The Ringer-Verse - 'Secret Invasion' Finale Reactions and "Barbenheimer" Weekend | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

The Invasion is complete and it is time for the Midnight Boys to give their final thoughts on the finale of 'Secret Invasion' (08:31). They ponder where this leaves the rest of the MCU and what they hope comes after. Later, they recap their "Barbenheimer" weekend and give thoughts on the two biggest movies of the year (56:56). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Steve Ahlman, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Alman, the builder of things we are. Jomey the explainer at Dideron, you've got questions, he's got answers, we are. Old Man Van, he of the receding resurgent hairline, we are. Co-baby Chuck, 24-carried closer, aka the brunch high

together, we are known as of the midnight boys. You know, follows on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. X. It's his ex, Jomey? Jomey, what's going on with your guy? Is it my guy?

No, see, here's the thing, right? I could sit here for 30 minutes and go off on our boy, Elon. But I'm just going to, I got something. I got a bono pick real quick. If you guys would indulge me for a second. Normally, I don't like to get into like the comments and the stuff that people say. But there's one that I just, I just got to get off my chest real quick. All right. Talk your shit, Joe.

Go for it. I'm not going at the. person. I'm gonna let them stew in amenity. But I'm gonna read what they said. What the word for word, bar for baseball? Aminity. What did you just say? Hold on, hold on.

Before you get your shit off. I'm so glad you caught that. Before you get your shit off, bro. You're gonna let them stew in the Anonyville horror? No, you can go look it up. Aminity. There's got a name on here. Are you saying anonymity?

Sure. Okay, okay. All right, Mr. Van Laten. Let the student talk. God, damn. I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna read it. Word for word, bar for bar.

Jomey and Steve are on mic too much. The show was about Chuck, Shack and Chuck, not Kenny and Ernie. Now Kenny and Ernie are trying to match energy of the calcium, Shaq and Chuck. It doesn't work. Listen, my brother in Christ, not only do you not understand the Midnight Boys. You clearly don't understand NBHen TNT at all. Okay? And look, you don't have any immediate literacy.

It's not your fault. Okay, I blame George Bush. No child left behind, got a lot of. of people most up. Okay? It's not your fault. Do better. Be better.

All right. None of this, you know, you clearly don't understand how this stuff works. It's all right. Okay. Again, it's not your fault that you was,

you know, not, they should have, you probably should still be in high school right now. But it's, it's not your fault. We blame Georgia Bush. We'll keep it pushing.

I like this energy. You need no. That's how I feel. That's how this week got me feel, man. I like it too. I'll say something else. I'll say something else to add on to what Jomey is saying. And

I'll be slightly serious. Okay, here's the deal. On the Reddit, you guys have the right to say whatever you want. You guys are watchers of the show. You guys support us. You guys criticize us. You guys are a part of the

community. I will say this. We don't give a fuck just like that. The four guys that are on this screen that I'm working at right now are a large part of why I enjoy my job at the ringer so much. The camaraderie and the connection and what we've been able to create on this together, the four of us, is one of the things I look forward to in my week the most.

If we could do a three-hour podcast with everybody talking equally, I would love to do it. Okay. I want everyone to know that I am not at all discouraging anyone having any opinions on the Reddit or on Facebook or Twitter or anything like that. Far to the contrary. Far to the contrary. Vand sucks. I don't like his takes.

Charles is a hater. Let it cook. Like, do your whole thing. It's all fine. All of the stuff. Vans wishy-washy, flip-flop. He didn't like Spider-Verse. Let it fly.

Let it fly. I'm with it. Let it fly. But when you are mean-spirited, and you come at the boys, you're talking it to the abyss. You're doing it. I mean,

we don't fucking care. And if it's anything that fractures this bond, I don't, I'm not even, who fucking gives a shit? All you're going to get is downvoted.

So go for it. All right, but like, if you come in my little bros, you're not going to have a friend of it. So I don't take that as a big up to me. I don't think Chuck takes that as a big up to him. Oh,

people do not realize. Yeah. The reason I keep, going up and doing the shit is because I want to talk to the three of y'all because nah, nigga, you're getting hate. You know what I'm saying? Hey, shout out to the Reddit, 5K strong, but like, like, normally you let the slide, but like, you clearly don't understand how this thing works.

On this, I just want to say this to y'all from the bottom of my heart, to my Black Kings and also Steve, you are Knaf. You are Keneff, all right? Enough. Enough, thank you. I'm just kidding. We're gonna, we're all riding here together on fake horses. and that was so hilarious when they were running in there

and the fake horses. I love you guys. By the way, we also love the Reddit. That one just got us on our feelings. It's okay. Talk your shit. Don't change. That one just got us in our feelings a little bit, a little bit.

Don't try to fucking Beatles us, you bunch of Yoko Onos. All right. Okay. On Thursday, Jessica Clemens, shout out to Jessica. We'll have a new breakdown on the Gen 5 trailer. and oh, Gen 5. Oh, that's, oh, that's the point. Gen V.

I'm sorry. Leave it in. I forgot. Gen Vee Trigger. I'm excited about that. Gen Vee is a wild title, the more I say it. Like, when you say it out loud and you look at you like, weird title. This is essentially they are in college and they're going into work for Vought, right?

They're VOT's young teams. This is Vought Teen Titans essentially, right? Yeah. You don't like, you don't like the. Little spunky sidekicks, man. You're not a fan. I expect this to be a lot less plucky because it's the boys. If it's, the, the, I've always wondered why you guys like to watch a team of like 17 year old superheroes.

I've never been into it. You like the X-Men, don't you? You like reading the X-Men, right? Yeah, I like reading X-Men. Where are the X-Men? What did they start at? Where are the X-Men? They're fucking high schoolers.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the X-Men started as the top level. of what they were doing. And by the way, by the time I started reading the X-Men. Not all of them, Kitty Pride? By the time, I'm not fucking aware. Like, what are we talking about? By the time I started fucking with the X-Men, by the time I started fucking with the X-Men,

that was grown. That's the point thing. Number two, the New Mutants, true, but then they turned into X-Force, fucking cable, and where it was into New Mutants. So, okay, let's be honest. Okay, all right, let's move on. Friday, over the weekend,

she'll have an Easter egg breakdown of the Secret Invite. finale. On Friday, the House of R is giving you their deep dive into the secret invasion finale. Good luck. On Tuesday, Min Edition is back to give you their reactions to season three, part two of the Witcher. Now, is Henry Cavill in The Witcher at this point, or is it a... He is, this is his final season, this is his last hurrah as Geryl. Man, tough. Tough. Tough. That's what happens when you trust certain people. They cost you a job. Hey, come back at Superman.

Hey, get away a Superman. Hey, now you don't have the Witcher. Now who are you? You're back to being here. He's Warhammer, man. You have a Warhammer guy. Shout out to him. On today's show, we're giving you our reactions to the season finale of Secret Invasion.

We're also going to talk about an ultimate episode of Secretive. Shut the fuck up, Charles. I'm sorry. Dog, there's coffee on my walls and on my computer right now. This is your one. Yeah. You know what? It's already going off the rails.

Let's just do a podcast. Okay. Let's just do a podcast. Okay. Steve, could you give a spoiler warning, please? Yes, sir. We're getting ready to talk about Secret Invasion.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. to begin our reactions, we always have to put you guys into the need to know. There's only one way to do that. That is with The Midnight Manifest. Charles, take it away. All right, and this is The Midnight Manifest for the last two episodes of Secret Invasion,

Harvest and Home, directed by Ali Salim. Bravick kills a small group of Skrall dissenters who are starting to question his methods and resolve. Fury gets the president to a hospital, but is outmaneuvered by Skrall Rode. After teaming up with Gaia, she reveals Sifuri that Gravick's ultimate role is to use Harvest to empower himself. and scrolls. You might be asking yourself, what is harvest? Well, it's superhuman DNA that Fury stole during the Battle of Earth. Giri gives Gavik harvest at Uscrollos and begs him to use the power

to conquer another planet besides Earth. Gavik laughs, uses the harvest, but doesn't realize that Gaya was impersonating Fury all along and now has the same powers that he does. A typical CGI fight unfolds, Gaya wins. Fury saves the President Ritson from Squirrel Rody, but in doing so leads Ritson on a path to introducing a new bill that declares all off-world species as a threat. for going back to Sabre, Fury tells Vara, aka Priscilla, his wife, that the Cree aren't interested in peace negotiations, and he'd like her to be the diplomat thanks to her skill. The spy and alien traveled to Sabre to live happily ever after until the Marloples releases in theaters on November 10th, and that has been your secret invasion, Midnight Manifest. So I'm going to flip this a little bit. Charles made this document, and he had the instant reactions to the show first to the season finale.

Now, also, we did not cover the Penelter. made episode either. So there's going to be a little talk about that as we talk about the season finale. But I'm going to flip the order here a little bit. We have instant reactions first in the order, and we have positivity corner second. We're going to lead with love on this today. We're going to start with positivity corner. Okay. And there is no tapping out. There's no tapping out. What? You can't tap out. Okay. You can't tap out. Charles What did you enjoy about either the penultimate or the season finale of Secret Invasion? When it was over.

I'm sorry. No, no. Come on. Guys, I'm trying to think. I am trying to think. Come back to me. Teacher, come back to me. No, no.

I can't, like, guys, did you just come back to me? Okay, fine. I'll go. I very much enjoyed the performance of Kingsley, We've been a deer. in the finale. I thought he really found his voice with the villain. I don't know why this is the case. He just acted circles around everybody else that was in the show.

I don't, I, this show, I thought this was a really great performance from Don Chittal as well, being a little snarky, scroll version of himself. Don is always good, full disclosure, a friend of mine. So whatever. Fuck you guys. But I thought he was legitimately goodness. I thought Olivia Coleman, whenever she was on the screen, was good. There are some performances here in the show that are good. And I thought in the finale specifically, the intensity of Kinsley Benadiers Gravick is what made it borderline watchable.

and so I would say that if I was going to point to a positive, I liked Gravick's character. I enjoyed Gravick's character. Joni, Steve, what's up? Agreed with Kingsley Bennett here. You kind of remind me of those later X-Men movies where Michael Fasbender would come in and just act circles around everybody.

And then you'd just be like, man, Fasbender was great. What about everybody else? man. Another thing, positive recording, Olivia Coleman, man, was great. All six, or I think five episodes she was in. She was really, really good being, you know, light and, you know, a little, a little different to Nick in terms of what they want the same

goal while Nick was, like, down to the dumps. She was, like, the most cheery assassin you'd ever meet, you know, so I thought that was great. That's all I got, man. It's tough. Positiveity corner. Positiveity corner. Piggy back from you, Jomey, agree a thousand percent on Kingsley Bend Deer, wildly carrying

this show. Olivia Coleman is well. Fun and everything that we saw her in. If I want to kind of backtrack a tiny bit to the series as a whole, now that we're like going to be talking about more or less the finale and the series as a whole, I also really did still enjoy Ben Mendelso in this Talos. Talos. And he was like a great presence.

It sucks that he's. gone, but it's very interesting to see a lot of the high caliber talent that has been brought onto this project really elevate what was a show that we were ultimately not the highest on. Positiveity corner. When I get to see a lot of like how well this show was shot on occasion, there are occasionally very striking images that I really enjoyed from this show. I really, really, really just dug a lot of the gravitas

that Kingsley Beneddiar pulled from this. I think that he is the standout of this show and I wish that he might have been in the MCU for longer because he could have been somebody really great. But instead, he's positivity corner. I had to call myself out to as I was giving my positives. I sometimes straight away from positivity corner myself.

So I must call myself out as well. I have one. I do have one. My favorite part of these last two episodes is when Amelia Clark was like up in like Nick Fury's wife's house and she like turns to Priscilla and she's just like,

but did he love you in your real skin? And Priscilla turns to him and just like, white woman, shut up. What do you know about black love? And then like at the end, she like, and she turns into the alien. And they kiss.

I was just. Like, I'm rocking with this. You're fucking with it. I was fucking with the heavy. You're an asshole, bro. Dog, like, if you are going to show me a show that is on Disney Plus that features Samuel Jackson having like a fucking existential crisis on whether he should like hit it from the back when his like alien wife is green.

Like that's a very, so. That's a transgression. Okay. That's a transgression. Wait a minute. Oh, wait a minute. That's a transgression. That's a transgression.

We got, come on. Charles, that's an obvious transgression. The transgressions are back this week, by the way. Mark one down for, whoever out there is keeping track of the transgressions, please mark one down for Charles. It's an obvious transgression. It's an obvious transgression.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what part of that was a lie? What part of it was a lie? I mean, the assumption that you know how they get down their sexual position, now that might be what you do, Charles, and that might be what you have done. Instant reactions. Well, before I say anything, I will go last.

I need y'all to stand on your word. Okay? No, no, no, no, no. I need you all to stand on your word, okay? I need the reality of the situation to be just as loud as the protest. Okay, can I say something here? Say something real quick, not to cut you off.

This is the only, issue that I have with you. I don't have any issue with your takes. You're just too happy. You have issues with all of my takes. No, I have issues with your takes like materially. I have issues with them. Like, sometimes

I don't agree with them. But why are you so gleeful that we're so down? Like, you're a sadist. Like, the only problem I actually have, I don't have any problem with Charles like stuff. Charles has a high brow for art. I cover stuff with Charles all time that he likes

very much. And we get a chance to talk about stuff. So I'm not as subjected to Charles hates everything as you guys are. But it's a bummer that the show didn't land

and you like it. Why? Because it happens every single time and y'all do the same thing every time. It's like, it's like Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner.

It's just like, dog, I'll be like, man, I don't know if this show is all that. And y'all be like, damn, you really a hater. Do you even love the MCU like that? fake fan, like you really ain't at that late. And then we get to episode five and six and y'all, like you come in looking like Charlie Brown. Like the football just got stolen and you're like, oh man, the MCU did it again.

That's a fair point, except for the fact that as people who love the stuff, you go in hoping that it's good and looking at the good parts of it. And then when they rip your heart out, you have to tell the truth. It's like if you meet somebody and you go in with all the hurt and all the pain of your lost loves, you're never going to be able to have the full experience, Charles. So let me ask you this. How long have y'all been dating the MCU? Let's be clear. How long have y'all been in this long-term relationship?

Since 2008. And it's been more good than it's been bad, though. How long has it been bad? But how long has it been bad, though? Can I tell you something about relationships also? This last thing I'll say before I get to this. I want to let everybody know something about relationships. Somebody who's been around for a while relationship.

This is a great way to critique Secret Invasion. I will just let you know that. I'll just say this. I got some stuff to say about secret invasion. When you are in a relationship with someone, a long-term relationship, there's a thought that you are in love with that person every single second of every single day,

that you're always in love with them. That's actually not true. you always love them and the bond that you form with them is what keeps you together with them. However, even within a long-term relationship, you fall in and out of love. There are points when you are not as crazily in love with the person that you are with. and the only thing that keeps you in the relationship, which is the most important thing about the relationship, is the bond and the structure and the relationship that you've been.

The only reason why I use that way too fucking deep analogy for the Midnight Boys is because that's kind of where I'm at with Marvel. Where I'm at with Marvel right now is I'm not in love with the content right now. I'm not in love with the content. You see the fat ass on Barbenheimer and you're wondering why you keep putting in all this time? I understand.

I'm not in love. I cheated with Barbenheimer. I'm not in love with the content. I'm not. But what I read when I was a kid, all of the stuff, all the hours that I put in as a child, and then all of the quality content

that the MCU has given me over the years makes me continue to be loyal and invested into the MCU and what it could be. Having said that, having said that, this is the single most embarrassing moment in the MCU's history. Without a doubt. Whoa.

This is not true. Not enough people have watched this show and know it exists for this to be the most embarrassing. I'm talking about quality-wise. Okay. The finale of Secret Invasion was laughable. It was a Saturday Night Live sketch. It was unsurious. It didn't make a lot of sense.

It left gigantic questions. It didn't really. It wasn't built on anything. It didn't really set up anything. Nothing is answered. Nothing is, no questions really matter. It is the perfect example of a why was it made show. Why was this show made?

What was the point of secret invasion? Secret invasion didn't tie up any relevant storylines. Secret invasion didn't really start any relevant storylines. and invented characters that it hoped that we cared about, then did nothing to make us care about those characters. It wasn't the worst thing that you can watch. There were episodes of Secret Invasion that I watched. I'm like, the show is pretty good.

It's okay. There's nothing. It's not a bad way to spend 38 minutes. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that it's, but I'm saying when you take the totality of the show and you include the finale, the finale, which is not even fucking Kalika-like.

like just a bunch of ridiculous bullshit thrown on the screen decisions that don't make any sense outcomes that just come out of nowhere I was offended I'm serious like I was I was I was I was offended I was offended at the fact that it didn't look like they were trying and that's like the first time I've really ever felt like that I done. Man, I opened the episode 12 in night, you know. I rock with the midnight moniker, you know, and I seen the runtime. That bad sign already. And I was like,

I was like, I was happy. I'm not serious. I know my 38 minutes. I'm like, all right, we, this is going to be laughable. Like, this is a joke. Like, we're like. It was, yeah. And you watch the episode and the moment where I think it lost me. I'm interested to see where this was for you guys, but. the super scrolls are fighting

and I think I think it's Gravick like his hand turns in Ebony Ma and then he flicks like some stuff the debris at Guy and I was like yeah I ought to be laughed

that's not supposed to be funny but I laughed in my house it was the mantis antenna for me the mantis antenna part for me was the moment I was like okay this they lost they lost it felt worse than that

because they're playing their own hits and it's just covers of their own hits. And I know that this is the power set of a Super Scroll. It's the thing that Super Scrolls do is to mimic powers and to mimic things that are supposed to be powerful about them, but that's easily why they can be defeated in most scenarios.

It's a perfect metaphor for this show. It's mimicking what we think we want. It's mimicking what we think those great MCU beats should be. I knew that, like, if I genuinely couldn't imagine how we could get a Super Scroll Punch Fest until we got the Super Scroll Punch Fest. And God, was I just tired? I was just so exhausted. I'll tell you what, it's a good thing that that was a guy and not Samuel Jackson.

Sure. Because they trick you for a second. They think of Samuel Lowe. I was like, I'm not doing this guy. Like, I'm just not. That's actually Samuel L. That's not. I mean, it is also very funny that this big plot to destroy the world is overturned because

Gravick, this girl that we're supposed to think is like super smart gets tricked into thinking somebody's Nick Fury when they're not. And I was just like, this is a metaphor for the show where y'all just didn't, what? Y'all didn't think this out, like, at all? What, he's, so she's in there, she's Nick Fury. She's coughing. Gravick is, that's the thing. And then all of a sudden she's Carol Danvers.

Do you understand how that changes the entire Marvel universe? Do you have no, how many people on Twitter are just like, guys the most powerful person then? No, no, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, she is.

No. That's no, first of all, fuck it. Fuck it. There's no, there is no doubt about it. if she can do everything that the show, show that she can do, she is most certainly the most powerful person in the MCU. How could she not be? Danvers already basically is, if we're talking about the heroes,

I mean, you can make an argument for Thor or some other people, but it seems pretty clear that she is. And if she fucking flew and went and almost went binary. Yeah, she was like going to use those powers in five seconds. I'm like, yo, what are we doing? She was watching film. No, she was watching film. She was grinding tape.

Like, like tape from the 90s? She was watching Captain Marvel on Disney Plus. She seen the movie. She's just like she was grinding Disney Plus tape. How does she know what all these? How does she know what Metsis can do? How can she know like all these? Obviously she watched Garden to the Galaxy 2.

Well, I mean, somebody watched it. Well, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. She has been close to Fury. So it's not hard to, it's not hard to. it's not hard to believe that she would know who all of these people are. She doesn't know she's from shore. There's no,

there's no conceivable ways she know. Mantis was there in the Battle of New York. So when they harvested all of this stuff, I'm sure that Fury's agents that would have gone out there or the scrolls that were working with Fury would have an idea. I'm sure Gaia knows who Manx. You sound like me right now, bro. I know.

I'm just being, I'm being, I'm being serious. That's a big jump in logic being like. Wait, so Gaia doesn't know who man. She was working for Nick She knows the powers of Mantis Tracks, the Hulk, all these people, I'm just like, how do you know all these powers? Like, you were there? I'm not saying she would know how to use them. What I'm saying is I'm sure she knows who they are. The fact of the matter is, let me get back to, and maybe I'm wrong about that.

Fuck Van Lathen. How about that? He's on mic too much. So let's go back to this. I want a fucking consensus. from the Midnight Boys. Gaia is easily the most powerful person in the MCU. And I don't want anyone.

If not, then she shot up the power. She has, hold on. She has to get pissed off. How could she not be? She can, all the powers,

all the Avengers, all the Avengers. All the Avengers. This is my nerd. There is like my nerd hat and there's my non-nerd hat. My non-nerd hat is like, it doesn't fucking matter.

We're never going to see Guy again, probably. Like, it's just like, you know, is somebody walking around with all the powers of, do you understand what a stupid decision that is? Where is she going to show up? Maybe in the Marvels, but you're telling me we're getting the second season of this.

No, no, no, no. I think that Gaia will be added to the Avengers or she will have to be depowered. Or she will be, she have to be depowered at some point in the future. Yeah. Do you understand what a huge, what a huge, what a huge plot thread it is to have one being not on the planet

in the universe who can read your mind like Mantis who has the power of Carol Danvers who can do Groot shit the whole power the Hulk she probably can do this all day if I'm being honest she's got that in her

I read like Winter Soldier like fucking in the list of everything she had I will say this is she more powerful than Scarlet Witch or Dr. Strange? Scarlet Witch is dead.

So it doesn't even matter. Scarlet Witch is dead. D-E-D. dead. Until we see her back, she gone. If she was on the planet, then might, maybe not. Dr. Strange, I don't know, maybe Gaia knows how to do magic now.

God, I'm still so mad about Scarlet Witch. Now that you just mentioned that, I completely forgot. Right. So look, you know, as I'm watching this, there was one point where Gravick turns into himself, his scroll self, and he looked kind of cool because obviously they used the leftover budget at first, and then I'm like, what's going to happen here? Are we going to get a big, nasty, disgusting scroll fight? Because I don't want that. And we did. And then it got worse because one of the scrolls has taken the harvest. And that means that they can do everything. I'm not even sure. how harvesting the DNA of Carol Danvers would give you her powers.

I don't think that it would. I don't even think that that's a thing. I don't even know how that would be. You know what I mean? Are they changing their DNA on a molecular level? Because that was the thing I was wondering about where I'm just like, the Hulk got his powers

from the gamma radiation. So are scrolls just essentially turning into the Hulk with all of his abilities? Because that makes no fucking sense. You feel me? Part of the scroll thing is you can transform, right? So you have that, part of that DNA is interlaced in you. So you can now, like, you know, change your arm or your chest or whatever it takes to inhabit that power, you know, temporarily.

You know what I mean? It's not like a set thing. But that would mean that every single power that they have has to be a DNA power and not like a power that you just like, Mantis. Is that is Mantis's power or DNA-based power? Or does she just like affect emotions? Oh, Mantis is the daughter of Celestius. So that's why she has powers. But like, say if you were to take Steve Rogers' powers,

via DNA, you'd just be a normal human being because what he got was the Super Soldier Serum. What you need is Super Soldier Serum is. In his blood. His blood now. It's in his blood, not his DNA. See, I don't know, science. Here's the deal.

So, I mean, but they have blood. They have blood samples. Yeah, but like steroids is not in your DNA. That's what I'm saying. Right. Here's my thing. There's comic precedents for some of this in some ways. You know, we saw in secret invasion these characters able to mimic the powers of the Avengers.

That was the Trump card that came along. That was the thing that was really the turning point in that when they became, A, undetectable, when you couldn't detect them when Wolvey couldn't sniff them out, the Daredevil couldn't tell, or whoever couldn't tell. That was one thing. And then another thing, when they actually commit

at the power of the ventures. It's not like this was unheard of. I'm saying specifically here in the MCU where the power scaling is different than it is in the comics. It's a huge, huge, huge deal. Well, I got you,

Van. So I got the list of the people that the harvest DNA connected DNA from. So this is all the powers that they got. They got Ghost. Didn't know she was there. Captain America, Corvus Glave, Thanos, and Outrider, Proxima Midnight, Captain Ravel, The Abomination, Mantis, Cullopsidian, Drax, Corg, Ebony Ma, the Frostbeast, Hulk, Tatar, Valkary, Thore, Grona, and the Winter Soldier. That's absurd.

That's insane. Guys. What if this matters, guys. None of this. No, they're never going to reference. But it should. It's the problem. It should.

I agree. It should, but watching it, I was just like, yes, you could, like, this is an idea that you have that's like a very, like, yo, it would be so cool if we made a Super Scroll that was this strong. And because it does not land at all, after watching it, I'm just like, this will never be referenced. Charles, I bet you right now, I bet you $2,000 they reference this again. They can't just leave this, bro. No. Is there a chance that, is there a chance that, like, Gaia comes back? Yes.

do I think that in a movie they're going to be like all right guys these are the super scrolls and they have these 20,000 power like no I'm not saying that I'm saying that this character that was introduced in this way the actress that plays this character and her I'm sorry to cut you off Steve you don't you're on mic too much and her her career her gravitas in Hollywood her stature in Hollywood she's will pop up again. I agree. And if she's not, if she doesn't pop up, I'm going to be wondering, where's Gaia just to fix everything? My past, Steve, go ahead. I mean, and here's the thing,

because we're acting like this isn't still a universe where there's a giant celestial hand in the ocean that nobody else has talked about. We're acting like this isn't a universe where now we have this uber powerful scroll walking around seemingly doing whatever the fuck. We might not have the gumption to actually like fold it into whatever is actually going to happen whenever the next Avengers movie happens, which will be, you know, infinite years away. But my question would, like, has there been like a moment when you're reading comics where like the narrative kind of breaks itself and you just have to like kind of wait to have some sort of story reset something and like lower and depower and recalibrate pretty much everything that we're doing? Because I feel like

we're kind of eating ourselves with the things that the MCU wants to try to do and what it can successfully do. Continuity is killing the MCU. If I'm going to be real, like a lot of things are killing the MCU. But the fact that they have to keep, like, to Vans' earlier point, I was watching this and being like, who wanted to create this? Like, why does this exist in terms of like, what's the emotional entry point to this story? Because it didn't feel like the creatives were that interested in Nick Fury, but they also weren't that interested in the scrolls either.

So I left the whole thing, and this is nothing against the creatives being like, besides needing stuff to put on Disney Plus, what were they trying to say about anything? What was the point? Because if we think about what happens in the beginning of this and the end of this, the scrolls still have no home.

Nick comes down from Sabre, and he goes back up to Sabre, and that's about it. That's it. Nothing changed. That's it. Like Nick is where he was when we first saw him. And you could have made the Marvels starting from that point.

You could have made this, this is sequel to the Marvels. Nick Fury's character isn't changed at all. He put down a scroll rebellion. Did he? Because what he really created was a more powerful scroll than ever before. who, if radicalized, could be an infinitely more problematic asset than Gravick was. And she's now working for one of the largest fucking spy organizations in the...

Like, why would Nick being like, yes, it totally makes sense for this super powerful scrawl to be working for, like, one country? Like, I don't understand that. Also, Gaia, if I'm Gaia, why would she do that? It makes no sense. All the day was cost her appearance and everyone.

And they never got a home. Fury lied. Fury's character took some dings in this in this whole thing. I'm not going to lie. But he does get to be with Priscilla at the end. Rava, they get to be together. No, man.

I got to be honest with you, man. I was fond of sleep at the end there. I'm sorry. You know, I love Black Love. You know, I know they really gave it a shot here. That whole storyline sucked. Like, I just got to be like, give it a buck, 50 with you all, man. Like, looking back at it, I'm watching the end.

And I'm like, guys, I got to be honest. I don't care. I do not care. Like, congratulations. I'm really happy for y'all or I'm sad that happened. I ain't reading all that. like you know what I mean like it's just I don't know

it just feels tacked on and uh when Samuel Jackson kisses Priscilla at the end I started left through that through that fake beard the fake beard look rough did you see the teeth on Vara huge teeth like they got some

you got some chomper's man um I don't know if that's Joe I don't know man when he kissed her I was like I don't know man your tongue might take a little couple slices she gave him the ice man thing from Top Gun just I don't know why I felt like a transgression Like Steve If you guys

You guys would have had to be on That was so disturbing That was not You would have to be on video for you guys to see that Steve doing his little Army Hammer move right there That was Steve Army Hammer Allman Like I that was

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to have been good, being that the Nick and Priscilla relationship was such an integral part of it, and it didn't work, was introducing her as a love interest part of the thing that killed the overall experience of secret invasion? No, but I think it's like a symptom of a larger ill, where I do think that Nick Fury falling in love with an alien spy and having feelings

an existential crisis about that is a good idea in the same way that I think just secret invasion in general if you look at the log line of like we're going to have Samuel L. Jackson fighting a bunch of aliens that can disguise

and can be anyone that works. All of these things work together but you have to pick one I think and then you have to really lean into it and you have to ask all the questions and you're like, you have to think, what is the emotion behind this?

What am I trying to say about this character, about humanity, about art, themes, anything? And I just didn't get that. Like, what, I'll ask you this, Van, what about their love interest taught you anything new about the human experience or even was just entertaining? I didn't even believe the relationship.

Was there anything about it that was like, oh yeah, I'm learning something new or experiencing an emotion I haven't felt in a while. So it's a good question and it's a good criticism. I think about the relationship to me that's the most meaningful in the MCU. And that to me is Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. And the reason why it's meaningful is because of the same reason why relationships are meaningful here on the real earth. Loss, promise, desperation, connection. When she saw Steve at his weakest, right, and there was still something in him that was different.

She latched on to it. He obviously looked at her like we did, Mission Impossible, and said there's something special there as well. Okay? And then she's brave. She is capable. She's dedicated. She's strong.

She's principal. All of these things he falls in love with. And she falls in love with the same things before and after. Then these two people are ripped away from one another. And they have to wonder what their futures would have been, how things could have been different, if they're ever going to get that last dance. And because they wonder, we wonder.

And then we watch her pass away. And so people that we didn't even really get to see achieve the love, we still feel it because those feelings of loss, desperation, longing, and all of those things exist in us. And we've had that feeling before, at least for me. This relationship between Nick and Priscilla was, to your point, the problem with secret invasion. is because they told us all of those things and they didn't show it to us. They didn't show us why this relationship was so important. They didn't show us why it was so meaningful.

They didn't show us what he saw in her. They didn't show us what she saw in him. They didn't show us anything. There really was no love story. We were commanded to believe that these two people had a connection and that this connection mattered. The writer said, hey, we're writing it, so you'll believe it. The writer said, hey, we're writing that fury is broke down. and a shell of his former self, so believe it.

All of that stuff, right? And at the end, when she turns into, until she shows her true skin and gets on there. She turns into a Kermit, yeah? Yeah, there's supposed to be some relief. There's supposed to be some relief that they could be together in their true forms, but there's not. It's like there's not any relief.

The relief was that the show was ending. there's not any relief at all. It's just poorly done. And it's an interesting choice given that there was no backstory to Nick having a relationship or even being built that way besides one line in Captain America, Winter Soldier. There was no backstory to that. There was the craft that you would put that into, even into a comic book, just wasn't there. and this is kind of the first show, if I'm being honest, where I felt like they were either hamstrung or lazy.

So we can I ask that? Can we stay on that point? Because I want to ask everybody this. If we're being like nice, because I do want to be clear, I don't think any of the directors or writers or Samuel Jackson or Don Chito or any of them, like set out to make up. Not great show. Of course not.

But is there a version of this show that could have worked in the current MCU and with the limitations of like, we know what the secret invasion story promises? If we don't get scrolls turning into like the heroes and villains that we know, it's going to feel a little deflating in the same way that like I already see people mad. They're like, wait, roadie has been a scroll since Civil War or since after Civil War. That takes away all of the, any leftover caring about that character. Because so much of what happens to him now, you're just like, all right, that wasn't him. So can you even make this show well, knowing how hamstrung you are by a bunch of different business decisions, creative decisions?

There's no way we were going to get Scarlett Johansson or like Robert Downey Jr. as Scrole. We just weren't. The answer is no. that's why it's a poor narrative choice to do the show. The answer is no. Comic books are comic books because they have absolutely zero limitation and any writer can come back and say that last thing didn't happen.

Superman's dead, no he's not. Xavier's dead, no, he's not. You're not paying for the CGI, the explosions, the actors. No. Writer, penciler, inker. Right? So they're not, they're, you can do whatever you want. And that's why some of these stories, when they're adapted for the MCU, we see skeletons of them.

And normally it works. It worked in Civil War. Like Civil War is not as bombastic as the comic book, but it still had the spirit of the comic book. It worked in Infinity War. We understand what the central focus of it is. We get, hey, the superheroes are against each other for some reason. cool. Hey, we get everybody against Thanos because he wants to kill half the universe. Cool. Here, the central thing, you can't do it.

Like, you can't do it. I don't give a fuck if the guy on Fox is a scroll. I don't care. When they gunned him down on air, it was crazy. Dude, that was nuts. That was insane. But I don't, I don't care if that guy's a scroll. Midboys, what you guys got? Yes, of course, on paper, all of these things can work. and given the overall, I guess, track record of the MCU it should, I think that ultimately

were left with like a waste of time and talent because all of the things that I wanted to love about the show, I couldn't. And all of the things that were proposed to us in this show never mattered. And while we can chalk this up to, you know, Marvel coming to a bit of a fork in the road with how it wants to present all of these things to us in the future or if it's just getting too long in the tooth. We really got to examine like what slowing down or reassessing what we want to do with all of this.

Because like you said, like coming from stories that are limitless and quickly realizing their limitations, you know, nearly 20 years now on of cultural dominance. Where are we left with here? Damn. Jome, Jomey, stop. Shut the fuck up, Charles. You're enjoying this. That's the thing that I'm pissed off about. I'm pissed off that you're liking this.

Why would you like this? Because, why are you geek? There is one thing that sticks in your boys, craw. I just can't stand with everybody's like, yo, Charles, you being a hater, bro. How are you hating on the first second episode? I'm like, dog, how long have you been doing this? We've been doing this for over two years, bro.

I know what some shit stinks. Like I have a spidey sense. I'm cursed. I wish I wasn't. Like I wish I could just watch this and be like, the possibilities are endless. But after that first, second episode, I'm like, man, we, come on, man.

Like the math thing, how come your spikisense didn't go off in fucking Venom let there be carnage? How come there? Because it's a great movie. Dope. It was a joke. Don't believe that.

Don't believe. Because there's the thing. I was telling you. Because they got them internets. Bad journalism. And Eddie Brock be fucking. Bad journalism. You know what I'm saying?

They wasn't doing enough fucking in secret invasion. If they, like, committed to the bit, bro. If they committed to the bit. It's a transgression. Way too horny. What? No, not. They were the one.

Can I pitch this to you? A way that secret innovation could have potentially worked. This is bad criticism. I don't care. This is the Midnight Boys. Is there a version of this where you just make secret invasion the movie? And instead of like having to get like a Hawkeye show. and a Black Widow show

and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. You're like, we're going to take all of our heroes that are essentially the spy-adjacent shield. It's going to be secret invasion. Some of these people are going to be scrolls. And like doing the big two-hour movie version of this instead of like the drawn out six episodes. Because like now I'm thinking about it,

all these stories, whether it's Black Widow, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Secret Invasion, all keep saying the same. thing about being a spy in the MCU. And I'm just like, you could, this could all just been. All of them are about displacement. All of it is about, like, people who were gone after the snap,

come back, have an axe to grind. Oh my God, terrorists are bad. They want to destroy something. And then our hero is just like, we have to work together. Could Secret Invasion have worked if they were just like, yeah, all y'all spy motherfuckers just need to get together? I don't know. I kind of feel like the show,

speaking of the limitations, the show could have worked in a format, I think, where it's Nick Fioran Talos, taking down government officials, high-power government officials that are scrolls, right? Nick Ferry comes back is like, oh, man, we got all these dudes and all these places of government. We can't really let that slide because, because for whatever, whatever graphic reason is, like, bet, let's go one by one. Let's take these folks down. we don't really need, you know, we don't have like a, what's his name, a roadie to take over or something like that. You know, you just keep it real clandestine.

But we'd still be bitching that nobody, that nobody that mattered was a scroll. That's like the central problem is that if nobody who matters in the MCU is a scroll, like you can forget about this. Like my next question for y'all was like, the track record of this corner of the MCU, if we start with Captain Marvel,

it's Captain Marvel, Wanda Vision, kind of, because of Monica. Then we have Miss Marvel, and now we have Secret Invasion, and then we're going to have the Marvels. Narratively, is this corner of the MCU working? You're talking about the cosmic Captain Marvel branch of the tree?

Yeah, not Guardians of the Galaxy. This cosmic, like, cre... Space. Scrolls, all... Like, to me, it's not. Danvers thing. Yeah. No.

By the way, another thing, we're just going to negotiate a peace thing with this Cree. Okay, well, that's cool. We just figured that out.

Yeah. Great. Like, why didn't Chown diggers? Why didn't y'all diggers do that? You know what I'm saying? That's the one, right?

You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's like, okay, yeah, we're just going to go figure it out with the Cree. I'm like, all right, bro,

cool. I mean, that seems like a very, that's an awesome way to fix the problem, man. That was the moment where I'm like, this could have been an email the show. Where once they said that, I'm like, dog, why did we watch this whole show if, like, the creed just pulled up?

And, like, that's my thing. That's so lazy that is like, now y'all taking my love for granted. Y'all just fucking with me now. I was like, oh, I think we're going to be able to fix it with the cre. Okay, we'll go. I mean, I guess we didn't have to do all of this shit. It fixed it with the creed, maybe whatever. No, it's not really working.

I mean, WandaVision was a revelation. Love that show. Here's the thing. I think the Monica parts of Wanda Vision felt tacked on where like... Monica was a small part of Wanda Vision. I'm not saying, I'm not talking about like, was Wanda Vision good or not? I'm talking about Monica's introduction in WandaVision, Miss Marvel, Captain, like, Captain Marvel.

All these characters, I'm just like... Steve. The scroll suck. This Cree suck. Steve, can you do me a favor real quick on your little thing? Can you give me a little beat? Give me a little music right now. Oh, what are you about to do? Just give me something that,

give me somebody a little groovy real quick. Okay. All right. Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. Uh, yo, my name is Charles. Yo, and I hate women. Hey, yo.

My name is Charles. No, keep going. And I hate women. No, I don't do that to me, bro. Yo, my name is Charles. Get them off my screen. I burn my barbies. I strip them clean.

My name is Charles. Oh, I got the music. Cut the music. And I hate women. Y'all don't want to hear my Barbie tapes. That's why I'm glad I'm not on the big picture. Oh, wow. Perfect movie.

I don't care what you said. Perfect? All right. I loved it. Charles, this is the wrong. We will talk about that. It was the wrong time. Let me talk about it later.

It was the most fun I had in the theater since the game. I'd be honest. Great. Okay. We're off this. Um, you know. I think the holy words have been spoken.

We're off this. I'm sorry for the hate fest. I know that there are, I want to make space. I know that there are people that listen to the show to listen to people talk about what they love. And I understand that sometimes when we get our critical backs, that it is not as fun for people to listen to the show. I get that. I understand that. We are who we are.

We have to be true to who we are. you guys this last episode was a fucking disaster it was a fucking disaster that really changes true then because I see the numbers when we're being haters motherfuckin's life

I don't know whatever they tapped it's it's fine it's fine it's fine it's whatever it's fine all right midnight meter I'll go first five um god damn it was it was going to get a six or a seven

but the last episode it can't be that poor it can't be that poor it rendered the show useless and you said a whole tour a whole maybe

I was probably leaning towards six like I was leaning towards six it wasn't the worst thing ever it was fine it really was aggressively fine maybe seven if they had really landed

the finale, but I'm going five. All right. Charles. I'm going four, and the only reason I'm going for is because I give the Flash of 3. And this isn't as bad as the Flash. But yeah, it's getting a 4. Easy. Jummi? Man, I mean, between the finale,

finding out that our boy was a scroll, I guess in Civil War and all this, man, I got to give it a five, this thing. It sucked. I can't lie to y'all. It was bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Steve? Five as well. Damn, y'all. It's like a fucking funeral here. It's really nice. Oh, my God. We're not having a good time. Oh, my God.

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Oppenheimer, don't get mad at us. Did we all do both movies? I have not seen Oppenheimer yet. You have not seen Oppenheimer? I've seen Barbie twice. I've seen Barbie twice. All right, so Barbie twice. I don't know why Steve saw Barbie twice.

He's like, he's just, you in there, shooting your shot, you like, the girls. In the movie? We had the press screening, and we got the friends screening. He's laughing. This activist.

You, that's not a... Yeah. He was in his bag. Steve is the perfect type of guy to be all down with the ladies until he finally understands the patriarchy. And then he comes back. And then I found out that it wasn't about horses and then I just lost all interest. Yeah, yeah.

Horses are great. I don't like the movie's criticism of horses, by the way. I grew up with horses. That they're male extenders? Like, look, everything about me was... Everything about me was put on trial in this movie. Like, the part where they're talking about where he's watching The Godfather with her,

Kalika turns at me and she looks. It's like, from our entire relationship, I was like, I don't understand how you don't fuck with the Godfather. I'll watch a godfather over and over and over again. It's just everything about me. Can you just talk through the whole movie? Yeah. Barbie, for me, was a 10.

I'm not going to lie. I can't give it. Nah, Barbie wasn't 11. I'm not going to lie, y'all. Yeah. Barbie wasn't 11. Damn,

the leader of the fucking key man women haters club. Why can't you give it an 11? I got to give it an 11 because... It might be a game changer. You should just give it a 12 while you're at you. It's definitely it was definitely in 11. It can't be a 12.

I give it an 11 because not only... Wait, you're giving it an 11 now? I'm going to give it an 11 because... Bullying it? I don't know. No, no, no. I give it an 11. Because not only was the movie really, really fantastic,

but it made $150 out the gate. And my entire Oppenheimer theater was pink. The movie isn't just a movie. It's been a cultural phenomenon as well. So that earns it an 11 for me. Jomey, Steve. I'm going to say it's a 10. To Vance point, everybody was rocking a pink.

I was rocking a pink when I went to the screening. you know and the movie was fantastic you know Ryan Gosling kudos man he cleaned up he was in his he was in his bag we talked about it you can listen to meet Stephen just talk about it on in addition yeah check it out

but yeah we loved it and yeah so I'm walking with it 10 I saw this in Century City so this has got to be an 11 like it's a it's an absolute phenomenon and it like everybody has said it but like when we when you go to the movie

to see Barbie or Oppenheimer or both. Like, everybody's dressed up. Everybody's talking about it and having a good time. And there's this like, borderline delirium of like, we're going to the movies again. It feels great to be in the movies again. And we just love this shit. And I can't not put that in front with an 11. Like that being part of a cultural phenomenon, along with being a fucking hilarious

and great movie. Fantastic. It's 11 for me. I'm going to give my experience of seeing the movie. like the pure joy of seeing like people happy, being able to go out to dinner, everybody being in pink, everybody just rocking in the theaters again. I go, like, I see a lot of movies and generally I'm fucking alone because the theatrical experience is dead. So being in a pack theater with so much joy is a 12. If I'm just talking about the movie in a vacuum, I'm on the fence between a seven and

eight, but I'm leaning more seven than I am eight. So I think I'm going to go seven. The assassination of vibes by the coward Charles Holmes. Ryan Gosling is him. I have nothing to say bad again. I'm like Ryan Gosling, I'm like, it's actually, this is a patriarchy at work because you stole this movie out from under everyone. But yeah, I'm going to have to go with a strong seven.

Charles, I have a question. Yeah, because why do you hate women? Steve, give me my beat. No, this is my, this is the one thing that actually. Uh-uh. Uh-uh, no, turn my mic up. Turn my mic up. Turn my mic up.

Turn my mic up. Yo, yo, yo, yo, real quick. My name is Charles. And I hate women. Stop. Yo, this is just gonna catch on, bro. I need to go outside. I don't know how you.

Eight or seven. I don't know, man. Just because I know, like, I'm a hater. Like, I went with my girlfriend. Like, she was there. Like, she, here's the thing also. I have to dig this movie because marketing is evil because my girlfriend looked at me

she's just like, yo, you're gonna wear pink so we can match to Barbie? I'm like, hell no, I'm not fucking wearing pink. That shit, that she is Christ. Charles, you know, by, by. And then I was just like, the film, as a movie, I laughed.

I was in, there are some of the funniest. I loved it. There are some of the funniest moments of here in that. The most beautifully, I was just like, these are some of the greatest things that I've seen on a screen. The scenes. The movie, though, if by, like, here's the thing.

Everybody deserves their version of Deadpool. And if the white boys got it, the white feminists need to get theirs. Barbie, I'm not hating. I'm not. There was just points in the movie where I'm like, this Barbie movie seems like it's trying to like apologize for being a Barbie movie. And I'm like, sis, I'm already in the seat. I'm an ally.

I'm supporting you. Like, let's go. I don't know that that's true at all. I think the movie made. A lot of points where I'm just like, why are you over explaining? They're just like when like when the middle school kids showed up and they're like, Barbie's not feminist, you're fascist. Fuck you.

I was just like, because honestly though, I thought that that scene was very important because I think that there are things that worked in terms of Barbie's cultural relevance that in the 80s and the 90s that don't work with teenagers today. And I thought that scene was Barbie being introduced to a bunch of teenagers who are now looking at things like hypercapitalism, like body image. And she's not anymore a savior in the world. And it changed savior in the world. She's not anymore a feminist icon. And the point of the movie was that Barbie herself has to change.

And Barbie evolved in the movie. from that, her perfect Barbie world that she came from, wasn't really a perfect Barbie world. She had to change. I understand. All of that tracks. All of that tracks. There were parts in the movie where I was just like,

no, I understand. Like, this is a Barbie movie. Like, don't be embarrassed to be a Barbie movie. And then there would be like a joke where they're just like, hey, we know that some of you might think it's problematic that Margot is in this and we're talking about how da-da-da-da-da. And she's hot. That was hysterical.

Why are we doing this? I'm like, I get it. I get it. Like, it's fine. You don't have to apologize. I'm here. I want to like the apartment. The girls who get it and get it.

Steve, Steve, Steve. One more time. Don't stop. We are not making this. Stop. We are not making this a fucking thing. Yo, my name is Charles. I'm about to fucking log off.

And I despise ladies. Stop. Okay. All right. All right, Oppenheimer. Ten. None of the fuck else to tell you. Three hour movie.

I was hanging on every. second. Generational generationally uh, generationally important and daring performance from Florence Pugh. Um, God damn it.

Emily Blunt was fantastic. Killing Murphy, perfectly cast. If you are a white actor over 35 and they didn't call you, you don't matter. Because they had it all in his movie. Jason Clark was fantastic. We never sell our Josh Hartnett stock. Never.

Hot Solo. Hot Solo was in that bitch, redeeming himself. The theater loved it. The theater, there were people in there crying when the bomb exploded because of what it signified, what it meant for the world. They really tried a lot of things, and for the most part, they got them all right. There was a tonal shift in the third act of the movie when we go back to the courtroom, and now it's Robert Downey Jr. has a Kaiser-Sose moment. It worked, but there was a point where I was like, okay, where are we at now?

because for the high from the bomb and everything you come back to us like, all right, where are we now? But at the end, they tied it all together brilliantly, loved the movie. Love to the movie. Solid eight.

Solid eight. Cool. What do you guys want? Here's the thing. I think, and this is just me being me, I'm just like, if y'all want to know, like, how I felt this movie weekend,

then a 12. Like, you're just like, how did it feel being at the movies and everybody's excited? 12, perfect experience. I want this every single week. again. The movie, though, I was just like, to Van's point, I think the first two-thirds of it, I was just like, hell yeah, bro, work cooking, Christopher Nolan, let's fucking go. And by the last third,

I'm like, hey, man, yeah, it's getting a little shaky here. And also, my theater was a lot less normal than your theater, Van. Because some of the shit that they was laughing at, I'm like, guys, you do realize this is like, top three. worst things that have been done to have been done in human existence, y'all laughing a little bit too much. This theater's a little too white and we laugh in a little too much. This is making me feel bad. The only thing I wanted out of a movie that wasn't in it was Fasos. Fastos? Fastos should have been in there like tapping Oppenheimer whispering in his ear spilled the bomb. Jummi. Guys, clearly zero ball knowledge from Charles.

Give me this movie an 11. Oh, that thing. Bro, let me tell you something, man. That movie slapped. Well, see, I saw it. Shout out to our guy, Otto. I saw it in IMAX, like, just me and two other people

in the empty theater, man, sat in the center of the thing. Brough, when that bomb went off. All right, but, right? I have to say this. Do you think the IMAX change your experience? Because I can't find an IMAX in New York, and I was just like, I would grade this movie

probably a lot better if it wasn't a pack theater and it was actually like 70 millimeter IMAX. You saw Kroppenheimer. You didn't see Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I didn't see the way Oppenheimer is supposed to be seen. I mean, it looks great, but really what it was just the sound, man. Like, I don't know what sound system you

I was using, but the IMAX sound, bro. It was dope. It hits you with your chest. Man, when that bomb goes off. And about that last third, man, like, That part rocks with me because you see at the beginning, okay, like he labels the color stuff as, as fission and the black and white stuff as fusion, right? And we don't have time to get into the whole sciences of all that.

But the reason, like that, that means something, right? And so for like all the color stuff to go down, and it's like, okay, it's all coming apart, right? The whole thing is coming together that seams. And then that last third fusion, ties it all together and creates an even more, like, bigger explosion. Bruh, I mean, like, come on, man. That was just legitimately incredible filmmaking by Chris Finolan.

I was locked in the whole way, like, at the edge of my seat at the end there. Yeah, it's just great. Levin, loved it. Incredible. Killing Murphy and Robert Aaron Jr. will win Oscars and Golden Globes and all that. And Louieck is going to win an Oscar for Best Score. He was going to win an Oscar for Best Sound Design.

Chris Nolan is going to get a nomination for Best Director. It's incredible. Louis going to win so many awards. I think Emily Blunt should be nominated. I thought she was fucking fantastic. It was great. That's my thing about this movie in particular is that we talk about like the Eldon Alder Rikes,

the Huey from the boys, Jack Quaid, Josh Peck, Josh Arnette. They just throw a whole bunch of people at you. They're right in there. Ramey Malikis is this movie. And for his first two scenes, says nothing. That's a best actor Academy Award winner that just out.

I'm in a movie. Like, oh, so he's just not going to do nothing? He's not going to do nothing. I swear to God. Like, he popped up. I was, I thought I was tripping, bro. It wasn't to the end of the movie. I was like, was that?

I was like, oh, and we keep going with the movie. I was like, I look toically, I'm like, they haven't gone back to him now. Like, he's just not going to do anything. And then he comes back at the end. But no, your point, Joe, man, I was like, what the fuck? Like, Florence Pugh, everybody is such, like, everybody brings it to, like, another level. All the acting is so good.

That's why he's got to be 11. Like, it's just incredible. Don't kill me, but this might, I might be bugging, but this might make me like the movie more. And this is my last question, y'all. Does Oppenheimer, does Oppenheimer have the same plot as hustle and flow? Okay. Bring it out. All right.

So, you know, my man, Opi, you know, he's trying to get on. He's trying to get on. He's talking to Albert Einstein. He, like, he learns all this. She's like, man, I'm going to make a whole new type of shit. Y'all have never seen these type of physics here in the States. Boom, boom. He built a team, just like hustle and flow.

You know what I'm saying? Just like Terrence Howard builds a team that's going to put him on, put him on. The bomb goes off, you know, representative of music. And then at the end, my man Truman is like ludicrous. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, dog. Hey, man. Relax.

Get out of here. And everybody at the court, like treating him like, like, dog, get this clearance out of here. This is exactly how hustle and flow ends when he finds his like seedy in the toilet. You know what I'm saying? Nah, nigger Y'all don't see the connection? I'll tell you what, though. It'd be funny, so if you swap

Terrence Howard for Killea Murphy in this movie. Oh, I think it would still work. It would still work. I built a bomb, man. I'm just, man. We can't build hydrogen bombs, man. Can't be hamilton, man. I have to destroy your world, man.

I have become destroyed the world. I'm a communist, man. Steve, you didn't see the movie. Yeah, N.A. for me until... I can't get... There's no sactivism in Oppenheimer. It's not the right move. Well, maybe my sactivism is not seeing it.

Not supporting. Wow. Oh, my God. That's deep. Damn, Steve. Are you about to buy a third ticket to Barbie? You like... Steve is like, you know, I don't think we need another movie about a white man.

You don't need to celebrate something terrible. You don't know what I'm saying? I don't know if you heard about all the people. people that was living there when they build us almost i can't really get with that shit displacement not my thing let me take out something right now there's another movie that i want to talk about before we go last weekend was one of the greatest movie weekends of my life if you're talking about the movie i'm talking let's fucking go please tell me you're talking i'm not locked in yet fellas i haven't seen this either i'm telling you guys right now please take to your

netflix hell yeah hell and please check out a movie called they clone to tyrant fucking phenomenal phenomenal guys I can't I can't tell you the type of movie where I reached out to the producers reached out to everyone

the movie has something to say movie is well acted movie is well directed the soundtracks and music cues and needle drops are perfect John Boyega generational talent so good to see Jamie Tiana Paris

who Charles doesn't like as photo Can we stop? But, like, it is all of those. Oh, yo. My name is Charles. Guys, you're going to make this a fucking thing. Can you stop?

Yes. Please. I'm going to have to apologize to these white women next fucking Wednesday, bro. Can we stop? But, but yeah, fantastic. Charles, you saw it. Jomi, you saw it? I will say this.

Like, I know my voice don't got no power at all. But I sat. And I was just like, this is exactly the type of movie I want where you can get black creatives, a black cast, black directors. And they can just do something quirky and weird and sci-fi. And it doesn't have to be like IP bullshit. It can just be a good fucking story that is just like this movie doesn't slow down for you. You have to get to its pace. It's like, nah, this is so dope.

Y'all got to catch up. And we just need more of that in Hollywood. This is like, I'm no joke. Like, I didn't get the high I did sitting in Barbie and Oppenheimer and being surrounded by people because obviously it's on Netflix. But in terms of like the movie that made me feel the most as a creative, it was they clone Diron. Please watch this movie.

Woo! That was a podcast, guys. Follow us. Certainly all over. Yeah, that was a follow us on socials. Insta. Oh, by the way, just let you guys know they clone Tyrone is a 10. I would rate that a 10.

Hell you. Break that of 10. You guys need to see their clone Tyrone. I'm just saying. Wait. So Barbie isn't 11, but they clone Tyrone.

Yeah, we'll see the difference is the game change. The only reason why Barbies is in 11 is because the, I put cultural impact in there. So cultural impact is every,

when we say impact, everybody is talking about Bobby. Oh, I see it. Everybody, you know what I'm saying? Black man moves out to Hollywood wins an Oscar. All of a sudden,

it's about all these things and it's not about the soul. I get it. I don't know if you know, I don't know if you know, but the president and Barbie is a black woman. Steve, give me my song. One last time. Guys.

One last time. I already closed the thing. Okay, never mind. Never mind. Never mind. Never mind. Never mind. We went back to the world.

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