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to present. What the fuck? Yeah, got announced this morning. Yeah, got announced this morning. And if you're going to recommend it, don't be around Steve because that shit I'm hearing it's 4.50. In Japan, it's like 3.303. 4.50 for the base and then 500 with Mario Kart.

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The fucking flight. A flight to Japan is $200 to make up for that? What math are you? Well, I'm telling you, what you could do is, now, you can't really do nothing because I was going to say maybe somebody Japanese could, like, make a lot of money, you know, smuggling switches into the country.

But then you can't do that because then the expenses to get the switches into the country. You just got to pay that next. I don't want the bootleg switch. I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to place. You keep saying y'all voted for her. Who is y'all? Not me.

A bunch of y'all. The collective, y'all. Get fucked over. Look at the camera. Don't look at me. Don't look at me. Yeah. It's, no, it's y'all.

The people are your tax bracket, man. Nigger. You want some taxes. Hey. Now, if we had a true Gen Zier here, because they, they, they, but Jomi is kind of like a fake Gen Zier. Zillennial. He's a millennial.

Okay, I'll take that. I take that. That shot and I got to roll with that. I got to roll with that. Back to Nintendo Switch too, though. So the Switch is, the old Switch is defunct now? I mean, not defunct. It's just they're rolling out a new joint.

When is it dropped? June. Yeah. Fifth. Nigger, what? Yeah. Wow, that's exciting news. Yeah.

Nintendo, hook us out with some Switches. Also, House of Arr gives you their Daredevil Deep Dive. A Monday Mint Edition returns with Jeff. Hell yeah. With another edition of Here comes the pitch. Here comes the pitch. Here comes the pitch.

Got to come be my bitch. Come be my bitch. And here comes the pitch. We got to clip that. Okay. I'm just saying. Here comes the pitch. That's a good song.

But today's show, we give you our instant reactions to the latest episode of Daredevil Born again. Also, some nerd news. Some very furious nerd news happening. Fast and furious with the nerd news. Okay.

By the way, last thing I say, not last thing I'll say. You guys, the link to the nine-hour Secret Wars Explaner, it's on Comics Explained. Okay? If you go on YouTube and you type in nine-hour Secret Wars Explaner, it will pop up. That means there's no real reason to ask me for the link.

What? Damn. Why are you the article of that link? I've provided the link several times. But it's like it's on YouTube. It has millions of views. Shout out to Rob and Comics Explained. They want you to serve the winnie.

And comics story. Yeah. Like, I know. But what I'm saying is, it's on YouTube. It's literally, I think people thought that I was making it up, that there was actually a nine hour of Secret Wars Explanter video. But there is. And he goes through every fucking thing. It's really awesome.

But just go on YouTube and, you know, get through. It's on there for you. Don't ask me for the link again. That's so funny. You know you're going to be filled with people asking you now, right? I'm saying, but I won't pay attention to it anymore. I provide a shit. With everything that's going on in your pod world,

I feel like people asking you for a nine-hour explainer is the, like, it's pretty nice. Hey, look. You know? I'm telling you straight up right now, I stand by everything that's happened on higher learning. And I'll say this, man, we got to, you know, rip our, if I can do better, then I can do better.

That's cool. but we got to stop being so afraid of shit that is offensive to it. So you know, it's crazy because you mentioned the higher learning stuff. I was thinking about that. You did the one thing I promised myself I would never do again. Which is. Watch a Pierce Morgan video. Well, Pierce Morgan was on, I was on the show.

I know. Right. I see him as an automatic click off. I was supporting you. I was like, let me give my boy a like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I have fun on Pierce Morgan. But you did have fun. You did.

You definitely have fun. I have fun. on on Pierce Morgan, man. I like doing that type of shit. I like having conversations with these people. Boy, Jillian Michaels was screaming going crazy. Oh, my God, Jillian. I don't even want to.

Y'all go watch me on Pierce Morgan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. God, what you're so mad about, Julian? You're in great shape. On Zoom? Like, on Zoom, too. You can't be mad on Zoom. You can't be that mad on Zoom.

You all in the shot, Bose. We both literally just like, go, go, go, what a ham. All right. Spoiler warning. Daredevil, MCU, everything right now. We're getting ready to talk about Daredevil. Born again.

You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Midnight Manifest, Chuck. All right, I'm not going to hold you as fucking early as shit. You got a flight to catch. I did not prep this. We're going off the dome. All right.

So, this is your Midnight Manifest for episode seven of Daredevil. Art for Rete. Stig, directed by David Boyd, written by Joe Blankenship. If I can remember what happened in this episode. All right. So Matt is very dramatically taking a shower. And then Heather is like, oh, man, that ass is looking good. So she goes in there.

And she's like, damn, you're beating up. He's like, shut the fuck up. Let's have sex. So they have sex. But then the next one, she's tripping. And she's just like, where have you been at night? And he's like, I'm walking around. And sometimes I'm not getting to stuff.

And then he says This relationship just feels fake ma So then Muse Mews is essentially like Damn Heather you're a bad bitch You made me want to be a serial killer So then he tries to kill her And then Daredevil bust through

The window like the fucking Coalin Man Beats the shit out of Mews Then Heather grabs a blicky Shoots Mews to shit And then King Finn is like To the vigilante task force Hey yo

We did this We did this And that has been your midnight Manifest That's pretty great That's pretty good We need more Rift Manifests

I think this episode This episode This episode was a little strange I don't know if this episode I don't know if this season of TV Has ever known what they kind of wanted to do with news I've been like waiting for like the big news thing to kind of just like happen.

Like, why is he doing this? Is he going to be scary? And by the time he, and like he was killed during this episode, I was like, oh, okay. Damn. So I was like this episode, there was stuff to like about it. There was stuff that was really entertaining. I just kind of was confused by the muse of it all. I don't know if he was the exact villain you might have wanted to pick for like a reboot.

So what's the coolest thing that Muse did? did, let's talk about muse as a character. Okay, sure. Because I think that's actually a good place to start. Specifically, the scene where it's becoming obvious that he is musing on up. Yes. That he is muse. I thought that scene worked really well.

To your point about muse overall, I just don't think there's probably not enough muse in the series for the character. No, I agree. It did start it when he was talking to Heather. and you see him slowly change. Yeah. And like the serial killer is coming out. I'm just like, oh, this is what I've been waiting for the entire season. And then he's dead in like 15 minutes.

And yeah, it felt like that conflict, the episode prior kind of came a bit early, given the resolution that happens immediately after in this episode. Because that kind of felt like a finale level fight or confrontation of like, oh my God, like Matt's been unleashed. He's letting it off the chain. we have this kind of like post-mortem of, okay, well, this is who Muse actually is. This is why he is the way that he is. And now there's going to be an actual final fight that's very bloody and violent and pretty cool.

But it felt like just a tiny bit inert. But I'm not mad about it because, again, it had like a nice little enveloped two episodes for Muse. But I guess that's that. But why didn't Muse have more of a relationship, I guess, with Heather, therapist because the last time we saw them together, unless I'm forgetting something, was what, in the premiere? It was like in episode two. Episode two, when he goes to her book premiere, they're talking.

And then I guess this is the second time that they're meeting. And I was just, I was like, are we missing an episode? Did they cut something out? What? Even the backstory a little bit, I was confused. I'm like, is this backstory supposed to be explaining why Muse maybe has hands? because as a child, Taekwondo.

Yeah. He did Taekwondo for like a huge. Well, you guys know how I feel about that. Which is for the people who haven't heard. So, like even the Cape Bishop thing. So we talked about this. I don't want to go back and relitigate it

because you guys get so mad. The quarter flip is like, you know, Cape Bishop takes karate every single summer or she's in karate. Sure. And then so she can fight with Avengers. See, what they used to do.

By the way, this is not me taking a shot at Cape Bishop, because you guys love Kate Bishop so much. We love Kate, yes. I know. And I'm not saying I don't like her. But there used to be a time harkening back to where if someone had extreme martial art skills, there was some kind of extraordinary explanation as to why.

Sure. So you trained with the League of Shadows or an old blind man who's lived his entire life as a deadly martial artist essentially adopted you. and beat you the shit teaching you how to fight. I remember reading in Spider-Man comics. They had to explain like, oh,

Spider-Man doesn't have martial arts powers. He has to go to Shang Chi to learn that shit. When he lost a Spide's sense and had to learn how to fight. Yeah, exactly. So there always was, to your point,

an explanation of like, oh, I spent every moment, waking moment of my childhood getting the shit beat out of me by a mentor. Like some kind of dojo master. Right. You got to kill Bill. She is like the craziest bosman.

Please. Like, Kill Bill, she's the crazy, but you see her for years, Karen shit up, like punching the little wood thing. And you're like, okay, this would make a bad motherfucker. Mews took karate. Taekwondo. And he's fucking with Daredevil. It's just funny. I get it.

I get it. And Daredevil fucked him up. Yeah. I don't mean it is funny. But Darnev's girlfriend had to basically be like this take it. Right. But this is a daredevil show if Matt's love interest isn't putting the blicky into one of our villains. Oh yeah, because Karen also is a fucking killer.

Got Wesley out of there. Karen's, Karen, I miss Wesley. You know what, this was the first show that I really feel like Heather's character worked, though. Yes, I'm sure. Yeah, I liked her. Like, I liked her as the therapist. I could see for some reason the therapy stuff with Vanessa and Kingpin is a little inert to me. However, the therapy stuff with Mews seem to have the kind of tension,

maybe because of the danger in the room, that worked. I wish we would to see more of that. I kind of actually wish that the reveal of who Mews is actually wasn't telegraphed or probably telegraphed way further in advance. Like, say we know who Mews is earlier on in the season, and he's just another client that Heather has throughout the season that it kind of builds and builds as to like, oh, wow, he's a lot more disturbed and, like, unwell than we initially thought.

And it culminates in both her having it out with him in a therapy session and Matt meeting each him, like, at the, at that therapy session. And then that whole fight scene comes out. Would you rather have had it where we don't know Muse's Muse or whether we're with her and she's figuring out Musing News? The latter. Over the course of episodes. I honestly think, I agree with you, I'm liking Heather.

as a character a lot. The one thing to me that I think this series is tripping up on is everyone knows everyone. And what I mean by that is, so Matt is dating Heather, who is also the therapist for Kingpin and Vanessa, but she's also the therapist for the serial killer running around. And even the moment when, like, I think Kingpin learns that Muse is going over to Heather's, I'm like, this is just, I think Heather could have just been the therapist for Muse. and that would have been intriguing and exciting enough because the marriage shit to me,

even the Vanessa plot line from this episode, I was kind of like... Oh, dude. I don't know what's going on over there. Neither do I. I have no idea what's going on over there. Because they have the... They're in the therapy sessions.

They're like, we want to make it work. Let's try hard. I don't feel like he could hurt me, this and that and a third. Then a couple episodes later, she's like, actually, get him up out of here. Yeah, send them to hell. You know what I mean?

It's like, send who to hell? Kingpin? Yeah. I don't think that was an actual hit on Kingpin. I think she set the guy up to get killed. So I think that. Not exactly the most well. Well, no, I do think that she was taking the information as like she does want to get back out there.

And this was like, I'm not going to sell out my husband for this, jabroney. But, you know. Sure. Okay. But let's be crystal clear. It is unclear. right now whether or not it's unclear whether or not

Vanessa sent a track suit guy or whatever it is, Irish dude Luca Luca. It's unclear whether or not she sent him to kill Kingpin or whether or not she sent him to get killed. I read it as she

sent him in there knowing that Kingpin had... Yeah, would have the defensive would have the defensive, would have the guy lying and wait to kill him. However, it could have been that Kingpin knew that she is double dealing and was ready for the assassin that she sent. I think we're going to find that out in the next episode. Oh.

I read it as she set the guy up to get him. I write that way, too. Because he also's like, do you want to take something home for Vanessa, right? Does Vanessa want something from the restaurant? So maybe this was like a setup, but it's unclear. So you're saying if you thwarted your wife's plot to kill you that you're not going to bring her nothing home to eat? No. You still got to bring her something home.

But I'm saying that to your point. If you, you still got to bring yourself home to eat. Wow. That's crazy, gentlemen. So what you're saying? You got to talk it out. You got to take I'm getting off. So what you're trying to kill you when you go out to eat.

You don't like you want something. Like, you want me to bring you home something. That is not at all. Even if y'all fight. Even if you're on the argument, actually bringing of the food is the best way. Peace off for an argument. That's how you be like, hey, you know what I'm saying? That's what parents do.

You know, when they're wrong and then they be like, you eat today? It's like, oh, man. Okay, first of all, I didn't have to ask that question anymore. You guys, because they always were there. Don't ask me if I ate. I was like, I got to do it. I'm sorry. I don't mean to derail the podcast.

This is a little latitude. I got to tell a story. I tried one time. So me and dad had gotten to it bad. Bad. And dad will come back and he would sometimes bring food and it would be great.

Dad would get, I think I told you all this, he would get the BK. Big Fish, double patty, Big Fish, dressed like a whopper. That motherfucker is busing.

I don't know if it's still busing now, but he used to go to, they wouldn't make it for me like they made it for him. I think the one that was sweet on that. Dad would go there and he would get, he would get the Big K. Big Fish sandwich.

And double patty, dressed like a wopper with, And we will sit down and go to town, right? Me and him getting to it. Oh, it's some baseball shit. Me and him getting to it. He comes back. He's like, hey, boy, I got the, I got some Burger King.

Comes in there to sit down. We eat in the Burger King. I looked at him and I was like, yeah, the Burger King is cool, dad, but this time I'm going to need an apology. Oh, man. Uh-oh. I was like, I'm going to actually need you. If you're saying sorry, I'm going to need you to say sorry.

Yeah. Nigger, do you think you can whip my ass? What? Nigger, say, apologize. This motherfucker, he's crazy. Dad's looking around, nobody's in the house. Right, yeah. Like, this.

This motherfucker, you, nigga, you must think you can whip my ass. What is there to apologize to? I'm the bull in this house. Your motherfucking, get your mother. Knock the fucking food over. Knock the food. the food on the ground, and I'm sitting there like,

God damn, I wanted that Big Big Big. So in that instance, did you think that you overplayed your hand there? Yes. And I was, like, looked at me, like, I'm like, I wanted that BK.K. Big Fish, too. You know what you do? Get your motherfucking ass up

and go apologize to them horses. Go in there and clean them stables. Apologizing them. That was that. Wait, can I ask in 2025, are they? I don't know what they are. Because they didn't used to.

Because my parents weren't about, Apolly. There was a fuck no. Now, when you grow up, you grow up and then it becomes a little, you know, adults talking to adults.

Then it's like, hey, whoa, I was adults talking to adults and they still got us. No, I mean, you know, you're,

you're their kids still. They still, you know, but it's a little bit of like, we can come to an agreement here, you know what I'm saying. It's not just like, you know,

point down, it's, you look out of, I'm talking to my dad now. I'm not that I, my dad, but I don't know these dead are now. But I told you guys what my dad used to do,

Yeah. It made me sit down on the ground. Yeah. Wait, what? I never told you all this. Like, when my dad was talking to me, because I grew taller than him, I was taller than him. I was tall into him by the time I was in the ninth grade. My dad was only like five, ten.

So he just made me sit down on the ground, Indians stopped. The biggest fight we ever had was the one time I went, now you can talk to me right here. You do you. He was like, once again, the hat came off. He said, stop. He would always look around for an imaginary group of people. Stop? Like, nah, I'm not.

sitting down, he was like, I'm proud of you, son. Now let's get to it. I'm glad we all here. He's like, now let's get to it. He's like, I'm going to put something on my ass. When I respected my dad was like, what time he put his fist through my chest?

Oh, bro. That's so strong, bro. I swear to God. Dad's strength. My dad never did that. My dad deserves you too. He's like, oh, you think you to play. They push on you and it's like he would have hit you.

And he would be like touching your kidney or something like that. And they'd be like, nigga, that hurts for real. God damn. Anyway, let's get back to awful child of you. So him bringing Vanessa food back leds credis to your point that he knew that she would get Luca to the restaurant and that New Wesley would shoot him and take care of the problem. I was slightly maybe, not slightly, significantly. more interested in the Will Vanessa

strike out on her own thing than I have been in anything else that's going on. But it's such an interesting thread that is just kind of being thrown together. Look, would you rather have the Vanessa sneaking around

doing a crime thing versus the Vanessa and Wilson therapy? I think it kind of goes hand in hand if you could make it work right. I'm not going to continue to reiterate the troubled and much-storied production that kind of undergirds the narrative of this show. However, if those two things are executed, like if you're firing on all cylinders, if you know narratively exactly what it is that you're doing, then what you have is a scene or scenes, should I say, where Vanessa and Wilson Fiske are in therapy, and that is actually eroding the bond between. them to the point to where she feels like she wants to control the underworld without him.

Now, it's a weird thing about Daredevil, about this part of Daredevil, of Daredevil Born Again, is that this stuff is still working and the show is still good, even though they're obviously not doing it right. Even though it's obviously a little thin, it's, I still, maybe it's a past connection to the characters, but I still at the end of the show was like, is she going to actually take a shot at Wilson here? Like, what's going to happen? And when that happened, that was character development all over. Wilson getting closer to Kingpin,

maybe Vanessa getting closer to Wilson. You're seeing the deadliness of Wilson's right-hand man. What's the guy's name again? Buck. Buck. Buck. He ain't my man, no. I fuck with Buck. He's not.

He's not Wesley. He's not Wesley. Oh, no, he's not. Oh, Wesley was the man, Russ and piece, Wesley. I don't think Wesley should have died. He wasn't. I don't know. It was so funny.

What are you getting to do? Shoot me. Boom. Wait, can I ask you? Like, do you feel like this episode was almost had like a meta moment to it? Where when Matt is talking to Heather and explaining why like the relationship is not working, he's like, he says something to the effect of like, dog, this doesn't feel real. You know, you're not foggy. You not caring.

This feels fake. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, was this a rewrite? Was this like them talking to the audience being like, hey, guys, we know this is a new life for Matt. You know what? Like similar, like, we're, it almost felt as if we're, we were Heather in that scene. And Matt is trying to, like, tell us, like, it's going to be fine. I know my people aren't around.

I know I'm fighting in the daylight. I didn't even think about that. That's a great, yeah, that's a great interpretation of the scene. I thought it was crazy that he was like, this feels fake to his girl. Because I thought he was talking about the relationship at first. And I was like, yo, bro, imagine you and somebody, your long-term partner is like, just after the shower is sexy, like, this whole thing feels fake. It's like, whoa. All right.

Yeah, that is crazy. The way the other was looking this episode, I'm like, Matt, get the fucking out of here, bro. Heather got it, bro. I don't believe. I don't believe Mac can see. You're telling me he gets all these women and doesn't know what they look like? I mean, well, I mean, you know, there's more to women than just, like, physical, you know. This is what Matt's doing?

This is what Matt's doing? He can fill her. Wait, what? Can I quarter flip really quick? Yeah. All right. Quarter flip for this episode. So after basically being like,

you not hitting like Karen was, you fake as hell, whatever, then he's like, I'm sorry and starts like feeling her face to feel how beautiful she is. And then Daredevil goes to Muse's layer and he starts feeling the paintings. And he's like, oh no. I was like, all right, man. So, this is all right, man. So Daredevil, actually one of his powers, his extrasensory powers or abilities,

you guys don't want to say their powers, but the nigger can hear them. I think they're powers. They're powers. Okay. So he can feel regular words. Yes. And they will be,

he doesn't need braille. He can feel regular words, right? Which is pretty awesome when you think about it. Yeah. So if he could do that, he could definitely feel, paintings don't work like that how they don't like he he's feeling

the fucking thing but it's a combination of like color and texture and all of those other things like there was not enough paint on that paper that is going to completely mirror how someone's face feels in 3D that makes no sense

you know weird it's a couple of it yeah but like obviously it's insane it's like all right guys artist rendered a person's face on a canvas exactly the same way. If you can feel the word up

or there, then you could feel somebody feeling a word is different than like, I can feel the contours of the face painting and it feels just like so stupid. This is ablest in some way I'm not sure. I agree. I agree. Yeah, I think we're falling down a rabbit hole here.

It's two things. One, it shows how good of an artist muses, right? Because obviously he got all the ridges of her face right. So when he felt her face and then he felt the picture. It was like, oh. I would have loved it if he was feeling it's like, wow.

If this was a sculpture, I could understand. 3D figure, 3D face. But then to my second point, if you mentioned this, the show, the show gives it to us. He fills her face. He feels a thing. It's like, he does what? He fills her face. Then he fills the painting.

All right, guys. All right, man. What's going on your life, Joe? What are you doing? Jummy, what's happening? A lot clearly. Does he not feel her face? That poem.

That poem on Friday it locks up. He fills her face. That's exactly what he did. How else do I say? You mean feels F-E-E-L-S? Yes. I thought you were talking about F-I-L-S. He feels...

That's different. Her face, and then he goes... Because he's trying to connect with her in that moment. He's trying to, you know, have a central moment with her, whatever. Then he goes to the painting and he feels that. You see that economy... Sure. It's the same thing.

It works. Thematically, yeah. But if you think about it for too long... It's not the craziest thing about that scene, though. The crazy thing about the scene is the cop comes in. Oh, yeah. He hits the cop with the, which is fucking hysterical. That was so funny.

First of all, that scene doesn't need to be in there. First of all, they could have just cut away. He could have just left. He could have just left. He hits the cop with the thing. The cop then has zero bruise. He's knocked unconscious here. He's back.

That nigger is he's got special Bruce Willis unbreakable skills because he's getting his ass kicked by Daredevil Matt. He got fucked up before. Kulika actually pointed this out. He's like he got super fucked up and all he had was like a little eye situation.

Yeah, yeah. Like a black eye. But he showed no ill effects of being hit with the Billy Club directly between the eyes and knocked unconscious. Didn't even mention it by the way. I was going to say, how are you going to be on the phone, Wilson?

He's like, yeah, you know, Daredevil's here. And I was like, anything else have? He's like, nah, man. got out there, Skyl free, bro. He tried me, but you know he couldn't catch you. Let's talk about the emergence of a character that I was actually really, really interested to see. Michael Gandalfini's character in this,

who finally laid the hammer down on BB and kind of had his heel turn when he was sitting behind Fisks, the desk, right there, his office desk. Like, I thought that was a pretty well-played scene from him being that BB totally fucked him over. Yes, soding.

And I thought he was kind of going to cut out, but he actually came back and kind of dropped his nuts a little bit. We kind of see what he's going to be. Michael Gailofi's doing his thing in this. I'm really proud of him. Like, he's really doing it. But the only thing about that storyline that I was just kind of like, hmm, is I feel in the same way that it felt like

muse kind of just disappeared for half a season and then just pop back up. Yeah. I feel like BB is also, I was just like, oh shit, BB is hot. show. Yeah. Like,

I don't know why this show has a very hard time with, like, basically, like, keeping a lot of these characters on the board. Because I'm... Character consistency. Yeah, because I'm going to be. Like, BB story I actually think is, like, interesting in terms of just like,

all right, what is this woman going to do? Is she going to go down the same route as her uncle and basically be a true journalist, fight for what's right? Or is she going to make the other decision? But it's also... At the same time,

the show also, kind of feels that it's clearly trying to spin a bit too many plates. It's not to the point of cataclysm and like it doesn't work, but it just works so much in small amounts for every other character in the margins of this show. Like we just get enough of Heather to where she kind of works as a character this late in the game for the show. Bibi, like we're reminded of her and then you're like, oh yeah, that's a nice little touch that they added. The BBee B. reports are nice little, you know, canvases about like what people in the city, think about how Daredevil and Vigilanteism

is going around. It just feels like if we took away a couple of those things in order to like buoy up a bit more of the either side characters or main plot lines, I think the show would have been a bit more stronger. I could be wrong. Oh no, I agree with you. I mean, even Cherry, like, that scene

with Cherry to me didn't land. If Jerry walks in, he's like piss, he's just like, Matt, how could you be Daredevil again? And then Matt makes a pretty good point. He's just like, hey, yo, the serial killer kills 60 motherfuckers, man. Like, what do you want me to do. I, like, I found him. And I was just like, oh, Cherry hasn't been on this show long enough and his relationship with Matt. Yeah. Has not been developed long enough for, for the cop and vigilante

relationship to really work for me because I don't actually know what their relationship was like. Because the thing like paper is like, oh, he was the one that was with him when Foggy died and saw that Matt was Daredevil. But I got it. So they clearly bonded over that over the years. Like he was the cop who was constantly calling Daredevil. He says it. Right. But like, and then when Foggy dies in episode one, like he clearly sees that that's Matt. They clearly got him in the Foggy role, which is kind of doesn't really work in terms of we don't like your point.

We don't know him enough for when he's like, you can't be Daredevil man. This start your life for like, all right, bro, we just met you six episodes ago. Like it just not really hit the same. Yeah. It's when fog. You could have some connections in the force, but it's not really going to... I've known you my whole life,

this, that, and the third. Which, by the way, he rescued Angela, a little girl, right? She might have died if Darryl hadn't showed up. Yes. And he's giving Daredevo all that flag.

I'd have been like, bro, say, a little girl, except for her life, leave me alone. I'm the last person he'd be talked to right now. More people could have died. That girl could have died.

More people could have died. If you don't get you... If you don't... I would have talked to him crazy after that. If I was a vigilante... I would do way more stuff like that. Well, if I was, if I was Batman,

I would like eat lunch in front of the cops. Like the cops would be sitting there. Not if you were White Tiger though. On a stakeout. And I like zip down, like it comes down and hey, how are you guys doing? Like there's a hoagie shop

just posted up on a light on here. Like I'm better than you. I'm better than you. I do this job better than you. I put the hoagie in my mouth. Grapple hook. You know what I'm saying? I would talk them all the time.

Right. Who are you to tell me? The whole city dies. Thank you, Bozeman. The whole city dies of water poisoning, if not for me. You don't talk to me. Like, you don't talk to me. They think it's more of a partnership.

Maybe it is. But there's the junior partner and the senior partner. Technically, Commissioner Gordon is the OG. Could be. Maybe I won't talk to Gordon like that. Bullock? I'm shitting on Bullock. But like regular, regular beat cop, you don't talk to me.

No. Cherry, why did you? Okay, I'd have been like, if I was Matt, it would be so funny if Matt was like Kevin Hart. You know, if, like, if Matt was Kevin Hart, if Matt got the glasses on, Matt, like, hey, hey, shut up, nigger. Did you find the girl? No, this. I don't know why this conveys blind. What was the, it was that?

Because he's blind. Because he doesn't even help you this. Romanceous He's like, he's talking Is it going to be short? Is that why he's just higher? This would be Kevin Hart if he was doing it. Right.

You know what I mean? So he's blind. He's like, you know, he's like, get off me. You don't talk to me like this. Yeah. But I do need you to run these plates because I can't do that. I don't have the database. Then the lady in the, the, the, Matt's partner, what their name?

McDuffie. So McDuffie comes in and I don't like what they did with McDuffey. in this episode. I don't either. Because they made McDuffie the nagging wife of this episode. And I don't think that serves her character very well. No. Well, because I think Karen in the previous series, what I think they did with her is they always gave her a story.

Like, she had a relationship with Yurick. She was always hunting down something. There was always a mystery. Like, she could be a little bit of the nagging wife. But at least she had something, like she had her own wants and needs. To your point, I should say nagging spouse, because I nagged the shit. We nagged too. Yeah.

Nagging spouse. We nagging spouses. We nagging spouses. Midnight progressive. Midnight progressives. Midnight progressives. That's progressive. This is progressive.

Midnight progressive. Sure. But go ahead. I'm sorry. No, but I think McDuffie, it was, I think that Cherry McDuffey seemed didn't work because it was like neither of you have really interacted with. I haven't seen as the audience member, you interacting with mad enough for either of these relationships to feel like they have any weight?

Because to be fair, what's McDuffie's relationship with fucking Matt? Well, we haven't spent enough time in a law firm because I'm assuming that they cut a lot that shit out. So we haven't spent a tremendous amount of time, like, watching them work together, which we probably would have got if this was the more standard case of the week show that I think that they were going to make at first. So now I think we're kind of not struggling, but we're the show. show and the audience is searching for how these characters show up and manifest themselves.

I don't think you're wrong. I mean, even with them kind of cutting out a lot of the stuff, I feel Mews, the vigilante task force. I feel like all of those are suffering because the villain of this season is obviously Wilson, but Wilson and Matt never get to meet. Wilson is stuck in the mayor's office. Matt is running around. and I think you need villains that Matt can interact with more.

And he's not doing that either. So that's the most confusing thing about the show for me is that every single week we're like, okay, this is the villain that Matt's going to have to deal with the coming weeks. And whether it's Villanji Task Force, oh, it's, oh, it's Muse. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Oh, Muse dies. Okay, so who is it?

What do we got now? Yeah, it's just like very confusing. We know that the overall person is fixed to your point. point, but they don't interact. They don't get together. And that's not even so much that his like choices, Fis's choices in the background are affecting Matt in the present. I mean, not really, though.

Not really, though. Exactly, right? And the episode begins with like, oh, Daredevil's back. And Fisk is so mad. And he has this kind of ass-backwards rationale to why he hates Daredevil. I love that scene. Yeah, man. I mean, I think Donofrio is doing a great job acting that scene because it's like really,

it's like really like man-child. petulant behavior. It's like, I had a reputable business and there was a lot of hard workers. And he came and he shook them down. It's like, brother, you were selling drugs. Yeah. It's not the same thing. No, no, no. You was making blue collar

millionaires. But look, so I thought that the fist stuff worked in this episode. I think that the fifth stuff is working and let me tell you why. I think that when we get to the end of this nine episode tranche, what we're going to see is that what it's actually about

is Matt consolidating power as Daredevil and Fisk consolidating power as Kingpin. Matt consolidates power by trauma building, honestly, by building up enough motivation to go out and become Daredevil. Fis does it by actually tooling up, getting enough people around him that can enact as well. That's where the Visualized Task Force comes in.

That's where Buck and Michael Gandalfini's character comes in, he needs the structure or the infrastructure around him to go and be kingpin. He actually, in that scene, is

sort of bemoaning the structure that he built that Matt destroyed. Yeah. So he's going, hey, man, like it took 10 years for me to get a Wesley, for me to get all of this stuff. And this motherfucker swang in and destroyed.

Yeah. I don't Which is also crazy because he's like, Kingpin is like, my plan was foolproof. And I felt for Kingpin because I'm like, damn, you like build your whole situation. I don't for him too. And then it was like, oh, this crazy motherfucking in a devil costume starts fucking shit. I'd be pissed. So this took me three years. White man did it in one week.

Took me three years. White man did it in one week. So this is the part of these movies that we never talk about. So look at Bowman over there, like trying to get a donut. No, no donut. Not for you. No, sir. Waking up in the middle of the fucking night.

You're about to get on the couch? That's cute. Oh, we're going to get on the couch. Oh, yeah, Bozeman. The people can't see nor, you can't see this. He's perched. I know, but there's on the couch, he looks cute. He's a little dog.

He's a king dog. So when you're watching these drug dealer movies, the montage of them building their shit, man, it's always fun, bro. watching them, like, in Scarface. That's why I like Snowfall. Snowfall. That first couple seasons, you're like, hell.

It's like, they drug dealers and it's bad. No. We say no here on the Midnight Boys. But when you see it, when you... Whoa. I'm completely saying it. Okay, there you go. Charles doesn't completely say no.

Sell drugs to kids. Charles, Charles Holmes. I want to think, I would have... Charles Bones. Sell drugs to kids. Charles Holmes. All right. But when you see them, like, in the car dealership and they're like,

and it's just music playing over and they're like, that's like, my... Montage and Scarface? Like, yeah, that's fun. Is that the only work montage that we like? That the fall has to come. And the fall is always very sad. But I will say this.

If I had, like, if my life went a different way, I would be like, I would trade my life for like a good, like, five years of just living like. I can't believe we having this conversation. Like, I was having this conversation with my boy Ryan. You know. Meach Meach did 20 Maybe a little bit more

Oh man And I asked I asked my nigger Marian who was in the streets I'm just saying His government name But the nigger was in the streets I asked him

I'm like Would you trade 20 For how Meech lived For 10 And he went Shit Yeah I was like

He was like Hell yeah He was like That nigger was the man And I'm like See I probably wouldn't Was you a big beach from the time you're saying, I'm like, I was right next to him.

That was a great start of our lives. I definitely wouldn't. I don't want to spend one fucking day in prison. Well, no, I'm saying, but here's the thing, if I was going to be a drug dealer ready, like, let's say it got to a point where I'm just like, hey, y'all, I'm not making it out the hood. I'm right, like, I'm right.

What is that day like? That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. That's the movie. You just look around and you go, nope, got ourselves. Yeah. It's me.

No, it was a choice. No, here's the thing that you got, you got one homie, he got the handles. I suck at basketball. You got another nigga who's just like freestyle. I'm just like, dog, I don't got that. Or good at school. Good at school. You can just go through a cavalcade of people that are more talented than you.

That's funny. Like, that's funny. Like you go, you get fucked over in basketball, that's out. Like, you get your grades come back in school. That's out. You go to the studio. You go to the studios. You don't have.

no gymnastics, no chess, none of the other things. You can't play the piano. Like, none of that shit. And you just go, well, dope it is. That's hysteria. That literally is every single fucking drug dealer movie. Yeah. They're just like, damn, I'm the dumbest motherfucker

a lie when it comes to everything else, but I'm a savant in the streets. But then the teachers, like, if you could apply that kind of knowledge to your schoolwork, you know, if you convert ounces. And that's what I hate. Because if y'all ever took calculus, there ain't no calculus and drugs.

I'm like, come on, bro. There's chemistry. Master P said, they say I would have been a chemist the way I work a triple beam. Oh, we got to get back to the show. But I said, that should have been a chemist, the way I work a triple beam. We can get back to the show.

But that is, that's a funny idea. And that's just the wire did that the best. Yes. With Michael's character, just showing. all of the avenues that Mike had, but just how they, one, Marlowe showed up for Mike in a way that nobody else

could, and that sealed his fate. Finish off the episode. What worked for me? The action scenes with muse, the fight with muse, it worked. Yeah, I like that. The swinging, the busting into the window. Oh, I loved it.

That was so funny. That was great. I laughed, but... But it is crazy. It's fun. But I love it. it though. I loved that because that's the kind of superhero shit I want to

see from Daredevil. Yeah. Bust in the window bust some ass. Dodge the, dodge the bullet, right? I loved it. Hit them with the batonnas the bullet. It was cool. Daredevil is working. I'll say this. Daredevil's full costume in the day is, takes a little of getting used to. Yeah. Right? Because we're not

it just looks cooler. It's generally weird to see him in the deck. Can I say something? But that whole thing worked, the tension about whether or not the police would find Heather's office or whether or not Daredevil would find out. I wasn't something else. This is important to say. I wasn't sure if Heather would survive that scene because she could easily die.

The show has set stakes to where Foggy died earlier. And this is a brand new character, which we don't really know what her fate's going to be. So in that scene, I wasn't sure that she was going to make it. it out and it changed the calculus of the scene for me. Well, the trailers they just dropped, ruined it for me. I get, but I hadn't seen those. Because I was scared. To your point, I was just like, damn, she ain't going to make this

out. Please don't tell me they're going to fridge, Heather. And then I remember, I'm like, oh, no, they dropped like the rest of the season trailer where Fiske and never dancing at a ball. And I was just like, oh, she's going to be cool. She'll be good. I mean, but really quick, too. My last thoughts, I hate

when superheroes do this, but it is good storytelling. When takes off the club and he's like, Heather, Heather, and she wakes up and she's like, Daren't know what's saying my name. I'm like, hey, yo, bro, come on. Well, okay, but you could be like, oh, yeah, I mean, I knew who it was. Your name was on the door. Yeah, he could get out of it.

But in scene, I was like, oh, shit, he's fucking up. He's fucking up. So here's my thing. And here's the thing that, like, that this week and last week, kind of like you're getting sloppy, Matt. He's bleeding everywhere all the time. Oh, my gosh. It does not take a genius.

Your blood is evident. is everywhere. At the muse spot, it's a little tough and it's above everybody. You know what I mean? You could like argue false positives or whatever.

It's you, Heather and Mews. Once they find the third blood sample, they just isolate that to figure out who it is. Well, I don't know if they could

just figure out who you are. Maybe. I mean, DNA's got to come a long way. Also the thing about like him carrying around different vials of blood

on him for paintings like that's an easy. That's an easy hell, yeah. This is why I didn't want to do ancestry DNA, mom. Oh, they sold your shit.

Because now, if I was fucking daredevil, and Matt might not have done, you know, like, they need that shit. What it would have, like, would have been like, like, because they have African ancestry, what would it be like? Carcazoid ancestry. Cockazoid?

Yeah. Cacaacestri. I don't think that's right. Cacacacacetri.com would be the one for white people. So, so if, if. I just ask, can you ask me? Yeah. I just, I guess.

would just be ancestry because we have to have the special one everything that's ready. Damn. Oh, by the way, that's a demerit because I'm no race for April for me. I can't talk about race. That's right. That's right. This actually gets us to invite Van to like start conversations about race knowing that he can't do it. No race.

No race. 31 days. 31 days, no race. No race. You ought to. Races out. What I'm saying is they would have my DNA. they might not have Matt Steen.

Matt probably didn't do it. They didn't do Ancestry.com, battling jack's, you know, lenient. I mean, but I will just say with the surveillance state the way it is, all they got to do is get the CCTVs, all the shit. Because like, once they, he busts through the window, I'm just like, let me just track this like,

Daredevil just swinging. Where do you come from? Don't follow me. But they talked about that. That's the thing at the end. He is blackmailing BB to manipulate the actual news another commentary on what power does

to the press at this particular time in our history to say, hey, Daredevil never showed up there. It was the Vigilantic Task Force that took down Muse. Muse is gone. Before we get out of here, Mews is out of here.

Really just kind of almost a living McGuffin. Yes. But we got two episodes left. Where are we going? Well, So vigilante task force, I'm assuming, is going to be the jobbers that Matt's going to have to defeat. Yeah. Before he gets to Wilson, we're going to have to figure out what's going on with Vanessa because I'm still looking at her a little sideways for taking basically meetings and shit.

We don't know what's happening there. And I guess, does Heather make it out of the season a lot? Let me try the in the hospital, man. That's grim. question. If Heather had to go for Karen to come back, is that a trade that we would make? That sucks.

I don't like that. I don't like it either. I don't like that. I have a feeling the show's going to make that trade. If Heather had to go, would you, if you were the GM, if you were the Rob Polinka of Daredevil, would you trade Heather for Karen?

I think that, I think the show is going to make that trade. Well, Bosman doesn't like the misogy. No, the sages. Here's the thing. You know what I would do? Bozeman came over like, I would just,

why do you talk, look at him. He's like, why are you talking about women like that? He's disappointed as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I would do a double,

I would do a double challengers actually with the next season. Oh, wow. Double challengers. You got, it's a, it's basically, you got Heather and Karen on one side,

and then you got cherry and foggy on another. Oh, and you just like, y'all got to duke it out. Sure. Well, foggy's dead. All right. We all, we all know that foggy's coming back.

All right. We don't. Is foggy coming back? You haven't heard all those rumors that like It's gonna take the the plate that I think was on Their law firm is the same number as a comic book Where Foggy Fakes his own death and then comes back to life Oh shit, leave that in the show that would be fucking hard

It would like it is crazy because then that's gonna feel like a like the most projected Course Correction for oh I want it sure It's a comic book story It's a comic storyline on TV. Hey, drop a spoiler warning under the, under the text. For Daryneville Born Again, the comic run that did this. I'm with that. Give me, Karen, and Foggy back.

Where are my friends? I don't know why you got to pick between Heather and Karen. He can just have both of them. And now, now our guy, Matt's got to, like, pick and choose. He got to be like, ah. I love each of them. You know real. A lot of stuff going on.

A lot of stuff going on. You're like, he got options now. Oh, wait, actually, you know what it could be? What if next season, Matt's exes, Karen, Sheeho, Electra. Electra. They just like, we started our own law firm. Fuck you, Matt.

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Nerd news. All right. Chuck. Oh, we're doing, we're done with Daredevil? Yeah. All right, guys, we're doing a little bit of nerd news. So CinemaCon is a happening in Las Vegas. and we've got some very exciting news.

Spider-Man 4 officially has a title, Spider-Man Brand New Day. And Spider-Verse is called Beyond the Spider-Verse. Finally is coming out in 2027. 2020. Will we be alive? You guys are laughing. It's coming out.

Do you have the dates? Can you? I think it's coming out June 227. It's coming out before the Batman 2. Yeah. I have to give Jomi. I have to give Jomi. props here. I have to give Jomey props.

You called this. Jomey, like, Jomey literally called the year. The movie was supposed to come out, what, a year after the other movie? It was supposed to come out this year. And Jomey goes, ha-ha, that movie's coming out in 2027. And there were people that were like, no way. The movies got to come out, but it's not. No. I have to be honest with you.

I don't know how much I'm going to give a fuck about Spider-Verse in 2027. I'll be 40s. It's a crazy cliphanger they left on. Our superhero movies broken just in terms of when they release. Because it's like, we used to be, they used to be printing these fucking movies out. Like every other year, every two years you're going to get the movie. Now it's like between Batman, Spider-Verse, I'm like, God. I think the Batman thing's a little different.

Batman, they got the beef. They got the studio beef. Because I think to your point, if there was like regular business that it's normal at WB, we'd have eight Batman movies by now. You know what I mean? The Spider-Vverse one is. tricky too because, and this something we've talked about on Mint Edition,

the animation stuff is stuff. That takes a long time to do. It takes a long time. Specifically with Spider-Verse, I don't know if you saw, if you read anything about what they were saying about, this specific movie, but it's like, we're trying new animation techniques, and we're doing this. And then, when

across Spiderverse came out, and they were like, oh, remember Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, like, their process is just, like, exhausting. Let me be real. All the animators came out after that movie and we're essentially like, we were put through hell. We were put through hell.

It was a bunch of crunch. Yes. They scrapped entire scenes that were already animated. So when you were like 2027, that makes sense because not only, I think the issue is Spider-Verces almost entered the lane that Pixar movies used to be in. Well, you used to go to a Pixar movie. I remember you used to watch on ABC like, damn, we're going to show you the technology. how we got all the hairs and everything.

And I think Spider-Vers is now the movie franchise where it's like, every single time we come out, we've reinventing the wheel. The only problem with, I understand the, how labor intents of the animation stuff is and all that stuff.

I kind of feel like they should have thought about that before they broke the movie off at that particular point in the story with that kind of cliffhanger. It's such a, like, it ends on such a cliffhanger. They're like, to have something in the can already.

Like, or they just have the ball rolling on something. If you're going to do that, then you kind of need to be in an Infinity Wars in-game situation where you're doing an intensive double production or where you have your production streamlined to the point to where you can give the fans something sooner rather than later. Because you're going to lose the kinetic energy of the ending of the other movie. If we got to come back, man, nigga, that was two years ago. And it's, you gotta wait two more years. Yeah.

It's nuts, man. So, I don't know. I mean, I'm excited to see it, but that's like a long time, man. It'll be all right. I mean, obviously, I think we'll be there. I mean, Avatar, how old was that shit? That was over a decade if people still get in fun. Yeah, that is true.

I mean, that's a good point. The only thing I say about Avatar is that shit. We got whales. We got blue people swimming. Why, y'all hated on Avatar? I hate it. That's that shit. I was watching Avatar.

on the motherfucking Apple Vision Pro, which by the way, I'm back. That was literally one week. So, look, let me tell you something. I spent an entire fucking week in VR. Bro, I bought something. Y'all got to come to the crib, bro.

I bought something called Win Reality Baseball. Okay. And it is a baseball reality VR game. I bought a little baseball back. I got a bat and it's got to control. I'm hitting 90 mile an hour pitches. I'm trying to hit them. It's, I'm playing baseball for real.

I don't give a fuck what you guys out of saying. I don't know if this is baseball. I'm playing baseball for real. Congratulations. So it's just VRB baseball. With a time. With a talented baseball, man. Okay, yeah.

I'm playing baseball for real baseball. You would have loved Wii baseball, man. No, this is better. You would love Wii baseball a little bit. This is better than we baseball because you can play different levels. Brough, sometimes I get a high school pitcher. This nigg is. throwing it like 50.

I'm crushing them. Like, you're a bitch. I'm like, I'm fucking. Wait, is that the average for a high school pitcher 50 miles ago? No, no, no, no. No. Hell no. But, you know, this guy sucks.

And then I go to the major leagues and they're throwing heat. You can't even, it's rating your swing and the swing playing and the MPHs that you're getting. But aren't they throwing different pitches? Like, they're throwing spot ups, changers, a splitter. I almost, bro, I got a fucking, I got calluses on my shit. Like, I'm in there. Our ancestors are rolling in their grain They are.

They sacrifice so much He's ain't got cows in his hands Just got... Our ancestors had cows No race. No race. No race. No race.

No race. No race. So they also announced the Spider-Man 4 movie title A brand new day. Hate it. So he's just dead. Hate it.

No, no, no. It is the comics. Charles, there's no reason for you to hate it. I was with him. I was with him. Why? Y'all were outside. Do you?

Were you outside Wednesday Warrior reading them Spider-Man brand new big comics? I wasn't. For people who don't know. I only got that shit on comics who's playing. So back in the day, there was Civil War. Obviously, he becomes Iron Spider. He's Peter Parker. Then after that, he puts on the black suit because everybody's like, oh, we know you're Peter Parker.

The kingpin is coming after him. All these villains are coming after him. Opme dies. Then there's one more day, which is the Mephisto storyline, where, Mephisto is just like, everybody's going to forget you, including MJ. And then what they did after that is they're like, all right, we're doing brand new day. We're canceling all the Spider-Man titles that are not amazing. We're doing Amazing Spider-Man three times a month.

Y'all niggas need to buy it. And I was pissed. I was just like, because they got rid of MJ. They introduced a new white woman that was essentially just MJ, but different. That's when Mr. Negative came. Like, there was a bunch of shit. And when I, like, saw the title brand new day, I got that. feeling of being like a comics nerd, being so angry, being like, all right, Aunt May's dead,

MJ not up in this bitch, fucking no one, like, like, like, they already kind of done that. Didn't they do a version of, I mean, he is essentially, I mean, there's no Mephisto, right? And there's no Faustian bargain and all that stuff. But he's essentially in that position kind of now because of what happened in Noe Home. And so that's why, like, initially I was hot and I'm less so now because that no way home is basically one more day and they're just using i hope they're just using brand new day to invoke the sense of he's starting from scratch yeah essentially and then maybe we bring in mr negative but it's still a weird because of the the the emotions attached to that that whole run that title it's just it's toxic that run was bad like i remember in the

moment people were just like we hate this so much y'all are stealing from us y'all are robbing us blind, give us back our normal Spidey. And the thing I'm, I'm excited about it, honestly, because what I think brand new day actually shows me is Tom Holland might be treated Spider-Man like this James Bond. He's just like, I'm just going to keep being in these movies until, like, for another trilogy. You know what I'm saying? What's his name till?

I just read this. Oh, Sam, who told Sam? Oh, no. What you might call it told Sam Jackson. Bruce Willis? Bruce Willis told him like, hey, yo, you need to have like a role, an action role with superhero. So when you win some shit that people hate, you go back to it.

And it's always going to keep the bills paid. I mean, I think that, and I don't want to be fair here. I like Tom Holland, just fine. I think he's a good actor. He's a very charismatic guy. Seems like a great guy. But I think he stretched his legs in other roles. And even though I did like that one movie where it was like apocalyptic and you had to hear people.

Cherry. No, it wasn't cherry. Not cherry. Cherry, apocalyptic. Sorry, that's not funny. We ended up going to the movies for something and make it could just decide to stay and see this one. This wasn't uncharted. Tom Holland movie.

Not uncharted. It was in the future and you had to hear people's thoughts or something. I don't know. I can't remember. But like, auto let us in. And we just. Chaos walking? Was it chaos walking?

Maybe? Like 2022? Something like that? Like, I can't remember. I really don't remember very much about the movie. But he is, he stretches his legs on other roles. And it doesn't tell him that people are very receptive to non-Tom Holland's Spider-Man. This is separate from his actor.

Do you think part of it is the same thing that made him a great Peter Parker, which is his like perpetual, like, baby face? Could be. Is the same thing that makes it harder for him to dive into other roles where I'm like, Tom Holland is what? At this point, like 30? Close to 30. Like, close? Like, right at 30, 29, 29. Yeah.

He still looks like he's 15. Right. But what's what happened with the Odyssey. See, I mean, they got the palest bunch of Greeks ever. They need to tan these people up if we're going to believe that they're Greeks. They got a lot of... But back to the Spider-Man situation, I almost said of it all, but out of here. Back to the Spider-Man situation, I am interested in not just how they are going to integrate whatever Spider-Man story they're doing right now into the Multiverse saga to kind of reconcile Avengers Doomsday and all of that.

I'm legitimately for the first time in a long time, super interested in where Peter Parker actually is in his life. Not what's happening around him that he can negotiate. What's happening to and for him? Not him being thrown into all of these different situations so that he can figure out how to be the best little bro. Like what's happening to him is interesting now. I hate to be the one to tell you, brother.

What? We're getting another multiverse story. That's fine. But like, but his own situation, get your hand off me, motherfucker, I'm just joking. His own situation, his friends are gone, he's alone, he doesn't have Star Tech, none of that. It's Peter with a more singular purview on the world,

and I think that that's actually really interesting. I, if they're going to do another trilogy, and especially with this movie, a thing that, to your point, hey, I'm excited because I'm realizing what it takes me to be, less negative is I just got to care about these characters and feel like these characters are important. And even if I'm not viving with this Daredevil season, there's a level of like, that's Daredevil and Punisher. Those are my guys. And Spider-Man has a similar thing where I'm just like, well, fuck I'm going to see a Spider-Man movie. I will always see a Spider-Man movie. But I do

think for this movie to be successful, I want them to prove that they can make a Tom Holland Spider-Man movie that doesn't need all the bells and whistles of, we got to throw three Spider-Man in here. We got to throw Iron Man in here. We gotta throw this motherfucking. Like, give me a really good back to basics. You want to be street level? I think a street level

Spider-Man movie would be dope. You don't think it would work after all of the shit. Absolutely. When's the last time we got a street-level Spider-Man movie? Spider-Man 3. No, the amazing one with the lizard, maybe?

That was street-level. The Jamie Fox one wasn't because it was electricity bullshit and whatever. Now, well, they were trying to set up all the spin off to that one, too. They're trying to get that Citizen Six movie off like crazy. Wait, so who would be our villain?

Who would be our villain? If we could, like, engineer a brand new day villain, who do you think would be a little? Probably Mr. Negative. Mr. Negative? Kingpin? I think Mr. Negative is probably right.

I don't think Mr. Negative's cool enough. Even in the game, but that game was popular, and so people would know the character. So it'll be, it's not a stretch to introduce Mr. Negative for the first time in live action. Honestly, if they want to swing for the fences

and give us venom. I want a venom incarnate. Like, I actually want, like, Peter, like, I would think you would have to tell Ed Hardy to be like, hey, yo, we doing. Ed Hardy? Ed Hardy? Tom Hardy.

We love Ed Hardy over here. Yeah, great hats. I remember the era. Big fan. No, we need Tom Hart. Actually, I would recast Venom. I'd be like, yo, let's recast Venom. No.

I think, I feel like Tom Hardy would want to do that. Yeah, Tom Hardy's going to play Venom. He would definitely do that. He would definitely do that. I think he's getting a little too old to be, like. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. Eddie Brock, all that ass niggily.

I mean, Mary Jane is fucking Venom in the comics now, so. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They wild it over there. That's also my big that beat with Spider-Man comics. They let any motherfucker be the Green Goblin or the Hobgoblin, and they make anybody

could be Venom. What they say in that record? What a rich nigga want you? These, they don't want you. I just think if we're going to do Venom and Carnage, that comes after Secret Wars, right? Because that's when he gets the black suit in the comics, the original

Secret Wars from whenever that came up. That's where he got the black suit, the first place, 85, right? And so if you're going to do that, probably after Secret Wars, and then maybe it's the second movie in his second trilogy. So this movie, who wants Mr. Negative?

Yeah, just, you know, just give me something a little lie. I don't need to go, I don't think Mr. Negative for like a first villain, again, for his first movie, outside of the Stark Bubble. Mr. Negative, solid villain. Hand on that.

We fight Venom and Carnage in the second one or Venom in the second one. Vennem in the second one, Carnage is the third one. You know what I'm saying? Spread out the Sybio. Now, we need Miles Morales somewhere in there. I'm going to give that to Marvel? Are they going to let Marvel get their hands on Miles Morales? On the live action side, I think they have to.

Yeah. They've more or less punted on the Spider-Man spinoff shit. I mean, they look, whatever. I don't know what they're going to do, but it would make sense at some point for Miles and Rouse to show up and then maybe come back in Battleworld. I mean, he's, he's, you know, I don't know. Would you rather Sadie Singh from Stranger Things be Gene Gray or be M.J? She, M.J.

Don't play in Zendaya. I'm going to be fucking pissed. Don't play in her face, bro. Like, we have M. I don't think Zendaya will not go for that. Like, we have NJ. I don't think she has very much say, my friend. I don't know.

Like, we have MJ. You think it's those most around. They, they, they. Also, here's the thing. They're not kicking Zendaya out. We have, no way. We haven't, yeah. We like, that's MJ.

Sorry, sorry, uh, Maga. They got MJ. All right, so here's my issue, though. It's woke. If Sadie, if Sadie Sinkis has out. No race. I was about to say that. I was like, is that race?

No race. Is that race or politics? I feel like you can, you can, you can argue that was politics. Yeah, that one, that one's politics. The audience, keep me honest. No race. If Sadie Sink is Gene Gray, though, I feel like it complicates Wolverine because Sadie Sink has the same problem as Tom Holland, where she just looks like a child. And I'm just like, if you got fucking Wolverine's horny ass, but not like us just like sniffing around me.

I'll be like, shut up. What? You don't have to do that, though, because when we, X-Men Evolution, Wolverine was a grown-up and Gene Gray was a teenager. And don't tell me Wolverine is Storm. I hate when Wolverine Storm gets out. They weren't. I don't think they weren't that show. Really, for the most part. Wolverine was chilling that show.

I mean, it was a kid show. It wasn't a day too much. I thought like we don't need Wolverine be solving a Cyclops game all the time, bro. Like, I don't, it was great. Actually, that's not true because it was tight and X-Men. That was fine. But we don't have to see it is my thing. We don't need Wolverine and Gene Gray.

I feel like you need to do the Wolverine-Gene-Grey Cyclops level. Try. Come on. Come on. I mean, it's not like it's not like it's not like it won't work. see Jeremy Allen White fucking cozy enough to East. No, absolutely not.

He's not about to do that shit. No. You want to check clear, brother. Dreamcast. Anyway, Dreamcasting. All right, we're done.

We got one more. Oh, what's the next one? Well, no, no race. No race. What's the next one? It was John Boyega. John Boyega didn't say anything wrong.

That's all I said. John Boeagan didn't say. I'm going to talk about this from a class perspective. Okay, great. Should we say with John Boeaga? Yeah. Say what John Boyega? What's what John Boyega said.

Jomey, you got the link? You've got them on the show to us. Yeah. What John Boyega essentially said was that Star Wars fans don't want non-white characters to be in Star Wars because he feels like, they feel like it's encroaching upon their world. The headline says, John Boyega says Star Wars is so white that a black person existing in it is a big deal.

Toxic fans are okay with us playing the friend, but we can't touch their heroes. This is from variety. Let me tell you, Star Wars always had the vibe of being in the most whitest elite space. It's a franchise that's so white that a black person existing in it was something. You can always tell it's something when a Star Wars fan tries to say, well, we had Lano Corrician and we had Timelo Jackson. It's like telling me how many cookie chips are on the cookie dough.

It's like they're just scattered in there, bro. He's not wrong. If we're looking at this era of Star Wars, Can you name me one black person who has entered this world since Samuel L. and Landau Calarizian that has been better for it? Because most of the time, they, quite literally, it happens, they get cast, everybody freaks out. The show comes out. People blame the show on this black person for failing.

And then basically we get an Instagram live where they're like, yeah, this was the worst experience of my life. This sucked. Disney didn't back. me up. And I'm kind of like, what he's kind of been? I don't like, I don't know what to tell people. I mean, it's not only, it's, and he's absolutely right. How it happened to Rose Tico, too?

Yeah, the character. Not just black your character. Yeah, Kelly Marie Tran, who played Rose Tico in Last Jedi and Rise Skywalker. It happens to anybody who isn't white. I think the only one who it didn't happen to as severely was Rosario Dawson, but I, but I think that's because that was something that the fans had been leading for so many years.

that they felt like it was their choice versus when any person of color, black person, woman gets cast in a lead role in Star Wars or even too close to being at the top of the call sheet. To Boyega's point, I do think that it reveals the nasty undercurrent of Star Wars, which is like, we can believe a galaxy far, far away

when everybody is white and all the Jedi's are white and everybody good is white, but the minute someone else that doesn't look like us is fighting for, you know, hope and peace and freedom. It's like, get them the fuck out of you. Well, said, Chuck. Well, said.

You can't say anything because it's- All right. Come on, bro. Well, no, no, no. The only thing I will say is, seriously, is that Star Wars is supposed to be, it's supposed to be a story, like Charles just said, of hope and peace and all of that.

But it's also supposed to be the story of striving for individualism and freedom and equality. in a galaxy where oppression is supposed to be always at your doorstep. And that, that fight, that egalitarian fight for equality, should be raceless. It should be a mass coalition of people that have that same interest. If not, you'd have to explain why there are no black people. I mean, can I ask you, do you think it is just part of this, this thing that I think is

always at the center of Star Wars that it's trying to do two things at once, which is this, it was created as a movie specifically for like children and teenagers and it's supposed to be whimsical and it's supposed to transport you. But then

like most good children's stories or young adult stories, there's politics in it. There's, it's trying to teach you a way to live in the world and like the more and more Star Wars gets commodified, the more of those politics are just not there at all.

Like just even if you try, they're just going to get stamped out. So it's deeper than Star Wars. And let me tell you what I mean. In my opinion, at least. And I have to talk about race here.

I'm sorry. It's deeper than Star Wars. So you guys have seen these videos where like someone gets on a plane and then they tape their pilot in their pilots black

and they go, oh my God. Like you've seen these videos? Does anyone ever take time to think about what a profound statement is being made right there? I understand how it makes our skin crawl and how it curls our blood. But the statement or the thought or the assertion that the only way society works is if it adheres to a white male orthodoxy is it's a profound. It's deep. It's a really, really deeply rooted belief that seeks to decenter everyone else that is other. That means that when you think of a hero, you don't just think of Superman's cape.

It's not just Superman's insignia. It's not just his boots. You think about his hair and you think about his eyes. And that means that when you see a hero that has a lineup or a Caesar, or you see a a hero that has brown eyes or dark skin, they are intrinsically less hero, no matter what they do. They're less hero. And that is almost you can't, there's nothing you can say about it because it's a feeling, right? It's legitimately a feeling.

It's something that can't be litigated. It's you're looking at Star Wars and you see Finn holding a. a lightsaber and you go, huh, that doesn't look right. A hero doesn't look like that. A hero looks like Luke Skywalker or a hero looks like Anakin Skywalker. A hero doesn't even look like Jen Erso or Ray. Because if you get too many of those, well, they're maybe a little too curvy or bouncing in places that they shouldn't bounce.

That's not what a hero looks like. A hero looks like this. That thought is the single. scariest thought for me as a non-white male, a non-white person living in this society. Because that means that no matter what I do, you can't write me into the story. Fuck me putting myself into the story.

Fuck me having the opportunity to actually participate in the story. I can't be written into the story. Someone else can't say, I'm purposefully writing you into the story. It's just not my story. And that story ends up not just being Star Wars or not just being Star Trek or not just being Marvel. That story ends up being our story, the story of society. That's chilling. That's chilling because that speaks to an otherness that you cannot comprehend.

And when people in online or whatever, when they're doing this, when they're saying hashtag not our Star Wars, what they're really saying is hashtag not our people. Yeah. And like, what do you say to that? You know what I'm saying? Like, what are you? This I was born. Like, what do you say to that? Like, I'm just, what do you do?

Like, I thought we all liked the lightsabers and the flipping and the bullshit and all that. Like, what do you say to that? I think the thing that's, like, truly evil when you think about it is like, I don't know about y'all. When I'm a black kid, you're taught before you almost have consciousness where it's like, I have to put myself in. in the shoes of Luke Skywalker. I'm like, oh, I could be Luke Skywalker too. How many white kids growing up is like, oh, yeah, I'm that black, like, no, because you're not conditioned to do that.

I'm conditioned when I see Superman or Batman to be like, oh, I could be that. And it's like, because what's the alternative? Like, growing up, there was no black Batman. There was no, like, same. I remember when I was like, there's a fucking Black Jedi. I don't have to, like, do the mental gymnastics to be like, well, I don't got the blonde hair and I've got, put, like, I still want to. lightsaber. This is the reason why as stupid and commodified and corporate as all of that

stuff, the Michael Jordan's matter, the Serena Williams matter, because sports was really the only place. And maybe like Michael Jackson, you know, people like that, sports was really the only place where it was cool to want to be like Mike. It was like you want to be like Mike. But then for me, I like, yeah, I love basketball. I love watching the NBA. I love watching all of that stuff. But man, I like to fly. I like to soar. I like to be in another galaxy. I like to like, I like to be in fantasy.

I like to watch Willow. And they don't want me there. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? They don't want me there. It's not, is like. And it's crazy too because it'll be like, it's along the same lines of we don't want black people on Star Wars. We don't want politics on Star Wars.

And it's like, brother, man. It's called Star Wars, right? Like, the whole thing is based on, you know, trade federation, discussions. There's, like, an oppressive government, the whole thing. I mean, George Lucas came out and said, I think it's an interview where he's like, yeah, they're basically like the Viacom going up against. Yeah. You know, it's like very much, like, this stuff is rooted in reality.

And the fact that you can't understand that speaks to just how you're not really all that. There's only one thing that will save Star Wars' problem with this, man. I've been saying this. nigger planet. One planet, Star Wars. All niggas. They all got purple lightsevers. Nigra planet.

One star. And then, fuck it. Just do it. Everything else. Nigger planet. Whoa. They're Nogrosian. Nogosia.

Planet Nogrosia. Planet Nogosia in the outer rim. You come there, we break dances in that bitch. That's how we use the force. I mean, we're going to have to, like, I'm saying, we're going to have to. Can I hit you on something that would actually unite us all? Like our president, our emperor is Denzel Washington. Like, they're going to have to.

do something like that. Because they only fuck with us when we did. You can't laugh at for that. Can you feel. Like, you know what I'm saying? For fucking Obama? Like, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, is, we got a council. A negro, the negotiator council.

Oprah. Oprah. Obama. Obama. Talapian. Where's LeBron? Where do we go where we could be for the wrong? LeBron can't be.

No. Oh, LeBron is definitely on the council. What? Are the negotiator? A girl. Lebron is on there. All right, we might as well put Stephen A on that bitch. LeBron, Stephen A.

No, that's it. You know what I'm saying? He's the evil senator trying to buy for power. There's a young fucking, like, I guess, like a, is a Kendrick Lamar contingent on the grocery? There's a Drake contingent. And then there's a young, there's a village of Wyans. There's a village of Wyans.

There's a village of Wyans in the grocery. Like, when you go there, it's like, you better have your lightsaber because you're going through the village of Yen. I want to pitch you on this, though, in honor of both. could you do a Star Wars live action where all the Jedi set their dogs?

I would love that. Oh, that'd be fantastic. Like, they use the force? They use the force to wield their lightsabers? It's a little sleepy. Mm-hmm. Nicky. Bowes don't give a fuck.

Boes is sleeping. Bo's sleeping. Oh, now you're not going to hear you now. Oh, now Mose wants to come over. Yeah, but think about, you go over there, Uncle Charles. Hey, Bob, look. Think about Bowls with a lightsaber. I don't think Bose has the heart to hurt anybody, if I'm being honest.

He has it like the Burmese Mountain Dog where they got like the whiskey of the flask. Yeah, he could be helping out like that. But I would love that. Like Jedi dogs. What about Jedi Muppets? Hey, that'd be great. Hey, I know, I know what, I know what breed everybody would be. So, yeah, Mace Windu is a Doberman pitcher.

Okay. Anakin is a pit bull because he's nice. Antigin's a pit bull? I don't think it's not a pit bull. Annikin's a pit bull. He's not a pit bull. No, no, no, no, no. I think he's German Shoe.

Let me tell you why Anikin's a pit bulls. Because pit bulls are nice. But when they go bad, they fucking go back. No, we're not doing this. They kill the young ones. No pit bull slander. When they go bad, they go really super bad. No pit bullslander.

Yoda's a little Frenchie. Okay. French. Okay. A little French bulldog? Like a little, he's a little tiny Frenchie. Like a little bitty. Okay.

Who's the Chihuahua Star Wars? Or maybe Yoda's the Chihuahua Star Wars No, because Yoda would have to be a French bulldog because he's got the fucked up wrinkly face What is Ray? Ray? Yeah. Is Ray the golden retriever of Star Wars?

Ray is the golden retriever. Wait, what would Han be then? Oh, Han's got to be like a cool dog. Like a German Shepherd? No, German Shepherds are racist. Yeah, yeah. It's like we... That's not racist.

Let's see, what would Han be? Han would have to be like a... Them like a cool pup. Well, a pup would say, sunglasses. Like a lap? Maybe a lab. Maybe a lap.

Maybe a little. Oh, a beagle. A beagle. A beagle. Not a beagle. Not a beagle. Because Leia's more like a beagle. Lay is not a beagle.

Well, Luke got to be a beagle then. No, Lay is like a Dalmatian. A layer's a Dalmatian. There's a Dalmatian. Luke and Layton are the same type of dogs. They're twins. So they're two Dalmatians. What kind of dog would solo be like a, what's the coolest dog?

Y'all help? The coolest dog? What's the coolest dog? What about a Shiba? What's that? Shiba Inu? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Like, Han would be like a cool dog. And now Chubaka would have to be a human. Now, Chubacca's human. Yeah. Chubacca's the human.

Who would be, who would Emperor, last one? Who would Emperor Papatine be? Oh. What's the wrinkliest? Oh, God. No, no, no. I'm thinking of like a wriggly greyhound. The evils dog that exists.

Maybe Hall would be a greyhound too, though. Greyhound pretty cool. A Pomeranian. Oh shit. Yeah, man. Palpatine Pomeranian is crazy. They are, they're Palpatine Pomeranian. Don't let Rachel hear this, but yeah.

Palpatine Pomeranian is easy. Yeah, man. That's easy. Yeah, for sure. Bowles would be like, I don't know, maybe he like mom motham or something. Mom, my. Respect my guy. He's not running any meetings.

Who are you in Star Wars? He's not running any meetings. Who's the nicest, like, wouldn't hurt a fly? Wants to be loved. He's a loved. If somebody ever breaking the house, Bowles been going to help them carry the shit out to their stuff. Yeah.

We got to go. We got to go. Hey, friend. Hey. Jumping on. He would bark. Are you ever, like, oh,

he would bark. But he's like, hey, we're playing now. Yesterday, I ordered some stuff. Unfortunately, it was from Target.

Oh, right. Oh, a problem. Wait, wait, wait, so you're not talking about race this month? I completely forgot. You forgot.

And you supporting Target. I totally forgot. Can I be honest? I'm going to tell you after this. I totally forgot. I totally forgot. And the Target lady was like the lady from Instacart, she was coming down. She was like, you have a big dog in there.

I was like, yeah. And she was like, can I approach? I'm like, woman, this motherfucker right here will approach you. Will approach you and love you harder than you've ever been loved before. Yeah. You've never been loved like this before. It's okay. But she seems really big in my neighborhood.

I'm like, I could tell in your neighborhood, the dogs are probably different. Oh, right. Let's go home. Wait, wait, wait. We saw right. On the Target front, one time, I was taking my little brother to school,

and we had to make a quick stop because he needed a charger for school, right? He needed a for his laptop. So we're like, where's the nearest place open on his Target? They closed and, like, dirty. It was going real quick. As we were rolling up,

we were walking into the door, this lady drives by. She's cussing us out. Why are I going to Target? Y'all know this DAI stuff? I don't know. I was like, Look, we got it.

I don't know where else to me, man. This is all I got. You know what Jomi said? Jomi said, I'm an African. I'm not with y'all. I am not with y'all. I was like, you're right. But they got an option, lady.

Jomi said, Jomey said, Akata. Akata. Akata. That is your problem, Akata. Look up what Akata means. Jomey knows. That's a wrap. This week on the Ring of Verse feed.

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Okay. Wait, you can't do your own, though. So who would Vambi? What would I be as a dog? St. Bernard, I think. Probably. St. Bernard, easily. What's, uh, is that the Beethoven one?

Yeah. Yeah, okay. St. Bernard. Steve. Steve. I feel like the obvious answer is a golden retriever, but. I was going to say a yellow lab, because you, you're like, to be a golden retriever, you would have to, like, you should, like, you should, you should.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can you grow like, grow like long hair? Yeah, like, lush his hair. Like, what's the white dude from an interview with the vampire? Yeah. Is that hair?

I'm a little bit to be like yeah, bro you're a lab until you grow to shit out You're a lab till you grow it up Um What's an African? What's an African dog? Not gonna be African

Joey's a high He's Here we go There we go Cut it off Cut it off Cut it off That was crazy

That's insane No No Jesus Christ I googled African dogs and this is what I got. What is it? African, all right,

that's racist. It's got to be racist, bro. Let me see. That's got to be racist. No. Let me see it. Let me see it. Okay.

I googled African dogs and it says African wild dogs. That's got to be racist. It's what Google. Jesus Christ. Charles. What is Charles? What is Charles? What is Charles?

Because see, what's a lovable dog that snapped? English bulldog? English bulldog, maybe. I don't know. I want like a, like a hidey, tidy dog. Like a little, like one of them like, not like a poodle.

No. But you do be getting, you know, but like something that's like real fancy. Only likes the best stuff in life. That's true. Oh, yeah, see? Oh, you know what? He's a standard poodle. What?

Yeah. Charles is a standard poodle. He's a standard poodle. I really became that bougie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Charles is a standard poodle. He thinks he's a bad bitch and believes it. He picks up his. I don't think I'm a bad bitch. I know I'm a bad. There you go. See, that's the food mentality. A standard.

Yep. Yep. Kerm is a pug for sure. Yeah. Grim. Alea is like... What's a leader dog? What's Lassie?

Oh, yeah. Lassie. Lassie. A collie. What, Arjuna? I'm not going to say that. Like, that would... This is why we can't have fun.

This is why we can't have... See, I'm... I get the African dog, but Arjuna's half-flammis? Arjuna's like a studious dog. Like, what's the smartest? Oh, what's the wishbone dog? Y'all remember Wishbone? Oh, yeah.

I know Wishbone. This is before your time. Now that shit was on PBS. Man, we had PBS. Like a terrier? Jack Russell Terrier. Jack Russell. Jack Russell.

And then the last one we need to do, our girls, House of Ar. House of Ar. Mal is a cat. Mal is a cat. They're both cats. Yeah, yeah, they're both cats. Both? Yeah, both cats.

Wait, Mal would definitely, is Mal the flow cat? Mal's the flow cat. Miles is the flow cat. And then Joe is like that, what's that regal cat that everybody has? It's kind of skinny, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah, it's like kind of like the skinny tall cat. It's a very regal.

You know, you know, that's all I'm talking about? Not really. Look up these fucking cats. Y'all don't know shit about animals. I don't. By the way, announcement to hire learning fans if there are, any left, still any left. We're bringing back animal games.

Animal games will come back. You got to play the hits now. We got to bring back some shit. We got to play the hits. Down bad. So animal games on is coming back to higher learning. That's the penance for all that.

You say Joe like a Persian? A Persian, yes. A Persian? Yeah, hell yeah. Feels like a Persian. Okay, that makes... All right, we out of you.