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What is it? GTA6. But that's not coming out this year, but you know. Anything else? I mean. Ghost of Yote. Oh, that's right. Ghost of Sushima sequel? Ghost of what? Sushima.

Can I ask a question? I don't know why you say. Why is it all of these? I noticed sometimes with Charles, you can talk about this. You're, you're, why can I talk about this? Because you're from, you like, you're from the far east. I'm not from the far east. Whoa.

Hold on for a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. We all know right now is that Chuck is one of these Asian niggas. I am not It's a wee

He's a weep I am not a weep I watch some anime Five back Guys watch anime and read manga I also read America What is every other Ring ofverse recommends from you Charles

That's because I can never think of anything else Like I That's because you're an nigga Like Charles is one of these Y'all know what I'm talking about What I'm saying this too A weep Yes

I'm not a we That's what the people call Anime figury No, I don't have anime figurines. I don't have big titty fucking anime girls all up in my fucking crass. On your camera right now. Move to your left to your right a little bit. This is not anime.

This is art. What's in that accusation back? What's that evacuation back? Whoa. That's Asian now, right? Is it Asian? No, this is fucking art. I'm not going to lie.

I'm about to move my camera around my apartment so you can see the art that's hanging up. It's not just fucking age. You know, we're doing it right now. Tour of the house. Charles, apartment tour. Let's take a little trip. Let's take a little trip.

Let's see. Look at there. Not Asian. Oh, I know that artist. That's kind of Asian. Go back to that. Not Asian. Okay.

Not Asian. Not a little inspired. All I'm saying, bro. But, but, but, so there's a name for it. So what is a we? I never heard this. before. It's somebody who's like really entrenched

into anime and in Asian culture. Yeah. It's basically like a non-Asian person that's a big fan of like Asian culture and stuff like that like to a degree that is like you have like. It's a it's a derogatory ribbing. Yeah. You have otaku, you have weeb

and then you have Asian nigger. That's like the attack goes. Okay. So Charles what was your favorite show of last year? My favorite show of last Uh, Shogit? Wait. Okay.

So, so tomorrow, the question was going to be, what, why is all of these things ghost of this when it comes from the Far East? Why is it always, it's, I've noticed there's so many things

it's ghost of this, ghost of the shell, ghost of the shell. Like, what is, why is it, why is everything ghosts? Charles? I don't know. Guys, I don't.

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skip Captain America right now. Why are you doing this? Oh, we are not skipping Captain America. The streets have already given up on it. See, this is the problem. If it was Captain Japan I Jesus. It was Captain Japan. Oh, my God. You wait a lot.

No, actually, I was about to say something wild. I know what you were about to say that. I know what you were about to say. Oh, but on today's show, We are catching up on the latest episodes of Skeleton Crew. Obviously, we have been with our families for a couple of weeks. We gave you guys some stuff, and I know that you guys liked the recasting. We're going to be doing more of that stuff earlier.

Appreciate the feedback from that. But we're getting back to our coverage of Skeleton Crew. We're going to be covering episodes 5, 6, and 7 right now. So we are going to throw in a spoiler warning for Skeleton Crew, Star Wars, and all plucky content right now. We're getting... Ready to talk about Skeleton crew.

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Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Skeleton Crew episode 567. Since we were last with y'all, the skeleton crew, and the kids learn that they're flying on the onyx cinder, which used to be captained by the legendary pirate attack. They traveled to a nod's hidden layer on the lupah to find the coordinates back to At Atten, but Lanooga has been turned into a getaway resort planning. After some shenanigans, the kids and Jod find them.

Renaud's base and discovered that At-Adden is the home of a mint that produces endless for public credits. Jod turns on the kids. They escape. Jod is recaptured by his old crew. The skeleton crew learned about the power of friendship and working together, helping them escape the planet. John convinces his crew that At-A-A-N is hiding a mint. Jod and the kids gets the surface. Then the pirate is taken to the mitt and the skeleton crew and parents are held at lightsaber point just in time for the season or most likely series finale. All right, then. Now that's... midnight manifest is over.

How are you feeling with the last three episodes of Skeleton? I've noticed something about Skeleton Crew. I've realized something about Skeleton Crew. Skeleton Crew is a perfectly good show. Perfectly good show.

It's got twists, turns, all kinds of things. But it is one of those shows that's it's either for you or not for you. Yes. It is a perfectly good show. I have had a lot of fun with Skeleton Crew. However, I can understand, when I say a lot of fun,

I mean, this is solid content, like good content. They are hitting the marks that they are trying to hit. But Kalika doesn't like it, and she doesn't like it because she just continues to say it's for kids. She just continues to say it's for kids. She's like, oh, you're watching those pups again, is what she says. I wouldn't say she doesn't like it. What I would say is it's hard for her to fall into the show of Skeleton Group.

So I get people that feel that way, but for me, I think that watching the kids evolve as characters, watching the mystery of Adden be uncovered, and then also watching Jod become one of the more despicable villains that I've seen in a while in Star Wars. I've had a lot of fun. I enjoyed these episodes. I'm enjoying the show. Yeah, I'm right with you. I think Steve mentioned earlier on like one of the first episodes we did.

But Star Wars works best when it's like, you know, just a backdrop and you can paint stuff on top of it. And I think that Skeleton to Crew has this little, you know, doing these type thing is working very, very well. I loved the last three episodes. I really enjoyed the kids coming to their own, you know, like finding themselves like with their roles on the ship. and, you know, watching Wim help KB in that moment was like, that was something that was really cool because I'm like, yo, when is Wim going to like participate, you know, in this entire thing? Turns out like, oh, like he's the heart, you know, like he has that moment.

And I'm, yeah, I'm just having a ton of fun and I can't wait to see what happens next week. If Jod, if I'm dead, then Jod has no haters. I hate that man, like with my life. I thought we were going to do the whole, like, oh, man, you know, maybe, maybe the treasure was the friends we made along the way. John's like, actually, the treasure is the bread. Like, I'm going to kill these children. It's crazy. I hope he dies.

I can't wait to see his back. I can't wait. I wouldn't exactly go that far as far as my hate for John, but getting to, like. What's the like about, John? What's the like about it? It's a white man solidarity, man. That's what it is. Oh, that's the same thing.

right now. So he's fucking over kids of color and elephant kids. And so that's the type of shit you like. POCs and women. That's crazy. Wow. Hey, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something and I thought about you, Steve. Okay. Because you

pop in my mind at different times. Whenever something white happens, I think, oh my God, Steve. So is it how I would deal with that or is that exactly how Steve would handle that? No, I'm thinking, Steve. It's not like, so I am studying African history.

I literally am taking a course on African history. And how does Steve pop into your African history? No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let him land this point. I got a feeling that I know exactly when I would pop in. No, that's not it. Because we're not, we're not even near here. There's more to African history, Steve. I know there's more.

It doesn't seem like it. It seems like your mind went as soon as me. It's just me. not that one thing. Okay. Just to be a fucking shocking, honestly. That's crazy.

I'm getting to this part where they're talking about how rich Africa was with gold and how after the 100 years war, that Europe was basically broke a bunch of broke-ass white people. They owed

so much money to Asia and the 100 years war had happened, so they had gone through their silver and gold reserves. So do you know what they did? They went to Africa and plundered their gold reserves. And Africa essentially got Europe out of Hawk to Asia. And I'm thinking, think about the Steve, who was in the meeting, a guy who looked just like you, who was in the meeting who went, I know where we can go to get.

gold master. I know we can go get gold, governor. And they went to Africa and took up all the fucking gold. And now, look what's happening now? Now me, Charles, and Jomi ain't got no fucking gold. What do you have to say for yourself? Is this why you like, John? Because you're just

like, damn, my ancestors did this in the past and a galaxy far far away. You see yourself in him. Yeah. That's what it is. That's, that is, wow. I never thought about it like that. Of course you didn't, Steve. Gold reserve. Because you don't have to think about it. Gold reserves.

I got a new nickname. Steve, the kid pirate, almond. That doesn't sound right. The kid pirate sounds right. Yo! Yo! I've liked John's arc, but what I wanted to kind of speak on was the idea that, like, Kali can not exactly getting behind it because it's geared toward kids.

And, like, as much as I'd, like, agree with that, because I think ultimately it is, I think the reason that we're kind of so excited, or at least a lot of people are a lot more excited about this, is that this is probably the first time in a minute that a Star Wars show has worked and has, like, had a mission statement, and it's pretty much succeeding. And regardless of what, like, demographic it's for,

I think that excites us to know that it's executed its premise pretty much solidly. And that's kind of what's gotten me wrapped into it. To know that the idea that the acolyde, Like to imagine that the acolyte worked, and that's geared clearly more towards adults, we would probably be having a different conversation. But I like the idea that while this show is clearly like working for not only who it's working for, but for the critics that can sink their teeth into Star Wars lore,

I think that that's kind of what carries it like above and beyond to the, you know, pedestrian Star Wars fan. That being said, I think the biggest like interesting arc that I've seen in these three episodes has been Jod. And it's been both with how he's been bouncing off the kids in a positive way and the way that we can both

speculate and interpolate what his past is like based on his force powers and based on how he treats those kids. Like did it ever occur to you that like, okay, if he's this much of an asshole, why didn't he just kill these kids? or like leave them like actually to die. He needs them. He needs them, yeah.

But like if it ever crosses his mind by like that penultimate episode, it's probably done with, right? Do you feel like it's ever crossed his mind? No, because he is a pirate that is looking for one thing and he needs them or their ship or whatever to be able to find the loot that he's looking for, right? Yeah. But there's a moment that he's talking to,

what's our name, to Wim, and he's like talking about connections and he's talking about how like those need to be cut off from their lives and that's like he's more or less like quoting Quigon and like a very like twisted way of like the Jedi philosophy

that it's like, okay there's like a lot more. You feel like there's one more twist left for the character. I feel like that there's like he clearly has a sort of code while despicable there seems like there's a line that he's not crossing and nor he nor will he cross he's getting close but I actually don't think that

there's going to be a moment where he reveals himself as purely evil despicable sure but evil I don't think so I mean maybe I think well it's interesting for him because you mentioned that conversation has a whim and he used attachments in that in that sentence and I was like ah he's he's me he's for real attachments that's a that's a Jedi word but it didn't really start for him until they find Tack Renner's layer, right? Under the little, you know, the casino thing. It's like, oh, like, that's when, like,

the brain eyes just turn the money signs. It's like, actually, it's getting real now. Like, I can sense it. I'm so close. Hey, I challenge you for, you challenge a kid for the right to the ship. Come on, man. You hold holding a knife to her neck.

Like, I know he's not going to do it, but, like, there are levels. You know what I'm saying? Activating the lights. saber, you know, cutting SM 33's head off. I'm not saying that this is cool. Brother man, like,

Galamete, galamete, you don't have to do all that. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't mess with it. I don't mess with. Chuck? Yeah. This time to get these muffet babies out of here.

Oh, so you side with John here. I mean, you're on John's side. Honestly, at this point, you'd have taken the lightsaber to a lot of And the kids are and or season two. After that, they 18, they out of the house. I'm divorcing Star Wars. It's a wrap.

Wait a minute. Hold on. Before we get to this, I want to say, because we have to get to, we have to unpack this from Chuck. But before we get to this, okay, I want to say this. Do we think, we've seen scoundrels in Star Wars before,

scoundrels that do scoundrelist things, but then come through in the end, solo Lando come to mind Lando legitimately turns our friends into the empire but at the end of the day

he comes through and becomes a very valuable piece of the resistance army a general black general general general okay

do we see before we move off Jod to Charles's the end of Charles's Star Wars level affair, which I think we should talk about. Do we see that potentially with John? Would he be in the

Lando Han Solo class of scoundrel turned heart of goal? Once again, he killed a beloved droid. Already, we saw that. That, to me, is the furthest that he's gone. He killed his wolf on me, too. Right. Brutus? Well,

he's not. Brutus, though. Yeah. But Brutus is kind of like... Yeah, but Brutus is a bit of the game. Like, he gets it. And he gets it. And he gets it.

And he's a game. But it's a pirate. Come on. Like, that's the game. The most, the thing he, like he, him and Adakia Skywalker got the same screenshot. They're holding his lightsabors up to kids, man. Like, I don't know how you bounce back from that one. Like, I don't.

I don't. I mean, one of them used them, but... There's a lot of game. Also, and I real, like, I will have to say, just when I was, like, I will have to say, just when I was, I was, I don't, I don't. was like on whim's side. Like after Wim helps KB, I'm like, damn, Wim's turned a corner. Great episode, by the way.

Fantastic. Like I'm like, yo, like my man Wim is like growing up finally. And then he went all the way back when he had to like defend what's her face. And he just like screams and like, do you remember that when he's just like, I'm going to save the day? I'm like, Wim. That is the fuck. That's the funniest. The most unbearably plucky moment of a show that I've seen in the long.

I was a dog Wait, when he almost slices his foot off That's so funny That was so great That's a funny moment No, that was great Story wise that it got to me a little bit Because I was like, we finally got Wim to a place

Where he's like finding himself He's the heart of the team He's being less obnoxious And then he immediately goes back to being obnoxious I'm like, I can't. Yeah, but that's the perfect like analogy of too much dip on the chip. Like you're like, okay, yeah,

You can help your friends and grow, but you're not going to stand up to an adult with a lightsaber you don't know how to use and almost slice your foot off. Whoa. Let's be real. When is an otaku if we want to use our other word for Jedi. This is not helping your case, Charles.

And he doesn't, he's never been like, oh, write something about how a lightsaber works or make sure that like the fucking emitter is like, like, like it's all the right. Cut his mic. Cut his mic. Mike. Be serious. What? he's a tame me.

He's a 10. He's a 10. He's like picking up a Glock and literally just putting the, you like, how does this work? Do you have any idea how many fucking kids I've seen do that?

Hold on. All right. Oh, wow. Hold on. How many kids? Wait, wait. If a 10-year-old's obsessed with cars supposed to get in the car

and drive one off the lot, what are you talking about? Guys, guys, it's a light scene. He is a, he is a fan of fucking. They've never seen one before. Come on. Come on. I'm not entertaining as you all today.

I don't know what the, how people are going to look at me now, but, uh, but I have guns. We know this, man. No, no, no, it's 20, 25. You're good. I have, it's cool. Okay, I have guns. The great unwokening. Yeah.

The great on wokening. You're good. Fuck it. It's going to be the great unloading. Yeah. Okay. Loading in is crazy, Steve. But look, so I'm telling you, growing up in the South and I,

I got a gun for my seventh birthday, right? So kids have guns. I got a 14 shotgun for my seventh birthday. Growing up in the South, like you're teaching someone how to shoot. You clear the gun for them. Clear the gun for them. And you would be surprised at how many people take the gun and they look at the gun and they go. And you're like, whoa.

Just look down the barrel. First rule. Finger triggered discipline. Don't look down the barrel of your gun for any. reason. This is how you clear. You would be surprised at how many people, man, I went and bought a gun during the pandemic.

And I just knew that there was going to be a rash of accidental shootings in L.A. with the way I saw these people that were buying guns dealing with the whole thing. But you would be surprised at that. All right. You know, there I, here's the thing. Van, rest of the midnight boys, you are right. That is an accurate

portrayal. I believe too much in Wim. He's an idiot like most of us are. He's a child. He's a child. There's a child. Not even an idiot. He's not going to know how to use that thing. The 10 year old. Honestly, and that was the other part of that episode when KV went with

what you call with Wim. I'm like, that's how you know she down bad. Because I'm just like, she's going with the idiot. This is terrible. Well, because her and Fern, because Fern don't listen. Oh, fuck Fern. I'm done with Fern. Fern sucks. Fern.

Fern has got to learn some stuff. It's terrible, bro. Terrible. I will take Wim is an idiot. and when he yelled attack and ran out there, I'm like, God damn it, man. Leroy. Yeah, that's great.

Like, like, Leroy, when he Leroy, Janke is that motherfucker, I was pissed off. I would take whim every day. Fern sucks. How to fuck you got this type of middle age angst already. You're fucking 11 years old. You're 10 years old. Suburb.

How to fuck are you this fucked up? Like, she's a grizzled Gotham police vet. Well, have you seen her mom? Like she just, no, she just, she has so many problems already and so many doubts and all of this stuff. It does. It's not working. Your best friend is about to die. And she's just like, put some Vaseline on it and get to fucking find.

Lock it. Lock it. Yo. Yeah. By the way, she stole a blaster from home. Nobody ever talked about that. She just stole a gun from how, from the house. And she was doing Neil dirty when they were climbing up the thing.

Neil was like, yo, you're going too fast. And she was like, all right, bro. I got to drag you up too. I got to carry myself and drag you up too. I was like, yo, respect my man's, bro. God. Jesus. So Charles, you don't love Star Wars, is what you're saying.

They, they, it's broken. It's, it's, the regime is broken by spirit. It's, because there's a thing, I agree with you then, what you said. I think that there is like a continuum of Star Wars content. I think like the first two seasons. of Mando andor are on like the 10 to 12 scale and then there's Bucca Boba Fett in Obi-Wan and Asoka. And we can keep going on. And I think in the middle is skeleton crew where it is not bad.

It is not good, but it is just fine. And I think I am just, I'm just, there's nothing left in a galaxy far, far away. we need to just, it's, there's just nothing. I would, they can't make fine TV. And I would personally,

I personally would call this good. I mean, well, even, I think it's good too, but like, all right. Let's be real.

Even whether we want to say it's, it's good to fine, we have to be real that like, we're at a point with Star Wars where like the general populace has basically been like, who the fuck cares? Because all of this stuff just kind of appear.

and then evaporates. We don't talk about it. You know what I mean? Like after these shows come on, it's just like nothing really changed. They weren't good enough to really remember. And like emotionally, I don't feel anything.

And generally speaking, whenever I go, especially in the movie theaters, the best Star Wars movies make me feel something. And when I was watching these last three episodes, I'm like, okay, this is like fine content. But that's all it is. It's just content.

It's just there on the screen. I don't, and I just think Star Wars is better than you. Hmm. That's, I don't disagree with the premise of what you're saying in terms of Star Wars' ability to incite an emotional, childlike sense of wonder for you. We've talked about this before Star Wars are wonderful. I will tell you this, though, and I'll ask this question to everyone. Is it okay if Star Wars is comfort food?

Yeah. I don't say what that. That's okay. And this is what I mean. This is what I mean by that. You go to, you guys come over to the house to eat, right? You guys come over to the house to eat.

We're watching a show and I get food. What am I likely to order if everybody's coming over? Wings. Bloods us. pizza wings lots of right yeah yeah the barbecue the pizza and the wings why all of those things are in the realm of things that i know you guys are going to be good with and there's a very low chance that we won't be satisfied and it can feed a lot of people now every once in a while you get

life changing barbecue life changing pizza life changing wings but if you're eating those things you're probably not looking for them to be life-changing. They can be. They definitely can be, and that doesn't mean you should lower your expectations. I'm not saying we should do that for Star Wars. But what I'm saying is, in those staple types of foods,

Star Wars has been around with us for such a long time. We love it like we love pizza. We love it like we love wings. We love barbecue. Is it okay if we just eat it and like the taste and it's not life-changing project-to-project or is Star Wars to the point for you guys to where they need to let us know

that they can feed us shit that makes us look at the galaxy in a whole different way like a new hope like some would say Revenge of the Sith like you know other stuff like that do they need that that type of those types of bangers

or can we just have comfort food Star Wars content sprinkled in there every now and again with something like Andor. I think their average could be higher, right? You know what I'm saying? There's a couple of strikeouts, a couple of groundouts. You could get on base every so often. You know what I mean?

But ultimately, to your point of comfort food, I think that I'm like, I don't, man, I just see it differently, man. Like, I don't, like, television and movies are two different things. I don't sit. If I watch something at home that gives me, me the feeling of a movie, I'm like, great. This was awesome. This is the exception, not the rule.

Right? When I watch Star Wars on TV, I don't expect to see Empire Strikes Back at the Crip. That would be nice. I would love that. But that's not what, that's not what it is. And that's cool for me, right? When I go to your house, get some blood so, if it's not life-changing, that's fine, right? But if I go to a fancy barbecue restaurant, I know, yo, I want to face barbecue, I don't get face of barbecue. That's different. Do you know what I mean? Am I making sense?

Well, Blasso's is fancy barbecue and shout out to everybody over there and Blasos are going to be pissed off. We just, Joey just fucking with it. It's really good. I just feel like we tend to move the goalposts and we tend to do it more now because what, Rises Skywalker came out in 2019

and since then, I would say most of the stuff that has come out of Lucasfilm has been not great. It just has not lived. up. I think to the promise of when Mandalorian launched Disney Plus as a service, I think there was a vision of, oh, this is going to at least feel vital. And we're at the point where not really any of it. And I do get what you're saying, Van, where it's like, I think that there is a version of like stuff where it can be comfort food. But if you're spending 200 million,

250 in Andor's case over half a billion, like, I do think that there's. starts to become a point where we're like yo every show every other show just can't be bad to mine that I think that is a problem right oh

oh go ahead Steve no no and I think that like excluding skeleton crew which I think we can all agree is at least fine if not good it's not a bad show I want to be clear it is not right yeah it is a watchable show and if we're talking about just like the tapestry of content that's come out post, I don't know,

2019, let's say, from Star Wars. I'm perfectly fine with something that, at least like something like a post phase four Marvel approach where we're like, okay, clearly we're kind of flooding the zone here and the product is suffering because of it. And if we take our time and if we're clearly, you know, not putting out Star Wars movies as as much as we are, if at all, and taking our time with what we're actually going to be

thinking about what we put out and not doing something just because we can or that we think that we should for financial reasons, et cetera, et cetera. I'm okay with something that can be a satisfactory story and then that's it. As disposable as this content game is, that's been the ecosystem that pop culture has lived in for a while now.

and Star Wars, Marvel, and all of those things have been more or less at the center of it and while a bit over-exposed we're kind of starting to realize that like, okay, if we like kind of slow down the tap a little bit, we might be able to at least appreciate some of those things more. Now that being said, bringing it back to Skeleton Crew,

I still feel wildly refreshed at the idea that something is executing on a premise as well as this is, not just because of the fact that Star Wars has been slipping for a while, but because I am genuinely compelled by the things that they're showing us. And I think that that's really the things that better. Can I ask this though?

Because I've been seeing and maybe they're just rumors, but like there's not a second season of Skeleton Crew. I think Greenlit yet. And I guess part of also what's making it difficult for me to invest in Skeleton Crew is that I don't know if Star Wars, Disney, Lucas

film is invested in terms of like if this is just like an eight episode season, And then it's kind of like the other stuff, like, Ackleite, potentially Obi-Wan, Book of Boba-Fet, where it's like, we kind of just get one season of it. There is a level of like, I think you're robbing the viewer of what TV does really, really well, which is like, there's a lot of shows that I've watched in the first season that have been like, okay to find that become really good to transcend it in a second season. I think the other thing that we're facing is like just giving us like eight episodes and then never hearing. about it again and them never touching these characters again, there is a level of like me as a fan where I'm just like,

how much should I invest in it emotionally if, like, it seems like the company narratively, well, isn't really like investing in it. I mean, TV doesn't work like that anymore, though. Like, it just doesn't, it just doesn't anymore. Like Netflix, ever since we, they went from the ad model to the subscriber model to because what shows generate the most subscribers, that's the shows that keep getting renewed.

so you can like go up and down Netflix and show shows that's not the Star Wars shows really get renewed if that's what I'm saying though but that's my thing just is that that's just how TV works now watch the show did people watch it

did they like is it is it good first question did people watch it answers yes then the question is is it good right if the answer to that is no but people watched it you might get a second season if nobody subscribed for it

and it was bad it's gone right if nobody subscribed for it And it's good, probably won't get me. That's just how it goes. We're going to get back to our expectations for the final episode of Skeleton Crew in a second. I want to stay on this one more beat because I want us to kind of consider the entire sphere

of what we just discussed. Okay, two things I'm going to bring up. We all watched the first season of Chauvin, right? Yep, yep. We watched it, and you guys didn't want a second season, right? I did not. Right. It was only supposed to be one season as well.

It was reported that it's only supposed to be one season. I went into it as this is a limited series. Exactly. Exactly. No. The only thing that's different. The actual, three episodes in,

I knew that there would be a second season. You know what I mean? But the only thing that's actually different, this is my point, is the expectation. The expect, they set you up with a dramatic expectation that they were telling the story.

And so you didn't know how much story was left. In this situation, they haven't told you anything, but your expectation will be that there's more story, right? So if there's an expectation that there is more story, then you want a commitment from the creatives. If there is an expectation that there's enough story, then you want restraint from the creatives. In this conversation, where we're talking about Star Wars,

which I started watching when I was seven or eight years old, we've talked about budgets, We've talked about Netflix and streaming services subscriber models. We've talked about Star Wars as content or shows. We've talked about so many things that are business that have nothing to do with the actual story of skeleton crew. We've talked about justifying a $200 million budget. I'm not saying that all of those things aren't things that we should talk about. I'm just saying that there are things that we didn't use to talk about.

there are things that we didn't use to consider when we were justifying whether or not content or whether or not a story should be there, right? Or whether or not a story should exist. I'm saying that our expectations of this stuff I'm saying it right now. I'm not

caping for Star Wars. Please fucking listen to me. I'm not caping for Star Wars. The Star Wars content that we've gotten since the rise of Skywalker, really since the Disney merger, has been middling at best up and down for sure. But what I will also say is with our knowledge of the inner working of this stuff, the players, Flonny, Favreau, this, that, everything, we're getting granular with this stuff in a way that I think affects our expectations of it, so much so, to where they actually put out a good show

and it's just not good enough. And so I'm not saying that we owe Star Wars or Lucasfilm anything because we don't. If Charles is saying that if they spent $300 million, every show should be Andor, I get that. Oh, no, that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no. Yeah, no, I get it.

But what I'm saying is that's a lot of money to fuck off and not have, like the accolite is a debacle when you think about how much money they spent on it. The only thing I'm saying is that like not forget about our expectations. If they can make something good and we can still not quite be fucking with it, the question should be, in my opinion, and I ask this of myself, like how much do we love Star Wars? Like how much Star Wars do we actually want?

Because if we, I'm to the point to where I love it so much, I will watch any Star Wars show, read any Star Wars comic, listen to Star Wars lore. I just want as much as I could possibly get. But the more that you get, the more some of it is just going to be okay. Because I think I'm on the opposite interview where I'm like, I'm thinking about my Star Wars fandom and I think I've gotten to the point just because I think the Disney merger has been so middling where I'm like,

I would be okay with them just. returning to movies. I'm not making a movie for years and years upon then. Just because I do think that, like, that actually was to me what made Star Wars special. Even if you don't fuck with the prequels at all, we can't deny that there was a feeling of when a Star Wars movie hits theaters, it feels like whether you fuck with it or not,

oh, this feels special. And I think there's so many things in, especially at this level of IP that don't feel special anymore, there is an emotion that I'm not getting where I'm just like, damn, it kind of sucks when I just don't care about Star Wars. Like, it sucks when we're getting a bunch of Star Wars content and I'm at the point where I'm just like,

eh, like, I don't want to feel like that. Like Mandalorian and or it's been proven, I can feel that. And here's the thing, even when it's not transcendent. I feel like, say what you want about the Acolyte. The Ackleight had moments where I'm like, I've never seen this in Star Wars before. We can get there.

We can get there. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to, like, boo-hoo scouts crew. I'm just saying we can get to those, oh, shit, wonder moments. And I don't want us to, like, just give up. Jomey, Steve? That's fair. I mean, I've, you keep bringing up Rise of Skywalker.

That's when we should have known, man, it was over. That was just, I've said it on the spot of a thousand times. No, but I think to your point, man, we do, you know, try and moneyball it. Like, oh, where they're doing $300 million budget, this and this. Sometimes you've got to enjoy, man. Forget all the, you know, speculation, all the, the number, the pocket watching. You know what I'm saying?

Just see if it's good or not. Does it, does it register in you in your heart when you watch it? That's how we used to consume this stuff. You would go to movies. You would sit down on your couch. You'd watch TV. You didn't be like, man, Joe McHale made $13 million for the suburbs of a community. he was barely in it.

It's a bad episode. You don't know what I'm saying we didn't used to do that. Let's not rewrite history. There was a lot of, there was a lot of like fucking articles on fucking community and how like all that shit. No, forget all that, bro.

Like we, like you just used to watch the show. And if it got, I would sit down, watch Thursdays at 830 on NBC out of watch a show. But like, man, hope they come back next week.

You know, hope that's, hope the season, season four gets renewed. Like, it wasn't like, man, the show makes $2, it some million dollars, this and this, which and which, again, like, we were, again,

we're too much in the weeds on this stuff. Like, there is something to just sitting down and joining it if you rock, if it rocks, then it rocks. If it does, it, doesn't. But the pocket watching, there is a lot of that going on. It might need to stop. Let me ask you a question real quick. Did everybody on this call see Wicked? I did. Hell. So you didn't see Wicked, Charles. Hell. It's a good time. It's a good time. It's a great time. I saw Wicked. Charles, I don't, I don't get it, bro. Wicked, I cried, and Wicked had me.

She found herself, bro. Try it. I'm going to sell you on with you right now. No, no, here. I was, you don't even have to sell me. You just have to make me a promise. If my black ass buys a ticket to Wicked and sees it, I mean, you can rent it now.

I demand that we talk about it on the podcast. Yeah, I want to do a Wicked Files. Yeah. We can do it. I don't want to do it for free. I literally, if I see. If I see wicked, we need to discuss. You don't want to do it for free?

Nah, bro. We got to turn it into content, bro. You're not going to watch it for fun. I want to do a wicked pot because I'm going to be honest with you. Two of my favorite people in the world, my favorite people in the world, I love to have conversations with Sean Finnessy. I love to have conversations with Amanda Dobbins, movie mom. I love to have conversations with them.

We got a little group chat the whole nine. I fucking loved Wicked. And if you're talking about feeling something emotional, the story of somebody who is dealing with belonging, dealing with all of these things in terms of fitting in, can't find her way, who's trying to figure out how to harness her power, and then finds her fucking voice,

you can't find me, look to the western sky. All right. I get me this, man, don't reveal the score. Don't reveal the score. Okay. Above a six on the midnight meter, below a six. What?

Way above. Way above a six. Are you niggily? All right. Y'all are lying. I can't wait. What? Wait, are you fucking kidding me?

Huh? A six? Wicked is way. You have to, you have to watch it. You got to watch. It might be an 11. I'm not even bullshit. Okay.

Wow. Well, okay. well, let's, all, all, we're going to save. We're going to save this for a. We're doing. the wicked pod. I'm going to go see it. If you're buying, bro. If you buy it. Let's make sense an open action out. I'm going to get back to it

another time. Okay. We're going to do the wicked pod. But when we do the wicked pod, are we going to sing? We have to, we have to do a musical part. Yeah. And we have to dress up like witches. Nice. I thought you were going to say we have to dress up like fly monkeys. I'm like, I don't know. The great unwokening is gone. Oh, the great on wokening. Skeleton crew episode eight.

Wait, wait. I have a skeleton. question to bring us back. Go for it. Yeah. So earlier when we were talking about skeleton crew in a previous episode, you were basically like y'all were getting on you. You're like, Charles, you don't think the mystery of that

A-A-N is interesting. Do you guys feel like the mystery of that A-A-N kind of like lived up to the like... Fuck no. No. Like is there, because I, Steve, like we were talking about like other twists. I'm kind of waiting. I'm like, is there another

twist to add A-A-A-in? Or is it? I think the, like a bit of a stumbling point for the show is like, oh, I'm, I was expecting like a severance or like island of lost level like, oh, this is like a big like reveal of like a secret society. I'm like we're kind of like, that's kind of much more less sideline. I thought this was a secret society away from the republic who's just like we protected ourselves, we shut the doors. And they're like it could be, but yeah, it still could be. but the fact that we're going to be having that, like the idea of that being info dumped at the final episode kind of sucks.

And we'll see how it ends up, but like I'm like that real intrigue is like kind of on the sidelines for me. There has to be something else. I don't know. Even the mystery of like is Jada's like a Jedi. Is he like, here's the thing. I'm actually okay.

I'm okay with not really knowing about that. I don't know. I'm actually kind of okay with not knowing. Wait, first, first, foremost, I think he's proves it enough that he's had some force training. And I think that's good enough for me. Let's, Joe me, the explainer, explain, because I have not, at this point, it's still, I am on 60, 40, 60, he's an Otagena. I don't know. He's like, he broke the shackles on this week's episode.

He's moved a whole bunch of stuff with his mind. He knew how to use the lightsaber. right that's one of those things and then again Finn knew how to use the lights no no he didn't he turned it on and he dropped it because he's a little baby I said whim I said Finn

in a force awaken so we've seen we've seen non-force users use a lights sure but again and I said this earlier use attachments like that's like that's on purpose I think that's a right that's a lot I think that's on purpose I'm gonna tell you all straight up that Finn shit was stupid

as fuck it's only stupid because they didn't pay it off It's not doing because they didn't pay it off. It's cool. If they paid off, it works. I'm like, wash this nigga. Like what,

what are you talking about? Like, is, that fish? Oh, you're talking about the fight with Kyle Ritter at the, yeah. Yeah.

What the hell. Yeah. He did cook. It cooked them. No, he had it. So pissed. Yeah.

He sliced this back up. Nah, he, he fucking, bro. Like, he should have been cut in half is what you're saying? We need to,

have you, whenever, Have you rewatched this fight recently, Jome? They, Finn, come on, bro. I'm not, look, I'm not saying, I'm not saying Finn should have put the bricks on him, but you know what I'm saying? He, again, remember, Finn got the force. Finn's a force user, right?

Conodically, so, you know what I'm saying? We're not doing this. He's a force user. He's a little thing to it. Here's a thing. I do think John's a force user, which makes it, like, really interesting why he's, like what happened to him, right? I guess, you know, the empire falls, whatever, Order 66, the whole thing, and becomes a pirate.

And, but, like, doesn't flex his force powers that often. Maybe he's because he's worried about something coming. I don't know. It's interesting. The horse is made of metal? So I'm just like, is he just, does he just have, like, a gadget that helps him move metal? I might be wrong, but if we think about the keys, we think about the lock. We think about the handcuffs.

every single time I've been watching every single time he uses it I'm just like it's not like he's moving big shit with his mind he's moving like small metal things it's I again I think the reason that I'm okay with him not like being hard confirmed a Jedi Padawan thorough force user whatever is because everything every time that like it's actually put into a place where it matters it's in the perspective of King and oh my god how did you do that like it's a magic trip it's this thing that like he either has an actual upper hand on with them or it's something that he uses to get out of a jam for his for like his own personal reasons if that's the force and if he's actually doing that because he's either a like former paduan or a Jedi in hiding whatever whatever uh that's fine to be left up to the mystery because we as the conjectured star wars fans can just be like oh, like, we could draw a line from somebody that has experienced those things to a life of scum and villainy to being like that. I think for the sake of the kids, and particularly whim, if there's like a redemption for Jod to have of like either a final rescue or a final thing that like actually keeps them like in the good graces, in Jod's good graces, I think that's the actual thing about, like,

an adult that they thought was like beyond reproach or like beyond redemption actually redeeming themselves to them. And that to them is something worthy of a hero, worthy of a Jedi, worthy of something that is given, you know, the adoration that Wim has for the Jedi. I think that's the important part here. Whether or not it's actually confirmed lore-wise or in his personal story, I don't quite matter. Like, it doesn't quite matter to me.

I think that the redemption of Jodd to the kids, that's actually like the important part. The thing about a coming of age story to me is it's always the reason why the kid comes of age. That's the crux of a coming of age story. Sometimes it's sexual awakening. They have a crush or relationship. Yeah, you've never seen that before? No, yeah, yeah. I've seen the movies.

Damn, don't just, don't do them. No, no, no, I wasn't expecting that as the first thing. I wasn't expecting that as the first thing. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That was definitely produced. That was definitely prudence. You, Steve, okay, all right, that's fine. That's fine.

My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. No, some kid comes of age because of a relationship. You don't like super bad, Steve? No, I absolutely have. You can't.

You can't. I absolutely can't. That was my fault. My fault. I'm just goddamn computer right now, Steve. Um, no, but there's sexual or there is something that happens with the parent. They have to grow up quick or whatever. In Wim's case, in a lot of their cases,

they've envisioned the galaxy in this one way. He looks at the Jedi in this one way. He looks at force users in this one way. They are learning so much about their real place in the galaxy. They say in one of these episodes, it might have been seven, we were going to tell you all of this stuff after you graduated. You would know that we were a meant. You would know this.

You would know that we were going to tell you about all of this stuff after you graduated. They're learning it now. So they're not becoming adults after they're graduating. They're becoming adults now. The question is, for me, will the things that they learn about the galaxy be worth our time for the last six or seven episodes? Because I had anything, I'll just be straight up honest with you.

I thought that there was going to be more to what I thought. But once again, expectation. I thought it would be a nexus of the force. I thought it would be some kind of weird thing. I thought it would be some place where they've sent all this. I thought it would be more to it. No, man. Will the kids' revelation,

in the last episode be something that makes us say hey they are fundamentally different characters now than they were when we first started. Jolmi, what were you saying? No, I don't like I guess I understand that the reveal that Adadden is just a mint, it's not sexy, but I think

it completely, it tracks, right? When the first episode aired and we were talking about, or the first two episodes aired, they were talking about like, you know, what were they like going to school for it? Like, you'll be a data analyst, you'll be this, you'll be this, you'll be that. It's not, again, none of that is sexy.

That's all boring. That's all boring. Like, what does that mean? Like, why is this planet special? What does it mean? The genesis of the idea that this planet is like, oh, a treasure planet. It's got all this, like, quity tooty, like, mystical, like, aura around it. And to find out that, oh, it's just where they make the money.

It completely tracks the story. I don't, I don't know where, like, I guess. I mean, frankly, it's like we all got swept up in the magic, the mystery of Atten when we first saw it, it was this boring cul-de-sac of a planet. And we come back and it's still the same thing. It just got some bread under the ground. You know, I don't like for me, when I come, when they find like when he's like, yo, it's a minute. He goes, he goes to the vault. He sees all the bread.

I'm like this, like this makes sense. Yeah, but I think there's a difference. I think there is a difference between a story making logical sense or narrative sense. And when you're talking about a mystery, I think mysteries can do two things. Either because there's a lot of mysteries where the reveal doesn't work, but the journey was so great and so emotional that you don't really care whatever the mystery was. You're just like the journey was important. And then there's stories where it's just like the journey and the mystery were well worth it.

And I'm at the point where I'm just like, oh, if there's no other twist that's going to happen with Jod or with the Mint and Ad Aten and the treasure planet, if that's all that this was mystery wise, then the journey that like the last episode, the journey has to have wrapped up in such an amazing way to make me feel like the eight episodes were worthy, if I'm just going to be honest. because, and that's a thing that the show did. I think the show kind of painted itself into a corner where there's like, A. What's the mystery with Adetan? What's the mystery with Adet? And the reveal just kind of being an infotum, I was watching the episode being like, oh, really?

That's how we learn? Like, just the exposition of it all. I was like, I was a little disappointed because the show did, especially kind of with like the whim and the KB stuff, I think the show did prove. that it can land those really emotional moments, that there can be that like that thing that I'm just like, oh, that was really nice. I just feel like they kind of, at least right now

where we're at in the penultimate episode, kind of screwed it a little bit with that. I mean, we'll see. This is a legitimate Star Wars problem that I'll be honest with. Star Wars is like has a problem with what we know and what will be surprised.

with. Like a lot of the, even the Mandalorian, right? A lot of the reason why the Mandalorian works is because when the when Grogu when his thing opens up and it's a little

I was literally like, oh shit. Yeah. Like I was legitimately like not, I was like, oh what the fuck? You know, what happens now? A daddy

A father Like what Now what And so When they set us up For these things Um They do have to matter

So the The eighth episode to me I like the show I like the kids I think the adventures Have been great It's I'm really enjoying

Skeleton crew But they will really do themselves well If they If they blow the eighth episode They would really do themselves well To like stick they blow the eighth episode I think there's going to be a lot

of bad taste left in a lot of people's mom but I do I have had legitimately a good time with Skeleton Group I think the show has been good I think it's been good I think it's been shit if we look at these Star Wars shows

I would have Mando's season one so far I would have um I would have Mando Season 1 I'd have Andor

Mando season 1 Mando season 2 and the Skeleton crew would be right there it would be like it would be right after Yeah this is definitely one of the better

Star Wars shows for sure Okay but it's like You know You got A D and LeBron And then you got Austin Reeves And then your four best players What gave Vincent

You know what I'm saying It's not really Like Max Christie You know what I'm saying It's a little bit of a drop off Who's all right Then who's answer over here There is a large drop-off between the first two seasons of Mando and Dorr and everything.

It's a little bit of- It's fine, but it's Rui. Sure. You know, we can get behind Rui? Can we? Did you watch the game last night? Brother, man, I can't get behind none of them dudes. Listen, I know y'all watching. Lock, lock in.

Actually, forget all that. Rob Polinka, figure it out, buddy. All right. Enough is enough. This ain't the real ones. Get on real ones. I've had enough. Not enough.

Jomi. Jomi. you guys wanted a 57-year-old man leading your team. Did you see the dunk last night, though? You're 22, baby. That's how y'all. That's all she got to do is twerk for y'all. I'm telling me, she don't have to call you back.

I know niggas like you. She don't have to call you back. She don't have to check on you. She don't have to do as soon as all she got to do is like, girl, where you been? Look at this ass. Daddy. Twork a little

before you, you good. Don't have to, you don't have to be there day in and day out. You just got to see one half of

ass cheek once a month and you okay. Honestly, that's a great metaphor for Star Wars. All y'all needs to see is a little bit of fucking twerking. Oh,

that's true. That's all you. Just a little bit of lightsaber action. That's facts. Just a little bit of force. That's a lot. That's not wrong.

That's not wrong. That's the night episode of Ackal that's what it is. I don't be honest with you. I love Star Wars. Love. So literally, they could just make trailers. That's never going to come out.

That's what Star Wars Visions is. Right? That's what Star Wars Vision is. It's just like a 30-minute trailer for something. A whole season. If you guys want me to accurately, accurately critique the things that I based my entire childhood around, you're talking to the wrong niggins.

I'll just be honest with you. This is what we got Chuck for? I'm looking for reasons to like this shit. I give a fuck, all right? I don't fucking care. At the end of the acolyte, they showed Yoda's ears, I'm fucking in. I don't give a fuck. I'm looking for reasons to like this.

I'm looking for reasons to like Star Wars, looking for reasons to like Marvel, looking for reasons. I'm a 44-year-old man. and when I see fucking Mickey's ears, I still get excited. I'm looking for reasons to like this. Because you add this idea. You know what we're going to do?

We had an idea where we were going to say, you know, what was the midnight idea? How close are we to nuclear Armageddon with the content? Doomsay clock. Dumesay clock.

Here's the thing. Here's a thing. If Skelton Crew episode eight, no. Don't fix the landing. The clock is sticking, bro. Wait, wait, wait.

are we just doing a Star Wars? Doomsday clock? No, this is for all IP. Okay. So look, we got to do it. We got to doomsday clock episode. We have a Star Wars Tuesday clock. It's tough.

The Doomsay clock episode has to come after Captain America. Oh, that shit. Here's the thing. Oh, yeah. It's at 12 a.m. right now. Caps going stick it at 6 p.m. Y'all, we're a month away. The screenings will be in two weeks.

The screenings will be in two weeks. You got to have faith. You got to believe. No, you got to have faith. I've lost all faith. I saw that new clip. of Red Hulk punching cap. I'm like, me done.

He went like a pinball machine. We'll move on to nerd news, but I want to say something. Y'all, for as lukewarm as some of the buzz has been around, Brave New World, the Thunderbolts. Oh, I'm in. No, no, no, no, we're not doing it. We're not doing it.

I already see it, bro. I've already seen it. I've already seen it. We're not ready for Thunderbolts. We'll talk about it upon. But the Thunderbolts, Superman, Fantastic 4, they got a chance. There's a chance to come back, guys. Let's slow down.

But here's the thing. The gas for Thunderbolts is crazy. The only thing that worries me is, do we think enough niggas are going to care? Because the movie could be amazing, but they really. I don't know. James Gunn did the Suicide Squad, and that was a win in the sales. And that was during COVID. I think that we can do it.

Suicide Squad did not do love it. It was fine. It was COVID times. It was a good movie, but he was like a streaming thing. Okay, you want to rank that against the rest of D.C. And their catalog. Thunderbolts will open. I think both movies will open.

But Cap is coming down to the wire. During Black History Month, too, is crazy. During Black History Month, I was like, y'all could have dropped this in March. This is. That's a setup. Our people are down so bad. I believe it. have faith.

I have faith. Stop lying, y'all. I got to school. Look, I'm not the one that told the man to his face. I don't believe in him. So, oh, I said, whoa, don't rewrite his story. I said I believed in him. You'll get a chance to tell him again.

Don't worry, people are looking forward to it. Oh, wait. Charles, take away. Did I rematch? Oh, I'm leading nerd news? All right. Steve, play our music. All right, so, Hollywood's favorite in Snyder.

dropped a rumor milk shout out to the Instaniter you know go subscribe he was saying that there are rumors of FOIP that the MCU

the brasses at hand are thinking of recasting to Chala in time for the Avengers films now this has not been confirmed by Marvel obviously these are just rumors but we dropped it in the chat

we wanted to discuss so then as the last leader of the recast Chala movement. A lot of wind on your sales. How are you feeling? I feel like nothing. They already recasting them. This happened at the end of Waconda Forever.

Oh, with this, son? Yeah. Oh, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen Wakanda forever. When it came out 90 years ago. Yeah. So, yeah, they bring a new Chalala in. Look, you guys know we don't need to rehash.

I feel like they should have recast Chala in the last movie. I understand. I get why they couldn't do it. You guys were good with it? I wasn't. I think the most important thing from the announcement for me was that if true, there is a plan to bring some version of Tachala back to the MCU, which is very exciting for me. Guy has a gigantic, a guy, gigantic job to do. But that was exciting to hear. What about you What about you, Chuck? Yeah, so right. Just say something positive, Chuck.

Chuck, just say, what's the problem? What's the problem? What's the problem? What's the problem? Yeah, why? Wait, no, no, no. Where you let him? What's the problem?

What? You guys ask me my opinion. Yes, what is European? Why? Whoa. Yeah, why is it a rap? If we're really, because I've been given Star Wars to smoke, I at this point, everything after end game was a mistake.

And I do not. One thousand percent. Okay. Here's the thing. If we could go back in time and you can, like, I guarantee if I could go back in time and kill Hitler, like that's like my after end game moment. Like I would just be like, you know what? We're getting rid of all.

I don't trust. I don't trust. I don't trust. What? You're not, you got to make the point. You got to get to the point. No, that's the point. You guys with everything we've seen.

Oh my God, bro. You trust the current regime. You trust the current regime to recast the Chala and for it to work. Why not? Wait, why not? Wait. What was the last good movie, Marvel movie we saw? Okay.

All right. Oh, shit. I'm going to bring it to something that's like, I think the main question that I would have, if they were to do this and if they were to bring back to Chalah in some meaningful way for the Avengers films, it's why now versus why not in Black Panther 2. Well, because, look.

Fear? I don't know if it's fear. I look. They got, they just signed Chris Evans back up. Come on. Hold on. Well, so, I mean, and we can. I've thought about this

like ever since it happened and I think what it is is you create this you you you have a person like Chadwick embody you know Chala and Black Panther right and so

when he passes unexpectedly and it's like yo hey go run that go run that movie back the people in that space probably like ah it's not Like emotionally not up for it. And their heart's not up for it.

Right. And so it's easier to be like, yo, we're just not going to recast this guy. Versus, let's just make a movie without him. Let's try and, you know,

get past it that way. And that feels interesting because it's like, if they had, like, if they waited longer, maybe. But that's not, that's not up,

that's not me, though, right? Like, sure. I'm not, I'm not as close to the situation as they are. clearly they felt some type of way. There's nothing I could do.

Did Wakanda 2 or did Wakanda Forever suffer it? Probably. Right? But at the end of the day, you have to do what's in your heart. And that's what I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be judging for that. You got to do what's right for the pocketbook. And they're just like, you need to get another nigga in that fucking black man.

Maybe. Maybe. That's just, that's just, maybe. But the thing is they haven't, what Charles, they haven't done it yet. And you all were asking me how I feel about it. And I said there has been nothing that I have seen for damn near five, six years that tells me that I should be looking for this. I'm just going to be so frank. Here's the thing.

And I have to announce this right now. I'm putting all my chips in on DC. I know fucking Matt Reeves and James Gunn are beefing like Kendrick and Drake, but I don't care. They're going to figure it out. I'm Superman-pilled. We wait for Batman. This is the same nigga who couldn't finish the penguin. Nick, shut your ass.

The penguin sucked. The penguin sucked. And I'm not serious. It didn't suck. I'm glad Jomey called you out because you're lying. You're lying. What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

I was glad you called you out because you're lying. You're not. I am. Also, and I watched some nerd content over the holidays that I would give an 11 out of 20. Oh, really? What was that? Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Wallet and Gromit. Great on Netflix. Hell yeah. Are you a roof? Am I tripping? We, we, we,

we did a story where we said that Marvel was cast, to, like, it's a rap. What? It is.

It is. I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm like, all right, we can go after this. I don't understand how y'all still have been.

Like, it's like, cheat on me once, you know, damn, cheat on me twice. Like, shit.

But this is a new, but this is a new, but this is a new, new girl, though. No, it's not. It's a new girl. It's the same that ass. It's like, I like fool me once, bro. Come on. But you don't have faith in D.C.

You didn't watch. Whoa, I do have faith in D.C. You don't have faith. You don't have faith in D.C. Yes, I do. I do. I like the Superman trailer. Okay. I like, I think Matt Reeves and James Gunn are going to squash the beef. Did you watch Chris your commandos? Yeah, I can't. Yeah, see what you do it?

Yeah. Hey, Joe, let's stop the game. Please stop the cat. Don't play. Don't play stop the cat. Don't play stop the cat. Don't play stop the cat. Can I defend myself?

Can I defend myself? Oh my goodness. You're lying. Let's talk about. Can I defend myself? Oh, my God. Okay, first of all, first of all, I'm a grown-ass adult.

I'm not watching that shit. Second. What the fuck are you talking about? Nigel, are you watching this cartoon? What are you talking about? What are you doing? I got taste. I got taste,

not them type of cartoons. Jesus Christ. Not them type of. Ghost of Creature Commandos. If it had subtitles, you'd be locked it. If it was Japanese, you'd be locked in.

No, no, no, that's a lie. That's a lie. Because they'd be called, me and my creatures died and went to another world with there were cell phones and guns. You'd be locked in. They mean that Suicide Squad anime.

I didn't watch that fucking bullshit. They make that Batman anime shit. I don't watch that shit. That shit was good. Charles, you want to talk about Feathers McGraw? Oh, Feathers McGraw. I'd be rooting for Feathers McGraw. I'm not going to lie. That's a known criminal. Creature Commandos was great. And it was

there were some shocking moments in Creature Commandos and some reveals and shit. It was good. It was a lot of fun. It was good. I watched it over the break. You were the only one. It's a lot of fire. I locked it. We might have talked to one. of the creators for an interview one time. You know what I'm saying? It might drop. Who knows?

Speaking of this, let the fans know something. We got an episode coming up for you guys. It's a custody fight happening right now in D.C. Ah. Custody battle. Little baby. A little baby, little baby Batman. Baby Bruce.

Little baby Bruce. Little baby Bruce Batman's little custody battle. Two dads. One is James Gunn. One is Matt Reeves. We're going to have Midnight Family Court. Family court?

Midnight family court. Who should get custody of Batman? It's coming up. Midnight family. I don't even know. I don't know what the sides are. We got to figure it out. We might all be on the same side.

Who's on? Who's on what side, though? I'm on Matt Reef's side. Oh, here's the thing. Here's the thing. They got to let, they got to let Pattinson, badson,

go get over to the DCU. We don't need to bat, man, come on, yeah. Come on. Okay, so the thing is, we got figure out who's on what side, council and co-counsel,

and we're going to try to bring in a judge from an other place from the ring. Well, this is a custody battle. Is this, less you're right I'm wrong and it's more so what's best for the child. Yes. What's best for the kid. What is best for the child.

And Batman is the kid. Batman is the kid. It's what's best for the kid. It's not the only time parents have fought over Bruce right ever. It's what we based it on. It's stability. It's which place is going to give the child

a better home. Where does a child have a better future? Where does it's a custody battle? Two dads. one kid. A little baby Batman. Okay, little baby. And we're going to use all,

everything got our disposal. It's coming soon. It's coming soon. Charles, you're DC peeled now. I'm DC-Pilled. We'll be expected. DC-Pill.

Didn't watch Creature Commandos didn't watch the pain one, but he's locked it all the way in. Guys, guys, guys, I was watching a lot of Twin Peaks. And my, like, who, like, real question, before we go, if you could hang out with any fictional group of white people from television.

I'm talking about Sopranos, Twin Peaks, Mad Men, what would be the group? It's not the Spranos group, okay. Oh, I would, I would love hanging out with the Supreme. No, you wouldn't. What? You'd be a worst. You'd be seven muleons before you even get like, you were, hey, hey, Paul. You kidding me?

Hey, Pauley, who's the fucking moly? Y'all, y'all would have to go to the bottom thing one time? Like, who's the fucking molyans? That's a special level of racism, dog. I gotta look like a light skin nigga who went out with Meadow and that episode wasn't. That nigga got to play. These blacks.

No, you don't want to hate these blacks. Oh, wait, or the new girl? New girl or Twin Peaks? I was about to say New Girl. New Girl's great. I never watched New Girl before. You've never watched New Girl, then? Nah.

New Girl's good, TV. I never watched New Girl before. This is a great question. I'm trying to think about this. The rest of the development family is obviously a great hang. also. God forbid. Not friends. Nobody from France. Not, not. Nah. Not down. Too messy.

Maybe Larry David and them from Curb. Larry Dave from Curb? Then he still got J.B. Smooth there. That's good. Maybe, maybe them from Kerb. I like my psych homies. You know, Sean Juliet. There you go. Those are my people. How many episodes of Syc have you watched them? Brother, every single one. What are you talking about?

That's my favorite show of all. That's my favorite show of all time. Yeah. Maybe the crew from Lioness I'll be able to do Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't want to hang out with the Sopranos, but you're going to hang out with the motherfuckers from Lioness? They're not racist.

They got black people in there. Yeah, and they always blowing up your shit. Yeah, I want to do some special ops. Lioness with that shit. The folks from community, I hang out, study, study real-muff. Absolutely. About Chevy Chase's fucking racist ass? He racist, man.

He got, you know, Donald Glover. Strow McHale, you know, Allison Bree. Come on, man. That's why you want to hang out there. Because it's a bill. Relax. Need you relax. I think I might want to, I think I might want to hang out with the two broke girls.

Easy, easy. All right. Well, thanks for coming, everybody. Ladies and gentlemen. Here's the thing. Great unwokening leads to the Great Milkening. We're no longer shame. The Great Milkening is, oh, indeed.

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bro we can write up we get right so it's a rap everything is a it's a rap with his name

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On this show You love to bring nothing to joy Charles loves Japan and we're naming this, the ghosts of the midnight boys. Okay, quickly, hold on. I want you guys to clap when you hear four, okay? Okay. One, two, three, four.

Again, John. Why was that slow-ass clap, Jome? Joe, just, I need to know if there's a delay. Okay. On four. On four? When you hear four. Four, clap.

Okay. One, two, three. four. That's fine. Okay. Cool. Is it on four or after four? Four, right? We said on four.