The Ringer-Verse - 'Secret Invasion' Episode 2 Instant Reactions, and the Superman Casting News | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

You won't find any better-looking Skrulls than this! It's time for the Midnight Boys to give their reactions to the second episode of 'Secret Invasion' (05:11). They break down what might be happening in a potential plot to develop the Super Skrulls, as well as the web of lies Nick Fury finds himself in (27:27). Also, the boys give their thoughts on the latest casting news of Superman and Lois Lane in James Gunn's new Superman film (69:54). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Steve Ahlman, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Oman Van, he of the receding, resurgent hairline. Hit a PR in the gym today on the bench press. Ooh, what's you hit? Not telling you. Because you look like one of those boogie nights type guys. Well, if I say, oh, I bench 250, you'll be like, oh, I hit 255. I'm not telling you, Steve. You think I'm Philip Seymour Hoffman.

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All right, you got to follow us on Twitter. Insta, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomey's job. A lot TikTok talk out there right now. People love TikTok. Really growing. People love TikTok. People love the grimace shake. You know, it's a lot going on. We got to get you out here, Van.

Get you. You don't know about the grimace shake? man. Oh my gosh. We're not talking about the Grimmish shake on the midnight boys. Come on. Listen, listen. Come to the office. It's a delicious drink. Don't worry. Yeah, Van, don't worry. Don't worry. Just come to the office. Get you a grimace shake. We'll film some.

Don't think too hard about it. It's a, it's a drink. It's a McDonald's shake based off the purple the purple monster grimace. Okay. Shout out to that. It's a birthday. It's a birthday. Yeah. It tastes good. Yeah. It tastes good. Yes. Okay, so what's the goddamn thing with the Grimmish Shake?

What? Y'all making it seem like it's some kind of, y'all gatekeeping the goddamn shake. Why don't somebody just tell me about the shake so that I'm nervous? I just told you what the shake was. You told me, what is it? I don't like when y'all do this to me. It's a purple, it's a purple shake based off the purple McDonald's character who's friends with Ronald and the hamburger.

I know who Grimmis is. I was on Grimmis when you were itching your daddy's Johnson. It's in the name. Grimmish shake is in the name. So, no, I thought it could have been the Grimmish shake, like the Harlem shake. It could have been some kind of dance. I didn't know what it was. What's special about it?

It tastes special. It's good? Sure. I have a question for you guys. No, I know, no question. No, because, Joe, you're being cagey. Give me the goddamn question. Is Grimmis black?

Nigger, okay, we're not doing that. All right. We're not doing that, bro. We're already starting off on the wrong group. We're not doing that. No, we're not doing that, man. This Thursday, the House of Heart, will be giving you that deep dive

on the second episode of Secret Invasion. It's a shake. I don't know what to tell you, man. It's just a shake for McDonald's. Friday, Joanna, Mal, and myself will be giving you our instant reactions to Indiana Jones and a Dial of Destiny.

Charles, why aren't you on that podcast? Because I was just like, do you want to be on the Indiana Jones podcast? And I'm just like, I have no thoughts about Indiana Jones and the doubtless to me. I'll be real job. Like, I don't. Like, we're doing so. Here's the thing. My positivity streak is going so well on prestige TV with the bear.

I don't want to do double dip with secret invasion in Indiana. You didn't like it? You didn't like the movie? No, I didn't hate it. It was just fine. It was just like, okay, sure. This is an Indiana Jones movie. I dug it.

We'll talk about it on a Friday. Okay, on today's show, we're discussing episode two of secret invasion. The top spy espionage thriller with shape-shifting aliens is currently on Disney Plus. And we're going to talk about some huge news and fandom. You've got some nerd news. James Gunn has cast his Superman and Lois Lane. And it's a big deal. It was the talk of the internets yesterday.

We're going to give you guys some stuff on that, an extended segment on that. at the tail end of this episode. But before we get into any of that stuff, we have to let you guys know, we're spoiling shit. We're spoiling Secret Invasion, all of the MCU, the Eternals. Why is there a statue in the middle of the ocean? We're spoiling Captain Marvel.

For those of you who saw that, we're spoiling a lot of stuff. So, Steve, give me the spoiler warning now. We're getting ready to talk about secret invasion. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, before we get into the episode and talk about what we thought,

we have to put you guys in the need to know. And the only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest. And the only person to do that is Chuck Wapin. Chuck, take it away. All right, and this is your Midnight Manifest for Secret Invasion episode two. Promises, directed by Ali Salim, tell play by Brian Tucker, written by Brent Eklstein, and Brian Tucker. We begin by traveling back to 1997 where Fury meets a young Ravik who's escape to Earth just as his parents were killed.

Ravik sees Fury to promise the scrolls, he'll find them a new home as long as they help him protect Earth. In the present, Talus reveals that he lied to Fury and that he actually invited a million scrolls to Earth, which drives a wedge between the duo. After getting reprimanded by Maria Hill's mother for his role in her death, Fury tells Rody about the scroll invasion. But unfortunately, War Machine boots Nick Fury from his job now that the world thinks that he's partially responsible for starting World. of War III. Meanwhile, Gravick takes over the scroll council and becomes a general for the incoming war. While Gaia learns that the scrolls are experimenting on themselves to enhance their abilities. And finally, in the episode's big twist, Fury goes home to a scroll who seems to be his wife. And that has been your midnight manifest for Secret Invasion, Episode 2.

All right, episode 2, Secret Invasion. Charles, starting with you, instant reaction, your thoughts? art is hard to make. I think. Wow. Wow. I'm not. I'm trying to be good.

Everybody's like, here's how I'm like, I'm trying to be. I'd really hate to be on the Indiana Jones podcast with that. This fucking guy is something, bro. Oh, my goodness. I'm trying to be positive, bro. I'm in a good mood.

All right? The Bears like revived my soul and my spirit. I am trying, y'all. but yeah man it's it's like episode two is an improvement over episode one i will say that but there are moments where i'm like what are we doing here um and i think the bones of the show there are there are good ideas in this show there are interesting ideas there's there's interesting dialogue there's interesting characters but i think that there's fundamentally so much about this show that doesn't work,

that makes it hard for me to kind of like grab on to the things that do. So let's do something, right? Let's do something real quick. What we're going to do right now is in this section, we're going to keep it to episode two. But then at the end of this, Charles, I want to sort of recalibrate

what we think the show has to do to be a success and why it's an A, B, C, or D right now for the first two episodes. Because I think having that conversation and flushing out what we would need from this television show for it to be successful, is going to be nutritious for us as guys who are talking about it

and probably for the people that are listening to the podcast. Okay? I assume that you were about to ask me what I thought. Yeah, because I'm assuming that this episode wasn't like a runaway gangbusters success for you. No. I mean, it wasn't a runaway gangbusters success, which, but it wasn't a runaway gangbusters failure either,

which is why I think we need to talk about what we're expecting from Secret Invasion and what Secret Invasion is trying to do and what it should be doing. I'll tell you what I liked about this episode is that I see what they're going for. Sometimes in other shows that have kind of lost their way

in terms of like MCU shows on Disney Plus, it was hard for me to see what they're going for. I enjoyed at times what was on the screen with Moon Night, but I didn't know what they were going for. Right? I didn't know what the show kind of was. It was really not about Moon Night at all.

It wasn't about the character of Moon Night in any way. I couldn't, they didn't quite execute clearly and concisely enough, not concisely, clearly, and directly enough for me to understand what they were trying to do. So I get what they're trying to do in this show. I see what they are doing. What they're doing is giving us an old school, 80s, 90s, Cold War era. taught spy thriller with the scrolls in it. And I think there was an expansion on what we understand about the scrolls.

I think we learned a lot more in this episode about the stakes of this, being that, you know, we're talking about World War III here. It's a multinational situation. International incidents are happening. There are a million scrolls. I think I see that. I think what I saw in this episode that concerns me were a couple of times where it didn't seem like the show had the energy and sometimes the performances, if I'm being quite honest with you, to do what they have to do. and what I mean by that is if you've watched spy movies that are like,

you know, they have this kinetic energy, this pushpool, this high stakes, inner character conflict, where it seems like you're in a scene with someone and there's this battle of wits that's brewing under the surface and if you say the wrong thing, you could jeopardize the entire deal. if we're going to get to that in secret invasion,

we haven't even started to build that momentum. And I don't know if Marvel is capable of that. I think the best job I've ever did with it was Winter Soldier. Did it pretty damn good job? But this is nowhere near that. I mean, there are scenes here that just like just didn't work. Like the scene with Nick Fury and Maria Hill's mother just did not work. It just didn't work.

Yeah. And it just like, it was, that's supposed to be a scene that's, like, oh my God, Maria Hill is dead and this is her mom. It was poorly acted. I watched it a couple of times. I'm serious. Like, I watch it a couple of times.

I'm like, it's not, like, I don't, it, it wasn't working, which, you know, whatever. But, you know, to having said all of that, this show isn't whack. It's, it's cool. It's, this was better than the first one. And if, and if episode three improves as much as episode two did,

they might have a home stretch that we can write home about. You know what I mean? But I don't know. It's kind of just there. I'm looking at it. It's, it's, it's kind of a thing. But that's, it was cool. Isn't that what makes it hard?

It's not bad enough to hate, but it's not good enough to love. So there's this kind of middle feeling where you're like, Okay, to your point, I see what they're going for. I see what the dish is supposed to look like. But we might have to send this back and have them work on it a little bit. But I'm fucking with the show. It's an improvement on episode one. It's not a home run.

It is a right now the show is a screeching, screeching single or a double down the line. One of those joints that just gets past the third baseman. You know what I mean? But you still get to, you still gets a second? Jamie, Steve, mid boys. What do you think? I mean, Charles Tripping.

I liked it. I mean, I like everything. But this episode in particular, I think I really enjoyed more than episode of one, like you said. It's an improvement. I did think that conversation with, first of all, I know who that woman was until she said, that's my daughter. And I put the thing together. I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. I think that was probably like the week's party episode.

but the conversation with Gravick and the world leaders, Nick Fury talking to our boy, Rodi, and then the ending scene, I thought like all of that, like brought some to, oh, and the scene with Nick and Talos on the train, I thought we learned a lot, and I think I'm ready for what the show has offered in the future, man. I'm very interested to see what happens going forward.

I can agree with you. The stuff that you said worked there, it worked there for me. Steve, what do you feel? From everything that Jomey said, I get a sense of momentum from every scene that he mentioned, from the train, to the scroll council, to the conversation with Rody, all of these things. Like, things are going in motion, and I kind of like the direction that we're getting. I think every performer is delivering to the utmost of their ability on what this show is doing. Like, every performer?

Most performers. Every performer? Our main cast, our main cast. Our main people. I'm going to be real with y'all. Sam has been better. I'm being for real, man. Sam has been better, bro.

I can't agree with Van Moore. I can't agree. There were some points I'm like, I can't tell if it's the material. I can't tell if it's, I don't know what it is, but I'm just like, this isn't the same level.

I think the cast is delivering the ceiling on the material is what I'm saying for right now. I think Olivia Coleman is doing a great job. She's so fun with every scene that she's in. I think Kingsley Benedere is actually proving to be a very, very, very compelling. Loving him. Adversary. Yes.

Loving him. He's so good. And when he's getting to, like, actually monologue and partificate about the things that is actually going to make his sort of world philosophy against Nick Fury and his cause worthwhile, I think that's all good. but again, I'm with most everybody here We're like we're kind of starting Like the gears are turning but they're slow still

And I'd like to see more Because this was indeed an improvement in my opinion as well Okay, let's talk about some things that we learned here At the beginning of the episode we see A D-H Sam Jackson looked good I like it when they get the de-aging right It's really impressive when they get it right You like that shit huh Steve?

I don't know why I wanted to give you a Transatlantic slave point. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. There was no reason that there was no reason to give you one. Right. But there was no reason to give you one. But for some reason, I was just thinking, I just literally marked it down. I was just like on my thing.

That's right. I'll give you a reason at some point. At some point it'll come up. But I just know why. It's just like, that's unfair. I'm catching myself right now. That was toxic. I apologize to Steve.

Stop it, man. Stop trying to give away T.S. TAS, okay, TAPs. So look, we learned at the beginning of this episode, we actually already knew this, but we see Nick Fury telling the scrolls

that him and Captain Marvel will find a home world for them in exchange for their help. Now, we already knew that this quip pro quo had been made, but I will say this, seeing it, and knowing that the shit didn't happened, it kind of hit.

It did kind of make me feel like this motherfucker's up here talking shit, all right? It was a very important scene to see it after this happens after a little bit of a flashbacking and stuff that we get from Captain Marvel. Chuck, what did you think about them setting this kind of original sin up and giving us the Fury-Talos relationship and the good. gravic betrayal right there for us to see rather than just telling us about it. I think it made a lot of artistic sense, but I think this scene and the tallos scene being together made me question if the show kind of knows who they want Nick Fury to be in the past and

who they want him to be in the present, because I kept being like, this is kind of stuff that Nick Fury should have known was either going to go wrong or like, why does Fury, like, if Jerry's is as smart as he says he is. In American history, it has never gone wrong, arming a group of people, you know, to help you as a secret army. That has never gone wrong in the history of the United States ever. Similarly, him being like with Talos being like, wait, you lied to me? There's a million scrolls here.

I'm like, Nick, they can shape shift, bro. My first question would be like, hey, before anything, of them get to be on this planet, we better make sure we are 100% clear how many of them are. Can we find them at any given point? So it was just funny. I was just like, I was wondering in that moment, I'm like, how capable is Nick? Because the character's keeping like, you ain't the old Nick that you used to be. You ain't the old Nick that you used to be.

I'm like, man, the old Nick was fucking up some fierce. I thought about this, that exact same thing when I saw this. Do you know, using a secret army, we hear about it, like publicly when it goes bad. And if we hear about it, it's because it's going bad. Fury probably does that all the time. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Fury probably does that all the time, bro. Like, he probably does that a lot.

So we don't really know his win-loss record here. Yeah, he probably is used to rolling in the places. starting proxy wars, using client services all over the world. He was probably like itching to be able to activate the scrolls. And that kind of, that bargain or that deal that he made with them, that's like a spy's dream, right? No, I mean, it's a spy's dream. But if I'm Fury, I'm just like, if they go rogue,

I have a bunch of shape-shifting superhuman enemies. And if I'm Fury, knowing the Fury from the comic books, at least, and some of the Fury that we've seen in the MCU, I'm just like, there is nothing worse than making a secret army that can outlive you has access to technology that your planet probably does not and can just beat the shit out of you or be any government operative they want to be at any given point,

which I thought was like very, very funny. He's like, there's a million of you here? I was like, Fury, of course there are. Why wouldn't there be? It makes him also like crazy naive, like post-Avenders. Like, what was he thinking now knowing that like the scrolls were like a secret force that could really overthrow them at any time? And just like, the Avengers are like, we're just going to take care of Loki and nothing else. And like, I'm going to keep you on a leash for that.

After the Chattari, I would have been like, hey, I would be like, hey, yo, scrolls. Yeah, come on now. Come on now. So remember, he met the scrolls before he met the Chattari. Yes. Yeah. So he didn't give a fuck about the Chattari because he, you know what I mean, he met the scrolls before he met the Chitari. So he was already knee deep in alien's fucking problems.

Yeah, but after the Chaturre, I would have done a check-in. I would have been like, hey, you know what? I listen, I know that we saw some crazy stuff in New York, but I just want to check in. How are we feeling about living on Earth right now? The scroll saw the Chitari and they're like, they're going crazy. They're giving us ideas. No, I feel like him and Talos' relationship was strong enough. Where he trusts his boy, I think that's like the main problem in this scene.

But he's like, yeah, man, they got like a couple of scrolls out here. It's cool like a couple hundred, couple thousand. And when Talis is like, hey, man, yeah, while you was in space, I made a call to the hummies. It's like you throw a party and you're like, yeah, we got 35 homies coming through. That's cool. That's a lot, you know, a lot of people. But hey, and then you leave. You're like, I'm going to pick up some drinks.

I'll be right back. You come back. and there's like 250 people. And like, hey man, what's going on? I was like, yeah, I made a call. I just invited everybody in my phone to come through. It's like, I didn't really have a plan for that. I trusted you to keep this party tight.

And now it's too many people. Yeah, you got to get off the straight, my boy. We're really not seeing eye to eye. I think that's really what the problem was. Like, Tilos went and took an inch and stretched it to a mile, you know, in terms of bringing up a million scrolls to earth. That's nuts. I will say this, that is a hell of a lie.

But that, to me, that scene was underplayed. That's a hell of a lie. That, you guys, think about that, you guys. I understand that there are two things about that scene that jumped out at me. One is that to think that there are 2,000 people there and you brought a million people and you don't tell me, I assume that they were doing that to equalize them, meaning, okay, Nick Fury said he was going to find him a home world. He didn't find him a home world.

And that seems like a really bad thing. And obviously it's a huge, huge betrayal. I guess they're equalizing the betrayals between those two characters by having Tell us have told such a big lot of Nick Fury. That's the first thing that I thought. That's a huge lie. The second thing I thought was Nick Fury is saying that he couldn't accept a whole race of people that would come to the earth and use it as a home,

people who have abilities, is rich. when the Asgardians live on Earth. I thought the same thing. I was like, this makes no sense. It's incredibly, it's like, it's very, like, xenophobic coded as well. Like, it feels really off to just being like, okay, we don't fuck with you,

but we'll fuck with Asgardians because we, because Thor is cool with us. And that's why we'll accept that. Like, it's as, the Asgardians are super fucking strong, bro. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? I mean, they can't shape shift,

but they are like, Like super strong. So I thought that. I'm like, what? The Asgardians, as far as we know, are not a threat, right? What are you talking? You don't know that. No one knows how are you?

How are you not a threat? Because when, like, we can't ask all. Then everybody's a threat. Like, let's let's let's look at the threat. That's the whole thing about being a spy. Let's, you're opening a can of warms here. Let's let's be smart. Let's keep it in house.

Right. Let's keep it in house. Okay. the Asgardians, we've seen them in Infinity War, seen the endgame. They'd just be up there doing anything. Like sometimes go over come down, mess things up, but at most part, they're not out in the streets causing manham.

The scrolls, however, have the ability to shape shift and take over things, and you wouldn't even know that they've infiltrated. That's a little different. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? It's a little different. It's a little different.

Can I ask you a question? Just one question? Yeah, it's one question. Is Loki and Asgardian? Okay. I would say that the Asgardians have made some trouble on us. Yeah, they might have made control on it. You know what I'm saying?

We know that. After the original Avengers, I'm like, yo, I would be like, Asgardians can never come to this planet. We already saw what happens when one of them comes. You know what I'm saying? Before you guys even go off on Twitter, Loki's a Frost Giant.

We know it, guys. We saw a movie, too. He's a Flash Giant, but he's from Asgard. He was raised on Asgard. Yeah. And I'm sure if Fury was still Fury, you know, he'd have, he'd have a, he'd have eyes over there.

But at this point, it's really like, the scrolls are really the problem now. I'm not really worried about the Esgaris right now, and you find out there's a million freaking people who can turn into anybody and do anything is a little bit,

I feel like it's a little bit more, like, higher on the level of holy crap, holy crap, holy crap. That's a problem. Now, at first I thought that perhaps Fury wasn't able to figure out that Tellos was lying to him

because I just realized I say, tell us his name a different time every time I say it. That's the whole thing. No, Thanos thing. I'm sorry, guys, I'm from the country. But I realized that he didn't realize that maybe that was like, maybe they were speaking to the fact that Fury has lost his mojo. But this lie would have been told when he was Ultra Fury.

That's what I'm saying. He would have been at the prime of his, like, not letting anything get by him, which I was also wondering, how do you let a million aliens come to Earth and not know it? Like a million aliens? Like a nation's worth. You know what I'm saying? How do they even get here? Well, I mean, he's not, what do you mean?

He's not going to know. Remy, Tello said he sent out, I did it again. He said he sent out the beacon and the beacon called everybody in. I mean, I guess how would Fury know like their scrolls? No, I'm saying how did they get to, did they just teleport here? Did they arrive in ships? Like, it seems like because they're refugees on a bunch of planets, do they have the technology that could just blip them from one planet to the next.

I would assume they had to come in ships. To Steve's point, that's like a nation's worth of people just arriving. Maybe they will, like, explain it, but I'm just like... Small nation. A million people is a lot of people. A million people is a lot of motherfuck up. A million people. There's more people in a fucking valley.

You know what I mean? It's a small nation of people. The Caribbean nation. The country's with 50,000 people go to the Olympics, okay? Like, it's tough. Steve, look at geographical, Steve. Carmen San Diego. This episode is brought to by the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo.

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How do you think the introduction of the idea of the Super Scrolls was handled in this? It seems like it's kind of the bedrock, especially when we talk about the two doctors that are running the experiments. It seems like it's the bedrock. It's going to become the bare rock of the show, maybe trying to head off the scrolls, gaining new abilities that could make it easier for them to take over the world. We're going to talk a little bit about the council and graphic taking control of things a little bit later. But it seems like we're moving towards that. Is that something that you're excited for, Charles? Is that something that you feel like the back half of the show

with the introduction of the Super Scrolls could really like take the show to another level? I'll be honest. I'm really a classic guy when it comes to certain things. And I do think that I like seeing at least our comic book version of the Super Scroll have the fantastic force powers. Well, you know that's not going to happen. I know that that's not going to happen.

So if you're telling me you're just like, okay, like part of me is just like, Like, all right, if we had a list of things to choose from, Gru, Extremist, Colopsidian Frostbeast, I'm like, okay, cool, cool. Maybe if we didn't have the Fantastic Four, if it was me, I'm just like, could we get like some Super Soldier serum in here? Can we get some other, are there some cooler, you know,

superpowers on the list? If I'm a Super Scroll and I got the whole MCU at my disposal, I don't know if Extremist is the first thing I'm going to immediately. I'll be honest. Charles, what's wrong with you? What are you talking about what's wrong with me? Like, why are we getting deep into the weeds on the, you're, you're, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I'm just saying, if I was a super scroll, this is what I would want. I love, I love it. I love it. We'll even have the, we'll even have the Fantastic Four in the MCU yet, but you want to go get their powers. No, well, if I'm, if, we're trying to do powers that are like, all right, Groot is obviously supposed to be Mr. Fantastic.

Yeah, stretch. Yeah, yeah. Colise, sitting is probably supposed to be the thing. The thing. You know, if I'm growing. I'm like, nah, get me the Hulk. You know what I'm saying? You know what's better than the thing?

The Hulk. You feel me? Like, if I'm just like, ooh, who has the closest power to a Sue Storm? Let's see if we could do some Scarlet Witch. Like, let me see if I, is there anything we could do here? That's just, that's what I would be doing as a super scroll. I don't know I'm getting attacked. I'm just fucking with you, bro.

Jomi, what do you think? And that part, I thought it was, it was pretty interesting. Again, like, Super Skull in the comics, it's supposed to, you know, mimic the powers of the, like, Like one president has the entire powers of Fantastic Four. And so I thought it was interesting how, like, you take the stretchy powers from Groot as breed and extremist for Johnny and so on and so forth. I thought that was cool.

And it keeps it, you know, kind of, I don't say comic-up accurate because it's not true, but kind of keeps Secret Scroll, you know, to bring it home to his roots, which I appreciate. And I think that part was interesting because if you go back to the scene with Gravick and the leaders, They're like, bruh, what about the Avengers, man? You know, they pack a punch. It's like, don't worry, don't worry. I got it. I think the Super Scroll is his contingency plan

in case anybody with powers are going to run up on him. That's interesting to see because so far in the series, I don't know anybody got any got superpowers aside from Rody in his suit. So, like, maybe it's a bit of overkill. Maybe we'll see somebody else who can go up against him. But, like, if he get the Super Scroll thing going,

as far as we know, there's nobody that can really stop him in this series as of right now. They can't take over unless the experiments are a success. And there's an assumption that if there was a mass scroll invasion and the scrolls tried to take over

the world, which, you know, they're doing, that the Avengers will come in and stop it. He's saying that that's not a concern. I got that taken care of. If they don't get, I think what we're going to see in the back half of this is everything kind of a race to stop them from gaining those abilities.

And one or two of them might, but they probably want a whole bunch of them to have it. A race to stop them from gaining those abilities. Because if they gain those abilities, there's probably no stopping them, especially if it's like a million of them. Not sure how many people are in Gravix's corner in terms of like how many of those million scrolls

that exist now are with him. And how many are on the other side. But, you know, if he has any significant number and they can do all of that stuff, is game over. The council scene itself, I thought was one of the better scenes in the season so far

because it showed to me, and we've seen that scene before, it reminded me in Blade when Deacon Frost walks in to the vampire meeting and basically says, hey, fuck all you guys. Like, the humans should be our food. And they say, you're not a pure blood.

And I'm like, I shouldn't have said that. You insulted him. I don't know. While you did that, he looks like he's angry, you know. So it's kind of the same thing, watching a young gun come in with those older guys and ladies and kind of take over with the sheer force of who he is. It's a very important scene for Gravick. I wonder if that council is kind of the, that's the scroll council, right?

Yeah. So that's the one that Talos got kicked off of. That Talos got kicked off of. And they're already world leaders. So the scrolls already run NATO and are the prime minister of Great Britain. and I thought that scene was important for setting the stakes. Steve, what do you think? I think that this is like a genuinely

good momentum setter for where the scroll invasion, quote unquote, is already at. And even illustrating like the sort of dissonance within the ranks of the scrolls to be like, no, we can coexist and probably take a little stake for ourselves so long as we let this pot boil for a little bit.

And that's just not acceptable for them. So they take their media influencing, they take their political influencing, and then they accelerate it via our villain. And I think that's a very good set of stakes. And to know that the end game of this is probably not going to be, hopefully, a big CGI punch fest between two Super Scrolls, one being a hero, one being not. and to know that like this will probably end up just being like a more I hope a bit more of a like understated like conflict resolution is actually very exciting to me because I hope that that's something that could actually be taken away from the Marvel playbook.

Did the scrolls get snapped? I'm assuming some scrolls probably did because I'm wondering is that when they came was like was Talos like, hey yo, Fury's not home, million scrolls. come through. Was that when he was just like their week? Or was that when the council was like, damn, you know what? It's time to start getting busy. I really hate the fact that we have to like keep explaining what happened on in the blip,

but like that's probably a pretty good time for it to happen. Good question. Probably happened during the blip. Because they wouldn't have come all at the first like during the Captain Marvel era. It was later on. He said he sent out the beacon. So during the blip, probably a good situation. You know what I mean?

Probably a good time. When Nick was his face? well Nick was dead No but I'm saying when Nick went to space After the blip Well that would make much sense because if he was in space You would think that Sabre would have some way to kind of track Who was coming in and off world

But like during the blip When everybody was all upset And there were Wells in the Hudson And Yankee Stadium was fucked up Maybe nobody even cared about who was coming or going And also there were like Less people maybe on the earth Although you would think that during

in the blip the remaining Avengers that were watching everything so closely tracking think about how how vigilant that was yeah you would think that they would have been able to but you know who knows when it when it

like when it went down I was just thinking of that because I was just like I was trying to square I'm just like if they were here if the million were here before the blip and they come back do they come back as scrolls or do they come back as the people that they are impersonating because if you're the primit

there's a new prime minister and like a scroll is just in your office you're just like, yo, what the fuck is happening right now? It is crazy. They come back at scrolls. But hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They definitely come back at scrolls. They couldn't have come back at scrolls.

How? How? Because if they came back as scrolls, there is no way that all of humankind wouldn't know that they were scrolls. Do you remember when the stuff that we've seen from people blipping back is they blit back and they blip back in hospitals.

They blip back on planes. They blip back. If it was a million scrolls and I don't know how many scrolls were here before, but if there were any scrolls and they got snapped and then they came back, we wouldn't know that there were scrolls, bro. Like because people would be like, yo, man, I seen a green thing unless Fury was going around cleaning up for everybody. I'm serious. No.

It's like, fear you get back here now. No, I don't think it was, I don't think it was that deep. I think he'd just come back as, like, the humans that they were, and you just kind of like duck out and run and hope nobody see you and the same person at the same place at the same time. Ultimately is what it becomes. These are the questions. The snap might have broken the MCU because now I'm just going down a rival and being like,

damn. War Machine, just, I have to text on, man. I did it, bro. I said, bro. Just whatever, Jomey, let it go. Like, it's, he's just dropping his nuts. Just all over Fury, man.

He was like, it's like they never, that makes me think he's a squirrel. That scene makes me think that Rody is a squirrel. He's the opposite thought. It's like they never, it's like they never got down. Having the white man escorted him was out of the, out of the pub was crazy. That she was crazy, bro.

Jummi, tell me what you thought. Tell me what you thought of the scene then. So, I love that scene. I thought that was probably, like, one of the best scenes. It was really good, yeah. Of the show, like,

honestly, like, going back, I think of, like, all the series, like one of the best shows, or best scenes we've seen on Disney Plus Marvel so far. Like, those two actors going back and forth.

I mean, you guys are like, Sam Jackson, not really seeing it, but, I mean, Sam Jackson, you know, even doing that is still pretty,

good. It was, I think what got me watching that scene. I was thinking about that scene in 40-year-old version with Kevin Hart and Romani Falco when Fury and Rudy's like, hey, man, come on, man, help me out. We're supposed to be brothers. He's like, it's like, I don't need you to be my Negro, man. Be my nigga. That's what that scene was, really. And Don Chita was like, nah, bro, we lost that. You lost that battle, man. You're not doing that. Steve, you're laughing

a little hard there, bro. No, I just, I love that scene because you left a little too hard. Kevin Arne has the funniest line ever in cinema history in that scene. What's the funny line? What is it? What's the line? You're throwing a lot of big words at me. And since I don't understand them, I'm going to take them as disrespect.

Watch your mouth and help me with the sale. You switched up that line real quick. You switched up that line real quick. What are you talking about? That's not just what I say. The standout line is, don't be my Negro, be my nigger. Okay, fine. But I actually, I actually think it's hilarious.

I'm just joking with Steve. It's hilarious. He's like, you're saying like, I'm taking my disrespect. Watch your mouth. And help me with the same. And what he says after was very funny. Right, right.

It's really funny. Yeah, I love that scene. I thought it was really well done. And I think it further illustrates, like he fires Nick, right? Like, he's all the stuff Dick's done from Captain Marvel to now, all that stuff.

Hey, we appreciate you, my man. Here you're walking papers. You're done. Next time I see you, I will arrest you. Like, it's, like, that's, Nick at his lowest right there. Charles, is this the first time in the history of the MCU that one character has appealed to another character based on race?

I was thinking about it. I can't think of another time in the MCU where someone has gone, yo, man, we black, we got to stick together. Am I wrong? Has that ever happened before? No, that's what made the scene so weird to me. I was just like, I get what y'all are doing, but this is definitely a different MCU.

I don't know if like Sam Jackson was like, hey, y'all give me the script. I like, I got some shit for you real quick. Let me like, let me cook. Because when Sam was asking Rodi that, and this is what makes me think Rodi's a scroll, which makes it really problematic. If Rodi's a scroll, if he's really not a black man, if he's talking to Nick like this, the scroll's got some problems, man. We need to call in Doree.

You know what I'm saying? What are you talking about? Dore. You know what? I mean, we got to call up the day, Greg. What are you talking about? The scrolls aren't any race. Like, every time a scroll

takes a form, is white face, black face, uh, uh, it's all an appropriation. Yeah, but here's the thing, here's the thing. Gravick was a little kid and he's looking up to fury. He's just like, I'm gonna be a black boy,

a black soldier when I grow up too. Man, he definitely had an accent, though. Well, also, it's a little weird. like, is part of the scroll's transformation that they're automatically good at accents? Because I was wondering that during the scene when like we're at the scroll council, like when you become like,

if you're a British person, do you automatically have the accent? I think that might happen when you take somebody's mind for sure, like the dialect, the affect and all that stuff. Probably so, but also like in Marvel, everybody from another planet,

like they, most of them, talk British. That is true. That is true. Mad people from other planets talk British and Marvel. I mean, the ravagers and stuff like that, or they, some of them were American, but like, Asgard is all British. You talk British.

You know what I mean? So actually not, I think about it. Only the Asgardians are British because. No, no, no, no. You're making some points because, like, there are a couple like aliens where you're just like, wait, how does every alien have a British accent? saying that. They talk a little British, you know, to fucking have.

Now, let me tell you why I enjoyed this scene. Let me tell you why I enjoyed this. Number one, the scene had to happen in the show. Because in order for this show to work, Nick Fury had to be a man on his own. And for me, it has been unclear what Fury's official role

in government is now. And, like, when the president says that Fury is on Sabre, and he's developing Sabre, well, is Fury the head of sword now? Because Shield is basically gone. It doesn't really exist in any real way anymore. Or if it does, it's very small. Back to, like, a spy organization. So is Fury the director of Sword now? Because he's building Sabre.

Is he a higher up in Sword? And then Fury. doesn't seem to really know what can happen to him because he throws the rank thing in Rody's face

almost as if Rody is being insubordinate and then Rody fires him. I didn't know necessarily what where Nick is on the pecking order of things right now and so it was good to get him

like completely cut ties with him. Go ahead, Steve. I think it was interesting because like the dynamics at play in that scene between the two of them are kind of all over the place, but in a good way because you can see that Nick is like kind of like scrounging for a bit of leverage in that conversation where he's like, well, I've been in this game longer than you, young man, yada yada, we'll pull ranks. But then he's like, okay, appealing to their better relationship, their race as well. It's like, he's clearly like, desperate in this time to know that he has to have some allies here and he's running out of them fast.

I think as far as his official title, he's probably been since the end of Shield on that like, government consultant thing where they can just move him and place him wherever he is and to know that he's had some authority over the decades that he's been a spy,

people haven't really fucked with him like that. And now that Rodi's actually like being like, well, no, this is is the last time that we fuck with you, uh, you're gone. Like, would a government consultant be placed in charge of the most

intricate and high tent planetary defense system ever created? It is when you want to hide them from the payroll. But it would seem like you would have to have some incredibly official capacity to, to be, to be up there. Yeah, but like for the,

for the sake of like nobody knowing where you are, like he'd been on the run since the, since the end of winter soldier. He had kind of been in and out. of the Avengers lives since then. He'd been kind of doing his own thing and associating himself with whatever like defensive organization or going off

solo for himself until the snap happens. And then he's like, okay, well now I got to make some shit out in space for a while. So now we're going to be like, okay, whatever capacity that I have to develop this is pretty much what I'm going to do. Jomi, you got thoughts.

Well, remember that Rodi's a colonel, right? So he's like, I don't, he's pretty high in the middle. military structure, right? I think probably what happens is after the blip, Fury comes back and is, you know, whatever it's a government consultant, whatever capacity. I think what really matters is I'm pretty sure that,

I don't know if like Rody, Rody fires him, but Rody is an official envoy of like the president at this point, right? Like the president is going to show up. So Rody did. And remember, Rody was like, nobody asked me to do this. volunteered. So, like, maybe the president was like, hey, man, somebody got to go tell Nick Fury that he can't do this job no more.

And Cornrose is like, hey, man, I can do it. Me, me, me, me, me, pick me. He's like, bro, you're gone. Pack your bags. Get out of your, go home. You know, I think that's more likely than, like, Nick Fury is some super colonel in the military. You know, he's got, like, some super duper. He got, like, nine stripes on his thing, you know, versus... You know, just like, hey, bro, they needed somebody to fire you. I'm your boy. If the snap happens, this alien invasion happens that gets half of humanity snapped off of the earth, then whoever is in charge of Sabre is one of the most important and powerful people on the planet. Because I'm assuming the UN, different countries are like, this can never happen again.

Like this, like, all of this money is being diverted. So Sabre can stop this from ever happening, which is why. Part of the thing that I was confused about is I'm just like, if Fury is in charge of it or is entrusted with this level of safety, can he just be fired this quickly by someone? Which makes me think that he's probably not in actual, like, official official capacity because they would have that power to get riddened. Yeah.

But he was up there for years. I'm looking at the ranks here. Like I'm locked in all the ranks. And, I mean, there's, you got like generally Army, General, Lieutenant General, Major General, Brigadier General, Colonel, right? So if Word is a colonel, then, like, maybe

Fury is a Major General, or Lieutenant General. Fury is not in the Army. Fury is a spy. That's what I'm saying, though, right? Like, where's... But obviously, he outranks... Does he outrank him by age?

Or does he, like, officially outrank him? It's the question. So here's the deal. So this is the deal. Let's just talk about this. So shout out to all my people in the armed forces and stuff. All right. So number one, two questions.

What does Fury have to do? What does Roady have to do to make general? I feel like Rodi, I feel like it's time for Rodi to get that call up, okay? Okay. Yeah, he's been there for too long. You got to remember he messed up during Civil War or Infinity War. He signed the thing and then Thought about Ross was like, hey, man, you mess around. We're going to arrest you.

And he- Yeah, they saved the world after that. Yeah, they saved the world after that. And, you know, Thunderbolt Ross is trying to chase down the dial of destiny. So look. Last thing on this scene, Rody as a squirrel, are you more or less convinced in the squirrel-nature,

Squirly Rody, of Rody-Rody-Squerelman, Rody-Squerel? I'm way more convinced. There's two reasons I'm way more convinced. I think we're at the point in the show where we're going to talk about the next reveal after this. But I think we're at the point where there's only so many people who can be revealed. And then part of me that gave me pause was when Rody was like, yeah, yada, yada, yada. I know about the scrolls. And I'm like, Rody, if your ass knows about the scrolls, then why aren't you doing anything about this?

If I'm Rody, I'm just like, God damn it. Like, we have another alien and like, all right, cool, all right. And so to me, he has to be a scroll because I'm just like, if I'm in the middle, military and I know that the director of Sabre is coming to me and he's like, it's here, it's time, I need help. I would have had a different response than

yeah, you're fired. Okay. All right. Let's get to the huge thing at the end. I guess Charles kind of... About to talk my shit. Y'all looked at me like I was crazy. I knew Nick Ferry was tapping that ass. I knew he was tapping that scrow ass.

Woo! Y'all called me crazy. Getting your back. And look, Nick Fury said in the first episode, he says, I've seen better-looking scrolls, which kind of hinted to the fact that he might be getting down. Charles, talk your shit, bro. Tell you. All right.

So here's the thing that I will say. You know, I'm glad that I was proven right. I'm very upset with myself that I was proven right. Because this opens a can of worms when Nick was like, when Nick was on the train with Talos and he was just like, yeah, you know what? No other species can coexist with us on this planet. fuck your species.

And I'm like, Nick, you've been, you've been blowing up the club of a scroll and you telling them that another species can't coexist.

So you can fuck a scroll. Well, but you can't exist. Wait, hold on, hold on. That's not. That's not exactly true. What's not true? What's not true?

We don't know that he knows Jesus scroll. That's true. I think that's the most interesting question. Yes. Does he know? Right? Does he know that that's a threat?

on the train was saying that he prees like humans have been fine with humans ever since they could stand up they found out that there were aliens on the planet they would fight aliens there's no way they could coexist

I think that's what he's trying to say he was not saying like he was not being xenophobic he was just like listen if we find out their aliens it's a rap it's all out war people are going to get messed up I think that's what he was talking about

in that moment there's a part of that's interesting I never had the thought that he didn't know that she was a scroll that's interesting though. Maybe I should have thought. I never had that thought.

That is interesting. Maybe he doesn't. Because I'm just like, if he does not know that his wife is a scroll, it makes Nick Fury one of the dumbest motherfuckers of all the time. It is.

I mean, it's kind of tough. I'd be honest with you guys. You never know with women. All right. All right. I'm not saying. Women are not turning to.

That's a. All right. Come on. I don't. You know, see you guys. Man is old. I'm just saying. We're going to go on TikTok.

You know what I mean? Like women, women have secrets, bro. Women have secrets. And you guys, you don't know. Oh, we're going deeper now. You guys haven't, you guys ain't done the requisite living yet. If I keep talking like this, I won't be able to. What are you talking about?

I mean, women have secrets, bro. They have secrets. Tell them more about women's secrets, man. What I'm telling you is sometimes you got to get to know your lady and you have to make room to like really hear her life story and you'll hear things that you didn't know or her friends was like women have secrets scrolling it up you never like you have no you don't know

and in this situation there are all kinds of reasons that Nick Fury might not know might not know she's a square he might not feel it's okay to ask her about life and scrollos or whatever or where she's from you could be talking to your girl and you could be like tell me about your family life She goes, it was tough.

I don't really want to look back. Boom, you can't talk about it. That's it. You can't be like, hey, I think it's important to know. No, it's over. No discussion. You move on to the next thing. What movie are we going to see tonight?

Would you like to go to the arc light? That's what you got to do. So you never know. That whole family life that she didn't want to talk about could have been on scrollos. So we're saying that Nick Fury's marriage has poor boundaries, knowing that his wife's a scroll. Listen, look at what happened.

walked in and he tried to go and be loving towards her. And she said, put your ring on. All right. Put your ring on. There's something there. There's a, there's a, she runs him. He might not know. I don't. I think that was more of a like, hey, listen, when you're home, you're home, and when you're home, you're my husband. Let me tell you something. Put that ring on. I get it. I understand that, right? He's got to keep his, he's got to keep his, his situation intact. So she wants him to re-access their marriage when she comes in the house. I'll tell you what. Squirrel or no squirrel.

She chose to be a black woman, which means she chose to run him. She chose to be in that situation. Hey, you listen to what the black ladies say. That's what I'm saying. You listen to what the black ladies say. They say, put your ring on, you listen to what the black ladies say. Have you guys ever seen that? You guys have all been here.

Have you ever seen that happened? in this house. I could be planning. Everybody be sure to tune into the summit of the sexes on higher learning coming on next month. All I'm saying is I know my limits. I know what's supposed to happen. Hey, it's time to go. Hey, Van, stop being so loud. Stop laughing and having joy.

I take it down. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. And Nick Fury knows that. Kalika has told you stop laughing and having joy. She'll tell me stop stop laughing so loud. Like, me and Bowers would be going crazy and she'll be trying to work. And it's got to stop. Why are you acting like y'all haven't been over here.

Ben, pick it up, put it in the trash. Ben, take it outside. Ben, take the dog out. Well, me and Jomi are watching the do it now. You know what I'm saying? So I'm saying, look, Fury knows what's up? Fury knows the deal. I know the questions I have is,

if he knows that she's a scroll, did he meet her as a scroll or as the shape of the woman that the scroll turns into? I think that it's a big tell that she is cooking. in the kitchen in her scroll form and then when he walks in that door, she is now in human form. And that's when she tells him to do all this stuff

and that like, we do not see her at all acknowledge her prior form in front of Nick Fury. So that makes me think that that's probably a front that like she is running him and that she is probably like deceiving him from that. I don't not think that he knows that. I'll be honest with you. I'm with Charles.

If Nick is sharing his bed with a scroll and he don't know, bro. Nick, Nick life. Yeah, bro. It's gonna be really hard for me to take the rest of this show seriously if my man, like,

if he's that down bad. Then the switch had to just have happened. Yeah, because everybody was just like, because this would have happened in his prime. Everybody keeps telling you like, man, Nick, you lost it, you lost it. He must have met Shottie in the 90s.

You feel me? If he's been bamboozled, come on, bro. Oh, well, Nick, like Paul Pierce in the later years, bro. Oh, boy. The clipper years, bro. Like, I think he's got to know. Let's make a midnight thing.

Let's take a vote real quick. I want everybody to vote. Who thinks that Nick knows that she's a scroll? I think he knows. I think he does not know. I think he doesn't know, but not because she was a scroll before. I think she was an actual human person

that got replaced by a scroll. There was a swap recently that has happened. There was a swap recently. and he's going to go find out and he's going to be like, oh, no, my wife's been replaced by a scroll. I'm with you, Joe Me. I'm with you. I think he knows

that she's a scroll and I'll tell you why. I don't think that the Nick Fury that we know would have been married for as long as it would have taken for him. I think that he got married to her recently, not super recently, but after the scrolls

came to Earth. Yeah, but why was she? want to hide in front of it. But here's the thing. And also he says, I know better looking scrolls. That, that's the, that's the tell to me. I'm like, if he knows better looking scrolls, then that means he's been attracted to a scroll.

Hence, like, it would have to be his wife. You know what I'm saying? Maybe. What if she's this, what if she's the scroll from the beginning that invited Gravick to the crib, you know? And was like, yo, maybe that's her. I don't know. I'm just spitballing at this point.

But interesting. Man. he has to know if he doesn't know that she's a scroll we we got to look at Nick Fury like differently bro. Like he was taking Pete. If he was taking P.E. If he does not know.

We got to we got a no Hall of Fame. We got to Pete Rosen, honestly. We got a ban on the titles. We got to. Yeah. When you look at the parts of all of this episode, the solid episode of television.

Like once you talk it out and you think about it, I don't know why does it. It didn't hit while I was, but when you think about it all the parts and nuts and bolts are there. Don't don't do this. I said it was solid.

I'm just saying that I'll say this. There is a point I look at my notes. Solid episode of TV. I look at my notes. This is what I'll say. There is a point.

These are the questions I ask myself. Is there enough mystery, intrigue, and intensity for this show to pull off what it's doing? Okay? I ask myself that.

And there was one point where I wrote down is this show corny? That was one of the questions I had. It was one of the questions I had. I think that that was early on and I think towards the end of the show, it ended up,

but there were a couple of things where I was like, God damn, this is kind of a little, but I think it's not perfect, but it rounded out really well. Okay, so now, as far as the mystery, intrigue, and intensity kind of gets there.

There's a pretty cool torture scene where we get to see the MI6th lady and kind of some of her. skills and all that stuff. I'll ask you this. This is for everyone before we move on to Superman and Lewis. If we're giving Secret Invasion a B minus C plus right now, I give it a B minus right now. That's what I'm giving it. Okay, B minus right now. C for me. Okay. Surprised it's not a F minus with you. The question is this. What does the show have to do in the last four episodes for this to be a strong entry into MCU canon.

What does this show have to get right? Let's forget about for a second where we're like it or not liking. And then let's talk with us and with the mob and with the writers a little bit about what we've seen two episodes now. We know what the tone is of the show. What do they have to execute on?

Based upon what we've seen so far, Charles, for this to be a success for you. I think at like the like the basis level, and I don't think this is just a secret invasion problem, I think it's been a problem we've been talking about for years at this point. It has to matter. If I go see the marvels, which Nick Fury is in, he's at the Sabre, compound, whatever,

and I feel like I did not have to watch secret invasion to, like, if I feel like it doesn't matter, I'm going to be like, why are we doing this then? And what I mean by, I don't need everything to be connected, but if Nick is the same Nick, I'll be like, all right, cool. It was like a fine way to spend six weeks of my life. And I think that's the type of stuff that I'm having a real hard time

grasping on because this doesn't feel important to me yet. It doesn't look important. It doesn't feel important. And I think that that's a problem that I've been having with a lot of these Disney Plus Marvel shows. they don't feel vital to the entire project. Can I offer some gentle pushback there? Okay.

Gentle pushback. Is that a little unfair to Secret Invasion? Isn't it the most important thing that Secret Invasion is just a good television show? What would make it feel important? When you say feel important, does it have to justify its existence with its quality or with his narrative. Every show that exists, whether it's Marvel, whether it's Love Island, whether it's whatever.

The central goal of a show of any piece of art is to justify its existence either with excellence, popularity, or conversation. You know what I mean? And does this show have to do more than that? Does it have to be more than just entertaining? When you say it has to be important or it has to matter, what would make it matter? Because I think there's two ways of looking at it.

We're at a point right now where like Marvel is suffering from what they put into motion. If you're going to make an interconnected universe and the whole reason that people continue to even watch this stuff, a lot of the reason is because Marvel has told you time and time again, you got to see everything, or at least you got to keep up with the project because if you don't, you'll be left behind. I personally am just like, if that is what you've been telling me for decades at this point, at a root, like at the root level, I have to, I have to judge you against that. Now there's the opposite thing, that if this show, quality-wise, was so good and so amazing, that the continuity didn't matter, I wouldn't give a fuck.

I would like that more. I was watching this and I'm like, I would have rather you just spent the $200 million it took to make this TV show or however much it cost and just casted Samuel Jackson and Don Cheadle in a spy movie, or in a spy TV show. Like, right now I think, if I'm going to be real, I think the MCU of it all is actually holding the show back.

And what I mean by that is I'm just like the scroll bullshit, the blip bullshit, the, wait, this doesn't make sense with what we know, all of that stuff, is actually holding back what I think could actually be a really, really cool logline if you're like, Samuel L. Jackson, Don Cheadle are against each other. Aliens have just invaded the earth. They can look like anyone.

I would have watched six episodes of that show. The minute you're like, well, they're scrolls and they're from Miss Marvel. And we also have to kind of like do a bunch of yada yada bullshit. I'm like, all right, when's Asaoka come out? It cannot come out any quicker. Like, my soul is dead.

I don't know what to do. Jesus Christ. My soul is dead. What? Men boys, what's up? I think the thing that it needs to do, I still stand by making it a good character study on Nick Fury, whether or not this is a sort of,

a thing of major consequence come, you know, the end of this series, or if this is like more of a kickoff to something that the Marvels would deal with or something like that. I think the main thing that we would want, that I would want to see out of this to me, make this extremely worthwhile is a sort of like reconciliation as to what Nick Fury's role is in his own like sort of self-idealized heroism to know that he's fighting for something right and

to know that he could do right by the scrolls and by humanity and by earth. Granted, that's a tough thing to do, but I think that we seem to be on the track for that. You know, if his wife is a scroll, it's going to be tough. Yeah, I'm rocking with you, Steve. I think at the highest level, this show needs to be about Nick Fury, getting his groove back. We've missed him for a minute.

We've been out the game. Let's see him play. I think if you're looking forward, like a big connection to the movies, when we've talked about this hand over fist, a million times on this podcast where they're like the movies and the TV shows, how really connected are there.

If you're looking for that, I feel like you might be disappointed because over the last few shows, like we haven't, we just haven't seen that. So if that's what you're looking for, you're probably going to end up disappointed. And so in terms of just getting the character right, like we've seen in a, you know, like Hawkeye and like Loki and things like that, just seeing characters develop and like move on and, you know, like, you know, see growth from them within these series.

I think that's what I'm looking forward to seeing in this show. And if it does that, then it works for me. I just need to have some fun. I need to be good. I think I want. I'm a good stuff. And I think I understand what Charles is saying.

And I think the importance that I'm going to kind of get for this show, the show is, it's volleyballing around a lot of big important things. The end of the world, World War III.

That stuff has to feel, that's the stuff that has to feel important. So I see, I get what you're saying about that. That stuff has to feel there has to be tension. You think about a spy thing, there's tension, there's tension, there has to be some tension,

and it has to kind of get there. It's ramping up, it's not quite there yet, it's ramping up. We'll see what happens if, you know, if introducing a love interest of Nick Fury raises the stakes a little bit.

I'll tell you what, if they introduce a love interest in Nick Fury in episode two, then they fridge or kill this love interest in episode five, I'm going to be upset because I'm just being for real

because this is not a character that we've seen for a long time so just to know just to introduce a character to kill the character so that Nick Fury can have a new mission

or can get reignited where we literally have 13 years of history with the character and they could have done something that involved actual real stakes and a real connection with somebody that already exists

would kind of piss me off a little bit. I'm not going to bullshit you. My last question for Secret Invasion would be, is this what we envision? Like, back when Nick Fury pops out of the shadows in Iron Man, and like you're getting rumors about there might be a Nick Fury movie

or a TV show or whatever over the years, is this how we imagined it would be quality-wise? Because if you have Samuel L. Jackson, I was just like, okay, like you have one of the best actors out there, super charismatic. You have the bones of something. This is the first time we've ever really gotten to see either Nick or War Machine, Rody, in my opinion, not be the sidekicks, not be the exposition dump people. Like, they get to have space.

Is this what we wanted? Because I'll be real. I don't know if it is. I just think because I'm so burnt out on the Disney Plus Marvel experience. I'm just kind of like, oh, but I'm like looking back to my MCU self when I first started. I'm just like, I don't know if I would have been jazzed about this. I mean, there's a possibility that they missed the prime of the character. That is what it is.

So there's a possibility that maybe a Nick Fury story would have been barit told in 2017 or in 2019. You know, there's a possibility that missed the prime of the character, but that, you know, that kind of is what it is. We hear, baby. You know what I'm saying? Pugh-Pew. we in this bitch. We're coming back. Nerd News Minute.

Big news. James Gunn is cast Superman and Lois Lane. All right. David Cornswet. Is that how you say it? David Corinne Sweat. Superman and Lois. She is from the fabulous Miss Maisel.

He is from, I saw him in Pearl, and I saw him in the show Hollywood. Back in the day, he was in Hollywood. He was the lead of that. You haven't seen him in We Own the City? Yeah, he was in We on the City. I thought I only can think of one character is Wayne Jenkins.

And that's the only character I love in that movie. Look, these are two people that are from central casting to play Superman and Lewis. I mean, and in a very specific way. I think what they went for, Henry Cavill looked like Superman, but he also looked like a modern comic book take on Superman.

He was very muscle bound. Okay? Being that he was muscle bound, he had longer hair, who was a Superman for the 90s to 2000s, 2010 is the way he's drawn now. Both of these characters look like sort of throwbacks to the classic

age of the character, which is what I think James Gunn was going for in this situation. What do they have to do to turn the page here? You know, this movie comes out in 2025, I think. And we got a version of Superman on screen with Black Adam, so it's not too

far between two different iterations of the character. And a lot of people love Henry Kevel. Charles would have to do to be successful here. It's the big news. I think honestly, you have to, we have to break ourselves away from the Christopher Reeve type energy. I think if you are going to make a Superman and Lois Lane work in 2025, when this drops, I think that you have to have a different take. And I'm not saying that you need like a Snyder versus Superman who was like killing people.

And like, I'm more so saying the thing that I, that James Gunn has been able to do with whatever he's touched, is that he introduces characters to you in a quirky way, in a modern way, that makes you think about them differently. I'll be honest, Star Lord, and the comic books did not have a strong character

to base anything around on. There was humor, you had the music, you understood, like, Chris Pratt's betrayal of him. That is somebody you could point to him, like, all right, that would be a slubby guy. what would happen if a slubby guy from Earth got a gun and went off in the galaxy. I don't know what he's going for,

but I don't think, if I'm going to be honest, I don't want a Brendan Roth situation again where we're constantly pointing to the screen and being like, but he's not Christopher Reeve though. And that is my, I think that is always the thing with Superman, is that because people are always trying to honor that betrayal of him, we always point and we're like, but it's not them. I would say the same thing if they're going to recast Ironman.

Your take would have to be so much different from Robert Downey Jr. Because you would keep pointing to the screen and be like, but it's not RDJ. Is that then, like, am I bugging in that? No, you're not bugging. If I had anything to say about the take, it would be that I don't know that it's necessarily the performance of Christopher Reeve that is weighing the character down. because the last two Christopher Reeves movies, Superman movies that he made, people weren't that jazzed about, you know?

And the character kind of went away for a while. What I would say is that there is something wearing a character down, and it has been a perfect portrayal of the character, Christopher Reeve to write about that. But it's, Superman is a very specific portrayal of an American hero.

And I think, that in that other director's movie that there was an attempt at kind of discussing that kind of discussing what truth, justice, in the American way mean and an attempt to litigate it, right?

Batman is easy. He's fighting corruption and the corruption exists up and down in Gotham. He's beating this shit out of people who who want to kill children. Always easy. Superman is like asking people

to be a better version of themselves. Because he always has to be a better version of himself. Nobody, if we had the powers of Superman, would be doing what he's doing. We take a little for ourselves. And he doesn't, right? And so there's a connection that the writer and the director

have to make to the audience with the character that nobody has quite been able to do. I thought Henry Cavill was getting close, to being able to portray the character with the charisma that it needs to be portrayed with. But in terms of like, what Superman means, like, and how Superman is,

it's just, it's harder to do nowadays. You know, it's harder to make that happen. You know, who pulled it off, though? Who? Did not play the character, but had the same level of difficulty. I think Chris Evans did it, and not overnight.

It took, I took him a while. but Chris Evans learned how to update a character that is a very specific like archetype of an American gentleman an American hero that we just don't see in media anymore but then again it took him like when would you say he finally kneeled Captain America probably Winter Soldier?

Well and it's important to look at Winter Soldier because the narrative around the character is actually what changed. If you take Steve Rogers who is a Boy Scout and you put him in World War II and he's fighting for America and he's doing all the things he has to do that's one thing.

But then when you take him and you put him in a spy thriller, it's not necessarily that you change the character, you change the world around the character and you see, they say this in Civil War, whether or not Steve Rogers will bend to the new world that he's now in. It's a fish out of water.

The same thing is a very similar situation in this comp that makes a lot of sense. And I think that's what they maybe haven't been able to do with Superman. like cats out of trees doesn't work anymore. It was awesome to see it when Christopher Reeve did it because it's look at the most powerful person in the world who is going to get a cat out of a tree for a young lady.

That's how human that character is, right? After 9-11 and stuff like that, people want Superman to figure out the world. If you're hearing you have that much power, there's a different sort of thing that the character kind of has to do. Right? I think we're a lot more jaded. about the things that are dangerous to us.

So I think it's tougher. And I also think that it doesn't seem like a hard character to play. But we keep talking about Christopher Reeve. He was a Juilliard trained fucking badass. And he dove into the character, and he studied old silent films to give you Clark. And he stood up straight. His eyes sparkled when he was.

Superman, they were lower, he slouch when he was Clark Kent. Like you could tell when he was Clark Kent and still dressed in his in his disguise, you could tell when he became Superman, he would stand up straighter, he would lift his chin,

his eyes would perk up. He could exude that, it's hard. And so we'll see if the guy has the goods, but you know, it also depends on story. I'm taking too much oxygen. Steve wants to say something. No, I like what you're saying here, Van. And I'm kind of with the line that Colson said

to Cap in the First Avengers like Superman could use a little old fashion at this point. And as much as I want to break away and get the antithesis of a Snyderverse Superman and get like, you know, get all of those sharp edges off

of him and make him just a guy from Kansas. That's what I really think that I would like to see, especially out of this guy because I personally first saw him in Pearl. I loved him in Pearl because there was, a weird, wholesome, and yet, like, slightly twisted nature to him. But again, that was the nature of the movie.

But, like, to see that he can kind of do both in that movie, I think, is a good kind of litmus test for the range that he has. I really hope that we stick a bit more into the wholesome Americana type of Superman that I think that we could all use from this. And it's not to say that the character can't be played without nuance and all of those things. I'm more so thrilled to see Rachel Brosnahan play Lois Lane because I think she's going to give me something that's like exactly that I've wanted to see out of Lois Lane for a while and that's like the 1930s Max Fleischer cartoon Lois Lane who like says fuck you to her boss and flies a plane and like puts a machine gun to bad guys and is kind of just there with Superman hanging with the best of them. I'm thrilled for. for most of this. Jomey,

what do you think? I am thrilled. Again, I love Richard Bonsonhan for Marvelous Miss Maisel, so when she was announced, I was locked in. Corne sweat of it all.

Interesting enough, Van, he also went to Juilliard. Funny enough. Interesting. So he's a Juilliard train actor himself. I think the thing that I thought about most

when I was thinking about this Joey, explain her, that's very interesting. We're locked in. My boy, I'm locked in. When I was thinking

about Superman and and this kind of goes back to our conversation on the flash man you have such an attachment to Christopher Reeves right and that's something that I don't think anybody under the age of 30 has to Superman like we don't have like nobody has a nobody's got a favorite Superman we all've got a favorite Batman we've all got a favorite Spider-Man but until Superman was like you know you know what I in that that's something that I think I can't put it on this movie to do that I can't sit here and say this movie has to give us

the Superman we've been waiting for like in terms of iconic Superman like I can't say that that's too much to put on the movie but in terms of giving us a Superman that we can like live with you know and be like oh man this is you know this harkens back to a to a I don't say like a better time

but a more classic Superman, something that, you know, we're used to saying in the comic books, not, you know, not Zach Snyder's murder Superman, who everybody only wanted to see be upset and angry and sad.

Like an actual, you know, who doesn't let his dad die in a tornado, right? Like an actual Superman who, you know, like we keep saying, just like real simple,

just like, you know, on the farm in Kansas, being a dummy metropolis of the Daily Plan. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. I'd be interested to see what James Gunn does with it because he seems like that's the kind of real easy, real simple Superman.

He wants to play. So in the next two years, when we sit down and we watch this movie for the first time, I'll be into see what that looks like. And can we get some version of that Superman that we've been waiting for for a long time? Can I ask you all a really difficult question? Really difficult. Is there a white boy in 2023 that we can think of that has the energy of Superman? It doesn't have to be an actor. Like, is like, are we, like, at this point in society, is there like a white boy out there

who are just like has Superman energy? Even if they don't look like Superman, they could be anything. It could be, they could be a musician, actor, director, politics, whatever. Not necessarily that you can play Superman, but. like somebody who has, who can be channeling. Yeah, who has the energy of it because I'm like, that's the thing. I'm having even like a hard time thinking of like, is there a modern person in, or even a character that's not Superman that we've seen in movies or TV that has enough of

the energy where we're like, this has worked within the last like 10 years. Let me tell you why I don't want to answer this question. Okay. Because this is the biggest jinx question. that has ever been asked in the history of the Midnight Boys. The moment I say, you know who I think is very nice and has the energy of Superman? Oh.

It's, it's the moment that I say, hey, you know who I fucking like, fucking the dude from bones or whatever his name. What's the guy's name? The angel guy. As soon as I say, I say somebody like that, I say, oh, Ashton Cutscher has Superman energy. Ashter tweet from 2009, what my niggas at. As soon as, like, as soon as, like, as soon as, as soon as I say, this happens every time.

I'll never do it again. This happens every time. Oh, this guy's a great guy. Like, you know what I mean? If you ask me, I would say Joe Burrell has the Superman energy. That's what I would say. Joe Burrow? Yeah, dog.

He looked like Superman to me. in 2019 but um but uh but yeah really it's just like a big jinx question to do this

and two weeks from now it's going to be like so-and-so emails leaked and it's gonna be where my niggas at like all that kind of crazy shit it happens every time

I'm not doing it I'm not putting anybody on that pedestal play Superman you only have to be Superman on screen because I'm telling you bro the flash

but no but my the reason I was asking that question is because I'm like, I can't even think of an equivalent of like who even has Superman energy, like as, you know, like in anything. Like, I can't even think of it because that character has been so, and me to Jomey's point when he was just like, well, nobody like under 30 gives a fuck about Christopher Reeve. I would take that further. I don't know if anybody under 30 really gives a fuck about Superman.

If we're going to be, if we're going to be real deal, if we just look at the money, like the money that like Batman is still made money. Man is still, man is still and Batman versus Superman. made money. Yeah, those made money. We're not Rock Who a little division though. We're not Rock Who Division though. It's what it is. They didn't make money, money like that, though. I know, you guys say this though,

but I keep having to remind you that Superman has never disappeared. Like, Lewis and Clark, or a Superman and Lewis is on right now. Smallville ran for a million years. Like, Superman has never disappeared from the

consciousness of America. But you have to admit, like culturally speaking. It is a lot. Like, it is a lot. Do you think a 10 year old? Does a 10 year old care more about Naruto or Superman? I don't know. Okay. I really don't know. That's the craziest thing. 10 year olds care about Roblox, Charles. Come on. Naruto, guys, Naruto. The rootle is it not Rudolph? Same thing. Spider, you're Spider-Man. I don't know. Like, it's like, Spider-Man way better than Superman right now. Yeah. I mean, if you're going about like the big three, it's Spider-Man, Batman, Batman. And Super-Man.

Superman. And I think the fact that... Superman's not in the Big Three at all anymore. He's not in Big Three. I mean, you can make the argument he's not in there anymore. But in terms of, like, comics and, like, important characters,

you know, historically, he's been there. And the fact of now is, we're like, you know, we're talking about this character and what he has to do on screen two years ahead of his film in order to be successful, it's nuts, right?

Like, it's just something that, like, normally we'd be like, the cast, like, even if they're Cassidoo, We'd be like, cool, hope this works, you know, keep it pushing because we know in the back of our mind, we've seen Batman work. It's fine, right? This Superman has, like, a lot on the shoulders, really. And shout out to Corrin Sweat, man.

Like, I hope he does this thing, how Rachel does her thing. Then we hope we finally get a good Superman. Well, people argue, man, still hope we get a Superman movie that everybody can agree on. That's really what it is, right? Nobody thinks that Superman too is a terrible film, a bad film, that Christopher Reeves is about Superman. We all agree that's one of the best superhero friends of all time. Hopefully we get that type of thing with this Superman, where he can all sit down and be like, yeah, that's a good Superman movie.

Hey, he killed the Superman. We don't have to, like, argue each week, man. Man, it still suck. Harry Cavill suck. Like, that's the kind of thing that takes so much away from, like, I don't think Harry Carver was, you know, bad. I don't think he was great, but I don't think it was terrible. The movies did him a disservice.

He wasn't about a bad Superman at all. I thought he was getting the hang of it. Yeah. The movies did him a disservice, but when, it's all sudden and done. We just want a Superman that we can all sit down and be like, yeah, that was cool. We all liked that, man. Good job.

And keep it pushing. That's really what it is, man. The last thing I'll say we can move on in this generational warfare here. I said, you know, you guys don't do yourselves any favor by shitting on Superman the movie. I just want to be honest with you guys. Like, you guys don't, you guys, when you guys act like you don't care about Christopher Reeve, you don't care about Don or Superman. You don't care about that.

It just shows me, it shows me that at the end of the day, y'all some fake-ass fandom fans. Wait, are you talking to me or are you talking to the world? I'm talking to all of y'all. I didn't say shit about Christopher Reeve or the Donner Superman. What are you talking about? Jomi is over there talking, ooh, I know blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not what I said. That is what you said.

You don't ever come at my childhood this way. You don't ever come at Chris this way. You don't come at Margo Kidder this way. You don't come at Gene Hackman this way. You don't come at Terrence Stamp this way. Okay. You don't come in anybody this way. My name is Geyar.

I'm calling with School's first credit. What is coming from school's first credit union? Oh. Jomi, the mic picked that up. Jomey, you, Jomew, you need to hold a couple dollars? Jomi, you got money about? No, that's not what happened, bro.

Oh, my God, guys. That's not what happened, bro. Are you having fun with Drake? Do you have a gambling problem? Wait, hold on for a second, guys. Uncut Jo-Me? We're about to set up. We're about to set up.

Oh, my God. Wait, guys, we're going to set up a GoFundMe, a Midnight Boys GoFundMe to help Jomey because he got Bill Collectors calling his shit. Damn, bro. Jomey. Oh, my Lord. That's not what happened at all. We're going to start a go-fund-me for Jomey.

Okay. Forget about the Saline S-S-7. For real. That's all the way down there. Jomey John. You're a bus fare, Jomey? Jomey trying to pay for his education.

Oh, my Lord. That's, uh, the credit union is calling. Not a, like the credit union, Jomey? Jomey, the credit union. That's it, that's it.

New Nicky. We're going to talk about this one. We're off to record. It's actually not a bad. Credit union, Jomey? Damn. Joe me the credit. Joe me the credit union,

King. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Jesus Christ. All right. My last question, I looked it up. I looked it up, guys. Can y'all guess how much a man is still made box office? Six.

Oh, yeah, 650? Yeah. Close. Six, six. Six, 68. All right. Nice. Not bad.

But that was 2013. I'm looking at the Batman. The Batman made $771 million. Ooh. By 2025, we did this the last time we talked about Superman. Do you think that James Gunn's Superman, can do better than 668. Because we have Aquaman and Blue Beetle.

So, like, this is an uphill battle in terms of, like, people getting really, like, tired. Well, I would argue that, like, Aquaman and Blue Beetle are going to do the same, like, flash thing where, regardless of the quality, the fact that we know that we're not,

especially, like, Aquaman, the fact that we probably won't see these characters again are probably going to happen to people's expectations of the film, then we're going to go watch it, right? I think Superman, we're going to, like, whole brand new thing. It's going to be, like, a whole brand new thing. It's going to be, like,

whole big rollout. They might even, you know, go to cinema con and tell us it's the greatest movie ever and have Tom Cruise tell us the greatest movie ever and we'll all go see it and it might be good. I think 700 is not a bad benchmark for this show. I don't know if Superman's doing 700 out the gate, you know. It needs to make a lot of money. If it comes, it needs to make a lot of money.

It needs to be. How much? to make a lot of money. But can I have a Superman it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't I mean, if it was fantastic, it can make a billion, but it doesn't, it doesn't need to make a billion. But it can't be a situation where this movie is like

really, really good, but people don't go to see it. This movie has to be. It's got to be four quadrants. Yeah. It's got to have both. Van, we talk about this all the time. How much would they spend on this movie? Like for this Superman movie?

$250, $300? $300. Really? I think you have to. They got a, they got to. This is the whole thing. Like they got to. You're betting, you're betting the whole house on this movie, in my opinion. So then it's got to make 700 then, right? Yeah. 250, 300. If even think about coming in the black, it's got to make 700 mill. 250. They probably won't spend 300. 250's for sure. For sure, they got to spend 250. I mean, they're not going to have to pay their talent a whole bunch because these people are still on their way up. So they're going to spend that money.

You know what I mean? Like you're not, you're not in, I mean, you're not in a situation where you got to give 20 to soups, 20 to, you could probably give each one of those people $3 million. You know what I'm saying? And then, I mean, maybe if they want to get saucy with it, they go get a big name for Lex. If Lex is the villain, we don't even know who the villain is. You know what I mean? So if, if, I don't know who it would be, but if they can get saucy and they can go, I don't know, it depends on how they want to go. They want to go grab fucking Matt's milk. or something, I don't know, they won't do that,

but like somebody for Lex Luthor, if they want to do something like that, then they could do it. But like, they'll spend, they'll spend that money on the rollout. Let me tell you something. This rollout for this movie, this press,

is going to be unlike anything you've ever seen. They're going to take it back to... Barbie times 10. Barbie is being surgical with theirs. They're being surgical with theirs. This is going to be a full-on assault. The toys are coming back

to McDonald's, all over social, Superman parties on each coasts. It's going to be shameless. Superman the ride weekend at fucking Magic Mountain. And you're going to be on it. You're going to be there. Superman, all kinds of

crazy shit. You know what I'm saying? Like all kinds of, you know, like Superman Pride Month stuff. All kinds of shit. You know, it's going to, it's going nuts. They're not going to let this fail. I'm saying. This is going to be. shameless. All right, that's a

that's a supersized podcast from the Midnight Boys there. Talk about Superman, super size. Follows on socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Please, guys. Please help Jomey. Y'all, we should start playing the music. What was the only music they used to do

when they wanted you to like, they like give money to like the dogs? The Sarah McLaughlin, yeah. Sarah McLaughlin joint. Here's the thing, you know. this podcast wouldn't be what it is without Jomey a dinner on, being Jomey the explainer. And when you hear about people that have spent their money in different various ways,

you hear about chains, exotic pets, you hear about diamonds, earrings. Sometimes you hear about other people. Steve. But when you hear about somebody that spit their money on their education and now the student credit union is trying to repossess their brain. That's when us

as a ringerverse community have to come together save Jomey's brain. They want his brain back because he went to college. Love you, Jomey. We love you guys. Help us. Um, Friday.

Friday. Actually, Thursday. The House of R will be giving you their deep dive on Secret Invasion episode two. Friday, Joe, Mal, and me will give you our instant reactions to Indiana Jones and the DOD. Indiana Jones and the DOD, the dial of destiny, credits. Our fantastic producer is Steve, the architect, almond. Jomi Adirondon on socials, hashtag save Jomey's credit score. It's sitting at about a 585 right now.

We can get it out. And additional productions goes from our Juno Rom Capal. Chuck take us out. Nick Fury is clapping them scroll cheeks. Our new Lois Lane can tell jokes.

And Lord, please don't tell me this man, Jomey is... Story time. The year is 2002. Van Lathen throws a party. for his best buy employee friends. Okay?

Oh, that's nice. I tell people I say, hey, don't invite a bunch of motherfuckers to my crib. It's my dad's house out there in Zachary. Invited one person and it will remain nameless. And the next thing I know, I see a bunch of niggas in my driveway and scream masks. Scream masks?

Ghost face masks? Because they were all in the same. had done a Halloween thing to where they all made like a, they had like a screen mask and they all went out. And so they came to my house like 12 niggas and they had the fucking ghost face mask on from scream. And I look outside and this thing always happens with me

to where I think I'm hallucinating. Because I had had some drinks and I'm like, yo, that's it. I'm looking. And it became an issue. I didn't know what was going on. And then motherfuckers thought it was funny. I'm like, why would you do this? Did you have to grab the bliki?

Were you just like, all right, yeah, this might get me. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't have to grab the blicky. Lathen Sr. was there. Oh, no. Lathen Sr. was there. Do you think a man born in 1955 seeing a bunch of young African-American males

with Ghostface Mask on in his driveway, tank top some of them had no shirts on yo man we had the party uh-uh uh-uh hell no hell no that's like hell no but mr lathen is me let no i don't get no nah get off my shit you know what van wrap this shit up fucked up the whole party and that's what tallos did fucked up the whole party