The Ringer-Verse - 'The Acolyte' Episodes 1 and 2 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

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Okay, before we get into the program, we remind us, let's keep this going. So, Charles doesn't think that in any way... I didn't say in any way. I just said that it was not confirmed. Okay, Charles, was Jabba being sexually inappropriate with Princess Leia? Yes.

Okay, so then what the fuck are we talking about? Didn't want to fuck Princess Leia? I don't know. That's not the conversation. The question was, was... The Hub of the Hut a fan. He's a fan. A freaky-ass nigga.

Well, see, here's the thing. Now, we're backing up, right? I think in all the Star Wars lore, it seems like the huts, that's just what they be doing. If there's a baddie, they just like, oh, it's part of our culture to chain her up and put her up.

That's fan behavior. If he's a freaky-assin a nigga, in terms of the galaxy, maybe. In terms of his culture, I don't know. Okay. So there's a question on Cora about this. Was Jabba the Huts sexually interested in Leah or just trying to humiliate?

her. Oh. This is what we're debating. The answers are overwhelming. that he was like you. Wait, is this canon? No, no, no. No, read the answer.

This is just fans talking. There's one here that says, there's one topic that says, did Jabba the Hood have sex with Princess Land? Oh, no. I don't want to interrogate that. Okay, I don't, look, I'm just saying. I don't think Jabba the Hut has a penis, though.

in the way traditionally we think of it. That's not... I probably couldn't do this, but at the same time, what I'm saying is, he was being freaky. And that's what I'm saying. He's a freaky-ass nigga.

All right, I can see that. I get it. See, look, Midnight Boys. I also socials, Instagram, for now, save Jomi's job, Jomi. Hey, man, June is a big month for us. A lot of fun stuff popping off.

You know, I can't wait. You guys excited? What are we doing for Juneteenth? What are the Midnight Boys doing for June team? Steve? Parties, obviously. The first thing you think of for Juneteen. Wow.

Is this not cause for celebration? I mean, what does Juneteeth mean to you, Steve? So many things. Really. Good or some. A great time to hang out with my friends. Okay. A celebration of a great historical tapestry.

A great historical tapestry? You sound like a politician. You sound like somebody just asking on meet the press. I'm trying to get media trained. Dog, you put camera. on Steve. I will say this. Steve was at the Juneteenth party

last year and he was doing this thing. Look, how many sisters did he try to talk to that? Didn't keep track that day. I was too busy running around hosting the party. So I wasn't on top of Steve's sacked of his activities that day. I wasn't on top of it.

You said I wasn't on top of Steve sat and I was like, where is this fucking going? Yeah, well, you saw it went. So I didn't see by, I always remember hot water cornbread. Okay, look. On Friday, the House of R is giving you their deep dive on the Acolyte episode one and two. Question, I've seen there's been some angst about the Paula Trades Hall of Fame episode I've seen.

Have they done it? It's a long gestating project. Mainly, things have gotten in the way of it actually happening. People have gotten sick. The person leaves town, scheduling conflicts, stuff like that. And it's just kind of, it's become this weird bit amongst the universe where, like, Something will always come up now that prevents the Paul of Fame episode from happening. Okay. Interesting. Okay. A lot of people are asking about that.

On Monday, Buttonmash are giving you their reaction to the summer game fest. Yes. What the fuck is that? What does that mean? It's basically a big, like, YouTube thing that they're celebrating, like, games that are coming out either this summer or within the next year. Also by Jeff Keely? Jeff Keely. What games are coming out? Oh, man. I think they're focusing on a couple more, like, bigger games, like Call Duty Blackop Six.

Okay. Those are the big ones. They're still doing that. Nintendo's not coming. Are there? I mean, they're working on the Switch too. Oh, yeah. Next week, the Midnight Boys will be giving you two episodes on the Ackleit episode three

and the premiere of the boys season four. You guys, the content Armageddon is almost upon us. It can't be content Armageddon because that makes it seem like it's the end. It's just the beginning. I called the content con. Content calamity. See, all those things are negative. This is good.

What is this? The content crush? The content explosion? Content cavalcade. We need, we need alliteration. That's why I said content con. It was like, we're all coming together. That just makes sense of seeing we're all getting dressed up to go do the content. I mean, we can. We can. Content what? I don't know. Content tent? The content crash? The content. What's the game? It's coming down. But it's a crash of content. No, the content crash is like Wall Street. We're not going down. We're going up. Okay.

It's the Content Academy Award Best Picture Crash. Let's move on to the show, bro. Come on, Steve. Yeah, that's a tough one for you. I need you. I need you. Today's show, we're giving you our instant reactions to the first two episodes of the Acolyte.

It's here. The show that no one knew anything about is upon us, guys. And now we have a sense of the tone, sense of the tenor, since of the direction of this particular Star Wars property. Interested to think to see what the Midnight Boys

and the audience themselves have to say about the acolyte. Just let you guys know, we're going to be spoiling stuff here. We're going to be spoiling anything and everything about Star Wars going all the way back to whether or not Jabba the Hut

wanted to have sex with Princess Lamb. We're going to be spoiling other Star Wars properties. We're going to be spoiling the first two episodes of The Acolyte. Steve, give me a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about the Acolyte. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. All right. Before we start, I've got to put you in the know. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wag. And the only way to do that is, of course, a Midnight Manifest. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the Ackolite created by Leslie Headlin. and Headland directed the first two episodes and wrote the first. Jason McAuliffe and Charmaine the Great wrote the second.

The show stars Amanda Lestenberg, Lee Jung Jay, Mani Shasento, Daphne Keen, Charlie Barnett, Jody Turner Smith, Ann Cary, Ann Moss. A hundred years ago before the Empire, the Jedi oversees the Galactic Republic during a time of extended peace. This piece is disrupted when a mysterious assassin kills Jedi Master Indara. Oshah, a former Jedi-Y Padawan that left the order, is the prime suspect in the murder, and taken in by Jedi Knight Yard. and a Paduan Jackie. On Coruscant, Jedi Master's Soul is informed

that his former Padawan, OSHA, is suspected of Indara's murder, and is sent to achieve her after a prison transport crash lands on a planet. After Soul Yord and Jackie find OSHA, it's revealed that the former Padawan had a sister named Mae that was presumed dead. Unbeknownst of the crew,

May has taken in by the master, heavily implied to be the return of the Sith. May's goal is to murder the four Jedi. She deems responsible for the deaths of her family. So when OSHA go to planet Olegah to stop May from murdering Master Torbin, but they are unsuccessful and may escapes again. And that's your midnight manifest.

Charles? What's up? Into reactions. Interesting. Interesting. Things are happening in a galaxy far, far away. Positively, I like that we're going new. I think this was a big swing.

This was a big criticism of yours that we keep going back to the same well with Star Wars over and over. And that's what I liked. Where it was like, when I was watching the first two episodes, I was like, if you're going to get to play in the Star Wars toy chess, and you're going to get to do something, do something that we've never seen before. And at least in live action, we have never seen this time in the galaxy before the empire rises. And I thought that that was, that's interesting. The first two episodes to me felt a lot slower than maybe I was prepared for. And I think part of that is just there's a murder mystery. It seems very much like this is cops trying to catch a robber or this

It's not much of a murder mystery. It's a murder mystery. Not really. What do you mean? We know who the murderer is. I mean, it's more like the investigation of the conspiracy. It's like, because here's a thing. Yes, we know who the murderer is, but it seems like the four Jedi that May is going

after there's some type of thing that happened. And I'll ask you this, Van. I did not, I didn't hate the episode. I didn't dislike the episode. With the murder mystery, I was still like, okay, I don't know enough to make any big proclamations, do you think that this was the way to introduce us to this time period?

Something that's kind of this maybe slow and setting up the pieces and very much, you know, not Big Bang. I think that's the right question. So, for the most part, I enjoyed the first two episodes. If I was just going to get out there, for the most part, I enjoyed them, right? There are fundamental questions

that I asked myself while I was watching them. A couple of them. Number one, the why of the show. Okay. Now, there doesn't always have to be a why of the show. You guys, we talk about the whys a lot of times. We've all invested into the Star Wars universe. So sometimes, sometimes the why is just going to be

because we want to go back to the universe and spend time in it or another place. You don't have to ask yourself why every time you go to the cheesecake factory. Now there are other restaurants that there's a Y. There are other restaurants. It's like you're trying some new, different type of cuisine, and you're going to drive across town for it.

You're going to go to another place for it. French Laundry. Restaurant up in Napa. It's supposed to be the greatest restaurant in the world. I've never been there. But I would go all the way to Northern California to try the restaurant. But you don't need a Y for Cheesecake Factory. You don't need a Y for Cheesecake Factory.

You don't need a Y for Cheesecake Factory. That's a lie. You don't need a Y for Cheesecake. You can't, like, you got a stand in fucking line with the little buzzer. I'm like, why am I waiting for an hour to go to Cheesecake Factory? Well, the why you're waiting is because you want to go to the Cheesecake. Wait, what? The Midnight Boys never gone to the Cheesecake Factory.

Because I don't feel like it's a thing like it used to be anymore. Are they still fucking cooking? It's still part of the, wait, what's the Cheesecake Factory where we, it's right next to the place we saw, Curiosa? In Century City? No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Or the Grove. That one's always popping.

Yeah. The Cheesecake Factory used to be the motherfucking place. And now the question is, why not anymore? Why not anymore? I saw Jessica Simpson's Cheesecake Factory one time getting down. Was this prime era Jessica Simpson? Whoa. What is the present day?

No, no, no. Explain Steve. When they had the reality show. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something right now. It was, she had a little baby. So she was eating for two. Oh.

And I was so happy. because let me tell you something about this. I want to say something real quick, just honestly. This whole thing that women have to snap back right after they've had a little baby or they can't gain weight when they have a little baby,

I want to say that I am against all of this snapback talk. When you have a little baby, feel free. You birth another person into the world. Feel free to live in your body for a little while before you got to post a bikini pick and show everybody that you've snapped back.

And when you're pregnant, go to the cheesecake factory and house shit. That's the, like, I think that we've, the toxic culture that we're getting into about, no, I'm being serious. You know what, guys? Fuck you guys. No, no. I agree with you. You're right.

I'm going to be right. But I will say, motherfuckers set up the cameras in front of the midnight boys. We got Steve talking about the historical tapestry. You're like, guys, pregnant women, shit. No, no, no. What are we talking about strong? I tell you why. I tell you why.

you why. Because, you know, Drea had a baby, and Drea snapped back. It's fucking remarkable. I'm not going to lie. I feel like me and Charles have had the same conversation. It's fucking remarkable. I'm not going to lie. It's remarkable how Drey had got right back to business.

Shout out to Drea. God bless it. It's remarkable. But there's like a lot of women who are going to be like, oh, my God, I've had a baby. It's a middle of a couple things. And now I got to snap back. I'll start by when I saw Jessica Simpson and Cheesecake Factory, She was in there getting busy. Good for her.

Have chicken noodles. And, like, eat them. But anyway, the point is, you don't need a reason to go to the cheesecake. Sometimes. Ergo the acolyte. Sometimes you go there because it's a place that you feel comfortable and you like to go there. Yes. All right.

I agree with business. The second thing about the acolyte is this. I was watching it in this while I was thinking. The Star Wars shows that we've really enjoyed. obviously Andor and parts of the Mandalorian. We've enjoyed them for obviously because they're great stories, but also they've managed to maintain the size and scale of the Star Wars we're used to seem. The universe seems really, really big, right?

It seems really expansive in Andor. The scale of Andoror is incredible, right? In the Mandalorian, the universe still seems really big. my question in watching the first two episodes of the Acolyte, it's very intimate. It's an intimate show, right? Can Star Wars be smaller? Can it be something that's smaller and us still enjoy it? Because I think if we're being honest, some of the other problems we've had with the shows is Star Wars for the small screen, by and large, has felt a little bit more self-contained and compact than some of the,

other stuff. And this show is an enjoyable watch. Once again, you're at the Cheesecake Factory. You're enjoying the food at the Cheesecake Factory. They're giving you portions. But it does feel a little smaller. And I'm wondering if that in the long haul

and the long term will work for people and if the show will stay that way. I think that's interesting way to look at the show because you mentioned scale and the scale of storytelling versus the scale of like the literal, like sometimes you think of locations because Star Wars is always a place where like you were going to this planet now. This is the forest planet. This is

the ice planet. This is the this. This is the this is the that. And that's the amazing immersive, massive, massive world that Star Wars has always been. And almost every show has wanted to do that for every single part of it. And the intimacy that this story kind of wants to talk about almost demands it being bigger because both Majocento the producer of this show and a lot of the stars in it are talking about like kind of a sort of like ideological counterweight to what the Jedi are or have been

for a long time and this is more of like a sort of political origin story of the Sith in a way funded or like propelled by this sort of weird murder revenge story that we're getting on the on part of the character of May and I think that's kind of like the bigger catalyst of like

okay the rage and revenge that one character can have can be the like giant emotional counterweight that all of the Jedi now have to reckon with. I think that's interesting. Johnny. I like, like, I'm with you. I enjoyed the first two episodes.

To Charles's point, I don't, I don't think it was too slow. In fact, I thought it was too fast, right? We learned by the end of episode one that it's her twin doing the thing. And then by the end of episode two, they're like, not face to face, but they're in the same shot.

And she's trying to stun her. I was like, man, this is going, it's going really quick. I thought we would, like, wait for them at least like, see each other, you know? But thinking about it more, it's like, if it's moving this quick,

that means like they're like serving, they're giving us a little something. Like, oh yeah, they're twins. You know, like to, like, assuage us for the mystery. So we're not really thinking about like the bigger picture, like what is going on. Whoever's pulling her strings.

Exactly. Right? And so I'm, I was really excited. Like, okay, they think they got us here, but there's more to be unfound, I feel like. And I'm excited to see where that goes going forward. So to that, Charles, when I was watching it and you see her and they look the same, it's the same person. And then right away you go, well, that wasn't her.

It couldn't have been her. Yeah. That was part of the tension where I was just like, wait, that's her. Yeah. Also, I think that was one of the, I think you have a difficulty whenever you're casting twins in like a movie where it's like if it's just going to be the same act like actor, actress. If you're not Lindsay Lohan, most of the time I'm just like I'm not buying it. Why? I love that like Lindsay Lohan is like the standard bearer.

The only motherfucker who can play twins is Lindsay Lohman. What the fuck? When I was a kid, I was like she's a twin. These are the statements that fucking irk my brain. Why? You thought that because you were eight years old. So it's not that as weird as long as you're different. That was a good performance.

It was a good show. She's fine, guys. Shout out to her. Okay. You're being a hater, bro. Not being a hater. What I'm saying is... Respect Lisey Loh head.

Brough. Okay. Let's tell you guys something real quick. You guys, you guys ever heard of Digital Underground? Yes. I'm just making sure. Rest and peace to Shock G.

All right. I didn't know that Shock G and Humpty were the same person. With the same person. He wore a fucking nose and a... What? I didn't know I was told. This is not the same as Lindsay Lent.

I got to tell the story. I got to tell the story. I got to tell the story. I want you guys somewhere to find a guy. Derek Dairnsberg. Okay. Derek Dairnsberg was a friend of mine when I was in high school. He was a cool guy, big dude.

Me and Derek were cool, right? And I remember the, I got five on it, Loonie's read. I'm in high school. cool. I remember that I got five on it. Looney's remix came out. And that's one of my favorite songs of all time. And Humpty is on the song.

Humpty and Shocker on the song. And I remember I said to Derek, it was Derek or Darren, because it was a Derek and a Darren. Anyway, I think it was Derek. He went to middle school with me too. I remember I said to Derek, Derek had a little bit of a stutter. And I said to Derek, I was like,

man, it's crazy because they got shock and Humpty on the song. And Derek went, that's the same person. And I was like, I swear to God. I was like, what?

He was like, you're fucking with me right now. That's the same person. And I was, and it's high school. So I immediately started trying to like quiet him down. I'm like, don't tell him. Hey, this niggum van, that shock at all these two different people. I'm telling you, this nigga van is dumb.

Y'all think he's smart. Van is dumb. I keep trying to tell y'all. That's so great. Every day, van is dumb. I did not know that they were the same person. Wait, to be fair, did you have the internet in your house at this point?

Fuck no, what? This is 94, 95. That's why I give you. You couldn't look up, be like, oh. Bill Cates. You can see a picture of the two guys, though. No, but here's a thing. Like, it's, it might be what, you're watching MTV jams. You might not, you might only see the video every couple days. I didn't put it together. That's amazing. That's fair. I was, I was wondering. That's honestly why. I was like, when they did the Tupac, I get around video,

I was like, why Humpty wasn't in the video. This is why I was, you know, on Twins, on actors playing Twins is invalid. No, I'm saying I was a kid, right? And so that was the thing. It's not that Lindsay Lohan is Lawrence Olivier Is that you were a kid and you found the belief Maybe it was a Lauren Solihers She got out of them The Vincal was twins in social media Army Hammer. They did a good job too

No Hammer did a great job Jeremy Irons Can we talk about Army Armie Hammer? I mean we can talk about Army Hammer like it's fine There's no one stopping us I don't know this nigga Army Hannibal Lecter But look So back to the twin question

I do think it was a lot saddling Amandaa with having to play these two roles. And at certain points, I was like, I was not necessarily buying that these two people were like twins. It was a little bit. I was like, they don't share any scenes together. So you don't feel like that the tone and the temperature change was different enough when? I don't think acting wise, no. Where it was just like, I don't really get a sense for either. these characters are not different enough,

even though they look alike, for me to be able to do the mind thing where I'm just like, oh, these are two different characters. I was like, this is... One has a short haircut, one has a long haircut. That's more or less it, basically. How do we feel about OSHA? OSHA is our protagonist.

How do we feel about her as a protagonist? We are getting into a new Star Wars show, a new era, with a new lead. How we feel about her as a lead? I like her placement her character's placement in this story

I think a bit more than I find her compelling as a character if that makes sense I like the idea of oh finish that thought no you finish your thought okay

how you like her as a how you like her as elite Steve go no I like the idea of like a failed apprentice and her former master kind of like figuring stuff out

from a past that they have yet to maybe reconcile with a pass that they have yet to maybe reconcile with. Just like America. But keep on.

Honestly, I will say I do think it's a little disgusting that with the platform that you have, Steve, you're attacking a young platformer Jedi. I could have been doing this three years ago. I really should have. No. Seriously, though, but you found a compelling as a week.

No, I like the idea that like a weird thing to say. I like the idea that a character could be. Sorry, kidding. The Jedi have a rich tapestry. No. I think O'Sha is like

decent, it's a decent exercise for this character to like be caught in the center of what the Jedi are trying to understand about maybe how they're not

connecting to things because her master's soul is like seemingly a guy that thinks that he did wrong by her in some way that isn't explained to us fully. And I'd like the idea for us to clearly we're going to be getting a lot of context in the episodes to come about both her sister and her

as to how they were both failed by the Jedi clearly. And I think that's the more compelling aspect rather than I have yet to hear Van mention pluck, but I think we've got a little bit. No, the pluck was from the beginning. Do we feel like this is, I think this is a Star Wars problem, not just an act like problem. where when they want to introduce us to like our Jedi character,

basically they're always just kind of Luke, where it's just like, oh, someone who is like kind of good with machines and has a robot best friend, is kind of plucky and has to leave to basically find themselves as like a Jedi. Like cow cast this to me, same thing. Little mini-droid, good with tech, didda-da-da-da-da-da, we find him in a remote place and then. That's Star Wars, you know, Opus Mona Randy, right?

It's just like, that's what they do. But I think, but I think that's a problem when you're introducing a new Jedi sometimes where I'm like, well, she's not Luke, but she seemed like, it's part of this thing where I'm like, is that all that makes her tick? Is that like, oh, I'm good at machines and like, I have complicated feelings about the Jedi. But, like, again, like, George Lucas said this, it's like poetry. right, it rhymes. Like, this is what Star Wars does.

Yeah, there are character archetypes that have been cycling through Star Wars for a very, very long time. I think we can cycle out of that one mode for our audience surrogon as a Jedi. Because I just think it is difficult to me for me to like care. I'll put it to you this way. Why do we like the Mandalorian besides Grogu and Baby Yoda? It's like, as much like the Mandalorian was different enough. Whereas like it reminded us to something. But there was this idea of like,

oh, our audience surrogate is not just another Luke Skywalker type, a Ray type, a Calcestis type. I mean, a good reason why I enjoy this, and I think why most of us would enjoy this, is that there's not a Skywalker in sight, and people are just enjoying the moment. I'm not with y'all on that shit. Do you, man?

I'm not, I mean, I play the van is old, but. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not with y'all on that shit. You ain't have enough of the Skywalker's, bro? No. I never want to see a Skywalker again. I'm kind of done. Can't be honest with you. I feel like,

Y'all just get into these fucking internet, fucking narratives. And the internet narrative is like fucking take over. We don't have nine movies. Now we don't want to talk about the Skywalkers anymore. It's like internet narratives. Well, I'll tell you what, you guys keep saying that you don't want it. It doesn't seem like that. You don't fucking fuck with anything else.

No, the haters want to serve it. Whoa. So when did, let's be real. of the Star Wars stuff that we have enjoyed first couple seasons of Mando when does Mando start kind of going off a cliff the minute it becomes another Skywalker song when I ask you this

what's the so you weren't fucking stoked when Luke Skywalker shows up in Mando that's not one of the greatest scenes in Star Wars history Oh I remember people were mad at me because I was just like Oh you see nigga this is like I can't fucking do this with you So that wasn't awesome

I at that time I remember because I was still a hater. I was just like, oh, this is a, this is kind of the beginning of the end for this show, because the thing about this show that was so interesting is like, oh, they made a compelling story where Luke Skywalker is not the sun that everything orbits around. And the minute that he was, and then Asoka comes in all his shit, you're just like, oh, this is no longer about Mando and Grogu. What makes Andor interesting where it's just like, even though it is set during that era, we don't have to deal with fucking Luke. Why was Obi-Wan kind of not great?

The minute layer shows, you're like, oh, okay, sure, yeah. So I disagree with you with this, but this is what I will say. Once again, you guys are right, this is an old thing. If you have delved into enough Star Wars, you know that, like, there are archetypes, even the Mandalorian, right? Right. One of the biggest non-Star Wars archetypes that exist in the universe is the archetype of the bounty hunter, right? It's a big, big deal.

I will say this. I do think that it's overstated. the fact that the Star Wars family bogs Star Wars down I think it's overstated but where I will meet you is that the young naive searching for more than what they are a hero

is something we're gonna keep coming back to in Star Wars it's just a good way for people to discover the complexity the wonder and the power of the galaxy is through someone who has yet experienced it. And it's a good surrogate for the audience. I do think it's interesting to say, hey, what if you take that from somebody like Saul's character or somebody else

and deconstruct it so we find it out, right? Yeah. If you take someone who's experienced it all and then pull at it until we understand, like, what it is. And some of the best stories that we like have actually been able to do that, right? Have actually been able to do that. They're outside of Star Wars. I think what they tried to do here,

I think they knew that we would feel that way, which is why they made her a Jedi that left the order. Because now you've got to wonder, we're assuming that the audience knows what the Jedi order is and we know what their history is and we know what they mean, that they haven't gotten good outfits yet in this show.

We got to talk about. We're assuming that the audience knows that, but what will we discover about the fractures in the Jedi order? that we already know that are going to come to exist through this character. Can I ask this about the Jedi? One thing that, like, when I was watching this show, I was thinking, as Star Wars, are we kind of getting tired of the Jedi suck?

Where it's like, if you think about the history of Star Wars, at this point, we have gotten way more stories about the Jedi politically not being all there. This is another contemporary Star Wars trope. I actually don't agree with that fully because we, the viewers and audience can see the holes in the Jedi Council's logic from a very long time, but like, I feel like rarely they've actually been really taken to task.

No, this is the thing. Like, they're always going to, like, you have to, like, look closely to see that the Jedi are messing up. Star Wars will never tell you, ah, Jedi sold this one. They'll always have, like, there'll be moments. There will be, like, conversations where you have to put it together ourselves as watchers and listeners,

be like, okay, this is what's going on. This is why they failed. But Star Wars will never come out and be like, the Jedi kind of stuff. If you think about it, starting with the prequels, and this is, I think, of anything, this show is very much indebted to the prequels. Once the prequels happened,

like that original trilogy, the Jedi are a mythical type of force, where it's like Yoda, like Yoda did fuck up, but he's still someone that a mentor figure that Luke can look towards. and be like, oh, you're still a good... Deified. Yeah, like, Obi-Wan Kenobi is someone that is, like, larger than life.

And the genius thing I do think story-wise about the prequels is like, well, of course Luke would think that he's a child, here what they actually are. But I think even with Force Awakens, all this stuff, we've gotten to this point where I'm just like, oh, is it interesting or compelling anymore when the Jedi are just kind of like basically cops with bad politics who don't, like, who are just lame and dressed like shit.

And I think that this might be one of the best things that the Acolyte could be possibly pulling off here is when even the Jedi themselves start to think, oh, maybe we're not all that. Because, like, and when we get to the second episode and May is tasked with killing that master who's like, he's got a force field around him, he's meditating, he's, like, sat with a terrible, terrible. Oh, wig watch. The wig watch was terrible. generational wig watch coming I was like, bro, come on. That's cool, nuts. But like when she appeals to him

to like kill himself essentially with this poison, he willingly does it and he says like we thought we were doing the right thing. And that's that to me is something that's like actually eye opening to like find somebody that actually took a vow of silence to know that they did something wrong. They were a part of

something that ultimately ended up being against what they believe in. that to me is actually really compelling that I hope the Ackleid actually explores. So something that's interesting about that, I want to talk about the combat and the show in the second, but something that's interesting about that is like how a piece of law sets as fundamentals.

Those fundamentals are set, and they undergird that piece of lore for a long time until the audience changes. Yeah. So we've started to ask different questions about institutions and what's good and what's bad, right? All throughout the 80s, cops good, bad guys bad. U.S. Army good, everybody else bad.

This good, this bad. Well, in the last 15 or 20 years, we've started to reassess what we think good and bad are. And it's more about intent and ideas than it is about structures and organizations. And Star Wars and many other things are going to have to adjust to that changing perception of the world. Bad Boys ride or die is coming out. Oh, God. Okay, and I see people in the comments going, I don't want to saddle up for another two hours of copaganda. It's Martin and Will.

All right, yeah, that's good out of being, man. It's like, it's not, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's not a puppy one where they were just like, that's copaganda. Paw Patrol. I was like, I'm just like, let the kids have a puppies. Like, like, Paw Patrol, the fucking puppies are cops. I remember, I was, I got to like a copagant. of the minute I saw somebody went online was like

you know, the wire was crazy propaganda. Oh, that was what's his name that said that? Right. Tore said that he must have not watched the show to the cops. Clearly. They got Brooklyn 9-9 out of here. Yes, so what I'm saying is, you know, with the Jedi, there was a part where in the show where they go, we'll place you under arrest and I'm like, I don't want to see the Jedi arresting people because it's like, right?

I just want to just put the force on them and bring them. Yeah, they had cuffs. Are you saying that I, like, in the near future or getting into like a Jedi series where they're going to be like, yo, non-Jetai Lives Matter?

Maybe. Because, you know, I don't know. All I'm saying is that, all I'm saying is that you kind of glitched out again. Like, all I'm saying, like,

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ritual. Try Activia today. Enjoying Activia twice a day for two weeks as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. I want to talk about the combat real quick. This is like a karate movie. It's great. Okay, let me tell you something about this. I have a pet peeve. Okay. So we get some great action in here. Some great action.

Most of it involved in May. May got sore, little knives that she's throwing to people. Interesting. All right. No, the knife. All right.

Here's the thing. Knives are cool in anything else, right? I'm like, yo, this is when the Jedi are still bad motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? And she kills Carrie Ann Moss. Oh,

that was kind of slick, though. It was slick. Because she, the reason, Okay, so Carriam Moss was fucking Morpheus Neo and the shit out of her. Carrie has to got it. But she actually used the Jedi against the Jedi to kill a Jedi.

Because the first thing that the Jedi had to do is protect. So when she threw the knife, she used what the order is supposed to be about to kill her. And she knew it was coming. She made her make a decision. She stopped. And then once she stopped, Yota would stop both in the bitches. That's what I'm saying. She stopped, and once she stopped, she threw the other knife at her.

That's actually using what the order is supposed to bless all in a while. I get that story-wise. I get that story-wise. I saw that motherfucker Kyle Oren stopped like a flasherball. A blaster bolt in midair. I'm like, you get it pieced out by some knives. But he stopped one. What if there would have been another one?

You can't, whoa. At the height of the Jedi's talents. It was crazy. You can't stop two knives at the same time. I mean, Kyleo the man. Winnie. Now, like a little fucked up. in the head, but that was blastable.

She was close. And you can't stop two knives at the same time. Clearly not. Clearly not. Because she took a knife directly to the chest. And then when she was fighting Torbin, I was like, Torbin's a bad motherfucker because that,

I was just like, oh. Not Torbin, talking about Saul. No, May, Torbin, when he's floating and she's got the- When he's floating and she's like, oh, you got the force to you.

And I was just like, because like that was a part where I was confused. I'm like, no, the Jedi are really, really, really talented at this point. Like, I haven't, we've never seen that in Star Wars, someone using the force essentially that, like that?

I was just like, so damn, I'm like, this knife lady really? Do you know I have a problem with, I have a problem with people that have powers using karate. Okay. I never like it. I think that's a bit of a flex.

I never, no, hell no. I always see to where it's people that got these crazy, like, projectile abilities, but they decide to knuckle up. I never liked that shit. I was thinking... What about...

All right, so, Wolverine... Clause won't come out. But he has no... He has no... That's the only way he can hurt you. The only thing he can do to you is... If Wolverine can... If Wolverine could, like,

shoot the claws at you, and he decided to just run up on you with the claws, that would bother me. If Wolverine... If Wolverine had, like, heat-blasting ability... I mean, he decided... He was going to...

He was going to punch. That would bother me. bother me. I'm watching them do karate and, man, pick her up and throw her off the goddamn thing. That's what I'm saying. I mean, every time, like, he did, Saul did karate with her too.

Like, I mean, I knew that, I know they're using the force to pick her up, throw her down, hold her down, and then get out of here. Also, there were three Jedi and I was just like, I was like, tomorrow, your is useless. I'm like, you're just watching this shit? I'm like, bro, just literally pick her up with the force and be like, yo, you're done.

Out of here. Peace out. Jomey? Spectator. I mean, I mean, we could talk about you another time. It was a,

no, we have to, let's click, really quick, because we're going to get back to, I just have to be real. Does Star Wars

have a black Jedi problem? Because they will not let my brothers and sisters cook. Yord? Fucking useless. Oh, there's a,

there's a lot of game left, right? This is only episode one and two. Yort sucks. He does, he does suck. He's like, he's a cop.

He was very much like, we just got to do it's the right way and all that. You don't want to put cuffs on her? I'm just like, Andy got the fuck boy haircut? Like, come on. I mean, look, we got, well, we got Mace. Mace is tight.

I think we all. Mace is the only cool one. And then who else? Our boy, Finn. Yeah, it's not, I know a Jedi. This is actually a funny story. Who's the shoddy from Obi-Won Kenobi? He definitely is, but it's okay.

Right. Oh, Finn's a Jedi now? So remember in that movie that we try to forget, Rise of Skywalker? Yeah. And he's trying to tell Ray something. he's trying to tell her that he's forced sensitive.

Okay, well, that doesn't make him a Jedi? Well, I mean, he's got the powers. I mean, at that point, might as well. At that point, might as well. Okay, let's look up the black Jedi as we got. Okay, so it's Mace Window. What was the Black Jedi that saved,

What's Your Face? The Played by, I'm at best. From the television show, he helps the young Jedi. With the game show? The game show, yeah. Keller and Beck. Keller and Beck. I liked him.

So you got Kek. Killer and Beck. You got Mace Wind Dude. We got Riva, who's Sith, but. Riva, she's Sith, but we'll counter as a force user. Okay. We have Yord in this? Yord.

Okay. And I, at this point, we have, what's her face? We have Ocia. Ocia. Okay. And May. Ocean and May. Look, I think, no, that's not good.

It's not, it's not. How many dope white Jedi do we have running around? Yeah, there's a lot of them. A lot of them. I mean, they're more black Jedi. Anakin. Come on, bro. And the lavish that we've gotten.

It's not. It's not. Mace is the only one holding it down. Mace is the only one that's great. I'll be honest with you. The Mace is the only one that's great. It's like the Jedi are like hockey. I mean, if we go by it,

the Jedi is like hockey team. Got some black guys there, but only really one that's doing good. It's like a hockey team. And also, they always, they always give. I'm saying. Definitely like multiple black hockey stars. name them Nick,

Nick, it's in the history of hockey, bro, there's a, there's P.K. Subbin. P.K.

McGillica, yeah. Yeah, and then there's one more. Evander Kane. Evander Kane. Evander Kane. When he's he's star,

though, I don't know. All the reason why we know him is because he's black. Shout out to Evan. Wait, he got caught up on the, when he got caught up on the,

he was like, they were like he was bedding on games or something like that. Oh, did he? Yeah, he definitely a nigga. But also, they also give all of them

fucked up haircuts, If you black and start, we've gone over this before. It's not just all-wheres. It's been... You couldn't fix this? We had thoughts about this. The Kill-Marger cut has just has ruined media. Like, I'm just going to be honest with you.

We can't... Brothers, how many times do we get like a new character? It was Spider-Man. It was this dude. Even we're talking about chaos theory just before we started recording. The black character and that got the same cut. So, can I ask this if... A Star Wars Jedi was looking like push a T.

Would you take him seriously? What do you mean looking like push a T? Like push a T, braids, like French braids, ASAP, rocky, just like fresh. So this is the cultural issue with Star Wars. Like Corn Rose, would you take a... I would take them seriously? Yeah. Yeah, why not?

Yeah. I mean, this is the issue with Star Wars. We don't know... That's why I keep telling. They're friends out there. You thought I was joking when I said this. But I mean this. You need a whole black planet.

Star Wars. I don't know about that. We do. We need a whole black. Because we already went over this. Mace Windu is from that planet and it was a jungle planet. Star Wars don't know how to act. Why, I got to be a jungle planet.

That's the only thing. I didn't make it a jungle planet. That's the only thing. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it being. But why the only thing they did wrong was why I got to be a jungle planet? Making it a planet of not jungle. Making an ice planet. Why do you never see black people on an ice planet?

Well, because they're not. The question would be then if it's an ice planet and not a lot of sun. Literally the promo image. So let me ask you this. It's crazy work. Luke Skywalker got two sons on his fucking planet and that motherfucker is pale as shit. That's true. Man, wow.

That's true. But he's kind of not from there. That's true. He grew up. I mean, his mother's from Naboo, right? I guess his father was from Tatuino. His dad was from Tatuino. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's white people on Tatu. Oh, that's a thing. That's right. His mother was a slave. So she might not be from Tatooine. They were born. He was born on Tatouine,

but his mother could be from anywhere. Be from anywhere. That motherfucker's parents are the Middichlorians. You're not telling me the Middichlorians going to... Are Midichlorians black? Nah, they're definitely white. Gotta be white. Gotta be white.

No, but actually, that's not true. So look. So wait, so wait, so wait. But let me tell you, let me tell you why I'm saying this. Hold on. Our Midocorian's back is great. Let me tell you what I'm saying. I do have something, I do have something important to say about the,

or I think it's important to say about the show. Okay, so we've seen you guys be upset about the diversity that's in the acolyte. Oh, not us. So not, not, not us. Not us. We've seen you guys rate the show at 40% rotten tomatoes. Wait, what? They're review bombing.

They're review bombing the show. Yeah, absolutely. So I want to say something real quick. I want you guys to consider. what your criticism of the diversity in the show means, particularly with the black Jedi's and stuff like that. The force is supposed to be this life-affirming metaphysical force that binds the galaxy together

and provides a life, balance, and peace for everyone. Everyone, right? It's supposed to be a building block of not just this world, but of the spirituality of the world, of the spiritual ecosystem of the world and what ties all the characters together. So I want everyone to know that when you are criticizing the show

for opening it up the force to people who are more diverse, you're saying that the black characters don't deserve that. You're saying that the women characters don't deserve to be a part of the greater ecosystem of a galaxy or part of the peacekeeping spirit, the balancing spirit that organizes and litigates that galaxy.

It's a show and it's fictional. But to say that we are not supposed to be able to access that or we can't have that demonstrates something so fundamental about your worldview. As a black man, the thing that I'm most concerned and fearful about is that at my core, think I just don't deserve the same things that other people deserve. That even though I was born here, that I'm not as American, even though I'm on this planet,

that I'm not as human. And even though the saying God made me, that I'm not as much of a spirit. And Star Wars has taken all of those concepts and put them into a show and organized them around one thing that's supposed to be for everyone. Whether you can wield it or not, it's supposed to be there to keep the goutes. galaxy and check. And when you say that a certain group of people and their stories are never supposed to be involved in that, you're telling me what you think of human beings. You're telling me that my fear about that and my concern that you fundamentally think that there's a part of

the human experience and I'm not entitled to that it's right. I know it seems like you guys are just playing and you want the same white guys to run Star Wars that ran it in 77, 80, and 83. I get it. You don't think it's that big of a deal. You think they're forcing it down your throat for reasons of diversity. And there's not a real way. It's not a real reason to do it. But for the ones out there that haven't completely gone off the deep end, I just want you to consider what you're demonstrating to us when you say that.

And although it's not a serious thing in terms of the world, in terms of Star Wars not being real, that makes it real to me because that tells me what you think about me and I don't care how many conventions that we both attend or how many movies and shows

that we both watch if that's how you feel, we're not the same. So I'm not my... That was myself, but to watch the show, which I think, one thing that the show does get right is to show

they're all types of Jedi's, all different types of Jedi's we've been seeing this and that's just, it's just important for what they told us the force is, it's just important that we know that the force,

you know what I'm saying? Ain't like Harvard only picking the white people. So can I ask this, though? Yeah. So do you think it is a little unfair? This is not just a Star Wars thing this is MCU, this is DC,

where we are at a point where for decades of, on decades the only thing Star Wars gave us where it's just like if you're important in this galaxy, you're white and most of the time you're a man. Everybody else can fuck off. That was years. Same thing. All that shit. The acolyte comes at a time where it's just like the acolyte is essentially the question that a lot of people will have is can this fix my fatigue? I've gotten so much Star Wars, so much Star Wars. And this happens all the time where it's like when the black people get their chance when women, Asian, trans, whatever community that is not a cis straight

white men gets the chance. It usually happens at a time where it's like, oh. You couldn't be more right. So it's like I feel bad even sometimes I criticize like an Amanda law or all this stuff because I'm like, she doesn't have a bunch of black actresses to look at in Star Wars and be like, this is how you do a leading woman role in this or the audience has been primed for decades to accept this. You know what I mean? So she's having to come up. with this whole cloth. And I'm like, that other people don't get, like,

that's why the way Black Panther was rolled out mattered so much. Yeah. They were at their peak and they were cooking, right? So, I mean, that's a consideration that should be made by the creatives, you know? And look, I'm to be honest with you. There's some cynicism that has to go into this, right?

Is it bad timing right now for one of the most diverse shows and the history of Star Wars to come out when people, like, to Charles's point, that's just a reality. The only thing you would ask is to, people were review bombing the show before they even saw it.

Yeah. The only thing you would ask is for people to give the show a fair chance. Now, you know what I mean? That's the only thing that you would ask and not say just because it's a super diverse show, we're going to go ahead and try to cut its legs off. But your point is as well said.

But I also just think that, like, that is Star Wars at this. point where it's just like Star Wars and the big fan base, I don't think the creatives did it. And I don't think it was malicious. But I think it was made out of time where it's just like, our heroes are white men. What are you talking about? And I think a lot of people grew up on that stuff, it did not need to be said to them. But visually, that was what all entertainment was really telling them.

Where it's like, if you want to be the baddest motherfucker in the galaxy, if you want to be the strongest person of Metropolis or Gotham City, you're a white person. And I do think that most people don't want to have to ever break away from that because that would fundamentally change the way that they see the world. I agree. I agree. Who is the guy pulling the strings here? We have any thoughts about that? The Sith?

Maybe Sith. Look like he had a lightsaber. Look like he had a red saber. Sure did. Sure did. Look like he had a red saber. And this is who May is working for. So May is both taking out Jedi that she believes.

wronged her in a way some generation ago, a generation ago? The four Jedi that were on her planet. They were on her planet. And I think she's blaming them for the death because she thought, May thought that OSHA was dead and OSHA thought that it was May's fault. So I'm just like... They both thought each of them,

each other were dead. Each other was dead and they both think that, or at least OSHA thinks that May did something to kill their whole family. Right. Now I'll say it's something else if I was going to nitpick. Okay. You know, fucking force sensitive people.

You know, your goddamn sister dies, supposed to be able to feel it. You know, like, you're supposed to be able to feel whether not they're alive or not. This is true. It's like, you know, somebody dies across the galaxy and all I see, somebody knows they passed away the whole nine. I don't know how it works. But to be fair,

you didn't get any force sensitive feelings when his sister was making him hard. So there is... Oh my God. What? Okay, so. Okay, so we're just gonna, okay.

We just gotta, first of all, see now we get even- What am I wrong? We can't stick on that. First of all, we don't even know if that happened. He kissed her. Yeah, but we don't know that necessarily that was the result of that. I don't think we need to relitigate that even. You don't think you would, what was the first time this was ever

litigated? And you like, you're just like, I'm just like, damn. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something now. In Jedi, do you remember what lay us said? She goes, I knew. Somehow I've always knew that Luke was her brother. And Luke is stronger in the force.

So you're telling me he didn't know? Yeah, maybe. Are you saying that they, some fans? Luke is definitely a freaky assness. Skywalker family in general. Yes. The Skywalker family are fans? Is a freaking?

Hell yes. First of all, if we want to be real, dog, we all saw a fan of menace. You know what I'm saying? No. That, no, no, no. And again, like... No, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, something.

Hold on, hold on for a second. What's going on? Guys, guys, what's going on? This conversation. Guys, what's going on? What's happening right now? Guys, what's going on? The true fan and fan of menace is actually pat me.

That's what I'm getting at. Okay, so I don't want to have an inappropriate conversation, but yeah, that's not right. But, but... You ask the, you guys ask the questions, and historically speaking, here's the thing. All right, if we go back, Schmey gets knocked up by the force. insane. Is the Force a fan? Yes!

Did the Force ask for consent? We'll be right back. I don't think it's right. How does the Force know she could afford that? Like, it would be such a problem. Also, here's the thing, the Force went after a slave. Oh, my God. The Force is a fan.

Like, I'm just saying, Who didn't, damn me or she was just trying to survive out here and saddled her with a whole mouth to feed. She didn't ask for that shit. Man, so Kerry-on Moss went out sad, huh? Yes, she really did. Yon Jiontings ain't locked in, well. That was crazy, huh?

Are we going to see Carrie Ann Moss again? We have to have flashback. I have to be. There's no way that we only see her for one episode. Because there's a thing. This show, they was like, yo, Carrie Ann Moss, Jedi, Jedi, da-da-da-da. I'm like, oh, hell yeah, she shows up. When she gets taken out in a couple minutes, I'm like, all right, man, fucking this

marketing shit. Deceptive. Deceptive. Very fucking deceptive. I assume that we're going to go back to the planet that May and Osha are from. We're going to see that. I assume that Kiran is going to pop back up. I saw a wookie use the force. That was great. I've never, ever, ever, ever been more locked in in my just fucking life. Break that shit. Who are you, nigga? Like, you mean to tell me a wookie uses the force, a big strong

who uses the force? That doesn't get you going. Man, y'all love some jangling keys, bro. What the fuck that mean? What are you doing, baby? You're like, oh my God, a wookie who's in the force. Oh my gosh. Like, come on, bro. You're not wrong.

Come on, bro. It's why I'm here. Yeah. He's like you're not wrong. I like it. You know what I'm saying? All I got to see is some shit. I'm that guy.

Yeah, we're simple. Sometimes. Like, I like it. You know what I'm saying? You ain't never seen. I mean, Gungi used the force. I'm talking about right here, live action. The fort.

Yeah, also let's be real. That's a cartoon. I will say this if I'm defending Vann. I'm just like, nah, the real shit is seeing a real-ass wookie, not the C.G. Wookies. I'm like, look, question. Yo. What's up?

These first two episodes, what they're supposed to do in a two-episode premiere, everybody talk a little bit about this, is give you enough to make you excited, intrigued, and interested in the rest of the season. judging it by that metric characters Oshah Maysaw Yord and Dara seen them all

the little crazy guy that runs the little shop where she gets her stuff he apparently knows karate too Camere yeah all of that judging it by

that were these two episodes a success I would say yes I'm very intrigued to see where goes going forward. I mean, who's the guy holding the saber? When is, when is Soul going to get a lightsaber to his chest? He's clearly like a quagong gin type, right? Like, when is he going to,

like, be the guy who gets stabbed in the chest? I'm really excited to see all these stories unfold. So, like, the episode, first episode is that a great job of locking me into the future of the story. I agree. I'm, I'm interested. I'm very interested. I'm impressed with how new and yet seemingly in some ways traditionalists. We hadn't mentioned the score, by the way, but like, I kind of love the music in this show. It's very traditional. It's very, like, John Williams.

Have we ever mentioned the score on the Midnight Boys? The politician shit is jumping out today, bro. If you don't take your ass down there with Sean and them. Oh, man. I like the music. It is good. It set the tone. I have to be real with the audience, because I didn't actually,

like, I did not hate these episodes. Do you? I got to be real. You have to be real with the audience. Oh, my what? What a moment. Charles is going to keep around with the audience. Jesus.

Yeah, this is a big moment. He's talking about the score. This motherfucker is just like, yeah, I can't. I'm like, let's. I'm rooting for the sisters. Like, it's like, I'm like, I need the show to be good. Like, it's just like, I'm locked in. But do you have enough to believe that it will be a good show?

Yes, here's the thing. You guys know me. Like, I've come in on some, like, on some episodes to be like, this shit don't got no gas. There's no way it's going to get better. I didn't feel that way. I was just like, the first two. episodes were shaky, but it showed me enough where I'm like, I want to see if they can land

the plane. I hope they do. This is ambitious. I say it all the time. I'm like, I would rather watch somebody take a big swinging miss than do something comfortable. And I want to believe that Star Wars is a place where we can get new stories and we just don't have to keep going back to the same well. So I want this to be successful. And there was nothing. That's why I hate the review by. I was like, there was nothing in this episode where I was like, shut this. shit off. This is terrible. It was just like... I'm fucking with you.

Some of the makeup, janky, some of the wigs, janky, some of the fights, are like, eh, I don't know. But I was like, also they're building a whole new, honestly, aesthetic for Star Wars that we've never seen.

So if they whiff a little bit, I'm like, it's fine. It's part of the charm of this show. You know what? I think that what I've come to know about you is intent matters a lot with you for shows. And if someone is intent,

if their intention is just the package us, nostalgia, or to make us regurgitate things, that kind of bothers you. But if someone's trying something new, you normally give it a little bit more of a leeway. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, I don't like to pimp a butterfly as an album. I'm not playing that in my whip. But I could be like, oh, Kendra could have just dropped Good Kid Mad City, too. And everybody would have been happy. But he did the thing that most interesting artists do, which is like, oh, I'm going to do something

different and I'm going to challenge you and I'm going to try and even if I fail that's going to be more interesting than the motherfucker who's just like all right I'm giving you part two part three of the same ass shit and I think Ackolite is really really really trying hard to be like oh I got to

play with the Star Wars toys how do I do this in the most inventive way possible I'm not going to like all those decisions but there were moments in this where it's like did I like the fight scenes no but I'm just like I like the fact that they went for it. It's something that I hadn't seen before. And I'm just like, oh shit, they're trying to create a new language with this.

A lot of Jedi, not a lot of lightsaber. It seems like they're going for a different tone and feel of the show. I did like the fight scenes. I thought they were good. I like people who use their powers. But if I'm just judging it in the vacuum, I thought they were choreographed well and the fight scenes were good. Look, I watched it with Kalika. Kalika was like, huh? Okay. Okay. Okay. And I think that's how I feel after the first two episodes. I'm like, okay, all right. not, when I first saw the Mandalorian, I was like, whoa. I first saw the And I'm like, whoa, I'm not there, but I'm like, okay, let's see, let's see where we're going. But is there, is there, this is more difficult for the Acolyte because Andor's Tony Gilroy, we already liked Rogue One.

You know what I mean? Mandalorian, it has Baby Yoda and we already like the bounty hunters. We already like Boba Fett. So the buy-in is a little less with the Ackleit. We don't know any of these characters. I can argue that that works both ways. because I think that people's response to Asoka was partly because of what they expected to see from the character.

So I think that that works both ways. I agree with you, but I think having expectations that a show is going to either be a continuation of rebels or is going to immerse you back into a world that you already love, if that show falls short of doing that, and if it doesn't get there soon enough, or if you don't get the version of Asoka you think you should be getting,

or if it doesn't do what you think it should be doing in your mind, you can also be held to that standard. True. When there is no standard, that living in that amorphous realm of expectations, sometimes, sometimes can give you a little bit longer of a leash. Sometimes. Not all the time, we know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The leash is getting shorter, the more of these shows we've gotten. I will say, using Mandalorian and Andor as an example isn't fair, because I'm like, at that point, we were still like, oh shit, hey, we still want to see. Even Boba Fett. How long for Boba Fett? We're like, it's still a Bobavit show, bro. Yeah.

Oh, boy. All right, so my last question for y'all, do you think that this show will help or hurt Star Wars fatigue? Because, like, that's the unfair thing that this show has to do, really, which is just, like,

Lucasfilm kind of has to get shit on track. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, to your point, I'm like, if this shit came out even, like, two or three years ago, I think we'd be having a different conversation. And now it's like, Like, well, look, I'm going to tell you guys something.

I'm not the right person to ask. It would be good to see what the... I can't, I can't get fatigued with it. I can't. Fuck you guys. Like, I can't, I'm not going to get fatigued, okay? I would be willing to do the work to not get fatigued. I'll read more.

I'll do more. I'll watch more. I'll be, like, I'll work for it. I'm not going to get fatigued. Drop a show every day Monday through Friday. Oh my gosh. I watch that bitch. I watch it.

What the fuck else is y'all watching? Good shit. Yeah, man, what are y'all? Y'all not looking at nothing. Y'all ain't on shit. Whoa, smiling friends?

Love Island is back. Love Island is back. Love Island is bad. What I'm saying is, it's like, it's there to watch. I watch the shit. You know how much shit that I've watched, bro? This type of shit keeps me from,

there's another part of my life that I used to spend a lot of time. Christ, I don't watch that stuff in you more. Did you get fatigued? Yeah, I did. I didn't. I didn't quit. I was fired.

I never get fatigued. You never. Jesus Christ, man. You could maybe get a little sore. Oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, my God. But never fatigued, okay?

I stopped for a lady. So, so, so, so, so, but what I'm saying is the fatigue, the fatigue thing doesn't really, the, the, the, the fatigue thing doesn't really bother me. So I'm interested to see what. If you're looking for this show to cure your fatigue, I don't think that's going to be the show to do that. I think the people that are ultimately fatigued on Star Wars, there are a lot of bad faith actors that will never be tired of complaining about anything.

And I think for those people, I don't really have that much either space or patience for. But I think for the people that are actually interested in the, like me, that are interested in the things that this show can do and that Star Wars in general can do, that'll go on for almost ever. because the possibilities of Star Wars are infinite.

Yeah, I'm closer to Van, I think, in the fact that, like, they're going to... Get sore, but you never get sore, but you never kept it. Tell us more, show. In the sense that... When these shows come out, I'm always going to be excited and interested to see what they're offering. And by the end, I'll have to then have that discussion

versus, oh, man, the new Star Wars show's coming out. I'm out on it. I don't think, I think this universe is so expansive, so big. There's so many stories you can tell. Like, I'm always going to be interested to see what happens. All right, guys, two episodes of the Acolyte are in the goddamn can. That's a rap.

On Friday, the House of R is giving you a deep dive into the Acolyte episode one or two. I'm actually really super interested to see what they uncover. Yeah. Yeah. So I always am. But with these first two episodes, in terms of a deep dive, to see how much they can give you. Do you guys don't miss that one? in this particular show, I almost never do this,

but in this particular show, I think the combination plate of the instant reaction and the deep dive, I think is going to really help the listeners just because what you think about the show right after you watch it, as opposed to what Mal and Joe give you after a couple of days on some new territory,

I think that will really be beneficial to everyone. So, fucking listen to it. On Monday, Budmash is giving you their reaction to Summer Game Fest. Summer Game Fest. Ben Falkin-Lin-Linberg. Have you got to thought about what you're going to do next month

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You get the project done? Oh, you almost broke by fucking kneecaps. Ben, like Ben, Ben, Ben Lins. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. It's been Falkin'Lenberg. I need your fucking recommendation. I'll follow.

Gould. All right. Next week. Next week, the Midnight Boys will be giving you our reactions to both the acolyte and the boys. Atofer!

Our producer is Steve, the architect Alman. Jonathan Kermah Finnerus Xenaris. Finnerus. Feneres the wolf. Jesus Christ. You guys know Finnerus? Land it, man. The wolf. Okay.

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The Acolyte is here. The Midnight Boys are in another league. Because while we might get sore, our Johnsons never get to him. I bet. Are the Hutz fans? Huts got to be fans, right? Who?

The Huts? No. Wait, why would he be a fan? I don't know. Because he keeps Leia chained up. Yeah, but you're not having sex with Leia. I don't think they have, I think they're a- He tried to lick her.

Have you seen the movie? I have to you. Whoa, licking is different. Oh my God. What? Licking is different. We don't need to start like this right now. He definitely is different. He definitely a fan.

Charles. No. He took Leia and made her wear skippically. He was licking his tongue at her. He's a fan. There's a difference. So I always envision that the Huts as a species,

probably asexual. I'm not talking about what you envision. I'm talking about, I'm not, I got to put up. Oh, I'm talking about what happened in the actual movie. In front of her eyes. You see Jabba the Hutt. I never thought Jabba Hutt wanted to sleep with Leah.

I was more so like she's a princess. I need to make her look fucking crazy out here. The best way to do that. Even more freakish behavior. So explain the licking of the tongue. Because it's disgusting. Sit down. Sit down.

He's like, it's more so I thought of her as a lollipop. It's for being real. That's what? What? He likes eating stuff. What's the difference between butter and butter made from real California dairy? It's the real California farm families behind it. Real people.

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