The Ringer-Verse - The 2025 Confidence Pool (Movies Edition) | Mint Edition

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Jomi and Steve are ready to kick off Mint Edition’s new year with a look ahead at the long list of movies in 2025! Joined by Daniel Chin, the guys are deciding just how confident they are about movies like ‘Thunderbolts,’ ‘Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning,’ ‘A Minecraft Movie,’ and much more. And stay tuned for tomorrow’s television confidence pool episode. Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Guest: Daniel Chin Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Jimmy Dinner on. And guess what? We have, if you're looking at this right now, a massive pod for you guys. Huge from Intedition. This one snuck up on us, guys. We have our 2025 confidence meter talking about all the latest TV shows and movies that are coming out in 2025 that we're so very excited for. So we're going to be ranking the top and the top. the bottom from a scale of one to ten of the things that we're confident that we're going to be

entertained by. But we went on for so long. So long. That we split this pod up into the movies and TVs of 2025. Look, there's a lot coming out. Yeah, there's a lot. So we're going to be giving you the first half of this pod. It's going to be the movies of 2025.

Yep. With the great Daniel Chin that's going to be joining us for this entire pod. So right now we're going to give you that great conversation that we had with D.C. and all the great movies that we're looking forward to in 2025. But first, some programming reminders. You just listened to, hopefully, the great reaction that came from Ben Lindbergh and Matt James about the Switch to and all the things that we could look forward to for that.

Hopefully it's Yoshi's Burger joint in the new Mario Kart. Oh, please. Yoshi's Burgers, what do you think Yoshi's Burgers we're working with right now? I mean, I don't... You know, it's a Smash Burger? I think, no, it's a fat burger. It's like an Angus Dick Burger. Yeah.

cheese, special sauce. It's probably like jalapeno set of pickles. When it comes out of the dispensure, it does it go, ta-dam? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe.

It's possible. It can be fun. Also, coming next week, we have the 2025 height meter from House of R, as well as the way too late, yet hotly anticipated wicked reaction pods from the Midnight Boys.

We're looking forward to that. Jomi, where can that be found? That can be found all on the the Ring ofverse feeds on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or now at Ring ofverse. Lock in. No word on whether or not we're joining Red Note,

but we'll see. I will not be there. You will not be there. I will not be there. Dualingo is going to be working overtime for me. Nah, y'all got it, man. It's going to be working overtime for a lot of us. Yeah.

But without further ado, let's begin and talk to Daniel Chin about our 2025 confidence meter movie edition. Happy 2025, Jomey. It's up. It's a new year. Same us. No, I'm actually going to be worse this year, unfortunately.

There's no new me. There's no new year, new me. It's just me. And I'm not going to be better. I'm actively going to be the worst version of myself. That's great. I'm glad. I'm happy for us all that we get this, that there could be lower, that there can be worse.

Yes. To know that we can go down further depths. Just right into my lizard brain. You know, no thoughts. No vibes. Mm-hmm. Just evil. Just evil.

Just evil. Just evil. Just evil. Just evil. That's it. Yo, Daniel, you play Marvel rivals? By the way, Daniel Chin, the ringers, Daniel Chin is here. No, we need to do.

Welcome to the show. D.C. Are you in on Marvel rivals, my boy? I am in a Marvel rivals. Okay. What's you mean? Nobody does support. So I've been doing a message now.

Team player. Somebody's got to do it, you know? Somebody's got to do it. That's right. And guess what? Nobody's appreciating you. No. Exactly.

It's always my fault if we lose. Again, I'm the real heroes. I'm part of the problem. Insta lock, moon night, let's go. Exactly. You are the problem. You really were going to be worse. I'm going to be worse.

Jomi, I'm not healing you when we're playing, bro. Exactly. Frankly, he said leave them to Comchu and I'm like, yeah, leave Conchue to your heels, too. Leave them to Conschu and then nobody's in the circle. And then I left. Nobody's in the circle. Just, it's, hey, man, you got to use that all. You know what I'm saying?

Might as well. You can't take them with you. You know what I mean? But let's get to today's show, the confidence pool of 2025. We took this time, around this time last year, we gathered to talk about the things that we were most excited for,

looking forward to in the year of our Lord 2024, talked about a few things, and I figured that we'd go back and take a look at the things that we thought we were going to be most excited for in the new year and see how those predictions might have panned out to see what might be.

be coming to us in this new year. So just to kick things off, we were all very excited about a little film called Argyle. And that turned out to be not so great. So from a scale to like one to ten of excitement or confidence that we have, I rated Argyll in eight. Jomi rated it at 12 and DC rated that at three. I think, yeah, I was going to say,

not all of us were excited. Daniel Stradamus, how do you feel, do you feel very much, vindicated now that you're right that Argyle was trashed. I mean, a little bit, but honestly, I still haven't seen it. So, what? Oh, man. Real king.

You know what I mean. I'm good, you know? That's so funny. Yo, you and Charles. Y'all locked in, bro. Yeah. Y'all locked in for real. You really do.

That's twin. I was like, I'm good. Here's the thing, right? And I know people are looking, you be like, yo, Joe, Jumme at 12 out of 10 for Argyll. That's crazy. And I have a question. question for you was Duolipa in the movie yes or no.

Yes or no, fellas. What's she in the movie? Yes, she was. I could tell from the trail. Yes, but I haven't seen it, man. Academy, are you listening? Academy, are you listening? Thank you, guys.

We got it. Hey, look at God. We can move past it. We can move past. All right, that's fine. And frankly, I think one of the biggest surprises that came out last year, I think we could probably all agree. We rated this as six across the board.

The Amazon show, Fallout, the adaptation of the video game series. I think this might have been the biggest surprise of last year about how good it was to talk about it week to week. Daniel, what did you think about this? No, I totally agree. I did not remember putting that so low, but I didn't think it was going to be that good. And I was really pleasantly surprised.

And I'm really looking forward to the second of season of it. They did a great job with that first one. Yeah, I never played the game. So it wasn't like some of that's ever been on my radar. But I saw the hype, so I started tuning in it. It was like a really good show and we had a good time watching it. Not a show to eat when you're not a show to watch when you're eating. I wouldn't do that personally. There was many a time where I'm like, ah, I'm just going to let this swing stop

chill out a little bit. A little grossy stuff. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Let's get to the, you know, the regular stuff. But no, it was a really good show and I'm glad that I tuned in eventually because it was off the charts. Yeah, I like that show so much that I like started replaying Fallout 4 after that.

See? Yeah. I'm not that woke. I'm not that woke. I'm enjoying the show. And I'm like, I want to get in a fallout? Then I text one of my homies,

Eric Bardo shout out. He's like, nah, man, to say what you want. I mean, have you seen the gameplay? No. It doesn't seem like it's for you.

All right. He's like, don't let it trick you, man. It's just watching the show. It's good show. Well, we rated one thing that actually didn't come out this year

and we'll hopefully be coming out this year. ballerina from the world of John Wick we ranked that at a six we didn't quite know how that was going to be we still don't turns out because it was still delayed for about a year

uh Joker 2 I had this at a 7 I was I was so foolishly confident that this could have been a thing Jomi rated this at negative 400 million billion and I was right

and you were right vindication it really was It really was, what a time for us to know before we had to see Joker 2. DC, did you see Joker 2? Oh, yeah, yeah, I did. Wow, you saw that and not Argyle.

That's a real. I had to write about it. Steve, I had a right about it for work. So I was doing my job, you know, and I wish I didn't have to read it. Tough, tough. And once again, we were all right about Arcane. And that was a little snippet from the year,

2024, but let's get into the things that we were very excited for or that we're going to be having some thoughts on for 2025, because it's going to be a big year for content. I was compiling the list of things that we had to talk about here. This might have been one of the longest lists that I've seen for stuff that's new and noteworthy. That's a lot happening in 2025.

Daniel, just to start off, do you think this is going to be an overall good year for content or bad? Good how. You think these movies are being successful? I mean, like it's going to be a plus year or a minus year. I don't know. Even just looking at the list, there are a lot of these that I just have no interest in seeing, to be honest. Like, there's a lot of, like, these, like, animated movies that are, they're bringing

to live action, a lot of sequels that I'm not super interested in seeing. But there are a few of these where I'm, like, really, really excited to see and I've been waiting for them to come out for a while now. So it's, I don't know. It's going to be a mixed bag as it always is. Jomey? I, as usual, you know, I'm optimistic about these things. I want to like stuff.

I don't want to be, I, listen, I do have ater energy. about me. In my deepest soul, I am a hater. But in front of Charles, you have a lot to learn. Right. You know what I mean? But there are, so there are some stuff on the system where I'm like, you know, God forbid that these things are actually coming out. It's an insult to, you know, all of us everywhere. But at the same time, there are some stuff on the system. I'm like, yo, hopefully this does work out. In terms of 2025 being a good year for content, I always hope it's a good year for content because if we just watch garbage all year,

you know what I mean? That doesn't help anybody. So ultimately, I hope some of this stuff is good. There are, again, like DC said, there's a bunch of stuff on this list that's just like, what are we doing here? Like, come on, let's be for real. But he wants stuff to be good. So hopefully, you know, this is a good year for content.

I think it really is like a big turning point too for like Marvel and DC especially. Like this is an important year to get things right. It is a very important year. Oh, absolutely. 110%. And it was like in the room of surprises of things that like we don't know what could be coming but might actually be something worthwhile. I'm very much looking forward to that. And that's where we end up being the most wrong, which is honestly the most fun.

All right. So let's start off in the year of our Lord 2025 with Captain America 4. Captain America, Brave New World, Marvel's next outing. It's been a minute since we saw a Marvel movie, guys. And we're back. It's Sam Wilson. He's Captain America fighting a big red Harrison Ford. He's a big Hulk man. Daniel Chin, let's start with you. You have the honors. How confident are you that this could be something good? I'm excited for it, but I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily confident.

So I'm going to be kind of in the mid-range here, like a six. I didn't love Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I will say, I think it would have been a little bit lower, but I really liked the trailer for it. I was actually very impressed when that first trailer came out. I don't know how you guys felt about it. Again, I didn't quite know how to feel when I, I kind of still don't, actually, because this really seems to be, like, a thing that Marvel wants to get done and is kind of hedging its bets to make the Captain America IP work more.

Like, it's like a subcharacter IP within the Marvel universe. Like, Captain America is one of their biggest mainstay things. and then the star power of Anthony Mackey and every other new kind of crop of Avengers that have come out since then. This has kind of been the next banner character and big flagship hero that they have that is kind of going to be the one that rebuilt,

like it's part of the plot of the movie, rebuilding the Avengers. I really feel like this could go either way, and I think I'm out of six as well. I like to think that this is going to be at least entertaining, But I truly don't know what's in store for this because we've heard mixed, if not bad things from test screenings to nothing. So here's the thing, right?

I miss the old days. I do. I really do because we know too much about all this stuff that's going on. Yeah. We know way too much. Because back in the day, you would just watch the trailers and you go to the movie and you would make your decision based on that. Right. But now we go into the movie knowing too much

Not only about who might show up Or who was seen on set or whatever But just the behind the scenes of the whole thing Right Because if all I knew If all I knew was just the trailers I'd be like this gonna be the greatest movie all the time The trailers are so good

But everything behind the scenes is like It's thought it's half a movie Nine months of reshoots this and that Which and which and it's just like It's a lot I have to agree with the six just because I know all that stuff. And so there's a chance that it could be great.

But with all the nonsense, the test screenings, like all the reshoots, all that stuff is just like, ah, you know, you got to, like you said, DC, you got a hedge a little bit. If it was for that, I'd be like, oh, this is a nine. You see the, bro, the traders have been so gas for this, you know what I mean? So I would love to be higher on it,

but I think a six is probably where I got a sland on it. Yeah, it's tough. It's a tough way to start it. But again, I'm hopeful. I hope that it can be turned around. And it's honestly been a minute since I'm like, I'm kind of looking forward to like kicking off a year of Marvel things. Because we have a lot coming down.

We'll talk about the rest of them in the minute. But like once, I hate to think that like once we get this over with, we're kind of in like a very, very exciting time for Marl. Marvel, but I feel like we should look at this with a Microsoft and see, like, all right, what are the final lessons that Marvel could learn from this before they really got to start impressing us? Yeah. Like, I think this is the last, like, strike I might allow from them before they really start.

You're going to put them on a PIP after this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, they're on a PIP right after Captain America, if that's a stinker. All right. Let's move right on to another national hero, but from the UK. Paddington 3, Paddington, and Peru. Yeah.

Now, I don't think anybody here at this podcasting table is Paddington Pilled, but I do know many people, and many people are Paddington Pilled. Yeah. I've seen Paddington 1 and 2. They're very great movies, wonderful movies.

Some would say the greatest of all time. And I might stop short with some of those folks, but I enjoy, all of those. This is probably going to be the next like early or like late winter, early spring blockbuster that's really going to be getting a lot of people

excited, not just children, but you know, kind of the ironic letterbox hipsters that are going to be watching this with a genuine interest. I'm confident that this is going to be good. I'm going to put this at a seven only because

a one Paul King who stepped away to direct Wonka is not directing this one. So new person at the helm might not exactly have the juice, the marmalade juice, but we'll see. Daniel Chin. It's tricky for me because

I'm definitely not Paddington-Pilled like you mentioned. I haven't seen the first two. I really only exclusively know of Paddington from like a Twitter account that photoshopped Pattington. Oh yeah, Photoshop. I love that account.

So like I'm all four, like having some new variety of images, I guess, after this movie comes out. But I am confident that it's going to do well because it has such a strong following. And like, that's really what, like, I'd score an eight for that reason just because, like, people seem to love the first two. For sure. Granted, I don't, that comes with a caveat that I have no idea how they actually are. But I'm sure from the standpoint, if it's going to be successful, like, I'm pretty confident.

That's the case. No, man, I'm with an eight as well. I think Paddington has got roots all over and people are locked in. I mean, I think I liked Paddington more than Steve has. But at the same time, like, it's not like the thing for me. I'm not like, man, Paddington 3 coming out. I got to get my Paddington merch on me, Femmy. But I am excited to see the Marmalade Magistrate locked in, man.

That's one hell of a bear. Love that guy. You know what I mean? So I'm going to give it an eight. Eight. All right. You love to see it. Love to see it. All right. So this is the one that I'm going to kick you off with, DC. The much-hyped Robert Pattinson vehicle, Mickey 17. Talk to us about it.

I think this is probably my most anticipated movie of the year, just because I love this director. I love Bong Joon Ho. And I'm really curious to see the matchup with him and Robert Pattinson. I love the trailer for it. Robert Pattinson is doing. doing all these funny voices. You know, he did the voice acting for the English dub of the Boy in the Haren, and he was incredible in that.

I really love just the sci-fi concept of where, you know, this character is just dying over and over again. It's got Stephen Young in it. Like, there are so many reasons why I'm very excited for this movie.

It's been pushed back a bunch of times at this point, but I am absolutely hyped for it. I, uh, we're talking about it again and it's like behind the scene stuff this movie's been pushed from date to date uh it was supposed to come out

in January then it got moved to March and like it was supposed to come out last like you know what I mean like there's just a bunch of date stuff I don't know exactly what that means for it so I'm gonna I gotta give it a 7 although DC you're absolutely correct

Bong Joon Ho uh our guy Robert Pattinson, Stephen Young, Mark Ruffalo. These are people that we know can perform on the big stage. They have what it takes. And so I want to see it. I mean, I'm super excited, but just knowing a little bit of stuff like, this movie should have been out.

We should have been seen it. Why haven't we yet? It's just a little like, ah, we might have to let me curtail my expectations just a little bit because there's a reason why it was moved from its date all those times. And I think you're absolutely right. that Bong Joo, like, never makes an uninteresting movie. And I think that he doesn't exactly have, like, colossal misses. I just have more, like, this is a game of favorites for me.

And a lot of my favorites of his, of some of that I think are actually, like, perfect movies, are ones that he made, like, over a decade ago. And I think with another English, primarily English film that he makes, Not to say that most of that those creative juices are going to be lost in translation, but I'm just more curious to see how that's going to be working with like the likes of Robert Pattinson

because Snowpiercer obviously was like a huge hit and really got a lot of people excited for what this director could do with English actors and Hollywood actors, but I'm really, really excited to see what he can do if this is a hit, if he's more pulling, back to Hollywood or if he goes back to

Korea and goes for a bit more of Korean dramas and thrillers. So it's going to be interesting. I'm still like, it's not that I'm so much skeptical. I'm just unsure. I'll put this at a seven though. Like he's a rock solid director. Like an absolute like genius

when it comes to a few movies. Yeah. No, I think that's a great point because I think his weakest movies, to your point, I think are Snowpiercer and Elkja. Yeah. which is like... There's still like solid movies.

There's solid movies. And like to some directors, that would have been their best movie. But like to him, like a fine movie certainly is a bit of a step back. And moving on from a slight step back to what I think is going to be a major step back. The Electric State directed by the Russo brothers. And it's about... Hey, bro, don't even... Anamatronic.

Stop, stop, stop. All right. It's a one. Yeah, this is a one. It's a one. I had to Google what this was, honestly. I didn't... Oh, you haven't heard rumblings about this?

No, I watched the trailer for it after I saw it on the list. This is what I think we've devolved to. It's when Netflix makes movies that... Netflix makes movies that you see in other movies, people watching movies. Does that make sense? When you're like, oh, man, this stupid movie, and then it's the electric state. Have you guys seen what Chris Pratt looks like in this movie? Ridiculous.

Oh, my God, man. he's got like the mustache, you know, like the trucker mustache. And like not a mullet, that's not right. But just like this long wavy hand, it looks like, brother man, you don't have to do this. You're Star Lord. You know what I mean? You were the dude in Jurassic World. I'm also begging Chris Pratt to get new headshots because whenever they, at that Nintendo

direct when they announced him as Mario, like that headshot of him is just, it's just been meme to death and I need to stop seeing that on that on Google images. I really do. Bro, look at this. The cast is crazy. Kiway Kwan, Millie Bobby Brown, Chris Pratt, Stanley Tucci, John Carlo Esposito, Jason Alexander,

Woody Harrelson, Brian Cox, Anthony Mackie, Jenny Slate, Billy Bob Thornton, Coleman Domingo. Here's the thing. All of them are cashing in checks to get for voice acting, and then the main three that are actually on screen are actually Millie Bobby Brown, Chris Pratt, and Keyer Kewa Kwan. Alan Tudik and

freaking Rob Gunkowski, bro. They got Gronk in this movie, man. They even got Crook. It's too much. Oh, my, listen, y'all got it, man. That's for y'all, bro. I mean, like, look, a check is a check. Yeah.

Is Grong a guardian cap robot? No. Bro. Grunk is first team all crash test, don't he? He does not, bro. If Fruck a guardian cap, he would not wear a helmet. He would just go out there, no pads. No, hell miss, just vibes, bro.

Get on online right now. You know, here's the thing. You got to, look, we know that actors don't make as much money as we think they made, right? You got to keep taking jobs. Everybody's like, yo, watch Chris Evans and all these bad movies for a check.

You know what I'm saying? You don't know where the next one's coming from. You want to know a great quote from the great Ian McShane. A talk show host asked him, what's your motivation in this new John Wick movie? like, what's my motivation? The same as in every job. My motivation is the check. The check. So I'm not going to, I will not shame these people for being in this movie. I might shame Chris Pratt. Everybody else I understand. You got bills to pay. I get it. But man, am I so uninterested

in anything that has to do with all of this. I don't. I don't. The cop. Here's the thing. Confidence fool? Sure. Like, no, give it a little one. Yeah, I'm just not interested. It could be. great. It probably won't be, but I just, I don't care. I want to see what the Russo Brothers is batting averages post end game. And I'm pretty sure it's terrible. Hey man.

There are there are gray man truthers among us. They're not in this room. There's one. There's one. What? There's one. For real? Brother man. You like the gray man. Did I say it was good? I'm saying, did you like it?

Yeah. Of course I liked it. It's the It's spy slop. Brother, I'm going to watch the night agent when that come out. I'm going to watch the recruit when it come out. I ain't never said it was cinema. That's your genre of slop. You'll take spy slop. I love me.

I love me some little like backstabbing, man. You got to like infiltrate this. Oh, man, I love it. I love it. I watch me some slop. All right, DC hit us with this before. So we can move on. It's going to be like a two for me, I would say,

just in the sense that people are going to watch it. I'm sure it's going to be streamed a lot. I will say I'm excited to see, I feel like it's going to be a good opportunity for Joanna Robinson to do wig watch for Chris Pack. Listen, if she also has a ridiculous wig in it too.

Let me tell you guys, I bet $200, Joanna not watching this. I mean, that's an easy bet. She can just get all the screen shots of the wigs, yeah. She's not watching it. Man, it's really, really tough. All right. Speaking of really, really tough, let's move on.

This is really for Jomey to talk his shit and then we can move on. Snow White, live action. The answer is a zero. This is a zero. I got no confidence in this. So, I mean, I think we talked about this, but me and Steve were at D23, and they showed up, and they showed the clip for it, and it was on a big screen.

Daniel, it was on a enormous screen. With a stadium full of people. In the Honda Center, my guy. With Disney's biggest fans. And it was like, we looked around and it was like, had no motion. Daniel, they clapped for Bob Eiger. Bob Eager came up.

They was like, who was more? What got a bigger pop? Snow White or Rock the Dwayne Johnson's Monster Truck Project? It was definitely, oh, actually. That was tough. And they had pyrotechnics in that one. It was bad news, yeah, this is zero for me.

It looked terrible. They did. They've released some. more footage and it only looks worse. So, like, I don't know how, I have no confidence. My main thing is, like, I still am confounded by the fact that all of these live, quote-unquote, live-action remakes of Disney movies that nobody asked for keep getting made. And they seem to be just barely, like, making, making their money's worth and critically

will always be panned. and I have no confidence in it but I certainly just have no like genuine understanding as to why why it keeps happening because discourse around

not only just its stars but like the reasoning behind the seven dwarves being like different like thinking that they were going one way with it and then they're making them like Robert Zemeckas CGI monstrosities it like none of these things

sound like good calls. No. And, like, I have, I have no real understanding as to why we keep trying this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a one for me. No, no, no, no, no. Steve, Steve, Steve.

The motivation, Steve. Motivation. Brother, Mufasa crossed half a billion dollars at the box office. All right, all right. That's why they keep doing this. That's exactly why they keep doing this, because people were going to keep seeing it. That's what it is. I don't know what to tell you.

Lion King came out. I went to see it because I was like, I would like to see what it looked like. Because I, too, have always wanted a brother. I mean, I wasn't there from Bufasa. You already know where I'm at. It's Sonic 3 and this gang, you feel me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The real king.

You see? But, yeah, the bread is there. That's what they're here for. They're going to keep making it until people stop watching it. And people won't start watching it. So it's tough. D.C., where you at? Yeah, I mean, I'm as low as you can go for this, too.

I'm out of one. Like, the CGI doors look terrifying. Some, some uncanny valley shit. Like, I don't know. I will not be seated for this movie.

Do we can't. Great. Coming to a theater near you. And that is a threat. That's it for me. That's a threat. All right. Man,

bangor after bangor here. We're in a tough. We're in a tough part of the list. Right. Tough, tough. This is not a good hit. Tough stint for late spring. Let me tell you.

Because coming up next. after that is a Mr. Jack Black in a one Minecraft movie. I am Steve. I yearn for the minds. All right. Here's where I might

zag, genuinely. I'm going to put this at a five because I'm open for this to be surprising to me and being somewhat entertaining. What I am exceedingly confident in is that this will make a lot of money. Yeah. I think that's free. Yeah.

And I think that, like, knowing that that IP is that lucrative, because Minecraft has literally known the world over, I think that the people behind it could actually have, like, a little bit of juice to make that entertaining. Again, I don't have the, you know what, I'm bumping that straight down to a four. But again, that's higher. It's higher than I would have wanted it to be. I don't think, like, Jason Momoa in the pink,

that's that other thing that, like, drives me crazy. Like, I don't think Jason Mamoa goes into wardrobe anymore. I think he just shows up to set with the shit he's got on that day, and then he's just in the movie. Because it's just nothing but leather jackets and that same haircut that he always does. It's in the writer. It's in the writer. It's in the contract. Yeah, it's in the contract, buddy.

Like, yo, I got a, what I need to wear is what I got on. That's it. I don't show up to wardrobe. All of my jewelry. Exactly. Big advocate of male jewelry. I understand. So I think I'm probably, I think, I think,

I think of three is probably where I'm at. But, because, and maybe it's just off the Bufo's conversation, but I'm scared of this movie, like, regardless of how good it is, just makes a load of money.

And now we're just getting Minecraft's live action movies. What if, now until death? What if, Daniel Chin, you're familiar with the big movie bet that the big picture, one of our sister podcast puts on,

of like, what's going to be the biggest movie of the year? And they put out that they think, The four picks that they have are Superman legacy, Fantastic Four. And then I've forgiven me, but two others. But Minecraft was not on here. Do you think Minecraft could make some of the biggest box office numbers this year? I mean, just to play devil's advocate, too,

I feel like this also has the potential to, like, also piss off, like, the diehard fans, too, if they don't get it right. You know, like, there's always the potential of that. And I feel like, you know, there's been a recent run of, like, success when it comes to video game adaptation. but historically there's been a lot of flop. I feel like this is a hard line four kids movie first, and if it just so happens to entertain adults, then fine. But regardless, that's going to make money.

I don't know if it's going to do Super Mario Brothers numbers. I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right, but... Okay, but interesting. You just never know, you know. You never know. It could catch like, you know, just a wind. And now it's, you know,

oh, Minecraft made a billion dollars to the box office. we've got eight sequels coming. It's like, all right, bro. Chill. Like, they might have been better off just going full animation rather than, like, doing the both, you know? Give Daniel a lifetime contract

of Paramount Studios, man. What if, it would have made a lot more money, I think, if it didn't just purely animation. Frankly, they could just make the movie in Minecraft. Dude, you know, you feel like, that would have made a lot more. It would have made all the sense of it.

Like, I don't understand, like, the live action why that had to be a thing. thing where they're like, we're going to like re-invent. You don't got to reinvent the will, brother, it's Minecraft. Animate it or even do machinima and put it in Minecraft. Like, we would have had a blast. It would have been fun. Imagine you in the theater and Brian Cox is talking from Pigman.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Here's the thing. If you make less than the annual salary of the most popular Minecraft YouTuber, then that's a flop. That's a flop, brother. I don't think there's a way this movie flop. I think, Mike, like you said, Minecraft is way to embed it in Zola culture.

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sinners starring Michael B. Jordan. We got a trailer for this like a month or so ago. This looks exciting. this is like another team up once again with Ryan Cougler and Michael B. Jordan. Set in the Deep South, in the 20s, hunting vampires and spooky demon stuff. I'm very, very curious as to not only just how good this movie can be, but with how quickly it was made,

literally sandwiched in between Black Panther 2 and shot over the course of like a month and then finished which for a director of that caliber like say what you want about if you even like Ryan Kugler's movies he's a big director right now he's one of the hottest directors out there

and if he can just cram out a movie out of production and like shooting and then it makes it and then that it's good like this could be a miracle of a movie maybe am I confident that it's going to be good I think this could be pretty great.

I genuinely kind of wanted him to step away from IP now that he's gotten his accolides with Black Panther and has had all of the pressures that the Marvel machine has put under him, what he does with his own time and his own creative projects outside of that machine, I'm actually genuinely excited for. So I'm going to put that in an eight.

I think Sinners is going to be probably one of the better things that I've seen out of him. I think it is fair. I think an 8% I was gonna go with the same. You know, having Michael B. Jordan play dual roles and,

you know, seeing how that looks. I think I'm very interested. To your point, they did make this movie quite fast, so I'm interested to see, like, what the production value is on it.

Yeah. Like the trailers, everything we've seen has just been something I'm like, ooh, this is pretty interesting. I want to see how this goes. So yeah,

I think an 8. I really think this is going to be good, but, you know, who knows? I think, when you make a movie that fast,

you know like literally like it got announced that there was a script and then like six a skater's like bad cool man movies coming out uh next year we're like whoa what that was it's done post production already like what the hell but you know you trust coogler especially with michael jordan they've had a longstanding working relationship they've made some really good movies together you know fruitville station you know comes to mind you know aside from like black panther and creed and all those stuff. So I just, I really think this is going to be good. I'm really hoping it's good because then they're going to be like, actually, you see what

I, may I said this on the Midnight Boys, but, they're like, yo, is that a good vampire movie? Hey, Ryan, come make Blay, man. Come make Blay, brother. Come, come make Blay, man. Oh, what's going to happen so fast. Come make Blame, man. I guarantee you if this is even remotely good. They're like, Ryan Coon needs to be directed.

I don't want them to make a movie. I legitimately was like, imagine he was, right? Yeah, yeah, Blay movie looked kind of far if y'all need somebody. As if they haven't already. already had that conversation and it probably already hasn't turned it down. And it was like,

nah, bro, like, you know what I'm saying? We want to, like we want to keep you on a Black Panther track. He said, say less,

boom, I'm going to go make my own vampire movie. Right. And y'all are looking me crazy. Because again, they did it in like,

like, no more than like eight weeks the movie was announced and then shot and then done. And then he'd be like, actually, they just kind of gas, my boy, just come down.

You and my Herschel to work it out. You feel me? Hey, look, anything's possible. But I'm really excited there. I'm extremely excited for movies. Definitely one of the movies I'm really looking forward to this year.

And the only reason why I'd hedge it down to an aid is just because the concept is a little bit out there in the sense that this isn't in that comfortable space. We don't know exactly what it's going to be. But I think it's going to be a really fun, fantastic movie I'm looking forward to. Awesome. All right. This is one of the big ones.

I don't know if the gas for this movie has like been insane levels, but it's been captivated. to see how excited. Not only I was just to see the idea of this, but to know that this has been testing well,

that people are really excited for it. Golden Globe winner Sebastian Stan is fucking psyched to be in this. I don't know. I don't remember the last time Sebastian Stan was like jazzed to be in something as much as Thunderbolts. And I really think this is going to be great. I want to put this at an eight because I desperately want this to be good. because when the weird projects,

like I want this to be like a shot in the arm, Guardians of the Galaxy level, like, oh, we want the weird characters that weren't even that memorable in all of these other movies. And if that can be good, then I think that that's some genuine steam in the tank for Marvel.

Would you agree, Daniel? I'm honestly, I'm a little bit lower on this because I feel like this movie's been been like in the process of production for so long and there's been so many different people attached to it like at some point uh leesung jin who was uh the creator of beef was attached to it and i was really excited for it then like stephen yun was going to be sentry i was very excited for it and then when he was off the cast it definitely dropped a little bit in my mind um i i feel like about the same of it as as the captain america movie where i feel like

it could go either way so i'm at i'm at a six i'm looking forward to it but i got I'm just, like, not that excited by, I guess, like, the team. Like, I'm hopeful that it's good. Ghost don't move you? Black Widow, you lay in a blow over, don't move you? You know what I'm saying? John Russell don't move you? John Walker?

Not really. John Russell Walker Wyatt? John Russell, Walker, Texas Ranger Wyatt, man. John Walker don't move you? Leave it in. That stays in. Yeah. Well, we'll see how it goes.

It's another one of these upcoming Marvel movies where I feel like it really, really could go either way. That's really interesting, Daniel, because everybody else is on the Steve to. Everybody's like, oh, Thunderbolts is where it's said. That's the guest. I like the trailer. The trailer brought me back up a little bit, but for a while, I think it was just like a few of those, the news came out about, like, casting. I get here. I catched here where I was not as excited.

Ah, but Stephen Youe was attached to this one. I was hyped. And then he was. Him as Century. Him as Century would be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Even you'd as anything would be great.

Yeah. Then they got, they literally got Bob from a, from Top Gunn Everett. Yeah. Hey, shout out to Bob. Shout out to Bob. Shout out to Bob.

It's not a knock on the game. You know what I mean? I'm going to be with Steve. I'm an eight. I think there is some gas behind it and it'd be really cool to see a good Marvel movie again. It's been a second, it's been a hot second.

But a lot of the conversation, again, just like, yo, this is it. You know, David Harbor doing his thing, Florence Pugh, Sebastian Shand, Golden Globe winners, Sebastian Shand, locked in. He's like, again, been like, yo, Thunderbolts, man, y'all, y'all not, y'all not seeing the division now.

You know, so I'm at eight. I really hope this is going to be good, and I'm really excited to be there for this. All right. This is where Jomey and I get to fight again. Mission, colon, impossible, colon, the final reckoning. First of all.

The final Mission Impossible is coming out. Don't hate. I already know you're going to hate. Don't hate on this. I'm not going to hate on this. Is it really the final one? Is it the final one? I hope so.

Is it the final reckoning? I don't want it to be, but. Do you want, you don't want Tom Cruise to sacrifice his mind, body, and soul for our entertainment once again? They got to go to space. He got to go to space for real one time.

Why does that, why is that always the answer? Why is it always the answer? It was for Fast and Furious. It's going to be for Jurassic World now. It's going to be for this. Go to space. At a certain point, there's nowhere else to go. Exactly.

Steve, literally, you see in this trailer they go into the bottom of the ocean. I get that. And then he does the plane thing. Come on now. The plane thing was thrilling. That's sure. Could you imagine? Guys, guys, you guys, close your eyes and envision this world with me.

There's a space shuttle and is flying the outreaches of our atmosphere. and strapped on top of it is Tom Cruise in space trying to get it to the space shuttle and then he's like open the door no all right so

here's my piece I did not like dead reckoning you have no you have no skills I did not I did not like dead reckoning at all no ball knowledge I think I think like

listen I have I have a very high tolerance for stupid. But this has been elevated levels of spy slop. And I think you would agree for the most part. And I think this is one of the lesser Mission Impossibles. You probably like Mission Impossible too, though. Dead Reckoning was not in the upper echelon of good Mission Impossible. Nobody said it was.

And I didn't even like it. But the bar has been, see, that's how I know you don't know ball, because the bar has been raised, okay? Rogue Nation and Mission of Possible Six. Fallout. Fallout, yes. Special.

Special films. I'm a Ghost Protocol head, but I don't know if you know. Ghost Protocol, but that's what I'm saying. Ghost Protocol is in that same. So it's like... I put it up there in the top. You have the top two.

You have Fallout and Rogue Nation. Like those are the best Mission Boss movies that they've ever made, right? Then you have that like, Mission Impossible 3 is in there. Mission Boss 2 is obviously. the worst. Obviously the worst.

Sure. Sure. Then you have the like nebulous where like on a certain day, if I watch Mitchell Vossel 3, I'm like, this is cool. I mess with it, Phyllis Xer Hoffman doing his thing. Yeah. Bishapal 4. I enjoy a lot. Mission Apostle 7's in that same range. But it gets to it, but it gets to the point where like if you contrast the first one with the movies that come in prior, it's almost like a Fast and the Furious question where it's like the first Fast and the Furious is a different movie than Fast 5.

It's just a straight up different movie. Well, yeah, because they're... And from what these movies have become versus where they started, I can work with that grading scale. To me, Dead Reckoning, and from what it seems to be like, the final reckoning seems to be,

is capture everything that came from Fallout after. And Fallout was the best of those rides to me. I'm not 100% confident that I'll like it. I am 100% confident that people will like it because everybody seemed to like Dead Reckoning. Yep. And I don't understand it. Yeah, because you don't know what.

So I'm going to put this at an eight because it's going to make Gangbusters money. Tom Cruise will save Hollywood once again. He is going to do some crazy stunt, which I kind of thought the stunts and Dead Reckoning were kind of whack, too. And I, like, it's just, it's not there for me. That being said, I'm confident that this one is going to be pretty good. I'm going to say that this is. probably my most anticipated film of the year. Wow.

Yeah. Like, there is some, there are some stuff that I'm excited to see. But guys, you ever been, you guys, you guys, you had been in movies, you know, this year and the last year. And you see that Mission Impossible trailer and your heart just skip a beat, man. You're like, yo, this really it, man. This really, this means something. Jomey, I didn't know you felt this way about this franchise. Dog, I love Mission Impossible, brother.

I can't. bro. And then they're going to kill Rebecca Ferguson again for no reason. No. Real pain. She was the greatest of the franchise. Stupidest shit ever. Yeah, I didn't like that. But, you know, what can you do?

You know what I'm saying? You could not like it. That's what, like me. What can you do? Daniel, how do you feel about this? People not every day, B. I was going to say, I'm about to piss off Joe me even more. But I like tapped out a while ago of this franchise.

Whoa. I got to go, I got to go back and like, like, watch some of these. Wait, wait. When did you tap out? What did you tap out? one where Henry Cavill did the gun reload? That's all my God. The arm, the arm reload. That's the last one I saw.

That's the last one. Actually, I like that one. Hey, guess what? I think you, I think you might be all right. That's the best one. Yeah. I had to confess. I mean, I did enjoy that one, but. You're only missing, you're only missing two.

Yeah. I'm missing two. All right. Well, he's missing dead reckoning and then what will be the final reckoning. So yeah, you're good, man. You're fine. I think I might have missed the one before of that one to, like, Was it like Baldwin and any other of them?

Wait, wait, wait. You missed Rogue Nation. Oh, my brother. That's like you're missing the best parts of the syllabus. Okay, what's the most memorable sequence from an Missed Impossible movie you could remember? I mean, it's terrible. And I feel like, like, for some reason to me, like, I still think of like the early Mission Impossible is the most when I think of this franchise.

Like, I think of like, for some reason it's just like, Kit Regen there. like Tom Cruise just on rock climbing. As simple as like when it was like Mission Impossible 2. That's too. Hey, hey, thank you for coming to this pod, DC. Hey, man. We love to have you. I'm getting educated right now. Don't call us.

We'll call you. How about that? How about that? That's wild, man. You missed on a on real cinema. Stick around. Missing on a real cinema, brother. I've seen some of the stunts. Like, it was the last one where Tom Cruise drove that motorcycle off like six times or something like that? Yeah, yeah.

I wrote a blurb about Mission Impossible when I was like, because I've seen a lot of these on, this is like an airplane movie for me, you know, like, I've, that's what I'm talking about. I've seen a lot of ease on airplanes. And then you jump out of that airplane and then save the world. Exactly.

You do the high altitude, low, they blur it together for me. Exactly. Holding a nuclear football. Where's your, so what's your score at if you're going to be a hater on the greatest film franchise in the history of film and media in general? I have seen all the chatter and how much people have really,

love the last, like the last one especially. I do think this movie's going to do well, but I'm just going to put out of seven. All right. Because I am confident it's going to do well. People are definitely going to watch this movie. I don't know how it's going to be because, again, I probably won't see it. All right. Let's start off with a spinoff that nobody asked for.

Ballerina from the world of John Wick. Starring Anaday Armas. I don't know, man. I feel like we can like, does the John franchise need to die necessarily. No, but I feel like you could just let us miss it for a while. Like, I don't think I need

I don't need ballerina. I don't really need a spinoff in the world of John Wick. Because, like, I think that the best thing that happened in the span of John Wick and its, like, series is the fact that what made John Wick perfect is because it's a look into a world. It's just like, it's like a sequel to a movie that never happened. And everything is already established.

There's this whole entire world that you're just immediately immersed in along with amazing action, along with great performances, and a fun time at the movies. As that world expands through John Wick's 2 through 4, that world gets more and more fleshed out and ultimately ridiculous but fun.

And now we have the ending of John Wick 4 and the continuation with a different character for the world of John Wick. Two things that I don't, that do not inspire confidence. One, the insanely long, like, post-fix, or prefix title from the world of John Wick, like, very, like, origin of Batman's Butler Pennyworth type shit. And the trailer absolutely did not do it for me. Not to say that the action isn't good.

Not to say that, like, you know, the premise couldn't be interesting. But it's the idea that there's this prerequisite of a... John Wick's sign off or co-sign that needs to happen in order to like legitimize this in the world of the audience. To see Keanu Reeves cameo in this movie in the trailer does not inspire confidence to me whatsoever. It's like almost as if to make sure it's like, hey, do you remember what John Wick was?

Here's John Wick. Here's him saying that this girl's cool. I, like that doesn't really do it for me. This is a five. I got to be like a three honestly because I don't I don't know who was asking for let me

let me rephrase I don't thought that people weren't asking for but it's I think we've gotten past the all right cool we're just going to make another thing but not starting the people that you wanted to see in it right I come to John Wick

because I like Keanu Reeves doing that stuff you know what I mean shooting people riding the horn you know the whole thing i don't know if that extends to the world of john rick wick right i think it just works for john wick and so for me i'm not really i think i mean i think people are going to see it i do people watch continental you know what i mean like i i don't people might enjoy it

but if i'm being clearly honest i don't i don't think it's there i don't think it's there so i'm be at, I'm gonna go out of three. All right. I think I'm about the same as you here, Steve. I'm at a five. But that said, like, I mean, I'm not really that interested in the world building of John Wick, but, like, for me, that these movies are all pretty low stakes

in the sense that I'll go there, and I want to see some good action. And, like, that's about it. I want to see some, like, ridiculous, ridiculous kills, like, or cameos of people. Like, John Wick fighting Bobon was, was a lot of fun, which I don't know for that. was like John Wick 3. I like Anandamus and like to see a different side of this, I guess, you know, with a different

character. I'll always see it, you know, but I don't think it's going to do that well at the box office. I don't know how the movie's going to be itself. But again, like, as long as it's got some good action, it's fun, like, that's all I need from it. Say less. All right. Let's kick it off again with another Pixar.

film. Elio. Elio. We got to see a little bit of preview of this at D23 last year. There's been a trailer and teaser that's out for now. Little boy goes to space.

Cute little Pixar movie. But also an alarming thing, this is probably going to be one of the last original Pixar films that we've seen quite a long time. This one in Hopper. This one in Hopper. The last guys, if you want to get in

on the original IP train. This is my... This is it. It's your last... This is the second of last stop. Trains leaving the station. You know, so hold on to your butts because this is all you got left.

But no, this looks really charming. I like the idea of space exploration. The trailer, like, starts with a Carl Sagan quote. It's a really, really, really, like, beautiful looking story. I really think that this could be something special. This is an eight for me. Yeah, I think I'm going to go at an eight, too. I think what we saw was very...

charming and interesting and there's a chance that this could be something more and so I hope people really tap in and tune in but yeah we're at a point where if this if this don't make the money is supposed to make ah it's over get ready to learn tour story nine buddy yeah that's that's kind of where we're at right now with it but I really hope i Leo does good because what we saw looked like there could be something there yeah now I'm gonna put it at a at a seven I'm actually I'm really excited and I'm only putting it a little bit lower just because I'm not that confident that it's going to do well. I mean, you guys are mentioning it it's all in the fact that it is an original Pixar movie and those have not been doing

that well for them lately and Disney clearly doesn't trust that this is this is going to work for them anymore. So they're just going to go for the sequel train moving forward. But I'm really excited just to see them explore a new a new world in the way that a lot of the old Pixar movies did and like hopefully evoke some of those those feelings. that it did for those earlier movies did for me as a kid. So I'm excited for it. Love to hear it. All right. Stepping out into the live action

remakes that nobody asked for How to Train Your Dragon? Live action remake directed by the same director that directed the original trailer. Let's talk about it. Borderline shot for shot

remake of the original film. What original song? as long as you think you're going to put in this one? I don't know. Get the best song, Oscar nomination. Damn.

Why did I immediately leap to John Legend? I don't know why I just leaped there. That's not where he belongs. Not in the mountains of Scotland. I don't know, man. I don't. Oh, my God. Here's the thing, right?

If I'm being completely honest, If I want to be serious for just like one second, the thing that made how to train your dragon, how to train your dragon, what made it magical, what made it so important, was just the feeling, like seeing hiccup on his dragon,

like the first time. Right. Was something special. You know, watching him figure out how to fly in just like, you know, the music, like the entire thing wrapped up. Right.

Was just something that even I can remember watching it in class for the first time. And I was just like, yo, this is, yo, they're doing this? What? I don't know how you replicate that in live action. I just don't. Right. And so I would have to see it. I mean, I think people are going to, like, give it a shot, you know, because, again, the movie was so popular.

The movie, you know, means a lot to a lot of people. I'm going to put it out of six. but man it does look word for word bar for bar like the movie and if it just comes off

as just like a little because there's this thing right we talked about it last when we talked about we talked about avatar the last airbender you do if you're going to bring something from animation

and live action you have to do something different right you can't go one for one but you also can't be too different so there's like a balance you have to strike right

and I don't I just it's a tough balance I don't know if it's gonna do it I just don't know if it's gonna do it's very tough yeah I'm I'm at a Steve what did you what was your score six for me six for you I think I'm at a four for this just in the sense like I mean to your guys point

it's it really is like shot for shot I mean just the fact that it's the same director too like there are a lot of like very shameless cash grabs on this list but this feels like one of the bigger ones to me where it's like it really is just a recreation of the animated movie and I don't know how much it's really going to add in that sense

but it probably will make some money so in that sense I'm raising it up to it for yeah not not not looking great this is why I felt like pretty bleak in the beginning when you're asking about the year the first movie is so important to me the first movie is so incredible yeah and it's in a weird way

I feel like if this is even good like this can be good but I feel like it's also like it's so weird to me that this director would do this and I don't know about like delegitimizing his animated work or making it like it's not

but it's not that though I don't think it's it still exists it doesn't disappear lack of a better I know but like that's the thing I'm like the work is still there if you have something to improve upon or like change about this original thing it's such an interesting

it's a fascinating move for a director to come back as an animated thing. It's like, okay, we're going to make a live action the Incredibles. What?

Why? Okay. Cool. Like, I guess. But, like, I think this is probably one of the first things.

Like, we've seen this from Disney all the time, but, like, this is the first time that, like, something like this is actually stepping into

a realm that I genuinely don't know where we'll go if this is good. Will it make money? Sure. But, man, I don't know.

I don't know. There's just a tough balancing act, and so I don't know how they pull it off. But like I said, there's a big, there's a big community there. Again, the first movie is legitimately excellent. So, well, I just have to see what it looks like. We literally have to see what it looks like.

I think it's definitely a tricky thing because it's like, if you're the director to you, you don't want somebody else taking your work and potentially rooting you. For sure. And that's kind of the reason why he stepped into this role to be like, I want to make sure this is done right.

And I'm like, okay. but like not only just to be done right, but like, if you say so. Okay. All right. Yeah, but then as a viewer, too, it's like you're not going to be able to come at this from a different perspective. It's so wild.

Coming up through a new lens. All right. Let's get to what might be my most anticipated movie of this year, 28 years later. I'm so excited for this. I'm genuinely so, so fucking jazz for this. 28 days later is like one of my favorite horror movies ever.

I loved the original. I really, really liked 28 weeks later, like a really great horror film. And to know that both Danny Boyle and Alex Garland are back to bring us a new trilogy of things that is definitely something that, like, not only people have wanted, but like, they've wanted the right time for.

And it feels like a fan base has kind of been patiently, and eagerly awaiting something new from this world. I'm so excited. That trailer might have been one of the best trailers I had ever seen in such a long time.

We have Aaron Taylor Johnson, Ray Fines, Anya Taylor Joy. Like, I'm gobsmacked. I'm like, this is a nine for me. I will be sat. I hope this sets the world on fire with how fun it is.

I loved, loved, loved 28 days later. So if we can get to see Killian Murphy in this new trilogy, I hope we can. But like, I'm not going to be able to talk about this rationally because I just love this franchise. Oh, so when I talk about Mission Impossible, I'm a villain, but he can go on about 28 years later. Yeah, but you don't have eight to nine other movies to compare this to, to be like, hey, you might have fallen off of movie, Jamie. Rules for me, but not for thee. Got it. Show me, even you lost count of the number of movies.

Yeah, got it. because they all blend together because it's like Oh yeah that's what we really do want It's like a deliour. It's like a deletious cinematic experiences. It's like a delicious Sunday.

You just want another and then another and then another. Who knows where the chocolate sauce ends and the ice cream begins? No, yeah, no, no. I want. You know what I mean? Delicious.

Don't hate. Appreciate. Where are you at, D.C.? I'm at a seven for this. I really loved 28 days later. I still, enjoy 28 weeks later as well, but I didn't love it as much. And I think that's the tricky thing when, and especially with how much time has passed

since the second one, hopefully that's, that's an indication that now the story is right for them to return to it. And it's not just like, okay, it's time to just do another sequel with this IP that's still there. But I'm hopeful at least. The thing that is really annoying me, though, right now is that you can't find these movies anywhere, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it was like a right thing.

Right, yeah, the rights Sony. Like, they've since, like, since the, like, announcement of this movie, they're, like, coming back with another, like, digital, like, availability that they're going to be working on as well as, like, a physical release. So, that's exciting. But, like, even for the sake of, like,

getting people in front of this movie again, this original 28 days later, it's really, really, really important to me. I love, love the idea of this coming back. This is why physical media is important. important though, you know? It is? Yeah, facts. Big facts.

Because I was, I really, after seeing that trailer, it's a great trailer. I really wanted to go back and see 28 days later because I hadn't seen it in so many years. But I was like, oh, I can't. Yeah, this is six for me. I don't have the attachment to you guys have to this, this series. But I think people have been like clamoring for it. And so I remember that, like, they released like a couple stills and they had the,

the, uh, the zombie out there. They're like, is that Killea Murphy? You know what I'm saying? People are locked in. So, yeah, it's a six. I think there's a massive audience. People have been begging for this movie. So people will show up and it'll probably do like good numbers.

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So much. Let's bring it home for like this one. We got to speed through some of these. not dwell on this. Jurassic World rebirth. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Respect Jurassic World. I absolutely will not.

Oh my God. All of those movies are terrible. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All of the Jurassic World movies are terrible. That's like fundamentally not true. That's fundamentally not true. The first one, like the first Jurassic, that's not true. That's not true.

Bad. That's not true. Other than Chris Pat holding out his arms and using the clicker, what else can you remember from that movie? The first one is not bad. The third one is absolute dog water. And the second one is stupid. I will give you those two.

Actively trash films. You can have those two. The first one is cool. First one's cool. Okay, and you can say that. First one's cool. Don't do that. Don't lie.

Don't lie now. Don't lie. Because you're lying right now. I'm not lying. That's crazy. The first dress of words. Yeah, it's bad. You're not, you see, y'all see, you see, you, y'all see what I deal with?

People actively come into the podcast and start lying about what it was. When the Jurassic World came out, we was like, oh, this was tight, this was good. Man, I like to see what happens next. And then they shat in our mouths for two straight movies. Absolutely. And guess what? Open up, Jomey. Absolutely.

Open up, Jomey, here comes another. We're going to have to see it. Here comes the airplane. No. Booty. Absolutely not. Bro, is Colin Trevor how? It's pronounced Keehoi Kwan.

Whatever his name is, bro, they took Star Wars away from him. Look, we talk a lot about, man, you know, Skeleton Crew. Somebody done dirty. Kathleen Kennedy and all that stuff. Taking Star Wars away from that, man, genius move. That's the, you know what I'm saying? Like, smart stuff. Let's give him dinosaurs instead.

But it's really, it's really, Fine. The first one was really fun. This one, I hope, maybe it's because I've been locked in on Camp Cretaceous and a Chaos Theory on Netflix. Okay, great. So you're locked in on a children's show that has nothing to do with the movies. See, and this is how I know you don't know ball. It's canon to the story. All right. So you're not even locked in? You're

talking like, you know what you're talking about, but you don't. But you don't. There are stories to be told in this world that work. Like, I mean, I've mentioned Capricatious. Chaos theory surprised me because the end of Cambertaceous was kind of like, all right, guys,

yeah, y'all, y'all playing on my face. But they locked back in with the first two seasons of chaos theory. Like, they really hit something. I think it's interesting. And it's like, really like,

I was like, what? They can do this in this world again? What? So I would love to see if they can kind of bring a new energy to the Jurassic World Universe.

They got Jonathan Bailey doing push-ups, Skylo-Johansson in there. I'm going to say an eight I really I'm really excited for it all the other ones made a billion dollars despite the fact that they actively were the last year were actively terrible

so I got to go in eight I think Jurassic World's soil has pool people like dinosaurs I know y'all are going to hate but let's not lie I say the first one was terrible it wasn't it was cool it was cool it was fine DC make me right don't do that

don't do that make me right yeah I'm kind of more on Steve's to this show me. I'm sorry. That's fine. I didn't mind the first one. I'd like... First one was cool. I'm not saying... I enjoyed it. I didn't love the movie, but... I'm not saying it was freaking...

Nobody said it was freaking Citizen Kane or the Godfather or anything like that. It, like D.C. said, it was fine. It was cool. You know what I'm saying? It made a bad. It's kind of like, okay, you know, we back in dinosaur land. It's whatever. I was saying it's bad

is detrimental and just frankly not true. That movie was moving units. Don't do that. Don't rewrite history. Let's not do that. All right. Let's write history about Superman legacy right now. Is this the biggest movie of the year? It's up there for sure. Probably. It'd have to. Is it still called Superman legacy?

Didn't he just make, just Superman? I thought it might just be Superman. I think he made it Superman again. Is it just Superman? All right. Well, I mean, it's, you know, who knows at this point? Who cares? The James Gunn directed Superman film that we all saw the trailer for. There you go. There you go. I got to go on.

I think that the hype surrounding this movie is just incredible. And I think they might have something now. I've set this on the main eye buzz when talked about the first trailer. I know how James Gunn operates. It likes to put a lot of pieces in place. And it's weird because, when we talk about all his superhero offerings, there's always been like six people

you got to care about. At all times, there's always like a group of people. This is the first one where it's not guardians. There's not a group. It's not a squad of people. It's just Superman. So how can you make us care about?

Just give me the Superman stuff. I know Green Lantern's in it. I know Mr. Riffick's in it. I know Lois is in it and like, you know, those are parts of a story, obviously, that need to be there. But at the same time, how can you make us care about Clark Kent and Superband? That's the most important thing. But I, obviously, this is probably the biggest movie that's coming out this year. This movie doesn't work.

They have to shut DC studios down, tear it like to the stats and then build it back up. This, this like has to, like it literally has to be good because you can't, like, I don't think you can stumble out of the gate like this with what you want to get done. This is an eight for me. I genuinely think that this is going to be very entertaining. It will make so very much money. I'm just so curious.

I'm curious about, in a positive way, about what the tone is to set for so many movies to come, to make this a vanguard for seemingly like, I don't know, a dozen projects to happen down the road. We'll find out. And like, if I don't sound as excited, it's mainly because, like, I've been as excited as I possibly can be. Now I'm just so curious.

I just have to know. I got to know. D.C., what do you think? I'm at an eight as well. Like, I'm really excited for this movie. But in terms of confidence, Jomi raised a lot of good points about this, this is a very different movie for James Gunn.

I think there's an earnestness to Superman that I think, still falls in line with a lot of the characters and like his kind of filmmaking sensibilities. But there's there's a lot of other superheroes he's trying to bring into it. There's a lot of pressure. It's a much more sincere character than James Gunn is used to. And there's like in the past ever ever since Superman returns like there hasn't been success for all these movies. And it's it's really just getting to the point where it's, I don't. know how well this character works on the big screen in 2025 and like what what that looks like to see a modern Superman. So I'm really curious and I hope it goes well and there's a lot riding

on this for DC Studios for sure. But in terms of confidence, that's the reason why I'm talking in a couple points. Okay. You don't like Manor Steel? I liked it, but I wasn't crazy about it. I really, I really, really enjoyed the beginning part of it with Russell Crow with like Krypton going down. was great. But after that, I'm kind of meh on it. I really liked Henry Cavill. That's not to say anything about Henry Cavill as Superman.

But I don't know. We'll see. I hear you. I hear you. What's next? What is next? We have Fantastic Four First Steps. Yeah.

You know, oddly also as important. Not, okay. If Superman don't work, they got to, like, shut DC studios down. If Fantastic Four, doesn't work. Well, you don't have to shut Marble Studios down, but you do have to you know, it's kind of like

all right, we took a big swing, we missed the playoffs again, you might have to fire Mike Tomlin. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I mean, I don't think you... You don't send Kevin Feigy home, obviously, but you do kind of have to like, all right, we got to retool the thing.

I got into this into, like, this world of comic books and seros, because I went to see Fantastic Four in 2005 and y'all are going to say you're going to hate. I already know Steve's going to hate.

Movies, movies cool. I think it's, I think it's good. Sure. I would, I would let y'all say that it's like, fine, it's cool. Don't tell me it's terrible. That's not true. That's not what happened.

But these characters mean a lot to me. Sure. And so hopefully, hopefully we can get like a good depiction of them on screen. We've seen some stuff at Comic-Con at D-23 that lends me to believe that it could be fun, it could be exciting.

They have a vision for this movie. And so I'm gonna stay to none. I think there's a chance that this movie could bring life back to the MCU. I know, like, we talked highly about Thunderbolts, and I do think that that's exciting as well. But we've seen those characters, you know what I mean? Like, for the most part, we know who these people are. for Fantastic Four, it's been a minute.

You know what I mean? If they give us something that hits, I'm not going to sit here and say like Marvel's back. I think they do have to earn a lot of trust back with the people. But if Fantastic Four First Steps is a banger, yeah, man, we might have to start having some conversations. It was bad? Ah!

It's not what you want. But I think a nine is right at. I think this movie's going to do some good things. I'm going to have to put it in eight personally. I think it's the stakes that get me worried here because if the Fantastic Four does not work, at least not for the right reasons that I think critically come from us, I think that Marvel doesn't learn the right lessons again. I think that we've talked about Deadpool and Wolverine as kind of a litmus test of the things

that if in a vacuum, this is all they do, and this is the energy they bring to Secret Wars and Doomsday, it's kind of an MCU's attitude that I don't want. I don't want them to just think that all they can do is play the hits, and then that's what they're going to get me to have all my goodwill for. And I don't think that that's really going to be the case entirely, but I certainly think that when it comes down to, I think the last flagship before X-Men really comes down the pipeline,

like the last big thing that you get before you show us X-Men doesn't work. It's going to be hard, I think, for Marvel to really not take the lessons that Deadpool and Wolverine gave them and kind of twist and pervert them into the things that we

make fun of superhero movies for. Am I out of line, DC? No, I think that's all fair. I'm still high on this, but I'm a little bit lower than you guys. I'm out of seven. Okay. Because I really just think that this is the Fantastic Four is really hard to adapt.

It is. It is already with that. It's an odd sell. You got a guy of rocks. Somebody's invisible. Mr. Fantastic. Like the amount of CGI. You got to sell them on a family. You got to sell them on a family.

That's all that you need. I love the fantastic for, but I'm saying, but I'm saying for live action. To visualize that, I think it's very difficult. For an animated movie, I think this is like fantastic.

Wow. I didn't even mean, I didn't even mean to do that. There you go. And that's on four. That's all four. Throw up the set, read. I think it's really, I think it's really tricky.

it didn't work with the other movies, for me at least, it didn't work. But I think the way that they've rolled it out has been really smart. I like Matt Jackman with Wanda Vision. I think that's a smart choice for the director. For the score, Michael Jocchino. I'm hyped for that. I really like the cast.

And also just like setting this in a different time period, like going for the retro vibe. I think there's a lot of things, a lot of choices that they made that are making me more invested and more excited for it. But I think it's just a really, really tricky thing to visualize with this group. It's a great concept.

I love the Fantastic Four, but I think it's going to be hard to adapt it for live action no matter who's involved in it. Very true. Very true. That's fair. I like that. All right, moving on to Tron Ares.

Gen Pop hasn't seen much of this. We saw a little bit of it. Jomi, let's start with you. What do you think about this coming to the Tram? Do you've seen Tron legacy? You've seen the original Tron? I've seen Legacy. I have not seen the original Tron.

So we went to D23. We keep saying it. We went to D23. And this is, this is a brag. Did you guys go to D23? Did you guys go? Went to D23.

Yeah, okay. Listen, this isn't a brag. This is more of like, this really gave us a litmus test for a lot of the stuff that we're talking about. No, that's fair. Yeah, Disney owns everything, essentially.

Yeah. And so we went, we're there, and a laser pops out and like, starts siding on screen. Starts carving out the screen. And we're like, what's going on? what the hell's going on?

And they're like, Tron Arias, the music, buy, nine inch nails. And we're like, cool, yeah.

And that's kind of how I feel about this movie. All right, all right. Yeah, okay, cool. Jared Leto, you mean a dude

who ruined the Joker for the first time ever? Awesome. I know he's got an Oscar. Yes, that doesn't, does not move me. Nope.

So, I gotta be, I'm gonna be, it's a six. It's a six. I think people really, I think there are Tron heads, obviously, people are gonna be excited about this film. But for me, you know what I'm saying? How many more Laserdics fights?

What the hell? What? Yo, boss. How many more Laserdist fights do I have in me? Not that many. Not that many. Here's the thing. If I was confident in this, I would have infinite. I genuinely

appreciate Tron. Legacy more than I actually like it because I think that there's some things that are like genuinely like capital F filmmaking feats that happened in that movie in Tron Legacy that I really loved and even if it's just a vehicle for really cool bands to make incredible soundtracks like Daft Punk did for Tron Legacy. That's one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard of my life. If Nineage Nails makes a cool soundtrack out of this movie and if the movie's Dogwater it'll be worth it to me because then we got a

cool Nine Inge Nails album. But other than that, I'm not entirely confident. I do not like Jared Leto one bit. The director of this directed Maleficent, the sequel. And that's kind of it. And we don't really have a

rock solid story to come out of. They're in the real world and they're in the computer world. It sucks kind of because I really like the Tron IP, and I think if it's capitalized on it could be something really cool, and they just never made it work fully. But yeah, that's going to be

like a six for me. I'm not really, like, crazy about it, but man, it's, uh, it's interesting. All right, let's move on. Mortal Kombat. Oh, I got, yeah. Oh, shit, DC, sorry.

It's all good. Sorry, hold on. Snip, snip, snip. DC, what do you think? Yeah, no, I think that's all fair. For me, like, I didn't go to D23 like you guys, so I actually wasn't aware of this,

this project. I'm like right in the middle out of five just because I was like, I googled this after I saw it on the list. And like, I'm curious to see Greta Lee in like a big mainstream, like big budget movie like this. Cool.

Soundtrack, cool, nine inch nails. Curious. But I could go either way on this. And I have no idea how it's going to do like box office wise. so I'm going to put it right in the middle of five. Yeah, I think that's fair. All right, that's fine. Okay.

Mortal Kombat. Carl Urban, Johnny Cage, this is a 10. Like, nothing else from me. I'm confident this is going to be dumb, stupid, and really fucking fun. The first one was, like, surprisingly good. It came out during COVID, right? We're watching it at the crib. It's easy to be like, oh, I watch it at home.

It was fine. But, like, I was, I was surprised about how, like, not much how much I didn't hate it. Yeah. You know? There's a really great space for movies that are like, oh, man, that was not a disaster. And that wasn't unfun. Dude, and I respect the shit out of those movies.

Josh Lawson's Cano, man. Womp, that's funny, man. Yeah. That was funny. The Scorpion, fucking great. Get over here. Come on, man. Shout on our guy.

Hi. Hi. Hi. man. Hanso Hash. Come on, bro. I'm in,

man. I think I got to give it an eight, man. Like, I'm not that. Wow. That's so much higher than I thought

was going to be. Oh, dude, come on. It's mortal Kong. Look, here's the thing. If another Godzilla versus Kong movie

was there, I think that we'd have the same thing. We're like, we know what it is. Come on. We know what it is. See, I know,

because D. D.C. not locked in, bro. I'm really not locked in. He's not locked in. Man, you know,

sub, Like, Sub and Scorpion are like real, not like heroes. I don't want to say that. Yeah. But when I think about like fictional characters who like I really love and I really appreciate, they, them two is up there, man, because they got like real beef. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's mad respect.

And listen, I genuinely liked Louis Tan. He seems like a cool guy. Like every, like, interview that I've seen him in, he seems like a pretty, like, solid dude. There's some fun young talent in this. Like, and we got fucking Carl Urban is just. Connie Cage, like a role he was born to play. Like, come on. I will be there no matter what.

Yeah. Were you guys into the games? Are you guys into the games? I am. I'm all right into the games. Listen. I'm a baby, bro. Raiden, come on, man.

Yo, you're not there. I'm a big fan of that studio. They're like with a former Midway Studios. Nether Realm. Chicago Born and Raised. Like, that's the one notable video game studio out of Chicago. I've been there before. It's really fucking cool.

so I respect those guys. Yo, Noob Saibot don't move you, D.C. Honestly, I... DeVore don't move you, D.C.? You know, Shao Kahn, don't move you, D.C! Smoke? Come on. I'm right there in the middle of five again.

I feel no way. I feel no way one way or the other with this movie. There are a lot of movies on this list where I'm like... Sindel, don't move you, D.C! Man, get Ben Lindberg here. This is button mash now. All right. Oh, man.

I'm sorry. What's your score? Five. Five. All right. Okay. That's fine. Just safely in the middle.

Man, all right. Now I'm going to be a real hater. I'm going to be a real hater here. Avatar Fire and Ash. I've notoriously hated all the Avatar movies. See? I don't like them. So I don't like them.

That's fair. Honestly. I don't like them. They're dumb. They're stupid. I'm not. So I'm a believer in like you go watch the Avatar movies in the theater. And you're like, yo, that was crazy, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks so great, man. I don't need... What happened in the movie? What? Who? No. Who?

I don't need a fucking... I don't need a tech conference presentation that stretched over three hours and you call it a movie. I don't need that. No, you're... I don't need the talking whales. It's bad negativity. I don't need the water girl and everybody's looking at her like, ooh, no. I don't care.

This is negativity that we don't need. No. The movies, the stories have been not great. The theater experience has been cool, but like, that's like, I don't think I've ever, I've never run back the sequel to Avatar. I've rewatched the first Avatar once. No. And it sucks watching it at home.

Like, it's completely unremarkable. Yeah. And I don't have any sort of, like, lasting impression of any of those movies the moment after I see them. I think that's fair. Like, it's in one eye out the other. Like, I will never feel anything about Avatar, Fire, and Ash, the moment I stop watching it. I think you make some good points.

I'll never think about it again. I don't totally agree with your takes. That being said, this is a nine because it's going to be fantastic to watching the theater. And it'll make a billion dollars. It's going to make three billion dollars. And reluctantly, this is like a nine for me as well because I'm like, yeah, there's a reason they're making 20 of these. Yeah. Yeah.

It's going to be cool. It's going to be cool. Yeah. No, I'm exactly the same way with nine. The only reason why it's not a 10 is because I do agree with you from the story perspective, Steve. But every time I've seen the first two movies in theaters, like visually, they are on another level when it comes to CG. Yeah, great. I'm excited for that, but to your point, like, I haven't rewatched any of them at home because the whole point of these movies to me is just the theatrical experience.

And that's honestly, it's still a good thing to me because if there's ever a reason to like really go see a movie, in theaters. It's like these movies too. And honestly, that's fine. It's going to make a lot of money. And it's the same level of like impressed that I get if I go if you were to go to like a cool tech conference where you see like a laptop with an expanding

screen or like one of those like new 3D glasses. I'm like oh wow, this is an amazing cool use of technology put into a thing that I feel nothing for. Only thing I can remember about the movie the first one is that they had an

obtaining a minute. That's it. That's all I got. Don't you remember when they drilled into the Whales brain juice and that that made fuel? That wasn't the second one. Yes. Actually, no. No, there was one awesome part in the second Avatar movie that I do love. And it's when

that dude got killed with those like industrial like wire cables and like split them in half. Yeah, that harpoon thing. Yeah, that harpoon thing but it like strapped them to the thing. I was like, I will say it shredded him in half. Like that was crazy. I will say they set up the sequel heavy being I on because, you know, Sam

Wortherton, the guy's like, hey man, I'll kill your whole family if you don't stop. And he was like, bet, let's do it. And he just like the quick, like, life flip. He runs it. Like, that was cool. But then, like, the dude, like, dies, but he don't die. And so they got that, what's it called?

Because this is the second time. Because we thought we shot him in the first one. Yeah, they came back at the Nauvian the second one. Then he thought it got him in this one. But since Spider is his son, Spider saves him. And this one. Yeah, yeah, I don't remember.

We need to bring back the discourse. We need to bring back the discourse about Spider. Yo, hey, first thing I'm doing like it's a Pandora, I'm cutting that M. J-Lucks off, my boy. It's like, that's unnecessary. That's a violation. My boy. Nah, no, no, no.

I know what's the great on woken here right now? That's still a bridge too far for me personally. My man, we got to get you that Freddie Freeman cut. You know what I'm saying? Zero on the sides. The one up top, like real flat like, my man. Like, chill out. But, yeah, it's going to make me a lot.

It's going to be an exciting movie. I'm excited for this. We won't get a trailer. for this until later in the year. But Guillermo del Toro is said that he is releasing his Frankenstein adaptation. On Netflix, right? In 2025, correct.

Cast looks stacked. I love Guillermo del Toro. I think this will kind of just go over as more of an underappreciated gem, like a couple of his other movies. I just love seeing him pop up. And I love my guy. Like, I don't think he's probably one of my favorite

just dudes in Hollywood. Regardless of being a great, director, which he is, which he legitimately is. I just like, he's a great vibe. He's a great dude. I'll put this at a seven because like, hey, be on the lookout for Guillermo D'Otoe's Frankenstein. Look out for newly discovered director, Giovo D'Otoe, coming to you live on Netflix.

I think he's going to go places. Yeah, he might have a shot. D.C., where you at? I'm at an eight. Honestly, I don't really know too much about like this movie in terms of, like, who's attached to it other than Guillermo D'Otoe, but really that's all I need. and the fact that it's him pairing with Frankenstein just seems like. All right, let me hit you with this cast.

The perfect match, the perfect match. Let me hit you with this cast. Jacob Allorty. Mia Gough. Oscar Isaac. Oh, I got it. Yeah, no. Say no more.

No, we're locked in. No, no, no, say no more. You're a Mia goth guy. I understand. It all came back to me. I understand it now. I was like, he really excited about Frankenstein. I know he liked horror.

As soon as he said Mia Gough, I was like, ah, you can't fool me. I am familiar with your game. My queen. Yeah. That's your girl. Nah, I see where you're coming from. Ralph Indeson. Come on.

Christop Waltz. Nah. Oscar I know why you're there. No, I know why you're there. You know what I'm saying? I'm sad. You didn't come to the buffet for the ice cream machine and the plantains. You know what I'm saying?

I came for Charles Dance. You know what I mean? Nah, you didn't come for all that. You know what you came for. Don't do this. It's a Netflix release, right? So we'll get a limited release in theaters. But for the most part, it'll just be on.

on your TV streaming at home. Think that puts a dent into things. I think it does because a lot of these are coming out in theaters. And there is going to be word of mouth. Obviously, we're going to like, if the movie hits, they're going to be talking about it online. Not on TikTok, but on other places on the internet. I'm going to be at a six.

I do think that we scare about Totoro, making a monster movie. We've seen this before, and it's done what it needs to do. I think the lack of it not being in theaters is what hurts ultimately. You know, I guess it is easier to go like, oh, we're going to watch it at home at the crib. But there's somehow seeing a movie in theaters. I'm like, yo, this was special, man, versus the crib, ultimately for me. All right, that's fair. Let's move it on.

Wicked for Good. The sequel to Wicked. Part two. D.C. where you at, man? Let's start with D.C. We've talked about Wicked a little bit. on this podcast, another podcast. What is your experience with Wicked, Daniel?

Please let us know. I'll tell you right now. I mean, for the longest time, my girlfriend really wanted me to come see this movie with her, and I had zero interest. Absolutely no interest in going to it. I thought the trailers looked bad. I thought this was going to be, like,

I saw it the runtime for three hours. Where does this movie get off? I sat down for that movie. I loved it. Yeah. Loved it. I saw Van Tweetin about it. It converted a lot of haters.

He was like, do I like musicals now? I was like, man, maybe I do I like musicals now? Dancing through live. Come on, man. I'm here for it, man. I'm all in on. It will take no convincing for me to go see the second one now. I only have a tiny bit of pause, only because it, like, being familiar with the show,

with the production, and knowing what comes in the second half, I won't spoil anything, but like there's there's not as much meat on the bones as far as story is concerned for this latter half of what they're doing. So they're going to be incorporating a lot more lore from the book, Wicked, as well as the Broadway play. And the original composer of that musical is coming back to write two new original songs for this version. Oh boy. Which is almost shocking to me, which is like incredible. bold and surprising to get not only the person that wrote this musical, but the

person to come back to write two new songs just for this movie. That can go really well, or that can go very poorly. So that's a very interesting gamble here to come with like a very

beloved show and story and make new things and possibly twist and change things that people might not like. but again, the first one was one of the biggest movies of the year, and it's going to be a shoe in for a million things at the Oscars. I'm confident that people are going to go see it,

because there's no way that people aren't going to not. I'll put it at a cautious seven, just because of I'm not sure about the new stuff. That's all. That's fair. But everything else about the first one was great. I have zero reason to doubt that it won't be good. Jomi, where do you think?

So you already know I hate the title. Yeah, that's true. The title's dumb. If you're going to call it wicked part one, either call it wicked and then wicked for good, or call it wicked part one and wicked part two. That's all I ask. Okay. So that's going to dogged a point.

In confidence. And I have heard the rumblings of the juice was all spent in part one. When it comes to the songs, yes. When it comes to the songs, I would say yes. Like, you do not have another defying gravity in the second half of that show. There's no defined gravity. There's no popular. Right.

It's just, and then, and this is, and we'll talk about it more on the pod coming out for the Midnight Boys next Wednesday, but there was some stuff I don't really mess with in the first one. There was some, like, there's some stuff. We're going on a little tease. But. So I got to see It's not the hat It's some of the Nah we're going to talk about it

All right All right We'll talk about it We'll talk about it on the midnight Boys I'm looking forward to that one But So I need to see how the things are resolved

So ultimately I gotta be I'm gonna say an eight Because like I am excited For this This movie But it's like Yo

I'm the juice is spitting The first one Y'all change that title Ah We got to see what it looks like We have to see what it looks like All right I'm not the same for eight because, I mean, this first movie did so well that there's,

there's no way that this second movie doesn't do like really well at the box office, at least. I think, Steve, you raised a lot of really good points in terms of how much is left with the story. I don't really know too much about the lore and everything. I don't know. The song's too well, but all the songs I already knew of Wicked before seeing this have happened in this first part. So I'm curious where it goes with it. And they did such a good job with this first one that I'd be surprised if there's a big drop off. but we'll see how much meat's left on the bones, as you said, Steve.

It's going to be interesting. Well, thank you guys so much for listening to that. It was a blast talking to DC. We're going to have more for you tomorrow on Saturday for the TV edition of this. Get excited for it. We're going to be talking a lot about severance. We're going to be talking about all the great things that are going to be coming out in the world of TV and IP in 2025 this Saturday. Thank you so much for listening. Jomi, any last words for us?

Thank you guys for listening. We love you. You appreciate you. Again, hope your new year is going great. I want to give a lovely shout out to our intrepid producer. He goes by many names. But I like to call him the only hot guy that matters. Jonathan Carmel. Wow. That's very true.

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