The Ringer-Verse - ‘Terminator Zero’ and our Most Wanted Anime Adaptations | Mint Edition

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Jomi and Steve are back and ready to dive in to 'Terminator Zero.' The guys share their instant reactions to the new Netflix series, before presenting their top five ideas for anime adaptations they would like to see. Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the once in a while podcast about all of the latest fandom that you just can't live without Jomi it's been a minute how are you doing? I'm doing good and guess what Steve

what's up sir? We'll be back because we're doing Terminator exactly and come with us if you want to live because we've got a bang-up show for you today we are going to be talking about

Terminator Zero the latest Netflix anime adaptation of our favorite Western IP based on robots coming from the future to kill us all. But before we get to that, we've got some programming reminders for you. Next week, ButtonMash is going to be taking a look at the hotly anticipated Astrobot. Game of the year, buddy. Define Hartley. Who was like, and who was in the weeds like, man, astrobots coming out, man.

Let me tell you who, Jomey. Me. Me, bro. I was ready for it. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to talk about it. Absolutely. And on Tuesday,

House of Our Brings' Their Thoughts on the Lord of the Rings musical, Mal and Joe took a little trip to my home city, Chicago, saw Lord of the Rings musical. It was amazing time. They're taking a musical journey with you,

and they're going to be talking about it. Also on Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are back, and I am back on the Midnight Boys to give you the whitest movies draft. a draft that will surely be something very special for all of us. Yeah, we won't get canceled for that one. I probably won't.

I think I'll be good. Right? I should probably be fine. It's a home game for you. It's a home game. Yeah, a rare home game for me. It's one of those movies. You just be like, man, remember this movie, man?

We was watching this up there in Chicago in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois, man, right? Right whereby, uh, There was, what's it called? Kevin was living up there. Exactly. Don't we all love a Christmas story, that wonderful movie?

Yeah. It's going to be great. Oh, man. But today, we are going to be talking about, again, the latest Netflix sensation, Terminator Zero,

the anime adaptation of namesake, and we're going to be giving you our top five each most wanted anime adaptations. And that's going to be a fun little game for us. But to begin, Jomi, we're gathered here today, hat in hand, to kind of admit that

we're watching a lot more anime than we ever thought that we would be. This is kind of following in the tradition of a lot of anime adaptations that we've been seeing on Netflix and Prime and many other places. Before we get into our immediate thoughts on anime adaptations and Terminator in general, what are your thoughts on the Terminator franchise? Do you like these movies? Are you just like a one and done?

I've seen one and two and that's about it. I've seen one and two and I've seen salvation. Oh, no. And judgment. I've seen Judgment Day. Oh, there you go. The ending of Judgment Day scared me, man. That scared me.

Just a little backstory. Didn't have cable for a long time, right? But shout out Channel 13. They had all the movies. And so I don't think I've ever seen like the R cut of Terminator of any of the Terminator movies Oh, because it's all on the made for TV

version of things So everything was like censored and cut for time and content and all that stuff So you never saw like the exploding skeleton Nah Of the thing, no, oh man No, no, no I remember the ending of Terminator 3

Judgment Day so well Right? Because for me, however what I was like Terminator 2 you're talking about Terminator 2 is Judgment Day Oh, then what's the third one where they go into the... Third one is Rise of the Machines.

Oh, but that's when just where they happens. Yes. Yes. Okay, that's where I was confused. Again, I was a child. But they go into the thing and they're like, you let us here? Why did you lead us here? Oh, to save you from the nukes.

Ah, yes. I was like, oh, snap. You know? And then I was so excited for a salvation, man. I was so, bro, Christian Bail. Like, the whole, he has the whole, you know, yelling thing, the thing. you're so unprofessional I'll never work with you again

Yeah Whole thing I was like Who cares that he's kind of a dick on set I'm here I'm locked in Let's go And then it's fine They were still They were that was

They were trying to make Sam Worthington happen At that time You know that was like that period of time Yes that man that was made out of CGI Right We didn't say There's a lot going on there I said that's when they

They turned the ride in six flags from like the ghost thing to the Terminator Salvation Joint Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I was, I mean, it's not, it can't be the worst Terminator film because Genesis exists. Yeah.

So, you know, it can't be. But ultimately, like, it's still a fun ride. I enjoy the Terminator lore. I think we haven't learned any lessons from those films in today's day and age. The whole robot's taken over and, you know, destroying us with AI that we ourselves created.

I felt like that was like a strong message came out way back when. And in 2024, it's like, hey, who needs to follow the lessons of our forefathers? But ultimately, I am very well versed in the Terminator universe. What about you, Steve?

I'll be quite candid. I'm really only a one and two, and that's about it. I haven't even seen Genesis. It's been a million years since I've seen Rise of the Machines. Let me tell you something. You don't want to see Genesis.

Don't see Genesis? You don't want to see Genesis, my boy. I feel like I kind of want to, like, knowing that it's that bad. Because you're going to get really sad because Arnold is old and Amelia Clark's in it. What I remember of Genesis was when they debuted those terrible posters of Genesis, where it's just like Amelia Clark holding a gun screaming. And then that's about it. And Jason Clark is in it, who's a fantastic actor.

Like everybody, everybody was at the, kind of at the peak of their game when they cast that movie. And it is for, and by all accounts, it feels like it could have been good, but like, man, that was not great.

It's not. So, you don't, it was definitely not it. It's not what you want. It's not what you want. But then I saw Dark Fate and then I thought, oh,

this could be a fun throwback. And it was more or less pretty fun. Like, it was a lot of CGI heavy, but like there was a pretty good element of Terminator 2 that was in there. It was just more or less make it a, great chase movie with a cool killer robot. And the lore, I think, of the Terminator franchise is the thing that really gets, I think, both the series and maybe when we get to talking about the show, this show a little bit, a bit more.

Like, I think that's when we get tripped up in the whole grandiosity of this plot and this world a bit more, when it really should just be a great action romp. and as bad as Genesis could be and as amazing as Terminator 2 can be I think that there's like a really good middle ground that a lot of I think modern day Terminator movies or at least Terminator Fair is trying to find a balance in of like there's a war on humanity there's like awesome like tanks rolling over skulls

and you know 2025 is like this is what like this bleak future looks like and we're all going to be, you know, slaves to machines and all that stuff. But then again, it gets into these ideas of like, okay, what is fate? What is destiny? What are all these like big, heady ideas when really I think we're just kind of here to see like cool chrome skeletons, like beat people up? I disagree. I think it's the opposite.

I think the entryway is big robots, you know, fighting against humans and. all that stuff. And then they give you the existential stuff about fate and destiny. And if you could change your fit, would you? You know, like I think. You could change your moment to a beer, would you? Would you? I think that's ultimately what the series is.

And so I don't know if you've seen the Sarah Connor, the Sarah Connor. The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I have, actually. You have. So you locked in. You got, you know, you know, well, some. Like there's a, I think the TV element of, of Terminator's a little different, right? Because on the movies, you can have the elements of fate and, like, destiny and, like, those conversations.

You know, it's against, it's a two-hour film. There has to be some action. There has to be some stuff, like, popping every so often, right? You got to, like, cram that in there. But on a show, like this one, like Sarah Chronicle Chronicle's, you have to, you have to dole it out a little bit more. You have to like think about for sure the existential ill. Like what is going on? What am I doing?

Literally, what am I doing here? Will any of this matter going forward in the future? I think that's what makes the shows this one and or Sarah Connacle, Sarah, the Sarah, I'm going to get this right. The Sarah Connor Chronicles and this show, that's what makes them, that's what makes them special. I, I am actually inclined to agree with you on that point, Jomey, but I, I think that when, again, when Terminator gets tripped up on those things, it is when it has those headier themes and a bit

more of, a bit more to say with itself about like the folly of humans' designs when it comes to technology and staring down the face of humanity and all those things. And I think the things that it gets wrong the least is when

it can boil itself down to a solid action film or a great chase or things that like find themselves compelling in the grander tapestry of its theme without actually kind of like boiling down, you know, a war or a bigger threat or anything like that. It's gotten that thing. It's gotten those elements wrong a lot more than it's gotten right, in my opinion. And I think that might be the thing that's like, oh, maybe that actually might be the series Achilles heel. but I think if we want to move to talking about Terminator to Zero right now,

I'm rather impressed. I think that it's weird to think that certain IP or certain stories can lend itself to an anime style. So when I think about Terminator, I'm like, okay, this could probably work. This is like the T-1000 obviously is iconic and amazing looking and the idea of a killer robot coming for, a sort of, you know, another seemingly like set of, like, innocent-looking set of kids in the face of a scientist that may or may not be having a bigger theme in all of this war against humanity. What did you think about Terminator Zero and do you think it was worth your time?

Absolute cinema. Really? Absolutely cinema. I was locked in. No, bullshit. No, for real. No, for real. No, for real.

I was locked in. You know, we do the, you know, Again, it's another IP thing, you know what I'm saying? They could, you know, throw some flashy stuff at you. But honestly, and, like, I'm not going to lie. First time I heard the... D-d-dun-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-da-da-da-da. I was all right.

Y'all got me. Y'all got me. But as a story, like, moved and progressed, and we got to know the characters more, and we got to understand what they were thinking, their motivations, why they were there, why they were in the position they were in. I was like, oh, this is some gas. it's not just about the robots fighting you know it's not just anime

adaptations we can see robots fighting robots and chasing and shooting and all that there is an existential thought process to the entire thing that ties it together you know does this matter how can I change the future if I know

that like the if I know what's supposed to happen you know like does the past matter does the future matter does any of matter, except for this moment right here. And I think it was brilliantly done in a, and woven to a tapestry that looked great, sounded great, was just a feast on the eyes, and ultimately an excellent eight-episode journey that I cannot wait to hopefully see more of.

I would say yes and maybe a little bit, again, I think I come back to this of like, it just only slightly bites off a little bit more than it can chew. And I think that this is a bit of an... I think it's a bit of a studio and an adaptation problem rather than an execution problem because a little like production fact about this is produced by Studio IG, the Japanese animation studio behind Ghost in the Shell

and Attack on Titan. Obviously, the pedigree is there. And the storytelling expertise is obviously there. reflected in both the quality and animation, character designs, and more or less the story. But I think when it comes to, there's a B plot between one of our main characters, uh,

Malcolm. And I think his overarching plot with the AI that he's created, Corico, um, it gets long in the tooth for the overarching B plot of this story to finally find, a couple of twists and turns late in the game to make it a bit more impactful. And I feel like that could have either been truncated

or at least drawn out a little less than what we initially got. But I think overall it was a very fun time. I loved the English voice cast. I don't know how elitist you are, Jomi, about dubs versus subs, but knowing that this is a like Netflix adaptation from a Japanese studio,

I knew that they would actually like more or less at least be decent on the dubbing front. So I opted in to get the dub because it had a bang up English voice cast. Timothy Olifant as the Terminator, Rosario Dawson is Corrico. A great amount of other people. Anne Dowd is here as well. What did you think about both the cast and adaptation of as far as the performances were concerned? So in the argument of dub versus subbed, I'm a, I'm Switzerland. I'm neutral.

Interesting. Okay. My belief is watch the medium in its original language. Language of origin. Yes. So if it was made by a Japanese company and it stars Japanese actors and then it's dubbed later in English, watch it in Japanese. For sure. Right?

If it's made in English and then dubbed in Japanese, watch it in English for all languages, right? When Parasite comes through, you know I'm turd it on himself. Right, yeah. When Squid Game defaulted to English dub, I was like, oh, this is disgusting. Yeah, I'm not, I was not there, you know? No. Like, I hate Emily and Paris,

but they speak French in that show, you know, because the people are French. You know what I mean? How would you feel, by the way, Jovi, how would you feel if Emily from Emily, said Emily in Paris was just dubbed in a different voice or accent or language? I might like Emily more, honestly.

You might? I might. If she was just speaking Spanish. Yeah. I honestly, it might be an improvement because her French is awful. But in terms of like the, the, the Coro thing that you brought up earlier, I don't know. I think that's like the crux of the show. Like that's literally, like, that's literally what it means, right?

Because Malcolm and Kokoro go back and forth. And yeah, maybe it's like, well, because, okay, spoilers for all of Terminator, but specifically Terminator Zero, he is from the future. And so he knows, like, he's playing like, man, I have dreams. I'm like, brother, nobody, dream. What do you, brother? You know the date and time that Skynet's going to go online? Okay, buddy, you're from, you're definitely from the future.

Yeah, you're clearly from the future. You're clearly from the future. but his whole thing is can I like can if I know the future right can I change it right is is there something is there anything I can do right by building Koko by being in this position now to go and make something happen and ultimately yes but not really you know and he has to like wrestle with that fact. And I think that, again, that's

why the show worked. Because while he's doing all the, he's doing all the thinking and our characters are doing all the acting, all the action, right? And so it's two levels that it's kind of like like a wave. Like there are ebbs and flows that work.

Right. And I think both of those storylines with the kids and their protectors and with Malcolm and Kokoro, I think those go and balance perfectly. they do the thinking, the other storyline does the shooting, and it works in concert so well. It makes for an excellent show. Excellent points made.

I think overall I really did enjoy this. I think for the earlier half of this show, it starts off incredibly strong. I think the way that it can introduce a set of kids that again, I think, I think we fear the dreaded pluck factor of our of our titular children here in this story. And I think for the most part, they did okay. But our B plot of just like getting the kids to Catland

while having our human protector character that like almost all Terminator movies have, all great Terminator movies have had, Like they're definitely trying to find the tried and true things that work as well as like the constant pursuing Terminator. I think for the most part, they nail that.

I think what the show could have stood to do a bit better was pacing those things out in a way that kind of lent itself to the eight episodes that we got. I see this. I more or less saw this as one long film. And like I know that that's like the kind of the dreaded trap. of the Netflix season one of things where things aren't exactly truncated into episodic terms

but more of as like as a continuous narrative that you just happen to like be chapterized into eight episodes but I think once we get Timothy Eoli font as the voice of our main Terminator who really only speaks for I think one episode's worth of dialogue

he was in the move for five minutes I will say this if you came for Timothy Oldefant you will be disappointed because he says literally one line in episode three and then he does not speak until the season finale

or Phil for Joe it's been so long since Cobb Vance you know what I mean It really has reset that clock by the way but no I think I think the menace that that character has

is easily captured in both animation as as well as well as it ever has in live action. I think the better aspects of the violence, the action, the pursuit of those stakes is really good, and I like the idea that it introduces a lot more

added lore about having this sort of proto-human non-terminator, but also kind of a terminator in Malcolm's then-dead wife that is brought to the fore from this new AI that he, constructs in the future and then brings to Tokyo in modern day. What did you think of that twist? I mean the twist that she was a robot the whole time?

Yeah. That wasn't a twist. Okay. Let's get into the twist. Like of the things that were like, oh my God, here it comes. Like did anything, what actually got you? I think the only one that got me was the one where Kenta is important. Where he's like, well, you broker a piece or you broker a deal between the robots and the

humans. I was like, oh. Oh. Okay. That's interesting. I was like, I thought that was a lie. I immediately thought that was a lie. Can they lie? Can the terminers lie? I don't think the terminers are really good at all. I think they could lie. Of course they could lie. I kind of felt like it could have killed him. They can deceive. Nah, I mean, not to that level, right? Because so, remember, Kokoro is talking to Malcolm. She's like, I think humanity might be the key like to destroying SkyNet. And you're just like, yeah. oh, yeah, like humans can do a thing. But maybe she's talking about Kenta, right?

Because I guess she's not alive in that future that, for sure. Determinators coming from and where he's coming from. But I think, like, it's kind of, maybe I'm reaching a little bit. When I saw it, I was like, oh, he needs to be alive to, because the robot is going to die when you press the,

when you do the MP, Koko-Kou, they nuked the thing. but in the future he exists to broker peace. They sent that robot back in time to do that. You wouldn't lie about that. But if he sets off the EMP, then Kokoro does not exist to protect humanity in that one pocket of Japan from those nukes

from Skynet in the beginning. So hold on, hold on. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. But he's still alive in that future. I understand that. But humanity's not protected, thus, there's no possible countermeasure for SkyNet to like be brokered with in the future. This is like this is operating.

As long as he's alive, they can broker a piece. See, and this is the shit, man, okay. What do you mean? It's simple.

It's not hard. No, it's not that simple. Because the main problem that I have with Terminator. No, hold on. This is the problem that I get with Terminator lore because it tries to play with the timey-wimey shit a bit too much.

And the way that the, that the show explains it is basically, when the profits basically like, okay, so you think that you're just going to be going across this line and then you're just arcing right back to the same line and then you're going to change that. No, you're actually zigzagging and making new things and like it, it's the time old, like the time honored like long-winded and obviously like not cohesive explanation about how time travel works in any story that you get. It still gets to be where those rules get thrown out the window. And this is just more so the problem that I have with

most time travel stories that end up over explaining their mechanics a little bit. Because when we're faced with this end choice of like, okay, either blow up the EMP or not, it's basically a trust exercise to whether or not that future is going to matter when he makes that decision. Like if that future is going to actually lead to where it's going to be, only knowing that we're going to be changing and sending more things back to the future anyway. And I think that that just kind of undercuts the stakes of whatever a show props up to eventually change whatever happens later on.

Does that make sense? You don't believe in Terminator at all then. And that's the problem. It's like it's hard to because I feel like it kind of just starts undercutting itself because it's only relying so heavily on time travel. Like, are you feeling me here? No, not even a little bit. Because the entire thing is, look, if you could go back in time and change history, right?

If you had that, if you had that choice in your hands, what would you do with it? Right. Right. In this particular scenario, it's completely selfless. Right? I want to go back and I want to save humanity from Skynet. And no matter what they do, it never works. Right.

It never works. So then you're left wondering what's the point? Like why? I mean, you can say you're going to be like, why, why are we here? Why does any of this matter? And it's because they're, you have to, they're risking their lives, risking everything for a modicrum, for a chance. a slim to none chance of saving the future that they've come from

and going back to a world where they believe they have an opportunity to change the past or change the future. And it usually doesn't work, right? And so that's why I like the Malcolm Kokoro like that tire arc. That's why I love that arc is because that's the entire thing is dealing with.

It's like, Corcoros looking at like, look, man, it sucks, bro. you built me to stop Skynet. I'm looking around. I don't really see it. Yeah. I mean, I could do like, I could be cool with it. I could be cool.

I kind of see where you're coming from. But if I'm being, I'm giving it a buck with you. Skynet kind of spitting right now. Oh, no. And this is, and I'm going to turn this around. I actually, this is the part that I actually really liked about that relationship with Cocoa and Malcolm because most of their conversations is him knowing. that Skynecks is going to fuck over humanity and she doesn't have access to Skynet's

ultimately like philosophy because she's not online. She's just isolated from the rest of the net and the rest of the outside world. And before she actually meets Skynet quote unquote meets Skynet, she needs to be convinced of the reasons why or the reason why humanity is worth saving. And Malcolm doesn't have that.

And then when she is brought online and then she meets Skynet and finds out why Skynet thinks that, she's like, hmm, Skynet was actually kind of too quick to judge y'all. Yeah. And I liked that because it's not so easy for Malcolm to answer that, but with an all-knowing entity that, like, you basically, like, bring the countermeasure to what that is,

I like the idea that there is some shown humanity in, like, the Kokoro AI, by contrast to SkyNet. The way I, I mean, yes, and that's part of why that arc is done so well and why that works for me. The time thing, I always see time, no matter like what I'm watching.

I feel like, how do you see time? I see time, see, everybody sees things, it's a timeline. Time is a circle. That's why clock's around. Let's just have that first bone rip conversation of just like, Let's be Matthew McConaughey with the beer cans.

Well, it's like a stream, right? I think for Terminator, it works like a stream, right? You throw a rock in there. Right. Oh, here we go. It's going to keep going. Okay? You can throw, unless you put the biggest rock and you block that river, right?

If you blow, unless you blow up time, it's just going to keep, it might divert. It might flood somewhere. But over time, that rock. is going to erode and the river is just going. And then the river of time is just going to wash right over. The river of time is just going to keep going. It doesn't stop. Right.

And so I think trying to overdo the tiny, whining stuff for Terminator, you're losing the plot. You're absolutely losing the plot. For sure. And to be, and like, I want to be very clear. This has been done a lot worse,

both in stories and in the Terminator franchise itself. I need to let you all know. Like, this is perfectly fine. Like this is a nitpick of an overall, like, really fun story and a really fun time. I mean, I don't know if you, I don't know if anybody listening watches Rick and Morty, but there's the snake jazz episode where the snakes have to go back and like kill somebody. I think it's snake killer. I think I remember this episode.

And like it's like Terminator. They send like a Terminator. Then they send like another snake. And then it's a Terminator snake. And it's just like a whole bunch of snakes. They just send a bunch of snakes to kill Snake Hitler. Yeah. And it's like, okay, this, well, who cares?

Right? If you send another snake to do the thing and do the thing, that's kind of how Terminator is. Yeah. It's kind of dumb in that way. But at the same time, what makes it special? When you watch, again, when watch the snakes do it, kind of like, hey, this is silly. This is silly. But the way Terminator does it, you're talking about fate.

You're talking about trying to change the future. and the way the show breaks down the aspect of fate and should humanity be saved and all that I think it's different and new for the Terminator franchise and I like it. I liked it a lot. I'm with you. Ultimately this is really, really fun. Definitely worth your time. A couple of things that I wanted to quick ask you before we got out of here and moved on to

animation adaptations. question for you in this world, would you buy one of those cute looking maintenance robots knowing that it could possibly turn into Kokoro and just get like a, they have like a P90.

No shot. No. I won't be there. What about the little cat? What about the little robo cat? The little neko thing? And the answer is no, chief. No.

Conoco is not happening. Nah, it's not. Did you not have any of those like... We had the little robot, the little things, you know, like the little robot dog? Yeah, you had the robot dog when you were a kid? But here's the thing. As soon as, I mean, I guess, like, we do kind of live in a world where the robots could take over at any time, you know what I mean?

For sure. But as soon as I, as soon as I, like, take a little sniff in the air, oh, we're doing like, oh, we're doing AI for real right now? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're taking the electronics down a little bit. I don't even, like, I don't even got Alexa at my crib. I ain't got no echo, none of that. Right.

It's not, because that's how it starts. family has caught you out of that too. Just like, don't talk to it. Don't talk to the dot in your house. I'm not there, bro. I'm not that woke. I'm sorry. You know what I mean?

A.I. not going to get me. It's not getting me, brother. That's fair. You know what I mean? By the way, speaking of, speaking of robots. Like, we talked about Masaki being a robot, not shocking anybody, because, obviously, um, the one thing that did get me besides, uh, or the another one that got me was, uh,

Aiko, Aiko, right? Echo? Being Michael's mom. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh. Like, that one, like, kind of half-surprise me. Because it's like, because they do have, like, the little thing where he gets born. We see, like, his past.

He gets born. And the person holding him is ECHO's partner. And I was like, oh, wait, hold on. Yeah, I couldn't. It could make nothing. It's also, like, it's weird. This isn't a knock against, like, the. style like it looks great but like just the way that people are drawn like nobody really looks

alike therefore like I couldn't be like oh that's clearly like you know I knew what I was but I mean she could have been a nurse or something she could have just yeah but I was like that could be nothing but it could mean something so like I was like interesting uh maybe that planted a seed where I was like maybe and then it happens you're like ah nice okay cool this whole thing comes full circle yeah like a zero like a zero um um Yeah, I think Again, the show just does a really good job, like

wrapping everything together. I like the kids. I know we usually hate children and this stuff. Kenta sucks. Yeah, Kenta does. Kenta does suck, but you know, what can you do? It's the first time they wanted to go to

Catland. I'm like, we don't need to go to Catland right now, kids. But they did, though. They did. They did. They made it to Catland. They didn't have to go to Catland. I thought that the action obviously was really good man dime via crossbow bolt

is not fun I mean it's tough I mean how many nails can you store it in there really is my thing probably a lot you know like the terminator thing is so fun because like obviously

Iko has experience fighting terminators right so for her this is this is regular daguer you know what I'm saying like it It is kind of crazy how the Terminators be killing people on the street. Kind of like, easy, boom, snap your neck.

You know what I'm saying? Right. I know Igo has training. You're a robot, bruh. You know what I'm saying? Cut her and a half. Like, lock it. By the way, can I tell you what the most useless thing in this movie was?

What? Or in the show? It's that little telephone wire that cops had attached to their hips with their guns. Look, it was, it was a 90s, man. It was the 90s, you know what I'm saying? It's different, you feel I'm a different time. But, like, everybody just rips that shit, right?

I'm sorry. You know what I mean? It's cool, you know, hey, what can you do ultimately? Right? And again, the Terminator's, it's a big hulking mass of metal. It's going to be slow as hell. I get it. You know what I mean?

You throw it down an elevator shaft and just give it 20 minutes. It'll be right back. Yeah, they're like super durable. That's why the Terminator is so scary. That's the thing, like. Because it'll always come back. It always come back. That's the, like, undying, pun intended, undying essence of the terminator why it's always going to be scary.

Yes. Because don't matter what, unless you melt it in lava, it will come, it will come back. By the way, did you ever see the movie It Follows? No. You know I don't like those movies. Oh, man. Oh, it's so good. I don't like those movies.

It's such a great thriller. It's so great. Because, again, the monster in that is just like, it's a thing that follows, you. you. So it's like a weeping angel from Dr. Who? More or less, but it's not like it's not blink activated. It's just like no matter the distance, no matter

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All right. Jomey, we've had a lot of anime adaptations over the years. We had, oh my goodness, we've had Batman, we've had the Matrix,

we've had... Suicide Squad. Suicide. Oh my God, Suicide Squad. So many. Varying qualities all around. But I really do like the idea

of animating a Western IP into anime because there's something that if it works right, it can really be fun and refreshing. And I think we wanted to exchange some of our top five most wanted anime adaptations of Western IP. So small bit of rules before we begin. It has to be a Western IP.

It has to be Western. It can have an animated adaptation already or it could be animated itself, but anime is the main perpetrator here. It could not have been anime, if that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. And this is also going to be pitched as a multi-episode TV show, not a movie, and common picks are allowed if we happen to have any. Jomi, would you like to kick us off with the first one? I would defer to you, big man. Lock it in.

I'll start off. This one was like the absolute first thing that came to my mind. Initial D is one of my favorite manga and anime of all time. I just thought it was so cool. And the easiest type of adaptation for that studio to do is fast and furious. I think that lends itself so easy. Deja vu.

Deja vu. Dejave. Dejave. No, but honestly, fuck that. Fuck that. We just do Tokyo drift as an anime. Like, fuck it. That's just initial D.

Like, come on. That's exactly what we need. That's good. Come on. That's so good. Like, we get, we have like a cameo from, you know, Vin Diesel, like, in anime form. And, like, I think the, first of all, the memes write themselves. We got Paul Walker.

We got Luda in here. Everybody. I think the, I think the car chases would be amazing. I think it could be an amazingly dramatic and ridiculous story. They could still go to space. They can still do everything that they do. I feel like Fast and Furious, more or less, is anime already. If it's not anime, it's a telenovela, and that's more or less anime anyway.

Yeah. Okay. That's good. For me, one that I, this is going to sound really silly, but I need you guys to stick with me here, right? All right. Spider-Man. Okay. Okay.

But. Keep it. Mm-hmm. But it's a romance anime. That's it. Okay. So this is high school. High school.

You know, he's doing Spider-Man stuff, you know what I'm saying? We're not going to see, like, admittedly, we're not going to see a ton of it. You know what I'm saying? We might see them have a couple of fights here and there. But really what it's about is like, yo, man. High school living. I have to, I got to go to school. I got to fight all these freaking green goblin and salmon.

But the dances next weekend. Oh, man. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, all me and I'm trying you know Liz Allen's over there and Betty Brands over there yeah oh my Gwen Stacy is over there and Black Cat is always trying to shoot

at me bro like ah my life is so stressful this is going to be this is I think this is going to be a big perpetrator of like fan service in the sense of like romance as well it's a full it's a it's a it's a hairm anime full stop oh Jesus

basically basically quintessence Quintuplets. Right. Type B. You know. Central Quintuplets. Cafe Terrace of the gods.

Yes, bro. I'm telling you, we're locking all the way here. Man, what a pull quintessential quintuplets was. I don't want to talk about it. We don't have time to get into it. We don't. We want to clear out 30 minutes.

We can clear out 30 minutes. We clearly do not have time. We actually don't have time for that. Right? But that's the kind of vibe I'm looking for. Like, yeah, you know, we might see him like the show might open. And, you know, he's going, he's going band for bandwidth. with shocker.

He's like, yo, yo, shocker. Yo, I, I got to get across, I got to get back to school,

man. Don't we get the festival. We got the festival, man. I got to, I'm trying to get to Mary Jane because if I'm not there, when she needs to dance,

we're not going to be together forever, bro. Like, I need you to, I need you to chill. You know what I'm saying? There's no higher stakes than, then, then high school.

There's no higher stakes. You got to have a beach episode. You got to have a festival arc. You know what I'm saying? The, the whole thing. I need. it. Gotta have it.

Tell me, a billion dollar idea. Hit me up. Sony. I'm right here. You freak nasty, man. Look, I just like the content. What can I say? All right. We're going to come to mind. I really had a tough thing to not get to make all Disney picks right now. But one thing that I need to see

is gargoyles in anime. Are we familiar with anime? Are we familiar with gargoyles? I know gargoyles. Yeah, we know gargoyles. I mean, Keith David, man, come on. I mean, it's not, I mean, it's still, but my thing is like,

what can it be approved upon if at, an anime adaptation versus just like the show? Are you kidding me? As it was. I think, I think it's deserving. I think, I think that's an unabashed upgrade. Are you kidding me?

I don't know, man. I don't know. The original kind of is, right? We get all the standards. We get, we get fight scenes. We get magic. Maybe. the grit of New York City.

We've got some, you know, monster romance possibly going on, you know? Monster romance. Yeah. Don't act like anime is not above it. I'm not. The brother. Brother. Yes. I am aware. You mentioned quintessential quintuplets. I know you have knowledge.

I'm in the weeds. I'm in the weeds. No, you're in the trenches is what you are. You're not. All right. What's your next one, man? All right, fine. Gargall is lame. What do you got for me? Jurassic Park. Ooh. Jurassic Park, Adam A.m. You know, Ian Malcolm.

Laura Byrne. Okay, so we're still in the park in this one. They haven't escaped throughout the whole world. Okay. I don't know. I know you're not locked in to a Jurassic World. I'm really not. And I don't know if I will be. I know you've been preaching the gospel. Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous and Chaos Theory. everybody lock in real cinema actually it's not true

Cam Cretaceous for like the first three seasons it's like really good that season's four and five you're kind of like hey those decisions y'all made are kind of dumb as hell why I was you do that and then you go to chaos theory and you're like man remember that dumb stuff y'all be doing I don't know if I can do it again and then it just like completely cooks

talk about honestly who has the more what's the more biggest display of man's hubris is it the Terminator franchise or is it Jurassic Park Jurassic Park because I could see why you would do Skynet a little bit, you know, AI, helping people. Why are you, dinosaurs been dead, my boy. And why do you keep working on dinosaurs? Why do you keep bringing them back? Thank you, dog.

Hey, but this park's better. Oh, no, this is going to work this time. You know, I mean, you could do like, like I suggested, bring Ian Michael back. You could just do like a, guys, guess what? We're doing it again. Third time to talk. third time's charm, guys. We're gonna, we're gonna do it.

You bring a whole bunch of new scientists. We got some brand new investors. They're fresh off some crypto money, and they're ready to invest in dinosaurs. I mean, you think, bro, bro, animate, animate dinosaurs. Tell me that's not fire. That's pretty great.

Come on. I do like that a lot. A great geet chase. Come on. With velociraptors? Oh, man. Come on. It's gas, brother.

When are we going to get a Jurassic Park thing that's just like, it's more or less a zombie movie where they're just like blasted dinosaurs. Is that too mean? Yeah, you can't blow up a dinosaur like that. You could. Why not? It'd be kind of funny. I'm not going on. We made them. It would be kind of funny if like is.

Yeah. It's kind of more. What? Blamersome philosophers? Yeah. What's the second one called? The second Jurassic World. Oh, the Lost World. Oh, no, no, no. The Jurassic World. Not the, not the Jurassic World. Oh, the second Jurassic World. Oh, God. Not the fallen Kingdom. Falling Kingdom. Falling Kingdom. When And they basically act like Looney Tunes, essentially. Yeah, that was nuts. The dinosaurs act like cartoon characters. And, like, that's kind of silly. But, like, if you, like, invert it or, like, they are cartoons, but they're the most serious, most deadly

versions of themselves. Right. Right. And so if you, like, if you lock eyes with the Velas Raptors over, you know what I'm saying? Like, that T-Rex show up. It's not to help you. It's to hurt you. You know what I mean?

Like, I'd watch that, man. imagine like they're in the like the grass man it's like four or five of them like humans in the grass and then boom one gets picked off boom another one gets picked off boom a third one gets picked off and there's two left you're like yo hey hey where's everybody hey where's everybody hey where's everybody hey man you good and then head just disappears out to grass bro oh come on now that that is that is that's pretty good hoops i'll be there what's your third all right i think that this is going to be a tough one because this franchise is it lends itself to different types of movies but I think

Alien works in anime X. Yeah. Yeah. Alien's great. Especially aliens really. If we talk action yeah. Second to none. I want to see a xenomorph anime. I want to see them. Yo, just on the planet of the xenomorphs. Yeah. It's just them like, you know, doing like just basically

the first three or the Peeples of Star Wars where it's like trade federations talks talking about the budget and taxes and like hey xenomorph taxes have got to be out of this world no wonder they're so mad it's I mean it's crazy you know what I'm saying

why do you think they're always trying to populate other people and take over their bodies bro tax breaks it's it's cheaper to do that it's just cheaper you know damn I never thought about that we really should have just gotten to be like hey listen we we can get you a better deal that's what I'm saying

Have you ever thought of like negotiating with the xenomorph? Not me. I just imagine their like anime style being like very cheeby and cute and they have like a little like blush animation whenever like you compliment them. Zenomorph chievy, that's funny.

That's funny. And then you just get them mad and then it's like the most horrific like berserk type stuff you've ever seen. That'd be good. Yeah, I want alien. Alien for sure. Alien's good for my next one.

He's already. trying to kill himself in real life. So how about we just let him not do that? Mission Impossible. Oh, hell yeah. A Mission Impossible anime. You know what I'm saying? The thing I love about the Mission Impossible movies is that they write themselves into a corner in terms of, like, for example, on the fourth one, the nuke gets launched.

Spoilers for Mission Impossible, by the way. Right. They launch a nuke and you're kind of like, it's cooked, it's over. Yeah. And then he's the nuts like, no. it's not over. And he does his whole thing. And I love that.

I love that about about Bishop Oswald's movies. And so he'll be crazy what you can do without the limits of Tom Cruise's body and him needing to be alive. First of all, Tom Cruise's body is unlimited.

I don't know. Yeah, at some point, at some point it does get out. It's only limited to five feet three inches, but, you know, other than that. But, you know, at some point, it's not going to be all there. So I feel that could be like really, really fun.

Like, I mean, again, it's anime. It's not real. He can literally like, in the movies he's doing like crazy stuff for humans. Sure, yeah. He can actually just be a superhero. This legitimately just be a superhero in an anime version. I would love it. He could like, he's like, in real life, he's holding on the planes.

Imagine what he could do animated, bro. Oh, my gosh. I think that's a very good pick. I think that's a very good. Like spy shows are easily. a very good thing to set for an anatomy adaptation. What does this look like to you?

This doesn't look like Studio Ghibli level stuff, but I think this is more like... No, no, man. This is like Studio Trigger. You know what I'm saying? Mapa. You know what I'm saying?

Let's get the big dogs on this. Yeah, let's get the big dogs on this one. Sure. For sure. Okay. Well, I'll stick with the action spy man aspect of it all. And I'm going to go John Wick.

I want John Wick as an animal. Oh, we could get like, like the violent. Like this is a Terminator Zero. Very violent. Yes. Very violent. You're thinking in that same vein.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, well, no, I kind of want a little bit of, like, the hand-to-hand elegance of, like, a cowboy bebop. I think, I think real Spike's Beagle level shit. Okay. Because a bit more gunplay. Oh, bit more gunplay. Love the gunplay. Mm-hmm.

Give them a team. And frankly, the John Wick world itself, like, actually done right. Like, we don't need to talk about, like, the peacock show or whatever, but, like, I still watch the Continental? I still want the world of the Continental in the anime. I want to explore that world more. You're not excited for the ballerina? Sure.

I got to see it. I got to see it. We got to know. Got to see it. I need to see it. I need to lay eyes on it. It's like the Superman trailer, all right? I just need to know what it's going.

Oh, you got to, you got to know what's coming. Like, I can't trust the set photos. I'm only going to trust what's on the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. That's a good one. Okay, so for my next one,

I'm going to stick to Tom Cruise joint. Okay, I'm going to do. doing top gun. But like mobile suit, like boble suit Gundam. Now hold on. Now hold on now.

Top gun on. It's top gun but Gundam. I think top Gundam. Top Gundam. It's Top Gundam. I think I really just want Tom Cruise in a Gundam. Yeah, you know, that's not how that's going to go. Okay.

So, but again, you've said the words now. Like, do the Jets become robots at some point? Is this the cutting edge? Is this the leading edge of what Top Gunn University has brought us? It's like, yo, we're bringing an exclusive team. There's a mission. We're going to teach you how to do these guns. Brand new, brand new, brand-enemy, nondescript location.

Yeah. Has a brand new, you know. Exactly. And then it's a meck. And we need to train you how to do it. And it's just like they find, they flying. You know what I'm saying? But the thing with like, again,

Tom Cruise can't actually get into a Gundam, right? That's not real. But in the anime, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's basically like you take the school of Top Gun, but instead of planes, they're fighting it is big giant flying robots that fly fast and go through space really quickly. Exactly. And I'm like, I'm there.

And we leave Mani Jacinto in this version. Mani Jacinto is in this version, yes. I promise you that. A Mecca. Very good. Top Gun. We're locked in. I'm there.

Okay. I'm there. All right. I like that a lot. Damn, that's a good one. Okay. I'm going less. This is your last one.

This is my last one. And honestly, I think this might be the weakest one, but I'm doing this for me. Okay. Because I really like it. And I think that, I just want to see this come on screen.

I want Sherlock Holmes anime. Do you, we, what? I know it's, I know. No, no, no, we have death note. I know we have death note. But I want Sherlock Holmes. Because, like, everybody saw the Ben and a Comber

Match one. Like, that's whatever. Like, I'm not trying to go for that. You like the Robert Downey Jr. ones better. Dude, honestly, yeah. Yeah, you're a big fan. I fuck with the Rock Duny Jr. Syrilock Holmes a lot. IP, man, that's right. Those movies are a throwback, man.

Like, I miss some swashbuckling ass. adventure movies. Marvel man. And that's what I want. Hell yeah. Yeah, I want like pistol fights. I want Watson getting busy. I want some detective work.

I want some occult stuff. I want some like underground London devil worship ring that they got a bust up or whatever. You know? Yeah, yeah. I want some fun stuff. I think Sherlock Holmes would crush as an anime. Yeah, I'd be there for that one. I see the vision.

I see the vision. My last one, this is a pick just for me. This is just for Jomi. I'm the only one who wants this anime. National Treasure. Lock me in. Oh, God damn it. Lock me in.

Come on. National Treasure. Ben Gates. Bring him back. Riley, bring him back. Diane Krueger. Bring the Ferrari. Bring it.

Bring them all back. Come on. You know, now there was a show on Disney Plus that nobody was. except for me and three other people. And honestly, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of tough. It's really tough when you decide

to not bring back Nicholas Cage. That might have been the sauce. Okay, okay. We don't have time to like really get into it. Let's just have like a small little tangent. Okay, okay. Top three flaws of the National Treasure TV show go. No, Nicholas Cage is a TV show in the first place.

Yeah. And there's a lot of dip on the chip. Guys, Okay. It's real simple. Is Harvey Guy telling that or no? I don't think so. I couldn't tell you.

Good day, big duck. Justin Barth is in it. Justin Barth was in an episode, you know what I mean? Like, hey, you got something. Nicholas, like, just give me National Treasure 3. That's ultimately what it comes down to. National Treasure 3. I get we want to, like, you know, do a little here thing and this and the Wiss and

which, NABRA. I want National Treasure 3. And while even if I'm not going to get that, it would be like, it would be kind of funny or it would be fun to see, you know, Ben and Riley, like just in a world,

just exploring stuff, going to freaking, you know, oh my gosh, dude, imagine they're out there, bro, in New York going under, there's a thing under Central,

Central Park that was from 1785. That's for the British soldiers. It's got to be, you got a heist, you got to heist something impossibly important. You have to then find a ridiculous clue on said thing. And then you need to go into a ridiculously inaccessible national monument. So what are our three? What's he going to steal?

Okay. Okay, I got it. He's like, it's not, okay. Oh, my gosh, bro. Oh, boom. I got it. He is going to steal. steal John Hancock's pen?

No, no, no, no, no. It's going to steal John Hancock's going to go bigger. We can go bigger. He's going to steal the national money. No, he's going to steal the Washington money. What I'm trying to do is trying to make it like a David Blaine illusion where it's just like, I'm going to steal the statue of liberty and then it's just gone. Because once you go from the Declaration of Independence to the president of the United

States. Yeah, you just, it's got to be America itself. That doesn't really move the needle that much. I'm going to steal the Washington Monument. It's like, yeah. Where are you going to put it? If you just put it on its side, you could hide it in a garage pretty long. Oh, my God.

Here's what they could do. Right. You're right. They do have to go big. Like the Washington Monument, the Statue of Liberty, that seems like maybe that's, maybe it's like a, oh, bruh, bro. It's like a now you see me type beat. Right. Oh, fuck.

Man, that would have been another good anime. That would have been. Oh, bro. Shit. That's good. That's a good cut. Anime magicians. Oh, are you kidding me?

Fuck. All right. Well, Pod's over now. Anime magicians. Just like a group of like four or five swindlers just going from like across and they're getting chased by a cop. Oh my gosh, bro. Oh, my goodness. But it turns out the cop was in on it the whole time.

Oh, man. Bro, we're wasting so much tape, dog. You know, between National Treasure. between the now you see me between the Spider-Man harem anime studios you have my number hit my line

I'm out on that one out on that one out on the heron bro come on now yeah no frankly we've got we've got we've got like stacks of gold on these other ones so don't worry

I'm telling you bro I'm telling you bro I'm telling you bro watch watch there's going to be the scene where it's Spider-Man and Betty Brandt they're locked in in

the sports closet god damn it and they're like but no No, like, but I'm supposed to be out of date with Flash. That's, you know what I'm saying? Right? And like, she's, you know, and Spider-Man is just like, yo, look, I'm, I'm chilling.

You know what I'm saying? And then sticky hands, oh. And she's like, I never liked you. I never liked you to begin with. You know what I'm saying? But she can see in her eyes. That's not true. Yeah.

You know, she knows she's lying. And then it's that anime big eyes where the, like, the eyes balls quiver for some reason that really makes me uneasy. It's that, like, she's saying it, but she's so flushed. Like, she's got those little red, lines in her? You're like, ah, you're alive. No. Not yet. You don't believe a word you're saying. Right. I'm there for it. Studios, hit my

line. I'm there. Let's go. All right. Well, we did it. We did it, Jomey. We have another great section of amazing free ideas for amazing studios to take from us. That's going to do it for us on Mint Edition. Thank you so much for listening to us. Don't forget

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