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Episode Date: April 21, 2025

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It was very funny. Funny. Kalika, who doesn't watch the show. Oh. Was just walking by. because she was upset that I was watching it. Without her? The NBA was on.

So we had to watch it all day. So she was kind of upset. She was watching on her phone and protest. And she goes by and she goes, wait, is that? Is that somebody dreaming? And I'm like, no. And she goes to sit down.

I'm like, no, don't sit down. You don't get this now. No, no, no, no. Keep up with Shingun. and what he's the guy going on. That think of Shangoon got shaky laugh. Shangoon was good. The rest of them were not.

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Three episodes, what are we betting the House of R pod will be in terms of it? I have packed a sleeping bag and a tent in the studio for when they go that long. You're pitching a tent in the studio? Oh, God! You threw the lob, man. I really did. I really did. Like a fastball right down the middle.

You're pitching a tent in the studio. I'm playing. I'm playing T-ball over here. I'll say, I will say this. We should probably change the name of the Mint Boys to the Brick Boys. Yeah, Brick Boys. Brick Boys. You guys get bricked up a lot.

You did that. I did that. You did that. Hey, cross out mint boys. It's brick boys. It's brick boys now. But we can't give you too much wasted energy in this intro. I know you guys love a couple of tangents, but we got to get to it because what

happened last night was too important. Today, we are talking about the second episode in the second season of the run of the last of us. And boy, was it a doozy. We're getting, Steve, Steve's been champion at the bit all morning.

Champing. Champing, absolutely champing. Whenever you hear that, Steve, a little breathing when you know he's about to cut somebody. Look, we're going to spoil this. See, put this in the document. Right. We're spoiling only things up to the game at this point.

So we're going to spoil last of us stuff. But we're not going to spoil anything moving forward. We're going to spoil everything up to the game in the show of this point, Steve, on the warning. We're getting ready to talk about the last of us. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. I've never been more into one.

This is going to be a masterpiece. Chuck Wagon, Midnight Manifax. It's not going to be a masterpiece. Why not? All right. This Midnight Manifest is for Through the Valley, directed by Mark Malad,

written by Craig Mazin. It's happening. It's a bummer town right now. They just killed my nigga Joel. Damn. Yeah, well, yeah. They killed my nigga Joel. That's it.

That's all man. That's it. That's all, like, like, just like, bring a man. You got to bring him. They killed my nigga, Joe, bro. Yeah. That's the whole manifest. He had to die.

He died. Oh, no. This is so ridiculous. All right, Steve. Steve. Steve. The life were too bright today? Steve, this is how exciting life too bright?

We were going too early. I can't. Steve didn't have the athleticism to pull out of the back. What it is? There's a fucking, Steve fucking leave it, bro. Yeah. This is Steve, Steve. Fix the set.

Fix the set. Steve going out like Joe. Yeah. Oh, man. It's good. That's not bad. Way to go. So we're sorry, Leia.

Sorry about that. That stays in, by the way. All that does. All that does. Okay. Sorry, I was trying to think of how to write. I was so. bad last night. It was a great episode of TV, but I was like, all right. Fuck this old shit.

So this episode felt it, to me, this was like one of those classic Thrones episodes. Yeah. Where you have an A plot that ends in something incredibly devastating happening and a B plot just full of carnage and edge of your seat intensity. So I'm watching this, I hadn't really watched an episode of TV like this from HBO in a while. Here's the thing, not only did it restore the feeling, but it gave me that Thrones feeling of,

did they go too far? Here's the thing. Spoiler alert, we knew Joel was dying, or at least I knew Joel was dying. This has been one of the worst kept secrets in gaming, storytelling, ever. And the whole time I was like, they're not going to do with this episode.

Like Steve's like, they're going to do it early in the season. I'm like, they can't. Pedro Pascal means too much of the show. I was just like, they don't have the balls to just like rip off that band-aid and go for it. And once it starts unfolding, I was like, it can't get worse. It can't get worse. By the time she drives the broken golf club into his neck, I was like, all right, y'all. I was just like, all right.

So looking back on it, they actually. bench Joel in the first episode. Yeah. And it, if you know that it's coming, it was easy to see. But I kind of didn't pick up on it as much as maybe I should. That's right. In the first episode, that's what I was like talking about where I'm like, oh, they are kind of like hinting at this.

Like when his little nephew is like doing the little gun things. Yeah. And he's like, uh, and they had like a few throwaway jokes where I'm just like, oh, y'all are getting too cute. And I thought there was at least going to be two or three more episodes for us to be like, all right, we get to say by to Pedro, we get to say bye to Joel, and to their credit. Like,

here's the thing. If I sound very somber, it is because the job did what, like, the TV show did the job it was supposed to do. It was a great hour of television. But I had that feeling of I'm like, I wasn't ready to say goodbye. That's the point. I'm with you. I thought

at earliest, they would do it like half way through the season, right? Like, we would get the first four episodes, and then they would kill Joel, and then the back nine of the season would be Ellie and, you know, doing her thing. But, I mean, for this episode specifically, I only got two words. Absolute cinema. I mean, it was incredible. Like, you know, you know, when we hear Mike Malage director the episode, you know,

he directed a whole bunch of Thrones episodes, a lot of the battle ones, I think Hard Home and the attack on what's called black whatever and then he did the episode succession Connor's wedding Connor's wedding

yeah right so when you see Mark Milan on there Mark Malone on there you know bad things coming Ah it's been a This is a movie

This was a It looked like I was like Oh shit I had my phone like on you know away from me

I was like locked in then I just had to be like I had to get a tweet I was like yeah like halfway through I'm like I might be watching some of the best

television we've ever seen And again, that's only 30 minutes, and he still had another 30 to go. And by the time the critics are rolling and Ashley Johnson is singing, I'm like, I'm devastated to you, just like you, bro.

I'm like, nah, man. I'm still going to get it back in blood, bro. The episode's a hole in one, man. It's perfect. It was great. That's two golf puns that you had in there. There will be more.

There will be more. Great. No, I really did enjoy this episode. And it's actually really, really affirming to hear that, You guys who haven't exactly played the games are not necessarily as familiar with the story. Like, you still enjoyed it,

and it was, like, as heavy hitting as everything needed to be. It was, for me, kind of difficult because it was hard for me to judge what this episode was rather than what it wasn't. And there were pretty big departures from the game and story that I knew that were, like, impactful. And it still managed to be pretty, like,

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No, no, I'm serious. Like, Steve, tell us what the differences were between this portion of the game stylistically and just narratively, plot-wise. Like, what happens differently in the game as far as how they adapted in the show? Well, the biggest change probably is the fact that there is no assault on Jackson

by the horde of Cortisab zombies. Okay. Tommy is with Joel at the moment of his death. Okay. Instead of Dina. And it's a rather like,

if this were an episode of the show as like dedicated towards the game, this would have been like an entire episode dedicated to basically the beating and murder of Joel. It's a lot more like that scene is a lot more elongated and this was rather short. Granted,

did a lot in that scene, and they had a lot of, like, incredible, incredibly directed action and things that were happening in Jackson for Tommy's character back home to not only make it entertaining, but meaningful.

And the biggest kind of, like, departure for me was that we now know who Abby is and why she's doing what she is doing to Joel. That was not explained to us in the game at that point. Okay. So let's stay there for, second. If I'm listening to Steve, he's saying

that Joel didn't get quite the send-off in the show that he did in the game. It was rather unceremonious. This was a truncated send-off for Joe. He pops up sort of fortuitously for Abby. And then

there's no moment of trumpets for him. Why do we feel like that was? Well, I think that that is, A, that's just something that I can just tell, like, in porting over or adapting a game versus TV. The reason why I love the choice of kind of it happening so suddenly and truncated is that, A, I feel like it mirrors how Abby must have felt where one day this man and this girl

who are supposed to save the world show up with the fireflies and she turns her head and now everybody's dead. Her whole life is upended. So we get that. We get to see Ellie have that feeling of, I thought this man was going to be around forever. and now everything that we built is gone and this man is gone. But I also think from a storytelling perspective, what it helps them do is I might be so wrong. But I think they probably felt very, very bold in killing Joel off in this way because this isn't going to be the last time we're going to see Pedro this season.

I'm like, I'm expecting flashbacks. We still keep weirdly hearing about this Eugene character a lot. I'm like, Eugene, Eugene, Eugene. So it's like, I'm like, oh, I feel like the TV show has another Joel Ellie scene or something else to maybe bookend all of these feelings. Because I was just like, to your point, it's very truncated. I'm like, I think that's on purpose though, right? So for him to get got and then we're just kind of like, that's it, it's over. He's gone.

That's it. You have to like sit there and be like, wait, wait, wait. There's no cavalry coming. It's kind of like the Baylor, right? with Sean Bean in Game of Thrones episode 9, where he's supposed to, they're like, all right, you're going to cut his head off. Like, somebody's going to come save Sean Bean.

Yeah. He's the main character. You can't kill Sean Bean. Then he cut his head off. You're kind of like, oh, dang. Like, if you're not familiar with Game of Thrones, this is kind of that moment for you. For sure.

We're like, Joel's the main character. They're not going to kill Joel. That's crazy. His last words can't be, what did he say, get it the fuck over with or something like that? I was just like, he's going to have a little bit better. No. I mean, that's what is in the game,

he was talking to the audience. Right. When he was saying, when he was saying get it the fuck over, over with, he wasn't just talking to her. He was like, let's move on to the next part of the show. Like, this is going to happen. The people, it's been rumored about enough from people who haven't watched the game.

The people that have played the game, should I say, know that it's coming. So let's just do this. Yeah. Let's just do this and move on. for me, not dragging it out it's probably done for two reasons.

Number one, it's not the last time we will see Joe, but he is a force ghost now. So he is a zombie forest ghost. He is a force ghost. So it's not the last time we've seen him, but he is a force ghost.

There are different considerations between the game and the movie. The game has this character that you've emotionally invested into and it's a gut punch when that character dies. The move, excuse me, the show has to litigate something else, which is Pedro Pascal himself,

which is that everybody knows what a big deal of Pedro Pascal is. Like when Kalika walked into the room, she didn't say Joel died. She said, is that Pascal? Internet Daddy died. You know what I mean? So the best way to do that and be able to move on with your narrative is not to get hung up in the Pedro Pascal, of it and giving him this big,

oh, I said, of it all, yeah, this big, huge grandiose pushing his eyes. The best way to do it is just to do it so that we can put Pedro to the side as a living, breathing character in the show and just move on to the other people. And that's a big, that's more or less the point that the game was illustrating,

the fact that Ellie and Joel's relationship, while fractured, Ellie affirms that in this episode where she's like, yeah, it's icy right now, but we'll probably work through it. Like it's Joel. He's Joel, I'm me, we're going to be fine. Like he says that.

And all of that being cut short in an instant and now having to reckon with everything that that relationship is crystallized in that moment, preserve forever. No make good, no hug after. It's just done. Can I? I was wondering when I was like driving here. why does Joel's death, even though it is so fast and happens so quick, like why does it hit so hard in a way where it's like, we just finished Daredevil Born again.

And when Foggy dies, I was just like, that was also a quick death, but it didn't hit me the same way. And I'm just like, it's too, like, they're both engines are trying to do the same thing, which is what you said is like, hey, let's get it over with. This is a new show. Like, we need the audience to jump in. And with the Joel death, I got this feeling of, almost I was scared for the show.

I'm just like, oh, can they do this? Like, this is a bowl show. Does it have the juice without him? Does it have the juice? At least with Daredeo, I'm like, Derdwell's still in the show. I mean, one reason is that Joel was the main character. Yeah, exactly. That's the easy answer.

The easy answer is that Joel was the main character of the show, that there's been less time between the last time you've seen Joel and the last time that we saw Foggy. If Foggy would have died in Daredevil season three, the last episode or something like that, probably would have been different. But this is just such, this is more akin to the Star Killing in Game of Thrones because it sets your show on a whole new path. Like, I hadn't read any of the books.

So when they killed Ned, I wondered if they had a lead. I literally had the thought. I was like, who is, who can carry this shot? Like, I was looking around. I'm like, this B team can't care. And then you watch the second. And you're like, oh. And even there was a moment that Ellie, she's looking at Joel Dye and you're like,

it was such a good performance. And there's something that like breaks in the character. And that was the first moment where I'm like, oh, I think they know what they have. Was she being annoying in the first episode on purpose? Was this the last little kiddiness of her where we're supposed to see her as this brat so that something happens to her? Even when they are dragging Joel's body. and her and Tommy and Dina are walking back.

They're dragging Joe's body and she is riding on the horse and she looks back at the body and the look is like, is this fucking really happening? Yeah. It's like it feels so real that you're just like, she can't look. Like everybody else is on the horse and they've got to go back to the town

and they're thinking about what they're going to tell people and Tommy isn't with them. It's Jesse. It's Jesse. Yeah. So she's going, yo, is this fucking real? she looks back as like is this actually and the look that she gives

that was the most heartbreaking part of the episode for me and the fact that like Dina like she was knocked out Ellie's the only one that saw that happen and she was forced to see it and like everybody's everybody's performance in this is actually absolutely incredible Caitlin Dever delivering that monologue is actually like very inspired

and great I know that it's going to find a way now like no she deserves that no no no no so So to your point of why does this death hit different than Foggies? I think it's because, like, I mean, we like Bullseye. We kind of get Bullseye. But Bullseye kills Fogg and he's just kind of like, all right, cool. He shot him.

Abby looks dull in the eyes and it's like, yo, you kill 18 people. One of my father was one of them. They say didn't even look him in the eyes when you did it. The nurses said you just bam, left off. Guess what? you don't desert. And it's different from the game because in the game, Abby's Bollick, right?

She's big, she's tough. You can understand there's a sense of size with her. So, like, oh, yeah, of course she's going to mess over Joel. She's big as hell. She's not like this in the show. And it's yet more medicine. Yeah. Because when it comes to somebody like that small,

you're not unassuming, you're not afraid of her on site. But then she comes in, she's a little, I'm cold. Then, like, turns it on. She's like, oh, I got. this dude, it's over. And it just turns on a dime, terrifying. Kaelin Deaver was great. I cannot wait for her path forever.

It's, I'm sorry, girl. Get your Emmy, get your Emmy. Fuck, Abby. Fuck Caitlin Deaver because she was having too much fun. She was a little too good at the job. I was in my seat. I was just like, hey, yo. But Joe, she was right.

Joe killed her dad and it was wrong. Fuck your daddy. Fuck that doctor. I don't get a fuck about your family. I don't give a fuck about your kin. But I'm sorry. I'm so sorry fuck Abby

I get like that's how you create a villain though but that's how you create a villain though because now now she's just now she's just big albatross on the whole season on the entire show y'all don't understand

Ellie like I'm like yo Ellie if I'm going back to Jackson Hole my light skin nephew hey you want to see the white devil it's Abby here's a here's a drop Catherine O'Hara get off the fucking sticky

all right get active here's some grenades fuck Abby I'm sorry She was probably happy. She didn't, she wasn't fucking. That was a tough client. She'll be like, oh, oh, Joel. Oh, fuck.

Like that drag me when, when KD got hurt. Oh, no. Oh, no. She's showing up there on the funeral just to make sure that Nick's just to. Just came to his funeral, make sure he was. You're like, all right. Well, just a piece of joy. Seriously.

Dever was so good. Like, I was like, so good. So, Dever was great. Because even I love this in any show, any TV show, I always love. when the leader goes a little too far and everybody, like all her homes behind her, I'm like, come on, man. We gotta talk about that.

They're like, yeah, yo. So, they want to shoot Dina up with whatever that anesthetic paralytic is, is gonna knock her out for, like, whatever. And they go, they're hesitating. And Abby goes, hey, do you want me to bash her fucking face? Right. Like, hit her with the fucking sauce before I go there and knock her the fuck out myself. Wait, she was like, what a girl was like,

We said we watch her. Hey, shut the fuck up. We don't get her. We talk about anybody else. If you don't go over there and hit her with the shit, I'll punch the shit out of her. Abby was kicked. Yeah. Also, I hate this too.

There always has to be the one annoying motherfucking the crew. And Joe's already dead and when he had to do the last. Get Pendejo. I was like. Danny Ramirez. It wasn't even that, bro. Fuck Danny Ramirez, too. Again, I know what's going on a little bit.

So I don't want to say too much. but I was so confused. What does Abby do for those four people that makes them like, yeah, we're going to kill a man for you. So because I'm looking around and I'm like, all right, I get why Abby needs to be here. Right. That's her up.

Before you, because to what the dude was like, the beginning episode, he's like, I'm going to convince we shouldn't do it. Joe comes back, right? He's ready. Oh, I'm ready to go. The other girl, not the ball one, but the other one, but the other one, she don't want to be there at all.

Oh, no, the black girl, she's like... The moment was too big for her. Again, Abby had to get with the... Abby was at to... This is what happened. Abby had to threaten her. She was... When it was happening, she was...

Like, well... So, he was the plan was... In the apocalypse, I'm the black person who's hanging out with the crazy white folks and I just got to act like I'm with all the shit. What are you going to say? No, and that's... It's an interesting change from everything that we would think

that, like, they're just running around for five years, and then once they see... Once they see Jackson, they're like, oh, well, fuck this. They got a fortress. We're not doing any of this now. And the fact that Abby's, like, leadership is questioned at this point. After five years? Like, y'all have been running for, like, give it a week.

Like, plan something out. Plan what out? I hate to say this, guys. This is a little saji. Give us a saji count. Saji? Saji. Saji.

What's saji about it? What? Because, you know, this is, this happens all the time. like we see people we see guys in these same situations that are leading troops and the troops are following these guys and they're doing the whole thing

and the one guy has a blood and they follow them and we don't really ask like that much like why they're following them the only reason why we're actually asking this question is because Abby is like a diminutive woman. If Abby was like a great big

dude we wouldn't ask why her troops who they're in a military structure are essentially listening to orders. Like she outranks them. For some reason, she's earned their trust and loyalty so she's following them.

Jomey, I got to be honest with you. I never thought it would be you. I was hating last, but I was hating last week. I never thought it would be you. Look at Chuck. I saw some things this weekend from Jomey that all right. I'm starting to rethink.

First of all, I'm trying to rethink, you know. Yeah. I mean, I had the questions last week about like why she. would be mad after five years, but I guess killing somebody's pops makes sense. While she would be mad after five years, they killed her dad. That's what I'm saying.

See, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's two. That's two. So women, they just go get over to kill them. Now you're making it. If Steve wants to build the wall and Joe me over here thinking women can't leave. Joel wanted the wall. It's not the point.

It's the point. It's the, like, again. It's the point. Women can't lead in the apocalypse? In my head, I was thinking about those last night. In the apocalypse, there's a lot. There's like zombies. the scene where she's

they talk, they mentioned like they use the zombies they like lay them under the snow they come out under they talk about it, they use them for warmth talk about it, I'm like that sounds terrifying then you see it, they're like that first of all incredible scene, that was great

scary as scary as hell though, right? I'm like, there are bigger things to worry about than your dad getting popped. I'm sorry. After five years with all the stuff going on with the zombies it's almost like revenge is probably bad. Also, Joe, but for her? Joel saved you.

She's like, I'm like, you couldn't even say thank you. It's deep. But to your point, she killed her dad. But you got to get that back. For the four of them, like, you, okay, not just the dad, but extinguished their entire organization. Yeah, and probably somebody important to everybody in that group. Hey, but this war, you know, the fireflies weren't necessarily ends.

Which probably makes sense why they're all there. But I'm still like, again, get there and then I'm really on board with it. I was just kind of like, again, if it was me personally, after like a couple, couple months, yeah. All that walking? Y'all got it, bro.

You know, I hope your parents ain't listening to this episode. Somebody kills my daddy. I'm not a real. Again, no, no, no, no, no, no, not somebody kills your daddy. What if, God forbid, somebody hurt my parents and then y'all was like, hey, bro, we're going to go across the world.

That was their people. Again, it's cold. It was, brother, it's 40, it's three degrees outside. My black ass ain't hold up in that fucking mansion with y'all. You know what I'm saying? With some fire, bro. I would never.

Is there some reason for you game experts? Is there some reason why they're in Wyoming? Because, like, couldn't they have it in Phoenix? Well, they come upon Tommy in the first game in a settlement in Jackson. I know, but I'm talking about the settlement itself. Is the cold? Does it protect them from the, I mean, utility-wise, not really.

It's not cold in Wyoming the entire year, but it gets so cold that I would think if you were going to start, like, a settlement, you could go anywhere. Start that bitch in Baton Rouge or something where you don't have to deal with it. Well, I'm saying, the inclement weather, the weather is going to get,

the winters are going to be so harsh there. Sure. The winners are going to be so harsh there that it seems like that's a very tough. Well, if it's not conducive to the zombies, then they'll probably find ways to survive, a lot. That's what I'm saying.

Also, I need to know. Does the cold make it harder for the zombies to, like, Scott, you know, get together? My nitpick, my knitter moment of this, of this episode, there are two. My first one is, like, I feel like I can tell this is a game because the zombies are too brolic in this. It's like, the bloater? The bloater was nuts.

It's just like, I'm like, all right. He was scary. The zombies can run through fire. Bullets barely stop these motherfuckers. I mean, like, they can run in the cold. I'm like, how are they running in the cold, bro? Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're not.

They're not alive. They don't feel. They're rotting. Okay, but that's zombies one-on-one. They're not supposed to be able to move. I don't know. These are the fucking most powerful zombies I've ever seen. I don't know.

They're not World War Z zombies. The World War Z zombies and then the World War Z zombies were pretty intense as well. But the World War Z zombies, that was like fucking. It was OD. There's a flowing water. Everything. They just fucking going crazy. And then they learn how to, like, an ant pile.

Okay. Let's talk about the Horde. First of all, when I think of the name the Horde, you know what I think of? What you think of? I already know. I think of He-Man, Shira. Yeah, yeah.

And the Horde. That's what I think of. The Horde, man. Skeletor was a member of the Horde. Then he left the Horde, whatever. What did you think about the Horde attack on Jackson home? Terrifying. I think it was also funny that it was like

Abby just go home because when she falls down and I see like the dead fucking ball I'm like all right this Oh wait you mean the thing on the fence? No because like wasn't Abby like before the whole Like they're talking about like there's something out there And she sees and I'm like Abby just go home

You don't need to be like looking at the horses It's fine you'll find Joe later And when she falls in the can and then like sees all the dead bodies I'm like they did There's no way. There was no way. But also, my nipings was like, hey, yo, you say, Bolt over here. She was like Captain American headkings.

She running, but they was walking her down. They were coming up on. My thing is, when you are a zombie, do you maintain the speed and athleticism that you had from when you were a human? Do you get more? Because I would think she had such a head start on them. Yeah. But I would think that she would be happy. They were walking.

Walking her down. That was eventually going to make, but maybe she's getting tired and they are. For sure. And it's different rules for different properties. Obviously the World War Z rules where they're just like this amorphous blob that can go 70 miles an hour.

Were they running this fast in season one? I think so. I don't know how much we saw them run. They maintained like a human pace. It was a lot of tight spaces. Yeah. There wasn't a ton of open. Because I was just,

I was surprised. I was like, God damn. They spray. Does it? Does the town of Jackson have enough countermeasures for the zombie? I think they did pretty well all things consider it. I mean, I don't think they expected freaking, you know,

the entire zombie, you know, world to come at once. That was kind of nuts. I think ultimately, like, they did as best as they could, considering everything. Yeah. But it's a little tough because you do want to do better. They did really kind of think of everything they

possibly could. They got citizens underground and bolted down into shelters. Yeah. They got people on the rooftops in the town. They got like a, like, Lord of the Rings fortification system on that wall. It was pretty good for what they were dealing with. The flamethrower dudes didn't.

They didn't have a hard for it. They didn't have a hard for it. And not those guys. No, why? Now, don't you have to put those guys in prison? You do. If they're not dead already, they need to be in the brig. I'll find them all.

I'm just like, really? Really? Really? Guys? Imagine, imagine your Tommy, man. You survive, bro. You can barely stand, dog. Your wife, she's holding you, man.

You just in your feelings. Your brother come back dead. And now you guys. got to deal with these two gibronies who ran at the first side of danger. Once again, dog, that motherfucker was fighting the bloter all by himself. I'm like, none of y'all, all the motherfuckers want to help him. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. Hey, I'm going to let y'all live.

You can't live here, though. You got to go. Yeah, you got to go. You got to go. Sorry. How do you fight the big ones, the bloaters in the game? What do you have to do? You either unload a bunch of bullets into them or you use a flamethrower, but like,

somebody's on New Game Plus. You don't get a flamethrower until later in the game. So how do you kill them? A lot, just a lot of bullets. It takes a long, long time. And you got to, like, especially if you're on ammo, you got to, like, start ducking behind walls and ducking the undercover. Canonically, who are the bloaters in the game?

Are these, like, NFL running backs? It's like old. No, there's just like a old-infected. Basically, like, depending on how old the infection would last, like, that person's probably been infected for, like, 20-plus years. Right. And they just get stronger. and strong.

Like, 20 plus years. It's only like 30 years. No, it's 2003. Or it started in 2001, 2003, right? Yeah. And so I guess it's been like 20 years. Yeah. So whoever's been affected for a long time.

So it actually makes you to one bloater in season one. So after a while, you just, it continues to mutate, mutate, mutate, mutate, you become the bloater. So something else. Questions that I had. The cortiseps that were. inside of the pipe. Right. What were they doing? That was more or less like a beacon

system to tell the other cordisept zombies where they were. Because remember, as soon as he crack it open and it starts sensing the rest of the zombies, they turn from chasing Abby and Joiling Dina and go right to Jackson. So my

question is, is the cordyceps virus basically evolving? So it's like one zombie hive mind? Because even like There was the zombies running after Abby. They get the little call. They're like, oh, ooh, ooh. And they start running another way.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, are they all basically controlled by like, pretty much, yeah. All right, nah, fuck this. It's like the hive, bro. It's like the, you know. Like the sinners. Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert, sinners. Yeah. Go see it. It's like the flood, man, from Halo, bro, you know. There you go. You see like once they've, they've got a foothold. It's over, man. They can sense everybody's connected.

Was it a little too convenient that Abby immediately, like, runs into Joel? I was just like, this is a lot of things happening now. I mean, like, it is. It's a, you know, it's a television show. It's a video game. You know, these things happen. I think the thing, again, and you brought it up earlier, he did kind of save your life. Not kind of did.

You know what I mean? No, he did. The fact that you turn on a dime like that, again, that speaks to the genius of it. That's why I'm going to hate Abby forever. Because it would be one thing if, like, he happened upon him. It was like, oh, yeah, yeah, for show, come in, we're going to help you. Ah, just kidding. You was going to die.

It would have been over for you if he had to come out there and save Joe life. You can't even throw him a little, like a little pity. But you know what? That's plot armor for Joel. They want you to feel that way. Yeah. When Joel is down there about to be killed, there is a way of looking at that scene is him getting what he deserved. Despite the fact that we were with Joel the entire first season,

despite the fact that we know him, right? There's a way to read that, look, he killed her dad, and he killed up her entire people. We understand that there were all different types of extenuating circumstances that existed along with that. But the fact that Joel saves her, and I'm assuming that doesn't happen in the game. No, he does.

He saves her in the game. He saves her with Tommy, yeah. Right. So, like, that to me is them writing that, going, this is still a good guy that she has to kill. And it's such an interesting narrative thing that the second game does because in that sequence where you are, where Joel is saving Abby, you play as Abby. There are like several things that lead up to Joel's death that make you play as Abby

along with kind of empathizing with what her crew is doing without really knowing who she is or what she's doing. And then when that scene comes, you still really don't know why. And I loved what the show did when Abby's telling him what he did to her. There is genuine remorse on his face when he's like hearing everything that she's telling at him. And that's not shown in the game at all. And it's really painful to see, like Joel actually feel bad about what she's telling him. Let me ask you a question.

This is not to spoil anything, but it could be kind of a spoiler. after Joel's death, how much do you play as Abby after that? I can't really say because that would be a spoiler about things to come. No, do you play as Abby? Do you? Yes. Okay. So that's interesting. Yes.

Because then what the show is going to try to do is have you play as Abby after that. Well, I can't imagine there's a world where we don't see Abby again. No, no, we'll definitely see Abby again. But now that things have been ratcheted up to the degree that they have, The question is, how do you continue to evolve her character in a way that makes this, this, this part makes sense? No, no, no, no, no. This, this budding confrontation with Ellie more than just a bloodfewed revenge match. How do you raise the stakes for it?

And that'll have to come with deepening her character. Well, I also think what was, what's interesting now that. that I know that like the zombie attack on Jackson Hole wasn't in the game. The feeling that I had was I was like, damn, this community can't even really grieve Joel or anybody. Because I'm just like civilization, like as they know it, has been ripped down again.

So it's this weird thing we were like, you know, Tommy's going to be upset. Ellie's going to be upset. Everybody else is kind of like, we lost everybody in our life too. No, but I was wondering, I mean, Tommy's going to be upset. And Ellie's going to be upset, but I'm assuming that there's going to be somebody in the next couple episodes of this show that tells Ellie that her responsibility is actually not to avenge Joel's death. That her responsibility is to the people of Jackson, to help rebuild, to help get things back on track.

And she's going to have to step up as a leader, especially with there being less people there that are capable now. and not be so obsessed with getting revenge for what happened to Joel. And I think that that's going to be attention in the show that maybe didn't exist in the game if there was no hoard attack on Jackson. But remember, I think the beginning episode, they kind of slip it in where Jesse comes to wake her up. And she's like, oh, you're going to be the next leader of Jackson one day, whatever. And so, like, blah, blah.

he needs to step up too. He'd been doing his thing, but he might need to, you know, step up a couple ranks. Jesse cool. I love Jesse. Jesse. Jesse just trying to do his job in the apocalypse. And Dean and Ellie are kind of like,

ooh-o-o-o-o-uh. And he took Ellie stealing his girl pretty well. I don't know. That's a little sagi. There was no stealing. You know what I'm saying? That's fair. There's no-proper.

There was no property. I'll tell you what. Knowing that the brick boys are the ones that are coming with the sages. It is crazy. This is why y'all, this is. We always trying to be sex positive. We always trying to, like, educate the people. This is why y'all always, like, getting real weird over there.

Fucking red pill boys over here. All right. The red brick boys. That's enough. Red brick boys. That's enough. The red brick boys. What color are bricks, really?

So, look, I saw it on the old Twitter sphere. Right. A lot of people were lauding the show and the decision to kill Joel in the same way that he is killed in the video. Right. Yeah. Let me imagine this. If they wouldn't have killed Joel, if the decision would have been to not do that part of it.

Like at all? At all. Ever? Ever. Oh, boy. If they had made the decision to not kill Joel and not kill Joel for a while, how would the show have gone on and still had Pedro Pascal? I don't know how you do that.

Again, I said, so this is the beginning. I think it would have been part for the course for them to do it, like, halfway through or something like that, right? But to not do it at all just changes the fundamental, like, DNA of the show going forward. Do you think if the show was made, like, let's say they make The Last of Us game and we get this show, like, soon after? Do you think they still make Game 2 being like, all right, we're getting French? Well, okay. Probably. Frankly, I don't know if they make Game 2.

I mean, I don't know if they made Game 2 if they knew what was going to happen in 2002 or 2002. 20. I don't know if you guys were there for that. But it was nasty. And I'm sure like Neil Druckman and everybody who made a naughty dog stands by the decision, like, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a video game, who cares? But in that moment, everybody hit the crib. All we had to do was be mad online. And people were upset. If you were not in those confos, it was war. So it was not well received the decision to kill Joel. I remember, as someone didn't play the game, I remember the vitriol and just the back to kill Joel

and to do it that early in the game it's like it's like hour or two or three in a 30 hour game it's right the beginning of the game people freaked out people freaked out lost their minds but it's like critically and to the majority of the people that played it like they received it well as a good game it was a like very well received critically and for the majority of its fans but the narrative

discourse around it especially during like the height of COVID and everybody yelling online. People were like, you did this. And that was at our wokenest. What? So it was like a last Jedi moment where it was just like critically acclaimed. Yeah, pretty much. A lot of people love it.

But then he's just like, I'll go. Think the last Jedi backlash. Yeah. Not Ler Skywalker. But hashtag not my Joel. Not Lou Skywalker. Yeah, you're Joel's dead on the ground. But what I think is like brilliant about the decision and the choice is that why I think what

makes a good zombie show. and what makes a good show in general, is that when people make decisions, they're going to have consequences, and they feel real. And, you know, the genius of the game, because I did play the first game, is just like, oh, you're killing zombies.

But, like, how many shooters are you just, like, killing regular people and you never think about it? And the one moment Joel unloads and kills an innocent, this is going to reverberate, whether it's a year later, five years later, and obviously Joel has carried this with him. So I think it is kind of a genius.

thing of being like, hey, like this is a great tragedy. This was always where they were going to go. And with Ellie, she's kind of going down the same path of like, is really anything going to be better if you mow down Abby? Probably not. Joel's still gone. Your fucking home is fucking burned down. Dina's traumatized out of Vermont.

Poor fucking Dina. Like I also think that's a great choice in the game to have, instead of it being Tommy, what you have is Joel having, the surrogate daughter that actually is nice to him and looks like to him and likes him being the one there who can't do anything. And then the daughter that he's out on the out with being the only one who's awake and seeing the brutality of it. I was just like, oh, that's a smart choice. Like this is a smart, smart choice. How do we feel about Ellie's attempt to save Joel and how feeble she was when she came in?

Saji. How's that sage? How's that sage? She was in Sagi. She fucking swipes them, motherfuck. She got a knife jab in. She had one gun on her at five motherfuckers in there. Let me tell you why I think what you did was Sajie.

You called her feeble. The misogyny magistrate over here. Let me tell you why I think what you did was Sajie. She wasn't Sajie because she was a woman. She was Sajie. No, she wasn't Sajie because she was woman. She wasn't feeble because she was a woman. She was feeble because she did not scout the situation.

All right. She did not. She could hear them and she tried to bust in there and she got fucked over. Well, okay. And to be honest with me. And she was, there was five people. Yo, she had a gun and she could have got the drop. No.

No, she had a gun. And the first thing she sees is Joel bloody on the ground. She's not going to be checking corners. She did get a shot off, but homie was right there. Yeah. I'm telling you, there's a way. Okay. Okay.

I'm going to say, is she supposed to be Johnwick? Yeah, shut the door. Seal, Seal, Seal, see. You're down. You're down. stairs, you throw a bottle. Somebody's like, what's that? What's that?

They walk it. So you said she went on there, teed off on him. By the way, by the way, if she starts a shootout, Joel survives. No. No. No. No, you see someone on the ground. Who's the knitter now?

She starts to shoot out. She was going in there and I was like, okay, what's going to happen? Is somebody going to come up behind her? No. Which is exactly what happened. No. No, that's not what happened, Steve. Brother man.

Brother man. Hold on, wait, wait, that's not what happened. What happened is she burst into the room. Okay. With almost no plan and they fucked over her. Yeah, because all she heard was some fake streaming. I agree, man. She could put up a little bit more of a fight, bro.

Maybe, but if you see your man's bloodied on the floor, it's not going to take that your way. Also, she got fucking Jesse who was close, so I'm just like, buy some fucking time. Jesse was not that close. Can you ask you question? Like, and this is not, once again. asking a man a saver that's saji oh well asking

for back up for a second hold on for a second hold up for a second you guys are a little little touched by the saji you know it's unfounded

the brick boys are getting sassy little sassy over in the show for four years the reality is this the reality is is other people that would have been able to get into that room

and clear that room like men that's crazy man oh wait so so we're not supposed to Wait, how about this? How about this? Wow, that's crazy.

Wow. The ballerina would have been able to fucking kill her. All right. It's all the ballerina in that bitch, nigga. Anna Diarmus. How do you say her day? Hermes? Hermes.

Armis. Armis. Armas. Anna A. Anna A. All right. Come on. Put.

She would have been in that bitch rolling over, cracking people's shit. Black Widow. But here's the thing. Hold on. I'm going to give you a list of women right now. Don't do it. That would have cleared that room. Both black widows?

Both black widows, they all did. Okay. Sure. Honestly, you know, dared up a born again. Karen, she knows how to use the blizzard. Karen would have known as I do the blitz of shape. I'm not.

I'm saying. Karen, don't know how to protect herself? Karen would have been in. Literally, like, literally, like, they're open and just started blasting. The ballerina? The ballerina would have been able to clear that room? We're going further.

Who from D.C. could have clicked, not Wonder Woman because she got powers. Like, I don't know, D.C. Black Canary? Black Canary? Black Canary? Black Canary? Black Canary could have? Bat girl clearing that room?

Yep. Done. Like, I'm telling you. Harley Quinn? Bro, Harley Quinn would have done it with a fucking smile and a bat, bro. I'm telling you. Ellie, what really on her shit? Of course not.

You know who's rough on it is? This Tommy and the motherfucker was being her up in the first episode. You know, they was pulling their punches. And she walked in that room like, I got this, I got this. It all comes back to the fact that men failed her. Yep. That's... I mean, that's true.

I hate that this is a win for you. You know what I'm saying? They failed her. I mean, part of the thing is Joel sold her. She walked to that bitch, see, she walked in that bitch feeble. I know strong comic book women, all right? Misty Knight. This wasn't that bitch.

This wasn't that, Lord Croft. Wouldn't that, oh, my God. Lord Crawf! Let me let this go down. Would have been shimmying on the wall outside. Coming in with a wall. Christ. Who are Croft would have been shimmying on the wall outside,

kicked the window in, jumped in that bitch. Sammis, B'amus. Ellie, Mary Jane from Spider-Man 2 with the Blinky. Spider-Gwyn, although she got powers. Right. She, did, Ellie, went out feeble.

I'm just saying. We don't got to say people. Why can't we say feeble? She's not feeble. She went out feeble. She saw her man. On the ground, I understand. I don't condone the behavior, but I get it.

It's an emotional gun parts. We also aren't talking about the brutality of the death because Abby wants to had a higher ground and being like, I was in a military unit. I was taught not to shoot motherfuckers who are unarmed. And I'm like, all right, well, can you not waterboard Joe, please? Can you just kill the man? Can you get it over with? Why the fuck are you?

Like, she blows his kneecap off. And then she's like, I'm a beat you with this golf. She's also, like, tourniquet it, like, she didn't want to bleed out before she made her point. Like, which, you know, I understand. This is how I know the rest of them are just, they're like, happens out of her mind. She's like, get the tourniquet.

That one's like, I really feel bad for the black woman. Because, like, once again, we talked about it before. When you've been on a one nigger night like that where you're the only black person and these white people start going crazy. And in high school there was these white boys that my boy Ryan used to hang out. with and they would do this shit, right? And it would be just like, it would be odd, right?

Because it would be like, I think we talked about it before. Let's go to the car dealership and then take fireworks. And you know the big blow-up thing outside the car dealership? Yeah. And let's like put the fireworks under the big blow-up thing outside the car dealership. Delinquents. And let the fireworks just destroy it. And I'll be like, why?

Like, why will we do that? By the time you said why. Yeah, we do that. It's like, we're just going. It's over, yeah. They'd be like, let's go get a trash can and hold the trash can outside the window of a car for as long as we can. And then just let the trash can go and let it hit another car. And I'd be like, you know, like, why?

Yeah. Yeah. My one-digger moment was in high school where it's like, you know, you're making new friends. I'm a freshman or whatever. I'm hanging out with like some older white boys. And at one point, one turns and he's like, hey, yo, y'all ever try some heroin? And I literally go. I'm like, nah, we're out.

I was like, Mom, get me out. Brother, no. My first week in college, dog, Saturday, man. They're like, you know, we have a couple people over. It's cool. I'm not even used to weed at this point, right? See a homie come through in the kitchen and he hit a bag? He was like, y'all trying to hit.

And I was like, y'all left. And I left my own dorm. And that's how. I'll take a walk. Steve about to tell his one white boy moment, I was with these guys and they wanted to pull an armed robbery. But I was looking at her and I was thinking And then she, I could tell she awoke to sister too

She got the low cut I feel like did she have a septum piercing What did we do? Did she have the septum piercing? Crazy That's not saying nothing at all. Let them do it to themselves. That's not sagesy.

Let them do it to themselves. That's not sages. I said she's a, she got a septum piercing. Did she have a septum piercing? I feel like she did. Because she had the one and the little c-cell. He did it. I feel like that's a woke sister.

What is everything wrong to say? So you mean to tell me that you see somebody. Like if you saw somebody, okay, because we, because if you saw somebody with long-ass drag, the septum piercing, the seashell necklace, and a Make America a Great Again hat, you would be like, that don't really make sense. No, we need to put a, we need to put a photo of this. This is they're on the screen right now. It's crazy.

And by, but she doesn't look like the. type that would like be super cool with what the white that's what i'm saying that's my whole point it's just like why are they there yeah it don't look like everybody's too jazzed about it so like what is happening no she wasn't the medical one either the doctor was the other lady was the other lady who absolutely under no circumstances wanted no part of it well she she took an oath to do no harm and they was doing some harm to joe joe got stabbed so in the game he gets beat to death you said yes with the golf club with the golf club but he got he got stabbed with the golf club in his neck.

Yeah. That doesn't happen in the game. No, no. That doesn't happen in the game. That was, I would say, great episode. I was so entertained. Like, we are so back.

The stabbing him in the neck, I was like, all right, all right, y'all doing a little too. Well, you got to make sure. They got to let us know, make sure. No, it's, it's, I was like a little too much for me, like, put some respect on Pedro.

I don't need to see him in this fucking state. It was just hard. The scene was so riveting and such a gut punch to see Ellie asking him to get up because there was really no rationale to her saying that he number one couldn't get up

you saw him try yeah right and you saw their love like literally extinguished in front of the camera he couldn't get up and even if he could have got up there was nothing that he could have done but that's she just she looks at him as Superman and she just has never seen him in this situation where he couldn't meet the moment.

And she had to watch him go. It's a very, very riveting scene. The fucking gall to do this shit while Dina was in the room, too. Dina ain't do shit. Dina ain't fucking... Dina was asleep. I don't care. Literally the first thing they did once, like, everything was the got in there.

They literally put a gun to Dina's head. Because remember, she was going through frostbite. The doctor's like, oh, we're going to fix you. Always like, hey, hey, put your guns down, all that. You know what I'm saying? We're going to put her to sleep. She didn't really have... It was really bang, bang for her.

No, everybody in that room got to get guys. Of course. So then let's talk about the future a little bit. So this episode is done. Jackson must be rebuilt. Right. I don't know if I'm finishing this show either. I can't.

Shut up. I can. I can't. You got to see Ellie get her lick back. Jackson. Jackson needs to be rebuilt. And Ellie now has motivation. and a North Star in terms of the show has its first true villain, if you ask me.

Okay. Last year, it wasn't really about villains. The villain was the situation. Yeah. But the show has its first true villain. And now we'll see how this version of The Last of Us is able to evolve the narrative over the last version of the show, which I would assume is something that the game had to do as well, which is make it more about. father and daughter versus the road

as it is lone wolf without Cubs Love Wolf Cub has to become lone wolf now against the entire world the zombies and Abby's crew of How many shows have we

have we seen in the past that I've been able to make that leap like Game of Thrones is an obvious example by the end of that you see like a character like a John Snow or a Dineris or an a Aria become leads that can lead like this global franchise. Yeah.

Where it's like I, it's been done in other shows, but do you get what I'm saying? Not really. It really hasn't been done that much. Like if you like, so I think that a lot of people don't understand that Logan was supposed to die. Yeah. In like episode three or four of succession.

And when they started fucking around with it, they just couldn't see a way out of his character being a huge part of the show. And I would even say the last season, I was just like, oh, that was the right choice because. right at, spoiler alerts, right after Logan dies, like the show becomes a different show. And it's almost like, I was like, I don't know if they could have survived seasons without him.

You know what I mean? So, and what I would say is that Gamer Thrones was an interesting, by the way, HBO is kicking the shit out of Pedro Pascal. Yeah, they're really like fucking him over. They're like, HBO is, HBO is, HBO is like, he got a great agent because he's like, hey, y'all only need me for a little bit for season two.

Hey, Mandalorian, I only got to be on that one. Like, he's going to have for his head, it's kind of like you get the script page. You're like, oh, snap, oh, two up. I mean, he's going to be more, but like, oh, only for like a month. I literally, as he's died, like, you see his body there, literally in my head, I'm like, fantastic for. But typically, these prestige shows are really about strong central characters.

Yeah. And you can't really think of these shows. and divorce their characters away from them. Tony Sprino, Don Draper, Don Draper, Walter White, all of these. So you don't really, there's not as many examples of this type of deal as you would think. I'm sure there's some that we could probably think

if we went through the catacombs of our brain. But there are not as many examples of this as you would think, particularly a show like this that's oriented around a character and an actor as big of a deal as Pedro Pascal. What I think I'm really excited about is now this is almost such a consequential moment for like Bella Ramsey as an actress because you're going to get to see them really, really, really like not just lock in, but see what the version of their show is. Because all this time it has been the Joel show, at least the cub. This time you're like, oh, Pedro Paso. is like, is who he is,

can Bella, like, take the show and put that on their shoulders? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, and I don't know. I saw some hints of it in this episode where I was just like, oh, I didn't know you had that in your way. I think they definitely can. I think they definitely can. I have a quick question.

What? Because you brought out Mandalorian and Grogu. What, you think, would it be funny if, like, we watched the movie and then, like, a third way through the movie, Bradger Buscal die again and then we got a whole Grogo movie. I'll be so happy. I want to see a Grogu.

I do want to see a Grogu having to get his work back. So replace Joel's death scene with just Mando and they got a whole baby yo. You got a slide for Mando. Is Grogu trained as a Jedi steal or just we don't give a fuck about that? I mean, I don't know.

His force powers developing in any way? I feel like he, didn't he kind of say, fuck y'all. I'm good. I know. He chose the best. But you can still use the horse without being a Jedi.

You can still use the force, but he won't be a fishing with a lightsaber. He won't be able to train his force powers. Like, normally, even non-Jetis, non-Syth,

they normally have somebody trained him in the ways of the force. Yeah. Somebody trains it. Yeah, but like we say we had something like with Skeleton crew

when we had Jude Law's character, like all he really knew how to do was just like pushing pull some stuff. I mean, you can use a, you can use a saber though. Right, a little bit. Yeah, solid saber he is. He could turn.

it on. Okay. That's what I hate. He had a goddamn teacher. Yeah, and then he lost it and then he didn't learn anything else. So what I'm saying is, did Grogu do grogo get taught? Grogu was, they taught Grogu for like 12 hours. They taught him flips.

Whoa, to be fair, that's as long as they was teaching as Yodo was teaching Luke. That motherfucker was all. Luke had two different teachers, though, and he was a chosen one. But he, but he, like, he carrying a lot of water. Yeah. A lot of way. How long was, how long canonically?

How long was he on, uh, fucking what? What was it? What was it? What? What? But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. But. I didn't ask.

If somebody was training Grogu. I asked if Gorgu, if, I didn't, that's what I said. That's fine. I didn't ask, like eight to ten weeks. Eight to ten weeks? He was in trading camp. Yeah, he was just in trading camp. Yeah, he was with Luke for a minute.

But what I'm asking is, is what I said was, is Grogoo still training. No. As a Jedi. And Luke to whatever because Luke trained. Oh. Okay. Girogu trained with Luke for two years. Oh. Oh, shit. He got to be locked. He might be locked. He's a lot. Then he knows what to do.

He trained with him for two years. He was just doing flips the whole time? I guess. He's a baby. I don't know, man. I just kind of, he's like 50 years old, though. Also, he's still a baby. He must have been with Luke, damn near longer than Mando. And he was still like the vibes you're terrible. First sign. He's like, I'm gone, right?

Luke wasn't being nice, bro. No, he wasn't at all. Luke was showing the little tiny lightsabers going, hey, nigga. Learn this. You need to figure your life out. Because I've got time for this. I just saved the whole fucking galaxy,

and you and this bitch, Him and and it and Hahn. Go back to Daddy there. Honestly, to... Grogu must... Grogo must be training as a Jedi, right? He must be continuing to trade his force. To bring it back to The Last of Us, could we get a new Wolfen Cup?

If it was me right in the show, I'd be like Ellie takes the nephew on the road. Maybe the nine-year-old? Yeah. Jesus Christ, that ends poorly quickly. Yes. That goes bad almost in the meeting. No, absolutely not.

That black woman? I think, I think Dina should be the new cup. And then you get a whole different show. You know what I'm saying? Dina, that's what I want. Dina is the club. the last of us, colon, the L word. I hate you, man.

As soon as you said it, I knew exactly where you were going. I mean, technically, in the first episode, Dina was like, shit, there not many of us, we literally are the last one. The last of us. Get us out of here, please, God. The last of us, the Lilith Fair. We don't even remember Litha. Obsolve us, please.

Hey, hey, Alea. Oh, God. All right. Man. Don't bring me in now. Okay. Jesus Christ. Um,

feeble. Okay, let's go. That's a wrap. Special episode of TV, man. On a great episode of television. Was that, where is this ranking? Even in the last couple of, since the Midnight Boys have been around. I got to watch again, but it's pretty good.

First watch is way up there. I mean, it's like, when I'm, I think of episodes where I'm going to remember where I was where I watched it, it's going to be up there with like Conor's wedding, like you said. The Andor prison episode. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And or prison episode. God, no way out. One way out. Shoggin, like, yeah.

It's gonna, it's, like, when we talk about, like, episodes of the 21st century up to this point, I think this, we need to have, this is going to be the conversation. And it's only season two of this show. It's literally, what, the 10th episode of the whole show or something like that? I'm actually a little mad that they have in a season three now. I'm like, I don't need y'all to drag out this Abby. Like, get it.

If Abby's not dead in episode three, you're not happy. Here's the thing. If my girl Ellie's not on the road trying to get her left out, my next episode, I'm about to crash out. Jesus Christ, you guys. This week on the Ring of Earth's Feed later today, House of Arl will give you their deep dive into the last of us. A Wednesday, the midnight boys give you their reaction to the return of Andor. Cassian's back. Our friend Cassie.

Yeah. And on Thursday, House of our. Avar gives you their deep dive on Andorra. Our producers are Alia Zanaris. Jonathan Kerma, join me a dinner on on social. Hashtag the message over the money. It's not about the money. It's not about the money.

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