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Yeah. This is the Nexus podcast. For All Things, Fam. We are Steve the architect almond, the builder, a ticket of things. We are, Jomi, the Explaner, dinner on. You've got questions. He's got questions. He's got answers.

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We got Corey. Music man. Music man is what I said. I'm coming back from Vegas. Alley and no nicknames in theirs. And old man, Isaiah. Where's the flask, Isaiah? Isaiah doesn't have the flask.

Boy, let me tell you something right now. If anybody from Clutch is watching this, Isaiah was going crazy on a Bronny game. It seemed like a person with a debtor. I mean, he was like, Jalen Brown, not only did Jaileney Brown have a point. He'd never been more right in his life. And frankly, he should get the medal,

the presidential medal. freedom. Yeah. John Brown did just he had about 20 points to him next to him and that two 10.

We knock. We got to talk about it. Young women. Okay. Jaylen Brown. Not even five minutes in guys. Yeah, yeah. Good for him.

He's doing well. Jalen Brown is doing well. He can't make the Olympic team though. Got he got. Yeah. All right. Fals on socials. Instit Twitter, Facebook, TikTok.

For now, save Jomi's job. Jomi, social. Dude, I mean, this is a social that we're live. We're on YouTube. People can comment, they get interact with this. It's cool as hell. All right, let's not slob on the knob on live. See, no, you can't.

I really do. We're on live. It's fine. It's fine. See, that's how I know hating is deep in your heart. I try to show love to the fans. And we live, we're out here, we have a good time. And you mad.

Wait a minute. Is anybody, are we able to keep up with what the fans are doing? Yes. Yes. Who's, who's, who's kids? Are you keeping up? I can pull it up right now. Pull it up because I want to know.

I want to know. I want to be able to say, put stuff in the chat. I've never been able to say that before. W's in the, hey, yo, W's in the chat for the midnight boys. W's in the chat for the midnight boys and see if they do it. Did they put them? Look, Joey D36 said I was corny. Look, I'm putting my job.

Wait. Oh, they put the Ws in the chat. That's the first time I ever did that. I never seen people do that. before I never see it. Okay. Okay. We're now on YouTube.

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Chuck. Yeah. What are your thoughts? Oh, no, we're not doing this. On the boys? Yeah, I got to give you just real quick, I need a pre-chuck. All right?

You know, all after this episode of the accolay, all the boys needs to do is just trip over the bar. There you go. Okay. Every Sunday Talk to Thrones will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D-Ns. I got to tell you guys something that I did. Oh, wow.

I didn't mean to do that. Here we go. So look, here's the deal. When I was in Vegas this past weekend, I have this thing. I like to listen to bedtime stories to take me to sleep now. You guys, we talked about this,

the bedtime stories. I came across this one YouTube site called VideoBooks. It has an 11 hour and 38 minute. Oh, yeah, yeah. Full history of the entire house of the Targaryens, whatever.

I was listening to it. It was fantastic. They got some stuff going on. We haven't even scratched the surface about what we could do with these blonde, psychopaths. What happened to the YouTube dude you were listening to who was

talking about the fucking Galactic Republic? He went too far. So let me say something real quick and we'll get into the show. The thing about YouTube is when you follow YouTubers, they always, you always get too into their lives in a way. Yeah.

You know? And then they start beefing with each other. Every once in a while YouTube Starbeat? Oh my God. Are you kidding me? literally every month nothing makes me feel older than finding out some YouTuber that I've never heard of did something horrible and they have a

bajillion followers. I'm like watching one of my favorite YouTube's is a YouTube called the Modern Martial Artist. The guy's really good at breaking down boxing and stuff. One day I look on his page and he's just talking shit about another YouTuber. I want to let you know that what left hook

uppercut said about me isn't true. And it's like, and so when that happens, I normally peel back for it. I want to get too into it. Sure. We'll be doing that soon enough. Spoiler warning for all Star Wars content. All Star Wars books, too. All Star Wars books, too. Oh, I got to say something real quick. People were mad at me

because I got something wrong. Okay? The great hyperspace disaster is canon. That wasn't from Legends. I apologize. I just want to say something. Y'all have to be so mean about it. You don't have to be mean.

I made a mistake. Everybody was like, Van is an idiot. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm sorry, guys. I say a lot of words, thousands of words. All right.

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Exclusions apply, visit the website for full terms and conditions. All right, to begin our reactions, we again bring you the midnight manifest to put you in the know. The only way to do that is, of course, the manifest. The only person that can do that is Chuck Wagon. Let's go.

All right. This is your Midnight Manifest, live. Acolyte, directed by Hennel, Culpepper, written by Jason, McAuliffe. What? You guys, stop. What? You guys are like Little King. You're doing it live. You're doing it live.

Usually, you guys are, like, looking at your phones. Don't stare. We can't do that. You're doing it live. I want to see if you can get through it. Stop. You're doing it live. Stop looking at it.

Okay. Anyway. Yo, after having a vision of May killing Soul, O'Sha and Camere, go to Brendok to stop her. Soul chases May on Brendok, claiming that he can finally prove to the Jedi that the burgeoned on the planet is real. Camer finds Soul and the two engage in a lightsaber fight where Soul is ultimately victorious. That's great.

Meanwhile, May, shut up. May confronts OSHA and tries to tell her the truth about what happened on Brendok when they were children. After a scuffle, May escapes and stops Soul from killing Camer. And in the process, Dan. In the process, gets Seoul to admit that he killed the sister's mother in front of OSHA. OSHA takes Sol's lightsaber, bleeds his chiber crystal, and force chokes him to death. Ocean May run away to the tree, which is revealed to be the virgins. Camer finds the sisters, and OSHA agrees to be his pupil if he lets him go,

but the assistant master has to wipe May's memories of her sisters so the Jedi cannot track them. Vernestra and a group of Jedi track Soul to the planet and find May alone with their memory wiped. And Vernestra reveals what Soul did to the Senate and Master Yoda, while Camer, OSHA, and seemingly Darth Plague is high for now. And that's been your midnight manifest. Give it up for Charles. Here you go, man. On the duress.

On the duress. He's on the money. All right, so look, this is what we're going to do real quick. Just open it up. Whoever. Whoever, just go. No, because you know what? No.

I want to paint the picture. Because we just watched this at Spotify studio. And what did I say before we leave? Just because we're live doesn't mean you, y'all should lie. I'm not. So be honest. Real quick, real quick, real quick, real quick. This is, you're cooking things a little bit.

You're cooking the books. Nobody's playing online. But what you're doing is, what you're saying now is that if there is a chance that somebody liked the episode, that they are being untruthful about it. And I don't think that that's true necessarily. All right. So, so while. I just think that at this point in American history, we need to be honest with the electorate, okay, about the issues. Right.

Yes. And that's the truth about what happened on this series. Give it to us then. Go ahead. I think the accolite in totality is everything that I love and loat about modern Star Wars. I think if we're talking about positives, there were moments in this episode where I'm like, why didn't someone sooner think about like, oh, we're going to do a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with Jedi? That's dope. That's amazing. I've been waiting my entire life to see someone bleed a Crystal in live action.

Fucking shit is dope. If that was Darth Plagos, I'm like, oh man, hell yeah, whatever. But story-wise, what was this? Soul was like a completely different character. It was just like we had started

seeing his turn maybe to the dark side or him being conflicted, but it was like I was watching a completely different character who was doing just dumb shit left and right. None of the stories seemed to congeal, even the reveal that Vernestra was Camer's master seemingly came out of nowhere.

There was just all of this. We've talked about this a bunch now. These Disney Plus shows seem like they don't really have a handle on what they're doing. And then once we get to the finale, they're just rush, rush, rush, rush, rushing. And part of me was like, why didn't we get all of this in the middle of the season? Because we got a lot of interesting things. But by the end, I feel they just like just dumped it on their laps and like, be happy. by.

Fellas? I like this episode of television. I think the stuff that it did well, it did really well, and the stuff that's been plaguing it the entire series freered its ugly head again. Yeah. Like the action, of course, was awesome. The Kimir and Sol Fight was great.

Amazing. Right. Like, that's what it means. And then all the OSHA May stuff, especially toward the end, you're kind of like, all right, guys. Like, what's happening? I'm confused.

You're confused. Right, yeah. It's just a lot of, again, a lot of cool moments that overall don't amount to anything that's worth being like, man, the entire thing was cool. I would have to agree. I would also piggyback to that and say that it's... I wish the show was more aware of the better ideas that it had

because every time I see a flicker of that, especially in this finale, I got to be like, oh my God, where was this enthusiasm? Where was this great momentum? earlier on in the season or like at least paid off in a better way because all of these things

these small things in a vacuum ideas not exactly fully executed but I enjoyed and like everything on paper could work but it didn't and ultimately I liked this finale I did quite a bit but after a season of a lot of ups and downs

it kind of just careened off and landed off ended the plane just barely to me. I had a eureka moment. Eureka. Mm-hmm. We always, we kept saying throughout the season that the show needed to do more and actually needed to do less.

Probably. You could be right. The show had, the show needed less characters. We haven't thought about Yord or the little girl with the, the dude who was, the horns. We haven't, we haven't, we haven't thought about, what was the little girl with the horns name me? Jackie.

Jackie. Jackie. We haven't thought about Jackie. They're dead. his deal one of these most standout shows one of those standout scenes in this entire

show is him fighting all those Jedi yeah yes I can make an argument you didn't need that I that's crazy so so listen to me listen to me okay so I think the real problem to me in the show is not

the ideas it's the selection of the ideas and the melding of them. It's two or three shows happening at the same time. And they didn't tell one of those stories. If they had told a story where it's May and OSHA trying to find out that they're finding out that they're actually the same person created by this incredible act of the force.

And you have masters on each side trying to pull them and use them for what you need them for. that would have been fantastic. It would have been smaller, but it would have been full of opportunities. You could make that richer. You can mind that or a bit more. But we got Yord, we got big, huge things. Like the guy, the senator that shows up here.

Why did he show up in the last episode? In the last episode of show, that backdrop of the Jedi suppressing this because they're under scrutiny, from the Senate is incredibly interesting. Yeah. Right? And so if that had come earlier,

that would have given you some more attention as to why they're moving the way that they're moving, but that time was used up with May going back, killing all the Jedi from the incident on Brindock, which at the end of the day, guys didn't mean very much in this show. Not at all. But if it was, but like, again, if you change gears,

if you switch the focus of the show over to a Jedi like soul, who's very emotional, seemingly beloved by his pupils and all those things, loses control, does a terrible thing, makes a terrible mistake, and then dedicates his whole life to trying to amend that mistake to the one person that he owes that to, or he feels that he owes that to, and having to confess that terrible thing to his student, that's a compelling show too. But again, it's getting pulled in so many directions that it's not focused enough for that.

So when I looked at it, I was like, oh, well, the things that the show does are really, they're really cool. It does cool stuff, but it didn't tell a cool story. It does cool stuff. Like, the show you're looking at it, it's almost like a Zach Snyder movie.

Like, there's cool stuff happening. Hey, I could tell you on some Zachs, that's some cool stuff. No, yeah, yeah. The Batman driving around in the Batmobile, I'll tell you what, killing 67 people, Batman in the little, The warehouse?

Oh, man, that's great. That's the house. Stop. Stop bringing up the warehouse. That was great. It was great. It's fun. It was fun.

I didn't like the Batman. I did, but that's the only y'all is just like, yo, but the warehouse scene. All right, a movie's more than one scene. I know, but if you have one scene. The warehouse scene. Can we get back to Spots? Can I say that it was dope? It was dope.

You like it. Why is it so hard? Why do you hold in the, what is it saying, Whipple Wall Street? Why do you hold it in? You hold in the positive things. Let it out. You like the warehouse scene.

You like the, Beth Lynn. Say it. Anyway. Question. You have Amanda Ler Steinberg. She's playing Ocean May. Did not work. No. And that's okay. I am so happy that they just didn't

do the Tyler Durdon thing and realize that that was one actual full person. That would have been really hard. That would have been bad. And I'm very glad that didn't happen. I was very afraid that it was. Yeah. So, look, you guys, so here's the thing. Here's the thing. In society right now, a lot of it is about picking teams.

Sure. You don't want to be on the bad team. Yes. Oh, I know where this is gone. But the performance didn't work. And if that's the performance that had to anchor the show, that's probably, it worked better towards the second half of this episode. But it wasn't, I'll say this, it wasn't on a manma. Like, what they did...

I don't think so. I said, I heard a bunch of things. She's really good, but... The story did not give her anything to do. May is, like, May is not nearly as developed as a character as OSHA actually is because May more or less feels incidental to what actually happens with her sister. Like, every single time that, like,

anything important would seem to happen, it's because of OSHA and not May. After, after the switch happens from Master Do Apprentice to when, like, she goes off to with the stranger, and, like, begins her seduction and training, like, May completely feels incidental to all of this. And only to get the confession out of soul is really all that we have.

Yeah, I don't... What was May's purpose? I mean, I know why she was there, but it only was a thin purpose to offset for what that... It's kind of like who you were talking about with the boys last episode where you need characters to do this and serve the purpose. That's what ultimately it felt like May was there for, just to have OSHA,

like, oh, I had a sister, oh, she died, oh, she's back. Like, she just was there for plot reasons. Like, what did May game from this, right? I feel like most of the characters were that. Like, Camere. Camere is the standout character. Mani was the standout performance. By the end of this episode, I'm like,

what was his deal? What was he doing? Like, he almost was, like, sideline in a lot of ways. In the finale, he definitely was. And I was just like, almost just kind of felt like he was like, no, besides like the fight and everything. just story-wise, I was like, why is he here? What is he doing?

They're revealing this connection that he has, for Nestra at the last minute. And I'm just like playing back, all right, why is he killing the Jedi? Why does he want OSHA so much? When you put the plague of shit in there, my mind starts. But to me, that's almost a more interesting show

than what we got. And that's also kind of a damning thing where I was just like, the minute you weren't focusing on Mani and everything that was going on with the Sith, I was like, who fucking cared? It's actually kind of, it's kind of nuts how the show without Mani

is like, I don't want to say like one of the worst, our worst shows you're gonna see. That's not fair. But legitimately like dull and boring and just completely forgettable. I wouldn't entirely say that. I would say that. I absolutely would.

Really? Be for real. Be so for real right now. I think at least as far as the like, the turn from Seoul near the end here was compelling to me. I found Soul to be a very interesting character that not fully exesely.

skeeted it on, like, in the best way. Yeah. But I think that the idea of somebody who is like genuinely, like, affectionate and nice and wholesome and very in touch with his emotions to the detriment of being a Jedi, that he turns into something that is actually

really, really bad. That's actually a good point. Now, hold on, now, hold on. I have to call out the elf in the room. Boy. Steve has compassion for the backstory of a cop. that scene himself

Steve is probably looking at the go-fummy I gotta got it I am not donating the soul's go-fumby the guy didn't mean it here's a thing he's $10 for so that the left can't come after the police in this country is there a Jedi thin blue line

Snagos did the nasty shit whereas like you got the white serial killer they're like he was compassionate man he loved his family and his kids he just did a wrong thing. And I was like, what do you think

the picture they put on, like, Space Twitter was? Oh, God. Is it a happy soul? Then at the same time, she did some typical dirty cop shit. Exactly.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Y'all really, that was nuts. Like, Star Wars, look, I get it. We're supposed to look at the Jedi through different lives.

Y'all understand what y'all doing. Y'all are destroying the Jedi. Y'all went from, y'all went from the Jedi being the only thing that can save the whole galaxy. So they basically the LAPD in 96.

Damn. You know what I mean? They, y'all, you've completely destroyed the Jedi. It's crazy. Which is interesting, narratively to do. I will say this about Soul, though, and I think it is interesting

how the show positions emotions and feelings, right? We're supposed to think like only dark, you know, nasty emotions can lead you to do things awry. Yeah. But Soul's trying to be helpful.

He's in his own way, trying to be nice, like, really cares about, like in his way cares about OSHA and that leads him to a path of destruction. And again, when he finally confesses to OSHA I gotta give it up to

Li Jong-Jay, he's like really acting his ass off with like trying to like stop justifying it to himself and just be real and be like yeah, I fucked up. I was watching something different. It never really got there for me. Okay. It did for me. I think that it did

for me. It never made sense. It was fine. I'll say this. Two things. Number one, back to what did you just say, Jomi, about... The emotions, like, so, you know, the dark side is always like... I'll say something about the dark side. Almost everyone that we know besides Palpatine, who was born bad, just born bad. From the jump. He was from the jump.

Palpatine felt that he had to force in him. And then he goes, oh, my God. And he just started fucking overpillar. A lot of the ways that they corrupt you is by using a very close emotional connection that you have to someone that we would say was good, right? So Skywalker didn't want his mother to die, should I say, and he didn't want his wife to die. So that, that emotion, that attachment that you feel, it's not, I wouldn't say it's good, but it's almost always human that they used to corrupt you. They take something that you want. I mean, obviously, in the case

of Palpatine, it was just like he wanted just, just object power. He just wanted to be absolute power, should I say? He wanted to have that. But, a lot of the times for people that you have to, you know, come around the bad door, it's going to be something that we would think is positive. And soul here, not just his attachment with his guilt. Yeah. This is another reason why they don't want any attachment

because attachment in it of itself leads to jealousy. It leads to guilt, like, you know, envy, at least to ambition, at least to all of these things that if channeled right can be great things, but for someone that you don't want to feel too passionate about something and give over to the dark side, it almost always corrupt. I mean, but isn't that with the senator? And I, like, this is why I feel like the senator character did not work, but it illuminated

a lot of about what the series it was trying to do is that, like, the senator even says it. Like, you guys run away from your emotions. You say that you don't either you can control them and all this stuff. And that even in itself is a fallacy. If you look at pretty much everything that's happened in Star Wars, it's because the Jedi don't really accept their emotions. It's because they try to run away from it that they end up. Give me an example of that.

So, Obi-Wan Kenobi pretty much through the entire, honestly, the entire prequels, his relationship with Anakin is so fraught because he can never really have the important conversations with him. Like he tries to, especially in those movies. But it's just like there's that jealousy, there's that not measuring up where it's just like, oh. You think Kenobi is jealous of Skywalker? No, no, no, no. I think Anakin. He's jealous of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Certainly, yeah.

And in a lot of ways. And instead of them ever having that conversation, like, Quigone could have that conversation with Anakin, but Obi-Wan was too close. They were like brothers. And I think that a lot of times that is what kind of we're litigating is if the Jedi are more honest with their emotions, does that make them a better force in the galaxy?

Quigone was ridiculously honest. He had only one, and allegiance only one thing. which was the living force, the will of the force. When the Jedi had become bureaucrats, Quigone felt the calling of the living force, telling him to do something. And he would even say that to Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan was a little bit more straight-laced. Yeah. Obi-Wan was a company man. He'd say, Obi-Wan has much to learn to the living force. However, he's got everything he needs to become a really, really important Jedi. I think he became the most important Jedi. The history of the Jedi, at least what we've seen.

I do. I think Obi-Wan Kenobi's There couldn't possibly be another podcast that references any of this. I'm just saying anyway. But what I'm saying is that whereas a lot of the Jedi are still slaves to their connections, I do think that what we always see is the moment that the Jedi stop being moved by the force and the structure of the actual organization

they start to put that, they start to put that above everything else, that's when we start to see them fail. Like, the whole thing is, to me, the whole failing of the Jedi is about them not remembering what they're doing it for. And really, when we talk about huge organizations,

that's normally what we're talking about, right? The edict of the police in society is very clear, protect and serve, enforce the Constitution, enforce people's right. but when the cops start caring, I don't want to dive too deep in it. This is we live.

We get a whole bunch of badges in the chat. When the cops start caring too much about the cops, that's actually when they start to fail. Right. When it becomes about their structures, their rules, how they look at things, what they think,

what like, that's when it stops becoming about the citizen, when it stops becoming about the law, when it stops becoming about protecting and serving, that's when you see them start to fail. And that's what you see from the job. Can I ask you this then? Does the Yoda cameo at the end work?

Because it left me with a lot of questions. I went with Jomi things. Because Jomi let out an audible groan when the Yoda thing came out. Oh, I was not happy. I was like, I looked back and you were shaking your head. I was like, come on. We were guys, we were this close to greatness.

No, I knew it was going to happen. They couldn't help themselves. They couldn't help them. They did it in. You guys' beloved and or they gave you a guest star then. No, no, the death star is different. That's a dead star makes sense. Then the Jod was a fucking show.

No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, It's the exact same thing. It's not, there was no reason. He didn't go, hey, Death Star, I need to talk to you. That's exactly what they did. No. Are y'all? It's Cassian Andor.

I'm about the fucking, quote, clueless. Are you, you bitch is blind? It's different because Cassie and Andor's whole thing is getting the plans for the Death Star. Like, we're tracking his literally. The Jedi whole thing is that there, Yoda is the Grand Master. Yeah, no, but here's why it doesn't work. It's the same thing. This is why I don't like this.

I'm not saying it, I'm not saying it works. I'm just saying they're always a member barry. They're going to do that. It's a thing. Yeah, but even story-wise. So, dude, my question is, if Yoda does know about all this shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. He's like, he's like, dude.

He's an old man, you forget, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's been through a lot of battles. He definitely got CTE. Like, it's tough. But making it makes sense to me because in the prequels, he's like, oh, my gosh, how's this all happening? I'm like, motherfucker. You had a whole Jedi. To be fair, to be fair, we don't know what he did.

told what she told him. Season two, baby. If Yoda, but here's the thing, if Yoda is who we know he is, you know what I'm saying? You're telling me he could not sense. Well, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, you guys, let's, let's, let's, we got

move Yoda's badges around. We do. We do. We do. We do. We do. We do. He is dope. Okay. He is dope. Yeah. But. You'd be forgetting sometimes? Now he'd be forgetting sometimes. Yoda had the most

powerful sith lord and he took meetings with this motherfucker that's true he reached across the aisle a couple of times there's some gaps you really did some gaps there took a lot of meetings it's kind of like when I used to be in those meetings with puff and like stop god stop stop what would you do to that he was right there

you know we're live there and I wouldn't see it what would you wait on Oh, all right. He was right there and I couldn't see it. I couldn't see it. He was right there. We're flowing.

Power to it's live. It's live. It's live. It was right there. Stop. Stop. Stop. So what I'm saying is, you know, there is something that I think we put a little bit too much on, on, on, on, on Yoda.

That's nasty coat. That's nasty coat. Okay. Well, all right, so let's just in this entire series, like, let's go over it. The Virgin's create. an entire motherfucker. So an Anakin level event. Yeah.

Right? Then you got a Sith, you got an old Padawan who washes an entire starting bench of Jedi. That was like G-League starters.

Those are Jedi Knights. Those are Jedi Knights. Come on. But if we're being clear, he was a Padawan. So when he left the order is like, you're telling me he's now powerful enough.

And like, Yoda's like, oh, man. He's been being tripped. He's gotten better. Yeah. To take, all I'm saying is if he's that powerful in the force, don't you think that, like, Yoda be like, damn, there are bad disturbances going on right now.

Okay, but to his credit, he pit bull and popatoo was dapping each other up. And he'd assess that. Yeah, yeah, but here's the thing. This is Yoda in his prime. Sure. This is Yoda at the height of his powers. But all I'm saying is all the rest of the guys didn't see it either.

No, yeah. Windu didn't see it. The crazy nigger with the long-ass head. What's his name? Oh, we did him in the... Oh my God, yeah, we picked him for a basketball team. He didn't see it.

But also, here's the thing. This is what also was bothering me about the show, about Ackolate. It was giving a mafuckus powers and taking them away. It was just like, Renetia gets on the planet. She's just like, I can see everything that's happened on Bredoc ever. I'm like, what? Same thing with Soul. Soul.

So can read people's minds when it's convenient across the entire planet. Well, are you comparing Soul? to the soul of the past because he would have developed more force powers as he became as a man. No, no, no, no. I'm more so just saying for the entire show.

Sometimes they're like, the Jedi can read minds across the planet. They can understand shit that happened in the past just by being on this planet, all this other bullshit. But then when it's like,

all right, then how is this Sith, how did no one in the entire history of all of this ever ring up Camere? Steve, answer his question. There's been very, well, I can't

because there's very inconsistent ways in which Jedi use and don't use the force to detect things. Like, there's no reason that Sol shouldn't have known who May or OSHA was. Like, he should have known the difference. But here's the thing, though. He, at the point that he couldn't tell them apart, he was disconnected from the force.

He had given over to the darkness. Look, if y'all don't want to fucking go by the force rules, it's the force rule. They make stuff up all the time. Like, right, we're getting to the nitty-grating. So soul is disconnected from the force so he can't read a motherfucker's mind but this motherfucker can be the

baddest Jedi and take out Camere? But like which one is it? So here's a deal. Passion actually helps you fight better. Mace Windu actually taps into the dark side of a look. You want to know that's true. Do you want to know the knowledge and not? That's the, yeah.

No, that's true. Mendo actually taps into the dark side a little bit when he's using his VAPAD or whatever it is. Um, like, so, so, so, but what I'm saying is, I need the chat to, uh, to fact check this. What I'm saying is that seriously, though, I do think that part of the reason why he couldn't, he, he was having trouble keeping up with who there was, is because he was a little disconnected. And he was, he was feeling a lot of feelings that were cutting him off from being able to detect things in the first.

And in that halfway episode, a lot of those red shirt Jedi's were like, I don't understand how this guy fights. Like his, his movements are too erratic. He's too emotional and all these. It's like merely because of his fighting style, like, just took them for a ride that they couldn't. Well, they had never seen that before. Yeah, they'd never seen it before. I mean, if we're going to be positive, though, lightsaber fights in this one. Fire. It was fucking fire.

11 out of 10, every set, lightsaber fight in this show is incredible. That's actually what makes me, I think, a little bit more sad and mad because I was, like, looking at the lightsaber fights, I'm like, this one was great, too. This one was insane. It's like literally one of the best lightsaber fights we've seen in Star Wars. When he does, we airbends those, like, things away, it was great. I'll tell you something.

There is, when you don't know how somebody's going to fight, it does fuck you up. Yeah. You know what I mean? When they start doing that like Capoeira, like, wobbling, I'm like, what is that? Do it again. Do it again.

Let's see. What's that Brazilian dance fighting? What was that? Capoeira. You fought somebody that broke out some capoeira on you? What the fuck are you talking about? No, but I've seen videos on the internet of people, like, getting into a fight and then like somebody just squares up like normal

and they just start doing this. And then that guy's, like, all right, I can't do this. And you felt their fear? Yes. Because I'm like, oh, if you're doing this, I don't even know what you're going to do. Where is Steve going to Rio de Janeiro? Yeah, like Steve going down to Brazil. I was doing cage fights in Rio. Yes, that was my, that was my name.

This is Brazil. It's in Brazil. No, we had to do it in Baton Rouge. He was biracial. Why does that have to do anything? Why is you start with that? Because we didn't, we didn't expect it from him. Okay.

And he will fight. And when he would fight, he, man, I hope he's still living. Because niggas get killed. Somebody probably. People die every day. I remember one time, like, he would do like this. That's his stance? That's what he would do.

He would shake his shit. And we, we, I remember, he would literally, he'd do his shit and he would shake his fists around. That's a dance Kodak Black did now. We were out to Barclay plays. We were in Barclay plays in Bat Rouge. And I'm like, God damn, this nigga is about to get his ass kick. And he starts whooping the hell out of this nigga. With the stance like this.

Yeah, because he didn't know really what to do. You're trying to get in there. And it was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Rhythm punch. He was just getting off. He spread like he's throwing dice. You didn't know what to do. You didn't know what to do.

You guys, what's going on? And what I mean what's going? That's a good question. When I say what's going on, I mean, so Ocean May is the same person. There's a versions on the planet. Yes. For a lot of the stuff that I've read

and been keeping up with is somehow this story with Ocean May is going to lend itself to how Anakin Skywalker was born because if Darth Plagas is in fact the creature in the cave which what the fuck why we don't know but if dark Plagas

is in fact the creature in the cave right then his ability to you guys I'm not saying it was Darth Blagas I'm not saying that at all what I'm saying is the ability to create life in the force Skywalker the creation of Anakin Skywalker could actually be the force responding

to the creation of OSHA and then. It's the balance. Yeah. So, I mean, all of this stuff is just because I watch too much Star Wars YouTube. Oh, yeah. But what I'm saying is,

what is the show trying to say with the fact that they're the same person? Now they are disconnected. May doesn't remember OSHA. They've switched places. I think they thought that by the time they got, got to this point that all of these revelations and things would be revelatory.

But they're kind of just confusing. I mean, even, yeah. No, it is. Because, no, you're right. You're right. The worst that this finale, the worst things that this finale did are member berries and feeding us into a season two that may or may not happen. But like, if you have nosferatu in a cave that anybody doesn't know, that could be

anything. We don't know what that is. Darf Jar Jar, sure. Oh, man, I wish. That'd be cool. But if we don't know that, or if that's not like lent to anything, and it's just in minute 10 of your finale and never addressed ever again, I'm really bewildered as to what your goals are for, like, wrapping the story.

They obviously think there's going to be a season two because they set it up for it. I mean, they got to make it now. Which kind of infuriates me because if you say you can't do that. You can't, like, tease, like, a... They have to make the season. They have to make the season. Which to me is the biggest annoyance that shows like this do, where I'm like, can you just tell an A to B story from one season and like,

sure, you can tease something, but like have an actual like resolution. I don't feel like this is resolved, really. Well, no, they left you on a cliffhanger. Yeah. I mean. A cliffhanger I don't give a fuck about. Okay. That's fair.

That's fair. See, that's the thing. I mean, they weren't necessarily trying to resolve the season. they were trying to like pull new threads for you, the question is, do you care? That's the thing. Because I think this was the moment

where I was like, oh, they thought we were really going to care by this point when OSHA takes Seoul's lightsaber, which is like metaphorically works because it's her old master's lightsaber. She never got to be a Jedi. She bleeds the crystal. I think they thought emotionally

we would have been so invested in OSHA's journey at this point that we're like, no, not OSHA. And I'm like, wait, but you didn't. when she forced showed him, that was fucking amazing. Okay, that was pretty crazy. The way they do it too, because you don't know who's doing it at first.

I want to hear, somebody else. And then you see, it's her. So you cut me off with my point last episode now this? Had to go. What were you doing? Where'd you have to go? Had to go do another podcast. But we're here now.

I mean, they got on your ass. They did. They got on your ass about the robe. I apologize. Oh, what you mean? What I mean with the rope? Wait, I saw somebody on Twitter getting at you, like, it's so, it's so disrespectful. when you're showing up in a robe to your...

Oh, my God. I'm gonna put my dick out next time. I'm serious, man. I'm not... I'm serious. I'm sick of this shit. Like, I'm telling you, I'm sick of this shit. And you put your meat?

No, I'm sick of everybody. I'm sick of this shit. Jomi, I apologize. I'm sorry about that. Let Jomey finish his point. But, hey, man, I wear a robe on the pocket. Rachel is wearing a robe on the podcast several times. And nobody has six to show.

I'm serious. I just feel like I'm a punching bag. And for no reason. Like, Alleyer, you remember when Rachel wore a podcast on higher learning? A podcast? A robe on higher learning. She wore, nobody said nothing. You know what they said?

Oh, my God. The robe looks so good on her. Yes, queen. And like, and for me, it's like, why don't you take your shit more seriously? Motherfucker, be a man. This is literally the Lizzo and Rick Rossby. Flirting versus harassment? What were you saying, Jum?

The way they do it in the episode is really cool because you don't know who's first choked her at first. And so, Camere, you pass him, and he's like, oh, no, I don't know. And you think maybe it's Vanessa or something, like the evil guy? And you see it, and it's O'Sha. And she's got the finger.

She's doing the first stroke. I thought the way they did in the episode was pretty cool. I don't know if that moment messed something to me emotionally, but watching it, that was like, that's pretty cool, yeah. Yeah, no, I really felt it because it was at a point where he was genuinely regret he seemed genuinely regretful about what he did and was like he said last thing he says is it's okay

like he understands Steve you got a come on I made a joke about the cop shit but now it's kidding I'm not I don't I'm not saying it's getting it's getting it's getting a little crazy now he killed my mama man I understand no no no I'm not saying it's fine

I'm not saying it's fine. I don't give a black woman. I don't get a mother murders. I don't want them to know that. Oh, no, soul. And that soul turned to me. He's like, when you started to fire out. When she was choking him out, I was like, yeah, it's time for you to go.

Yeah. You didn't like, like, give me the lefty. Give me the lefty out of the pool. It's not for you to go. But you didn't think the, um, the force choke moment. That moment didn't. She forced choked them. She turned sense.

She bled the Kaiba right in front of us. You didn't do anything for you. That was great. Because it's a thing, like I said, there's so much that this show gets right. That it's like the Kaibra crystal, the bleeding the Kaibah crystal should be the moment where just for that character for OSHA, I am heartbroken. Oh, she's on the dark side. She wanted nothing more to be a Jedi. And at the moment, she has to kill her own master, a father figure, all this.

I'm like, I should, that should be an emotional gut. See what she's talking about. Yeah. And it was just kind of like, it was one of those. Something that happened. Yeah, and it was like, it was cool. Like, I can't lie. I'm a Star Wars fan.

So when the Blade started turning red, I'm just like, there's that part of your brain. Like, damn. But it didn't give, all right, perfect example, it didn't give me the feeling of like Anakin and Obi-Won on Mustafa where it's like the fight is cool. No, it's just, there's just so much history there. It's like three movies. No, no, but here's the thing. Really six.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like so much history here. But how many episodes. did we get 10 of this? Yeah. At the end of the eighth episode, I should, I'm not saying I need to feel like Musafar is to your point.

But I should feel a little bit like, a little bit when Quigon is killed by Dark Hall. Okay, okay. I was like, even as a good example. Because that's actually a great example. Because even though that movie wasn't, wasn't great, wasn't great, when Quigon got killed and Obi-Wan

had to watch him drop right there, you felt it. And when McGregor, he's like, he's charging and he's mad. Even as a kid, I was like, oh, he lost his mask. Oh, he's so mad. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. He loved this.

And I didn't get that kind of emotional thing because I even should have felt for soul, even though, like, I'm glad he got God. I should have been like, damn, he went out like this, getting fork chokes, choked by his, his paduan. I just didn't feel that. I felt it a little bit, but yeah. I mean, you know what else I did? Not on did I not feel this.

Can y'all explain this to me? What the fuck? was the shit when Mays like to Oshah, OSHA, what do you want? And then Camer's... It just doesn't. It didn't work. When Camer's like, I can wipe her, I was like, oh, what? I'm never, I'm never, I'm never on the side of just new shit in the last scene.

I could wipe her mind and she won't remember nothing. I'm like, I don't know, nigga. You may as well. Honestly, I don't want to live like that. This theory's been around, though. They mentioned it in one of the episode. It's about like, wiping memories and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is not a new side of a new thing. To, for May to agree essentially to get all of her memories wiped for her life except when she was eight and then for OSHA to be like, yeah, I agree, that's exactly what we should do. That's nuts. That's like, I'm like, why didn't OSHA

just run away with men? Or, like, if they're really that evil, they'd have just killed her. Who would have just killed her? I think wiping her memory is way better than killing her. To not remember anything in your life? I mean, you were eight years old. Who would have killed her, though?

The Jedi? No, not the Jedi. Stranger and Oshah. And O'Sha would have killed her. I don't know that by the time we get to the end of the show, the stranger's motivations are completely unclear. Yeah.

I'll just be. A little bit. He was hot and he fought good with Sabres. But, I mean, we know that he wanted. and acolyte he wanted somebody to train. We don't quite know why. We would have thought that that senator who was basically giving an entire manifesto for the Sith

in a senator's suit would have had something to do with it, but no. So we don't really know. I don't think that, I mean, at the end of the reason why she hasn't kill her sister is because she loves her sister. Yeah. She doesn't kill her sister because she loves her. She doesn't want to kill her.

Wipe her memory and effectively, like, LeBottomize her till eight years old? so that she can't lead. She may allows OSHA to make her decision. To your point, Charles, this is supposed to hit harder because she didn't let her do it when they were on Brenda. Right. The first time they were on Brenda, they were on Brenda.

They were on BrentDow. This time too. May allows OSHA to make her decision. OSHA decides she wants to go. This is going to be some force-shocking going on between her and... All right. It's also nasty business. I bet they do it. When she held, when she held a stranger's hand,

I'm like, he just force-swiped you. No, no. It's no. Because that's the, it's going to be some force choking later on that night. Do you think Plagueis is that night? I don't know about that. That's a bad day. He's like, he's like, force choke me. They're going to be doing force choke, James.

Plagas is going to be on the other side. What are y'all doing? He's forced choking. He loved black women. He's like Robert De Niro of a galaxy far far away. Plague's? Not Plagis. No, my is a stranger.

The stranger. Robert De Niro never saw a black one man. He didn't want to fuck. I'm familiar with him. He tried to get two of them. He literally wins. from sister. He liked future. That's, all right.

That's a wild cop, but no. Bro, he got two sisters, bro. Honestly, he was looking like Jalen Brown. Like, he got to add. Jalen Brown at the game. Soul is Brody James. I don't think May's a pro.

I don't think Mays are pro. I don't think Mays are pro. Jalen Brown, bro. Man, stand on that shit, bro. I said what I said. Stand on that shit. I was talking to my girl, ain't nobody asked you at a camera up in my face.

I just watched a dude go 0 for nine. What I'm supposed to say? What I'm supposed to say, what if it would have, this is my thing about the Jalen Brown thing. What if he would have said, because it could have been, what if he looked at her and said,

yo, Bronny really putting the league on notice? That would have been even crazy. That would have led to him. That would have led sports center. Yeah. But to be fair, do you think he like,

he did it? Because also he's next to two baddies. And he's like, He's like, damn, this nigga ain't shit. You know, that's what shit you... This is my thing when people say that about the two baddies thing. And I'm going to speak for myself. This is the thing.

So they are two baddies, right? But I just want you all to know that everyone that's talking about how Jalen Brown acts around two baddies, I want people to know you are not Jalen Brown. The way you might act around a batty is totally different than somebody who has $300 million and is the finals MVP, he probably is a little bit less affected, a little bit less affected around the baddies than you might be. Y'all might, I'm just, I'm just saying it's a little way.

This is fair. I think it's the same thing. Then why do you apologize? He apologized because he got that clutch push. They made the call? Yeah. So it made the call. What did he make the call?

Was it Rich Paul? It was definitely, it was probably Adel herself. Because if Rich Paul really wanted to press you, he'd have Adele make the call. Wow. You get a call from a singing white woman. You don't know what. Is this Adele?

Do you think you could be nicer to the young man, Bronny James? It's an immaculate Adele impression. That's a great Adele impression. That's exactly how you sound. My name's Adele. That's the way she signed to me. Hey, man, shout out to Adele, man.

Adele, she got away from that. Adele came straight home, man. Get, Star Wars is really good today. Shout out to Adele. Adele, one of us, man. What? Man, so I thought the episode did a really,

interesting thing where, because it did in last week's episode, and it did in this week's episode. When the revolution comes, we're going to have Adele like skin and rats. Wow, we're not your. We're going to have Adele making venison jerky. You know what I mean? Adele's going to be out there. With the bad two knots?

Yeah. Like, after we go out hunting, after all of the information grids are gone, we're going to come back hunt and we're going to hear a voice singing. Oh, that's Adele. We know they'll go north. He's the siren. Yeah. She's leading the underground railroad. Like, what?

Jesus Christ. No, but seriously, the episode, I mean, and again, the episode, their mother set the same thing last week, and the senator said it again this week, basically the same thing, which is like, what the Jedi are doing is going to lead to her downfall. They are, like, it's not as bad as the boys with their, like, whole thing, but it's very heavy-handed in the way the show's, like, the way you guys are acting now is why you guys, fall. We can draw a straight line from disbehavior now to

episode three. Yeah. And again, I mean, I think we talked about a little bit, but like this is we've never, like, the show was supposed to be like, oh man, the Jedi and their heyday, they're doing great things. The Jedi, I think, are always fallible.

Like, that's the thing we're learning. Like, at no point. Yeah, it's been fallible forever. No, no. That's what I'm saying, though. There is no, man, Jedi was out there. It was killing it, bro. Like, every time we see them, it's like, oh, you're going, you're going worse and worse down until we hit Revenge of the Sith. Yeah.

That's what it is, ultimately. Do you guys need to show betrayed itself a little bit by framing itself as a murder mystery and not quite living up to the billing of that expectation? Definitely. 1,000%. Talk about it, Steve. Because it got me thinking I'm like, it's all structure. I think my biggest problem with the entire show is,

structure. The way that episodes are ordered, the way information is delved out to the audience that we are meant to understand in certain ways only to be obfuscated or changed at the like 10 yard line

when we're supposed to be finished, like worried about how other things are supposed to be resolved. It gets very frustrating because a lot of the things that get this, that are doing well in the show constantly undercut it. And again, like you said, before. It's trying to do too many things because when we

had a murder mystery that was kind of compelling, it then immediately hit the brakes for a Jedi massacre that was like one of the craziest things we've ever seen. And our main villain is now giving us an entire indictment of the Jedi from a philosophical standpoint. Like, all right, great. Now we're off to the races. Stop, we're going to give you another flashback about what actually happened on Brendok and Soul's going to not figure out who May is.

Well, fuck. Okay, what are we going to do for the next episode? Well, we're probably going to do skirt around the same thing again but make sure that the Jedi that are now on their tail figure out the same information that you found out last episode. Okay, well, what about the finale? The finale is going to fix half of that and then tease something

for a season two we don't know is going to be coming. It's all structure. If we had known certain things in better order and maybe we cut out half of this story and actually cook for the things that it was getting right, we'd have had one of the better shows in Star Wars history.

One of the funny, it's not really funny, but it's kind of funny, is when he's about to tell them that they're not actually twins, that they're just like one person's point in half. Yeah. And she socks them, and I'm like, that's, that we're doing it all season. I'm like, yes. And the episode begins with a conversation that if, if that conversation was just like 10 minutes longer,

that could have replaced an entire episode prior. 10 minutes longer. Yeah. If the flashback episode of Brendok, that was the episode prior, it ended up being like a 10 minute conversation of them just arguing back, and forth about who saw like what happened when, that would have been a more compelling,

B saved us an entire episode to watch. Chuck, what you got before I start? I mean, I would say this. I think the, because you kind of brought this up, I think the bones of this series are actually fascinating to me. The fact that you have two Jedi masters at this point, Sol and Vernestra,

both coming to terms with the fact that like, oh, my student is the Sith. or has turned bad, is compelling to me in a vacuum, you know, because it's just like, oh, this is actually, that's the emotional thing. Like, thinking about if you're the Jedi master that raised up a Padawan, that is threatening thousands upon thousands of years of this religion. And I'm just like, similarly to the murder mystery, it's interesting to me being like, what happens when a Jedi master realizes that another force cult,

created an entire person with something that you're like an entire being with something that is the foundation of your religion. You know what I'm saying? That would be like that would be the equivalent of like you have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. And then one of them does something that is so miraculous. You're like, you start doubting everything you've been taught.

I'm like, all of these are really, really interesting pockets. But you said it already. Those are all individual shows. when you try to sandwich all of that in it, I'm like, it's not really a murder mystery. It's not really a procedural. It's really not about, like, government politics and corruption. It's just kind of about nothing.

Also, another thing that you just mentioned, I think it's interesting to tack on a little bit is, I think it's interesting that the authority of the Jedi are challenged, right? The Jedi are making the rules about what's acceptable. Like, okay, you can't make force life. Can't do that. The witches aren't allowed. to do that. They aren't allowed to use the

versions on the planet, which I don't think was explained well enough. They're not allowed to use the versions on the planet to create that life, right? But the Jedi can come take your kids whenever they want. Yeah. Right? So you, the Jedi are where we're supposed to be asking ourselves

in addition to everything else, it's like whose rules matter. Yeah. Because they're saying, hey, you can't do this. It threatens this. However, there are a lot of other things that we see them do, right, that we're wondering, well, I mean, just for us, like, you mean you mean, tell me I'm in the house one day and my one-year-old starts moving blocks around? I'm happy for him. I'm like, oh, good for you.

He's moving the blocks. Look at this little nigger go. He's moving the blocks around and with his mind and everything like that. Hey, man, we need your son. Fuck all that. I don't like, no. Like, you can't have them. Now, I got to, like, I'm a got to go get the table.

I got a bam, bam, bam, bam, bomb. I got to hit you with that bitch. So we're seeing them come to terms with the fact that these witches who, the witches themselves. Nonsense. Well, this is what I'll say. The witches themselves, they represent, I guess, defiance of what the Jedi defined as the natural order. They represent a different way. I'm not so sure

if we learned enough about them to understand why all of this was such a big deal. True. Because you're not supposed to do it, but the Jedi do so many things that they're not supposed to do in response to something that the witches aren't supposed to do, that it kind of leaves you like,

did they make a big deal out of nothing? I mean, even historically, the Jedi made a bunch of life. Maybe it wasn't the Force. but they made a bunch of fucking clones. So at a certain point, I'm just kind of like... Well, all our hands are dirty here.

Yeah, I'm like, they're just like, hey, not only did you make a being with the force, this person is actually one person, but they're two people. I'm like, you guys are explaining twins. Like, you are explaining twins and clones. Like, what is... I don't understand why it was such a big deal,

to be honest, because also what I was confused about is I'm like, OSHA and May aren't that power. in the forest, we're told they are, but they don't do anything the entire series. They're pretty powerful. I don't know. They were fucking up in the time here. They're pretty powerful. I mean, she... But what did they

do in this series to show me? Well, she bled that Khyber. She bled the Khyber and she showed them and she showed them like at the end, she intuitively taps into the dark side. She was already a Padawan. No, but remember, she hadn't used the power in a minute. Yeah. Yeah. He's like,

I think it was episode six. Like, hey, you've been out of practice, all that, which and motherfucker. Luke was 15, 16. Yeah, but she had been through the motion. She had formally trained as a Jedi. And, like, didn't pass. Luke is pretty strong. No, but that's what I'm saying.

We got to see Luke do strong shit. I didn't get to see OSHA do any. You're like, she bled a Kaibokrysal. I'm like, to be a Sith, all these motherfuckers. No, no, no, no. After some time, you know what I mean? Like, after some time you bleed the chrysal. You don't do it on the first day.

After some time. So we're saying that the only, the only, way I'm supposed to intuit that she's strong with the force besides characters telling me is that she was strong they could deal with it I'm sick of shit I mean they also also with that episode helmet that she just did to chimera was like pretty nuts she's pure force I don't yeah I don't know she didn't do no pure force shit what you did the witch thing to chimier in this episode I'm asking Charles like what you feel like I should have seen like I get it I can tell that Anakin is a being of the force

because Lilk, he's flipping over shit. He's entire... So you wanted her to be like a Damian Oman kid? Yeah, like, I want it because he's like, because here's a thing, Camere is like, May don't got it. Oshah, you got it. And I'm like, wait, Oshah, show me that you have it. Played a music. Played a music. It's interesting.

And Anakin and Luke do it. It's cool, wow. But when women do it... When women do it, it's... Yeah, that's not with women. Black women. Wow. All right, when you guys are done, And I, no, no, no, no, no. No, when you guys are done,

we're not, we're not going to, the question is, we're not going to be done. We're not going to be done to you've changed. So, so what I think is interesting. No, what you're doing is you're overpowering us now. No, but what I think is, no. What did I say? Honesty to the electorate right now. You're overpowering us.

We're trying to come to you and tell you that what you just did was talked about how the white man shows his power. So you're telling me, you're telling me that we can have white men throughout the history of Star Wars doing dope-ass shit, flipping over people, fucking cutting down all armies. And I'm like, damn, it would be nice for Amanda La to get to do some of that. A sister bleas of copper crystals is not enough for you. I would like to see her do some dope shit?

She choked somebody not enough for you. What you want to start to start torting? Would I like her to be as much of a superhero as the other people? Is she, what you wanted to do? Get it sex me? She can't, she can't fight Camere? Why would she do that? They're on the same team.

They're the same squad. Camere is literally like, if you don't come with me, I'm going to kill your sister. He should be like, bitch. By the way, I'll tell you, Camere is a very good fuck boy, man. Who's that on your phone? Oh, it's just Camere. Literally, come here. Literally, think about his name.

It's literally commere. It's Camere. Like, that's the type of shit you tell a girl. Hey, what's your name? Come here. What's your name? Come here. Now, it's my name for real, girl.

You know, my daddy, my daddy knew that's why I was going to tell me. Alia is laughing because if Bajicinto did that, it'd be working, it would work. Daddy knew that I was going to tell you. Honestly, if we're being real. I'm Camere, girl, come here. Camere. Man, you was on your Camere shit with the bathroom. If he's from L.A.

This is how he was staying. This is not from niggas from L.A. Niggas from L.A. Oh, right. You know, they're saying like this. Hey, girl, come here. Come here. All of that.

And they throw it up. Anyway. So, no, I get what you're saying. You want you. Because. This is a show that displays a lot of force powers. I do think at the end, what we were supposed to see, if it didn't work, it didn't work.

I'm serious. What we were supposed to see was that she learns, she intuitively displays a force skill, a dark side skill, but a force skill, that she hadn't been taught. Like, she intuitively does it. She intuitively breeds the, bleeds the crystal. It's similar, I'm not saying the same thing

because this character is definitely a character that they went out of their way to demonstrate her power. It's similar in a little bit to Ray. Everything that Ray did in Force Awakens was intuitive. Yeah. It was reflexive. She didn't even know what she was doing. Like she naturally resists Kylo Ren, right?

She naturally does this. She doesn't even know what she was doing. The force, she was so, her strength was so raw that it's like, oh, my God. Now, they did do a better job to your point of letting us see that. I think they were trying to do that. at the end with May, with OSHA, should I say? And maybe they just, to be honest with you, didn't do a good enough job of selling it.

Maybe they didn't. All right, guys, let me ask you this. Last talking point before we get out of here. By the way, pew-poo's in the chat. Poo-poo's in the chat. You can't let him have this kind of power in the guys. We really can. We want to see him, guys.

Poo-Pews. If Ben can make people do things, he'll make them. I'll be watching some of that. I'm not going to lie. I don't do a lot of social shit. I would like to do that, like Miles Morrill. when he starts like yelling at people. Oh, I thought you met the apology video.

It was like, listen, I made a mistake. The TikTok stuff where you're just like being an MPC? Oh my God, dude. That's a bad crash out. That was really bad. You got a lot of money. I watch, I show speed that dude crash.

He'd be crashing. He'd be funny. He crash out all the time. That's his whole thing. They make him like loving more. He just yells at people. He'd be like just going around. I might start doing that type of shit.

Please don't put it on. No. I got it. I want to do that IRL shit. I don't, but here's the thing I don't like, because he'd be going to, like, another country and just start doing backflips. I'm like, just don't start doing backflips for everybody.

Like, just, go. Some of the other countries woke that motherfucker up. He was trying to buy that car from that guy. That guy was like, did you see that? Yeah, I saw that. He was trying to buy that car from that guy. That guy don't know how much money, A Show Speed he got.

He was looking at A Show Speed, like he was Osho Blackie. Like, he didn't know how much money he had. never seen it before. I show Nigelik. Can we get to the midnight meter please? Before we get to the midnight minute, before. Obviously, they want to do another season of Acolyte. The story

it ends with our story ends with, we see Master Yoda. We see a new connection made between a master and apprentice. We see a lot of threads that are untied.

We're going to to do the midnight meter in a different way. Okay. Let's do midnight meter rating of how much you want season two of the accolite. No. Oh, boy.

Because that's going to be more. Yeah, that's going to see. We're going to do it both ways? Yeah, we do it both ways. Okay. We'll do it both ways. Okay. Scale from one to 12.

No, scale one to ten, just one to ten. One to ten for our one. How much, how interested are you in another season of the acolyte? Here's the thing. If they can fix Masaria in season two of Game of House of the Dragon, I feel like they could probably take notes about what we liked

about the Ackleite. I really do like, I think it just justified its existence. I really think so. That show's got great ideas, and I really like to see them, like, come to fruition. But a showing like this, like me wanting a second season,

Like, it's 50-50. Like, I would give it a five. Okay. Like, I could take it or leave it. Jummy? Really. They, if, to Steve's point, if they, you know, look at the feedback, you know, they go to their, they go to their year-end review and they like, Charles is exhausted, guys.

And they look at all the cool stuff like, all right, hey, this was cool, this was cool, and this is whack. Don't bring this back. You know what I'm saying? They do all the cool stuff. Tell a story in order, maybe. Yeah, they do a thing to the cool stuff. So motherfuckers can see right now.

I like some of the stuff they did. Yeah. If they just continue to do that stuff, yeah, it's probably like a six. Like, I'll be there. Chuck, you know. Oh, they're lucky I don't give it as you're like a two. Let's two. Here's the thing.

I don't know. If this costs like what $2.50, you know, to make problems. You know, look it up. How much do you cost? To make this whole show? I just. Yeah, to make the show. Oh, boy.

Let's just donate it. And here's the thing. I will say, like, donated it. You know? Like, now we're just getting this. All right. What? This guy is something else, man.

No, we get to. Donate it to who? Huh? Who? It would be funny. It would be funny because there was a boys home somewhere, and Disney came around, and Disney was like, look,

we was going to make a second season of an acolyte. We're not going to make it. It cost $180 million. He was $180 million. That's projected. Projected. That's not fully reported. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I just respect to everybody who made this. There were a lot of great highs, but it's a too. Okay. I'm going six as well. And now we go out to the midnight meter. Oh, yeah.

Daddy. So the midnight meter is a scale from 1 to 12. 1 to 10 is the meter. 11 and 12 being reserved. Up a game changes. Pivotal essential. Pivotal essential stuff. I'll start.

Okay. Six. Six on the meter. six in anticipation. Six. Could have been, the finale was a good finale. That was the decisive episode.

The finale was a good finale. Yes. It was so close to being a seven. It was really close to being a seven. But I in good conscience cannot give it anything more than a six. It's very close to being a seven, I'd say that.

Six point nine. I would really have to give it a six because, again, like some of the greatest like lightsaber battles I've ever seen and as far as ideas are concerned they're there when the show hits it really fucking hits and I just I really it makes me so sad

because if this really like capitalized on its potential this could have been one of the greats and unfortunately it's a six for me yeah I really want to give a seven because again the stuff that worked like the lightsaber fights like the choreography is just fantastic it's just some of the stuff like I'm gonna like

in a couple weeks I'm going on YouTube and watch them. I'm not going back to let's follow that. But at the end of the day, the stuff that didn't work, like really, really didn't work.

Yeah. And so in good, yeah, like, I just can't, I can't give it anything more than a six. Charles,

it's your turn, buddy. All right. So, change, talk the world. There's a little something that I learned

in my childhood in my household about integrity. Okay. Holmes men can't be bought. We stand for what's right. Right. Leslie headling

and girls. standing for. Did a wonderful job. This is the punditry. This is the pageantry. You know, like you guys have all said, some of the most amazing fights we've seen, great actors,

Mani Hicento is a star, deserves more roles. There was a lot of beautiful things about this season. But like I said, Coke Baby can't be bought. And with that, there's a four out of 12 guys.

Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Four out of ten. And you guys should be disgusted. We should be disgusted. We should be discussed. The guys are lying alive.

Wow. Why can't we, can't we have our opinion? Why should we be ashamed of what we said? We're in the pocket of Michael Mouse. Yeah. Frice to love. Kathleen Kennedy, cut the check, apparently. For the acolyte, be for real.

Guys, it's over. The accolite is over. Woo! Everybody. Everybody on live it. Thank you so much for tuning in. Yo, the summer of content, man. We're one show down.

Yeah, we're one show down. first show out of here is acolyte. The boys finale is hates his job. Boys' job. Boys finale is on Thursday. We will be back with the finale of the boys on Thursday.

You guys telling you, it's going down. Tomorrow at the L.R.A. Theatre. Dine. Like a dime. Tomorrow at the L.R.R. Are you wearing a Beyonce t-shirt? Yes. A little bit of a recourse tour.

That's Will's activist stuff. What are you talking about? Hey, tell us about your... No, no, no, hold on, hold on. Wait, how did you just notice that? I've walked in front of you for like half the day. Time out, time out, Steve.

Steve, please, Steve, Patrick Allman. Tell us about your time at the Beyonce concert. It was the second greatest concert I've been to. So, like, where'd you go? Like, who'd you go with? It was in Levi Stadium, Bay Area. Okay.

Great friend Valentina. Oh, shout out. Okay, cool. What was your favorite Beyonce song to play that night? It was actually a medley of, The older songs that she played? Okay. No, no.

What is this? A fucking pop quiz that you need that I qualified this? I'm just interested in your Beyonce takes. I didn't know that you were, you know, like, like, Sasha Pierce? Great, great artists. You were part of the Beehive? No, not really. I just, I went to a Beyonce concert and had a great time.

I mean, you bought a shirt. So obviously, you can have a fan, though. Yeah. You know, you don't just buy merch random people. You know what's the point you're going to make? Are you doing the activist shit? It just, you know, I'm just, I just wanted to, you know, Get it from the man himself.

Right. Crazy. Where's your Taylor Swift shirt at? Wow. I know you got. I know you got some. What was the other? What I was saying was that there's going to be a live show tomorrow?

We're looking for, if you look for the L-Rate theater. Okay. These guys come out to the L-Rate Theater. What is it? Ringer. Ringer.com slash events. For more info, come out there. We'll hang out.

Jomi's giving out hugs tomorrow. Come. Give it out hugs. To who? It's the hashtag today. Hashtag. Like, you wait for it. Oh, okay.

Jomi giving out hugs. Jome me giving out hugs. You should that. I just want to be very clear. He's hugging everybody. I mean, maybe, but probably not. Maybe. Maybe.

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