The Ringer-Verse - The 2025 Versies Awards | The Ringer-Verse

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

‘House of R,’ ‘The Midnight Boys,’ and ‘Mint Edition’ unite to bring you the 2025 Versies Awards and celebrate all the highs and lows of nerd content from this last year. Witchiest Moment... (06:25) We Are So Back (11:43) Most Emotionally Wrenching Moment (18:09) Most Toxic Couple Award (30:03) Best Dance Scene (35:23) Heartthrob of the Year (41:47) Best Series (49:56) Best Movie (54:03) Best Performance (58:32) Hosts: Mallory Rubin, Joanna Robinson, Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:17 Aboo. Lafamilia. Van. Joe. Steve, Charles. Pous of ours here. We don't have a special sound effect. Just like a whoop. Wop. Joe, Mal. Mint edition is here. Joe me and Steve, get a second intro. Guys, this is the fifth time. Fifth time that we've done the Verses.
Starting point is 00:02:34 What is the fifth? That can't be true. The fifth annual. That can be true. Fifth time. I wrote it down. Here you go. Here are the prior times we've done the verces. We did an M-C... V-C-U-Virsis in June of 2021. We did the 20-21 versus in March of 2022. The 2022 versus in December of 2022. We've been all over the map. No coherent calendar. And then we did the 2023 versus in March of 2024. But what makes this special? Who knows? We're all in person. Hell yeah. Here we are. This is the first time that we have done the verses in person. And so while we did not walk the red
Starting point is 00:03:07 carpet, I do feel compelled to ask if anyone would like to talk about their outfits. Chuck, what are you wearing? Jolmi, what are you wearing? This is Venom, Old Navy. It was 1499 on Instagram. Hell yeah. He's a coupon. Whoa, no free ads.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah, what are you talking about? No free ads. What are you wearing, my boy? Come on. Grover. No, I can't. Hose your app. If y'all want to dress me, this is a good time.
Starting point is 00:03:33 On the versus, if anybody wants to send me free clothes, I will play you shamelessly. I'm so serious. Oh, so you're doing the Timit Telme. I'm going to need a check. Come by. Yeah, I'm gonna be. That was one of the best things he said. Timmy, what a run. What a fashion run from Timmy.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Yeah. You're competing, though. How no. You are. That is a brilliant blue right there. Thank you. Also, how does it, Steve, how does it feel? Oh, it's very soft.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Yeah. It's almost like I can play a game of pool on this. Oh, no. Wow. Okay. All right. In addition to us just sort of like lightly touching and complimenting each other, here's how today's show will work.
Starting point is 00:04:09 each ringerverse hosts will be presenting an award of their own design. These are made up categories. It is basically just a story bond. You know, all of us went individually into the dragon mount and forged a bond with a dragon and also a piece of content that we loved and then we made up an award. We're each going to present that award and then we're going to walk through the nominees that we are providing.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Five nominees per category, I believe one person did not adhere to that number. That me? Wait. Oh, no, no, no. I put one in at the end. Okay. Damn. Damn. Out of nose,
Starting point is 00:04:40 man. That was a cold little, like, eye turn. You were looking at me and I was like, what did I do? I was saying it always does make me feel good
Starting point is 00:04:48 because our shooting is like, yo, put your shit in, Charles. And then I'm like, at least I'm second to last,
Starting point is 00:04:54 because I saw Ben used the last holdout. You know what? We're all ready by the time the mics goes on. Put that shit in Charles. Some double entendres
Starting point is 00:05:06 will be a part of the show. Not even five minutes in. And that is part of the fun. Okay, what is eligible? All of the nominees, we're hooking this to the Oscars, right? So all of the nominees are going to come from 2024. We're doing it in March of 2025 because the Oscars were on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:05:22 We don't know what day this is airing, so we're going to say this week, sometime this week. We're going to toss to our fellow Dragon Writers here for input. Anybody can offer up an additional nomination. If you think that the creator of a given category really missed something, you're welcome to suggest that. in addition to providing your feedback on the nominations and question. However, it is ultimately, like the sole arbiter of each award is the person who created the category. They're not going to pick one of the real-time nominees, but they could be swayed by the conversation. Maybe you came in and you thought, I know which of these five I'm picking, and then your mind has changed right here in real-time.
Starting point is 00:06:01 We'll find out. Okay, we also have at the end of the show today a few other awards that are a little bit more like fastball down the middle, We're going to talk about some of the best shows, best movies, top performances of the year. And we just really want to spend more time in this room together. That's why we're doing that. So any questions before we begin? Like a trust getting cozy. Damn, we're going to be here for a while.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Suggle up. The shoes on those. I know Spotify. They got good cleaners. They got good cleaners. Questions, comments, concerns about how we will be conducting today's VERSE's awards. No confirmation of whether John Lithgow. is here to play us off stage,
Starting point is 00:06:41 so we're going to probably have to just hurry each other. Yeah, but don't pull no Adrian Brody. I will kick you off the stage. Nobody throw your gum. Did you see he did that? Yeah, I saw that. Of all the people. Wild.
Starting point is 00:06:53 All the things is wild. Like all the things in the pocket. Could have not anything with that gum. It's a fancy tucks, I guess. I just be honest with you, every time he wins the Oscar, he does something totally inappropriate. I was old enough.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Would you not simply swallow the gum? In normal circumstances, I wouldn't. I guess if you're about to give the speech, you'd be nervous about it. getting stuck. Why couldn't he put it? Kelly and Murphy's like, yo, give me the envelope real quick.
Starting point is 00:07:14 It could have been a ball in. I would put it under my own Oscar. Under the Oscar? That's the thing. He didn't want to get it with the Oscar. Yeah. And then you can't have fixed the Oscar to various surfaces throughout the night.
Starting point is 00:07:24 We've solved it. Okay. Guys, it is time for our first award of this here Verses. Please welcome to the stage. The podcaster without whom No Coven is complete. Oh.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Joanna Robinson. It's me. Hi. What's right to be here in person with all of you? I'm starting us off with a totally normal category, which will let you know which direction we're going in today, which is a weird one. I'm starting with witchiest moment.
Starting point is 00:07:57 We talked about a lot of which stuff in 2024, which stuff go. So I thought I'd float some witch moments by you all to see what you think. There's that time. if you remember, that a witch called Alice Rivers, where would roofied Damon Targaryen into dreaming that he's fucking his mom in House of the Dragon? I'll never forget. That's the thing that happened.
Starting point is 00:08:21 What a sequence. Yeah. I mean, that whole little Damon era was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I really tried to forget that. I'm going to go back and watch how the deal. Um, an acolyte, a covenant in the acolyte took control of an entire Wookie's mind. The power of many. That was cool.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Lillia Calderu time slips her way to her death and Agatha all along. A lot of witch stuff in that show, but that was time in a bottle incredible times. I know the Midnight Boys loved Wicked. Elphaba defies the mutual attraction between all things that have mass in Wicked. And last and least, Lady Jessica uses and abuses both Spice and the Voice to put her son on the Imperial throne in Dune. Part 2. Crowd in field. Mald Ribbon. Oh, I mean, come on. You know I'm going with Damon.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Damon Targaryen, wherewood, Pace, fever, dreamed, eating out his own mom, as she said to him, you were always a strong one. That's what happened. You always was the strong one. That's my vote. Great. No further comment. You know me.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Fucking Wicked got robbed last night. You know what I'm saying? The Academy Awards might not wanted to defy gravity, but my heart has been defying gravity ever since sharing a nice podcast of my boys wicked are you going to give us the riff can you give us the defiant gravity oh that's enough all right we saw it's pretty good i know i know i know i was honestly stirring that was our musical performance that we don't have six words we're not going to pause for a james bond
Starting point is 00:10:03 no one wants to do a james bond anyone want to do a song for the whiz you can do two Also, what was doge cat doing? Dush cat was doing a little bit. Trying to do a thing, bro. Doing a little too much. Steven. When it comes to witchie stuff, for me, I like the weirder, the better. And stewing up rabbits and making people have lucid dreams about their moms is pretty weird.
Starting point is 00:10:23 So I would go hot deep. Weirder the better. Yeah, of course. Again, fucking his own mom in his dream, as she says to him, the finest swordsman. Yes. See, next to the fucking weird witch. Guys. I mean, so for me, it's really between two.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Sue, on one hand, Lillia is slipping through Tom, you know, remember her whole life as a witch was fire. Other hand, we got the home girl, Lady Jessica, on that spice, you know, tricking the blue goo. You know, I'm gonna go to my heart. I'm gonna go with Lillia going through time. That meant something to me.
Starting point is 00:10:59 That was special. Oh, tell me. I love it. Guys, have we not, have we forgotten about Dune? I know. Have we forgotten about Dune? I know. The Academy did, but we have the chance to make things wrong.
Starting point is 00:11:09 Have we forgotten about the majesty that is Dune 2? I feel like Dune 2 has been supplanted by everything. I suspect we'll be awarding Dune 2. We're going to be honoring Dune 2. I'm making sure. We will. Guess what? I'm going to try to start the chain right now because Lady Jessica being high off the spice, the spigety,
Starting point is 00:11:32 blue eyes the whole nine. What a... Talk about witchiness. Yeah. We got the visual of the witchiness, and it was really fucked up in the theater. Big, huge, gigantic screen. I loved it.
Starting point is 00:11:44 That's what I'm going with. Okay. So two spice, well, no, a spice head. Yeah. We've got two for Damon Targaryen. Yeah. We've got Lilia. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:53 We've got Elfabah. Wow. Wow. My. I got to go with my heart and majority rules, and it's got to be Alice Rivers. Fuck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And David Targaryen. I am dimming more. We're coming in strong for incest, and that's something we can stand on here and I was apart. Okay, first verse he has been successfully and fairly like, controversially awarded. We got to
Starting point is 00:12:21 where we needed to quickly there. We are now moving on. Hot for incest, and yeah, we go from there. We got a musical number. One of the six of us said, yay, incest, and clapped. I don't remember. Could have been any of us.
Starting point is 00:12:33 It could have been any of us. I am left. I'm pro fictional incest. Wayload of season three. Exactly. Strong targ vibes. Next up, Van Lathan. What do you got?
Starting point is 00:12:48 The We Are So Back Award. Okay? I keep hearing everybody dancing on the grave, my beloved fan content. Who's everybody? Charles. And so I think that this was a year that demonstrated
Starting point is 00:13:03 that not only all. are we back, but we're on an upward trajectory going into 2020. Stop lying, bro. So not only are we back, we are so back. So back. I've never been so back. Number one, X-Men 97. A show that is critically lauded.
Starting point is 00:13:23 It's fantastic. We might get the second season, 2013. At some point, yeah. But so roundly loved by everyone that it has to be in the running. too, Agatha all along. A refreshing trip to the Witch's Road. I didn't expect to like it,
Starting point is 00:13:42 but guess what I loved it? Magic, they flew, they sang. It was like Thelman Louise mixed with hocus pocus and I dug that. Three, the Penguin. Look, Penguin, the show is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:13:58 It rose past my expectations at every single turn an invigorating trip into Rees' Gotham. Deadpool and Wolverine, and let me tell you why. Damn. Just the fact that it made so much money.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Right. Okay, we might not be back in terms of back. Quality. But the fact that the movie earned so much money means something. And the last one is the mainstay, the boys. The boys, is kind of the steady score.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Who would the boys be? Like, just a steady score. All the boys? All the boys are like SGA. SGA. Steady score. So all of those shows to me demonstrate
Starting point is 00:14:48 that we're still in the game. Nothing from Star Wars. Wait, can I add something from Star Wars? Please. The indoor trailer. Oh. Oh. Oh!
Starting point is 00:14:59 It's not an eligible, though. No. No. We should have a lot. We shall return. We are so back. I'm telling you something. Skeleton crew almost made it.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Almost made it. Joe, I'll start with you. What are you going for? Okay. Can you recap them for me? X-Men 97. Agatha all along. Penguin.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Deadpool and Wolverine, the boys. I think it has to be Penguin. Penguin? Because I think D.C. has been so hidden as much as I like the Batman, I think we were all a little worried and they're in there. this weird transitional space, and they really needed a strong win as we head into the gunverse. So Penguin, I loved it. Penguins good.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Mao. I agree. I think, like, part of what is inherent in the prompt is that we are voting for the studio or IP machine behind the given release, right? And so, in a way, this reminds me of, like, when a really loaded team has multiple MVP candidates, I feel like the Marvel's canceling itself out, whereas, like, what Penguin signals for our confidence in D.C. And that's hard to argue again.
Starting point is 00:16:05 So I'm going Penguin as well. Jones? I mean, if we want to do the We're So Back, if we want to use it literally, that I think the answer is Deadpool and Wolverine because we were like, yo, can superhero movies even make money anymore? Can they bring people to the theater?
Starting point is 00:16:20 And Deadpool and Marine did that in spades. You know, you can argue about the merits of the film, but it made a buttload of money. Yeah. And so I got to go with that based on the... the question you're asking. Steve Arena. I think,
Starting point is 00:16:35 salient points from Jomey, I think that like, in the sense of like something that came back that absolutely blew everybody away, I think X-Many-N-C-N-C-7 really, like, had something that
Starting point is 00:16:46 nobody really wanted to revisit or, like, had to, like, feel a need to come back for, and it absolutely became one of our favorite things of the year. But again, those MVP's kind of cancel each other out.
Starting point is 00:16:59 I think, again, something that, we needed to see from DC was something that was as strong as the penguin that absolutely knocked our socks off. I'm inclined to go penguin here. Wagon? Are you going to abstain?
Starting point is 00:17:16 Here's a thing, similar to the Academy voters, half of the shit I didn't even finish. The outer half, you know, I think in the spirit of positivity that I'm trying to cultivate in 2025. Yeah. Right. Everyone says that about you,
Starting point is 00:17:32 Chuck. There's a positive. There you go, Chuck. I'm gonna abstain. Oh, okay. No vote from Chuck. What?
Starting point is 00:17:40 What's a no vote of confidence? What, you know? Chuck, you got to vote. You got to vote. This category is basically that we are so over category for me. This will be the year that we encourage Chuck to do his job.
Starting point is 00:17:54 He doesn't. This has been the year that we encourage to Chuck. To watch. To watch. stuff and then talk about it. Come on, give me something. Okay, how about this?
Starting point is 00:18:06 Give me the best of the worst, Chuck. The cream of the crack. You know what's Shogun here. My vote would have been Shogan. Yeah. Or it would have been Dugan 2. So I'll tell you something. I can't do We Are So Back for Shogun and Dugan.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Because that's FX. FX. What about D-2? Dune 2. We were kind of its own thing. We were back with D'Ward. We rock with D'I. So this is We're coming back with. All right, so I got to go with Jomi.
Starting point is 00:18:27 If we're doing in the spirit of the award, you know, So, Deadpool and Wolverine was a mid. They ate a mid-made money. You know what I'm saying? Cap 4 are going to do it, so I'm going to go Deadpool and Wolverine. Now, why did you have to do that? Yeah. Why did you have to take that shot?
Starting point is 00:18:44 You know they're listening. Hey, I know they're listening. I'll tell you what. Jesus Christ. Why? You never come into the NEPA. Steve, what did you vote for again? Penguin.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Okay, we got to go with Penguin. Pinguin is the winner. And I'll tell you why, because to me, as much as we talk about the MCU and all of that stuff, and to quote my colleague, Chuck, who is right, it is in the dirt. But as much as we talk about them, I think that D.C. is building on a far shaker foundation. They need a win. They needed a win, particularly a television win after some of the shakeups. So I'm going to go with Penguin.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Pee when the winner of the 2024. We're talking about points. We're talking about points. We're so bad to give another great acceptance speech. Oh man, if only. Okay. I'm up next. My category is most
Starting point is 00:19:40 emotionally wrenching moment and it'll surprise no one to hear that I have prepared a few needlessly verbose testimonials on the activities. Everybody can stretch, take a sip of champagne. All right. First up, most emotionally
Starting point is 00:19:57 wrenching moment. Spoilers for very specific and sad things that happen in all of the properties we covered in 2024. From House of the Dragon, Maly's and Rainies, meeting their ends, dying at Rooks or S, but specifically the moment when they look at each other before they fall. In Fire and Blood, Georgia R. Martin Road. Get comfortable. I'm so glad to me have to quote. Why a House of Our podcast three hours well?
Starting point is 00:20:29 We shall not pretend to any understanding of the bond between dragon and dragon rider. Wiser heads have pondered that mystery for centuries, but I would pause it. Here today and on many hours prior podcasts, that when Maly's looked back at her writer in their final moments, Vagar's jaw, having snapped the coal and vibrant life from her neck, Amund and the Greens, bringing to fruition the promise of the pilot the only thing that could tear down
Starting point is 00:21:04 the house of the dragon was itself. We understood the depth and the poignancy of the truth. And we understood it not only through the spectacle of dragon battle, but through the blink and glimmer and fading glow of a fantasy story
Starting point is 00:21:22 and a fantasy world. Mallory, Adrian, Brody, Rubin. I have some gum that I tossed out right before this. We put it in a waste for septical. I put in a waste for septical. We're trying to beat Rush Hour. Get my eye on the clock there. Yeah, let's see it.
Starting point is 00:21:40 The penguin. Get ready. This one still hurts. Oz killing Victor. Now, we don't know what was going through Victor's mind as Oz Cobb choked the life out of him. But we don't know. know what was going through our minds. Well, no, no oxygen. Sadly, deprived of oxygen. We were thinking
Starting point is 00:22:03 of the bus that Vic didn't get on. The lock clicking into place on Oz's young brothers as they ready to drown and die. The moment in the bathroom in episode three when Oz put a gun to Victor's head and said, this would it feels like? Be in with me? And then eliminated it. every person in his life who he'd ever have to wonder that about. Do they feel that way about me? I can't bring you with me this time, Oz told Vic
Starting point is 00:22:36 before he killed him, but we will bring this memory with us. Next, Skeleton crew. It is here today. Skeleton crew. KB. Sweet KB. Sharing her zero friends
Starting point is 00:22:54 again, fear with Wim. Now, Skeleton Crew may have taken place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. And we can't relate to that exactly, but here are a few things that all of us can relate to. Everybody who watch that show. One, how badly you wanted to be a pirate at some point.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Two, how badly you probably want to fuck Jude Law. Sexy Daddy. Yeah. I mean, spot the lie. No one disputed the point. And then, of course, how badly we all fear at
Starting point is 00:23:26 some point voicing something that could threaten the friendships that buttress our lives and watching in a near-death circumstance on Lanupa, KB voicing her worry and knowing it wasn't about the micro-fused repair or the startling cold or the lack of a clear escape path, but about the tenuous nature of the relationships we all forge, beautiful and agonizing. Next. Venom the last dance. Hell yeah. I feel like I weirdly know what's going to win.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Your case, Joe, because I know where the other votes are going. Venom sacrificing himself for Eddie, a very silly, quite often, very poor movie that also somehow captured and summed up the depth of devotion and love more effectively than any other story this year. Venom may have melted humanity's foe in a shower of action. acid, but he cannot take this memory from us. And now, if we're in post-pro, we're getting the memories going,
Starting point is 00:24:33 and then we're thinking back, Justice. And he did. Beautiful stuff. And then finally, and I would like to apologize to Joe for mentioning this. No, I can't. I am wearing my gambit sneakers today. Remember it. X-Men 97, Remy's death. And I will leave it just at this.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Sugar, I can't feel you. I can't feel you. Okay, those were all really sad things And there were a lot of other sad things And other shows we covered It was an emotionally intense year Give me an example Of other things
Starting point is 00:25:05 Yeah Wait can we only, are we only nominating shows? Because I'm trying to Because there was more Because this is the sad shit But I was thinking to myself There was other sad shit There were some sad things in Agatha
Starting point is 00:25:18 I'm surprised while robot didn't Didn't make it The migration The migration shit had been crying I'm like bro If we had seen flow A certain blow Flow, that's almost like you can't signal,
Starting point is 00:25:31 I guess the breaking of the wing. And flow was actually unbearable, but all of flow is so emotionally around. Anything when the cat was in peril, I was just like, I can't. Second one. Very intense. Any other nominees from our sad year of content?
Starting point is 00:25:47 Oh, I have another one. You know, Doom 2 and Zendaya is looking at our boy Timmy at the end. She's like, I lost my boy. I was enraging. I don't know about sad You mean you tell me when he fucked over her Embarrass her for the home of people Is what you're talking about?
Starting point is 00:26:04 I don't have your daughter's hand I love you for as long as I breathe It's a real bookend of content this year With this crew because we saw Dune 2 together And we saw Vettom together Yeah Two of the most meaningful experiences That people could possibly share
Starting point is 00:26:17 There were a lot of sad moments Inrower but I know this is not a group That equally loves rings of power But there were a lot of sad rings of power I love Reza Power. When I'm having a tough night, I can't sleep. I turn it all. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Also, Joker 2. Shogun. Joker 2? Yes. Pretty much the end. What are you voting for? Joe. So it's most emotionally wrenching moment.
Starting point is 00:26:42 It's a me against four Jokers voting for Venom. I didn't say it. We didn't say that. We didn't say that. When it comes down to it. I just want to say, I'm going to just put this out there. Me least, I'm just going to, here's my,
Starting point is 00:26:54 my. My. mud-slinging campaign anti-Venem before we get started. Right. The biggest betrayal of 2024 is sitting all the way through Venom and the whole
Starting point is 00:27:05 movie Vans whispering my ear, this sucks, this sucks, I'm with you, I'm laughing with you, I'm laughing with you, I'm sucks, this sucks totally. And the rise of credit rolls, he turns to me, he's like, they did in the end, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, the whole thing was getting on my nerves. Top 10.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And then at one point, they started. cooking, man. They started cooking. I gotta be real. I was like, I can't. I started cooking. I agree? No way.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Joe, are you picking sweet remedy? That was a big moment in me and Joe's relationship. Because, like, me and Joe were basically on a date. We were like, you guys were all over here. We and Joe were at the end. We were having our own little thing, our whole little situation. At the end, she looked at me for reassurance. And you failed.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Yeah. Great film. So much like the betrayal of van to me at Venom, I got to pick Oz and Victor and Penguin. Because that is something that I actually did not see coming and was absolutely. Like the fact that the whole time Oz was telling us who he was and we still were like, but no way he'll do this. And then he did. And not only did he kill him, but he tossed his ID in the river and no one will ever know about Victor at all. and that like
Starting point is 00:28:26 absolutely destroyed me but did we not know who was coming anytime you know the girlfriend I did not anybody nobody nobody saw it I don't want to hear Charles I don't want to hear Charles
Starting point is 00:28:41 I'll just say anytime in a TV show or movie where the girlfriend is like hey yo join me on the bus you know that's horseshit if nobody saw it coming
Starting point is 00:28:51 it was great and you missed it I saw it on Twitter I can't put it We're going to vote for Venom because it's the only thing you saw out of all of these things. And that's... You saw Gambit die? Yeah, but...
Starting point is 00:29:04 I was genuinely moved when Gambit died. I was genuinely moved when Gambit died. We know we're coming back, though. But a shock that the end of the penguin was... The impact of the characters, you know, that's real. Yeah. I'll come back to Gambit. I'll say my gambit juice.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I feel like the penguin is going to be... This happens every Versies where, like, we have one property that wins a ton of categories. What was it? What was it last year? Was it Loki? Might have been Loki. This is Amelia Perez ass shit, I'm gonna be honest.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Wow. Wow. You could vote for Skeleton, Crow? You could? Your fame. Oh, I'm actually voting for Venom, one of the best superhero movies we've got in this decade. No one's gonna vote for the thing you guys all know on picking, which is Malyis and Rainies, huh?
Starting point is 00:29:44 Okay, so I can't vote for that. That was a little goofy, though. I tell you why, I tell you can't why. Wait, what a goofy? I can't tell you why. I can't tell you why. I tell you why. I tell you why.
Starting point is 00:29:54 I tell you why I can vote for that. Okay. She did it to herself. Yes. Because we had this whole conversation. Same begets sin begets sin. No, she did it to herself because her refusal to act when it was time to act and turn some motherfuckers into cinders. It's not her fight, though.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Made everybody. She killed her dragon. She killed herself. I won't hold against the character. A season one mistake on the part of the people who made the kill. That made no sense. Everybody survived. It didn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Burn them up. Remember when she just did not make sense. Remember when she stomped on like a bunch of innocent civilians? Lisions of small-to. Yes. That made no sense. I've repressed that I'm right. No one else giggled when she was like.
Starting point is 00:30:34 I'm going to go. No. No. It doesn't let you know. I got to go with venom. Okay. So are you actually voting for venom? So we have two venom.
Starting point is 00:30:41 You voted penguin. What do you guys voted for? Penguin. I'm going, I'm going penguin watching. Oh, shit. All right. I really want to pick Maly's and Rainies,
Starting point is 00:30:50 but I am inclined to go with the public here. I'm going to go with the penguin. I cannot believe that. y'all, I'm pissed. Let the record say I would have picked Maly's. I can't believe that y'all sold out Venham and Eddie at the end. It's so crazy. Brother, I wanted to jump off a bridge
Starting point is 00:31:05 when the movie ended, dog. Oh, wow. Because the despair was so right. You need to tell me that the final scene of Vennem and Eddie, that didn't work. No. It was great. Oh, excuse my mind. I'm going with Maly's
Starting point is 00:31:17 already. No. No. Okay. Next up, we have. As long as it's not bad. Charles. Yo, it's me.
Starting point is 00:31:29 Tuckles. All right. What do you got? I am presenting the most toxic couple award, you know, in a long line of nerd content.
Starting point is 00:31:40 They love throwing us some couples that you just, you hate to love and you love to hate. First nominee, X-Men 97, whatever the fuck was going on with Cyclops Gene and Madeline. That shit was terrible.
Starting point is 00:31:51 But also, messy. Who wouldn't? Peak mess. Yeah, man. Next up. Mark Helliar. Hello.
Starting point is 00:31:58 The clone of your wife. Wait, who's the Gemma in the X-Man? A whole bunch of spoilers. Gemma's Gene. So Helly would be Emma Frost. No, but Madeline. I don't know. We spoil the shit.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Anyway, show me. Mariko and Blackthorn. Those two crazy kids. Those crazy kids. Also, this one I put this in, especially for Jomey. Vi and Caitlin. That's messy. That's real messy.
Starting point is 00:32:27 It's, it was a great. That's so, oh, my days. I'm about to take this out because I can't have another penguin win, but Oz and Victor, goddamn, those two. Jeez. And then, last but not least, Renira and Damon House of the Dragon. Yeah. Did I miss any toxic couples this year?
Starting point is 00:32:44 Oh, man. They're pulling Wolverine. Oh, wow. They're interesting. They try to kill them to other toys. They don't know a wolf ring. They didn't know that's a toxic, though. Yeah, but like, that's the, that's the, that's the one.
Starting point is 00:32:54 How about Sauron and Kellebram? Oh, there you go. Yes. Yeah, Mr. Mouse. Oh, we're guys. Yeah, Anatar and Kelly. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Oh, man. Would they out toxic Cyclops Gene and Madeline, though? Bro, there was that scene at the, when Madeline and, Madeline and Scott are having a conversation in the head, she can come out like, hey, you're talking to your girl. Like, while I'm here, it's like, yo, I had a baby by her. Like, we kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, that's the mother of my child. That's the mother of my child.
Starting point is 00:33:23 I don't know what you want me to do. Also, Gene, Gene in one scene of... I'm voting for that. Yeah. It's a really good pick. Gene went straight to Wolverine's arms. I'm like, damn. I'll tell you, why he's like, no.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I tell you why it's really toxic, though. It's really toxic is the most toxic one because what do you expect? Like, how was I supposed to know? He was so... You couldn't tell the difference? No. No. Like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:33:47 It's like, how was I supposed to know? You're mad? Oh, it's going to get toxic. Because at some point, I'm going to stop taking the bullshit. And I'll be like, I know you're getting mad over nothing, right? You look exactly like you. And you got mind control powers. So, like, I'm completely at a loss.
Starting point is 00:34:02 This is, like, identical to your speech about the scene from Crash. It's true. So what I'm saying is, that's why it's toxic. Because I actually, this is the only one what I actually feel for the guy. Yeah. Vine and Caitlin is a good shot because they was doing too much. I don't know. It's drama.
Starting point is 00:34:23 It's great. I just kind of, it was doing way too much, but I got to go with Scott, Jean and Madeline. It was wild. Yeah, I'm going with that as well. Yeah, X-Men 87. This was going to be my take all along.
Starting point is 00:34:32 X-Men 97 really gave us that peak drama. Honestly, you could honestly put Wolverine and Morph because Morp was simply like a motherfucker. Man, Tiberian and Morph had something special. Tough scene. I believe in those kids. No, they can do it.
Starting point is 00:34:44 I mean, Remy, Eric and Rogue, too. Just a lot of things. Oh, Remy, Eric and Roe. X-Meney-N-Rose. No, it's dancing. That was great. We're dancing to Ace of Base with, like, crackles and like, just again. I understand why Remy crashed out.
Starting point is 00:34:59 You didn't want to do. Official shit. I went to imagine. Bro, imagine your girl been telling you I want to be with you. I do want to be with you, this and that. And then you spot her with another man's after he was whispering, nothing's on my ear. Touching.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Hot, hot taste. I'd take if it was me. Hell no. If I'm gamut, I'd still be alive. I'm not sacrificing myself. I would have been the end of the day. You're going to cry. You're going to cry over me and death?
Starting point is 00:35:21 That's what we're doing? Where was those fears in life? I'm going on my nino's shoulders. I'm leaving your notion. That's your problem. That's your. 100%. It's the hair.
Starting point is 00:35:30 It's the hair. Gagins from White Lotus season three. Both surprisingly jacked. Yeah. Jack. With Gagins, have y'all seen Gaggans and white? I have seen.
Starting point is 00:35:38 It's crazy. Amazing. What's going on with Gaggans, man? He's having it. They're done cold together. Gaggons will make a good medito, to me. Young Madnito,
Starting point is 00:35:47 Hot MacNito. Will Uncle Baby Billy take his shirt off in the new season of Righteous Jones? A hundred percent. He does actually. Fantastic. Yeah. Thwelling.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Genuinely. Joey. We're here. It's up to you? No, no. I'm with, uh... No, I already picked. It was actually in 97.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Okay. It's sideclops. It's Jean. It's your award. It's your award, Jim. It's my turn. You know, you guys know me. I love a little action.
Starting point is 00:36:13 I love to, you know, get physically active on, on this podcast. You, uh, you are... What are you? What are you? What is this? What is your? What? Now here's our tribute to James Bond.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Sorry, Joey. This is... I'm at dance. I'm at dance. Damn. Please say that first. Okay. Cursed James Bond.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Oh, yeah. On your watchwomen. Trying to big time us. He cursed his... He really did. Cursed James Bond. What? The next day they...
Starting point is 00:36:46 That's the next day. The next day. He sold out. I want to ask, Craig. They had a... They was doing propaganda. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business. They keep companies of all sizes connected with internet, advanced Wi-Fi, phone, TV, mobile services, plus 24-7 U.S.-based support.
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Starting point is 00:38:31 flu like symptoms, or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfairadio.com. Anyway, best dancing for 2024. Starting off with how it opened the movie. movie, Depple and Marine, the opening, the opening scene. Genuinely great. So it was a fun time. I literally in my head when it comes on at the gym, I like do the head bob sometimes, you know? Bye, bye, bye, bye.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Yeah, Bob, Bob, Bob. Can I see it in the gym? Insane, first of all. Insane, I watched the movie once, so relax. Wait, Jomey, can I see your headbub? You know, it's like, and then you, because you come to the sign and you do like this. You'd be like, the... What do you do, Steve?
Starting point is 00:39:24 Yeah, yeah. Can I do for that instead of whatever you have to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know what I'm saying? My second nominee, arcade, the Echo and Powder scene from episode 7, truly transcended. We talked about this. Yeah, that song is not great, though. The song's not great, but the moment.
Starting point is 00:39:45 It's very, very sweet. You were there in the theater with me, man. The crowd went nuts. Tell me that it means something to you. caught the hammer again. Brother, it was... In that theater. No, Joe, you're laughing.
Starting point is 00:39:56 We're not kidding. We're not kidding. We're not kidding. We're not kidding. I believe you. It's not cat. Oh, the misery. Everybody was going to be.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Number three. It's great show. Okay. We're going with Sonic 3 and the robotic dance. This is culture. It really is great. This is culture. With...
Starting point is 00:40:16 His running man was so crispy. Jim Carrey doing both roles, doing both dance moves, and killing it. Being an absolute superstar in that. Just an absolute bang out. Come on, man. He was doing his thing. We're wearing the shirt.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Got to talk about it. Vettom three. Venom and Mrs. Chen. I will be voting. That is great. Stopping the movie. End of an era. Stopping the movie.
Starting point is 00:40:41 To have a Venom and Mrs. Chen dancing. Not my favorite, but we got to have it in there. We got to have the discussion. Absolutely. And last, but certainly not least. from Wicked the ice lounge dance the
Starting point is 00:40:54 absolutely not absolutely not the little thing you know people were getting acting with that dance but not the like tender moment
Starting point is 00:41:02 between Glinda and Elvah and we talked about this on the podcast would have been a tender moment for me personally because I'm airing that whole place out you've been talking about like 60 minutes
Starting point is 00:41:11 now you want to get off sweet nah man that's not really how it goes I got all my arms here on one spot y'all all fit to fill this hammer wait a minute it's not so wait so let's go down Wait, you didn't pick the dance. You didn't pick the...
Starting point is 00:41:23 Which one is the Ice Lounge dance? The interpretive dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's sweet. No, not the, not the sweet part. What do you mean? He means just them like... Just them dancing and having a good time.
Starting point is 00:41:36 No, you don't mean... Not Elfabba doing it by yourself? No. It's not what I'm talking about Elfabah and, um... Glinda doing their little mismatched little... Oh, okay. So you are... Like, still part of that dance.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's all part of that moment. Right. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:56 How about this? You have my vote. That's what I voted for. Yeah, I vote for that too. I'm voting for both. Both votes vote for wicked. Eddie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:05 Am I crazy? Nobody else saw Sonic 3. I really loved that. This is good thing because I feel like without question, dance pool is like the most iconic dance thing that happened last year. It's at the Oscars. Yeah, at the Oscars. Like whether or not you had seen the film,
Starting point is 00:42:20 you saw it on TikTok or Instagram. But overall, it was trashed. Yeah. The dancing was? But overall, but overall, it went on too long. It was stupid and it was trashed. Oh, wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Somebody would be. No, no, no. I agree with that. I'm in the minority. I'm in a minority that didn't mind the movie as much as some other people who up minded. But the one times, the times that I do mind the movie is when the movie gets like.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Up its own ass. Goopy. Yeah. Like that. That was why. Proud Deadpool tradition. Yeah. Especially in the opening stretch in the film.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Oh, yeah. I would argue, I would posit that Wicked doesn't work without that, like, Glinda Elphaba moment. And I would posit that Sony's extended Spider-Man universe doesn't work with that. It didn't work. It doesn't exist anymore. So, it's not matter of the movie that killed a friendship. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:43:16 I'm definitely. It was a great. It was craving. You're right. Crayvon's game. Venom set it up. Can we start calling Craven a White Panther? White Panther?
Starting point is 00:43:27 Hell yeah. In Craven's White Panther? He got the blood of the lion. He got the blood on the lion. It's white Panther. Don't even lie. If Craven popped up in Black Panther 3, we would be going crazy. Craven.
Starting point is 00:43:37 The whole movie could be Black Panther versus Craven. With his quicksilver accent. What are you? I don't see that. I would also like to nominate. No. Whatever was happening in Madam Webb when they was in the fucking diner just dancing. Oh, just dance on the table?
Starting point is 00:43:56 I remember all that. I thought that was last year. That was like early last year. Yeah, no, it was. We got serious. And serial killers just running around and we're just going to dance on some tables. You know what happened? Dancing on the tables.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Oh, my. What are you ladies on? Gosh. Madam Webb, honestly, we should nominate it for Best Movie. It should have been there. There's still time. Yeah, you're not going to be serious. So we got two for Wiki.
Starting point is 00:44:18 We got two for Venom. and we got one for Sonic. The tiebreaker. I'm the tiebreaker. Here's the thing, right? You know, we live in a country that's based on democracy. Except it's not,
Starting point is 00:44:30 and so I make the decisions. Great. I'm going to Sonic, baby! Yeah! I mean, Chip K! Minti Q! The Minti Q! My goodness!
Starting point is 00:44:38 Y'all so whimsical. Y'all can't help the beatles. I love this. That's nice. What a nice moment that was for the Junior Mints. Okay, Steve, we're sticking with the Junior Mints. You are up next, and I will tell you in advance. that I have the most fervent objection
Starting point is 00:44:53 to the nominees in this category. Yeah, I figured that this was... I love this category with all my heart, but I figured that this is going to have the most room to grow as far as who we can nominate here. Most room to grow. Yeah, like... So, this is a great gesture.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Agreed. Heartthrob of the year. I'll start off with Gambit from X-Fent-97. The Cars don't lie. It's a cartoon. Remember the name. Cartoos can be hot. Oh, of course cartoons can be hot.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Absolutely, they can be hot. You ever seen animated Obi-1 Canobi? Debbie's, Debbie from Invisible with their hair down? X-977 starts with like, cum gutters on gambit. He's got his de angelo's back. It's true.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Yeah. What is going on? Second nominee. Everybody has a cartoon they want to fuck. It's fine. Second nominee, the entire cast of Arcane. Okay. Everybody's looking good in that show.
Starting point is 00:45:43 It sucks. Okay. It's really, really good. Next nominee. Mariko. Obviously. Shogun. Ah,
Starting point is 00:45:51 Arrigo, Sawha. So many things I could say. Many, please know. How many? Starry, so many. So many things I can say. Next thing I'll say is talking about a wonderfully toned back, Khmer from the Acha-Laid. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Many Jacinto. He was doing to pull us. Hot Sith Daddies. He had his whole life together out too. Yes. And finally, the stat from interview with a vampire. Okay. The vampire.
Starting point is 00:46:20 What about Mood? A blonde hair, season three. I know. Ineligible. In 2005. Next year, maybe. I know.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Fantastic nominees, however, two problems. One, Jude Law's Jod is not on here from Skeleton Crew. That's a shock. God the Rod. And a crime. Yeah. But. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:42 There's only one fictional character in front of whom I took 9754 cellars. last year. Okay, well, yeah. Craven? Yeah. Nah. I support you endorsing your man. When did that movie come out?
Starting point is 00:46:59 That came out this year. Or was it five years ago? Who knows? Wait, when did it come out? Craven is definitely added one. It came out the end of last week. So how are the abs not on here? I mean, listen.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I was more. A abs of Craven. There was all. First of all, I mean, I was with you. It was a very abs group. You don't have. Mother fucking Paul Atreides on this bitch. Paul Atreides?
Starting point is 00:47:24 Hard thaw? No. Hell no. Hell no. What? He's baby. Real? Wait, Jessica.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Can I submit? Kristen Liliotti and the Penguin? Oh, yes, you absolutely, mate. I would. Yellow dress. Yeah. I absolutely would. Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:41 Yellow dress. So me and not being on here is fucking crazy. You don't love someone that you are like. Fujisama. Yeah, Fujisama. Attracted to. I'm scared of at the same time. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:47:52 It's chimera. Obviously, it's chimera. Come on. Oh, it's obviously, Mariko. You guys. You guys have never watched interview with the vampire. It's Lestat. I have it.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Lestat's like, I watched season one. Oh, you guys. And Lestat. No, Lestat. Hold on. You guys can do whatever you want, but there's really no competition. Mariko is right there, the most beautiful, crazy. But Lestat, the whole show is oriented.
Starting point is 00:48:19 around how sexy he is every single word dude is dripping. Yes. I hear you guys? Looks great. To me, Lestat sounds like a nickname
Starting point is 00:48:30 for Victor Wemayama, so I don't really think that's one-month- I didn't come for any of your arcane stuff, so leave interview with the vampire alone. I'm just saying, I'm not familiar with it. Now that I've processed it,
Starting point is 00:48:41 that's pretty dope. Les stat, Lestat. We'll put the S on it? Yes, Lestat. The vampire Lestat is incredibly important. This is a literature, cinema,
Starting point is 00:48:51 great hair, great accent, great voice. But you have to watch that. You've got to see them. Yeah, the elegance, the New Orleans,
Starting point is 00:48:59 the whole deal. The way he's, the dandy. Well, he's French, but, you know, the whole nine. But it was only one
Starting point is 00:49:05 episode of television that forced us to power rank the most sexual things that one character said to another in the span of 30 minutes and it was the acolyte.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Mallory, if we had time to go episode by episode on interview with a vampire, That's true. Trust me. You would have found time for that. But like, he's like holding it in your hands.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Oh, I remember. I remember one of our best things. Mariko's so bad she saved Japan by herself. You know what I'm saying? Hyder is very important to me. He's the bad. He's very important to me. Yeah, he got naked and went into the water.
Starting point is 00:49:36 But the vampire listat is eternal. Literature. I feel like I haven't seen season two, so I can't comment on my stand. Can I say something about the vampire of the stat? Just real quick for people who haven't seen a movie. they go like, they talk to people who are like centuries old. And the only thing that they have in common is that they fuck Lestat. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Literally like centuries old, like, oh, Lestat, he's here. Like, yeah, he was my lover in 1320. Like, the whole nine, the whole thing is about it. Y'all don't watch interview with the vampire and it's pissing me off. I didn't know what I said, he really does. One dip. I'm still learning camera. You know what, we're in our own.
Starting point is 00:50:16 We got our own, what do you call it, group of vampires? Chauvin? Is it a coven? Can be. We got our own coven. I just want us to give the accolades something. I mean, look, is it, what we all with you? What is Kyme are the strongest thing the acolyte had going for?
Starting point is 00:50:29 Yes. Obviously, yes. Well, except, I mean, that whole episode, not the... Episode or a half. Not the shirtless out of the pool episode, but the episode before that. I'm not going to take it away from him. The niggle was lean. Okay?
Starting point is 00:50:40 He's running. He's taking his vitamins. He's got on his animal pack. He was laying people in really fun and exciting way. Three whole punch. He's doing this thing. He's doing this thing. I'm not going to hate on him. It was cool.
Starting point is 00:50:53 We didn't put the death of Jackie Lahn on... I will say, this is not a vote for Lestat, but that shit was on AMC Plus, and that motherfucker was so hot. Motherfuckers was tuning in. You know what I'm saying? Kamir didn't really have that juice, but he was very hot. You're right. I'm switching my vote.
Starting point is 00:51:09 The stat? You guys have compelled me. Yeah. I'm still on Marika. You about interview with Vampire. You about interview with Vampire and you about interview with Vampire. Are you? Well, Marika.
Starting point is 00:51:18 I'm just like, I'm just letting you know. It's a little weeby. It's a little weebe. I think here's the day. Everybody on this list. It's the weepable. Like it's crazy. It's like it's happening right now.
Starting point is 00:51:32 But she is about it. Hey, yo, Spotify, Bill Simmons, you know, Daniel X, send me to a Star Wars celebration. But weave it or not. Believe it or not. Believe it or not. I will say this about, like, I will say this. I will weave in a thing called him. I will say this.
Starting point is 00:51:45 When you first, when you're watching the show. watching the show and you see Mariko you go man I'm watching every episode it is my favorite moment genuinely my favorite moment of the Midnight Boys last year
Starting point is 00:51:59 was every episode of showgun you guys were like oh we need a season two we need a season two we need a season two spoilers Van was like we don't need a season two anymore okay Steve who's taking the category
Starting point is 00:52:11 we're very split here I believe I believe it's gonna be the stat we have one two three Mariko Sama, you will be avenged. Yep, this is going to have to be LaSat. It's crazy. See the man.
Starting point is 00:52:23 And now in the new one, he's got a hot pop song that's coming out. I know glam rock list out. I'm so exciting. Yeah. Good for Vick. That show is really, I was really, very good. Very good. It's a really good show.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Very good. Like, a really good show. Joe told me it was good. I watch, it's really, really good. It is not Louisiana. Is the second season on Netflix yet? No. which is maddening.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Okay, we are now moving from our custom categories into our three general awards. We've got best series, best movie, and best performance. Joanna Robinson, would you care to take us through? I'd be thrilled. I'd be so honored. And just let you know, we were not allowed to have overlap
Starting point is 00:53:05 and it was first come, first serve. Just so you know. And that was a painful. Just so you know what happened here. I'm already. I'm being able to June or Julia because of that earlier. So the first person to submit, to be clear, was Jomey. And he put dibs on Shogun.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Great stuff. Nigeria. Steve picked the penguin. Mali Rubin picked Rings of Power. Charles picked some anime stuff that I don't know. Y'all feel me out there. Adam loves that. You did?
Starting point is 00:53:43 It's the fact that you just had some anime stuff that I don't know. That's the right response. Van picked House of the Dragon, because I bet that was all that was left by the time we got there. And I originally picked X-Men 97, but I'm thinking I'm changing my vote to interview the vampire season two.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Because we were just on all the stats. But I did pick X-Men 97, even though Shogun was the only one that was taken when I put mine in, but I had gotten an email from a listener recently who was listening to our Top Moments Pod, and he was talking about how much he really to me absolutely making
Starting point is 00:54:19 an ass of myself talking about Gambit on that pod when I was like weeping about Gambit. It was beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. And he was like, I was surprised you didn't pick that as your number one. I was like, yeah, why didn't I pick Gambit as my number one moment on that pod? So I thought I'd do justice here, but now I've changed my mind and it's just going to be in the entire season two.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Tough. So, well, does anybody who didn't pick X-Men 97 want to switch their show to that? I would love to switch my show to X-Men. Just kidding. I don't think I would move. I'll switch my show to X-Men 97. Okay. Okay. So tough luck for House of the Dragon. And so I'm sorry, are the rules here that we're all going to try to come to a consensus on this?
Starting point is 00:54:57 It seems so. It's Shoggan. It's Shoggin. It's obviously Shoggan. You picked that first? It's obviously the one. Shoggan was the best show so much that I had to give my young bucks over here a lesson in Hollywood. They continue to say that, Shogun wouldn't be coming back. Well, no, the argument was it shouldn't come back.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Not that it would be. To Vance credit, every single week, he came on and said, guys. It's getting a season two. I agree. I agree. Nah, man. That did it happen. The show that prints money and then gives the studio a thousand Emmys, they're going to find
Starting point is 00:55:41 some way to bring, if they have to put Kat Williams in that bitch. They're going to find a way. To bring that bitch It's coming back. They still haven't finalized, finalize, finalize what they're doing for season two. They're still working on it. True.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Does everyone agree this, Shogun? Kind of, yeah. Yeah, it's easy. I will say this about X-Men 97, though. Mallory, do you want to make a counter? No, I was going to say, I don't necessarily think of Shogun as ringer-verse core, but also you guys covered it, so technically it is,
Starting point is 00:56:11 and I almost got kicked out of a hype draft for picking Gladiator, too. So what the fuck am I talking about? Yeah. If it's eligible for consideration, it's clearly the PIP. I think it's on the line. I think we probably will be, at least on the Midnight Boys, maybe, you know, Charles can speak to a suit. Like, expanding our horizons is the stuff that we cover.
Starting point is 00:56:27 It's not. To stuff that Charles actually watches? Well, yeah, because we've got to make sure. We'll be watching a lot of. And I love that for you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Charles finishes. We'll have Weeb Corner.
Starting point is 00:56:40 Weeb Wednesdays. Yeah. But, but, like. Great show. Great show. Fantastic. X-Men 97 though, like, forget about my co-host. X-Men 97 still just destroys me with what it was able to do with those.
Starting point is 00:56:57 I think what X-Men 97 did to like, it obviously gets back to your category, but where we, you know, didn't pick it for this. But what that did to restore faith in the nerdverse, I think, can't be. For sure. It was incredible. And it'll be held up, like, whenever something gets a reboot and we're always like, we don't want it, we don't need it. And someone goes, ah, but what about Mad Max? very row and you go, okay, I would also add what about X-Men 97? I didn't think I wanted it.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Yeah. Charles didn't want it, but I loved it. So, you know. Alien Romulus. What are we doing? Charles, care to take us through best movie. Oh, yes. Once again, Jomi got here first. This was the, I mean, we felt it in a few of these categories, but is it fair to just say
Starting point is 00:57:35 every single person would have picked Dune? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Whoa, I didn't even read the rest of them. Yeah. Damn. All right, Jomey did get to this category first. Best movies. Jomi, you nominated
Starting point is 00:57:48 Dune Part 2. Mow, you nominated Flo. Yeah, gladly. Joanna had the substance. Steve, alien Romulus. Charles nominated Joker 2. Just kidding. Wicked.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Van. Kingdom of the Plain of the Yates. And I'm just going to be honest, it was a tough movie year. This is really tough. God damn. In terms of fandom, in terms of art,
Starting point is 00:58:13 in terms of, in terms of, There's a lot of great movies they carry by. Yikes. Like there's Dune 2 and then there's everything else. It's a steep call off. Nobody did put Deb Puckold. Nobody picked that tool. No. Interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Oh, Deadpool can't fuck with Dill 2. Dill 2 is so much better. Let me tell you what we did, Dune 2 is the pinnacle of like, yeah. I think I put the substance in because I was coming out of that group chat that we were in that people were shit talking to substance and I was like, I have to show up for the substance.
Starting point is 00:58:39 A movie I did love. But is it anywhere near Doom Part 2? No. Lisa no, this is awesome. Let me tell you what. Shout up to Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. I genuinely really liked that movie, and I think I'm kind of, like, I don't think there's ever been a bad one since the circus days,
Starting point is 00:58:56 and I'm surprised at how one without circus at, like, the creative helm of that really pulled off. A great story. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. Can you got something about doing to it? For Doom Messiah, should they shift the release to a Christmas release? I think so. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:14 I think, well, the only reason that they did that this time because it was because there's a strike. Yeah, part one came out in the fall. I know, but like, do they need to, because. This was too far away, certainly. Christmas, October. October, November. They can't do this.
Starting point is 00:59:27 They can't do this again. It should be a Thanksgiving release. Like, the movie. It's got to come out in the fall. The movie was such a gigantic deal. Yeah. And then it was a whimper by the time we got to award season. You forgot about it.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Yeah. I'm like, I just don't understand because I feel like we were talking about it. And like, they were promoting it. They were doing work to promote it. I don't know what happened. But Sean Fentasy, our guy, put up a good tweet last night where he was talking about how, Doom Part 2 won basically the same awards
Starting point is 00:59:55 that the Two Towers won. So, Return of the King time. I'm just telling you that Doom Messiah is way weird than returning to the time. To think that that's going to be the Return of the King moment for Dune Messiah is nuts. Timmy, your Oscar's coming. Worm, man.
Starting point is 01:00:12 That's not Worm, man. Worm, man. Baby stuff. Well, the book came out like 195. So we can't talk about Worm, dude? We can't talk about the little, Paul, too, when he stands on two feet. I do just want to say that Flo was one of the best movies.
Starting point is 01:00:26 It was an amazing movie. And even though I would have picked Dune Part 2 if I'd gotten to the doc earlier, I was happy to write down Flo. Beautiful film. So there was no movie that was on the same level of Dune 2. I know the answer is probably no. In the nerd verse?
Starting point is 01:00:39 No, no, no, no. It's a number world. It's not the thing that it's not of the same level. It's not even in the same, like, stratosphere. It's saying, yeah. Doom Part 2 is my favorite movie of the year, period. It's probably, yeah. That's the thing that's interesting about it.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Not a complete unknown. I would go, Doom Part 2, Flo, Complete Unknown is my top. I still think of, I know. Anora, like, Enora is real. And Nora. Sing, Sing is really up there for me. I really like Conclave. I like Conclave.
Starting point is 01:01:05 Conclay rules. Ray finds the greatest love of my life. I audibly gasp and they broke that seal. Great movie. Can't do that? You can't do that. Well, I have a Nosferatu. Y'all just forgot about it.
Starting point is 01:01:15 I love Nosferatu. I was not there for that. NussFratu. My NCOA list didn't cash for that. Nah, that's what y'all. Y'all got it. It's funny movie. You like Nosephirotu?
Starting point is 01:01:24 Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Vampire shit. That's cool. You love a vampire. I do a little vampire. You love a vampire. You love a rat?
Starting point is 01:01:31 You love a prospective penis. Could that have gone on a heartth of the year? For Noste. Bill? Yeah. With the mustache and then the holes in his back? fire in his where? The hole in his back.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Okay. It's time for the final. So Doom Part 2, yes? Yes. I think he was easy. Time for the final award. Yay. Of the Verses.
Starting point is 01:01:54 And it is best performance. Van, would you care to take us through the nominees? I will do that. First of, the love of our life. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Add us awai as Toto Moriko and Shogun. Colin Farrell. I didn't know what to say it like that. Oswald Cobbopat and the penguin. That's from Johnny.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Quartz. Captain Hahn. As Agatha Harkness. And Agatha all along. Smile. Javier Bardem. Stilgar. Liza Agahee!
Starting point is 01:02:25 Liza Aghaee! Liza Noggi! I actually like it when he does it. I like it when he does. Which Liza Agaib is better? Is it the... It's the post duel. Is it the throw away?
Starting point is 01:02:35 It's the post deal. It's the Amazon Aga. It's a Lizaa. A.J. La Casillo. LaCasio as Gambit. It's a very gambit heavy pot to. I like this. We're nominated
Starting point is 01:02:49 that. That's me. Van. And the last one is a pander from the gods. It's not. I really thought about it. It's like great nomination. The last one is
Starting point is 01:03:03 George Laforge. I like that. No. No. No. No. You haven't seen it. Steve. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. This is a pander. This is a panda.
Starting point is 01:03:15 Yeah, I saw Transformers 1. By the way, I like Transformers 1. I love Transformers 1. Really, really good. That was a great movie. It was a movie. It was a movie. It is a panda.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Really good. This is a pander. Brian Tyree Henry as Megatron, who no one has talked about all year for anything. I'm talking about it now. And Transformers 1. You and I were just talking about it. Oh, we did.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Clear out for Transformers 1. I love the Transformers 1. Fantastic film. That last hour was like unbelievable. That's like sensational. What was like, we were like, Once they leave the city, it makes you forget that a lot of this lore you know it. They literally turn Megatron and Optimus into Charles and Magneto from X-Men.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Just two like protagonists on the opposite. If we're going to be real, Optimus Prime is fucked up, okay? He's the fucking man. In that movie? In that movie. Why? His pop, come on. You want to keep the monarchy.
Starting point is 01:04:12 You know what I'm saying? Megatron is trying to free your brothers and sisters. You out here just trying to keep the status quo. Fuck off. But it always happens. That's how we always look at it like that. And then they always do some fuck shit. Because I'm watching, I'm watching, because we think about Killmonger,
Starting point is 01:04:30 but then we don't really talk about what actually happened in the movie. Like, Killmonger was the one and it was cool. Then he burned all the hard shape earth and choked the woman. I'm like, we can't fuck with this guy. You know what I'm saying? which this is the CIA messaging that they put in the movies but like we can't fuck with this guy and like even and even
Starting point is 01:04:50 and even in Transformers 1 yes I was more on the side of Megatron but then he started fucking over people I was like god damn Megatron all right so who is it? Guys we don't have Timothy Shalame as Paula Trini's on here that's weird well we're saving it for our
Starting point is 01:05:06 Paula Fame podcast okay yes so this is what I'll do that this is what I'll do Duke of Iraqis so this is what I'm going to I'm going to take off A.J. Locasquil as Gambin. And I'm going to go, I got to give some love to Paul Atreides. My only problem with Paul was a couple of times when Timmy was yelling, I really didn't feel the basis. No, he had a basis.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Which is crazy. Timmy of Versi in the mail. It would make it for the fact that he didn't wear. Maybe better. Yes, I do think that. You're like, this is your Dune Oscar. I'm voting for Timmy. Guys, Crimson's Guy was one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Really good. And it's why. Where did Mariko? Anna's the Y. She was incredible. I love you for as long as I believe. You know what? I got to be honest to you.
Starting point is 01:05:52 I'm going to vote for my white savior. Timmy Chalemay, Paula Trades. I know y'allelowellate. I know y'all love it when I say that. Leading the brown people to independence. You're voting for him over Silgar, who's been here? Stilgar is still the funniest. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:06:09 A generation, bro. I would take a whole Stilgar. Like prequel, bro. If we had a category for best meme, we could have gone with Stilgar. That was a great meme. Some great memes. Some great memes. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Oh, right. Yeah. Man, if you needed a number two, what would you rather have, Fujisama or Stilgar? Oh, no. Fuji Sama. For sure, bro. She got that thing on her, too?
Starting point is 01:06:31 Come on, bro. What are we picking? Timmy? Is it Timmy not the best actor in his own movie, though? Anna's the White. Who was better than Timmy? Swait to Honessa Wye. Anna's the Waza? Is real?
Starting point is 01:06:46 Anna's Hawaii. I'm going in. All right. Great. Okay, strong showing today from Shogun and the Penguin. Yeah. Yes. Dude, fucked once again. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Jimmy fucked once again. Timmy properly fucked. He's got time. He's got a great career ahead of him. He will be one of the greats. He's going to compete. We're being real. We be a real.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Everybody needs to stop acting like Timmy's a fucking make a wish kid. He's doing just fine. He's doing just fine. Jesus Christ. He's thriving. He's doing this day. He took a couple of public else. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:07:20 Like, you get up there, you lose. You go to all the awards shows. He handled it with Grace. Adrian Brody, Adrian Brody, Adrian Brody, Adrian Brody. He got the SAG. He got the SAG award, dressed in all leather, and then talked about how he was going to be
Starting point is 01:07:32 one of the greats. I just think it's a good message. Timmy put down the do-rag and the Travis Scott mixtapes and shit like that. You didn't like when he was in Paris? Yeah, no, dog. Just act yourself. Just be yourself, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:43 There's a E-Woop in New York. There's trajectories. There's a trajectory that leads Timmy to be the next Leonardo DiCaprio. Okay. But then there's a trajectory that leads Timmy to be the next Shilabuff. I'm telling you, he's not in close to Kyle. I don't see that for our guy. I love Timmy.
Starting point is 01:08:04 What in the holes are you talking about? I love Timmy, but I'm saying. What in the peanut butterfellican are you talking about? Timmy would be great to transform him. Timmy. Timmy would never rent out of theater in New York to watch his own movies. Whenever something. Do you want to do it to watch the Knicks.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Camming it up and going crazy and I'm the super cool and all of that, it just bothers me. He's a 29-year-old kid from Brooklyn, man. All right. Thank you. Friday, 29. It's the fucking 30-year-old man. It's like, shout out to Timmy, man. I love Timmy.
Starting point is 01:08:35 I love Timmy. It's just, you know. But he's no Anna's-A-Y, and I think we can all that. No, Arise-I. Okay. Mercy is. Yay. Thank you to our Verses Academy.
Starting point is 01:08:46 Thank you to everybody for your categories, for your votes, for the thoughtful discourse about a number of important topics and ideas. Thank you to our wonderful Versi's team running the production today. We know it's hard to do an award show broadcast. Thank you to Arjuna. Thank you to Alea. Thank you to Kerm. Chuck, take it away. The Verses were a success.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Shout out to the writers and the mob. And once again, an award show had Dune 2 Rob.

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