The Ringer-Verse - 'Rings of Power' and 'House of the Dragon' Catch-Up, Plus D23 Predictions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: September 7, 2022

Van, Charles, and Jomi are back to give you their latest thoughts on the highly anticipated 'The Rings of Power' as Charles attempts to sell Van on the show (06:54). Then the boys dive into their thoughts on the latest episode of 'House of the Dragon' (28:43). Later, they predict what they expect might be revealed at the D23 conference this weekend (51:53). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, and Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are. Jomey be explaining or did her on about questions. He's got answers. We are. Cote baby Chuck, the 24-carat closer, aka a brunch haughty. We are old man, van. the resilient hairline. He of the beard. Growing out my beard.

And together, we are known as of the midnight boys. Oh! Oh! Okay. Thursday, Ben Lindbergh returns to breakdown episode four of She-Hoke, which is just destroying people. It's too much. It's, it's, it's,

wait, did you see the tweet where somebody's just like only straight men aren't attracted to twerking? And I'm like, all right, We're doing too much. Like, we are like, we are literally. Come on. It's so crazy. We're litigating things we already know.

We know that's a cap. That's a cap. But Charles, give me credit. When I saw the screeners, you said, you called your shot. I told you. I said, this is going to have people into Tizzy. This is going to destroy the internet. I was like, this is going to have people into Tizzy.

I called it. He will be joined by Jody Walker this time. It's very, very fun. Friday, House of R will be diving deep into the third episode of Rings of Power. Rings of Power. I passed by a sign, and it had the Olympics on it, you know?

And I think, that's kind of like the Rings of Power. All of those Olympic rings together. I feel like the Olympics. Genius, genius insight. I feel like, shut the fuck up, Charles. I feel like the Olympics, the Olympic rings have like a meaning or something, right? They do.

What's the meaning, Joan? So, you know, the colors, can you name it all the colors on the Olympic, on the Olympic rings? Let's do it. How many rings are there? Five, I imagine. Thank you. Red, yellow, yellow, blue, green. Purple?

Purple? No. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. So do we have those four right? You have those four right. You missed one. Yellow, blue, green. White?

No. The back of the flag is white. No, no, no, no. Don't red, yellow, blue, green. Orange. No. Wait. Okay.

What's the color? One more, yeah, one more guess. One more guess. Black? Black. Yeah. Oh, all right.

And it's those colors, I believe, because, like, every single flag on the planet has, you know, one of those colors. And so it's supposed to represent, you know, every single, you know, the global, the global flags. Look at you. This is how I know you got to be a basketball. I'm going to be, Jomey. Jomi is, that's a great pool. by Jomey, I was expecting it to be something more exciting than that.

Listen, I didn't, I don't make it like. I know you didn't do it. It's not your doing, but I was expected to be, well, these are the rings because the Greeks back in the day and Leonidas used the rings. Leonidas was Spartan. It's a Spartan. It's Greeks. This is different, but the same.

Okay. Saturday, Charles Joe and I will be giving you a special House of Midnight reaction to the Marvel and Lucasville panel at D-23. We got to go to D23 on Saturday, and it's looking like there's going to be some reveals at D23, but some big titles.

I'm not sure what's happening. The rumors go in one ear and out the other this time. It's not, I don't let it happen to me like it happened before. I heard that John Cresensi's going to be there. Then I heard that Pinn Bagley was going to be there. And I heard that Pinn Bagley was going to lock John Cresensky in a dungeon that he had under a bookstore. Oh my goodness.

You know what I mean? I just heard all. I'm excited for D23? Not particularly. You know? Why? Because you know. Because I know what.

Black Adams is not going to be there. The Rock isn't going to be there. There's no changing. I got to be. Charles. Charles. It's getting old. What?

My passion? My love. It's getting over. Like, we know that this is, Jomey, we're aware that Charles is being ironical, right? He's not being ironic. I'm not being ironic. He's trolling.

I, I am not trolling. How dare you? How dare you? But my girlfriend is not happy with. No, of course she's not. You're ruining her life for no reason. Like everything that you're doing is for no reason at all.

Wait, did I tell you that? As one point, she was just like, fine, I'll watch the trailer. I'm just going to watch the trailer. I just need to figure out what, like, what is this thing? That wasn't a good. I think it made her more upset. She's just like, this is it. This is why your torture knows.

Real quick. Like Adam. October 21st. First of all, I do want to say, I'm not like not excited for D23, but I think the companies have to understand that for me at 42, there's only so much excitement. You know what I mean? Like I excited for Comic Con, excited for trailer, excited, excited, excited. I got to do HRV breathing just to keep my, my nervous system and check at this point. I can't get like super excited. My friend has a boxing match that night. So there's a lot of stuff to do. I'm going. going back and forth.

So, no, I'm, it's going to be fun. But I can't think, oh, I can't wait with anything. It's going to be fun. When they announce Robert Dad and Juniors coming back, you're going to lose it. So, you know. They ain't doing that at D23. But he will be coming back. We're going to be doing that.

Marvel Lucasfilm panel reaction, D23. That's going to be great. This Sunday, Talk to Thrones is back. Again, as Chris Ryan, C.R. Army, stand up. Mal and Joe give you their instant reactions to my favorite show. House of the Dragon. And that's right after the episode is over. I love House of the Dragon.

Crab Feeder. On today's show, we'll be doing a midnight check-in on Rings of Power and House of the Dragon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve, do me a favor, Steve. Roll the spoiler warning. Roll that bill for beam footage. We're getting ready to talk about the Rings of Power.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, so look, here's the deal. I haven't watched Rings of Power. I haven't watched it. What is it with you in this fantasy shit? Because I have to literally, like, pull you. I'm like, man, just watch the episodes.

You're like, nah, I'm not really interested. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, what's it? Like, what's going on? First of all, how dare you? Oh, dear. What a ridiculous indictment. You don't even have the fucking time.

on this planet to act like I don't love the fantasy stuff. I love all of the fantasy stuff. Don't act like you weren't like House of Dragon. I'm not going to go. The only reason you don't understand. See, this is what people in the New America do. New America. The New America.

The New America to where that I helped create at TMZ by cooking headlines, the New America where headlines mean more than the article, the New America where snapshots mean more. than the entire moving picture. And when you say two different fantasy things, you act as if these things exist in a vacuum, as if I wasn't excited to watch Game of Thrones, it wasn't a huge, and then I didn't see all the Lord.

It's not that it's fantasy, it's that it's more shit from shit that I've already watched. My bad. I apologize. I apologize. Can I say something before, Jomey and I pitch you on Lord of the Rings, the Rings of Power? I have to talk to you guys about something. Something that's weighing deep on my heart.

Talk about this shit gets annoying. Because, like, I got to talk to the fans really quick. First of all, I don't live my whole life seeing, like, white people, butcher, every type of names. My African homies, the Haitian homies, Latin X, Japanese. Brough, y'all can't fucking pronounce any of those names to save your goddamn life. And you want to be like, that's not how you pronounce the elf's name

and blah, blah, blah. Or it's just like, well, actually, if you read the books and this is what actually. And I'm like, guys, it's jokes, bro. It's jokes. Like, can we just enjoy the TV show, man? Like, it don't got to be that serious. Like, we can't.

But I'm going to be honest with you guys. You guys don't understand that having your toxicity come out over some fucking Lord of the Rings is the worst way to live your life. let's say you're having a conversation about a real world issue and your toxicity creeps out. You don't take the cues from some of your sisters in society about what you shouldn't be doing as a man. Or me and Charles and Jomey have to sit you down and explain to you race relations. That's okay.

Those are real world things that you're kind of allowed to get all fucked up about, right? Because they matter and you've been raised in a certain way. you think I'm about to listen to you talk shit to people about some motherfucking she-hawk you think I'm gonna take it serious that you're mad I'm not saying that I don't care about

the source material I've devoted a lot of my life to it but I'm not about to get all up in a fucking tizzy because there's something like on the last podcast we were talking about the fact that Corliss is going to put rims on the dragon. He's not a dragon rider.

It was a fucking joke guys. Come on. Like, I want, like, you guys, I'm, you know what I'm saying? Like, guys, I, I promise you guys. Is it your ridiculous that we're having to litigate it? No, no, no, no, no, no. You know what I want people to know? I'm with them.

I'm one of you. I'm you. Why? We don't have to do this to each other. You know, I've got my ass kick for this my whole life. Y'all don't understand. I don't like cool people. I don't like, before I get off.

soapbox. It's going to say one more thing. I don't like people who like this shit now. I only like people who like this shit in 95. Oh. Because I'll be honest with you. Because all of this shit to like it in 95,

that was different. Now, they got fucking lunchboxes with got the fucking wasp on them. You're not really from the streets. I'm from the streets. They didn't have lunchboxes in 1999. They didn't have lunchboxes in 1995. They had lunchboxes, but not with fucking Black Widow on them. She didn't get a lunchbox back then.

Not with Falcon on it. Falcon didn't get a lunchbox. I'm saying everything's gone on. Yeah, I know you had an X-Men lunchbox. Come on. Oh, I had an X-Men lunchbox. Oh, you for sure, dude. Yeah.

You know, I had an X-Men lunchbox in high school. Hmm. Damn. Just bring a lunchbox to high school. You got to keep the lunch with you somewhere. You can't really nothing. I'm like on the football team and shit? You was just, damn.

I had a lunchbox in high school. Ninth grade, I would bring my lunchbox. people made fun to me at first, but then after that, it kind of became like a cool thing. Like, I was like a trendsetter with a lunchbox. Anyway. Now, y'all are better than me, though, because I tweeted out a joke like last week about rings of power.

And all my mentions were like, well, but the books, let me stop you right there, pal. I don't care. I'm watching the show, man. Like, I'm just watching the, I'm taking what the show's giving me. Like, there's something about like, I understand, like, you know, it's not, it's, again, this is not for people who just like, I read the book, like, oh, like, I'm rocking with you,

you know, it's the people who are. were like, I read the books and let me tell you why the show was wrong and why your tweet. Like, bro, come on, man. We're just trying to enjoy the content. It's not that serious. So look, so look, okay, let's talk about this real quick. I don't so much have a problem with that. And let me tell you why, Jones.

I don't have a problem with that because if you want to open up a conversation about how something has changed from source material to actual, oh, you're not fucking with it, John. Listen, if I wanted to read the book, I read the books. Like, I'm watching the show. But like even there are other things Like the autobiography of Malcolm X by Alex Haley, right?

When I watch the movie, I go, okay, well, there's certain gaps in here and these gaps are explainable by the fact that the book went so much more into detail and this and have to cut these parts out and blah, blah, blah, blah. I actually enjoy sometimes learning from people that have a more, that have a better grasp,

shall I say, of the source material. I actually don't have a problem with that because it sometimes adds a new perspective to what I'm watching. And that's great. That's great. I love that for you. I didn't ask.

I didn't ask. I love you, Jolie. My man. My man. If I wanted to, like, get more intel, I would be like, hey, anybody who read the books or something, da-da-da, right? Like, I just, I'm literally watching what they're telling me on screen. I'm like, oh, this is funny. Like, oh, actually, bro, I promise you, I promise you, I don't care.

I've never seen them like this before. No, Jomi's on the socials. So he got to read the comments. No, no. Hey, but real quick, though. Jomey's been going nuts, though, Charles. Jomi, Jomi clapped back at people who had a problem. What a joke he made about student loan forgiveness.

Yeah, you not, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to meet ride politicians in my mentions, bro. It's just not going to happen. New nickname. It's not going to be a lot. Jomey the destroyer. Jome the destroyer.

Jomey the destroyer. New nickname. we're here because Jomi and I watch Rings of Power. Van hasn't had the time yet. And also, like, I sat down and, like, then you're going to have to take an afternoon because these are some fucking long episodes. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, I think it's not that I'm going to sell you on Rings of Power is like, it's the best TV show you'll ever see. I honestly just want you to watch it because I want to talk about it with you because there are parts in both episodes where I'm like, oh shit, they spent a million dollars on this. This shit looks dope. And then there are other parts where I'm like, hey, my man, we might have,

who story wise, we might be a little rough. If you're trying to sell me on watching the show, are you going to be able to do this? Are you going to be able to be positive enough about the show to actually sell me or watching the show? I'm not selling you about being positive. It's a perfect example. You know what it's like, it's about like,

it's like Kevin Durant going to the Golden State Warriors. You just kind of want to see what happens. Or it's just like, I'm selling you on the, fact that you're going to see a spectacle. Whether you think that that spectacle should exist, whether you think it's going to ruin the game, whether you think it's like foundational to like what this thing that you love should be. I can't pitch you on that. I could just pitch you on the fact that like it's entertaining seeing them try. Like it's entertaining seeing a company be like, we are going to spend a billion dollars to see if we can recreate the magic of Game of Thrones.

And there are parts in the show where I was like, damn, this is wild. Like when you, tell somebody we're making a Lord of the Rings show. And then you see it, you're like, I mean, they did make it. It looks good and it looks like they made a Lord of the Rings show. And then there are some times where I'm like, wow, what's happening? Is the show good?

Is the show good? I think so. It's solid. That's where I'll put it. It's like, it's a solid, solid show. I watched it and I had like a good time on my Friday. I'm not, after two episodes, I'm not ready to give it like good stamp. yet. And I think we can get into this right now. I think a lot of it has to do with House of the

Dragon and Rings of Power coming out at the same time because it's like, it's two different flavors. And I'm more of the House of the Dragon flavor where I'm like tapped in, where it's with rings of power, it's a lot more family friendly. It's a lot more earnest because Tolkien's work is a lot more, this is good, this is bad, we are fighting ultimate evil. And it's just a lot to wrap your head around going from like House of the Dragon on Sunday and then a few days prior going to rings of power. Is that fair, Jomey? I think there's, especially to your point of the differences between Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings. Like, it's very, very, very stark. And the, like, it's very grim on House of the Dragon. You know, there's been.

blood. It gets darkyly lit, you know, versus brings a power where it's bright, you know, and people are, people are nice to each other and they're like telling jokes, I don't da-da. You know, it looks incredible. Like, that's the one thing, like, I can't get away from. Like, it looks great. But on a big TV, it's shining, you're like, wow, can be honest with you, can be honest with you guys? If this segment is supposed to be. Pitching me or watching me watching like rings of power. I've never heard a least compelling job. It's hard.

It's difficult. I only see two episodes. Bro, bro, but listen, it's like you go to a car, right? The guy wants you to buy the car. He's like, hey, man, this car is pretty good at times. You know? Like, sometimes you're in this car. Are you thinking, damn, I made the right decision?

But then there's this other car and I got to be honest with you. He does everything. that this car wants to do, but just a little bit better. And not only that, but it's a car that you already owned. I'm already watching House of the Dragon. I don't really need you guys to compare the House of the Dragon.

I will say, this is probably, there were two parts of this that were like very funny. Then this is very like spoiler. I was also high when I was watching this, so this might inform. But there's a light skin elf.

See? This is the type of shit that you should be saying. Hold on. Okay. Tell me about the light skin elf. This is the type of shit that will make me watch the show. There's a light skin elf. And I was just like, all right, we're going to see if my man could cook.

And I'm not going to lie. The Drake motherfucker got me. He's my favorite character. He's risking it all. Like, he's literally risking. He's betraying his elf homies for this woman. I'm like, damn, bro. What?

Wait, hold on. with a child. So also, like, he's going to have to be, he's going to have to be, like, not the stepdad, but the dad that steps up. Step up. Is there race in, is there race in elfdom, though? I think we're putting race onto them.

I don't think they have racist. I think you just elf. There can be black or darker skin elves. I know, but I don't think that they look at them as being any different. Yeah. See what I'm saying? So I don't think that there's race.

It's just where else. Species, it's like, it's like elves, orcs, you know, humans, dwarves. Like, they're not really looking like, that's a black dwarf versus a white dwarf, you know. But here's the thing. Once that shit hit the screen, I was just like, oh, man, Drake Elf is cooking. Like, he's my dude. And then, like, Galadriel, I ain't going to hold you up. I don't know what the fuck all these misogynists are saying.

She gets busy, bro. Like, when she's fighting and shit, it gets. gets lit. Like, come on. Is somebody going to tell me what the show is about? I can. I can do my best. So, I mean, if you said spoiler-free, I don't know how, you know, spoiler-free that you can get. The premise you can tell me. Okay.

So, yeah. You know, Galadriel lost her brother to Saran centuries ago. And she still wants her get back. Century. A centuries after. She's like, he's out there. I want my smoke. Right. And so, you know, part of part of the show was following her, you know, as she attempts to do that. And the other part, I think is interesting to me. You just, you talked about, you know, the Drake Elf is, you know, Caleb Bimbor. He's got to make his forage. For what? Who knows? Interesting. Let's keep that in the back of our heads. This is basically the story of like how the rings that we get in like the Lord of the Rings, Twin Towers, Return of the Kings, how that, um,

how those were created. I do think that there are certain... The power, the power rings, is how they all got made. Yeah, but here's the thing. I, like you, was skeptical. I don't know if I'm sold on the show yet. I think it's solid,

but there are certain scenes. There are certain fight scenes. There are, like, where I'm like, okay, it has potential. It has potential. Like, if we're, like, I just need more of a sample size. I'm gonna be real.

I just need more of a sample size. By, for me, I'm tapped in because I enjoy a good revenge story, and that's all Gladriel is about, even though, like, her op hasn't been seen in literal centuries. So, like, imagine, like, you're trying to fight somebody,

like, I got to get my lick back. I got to run my ones. Bro, we haven't seen that good in hundreds of years. He might not even be real. And she's like, also, to be clear, I want to be really clear. All the races got to chew. I was, like, the way motherfuckers was talking,

they was acting like, everybody black in here. this is going to be a Tyler Perry movie. There's like three or four black people. Like there are like hundreds of people in this show. I'm like, y'all really got mad for like the four black people out of like 200? What is going on? Do you know how racist you have to be to see a black person pop up in a Lord of the Rings show and actually get mad?

Do you know the level? I was thinking about this. You know, it's racism back in the day. and you get taught it as a kid and you're going to the general store, you're looking over there, you're like, look at the niggers. I hate them.

But you see them, you see them every day and they're real people, you know what I mean? But if you're just watching something on TV, like you're not fighting for resources, and you're just watching something make-believe, and you see a black person, and you get pissed off, you're sick.

Look, a lot of this stuff, I think, is trolling, but a lot of it is very, very sincere. and there are some sick people out in this fucking world. Moses Ingram, sick. Like everything that happened around her? Sick. Sick, sick, sick. I want justice for Jar J.J.R. Binks.

I'm starting to think now that people, there wasn't actually Jar Jax Binks that people didn't like. They didn't like the fact that Jar Jax was obviously black. All right. Well, Jar JAR sucks. Like, come on, man. I don't know. I don't know.

Steve, can't play you think he. Come on. The question is, the question is, why do you think he sucked? Did you really think that he sucked? Or did you think that he sucked because he walked with a little bop in his lip? Because he's a racist character. You know what I'm saying? Why did you think that he sucked because he had a little rhythm?

Look at the end of the Phantom Menace. Oh, my God. Watch when the Gungans are marching in the parade and the Gungans are hitting that fucking shoulder shit. You know what I'm saying? And now I know why y'all didn't like Jor Jor Jail. I'm telling you, bro, because I can't trust Come on, man. I'm gonna be honest with you. I can't trust fandom's reaction

to any black character or any female character because it's not real. I went back and watched Captain Marvel again. Guess what? They hated so much, I'm starting to like it more. I'm telling you. It's good.

We are taking it way too far. I went back and watched Captain Marvel again. I'm like, yo, man, it's not, am I in sale? This shit is really not that bad. This shit is actually, this shit is oak. What's better? What's better?

What's better? What's better? What's better? What's better? I'm going to go with Captain Marvel. All right. Go on, bro. No, no, no, no, no, man.

Oh, I'm going to go. No, we ain't like you slide on that one. I'm going to go with Captain. I'm going to go with Captain Marvel, man. You're not letting you slide on that one, my man. Everybody, everybody get mad at me. Get mad at me. Just get mad at me.

Just get mad about everything. you want to know what's funny. Like, before we go to House of Dragon, you want to know what's funny, every single time people get mad when black people pop up on, like, Game of Thrones or, like, Lord of the Rings. It reminds me when, like, Tony sees the Uncle Ben's Rice,

and he just, he just vanes. Like, I'm just like, how do you be that bad? When a black person just pops out of nowhere. And it's so funny, it's not like they even doing typically black things. Because if it was my show, I would fuck with people. If it was,

Shout out to my man Bruce, who used to work over at Amazon. He's at Apple now. He's one of the people responsible for bringing the rings of power to Amazon. See if it were my show

and I were running the show, I would have all of the black elves only drink dark wine. You know, everybody else would be drinking, but everybody else I would make a little elf Hennessy. I wouldn't do it all, like I wouldn't do it over the top. I just do little shit.

you know what I'm saying? Oh, I'd have an elf barbershop where they get in there, everybody's getting like shaped up. When they get fucking cleaned up, you know, you must go and talk. They talk and talk about the dwarves.

Talking shit about people. I would have, like you would go to that black elf little village if there are more than one black elf and they would be racing each other, track and field. You just notice like the elf garb has a little more jewelry on it,

you know what I'm saying? A little bit more drip. It's a little bit more shine. Or they would have Mohawks. I see, I would do little shit. Not even, because I would fuck with you. I would do little shit. Would you have like a little Jacob the jeweler where you got the ring?

Yeah, a little bit. Like the elf goes, I would like this ring, but I would also like to bust it down. I like to bust down this pique real quick. Yeah. You step on an elf shoes. He's like, hey, man, I just got these, bro. I just got these, bro. Whatever, he just draws his bow as soon as you step up.

You know what I'm saying? This is why I know. A elf council where we have to address bow violence. Oh, man. All right. Watch rings of the power, man. Let's get to house of the dragon over. I bet for sure going to lock it on rings of power now.

I've never, like, I did laugh multiple times. It is like a good time if you are intoxicated. So watch rings of power. I will not watch rings of power. This is what I'm going to do. In order for me to watch rings of power, I'm going to need the midnight mob and the midnight riders because the midnight boys fail.

Let's be honest. We didn't do a great job. Midnight boys failed. I would like the midnight mob and the midnight riders to convince me a while I have to watch Rings of Power. If not, we're going to have to go get Joe. Because I know she could do it. You know what I mean?

We need to bring Joe in this. Joe me, this was not our best day. Listen, listen, we gave the best shot. He fought hard. You know, but the end of the day, it's tough. It's hard. Van, he's found a love, you know? He's found that car, you know?

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We're getting ready to talk about House of the Dragon. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. The most important part of today's podcast. We have to litigate it. Crabfeeder went out like a hoe. I'm so upset. Crabt for today.

You did. Like it We gotta talk about episode three. I have so many questions. Crapping it is. So let's move on the House of the Dragon. First two episodes. How did everybody feel about episode three?

I rocked with episode three. I think it started off a little like, all right. We're doing this politic and thing. Like even Miss Sarah's mentions that like, bro, I'm here to, you know, celebrate my son's name day. Here I am politic. And we did that for like 40 minutes.

But then the last 20 minutes. The man in charge. Big man on campus. Damon put in that work. You can't put, no, he did not. No, he did that. Excuse me? No, he did not.

What you can't watch two different episodes? Yeah, what are you talking about? We're not lying like that, but. What do you mean we're not? Oh my God. Well, I'm talking about. Damon Targary didn't put in work this episode. What are you talking about?

He ran through the whole fucking stepstones by himself. He must have got a different episode than we did. Only got hit with two arrows, which is fucking impossible. It's a quarter flip if I wanted to. And, and we are quarter flipping that entire. entire sequence that we are quarter flipping that entire makes no damn sense. Damon, we know that

Damon and the Snee Snake have been at war for years at this point. The Sneeze Snake, can you please play this man some fucking respect and pronounce his name right? C Snake? The Sneeze snake is somebody that has seasonal allergies. God damn. A nigga can't even, like a nigga can't even his name pronounced right? He's not the Sneeze.

snake. The seat? All right, man. But here's the thing. Here's my issue with David. Right? He's been at war for years.

He's been losing badly. He's been losing so much that his brother got to bail him out. Now, you're telling me, after three, four years of this goddamn war, however long it's been, you're going to commit a war crime where you are going to take a white flag and be like, I surrender. And then just be like, psych. And sucker punch someone? Like, no, you don't get points for that shit.

Like, that's not a real strategy. You don't get points for that shit. Charles, I'm on my answer to you. That's nuts. That's really nuts. That's really, that's what I'm... I'll put it to you in the way. It's frankly, it's embarrassing.

Litigate this, man. Like, let's take this to the real world. Let's say you, you're about to fight your boy. And he's like, all right, I'm mad, I'm mad. You about to fight. You about to fight. All right, like, yo, let's square up. Let's squabble.

And he tells you, hey, man, actually, I don't really want smoke, man, like you too big, like me different weight classes. I'm sorry, my man. Sure. He turns around and then he sucker punches you out of anywhere. Do you give him points if he knocks you out? No, you don't. He don't get points for that. Okay, so I'm gonna be honest with you.

That's a fairly compelling analogy. Okay. However, I don't think these things are quite analogous. No. But he puts up the white flag, which is like... He does?

Yeah, the universal symbol for surrender. Yes. We're surrendering, which is like, my problem with that is like, all right, cool. I can't really call it a strategy if you bring out the white flag. And then you're like, actually, psych, I'm about to 1V1 you, which also I have problems with. Like, that's my issue. Like, you don't get points for that. That's not like a real, that's not a real deal strategy to me.

That's a war crime. Come on, man. That happens in, wait, that happens in every movie, though. Die hard, man. He's like, uh-oh. welcome to the party pal and then he pulls the gun out of his back with the tape on it like that's different that's not the same

that's different that's much much different this is one guy pretend to surrender all the time they do it's about you the white flag you come on but wait a second though let me tell you the only thing that I feel like you're missing

they were ready for him they didn't believe him so I'll tell you how because they had their archers ready. Remember? He comes out, he waves the white flag, and the guy goes, by the way, I didn't know

these terms that took Game of Thrones. Knock, loose. All of that stuff. I was like, knock. Oh, shit. They're getting ready. I remember that because Ramsey Bolton was saying that. Knock, loose. Ramsey Bowden, you piece of human fucking filth. You got this. You piece of shit.

But yeah, remember they had the archers up on the thing. on the side so they didn't quite believe him that it was going down i think they actually came out of the caves on some what this motherfucker talking about now type shit you know what i'm saying like what like what is this you know what i'm saying i think that's kind of why i don't know if they actually believed that there was a surrender happening do you see my point charles fair but i do think everybody walking away like oh damon got busy like oh my man he put up numbers i'm like ah we got to look at the tape. It might be a bubble chip, if we're going to be real. It might be a bubble chip. We have to see. I mean, we have to see. There's more episodes coming. Also,

Grab Peter had my man on the ropes and they had multiple drag. Like, he got a dragon, bro. Like what? Really? And my last thing, quarter flipping. I think Game of Thrones, the thing, especially in the early seasons, that was beautiful about Game of Thrones was that they tried to be as realistic as possible. They tried to be, it was very much like, hey, this is how you win a war. Sometimes wars are one with money. Sometimes they're one behind closed doors. You see like Rob Stark fucking up because he didn't marry the person that he's supposed to. I've got to be real.

You're supposed to tell me this man, dashed thousands of arrows. Just, like, you're telling me, like, dash thousands of arrows. That was a little flippy. He did. He did get hit twice. He did get it twice. That was a little flippity. He was looking like Captain America.

And I'm like, bro. like what is happening here? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he was looking like Captain America running. I'm like, bro, I've never seen this Targary and act like this ever. I really love, like, I got boundaries guys. Like, I'm going to like open up a little bit. I love coming on this podcast every week and talking to you guys about these things and, you know, being open and honest.

Because this is what we're complaining about in a world with dragons and witches and magic. Like, he got hit with heroes. That's crazy. But, see, but, but, Jomi, let me tell you something. I think that's an actually, I think people say that, but sometimes when they say it, I don't think they're looking at the full picture. Let me tell you why, Jomey.

We're giving you, we're giving you the dragons so that you give us the arrows. See? Like, we're giving you the dragons. We're saying we give you the dragons. But in the other smaller shit, we want that shit to make sense, you know? But the arrows is not a big gripe.

It's like, it's just something that I know. noticed. I actually thought that the end of this episode, the fighting on the steps stones was fantastic, but I found it to be the least compelling part of the episode. I thought the compelling parts of this episode

were watching. Number one, seeing the Lannisters being a small house that that's trying to improve its standing, it's just so fucking funny to me. Just seeing the

Lannisters because after they got to portray this guy that they have playing Thailand and Jason Lannister, they have this Lannisterous shit to them. And it's, they're not quite golden lions yet, but you can see, you can see, you can see the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the fucking bull shit

going through their head, the machinations that they know they have. have to take this step and seeing them inject themselves into this royal conundrum that's going on over obviously before we get to dance in the dragons of who is going to be the heir to the iron throne and what it means for a woman to be the air and what it means for a new son to have been born and then the actual prospect of her marrying her half brother who's two years old I put that up there with the creepiest shit

that has been said or proposed in a show that is known for creepy shit that's fucking creepy I gotta keep it a buck and a half Vassaris was looking at Otto like man bro are you serious?

Come on man that's the best you come to me with like really? That's your winning strategy I'm like man it's fine It was foul. There are times when Vassar seems more like he should be the patriarch of a 30-minute sitcom

than the actual king of the Iron Throes. He is so annoyed. He really don't want, like he doesn't give a fuck about any of this, bro. He's so annoyed about anything. He's trying to hunt, right? He just wants to go on a hunt and fucking see a white stag and kill the white stag.

And everybody's like, who's your daughter going to marry? He's like, yo. I have one fucking day without y'all get in my ear with this bullshit like I just can bring me some more wine I feel so sad for Versaeris Misseris I gotta be real

my man keeps committing on Forrest Why are you gonna look your daughter in the eye and be like yeah my bad I was slipping I'm gonna never do that to you again you gonna be the queen I'm like

Bceris you know you lying bro like you know you lying like what did you like come on man I don't think so I don't know the exact history. Obviously, like I watched Skibbaths, I don't know. Yeah, like, I've seen, you know, the family tree. Like, you know, I have some idea.

But I don't think, like, it's kind of his fault, but like not actively, right? I think later down the line, his lack of, like, firm decision making or making the wrong decision leads into the problems, like, Dance of the Dragon and whatnot. not. His, I mean, like, it's like calling him, you know, calling him, you know, Westero's, Mark Jackson would be like a disservice to Mark Jackson. Like, that man is just the worst leader of all. You know what the real thing is? I see a through line between him and Ned Stark in the way.

And the through line is that, so the, not in quite the exact same way, the through line is that I'm looking at two guys who don't seem quite ruthless enough for their stations in life. You know, what I saw, this guy is struggling with what he feels like is the right way to keep his family together.

And the fact that that might not be the right thing to keep his kingdom together, it's fucking with him. It's bothering him. It's putting roadblocks up like in front of him. And I think like watching that is interesting because the characters that achieve

the most of the fastest in Game of Thrones, have always been the ones that just don't give a fuck. If you think of the original series, everybody who makes the emotional decision dies. People who don't make the decision that is the ruthless logical one are the, like, think of Rob Stark. He gets got because he makes the emotional decision.

Even Danny, she gets got because she makes the emotional decision. The people who survive in last are like your arias, who are literally like, I'm going to make the logical, ruthless decision. and Vassaris can't do it. Every single episode, we see him make a decision

where I'm like, dude, you should have married journeys. It's disgusting, but logically for your kingdom, that's probably what you should have done. You probably shouldn't have named Reneira to the crown. Even though, like, this is an emotional decision. Even though Reneer is fit to lead,

that's not what, like, the kingdom is going to allow to happen. So you know my man is, his days are numbered, bro. Well, Reneer called him out on that, too. He was like, you'd say about, like, oh, doing your duty.

you know, marrying for the right reasons. Well, you were, you should have married the Valerian girl, right? But no, you chose Allison. That's all you. You know, like everybody in every turn is like, bro, you're a, you're a dummy. It's tough. It's tough. Taiwan would have ran circles around that, man.

It would have been incredible. Yeah, it'd be, he'd be back. Would have cooked him. Yeah, but see, this also kind of shows what life is like when you got a couple of dragons, right? because at the end of the day is like, I'm not like the man,

but chakaris. I burn, y'all. I burn Cassily Rock to the ground. You're only going to talk so much shit. And this is why Game of Thrones is such an interesting commentary on power. Because it doesn't just talk about power

in a vacuum. It talks about the relevance of power as it relates to why you have that power. The Lannisters have that power because they were rich. The Vale had some power because of their army. The Stark's had power because of their geography and their position as being the Lee family in the north. And when all of those different kind of factions meet together, you figure out whose power is the best power. And not just that, but which power is the most enduring, right?

There's money, loyalty, basically shrewdness or whatever, which one of those takes you the furthest. And right now, I'm watching a king that does not seem like the king at all.

He seems like the least sure person. He seems like a good guy, but not a good king. Because he's not firm on any decisions. And I feel sorry for him. And I feel sorry for him. I don't know if there was, if there was ever

Monarch in Game of Thrones that I've ever pitied. Like I pity for him. You don't feel sorry for him. Okay. After that first episode, here's my thing. He's a weak man. Where it's just like he let his wife die. Like, he let his wife die because he was weak.

And I'm like, my man, I can't, like, come on, man. What are we going to do? And I looked at that as more of a personal failing that probably haunts him than I did. I looked at a guy even in that situation. that's caught between a rock and a hard place. Somebody's having a very difficult pregnancy. He loved his wife, right? But his duty to whatever and the dreams that are pulling at him,

he just doesn't seem to have very much control. And in this episode, he was almost completely impotent. Even the killing of the stag, he kills the stag. But he bungled it. Now you've got to hear him again. And then the stag is not actually the stag that they were, looking for. That stag presented himself to the daughter, to me, signaling

that maybe it is supposed to be her. I mean, I think it is supposed to be her. It's just the rum doesn't want her, but I got to, if I'm going to pick some nits, I am running into an issue in episode three where I feel like and maybe it's just I have to change my thinking where the characters and Gamma Thrones were so well-rounded because they're coming from books. They have such an interiority. Things take so long in that series. When you're going on a trail, like, you see how long it's going to take, like, Aria to go somewhere,

to learn these things. With, like, a character like the crab feeder, I was just like, really? Like, what? Why? Why do I care? Like, the battle looks cool, but because they are skipping in time so fast, I feel like it's hard for me to care about a lot of the characters because we're not really spending that much time with them in a way where Game of Thrones, where you are literally seeing John start from being the bastard to the guy that you can one day see becoming some type of leader, whether he is effective at it or not.

Where it's like with this, they jump so fast, where I'm like, all right, you can tell me that Damon has been fighting the crab feeder for so long, but I don't know what the crab feeder wants, I don't know, like, really what, like, emotionally what's driving him. He is just a blank slate of a villain where every villain in Game of Thrones, you knew the interiority of why they're fucked up and why they want what they want. And I don't know if House of Dragon has landed that yet.

It's a fucking ridiculous criticism. Are you all that dope? It's a, it's, you're comparing an entire series to three episodes of television. an entire series. I'm not saying that it's going to be like this forever. I was just saying that like, hey, if you introduce this character, and by the third episode, he's gone,

I'm just like, oh, okay, yeah, sure. Could we have gotten a little bit more backstory? I think the crab feeder was a means for that. I don't think the crab feeder was, like, supposed to be a stalwart. Can I go back? Can I kick Charles in the nuts again real quick? I got, I'll put my stiltoe boots on real quick.

Charles, what you just said, bro, I didn't know what the fuck John Snow was going to be three episodes into Game of Thrones. No, but what I'm saying is the show was glacial in that way. So when something happened, when he wins a battle, like when he wins a battle,

you feel it more because there... He didn't win any battles to like four seasons after the fucking shit. It took a long time to get there. So what I'm saying is... But that's what I'm saying is... We knew, at least we knew. at least we knew that journey where

because this show is skipping forward in time and I get why they have to do it, there does become a point where I'm like, why do I give a fuck about this, the stepstones, why do I give a fuck about this battle? It looks cool, but I don't actually feel the, like I get that Damon is suicidal.

I get that he does not want his brother to help him. I understand that. But I don't actually understand the desperation because I didn't actually see any of the war. It's just kind of yada, yada, yada. All right now he's waving the white flag doing the suicide mission. Interesting.

That's at least what I think it's going to be a problem. Let me tell you something about the crab feeder. He was scary looking. He had Grayscale, it looks like. Bruh, I'll be honest with you, bro. They got to figure out grayscale, man. I know this is probably to be.

They do figure out grayscale, but much later. I'll be honest with you. I don't know if that's, I don't even know if that is a recreateable treatment for grayscale so about what because by the way even watching him have gray scale

week to week to week to week was so sad I'm like this nigga about to he's gray scaling it out but that's what I'm saying like it was torture it was like you were watching that

shit god damn this nigga guy you ever like you ever see like the zombie movies where you know it happens in every zombie movie where they're going out fighting and he's like

Yeah, yeah. That was the good one. And then somebody, the guy looks down to his arms, it's like, fuck. And then somebody asks him, what's wrong? Nothing? And then he covers up the wound. They do that in every zombie movie, by the way. Like, that's crazy.

You know you got bit. Cut your arm off or fucking run out there and kill as many zombies as you can before you're out of here. I guess I can see what you're saying, Charles, but I still vehemently disagree. This isn't me saying that the show is bad now. It's just saying that, like, it's different from what I was, It's different from how I was taught to watch Game of Thrones. So this is what I think that you should do. I think that you should invest as much faith into House of the Dragon

as you've invested into the hierarchy of power in the universe changing. Because in terms of shaking his head, he's like, no, I can't do it. The hierarchy is about to change. Here's the thing. I would never betray the rock like that. I would never God Don't stop the gap

Y'all thought I was lying Here's the thing I was serious when I tweeted this out I had a dream Where the rock came to me I was in a limousine And like I'm so nervous I'm tripping over my like

My words and I'm like You're the rock He's like Charles Thank you for being like a faithful soldier In the Black Adam army And I'm like dude of course Of course It's getting a little weird

All right Jomi Ask your question And after that I want to ask Charleston I was I was wondering like would you like would rather have like the first three episodes sped over like two or three seasons of TV like is that what you're you're thinking about because we would be here forever if that was no it's not that it's not that I want it to be seasons of seasons I just do think that like I do want a couple more beats where I would have liked to see a little bit of the war with the crap

feeder just to kind of understand or interiority of like what are they actually fighting over like why is this important to damon why is it important to any of these characters you just don't get that because the time skips are so i'm not saying a whole even a whole episode maybe like just a few more beats that's all because i think that we are about to get new actors for all of these characters and i've invested in young reneer already so i'm already kind of feeling a little bit of like a Oh, man. I am too. That's true.

I'm already rooting for her to such a degree that having her, having a new actress play her is going to be tough. I agree with that. And I think the new actresses will be fine. I think they're going to be phenomenal. But there is a part of me that does kind of wish, like, man, it would have been cool if we could have watched Renera grow into a young adult instead of it being like, all right, now we have somebody else casts her. And that's, I'll get over it. But that actually speaks to the power of the show that like three episodes in, I'm like, damn, I really want to see if Reneer can do it.

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Obviously, Maphisian surely. We're also very excited for Andor. We're doing a rewatch of Rogue One? I did. I've done a rewatch. I've done a rewatch. I'm wondering what all I should rewatched for Andor. Obviously, a rewatched Rogue One once,

week until the movie comes until the show comes out but i'm doing a other a lot of other star wars related research and dipping back into some of my reading like i read uh i listened to the audible the audio book tarkin all about grandoff tarcan grandma of tarcan i could i could i could make an i could make an argument right now that gram off tarcan single-handedly um sabotage the empire wait do you want to do you want to litigate this now or do you want to bring this up on the rogue one Bring this up on the Real One podcast. Because I can make an argument that the way that if the empire would have actually done things the way that Grand Admiral Thrawn wanted to do them, that they would have crushed the rebels. But that Tarkin, because of his upbringing and because of his background, wanted to do things a very specific way.

And that actually, in the long run, stretched the empire's resources and sank them. I'm interested to hear that. I want to hear that, but you guys got to help me because I'm excited for Andor. We're going to rewatch Rogue One. I hit a wall with Clone Wars. I'm not going to hold you up. Where? I just got past.

Spoiler alert, if you haven't seen Clone Wars. I just got past Asoka being kicked out of the order. Ah. But now we got like a fucking Mace Windo and Jar Jar Jar episode on like this is rough. That's the fucking best part of the shit. The Mace Windu Jar Jar Jar episode? No, no, no, no. I'm talking about after, like, after she gets kicked out of the order, like, that whole, that's, the show is fucking cooking from here on out. Am I wrong about that? There, I, I, at least I was watching when I saw Jar Jar Jar on screen, like, I'm not here. I'm not going to watch.

So two black men get their own episode and you don't want to watch the shit. It was just Mays. I'd be in. No, I'm saying two black men, Jar Jar and fucking Mays Wind do. Yeah, and one's a racist character. Like, yeah, whatever. Two questions. One for Charles. You're watching. in chronological order, right? You got like Star Wars page open. Yeah, I'm watching it in chronological order. Okay, for sure. I just got to make sure. Because, you know, the first couple of seasons for me, I was like, hey, yeah, what is this thing? Like, what are we doing? But you figure it out, you get it in a line. It's just, it's, I've had so many highs because I'm off the, like, Asoka High and I'm off the high of, like,

when Satine dies. And I'm like, I'm just not ready to do another filler art. I got to be honest with you, like, you're the, the, the, you're, you let comparison. and rob you of everything amazing. What are you talking about? They can't do fucking 22 episodes a season where Satin is killed. I was on a high and it's just, it's going to take some adjusting for me to get back

to an art. That's not dead. And what I'll take any adjusting. It's a 30 minute show. There'll be more episodes on the backside of it. There's some really great stuff right around the corner. You've never watched before. Here's what I'm trying to, here's what I can't understand.

I'm looking at it right now, right? That means you just finished season five. Of Clone Wars, yes? Yes. Which means the next arc is the five's arc? Yes. Which, oh yeah, no, you're tripping, bro. Tap it.

That's insane. That's insane. It's the five. I'll get back. I'll get back on it. And my second question, I think, you know, I probably end on something like this. What is your, like, big brain prediction for D23? Big brain question.

Like, what's like the, like, the most. nuts thing you think that could possibly happen at D23 this weekend. Well, that's a good question. Like, what could Marvel announce? Who could they cast and what were, like, you know, even Lucasfilm, too? We're getting Fantastic Four cast. That's how I feel like that's happening. You think we're going to get the entire cast of Fantastic Four?

I think we're going to get the cast. I think the biggest thing that they can do, the cast is going to be cool. If they reveal who Dr. Doom is, I think that will take over. There's not a lot of news that can, like, rival that because, like, that is essentially good, to me, going to be their Thanos. Who do you think who would play, Dr. Do? I have no fucking clue who they're looking at. Because of all the, of all the, even all of all the rumors that I've unceremoniously

allowed myself to, to ingest, I haven't seen Doom rumored at all. Have you guys seen the rumor? I haven't seen any. That's why I'm saying, I don't, I don't know if I should expect Doom. I think we're going to get the four Fantastic Four members. If Doom comes out, I think that shit's going to be wise. We're definitely getting thunderbolts. We're getting the lineup.

I saw some leaks on that. Not going to say who's in it. We're going to get that. Y'all think we're getting any mutants. Any mutants news? Yeah. Yeah. Think so?

In fact, and this is my like, we just can't stop hurting. We can't stop hurting ourselves. That's what I'm saying, man. We're doing it again. We just can't stop hurting ourselves. Listen, I'm my feel, I do not have the same feelings that you guys have.

Like, you know, I'm not too attached. But I don't know if every of guys were online last week. or I think, yeah, last week, where they were talking about having one of the leaks said, Denzel and John Carlo Esposito. Of course we've seen that. And I was like, I seriously doubt that's true. I don't think that's true.

I don't think. And by the way, if that's true, that tells me, if that's true, that tells me exactly what's going to happen with them introducing this. And what is it? What do you think? I want to hear what you think. So this is what, this is what it tells me.

if if they were to announce that John Carlo Esposito and Denzel Washington were playing Magneto and Professor X. Yes. If they were telling me, if they were to, if that happens,

let me tell you what I think that means. Those characters will not be Magneto and Professor X going forward. Those guys are great. Those guys are too old to play the characters right now. Right. they're too old to play the characters for a long time. That tells me what's going to happen.

That tells me that if those guys play the roles, they will introduce a world, maybe a multiversal world, maybe the world of the MCU and 616, where those characters are those worlds. We get to Secret Wars. Secret Wars then condenses the Marvel universe into one

all of different multiverse into one universe is it corrects the multiverse just like it did in Hickman's run and then you actually get

to other people who are going to who are going to be Professor X and Magneto and Magneto and I do not rule out

as Professor X is wild I don't I don't it would be John Colour Esbezito it would be oh wait it would be

Denzel as Magneto And I do not rule out James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender still coming back to play those roles in the long run after Secret Wars. I don't rule that out. Fastbender was always the best part of those films. I could always use more Fassbender.

But just I imagine like just seeing like the ticker pop up and it's like Denzel is Magneto and Jekyllis was his professor X, I'd have to log off the internet completely. for the whole weekend. It would be nuts. But what I'm trying to understand is, do you think Denzel would do an MCU movie

at this point in his career? Yeah. You think so? They all do. They all do. Yeah. At this point, you know? I don't know.

Like, Denzel, like, I mean, I would like to see those two go at it. It's just like Denzel always seemed like one of the, like, he's like Brad Pitt in my mind. Where it's like, would Brad Pitt, like, do an MCU movie? Probably not. These guys, these guys like to, play around, man. You never know with these guys. And then the checks are so goddamn big.

You know what I mean? Like, these guys like to play. I mean, I think that a lot of this, I think we're going to see the most chaotic year and a half to two years in the history of the MCU. Oh, that's your prediction. All kinds of crazy shit. And because the only way that King Dynasty and Secret Wars can the feeling that we got through 10 years, 12 years. I'm not necessarily comparing them to it, but I'm saying the only way that they can do it is just to have controlled chaos be what reigns and figure out somewhere in all of these characters,

in all of these new universes, and all of these new dimensions, to pull out one through line that can carry the MCU forward, right? And so I think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing right now, It means something, but it doesn't even mean as much as we think that it means. Wait, so can I ask you this? She-Hulk seems mixed in terms of just like it's causing a lot of storms in terms of like

its reaction. Do you think that Kevin Feige has his like finger on a button and is like, all right, this is the plan to kind of like get it on track in terms of like the MCU being, I don't want to say unimpeachable again, but definitely in a world where it's not like after every single show, after every single movie, we're like, does it still have it? Like, is that what D23 is supposed to be, essentially? Him saying like, hey, guys, like, relax, cool. You got this.

I think so. I would imagine that this is, you know, Kevin Flyy, Kevin Fy game where we're going to flex their muscle a little bit. You know, they had to cancel D.C. fandom, remember? Yep. I don't know if we talked about this, but they had to get it, get out of here. But here's the thing, that's because

when hierarchy of power is changing, sometimes things got to get left to the side. That's awesome. Anyways. It's just, this is, this is Marvin, like, hey, yo, hey, we good. Mewens, Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, you know, like, all this.

Like announcing the whole phase five slate. Remember, Van, we were hanging out that Comic Con afternoon, right? all we did for like what the whole night was way like ah man but but if but of secret wars and kang and da-da-da-da-oh man this is you know what i mean this is marvel laying down laying down the law the law right really really quick before we go before we go i have to ask you guys something really quick so my prediction has been that the mutants will will be like set in the 90s hence why they keep playing the like X-Men theme whenever like Professor X pops out or Miss Marvel.

I think it's going to be heavily influenced by that 90s run. And I wouldn't be surprised if it is Denzel, if it is John Carlo, I don't think it is. Dark Harlow. Did you, Dark, what? Excuse me? Oh, I thought you said Dark Harlow. I heard Dark Harlow. My God.

My bad. Oh my God. Dark Harlow? You called this nigga Dark. Like he a dark Jack Harlow? That's nuts. Oh my. So are you telling me right now?

now that they're going to have Jack Harlow in Blackface play Professor X. Oh, my house. So Jack Harlow in the MCU, I will literally just be like, we're... Bro, they will cast Jack Harlow in the MCU tomorrow, bro. Bro, we... Did you not see She-Hulk last week? Are you nuts? Jack Harlow's going to be a secret of Asian, bro.

But they'll do... No, no, they won't do Jack Harlow. No, stop. Guys, guys, guys, come on. Guys. They won't do Jack Harlow as Jack Harlow. It'll be like, Jack Harlow is Wolverine. No, if Jack Oros, like, yeah, no, no, no, no.

How about you let us, how about you let us choose which characters we want to be black? Because we'll get black Wolverine. We'll get black gambit. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, but no. Psychops can't be black, right? He's an ob. He's got to be.

He's not. Actually, actually, actually, Charles is actually slightly right about how militant Cyclops became at the end. Here's the thing. If we want to be real, if anybody was a little, iffy on their politics. My man Wolverine sold out for that Avengers check. I should be my favorite. We got to go.

By the way, on the next podcast I promise to tell a story. I tell the story about the Labor Day party that Jomey and I attended. What's up? Jomey got the chance to meet Michelle Yo. And how

he freaked out. Okay, that's not true. He lost himself in front of yourself. That's not even act like you been. somewhere Jomey act like that's not even close to being true joami that's nuts you lying out yeah Jomey went Jomey went nuts oh my god Jomey went nuts to see it I'm just joking Hott Jomey summer is officially over hot Jomey summer is over but Hollywood Jomey is beginning

Jomey was schmoozing we went to the house of a very prominent Hollywood producer and Jomey was schmoozing Jomey knows how much a schmooze. I didn't think that Jomey would be a schmoozer as much as he was, but he's schmoozed. Met a lot of interesting people. Got a lot of, you know, made a lot of friends, you know, got some numbers, you know, got some contact info, you know what I mean? He was out there.

I thought I thought I would have to ease Jomew into the schmooze. No fucking way. We met some Eddie and Tanya from For All Mankind. Yeah, Eddie. Shout out to us. Now you just name dropping. Come on. Don't shout out to him.

Eddie, Eddie, who also played. Darwin and X-Men First Class. He played Darwin and X-Men First Class, my man Eddie. Oh, that's who you're talking about? Did y'all relitigate how we got? We did. Sure did. Of course, we talked to him.

Does he feel away? Yeah, he does. And by the way, there's a story behind what was supposed to happen to Darwin, which we will talk about on the next podcast. Shout out to Eddie. He's a great guy for all mankind. Shout to Tanya, too. Corsica, the movie.

We're going to make you, Tanya. Okay. That's the wrap. Thursday, Ben Lindberg returns to break down episode four of She-Hoh. He'll be joined by Jody Walker Friday, and House of Horror will be deep diving into third episode of Rings of Power. Saturday, Charles, Joe, and myself

will be giving you a special House of Midnight reacting to the Marvel and Lucasfilm panel at D-23. The Sunday Talk to Thrones is back again as Chris Ryan, Mal, and Joe give you their instant reactions to House of the Dragon right after the episode is done.

our producer is Steve, the architect almond. Jomi Adineron on socials, hashtag Joe Majesty. Nice one, Steve. Additional production by Arjuna, Rahm Gapal, Charles, take us out. Crab feeder went outside. Fandom is a curse. You best believe that the best movie of all time, a.k.a. Black Avenue is coming out.

October 24th century. I wish they would just pay you already. All right, I have a question for Charles now. Yo, let's do it. Name me your top five movies starring the rock. The Rock? The top five movies starring a rock. Fast five.

Okay, fast five. Easily. Well, actually, let me take that one. Black Adam is number one. Has it come out yet? That's a come out. You can't do that. Come on now.

Come on. Thank you, Steve. What are you doing? You can't do that, Charles. You can't do it. Wait, why not? Have you seen it? It hasn't released yet, Charles.

I spiritually seen it. Oh, my God. It's, like, you got to stop. Black Adam can't be on the list. And by the way, I see you Googling. I see you looking at your computer. I see you look like. You see your eyes.

I see your eyes. I really have to look. I'm like, damn. Name five movies that The Rock has been in. All right. That's so nuts. See what I'm saying. Fast five is number two.

Can't have blackout have been there. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Cannot. Fast failure six is probably number three. You're not taking this seriously at all. What are you talking? At all.

None of this is real. None of this is real. Oh, the Walt Disney, 2007 movie the game plan okay yeah oh wait no actually actually the mummy movies go before that oh the scorpion king scorpion king he was only in one

scene of the mummy of the mummy of the money of the money yeah but I'm putting those two in like the same bucket scorpion king like that's probably four and then I'll put the game plan and no point so okay so the game plan so the rock has actually been in some movies

that I actually enjoy there's a movie called the rundown with the Rock. Okay. That is very good. One of the movies that The Rock did with Kevin Hart is to me super underrated. Which one?

The one where was it Central Intelligence? Was that the name of the movie? Oh yeah, I can't. I watched that. I enjoyed that. Wait, let me take my respect. I thought that was actually good. Black Adam fast five Moana. Moana's, he's great. Moana don't count.

doesn't count you don't like Moana I like Moana but how does it it's animated anime movies don't count as movies that come on bro no let's

he literally plays the rock in the movie I'm telling you right now that we know fucking fool well that anime if you ask somebody right now what's your favorite

Eddie Murphy movie and they say it's Shrek you'd be like you wild it's not any that's true but but it can be on the list it's not number one but it's on the list.

Moana's number three. You tried to get me, but it's fine. It's fine. No, gridiron gang I liked. Caught me by surprise. The Jumange movies? Incredible. Not that bad.

Yeah, I can't do that. I was locked to see. Charles, I was like, how they go, Robin Williams. That's my jam. How dare they love. The original Jumangi. Come on, ma'am.

I went and watched them. I watched the first one. Just like, man, I'm not doing nothing. It's the panty. Let me tap in. Immediately was like, where's the second one at? I need it.

Let's get this thing. I was, it was, it slapped. It's slapped. You got to, you got to try. Let me, let me ask you guys, y'all really, y'all really not excited, excited for Black Adam? Of course we are. Not, we're not lying like you, Charles.

I'm not lying. Like, of course we are. All right, here's the thing. You want to know why you, I realize this is what changed for me. I see the victory lap Tom Cruise is on. Mone fuckers thought Tom Cruise was like, oh, Tom Cruise ain't on, well, wait, you guys. Whoa.

Yeah, Tom Cruise ain't on the victory lap. Tom is planning to be here for 15, 20 more. years, you're going to get Ethan Hunt when he's 73. I guarantee you. But here's the thing. There's no victory at all. In Hollywood everybody's like, why is, why does he believe in Top Gun Maverick so much? Like he really, like, he held onto that movie for a while. I'd be like, no, y'all going to watch this movie.

And I saw, like, just the joy. My man is on fucking planes and shit. I want that for the rock. The rock has been waiting to be Black Adam for years. To the point where I'm like, man, like, you never gave up on this dream. imagine if the Rock is right. Imagine if Black Adam is as successful as Top Gun Maver. It'll be the greatest A in Hollywood history. The Rock will never stop talking as shit.

I want to see. So I think that Black Adam will be very, very successful. I think that the movie will be good. But I'm not going to do this with you again, by the way. This is the last time. I'm not stopping. I'm not stopping. I know you're not.

I'm telling you right now. I don't like it. and I'm not talking about it again. You're going to bring up Black Adam. The next time you do it, I'm going to ignore you. The movies, because you know what you're going to do? You're going to ruin my experience for Black ads. Hell!

Because all it is, like, there's only so much cap you can do into the cap tip. It's not, okay. This is my issue. This is my issue with the Midnight Mob with y'all. So I was like, Charles, wopty-wop this. Stop being negative. Stop being a hater. Why can't you just love shit?

I've picked shit to love. And y'all, like, it's not the right shit to love, though. Like dog. Because it's not earnest. It is earnest, though. It is earnest at all. It is earnest. Feels like every product claims real protein these days.

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