The Ringer-Verse - ‘Superman’ Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Look up in the sky! The Midnight Boys are here to give their reactions to the long-awaited James Gunn–directed ‘Superman.’ They break down what they loved about the film from Lex Luthor, Krypto, and more. They also speak on how they think this entry can mark the beginning of a new DC Cinematic Universe informed by Gunn’s vision. Will the superhero genre be saved by the Man of Steel? The Midnight Boys are here to find out. Also, The Ringer-Verse is going to Comic-Con! We'll be hosting our very own panel at 6 p.m. PT on Thursday, July 24, at Grand 10 & 11, Marriott Marquis San Diego Marina for all badge holders. (0:00) Intro (4:44) Comic-Con Announcement! (9:04) Spoilers ahead (11:49) Instant reactions to ‘Superman’ (1:52:18) Midnight Meter (2:03:33) Outro (2:04:12) Post credits Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jade Whaley Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are. Joe made the explainer at dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are Old Man Van. He of the receding resurgent hairline Coke, baby Chuck. 24-carat closer. It was on display again as we washed the shit.

out of Jomi and Steve. I will say, Jomey, how are you, you know, a week later? How are you recuperating? How are you feeling? They've been, it's, it's been tough for you on the interwebs. So here's the thing, man, and part of my job is... We all are the midnight, but I just channeled my inner Sean Finacy. Yeah, yeah.

Jomey, what were you saying? Literally, it doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. But, Jones, it was rough. How are you and Sean? How's you guys this relationship? I mean, me and Sean are good.

You know what I'm saying? Again, as long as people are enjoying the content, as long as people are laughing, then I don't mind being the butt of the joke. Ultimately, though, in the moment, it can't be tough. Yeah. It can't be tough. I will say the African-Irish beef

that is now happening at the ringer is not what you want to see. No, but that's why we're going to get Iyo Debris out here to, you know, men fences. He's African and Irish? Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. She's part Irish?

How's that? What was that mean? I thought that was a meme. It's absolutely a joke. I don't know what's happening. I'm a little Irish, so I don't know. Maybe she got a little Irish in her. What is the joke? At some point, somebody was like, I was Irish.

No, it stems from a joke that she had on the red carpet in an interview when the Banshees of In a Sharon came out that she said that she was such a good actor that she actually was the donkey in Banshees of Inish Sharon. And then she, like, did an interview with like an Irish accent. And Ireland itself took that. meme on. We love A.O. and Debris. She's Irish. She's wonderful. Interesting.

You can't. All right, then, we're talking about stuff we do on the podcast. You're doing, you literally smithing down and then go, interesting. Anyway. No, I listen to the whole story. I listen to the whole story.

I listen to the whole story. I didn't care about it, but I listened. Yeah. Interesting. It ended up being not very, much to care about. I thought that there was something more. It's not Steve's fault. Steve didn't make it up. But he just ended up being a side of something that's happening online

that I have no clue about. You're too busy try to fight Caitlin Clark fans. Yeah. What was that this morning, bro? I was like, oh, Van is going to be fucking so excited for Superman, whatever. I was fighting with Caitlin Clark fans. Why is he fighting with fucking Caitlin Clark Steve? I hate her.

I love her. Katelyn Clark is a fantastic athlete, fantastic basketball player. Really, really fun to watch. But this is some of the best sports hate that I've had in a long time. I haven't really been able to dislike an athlete because they're so good since, like, Tim Duncan. It's really been that long. And she's fantastic.

Don't get me wrong. She's fantastic. She's box office. She's the whole thing. She's never won anything, even going all the way back to high school. But that's on the side. I say that this is positive and healthy. Nobody's going to talk me out of it.

I hate Caitlin Martin. Alley is with me. Alleya doesn't like her either. Alia told me. Fals on socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok save. Jomi's job. Jomi?

Guys, the social's going crazy. We're going to have a big summer. Superman. Fantastic for something we can't even talk about yet because it's so exciting. Can't wait. Guys, make sure you follow. Make sure you subscribe.

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At the Grand 10 and 11, Mayor Marquis, San Diego Marina. Now, you guys never been down to Comic Con. It's crawling with people. It is a great cultural experience of nerddom. Everything's an activation. Everything is a conversation. And we will be a part of that conversation this year. That's not all.

If you're in San Diego, but don't have tickets to the convention. Like, you couldn't get to the convention. It's down there for the vibes. You can still hang out with your ring of verse pals. Later that night, we'll be doing a meet and greet at Whiskey Girl in the Gas Lamp Quarter at 8.30 p.m. We're going to be up past old man vans bedtime. I normally go to sleep like 9, 9.30.

But we'll start at 8.30. So I'm going to take a nap and then be out there, communing with my people. Is everybody excited? I don't know if you have enough time for a nap. The panel starts at 6, right, Thursday night. We're going to be locked in the Uber. Maybe.

Or maybe I'll nap before the panel that's six. Yeah. That's a nap. Maybe you get an afternoon nap. No, I can't wait. This is going to be great. Can't wait. You guys, come check us out.

Give us love, and we'll do what we always do, which is give it right back. Programming Remindash! Yesterday, the House of R gave you there, Hot Nolan's summer. Inception Deep Dive. I enjoy that. I enjoy the movie Inception.

Has anybody seen the Odyssey teaser? I did. I saw it online. I didn't want to see it online. I felt like I was kicking Nolan in the balls a little bit. He wants it to be seen as he wants it, you know? He'll be fine. You're going to go back,

World to go see it. Honestly, I fuck with Jurassic World. I see a lot of hate out there. I might. I might. You're going to get it to a bill of yourself. They put it in front of Jurassic World. I thought it was coming out in front of Superman.

It's in front of Superman and Jurassic World, anything that's in IMAX right now. They didn't show, they didn't show us the teaser last night. There were no trailers. That's true. She just came right on. Boom. And so, like, I was looking forward to seeing the Icy trailer. I didn't see it.

The one that I saw online, which I did watch it. It was interesting. Like, it's like not, it was, okay. Like, it's... I mean, it's gotta show you anything. I know, but it's like, it's an... Just from the tone alone, it seems like a pretty interesting take on The Odyssey. Normally those movies have a little bit...

What would you say to take is? Uh, a little straight... I mean, they haven't showed us anything, but a little straightforward. Nolan-esque take on it, if you will. Normally, movies like that have... They're a little bit more haughty. I can't... I don't know how to say what I'm saying.

This one seemed like a very... serious on the nose, no frills, no pomp and circumstance take on that type of epic, that type of classic. Not just in, I mean, in terms of we're talking about lore,

that's a fundamental story in humanity, and mythology and things like that. And to go at it as straightforward as Nolan seems to be, that's going to be interesting to me. Do you think there's going to be any

any like temporal shenanigans. Like, you know how, like, Dunkirk is a World War II movie, but it's also just like, look at all the things we're doing with, like, time and cutting. Do you think he's going to do that shit with the Odyssey?

Tom Hall holds over here, but actually this thing happened. John Berthal is actually him from the future. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be that involved. I do think, though, like, he's probably saving, like,

the good stuff for later. Probably. But he's never done a straightforward. Like, even Oppenheimer had a little bit of, like, editing shenanigans. into the physics of like the fucking ball. It's black and white when it's here.

It's color when it's there. I think that's the thing that I'm interested in in the movie. Because that is a little different for him to take on something like that. Yeah. And with the cast and with all the talent, it should be great. And Monday, Button Mash will discuss College Football 26 and Tony Hawk. I will be on that podcast. Shout to Ben Bicka Lindbergh, who came through with the fucking college football

26 and Tony Hawk Coates. All right, but today the Midnight Boys will be giving you their instant reactions to James Guns, Superman. All right. D.C. EU, Superman,

even slight DCU character canon, all types of spoilers. Anything that has to do with the history of this character, the history of this character in film, on television and comic books could be spoiled if you're ain't scented and you ain't watched it run the spoiler warning.

We're getting ready to talk about Spooker Man. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. This is going to be one. It's going to be interesting one. It's a lot in this movie.

There's a lot. And there's only one guy who can streamline it for you as Chuck Wagon with the trademarked Midnight Matter. Chuck, take it away. T.M. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Superman, written and directed by James Gunn,

starring David Cornswet, Rachel Brosnahan, Nicholas Holt, Eddie Gathigi, Anthony Carrigan, Nathan Philean, and Isabel Mersed. Meta humans have existed

on this earth for thousands of years. But Superman, the world's strongest meta, has only been active for three. Clark is struggling to balance his personal and hero life. Superman is dog sitting, the cute,

but untrained super dog, crypto for his niece, while beefing with his fellow metas, the Justice Gang, starring Guy Garner Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific, and Hawkgirl. And also his relationship with Lois is on the verge of imploding. After stopping a war between two countries, Lois pushes Clark on the ethics of Superman handling world conflicts with no oversight beside himself, which triggers the sensitive

farm boy. Little do Clark and Lois know that Lex Luthor is using a conflict to establish his own country called Lutoria. To do this, Lex has created his own Superman task force, Ultraman, the engineer, and the Raptors. After breaking into the Fortress of Solitude, dognapping crypto, and translating Joriel's message to Calhout, which actually calls for him to take over Earth.

Lex has everything he needs to push Superman over the edge. The U.S. government gives Lex the authority to arrest and interrogate Superman. This hall happens in a pocket universe. Metamorpho is there, also his green baby. The heroes work together to escape with the help of Mr. Terrific and Lois. As a Daily Planet team get their journalism on to clear Superman's name, Clark inspires the Justice Gang to stop the war, to stop the war, while he beats the engineer, Ultraman, who is aka his evil clone, Luther, and helps save him.

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okay, how do you make someone like Superman relatable who's good at everything and the fastest and the strongest? And I'm like, oh, Superman's bad with dogs. Like he's like, he's not a good, like, he has this cute, like, and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Seeing like this super powerful being, like, struggle with crypto and he loves crypto, but he's also annoyed, or even like,

Clark and Lois being on the verge of breaking up and like just seeing Superman not be that great at being Superman yet, but also struggling as a reporter and struggling in the relationship, there were all of these little moments where I'm like, oh, that's the humanity in him. Like, it's not just all of the shots of him saving the, saving the little girl or saving the squirrel. It is, I'm like, oh, like, this Superman can fail. This Superman can be nerdy. This Superman cannot be the best at everything. And even just when he explodes through the office and is like yelling at Lex about like, yo, where's crypto?

Like, where's my dog? He's just the dog. You're like, oh, I think we've had all of these supermen were, like, evil and have to hold back their emotions or whatever. And this was the first time I was like, oh, this is a good Superman who can destroy Lex so easily. And he's like, courts with just such a good job of, like, this is what happens when somebody like fucks with your dog. And, like, just that acting, I just thought James Gunn and Co.

did an amazing job, just humanizing that character. I want to talk about those two scenes specifically. It's interesting that you brought them up. I don't want to make this whole podcast talking about the differences in this Superman between past Superman's, but we have to at least, when I say that, I mean, I don't want to talk too much about Snyder Superman or Singer Superman or Donna Superman or Superman and Lois or Lewis and Clark or anything like that. But I do want to bring two specific scenes from past movies into the discussion of this particular character. And that's the scene with Superman and Lois and the scene with Lex and Superman in the office, okay? Because both of those scenes have been done before.

They were done in Superman the movie. And they were done in a completely different way to make a completely different point about the character. Totally different. So I guess it's 10 minutes, the conversation between Superman and Lois Lane. When Lois is interviewing Superman for the first time. Yeah. Right. All right.

When Lois is granted to interview My Night with Superman from the daughter movie, he comes in there, back straight, completely confident. She cannot get her thing together. She is seeing him. He is beautiful. He is confident. He takes her to fly. He completely takes her out of the world, out of her world. This scene, Lois brings Superman into hers, the complete inverse.

She legitimately says, hey, your heads in the clouds. Like, you think that you have every answer to every question. You think that what you have. do is okay as long as it's you doing it, but I'm telling you that's like not true. I'm telling you I have questions. And he's like, you wouldn't ask this if you didn't know me. And she's saying, it doesn't matter that I know you. I know you.

I would ask that question whether or not I knew the answer to it or not, because this is what being a person is. Being a person that lives on this planet comes with a set of responsibilities, a set of guardrails, a set of checks, balances, and laws. And you are not above those. Yeah. You're not. Like, you're here, and I'm asking you this because as a citizen of the world that you claim to protect, you have to answer to me. And it was a way to bring the character out of the sky and ground him, which is the invertsy.

which is the inverse of what that movie had to do, the first movie, the Donner Superman. The second one is when Superman comes into Lexus office. That scene also exists in the first one. And it's great in that one, too. It's fantastic in it. Superman comes through, blows the door down. It's open, come in.

Lex, it's open, come in, Lexus. It's so funny. Hackman is still the man, man. Hackman goes, oh, my lawyer will be in contact to you with you about the damage. the door. Yeah. He's very suddenly fucking with him.

But even in that entire time, Superman is standing there stone face in admonishment with Lex Luthor. There is a clear hierarchy in that scene. Lex Luthor is a scamp and a guy that has all types of, of, of intellect and all of that. But there's no give.

Like Superman comes in there with his shoulders, with his back straight. He kind of leaves, I actually don't remember how the scene ends. He kind of leaves with his back straight. Yeah. In this one, Lex robs Superman of his power. Yeah.

He dresses him down. Superman comes in there out of control. He is angry. He is emotional. He's mad. And he's the most powerful being in the planet. And he's standing there in front of Lex. And at the end, Superman whispers.

It's just a dog. He appeals to, Lex Luthor. He's overwhelmed in that scene. He loses the scene. And there are things like that in the movie that just they tell you that this is

a different telling of this story with a different character. And it's really the only way to me to make the character contemporary in such a cynical landscape. Well, I mean, it's I think we talked about this after the movie, too. It's a legitimate 180

from the Superman that we got inside version. The first thing we hear Superman say when he's talking to the robots is like gee golly. Golly. Like it's just like completely and utterly a reaction to that. In a way that I think is good, right?

Superman feels like someone you can talk to when he's when they've saved the city from the big kaiju thing and the kids are hugging him and he's high-fiving. He just seems like a person that you would want to talk to that. Like Molly was like, hey man,

I face Superman once on. Like, that's my guy. I'm going to go save him in the street. It's a thing that we see in comics and comic stories all the time. In Spider-Man 2, when the city protects Peter Parker in the train, right? Like, he has a connection to Metropolis that is undeniable in that moment. And the movie is constantly trying to tell you that. There's a scene at the end with him and Lex Luthor, where he's literally telling Lex

how human he is and how much he like being an alien that's not who I am I am human I'm just like you literally looking at us in the camera telling us guys I'm just like us I'm just like you which I think for this movie and what it has to do

to make Superman likeable again it is a lot but I understand why they felt like they had to do it because it has been so long since we've had a Superman that felt like a normal human being Something just popped in my mind. And it kind of actually, in real time, I want you guys to live this,

because it popped in my mind after what actually happens at the end of the scene in the original movie. Lex puts the Superman, the kryptonite necklace on Superman, and he weakens him. And so in that scene as well, Superman leaves kind of on his knees, kind of like cut down by Lex, which is important, right?

Because Lex has to be a formidable opponent. Superman didn't detect it. was encased and laid the whole deal. It actually just popped in my mind. It's been a while since I've watched the original Superman. But I will still say this, that even, and maybe we should replace this, but even in that scene,

it's the mechanism of weakening Superman is still different. Like, we get kryptonite here as a very distinct plot device for one particular scene. Other than that, Superman, is almost always weakened by choice in this movie. About what he feels like he's supposed to do, about his

emotional connection to people. The only time Kryptonite is really the big bad in any scene in this film is when he's in there with Metamorpho and it's between Metamorpho. Melamorpho has a decision.

Cryptonite is actually more of a device. for metamorpho, then it is actually for Superman. It's just to hold him somewhere. That's it. It's to hold him there, and then also it's to facilitate metamorphosis, metamorphose hero turn. Right.

Metamorphosis. There you go. Steve? No, and I completely agree with a lot of what Charles said as well. Like the humanizing of Superman is something that we almost kind of forgot how important it is until we're faced with it, with things like this. The scenes

you mentioned, particularly his interview with Lois, really are the things that make this movie shine in ways that is the biggest breath of fresh air that not only this character, but like kind of superhero stories in general have been lacking. The idea that you kind of forget that not he's, he actually is an alien and instead he's not just a guy from Kansas that happens to be the most powerful being on the planet. Because all of the things that are the things that that weigh him down and all of the things that he feels buoyed by to help people are the things that people

find ways to hate and question him. And that is a concept that when challenged in his superhero infancy is the most frustrating and like friction-filled

idea to put in his head. That like if I'm just doing good, how can that possibly be bad? And all the things that around this world complicate those actions. When you see, like, there's a moment that I thought was kind of, like, there's a moment that I rolled my eyes at, but then I realized how important that was when, like, there's a big kaiju attacking the city, and he saves a squirrel from getting stomped on.

Like, after he has just saved, like, a dog and a person and a little girl. And I'm like, why even the squirrel? And I'm like, is that too much? And I'm like, wait a minute, no, because he can only think about. the character can only think about saving things and making decisions one way. And the people around

him, this movie at its best, brings into questions the right ways that he can go about that while still entrusting all of his ideals onto humanity. It's kind of what the character lost. It is. In the first movie,

he saves a cat of a tree. And that, like, it seems stupid, right? It, It seems stupid. By the way, that scene is very funny. So Superman, that's a scene of child abuse. You guys remember Superman the movie? Yeah.

So the girl... I watch that at your house. Right. So the girl, the little girl is there, and the cat's in the tree. And Superman saves the cat out of the tree. He brings the tree, the cat down to the little girl. And a little girl goes back inside. You can't see this.

You can only hear it. The camera's pulling away and you just hear the audio. And the girl goes, mommy, mommy, Superman got the cat out of the tree from me. And the mother goes, what did I tell you about wine? Smack. You hit a smack. You hit a smack like Superman. Got the little girl's ass kick.

It's like just such a movie of a time. So, you know, we could talk about, but the one thing. that I might as well get to it now because we're going to get into instant reactions. I might as well get to it now rather than save it for some, like the speech he gave at the end was very, very heavy-handed.

It's a job. It's a lot. It's no accident. It's no accident that he spends the movie, like, not ignoring him, especially he does pick up the phone, but he's kind of like, yeah, I'm here. I'll call you later, bye. It's not an accident that it's not until he goes back, literally goes back to his roots.

and finds the beginnings of his humanity that he then goes on to defeat the big evil at the end of the movie. The entire movie is not subtle at all. No. About what is trying to tell you about this character. And that speech is more of a device so that Lex could get off a very comedic line.

Like, he doesn't care about it, which I knew was coming. But I thought about something when I was leaving. And since Superman had a big, heavy-handed soliloquy about the entire thing, I will too. I thought about why the movie, was why I liked it so much after I saw it,

like why I thought it was so fantastic, why I loved it so much. Obviously, everyone who listens to this podcast knows that I have a very intimate relationship with Superman. What do you mean by that? I mean is that, like, legitimately, Superman was the first hero that my father gave me, besides himself.

And he would tell me stories about how he watched Superman when he was a kid and how much he liked him. Then he would tell me stories, stories about the first time he took me to see a Superman movie, one that I couldn't remember. Now, I've said before that the first movie I remember seeing in theaters was Superman for Quest for Peace. That is true.

But the first movie that I actually saw in theaters was Superman 3. It was Superman 3. and I couldn't remember the movie. I was too young to remember it. My dad would tell me stories of having seen it. My dad would be like, son, you were scared of Superman. And Superman would come on the screen and he would fly. And then like you would jump over the seat.

I don't know if you know, but you would be afraid. And he would tell me that all the time, like every time I would like want a Superman lunchbox or he would tell me that Superman was trying to get me to come wake up in the morning. tell that story. And I realized that, you know, obviously I'm older than the rest of you guys, but there's something that happens or has happened with me as I've aged. And one of the things that has happened is I've had to let go of things. I've had to let go of a lot of things. And it sucks. Like, it sucks having to let go of things, having to say goodbye to stuff. It sucks having to say goodbye to Louisiana. It sucks having to say goodbye to people.

It sucks having to say goodbye to the old version of me. It sucks. And, you know, I become so, like, I love this character so much. I love Superman so much. Then Christopher Reeve dies, right? You say goodbye to your Superman. And I'm not saying that the tragedy of Christopher Reeves' death meant as much as it meant to his family or to other people who were just saying, I remember when that happened.

It was very, it was upset. Who dies, people, you lose, you do. It just happened. Right. Which, by the way, is what I'm getting at probably has also a lot to do with why I wanted the recasting of the character. Right. So Christopher Reeve dies, right? Then my father dies.

So my Superman dies. And then the guy who gave me Superman dies. I'm going to be all right. So, like, you get older and you get rid of it. all of these things and then they can't make a good Superman movie and it's not a big deal. Like, it's not a big deal. It's a movie. It's a

character. It's a stupid dude in tights. It doesn't really matter, right? It's not a big deal. But then there is a part of you that starts to wonder, well, shit, does Superman have to die too? Yeah. Like, they can't make the movie. They

don't understand the character anymore. They can't make the character anymore. Well, I've had to say goodbye to my Superman. I have to say to goodbye to my father. I've had to say goodbye to all of these friends. And now I've gotten so old and society has moved to a place. Well, the character is dead. Like the character of Superman is dead.

The character died. And that's not true. Superman is alive. Somebody was able to figure out Superman. There is a Superman that exists in a contemporary fashion. There's a Superman that makes sense for his world. There's a hero that will inspire more children and more comic book characters. There's a father somewhere that can give Superman to his sons and daughters and give the character a new life and all of that.

It's not gone. It's not. So I don't have to say goodbye to that thing that was such an important part of my childhood. Somebody was able to do something where. I am not going to outlive Superman. And it is stupid and it is comic books and it is me making it way too personal. But this is part of the mythology of my life, is looking up to the sky, is looking to the stars, it's Star Wars, it's all of this stuff. It's been a very important part of my life.

And I'm not ready to say goodbye to it yet. And every time one of these things comes out, and I don't quite quite. get it and I don't quite understand it and it's not making sense and it's becoming capitalism more than it's becoming inspiration or art or anything like that. I wonder

you know, am I over this shit? And I'm more than that it's sad. So like when I saw the movie and I sat there and I felt even a little bit of the same way I have felt before, man, I was relieved.

Now I'm not saying it's the best movie in the fucking world. I'm not saying that it's going to change everything, but I'm just saying fuck somebody knows how to make this dude fly again. And I was pleased. I mean, do you think it's also that thing where it's, I think

like, Gen X has kind of gotten two versions cinematically of Superman? I think there's like, for all the shit people give Zach Snyder, I think Man of Steel was a very, like, if you watch that movie, I'm like, oh, it was of a time. where I feel like as people, we weren't probably ready, like we weren't ready for this type of Superman. I think we wanted to see our heroes be more realistic

and destroy cities and all this shit. And it's interesting that James Gunn is now the director, who is like someone who starts in horror, starts trolling on the web, is just very, very just like a certain type of comedy. Like get all the way to this point where he really is, I think for good and, like, for good and bad in a lot of different ways, this movie to me felt like

seeing a director almost find his like real sincerity and I couldn't agree more you know and it's like I think sometimes I'm like oh that's corny but I'm like oh but is that the point you know what I mean? Like there's a

there's a push and pull where I'm like not everything works but when the sincerity works like when it hits I'm like okay it was worth maybe the other two or three corny jokes that maybe didn't yeah there's not a cynical bone in this movie's It can't be, yeah. And that is actually, like, I'll give it all the credit in the world for that because that's really kind of something that we all needed.

And I'm really grateful that you got that much of an experience out of a band, but I wanted to know, is there a moment in this movie where you actually, like, uncoiled and thought, oh, this is, they've got it? Like, is there something to you that, like, actually brought that out of you, and you're like, I'm sold. They've done it. Couple of times. By the way, I don't want this whole podcast. No, no, but that's such a profound reaction. I'm really, is there a time? Still can't get over his dad.

But what a good question. You know what it kind of really was? Man, I didn't think corn sweat would have it. He really does. I didn't believe it, man. Going into it, there was a lot in the trailers here, But then the trailers didn't really give us the story that we were getting at all, right? And just watching Corrin Sweat, it really was the scene between Lois and, like, he's out of the suit.

Yeah. But I'm watching him kind of be Clark. There's a very passionate, passionate, which you don't really get to see Lois and Clark like that. No. Like, these two people are going to fuck, right? Yeah. There's a very... They're making it out in that kid.

They're going crazy. passionate kiss between them. And then he's just a strong dude that don't know what the fuck he's trying to do, that's trying to do the best he can and still has something to learn. And I think that was when I was like, oh, like, I'm buying him at Superman. He kind of works.

So the thing that I think I'm still struggling with the movie where I was just like, I ended up being way more fascinated by the Superman element. of this movie rather than... Like, I thought the DCU elements were really good, but I was like, Rachel Brosanan was so good at Lois. She's wonderful. Where there was moments where I'm just like,

wait, what the fuck? Where's those? Like, I was, like, the world, the characters, my unpa, crypto. There were moments where I'm like, oh, I want more scenes of Superman trying to train crypto. I want more scenes of Clark and Lois, of Superman and Lois. And I get, like, and that was the one... Where I was struggling where I was like,

oh, I like Metamorpho. And I thought, EDS, Mr. Terrific, is like, stole the fucking show. I loved all that shit. There was just moments where I was just like, oh, is that stuff actually taking away from, like, I think there's actually a perfect Superman movie in this. And that's, I think, the biggest, like, friction point I'll have with this movie because I really, really enjoyed this.

And I'm going to see it again, and I'm probably going to have an even better time the second time. But I feel like there's moments of brilliance in here, and there's a lot of, of, I think, over-enthusiasm on the part of James Gunn to open this world up and, like, show us all of these amazing and insightful things when you

have something amazing in a bit more of a smaller story with Superman, Clark, Lois, Jimmy, everything at the Daily Planet. And that was something I was worried about every time we talked about this movie in the trailers, and we would, like, does this movie have too much going on? Does it have a lot?

I think there is just a tad bit of too much dip on chip for James Gunn. But to Charles's point, the Superman, the character interactions, especially with Lois and his parents and Jimmy. Jimmy. It is, dare I say, perfect. Yeah.

I left the movie going. I need, like, if I have to see corn sweat at Superman all the time, I want to see, if he's there, I want to see Lois there. I want to see Jimmy there. I want to see his parents there. I want to Perry White. Everybody can be there. I want a Superman.

I'll put it. I want a Superman, too, more. than I left wanting a Justice League. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Which I think is a win. Like, corn sweat as Clark Kent and Superman delivers it in ways that I frankly am still like, oh my God, I cannot believe that we are living at this time to get this Superman.

I thought we were past this. I did not think a Superman, again, kind of corny at some points, but at the same time, I'm like, dude, you're killing it. The second post-credit scene, if you stayed that long, kind of a nothing burger. But him and, to Mr. Riffick, I have this little thing about a building, Mr. Nguer was walking away.

He's like, golly, man, I should stop being a jerk. And that sounds nuts when you like hear, when he does it, it feels earnest. It feels real. He's just like, oh, man, I made my friend upset. Like, that is something I did not think we would ever see in Superman again. And the fact that not only that they do it,

but it did in a way that feels like real. and passionate, I'm in love. I need to see that guy's Superman forever. I agree with the... I understand the take, should I say. I don't think he trusts... What I will say is, this is a movie

to me that's indicative of the fact that maybe James Gunn doesn't trust the audience as much. And let me tell you why I'm saying that. everybody got it in doses everyone there was way more Mr. Terrific in the movie

than I thought that there would be shocked at how much there was fantastic but do you know why I think there was way more Mr. Terrific in the movie or while maybe you had a little bit more leeway with that Eddie was great

Eddie was fantastic as Mr. Terrific but you know what? We don't know him yeah so whatever's on the screen whatever's on the screen with Mr. Terrific we're not going, hey, this reminds me of this other Mr. Terrific

or this reminds me of this or this reminds me, we don't know him. So whatever he does with Mr. Terrific and James Gunn loves playing with new toys. Yeah. Whatever he does with Mr. Terrific is new. It's fresh. You've never seen him in combat.

You've never seen him work a problem out. You've never seen him do any of that stuff. With Lois, Lex, and really Guy Gardner is kind of the same way in that situation. Like you've never seen kind of with Lois, Lex, Superman, and Jimmy, you get those characters almost always situational. Yeah. Problem solving, figure something out.

He is orienting a world around them. Yeah. And he was able to do that with Superman and make Superman interesting because of the external pressures that were happening to Superman. He was also able to do that. with Jimmy Olson because of the external pressures that were happening to Jimmy. And that's an inverse of the way we've looked

at the characters in the past. Everything in the past has been, this is what Lois wants. This is what Superman wants. We never gave a fuck about Jimmy Olson. Yeah. They were in Batman. They shot him in like the first.

Yeah. But even think about how bringing up that, like Snyder fucking kills Jimmy Olson. Think about how much, like, what we want from these comic books have changed in that James Gunn is like, no, like, Jimmy's going to be in this fucking movie. Crypto is going to be in this movie. I'm going to convince you that, and I think, obviously, this is so indebted to what Grant Morrison did with All-Star Superman.

This movie is James Gunn saying, how do I wrap my arms around every single part of this mythology? Right. And so it's funny you bring up All-Star Superman because, like, that's one of the runs that inspired it. Kingdom Come is another one What happened to the man of tomorrow? Yeah, and Superman's for all seasons Nothing to do with King King. Yeah, King.

King comes a lot. No, no, I'm not saying that that's not true. I'm just saying that like, maybe it's the look of the character. No, no, no. I think what it is, is Superman, it's the larger world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what that is.

You know, I, in terms of just like, that is a great point. That is a great point. It's the larger world. And all these heroes being in this world and being here forever. Great point, Jome. Yeah.

And all, and, like, um, What happened to The Man of Tomorrow? When you talk about Perry White and Jimmy Olson and Lois Lane, like those are carried, like, in that particular comic, Superman has to, like, take all his friends and family and put them in the first solitude for, like, the siege against Brainiac and Lewis. It's a whole thing.

But essentially, it's him wrapping his arms around the people he cares about the most. I think that's, like, when I was rereading the comics to prepare for the movie, and I'm seeing him, think about Lois, think about Jimmy, think about his parents in ways that like I want to protect these people not only just the people metropolis but I also have a particular affection for these people I want them to be safe I'm thinking I can see where James Gunn is coming from I can see it I can feel it in the movie and so he takes like those elements from the page to the screen in a way that again I'm just like really really really impressed yeah I mean there's even a moment I will say that's like it's so small but it's so genius

where you have to think about where Superman and Lois's relationship is at. When Lois is like, you have a dog? It's such a human moment where it's just like, oh, that is how relationships go, where it's like, oh, this is a Lois that's never met Ma and Pa. She doesn't really know where he's come from. They only been dating, what, three months? Yeah, they've only been dating for, and it's like, it's so interesting to see Lois at this point being like, I'm about to break up with Superman and realizing like, oh, I don't actually know Clark.

I don't know who this guy is. Like, I understand who he is as a human, but I don't understand his roots. And I was like, oh, that's really smart for James Gun to kind of, like, hone in on the fact that even this version of Superman isn't trusting people to know that, like, oh, I come from Smallville. I come from this place and I was raised by these people. And, like, I want to ask you guys about this, like, mythology-wise. I was just, like, story-wise, it worked. I was like, it's very bold, though, to change the Jorel. shit. I still feel a little like

such a major shit. So there's two things. Let's hear Steve on this real quick. Let's hear Steve on this real quick. Because he's been sitting there like a white man. And this is this kind of gets to where like the broader plot of the movie is kind of a head scratcher for me because again a lot's going on. But I think the overarching plot of like Lex wants to find ways to get the rest of the world to distrust Superman so that he can have carte blanche to kill him. that's pretty much Lex's whole deal. So when it comes to the message that his parents leave him and they uncover the rest of it because of the engineer

and they're like, oh, well, clearly his parents just said take over Earth, develop a secret harem, which was very funny. Hashtex a good herring. Yeah. And I'm thinking, okay, so that's clearly fake. They're just making that up. That's part of Lex's narrative. I thought they were right comment.

Yeah. Yeah, I thought that that's just part of Lex's narrative to be like, hey, you're just twisting the words of what this alien language that nobody knows what it is, but all of the linguists in the world say... Took them 15 minutes. Yeah, took them 15 minutes to decipher this made-up language to say, okay, conquer Earth, like, recreate and become a ruler. I think that, like, conveying that for the rest of the world in, like, news clips and people looking at their phones. is kind of a tough thing to sell, but that's kind of like the hard thing about like modern movie making

to expedite that process. I was really like, okay, is this actually, are they actually reconning this message? Or is this like part of the misinformation campaign that Lex has against Superman? I mean,

to be real with you, I had that thought all the way to the point to where I was like, oh shit, that's really what was in there. Yeah. First of all, that is,

so you're right. Like, that is an incredibly bold choice. there were going to have to be some bold choices, right? Right. Like, there were going to have to be some bold choices. He was going to have to make the character his own in some kind of way. I think Bradley Cooper being Jorrell is bold enough.

I think it makes sense for two reasons. One, the Superman story isn't perfect. An alien sending a being to another planet knowing that he's going to be superpower and not saying continue on our lineage and legacy kind of doesn't make any sense. I mean, they could just, hey man you we're gonna save you hopefully you land somewhere where you can make it work yeah but we love you son

that's it what what's happened as the story is going on this is one reason why the viltromites or whatever it's so ripe to be actually discussed is because you know and by way i'm not saying that the old stories don't make sense whatever i love i so you like i thought you would have hated the choice you're the superman really love that show love that show Loved it. Loved it. I'll tell you, because I'm not against playing with the character.

All my favorite contemporary iterations of Superman have played with the character a little bit. Like even Superman and Lois plays with Lex Luthor and all of that stuff. It plays with the character a little bit. I don't mind that. I'm not a purist as it comes to Superman. I'm a traditionalist, and those two things are a little different. So, like, the reason why that's so fertile for somebody to,

do a take on it is because that's, you know, Jorel works for the government. Yeah. So he might be a little cynical in what his superpower son could do on a new planet.

And he might also be scared for him when he goes to the new planet. My favorite part of, uh, of, of, of Man of Steele is when he gets there, they're going to,

they're going to kill him. And he goes, how? Yeah. I don't know if you're looking at the readouts. Send him to a lot. But essentially, which is something that's really interesting, essentially what he did with Jorrell in this movie

is the tension between Jorrell and Zod in the first movie. Jorrell is, he actually makes, he bridges those characters and kind of melds them together. I thought it was very bold, but I also thought what he did at the end of the movie was even more subverses to Superman, because he basically says at the end of the movie, that really, Jorel and Laura, Laura, they're not even your parents.

Like, that scene at the end, because, like, Jorel is a ghost that exists with this AI sentience. Yeah, ghosts and the machine. Parents, Superman, like, that actually was like, hey, man, get rid of it. They're not really even your parents. Your parents are them people right there. Right. That, to me, was a much bigger swing. And I was like, wow.

I hated that. I hated it. I hated it. But I understand the point. I understand the point. The movie starts and he's like, this soothing message for your parents. And it's Joriel and the mom. And at the end, it's, again, the whole movie is trying to tell you that Superman is human.

He is one of us, this person. So when at the end, the robot's like, play the best of his parents, it sues him. It's not Jorel anymore. It's mom podcast. And, like, this. That, I understand why James Gunn would do that. I completely, I completely get it. But, like, yeah, man.

Jorrell, the guy who, for basically 100 years in comics, is like, I'm sending my son to safe his life. Yeah. And to make sure that we can live on. Go be a hero. Go help people. It's actually like, yeah, go have kids as many kids as he can and take over this world. It's crazy.

It's nuts. I don't really love it. I get it. I get it. I want to piggyback off of that because I also kind of hated that. And I think that the only reason that I would have loved it is because of my biggest problem with this movie. And I think that the Kent's are very underserved in this movie. Because whenever we encounter them, when we first see them in this movie, I genuinely thought they were dumb.

And like, I get that they're simple people. And I get that they're not. You know why you thought they were? they were dumb? Because they couldn't work a phone? No, because... No, City Boy? No. You thought they were dumb because of a decision that he made. Because those people have Southern American accents. No, no, not bad. Which they never have... No.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, which they never have... They're from Kansas? Huh? They're from Kansas? They both have, like, a Midwestern accent? A Midwestern accent, whatever. They have, like, mid-South, however you want to put it, mid-Western access. And all of the other movies that you get them, you get... And I'm not saying that people from Kansas, like, talked exactly what the kids do. But what I'm saying is, in every other movie you get them, they easternize those people. I get it.

To where they're a little bit more contemporary and a little bit more savvy and wise, you got Gregory Peck playing John Ken. You got Kevin Costner playing John King. And it's because they made them a little bit more simple, they seem dumb, but like... Yeah. And like if I can just translate that when we have like when they fly them back to Kansas and they we fully meet the Kent and they're talking to Lois and we have a very like good and affecting scene with Paw Kent and Clark on the porch talking about like parents aren't supposed to tell their kids what they are like all these things like I didn't exactly need like a Kevin Costner level stoicism to be like no don't save me from a tornado. But I really would have thought that I'm like, how did these parents raise that?

What do you mean? Like there's a disconnect from like that level of parentage to the kid that they grow up with. I get that that's a level of safety and a level of, I guess, like emotional comfort from his parents. But I feel like if they were a bit more, more like either fleshed out or...

They raised someone who is blissfully unaware at the start of this movie of his place in the world who literally is simple. He literally goes, Lois is telling Superman, like, Lois is telling Superman, hey, this is what you did. You went into a foreign government and grabbed their leader. Tortured him.

Tortured him in the desert. you as a citizen of the United States, kind of, right? Like, you went off foreign soul and you did that. Supergast's response was, people were going to die. Like, I did the right thing.

Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? He can't understand the complexity of that situation because he was raised by several people on the phone of Kansas. That, to me, was my least favorite threat of the movie,

which was just like, what should Superman do in world conflicts? because when Lois and Clark are having the conversation, at first I'm like, yeah, Lois has the point. Like, just like, this farm boy has not thought this through. He's like, his morality and the way he was raised and just the idea that like, no, I can save people. Like, I should do it.

I was like, no, that's interesting. But I feel like by the end of the movie, they land on, you know what? Not only should Superman be able to go stop these conflicts. Guy Gardner Miss a terrific metamorpho and Hawk girl also Like hot girl Like here's the thing

Yeah kill dictators Whatever It was just more So I was just like I don't know If the movie really knew What it wanted to say about that Almost

Because it was just like The movie starts with Lois being like Hey you need to think about your role In this and what it will do to the world And by the end of it I'm just like I don't know if I want the justice gang Like

Yeah You have to make the team Justice game Like I don't know I feel like Guy Gardner is the person I want to be like, Hey, yo. Are you a Socovia Accords Defender? Oh, did you sign it?

Whoa. Are you a Socorio Accordian? You want to give Donald Trump control of the Avengers? All right. It's the UN. Hold on. So can I ask you to give? Based on where Superman was raised,

I would just need to know, hey, yo. Who'd you vote for? Who'd you vote for? Son? Like, what I mean? Because he hasn't been. He raised his voice a little too loud and Lois when she was just like, hey,

and he's like, hey, Glowice, relax. And by the way, again, I don't want to harp on that scene, but it's the best scene of the movie, and I was shocked at how well, like, that's some of the best writing James Gunn's ever done. But when they have this, like, imaginary third person, which is the microphone, and, like, he finds the button, and he's just, and Lois is like,

how do you think this is going? And he's like, I think I'm going to great out. So I don't, like, is the movie? Is the movie at the end, basically being like, no, Clark's worldview is correct. We all need to be more like this simple farm boy who thinks that

yeah, fuck governments, fuck geopolitical shit. If I'm a superhero, if you're a superhero, you owe it to cross all borders and stop conflicts because I was just like, no, I think that's a very like... But Charles, people are going to die. Like, that's, that's it. That's it.

That's it. And so whether the movie makes that point in favor of Superman or against it, I think ultimately is not the issue, or it's more of like doing the right thing to protect people who can protect themselves in front of anything. That's ultimately where it comes down to.

If people are going to die and you have the opportunity, it's basically the same thing we've talked about since Uncle Band died. If you, with great power comes great responsibility. If you have the chance to stop somebody from getting hurt and you don't do it, then you don't deserve

the power. You don't deserve to be able to be. Then I would just, the reason I'm bringing this up, because I'm like, oh, that's like a very, very, very, like, thorny subject to make your, like, B or C plot. Because I was just like, at one point, there was the goofy part of the movie that I thought I was like,

when the U.S. government was just like, hey, yo, yo, yo, you, Lex, we kind of feel you, but we can't trust you because you are, you're giving arms to the government. I'm like, I'm in reality, I'm just like, the U.S. government.

You move from the screen to the invisible camera like, man. That's a Jim Halper, stairs in the camera. I'm like, it's a U.S. government, because like the movie, because like basically what I was wondering is I'm just like, the U.S. government to me, obviously Superman doesn't trust them. But the U.S. government is also smart enough to be like, we don't want to destabilize this country, Lex. We don't want to hand it over to you. And I'm like, which one is it? So the only thing I'll say is the stuff that happens at the end of the movie with the battle, like a lot of that happens after Lex's connection to the country has been exposed.

Yeah, like reported out by Lois and January. Right. So everybody has the information that there's some type of thing that's happened. That doesn't change the legality of it. Right. But it might change the thrust of the justice gang getting involved. Right. anybody else getting involved because now we know that there is something working between

these forces that it's going to emiserate all of these people and if we don't stop it it's for nothing the war because part of the conversation between lois and superman was superman telling lois that i know that these people have changed and that our allies are are wrong in this situation. I know. I know. And Lois is saying, well, I mean, it's good that you know, but not everybody else knows. These people are traditionally our allies, and this country is traditionally not our allies. And so afterwards, the only thing that's different about the superheroes getting involved is that they are, they've now, at least arm the world with the knowledge to understand the situation

and everybody has an idea of what's happening. That's the only difference. That plot though, the Baravia, all of that stuff, that is the most heady part of the movie that has the most to do and it works but just barely. It works but just barely.

All of that different stuff, that's when James Gunn, this is one of his best scripts, but that is when the movie is doing the most. There's a lot. And, like, that ending is, like, it feels like just a lot of things being thrown onto a pile. And if you can catch it, great. And if it works, even better.

I just feel like, I just wish that, like, that climax of the movie had slowed down a little bit. Because by the end, it almost felt, like, laughably too much in some instances. Again, like, a lot of it is fun. I had a great time with it still. But there's still a couple of too many cooks in that kitchen of, like, things that should be going on for all these other things to like it again it could have been a lot a lot simpler i have one big question for you though chuck is jimmy olson the biggest super villain in metropolis i was surprised they kept some of the jimmy shit where i'm like damn

jimmy you almost getting my sister fucking killed you fronting on her you lying to get i'm like that that's not real journalism to me you know what i'm saying are you saying You're saying it's bad journalism? It's bad journalism. I can tell you with 100% certainty that that is the way that it is done. Promising the dick? That I can tell you with 100% certainty. He must have went and interviewed some people that that is the way that it is done.

Not necessarily in a romantic situation, but people say, hey, I'm going to tell you this, but this is what I need from you. Oh, God. Oh, for sure. I bet. I mean, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I'm just saying it's...

Like, I could get Raquel on the phone right now to talk about... Like, I... The fact, and then the fact that there were certain things, that really resonated me, the fact that there were certain things, personally,

that he didn't want to do. Right. But that he did him. Because he had a story on the line. Yeah. It was like, the fact that... You might have had a podcast guest or you might have had a story

but he didn't want to do him but he had a story when she's like I'll send you all of the pictures that'll bring Lex Luthorr down and he's like fist pumping and he's punching the air and she's like

but you want to hang out this weekend and it's like a good like 10 seconds of like he was so good great shout out Luchin the casting I because like if I

the reason I liked mom in podcast I agree with you Steve that like like they were underserved a little bit by the script. But they don't have much function in the movie if it's not an origin story. I get it.

No, I just need one and more. I need it to make a bit more of a nugget in there. But if it's not an origin story, like what do they? Well, what I wanted to say about those characters? It's like, I think James Gunn is so good

with casting actors and characters where it's like everybody is not going to look like a supermodel. Like, these are going to look like real fucking character. Like, this looks like a city. Like, it's just like, Eddie looks different than Nathan Phelian, looks different than Mom, Pa, Kent, looks different than Supergirl.

Like, it feels like these are, like, when we start the movie and there's the, there's kind of that Star Wars-esque, like, three centuries ago. Three centuries, three decades, whatever. James Gunn really did build a world where it felt like metahumans had been here forever, and they're just part of the fabric. And that's what I liked, because I'm like, oh, like, normal-looking people would be heroes would be villains. I thought that that, like, he did populate

the world in a way where I was like, oh, this does feel like a comic book. Now, it also did look like the flash in a lot of areas. It's got the same DP. That was something I talked about. Yeah. And that's been James Gunn's cinematographer, I think, since Gardens the Galaxy Volume 2. But there were

did some of the fight scenes, some of them worked, but some of them did feel a little bit like so this is. I think, and part of that is the villain. like Lex is the big villain but the villain that Superman has to punch

and I did not I was not vibing with it I'm not going to I tell you The Ultraman revealed was terrible Well it's not because it's not That was my least favorite part of the movie Because it's not really revealed

Because at least For us people who I've read comics And know this stuff Like pretty much from the back of our hand As soon as he walks up to the Fortress Holitude and it opens And we're like Oh okay alright

That's a clone Superman Yeah not that's never been done before, but for them to like, hey man, it's Ultraman, you y'all don't know who that is. It's like, we do. Well, once again, remember it's us. Yeah, we got to sell us to everybody. We, like, we knew

the Ultraman part, for a second I thought it was going to be bizarre. I was glad they didn't do that. But I don't know. I was like, either I thought it was going to be Connor Kent. Like, I thought Lex was going to be like, oh, hold on now. Like, that's half of, that's half my DNA. I thought it was either going to be bizarre. I thought maybe it would have been, uh,

like a different universe is Superman because Ultraman is from... Yeah. Once you got Lex doing pocket dimension shit, everything's on the table. But you're in your third act. So if you should... Yeah,

you should use a new character like that. But I don't think Ultraman, the engineer, like I think Lex was so good. I thought Ultraman, the Raptors, the engineer were like the weakest parts of this movie. Right. Well, so, I mean, Ultraman has to...

They're the weakest parts, but like, it's interesting. they're not even parts of the yeah they're weakest parts they're in the movie for like five scenes yeah you know what I'm saying it's like so when you say it's when if Lex Luthor works

his minions don't matter like it really and we should talk about Lex Luthor works if like the guy that plays Otis I didn't even realize he was Otis until the end of the movie and that was kind of cool that it was Yeah. But if Lex Luthor works, his minions don't matter because, like, all of those people

are kind of there to serve whatever purpose that he has. Right. That reveal didn't work for me just because it didn't, not that it didn't work, but it was my least favorite part, just because visually it looked crazy. It looks. Visually, he had the longer hair. Yeah. He was like basically, so just visually, it looked crazy.

I think for me, the thing that it just, it's bad funny is that, spoilers for the boys' comic. Black Noir in the boys comic is a clone of Homelander sent to, or is there to keep him in check, right? In case he goes wrong or anything. And when they're making the show, they're like, yeah, we're not doing that.

We're getting rid of that. And Superman was like, hey, guess what? We'll take it. We'll take it. We're going to do it. We can put him into all black. He's not going to talk. I just need a more.

Because I needed just a little bit more. I'm like, if you're going to do Ultraman to make him quite literally just a clone voiceless, doesn't say anything, don't do anything, sauceless. It almost did just feel like I'm like, oh, you guys did need something for Superman. I actually don't mind the fact that it's like the clone reveal, like that's not to me

a problem because at that point it's just a hat on a hat where like, okay, we've already seen the CGI digital river going into a black hole. I can believe a clone of Superman exists. it's more of the fact that like it's played as like the third biggest thing that I could do as an evil villain Lex Luthor when I'm like yes of course it was easy for me to clone you from a strand of your hair from this one battle and I'm like okay again he made a pocket of bench I don't think it's like yeah yeah I don't think the movie cares I was like yeah I don't think the movie again I don't think the movie plays it that big to something we were talking about earlier movie doesn't play like oh my gosh it's a clone Superman but it's even still it's like all right that even even he didn't uh hyper hyper it up that much, it's still kind of lame, which I think is weirder. I think the thing that, again, I bump up against is the movie starts

with him fighting the hammer of Baravia, right? And it's like, it's Ultraman in a robot, in a robot costume. I'm like, oh, you could paint that green and purple. I thought that was what was going to happen. I think that would have enjoyed that more, I feel like. I think that would have looked crazy. That would

look crazy. With Luther and you were in the suit. But to me, that takes away, the most interesting part that we can talk about Lex Luthor now of the Lex Luthor character and something that they did differently here is

we normally get in film at least a Lex Luthor who is getting familiar with Superman. The only thing he really knows it's a mystery. Like where is he from? But we know that he's, his weakness is kryptonite.

We know that much about him. This Lex Luthor knows everything about him in terms of maybe not his backstory, but the way he fights to the point to where I thought it was brilliant to have Lex Luthor beating Superman

legitimately with his mind. Like when they're in combat and he's got all of the people and he's yelling out 13 L. 13. 17 P, put the things in his lungs. It's the Lex Luthor versus Superman, Brain versus Braun, is always

what they said when when left, except for when Lex is in the war suit, it's always Lex's scheme versus Superman's strength. But that was a part of it. But Lex Luthor was legitimately beating Superman up with his brain. Like, I know what you're going to do. I know what you're, and I'm whooping your ass. Like, I'm playing a video game with it.

And so that to me was like a super, like, The moment that that happened on screen, the moment that I saw that happened on screen, I was like, oh, shit, that's interesting. He doesn't just want to beat him. He wants to fight him. He wants to fight him. And he really can't fight him unless he's inside of the war suit. Lex, Nicholas Holt, Lex Luthor, how about it? I thought he did a great job.

I mean, people were saying, like, I forgot online after the movie. were like, man, it's up there where he fled his Joker. Let's calm down. All right. It's calm down. But he was really good. Like, again, he brings an intensity. And again, this is like partly a lot of Nicholas Holt, but partly James Gunn, the scene

where he's going to like open the, the barrel again because it might create a black hole and that will get Superman here. And that's all that matters. That's what I have to do. I completely bought all of that. I bought his machinations that he really hated Superman. When you're talking about him, fighting with his brain. one a one a one a one a like that's the first movie wants to do that's that's that's that's real hate he just wants to

punch the shit out of superman in his face and i bought it and i i i felt that ah he hates this man again it does the same thing it does literally when superman comes in has a speech about he can human he's like i don't care i hate you again it's a little bit a little bit over over served but again it serves the purpose of this is a man who hates Superman with every single fiber in his being. And I thought he did a great job. I thought Nicholas Holt was really, really good. I think

what I liked about this Lex Luthor is I thought it was very funny that it's like the whole movie like this felt like a six-star comic book. This felt like, you know, the Superman TV show where Lex is kind of like, we got to distract Superman. What do we got?

This little Kaiju thing. It'll get bigger. Like now I do think that like you just said hat on a hat, I think my issues with Lex was more so I was just like, oh, Lex is a character and Nicholas Holt's betrayal is working so well. It was just more so like Lex was almost like a repository for James Gunn to dump everything into where I was just like the monkeys and the pocket universe typing on the computers a little bit too much, a little bit too much dip on the chip where I'm like, I get it. But I was like, I like Lex already.

He's already kooky. The kaiju, a little bit. much. Like, I, no, no, no, no. The Kaiju's fine. The bot farm is, it's too real. That's not. That's like, that's actually happening.

Let me tell you what I don't think, Jane, I don't think what Gunn wanted to do. What he didn't want to do is give you a sparse Superman movie. No, yeah. He just, he, he, he, you got a Superman in, in 2006 to where it's just very difficult to remember, like, what actually happens in the movie, right? Then you got another Superman that was visually very appealing, but it just didn't seem like there was enough. It was just very muted in a way. He wanted to give you a lively Superman movie,

and he just can't write two scenes in a row without making you laugh. It's just not a part. It's not a part of what he was doing. I don't think that it, like, derailed the movie. I had a really, really good time. My question is, is like, was this movie, though, like, too much. And when I say too much

where it was like, did James Gunn, because you brought up, did James Gunn trust the audience? There was, part of me was like, oh, did James Gun trust himself enough that, like, I was like, yo, within all this messy, chaotic movie, there's like a, like, there's a real, simplistic,

heartfelt story. But, like, there is a part of me where I'm like, I don't give a fuck what Superman thinks about social media. So, like, and I think that we could have had a bit more, when I say that, like, sometimes characters feel underserved when you think he's a repository, what if we had gotten,

because the character of Lex is actually, like, different. He doesn't really think of anybody as his equal, correct? Like, he doesn't think of anybody as, like, somebody he can... No, unintended let his hair down in front. He's a narcissist, yeah. Yeah, he's a narcissist. If we had had a bit more of a, like, Lex talking to or at someone that he thought was his equal

or thought that he had a scene like him, like Clark and Lois, to not only challenge, his reasoning as to why he hates Superman so much, but why he dedicates his life to this, that isn't just him saying it to Superman, or him saying it to somebody

who he thinks is an idiot or his, like, ditsy girlfriend or whatever. Instead, it's just like this, you know, super villain model logging. If there was a bit more of a humanistic approach as to why he's scared of him, does that help or does that hurt?

I couldn't fucking disagree. I don't know. No. No? Like, doing that with Lex Luthor is like, explaining why Superman can fly. Either you believe it or you don't. So it's like if you put Thanos on screen and it's a big purple guy that you ain't never seen before because you ain't never read them comics,

you have to explain why he's doing what he's doing. If you either believe Superman can fly or he can't, let's do that comes in there, kill Superman now, I'm the smartest motherfucker in the world, you're not better than me just because you can lift more. That's it. is that simple. We've done this.

We've done fucked up situation with the daddy. We've done like these people think that they're gods. We've done it. We've done it over and over and over.

All Jesse Eisenberg did was talk. He talked. He talked. He talked. He talked. He talked. At a certain point,

it was like, God damn, Lex. We get it. Like, you're not fucking with him. You know, you don't know, me like you like it's like I understand like to me there's got to be some of that but that stuff

has to be said to Superman sure like it has to be said to him let me tell you why I don't fuck with you because really like as as it's portrayed in the movie a lot of times even Superman doesn't know Superman is like yo what did I do to you dog like what's what's your thing like what's your deal like that has to be told like to Superman to me And but, you know, and just getting back to it, once again, I'm a traditionalist when it comes to these things. But if we really, really have to have a scene in the movie of why Lex Luthor doesn't like Superman, then we have to make, we have to do an origin story then. We have to make the film an origin story.

No, I don't think that's what I needed. I think the stuff about the movie that was like the too much, it just wasn't like the monsters and the villains or whatever. it was a little bit like I think there is this push when anybody does Superman. This isn't a James Gun thing. This is anyone. Where I think the writers and the directors

want to put their arms around every single societal ill that is affecting us at a certain time. So this movie wants to deal with like I do think that there is a Palestine, Israel, Ukraine, Russia thing. There is like social media

and what's that doing to our brains? The fucking press. There is like every single just like thing that, like, if Superman was real, what would he have to face is in this movie? And sometimes I'm like, damn, I'm like, this is almost distracting from the one central spine that I'm really, really interested. Because I'm like- Which was the one-central spine just for so the audience can hear you?

Like, what was the one-centric thing you were interested in? I think the story of Superman basically like being at this inflection point in his superhero career where he's just like, I want people to consider me human and to trust in me, but there's no more trust in the world, is like the central spine.

Now, how do you tell that story without social media? It's impossible. I think you, I think that... Social media is the one thing in the movie you could not, not have. Yeah. Like, so you could have lost,

you could have lost the kaiju, you could have lost all that. you could have lost any of that stuff. The social media aspect of it, you could have lost the geopolitics. That was the one thing you had to have. So, and I think it is very, very, like, touchy at this moment where you say this entire world, this, like, comic book world

is full of metahumans, but the only metahumans we really meet are American ones. And by the end of this movie, if, like, you're just following the track of what this move, the politics of the movie you're saying, is essentially like American superheroes should have the power to intervene in these conflicts

which I'm just like oh okay sure and then I'm like yeah but if I'm supposed if you're putting in something that realistic I'm like usually the people who are destabilizing these countries or giving them weapons

or Americans so it is weird there's a couple things I'm going to point out one Superman has tried at least on screen on film to, he actually tried twice nuclear disarmament.

Yeah. then there was another version of Superman that went enough. You guys are fighting too much. And let me take care of it. And that was the injustice Superman. Right. Yeah. So I think the conversation with Lois was about the fact that he was acting a little bit more like the injustice Superman than he thought that he was right he thought it was a save he she thought it was an action right so he's saying hey that's a save because superman does saves he does actions save is i move you out of way of something and action is i beat up the villain he was telling her that was a save i just went to where people were going to get hurt and i saved him she goes no that's an action She goes, there's a political happening happening

and you went and got involved and when you take an action on foreign soil, there are a different set of standards that you have to adhere to. So it wasn't just a save. And the bad guy in this situation isn't just somebody that is robbing the bank, even though, by the way, that's taking the law

into your own hands as well, right? But also, and Lowe's, they do a good job. Loss is even saying, like, because you are part of the conflict, there's a story on top under the story as reporters where this guy from Baravia you're just taking him at face value.

And I do think it's a strong part of the movie that it's lowest and is Jimmy using journalism to be like, actually how do we connect the plots of Luther one to be king of Lutheria and displaced all these people and all that shit? And that brings me to one distinction

that the end of the movie tries to make through a story standpoint is this group of people is marching on this country and those people then ask Superman for Superman's help. For Superman's help. Yeah.

They put up a sign saying Superman, all right? They chant. They chant. They have agency in this, particularly after everything is known. They know that they're about to get ran over and that's what Superman does.

And by the way, like, yeah, he could probably take out all the arms and all the bad people over there. But really, a part of the character and a part of most of these characters, a part of most of these characters, is intervening when all the other guardrails have fallen apart.

It's like, I expect you to follow the law and do good. I give you the choice to do that. But when it gets down to the get down and people are about to die, if you didn't have the ability to help out, or if all of that failed, now I have to get involved.

We talk about Batman. We talk about the fact that Batman, the Dark Night is a fantastic movie, right? Why not just kill the guy? Let's go to Mr. Terific, though. Mr. Terrific and the whole secondary group, of people. Go.

I was shocked at how much Mr. Terrific played a role in this movie. I can make an argument that he was the true and look, just... He had the best fights scene in the movie. I could make an argument that he was the true winner of the movie. Absolutely.

He was the actual co-leet. James Gunn has a lot of gunnisms, right? The gunniest thing he did in the movie is the scene where they show up at the beach and Mr. Ruvik has his T-sheres and they're just going crazy. Eliron Lois and he's got it in the bubble

and the music is playing and it's reminiscent of the fight scene in Guardians of Galaxy 2 where Yandu is taking back the arrow. It's like very much in that same vein and I'm in the theater and I'm like literally I'm next I'm sitting next a man and I'm like that's James Gunn like that's James Gunn.

Talk about Mr. Terrific? Yeah, that fight scene. That's James Gunn. Or even the joke about the Lois calls them the T-Circ circles. They're the T-s spheres. That's 2D, it's 3D. He was, Eddie was so just like magnetic and funny,

and it was just like, hard character to get right, too. Yeah. Because usually in the comments, Mr. Terrific is very, like, he's a stoic. He's very stoic. Is he the third smartest man?

Third smartest man in the DC universe. And he's always just kind of like, I don't want to say there's a lack of personality, but Eddie brought, he's haughty, but he's funny and he's cutting. and he has a moral compass. I thought that was amazing. I thought Nathan Fillion as Guy Garner was really, really funny as well.

Isabella as a hawker. I thought the justice gang of it took away from the Superman aspects of it. But in terms of just like what this universe could be in terms of its heroes, I was like, that was fucking interesting. Metamorphal look cool. See, you know what? I actually expected them to be in a movie way more than, I thought the story was going to be about them. By the way, I'll say it again.

this movie wasn't really about anything that I thought was going to be about. Right. I remember they were saying this movie was all the superheroes and Superman becoming their leader and the Justice League and everybody's going to be in a fucking movie.

Not about that at all. Yeah, I mean, it is. Kind of, yeah. I think the circle of in the beginning of the movie it very much seems like Superman is almost on an island alone where it seems like he is the first hero

to be like, I'm so powerful. I can stop a war. And it seems like the justice gang is like, we're corporate backed. It almost seems like superheroes in this world, they've met of humans have been around, but they're not, they're not the gods. They're not the like,

they're not Wonder Woman yet. You know what I'm saying? They're still a little street level. And it seemed like by the end of the movie, James Gunn was saying, oh, Superman is going to be the one who gives them the hope and the belief in themselves

that we're not just protecting Metropolis. We're protecting anyone in me. God Garner's not just thinking of himself. They're a little skeptical and cynical. And that's the kind of the hard thing that this movie had to sell because I'm like, okay, so if you're three years into Superman exposing himself

and... Jesus. Yeah. Three years into what? He took the red trunks down in front of everybody? Trunks and no trucks. I mean, if he was on the end of the movie, him and Lois is getting nasty in that building.

And when Perry was just... Completely. I hung him up in the past three months. I got a quick trunk story to take. quick. Oh, gosh. So in college, I'm not going to name the guy's name, but in college was one of our homeboys.

And my mind told you out of this story already. In college was one of our homeboys. Huh? You should himself? No, not the shoot himself story. Okay. Okay, this is a good one now. So there was one of our homeboys, and he got a BDR.

A BDR is, and you guys can lower third this if you guys want, you got a bad dick report. Oh, right. I have heard the story. So he got a BDR. And he got a BDR. And we was, me and a couple of the homeboys was talking.

We were talking to the girl that gave him the BDR, which by the way is a terrible thing to do, but it used to happen in Bann Rouge. This was in Baton Rouge. This was at Tech all the time. Talking to the girl that got the BDR, we were like, what was wrong? Like, what did he do?

Because, you know, as homeboys, we want to make sure that, you know, if he, maybe you talk to this. The most toxic place on the face start. Yeah. It's up there. It's up there. Gotta be bad.

And she was like, really, he tried his best, but he just doesn't have it. Okay. So it was just too. He didn't have it. He didn't, he didn't have it. He's like, his meat was too small. She tried his best. His meat was too small.

Is he like, I'm super. Jaylon Brown. The sideline talking to age of Reese and him? like, I don't think Bronny's a pro. I don't think Bronny's a pro. He had to show you to meet. And it was funny, no, this is what happened. It was funny because one of my homeboys, I will say his name, his name is Justin.

Justin was hilarious. Justin was like, God damn, the nigger to make no circles in it or something like that. And we was like, oh, my God. He's like, he didn't make no circles. It was like, oh, my God. So anyway, so anyway, that happens. Jesus Christ. That happens.

one day. Then, like, the next week or the week after, we got all the girls in the room and we play a Mario Kart. One of our homeboys makes a joke, and it's an inside joke, right? It's an inside joke. He said something. I can't remember exactly what he said, but the inside joke was, okay, this is what happened. A homeboy left to go to this girl's apartment earlier.

And he was like, yeah, man, one of the homies out to disappoint somebody else. and we all laughed and then the girls giggled and we was like, you don't know who we're talking about and they was like, yeah, we do. We know who y'all talking about? And she didn't know,

we're talking about so-and-so. And we was like, oh shit, she's around there popping it like that? She's telling everybody? And they go, no. It was like, one day, we was in here getting drunk and he took his pants off

and he just had his draws on, just his draws. And I remember one of the girls looked at me, she paused a game, she went. No bump at all. And I was like, oh, shit. No bump at all. So when y'all in these trunks,

make sure you pay attention to the bump. I'm not on bump watch. I'm not on bump watch. Pay attention to the bump. Watch your own bump, because these ladies are watching. They have makes of up in their minds. Just let them know. His bump is on display at all time.

I think that's why the bump is on display. Because James Gunn and David Corn said it on all the press are like, man, what's the reason for the trunks? Like, you got to make it, they look kind of silly. This and that. You got to make it be approachable. Nah, man, you can't let nobody, you can't let nobody see a meet through the, through the sit. Yeah. That's what it is, but what I want for bump watch is like, does Superman's meat get harder and bigger the closer he is to the sun?

When it's creptych night, does it shrill up? Right, right, right. Probably the first thing to go. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But think about it because I remember what he was something like. I don't feel cold.

Yeah, he's going to look like a raisin. Yeah. Why he's so gross looking? The sun comes out and that motherfucker comes like, Bha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. I just need a quick second. Hold on. You know what I'm saying?

Let me, I'm liking this movie the more we talk about it. If we'd be a real nerds about it, metamorpho. Great. This nigga is just like, I know how to make kryptonite. And then he's like, well, I can make a son.

I'm like, damn, you can't just make another kryptonite color? So here's what you guys? They don't know that, right? And so in my head, I'm thinking, okay, he's going to make a different blue kryptonite, whatever. Again, like another kryptonite to make him strong again. No, he's going to make, he's going to do nuclear fission in his hand. I don't understand.

What? So, hold on. Metamorpho could have made another kryptonite for who? Like another color. Yeah, another color of kryptonite for Superman. Oh, that's what you're saying. He doesn't know about the different kryptonite colors. But I was like, it would be way easier to make a different kryptonite color than a son.

Right. Like nuclear, every, first of all, first of all, first of all, I mean, didn't see that arm for him, because he just did this. Not only said that whole place burned to the ground. Everybody should have been blind. Like, it's just, it's insane. The gravity that it takes to do nuclear fission at any level is insane. Well, Joe, we are watching.

It's a super normal movie. Yes. No, no, no, I get it. But just for like that one. I didn't know about that. I'm not, I'm like, this is fun. It's all like, I'm in the flow. It didn't, like, ruin the mood for me.

But to step away and think about it. It's like, yo, man. It's insane to think about. Yeah. They really don't know about the other Christmas. He just made a son in his hand. And we were like, cool. Let's move on.

Because the girl, like, looks, he's like, Hey, making a son. Yeah, no. That was actually bringing up. They really, so, okay, so James Gun does know about the prison experiment. By the way, the guy that was holding metamorphose son. Okay. Not so quick on the uptake, right?

No. No. You saw that whole thing. It's like, he's like, he sees metamorphose. It's like, not, not, not he's that. Didn't do his job, because, hey, if he makes a funny movie, but before we move on,

legitimately surprised when Luther executed that guy. Molly, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, go ahead. That was crazy. I mean, that's part of, like, why this was such a good villain in the movie. My unpopular take,

that's an ugly baby. That baby was a ugly as hell. He was green and weird. So when they're trying to say, I'm like, you can. Let him die. You can lead a baby. All right.

Don't go. Jomey. You didn't went too far. A rare Jomey L here. Be careful. Like three babies don't deserve to live? Yeah, what are like? Not actually, but

it's like, every time they cut to baby, I'm like, Martian Manor is somewhere like, wake up in the morning and I see it's $4.50. I'm like, what's $1?50? Not actually, but I was just kind of like, hey, man, y'all kind of let that baby

cook in the C. John's shit and shit a little. Well, I had some questions for, like, speaking of, like, you know, me, I was just like, we saw Metamorpho's wife. I'm like, she's not green. So I'm just like, why to bait? Like, what's happening here? Not as Sean J's. It's like Sean J's.

Yeah. Well, you know, people like look like they dad. Like, did the mom be put it in front? But metamorpho, like, I guess he can, can metamorpho make sperm? Absolutely. You make anything. You got to, I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. If you can make a son with your hands, I'm pretty sure you can make anything. Well, you got to remember. at the end of the movie, he turns his hand into a big hammer, like iron hammer to smash the tank. I'm sure he can make another hammer. Yeah. Trunks.

Yeah. So a couple of things that I liked, because we've been potting forever, and they have so much work to do. Sorry, guys. I'm sorry. A couple of things I liked. Number one, there was literally a shot where, and Jummi was sitting next to me, where I went, oh, my God.

I'm sorry. Exactly. talking about. There was literally a shot. I'm sorry, for a Superman nerd, Superman porn. There was literally a shot. Oh, when he comes out from the dust,

oh, that was beautiful. I went, oh, my, man. I literally, Jomi, Jomi was next to him. I went, oh, yeah. It's when he, like, he catches the building and he lets the car free, and then he lets it fall. And he's just, like, rising above it.

And he rising out of the dust. You got bricked up. Bricked up. Super brick. I know that that was going to be Van Cagnon. I'm like, oh my God. And then at the end, when they took the training wheels off a little bit and let Superman get busy, we have not all talking about my homeboy crypto, who is also in the movie. Oh, way.

I will have to say, crypto, my favorite part of this movie, they might have to put that space dog down. Okay. Okay, so I wasn't best with the baby, but you're going to let him kill the dog. You just, he was up to you. You just want them to do it, but I was like, damn, crypto biting humans now. Well, I will tell you something. He's got no discipline.

That's why they keep him at the first shot so you can't take him to Krigg. He'll kill somebody. Millie Alcock's, uh, Supergirl. Camio was a nothing burger. But like, she exists. But she exists. It's cool.

Like we'll see it. Um, and they also told me a lot about how they're going to do that movie. Yeah. I think right that run. and how she like came and she was like drunk and all that. I was like, oh, I know exactly what. Yeah, we're in front. Right, right.

It could be fun. But crypto being in the movie a lot, being in peril a little bit, James Gunn, a lot, a lot of likes to put animals in peril. This is my, he loves animals. I had to save that squirrel, man. But save the squirrel. He knows that what James Gunn knows, he knows that we're if he on people, but animals. Crypto was the best part of the.

this movie. I love fucking crypto. I wish he would die, though. No, no, I don't wish he would die. I'm just saying, you're gonna bark collar on him or something? Like, guys, let's just be real. Even Superman is just like, I can't even leave him at my parents' crib. He's gonna kill the cows. I'm like, hey.

That part was funny, man. That's funny. What the heck, dude? At the end of the movie, when Millie Alcock shows up, he's like, look at this, no home training. Yeah, no discipline. Out there wild. What's wrong with you? Wait, is it the robot for?

who's just like, you know, realize we don't care. He doesn't know. He does. I don't even think Superman likes crypto that much. No, he's not looking at him. But at the end of the movie

where is Superman and crypto in comp, because the best fight scene is the Mr. Terrific fight scene. But I did really enjoy Superman against all of... Oh, the Raptors? The Raptors.

And seeing him get busy and spin around with his layers and seeing Crypto and Superman in action together. When they're fighting Ultraman and, like, he's like, oh, if I think... take out the cameras, you can't control him. I could be him. And the crypto is like taking out the cameras,

Bravo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty solid. But also, does fighting work that way? I know y'all like the like 1A or A1 or whatever. I'm like, hey, yo, not my Superman. My Superman can get busy. Like, call up Bruce, get some kung fu lessons. And I know, like, he was getting washed at every single turn. He was. You know what I thought about?

I thought about great performances in boxing that I've seen. I'm going to start seeing yon these videos. because there's a lot of videos I don't be sending y'all because y'all don't be responded to videos in the text. It's not that you've sent a couple that have scorched the earth. Yeah. So not only that, but he's, because he's telling true, but he's kind of lying to because we'll be at the crib watching a game.

And then halftime be like, let's go to YouTube. And now you're sitting there, I've talked 15 minutes. We're sitting there for 30 watching boxing videos, watching videos about lead. He's like, now you see his tech me. And he doesn't think that he has it. And he's going to rewind it, right? Yeah, you see, all, y'all, I missed it. You're going to check this time, check this.

This is why Frazier was the goat, actually. But it's not even just boxing. It's the, hey, yo, have y'all ever wondered the empire's tax structure? Yeah. And I'm not 20 minutes. I'm like, the game is back. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm old.

It's the AMC Championship game, but I'm old. These are the things I watch. But when you watch some videos, every once in a while, there's one where it's like, this dude figures something out in the second round. And then watch. him continuously do this for the entire fight to where this other motherfucker does

not pick up on it. Every once in a while, it'll be like Floyd was doing it. No, the good guy, Floyd, Mayweather Jr. Floyd was doing it where he was jabbing Diego Corrales, rest and peace to Chico, jabbing him to the stomach, jabbing him to the stomach,

jabbing him to the stomach. And then eventually, he faints the jab and just knocks the shit out of Chico and puts him on his ass. So anytime while I'm in a movie where like, he remember the Jason Boar movie? No, not Jason Boar movie. It was in Batman versus Superman.

It was in Batman versus Superman where two guys are fighting and some kind of fucking... Oh, it's in the little, like, when he's trying to find the Portuguese, the white Portuguese and he's going underground to the fight ring. Good movie. Okay. And and he sees the black guy because, you know, Bruce

cares about the brothers and he whispers into his ear and then all of a sudden he knocks them out. I'm always going, that shit possible. That shit can happen. Like, you can see somebody's patterns. If you're in a fight, Bruce Wayne I talked way too long about that, I apologize. I'm so sorry.

I apologize. I apologize. I'll analyze this fight better. This is the biggest fucking movie for us of the year. We can go a little fucking long. All right. As we're wrapping up, does this movie do what it needs to do, which is like, I think it had to do

two things. It had to prove to us that Superman could like fly, pun intended, but it also had to kind of pitch us on the DCU. Dan, did it do both? Yes. I give you two answers as to why. Number one, the things that annoy me or I thought they were going to annoy me in the movie didn't end up annoying me at all. I did have any problem.

I didn't think about it when Superman was flying. I didn't think about all of the other stuff. Why is eyes red when he does this? That's not what happened. he got lays in his eyes, the whole not, all of that stuff that what we thought we know didn't end up happening. Let me tell you why the movie made me believe in the DCU.

Yes, I know Eddie a little bit. I'm saying it, I know him a little bit. It's a great guy. But Mr. Terrific, Mr. Terrific to me was the proof of concept in this movie of the DCU. Superman worked. The character worked.

The three leads were great. Lois Lane was great. Jimmy Olson worked. The three leaves were great. However, that character being introduced as competently, being written as well as what he was, and being as cool as what he was, to me, says that, because that's a character that doesn't really,

hasn't really existed before, that people are going to be like, oh, where is this guy coming from? Right. Like, that to me says that James Gunn can take old comic ideas and make them into fresh film ideas. That you could take characters that we know from the comics was essentially it was the Marvel thing, right? I don't want to compare it to Marvel. We've done a great job of not marvelizing this conversation, so I'm sorry to have to do this. Essentially, the Marvel thing was this character has existed in the comics for a long time.

And some people like this character. Some people love this character. But let me tell you why it's a good character on screen. And that was really kind of what they mastered. Now, getting Superman right or getting Batman right, cool, getting Mr. Terrific right, getting Lobo right, getting these characters right. This is where the rubber meets the road for building your comic universe. So I think, totally, I would not expect every DCU movie to have the exact same tone because he has said that he's not going to write.

and direct all of these like Snyder did, which would be a mistake if he did that. So I'm expecting some different tones. I want to see what Clayface has. I want to see, but just knowing that we're going to get completed scripts, which this script, even if you felt like it was overstuffed,

have very clear first, second, and third act with answers to questions in the script and character development. And we learned more. It was a good type script. And also, I could tell this was the movie he wanted to make.

It was a movie he wanted to make. It's like, whatever I could say about, like, I didn't like this or that or the third, I felt like the difference between this and a lot of later stage Marvel films is I'm like, everything on the screen is something that James Gunn believes in. And I'm just like,

I can nitpick at it, but like it felt... Don't have to be perfect, it just has to be, it has to be visionary. It has to be like the vision of creatives. And so those are my things. I think, yeah, I think the DCU is in good hands. I don't expect, I wouldn't say that just because James Gunn made a good

Superman movie because he's not going to be making all of these movies. But the fact that there was care given to new characters on screen and they were developed and I was like, oh shit, there's a world here and I see it. I think I'm in the same vein of like, you know, I enjoyed

the movie. I thought it was really good. But I love the characters. And so knowing that there are more opportunity to see those characters again, that's where I think the movie excelled at is the fact that I cannot wait to see David Cornset as Superman again. I cannot wait.

I cannot wait to see Lois Lane again. I cannot wait to see Jimmy Olson again. That's the real magic of the movie. And so in terms of making a good movie, they did it. To settling me on the DCU, 100%. I can't wait. I'm very excited to see what the DCU goes. I think that this, I think I'm a little bit less on the DCU of it all because, again, we're, like,

I'm looking forward to like a lot of fresh and interesting takes and tones in under the shadow of James Gunn's new Superman. I think that has still yet to be proven only because of the people that he will now bring on. I think James Gunn is really, really good at playing with these interesting and excellent tool sets and toys. And I love this movie. I loved, I had a great time with it. I'm very, very interested to see what the DC-EU goes

because we have a lot to build on now. And that is exciting. So yes to the first? Pretty much, yeah, to the second. There's going to sound like a diss and it's not. This movie actually made me, want the DCU to produce less and to kind of like take the stuff that they're working on and just make a movies where I was just like the lantern series that is about to come out on HBO.

Part of me was like after seeing this movie, I'm like, damn, I just wish that was a movie where I just like I just kind of wish that I want that early phase one Marvel feeling where I'm like, all right, you gave me Superman, you proved you can do Superman. give me that two-hour Green Lantern movie. Give me like a two-hour like small Justice League quirky movie where it's like maybe Batman and Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner

and Booster Gold. Like, you're saying that there's a chance that they fall into the same trap that Marvel did. Yeah, it's very easy to get into that. Yeah, where almost I'm like, I think the reason why I could be like,

even if this movie wasn't everything I wanted, the reason I can walk away feeling positive about the experience is I'm just like, Oh, there is a difference seeing these characters on screen done well in a very contained, contained package. I see the vision. I see the vision. I have a question for you guys.

And it's something that I was thinking about after the movie. And I know you just mentioned, like, we're not trying to compare the Marvel and the Marvel stuff. But where do you guys think this ranks in terms of James Scun's superhero offerings in, like, cinematic universes? We should do that. We should save that. we should say that for it. I already know where it is. Okay, go for it. Go for it. I've really been thinking about this and I'd have to think about it. So, go, because I have a thought too, but.

In terms of his like superhero film. Yeah. Guardians of the Galaxy 1 is still at the top. I would say Superman is in the, is probably in the later stage Gardens of Galaxy volume 3, where I'm like, I think Superman is better than Suicide Squad. I think it is better than Guardians of the Galaxy. Volume 2, but I don't know if it's better than Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3. Almost a tie, but if I'm just,

the reason why I didn't want to, I wanted to do this, since I have to rewatch Gardens of the Galaxy 3. Because I have a feeling that there's just no way Superman could be as good as a movie that finishes off a trilogy and ties up that many bows. But I also think the films have the same problem

where it's like, I think Guardians of Galaxy Volume 3 was really overstuffed. And this movie is over stuff. And I'm wondering if like, do you guys think if James Gunn is like, I'm doing the second Superman movie, he might feel a little bit more emboldened

to be like, all right, I've launched the universe. We could focus on a Superman. Or is it always going to kind of have to be like... I do. I think this film, I think this film, because first of all,

for the next one, it might be good to see like Superman on another planet or something. Like, I don't know, do something really. Not a whack or... Maybe. I want to see Brainiac. I think they could do it.

But maybe... But in this one, I thought it was an incredibly smart decision to put Superman in the middle of a world. Yeah. And have the world all around. No, I agree. Yeah, yeah. So just so we kind of get to know the world and him as sort of like a guy.

And maybe we get a more mature Superman. next time or maybe he's hardened or he's in some sort of peril since the stakes are set up. This one is almost, it plays like a prequel almost. Like it's, it's like, there's, there's, there's a Spider-Man homecoming

for Superman. Yeah, yeah. So, so yeah, anyway, yeah. I think for me, and this is the thing I was thinking about when I was thinking about the James, like James guns, like cinematic universe offerings, obviously Guardians 1 is one. I think Guardians two is the last, is

five and then you could kind of, depending on how you feel, man, you could kind of put... Superman or Guardians? Superman Guardians 3, Suicide Squad, you can kind of put them in any order you want depending on how you feel about suicide squad. They're all kind of the same movie. And what I mean by that is I'm like, they all, like,

gun has, like, crystallized into what he does, which is just like there's going to be a lot of animals. There's going to be some cute babies. Like, you know when the jokes are coming. And I'm just like when it works, it works and when it doesn't. Honestly, I mean this as a compliment. James Gunn sometimes makes a family guy episode where they're throwing you, they're throwing so many jokes at the wall where I'm like, I'm going to laugh a couple of times.

But I was actually, we didn't answer this. Now that we've seen this movie, do you want a Brave and the Bold Batman in this universe? Or do you still want Robert Pattinson in this universe? Oh, just Robert Patton doesn't work. Robert Patton doesn't work in this universe. I feel like you don't think there's any way.

The Easter ain't a good movie. Yeah, you saw it on the nice little you saw it on the Gotham. So you guys think there's no way

you could see Matt movies Batman in this DCU. I think it got lighten up. I think you got lighten up,

have some fun. But think about the dichotomy between them though. It'd be hilarious. It'd be hilarious so funny. I don't know

that dichotomy still works even if you lighten up Batman even a little bit. Nah, well, yes, but I think

like that particular like Patton in particular be such like a type highway I'm wrong. Actually, you guys are right. You could do it. You have to get it right because what you don't want

is him to, uh, Batman to come around and just sour Superman or for Superman to come out. The only thing I would say is I can make an argument that we haven't seen a version of Pattinson's Batman that is formidable

enough to be on because Batman has to be past his Batman is still feeling like a year two year yeah yeah yeah Batman but Batman has to be the big swinging

dick in the room not not brooding emo Batman but he has to be like like like swaggy confidence he's got up like not he's not like Lex he's not evil like Lex

he's got able to stand up to man be like I'm not I'm not really worried about this fuck you yeah but even aesthetically because I think what the MCU decided to do in the beginning

is we are going to kind of make all of our solo movies look very very similar so when the Avengers come together. It looks different. It's not as.

And like, part of me is like, why couldn't you do like the complete inverse of that? Where it's like when Batman is in Gotham, it looks like a fucking Batman movie. And when Superman is in Metropolis, it looks like a fucking Superman movie. But when the Justice League comes together, we make a new palette. It looks like, is that possible in movies? I don't actually, because I don't think it's still green, because I think about like, the first part of Batman when he's driving around Gotham in his motorcycle. Imagine Superman landing there

and like, hey man, y'all live like this and then Patterson going to that white, beautiful betropolis and you're just sitting there in the corner just like on the gargoy looking crazy. You'd have to fudge it. I see the vision, but again, it's difficult.

It's difficult. But it'd be so funny if like Superman just like descended to the hospital room when fucking Bruce was yelling at I was like, why you treat him like that? Yeah, why did you? Why did you jerk? You're like to?

Have some respect. Yeah. Yeah. You think your, I got parent issues. That man raised you. Okay? At least you like I. Okay.

We'll get another. You don't want to see Zoe Kravitz next to corn sweat? Man. You know what? You guys? I think it can work. The Batman gets better every time I watch it. It's a good.

It's a great. We got to stop with the man. Better than the Dark Night. Well, the Batman is a 7.58 movie. I know. But it's, but it's. but it's a really good movie.

People are saying it's crazy. It's crazy. It was harder for me to kind of, I liked it, but it was harder for me to get into in the theater,

but it is a really fun watch at your crib. Honestly, if I'm going to be, and this could lead us into the midnight meter, I think the Batman and Superman are almost like

identical movies in terms of just like the things that make them great and the things that hold them back where it's just like the bad one was over stuff too. Yeah. No,

And that's what I mean. Where it's just like the thing that it was three hours. No, no, no. It's because this movie, Sirman, is 158 without credits. And it fills over stuff. Batman is legitimately three hours. Yeah. Right?

It's a different type of over stuff. That's why I'm laughing. Time wise. It's like, that movie's stuff. But it's like, you get out and out of there. Batman, you in there like, all right. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm supposed to go home at some point. You know, but you're right. You're right. All right. All right. All right. So we got to go to the midnight meter. Y'all know what it is.

One to 12 rankings. one to ten, one being the worst, ten being the best, 11 and 12 reserve for game changers. We're going to start with you, Jomey. I'll start with me. I'll start with me last time. Start with Steve.

I was white. Let's start with you. On the midnight meter, Superman, where are we going? This is the, like, strongest eight that I've given in a minute. Okay. Okay.

Jome? Yeah, leave in the theater. My first thought was an eight and then thinking about it, you know, just all night and all day. I literally have not stopped thinking about the movie so I've seen it. I think an eight is where it's at. I think it has some high highs and the stuff I don't like personally does not ruin the movie at all.

I think the things that it does incredibly well, it sets up the DCU for success. And so I'm an eight. I want to give it a 10 really badly. I'm not going to. I'm going to give it a 9. Wait, what's holding it back from the 10? Because a 10 says perfect movie, just not a game changer. And I don't think that can go there.

I'm going to give it a nine, but I want you guys to watch out for Mulligans on this one. All right. This is my score? I want to say watch out for Mulligan. For you? For me. For you?

Oh, not down. Oh, okay. Oh, it's not going down. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not, no, no, no, no. This is going to be your new, what do you call it, matrix of directions. You come back in December.

You come back in December like, guys, it's a 12th. Stand by. The movie's perfect. I don't care with any of all day. I wanted to give the movie a 10, but if I gave it a 10, it would be on the fact that the movie gave me the Superman feels. Right. All right. And we haven't rewatched it.

We literally saw it last night. Yeah. To me, like, this is going to be the most Mulligans movie ever in terms of- Because my score, I came in here, like, being like, this is the most seven movie. Like, not seven in the bat, like seven solid movie. Like, I think I gave Geront. Park, like Jurassic World Rebirth, which, by the way, fuck y'all.

We told you all that Jurassic. Hey, we had fun. Like, by the way, we just like, like, like, fuck y'all. We like that shit. I don't like that movie. I didn't know we were allergic to fun out of you. A lot of other people are liking that motherfucker, too.

You know, that's right. We like that shit. Come on. So, so. But here's the problem. Talking to y'all came in at a seven, but I had so much fun talking about the movie and reminiscing. I kind of want to give it an eight.

And I think you know what? If I'm going to be positive about this because we have Mulligans, I'm going to give it an eight for now. I need to rewatch it just because I'm just like, hey, yo, like, we really got to fine tune when it comes to mold. Come on now. Positive. I nitpicked at this and that, but in terms of I will always,

people are always like, oh, why are you so down on Super? Is it that? I'm like, hey, yo, this movie can be corny. James Gunn can, some of his humor can annoy me. but I'm always going to support people where I'm like, all right, you had a vision and you committed to it. If I felt like I was in safe hands, if I felt like, oh, I had a fun time at the movies,

like, that to me wins out overall. And I think James Gunn has always, I've been up and down on certain movies he's made, but he's always been able to land the plane and make me be like, all right, I'm glad I spent my time watching this. Yeah, well said. That's great, dude.

We didn't talk about this, but one of the funniest parts in our theater, at least, was the peacemaker cameo. He's more popular than he might. Hey, he's sure. He showed up. He showed up. He said,

Hey, people must like Peasmaker a little bit more than we think that they were. I was very surprised. I didn't think anyone would give a shit, but people were happy to see fucking people were so... I will say it was funny.

I like, I like Peacemaker. I love it. I do not like that show. I do not like that. I didn't know John Cena had that in the bag, but you know who didn't really have the juice, which made me a little worried.

Supergirl really didn't get, like... Oh, nobody care. No, no. I was like, she came over the front corner. And it was crickets. I was like, yeah, nobody like, nobody kidding. A lot of game left, fellas. Yeah, a lot of game left.

I did like, you know, her little, she had a little thing to her. I'm interested in Supergirl. And if we're going around like the Jorrel change, I do think it's interesting. If having read that comic, maybe this is a super girl who's a little bit like, fuck these humans. I'm off planet. I'm off world. I'm getting drunk.

See, that could be fun. You know what I'm saying? Like, if she's the more like, no, I'm not. was a teenager on Krypton. Like, we better than these people. I mean, me a Haram. Like, I think that could actually be, like, cool because, like, that would make sense why she wouldn't train crypto?

She's like, why am I training my dog to try to protect these people? Like, they said Haram a lot in this movie. That's like the one. That was funny to me. That's genuinely. Last thing, that's like I promise. Hashtag Superman Haram. I like them.

Top five, who do you think belongs in the Superman Haram? Okay, so this one, so I've thought about this. Of course you have Of course you have. I have. I have. I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So if... Anybody in the D. Any body, is it anybody in the D.C.? No, no, no. I'm talking about people in real life. In real life. In real life. In real life.

For real life. Okay, because you want, you got to hit all that. Because if you're doing a harem and you're sampling the wares of her. Right, right. Right, right.

So actress. Let's go actress. No, no. First of me go, reality star. Yeah, I don't know. Hutter. Oh.

Whoa. I know you would do that. So now you're on Love Island. You're on a train. I don't think Superman's strong enough to deal with that big. Hell yeah. That's the first. That's not the stepfather, but the father who stepped up.

Hell, yeah. The man is still. I don't think he's great enough, man. You got that. The first pick for the Superman harem right now. Agreed. It's got his hoodah. It has to be.

Oh, my days. Huda. Huda. Hutter. Hutter. Hutter. I said Hutter. It's the first one.

Okay. No, my miss. So you said actors? Yeah, actress. We need someone from Hollywood. So you got to go, how to? Zendaya. But here's the thing, because I was going to say, I don't know if Hove was going to like this.

I'm like, can't be in the Superman Herald. We can't have two black queens in there. Jesus Christ. I mean, well, I wouldn't talk about black queen. I was just talking about Hollywood. I don't know. I don't know how to black, can you imagine the black community basically being like, And yo, you steal it all our queens from us, Clark.

So are we saying now that if we put this person, because I have multiple black women in the... Right, right, right. It's going to be a, there's more... This white alien can't take all our black ones. What? Right. So...

So then if we go athlete, Rakea Jackson. The Sparks. L.A. Sparks. L.A. Sparks. This is an insane conversation, I just saw. Yeah. Why is insane?

Because it's real. People. True people. Porn star? A porn star for the, right now? Yeah, from the hair room. Willow Ryder. Look that up, Chuck.

No! No! One computer? If you guys don't know, you're going to be super duper happy to know. You put people on right now. We need a mover and shakeer. We need a politician or like an activist or someone who could. A.

Oh, fuck out of here. Fuck out of here. I'm out of here. Cut his mic off. Cut his mic off. Cut his mic off. Cut his mic off. Cut the mic off.

What? No. No. No. I'm no. No. But did you say it? You said it. You said there was a mover and the shaker. All these people are in Jimmy Olson's phone right now.

You wait. You wait. I don't know. I'm saying. What was all. He said movie and shake like a politician. AOC.

That's a fucking, that's a crazy dope harem right there. I was thinking like Lois Lane, Lada Lane, Wonder Woman, you know what I mean? Well, if we were doing the comic version, Wonder Woman is the number one overall. If we be as well,

it can't be a part of a fucking harum. Wonder Woman is the fucking queen of themuskira. Whoa. Superman and Wonder Woman fucking hooked up in the cards already. She got to be,

you can't be, you can't put her in a harem, you know what I mean? If we don't talk about the harrow. So what I'm talking about is, let's say Jorrel in the second movie is actually alive and he's like, son, Mujo Harrow. Yeah, we're just like, what would be the harem in the DC universe that would impress Jorrell? It would probably be Wonder Woman.

So then Wonder Woman. Catwoman, he needs to be like Batman. Oh, dog. See, you're getting, now you thought you told me I was toxic. How would? Not, but the Catwoman, that's the homies girl. That's the homie's girl. Batman don't want to put a ring on him.

That's the whole. You don't want to put a ring on it. That's the situation. That's the age. You can't go around and start having kids with your boys, girl. That's, come on. But is this the Batman that snipped Lois? Yeah.

See, the problem is, this is the problem with the harem. And it's an underlying problem. Superman don't really have no ladies like that, man. You want to say Superman don't have hosts. I did. I saw you. I saw you. You know, I did.

I'm afraid of Alleya, bro. I don't know why Alley's opinion matters to me. So I didn't want to say it. But, you know, I guess after the... But you got to throw poison ivy in there as well. What I'm saying? That's what I'm saying, because Superman doesn't have his own. So he would probably...

He's got to go to some of Batman. He's got to be Poison Ivy or... She'll go over to Gotham. Tally off. It's got to be some of them. So it's Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Poison Ivy. Where are the last...

I would say, I mean, Lois, obviously. And Lowe's getting in the hair, So no black women on the hair. Black women in these, how many black women superheroes are in the Bucson? I was actually going to be like they should have called Vixen to train crypto. That sounds wrong. I don't know why when you say it. Because that's her whole power.

She got the amulet. She could be like also. It is crazy though that the black woman like she don't really turn into like beast boy can turn into the animal. Vicks would just be like running on all fours. It was insane. Beesboy actually could have been the dog trainer. Honestly, these boys are the dog trainer? Actually, no, Starfire would be the last one in there.

Oh, Starfire. Oh, yeah. Or actually, Raisin would be to be in there. Well, these are the Teen Titans. These are the Teen Titans. We got to age them up. The Teen Titans been, well, the Teen Titans been 23 forever, but since our Superman 30. If they grow, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, you said our Superman can't. If age gap, Joe me. Not. If Superman's 30, Starfire is 23, can he do it? If he, if he, so it's seven years, if he was 23 when he met her and she was 16, and then they start day. Oh, shut up, John. Why? He's got to make it.

I'm disgusting, bro. I'm disgusting. That's all right. Our producers in the Saw Factory are Alea J. Whaley, J. Whomey, Adoneron on socials, hashtag Super Haram, an additional production from our Juno Ram Capound. Chuck, take us out. Superman can fly. Crypto is pretty mean.

We support the super harem. Clark, you can't have all our black ones. Yo, I got to get back to work, man. Video games have been fucking me up, okay? Video games, I played a 14-inning game yesterday in MLB-25, the show. Nice. 14-in- What game? I mean, not what game by what team?

Dodgers, Cubs. There's a new fucking rule, I guess it's new, two years old. Yeah, ever since 2020, they put runners on second base, the beginning of the innings. And that really ratchets up the intensity. You know what I mean? I haven't been watching that much baseball, but, you know, I'm playing the game, and it's like extra inning rules. And it starts off a runner on second.

I'm like, I got to think about every pitch. Sorry, wait, real quick. We had a take about this before we were sitting down for Superman. about no hitters and people being dicks about being on base. Okay, yeah, real quick. So if you got, this was a baseball thing. Charles, you have to be the judge here. Do you know baseball at all?

Not very well. I love going to Dodgers games, but not very well. I know about the rule changes you're talking about in terms of like you only have so much time to pitch and shit. Pitch clock. Yes, it's another rule. That's new. Yeah. Sort of new.

But so this is the thing. Back in the day, there was this pitcher. this guy who has great politics his name is Kurt Schilling. Kurt Schilling was pitching a perfect game. Do you know what a perfect game is? Yes.

Okay. So nobody had touched first base in any way you should perform. Perfect game. Very rare. Like what, less than 30 in the history of Major League Baseball? No hitters.

Also awesome, but less rare, about 326 of them since 1876 or whatever it was when the MLB started. Okay. The score is two to nothing. It is the either the top of the bottom of the ninth inning.

I think they were at home, so it might have been... So, oh, my God. What? It's top of the bottom of the night. It's the last inning of the game. I'm pretty sure. Look this up. Somebody looked this up.

I'm pretty sure that this was in the last inning of the game. This is what game? This is against two? It makes it even worse if it's the last day. Kurt Schilling, perfect game. Kurt Schilling, perfect game, blunt. Let's see. Oh, no, excuse me.

It's in the eighth. Okay. It's in the eighth inning. It's in the eighth inning. So, Kirchingly has a perfect game going. The score is 2-0. And a gentleman named Ben Davis comes up to bat, and he bunts. He bunts.

The butt drops between the pitcher and first base and kind of that butt, no man, like a drag blunt, and then he gets on first base. Okay. Now, the argument that we had was there's an unwritten rule in baseball that bunting to interrupt a perfect game, something that's so historic, it's kind of Bush League bullshit. Dick move. Yes. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that it's a dick move or it's a two nothing game?

You need a base runner to bring the tie and run to the plate. you're trying to win the game. Do you think that you should get that base runner however it comes? As a true hater, fuck your history. You know what I'm saying? Fuck your shit. Like, because here's the thing. All we talk about now is winning, winning, winning,

championships, winning games, how many games you won. It can't be both ways. I got to help this man make history. But also, like, if it's, I could see if the game was totally out of reach. That's what I was saying. I understand it was totally just... If it was 7-0, I would be like, no. Yeah, but it's 2-0-0.

You got to get on base. You need to win the game. You got to get on base to bring the tie and run to the plate. However, you can get on base. Get on base. Jomi says no. You sound like a bitch to me. That's what it sound like.

That's insane. That's what it looked like. 2-0. Go get a single, niggins. Get your bat out. I look forward to you being the catcher for the Anahide Angels. World. mentality. Hell no. Be a man.

Jomi was adamant, by the way. Stand up. Jomi, because we talked about it, Jomey was like, nah, man, it's bullshit, bro. That's some hater bullshit. I could see and we looked up the whole thing. The time, we obviously didn't know what any of it was, but it's too nothing. If it's two nothing, then you get on base.

You got, and there's a big argument, even still to this day. I saw a Reddit thread yesterday. The thread was so fucking. How many grass? about people fucking pissed off because if you play the actual video which I'm almost certain

we'll break this clip out. Look at the look if we can use it on Kurt Schiller's He's so many. When the guy butts for the base hit and gets on bad. Could have happened to a better guy. Right. Ruined his perfect game. It could happen a better guy. I'm looking at it like

dog. I remember when Shohay went for 50-50 in the same game the opposing the man the Marlins pitcher or Marlins manager was like, don't just intentionally watch the pitch to him. Right? Like, I mean, I guess they were getting blown out at that point. It was like, like, 14 to three or whatever.

But at that point, he was like six for six. He went six out. He was insane. With three home runs. What the fuck? I would add. He was going crazy. I would have a little.

Yeah. You should be able to box after. Like, it's he doing, like, if you want, like, it's like. You can fight in baseball. All right, cool. Like, I'm not even talking. I'm talking after the game, just mono in the fucking parking lot. I got to see you.

And that's fine. And then we never talk about it again. Right. I will say this. These baseball fights can be high leverage. There was a brother for the white socks. Yeah. Down goes Anderson.

Down goes Anderson. Who was one of the best players in the league. And he caught basically a lucky punch. A lucky punch and got straight dotted. And the photos. even better. Ain't been the same sense, man. Remember when Jose Batista

got got? Yeah. Oh, man, that Rough Net Odor smacked absolute hell out of Jose Batista. Midnight baseball boys.

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