The Ringer-Verse - The 2026 Versies Awards | House of Midnight

Episode Date: March 14, 2026

House of R and The Midnight Boys team up to bring you the 2026 Versies Awards and celebrate all the highs and lows of fandom content from 2025. Intro (00:00) Best Visuals (04:52) Best Line (12:35) Best Character (19:19) Saddest Moment (26:10) Best Music (34:15) Best New Character (42:35) Best Director (49:03) Best Showrunner (53:28) Best Movie Performance (56:48) Best Show Performance (01:02:14) Best Movie (01:14:29) Best Show (01:21:13) Hosts: Mallory Rubin, Van Lathan, Joanna Robinson, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zeneris, Carlos Chirigoba Editors: Jamie Yukich, Stefano Sanchez, John Richter Editorial: Craig Gaines, Helena Hunt, Jack McCluskey Graphics: Neil Francisco Studio Production: Jacob Cornett, Kevin Cureghian, Chris Thomas, Chris Wohlers Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to the 2006 Verses, the sixth time. Somehow the sixth time that we are doing the Verses. Think your fifth and our sixth. The fictional award show that we do around actual award season to celebrate the nerd culture highlights that we loved and that the listeners and viewers of our various nerd culture podcasts loved. The Ring of Verse family is here today. The Midnight Boys, Poo, Poo! Who are here? Dan, Jomi, Steve, Charles, House of ours here?

We don't have like a fun sound effect. It's just pages turning and then a really long runtime. Joanna! This year, we are going to explain the categories that we will be toasting this year and the new and evolved voting process. Wow, yeah. Right after this. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms,

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Malar, you just made democracy sound so sexy. And you got to wait for it. Thanks. But you know how democracy dies. In darkness? Oh, God. Oh, man. Okay.

No, we're thunderous applause. That's not what, is that what the language? Yeah. Padmay is with us always, even though that wonderful film that's important to some members of this panel is not eligible this year. Because at the 2006 Verses, we are celebrating 2025 releases. releases. Okay. So that is the first.

Look at this. Should we toast? Cheers. Yeah. It's like a little hilarious. Here. 20205. What a time to be a nerd.

I mean, it was actually, are you sick? Are we doing it? I'll do this. That's the classic man. Like, how close can you get to me? All right. Here's how it's going to work. We have champagne.

We have trophies. The entire team has killed it, setting up the wonderful set we have here. some fancy montages. It's going to be great. We have 12 categories today. Everybody has actual tangible physical envelopes because it's the physical media era. Yes. Yes. Okay. I'm prepared. Sean and the Blu-ray boys are not with us today. And yet we have something that we can hold in our hands. This is like the first time you've said that on a podcast I've done with you this week.

Yeah, probably, even though we've only done three podcasts this week. It might be the fifth time I've said it. We will reveal the categories as we go through. Everybody will be celebrating various things today, and we opened up the voting in advance to the public. So if you're tuning in for this pod, you might think this is all a surprise, but you might already know what the categories are because you might have voted on them. The polling was up this week before we recorded, and that means that we will be revealing for each of the 12 categories two votes. Interesting. Our vote, this esteemed panel of nerds. And then the voting from this esteemed panel. democracy

And then the midnight riders the bad babies the button mashers voted on the ringer.com What a great website on Instagram

on Twitter, on YouTube and so we will be sharing the opinion of the public. Will we agree? Did we agree with each other?

Are there going to be some controversial ties? How will we be litigating that in real time? We don't know. We didn't solve that part before we recorded. We're going to figure it out in real time together, and I'm sure that will be fine. Any questions before we begin, which is going to basically be, here's the category, then you guys are going to get to see some clips, a little highlight package, right? Sean likes to complain that there are no clips anymore in a worship show. The Verses is here to appease that need and that concern. And then we're

going to have a little bit of a discussion to remember, to luxuriate in this near-term nostalgia. Then we're going to hold up the envelopes and say what won. That's it. I'm going to be done. We'll all go home, except for Carlos. Who's going to say that at it. Shout out of Carlos.

Let's get the energy up in this world. What the hell is going at right now? Christ. All right. First category, Van Lathen will be presenting. What do we got? Woo! Woo!

The 2026 veris Everyone's tight We are so excited for the verses Don't think of this shit, dog What? I gotta bring it up Bring up what? It's right there. Oh, oh, best movie.

No, no, no. Best visuals. This is best visuals. Okay, this is an award. It's a prestigious award for the best visuals of 2025. Now, we saw some really, really brave and ambitious altars, really put their visual styles onto the screen.

And now we're going to give you guys a short montage of some of the nominees. All of the nominees. All of the nominees. Best videos. Best videos. Of 2025. Ojuna, take it away. Ash attack on the wind trainer here.

Arana. Take you on. Dinitsu, Seventh, Demon Slash. The black hole chase scene. Fantastic four first steps. Final playing chase slash fight. Mission impossible, the final record. Best visuals.

Look at that. Best visuals. Love a montage. Love a montage. Amazing fact. Let's take everyone behind the curtain. Avatar Fire Nash almost not nominated for anything until Mallory stormed the nominees. We listen, we want everyone to stay for the entire award show until the very very

when we have some of the biggest awards. But there's a lot of overlap between categories. I actually nominated Avatar. Kurt of the Quartzstein, getting high. I'll say this. I support that.

Number one, I really do think that my ability to read it like they do with the Oscars was very, I think everyone should do that. I'll just say that. But secondly, I think that Avatar there's, we've now kind of boomeranged around on the Avatar stuff.

How so? Just like the Timothy ballet comment to where it started off. Explain we. We, just like culture. Like now Avatar is overhated to me. To me now it's overhated. It's absolutely overhated. It's overhaired.

You know, people still like it's, and now everybody says, it's cool to hear it on Avatar. It's fun. It's fun. Middle hour of the way of water? Magical. Middle hour is it the first hour or the first half hour? No, the middle hour, the hour in the middle of the three-ish plus. When you're just swimming with Paiaccair in the way of water, wonderful.

But that's not the movie we're talking about. We're talking about Fire and Ash, which is also a movie that existed. Yeah, this is a good category to celebrate some other films that aren't going to be represented in the rest of the award show. In any category, it should be in this category. Yeah, we got Mission Impossible in here. Demon Slayers here, that's thrilling. If we were doing best visuals. Fantastic for.

Which we are. For Mission Impossible. Would it be that or would I feel like the submarine scene actually had better visuals? This was more exhilarating to watching the theater because you're like, how did they do this? The submarine scene was like really cool. Did you nominate that? I was about to say, you know,

we all had the opportunity to nominate things, and I'm pretty sure you did not. I would argue. I'm just saying, if you were going to nominate one thing, then I would do this. This is definitely going to ask. This is more of like a bigger spectacle.

I know that I like, I think I prefer in terms of action the submarine sequence because it's like really tense and like, oh my God, he's like going to drown. But then he's, he's, I'm from plane to plane, man.

You can't really beat that. See, I think it's the opposite. I think in this scene, that's much more tense because, you know, it's a real plane and stuff like that. But, like, when you go back and you watch him

under the water, like the depth that you're seeing, he looks like he's in the ocean of space. The ocean of space. All right, here's a little war goes to. Is there any kind of drum roll or situation like that?

Okay. Best visuals. I just want to say the craft that went into this. This is the stuff. It's incredibly amazing. The entire team did an amazing job. So there's two winners, our winner and then the fan winner.

There you go. Yes. That's podcasting because I was just going to read the shit. I know. Our winner is, is this a three-way tie? Three-way tie. Did we have a two-two-two? Damn.

Oh, wow. Chaos at the top. What does it say? What's it say? Ash attack. It's a N2-7th form and the black hole chase. So three-way tie. That's so fucking weird.

Good that we spent the entire time talking about Mission Impossible. Right. What the fans say? The fans said, Black Hole Chase, Fantastic Four First Step. Wow. Fantastic Court. We don't have to pick that as the win, though. We can.

We can. Are we deciding between the two? I feel like the fans get to decide. Yeah, the fans should break. I mean, the Black Hole Chase was amazing. Incredible. It's the best thing I humbled me. I voted for Avatar.

Tough look for Demon Slayer, man. all that money, all that term. I think Demon Slayer would be a very worthy winner here. It's a very worthy. I will say that when I voted on Twitter, which was a while ago and who knows how many,

I know that more people voted on the website. But Mission Impossible was winning by a country mile, and I was shocked. Twitter rides hard for Mission Impossible still. The cruise heads, the Scientologists are out on Twitter. I wonder why they're still there. Interesting. Are you accusing the team of Cook in the books?

You think there was some? No, I know there was like many platforms to vote on. It was. I forgot about the Black Hole. Fantastic Four scene. I'm not going to watch. It was great. It evaporated from my mind.

That was my first nominee. Really? But I'm thinking about the vision, I'm thinking about visuals and sitting in the theater and IMAX and I'm like, that was a scene where in that movie I was like, oh man, we're cooking. Now did the movie continue that momentum? No. No.

But in that moment, I was like, this is a Fantastic Four film. Fantastic Four has a Versi now. Yeah. It does. So that's something. So, you know. That's right. Damn.

Sorry, Suicide has an Oscar, I should say. Are we presenting the trophy in any way? Are they just sort of here for decorative value? Right. We'll be accepting this on their behalf. Yeah, we'll accept it on their behalf.

We'll be here. We'll be accepting this on Vanessa Kirby's behalf. Always. That goes to Julia Gardner. Please. I'd like to be. Real. It would be one degree removed

from Vanessa Kirby, if it all possible. I would like to thank Kevin Figey. I like to thank Pedro Pascal, continue to live your life. I'd like to thank everyone that was involved in making this, my agent, everybody over at WME, Ari Emanuel, everyone. We all did this together, but I'm going to take this home for the entire cruise. Thank you guys.

There we go. Question for you, before we get to the next category, you have won an actual Oscar. You've won an Academy Award. What do you think is more meaningful? Receiving an Oscar or receiving an honorary Versi here? I think the Versi is way, way ahead. It's not even close.

This is a big deal. Right. Big deal in the industry? Yeah, big deal in the industry. They're fewer of them. Yeah, exactly. They're not fewer. They're, yeah.

They'll be given away. Will we do 24 next year? I'll tell you something else. I'll tell you something else about the Oscars. Tell us something else about the Oscars. They were giving them away in the 50s. Like for frees? The 40s, I'm saying.

Anything that was giving away back then, it's kind of dubious. Interesting. The versy started in the woke era. Are you saying that? Which means we're more diverse, more cutting edge. Better. A lot of things that we have over. You're saying that the Bill Russell's MVP's are all garbage?

I'm saying that anything happened in the 60s? when TV was black and white, I got to be skeptical of it. It's fair. Like, let's believe it. Well, it's 100. Just not. Okay.

The next? Nope. Nope. Next category. Where's the document? Where's the document? You have it. You have it in your phone.

It's in, I believe your email, your Google Drive, and your text messages. Oh, okay. I apologize. That's good. All good. Our next category.

This isn't going to be an interesting one. Best line. Hmm. And because this montage features audio as well as beautiful riveting video, I will not say what thing. I'm sorry. I want to apologize. I'll do it for my next category. But we've got to be able to hear them say the lines, right?

Okay. Carlos, can we see the best line nominees? Mr. Strawberry says fuck off. They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation. Because I love you. You are afraid. In a way you understand.

Thank you for the pain because it got me. Oh, shit. Just once again, honestly, an incredible field, an incredible field of nominees. Yes. Incredible field of nominees. Kip's stuck in there, bro. We had Andor up on that screen.

What I mean? I'm really curious about, so like, not to spoil things, but like, andor will be well represented today. Yes. Likely. Sinners will be well represented today. Yes. Is this a category to,

honor another. But like, do you think the fans came through for The Last of Us, which is another like potent nominee here? He astonished if the Andor line does not win the fan vote by like 90%. I will say I voted for Joel. I voted for the Last of Us line. I know you nominated that. I just think that is, this is our opportunity here to get Last of Us in the mix. We're going to have a lot of places to celebrate Andor justly and rightly so. A bumpy season is gorgeous. That moment was incredible. That moment is perfect. And it kind of encapsulates what we love about the Last of us. an important show in our universe, an important game in our universe,

at its best. So that's why I would make the case for... The only problem with that is that the show sucked this time. And so it's not entirely. It's not going to win the best line. Best season. Best line. It's not going to win whatever.

And Russ got the MVP for the triple double, you know, despite the fact that were a 7C. Yeah. It's kind of like that. I get it. I guess what I feel like is, and you guys are all making, you know... It's not even nominated in Best Show.

Spoiler. You watched it and you said, wow. Win. Just now in real time. He said, He said, wow. That was garbage. That was a real time.

That was a memory. But I also believe in the kinetic force and energy of an artistic. I like to see when somebody sweeps, right? Oh, yeah, sure. I like to see. I want a full and or. I want a full and or turn to the king. I actually agree with this as well.

I'm at war with myself. I don't like it. This is a sports fandom. We love a dynasty. Yeah, we love a dynasty. Yeah. I like to spread the love around. He was jollin right there, though.

That's son of a bitch. Listen, Petter Pascal had a bump a year, I would say, in terms of his property. and we're a little worried about, I'm a little worried about Mando and Grogu. But what if he got back to back? Verses. Verses. Fantastic four and the last of us.

Oh, wow. He's nasty. He's Pascal in, baby. Joe brought it up. Joe brought it up. So don't, don't accuse me at bringing it up. You said he was ugly. That's what you said.

I see what I'm saying. I never said that. I never in life said that. Okay. So this is the deal. Pedro Pascal was like, in a prime position to legitimately take over Hollywood with the amount of things that he had dropping,

TV, film, all of that stuff. Did it happen? No, but what I will say, what happened to The Last of Us, not his fault, because everything that he did in last of us... All the Joel stuff was great. You could say he was the best part of that season. Fantastic Four, wildly miscasts, I think of Fantastic Four. Eddington, he was graded.

But, you know, fantastic. Materialist? I would even say that's not so. I thought he's miscast. He might have been, but the script also didn't work for me either. He can't do everything, but what he does really well, no one does as well.

That's the thing. We want him to do everything when maybe he really should just be doing his thing. Remember, now you guys are going to listen. See, this is how I know the childful of shit. I said that he was miscast and materialist and the three of you guys were like, oh, my boy. And I said that.

She said, Rayjo Pascal ain't that hot. I would say, in that role, in that role, you needed like a like a breathtaking. young Richard and then people got mad at you. Yeah.

Anyway, Indefensible. Let me ask a question that is germane to this category. Any really memorable lines of dialogue that you guys think are missing from the final four nominees? I can't believe.

Anything better than Mr. Surreveh says? I can't believe that made it in. That was my nomination. I did not expect it to make it into the final. I got to say. Another little bit of a spoiler for the verses. Alien Earth,

very well represented. Well, there was one nomination that needed to be in here. Yeah. Certainly. I had a sneaking one from Daredevil Born Again, which was Punisher's indictment of the proud boy fanboys. I'm not playing cupcake with these fanboys. I'm chopping them up.

I really love that sentiment. It was kind of a great episode of him kind of indicting all of the iconography that's been misappropriated throughout his character. And it's kind of great. I love that line. I'm happy with the K-pop team 100 representation. Charles cannot be more disgusted. It was just seeing it after like Andor. It was a little bit like.

It's a good line from a great song. Is it what you voted for, Steve? You're going to reveal your vote? Should we reveal the entire? Let's go. Read those winners. Read them winners. Look at this.

Wow. This is wonderful. Okay. Best line. Perhaps unsurprisingly, and or won the ring of verse vote. Right. They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation.

I'm glad we talked about some of the other nominees. That is a very worthy winner. That was my number. Super real. And guess what? That also won the fan vote. We have a sweep. We have an Andor.

Sweet begins. Dan, would you like to accept the Versi on behalf of this wonderful line from Andor? I would like to thank this on behalf of everyone over at Lucasfilm. Kathleen Kennedy, we still believe in you, girl. Like Dave Filoni, everyone, George Lucas. Tony Garoy, maybe.

Ninety-seven, I walked into a theater as a child, and I came out forever transformed by what you were able. will to do, sir, and I stand here as a testament to your legacy. Every line I deliver is in deference to you. We love you, George. Thank you, George. Skywalker sound. We love you guys.

And we're always thinking about the gore. Yeah. Always. Oh, yeah. We are the gore. Should we sing? Rest and peace. We are the go.

No? Not again. We are the gore. There we go. Thank you, Jomey. And fittingly, it is now your turn to present a category. What do we got? Best character.

Okay. This is from, actually, because it's weird because we also have best new character, even though one of the nominees is kind of a new character, but it's fine. It's all fake. Our category's got a little blurry. Every one of the show is fake, by the way. Sometimes the rookie of the year can be the MVP. Do you know what I'm saying?

It happens. Sometimes someone's in the supporting category and you're like, oh. You know, category, it happens. We'll call the Sabrina Carpenter new artist. You know how many times? Is it happens? Yeah. I'm listening to music for 10 years.

How are you the best new artist? Does that make sense? Here are the nominees. Elena Belova. Oh, wait. Hang on. Assignment is complete. Yeah, look, I don't know how things are done here in...

Boy Cavalier. In the future, where I live, we move fast and we make trillions. The Tinian Codex was forged 2,000 years ago on a planet where site was considered a disability. What are you going to do if I wasn't here? anything I had to Elijah smoked more and Elias Stackmore sinners

This is exactly what's going to happen That's the Oscars There's two real candidates here Stackfield This is an incredible Stalkfield Yeah Claya versus smoke your stack

It's tough It's real tough It's smoke and stack That's like two Yeah right Right Let's talk about how awesome Clay is

Man the Clayah stuff Because she kind of takes you by surprise, especially in the first season. Yeah. You're really like, it's loothed and heavy. She's there. She's helping. She's like a great character in her own right in that season. Then in season two, they take it up a notch and tearing it up by 12.

Sovereign time. It's clever time. It's just incredible work by the actress. Just like, again, you have Diego Luna. You have Stellan Stars Guard. Like you already have powerhouse people in that show. And for her to be there and not only take up the amount of space that she did, but also do it in a way that you're watching her. like this is a powerhouse performance

with all those other actors. It's just incredible. It was amazing how the show took Luthon, who was kind of a linchpin of the entire resistance in this show, that was almost its mascot, and then was able to send him off by empowering the narrative of her character to such a devastating degree.

I don't know that I've ever seen it quite done like that. I tried even at that point to think it would have been like if the end of the Sopranos would have been, Tony's death through Chris's eyes. Yeah. Kind of, but like the Sopranos ran for so much longer. Andor, you only had like two seasons.

I know, but I'm not necessarily comparing the shows as a one-to-one, but I don't know that I've ever seen it quite done like that. They really pulled Luton out of the game and then almost made him a MacGuffin. It was fantastic storytelling. Yeah, really good. I mean, Cleo is certainly one of the characters who, you know, Andor is one of the defining experiences for Star Wars fans

and also just fans of, like, genre storytelling. and we are attached to a lot of those characters from Rogue One. Then, to your point, we become very attached to certain figures in season one. The fact that Clea is one of the characters after two seasons of Andor concluded, like, dominating and animating, not only thought and care, but conversation, really notable. Spinoff conversations. It's just, Clayo would be an incredible, incredible winner. I don't think Cleo's going to be the winner. I suspect the votes went elsewhere.

We'll find out. And I think that what happened with Boy Cavalier, I mean, I think Boy Cavalier is an incredible character. It's an amazing performance. What a name. Not to continue to spoil future category. There's another Alien Earth best new character. That's the one that I would very insistent be in.

And so we weren't going to have two Alien Earth new characters. Boy Cavalier sneaking here if he's a new character. Can you guys a question? Can you guys a question? Is Boy Cavalier in the Dr. Hugh Mann? obvious name hall of fame. Dr. Hugh May. Dr. Humane.

This is really, really, like, please, he's Peter, he's Cavalier, boy, Cavalier, boy, Cavalier is funny. They don't do it like that anymore. He had like named himself that. Right. Versus Dr. Hugh May.

That's his given name. That's funny. All right. Oh, this, this is nice. I know. I love. Is this where the sinners run begins? Or where the end of run.

Probably. I think the Cynors run begins here. Let's see. Winner of Best Character for the Ringerverse, Cleo Markey andor. Andor sweepstarring. And the fans smoking stack for sinners. Okay.

Whose penmanship is this? That looks gorgeous. Just for the people. Gorgeous. Shout out, my homie. Carly Jackson. Beautiful. It's amazing stuff.

She might have a job. I mean, that looks really good. It's gorgeous. Carly's the best. Thank you, Carly. Really good. Wow. Clay and Markey.

So we were kind of, we knew it. One battle after another of the ringerverse and or just taking them all. Just taking them off. Wait, come on. Let's not do that now. The real winner? I mean, our winner is the winner. Are you going to do a shared honor?

For Claire? For Claire? Yeah. Hey, bringing a another one back home to Lucasfilm. through Disney. You guys, Mandalorian versus Grogu is coming real, real soon, and we're just as proud of that as we are in Andor.

And we are really, really hoping that you guys will go out to the theater and support that just in the same way. Okay, thank you so much. George, we love you. We love for Tony. Shout out to Elizabeth Dulao, who's the actress who plays. Shut out. Elizabeth, why I am her.

So shout out to everyone else. Right, now you have to accept it on behalf of Smok and Stack. As Ryan Cooghlin. Don't do that No we did this Here's a deal And I'm glad I don't hear anything from the audience Like we

We did this for the culture man This was one for our ancestors For all of the people down in the Delta That did what they were supposed to do So that we could be standing here together We see y'all man We see y'all, you know And fuck England

You feel me? What? Plug in a movie on, like on stage. It's pretty G. That's what you do. Hey, go watch my new joint. You know what I'm saying? You got the trophy.

I'm the man now. Next category. Joanna, you are now presenting your first category. What is it? I believe it is saddest moment. Fantastic. Oh, boy. Brutal.

I have to cry. This is a category that almost didn't make it into the verses this year. And I asked for it to come back just because we like to cry here. Let's see those nominees. Spoilers. That last one really upset me. That's messed up. That's messed up.

Who cut that? You didn't have to put the moment that. Yeah, that's tough. That's a little. Grieges, y'all. Can I ask a question? If somebody is listening to this and not watching it, how do they know what's on the thing?

And the nominees are, Foggy's Death, Daredevil. Joel's death The Last of Us The Gorman Massacre Andor What was awful? Spike saying goodbye To his mom

20 years later I'm really glad 28 years later is here In the Lomorces nominees Fantastic film That movie's metal And really kind of messed me up Near the end

Because of the way that he had to say goodbye to his mom That was a very like Spike is a great character Spike is a great character Because it's like A very tough coming of age That like Danny Boyle is very good

using kids to illustrate a kind of like grow... What's wrong with you? Like a growing narrative in the character that is really, really tough. And that movie does it very well. Let's look at his name in J-mail right now. Oh! You can't say it like that. You can't say it that.

Why are you... Do you think... Do you think the last of us is going to have a shot here against Andor, or do you think once again Andor will? I think that this is going to... I think this is... My prediction is that this is going to be a reverse of what just happened. I think that the ringer-verse vote is going to go to Last of Us, but the fan vote is going to go to Andor here.

Okay. Joe's death is tough, man. See it right up there. I'm like, man, that actually is tough. With the, why she had to stab him with the, why she had to stab him? Vengeance. I know, it's tough. It's a terrible cycle.

You know, he deserved a devastating moment. That might have been the death of Pedro Pascal, the character. He was like, once we got rid of Joel, people were like, damn. That's tough. You know? I don't, I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't say that. I would say it was the death of that show. Like, once Joel dies.

No, hell no. Get at him too. Get at him too. I like Pedro. Get at him too. Because I say stuff and I just get into. Hey, it's just Mando Grog who's going to, it's going to be tough. It's looking tough.

Get up, Joe. There's a lot of game left. We don't know. No, he's going to be fine. He's going to bounce back. He's going to be true. Guys, I'll just say this. If Mandu and Grogo is good, Mallory will feel so vindicated and the rest of us will.

I mean, we're talking about us. I'm not predicting it'll be good. I'm just going to be excited for it until I have no reason not to be. Thank you because you like the stuff that we're watching. I just want to be excited about the things that I love until they've convinced that I can't anymore. While we're talking about Manuel and Grogu, just a quick sidebar. We have this conversation in the office. I want to bring it to the people.

There are some of us on this panel that think it's time for Groger to start speaking English or words or using his words. No. There are some people who are like he should continue to battle. Got to wait as long as possible. the coupism baffles. That's right. We got into this on Tuesday's podcast when Amanda presented us

with multiple questions from her four-year-old son about, as Knox calls him, Grogo. Very sweet. I will punt him into the sun if he starts talking. You're just a teenager now.

You're just the sentient being now. Here it is the saddest moment. Is Charles Bunting? Is Charles the thoughts on the sun? This is like in season. On the real shit, Grogu will whoop your ass. You got to fight anymore.

We're not allowed to threaten violence against Grogu. This is like in season one episode four sanctuary where they showed him in literal crosshairs and I was like No. No. Absolutely not. Do you guys think like maybe like Dave Faloni's like, y'all don't even know what I got planned and they like kill Grogu off and it becomes like a natural tragedy? Dave Loney will never.

Absolutely not. Krogu the very thing that gave him basically his. entire. Like a story story three situation? Like he's going into the keys to Lucas film, Grogu? He couldn't kill Osoka despite the fact that she don't show up in none of the movies, right? She could have died at the end of Clone Wars.

It would be like, that makes sense. She was alive and rebel. She got her own show. Brother, we're going to have Grogu forever. For ever. I hope so. And because we're going to have him forever, they can wait a while to have him speak. Does not need to happen on May 22nd.

That wasn't the debate. The debate is different. Tune into House of Ar about the Martian to hear what we got a little spicy. Okay. The winners are in saddest moment. Oh my gosh. Incredible stuff.

The Ring of Verse voted for Joel's death, The Last of Us. There we go. As Mallory. Easy. Nate Silver were there predicted. And then the fans

voted for the Gorman Massacre and or the sweet continues, baby. You're not going to do a thank you speech for... Oh, yeah. Hey, one more. Hey, another one. We're taking it home one more time. Once again, thank you to Disney.

Thank you to AI data centers all across the country. Thank you to the volume. Thank you to everything that makes what we do possible. Thank you to Gilroy. George, once again, bring us home to you. Now do it for Pedro. Oh, Pedro. Yo.

Our vote. Listen, sometimes things don't go the way that we want them to go, but we still wake up every day as artists. Be a hater, man. And we continue to create. So, you know, that scene was really tough to shoot. Thank you to HBO. Thank you to Abby.

Thank you to everyone. Isabella Merced. Okay. So we are through four of the 12 categories. Andor has been nominated in three of the four. Andor has won every category that it is eligible for so far. To recap, best visuals, fantastic four, won. Both votes.

It's the only one highlighted in the dock. Best line was Andor. winning both votes. Best character. We voted for Clea from Andor. The listeners voted for

Smoke and Stack from sinners and Saddest Moment. We voted for Joel's death and last of us and the listeners voted for the

Gorman Massacre in Andor. Andor is cleaning up the verse season so far. Here's the issue when we were going back and forth

on nominations. We were like, wow, last year was kind of tough for which we knew because we lived through it, but last year

was kind of tough for a lot of reasons. Transition year. For our content that we cover. Yeah. And or we loved. Yes.

And then there's a lot of ups and downs across the board. So much good stuff coming out this year. Next year's versus 24 categories, 10 nominees per category. Yeah, why not? Jeez. Why not? A full day. 12 hours of podcast.

I'm going to carve out a full day. Alea already asked, do we want espresso in the champagne? You know, some cap. Are we disgusting? I don't know. Yeah. There's a caffeine in the water. Star Creature.

Espresso and one cup champagne in the other. I trust Alea on any culinary matter. Just do espresso martinis. There you go. Let's do that. I had my first. Spout the difference. As Joanna knows, I had my first martini recently.

It was wonderful. Your first martini? Ever. She got a super dirty martini. Whoa. What did you think? Fills. How many olives?

How many olives are we talking? Did you like? Three olives. Three olives. A side jar. Yeah, right down the street. At the Benjamin. It was fantastic.

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for our black crumpin southern sharecroppers. These are your nominees for best music. Golden, K-pop, D-O-D-O-Ters. Really good, really good. I lied to you. Sinners. Five years of music. Time, super pretty good time.

For good, wicked for good. I have been changed for good. We already know who won. This is just. I actually think this was really hard this category. This might be split. This might be one clear winner. I think Golden is going to probably won the fan vote by 99%.

I think this, for me, this was really hard between sinners and K-pop demon hunters. Those are both magical. It has to be golden. It could be, I mean, I think there's a chance. chance that Golden and sinners kind of like went hand in hand. Like I think it was like checking on Twitter and Instagram. It's pretty close. Yeah.

There we go. Shout up for Wicke for good for getting on the board there. Perfect category for Wicked to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was a movie. Yeah.

Like let's get some other stuff in here. Was a movie I also watched last year. I'm sleeping. Great. You fell asleep? Yeah. No. What?

Wicked for good? So here's a problem. Yes. In the theater, it was, it was fun to be there. Not because it was good. because it was dumb and it was like really fun to watch

them be like really dumb on the screen it was like a great time then leaving you're kind of like you think about a scoring like that was kind of that was kind of way

I mean I'm more of a more of it was always gonna go this way it's kind of way you should never have split the movie this way they should never split the movie the second act like the

the crazy thing is the first one so good and it's alive and it's jumping and it's bumping and then because you talk to people who have watched

the musical before and they're like all the good stuff was in the first act and I'm like How bad could that can't be that bad? That duet. That duet.

That song's very good. It is very good. I'm more of a no good deed head, but that is the second act of Wicked. That's one of the most deep things you've ever said. It's more of a no-do-deed head. What? I'm more of a no-good deed-head. That was just like Sterling's Dede moment.

I like no good deed. I like to stirre me up by Rihanna and I like no good deed. Charles, will you explain why Golden is, needs to be the winner? Because I literally only watched that movie once and I can see the song. It's so perfect. And honestly, just it brings so much joy to the world. I do like Golden. Ain't talking about here.

But Golden is great. Golden over the Sadra boy song. Your idol. Your idol. Oh, what about Soda Pop? Sodop. Awesome. I love Soda Pop.

This is what it sounds like. This is what it sounds like, that's my, like, that's top two. But Golden is just, they don't be singing that at graduation. It's a perfect pop song. In a way, that's why Golden is like, can be an award starling. They will. For a Green Day. Instead of a hard.

This is definitely true. Yeah, he's right. Instead of I green back of flies, Golden. Yeah. This has made its way into the world in a way that is lasting. But Golden, it's, I think the fact that we all love so many different songs from K-pop Demon Hunter is part of why Golden is actually so dominant on the award circuit, right? And will win an Oscar.

Like, you're awarding the music of the movie. at large when you reward Golden. Yeah. We should say, I mean, I lied to you is one of the best things that happened. That's why I said to me, this was one of the most agonizing votes for me

because I think those are both like incredible. When they were... What do we think? Who won? When they were twerking and I lied to you? That moved. It's interesting because like nominating I lied to you. Charles is mediocre and that's great. No, I just...

The movie, the movie is basically... I'm not getting into this again. I'll get into it. The movie is perfect. I love, it's a 12, the whole thing is a perfect. The only single moment where I was like, hey, what's kind of happening? When they were shaking out of the movie. When they were shaking booty, because that's like the first thing.

I'm like, wait, what's going on? And then I'm like, oh, okay. Then the other things come in. Yeah. If that was like the third thing in the montage, then you get it. Because I was just kind of like, all right, I kind of feel like that's not the place you would do that. Take that part of the movie and it would just be better. It would just, even if I was like, dog, they crumping.

is crazy. The whole song or? It's the tiniest nitpick. The movie doesn't work without that scene. I agree. I agree. I agree. Yeah, of course.

I agree. She's just like, wait. On IMAX, what's going on? She's confused for half a second. But it's great. It's perfect. I love it. All right.

And the winner is, oh, this is so prestigious right now. No. The way that ribbon is not in. Take notes, Oscars. You hear that, Conan? And your winner is, ringerverse, I lied to you, sinners.

And the fan vote, same. Oh, I lied to you with sinners, sweet. Is that K-pop demon hunter? Honestly, kind of shocked. Empty-handed. I thought sinners would win the ringerverse vote. I thought that Golden would win the...

Can I just tell you? I'm a little worried about Golden at the Oscars. What do you think is going to win instead? I lied to you. Like, well, I would be... I would be... I'd tell you. I'd take it.

I'd be so exciting. has been ahead for so long. Yeah. And then I feel like people kind of, and like what's happening with sinners right now is people are just getting kind of excited about something different happening. There's momentum.

And so I could see it. It would be surprising. Everyone has expected it would be golden since K-pop Demon Hunters came out. But I don't know. Wait, how many do you think Sinners is taken home? Um, I don't know. Like, I mean, do you think,

do you think Michael's taking Best Actor? Yes. I think it'll probably win. I think it's weird. The Timmy thing broke. It's the dumbest thing ever, but I do think it broke at the worst. I'm like, ooh. But it didn't affect the voting, though.

It happened after voting. Well, it didn't happen after voting, but it kind of went viral after voting. Yeah. But Timmy also had already lost the SAG award and the BAFTA. So he wasn't like this runaway front runner anyway. Michael winning the SAG award, everyone was so excited about it. Viola like really sold the moment. And everyone's like, hey, he was incredible.

That was amazing. What I'm remembering is when everyone thought we were getting a posthumous award for Chadwick Bozeman and then Anthony Hopkins won for the father. They made that the last award of the night. And they did the last award of the night. And I'm just like graced. I'm just like, let's be ready for something not like that. I mean, you know, I guess now this is to me the most interesting best actor moment

that I can remember. Yeah. Because, yeah. Yeah, because, like, it was, everyone just knew

it was Marty Supreme. At first, everyone thought it was Leo, Leo. Yeah. Then it became Martite. I can't,

I don't remember the last time it vacillade between three different actors in one cycle. Well, and there's plenty of Lack and Ethan Hawk. There's not a lot.

Also there. Also there. I'm not a lot of amazing. He's not a lot of belief in a man. That performance is amazing. Amazing. Good for him.

I'm out on Louvre. And Timmy wins it would be funny if he's like, fuck y'all, fuck ballet. I'm out of living. Interesting. We can talk about it. Well, you have the theater bonafide, so. Who won again? I lied to you.

Hey, thank you to twerking. Thank you to June Joyce. Thank you to sharecropping. Thank you to like, you know. To the Greece. Misty Copeland. We support opera and the ballet. We support.

That's the difference between us. All right. Age old, ancient forms. of artistry. We support you guys. We'll be there to show up for you guys. We love you. Thank you to send us. There we go. Thumbs right up to... Okay, Steve.

Yes. I have... Would you like to present your first category? Best new character. Here we go. These are for the ones that made the biggest impressions in our hearts. This is one of the we're weirder categories we have today. I love this category. I genuinely did. The nominees are. What an odd critic. Bud.

Predator Badlands. You're such a good man. Dr. Ian Kelson. 28 years later. Yes. I am. The eyeball jockey, alien earth. You don't want to try the long man?

Incredible. Absolutely not. You already just grew up in this place. Bob, a.k.a. Century. Thunderbolts. I'm getting my blood down for this medical study and the next I'm in here. In my pajamas, I don't know. This is a wonky category.

It sucks. It sucks. What are you talking about? Says the man who didn't vote. I would like someone to call Ray Fines right now and tell him. he's in a category up against. Let me say something would be the honor of my life.

We didn't. We don't. We don't. He's here right now. I feel like I did vote. Remick, who would have been a good nominee. Oh, Remick would have been a good nominee here as well.

Rememick, cornbread. Cornbread. I mean, I'm not too upset about it. I mean, Eyeball Jockey took over. Eyeball Jockey.

It was great. I ball jockey was the man. I was really rooting. That was the whole fucking show. Yeah. What a good show. Remember how scary the sheep was? Mm-hmm.

I'm settling. I think the show went a little... Half of it was big. You're not going to do the shitting part? It was good. I liked it. We respect Alien Earth ultimately because of the biggest swing possible that it could have done as a show. And the conversations that I remember it provoking amongst the Midnight Boys were like, what does art mean?

What is like living mean and all of that stuff? And we're like, the show's all right, but like, what is this about? And then the other thing that all TV does is I'm going to set up a second season. But you're not going to see that for five. obvious. So good luck. On House of R it was like a lot of this is canon shattering. Oh yeah, it was a lot of Malory

fact-checking, the showrunner and the showrunner being like Glitting an interview. What a nerdy. Remember when he presented me with the world's biggest nerd? Dude. Also remember when Timothy Oliver said came on the podcast? vividly. That was magical. I had a hard time deciding here between

I think that 28 years later deserves some wins. And I think that Dr. Ian Kelson is a great category. is a great character, and Ray finds it's a wonderful performance, but I had to be honest with myself that I think I'm over-indexing on bone temple. That's Bowen Temple's time. Exactly. Like, next year is his year.

So is it the eyeball jockey's category? I think it's a category to lose. Listen, shout out to Bud. I love Bud. Best part of Predator Badlands. I wasn't the best part of Predator Badlands. Great to have a Predator Badlands in the Verses here as a nominee. I love that movie.

Fantastic. Nice little movie, yeah. A fun, fine time in the movies. Yeah. Competent. Not the last time we'll be talking about Predator Badlands today. No, not at all.

All right, but let's find out the winner. And the winner is. Right. The Ringerverse, we have a two-way tie between Bud and the eyeball jockey. What? And the fan is Dr. Ian Kelston. Hey!

Yes! Who votes on Bud right now, raise your hands. This is complete chaos then. Who gets the Versi? I voted for Bud. I did not vote for Bud. I definitely didn't vote for Bud. I don't know.

I voted for the eyeball jockey. I have to guys. I remember... Who voted for Bud? I can't remember, I didn't vote for Bud. I can't remember if I voted for Dr. Ian Kelson or the eyeball.

I think I voted for eyeball Jackie. When we tie, I think it should go to who the fans want it. But neither of our... The fan votes is a different... Three different things. We need to an instant draw poll between Bud and the eyeball jockey.

I could be straight against that. We can give it to eyeball jockey. I'm going to think that would be a tie. And Dr. Ian Kelson, would you care to accept the awards? Do the accent. Of the eyeball jockey. Hey, thank you for bringing me to life.

Thank you for all the sentient beings that I can get inside of. Whoa. That's what it is. Who would you most want to be inside of? Really, just a warm. What a question. What a question. Just a wriggle of moist tentacles.

Finish that. I think it's a really normal question. I think it's a really normal question. It is. normal beginning of an answer to the world? Who in the world? Who in the world? If you were the eyeball jockey. You can wriggle your way into anyone who are you doing that too. Because you're like your body snatching them. Yeah. I was convinced that the eyeball jockey was going to get Boy Cavalier at the end of that. There's a lot of game for that.

That's what they were going to go for. Yeah. Bait and Switch. David Ariswell. Dr. Ian, what's his name? Kelson. Dr. Ian Kelson. Yo, Ray Fines, it's me, Ray Fines. It's me, Ray Fines. My brother thought that he was going to pass me up didn't happen. I'm still a man after all of these years. Ray Fines doesn't have an Oscar, but now he has a versed.

He's got a mercy, man. It's a travesty that Ray Fines doesn't have an Oscar, but he has a scandal. But he has a mercy. It's a lot of game left. What was his brother's name again?

Joseph. Shakespeare in love? Shakespeare in love. He was the man for a second. Yeah, handmade's tale. But we came back, we took that nigga over. Yep. Enemy at the gate.

He said that. That's what he said. Word for word. That's crazy. Ray Fines is just an incredibly. charismatic and magnetic performer and also very few people have ever looked hotter than Ray Fines

and Constant Gardner. He's really done for whatever. I mean... Ree Fines was in quiz show? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Love them in quiz show. Great movie. I mean... English show. English show. I mean... I can't fight with English patient. I hear what you're saying, and I've thought about this a lot.

I think I spent a lot of time thinking about the hottest men on screen. Yeah, same. It's got to be Harrison Ford. Well, So I'm supporting witness. Yeah. Banging the top of the car in the barn and then singing and dancing. Second, Aragorn opening the doors.

Opening the doors. Right. Yeah, that's minted. Hmm. Number three. That's an a ergoor and all of our podcast this week as well. Okay. Our next category, Jomi, it's back to you.

For your second category. Marlonne. Marlon. Streetcar, Marlon. The tightest white shirt that ever. Very powerful. Very powerful. No love for James Dean?

Yeah, it's not for me. It's not for you. It's not your top of man? type. Okay, that's fair. Best director. I fear we're kind of in a... It's blowout territory.

This is a easy one. This is a blowout territory. We can... We can... We can... Hey, show some nominees. Why not? Just for fun.

Just for fun. Danny Boyle, 28 years later. Ryan Coogan. Sinners. Homaz gun. How the fuck did that get in there? Jake Shrier

Thunderbolts Jake Shrier Thunderbolts my fault It's our guy We love Jake X-Men He's helping X-Men So let's not pretend

Like we don't know what this is Yeah It's gonna be coogler Right Shout out to him What is it not What if it could have Maybe

Maybe he got upset Who knows Why do you hate James Gun Why did you say that I just say that? I just It was surprising You know that you

Okay Okay You're not being serious It's my fault I was trying to I like James girl I like the movie But it was a decent

So I didn't watch 28 years later because movies scare me. Great movie. But Danny Boyle getting nominated, Mal, Joe, Steve, purveyors. What did Danny Boyle do to end up on here? Yeah, white people. What did Danny Boyle do to know it? Bro used iPhones in the best way possible. No.

I think the causeway chase, yes. Running from the Alpha under the Northern Lights is like one of the most visually arresting things I've seen in some time. It was gorgeous, but also just the tension and the suspense across the film and the ability to capture. First of all, this is like a return

of the Boyle Garland team inside of a beloved franchise, right? And a great way to revive the franchise and to take us through this passage of time and root us in that community and then take us back into the abyss of carnage, allow us to understand the quarantine situation and people coming in from outside of that.

The alphas, the crawling worm situation. Like this movie was sensational, the performances were excellent. I think Boyle is a very worthy nominee here. There's a lot about this movie that I didn't love as much as you and Chris Ryan, etc., etc. But the performance from this kid, it's like a once in a lifetime intro to a young actor kind of performance. He's so good in this movie. Jody Comer is incredible in this movie.

And Jody Comer is someone who wasn't like, someone else who was supposed to be like in everything and just killing it and like has made some odd choices. And I was just really happy for her to get this great project. to show us what she could do. And then our guy Jack O'Connell shows up at the end. Yeah, Tom Cruise. So, yeah, I love Danny Boyle. But to be clear, we all voted for Ryan Coogler who should clearly win the category.

This was an easy one. Very easy. Big Coog. You were hating on James Gunn. I mean, we haven't talked about it, but like Superman, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts. Oh, good to great movies in their own respects. You didn't like it.

How would you rank them? Oh. So, am we talking just like the Four Super World that came out last year. Captain America Four is last. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

My guy. Anthony Mackey, my fault. I love you, but it just wasn't what it was. He's not listening. Three, he definitely is. He definitely is.

Three, ah, that I'm gonna call me a hater. I'm putting Superman at three. Oh. Really? Wow. Bold.

I'm sorry. I watched Fantastic Four. On Disney Plus, it was heat. That's you two? At you two? Number one is Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts.

You can run that back a couple of times. I loved Thunderbolts. I loved it. It's great. Thunderbolts is great. It's great. All right. Let's open this envelope.

Man, surprise, surprise. It could be anybody's game, guys. Jake Shrier. Come on now. Jake Shryor right there. Oh my gosh. It's an upset. John Kaczykielski for F1.

We did it. John. Kaliski. I thought you were around to say John Krasinski. It's Ryan Kugler. It's Ryan Kugler. It's Ryan Kugler. for both

Sinners. Surreys. Woo. Okay. Nope, not doing it anymore. No. No?

Yeah. So it's time. No. Shout out to Koot. Who's the next category? Do to be a word again? It is back to Steve. Back to Steve. All right.

We're going to reverse now. Yeah. Best showrunner is our next category. Easy. We already know what it is. This is, again, probably going to be a suite for who we all know we think it is.

but kind of just like person that's the anchor point for some of the best shows and TV that we have to us here. Tell everybody what showrunner does. Pretty much it's like the guy that does everything, like picks directors, picks writers rooms, sets the tone for the show. More or less. Yeah, you were trying

to get him. And the nominees are. Apologiastic. He has no clue. The Duffer Brothers, Stranger Things. Who's strange people? Vince Gillian. Pluribus. Tony Gilroy and or Noah Holly, Alien Earth

Incredible photo Bracelet core In the back, In the back, could y'all bring up the Duffer Brothers picture again? No, shout out the Duffer brothers, man. Hey, what are you going to deliver an ice cold take on Lucas's wig

And that's season? I'm not delivering an ice, it's not an ice cold take. It is. If y'all can in the back, if it's possible, and it doesn't seem like it is. That was a weird picture, man. When you're all watching on TV, I don't know why.

That was an odd picture. Mal and Joe, when you guys talk to Noah Hawley about alien Earth, what did you come away with from his main sentiment about the show and why you liked it. I did not vote for Noah Holly in this category. I voted for Tony Gilroyas. I assume we all did. But you didn't talk to Noah.

I will say, I thought about voting for Vince Gilligan. I think it's great. I thought Flourbis absolutely ruled. And in terms of like the conversation you're describing that you had based off of alien earth of like what is art, what is, etc. Like those are the kind of conversations we had around Pluribus. Like I just thought that was one of the like the most thought-provoking, interesting, challenging shows that came out last year.

I actually tend to agree with that. I think that if you're looking at this and sort of giving the award out based on what the showrunner has to do and like what the lift is, Pluribus just had this insanely heavy lift. There were times where I was... You don't know, but I was like, what the hell is happening? But that was part of the narrative, I think. That was a great show.

Not the last time, Pluribus will come up today, but this is a great spot for Pluribus to be included. It's appropriate that Stranger Things is here in some capacity. We'll have one more Stranger Things appearance, I think, today. A Titanic undertaking for that big of a show. And, like, yes. Also, just like, welcome back to the ringer-verse world Vince Gilligan, because he comes from X-Files.

And then he does, you know, Breaking Bad, a Better Cross All. And now he's back in the world of sci-fi. and crushed it. So why do we all know that the name in this envelope is Tony Gilroy? I mean, if it's not, there's just no question.

Come on. Let's have some shame. Yeah. What are we even doing here? Yeah, exactly. What are we doing here? And what we're doing here is figuring out the winner. Mm-hmm.

Let's go. Tight knots, guys. F-1 just won a second ago, man. It could be anybody. Could be anybody. Kalinsky? All right. That's what his name is.

And the winner is from the fan and the ringerverse, Tony Gilroy. Congratulations, Tony. Hey, TG. Go ahead. Go ahead. Congrats, Tony. That was one of my favorite interviews we've ever done.

That was magical. Stay up. That was acceptable. All right, Tony. Congrats on your mercy. Charles, next category. Next up, it's best movie performance. The cold brew is wearing off.

I don't have anything slick to say. You don't have a five? Five? You can't give people. There's no bit. He refuses. He refuses to podcast. Jacob Allorty.

Frankenstein. That was you, right? Yeah. Frank. We get some other stuff in here. Al Fanning, Predder Badlands Universal translation. You hear yautcha.

Others hear their language. Michael B. Jordan, sinners. Florence Pugh. I am so long. This is a good category. I don't have anything anymore. Steakily. I do have a question.

Because if Michael B. Jordan wins on Sunday, I'll be super happy. I don't know if I walked out of sinners being like, that's our best. actor. I was more so impressed that he, like, carried the movie as an action star. But now I'm like, damn, like, he's going to get a best actor for a very weird role. I have a question to your question. Why do you hate black people? I'm just saying, that sounds like that's crazy. What would you pretend it was for? That's what I like to do when someone gets an Oscar for something that I don't think. I mean, for Michael B. Jordan, he deserves one for Creed, if we're being honest. Like Jamie Lee Curtis's fake Oscar? Yeah. Yeah. What's that for?

True. Trading places? I mean, is Leo's Oscar? Joker got an Oscar. Yeah, of course. Leos O'Oxon. Yeah. The Revenue. Come on.

That's crazy. Well, who did you vote for here then? Who do you think should win? Oh, I still voted for smoke to stats. He's easy. In terms of like what was there? What we was voted? I'm like, I'm going to give it to Michael B. Jordan.

But damn. Who else would you nominate? This was a good spot to get Frankenstein in to the versus here. Elority performance is very good. For us was. Tough. It was rough. Finn.

Yeah. But honestly, even in sinners, like, Delroy, I felt like, was a better performance. We don't have, this isn't like gendered or in leader supporting. But still, I'm glad that Jacob Allorty is here because he was the best part, obviously, of that. Easily the highlight of Frankenstein is a varsity nominee. I could not make it.

I think that's when I stopped. I was drinking a lot of milk, and I was like, I just, I don't know. I can do this. Did I tell you my milk information? What is your milk information? Okay, that's a strange sentence. I'm scared. Okay, remember when we did the Valentine's episode

and you were talking about the upside-down kiss in Spider-Man? Vividly. Yeah. How do you want to explain why you were calling out that moment? I just think it's weird that everyone's like, oh my God, what a hot, cool, sexy, iconic thing. And I'm like, it's basically waterboarding, like the water going into the nose. The fabric against the nose, I don't understand why it's.

In order to make the rain viewable on camera, they made it milk. That was milk. They were waterboarding game. Hull me into a volcano. My sister and my nephew went on the Warner Brothers tour, and they learned that in the Warner Bros. for a store. Absolutely.

It smelled crazy. They were milkboarding him. Absolutely not. So, bad. Was it 2% fat free? What's the?

Oh, I don't know. I would say skim. Skim. For rain? Yeah, because that back then they wasn't really fucking with the oak milk like that. No.

That was before all of the fancy shit. Officially the widest scene in the movie history now. To why you can watch milk while milk is raining from. It's raining milk. Anything that anyone wants to say about Florence Pugh here? About this performance as Yelina? insane level up for that character from that's a Black Widow.

You know, it's interesting with Florence Pugh. We've talked a lot about the MCU over the last couple of years and the mantling of these characters seems to be very difficult. Like we can't get away from the original interpretation of the character. And there are some people that are now

starting to think that it's not just difficult, but it's impossible struggling with the new Captain America. Can there be a new Iron Man? Blah, blah, blah. She did it. I agree. Like she did it. We had a black widow that we loved that was very important to us and to our narrative.

They introduced a new black widow that was connected to the original black widow and she's embodied the character and taking the character further. Who do you think are the most, I think the, I think Kamala Khan and Yolena Bolova are like the two most successful, like, post-Avend game lifts. Yeah. Yeah. Kamala Khan, yeah. Not her show necessarily, but her as a character. She's a star.

I'm trying to think if there's anyone else Now you're right I mean I mean this is obviously this is gonna sound crazy for me to say but Hawkeye

Cape Bishop Good Kid Bishop I mean Kate Bishop And Galena It all comes back to Elena It all comes back to Elena

Shout out of Al Fanning too For a petter of Batlands She was great now Crazy fun Incredible that She also played You know two like twins Or sisters

In that as well That's right Upper half and lower half With the Lake thing It was fun So two of our nominees played twins. Twins.

Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Do we, are we expecting a sweep here? It was like, we're just 17. Yeah.

Yeah. This is good. Anything is possible. All right. And your winner for both Michael B. Jordan smoking stack.

Come on. Let's go, Mike. First and many. He got amazing Perkins. Same thing twice. It should be Michael A. Jordan.

Gorgeous. For the way he's. Fantastic. All right, Joe, what's your second category? I've got best show performances like basically

or Emmy. That was our lead actor, no gender required Oscar. This is our lead performance Emmy. Let's see those nominees. She told her I kidnapped you. What? You rescued us. I know.

That's not even the worst of it. When you miss me or you want to talk, just look straight up. I'll always be there. Looking back at you. We need to get to the rear loading dock. There's a right waiting for us. I'm not sure I can be this

Welcome to the rebellion We're at the weird next door They know we're some goddamn Yeah How would they know that? Are you reading my mind? Stacked field Loaded

Nuss actually, actually nuts Here's a couple of things I will say though I sort of like what you were saying about I don't think Diego Luna is the best performance at Andor And so like is he the lead actor of Andor undoubtedly and we've already like honored Clay as a character

but like that is he I would put him like fifth down the list of best performances I voted for Diego but even when we were doing this I was like why is he the Andor pick and I'm like I guess he's a lead in that role I guess but Babu Sisei is not the lead But he was the heart of that show incredible

He just is that that's who I voted for That's who I voted for I mean so good Maro is incredible you talked about it on the watch but we haven't talked about it on our podcast the fact that Babu Sisi is going to be Play. And that is the

show in season two of the 90s one of my favorite characters. He's a complete maniac in the develop I'm like 9 million exclamation marks.

Absolutely thrilling. It's going to be great. Shout on Jamie Kamabon for getting on the board. Yeah. That was my nomination. Excellent performance. Just Stranger Things was really

about be in the final season but he was really good. Who did he play? Vecna. Henry. Henry. Who is the bad guy, right?

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was extremely good. Yeah, he does that. Seahorn. It's incredible. Always excellent. She is that show.

I mean, yeah, she's a low. Carol. You know what I really enjoy about that role? Like, that is the role. That reminds me, remember we talked about this when we did our podcast together, my friends? We talked about this with Killion Murphy with Oppenheimer. Yes. How you do the role.

Oh, she's Kim Wexler. And then you come back and your creative partner who gives you the shot and it's all about you. Yes. And then you kill it and you deliver. Yes. For him to come back with her with this show, and the show is essentially just an acting exhibition for her, where she gets to show everything that she can do after I've worked with.

It's amazing. She worked for it. This is what I love about, yeah, I mean, that's the Klayah thing. It's like, Clayah shows up in season one of Andoran. When they saw what that actress could do, they gave her so much order to do in season two. And so when Vince Gilligan saw what Ray Seahorn could do on Better Call Saul, first of all, Kim Wexler becomes the co-lead of that show in subsequent seasons. But then he's like, and now I'm going to give you a whole show

where it's like basically just you. And she killed it. It's great. Listen to the voicemail a thousand times. Go crazy. The whole thing. Don't skip. Don't press two.

All right. It's probably going to be Diego and we support. I love Diego. I support it. Yeah, this is an interesting one. I don't know how this is going to get. It too Mama Timbian. What was it called?

It too Mama Tambian. I fucking love that movie. Love. The terminal. The winner in both categories, Diego Luna. Oh, okay. Has he and Or is unstoppable.

Andor is unstoppable on the versy. as a sinner. Hey, I have a question for you guys. Who would the rebellion have been more fucked without Cassie and Andor or Luke Skywalker? Take one away.

Well, you can't get Luke without us. It's every little step forward. Yeah, there you go. Honestly, it's Diego because I could argue everything that happens, you know, after. It's baseline. It's kind of Luke's fault.

So, you know what I mean? Diego got to go out on top. Right. Luke kind of went out on a bummed. Diego doesn't have a flawed. legacy. Yeah. But Cassie doesn't

show up without Luthin. Or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Right? Cassie doesn't show up without Luthen.

So like how far back do you take that? I was just asking for a cool hypothetical and you guys galaxy brained it. So it's just like, you know, who is the face

of the rebellion? I think one of the coolest lessons you learned from Andor was this idea of like Jane and Jarrett's your animation. Rebel time, rise.

Agenda. But like the, the like the essential part of the rebellion. is that it's every hand. It's Lonnie. It's whoever it is. What little thing did you do

to move it one step forward, one step forward? Can't wait to go to the Rebellion Hall of Fame and go to the Lonnie wing of the rebellion. It's just a bench. You're the only one with clarity of purpose. As Sawara, remember what? Senators went to Lonnie's bench and sent us a photo. Do you put Saw on the Rebellion Hall of Fame?

Saul was the man, too. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think a lot of the finale, though, Orients around the idea, as voiced often by Cassian, right? None of it happens without Lutheran. Right. But I think Joe is ultimately right.

We shouldn't fall into the trap that the fascist set for us. That it takes one person. It takes a chosen one. It's not. Maybe you know who it is? Actually, it's Nemic. But Diego. The manifesto.

Cassian did not try to kill his nephew. So. Only one person in the galaxy could have made the shot. That we know. That we know. That's true. Ultimately, I'm with you. Only one person in the galaxy could have made the shot.

If actually first to choose, I am with you, of course. I want to do. Okay, we have two categories left. Best movie and best show. I wonder what's going to happen, Mal. I don't think the outcome of either is much of a mystery. We are going to do best movie first. Right.

And then because it was, I think we agree, a strong year for television compared to movies, but not the strongest year we've ever had for either. I don't know. We know that sinners and Ander are going to win. But before we do that. For next year, if we had to prognosticate, who we feel like are the,

are the front runners for best movie. Dune 3 is obviously up there. Yep. Sure. Project Hail Mary. Project Hale Mary. We spent so many nominees. We do four. Odyssey. There's an Avengers movie. Odyssey and probably Dumesday. But maybe Spider-Man knocks Dumesday out. Maybe it's just a better movie. Maybe Spider-Man

knocks Odyssey out. What does Spider-Man knocks Dune out? All right. Holland v. Holland. Haland. Hald. Hey, my dad. It's so interesting. Okay. So he's a kid when he's Spider-Man, but he's not a kid

any type of else. You guys hate it. You guys hate it when I say that about them. They know what the audience wants from Tom Holland. Because they cut the Odyssey trailer and in the trailer, he goes, She's my dad. And like, they know what the audience wants from him. They know what they want.

Y'all always act like, I'm saying, nah, they want to see him. Do you think this breaks? Let's say he has a little light skit. He asked to your biracial list was Addaia. Do you think we're like, no, he's a dad now? I know more biracial then. Then it's the other side. The other side?

Yeah, man. Why? Why? Why? Because you, you didn't, you didn't cut the cut. So at that point,

you know, Hayley Stamfeld. You didn't cut the cut? What rules are we operating by? I'm just saying, at that point, it's Haley Stonfield. It's not,

it's like, you didn't cut the cut. So what's it, once it's fast 50-50s, you so the way? Because it's never, like, you didn't cut the cut,

bro. Okay. So they, like, shout out. That's what I'm saying. You got to, you know what I'm saying? You didn't cut the cut. Yeah, right, right, right,

You could have brought it back. You know what I'm saying? Could have went out and got you a Lakey Stanfield, but you got you a time. All right, man. Enough. Enough. Jesus Christ. Disclosure day could be on the last.

Disclosure day. Never count them out. Is that tinfoil hat brain shit when people are like, yo, this is a sequel to close encounters? Well, I think it's a creative continuation of Spielberg's preoccupation. No question, right? You have close encounters. You have 18 and I have disclosure.

But like from a different relationship to the idea. I heard someone say something and this shit would be dope. What if Richard Dreyfus was the Aval? Comes back on the ship. If the ship lands and Richard Dreyfus returns? What if Emily Blunt is also her character from Devil We're Prada 2. Oh my God. Devil's Proto too is going to get on.

Are you wearing the twist of my arm? That would be great. Yeah, Disclosure Day. How do we feel about Disclosure Day? Excited. It's odd that like such a big... I decided to be excited. It's like, it's flying.

My hope you're going to a degree. The trailers. I will never doubt Spilberg. I really did like West Side Story. Why? It was great. You didn't like West Side Story? No, you can doubt Spielberg.

Right on. No, you can doubt Spielberg. Spielberg's made a lot of movies. I don't think he's made a great movie. A great movie? For over a decade. What's the last one? You didn't like the, the Fableman?

Is it a great movie? It was fine. It was fine. Not bad. It was fine. It was fine. Stephen Spielberg is. a dead ass goaded

all-time 24-carat gold filmmaker and it's okay to be like is this movie going to be as good he's not in his knowing era yeah it's just not besides or other people's singles like it's not of his game catch me if you can't I know where you report I agree I mean sure

damn catch me if you can to me is a perfect movie like I know god damn I agree tell me one since then that is great so I would say so I when I'm really really into it you can almost convinced me that War of the Worlds is like right there. Like just because the movie is,

the movie is very sinister. It moves at a really snappy play. I'm open to it, but that's just a few years later. I understand. It's basically the same time. I'm not saying that I'm always the way there with that movie, but going back and examining it in that movie, that movie really, really works for me.

He's made so many movies. Are you coming through with like Ready Player 1? Yeah. What are we coming through? No. No. No love for Indiana Jones in the Kingdom of, Crystal School?

Charles. Actually, let's be real. Up with that one. Let's be serious. All right. Lincoln? Lincoln's a good movie.

Lincoln's a good movie. I don't think it's a great movie. Interesting. Warhorse. When that story came out in theaters, I feel like people would like it more. I'm not, they did shoot as well.

I like West Side story. I like West Side story a lot. It's not great. These are good movies, but when we're talking about, is it okay to doubt him as if he grading him on his own curve. If he takes a big swing that he could miss,

he can miss. It's like it's not 1991 anymore, 19, 2003 anymore. That's not a diss to Steven Spielberg. Made fucking save a private Ryan. It's not a diss to him.

It's like, you know, it's where we are. That's a movie. Jurassic Park. Hell of what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? Predictions. 1984 for the prompt for

TV shows? I think June 3 is going to take it away next year. Yeah. What do we think the nominees for TV show are going to be? So Night of the Seven Kingdoms, for sure. That's already got a spot locked. Lanterns.

Lanterns. Joanna will be locking the Google dock after typing in the vampire list. shot. Dad, Dad, yeah. We can't wait for that. In the next couple of weeks, you get invincible.

House of the Dragon. Yeah. House of the Dragon comes out. House of the Dragon might do numbers. The boys final season. Voice of Power. Blade Runner? Saved.

Excited for Blade Runner. Spider-in-sider. I'm kind of really jazzed about that. I hope that's good. I hope that's good. I'm excited. I love that for you. I just, and I hope you're right.

I just can't wait to watch both. version. So they put it. You're going to watch the color version? No, I'm going to watch black. What's wrong with color?

They're coming out with the black and white and the color version. Why do you say like that? The color version? The color. Is there a color? So there's a color version.

So what you're saying? It's like laundry, you know? And then there's a colored version. It's like laundry? Yeah, what's going on with you? What's, what happened? Steve got out pool when we get in the pool. Right.

There's some other big shows coming that we're completely forgetting about that are late summer and all. But we've got time to, we've got time. You guys can't. You guys can't. Okay. He's on his own. He is on his own.

I'm not. I'm not. Okay. I'm not. Abrupt subject change. No, abrupt subject change. Oh, dear.

Okay. Should we get to our final two categories? It's a mystery. Van. Best movie. What could it possibly be? Okay. Best movie is the category.

Okay. So this is for the best movie. Right. And you're going to ask to show the nominees. Right. The movies that were the best. So last year, there were movies that came out. Yes.

And then we decided that what we would do is we would give you guys a chance to tell us which one was the best. Right. You're the nominees. K-pop demon hunters. Netflix. Sinners. Warner Brothers. Eyes up here.

Superman. Warner Brothers. We can find a way. Thunderbolts. Together. Disney. Oh. Tough year

Tough year This is a pretty easy one guys It's sinners That's a swag Wait has Superman gotten any awards here No Did we only get one MCU award Fantastic 4 won?

Yeah I mean I Only what Sinners and Andrew are gonna win almost every award They're winning everywhere They're eligible for And next year

Let's put Wonder Man in the next Why not? Oh I love that No rule Loved Wonder Man A peek behind the curtain We were like If we put centers

into the denomination is going to sweep. And that's kind of what happened, right? And so, you know, obviously, Kugler, everybody involved. Shout out of the damn real love, you know what I'm saying? But we knew what was going to happen once we put sentence in the mix.

So when we talk about these movies, what is the criteria? What do we mean when we say best? No, no, no, you put it on film. And what do we mean when we say movie? Well, for best or for like, why is it eligible? For aversy. Why is it eligible for aversy?

Yeah, like there might be people that might be asking why sinners being included in some of these other movies. There are no capes. They're no superheroes. Like, what are it is? They're a genre story. Yeah, absolutely, right? Anything that we have or could cover on the Midnight Boys or House of ours is eligible for a versus. I will say this category was already kind of like full up when I got to the nominations.

But like I wouldn't like, I think it makes, it's tough because for what is our usual, like, bread and butter, it makes sense that we nominate a Marvel movie. And it makes sense that we nominate Superman and stuff like that. but like I would put 28 years later above those movies. Same. You know, like I would put Predator Badlands above some of those movies. Frankenstein. Frankenstein. I like Superman quite a bit.

I definitely think that 28 years later is one of the best genre films that came out last year without question. That movie is awesome. Yeah. Just fantastic. The winner is sinner. So talking about the nominees is like kind of. But Superman was like a like way better than I was worried it was going to be. I thought Superman was great.

You know? I'm happy to say that. And we've talked about this before, but like the fact that my nephew loved it, like, made me love it even more. Like for a generation, this is going to be their Superman. Yeah. Yeah. He gets to make more. Well, this is an interesting moment to sort of assess and decide, do we like this constitution of the Verses better than the way we used to do it before?

Because in prior years, the category would have been like best pet companion. We would have been talking about crypto. That would have been great. Shout out to crypto. Crypto ruled. What do we think? Should we go back to that? No.

I mean, you know, I honestly, I like awarding dominance. Whose idea was it to do more Oscar-esque categories? Certainly not mine. Then I support that person, whoever that was. Who's mine? Oh. The war for best movie is sinners. Absolent dominance.

Sinners is sweeping. Sinners won every category that's nominated in? A pre-permination. Of what's to come on Sunday. No, I think the one. worst possible thing. Usually in the Oscars the worst possible

thing happens we're all just mad about it. So we're gonna get so Cougar you know is gonna get best original screenplay

yes right after that like we think Michael B. Jordan might come around there's some below the line type of stuff

below the line yeah and then there's one me yeah in the best supporting actors but then we start to

you think about best director and best picture starts to like fall off that's PTA and one battle yeah PTA is yet

I want a cougar is still one of them. He's got time. I promise you he's got time. I know, but I wanted him to steal one out of best picture or best director. I see, he might. There's still game left. I wouldn't be surprised. But every party I talk to, everybody, every single person I talk to is like, it's one battle, it's one battle, it's one battle.

I'm getting disheartened. But there's a, there's a parasite year, you know? Yeah. But even the parasite year, we knew parasite coming in. It was the best movie. Like, there was a lot of gas around it. People's favorite. Like, like, they usually don't see.

We didn't know it was going to win best picture. Really? Really? Yeah. Huh. That was like a late in that race sort of, there was a hope and there was an excitement, but there wasn't like parasites definitely going to win. Oh, man.

I am misremembering that like crazy. Let me ask you guys this, though. In the best actor race, we have this really interesting race in the best actress race. That's kind of, it's off. So swat. So it's this, we're having the same thing. They might as well do that first. Jesse Buckley, shout out.

Hamlet. Hamlet. I love her. Great performance. I mean, she was fantastic. She's great. I don't want to talk about the fact that I saw the bride yesterday.

That don't know. I was tough. I was to ask you about this. Because you were, you were bride hive number one. I was wrong. Back in the day. Yeah.

I've never been more wrong in my time. It happens to all of us, man. We go into it like, hey, I'm so happy for this movie, man, I can't waste it down. You're like, what's not to like, though? It was the idea was fresh. The filmmakers was good,

great actors. It was like, what was not to like? like it happens sometimes, man. It's kind of like the 2012, 2013 Lakers, man. You get all that talent together. You put them all in the room and sometimes you just don't just don't work.

The parasite year, a lot of people thought it was going to be 1917. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that was the last movie I saw before they sent us all for the Tudies. Yeah. So I leave the ringer.

I go, I'm like, oh, they sent us home for a week. Great. I'm going to go watch 1917. It's a great movie. All the British people are in there. Yeah, is that the same year? 2020. It was like, what, March 11th, March 10th? Oh, no, that I remember. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that day, yeah. My name's an alcoholic Ben Affleck basketball.

Nice. That's a good movie. No, it's a great movie. It just wasn't, if I knew that was going to be my last movie for a while, I would have picked me on something. Yeah, yeah, I would have made a different choice. I think I had Elizabeth Moss is an invisible man. Last award of the day. We made great choices all around. Right. Best show, once again, we already know before we've been running.

through the nominees that this is going to be Andor. Sinners and Andor have basically swept the versis appropriate, a great reflection of the best that we got last year. But let's see. If anyone can challenge Andor, they can't, but let's see. Who are the nominees? Can you get ready? There's just no way.

Alien Earth. Very special. Welcome to the rebellion. Andor. Are there any questions you might have for us, Carol? I guess to start with, what? The... And Severance.

Okay, I'm glad Severance made it in. Severance deserves to be here. Oh, yeah. The Versi's nominees. Obviously, this is going to be Andor. Does anyone want to make the case for either one of the other Final Four or another show that wasn't here? Can I make the case against all of these shows in the sense of...

You're going to make the case against Andor here at the end of the Verses. Here's the thing. We used to be a proper country. Jemmy doesn't believe in a rebellion. Right. No, no, no. He's like, why don't you just conform? We used to make television shows.

I didn't even know how the 22 episodes of all that. You used to make a TV show and be like, hey, same time next year, guys. Let's do it. And now they're like, cool. They gave Plymouthus. They gave Vince Gilean two seasons off their back. So you said, yeah, two seasons to make this show. You said, guys, you're going to get season two when I feel like it.

I can't, I can't abide by that. I can't do it. That's about my, I can't do it. Severance, same thing. I think if I was president of Hollywood, you get two years max. It definitely takes too long to make severance. No one is arguing against that. You know me, it's swinging back already.

They're paid the Night of the Seven Kingdom. And I love it. I'm glad that we're coming. I'm glad that the tide has turned. Three of our great television partners. But no more. All of equal quality and impact. No more.

Enough is enough. You're my favorite funniest person. Enough is enough. What if Terrible season two is good? It could be. It could be. There's a great chance it could be. I love Severance.

If it don't come back within two years. You're her actual. You're her favorite. You're her favorite. She's just making me feel good by saying it. It's really that we all have each other. Oh, that's true. You don't be all right.

Van, you know. If the show don't come back within two years, they should cancel it. That's my rule. Agreed. Cancel it. If the show, if the show dropped in 2022 and it's not going to get a fucking shot clock. A show shot clock. If it dropped in 2022 and it's not back by 2024, the show should stop in existence.

You know what? You know what I agree? You know what I think, though? I think when there was less stuff, this was easier. True. I think with like now you just, you're getting hit with so much stuff. There's so many must watches. I think when there was less.

less stuff. It was easier to maintain it. Like the Sopranos took a year off or something like that. But now, like in the time that your show is gone, Jesus, there are so many shows that are just coming out and stealing all your attention. Seven episodes every three years. I'm sorry to Joe, the world's foremost, Spinos. I've seen two episodes. Listen, I think Vince was being, was being a little funny when he said, like, you'll

get this one ever, though it'll probably won't be. I think it's 2027 is when we're going to get more Pluribus, which isn't bad. That's two years, right? I think it's really going to hurt that show. But severance, yeah. That has to do with behind the scenes, like, absolute chaos. So, you know.

I think the longer the weight is for Plurbus, I think it's going to hurt the show. I agree. Yeah. No question. Yeah. Okay. This is going to be Andor twice, but let's continue with the ceremony. It could be F1. Nice. Wow. Purses, woo.

Before you open that, do you think your friend got really tired of writing the same thing over and over and over again? No. We should compare the calligraphy across the envelopes. Like, when does Andor start getting degraded? And she's just in our best show.

Hmm. Mm. Guys, it's Andor twice. Oh. The Ring of Verse and the fans voted for Andor. One of the best television seasons and television shows that we have ever seen. Yes.

The best Star Wars. Oh, let me ask you guys a question. Okay, so since we dick riding Andor, let me. You voted on this. I know. What was the worst part of this Andor season? When it ended. There we go.

Going about the way they, I would have taken one a week. Yeah. Yes. As opposed to the three matches? To be able to savor it. Yeah. That early episode with the kids when Cassie was lost was a little, I was like, that was my least favorite story.

That wasn't super amazing. That wasn't the first season, though. Came back. No, that was in the second season. Oh, right, right. Literally the first arc. Oh, right, right. Sorry, I was thinking of his origin.

Can I ask you guys a question? If they released Andor, it's hot take, take hot. If they released Andor one a week with the season that hit the same. Why wouldn't it? I mean, because I think there really is that three-batch arc that really works. Because I think when you, when you release them in these, in these arcs, you, to me at least, I felt like it gave the story more grandiosity. and it moved. So you feel like you're watching

a Star Wars movie every week. Yeah, even how it was structured with the one, you know, one key moment in each year, yeah. Of all the shows that drop in those many binges, like it has the most reason to. Yeah. I think, because I think the beginning

of the first season also was like a slightly slow start. So I wouldn't mind, like, that hybrid which you hate, but like. Despise. Yeah, but like start with a three-episode drop, and then do one a week from there. Don't change. You know what I mean?

The Amazon thing that they do. The Paradise, the prime model, really. Yeah. I was on prime. I despise it. Pella hates it. I don't like it. Give me a banger,

give me weekly. Don't give me two to three episodes so that I think I can just experience the entire show and then make me go weekly for five weeks. That's deranged. It's demented.

But I think they should have done it for him. Dropping to a three off bat is cheating to me. I'm just like either make a really good pilot or just to your point, just give me the whole. It's a little cynical thinking that you would bail after one episode, so get three and then really good.

Two I think sometimes is acceptable because like I don't think you remember what it was those first those first Andor episodes of season one. Yeah. Like, I'm really like, I'm really like, like, seriously.

Like, I say this, because if we're watching Andor and we're watching that episode with the kids, I'm like, I know that there's something else coming so I don't leave deflated. It takes the energy through a little bit more. I was just wondering what you guys thought.

But I think like the Gorman arc, like I could have taken a week between. Yeah, for sure. Because that was intense. I mean, it was heavy. We didn't talk about this for Best Line. But like when, Cassian and Cyril

see each other. She did. Who are you? I tried. But it can't beat that other. If we're going to have an Ander nominee, it would be I think if we had a best moment category. That's who are you?

Yeah. Well, that's why we do that episode every year at Huffler. Exactly. And that was on that list. And that was number one. Anything else? Any other thoughts? Those are our category.

Should we run through? Should we refresh on what the winners were? How many times do you want to say Andor are in centers in a row? Okay, best visuals. Fantastic 4-4. For the Black. for the black hole chase scene. Best line, Andor won.

They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. Best character, Clea and Smoke and Stack one. We had a split outcome among the Ring reverse panel and then the fans. Saddest moment, same thing as split. Gorman Masker from Andor

and Joel's death. Spoilers from Last of Us. Best music, I lied to you from Sinners won both votes. D upset. Beating Golden. Best new character. Dr. Ian Kelson from 28 years later.

and I ball jockey. I forgot about that already. Just a great moment in the history of the verses that I fall jockey won an award. Best director, Ryan Coogler. For sinners, won both votes. Best showrunner, Tony Gilroy for Ander, won best, won both votes.

Best movie performance. Michael B. Jordan, won both votes. Best show performance. Diego Luna won both votes. Best movie, sinners won both votes. Ander won both votes. The people are spoken. What a year.

What a year for Andor. Incredible. And pluribus. And pluribus. Also there. And the eyeball docket. What a year for the verces? What are you for the verces?

Let's thank all of the people who worked so incredibly hard. What an incredible effort from the team. The homelopes. The champagne. The visual. The trophies. Amazing. Thank you to the entire ringerverse panel here of the esteemed voters and experts.

Wonderful. The fans, of course. Thank you for voting in advance so that we could incorporate your feedback. into this award show. Alea. Alia. Absolute legend. Carlos.

Yes. Big Los. Legend. Jamie. John Richter. Carly. Yes. Shout out Carly.

Neil. Craig Gaines, Helena, Jack McCluskey. Yeah. Copy. Yes. Let's go. Copy team.

Jacob, Kevin, C.T. and Chris Waller. Amazing. Thank you. For the social. Joe Me? Hey, Steph Sanchez. Follow House of our pod and the Midnight Boys' Pod.

Okay, we didn't say that. Yeah. I was expecting you said with the titles. Do that. Follow the new handles. I see the comments. Jomi's job is saved. No, it's not.

I got a lot of work to do. Please follow. House of Our Pod. The Midnight Boys Pod. And guys, Arjuna wrote the thank you's. Didn't put himself. Classic. Come on.

Arjuna. Thank you, Arjuna. For creative directing and EP this extravaganza. For real, me. I will say, yo, shout to Arjuna. I'm so sorry. He's like, can you please vote?

I'm like, damn, my bad. So Arjuna, you really deserve big thanks. He said that he is keeping a living document for the next verses, like writing down candidates in real time so that we, in theory, don't hit the moment that we always said where we're like, what happened last year?

We'll see how it goes. Clever boy. Charles? Yo. Care to take us out? Do it. The verses are over. We're nerds to our core.

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