makes them so fundamental in Kirsch, Morrow, and Marcy, where I'm like, okay, you guys are all like an evolutionary line of technology and humanity. And it's so funny when like Kersh and Mora were on the elevator. Oh, my God.

And like such a great scene. And you're realizing with all these characters. to your point where it's like, all of them were either indoctrinated as children, but they're smart enough to realize, oh, am I going to perpetuate the lie? How do I survive in the lie of capitalism? How do I get what I want from this? And I was like, oh, that's the fascinating part of this.

Because I'm like, when Morrow and Kerser are looking at each other, it's like they are in the same way that we see the xenomorphs being a different type of evolution, they're looking at each other like, if I don't kill you, you're going to kill me. It was like some daredevil kingpin. I mean, I'm going to see you at the end, bro. Yeah, I'll see you, man. What about philosophies is going to win out.

It's going to be me and you, and we're going to see who's going to leave standing. Speaking of Kersh, what is he doing? Because in episode six, it all goes to shit. Right. It all goes bad. And he's watching. Like, he knows that Morrow is messing with one of the other higher, hybrids, and he sees that he's dead and that

home boy got the face sucker on his face. And the lab, he's like, cool, this is all doing the plan. Yeah. Is that, is that curse? Or is that a bigger thing with boy and prodigy? No, I think that's all Kirsch. I think it's all Kirsch. I think what Kersh is realizing is that, I think

Kersh is realizing what all of them are, which is like, we are trapped on this island. Like, the island is like a metaphor for, like, we will never get up under from Prodigy, from Cavalier, whatever. And I think he is realizing, okay, if we blow this all up, if they all die, I get my freedom. Because he thinks he's smarter than boy. He thinks he's smarter than all these people. He's like, why are you my boss?

And that's what I find fascinating because all three of like the robots in this are just like, wait, why am I listening to humanity anymore? I'm fundamentally smart. Did you guys find anything about the boy in the arbitration stuff? Did you guys find anything interesting about that at all? Yeah. I really did. I didn't know. It was,

it was gross. It was gross, but it was like almost the first time I had to see boy play with other adults. Oh. Yeah. And like kind of not, it was interesting to see that type of deal, the arbitrator. to see what's actually happening at the top of this deal. There's a weird moment in my alien fandom

where I was like, who the fuck do you think you're talking to? That's way that's Utani. That's why I like, I call myself him like, wait a minute, no, this is an evil billionaire. What are you talking about? But the way that he tries to like, like not even arbitrate, but like the idea that he can

basically give somebody what he wants, but he already knows that he's won before he's walked in. So this is just a thing that he has to sit down for in. whatever petulant like feet on the table shit that he he flipped it on her though he did right he was like I crashed in my

building we could probably we could probably prove negligence I guess we'll give it for another 20 mil we'll give it back but um six months of quarantine they stay this is a very interesting plot hole that I don't know if it is a plot hole there still could be room to explain it

but it's the the conversation in episode five when the sabbatore on the ship is having a conversation not just with somebody for prodigy, but with boy, but with him being like, oh yeah, just crash the ship in my city

and then you'll be the first one in line to be in this transhuman thing. Does Whalen Yutani not have that in the black box of the ship? I mean, probably, to like monitor that conversation. But they were also transporting illegal goods.

So it's kind of like, is it probably, they may have it. Also, you'd have to think that if you're having this type of conversation about that level of corporate espionage that maybe you had some way to hide it or cloak

it was on the ship and Morrow found it. Right, but it took him a minute to decrypt the whole thing. It took the second. And so ultimately it just kind of feels like they've got illegal goods. We've done illegal stuff. We got to keep it you know, we got to keep it in line. There's just this interesting like weird thing where you're

like you don't know how technologically they advanced they are versus like oh can you just not like email that message to Utani herself or that literally something physically you have to pick up and move. I'm sure that Moros told her that.

Probably. Charles said something interesting. There's a season two for this coming. Yes. Do you think Boye survives this season? Well, it's not announced yet, but it's probably going to happen. I've heard things. So I don't think Boyt will survive for a couple reasons. Personally, where it seems like this,

where Alien Earth is going, is I'm like they basically are giving us two alien movies where it's like I think that there's a reason we loved episode five which is because it's a ship, we know the rules, we have seen this and they're operating at the highest order. And I'm like, oh,

they're doing, it seems like they're leading us to like a James Cameron aliens with the island. And I'm like, after that, I'm just like, I don't know if it makes sense for Boyd to survive after that. I think they're, because traditionally in these movies,

one or two survivors. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, if I had to put my money on who it would be, I'm just like, oh, Marcy is already realizing that she's smarter than Boy. And I'm just like, why would you need Boy in the series when he's literally created these sins

that are outthinking him? And I was just like, oh, I was just like, do you think that they could do another season on the island? Because I don't. No, no, I think they'd have to change settings as far as that's concerned, because they'd have to change settings and change thrusts,

especially when you see, what city do we think that's in with the corporate headquarters of Wayland Utani? I mean, they've got made-up cities. Made-up cities. So it's not like, LA, New York or something like that. No, because they buy out, like,

and not continent cities. Like, when he was just like, oh, it crashed in my city. I'm like, oh, Prodigy owns this whole shit. So, you know, we've, obviously, there's always a part of this that's going to be in space, but this is alien Earth.

Alien Earth. So being that it's alien earth, you want to think that if they're going to tell a story that's more corporate, maybe they go to one of these cities or maybe they go somewhere else. But I don't think it'll be on the island anymore. This six had a lot of different xenomorph stuff. It's very xenomorphy, which we had talked about before that there wasn't enough xenomorph. We're getting different types of xenomorph. The more she can communicate with the xenomorph and start what seems like,

is going to be a family with the xenomorph. I'm that fascinating. If y'all hate that, I'm going to be something. It's amazing. What's breaking my brain is, like, she's communicating with the xenomorph. What is he saying? Yeah, what are they saying?

What are you guys talking about? I want to know. Also, the little xenomorph is so cute. I like, is that cute. Wait, is it the baby one, like in the snake form or like the proto one where there's like a little toddler? The little one. The little one.

I don't fuck with the fly one. I don't like fly. Wait, the one that killed... Curly, what's the one? Isaac. With the acid shit, I was... I don't fuck with that. I don't fuck with the ticks.

The ticks was just... It's tough. It was bad. The eyeball's the worst one. No, I love the eyeball. That's the sick guy. He's sick. The eyeball could be...

Well, I don't want to say that. I think the eyeball is the... The eyeball might be the smartest thing on the entire show. See, here's the thing. I want eyeball to find a way to talk to us and be like, I got history. I got beef with xenomorphs. That's why we got to kill these xenomorphs.

That's why I think he, that's why I think Boy Cavalier dies. I think because the eyeball is the most intelligent alien, as far as we know, we've seen, especially through episodes five and six, put them in the body of the most intelligent person on the island. I think it makes thematic sense. Oh. We'll see what that looks like. But the eyeball in boy cavalier. But here's the thing. You've already been inside of a human before,

and he only was like, like that. Like he can only just like walk around. Like he doesn't know how to talk. No, that is a great. Jomi, to your point, I do think that the eyeball most likely will, because what I think is interesting, what happens if Kersh is like,

oh, I'm teaming up with the eyeball. He's up in Boy Cavalier. But my question was, can the eyeball not commune? or was that guy already dead? Like, I couldn't tell. Right, right. I think it was maybe either figuring out

how to communicate or something. Like, maybe it could figure out how to communicate as a sheep. We don't know. Because I also think in that body for a minute. Think about Marcy. Like, in the same way, like, Marcy is becoming super intelligent

and the eyeball is becoming super intelligent. Potentially, I think it just might have to learn how to communicate. How to communicate, but like talk, though? Like, talk. Like, actually, or maybe like, parliamentary ways of, like, pointing and. Yeah, I just think that makes the most sense because, like, again, in episode five, we see the eyeball attack the xenomorph.

Zemorph doing like an eyes. So you can't infiltrate the Zonimo. I thought my fucking prediction was getting ready to come true. Oh, of the eyeball going into the Xenorm? Of the eyeball going to the Xenemort. Wait, but also, do you guys remember? I forget who it was, but like somebody started biting the xenomorph. And I was like, this motherfucker got acid blood.

They don't know. They don't know that. They don't know. They don't know. The animals don't just have acid blood. I thought it was it alien one or two when what's his face goes It's molecular the xenomorphs acid blood is fucking crazy Crazy strong

You know the acid is not like It won't burn I'm always impressed by the acidness of the xenomorphs blood It's burning right through everything it touches Yes right away so don't bite him Right if you bite him You're gonna burn your face off Well that's what happened to the guy where they try to take off the face hunger

Yeah And it just like burned the acid straight through his neck. I'm telling you, bro, that episode five was a fucking dog. Yeah. The episode five was crazy. You know, an episode of TV is good when you got to stand up. You're watching it like this in front of the TV.

The alien only got like two kills. The rest was a face hugger, the blood microbes. I'll take a full-grown xenomorph on. I don't like the face-hugger. I was telling you. I was asking you guys. I can't do it. The guy.

has a face hugger on his face and they see the the acid has fucked up the other guy so they decide hey we're just going to put this guy in cryo stupid and see it was stupid every decision that gets made an alien is stupid all of them our engineer guys like hey throw them both in the airlock

have done with it every time I like them being dumb I think Noah Hawley has talked about because like how are they this dumb but I'm just like yo these are indentured servants they do not want to be here and there are some smart people and also it's been years so they like Think about it.

It is like being that show dead-end job for 65 years. You like... A lot of the show is about the tension between intellect and belief, though. Yeah. That's one thing that the show really litigates over and over again. It's like you might be the person that could figure out everything that has all the knowledge, that has all the understanding. But how far you go in this world seems to be about what you're willing to do based upon

what you believe, what you think, like, the, and that's really interesting because that makes smart people make dumb decisions. Yeah. The hubris of man. Yeah. Right? Like, I'm smarter. Like, these guys are just, again, they're just animals, you know what I'm saying?

Like, like, Hermit was telling March in the beginning episode six, you know, and she's like, what about bees and ants? They have colonies. They communicate. Yeah. Like, we're not, there's not just all things that we can step on. These things actually are real. and we should care about them.

But they don't. That's how they're doing. She's fucking learning that she's communicating with it. Exactly. So she, that is, you know, whenever Steve's people came here back in the day

and just started killing people, the one thing that, if you read some of these historical accounts, things changed for even the bloodthirsty maniacs that were coming from other places. Once they started communicating with the people that they were talking to, there were members of them, that honestly, if you want to look at this whole thing as her communicating with a native, all right,

everybody else is figuring out how they exploit the situation. And then there are two people who can communicate. Then you start to go, well, not her case. What I'm talking about in the case of the human history. Oh, they have a god. They have mythology. They have methodology. They have things that they've created beautiful stories.

They have songs. They have all of this stuff because you can talk and communicate with them. them, you're starting to learn stuff. And there are always people that used to call it going native back in the day. Like that's what the whole, what the mutiny on the bounty was about and all of that stuff, going native. You start getting the tattoos and, you know how

like, like, like, you know, the white boys in high school and then they go to O Block one time and they come back with dreads and all the day. That's because they didn't talk to the people and they understand the language. So as I'm watching her, I'm watching her, she's not essentially going native because obviously the xenomorph is in her

not on its worlds in her world, whatever. And it's interesting to see her get closer to them and I wonder where that goes. All I was going to say is what I think is like a very, very good writerly choice is I kept being like, wait, why are they sticking these kids' brains and these robot bodies? And I was just like, oh,

because when you think about how the xenomorph propagates, it is a parasite that hugs on to an adult body or anybody and then ask, like, I'm just like, oh, so she's, I'm like, oh, even if she doesn't know it yet, she's finding something in this creature. And like, when she's talking to hermit or whatever, she's like, no, no, no, she's starting to realize I'm closer to a xenomorph than I might be to a human. I'm also in a host body. And I was just like, oh, that's a very, very smart choice. Because I'm like, now she can see, not the humanity because like the xenomorph isn't, but she can see something in it.

That is just like, this is a living thing. It's a living thing. And she's losing the confidence in, like, the system because what happened to Nibs, right? Nibs was doing the whole I'm pregnant thing. And so they wiped her memory. And she was like, oh, remember the fight we did, which all happened within the span of like a week? Yeah. I guess.

Like, remember the last couple of days? And it was like, nah. And then she goes to Dame Sylvie. She's like, yo, what was that? What the fuck happened? Yeah. What out of my girl? And so that coupled with Hermit getting.

like the boat credentials turning off the tracker, they in for a little escape. Does she take baby Xenomorph with her? That's my little homie. He got to come to. No, he's already grown up, I thought. Yeah, you got to be like teenage. Yeah, little teenage.

They're like, yeah, we got to bring a little homie too. He's part of the family. It's me, your human brother, Marcy, the hybrid, and then we have the Zillowlo. No, when they escape, I would not be surprised if she's like, hey, y'all mothick's scared. style me, I got a Zeta more. Probably about that.

Yeah. Like, what y'all gonna do? And then you told me. He's like, she already killed an adult Zeno more. She more dangerous than that. There's so much happening, but I'm gonna be real, man. Now, I'm locked in. I'm definitely, I love him.

Really locked in. The show begins and ends with moral to me. I don't know why. Yep. I don't know why. He needs to carry over. I don't know why I'm so into that character. character. Moral is just

one of the most interesting television characters that I've seen debut new on a show in at least a few years. This guy's got to be Emmy-bound for sure. Yeah, he's doing great. It's incredible. It's fantastic. You know what I mean? Like, I put it on the same level,

NSO-I's character. Oh, in Shogun? Yeah. In Shogun, yeah. Yeah, it's like that same level. What a interesting character to me. because it's so just a microcosm of everything that's going on and kind of a commentary

on the way we get wound up and used by corporations like today. What they can promise what we sacrifice, what we give to them and how we even my obsession with superheroes, right? When you boil it down, there's mythology

and all of that stuff. and connection and all. But it is like a 42-year-old allegiance to a corporate creation or something that became corporate. That makes me buy shit and consume shit and do stuff and then talk about it and sell it to them. And defend it. And it's very, oh, no, it's an interesting thing to consider. To your point, and this is why I loved, this is why I'm totally on the morrow train.

The actor is doing a phenomenal job. is like, to your point about bringing up superheroes, this corporation got him when he was a child. And they saved him and they gave him the thing that he needed when he was like hungry and desperate. And I do think that like that's the interesting thing about this show is like, that's what happens whether there's superheroes, religion, whatever. It's like if it catches you at a certain time when you need it most.

It has you for life. It has you for life. And you're going to be a soldier. And there's a part of you that cannot. Because I'm like, the thing that's interesting about morrow is I'm like, you lost a child. And now you are manipulating a child. and threatening to kill a child's parent

to get what you want. Something a self-respecting father would never do. It would never do. I'm like, you've given yourself so over to this corporation. You are doing these things, or I'm just like, oh, like, the humanity in him is so lost. It's so lost. It is lost.

But then at the same time, there's a thing there's a twin-cloth. There's a thing there to where it's like, the one thing that's more human about anyone is loyalty and allegiance to the thing that saved you when you were a child. In a way, Waylon Yutani is his mom or his dad. In a way, the same way that it takes you so long to really tell the truth about your parents to yourself and about the people and about the society that raised you, he's very grown. And the way, he's still a kid.

But it's not like a childlike fight for approval. No. It's literally it is a loyalty. A loyalty to keep that thing Like in first place and surviving and to do what that thing wants you to do Last question before we get out of here Let's say you in that world, you know You're walking around

You're in Utani headquarters, you a janitor or something like that Utani, she sees you She's like, what's up with you? What's happening? You down? You with it? Down what? Down with being with her?

Okay, you're asking this. as if there isn't a, there's a no possible in this scenario. I mean, you could say no, but on this way, like... Absolutely not, you can't say no. You can't say no, you... You got to think about the... Wait a bit.

No, no, no, no. My pension is fuck. It's enough. My pension is fuck. Hold on. Hold on. Oh, hold on. What about that?

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You can't do that. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying. And we're back from deep shadow protocol right now. We're not shadow protocol and shit. Yeah. Like, you went out of deep californ. So you're saying that whoever's above you trying to smash, you got to let it happen.

See, I don't think that's true. And I'm telling you that you have a choice. And I want to free you from that. Right. So at the same time, Yutani, you know, she went in. She's like, you know, stuck with my grandmother and all of that shit like that. You think she's trying to fuck Armour? I don't think she is.

No. But when he was there, I was looking at it like, what if she made a play for him? What if she went? I want to see how deep your loyalty to this company. You know, we gave you an arm. What else do we give you? I want you to swing that sideboard. I want you to see how deep it goes.

You know what I'm saying? How deep it goes. How deep it goes. We keep the samurai guys with guns in the room. They could be what. She had like a, she was like, those guys, they, like, guard the, what in the name of the guys that, uh, it reminds me of? The name of the guys that used to guard. Oh, and last Jedi?

Yeah. Praetorian guards. Yeah. They guarded kind of like them, right? They look crazy. It looked crazy. It looked cool. I don't know why he had to put them in all that room with all those guys with guns.

He would have killed them all anyway. I don't understand what that was in the other? Moro? Moro? Moro? Man, come on. Unarmed? You saw?

With, like, four guys for guns? Nah, no, no. But also, here's the thing, Morrow. I'd like to see it. He was looking at the captain and the co-captain getting down. I'm like, you watching this a little too much. He's crazy. When, bro, they get out the cry up, he's like, yeah, man, Zoria and whatever, they was out there.

Creeping on her. She likes to be on top. It's a little thing. I was like, bro. I'm easy. I got to say, first of that guy was an asshole. He was a dead thing. I'm like, terrible.

I got a. That episode was a freaky episode, too. Absolutely. Because you learned kind of everything you needed to know about every single character within like 10 minutes. The crazy Asian dude? That was just watching the lady in the cry. I was like, wait. I was like, sure.

It was actually too much of, they telegraphed it. It would have been too telegraphed for him. Yeah. But I was like, God damn, this freak chickie kids want me can't even sleep. Freak dog. You can't, 65 years and you can't make no connection. What they did. You don't do it if I'm watching somebody sleep.

You're not supposed to. But they do. Did. And good for them. Moro was watching them going on. They had made themselves a little. That was cute. It was nice.

Do they have like, do they have corn hub and shit? Or it's like you don't got no internet. So like that's all you do. Well, you spend a lot of time in cryo, right? And then you get up and like, you know, a couple cycles, whatever. And I guess like, they finally. I mean, he was walking around his wighty tides. I'm just like, you freaked.

She called him out. She was like, you're in your underwear. What ship was more freaked out? The Maginot or the submarine for Mission Apostle 8? Oh. shit. Because here's the thing. Tom Cruise

wasn't in their bitch and they was salivating. They wanted to fuck him, huh? They kind of did. When he got on the shit and everybody was looking at him. Hey, Tom Cruise. That's one thing that Tom Cruise

does good in his movies. He manages to make a movie where in every scene he is the man in every type of way. They get him out there and everybody's looking at him.

Like, look at this fine motherfucker right here. And then in the scene where they're fighting, this motherfucker is the man. Think about how she looked at her. When he was fucking over everybody. She was in that same movie. Yeah, yeah. And she was definitely like, oh, my God, but she was also like, ooh, it's just sex.

Sex, he can hunt, sex. Sex, man. Listen, anyway. It does a thing, bro. But also, we could ask, Millennium Falcon was even freakier because, you know, Lando was sticking his dick in the... Landau was going to make him. Do the shit. Which is crazy.

Yeah, he was fucking his own. Which is crazy. You know what? That's how much we fuck with. Where does it go? Lando as a character. He built a glory hole into it. We never talk about that.

You know what? Into the millennium fuck? Yeah. It's the one in a galaxy part of our way. They definitely have some shit where it's like, if you want a glory hole in your shit, we can build the shit. My thing is everybody else had a little something going on. Right. Even at some point, you know, this is legends and all of that.

Lou gets Marjade and all that stuff. Who did Chewy get to fuck? See, this is my thing. Like every, so everybody has something going on. Everybody had something going on, right? They had all this stuff. You know, Yeah, and I can't remember if I read anything in legends about this.

But I can't remember it's been so long. But who did Chewy get the, okay, he has a wife. Okay. Mala. Mala. This is a legend. This is legends. This is legends.

This is legends. This is legends. Yeah. This is legends. This is legends. First appeared on the Star Wars holiday special. Oh, the house of 78. Yeah, I've only ever seen that once.

That's so funny. Because imagine if, like, Chewy's married the whole time and he's just off with Han doing all adventures, you got a wife and kids like to Chris. But he's got a son. That's smart, because he didn't bring them kids around Kylo Ren. He saw that.

No, boy, he's like, that's a wife. He's doing it. That's how I know Chewy Black. He's like, I can't deal with your wife. Because you have to imagine Kyleo was probably fucked. You know how you see, they see a kid in the neighborhood and they'd be like, tell you, Van.

I told you guys. The story about... Yes. Okay. My daddy told me, you're not right? Rex, Rex. Yeah. My dad took the...

He got a bad rack. And that's probably Kyle O'Rey. Kyle Nguer probably had a bad rack. But also what's fucked up that nobody in the galaxy wants to say is I'm just like, you know how bad it is in a family when it's like the Jedi Council saw Anakin and he was like... No. No. Everybody saw Kyle.

Yeah. I did something and I took heat on it from Twitter. So, Monday night football was on. Okay. Kalee could flip the channel and Rogue One was on. It was Vader. And I don't give a fuck who's playing. It could be the Super Bowl.

I'm finishing it. Right. You're watching the hallway scene. Yeah. The hallway, it was on. Cleek and flip the channel. Like, I'm about the Super Bowl.

It could be the Super Bowl. Nah, let's not lie. If you're watching, that's what's that difference between me and you. Let's not lie. Let's not lie. I am not lying. That's not true. It's not true.

It's not true. You can come back. It's on YouTube. It's going to be there. It's true. Why would they kill you? They were killing me because I said that even when Darth Vader is getting busy, at his busiest, if you look at Darth Vader, not as Darth Vader,

but as Anakin Skywalker inside the suit, is sad. Yeah, it's so sad. Yeah. If you look at it as, forget it, don't look at it as Darth Vader. Look at it as Anakin inside the suit and he's crying. He's going crazy. His eyes is all yellow. He fucked up.

Is Anakin inside. Charles is not buying. Yeah, there's a canonized book where it's like he gets stronger, the angrier he gets, so he has to stay angry. But I will say, he did fumble a baddie. So if I'm like, if I fumble like, you know, Princess Amadala, I might be like, fuck this, bro. Everybody got to feel my pain.

I'm like Drake. He choked. You're going to blow it whole. So, Darth Vader is the most understandable crash out in all the fiction? No, not the most understandable because this is the one rule you can't do. You can't try to kill your man's over some shit. Like, you got at least have to have the conversation. Y'all.

You got to have the conversation. the next specialty pod the greatest crashouts in fiction history most understandable most justified we should do a crashouts draft or crash outs because think about it it's some crashouts

iron man was was justified to crash out on Bucking and Cap in Civil War justifiable crash out justifiable crash out justifiable crash out is crash outs out here like killmonger honestly a justifiable Kielmonger, justifiable

Crasson. Killed his pops. Killed his dad. It's so funny. Man, shout out to Captain America. He didn't try to do it. I don't know. I was like, fuck that.

Kill my mom. That's a cold lie. He killed my mom again. You bitch-ass nigger, Cap, you bitch nigger, bro. We didn't, bro. We didn't, we didn't fall together. Your home boy killed my mother.

And you can't let me get the one. You can't let me give me, just let me get a one with him. Get the fuck out. the way. Just let me get a one with him. Let me get a one with your boy. Who killed my mom?

Well, so, but here's the thing. There's also unjustifiable crashouts because the funniest thing that's ever been is like with Stephen Hage is like, Maggie Jellon. Like, yeah. That's not just a father. That was so crazy. That's not just the file. That's not like that or something.

Because Maggie Jellahallet. She wasn't doing it before we. That's not. That's not just a viable. Like, I love it for a number, but I'm right. Hey, bro. That's not a good one, bro. We shouldn't do that, dog.

That's not right. No, no, no, no, no. We got to be a bad. We got a guy. No, no, no, we can't. That's a just, no. No, we didn't. No, I'm not doing that, bro.

I'm not doing that, bro. They knew each other since they were kids. They were going to. We would have to put that in the crash outs. They knew each other. since they was kids, they was in love. We definitely not about to go here. It's not right, man.

You shouldn't do that to people. We should do it. We should do the crash outs of fandom. Robert Patterson. Batman crashing out on Alfred. It's a crashout. That's an unjustified crashout. All right.

So we're going to do a, we're going to put these crash outs on trial. Everybody, if you're listening, send us some crash outs that we haven't heard. That we haven't heard. There's, Anakin got several different crashouts, crash out in the sand people. So many Kyle O'Ren crashouts. Luke crashing out.

Luke crashing out there. A bunch of different crashouts that have happened. We're going to do the best crashouts in fandom. And we're all going to bring them and we're going to talk about the number one crashouts or litigate the crashouts. Are they justified or not? Unjustified justified crashouts.

I like this. Because some of these crash outs, they don't make that much sense. No. Oh, you know what these is the number one? My man, Peter Quill crash out. If any you are, like, come on. Again, this is great body because it is justified because that is your girl.

It's not justified. It's not justified. It's not just a lot. That's your girl. You got to stand up at the same time. The fate of the universe is at stake. Yeah. That's not even a good crash out.

No. You didn't even crash out to the fullest of your ability. That's his girl, though. You're telling me, man, don't kill your girl. You got to be like, you got to do something. You got to stand up. He, he, he hit. I know the universe is at stake.

Yeah. How about this? Do something by the best. Say something? Has to say something? It's not like he took his gun and shot Thanos in the head. He hit him, yeah. He hit him with the gun.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Did you know? I'm not saying it's just one on one. I understand. You think he didn't, I know Quill didn't know that. He didn't take the fucking gun and walk up and blames and shoot him in his shit. Which wouldn't have done anything.

We don't know. We won't know. Maybe it would have. He hit him with the gun. He pistol whipped that. It's not going to work, dog. What are you doing? Don't think.

Yeah, but if you could do the electric slide and be wronging, you probably are just like, I can pistol whip thinos and it'll work out. This is going to be a great episode. We got it. All right, man. That's a wrap. Y'all guys made me sad thinking about Peter Quill.

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