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Episode Date: June 12, 2024

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great ideas. Charles is sick of it. On today's show, we're giving you your ideas and reactions to episode three of the Acolyte, and in the process of doing that, we'll be spoiling all of Star Wars. We would be spoiling Clone Wars, rebels, Revenge of the Sith,

all the stuff that you read in the EU, you know, whatever is out there. We're going to spoil it, and we're going to spoil this episode of the Acolyte. Steve, giving me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about The Angolite. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. All right. To begin our reactions, we bring you the Midnight Manifest. Got to put you in the know. Only Charles can do that. Chuck, take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for episode three of the Ackelike,

directed by a coconuta, written by Jasmine Flournoy and Aline Chim. We begin 16 years earlier on planet Redoc, where we see a little May and a little ocean. they are taken care of by a coven of force sensitive or should I say threat sensitive which is one of their moms is a spiky horn mommy she's kind of like Darth Mall, mother Kirill and the other what?

The other is a black mommy, mother and a Siaiaa. They created these two four sensitive little twins. May, she's like, damn, it's so nice to be in a wish covent. I never want to leave. And OSHA's just like, I got dreams of playing with other force sensitive kids and being a Jedi. And then shit turns left when the four Jedi we know, Indara, Soul, Torbin, and the Chewbacca motherfucker come.

And they're like, yo, it's against the rules to be raised a force sensitive kids. And May is like, fuck the Jedi. Oh, she's like, damn, I want a lightsaber. So they trained. They're like, oh, man, let me show you how force sensitive we are. And then May gets really, really upset with her sister when she realizes she's about to leave with the Jedi. and then we get our first hint, something happened when they were on Bredoc.

Everything burns down. All of the wishes of witches are burned. May runs away. OSHA is taken in by soul. And that is your episode or recap of Act Light episode three. Let's get into it. I liked it. I actually really liked it.

Okay. I thought that it actually gave the show a little depth to me. Mm-hmm. Before, the show was good, but kind of a series of happenings, kind of people doing stuff, telling us about things that we should care about. In this episode, we got a little bit of emotional undergirding as to why this show will work if it does work. Not a lot of Jedi-type stuff, not a lot of Star Warsiness, kind of a more intimate, self-contained story about family and about expectation and about exploration and about, like, you know,

betrayal and all of that, but I dug it. What about you guys? I liked it a lot. I agree with you. I think exploring the background of Oshah and May, especially this early, helps with a lot of context. And I thought, honestly, like, seeing all the Jedi, like, that, you know,

Kelnaka, the Chewbacca motherfucker you forgot to mention. I said the Chewbacca motherfucker? Yeah, his name is Kelnaca. How hard is that to remember? Oh, all right. Why do you feel like you treat them that way? Trader Joe Chubbacca? Wow.

It's crazy. Hey, how's your weekend going? Any plans? Wow. Why did you feel like, why? Tell us, get it out. What the two? I've just not saw.

Here's the thing. They've been pushing the Chewbacca button a little bit too much because they got the. Chewbacca button. It's a race of species in Star Wars. You're racist. I'm racist. You're racist against wukies. First of all, think about what?

Black people. Black people can't be racist in a galaxy far far away. That's not true. That is very true. First of all, there's not enough. Think about how it feel for you right now if someone was said, hey, the Tupac motherfucker. It's a whole race of Tupac's and every single black person was Tupac.

Think about how you feel every is there's no one. Even if it was the best black person, the best half black person, Barack Obama. Even if, even if someone used one black person for all black people, that's racist. And you saying, depending upon how cool the black person was. No, that doesn't matter.

So if you just like, if somebody's like, damn, you're a prince motherfucker. So you're like, cool, Prince is. We're treating Wookees as well. Like, we can't be doing that. That's actually kind of a sort of a salient point. But at the same time, but at the same time, but think about it, it would feel good at first. But then if you walked into a place and you realize that their word for black person was Prince, that's fucking racist. Like, I mean, that's, that's fucking racist.

So you can't do this. His name is Canaka, Black Cresanton. There are other wookies. There's a whole race of wookies. All right, I have two questions for you. Have we seen in films Planet of the Wookies?

Yes. Have we ever seen a planet of niggas on films? No. Exactly. Continue with our instant reaction. What is that? But what does that have anything to do with it? So there's not enough black people

for me to be racist in a galaxy far, far away. No, that doesn't matter. All that matters is that there are black people and you have to make the decision. How many, five? You have to make the decision to treat the Wookieies as individuals.

Now say his name. Okay, just move on with the fucking shit. We got some context about why Osham they are the way that they are, but there's still something there, right? They start the fire, but like the whole thing explodes. Does that make any sense? So it's a nice little, okay,

we kind of know what happened, but we really don't. And I think for the mystery aspect of the show, it really enticed me. I was very intrigued by that. This show actually gave us some mystery. Yeah. Because we obviously, I don't think that it was May who started the fire. Well, it's definitely not May.

I already feel like I know who the Sith, the Sith motherfucker is. You do? Yeah. I'm putting my cash out. I think it's Indara. Because Indara was looking at, you know, when they was on the ship and they were testing, like, their middle chlorines and how fourth sensitive she was. Soul was like really trying to connect with OSHA. Like, oh my gosh, like, you're so special, whatever.

And Indara was like locked in. And she was just like you. Like cut all the fucking shit. I need this power. Is there's, is it possible that there's something about the kids themselves that the Jedi either find threatening or that the Jedi feel like they have to have? Absolutely. Because if you remember at one point, the Jedi are, the reason that they're hiding the kids is because the Jedi say like this is against like Galactic Law. to be raising

force sensitive children. So I'm just like, wait, why are the Jedi, why do they have a monopoly on, I guess, essentially training children? And then their two moms, it's like, wait, how did they create these two? It almost seemed like an Anakin situation

of like how did these two very, very force sensitive children come to be? Because even the witch coven, it seems like not only are they already powerful, than the rest of their peers, it seems like they're training them to be like, oh, one day, they might be stronger or more force-sensitive

than any Jedi. That's what I got. There's a lot of, like, plot and emotional shorthand that comes in this show that I actually think is, like, really good and advanced, because the way that their mothers were talking about each other when they were fearful of the Jedi taking them away, and their one mother's like,

well, what if I were to tell them how you created them? Because, like, I carried them, but you created them. And that's allusions to, like, the living force and how Anakin was made and all those things. But we can only discern that by how she, like, derisively said that to her. Are they closed? And this gives me the opportunity to go into a segment I like to call

shit I heard online. Shout out to Allen over at Generation Tech. If you guys are not watching Generation Tech, I'll tell you one thing right now. Of all the Star Wars experts, I have ever won. watched, Alan from Generation Tech is the top-tier Star Wars expert. Wait, is this the motherfucker you tried to show us? It was like, this is the economy.

The economy of the ships. Oh, these are those two-hour deep dives on YouTube. No, no, no, no. It's not necessarily always two hours with him, but he just has such a grasp of Star Wars. It makes me feel like I never read any Star Wars books. Wait, so we're launching our YouTube channel and you're taking one of the first videos to promote another YouTube channel? Yeah.

All right, cool. Appreciate you. Let me tell you something about your kids real quick. See, like the problem is, the problem is that you think that's bad. See, if I say what's up to him, maybe his channel sees our channel, all of these things are together. It's not about Joe Me. Honestly, that's Vince Grand Master Kaz's moment. He's just like showing love, showing supporters.

It's a big internet, Jomey. It's a big internet. Let your inside insecurity. Let it out. Security is my right. Let it out. Let it out. Is that how you touch the neutral zone?

Shut up. So anyway, what he was saying, if I can get to fucking get this shit out, what are you saying is that? To Steve's point, it's a possibility that these kids are creations of the living force. And there's also a possibility that, shout out to him, that them being twins would actually create a force diet. If they say diad, I'm going to never watch the show. And then if it's, come on.

then creating a force diet that could be potentially dangerous for the Jedi because the force diet has obviously we know has very specific power and that this is the reason that they felt like they needed to either make these kids Jedi or to split them up. So there are reasons to why four Jedi would come way to this planet to approach this this covenant of witches and try to extract these kids from their care. and those reasons might have to do more with just more to do with more than them just being forced sensitive. Right.

And it. Shout to Alan. Your recent text, shit I heard online. Shout on Alan. It was very interesting because like I kind of feel like both of those kids were getting pulled in between a rock and a hard place because I'm like, I don't really know how great they were off with the witches anyway. It feels like they were.

Well, because they clearly know that they're very powerful and they're like using them. for their witchly demises, but also having motherly love and care bestowed upon them. But they're also like kind of using them. And it felt a little exploit. The witches are using the kids? Yeah.

I mean, there's no other, there's no other children around, which it seems like OSHA is, feels deprived. They can't go out of the city limits. So I think that was another thing where if we're, if OSHA is like our Luke Skywalker right character,

I do, when Soul is, like, oh, there's other force-sensitive children. OSHA lights up and she's just like, what? And I do think, to your point, Steve, well, I think the coven probably is better than the bureaucracy of the Jedi. I do think the show did do a very good job of being like,

yeah, like we're exiled. Like, we're not exactly welcome anywhere, but in this small community. It did feel a little cultish. It did feel like OSHA was alike. It's a coven of witches. Well, yeah. And as cool as that is, which like,

I love some cool witch shit. You do look cool. OSHA can't go on a field trip? So this is the thing, though. I think that's why the episode is working for me. Also, OSHA obviously represents the part of Star Wars that we have always come for, which is exploration. I want to see the galaxy. It's a big galaxy.

You can traverse it. I'm stuck here on this planet. I want to get off this place. I've heard about the Jedi. I want to be a Jedi. It's almost as if the force is directly messaging to them in different ways. Yeah. Like the force being this grand, huge.

amazing thing that everyone has access to. Maybe it's speaking to O'Shea in a way that makes her want to go out and feel the force and see things in a different way. And maybe it's making May, who seems to obviously be more connected to the dark side. Maybe it's giving her that need to protect, that need for connection, that need for passion, that need for all of the stuff that Anakin had that wouldn't allow him to get away from who he was. And to see that in the two characters was interesting. And I think that's perfectly balanced with Soul. I've re-watched the first two episodes, and I really kind of actually love what Soul is,

the character of Soul is doing as like an emotional, like, center point for OSHA. Because with this context of knowing that, like, he is, like, driven by his emotions a lot more than almost than any other Jedi that we've seen. And he's very tender and he's very sweet to her. and like wants to like help her and never wants her to feel like fear and all these things like it's a beautiful

little turn from him in this flashback to see that he wants to like offer like a tender hand to her stop the cap bro what are you talking about? I have to, I legally have to play stop the cap though. Oh, you're awful.

Here's the thing. You know what it felt like when like Sol like handed OSHA the lightsaber it felt like when like a cop will go to the hood and he's just like, hey, Sunny, you want to be a police officer when you grow up? And like, I was like, talk, because here's the thing, if I get handed a lightsaber as a kid,

I don't care if the Jedi are cops. I'm like, bro, I get one of these. I'm like, dog, like, soul ain't shit. I was curious, I was like, did he put the safety on that thing? Like, he just gave that child. Like, she was like looking at it. I was like, yo, bro.

I'll be honest with you, if she didn't fucking hit the lightsaber and they would have went through her head, that's a funny thing. Remember when you saw, like Luke just looked down the barrel of one of those things in the first one. So where are you from, the cops would come and give guns to children? Here's the thing.

I've seen, like, honestly, I should have used the Army because it was like, it's like when the Army recruiters would be like in the school and they would like target the kids who really didn't have no future. You just like, hey, you son. God damn, that's crazy. Every time I will walk by the Army recruiter, they would be like, hey, son, have you thought about what you're going to do after you? And I'll be like, I'm going to college.

You know, it's me. It's me. Van Lathan from football. You know, yeah, I'm going to college. Why y'all keep talking to me? Not going to, it was he fucked up because the Army recruiters, like sometimes they be in the lunchroom

and sometimes I'm like, why y'all always putting the table next to most of the black people? Like, why can't, like, why? I'm like, why do you put him against the rich white folks? Like, they were, that's how soul felt. They see, they see him walking by our fresh bodies. He's like, you want a hell kid?

Yeah. You want a hell care. Fresh bias. I see you. All I see is. Afghanistan. Used to be a Camaro. Oh, it did.

Used to be Camaro. Honestly, I was, I won't lie. Once I got to college, I wasn't a little jealous because you would get, like, the guys who would have just got out the army, you'd be like, yeah, my education paid for it. Did it did a da-da-da. Look at all, y'all broke motherfuckers. And I was like, hey, man, it's cool, bro. They always had a lot of electronics.

Yes. Because they went to the duty free or the PX, whatever it's called where you buy stuff. Yes. And so, like, my boy, my cousin Rara, shout out. out to my cousin Rara, who worked his ass off to be a Marine. He was up over 300 pounds, like 320. He got down to inside the regulations and then came back diesel. But we didn't even care that he came back in such a good shape.

Man, he had all kinds of stereo equipment and all of this stuff, all kinds of stuff that he bought from, I don't know, was it the PX? I grew up on the PX. You know, the PX. Yeah, because you can get all, they give, they give everybody like super, super cheap groceries. and then to your point, as a kid, I'd be like, look at the PlayStation's. They're like 20, 30% off.

He had a PlayStation that you had to put a special disc in to make it play. So the PlayStation was from Japan. So in order to make the PlayStation play, you had to put a disc in it. And it changed the region lock thing. Yeah. And then put the game in it.

Man, shout out to all, man. Did he have the PS for all, like the PlayStation for all, y'all? Yeah. If the Jedi offered you a PlayStation and a lightsaber. I would go to the Jedi, whatever. I would say this. We have to talk about the fact that

the copification of the Jedi is going so far that we need a good Jedi or awesome story after this. Because... Not all cops? Story? I guess.

I'll be honest with you. I'll just be honest with you, bro. Because they're fucking with me with the Jedi now, man. At this point, the Jedi are not just cops. They're like bad cops. and I have a feeling that we're going to

find out that the Jedi killed all of those witches I have a feeling that that's going to be I definitely do because I do not think that made by herself started a man and then ravaged through the entire covenant and killed there was some reason that the Jedi wanted

all of those witches dead and another way another hint to that is in the way the character of May is coded. She's killed two Jedi, but they are not playing her like a villain at all. No. So because of that, we're going to find out that they

killed all of those people. And besides the great Paduan slaughter of whenever that happened, this will be like one of the worst things that I've seen the Jedi do a period, definitely on screen, besides, you know... It seems like so even in the present

timeline understands that something happened on that planet. Yeah. Because he's not just like, oh, May is evil. He's just like, he's not saying she might have had a point, but it's kind of like something happened there. Yeah.

Where, because I'll be honest, once they embarrassed my man Torbin, when like Torbin was like the rookie and what's her face. Yeah. Yeah. Him with a normal face and not a terrible wig was jarring to see. Here's the thing. I was like, that white boy probably went crazy. And May was just like not on my watch and I think that's probably how it started.

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Yeah, Mother Anisea. I thought she was great. Really good. I thought she was fantastic. And something that she was able to do in the show to me is like there was a heart and an authenticity and a strength to her performance that sometimes I feel like these Star Wars shows, these newer Star Wars shows, don't really get into the humanistic part. of these portrayals. But I thought that she really did a fantastic job and really anchored the entire episode.

I thought her explanation of the thread was really interesting. Because we're so used to seeing like the force, the force, the forest. She's like, well,

there's also the thread, which is the force, right? Right, yeah, it's their interpretation. There's interpretation of it. I thought it was nice. It's like one thread.

You weave them together. And I was like, oh, this is a nice little, never heard it like that before. That's pretty cool. Nah, she wasn't talking about shit. Like, it was so funny when she was just like,

he's like, these other motherfuckers, they use the force. The force is bullshit. We use the thread. And then she started describing the thread. I'm like, sounds like the force to me. Yeah, it is the force.

They just called the thread. Yeah, but she was trying to be like, hey, yo, Oshamay, that force shit is dumb as hell. It's crazy. That's a black woman. It's crazy. You're like, it's a black woman. It's giving her black-ass explanation

of some black-ass shit. And Charles said, fuck her. Okay, Charles. We know how you feel. Because I feel like y'all are lying. Turning point USA. Charles, this is Charles Holmes from Turning Point USA. Fuck the thread.

Charles Woodlock. Oh, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You don't like what they have to say. You don't like what they have to say. I mean, I don't know if I like this episode, which probably.

Let me tell you something. I was thinking about this, if we had to give the force another name, because they say it's the thread, like, what name would you give the force? The juice. Oh, I love that. The juice is, yeah. The juice. Like, Anakin, you could be, you just see him as, he's like, yo, that motherfucking juice are like crazy.

But it's funny, though, because if they were to say that, just think about it. Like, Yodo would be looking at the dark juice. The juice is very strong with him. And then the Anakin's out of control. The juice is loose. Let me, let me stop. The juice is loose. That was your opportunity.

That's where I was going. Like OJ? That was going like, I mean, is what? I mean, Samuette is kind of like, O.J. A little bit, you know?

Aneken is definitely like O.J. Like, you thought you knew him? Like, you didn't? He came back for redemption, but did he? I'm just thinking about the used car commercials that Anakin would start.

Hertz. Hurt's, hold on, you guys, Anakin's story is very parallel to OJ's story. It's the same story. I mean, honestly,

even in Revenge of, This is it. I was a little bit like, go off my fucking like, like when he came back and Star Vader, I was strength and stability to my new empire. So you felt the same way. So you felt, okay, what?

I mean, I don't condone anything. When you understand. I was just like, I was just like, finally one of our brothers gets treated like the white man gets off. What? All right back. I'm with it. You are, man, I remember black people were just like, oh, I mean, the OJ thing is one of my worst moments.

I was in high school, I went around doing a little dance. Whoa! That's one of my worst moments. I was completely, rest of peace, Johnny Cochran, I was completely indoctrinated by the trial. I was walking around like, oh, look out, those literally girls walking. down the hall crying. There was. What?

Because, like, I was, there was girls walking down the hall crying because it was like a, you know, we had, in Louisiana, the diversity is black and white. It was white people

and black people. And you were shipping next to the white women, I was going nuts. Oh, shit, we on, we on. Stop it,

that. That is not fucking funny. And then, the only thing that got me right, is when I got home, my dad was there. It's like, hey, you see, O.J., they cut them loose, huh? And I was like, yeah. My dad was like, yeah, he killed them two people.

You don't mind you. Oh, dad was like, yeah, son, I want you to be careful. Because that ain't way to, that's not, you know. That'll happen. My dad was like, yeah, he killed them two people. So I know how y'all feel him, but just, you know, think about Jesus. Oh, but think about Jesus That's what my dad would always say

Whenever you was getting off on something you were supposed to get off on Hey, think about Jesus now That's what you should have told homeboy when Or Zingas almost got hurt I was like dog, that's bad Jesus That's crazy That's crazy Let's get back to the show

Okay, so Joyter Smith's performance great Was there an understanding from you guys As you were watching the show The reasons that they might have had such distrust and mistrust of the Jedi were the Jedi inherently a threat to the way of the

life of the Coven did the Jedi sort of represent structure, bureaucracy, the cops of the galaxy, control of the Republic. Are there a group of people out there that view the Republic, even in this high Republic period,

just the way we will come to view the empire? Oh, I absolutely think that it's coded that way because, hey, the Coven isn't that big. Right? And in most of Star Wars story storytelling, we don't really, when we think about the force, we think about the Jedi,

and I think what this does is the witch coven. I get the sense that they're living way removed from the center of the galaxy, almost in hiding. They think the public, their planet is not under Republic rule. Yeah, so that's even why they're mad when the Jedi show up because the Jedi are like, they're like, why are you fucking here? We're not even under your laws.

They even say, like, hey, we can raise force-sensitive kids if you fucking want. You're out of your jurisdiction. You're out of your jurisdiction. And the Jedi are like, motherfucker, our jurisdiction is everywhere. We don't care. Even when it's almost sinister

where I'm like, oh, they had four Jedi come here. They have this big ass ship. And then they have these two kids walk into the ship alone. I was a little bit like, they're almost indoctrinating the kids a little bit. Almost no, they certainly are.

Yeah, so I was just like, if I was one of the witches, I feel like, yeah, fuck this. But think about a rule that, allow someone to come take your kid if they're force sensitive. Yeah. Think about that. That's horrifying.

Yeah. Your kid's force sensitive. So that means they have to become a Jedi, which means they have to disconnect from you, which means you don't get to love your kid if at two years old or three years old, someone somewhere in Coruscant detects that they are force sensitive. One day a guy shows up walks away with your daughter or son. Yeah. I mean, even Seoul, it's, it was a tender moment, but it was almost sad.

Because when Soul is talking about like, well, they took me away when I basically was a kid and he barely remembers his parents. I'm like, why is this supposed to be good, Soul? Like, it's, that's bad. And that's a very interesting moment because when she's like failing the test on purpose and Carrienne Moss is like visibly annoyed and she kind of like, Like, there's a subtle, like, look to Soul to know that, like, okay, you're good with the kids. You're the one that's, like, going to actually, like, give him a soft hand and, like, actually come to our side. Like, Soul almost feels a tad used and manipulated in this because he's the emotional one. He's the one that, like, can, like, play to their better emotions and, like, you know, get the kids on their side.

And none of the other Jedi are just kind of looking on and being like, all right. He actually, that actually, to me, is the most important scene in this episode. But when she's attempting to fail the test. Yeah. Obviously, she's been ordered to fail the test. And he won't let her fail. Yeah. Now, there are two ways you can look at it.

One is you can look at it is that she has intrinsic value because she's force sensitive. But him not letting her fail already establishes a master Padawan relationship. It establishes the relationship of someone who is a caretaker. he is able to trick her into using her talent. Even still, double ed sword, he's making her, in a sense, he's doing it so that she ends up doing something that it doesn't seem like her family wants her to do.

Right, but it proves that she can do it. But it proves that she can do it, and he knows that she actually wants to. Yeah. So in the moment that he's like, oh, no, blah, blah, blah, he's tricking her, he can see the potential in her even if she's trying to hide it,

which is essentially what you want from any mentor, master, or like, you know, upper type of. You don't want that. I was kind of on, what's her face, the Darth Mall, shoddy side.

Like, I was just like, why are we letting me, these kids don't know shit. Well, here's the thing. I would not let my kids go to the Jedi. The Padawan do not have a great history. Most of them don't make it out. So, like, why,

I don't care if a kid is just like, oh, one day I want to be a Jedi. I'm like, motherfucker. Well, I feel like in that period of time, they probably did have a good, like, record of, you know, making it to a total. Peaceful time. Maybe.

Peaceful time. I guess there's a change. Not everyone has their different jobs at a Jedi, right? So there's literally a group of Jedi that all they go do is make plants grow. So I'm. That's a job. I'm shipping off my kid to be a space monk accountant or gardener? Fuck no.

You could be. You could be. A librarian? It could be your kid could be responsible for a whole planet of trees. All right, so let's put it this way. Liberian. Liberian. You know, he said Liberian.

I definitely said Liberian. Okay. That's got Liberian. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on? What's going on? Kerm, you're behind. Did I say librarian or Liberian? Damn.

Tough. That's tough. You know, that's just me represented for my African homies. Okay. Shout out to my librarian, humis. Yeah, they got the best Joe off. That's not true. Don't do that.

Don't do that. But, but, Kerm, first of all, Kerm. Kerm, we still have it. You know, Kerm, don't, if you're going to get involved, then get involved, bro, because Jomi already brought the Joloff around. He brought the Joloff around and we tasted to Joloff and the Joloff was fucking hidden. It was hidden. The Joloff was so good it made me mad at Steve because I thought to myself, think about the

Joloff I could have been eating for all of these years if not for Steve. If not for Steve's people and what they did, I'd have been had all of this Joloff. slavery cost me so much rice. You know what I mean? And so I was pissed off about it. But I'll tell you something else. You weren't there. We haven't had your Joeloff.

We haven't smelled your Joeloff. We haven't seen your Joe Loft. Wait, did we invite? Kerm to the Meat Night Boys. What's Kerm invited? Kerm was absolutely invited. You got to take. You got to the thing.

No, come on. Why did you not come to the thing? Because you didn't want to show your Joe off. I got invited at the last minute. So did Isaiah. And guess where he is? Isaiah came through. Isaiah came through.

Shout out. Isaiah. Our Celtics are doing. well. Our Celtics. Have some shame. Have some shame. Bring back shame in 2020.

Jesus. Okay, look, so we're doing a June teeth cookout, and if you want to come by, it's the opportunity to come by and do the Joloft Taste Off. I don't know. You just do it. Sit down, car.

You shouldn't even be celebrating June teeth, and neither should you. You shouldn't be celebrating June teeth. I've got to come to work. You shouldn't be celebrating June teeth. Me and Steve got to show up to work. I'm not on the same level, man. That's for

NBA, foundational black Americans. That's like, that's our. Y'all trying to get him. I can tell he got to record higher learning after this, man. God damn.

Because, like, y'all all try to get in on our holidays and then y'all have your own holiday. You'd be dancing around or we try to come dancing. You're like, no. This is for us. What has that ever happened?

No, I'm telling you. That's what happens. Like, y'all like, Jomi, Nigeria, you'll have their own holiday. And I'll be like, yeah, Nigerian Day. I will say...

Not the carry last. In fairness, Jomey? What's up? When we would have the African homies in school, they would be like, to the block, he's like, we're not alike. We're not.

And that day, it happened. And now it's June teens and y'all want to come and let your slide. Fuck all that. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. Brother.

I'm joking. I'm playing. So also, what do we think? Because if I'm like the mothers of this coven, I do feel a certain type of way where it's like, you raise these girls, they're force sensitive, they're about to be really powerful, they're about to invest back in their own community.

Absolutely. And then the Jedi come take them, because here's the thing. Yeah, you wouldn't want to give your kid up. OSHA, like, here's the thing. OSHA and May, I'm like, damn, we could have two of the, I don't know, the biggest mid-clorian count motherfuckers in the galaxy,

and they're just going to be too random Jedi. Like, here's the thing. The other thing when you go to the Jedi is, unless you, Anakin Skywalker, you just basically a scrub, at least with the witch. Coven, they buy. You say these things with such

certainty that are just not true. So unless you're Anakin Skywalker, you're a scrub. All right, name me someone that's not Anakin or Obi-Wan that was getting busy. There's so many Jedi. Confisto.

Yeah, there's so many. Motherfuckers got packed up within the span of a few years. Okay? It's not going on. It's like, we don't have time to get in to. If they were so powerful, Because if we're being honest, right now, these are the most powerful Jedi right now.

Who are? This era, by the time we get to our era, these motherfuckers are fat, they're washed, they're bureaucrats, they're not ready. Darth and all comes in and fucking Quigone and Obi-Wan were like struggling that mother. Quigon is old by the time he's fighting Darth's Marrth. No, no, no, don't do that. We've already proven this. He's like 65 years old in the movie. Supposedly, but he's so connected to the-

force, he should be good. Nah, he ran out of gas. Like, he was, that was like Luca. No, man. No, no, no, no. Let's go back to this. Why y'all always, when a fucking Jedi gets washed, y'all always give him like, nah, nah, but you don't understand.

They was having an off day. They were not having knee issues. I'm like, either you that guy or you not. Well, obviously, Quigon wasn't that guy, but he had done a lot in his career to up to that point. I think it's fair to say, yeah, he had a great career as a job. I think it's unfair to say that either you're Anakin or you're a scrub. The Jedi, the law of Jedi.

I think that's crazy. I mean, here's the thing. If the Jedi were really busy, like, if they were really in the gym, locked in, Clone Wars wouldn't have gone down like that. All right. But that's the whole point is that they're not, right? That's the entire. So they're scrubs.

So they're not the point. I feel like there's a middle we can figure out. There's some Jedi who are elite Jedi. There's some Jedi who are not. It's like any other thing. Base wind who got packed up Like that was a sneak of that By the emperor

No Did George Lucas say that That base won that fight And then what's his name? It's Mason was violent So he didn't win All right whatever All right bro you're not serious

So for the rest of the coven of witches Therefore sensitive too Right Keep saying witches Are these like The like Dathomere witches Like

No I don't think so It's it's It alludes to it But again it's like So long ago That like it probably isn't the same Because those were like That was like a galaxy away

There's gonna be like a sister coven That's what I'm thinking Is she is the um I'm assuming that there are more witches In Star Wars than just the witches With different covens and different sort of Was she the other one The spikes was she

Like a knight Not a knight sister but Not a talking about like yeah like Like of that elk Yeah because I was wondering I'm like could this be an off Early offshoot where it seems like They're the two leaders

That's what made me think about it Yeah it's like there's like There might be like different Like we have the night sister to our coven of witch's death mayor and we have this. But they don't refer to the force as a thread. They don't like have those types of rituals

that we've seen before. Way, way, way in the future. But they do have, these witches do need to work on their marketing because if I'm OSHA, I'm gonna be real. These motherfuckers got lightsabers and we still use them bow and arrows and staffs and shit. And that's the whole thing where I'm like

when you got like the force or the threat or whatever, you need to come up with a weapon that is as cool as a lightsaber. Because even when the Jedi are acting like cops, I'm like... Well, the Jedi are very old, and their use of lightsabers was a, there's an evolution there. They started off using swords, and they fought with swords, and the swords were force-sensitive, and they would use the swords weren't forced-sensitive. They would use the force to wield the swords.

Then they were like proto-sabers, and then after the proto-sabers, they were, they got a little bit better, and they got to a point to where the lightsaber technology was there where they can use it. I mean, but like, the witches have like chiber crystal infused boxing gloves. You know what I'm saying? What? With chiber crystal bullets. Here's the thing. I'm thinking, because here's the thing.

Nunchucks again. If the witches were like to OSHA, be like, yo, you get a Glock when you're 18 full of chiber crystals. I'd be like, what a motherfucker with the sword going to do? What does a chiber crystal glock mean to you, Charles? Like, what does it do? It got a bunch of like force-sensitive chiber crystals in it. You know, shoot the chiber crystals at people?

So like kind of like Ezra. Wouldn't make more sense to use the Khyber crystal to power the actual, like the Death Star? Yeah, it's a power to shoot the beam. Yeah, you don't want to shoot little shards of Khyber. Khyber is very rare. That is true. Wait, so you use the Khyber crystal to power the gun. Yeah.

Boop, boon. Oh, the bullets should be what? What do they use the Mandalorians? Baskar. Besscar bullets. Besscar's expensive, though. You would be a terrible, terrible, terrible head of state or leader. You got the most expensive military ever.

you're going to shoot Bescar Bullets? This is that This is like $1,000. Well, this is like 100 years before so maybe Besscar they don't know

maybe they're wasting it. It's like how we use gas. They were popping them and they get up and they're like damn we used it on. This is back when gasoline was like 25 sets. So once again

enjoyed the episode. I will say this though I will say that the kids here were, I don't mean to be a dick about it, but the kids here were kind of a weak link. Now the acting of the kids wasn't fantastic.

I mean, just, I have to be honest with you, they weren't fantastic. Although I did, something new happened. So you got pluck

on one side. OSHA was pluck. Right. I figured out that you can neutralize pluck with darkness. Oh, wow.

If you have a group of kids and one of them is plucky as fuck, all you need is a dark kid. It's like some Damian Noman kid, some like... Yeah, so...

If let's say Leo, kid Leo was plucky, if there was somebody that she was with, right? Right. It had some darkness in them. It undercuts the pluck. It balances the pluck. You need an evil kid. That's why you like Damian Wayne so much. Damian Wayne.

That is exactly why you like Damian Wayne so much. Damian Wayne, he balances the pluck of other Robbins. Yeah, but here's my issue is I feel like May and I always feel like this with like, you know, you ever meet a kid where you like, damn. you got some bad fucking vibes, yo. Like, do you ever meet a kid? Oh, yeah?

You got some like, just real, real-ass motherfucking vibe, right. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Are I lying?

Hold on. This is going to be, this is going to be the most controversial story I've ever told. Oh, no. This is going to be, because I'm going to tell this story

and there are going to be people out here who know that I'm talking about their kids. I'm not going to mention any names, but I always told you, I wouldn't hide this. I love you, but I'm still watching you. One of the younglings that is around in my family, or almost being nephew,

one day his brother got in trouble. His brother got in trouble, and I was like, yo, I got to tell your dad and your mom about what you did. I have to. Because normally when I'm watching the kids, anything goes. It doesn't matter.

We eat what we want. We go what we want. We do whatever we want. Okay. Nothing irresponsible. just like we're here to have fun. It depends on your version of irresponsible. Okay.

I'm an uncle, whatever you would, like, whatever you, what do you want to do? We do it. Like, have fun. Hey, have fun. We do the stuff. Okay. All right.

And, you know, he did something bad and it was something out, okay, we got to tell your parents about this, right? And the whole day he was scared. He's like, Uncle Van, no. I'm like, I'll tell him. Got to tell. I can't not tell him. Uncle Van, no.

His little brother, number one, was so giddy about him being scared. He kept going up to him going, oh. How old was this child? One is three. One is seven. Okay. So the three-year-old is giddy. So happy.

He's like, oh, every time we would forget about it and have some fun, he'd be like, don't forget. You're going to be in trouble. Yeah, that's me for sure. You're going to be in trouble. You're going to catch a whoop. I'm like, get off his back. I'm like, I'm like, what's you doing? Did you ever think at this point I don't even want to tell

because a three-year-old being annoying about it? It almost got me out of it. It almost got me to a point where I was like, you know what? His little brother is giving him so much of the business that I don't want to tell now, but something was broken, and I could not not tell.

Okay, yeah. Like, I told you not to do something. You did it anyway. I could not tell. So parents come home. I tell him, and there's going to be, we're from Louisiana, there's going to be corporal punishment, right? I'm like, man, you don't even got to do it.

I'll replay. No, he always breaking stuff, he blah, blah, boom, boom. And I never forget it. He was getting the spanking, and his younger brother was looking at him like this. Yikes. I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yo, yo, what's so funny? Leaving you off is crazy.

And I'm like, waving you off. The whole time, and he's over, he's like, his brother's walking away, crying. That's nasty. I go up to my brother, I'm like, yo, man, I was going to let you know. I think something wrong with this little nigga. I'm going to be rude with you. I'm like, this is also the time when Dexter was popping. Oh, God, bro.

I was like, I think something wrong with this little nigger, bro. I don't, like, it wasn't regular. I know sometimes I was like, and he was like, oh, his brother got whooping, he laughed, huh? I was like, you've seen it? And he's like, yeah. And I started, like, hiding knives around him. He's older now, and he's fine. He likes to fight.

But he likes to fight. I'm sorry. He likes to fight. but I would see, I saw the darkness in him, and I kept him close. You were Obi-Wan. You were just like... Yeah, I kept him close. Make sure I got him the presence that he liked.

Oh, hey, no, bro. You know what I catered to him a little bit, because I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure what was going on. And to be honest with you, still not sure. Jury still out? Without a game left. Jerry still out. But, no, look, I thought that the best...

balance of the kids worked really well, but it wasn't the finest performances I've seen by young actors. Do you think it was, because I will say for this episode what I did like, I like the structure of it. I love the narrative. I did actually think that, like, everything about the witches and the Jedi was very, very interesting. But I was like, the flashback episode almost seemed like it came a little too early for me,

because it almost cut a lot of the mystery out where I think it was teased that these four Jedi basically had done something corrupt on this planet and maybe May definitely does have a point about going after them. But after this episode, I'm like, this is still a mystery show where the central mystery to me has mostly kind of been, like we know the Jedi probably did that shit. We probably know May if she's not innocent, at least isn't that guilty. And even whoever the Sith person is, I'm looking around where I'm like, if the Sith person is a new character, that'd be wild. So it's someone on the board

and I'm like, who was you cast as a Sith person who has the gravitas? And that's why I went to Carrie Ann Moss, where I'm like, because it's the trick of a pilot episode being like, you kill Trinity in the first episode. And then every single time they show Indara, there's like this little

sinister edge to it. So I'm like, the mystery of this all isn't really as me as I'd want. The only thing that cuts against her being whoever this mystery, dark force user is, dark side force user is,

is that you see her die in the first episode, and this is years and years after. So she essentially would be living a double life between between being a Jedi and being a dark force user,

and then her apprentice would have essentially had to have killed her. But what you remember with Managicicinto had mentioned in episode two where it's like, your master's gone to great lengths

to hide his identity from you. Yeah. So they don't need. even know. That's why I was just like, wait, so May doesn't even know who that is. Who it is. But she's communicated with them after. Wait, so it couldn't be Indar. So no,

because I thought, I don't know if Indar is actually dead. Dead. Okay. So Indar went back to her home planet, killed all her homies, then came back later was like, yo, I could help you get the people who killed the people. One of them is actually me. Didn't tell her

that, though. One of them is me. You remember me. So I think Indar, because, Here's the thing. It's not the Indara, but like the reason why I'm just like there's some breadcrumbs there is because I'm like, wait, why are these four, why are these four Jedi there? Once they see that these two powerful kids are there, that's a very Sith thing being like, I don't want them to go to the Jedi.

What if I get one of these twins? Like, I actually do think that it makes sense that like a powerful Jedi would want basically these little Anacons. You know what I mean? it's almost like a Palpatine situation where it's like Palpatine lived a double life. Yeah. A double life as a senator. Yes. Right.

Maybe it would be harder to do inside of the Jedi and being so close to them. But the Jedi don't even at this point, the Sith are so far away. Why would they suspect anything? They wouldn't because it's just like it's not like even like yo, it's like oh, it disturbs or whatever. But like these Jedi are like, we've been on top for so long.

We're so fat. We're so like comfy. Would they even be able to sense that shit. Look, you don't have to tell me when you've been on top for a long time, you just want to change positions. It's tough. You know what I'm talking about, Arjunct.

Can you not? Why would you do that? There was no need for that. Arjuna laughed. There was no need for that. You normally never laughed at anything that I say, but that one got him. So, so, you know what I'm saying?

You got to play where it was. That one got them. Look, I don't know if it's Indara, but I will say this. I think the episode coming at this time was important because I think this is the only mystery that we have Okay, like we don't have There's not very much other mystery in this mystery

Just to say that we didn't necessarily need a mystery I suppose but it's a whole show It's a mystery show It's a mystery show Yeah, but like the mere fact that we have Just added context rather than like the aha moment That counts as a glitch out What?

The fact that you asked Does the mystery show? Mystery show need mystery. That's a glitch out. I mean, I glitched out earlier. We got glitch out, glitch out, glitch out. Jomey was over there talking about Liberians. Is that glitch out?

Does that count as a glitch out? I don't know. I don't know, but that's a glitch out. You're like, we don't need any mystery in the mystery show, but finish making you glitched to point. No, no, no, that's fine. My lower third now is just glitched out. You glitched. You glitched.

Yeah, you glitched. They're looking at me like the glitched. So then, okay, so then what do you feel like? what do you feel like if not a mystery then what is the show? It's not the fact that it necessarily has to be stringing us along

for that mystery entirely. I like the idea that this episode laid the groundwork for explicitly showing us the conflict between May and Oshah why she would have beef with the Jedi and maybe a bit more of the added mystery of who killed all those witches

and who our mystery master is. That's all that like is kind of brewing a lot. But like she still is the mission. We still have to find out if OSHA whether or not she'll actually become a Jedi or want to go back to that order or not. There are a lot of like plot elements that are still kind of just up

in the air that we can still explore rather than focus on the what's and the wise necessarily. See the that makes sense. That to me it does make sense. In all seriousness, that to me is what the show has become. It's not about who's killing these Jedi. It's about why. And that is,

Ben fucking Lindberg said this. It's not a who done it, it's a why done it. Yeah, it's a why don't it. Are the characters interesting enough yet for even like average artists to care? Because I do think I was like thinking about Andor.

I'm like, the thing that actually Andor had was like Rogue One sets up, kind of the tone, get Cassie in. And then by the time we go back for Andor, they're not building just from the ground up. Where with the acolyte, it's like, I haven't spent enough time with these Jedi

to really give a fuck when they die, if they're evil or not. And I think that's the, that's going to be the challenge of the show to make me care about OSHA or Mae or Seoul or Indara because right now after three episodes, I'm still kind of like, who am I rooting for? Why should I give a fuck?

And I think that this What gets the show across the finish line For me is that while the exposition can be a tad clunky Maybe the acting is occasionally from different performers Sometimes stiff I really like the questions that they ask I really like the ideas that they throw out And I really like the

Small character moments that really count To make me care Episode to episode And like it has its flaws but like I really like where the idea of this show can go. And especially after this episode, I'm still all the way in. Like, this is pretty great. Does this feel more like a Star Trek show?

And I don't actually use that as like anything against it. More so it's like even sometimes the style of the acting, sometimes how small this feels. Not in a bad way, just small in terms of. If we had a whole episode of like trade negotiations, then we'd be talking more Star Trek. But because even a lot of these actors don't feel like Star Wars actors. to me. Why you say that? Because I feel like there are certain, to be a good Star Wars

actor, you basically have to be very good at, like, getting through a lot of, like, heavy exposition and being charming enough to not really make me care. Like, Oscar Isaac, even though he didn't have a lot to do, he was very good at that in The Force Awakens where he was just, like, his energy and charisma, like, the Han Solo.

One-no character, though. True. Yeah, he's a, I mean, and that's not to dis... I mean, he's not a lot to do. But it's like even a lot of these actors, these are all really, really talented, great, dramatic actors. But it is funny sometimes watching them have to deliver a bunch of like gobbledygook. And I'm just like, oh, you're almost too talented to get through all of this,

which is throwing me because I'm just like, that's why in a good way, this doesn't necessarily sometimes feel like a Star Wars show. This feels like somebody trying to be like, how can we elevate a Star Wars show and give, like, the character, who's the actor who plays soul? El Lijon Jai. Yeah, like even when I'm not buying all the science and shit that he says,

his eyes and the way he's talking to OSHA and the emotion that he has, I'm just like, oh, this is what's carrying me to him. So, yeah, I think that the acolyte is ambitious. It's ambitious in its aim and its goal to have a different

take on the classic Star Wars story. and to use all of the characters and situations that we're familiar with in sort of a different way, I think a straight-up who-done-it might have been more accessible. But what they're trying to do, in my opinion, is they're trying to weave all of the concepts

that we are familiar with. So, example, you say we're familiar with Cassian, right? So us being familiar with Cassian from Rogue One, you wonder what turns somebody into someone who is so absolutely devoted to their cause. Yeah. There's a brutality to his character in that movie and a curtness that makes him almost not

the typical Star Wars hero. He was almost soulless, and the whole thing of that movie is like getting him to the point that he's willing to sacrifice himself. And then when you come back to Andor, obviously we see other examples of, that. We see what the cost of freedom of the galaxy is. We see what the galactic civil war has done

to people. Here, I think the idea of the Jedi, which has been, you know, endlessly played with and toyed with and explored and litigated, but also what the, what harmony means for different people. Does harmony mean being a Jedi? Does it mean leaving the Jedi? Does it mean being a part of a familial witch coven where the Jedi can't get to you? Is it better off for me if she becomes a Jedi? When she's talking about, I want to leave and go explore the galaxy. Normally, in old Star Wars fair, we look at that and we'd be like, that's great. She wants to be a Jedi.

That's awesome. But we're not so sure she should do that right now. I mean, we don't even know that one of the smaller mysteries is we don't know why, unless I missed it, why OSHA even left the order. Like, this is something where she was like, right eye. And it hasn't been that many years. So I'm like, what happened during the Jedi, her Jedi training to be like, fuck this? So it's not as if the show isn't asking us questions, but it's asking us questions more about mythology right now than it is about the characters.

And I understand how for some people, it's questioning the commonly held order of things. And I understand why for some people, that might be a little bit hard to access because there hasn't been a lot of character work done in the show. That's not the type of show it is. No. There hasn't been a lot of character work. Number one, you have one actors playing the lead playing two parts. So that means that we can't

spend a whole shit ton of time with OSHA. We can't spend a whole shit ton of time with May because one actor playing two leads. We got to spend that time with both of them. So there hasn't been a lot of character work done, but there's been if not

world building, world questioning in a way that makes me, like into it. Do you think that it would be more successful? Like if you take like knives out, the thing about the original knives out that I think centers like grounds it is that you have Daniel Craig, you have Benoit Blanc who almost is like an audience circuit where he can explain stuff, but he's just such a charisma magnet that it's just like basically throughout him, you are learning about all these characters where it's like even now I'm like, who is the detective of this mystery story? Who is that person where like things get unwieldy that they are all,

they are trying to figure out what is happening. Because it's, it's kind of soul. It's not. But it's not. And it's kind of ocean, but it's not. It's the audience. Depends on the way you do your mystery. Sometimes you're, and you're right.

It's easier. Sometimes you're looking at the mystery through the eyes of one character and you're going, hmm. And sometimes stuff is happening. And it's just leaving you to wonder. Because of the wire even. Like, it wasn't always McNulty. Like a lot of times there was like different characters,

but they always were like, all right, who is leading the audience through the mystery? And then the genius of that show is like, the Barksdale organization would also have that central character where it's like they are trying to figure out something. And I don't know in the show, I'm like, who am I supposed to be like looking at in the frame when shit gets too complicated?

That makes me feel like, oh, I'm in safe hands and I'm like grounded in the mystery. I get it. I enjoyed the episode. I thought all the questions about it are probably pertinent. The show is not clicking on all cylinders, but I do think that it's sparking.

I realize that there's been a lot of mixed reaction to the show, but I can only be honest in that it's holding my attention. What types of mixed reaction? Like, not the racist stuff, but what have you been seeing? The show is slow. It's not a true mystery show. It's not Star Warsy enough. You know, it's different.

I think it's one that we're going to have to judge in its totality when it's all finished but it's not a waste of space it could certainly like peter out but at this point I think the jury is still out I mean I hope the audience hears of it

like when I talk like even though I'm not the first three episodes I'm not completely on board with the show I haven't written it off like there are tons of shows where I'm just like I don't expect to get any better or whatever and like this show I'm like I'm still in my seat I still kind of want to see what happens

And I do like the swings. Like, even when the witches don't work, I'm like, a witch coven that's talking about the thread and they can use the fucking force. It's interesting. I'm like, it's so cool. All right. So look, last night,

why are you? The Boston Celtics triumphed over the Dallas Mavericks in Boston. Despite Jason Tatum's. Despite Jason Tatum's thrilling performance. By the way, all the Jason Tatum copium apologists, he's playing great. He was sitting great screens. almost had a triple double.

If you watch that game and you thought that's my lead dog right there, I don't know what to tell you. Hell yes. But Boston, it's a foregone conclusion right now that Boston's going to win the NBA championship. Let's go. So we all watch it together. It's Midnight Boys, the home of a dear friend of mine, very dear friend of mine, a person I love him, love his family. It's something we have to talk about here. So earlier in the day.

Let's talk about it. There was a conversation about whether or not we were going to all watch the game together. And I had actually forgotten that this friend had invited me over to watch the game. And so there was thoughts that we were going to come here to Spotify and watch the game together. Jomey said, hey, they're going to put the game on. Do you want to come watch? I'm like, yes, I'll do it. Steve says, yes, I'm there.

And Charles says, no, I can't do it. We understood why. Yeah. It wasn't a big deal. Life stuff. Life stuff. Life stuff happens. Then, this friend, who is one of the most successful movie producers of all time.

That's the only way to say it. Said, hey, Van, are you coming over for the game still? And I was like, yeah. I forgot, yeah. come over, hang out with you, see the family, hang out with everybody. It's great to see you, come over. And I'm like, oh,

I'm with the Midnight Boys today. Is it okay if the Midnight Boys before I, yes. Would love to hang out with the Midnight Boys. Can't wait. I have so many questions to ask, and by the way, he did. We had all kinds of nerd conversations. These guys,

thankfully the hose were not there. They would have been very scared. It's like, whatever. He's married to one of my dearest friends as well. It's great. We had fun. So I go back to the Midnight Boys in the group text. And I say, hey, we can all hang out over at the Spotify studios.

But just to let you know, Blank Blank has invited us to his house. to come and watch a game. Charles immediately changes his mind. Well, a couple things happen. First, shout out of it. Here's the thing. I'm about to give you out some real nigga shit, bro. So a couple things happened.

I'm not even, I'm real. I'm Hollywood as fuck now. First of all, I was dealing with life shit. But then after that, I had some, you know, plans with, like, a nice woman that I've fallen through. So already my schedule was clearing up, right? then I was just like, yo, y'all go in a Blank's house, are y'all going on Blank?

And I was just like, if these niggas go without me and some shit is happened, I'm like, they're like, yo, Charles, guess what? And I'm just like, you know what? I'm about to pull the most Hollywood movie fucking ever. I'm just like, I'm sliding through. I don't get fuck, y'all can judge me. Here's the great thing.

You could have just lied in middle of like, oh, hey, I just cleared up. Charles had already met him, by the way, because he was at the birthday party. No, but here's the thing, here's a thing. Also, too, I'm not even going to hold you. I'm like, I really want to see. how this niggas living.

I just got to visualize it. You know what I'm saying? I just got to see. Great home. That's crazy postern. You guys, here's the thing. Is this my camera? This is my camera?

I'm a fake-ass nigga, bro. I'm not even going to hold you, bro. I've been in L.A., I've been watching. I'm not even feeling like that. I'm like, y'all going to wear hell. Oh, my goodness. I am. Y'all like, I'm not even going to give y'all no excuse.

I was like, there's a thing. If we be real, I love the midnight boys. It was just like, yo, we're about to watch this shit at the office. I'm like, I got to be at the office like 7.38 tomorrow. Fuck all that shit. If you're like, oh, shit, we're going to so-and-so's house. I was like, you guys, bro. This is what I'm talking about.

There's a new Coke baby is done. Hollywood homes. Oh, man, bro. You don't even understand. Hollywood, Coke baby, done. Everybody got to get on board. With Hollywood homes. For Hollywood fucking homes.

It was so funny. It was so funny. Chajum was crazy. Kalika sitting right next to me. And I'm like, I'm like, Charles is coming now. She's like,

of course he is. You guys, here's the thing. I really did have life shit, but I was just like, damn, if I miss this, bro, I'm gonna look like,

nigga, you could do that shit tomorrow. I'm from home. I'm like, taxes can wait, bro. And guess what? We had a fantastic time. Lovely time.

Absolutely. Except for the part of the Celtics one. Like, no. Hey, bro, Jason Tatum, we'll get him next time, but Celtics. Oh, that's what I have to say. We'll never watch sports with Charles again. Never. That was the first of a second.

Let me tell you something. Hold on first of a second. We'll never watch sports with Charles again. Charles's contrarianism. Charles was one of the closest people in the world to me. And I get it. I understand it. It's a part of who Charles is.

But you guys, Charles is type of guy that you take. to the LSU game and Charles is like let's go Alabama I can't in the sports setting the contrarianism it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't contrarian though

bro y'all let me tell y'all what he's committing to bits you can't even imagine what really happened was that the whole room was room for one team and Charles was just he was he was gleaning a lot of pleasure and watching us fail I'll tell you what this is he won the biggest

eight or narrow no he was not because sometime in fourth quarter. Chris Daps. Oh, that was nasty, bro. That was so bad. Bad vibes.

Bad now, bro. And we were all like, me, man, much was like, oh, no, man. We don't want to see him

get hurt. He'll want to see him get hurt. There was one dude. He's going to rename, nameless. He's not, he's not one of us. He's not a great guy.

He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's like, yeah, let's go. I'm like, whoa, whoa.

You got a chill, bro. Had a great time. Hollywood Holmes has been born. I can't wait. I love this. This is what I was hoping for you when you came out here.

I warned you because you got to six, seven months. I was just like, bro, dog, I've been, here's the thing. You guys, I've been telling you

I'm going to sell my soul, but I realized in Hollywood, you just can't do it all up front. You kind of have to cut it. Piecemeal. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because you want to,

you want to, you want to dangle it until you can sell it for as much as you could give for it. Yeah. You know what I mean? You want to dangle it, dangling it,

then somebody comes through with a real offer and all of a sudden, Bam, Charles Holmes, Fox Nation show. 3 p.m. Oh, right, bro. God damn. Let's go. That's all right.

Fox Nation Plus 899. Charles, Cain and Holmes. Coming in. Tomorrow, the Midnight Boys are back again to give you their reactions to the three-episode premiere of the boys. Also, tomorrow, House of Arr gives you their deep dive on the Acolyleine on Friday.

And In addition returns to give you their review of Inside Out 2. Yeah. Okay. Again, on Friday, He does this every show. Inside out, too. Next week, the Midnight Boys will be giving you two episodes,

one on The Acolyte and one on House of the Dragon. Houghton. We goaded with Hode it. We goaded with Hode. We goaded with Hode it. We goaded with Hode. I said, we goaded with Hode it. We goaded with Hode.

We goaded with Hode. I don't like this. Yeah, you love it. Okay, our producer is Steve, the architect Alman. Jonathan X-Men Kermon is also producing, and Alea in Paris, Xenaris is helping out. Jome Ageneron on social. What?

Jome Ejeraon. This is a lot of names for me. I know that he's been looking at this thing. Get a real name. I heard him delay When he's like When he's like Curman

Let's do it again Leave this in Our producers are Steve the architect Alman Y'all might not get fucking nicknames on it

Steve's the architect Alman Jonathan X-Man Kerma and Alea Xenaris Xenris

Zeneris Zeneris Oh Jesus Christ Alea in Paris Zeneris Jomi Adelian on

socials Hashtag Sith Lord Jomi additional production from Arjuna Ramgapal. Chuck, take us out. Watch your evil kids. The midnight boys are in their zone. R-I-B to Coke baby Chuck.

Welcome to Hollywood home. We had a big segment of this yesterday. Yeah, we did have a bit. We did a big segment of that yesterday. Do you want to talk about the eugenics of the Jedi? It's not, it wasn't eugenics when I was talking about it. We cannot bring up. We cannot bring that up.

We cannot bring that up. Anytime you guys want to talk about the differences in body styles that make specific cultures good at sports, I'll talk about it on this show with absolutely zero hesitation. Please don't. Because the reality is where you're from impacts how good you are at certain sports. Kerm is absolutely. Everybody has to be racist. It's not about, why would it be racist? Okay.

You know what's racist? Come on real quick. You know what's racist? You know what's racist? It's racist to say one race is good at sports. When the reality is that different cultures and ethnicities have different sports that they're good at. All right. Can you break down the explosive muscle fibers for us?

No. No. You know what? How about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? Jesus Christ.

If the audience wants me to enough, I will talk about on this podcast. Not this one. You got to you see that. See, that's what I'm talking about the bullshit. Why would you bring it up then? You think I'm going to a shy way from it. We talked about it. Anyway.