The Ringer-Verse - ‘Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse’ Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

Let's do this one more time! The Midnight Boys have returned to The Ringer-Verse to give our instant reactions and feelings to the rousing ‘Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse’ (10:32). They talk about the stand-out spiders and the rip-roaring plot and mind-bending animation in this highly anticipated blockbuster. Later they discuss the future of Spider-Man at Sony and the benefits of joining (and not joining) the MCU (87:53). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Steve Ahlman, and Jomi Adeniran Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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cold baby chuck, the 24-carat closer, aka the brunch haughty, aka Galaxy Brain. Together, we are known as a midnight boy. Boys. Follows on socials.

Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomey's job. The Celine S7. Parisian Jomey. Parisian Jomi. Parisian Jomi. Oh. Yeah.

Out here, I heard he was worse, he was worse than Drake in these streets. I'm hearing like there's about to be a lot of little joys with an international passport. I don't think I think that is true. Are we going to get... None of that is true. We need a recap, Joe.

We're going to get some Binet colored Jomis. Yes. None of that. None of that is true. I don't know where you heard that. Who makes the discreet that exposes Jomey's secret family?

Oh, Kai. Easily, Kai. Yeah. That would be so funny. Guy. Jesus Christ. Does the story of Added on? France was great, man.

I had a blast. Had a great time in the city Paris. It was just an elite elite trip. Can't get too into the details. Were the Parisians into the summer of the five inch warrior? Were they going nuts? Oh, man, you know, man, listen, all I'm going to say is, you know, when you bring out

the five inch in seam shorts, you know what time is. Talk that top. Tomi. Jomey's jet lag like a motherfucker right now. I don't know. Are you telling me, bro? Jomi's jet. I ain't get no sleep.

I was in Sweden in France for 10 days. I didn't get one good night of sleep. Jomey and I were in Sweden and we were both at a place that I won't disclose, but it's going to be be who of us to not be asleep at this one thing. And Jomey is in the back audibly snoring. Knocked up during an important, during a fairly important thing. You all want to have the Russell in Sweden? This is nasty work, bro.

Jesus Christ. This is nasty. All right. Programming. This Monday, the House of Ravar will be giving you their deep dive into Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys come back with our time travel draft. We're going to draft movies.

There was some talk about whether or not it should be movies or characters. And then it was, we came to the decision that basically every character in the history of fam doesn't have time travel. Has time travel. They have all time travel. So we can't do characters that have time travel, although we could do characters that time travel is a part of them. Like there's a difference between a time travel character and a character who is time travel. You know what I mean?

So would Marty McFly count in both categories or is he only a character that has time travel? He doesn't exist except for time travel. No one cares. if Marty McFlyde never like time travel he'd be the most popular bar recording act in Hill Valley

he'd be the guy that plays the cover brand in Hill Valley you know no one would care his whole life is based around time travel so he is the epitome of a time travel character Doctor Who time travel character you know I mean there are more time travel characters but like it's a difference between the time travel character

and a character to travel through time. You guys would agree or no? I mean, sure. Yeah, like time traveler as almost like a borderline occupation. I think Loki would be a time travel character at this point. Yeah. Because the show is all based around that now. Even before that, even in the movie, in the last, in end game, he's time travel.

Like, yeah. Let's just do movies. It'll be simple. Willie, we're going to get in. We're going to get out. We're going to do a time travel draft. Next Friday, Min Edition returns to give you their reactions to Transformers, Rise of the Beasts, which I've

vehemently protested to. And I'll just go ahead. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you doing right now? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? That's how you sound. This is Steve. You're just mad that you're not talking about

Beast Wars right now. I'll come on the podcast on these wars. I'll like, what's what you're doing? Like, I thought that we should have all talked about Beast Wars, but the 5-inch Warrior made a power play. I made a comp. And now you guys get to talk about Beast Wars.

I'm very excited about Beast Wars. But shout out to the Min Edition boys who get to talk about it. Hopefully, you guys will also get to do secret invasion when it comes out. There'll just be a men edition. Well, I would like to say a special thank you to Steve and Jomey for taking that transformer-sized bullet because I will be happy not to discuss. Or everything. He doesn't want to do it. He doesn't want to talk about it.

But before we move on, we should get a little quick. How was Sweet? Did you guys have fun at intro days, Spotify situations? Oh, yes. We had a great time. It was my first time traveling like that since COVID. And it was really special. I really miss traveling abroad.

And it was an absolutely beautiful town. Amazing art, amazing people, amazing food. I ate bear meat. You were eating grizzly bear out there, Steve? Yeah. It's tasty. Yeah. Jesus.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It's like really gamey deer It's great So you enjoyed that So you went all the way over there And yogi had to die Because you're like He was already dead

He was Yeah he had a cold I mean yeah You ate him And now there'd just be more killing Of yoges Going on over there I'm glad you guys

Revenant Steve over here Joe Yeah I'm not alive That bear He need to get his ass So she needs to get her ass kicked That bear did too much

Because let me tell you about Revenant bear I understand At some point She was just having fun. She was counseling on this man. No, cocaine bear was having fun. Nah, cocaine bear was, I can give cocaine bear.

We should do a, we should do a, we should do a bad crazy animals. I'm serious. Wait, top crazy animals draft? We should do on the ring of verse. We should do a top animals in fandom or a top crazy animals draft. Wait, can we do that next week? I would do, I would kill a crazy animal draft. I don't know about crazy animals.

but like just animals. Like we should do a top animals in fandom draft. Think about that. We got all, think about the animals that could be drafted. You know what I mean?

We got top animals. We got some animals that just made their debut. You know what I mean? We got some animals. I think we should do top animals in fandom. Wait, there should be a house in midnight.

We can't let, like the house are got to cook on this. You know what I'm saying? We do an animal draft without them. Yeah, we can't do an animal draft without math. So Joe is not. We'll put that in the works.

We'll put that in the works. Joe is not as into animals. Joe is kind of like the high evolutionary. Oh my God. Wait, don't do Joe like that, bro. The Jovana experience.

Wait, what would you do if we all went to like Joe in his house and we just see like a little raccoon. And he's like, you know. He's like, help me. See, Joe is so sweet.

Joe is such a nice person. You could just. See, we go over time. She lived, hold on. She lives in the bay. She's a, is she a tech bro with animal technologies? Oh, man. Is she up there in Silicon Valley?

No, I don't do like this. High evolutionary Robinson. Wow. She went to the fjords. See, everybody left Sweden, but then Joe stayed. She stayed in Scandinavia, probably because she was looking for new animals. You know what I mean? Oh, my God.

This is all jokes. I love her almost more. than anyone in the world. So this is what we should do. That should be a house of midnight. It should be an animal draft. The only thing is now that Mal is involved, it's going to go to highly competitive animal draft situation.

Very quickly. Like really quick. So now we have to all bone up for it. But yes, Animal Draft next week, if you guys all say, if it works, we'll do that because that's actually pretty fun. Okay, on today's show, though, we're going to be giving you our instant reactions to Spider-Man. across the Spider-verse,

D-A, across the Spider-Ver. And just let you know, we're going to be spoiling everything in the history of Spider-Man. The entire thing will be spoiled. Jomi, do you have anything specific that you're going to spoil for Spider-Man? I'm going to spoil the ending of Spider-Verse comics,

a Spider-Geddon comics, one more day, pretty much anything Peter Parker-related is getting spoiled in this year podcast. Wagon, anything specifically you're going to spoil for Spider-Man? No. Not at all. I know how these people do me. So now. Exactly. I'm spoiling the Spider-Man show from the 70s.

Spider-Man and his amazing friends with Firestar and Ice Man. Everything I've ever seen in red. Your lunchboxes, fuck you guys all. Now. And Miss Lion, don't. Damn, disrespect to Miss Lion. Oh, Miss Lion. It's true. Steve will be spoiling the regular amount of stuff. He loves to spoil things. And here's a spoiler warning. We're getting right. Ready to talk about Spider-Man.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, and this is your Midnight Manifest for Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, directed by Hakeen Dost Santos, K. Powers, and Justin K. Thompson, written by Philip Lord, Christopher Miller, and David Callahan, starring Shemke Moore, Haley Steinfeld, Brian Tyree Henry, Luna Lauren Valiz, Jake Johnson, and Oscar Isaac. On Earth 65, Gwen is having

trouble juggling her life as Spider-Woman in her relationship with her father, Captain Stacy, believe Spider-Woman killed Peter Parker. During a break-in at the Guggenheim, Gwen faces off against a multiverseal Renaissance-era vulture and meets two spider people, Miguel O'Hara and Jessica Dree, will help her take the villain down. Jessica and Miguel give Gwen a mushyed chance to escape her universe and help them with their mission to stop the multiverse from breaking. Meanwhile, on Earth 1610, Malth struggles to balance his life as broken Spider-Man with his responsibilities to his family. After being late to a parent-teacher conference and his dad's police, Captain celebration, thanks to a running with the spot, Miles is grounded.

Gwen shows up right in time to accidentally embroil Miles in a new adventure, which sees Miguel O'Hara's collection of spider people trying to stitch the multiverse back together at the event of the original Spiderverse, while also stopping the spot whose interdimensional powers are growing in his quest to prove he's worthy of being Miles's arch-enemy. On the earth of 2009, Miles meets Miguel's Spider Society and learns of canon events, which are life experiences that need to happen to keep realities from breaking. Miles learns that his dad is destined to die and that the Spider Society wants him to do nothing about it. A chase ensues through Nueva, New York, with Miles successfully escaping the Spider Society.

Unfortunately, Miles is transported to Earth 42 by mistake and meets an evil doppaganger version of himself. That's the prowler in this universe. Also, Miles' dad is dead here instead of his unclear. Against the wishes of the Spider Society, Gwen makes it her mission to find Miles and recruits her own Spider-Team to help her do it. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Spider-Man across the Spider-verse. All right.

So back into the Spider-Verse, Instant Reactions, Chuck Wagon. I don't often feel this way in a movie, but I felt like I was levitating. Like, this was a movie that I enjoyed so much. Like, I was like, I felt like the spider electricity was running through my veins. This, the movie, the movie is so beautiful. And I think my worry is that, like, we've been living in, like, the world that the Spider-Verse created for so long now where like every animated movie you see has hints of spiderverse whether it's aesthetically even storytelling wise live action we're doing all these things that we're going to the multiverse

the mcc u's doing it all this fucking shit and i was like wondering i'm like can spiderverse still recapture that magic and capture lightning in a bottle and like they just did this movie in every way is just as expansive just as lush they're pushing what just a movie can be in 2023 and I just want to applaud all the directors, all the creators, because I was not expecting to love this just as much as I love the original. What about you, Ben?

I liked it a lot. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed the movie. I thought the highs of the highs in this film were as high, if not higher than they were in, into the Spider-Verse, which is very difficult

with a film that was as inventive and as cutting edge in terms of not just animation, but the storytelling, the multiversal storytelling that they endeavored into into the movie,

and to come back and to, you know, have that same success and be as ambitious, be as daring, and try to have the same amount of heart. I thought they did a really great job. I had a lot of fun with this movie.

Men, boys. How did y'all feel? I mean, you already know what I'm going to say about this movie. Real cinema. That's really what it is. That's real cinema right there, ladies and gentlemen. Like, I got in there, didn't really know what I was expecting. You know, you hope that they could reach the heights of the first movie.

But, you know, in the back of your head, you're like, hey, man, you know, you can't always hit a grand slam when you're up to bat. You know what I'm saying? Whatever happens, we'll let it rock. and this movie delivered on all levels, just delivered. It was darker than I was expecting, but at the same time, like, it all worked, and I just left the movie being so, so, so deeply happy with what I got. It was just really, really incredible, and I honestly can't believe they really, like, not did it again.

It's honestly shocking how incredible this movie is. Jomey, I will say something real quick and I wouldn't be me if I didn't say it. It is in fact true that you can't always hit a grand slam when you're up to bat because you need three guys on base. And that's just not going to, if you get up to bat

every time and the bases are loaded, then what you actually have is one of the greatest offenses in baseball history. So yes, it's going to be impossible to hit a grand slam. Can you relax? I thought you were going to like extend the metaphor, but you were just being very literal. I'm just saying, no, you can't hit a Grand Slam every time.

Very true. Show me. Can you show on Jetlag Joni? Situational. Jet lag J-J. Steve, how'd you feel? Kind of stunned. For all the reasons that we've all said that we had a lot of fun, this is like a not only a return

to form, but like in some ways a improvement on what Into the Spider-Verus was. And it's shocking that they can do this twice. that not only were like were we like kind of understanding what par for the course was for this movie like in terms of plot and what our initial setup was but the fact that we could still be wowed and surprised by

something that we kind of thought we had a beat on that as much as we've seen and lauded and praised into the Spider-Verse all these years now on the sequel to it is still just as surprising, just as refreshing, just as exhilarating, and just as new as this first one. And to know that they'll probably do this a third time

is insane to think that this is so effortless of a film to just dunk on more or less everything that's come before is truly astounding. To see these three directors that you named in the manifest, Charles, to think that this wasn't directed by like 8,000 people by the sheer like metric tons of movie that's in this movie that still carries us each way, I'm stunned. It's amazing.

So visually, the film is even more out there than the first. What stood out to you guys about the movie visually? When the first movie came out, what all the critics were saying, what we were all saying is like, this is a movie that actually feels like reading a comic book. And they take that in the second one. And they're like, no, instead of it just being every character is going to look like it's designed by a different artist.

When we go to these worlds, we are going to make the entire world look different. When we go to Spider-Gwen's world, it looks like the actual Spider-Gwen comics. There are moments when the background is just like dripping with pain. And I'm like, what, like, you just see the brushstrokes. And it's just visually one of the most stunning things I've seen in any cinema in years. But when they go to Spider-Man India, even, the way you see the world and, like, how it's designed and just the care. To your point, Steve, like, not only is there so much movie in this movie, like, every character is almost their own orbit. They move differently.

They are drawn differently. Like, I'm not a big fan of, like, Ben Riley's Spirons. rider man, but just seeing how they drew him like a 90s character and he was like narrating like a 90s kind of perfect pose. I'm in the alley and I was just like this is

this fucking on another level. Yeah, yeah. Look, so I loved the visuals of the movie. I will say at times I did get a little overwhelmed. There were times where I was like, wow,

there is just a hell of a lot being thrown at me right now. I mean, you know what I mean? It's like, at certain times, the thing for me about the original Spider-Verse movie was that it was so emotional. And as brilliant as the animation was and as new as it was, for me, it never really took away from

what I thought was the enduring quality of that movie which was just an unbelievable story of someone coming of age. Even the villain, Kingpin, had relatable motivations, fathers and sons,

mothers and husbands, wives and husbands, all of that stuff. That was really what kind of wrote me in there. This movie has less of that kind of appeal to me. It does. Really? Yeah, it does. To a very small degree, I would agree.

I would, I don't know. This movie has less of that appeal to me, but it has more the visual wow. And I think they compensated a little bit sometimes. So the visuals were fantastic, but there were times where I felt assaulted by what I saw on the screen. Charles, what you got for me?

I think emotionally, while this movie is not like a perfect, 10, like the other movie. I think they did a very, very good job of, like, grounding the story. Because if we're being real, the first movie, we don't really get to see that much of, like, Miles' mom. It is very much a story about, like, fathers and sons. And, like, it is a very masculine story.

Not in a bad way, but it's just, like, Miles has to realize what it is to be a man, to replace someone, to replace people. Parker, he loses his uncle, all of these things. And I thought what this movie has in spades is that, like, Spider-Gwen gets, like, an amazing amount of, like, just emotional depth. Meeting her father, knowing what she's been through, everything she's lost. She's a fully fleshed-out character. I thought Rio, Miles's mom, I was just like, though, this is such a brilliant character. This is a different flavor than we got from the dad. I do agree with you that I think at some point the action does take center stage, but I still left this movie feeling

like this is a very smart movie about what it means to be a teenager, what it means to be alienated, what it means to be a personal color. Like, I think they handled it almost as well as you can in a sequel that is this huge. As balanced and as like well thought out as we know into the Spider-verse was, it almost feels quaint when paired next to this movie. Everything is dialed up to an 11 as far as like emotional stakes and visuals and drama, all of that stuff.

It's still done head and shoulders above anything that we've seen before in this genre superhero medium, I might say ever. But we can still say that like there's like a tiny tiny bit of the intimacy

in a story like Into the Spider verse did, the first film that did it a little bit more tightly. Again, it really sounds like we might be brushing against this movie. I loved every second of this. But it's just more, like, there are different sorts of approaches to this movie that are like really good. Right. Okay, so here's the thing.

I enjoyed the movie a lot, but like, if we talk about what happens in the film, it's different, right? So this film starts off with Gwen fighting. Gwen and her dad, Gwen in the band, Gwen fighting vulture. The vulture sequence with Gwen fighting vulture with Miguel and Spider Woman goes on for a very long time. Okay. And then after that, there's another scene when we finally get to Miles with Miles fighting spot that goes on again for a long time. And I was wondering in both cases what the purpose of having those two scenes being as drawn out as what they were. like what was the point of it.

In the original film, which I'm not comparing the movie to the original, it's its own film, but what I'm saying is emotionally, all of that stuff that, all of those action pieces that were talking about that lasted for as long as they did, all of that stuff is character. All of that stuff is painting with your uncle. It's all like getting to know your uncle, your uncle died. All of that stuff is character. So the movie has a different ethos to me. Like this movie is bigger.

There's some fat in this film that didn't exist in the first movie. It's a sequel. There always is. It's almost like comparing Spider-Man 1 to Spider-Man 2. That's kind of how I look at these two movies. They're of almost equal. In ways Spider-Man 2, of course, is superior to Spider-Man 1, but in ways Spider-Man 1 is better.

You know what I mean? And so, like, there's these movies that they're equals in a way, but like, you got to sacrifice something. This is a very big movie. There's some fat in it. There's some fat in it and some things that, like, when you just kind of boil it down, at least to me and to Colico who saw it with me, there was, you could tell they were trying to go bigger and harder and better. And to me, one of the things that got sacrificed up, I would argue. that there's still not much of Miles's mom in the movie. The movie is still about Miles

and his relationship with his dad trying to save his dad, and when we look around, it's the fathers or the captains in all of these situations that die. And the mother is kind of thrown into the movie as a sort of rudder for him

that you kind of see. But she's not, I wouldn't, she's not like as consequential. She's not any more consequential in this film than she was in the last film, except from my firm view. She's the thematic,

like, it is her character that introduces us to like the thematic thrust of this when she's telling Miles. Like, hey, when you go out in the world, they might,

like, people might not understand you. They may not love you. They may not accept you, like the way that we do. So make sure that you always come back home. This is always where you have a place. Now I will agree.

There's not a lot of Rio in this movie, but the amount that is, she carries a lot of the emotional weight that in the previous movie was reserved for like Miles's dad, Miles' uncle. I would say the same thing about Captain Stacey and Gwen. That's probably if I had to like nitpick anything,

there are too many Spider-Man in this movie. And I'm not talking about like, oh, there's a bunch of Spider-Men running around. I'm like, Spider-Gwen has to get her moment. Miguel O'Hara got to get his moment. Miles got to get his moment. We got to get Peter B. Parker in there. You know what?

I mean, where to your point, if there's any fat, it's just like, yo, if you serve 10 or 15 characters at a certain point, like, there's a certain point where like Spot drops out of this movie, like, we're like, oh, Spot is the villain, and then he just does not show up for like the last 90 minutes. I mean, and this is, I mean, we're specifically talking about the emotion of the movie, and this is kind of where all of that stuff comes in. I mean, it's like, emotionally, the movie is giving you more white. Wow.

So whenever a film gives you more wow, there's always going to be a little less a bit. I mean, they put Donald Glover in the movie, which was very cool. But like the first movie didn't have any designs on doing anything like that. Like they didn't try nothing like that. And it was it. They weren't at all trying to be this movie has to because it's a sequel. And so they want more people to see it.

They want more spectacle. But the first movie had absolutely. zero pretension. I mean, the Spider-Man that we all know, Peter Parker, that guy dies in the first scene of the movie. So this movie isn't trying, the first film wasn't trying to do anything,

anything to make you comfortable or to be like, wow, or whatever, it was all about the story. And this film is just a little bit less, that they do a little bit less of that. Jami, you haven't jumped in in in a second. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, feel that the film like does a good job

of balancing like we we don't get much of like the other characters from the first film in terms of like Penny Spider-Ham like Spider-Noire all those dudes like they show up in cameos whatnot but it's really just we get

Spider-Gwen backstory right I feel like the movie is I don't say her story but the movie bookends like between her and her father, their fight, and then once they come together, she realizes what it is she has to do to then become, like, a good friend of Miles, and that's where the movie ends, right? Like, it's her arc.

And I feel like this movie is, I mean, we'll talk about it later, but, like, it's really like a part one for Miles because movie ends with him, like, stuck with, like, another version of himself who he can't believe is that type of person, right? And so I kind of feel like we're looking at it as, you know, we're looking at it as, you know, rightfully so as like one film. But in terms of for Miles' arc, this is going to go on for another two, three hours the next time we see them, right? And so I guess-

Yeah, but we can only react to what's on the script. Which I'm not saying is a problem, but I'm saying that like, that's how, like, the movie, you know, stops in the middle of his arc. We can't, you know, we can't sit here and say like, oh, man, you know, this, they didn't really do this when there's still like two and a half hours off to go. Which again, like, I'm not blaming you guys for that. I'm just, I'm just looking at it.

I'm just looking at it differently, I guess. So, let's talk specifically about Miles Morales. He's a little bit older. He's got big shoulders, dude. Got big shoulders, man. Like, some Dwight Howard's shoulders, man. And Miles, like, see,

Miles was doing this thing. You know, he's, he hasn't perfected his Spider-Man abilities, but he is an incredibly competent Spider-Man at this point. We have to, and it's interesting with somebody who's a teenager, they're consistently putting out new versions of themselves every six months to a year. Like teenagers update like your iPhone does. You meet a teenager at 13, and then you come back, and it's, ah, I went to sleep and there was an update.

And there's, ah, I went to sleep and there's an update. I went to sleep and there's an update. I'm like, God damn, bro. Like, I just talked to you. How could you be where the hell did the mustache come from? Doc? I was just talking to you, dog. So Miles, we get a little bit more of an update on him.

Charles, what did the film do to kind of get us back in touch with Miles that worked so much for you? I appreciated that they didn't, to your point, like, they didn't make Miles, like, super competent overnight. like he's still learning, he is still awkward. And I think the thing that was like, it hurt, even like realizing it, but like the movie kind of like slowly shows that like,

Miles doesn't have any friends. Like Miles is alone. Like there is a toll. It's not the Peter Parker story, but there is this undercurrent of like, there's this kid who doesn't know who he wants to be and this feeling of loneliness that I think is a very universal experience, especially when you're a teenager, where it's like, the friends that I do have are moving away.

They're growing up. I might not be invited to the party. I might not be able to go away. Like, there's like this summer camp. Like, I remember sometimes, like, I have white friends. They'd be going to do all this rich shit. And I'd be like, damn, like, I just want, I want the invite. Like, I want to go away to this fucking magical-ass fucking camp.

And, like, I felt, I felt for miles just being like, dog, you're stuck in New York. his friends ain't calling him back I got to I'll get to this later Peter B Parker I'm really I'm really upset with him like he got a new kid and he forgot about the original one

he's like Nick Cannon like you know what I'm saying he was just like bro he's a big wife guy he's a big wife guy he wasn't checking up on Miles like he should have been he could have been a more proactive mentor in my opinion hmm you wanted to see him continue to be

involved with Miles what you're saying is some fathers won't even cross town to see their kids and he should have crossed the universe entire universe dimensions and stuff like that

with that Spider-Man on his head with McGillowar on his head yeah okay yeah sure um the Jomi Steve Miles

catching up with him how did it feel? It felt good to be back felt good to be back man like I said like a dude hit like a second level his shoulders got too big I was like, how are you going to fill into the suit?

But the man was doing his thing. It was nice to see him. You know, when he last, like you said, he last left him off. He was not really like a good Spider-Man. He just, like, learned his powers. And then what is it, like a year and six months, so like 18 months. And he'd be inspired man. Like, you can see like, hey, man, he's been working on his game.

He'd been in the gym, you know, putting up 200 shots. You know what I'm saying? Doing the work. But ultimately, it's not the, I love about this. It's not always about, like, him becoming a better, like, Spider-Man in terms of, like, his powers and, like, just becoming stronger. He was about, like, him trying to figure out his place with his parents and with his friends. And, like, that's really, like, the crux of it. And I love that part.

I just, I love, like, the scene in the beginning. You talked about the fight going on so long. He spends, like, a lot of it talking with his father, talk with his parents about, like, hey, I don't want to be, I don't want to be limited here. I'm trying to, literally, I'm trying to spread my wings, right? And he spends the guidance counselor talk with his mom and his dad and the fight with his father, or not the fight with his father, or not the fight with his father, against spot with his father. And they have that conversation in there, and he's like, well, how's your son? He's like, man, my son, he's killing me, man.

He's like, he's like, well, why don't you let him, you know, go out and spread his wings? And they have that, you know, conversation that they would never have. would never have as just father and son, right? But because he's got the mask on, he's got the level of confidence to be like, hey, look, maybe you should let your son spread his wings. And I just love that, you know, I mean, you could say that the fight went out too long, but I think it's a very, it's a very well done demonstration of how to, you know, keep, you know, how to differentiate between Miles when he's out to suit, you know, talking to his parents. in the room versus Miles in the suit, you know, just being Spider-Man and talking to Jeff Davis like that.

And a very incredibly, incredibly problematic name. Tough. So it's really, I was reading it last night. Because when I first thought, I was like, y'all don't know where that name was from? And apparently a couple years ago, they changed it in the comics. I think, I don't know if it's like this is a movie,

but his name is, they change it to Jeff Morales. He takes his wife's name because Jefferson Davis. I'll be honest with you. You got to do research. That type of thing right there makes you wonder if people be playing with you. You know, they make this whole black situation. But they're like, we're going to make the dad's name, Jefferson Davis.

You know what I'm saying? It's tough. It's like a weird thing. It's like, we give you a brand new black door. His name is Bull Connor. Wait, before we get off the parents, I got to be real. I was kind of agreeing with the spot in like Miguel. Like I saw Rio and I can't lie.

Miles' mom has got it going on. I was just like, just kill that motherfucker. Like she like, I could step off. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Be the father who stepped up? Hell yeah. That's crazy.

She's bad. She bad. Yeah, just be a father who stepped up. That's crazy. I don't just, listen, I don't disagree with you. All I'm saying is that's Miles' dad has some respect. He had his time in the son. He's like, he's at his time.

All right? Come on, man. Something else. Look, look at this. So here's the deal. Let me tell you what I appreciated about this movie with Miles Morales, but specifically getting to know Miles again. This movie does something that's pretty amazing.

With all of these different Spider-Men, cool Spider-Man, some Spider-Man that are just like, you know, they're the fuck with you. It almost seems like you come away from this movie, even with all the Spider-Man that they have, including Gwen. thinking that Miles Morales is Spider-Man. And that's very difficult to do, right?

It's very difficult to do. That's very difficult to do in the movie that's throwing this much at you because the movie is essentially asking you to believe that every Spider-Man is the Spider-Man of their story. And then at the same time, making you believe that not just because

this is Miles' story, but because of something about Miles. And of course, we know that Miles is an anomaly, and other things that this Spider-Man is Spider-Man. Like, he seems like he is Spider-Man, and that was really well done in this film. With just emotionally it was well done. From a character standpoint, it was well done.

And also from an action and just superhero movie, trope, this is the guy who's willing to take the risk type of situation as well, distinguishing him as the Spider-Man of this film was done incredibly well about the filmmakers. Steve, you look like you're about to jump in. Again, like the shocking thing that the movie does to like A, establish that Miles is our de facto prime, definitive Spider-Man is when he's held up against

all of these things that make Spider-Man Spider-Man, the tropes, the cannon events, the captains, quote-unquote, all of the things that become ubiquitous, not only just for the idea of Spider-Man, but like superhero origins and canon in general, the zeitgeist of what makes a superhero, all of these things are patterns, all of these things reiterate,

all of these things are, as the film is trying to tell us, not special. And at every point, Miles proves that he is special. He is the anomaly. He is the thing that will change this. He's the thing that can change it. And to make us all believe that those things are possible when we get every sort of info dump and every sort of iteration

and every sort of permutation of what can make a Spider-Man and a Spider-Man on paper, he's still going to be the one in his heart to try to make the better decision for all of those things. And when, and that's what makes Spider-Man is Spider-Man. Every time that we've endeared ourselves to any form of Spider-Man, the origin story of Peter Parker, the story of Gwen Stacy,

all of those things. The idea is that it kind of sucks to be Spider-Man because you're sacrificing so much to help all of those people because of your responsibility. And Miles is still coming to grips with the fact that I can have it all and do both,

which is classic Spider-Man, because that's all he does. That's all any Spider-Man ever does. I hate it. What do you mean? Hate it. Let me tell you what I hate. Every time

Spider-Man does something and leaves the people in his life hanging in the lurch, I get the shit annoyed out of me. It may die so the green gama could live kind of a thing. It's just like I get the shit

annoyed out of me. Every time Spider-Man does that. The older I get, the harder it is for me to really relate to Spider-Man. You know, we save the Green Goblin and all of these villains. Your aunt dies. Your dad is having a party to celebrate being a captain,

but you got to stop a motherfucker that's trying to steal shoes. Fuck them shoes. Like, it's like the dude run away with the shoes. Like, when you're trying to save Nike? Nike don't care. You choose. It's like, go to the party. Like, sure, the roly-poly guy saying in the middle way of the thing,

jump out there, get his ass out of the middle of it. but it gets harder for me to watch, oh, I'm Spider-Man, so that means I have to stop every single crime in New York City and put that in front of my family. The older I get, the more responsibility I get in my life.

Sometimes I got to be like, yo, fuck it. I got to go with my mom in them for a second. And another thing that kind of got to me was his parents seemed to feel the same way about him. This nigga got into Princeton. He didn't get into Princeton.

He got to a Princeton program. Whatever. His mom says it's good schools in Brooklyn. God damn it. This is what's holding us back as a culture. Oh, my God. Jersey's too far away. Jersey's too far away.

It's good schools in Brooklyn. I'm like, what the shit? You know, so I'm looking at the family dynamic, and I get that some of it happens. Maybe I'm outgrowing the hay. I got to put saving the Green Goblin over my aunt. I'm chilling with my grandmother yesterday. Man, Green Goblin could have the city.

I'm not giving up my grandmother for, like, for nobody. Jomi's shaking his head. It's because that's the Spider-Man thing. That's what he does. That's why he's always pouring fucked up, Jomey, because he can't, like, he can't be responsible. Like, fuck the city, bro. It's too, like,

Like, for him. Uncle Ben, like, it's a candid event. Uncle Ben, your uncle dies, and you have to now then put everything ahead of making sure that you never feel that way again, right? So you take up the entire New York, Queens, Brooklyn, whatever it is, and you're like, this is my city. Green Goblin, I'm sorry, Mary Jane. We can't, you know, I can't, I'm going to be late for all our dates because I got to go fight

green goblin out there or I got to go fight. the big wheel, or I got to go fight, vulture, no matter what it is, no matter what the causes, Spider-Man has to do it, because, you know, nobody else will. I feel like that with great power comes great responsibility is the biggest, like, classically misinterpreted ethos for a superhero to have because, like,

he keeps thinking that he's bound by that responsibility when, like, he doesn't have, like, personal responsibility to himself. And, like, that's, like, kind of the key. thing that he always misses and is the biggest deterrent in his life. I think he said great responsibility. He didn't say with great power comes absolute responsibility. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?

He said great. He took that absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, save the city. But do stealing from the Nike store against your father going, just go to the got, whatever, man. I want to touch on something y'all said really quick. Is Miles in this movie?

like a tiger woods figure where it's just like he's like a black person coming into like a white like a white field everybody else hates him there's just like get this motherfucker away he loves white women

like is he just kind of like is he like a tiger woods where like all the Spider-Men are like yo shut up bro like just follow along play the way we've been playing you know what I mean Cocker Blasian I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't put him that.

I wouldn't, maybe not that far, but not unfar. He's young. He's showing up a lot of older, older white Spider-Men. They don't like it. They want to keep him down. Well, him and Spider-Punk are viving. I got to talk about the agenda with Spider-Pum, bro. We got it.

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and she has a much more central role in the movie at the beginning, which was fine. You are a leader, bro. What's wrong with you, dude? You're a fucking hater, man. Oh, man. You didn't like any part of that opening. Not really.

Really? It was, it was, it was fun. I'm like, can we get to, you know what I'm saying? Jomey. I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, okay, so Peter Parker is the lizard. And, you know, to her dad.

is trying to find Spider-Women and, you know, she, she, the solution is actually to tell her dad that she's Spider-Women. That's actually the solution to the problem. The problem is the dad thinks Spider-Woman killed Peter Parker. The solution to that problem is actually to say that I am Spider-Woman because, or Spider-Gwen, because I wouldn't have killed Peter Parker. That's actually the solution to the problem. She never does that because teenage angst. She never does that. Doing that would ruin that. She does do that. Yeah.

Way, no, no. She doesn't really do it. She does it under gunpoint, okay? Like, she does it at gunpoint. That's like getting your girl flowers after she's complained that she never got flowers before. You didn't really give her flowers. What you did is now you did it under duress.

So I'm watching it and I'm like, all of this. And it all comes back. But I was ready for the story of Miles Moral. But here's the thing. Not to Monday morning like quarterback it, but like it feels like those book endings with Gwen feels essential because

we know that the story ends with Gwen needing to save Miles or go on the hunt for miles come the end of this one and into the next film. Yeah. And it's going to feel a little weird if we're just like okay, so now this is like quote unquote Gwen's story. So we have

this sort of like lead in with her joining all of the interdimensional spiders and kind of like having this own her own sort of like mini arc in between the first and middle acts of this movie. It's a it's a balancing act for sure. This movie's doing a lot. But I think it's pretty good because there's a very small little arc that she has wrapped up inside of this so that when we go into what will be the third film, we're probably going to be spending a lot more time with Gwen come to. beginning and Miles might just kind of be marooned in this rogue universe for a big chunk of the

film. I liked it. I thought, again, it gave some backstory to Gwen. Not that like we didn't know what was going on, but in terms of filling out her character, not only from the last movie, for this movie as well, you know, doesn't make friends not really, again, legitimately like, I don't want to be part of a band. I want to just do me and chill. And she, realizes that that's not the way to go. You know, you go, you might go quicker alone, but you go farther with a group of people. And so, like, you needed that backstory of, like, what happened with Peter, what happened with her pops, why she got all wrapped up in the, you know, spot of first team, and why sending her back to Earth 65 was such a big deal at the end of the day

when she, when Miguel O'Hara threw her back into her world was just like, nah, we're not really messing with you. You got to go back and she was not really rocking with it because she got to go back to face her dad, which is why she ran away in the first place. Right. And then to see her dad and be like, hey, I'm not captain anymore, right? You telling me changed your whole life. He was supposed to die, right? But now that he's not captain, he won't die. And she's like, yo, maybe I can make a difference. I can change things. She gets to watch and then she moves forward. I think that only works if you get the setup at the beginning. And so that through line for me was A1.

I really enjoyed that. Chuck? Are we still on? The Gwen stuff was dope. It was beautiful. Like, you're a hater, bro. You give men some fucking microphones and a podcast. And all of a sudden, we can't give Spider-Woman five minutes at the top of the movie.

I'm really sick, bro. I don't like this. I'm not even going to bite because if that's how you feel, then that's how you feel. It's Miles Morales movie, and I was like, I want to know what's going on with Miles. And it, you know, it all works. I mean, it works, you know, fighting the vulture and all of that stuff, it works. But it just wasn't, it wasn't, I, there are a couple of things that kind of put distance

between me and the story. And I really, after years, was waiting to see what was going on with Miles. After years, that's what I was waiting to see. And the filmmakers got to do what the filmmakers got to do. You guys are right. What they have to do is tell the story that they have to tell. And this story demanded that Gwen start the story and end the story because of what was going on. It just wasn't what I.

It's kind of like Luke tossing his lightsaber. It was like, hey, that's not what I wanted to see, but that's the story that they had to tell. There you go. You know what I mean? So look, let's talk about Spider-Punk. He was, he's got a guitar. He's an anarchist. Fuck Spider-Poon.

He's kind of like, Jesus. Go ahead. I'm not even going to describe him anymore. You just say, fuck him. You know what I mean? You don't like Spider-Punk. Spider-Punk seemed to be someone who is actually encouraging Miles to make his own decision, but you don't like him.

So go ahead and get it off your chest about Spider Punk. I was just, it's not just Spider Punk. It was Gwen and Spider Punk. Because like Gwen, you come back. You haven't seen Miles and forever. He's supposed to be your friend. Immediately you lie. Like, you're just lying.

Like, I don't like that. Like, he missed you. Like, he's just like, finally my best, my best friend is back. And Gwen just stay lying to him. I'm just like, what are we doing? And then. Why she's lying? Because she didn't reveal why she was really there.

Like, he followed her. And then he really- You're talking about she would lie to. to him about the fact that she came, well, the reason why she came. The reason why she came and I'm like, I thought you were talking about lying about whatever she had going on Spider Punk. Oh no, that's fine. She's fucking on Spider Punk. She don't need to tell Miles.

That's fine. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, no, it was more so my heart was breaking because I'm like, Miles thinks like, oh, finally my friend is like coming to visit me. And she's like, yeah, I really came here for a job. I just kind of like drove by your apartment while I was coming through. That, like, that would hurt my feelings. Then, when

we get to like Spider-Man India, Spider-Man is like, I got this. He does. the right thing, he saves the captain. She lies again to him. Like, and I'm just, he's just like, yeah, you shouldn't have saved him. You should have watched that man die. Now it's going to be a kitten in the bag. This is what, like, she said she was trying to do both.

She says she, she says she was trying to do both. To me, that made, that's a lot, that's a lot of after the fact. That's a lot of like, I was wink, wink, trying to save him too. And then she was trying to save him and stop him from, she said she was trying to do both. But then Spider-Bunk comes. in. And I was just like, yeah, my man Miles has been working on this force field. He's been doing his best. And then like Spider Punk like just comes in and like saves his glory. I'm like, why can't these black men get along? Why are you like trying to one up him with your stupid little fucking

guitar, bro? Work the fuck together. I don't know what's happening. And then he's like, you got to do your palms. I'm just like, you couldn't have just like walked up to him and told him that. So he can like finish his job. Please. I was just very annoyed. Why would spider, why would Spider, why would Spider, Pry punk try to make Miles demand. Spider-punk don't know Miles. Spider-punk, like, Spider-Punk is trying to come in there and get his shit off and get through the force. I feel like I got no time to like, to Obi-Wan Canobi this shit.

This is what holds Blackburn back. Everything's not a competition. Everything's not a competition. What? Sometimes. Is this coming? What? Hold on.

Who is insane what's going on right now? Are you, are you Charles with the braids? Like who is who is this dude Sometimes we got to work together as a people I'm not even saying it was a it was a competition I'm saying we didn't have time to do that We got to get the force field man The spot is about to do the whole thing

Bust through the thing and tell him you got to do it later Miles the only reason why Miles felt the way Is because he really wasn't trying to get the force field He was trying to make Gwynfield a force And he feels away about spider punk Spider-punk is the last guy you want to see your girl fucking weird. Here's the thing.

Miles was going out like a little bitch, though, where he was just like, he was like, oh, so how well did you know hobby? How do you know Spider-Pie? I'm like, bro, like, dog, stop, stop. You're going out sad. You got to like play cool, bro. Listen to some future.

It'll be fucking fine, okay? How old is growing, by the way? 15, I think. 15, I think. 15, 16. Oh, so they're the same age? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. All right, because I think, thought she was maybe a little older and, and I thought she was maybe 17, 18. I was about to ask a couple of questions. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Steve, write that there. Okay.

So are we pro-spiter punk or anti-Spotter Punk on this, Charles? I mean, by the end, I was, I was with him because he was, he was the one holding it down. You are spider-punk. That's who you are. See, that guy? That's you. No. Charles, you, you are so spider-pump,

which is the reason why you hate spider-pump. That's how you are. You know, like you come in, everything is a competition. Fuck the man. And fuck the man. Fuck capitalism. We're all trying to get something done. You're trying to motivate us by making us feel bad about ourselves.

Like, that's, you are Spider-Pump. Jomey, did you like Spire-Punk? I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie. like his art style was great yeah because he why Gwen was fucking with it I was rocking with the bandam bro like he was he was cool as bro bro from the ends bro

from the airs bro from the airs bro. Our villains let's talk about the villains here the spot I was surprised to see the spot here I love seeing the spot I love the spot the spot was hilarious the spot was great the spot was very funny

and the spot got more sinister as the movie went on. The spot first started. Spots like, yo, there's nothing else I'm going to do. I had to turn to a life of crime. Can I please have the ATM? It's funny. I liked the spot.

I thought the spot brought the right amount of sort of quirkiness to a villain in that world. And then after a while, we saw the spot get a little bit more seduced by his goal. but I like the spot in that situation. It's not a villain you would think. Oh, I thought Jason Swishman, right, plays his voice. It was the best voice acting, I think, in the entire movie.

Like, it was, like, I felt for him. Like, I was like, at first, you feel like Miles. Like, look at this fucking silly-ass villain. And then I was just like, I personally think that Miles should have let him steal the ATM. You know what I mean? Like, the bodega got insurance. The bank will be fine. I think, if I'm going to be honest,

Miles coming from a cop home has rubbed off on him a little bit too much. I mean, listen, there was a free sandwich involved, so. A free sandwich? You sell, here's the thing. You selling out another, you selling out another, like, bro for food from, like, what? Like, that's a beef patty is all you need to do to sell somebody down the road who's starving. I wasn't a sandwich, Steve. That's what I'm saying.

Wasn't a sandwich, beef fatty. Or beef patty. Steve, do you know what a beef patty is? You know what a beef patty is? Yeah, it's a bodega sandwich. Why are you calling it a sandwich, Steve? It's not a sandwich. It's not a sandwich.

Beef patty, Steve. I'll tell you something. Steve, I mean, look, you're cultural. Okay. And you wouldn't know what beef patty is. It's a Caribbean dish. It's like a beef in the middle. Like, crust it over the top.

You eat the beef patty up. Yeah, it's like almost like an apple pie kind of thing. thing with the beef. An epa-a-a-a-a-cous-a. Okay, okay, okay. Good as shit. Hell, like, good as shit. Like, good as shit.

But it's not a sandwich. Why'd you call it a sandwich, Steve? Did you really think it was a sandwich? It looked like a sandwich in the movie. Nah, man. He didn't look like a sandwich. Oh, sorry, I saw it for like five seconds, and he was just munching on it like, all right.

Not five seconds. Steve, I'll be honest with you, bro. That's three. That's three transatlantic slavery points for you. Do I get a punch card? What do I? Jesus Christ. That's three transatlantic slavery.

Like, what do I get when I fill my card, man? Yeah, you don't want to know. We probably make you dress up in a Colonel Sanders uniform. Oh,

no. You do the podcast. Got to do the accent, too. Got to do the accent too. Damn. Now, honestly,

now I'm mad because there's going to be a bunch of women on Facebook be like, I'll make, I'll make Stephen. to be fatty. You like it. Oscar Isaac is Miguel O'Hara

of Spider-Man 299. I was very excited for this. And I thought it was very accurate, amazing, sinister, yet weirdly pure portrayal. What did you guys think about Miguel? So good. Keldit. Keld it. Love him. I'll watch

a movie about it. Spider-Man 29-9 is a bad motherfucker. And that's definitely Miguel O'Hara in this movie. He's kind of the worst, you know, thinking about it. Like, a real, like, honestly, like, kind of, like, the biggest hater in the world, right? Like, Miles is like, look, my uncles, my dad's alive. I'm going to keep it that way.

My girl's like, yeah, I can't let that slide play. I'm going to have to let your dad die. Like, that's crazy to think about, right? Like, hey, I can't let you save your pops. You know, the guy who, you know, raised you and nurtured you and lived. loved you, he's going to have to die because the multiverse may or may not be at stake. I don't know about y'all, but I'm not really vibing with that kind of information. You feel me?

Like, I'm rocking with miles 110%. So for Miguel O'Hare to go that nuts and chase him all across New York like that, like going crazy on the train. Like, bro, you got to relax, dog. It's so weird, though, that, like, the crux of this movie is a spoiler into grandfather complex type of situation. Do you know what I mean? Like if they had never told, if they had never told Miles

that his dad was supposed to die, then he wouldn't be occupying him. Nobody had to be spot vision. Yeah, spot vision. Right, right. But like, but if they never actually had to like inform him of that, then he would probably just be like,

well, it's a vision, it's an apparition. It doesn't actually mean that it's true. So what's interesting about that scene? They could have played that off rather than just be like, is going to happen, so let it happen. So what's interesting about that scene is because, you know, they do, they show like the live action Spider-Man and like they show like all that stuff, which's really cool.

Charles, you can't, the son would come up and Charles be like, why? I don't like when they do that at all time. I don't like when they did that either. I don't like, I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. The Lego Spider-Man was cute. Lego Spider-Man was cute.

Fire. That was so funny. They did it in Titans and it was kind of cool, like Beast Boy was in the red and whatever. But it's so, it's hacky to me. It's kind of like, it's kind of space jammy a little bit. Yeah, it's, it's, it's hacky to me. It's just like, it's like, yo, that is obviously audience wild grabbing when they sit there. We know that there's been a bunch of, all of these Spider-Man's are one thing.

I kind of don't like when they do that as a general rule. I thought, I mean, it's supposed to show the interconnectedness of all the Spider-Man across all the multiverses, all the Spider-Men we've seen, right? They're all connected to, and I think. this I don't I don't I don't I don't know if they're going to do this but what what my Miguel was essentially showing everybody was the web of life and and then I said I was going to spoil spider getting and the comics the web of life is is spun by the master weaver and it connects all the spider people together right and so like that's like a like I guess a digital version of it but there's legit like there's

legitimately a web where all the spider people are connected. And so he does have a point in like, you can't really mess up your destiny, right? Like, what's for you? Now, I don't know where Miguel is, you know, Gannon's ever makes it from, but I just, it just feels like, yeah, well, everybody, everybody's, you know, there's no male father figure in your life if you're Spider-Man.

If there is one, we will kill him. That's just how that goes. And it's unfortunate for Miles because Miles, I'm assuming at this point, is the only Spider-Man who hasn't had that happen yet. Yeah. But it's weird that they distinguish that to, like, the captain role in whatever spider person's life that there is because, like, Gwen's got her dad and then he retires from being the captain so he doesn't need to die.

And then she's fine with that. But, like, oh, but I'm the captain of the volleyball team. Now he's going to die again. Like, I don't get it. No. Like, it doesn't have to be the captain. Well, I mean, it's like, I mean, Judge Lucas is how stories rhyme. Right.

And so it rhymes. Yeah, it rhymes, right? So in every Spider-Man story, you know, Uncle Ben, your uncle dies, whether it's Uncle Ben, your uncle, who's the power, they die, which then gives you the power to then be like, all right, I'm going to go be Spider-Man, I'm going to do my thing. And then whenever you're, whether it's Gwen or your dad becomes captain, he dies. You know, they all have similar experiences. That's why the spider people are so connected.

You're like, oh, man, it was my uncle. It was my best friend. This and that. That's why they go together. So do you guys feel like at one point, the spot seeds his role as the villain, and the villain in the story becomes Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man, 29-9? Yes. Yeah, I think because this is a part-won.

Who is the more effective as the villain to you guys? I think Miguel. I think Miguel. I think I like Spot entertaining-wise more, but I think in the third movie, is going to come around. So I wasn't mad that Spider-Man 299 becomes more of the antagonist.

But after hearing y'all talk, it is kind of wild. Like, nobody probably in the room said this. But the Spider Society is kind of the CIA. Because imagine, like, imagine them trying to take a black father out of the household. Like, that's why it's. Like, 99% of the Spider Society are like that.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, none of them thought they're like, we can let, like, the one black Spider-Man, like, besides Jessica, Drew, like, just have it. Like, we, like, it's fine, you know? I thought what was interesting. Yeah, I mean, but they had to do, they had to do the thing, you know?

They have to do it. It's canon. Yes. It's canon. We had to do it. I actually thought that Miguel acted way better as a villain than the spot. And the movie actually went to a different level once Miguel is introduced as the villain. I think the movie reached, I think this film has some unbelievably high highs.

And a lot of that comes from when the antagonist becomes Spider-Man 2099, the film just hits a whole different stride. No, you're absolutely 100% correct there. Like, again, I mentioned earlier, it gets, it gets really dark when he's like, bro, I'm not going to let you kill my dad. and all the Spider-Men start showing up around him is like, bro, this is kind of a trap. We're going to block you in here and wait for the two days for your dad to die. And he escapes, and Miguel just goes feral and chases him all over the place.

And you're like, dude, like when they're on the train going to the moon, and he's just like pounding his head into the train. He's like, bruh, this is what happens, dog. Aunt's die. uncles die dads die don't need to be a bitch about it you're like bro damn dog like

he that my fucking hated Miles he was a little too ready to beat the shit out of them I was like what I'm saying a little bit please I mean geez can I also say we've talked about this this is my call to like after this movie we cannot have another

black superhero movie where they are fighting like a Mexican or Latin villain like we're done Like when when fucking evil Miles showed up looking like six, nine, I'm like, bruh. Like stop. We got to stop, bro. This is bad. Talk about it.

I mean, it's a villain corner right now. So let me tell you how woke and fucked up I am. Let me tell you how deeply indoctrinated into the identity and culture wars of an hazem. Just my mind is jello. Okay? I'm a walking open room. We're leaving the theater. And Kalika is in the other room.

So let me, so we leave the theater and I say, why the fuck he had to have braids though? Yes. Like they got a mouse. So I knew that when he got punched, I was like, that had to be somebody powered because that's not going to hurt him. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and then I get to the thing. I'm like, oh, we're in a different thing. and now he has Spider-Man powers

and he's the prowler. And then he takes his thing off and he got braids. And I'm like, that's some real Fox News bullshit. I don't give a fuck, bro. They should have either, I told her,

I was like, they should have just shaved his head or gave him a flat top. Literally any hairstyle works except giving him braids right there. You give him braids, meaning that he's an evil criminal. That's tough.

I mean, he could have dreadlocks. And he could have had dreadlocks. There are other really racist. Oh, okay. So dreadlocks, dreadlocks would have been bad too. But I'm saying anything braid adjacent. Yeah. Like, locks, whatever.

He just can't have a haircut. He can't have cornrows. There's a lot of hair styles. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, the braids are essentially cornrows. I mean, he got the two big braced. I don't like it, bro. I'll be honest.

I'm sorry. Well, what? Is he better off because he went to the school? It was, I don't. I don't like it, bro. It was dark. And it was also like because his dad is dead now and he doesn't have like a father in the house. He's like a little fucking like hoodlough.

I was just like, this is weird. Sorry. Well, I mean, I think the biggest difference is there's no Spider-Man in that universe. I mean, ultimately it's just become, it was just to differentiate the character between the one that we, that we know. The braids, the accent, I thought was, I definitely thought I was weird. you know, I think they're trying to be like, well, his dad died, so he spent more time with his mom, which means, I guess he speaks more Spanish

and whatnot, but that was weird. The braids, I don't really catch on the braids. I thought, like, you know, in retrospect, it's tough. I, for sure thought he had cornrows. Like, I, like, I, for sure, what did he say, took up braids out? Like, he got cornrows. Like, of course. Okay, did the movie spoil itself

when his uncle came in? He's like, oh, Miles, you took your braids out? Because then I'm like, I bet there's a live version of Miles that has braids and is evil. I was thinking I'm like, oh, so this is like the Star Trek episode where the evil doppelganger has a goatee. Does the evil doppelganger in this universe have braids? You know, the only twist that got me was the end.

I thought we had like 35 minutes a movie left. You know, I was hype. But the Earth 42 thing didn't get me because you can see it on the screen when he's getting his DNA thing, right? And so when he's mom... You can see it when he lands there. It's like, there's a different color palest. it.

This is not. That twist got me just because, I mean, I ended up picking up on it. Obviously, you ended up, I ended up picking up on it because I'm like, something's off here, but it was still a good. Oh, yeah. It's a good twist. Don't get me wrong. It's a good twist.

I'm just hoping in Spider-verse 3, like, let's tone it down. Let's not make his evil version. It's going to come back, dog. He cuts them off like scene one of the next. next movie. You still have four rolls in the next one. I'm talking like crazy down to his like back, like AI type shit, bro. Oh, so they need to just double down now.

Double down. What I wonder is whether or not he'll be able to convince him to be a good guy on his side and he'll come and they'll be together. Either that or we're going to learn about evil miles as his drill rap career. Like you're going to his room and he got a Brooklyn drill artist. You know what I'm saying? He's the Proula, the Proula. D-A-P-R-O-W-L-A.

D-P-R-O-W-L-A. Or maybe he's got a group. Maybe it's like NBA De-Praller. The Sinister Six. Sinister six. Ah, the Sinister six. That's what they are. It's six of them.

The Sinister six. D-A-B-E. He's the Prouler. How much you want to bet evil Miles got expelled from high school? he was like showing the blicky on IG Live, like hanging out with John Moran. He looked like John Moran. He does look like. Do they die?

Should they die his braids? If they die his braids, that would be hilarious. Right. I'm looking at that, bro. I'm like, I'm like, I'm serious, though. Like, we joking, but I'm like, that was kind of lame. It's like the movie was great, but that was a little lame to me. That was like, I bumped up against it as well.

Yeah. That's tough, man. So you're saying that you're saying that the boy, Miles is going to be suspended for a couple of years. That's crazy, bro. Could be. That's tough. Okay, so Miles is trying to save his dad.

Miguel is trying to save the multiverse. I always like it when a hero is given direct stakes that everybody will die. And they go, fuck it. You know what I mean? Like, I always like when a hero is given direct stakes that say, hey, reality will be destroyed But if you don't save this one person and they go, it's my dad. What the fuck you want me to do? Because I would have like Miles, I like, if I was Miles, I'd have been like, you know,

obviously I loved and loved my father, I would have been like, is there any way? Miles would, fuck it. There's like, I'll go out there and I'll see what's up. I could see McGill's point. I could see Miguel's point. Like, hey, this happens all the time. And the whole, I do love that the multiverse is always threatened by some. something so trivial.

Like you gotta let these captains die in every universe or the fabric of reality disintegrates. But who did you agree with more, Charles? Miles and Miguel? I actually, I think the beauty of this is that like emotionally I was transported to being a teen where I was just like I agree with like Miles if I have to choose between watching my father die. Yeah. And like I'm just like fuck y'all. Like I'm going to go save my dad.

Like what happens happens? But I think what the movie actually does very, very well is that Miguel, Jessica Drew, Peter B. Parker aren't wrong, but they are, that is what it is to be an adult, where it's just like they've gotten to the point where people die and they understand this and like tragedy is just a fabric of reality. Whereas like if you ever talk to a teenager because they don't have those life experiences a lot of the times, they still think that they can change the world. you know, teenagers you'll like see them, they're fighting for these causes that are so important, whether it is global warming or, you know, the police and all these things. And they're just like, I want to change the world. And then you get, you become an adult and you're like, no, I want to change the world too. Everything that you're talking about is important.

But I have bills to pay. I need health insurance. Like I need. That's a fantastic point. I need to take care of, like the things that make you an adult. sometimes are the things that blunts you to the trauma of life. Like when you, when you're a kid, you want to save the world. When you're an adult, you're trying to figure out how to live in it.

Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a fantastic point. So those two things are budgeting up against one another when you're looking at Miles and Miguel, that's a fantastic point, Charles. But isn't Miguel kind of like a fool to ask a Spider-Man to not save someone, especially when it's the person that they're supposed to not save? Yes.

Because I mean, here's the thing. All of the other Spider-Men never got that choice. That's why I was just like, it was weird. Why would you even give him that choice? Like, don't give him that choice. Every single Spider-Man,

if they had the chance to save Uncle Ben would do it. Would have saved Uncle Ben. Yeah. I think what it was was all those guys already lost their uncle. They lost their captain, right? At the end of the day,

you're looking at people who've already, you know, to some degree, dealt with it. So it becomes a, question of it's not my problem man like I got through it you can get through it we all get through it this is what we do with Spider people this is how it goes

you'll be okay don't worry in a pocket exactly miles is like nah I'm gonna write my own story bray it's not going down like this I'm not going on like a punk like y'all which is what I really like about like the big thing that this movie is going to interrogate is the trope of what makes Spider-Man and can that

truly be the thing like of all of the times that we've had to see the Wayne family gunned down just to know that Batman can be Batman can that happen any other way is there any other way to do that let alone from like a way to is there any other way for Batman to be Batman rather than

that's an interesting question but but like that but that's what this the story is interrogating we know so many times that Uncle Ben dies we make great power great responsibility it will be Spider-Man the way that we can twist that is like okay well if Miles doesn't want that to happen and if anybody can think of a different way

to be Spider-Man and not have that origin happen. Like, it's a creative writing exercise being executed in a film. You just got me thinking about what Bruce Wayne would be doing if his parents never died. It's been explored.

I know it has been, but, like, I like to think of him as a real dick. He's Kendall Roy. He's like... Throwing trash on the ground and Gotham. Pick it up!

He's not in shape, that's for sure. What is he? doing in Gotham. But boy, he run on, he got a driver, he got the black escalate running through town. He's not looking like the plums in the streets. Yeah. But the whole thing is that he'd have to stay in Gotham though because like that's

where he's the most lit. You know what I'm saying? Like those people never... Yeah, but he's not walking the streets of Gotham. Yeah, no, his money's good in Gotham, but like he doesn't, he doesn't have property. He doesn't need it. His father was walking the streets of Gotham when he got killed. They walked the streets of Gotham.

And guess what? When they survived that, Robert, they're like, Nope, we're not, last time we do that. You know, you know, it's also wild? So, which Spider-Man was the MVP of this movie? We got a lot of Spider-Man in this movie. I'll tell you who my favorite Spider-Man was. I liked Spider-Man India. He was cool to me.

He was-cal-a-dope. I loved him, man. One of my favorite lines is being Spider-Man is so easy. Yeah, he was just like, he was cool. He got up. He was buff. He didn't want to work out to get too big. He was like, I love it.

loved him. He was the dopest one to me. His perfect hair. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good. Metro Spider. Who? Metro Booman has a, has a

in this movie. He's upside down. Yeah, he was the one that was like, there's nowhere to run Spider-Man, and then he hops out the one who's like, there is a somewhere to run. And he was in like the white coat. That's not corny to y'all.

Hold on, hold on. I know that that's not, see, that's when the, that's when, That's kind of what I'm talking about. That's not like a little bit. Metro Boomin doesn't need a Spider-Man. I'm fucking Metro Heavy. I love Metro booming.

But that's like putting in sync in Attack of the Clos. No, he had two lines. Nah, no, I'm with Van. There were moments. Like, here's the thing, too. We didn't talk about it a lot. Donald Glover shows up. I'm like, all right, fuck this.

But I didn't care. When he comes back a second time, I was like, all right, man. Like, what are we? I don't like fun, bro. Nah, man. It is fun. I don't like fun. It is fun

It is fun, but I'm just It's a different It showed you that they had to raise the stakes For the, I get it I really do understand It shows that they had to raise the stakes For the sequel They attempted to raise the stakes

I still want to hear the rest of you guys His favorite Spider-Man in the movie though I think I liked Obviously like if I'm not gonna pick Miles Because I love Miles to death I have to pick anyone else Dogg I was fucking with Miguel O'Hara Like he's just so

He was so cool And so menacing And he's like, because he's a villain that has a point, I was rocking with him because I too was like, Miles, like, I'm with Miles, save your dad, but also like Miles is going to save his dad. And then five minutes later, he's going to doom his entire reality. So like, I get why Miguel is a little, he's a little on edge. I thought Oscar Isaac, like, he killed him.

So good. What about you, Joe? Ben Riley was so much fun in his like Hell yeah Sandy Sandberg man Perfect That was Andy Sandberg That was Andy Sandberg

Hell yeah Just him being like again So 90 so angsty All the walls Oh so much pain And like dog Keep saving for comedy Just thinking about my troubling past

That was a painful memory And they're just like yeah That's Ben Riley That's what he does You know This is so much fun I hope you get to see more of him In the next one

Always have. ScarSpotter is the worst, dude. What are you, like, I liked him in the movie. Best design, though. That's like one of my favorites. Oh, I love the design, but when I read the comics, I was like, design is a lot of the heavy lifting.

Doesn't love Kane. Nobody likes Issa, Issa's Spider Woman. Nobody's going to mention her. Spider-Rum is cool. Feels great. Yeah, she's good. Okay, so listen. Okay, so wait a second.

So wait a second. Okay. So wait a second. See? See? See what I'm saying? See what I'm saying? I always get accused of different stuff.

Black woman Spider-Man. And I asked you guys what the hell you thought. And that was the most lukewarm response to anything in Midnight Boys history. So I just want you to make sure that you guys remember who you are. Because earlier on, Charles was on his thing. Give a man a podcast because I wasn't fucking the spider, Gwen, and the whole thing. And I asked you guys about the black, pregnant black woman that they put in the thing.

And all three of y'all, Steve, it's a half of a transatlantic slave point from you. So you have an opportunity to kind of get back or whatever, but you didn't. All right. So I just want to let it. It should be on the very funny moment in the history of the Midnight Boys. It's the whole thing. She ain't have nothing to do. It's the Midnight Boy's fault

that Ezeray didn't have that much to do. I didn't say she was bad. It was just like, what am I supposed to feel? Her whole role in this movie was the Michael Jordan fuck them kids memes. Like she comes in and she's just like, hey, yo, I'll take you on as an apprentice, Gwen. But if you fuck up, I can't help you.

And then she comes back an hour later, Gwen fucks up and she's like, I'm sorry, I can't help you. What am I supposed to feel about this character? All right. I made a mistake and I got over it. The only thing that goes to my head was, I was like, man, is that Lawrence's baby in there, bro? That's the only thing I can think about.

Well, if Jay Ellis just comes, yeah, that's the hilarious. We've talked a little bit about the Easter eggs. Yeah. And I've talked about the Easter eggs. Is there any Easter egg you guys particularly liked? I had one I loathed that I, like, I want them to stop. This is the final movie where we can do the Spider-Man point to me. Like, we have to retire the Spider-Man point to me.

Whole theater went crazy. I loved it. I don't know what to tell you. I can't. This is, why do we keep doing this joke? This is the first time we've seen this joke in five years.

It's great. It's funny every time. It's good jokes. Just be honest with you. I want to tell you. Yeah. Shit plays. I mean, I'm just,

I'm letting you know that like, the theater went nuts. Like, they literally went nuts. Everybody's, ah, so I don't know what to tell you, Charles. Well, how did they go nuts? This was literally in the trailer.

They've been using the same, like, Hold on, wait. I don't know. I know what you want, what you want me, answer for them. I can get them on the phone.

I'm telling you they like you. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know how they went nuts. But they liked it. Everybody was like, as soon as they started pointing. And this is,

this is, I'm in Baton Rouge, so this is the salt of the earth. And I went, I went, like, and so if we're talking jokes, some person in my theater, when there was the part where Gwen is,

Like in every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And then a dude, like, in the back just yells out, literally. And everybody just laughs at him. That's funny. Amazing. Yeah. That's funny. That's amazing.

Yeah. And I was like, shout out to that guy for making the best joke of the movie. So you didn't, so you didn't like that one. What was my favorite Easter egg? I like to shout out to Hammer Space in the beginning. good. That's good. And like they do the little comic book thing where it just like explains the Hammer Space.

Yeah. Like I mean, Hammer Space, all the Spider-Men, like when they're, when they come into the Spires Society for the first time and they make a joke and then you see like all the Spider-Man are like coming in. You have to like go you have to go back and get them with DVD and go frame by frame to see every single joke. It's impossible to

spot every single Easter egg, especially I like the old cartoon Spider-Man joke. I like that one. Oh, where he's like frozen. Yeah, that was really good. I was like during the fight when he's got the horse and the horse Spider-Man, he's like, we're going to draw on three. And then he goes like out one. And he's like, I'm right-a-four-three.

So that was a funny bit. That was a funny. The Lego Spider-Man where Lego Peter calls in Miguel, and he's like, he's in this universe. And then Miguel's like, thanks, Pete, you're one of our best. Oh, yeah. That was good. That one got me, man. I love Lego anything.

I'm just a Lego nerd idiot. I just love when I see the Lego universe of anything. Did you know what's crazy? Guys, go ahead. Did you guys love when they went back to the Venom universe? Oh, yes. That was good. That was my great.

Stop! Stop! Stop! For real. That was my favorite. That was my favorite. When Spot was talking to me. to the convenience store lady,

that was amazing. I enjoyed that because she was, he was like, you just see weird stuff like this all the time. That I actually enjoyed that. That was, we got to elevate. We got to elevate our sister on this podcast. No, we can't do this.

Wait a minute. We can't do this. See how Charles. See how it started off for Charles and he was like this movie was perfect. This always great though. I love the movie better more than all of y'all. I just like to name. This is, guys, you can't, you can't stop

Steph Curry from shooting three you can't stop me from nitpicking shit it's what I was born on this earth to do. It's true, it's true. All right. Okay. Real quick so we can move on to the Spider Future. Best action singing for you.

My favorite action scene was the escape from the headquarters there of all the Spada. Nueva through Nueva, New York. Like, as they're running through the same. Best set piece. I might have been one of the most incredible things I've seen.

seen in theaters in a long time. That entire sequence was incredible. Just the best. Very good. Underrated one was the chase in Spider-India to get to the reactor. That was really good.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even in and then after that, when they're rescuing when the building is falling and they're rescuing. All of that. Yeah, that was really cool. But the scene in New Ever York was just top notch. This episode is brought to by Borishead.

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what do you feel like the movie ranks in the all-time trilogies Charles best superhero movie trilogy we have easily best we have easily I think if I think that this movie is like nearing perfect if they even get they even do a movie that's like

a nine out of ten on the third one And I think it'll be the strongest superhero movie trilogy we have. I think so, too. I agree. I 100% agree. Look, you'd have to say that, right? Because you'd have three movies that are just of insane quality. The only thing that would rival it would really be is if the Incredibles did a third that was really fantastic.

Incredibles ain't even in the same conversations. Well, have some decorum, Charles. Have some decor. Y'all was fucking with Incredibles 2 like that? I was. Yes. Yeah. Incredible's too was just fine. It wasn't bad.

It wasn't great. It was just, I don't like it down. I thought it was really, really good. Here's the thing. My big issue is, I think the genius of the first Incredibles is the family. Are those dynamics?

And I just feel like the second movie just didn't have. They were like, the mom was off doing shit. It was just, it wasn't the core. It was fine. Interesting. Okay, Daddy. Oh, my God. Incredible.

All right. They were doing a live action Miles Morales movie, guys. Interesting. Oh, boy. Are you guys excited for this? What do you think is behind the curtain for a live action Miles movie?

Is it bad that I'm not that excited? I'm with you. I'm not. I'm a little interesting. It's because this is the best thing. that Sony has going for it in terms of Spider-Man. And I was sitting with this point for like, ever since I came out of this movie,

it's actually, this makes me feel good that Spider-Man is with Sony and not the MCU. It's because I'm willing to accept like five Morbiuses in a row in order to get a movie like this. When I know that Disney and the MCU wouldn't dare make a movie like into the Spider-Verse. What are you talking about? They wouldn't.

This is recent Disney hate bias. What he's not? I agree with Steve. So, like, Steve is spitting right now. Disney's got all of Pixar and Disney Animation Studios

at its disposal. You don't think they've come anywhere close to making a movie like this? Number one, you're saying that you're willing to sit through some of the worst experiences

in film history so that you can get to into the Spider-Verces because Disney isn't capable of doing it. this. Disney's made some of the greatest animated films that have ever been made. Pixar's made some of the greatest animated films that have ever been made.

I'm not saying that they would do this movie, but I'm saying that they could. They could, but it's the fact that they clearly don't. And the reason that it's a problem at Sony is because they clearly don't know the difference between making a Morbius and making it into the Spider-verse. Because if they did, they'd be making way more. The interesting thing is, when we look at Marvel and what Disney's been doing, doing for the past decade plus of building

this entire unified storyline. They've slightly poached a copro out of Sony just to put Spider-Man in the MCU. They're not giving up anything else. If they were to somehow own Spider-Man, I feel like all that we'd ever see of Spider-Man is this

intricately woven or not intricately woven tapestry of where does Spider-Man fit in the broader picture of the MCU. The beauty of what into the Spider-Verse, the Spider-Verse and all of these other Spider-Verse films are, is because all it is containing is every single thing that has to do with Spider-Man with one character, with one set of traits, tropes, ideals, philosophies.

Disney does not have the, like, the, like, foresight to do that. Well, they don't have the, they don't have the, they don't have the need. And I get that. But what you're saying is that you're, you're, you're, I get that. and that's probably true because they have to go deeper into the universe that they own. But you're saying that you're willing to sit through terrible live action Spider-Man movies, terrible movies that are tangential and peripheral in that so that you can get a couple of Spider-Verse movies. And I'm saying that's hard for me to kind of get with.

I mean, at this point, there's not much difference between some of these MCU movies and Morbius. So I don't really like. You don't believe that. You don't believe that. You don't believe that. That's one. You don't believe that. Eternal and Morbius are the same.

You don't believe that. See, you don't believe that. You don't believe that. Come on now. Come on now. You're just talking. You don't believe that. You don't believe that.

We just... No, no, no, no, no. I already went at Eternals. I already packed them up on the last episode. We're not going back. We're not going back. No, no, no. Wait.

You said it. How can it... You said it. I already packed them up. I'm not going to be mean. You said it. It's the thing is, I agree with Steve. Just here's thing.

I'm not trying to sit through all. with Sony's movies. That's where I would differ from Steve. But what I will, like, heavy agree is that, like, the MCU almost feels like a factory line at this point, where it's like the movies have to look a certain way, they have to be right in a certain way, they have to come at a certain time, they have to connect all these things. And you get Spider-Verse because, weirdly, there are guardrails, because there is just like, we can only use Spider-Man characters, it's animated, all these things. You're empowering the creatives to just think about these movies differently

versus when it's an MCU movie like, all right, you got like, this is what it is. And it's not to say that the right or wrong types of filmmakers can only do certain things. With the right types of filmmakers, like the ones that we have making the Spider-Verse films, their guardrails are you have all of Spider-Man. That's it.

Okay, let's give you every single thing that Spider-Man can possibly be. And we're going to do it better than any other film has ever done it with any other set of characters that ever has existed. That's still incredible. But it's the fact that when it's under the guise of like Disney and Marvel, at least everything that we've had so far, it's always been just this like kind of like gradual like, again, varying qualities, things that have been the greatest things we have ever seen.

I'm still like kind of relieved that we get something like this because the highest of ceilings is kind of eclipsing what Marvel's been doing for a while. Like, there's a reason we say into the Spider-Verse is a 12 and maybe only a handful of MCU movies are. That's the first thing that we said. What the fuck are you talking about? Jalmy, jump in and then I'm going to jump in. I don't...

They can coexist. I get it. There's not a monolith. They can, you know, we can have into the Spider-Verse in 2018. We can have, like, you know, end game and Infinity War and Black Panther and through Ragnarok. And like, it doesn't have to be like, man, God, we haven't gotten a special MCU film at the, you know,

we get one good Sony film every five years, right? Into the Spideaverse and across the Spideaverse. And I'm like, well, look this crazy what the MCU's doing. No, let's be, no, let's be serious. Mr. Tom Holland. Mr. Tom Holland, come on. Like. What do you mean?

You like those Tom Holland movies? They're fine. Hold on. Now, now, now, now he's capping, bro. No, Jomi. I'm capping. Jomey. Jomi, I can't let you live like that, bro.

I'm not saying they're special. My point is it's not like we had a home in the night court. John, come on, bro. What are you talking about? They're fine. I'm not saying there anything on the level across into the Spiderman. But what I'm saying, it's not capping. But what I'm saying, it's not capping.

What the fuck are you all about? I'm saying you can't just sit here and be like, well, we got two, we got two, we got two great Spider-Man movies. Let's talk about that versus the entire of the MC. It was two different things. Too complete. I get it. You just said that they're fine, though, Jomey. You've been all in Tom Holland and the movies, bro. We did a whole show about it, bro. I was... Yes, you.

Wasn't I the Tom Holland Spider-Man? We did a whole Midnight Court, Jomey. Come on. And I was for Tom, and I was for the Tom Holland Spider-Man. What are we on about? Jomey, you're about to get some transatlantic slave points. What are we like... Wait. Did we not... Did we... We did a night court, you guys were Tobby McGuire, correct? Yes. Yeah. And I was Tom Holland.

And you just said the movies are fine. And you just said the movies were fine. It's two different conversations we're talking about who's the better Spider-Man. We're talking about who had the best Spider-Man movies. Those are two different conversations that we're talking about right now. Okay. I can agree to the movies were fine, but that I enjoy Tom Holland and Spider-Man better than I enjoy

Tobin Gwires. That's two different things. That wasn't the tenor of what was being said. I understand that now. Thanks for the clarification. but I will say this though I will say this I just wouldn't have thought that you would have said that those movies were fine

because that's what I was saying I was saying they are all right that's what I've been saying no I mean like that they're fine I just enjoy yeah I was saying okay I wouldn't have thought that you would have said that's cool

okay that's interesting my thing is we can't sit here and get like we're gonna get craven some point we're not gonna sit here and be like man hell yeah craving because in 2024,

beyond the spotlight is coming out. You don't know that. That's insane. We've seen two Venom movies. We get into Craven and niggins are like, hell yeah. I want more of that shit.

What the fuck are you talking about? There's an echo TV show coming out on Disney Plus. At a certain point, like, what are we doing? What I'm talking about here is the fact that I can tolerate this very low floor

that Sony is giving me for all of these Spider-Man films for the sake of that very high ceiling. Rather than putting Spider-Man in them. No. Rather, do you want him in? Do you want us to be lukewarm on Spider-Man? Do you want us to be like going through the homogene of the MCU right now?

So there's another thing I'll say about the film is that part of this is we're comparing live-action MCU stuff to animation. And this movie would probably be in part of it. possible to make in live action. It's impossible to do it. So a lot of this has just to do with the fact that this is animated fair. And so they can be a lot wackier, go a lot crazier, get a lot more ambitious. And so that's, we're being a little bit, to me, unfair to some of the MCU stuff that has mostly been live action when you're compared.

It's not that it's been, it's been unimaginative to the degree. I wouldn't see even unimaginative, but it's less imaginative than these movies. as it is sort of boxed into the fact that it's a lot of action. I get what you're saying. Right. But the less animated thing that we got from the MCU was what if. So how about that? That'll be my bar.

But so what I'm saying is that like, just saying that Sony can like literally fuck up everything. And it's cool because you get the Spider-Man movies. It's just interesting. Like, they make a lot of bad shit. I mean, they do. And I think it's bad. I don't think it's unwatchable.

I think the Eternals thing is nuts. But I think, I don't think it's unwatchable. I think some of the stuff is funny, but they don't know what they're doing. And I mean, you know, and I'm not saying that, and I'm not saying that like it justifies only staying with Sodi. And that's not what I mean.

But it's the fact that like, like, I'm like, all right, fine. You get, you got, you got like another amazing banger out of this. and I don't know if that would have been possible if it were under the MCU because we haven't seen something like this from the MCU. They haven't dared to try. And this one dared to try. That's not fair.

That's not fair. Could the MCU at this point make something like Spider-Verse? And I'm not even talking about an animated movie. I'm talking about something that is not tied to this like unending story that we are all increasingly... I kind of think...

I kind of think that it's not as grandiose and is out there. I kind of think No Way Home is kind of like Spider-Verse. That's something... It's like a fraction of what...

Dog. Because we talk about it. But again, I know. It's a lot... You know what I'm saying? It's grabbing Spider-Men from those other movies is something I had never really seen before.

You know what I mean? I had never seen that done before. And probably, to be honest with you, was probably inspired by Spider's for sure I'll be honest with you oh of course but I just think it's kind of it's almost apples to oranges I see what you're saying I see what both of you guys are saying and I'm not I think I might be phrasing it poorly I might be but it's like I don't know I feel what you're saying I think it's

very because they might not because the freedom of not having huge expectations is probably what allows you to kind of do I get what you're saying and it just feels like the intensity of what Disney and Marvel are doing right now. And I'm so happy for that. And I'm so happy that there's something different like this. I do think part of this is informed by the recent run of quality or lack thereof of quality that the MCU movies have had. But you're saying, hey, this is so different because I think when the original Spider-Verse came out,

it was a lot different and it still was nothing like the MCU had done but the MCU was giving us stuff that we had also never seen before. Infinity War came out in 2018, same with the Spider-Verse. So what I'm saying is that because of that there was probably a little bit more grace.

Now you're thinking, hey, Sony's doing this and the MCU is doing that. Meanwhile, Sony is doing fucking rhino, mech, mech, rhino. You know what I mean? I get it. Okay. Yeah, I get it.

All right, cool. It's fine. All right. Charles was like conspicuously absent in that whole debate. What do you think, Chuck? Oh, I mean, I think the MCU would be rewarded if they just cut the shit.

Like, it's like, here's the thing. Well, I would like an X-Men movie that's as creative as the Spider-Verse. I don't know if I want all these movies to be continued, like to be connected like this. It was like a cool experiment for a while but we're at a point where I'm like even visually like these movies got to start looking

different and I'm not even just talking about the CGI I'm just like cinematography wise like come on bro let's like let's it's a massive ask to make a movie look like into the Spiderverse because it's a colossal undertaking to make a movie look like this yeah it's yeah no I can't no but what I'm saying is I want that

even for an animated film this is a huge undertaking but I think just visually even the MCU could like take the reins back a little bit everybody don't have to be basically like, all right, we're doing Iron Man, but it's Spider-Man. We're doing Iron Man, but it's like, we can get a little bit more imaginative. That's all, like, here's the thing, too, to Steve's point, even if we get live action X-Men

shit, could we get a Spider-verse like X-Men movie? And I'm not talking about like it being multiversal. I'm talking about animation that's like, oh, shit, they're trying something new. Like, could they let the reins go a little bit? And how to be like, hey, so much on a technical level, like, storytelling. Like, yeah. What's come close to storytelling like this? Like, it's really tough to find it.

I, I, I just, I, I, I just for the life of me. Like, I can't, I don't understand the, okay, so I understand like, MCU since 2019. We've been looking for the hits, but, so here's my thing, right? It's what I'm hearing is, like, so I'm a Laker fan, right? I've grown up in L.A. my whole life as Laker fan. last like from 2013 to 2020 it was bad right clippers was in the streets talking crazy right talking crazy cash right they they win in games they bean um you know what i'm saying dunking on motherfuckers dunking on people you know what i'm saying niggins like yeah we run these streets now yeah y'all know what y'all know what y'all talk about and it's like fellas you got two good movies in five years emce you've been doing this shit to 2008. And it's been a minute since we got a good one.

Right? Unless the... Guardian has just came out. You're right. My fault. The old days are the old days, Jomey. I don't know what to tell you. But what I'm saying is we can't look at these niggas like they're on the same level

right now. Okay? Who said they're on the same level? Steve went for 20 minutes talking about he would rather get two VETA movies, nine Morbiuses and eight Cravens for one Spoutiverse. I did love seeing the lady from Venom in the movie. I did love seeing the lady from Venom. That was great.

That's crazy. If you kind of fuck with the first Venom, you have to fuck with that scene in Spider-Verse. I'm like, here's the thing. I don't agree with everything. I don't agree with everything, Steve said, but I'd rather watch Venom Let There Be Carnage

than, like, anything that the MCU's done. Like, come on. Like, come on. Because I can't do the Venom let there be carnage. I can't. I can't. I can't, like, we can't, nah, we got, we got, we got, we got, we got to.

Because Charles, Charles, Charles, know, have some respect. Charles, no, Charles, no, he knows. Not serious. All right, midnight meter. Just in case you guys were unclear on how the midnight meter works. The midnight meter is actually a ranking from one to ten, 11 and 12 are reserved for game breaking, genre changing, perfect movies. 11 being something that is outside of the box.

12 being something that has created its own box. Midnight meeting rankings begin. Midnight meter rankings begin now. Okay. I will go first. Set its own. I'm giving this a nine. A nine on the midnight meter.

I can't do this. I can't. I can't do this. What? This is bullshit. You gave Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 and 11, bro. This movie is better than Guardians of the Galaxy. It's coming back.

I like Guardians better. I like Guardians better. Guardians had, like, you guys, Guardians had me girded up the whole time. Guardians didn't wait and give me a, okay, I'm saying, nine for me. I love the movie. I don't think it's a perfect film.

I think it's, to Jomey's point, half of a movie with the other half of a story, maybe it would be more apt to rank these as one film, being that there's a part two to it after. I don't know that we could do that. I'm saying that this is a nine. There is some bloat here. The film is very, very good,

but I'm going with a nine. Charles. Yeah, this is going to be an 11 for me. All right, we're not. This is an 11. It's easy. Why not a 12? Not because we had that big argument where it's like a 12 is reserved for game changers.

It has to make this much money at the theater. Is it because Into the Spider's universe can only happen once? Yes. And I don't know. Like the first movie, like we can track how influential that movie is. And I don't know if this movie is going to be influential because what it is doing is like building on top of the lineage. it's not really diverting anything.

So I think this is like, it's an 11 because will it be a game changer? I don't know. I think once all these movies are done, we will be like the Spider-Vverse films were game changers. So for that reason, if the first movie is a 12,

I'm going to give this an 11. I do agree that there's a little fat on it. It's not a perfect film, but is a near-perfect film. That's where I'm going. I will make this a 10. I love it a lot.

And it's weird when I give a movie a 10 and I feel like anxious about like not loving it that much. But it's like it's the it's again, it's the fact that only into the Spiderverse can happen only one time. It's mind blowing in so many ways. There's a little bit of fat as well.

Not to say that it hangs on a cliffhanger, but like it is clearly one half of a story and of a very good one. But I enjoyed it so, so much. There's very, very, very little to complain about and what I would complain about never takes away from it. So it's a 10 for me.

I'm going to just be honest. I'm going to lay on my cards out on the table. I want to give it a 12. I want to. Like everything in my heart wants to give this a 12th. But I was so locked in on the film.

and we meet his doppelganger. We see that she's got the band of all the Mary Spider people. I was like, I'm so locked and let's go. To be continued. I was, I was hurt. We didn't really talk about the ending. How did you guys feel about that? My whole theater was like, hey, what the fuck?

Well, that's the thing. We knew that it was going to be a two-parter. I knew that it was going to be a two-partner. I remember that. Because it was supposed to be a cross-spotter versus part one, part two. They changed it kind of like how they did Infinity War, where they were like, oh, this will be two movies. Like, just kidding, it's one movie.

We're changing the titles. There's two movies, don't worry about it. But where Infinity War, like, has an ending. We're like, oh, they lost. Uh-oh, tough titties. This one is just like, literally, to be continued, you're going to see the second half of this movie at some point in the near future.

No, I actually like, I never saw Empire Strikes Back. It's fine, bro. It's fine. Empire Strikes Back has an ending. It has an ending. We're going to get the rest of the story. It's fine. It doesn't end in the middle of the shit.

There's literally an ellipsies. I have never been. so disappointed in the Midnight Boys. Y'all rank, y'all, every other movie, y'all be given that shit. You're just like, yeah, I hated the movie. Dara-da-da-da-da-da. 12. And I'm just like, what?

And we finally get like a real good joint. And you're like, I don't know. I don't know. I guess it's a nun. If the movie and like ended at a point where like a natural, like any point, not with literal and I've got the troops.

Like imagine if like two towers ended right, like when Helms D. Right. When they charge a Helms deep. Right. That's not how that works. No, as Gandolf is like charging down the mouth. Yeah. Like, they do the thing.

Helm-deep ends. We're like, all right, that's a natural stopping point. Right? This movie ends in the middle of the thing, which while, like, I'm not like, it's not the end of the world. Like, I understand what, what it is. That money got to get made, you know what I'm saying? I think that's the only reason I can't give it to 12, so I'm going to give it

on 11. You know, other than that, perfect film. Other than that, fantastic. Other than that, I loved it. In my heart, I want to give it a 12, but, like, Give it a 12. Look, here's the thing. Here's the thing about a 12.

You guys, you know what? I'm going to give it a 12. Give it 12. Thank you, 12. I don't give it 12. I don't give it 12. I love it. I loved it.

I loved it. Yeah, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm going to? Yeah, I'm going to give it to 12. The ending did like, I was like in my chest. It's not because I was upset, but I just wanted to see so much more that world. I would have sat there for eight hours out of watch the whole thing.

it was incredible. We talk about game-changed. I don't get a fuck about all that shit. The movie was fantastic. It was great. It was awesome. I'm going to go see it a thousand times. Give the movie a 12.

Give the movie a 12. If you feel it was a 12, I actually feel like just about the film that it was really, really good. But there were some part, there were some things that didn't work as well for me. But like I, there it goes.

guys, these are high listeners. I hope the listeners are on your ass the same way they're on my ass. Every single time I do the midnight meter. Like, yo. Oh, we made some enemies today. We made some enemies today.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't run from the smoke now, then. It's fine. It's a nine, baby. Look, no matter what happens. You gave Guardians an 11. This is a creature. No matter what happens, me, I mean, this podcast.

Guardians was to me the culmination of an insane trilogy. You judge it almost differently. This movie is the middle of it. I didn't give Guardians of Galaxy to an 11th. This Guardians was, it had a lot to do and it did it well.

This movie, to me, tried to do a lot and did some of it really, really well and some of the other stuff, not as well. I think no matter what we give the May 9 rankings, no matter what we sell this podcast, think at the end of the day, what matters is I think all of us would be better fathers than Peter B. Parker.

So that's really what matters. I like to mess a dad. You can't take a kid. He's really endangering that baby. You can't take a kid off that like that, my boy. You got to leave her head. The baby got special powers. You got to leave her head.

Mayday is going to be learning. Mayday's a great baby. Mayday is a great baby. Can I tell you guys something? You guys talk about this. Like Miles Morales is 15. He's risking his life. All of this stuff, child soldiers.

All of it. Child soldiers. Child soldiers. We got cat soldiers. We got Tyranosaurus. Rex soldiers. Child soldiers, the Jedi, child soldiers and the Young Avengers,

child soldiers, team Titans. Every time one of these little people, like quantumania statues, I want to be a superhero too, dad. Shut up! You're 17 years old. It's not time for you to be out fighting crime yet.

I mean, here's the thing. It's the plug. It's the plug that's getting you. We never talk about it. But Tony Stark going to Aunt May's house to be like, I need to win a war. I need this 15-year-old is wild.

Child soldiers. Child soldiers is not right. Honestly, honestly, Tony should have been in jail. Like, Tony should have been locked up. Tony should have been in jail. Thank you so much, Charles. It's injuring. Not doing you.

A minor. Taking them to another country. Giving him a weapon of mass destruction and be like, hey, kid, here you go. Also leveling Sukovia. No, we know what we should do? We should do a podcast. the 10 most un-PC moments in the history of the MCU.

Half of them are an Iron Man 1. Half of them. We have to screw it. We have to. It was a different time. No, no, no, no, no. It's like 10 of them right there. It's like half hour is nuts.

It's bad. It's not real tough. You know what I mean? Like we have to look at all of the moments, just the, the, maybe not on PC, just the, 10 most fucked up things Tony's so problematic. Oh, I mean, no, Cap has a few. Cap was out here time travel and tapping

familial ass. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he... Cap was... Cap is bad, bro. Cap, think about it. Massive, bro. Cap didn't tell his friend, his war buddy, that his other war buddy

killed his parents. All right. Oh, that's a wrap. Fantastic. Follow us. socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save, joanies, job. This Monday, the House of R will be giving you their deep dive into Spider-Man across the Spider-verse.

Mal and Joe, Joe and Mal. Please check out the Giovanni experience on the Prestige TV podcast. We talked about the last episode of Succession, me and the high evolutionary. It was really great. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys will return with either a time travel draft

or best animals. in fanimal a fanimal draft. All of this is being worked out in real time. This is the way we plan our show with the mob and with the writers. So we'll see if they can do it, if they can do it if not. We'll do the other draft. But at some point we're going to do

the best animals in fandom. I have animals that you guys have no clue about. Because these are animals from the fandom of my youth. And the question is right now, do Transformers Beast Wars animals count? No, of course. No. No. No, they count. They're animals.

What are you talking about? No. They're robots. They're robots. The robots in disguise. What the fuck? What are we doing? What are we doing?

No, no, no, no, no. So wait a minute. It's an animal. It's a transforming animal. It's a robotic animal. It's an animal. If I pick, so I can pick Red Wing from Captain America Civil War because it's a robot animal. Yeah.

To me, Red Wing is actually an animal, though. Animal. I mean, the comics, yeah. The actual Red Wing and the comics, animal. I say it's an animal. I say it's an animal interpretation. Our droids. Deroids don't count, though. Those are robots.

Do droids don't count? Deroys don't count. The animal adjacent will pets. Definitely not people, according to Star Wars. But Steve, agenda. Jesus. But Sweden, Steve is on a different level. That bear meat is in his heart. Sweenven. Sweening. Sweenin. Sweenin.

Sweening. I love that. Sweaving. Sweening. Sweenin Swiven. Swiven, Swamp, Swiven, Swamp. an amazing. Sweevin's swelman. Like, Sweevin is doing his Sweean-Swallman over here.

Scandinavia Steve out here. Both of the midboys is jet lag. Jomi got mad. You guys got to watch because Jomey got mad during the Sony talk. We got to go. She was so dumb.

Jome got mad. Hey, congrats on making a couple Easter conference finals. Awesome. Well done. Shit. It's crazy.

All right. Next Friday, in addition, turns to give you their reactions to Transformers Rise of the Beast. Jomey, maybe if you don't want to respect their autonomy, maybe you should get out of here. Our producer is Steve, the architect almond.

What was his name again? Sweenable. Sweden almond. No, no, Sweeney, Swamp. Swampin Swamon. Swampin Swamon is one of our posts. Jomey, a dinner on socials, hashtag. Jomey's got five on it.

It's not going away. No, no, no, sorry. I put it a different one. Oh, it's JetLegg Jomey on the Paris. five. Oh, I love that. Pretty good. Hashtag, Jelag, Jomi, and the pairs five. That's what I'm talking about. That five-inch baguette.

An additional production from Arjuda Ramqabal. Amen. Charles, take us out. Across the Spiderverse is a 12. Spider-Punk. is a bitch. And Steve, please put down the bear meat and pick up a delicious

beef sandwich. Beez! Guys, I almost forgot it. We have to bring this because we're talking. We're in relationship corner. Have y'all seen the Shamique Moore and Haley Seinfeld clip? Dog, I don't want to do.

No. It's wrong. No, bro. It's tough, bro. Shamique is with Hameke is with Haley Steinfield? No, no. No, no. He tries to shoot his shot.

Oh, no. No, no. No, I'm dropping it in the chat. Everybody got to watch him. No, no, bro. It's real. I got to see this. It's real, it's real pain.

Jummy, you'd do way better in front of Haley. I would, but his thing now, bro. I would. I would. I would. Man, you already know my game on 10, you feel me. But Josh Allen now in the cut, that's a little bit different. Because now...

Josh Allen is. dating Haley Stonfield? Haley Stonfell, right? So you pull up on Haley, Josh don't like that. He sent a couple DTs and a couple of old linemen to your house. No, he don't even need to send no DT. Josh Allen would fuck Shemich Moore. Bro.

You do six? Did you do like six six? Josh. Josh Allen fucking like Paul, Shemich Moore would literally have to put the Glock 19 or Josh Allen. Josh Allen could throw a gummy bear like 100 yards. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's a bad situation.

It's looking grim. It's looking grim. That's almost like a Vladimir, Klitschko, a Hayden Pantitiare type situation. Pentee. How are you saying? How are you saying?

Hayden Pennateaier. I just called her the girl from Heroes for a long time. Yeah, that's like, remember how like you looked at them? He was like, man, that's like a interesting thing. All right.