The Ringer-Verse - 'The Book of Boba Fett' Chapter 1 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

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Save at Whole Foods Market. Into the ringerverse. This is of course the ringers Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. We are Steve Almond Joy, the cuddly New Year's bear. Ooh. Jomi, the explainer, a dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers.

Coke Baby Chuck, the 24-carric closer, and he of the receding hairline, old man van, but together we are known as of the Midnight Boys. Love the new. gunshot sound. Programming reminder. Boba Fett is upon us. The House of R will give us their deep dive into Chapter 1. It's the book of Boba Fett.

Friday, okay? You can catch the Midnight Boys back in the new year. Next Wednesday, talking about Boba Fett and much more. We got more than just the Fet. Woo! Fet's coming in hot. Loved the Fet. We got so much Fet stuff, but we also got more stuff,

Because there's a lot of stuff happening in the world of fandom. Charles, the people over there on the Facebook page, they want us to go back in time and talk about movies that we weren't around to discuss. During the lull of superhero stuff, they want us to take it back and do a show maybe about the original 1989 back. or Superman or the OG Avengers or Blade. So this is different, this is different than, this is different than Midnight misses. This is good superhero movies that we miss the first time around. Yeah, they want us to take it back.

I think we should do Blade. I think we should do Blade One or Blade Two. Should we do a double feature, Blade One and Blade Two? If you had to pick one. If you had to pick one. Blade one. Blade one. If I had to pick one. Blade two is great. Hold on, here's thing. Blade two is slightly better than Blade One. Like, but Blade, Blade 1 is the one that I would do. We can only do one because it's just very important.

But we'll talk about that later. That's something that we might do. That's something that we might do. Wait, should we let the people vote? Yeah, we'll put some movies up there and they can vote. Maybe I'll put it so much. Maybe I might put X-Men in there, the original one. I'll do it.

You know what I mean? Like, I'll do it. It doesn't matter. All right, fun show today. We are getting into the premiere of Book of Boba Fett. We will let you know what we thought of the premiere. and also make a little crime boss. Make a little crime boss here.

It's going to be fun. We got fun to crazy, wacky stuff on the midnight boards for you day. We're wacky. Can I tell you guys I need help really quick? I'm coming to you as someone who has a problem right now post Christmas. What's wrong with you?

I got a PS4 and a PS5 and I like have not left my house. You got a PS4? Well, you don't need a PS4 now. No, because I, have all the old games. Like I got one from my friend that has all the old games I missed loaded up on it. And then I got a PS5 and I'm just playing

through the whole history of them. I'm addicted. I haven't left my fucking house. You should probably give the PS4 to some orphans or something like that, bro. Fuck them orphans. Okay? I played the first Spider-Man, the one that came on on the PS4. Guys, this must be how fathers felt transitioning from like porn mags to like VHS. Like I was just like, are these the graphics I've missed

for five years? Like, what's going on? I'm not understanding what's going on. It's a Wednesday. Bro, it's 10 a. It's 10 a. Like, it's a... The sun is out, my brother.

What? What? You've been hitting the sniff, sniff a little early. It's a Wednesday, bro. I'm not sure what's going on with you right now. Guys, guys, guys. You can play most of those games on your PS5, by the way. No, but they're all loaded up on his PS4 account. I never logged out of it.

Oh, well, I don't know what kind of ghetto shit y'all got going on over there. But you don't need both systems. All right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, millionaire van. I'm sorry, millionaire van. We all can't afford a gaming. What are you talking about? You got the two systems.

I'm saying give one to the less fortunate. I'm serious about that. You should actually take the PS4. Do you have orphans? Which is obsolete. Which is obsolete. And you should go donate that to some toys for time of vision. The orphans would literally look me in my face and be like, why the fuck are you giving me this?

Wrong. You think that they will not. That's not how they feel. They are super appreciative. I give all my old game systems to, To the kids. To the kids? Who are these kids?

Bruh, I give that. When I get something new, I give the old stuff away. I don't sell it to game dude or nothing like that. You give it to the kids. They really appreciate it. You're like a basketball player that gives their like old sneakers to like the less fortunate. You should give it to the kids. Like really, I remember like four or five years ago, I had a Super Nintendo.

I wasn't doing anything. Found an organization donated to some kids. I came over and I hooked it up for the kids. Donkey Kong Country. changed their life. You wouldn't think, like, you wouldn't think that it would be a big deal. They were going nuts. The lady had to take it away.

Really? Yeah, she had to take it away. She hit me up. It's like they're going too crazy over Dunkin'Con country. I have to take it away. It's like you gave them sugar for the first time. They were going crazy. I'm going crazy.

All right, let's get into the episode. Without further ado, you're here to listen to a recap of the first episode. We have to do this anyway, or else you guys are going to. cry. Steve, give me my spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about BobaFent. You're listening to a reaction

podcast. The spoilers are coming. Spoilers are coming. Okay, so to begin our show and to begin the spoilers, Charles is going to take us through Chapter 1 of the Book of BobaFat and something that we've come to name

the Midnight Manifest going to give you all the need to know about the premiere episode of this show. Chuck, take it away. All right, guys, on our inaugural Midnight Manifest for the Book of Boba Fett. We are breaking down Chapter 1, Stranger in a Strange Land,

directed by Robert Rodriguez, starring Tamara Morrison and Mingna Wend, returning to play Boba Fett and Fennick Sean, created and written by John Favreau. The plot of this episode, in the present, Boba is healing in a back to pod and having nightmares of what happens,

to him last in 1983's return of the Jedi. We flashback to Boba being digested in the stomach of the Sarlac by the time he wakes up and escapes his armor is stolen by Jawa's and he's captured by Tuscan Raiders. Boba tries to escape from captivity at night but is ultimately unsuccessful and brought back to camp by the Raiders. Fennec, Boba's right-hand mercenary, wakes him up from the back to pod and tells him that it's time for the trippines. Boba seated on Jabba's Old Throne, assumes his role as Tantween's Damio, aka Crime Boss, it strives to do things different. He doesn't torture his victims. He wants to rule through respect and not fear like Jabba.

He refuses to be carried through the streets like the huts and employs Jabba's former bodyguards, the Gomorrians, instead. When the mayor of Mose Espa refuses to show up, he sends his major domo instead and demands tribute from Boba and things begin to go awry. after Boba and Fenwick are finished collecting tribute at the sanctuary, a club slash brothel. They're ambushed by some unknown warriors. Fennick's chases two of the soldiers to get information. Boba is badly injured during the battle, and the Gomorians have to take him back to the back to the back to his path to heal. And that's when he flashes back to his time from the Tuscan Raiders, and after saving

one of the children from a desert monster, he wins the group's respect. And now, since this is in a comic book, so there's not going to be a... a comic book corner Easter eggs. I'm going to do something a little bit different. I'm calling this the porg platter with a side of fried eggs, okay? Because they are the most chicken-like species in Star Wars. Doc Straussie's tribute appears to be a skinned wookie. Max Rebo, the blue-looking elephant is back. And last but not least, it was revealed by the Hollywood reporter that Robert Rodriguez will be the voice of the mayor, and that is our first midnight manifest of Book of Boba Fett.

Fantastic work. I think we should put that on at the end of the midnight manifest. No, no, no. You want me to put that there? Oh, Steve. Please don't. Please don't. What?

Man, you guys are no fun, man. I'm here for fun. I'm here for fun. All right, I'll do it. Yeah. Charles, what did you think about the premieres? me or Book of Boba fit. Man, it was, it's hard to discuss because it was like a, like a bowl of chicken noodle soup.

It's hard because like that nostalgia gets you. I was like watching it this morning in bed. It was cold outside. And it just kind of envelopes you in the sense of like, oh, we're back in this world where the Mandalorian was similar. It was a little bit more new. We didn't know any of the characters really. And this, we know so many of the characters and so many of the destinations.

that I was just happy to be back in the world. So in that sense, super enjoyable episode. But I think that I liked 50% of the episode more than the other 50%. The flashbacks were not as entertaining to me as like the present day stuff of him going through being this crime boss. That was the shit where I was just like, y'all should just made the first episode 40 minutes of this. Because like that's what I'm invested in. But what about you? How are you feeling about the episode?

Fantastic. I loved it. I loved the episode more than I've loved. I thought it was amazing. First of all, I got to see Boba Fett escape out of the Sarlack Pit. Here's the thing. Sure. Some of the stuff was nostalgia porn, of course.

Seeing Boba Fett escape out of the Sarlac Pit, seeing him with the Tuscan River, all of that stuff, right? Seeing him take job of seat, all of that stuff. however they wove it into what seems to be its own very dynamic story they weren't just throwing you back places to throw you back places and distract you when they didn't have anything to say

with nostalgia which is the way you use nostalgia wrong see you use nostalgia wrong if it's using it's used as a distraction from the fact that your plot doesn't have much to say that you don't have any new directions to go that's using the solger wrong using it in the right way it's taking something

that we're all very familiar with and building it on it. I thought that the premiere episode did that. I thought every time they showed us something, there was a reason we were seeing it. He's obviously having these dreams when he's in the back to pot, and that, to me, is some pretty heavy foreshadowing

about what's going through his head. And also, they have to fill those gaps in. And I thought the fact that it was cool to see Boba in this position of authority, it was cool to see that authority. challenged, you know what I mean? Just a lot of it. I thought the premiere really, really, really worked.

I watched it two or three times, and I was delighted every time I watched it. Some great Star Wars action. Since we started Midnight Boys, has this been your favorite premiere episode? Everything since Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Everything since Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We're not, let's think.

Loki's up there, bro. Loki's up there. I think this beats Hawkeye, the Hawkeye premiere. Beats what if. Yeah, it beats what if. It beats the Falcon and the Winter Soldiers premiere episode, which I didn't like very much at all, to be honest with you.

So I'm going to go yes. I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say it's... Better than Loki, really. Very close between this Hawkeye and Loki. The Hawkeye is good... You're wilding. You're wilding with you're a wild.

This is better than Hawkeye. But I think for me, personally, I wouldn't say it's better. How about this? Let me not say it's better. I enjoyed this more than the first episode of Loki. First episode of Loki was brilliant. Brilliant. A lot of high concepts there that paid off at the end.

But like, I enjoyed this more than the first episode of Loki. What about you? What about your rating? I think, hmm, Loki. It doesn't beat Loki. I think it's probably tied with Hawkeye for me. Yeah, that was good. And people are going to get mad to me.

I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier's first episode was a little bit better than this. Smoking rocks. You said this is better than Loki. So like don't even like, come on, bro. Come on. Yeah, you're definitely. You like you definitely got up this morning and went to the Bronx and got some of the finest. Like you definitely did.

All great. Hey, your opinion. That's what we do. That's what we do here. This is my opinion. That's what we do here. I think it's way crazier to say that this is on the same level

as the Loki premiere. Like, I think that's way crazy. I got to be honest with you. I tried not to love this. Look, I tried not to love this as much as I. I try not to sit there in, like, even Kalika, she's looking like, what are you watching?

Like, I tried not to be as in love with this as I was. It just worked. All right, so, wait, I want to get. Every single way for me. I love to get the other midnight person. Joe me, Steve, do you think that this premiere was on the level of the Loki premiere? Jomey, go.

I'm gonna say no, but it's still an enjoyable. It's still enjoyable. We're saying still enjoyable, but we're counting every single premiere we've done since Spalgan and the Winter Soldier. I think it's a tier below. That doesn't mean it's bad. I still had a lot of fun.

Yeah, I think this is great, but not as good as Loki to me. No. I loved it. We loved that you love it, man. We love that you love it. I love that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's not a debate. It's just a thing. It's a thing that happens. You know what I'm saying? You love it. Now, given the success of the Mandalorian, which we all liked, right? We all love it.

Yes, sir. Chuck, were you excited about a Boba Fett show? I don't think that I was begging for a Boba Fett show, but I was interested in it after the season two finale of the Mandalorian just to see where they would go. I remember when Boba Fett showed up in the Mandalorian and how they handled that. We're all like, oh shit, like, they're doing this right. And now after the first episode, I think he did the thing where I was like, I came in being a little excited,

and now I'm like, all right, I'm plugged in. I want to actually see more of this world. I honestly, like, I got to be real. I love gangster movies. I want to see everything about Tansuin. I want to see who's running the spice. Does Boba Fett have to go on them corner, smack the boys up?

you know what I'm saying? Who's the pimp? Who's not like, who's like, who's on moving everything on tantaline? Who's running booze and shit? That's really what I want to see in my like Star Wars gangster TV show. And I want that. I need that. You feel me?

I do. I want to, I want to take the experiment with the criminal side of Star Wars. I like that. I like the, I like the I'm running a gangster-ass operation side of Star Wars, anti-hero that I'm in control of the time. I'm the captain now. You know what I mean? I like that.

I like that edge. I like when things that are wholesome like Star Wars put a little edge on them. And also it helps surround out the Star Wars universe a little bit more. Part of what, and we're going to talk about this in a second, part of what I think made the Fet such an indelible character over all of these years was the mystery behind the character, you know, that you only got Boba Fett in doses. I think now, though, people's appetites for things are different. People just don't like doses anymore.

They want the buffet. They want the buffet. Like they see a cool character in a thing and they go, you know what? We want to see more of that person. We want to see more of that character. What was going on with them? What's their life like? And that is like, and now shows make Boba Fetz on purpose.

So they give you a mysterious character out of the way. with the intent on spinning that character off and giving you more. And they have to sort of artificially do what Boba Fed did, what Star Wars did for Boba Fed very organically. You know, they have to like give you a mysterious character go, I want more than, oh, two days later, they got their own series coming out. We didn't fucking ask for it.

I mean, look at all the Disney Plus shows. Agatha got her own series. Echo is getting her own series. Damn near everybody on a Marvel show gets their own series. Right. So I'm saying here, it's good to see Bob Effect get his own series for an audience that is more of a buffet audience than they are an audience that likes things in doses. The question is, is there enough meat there to the character to like, play him out for as many episodes as they have to and make us care for that amount of time? If the first episode is any indication of that, I would say that it's a resounding, yes, Charles, what about you?

I think it's still, I still need a couple more episodes because I still think that this is similar to an office, Parks and Rex situation where you got the big one. Like you got, Mandelorian is like the office. That's the one that breaks all these records. Everybody's cheering. Like, we want more of this, more of that. You get the spinoff now, which is weird because obviously Mando from the Mandalorian is inspired by Boba Fett. But I would argue in terms of like the Disney Plus of it all, in terms of the TV show, that story, with Baby Yoda and everything in the popular consciousness has taken over Boba Fett.

People aren't going to the toy store being like, I want Boba Fett toys. They're going saying, I want Baby Yoda toys. You know what I'm saying? So I think I need a couple more episodes to see if they can make the Boba Fett series different enough from the Mandalorian. I don't think it needs to be better, but I think it needs to carve out a niche if they do the gangster stuff, right, that we're just like, all right, cool. I have my Mandalorian story.

about westerns, and now I have my one that's about gangster, crime bosses, all of that stuff. But it's, we need two or three more episodes to figure out if they can achieve that. So let me tell you why I feel like they can achieve it right now, because they're plugging, I feel like the, the structure of it is there. Yeah.

The media's always going to come, but the structure of it is there. I felt it was awesome watching the guys come and give tribute to Boba. We got enough of a little intrigue there while the mayor's already fucking with our guy. You know what I mean? Going back from the flash, when he's flashing back to his time

with the Tuscan Raiders to now gives you an opportunity to kind of understand who he is a little bit more and it's marrying the past to the present. I feel like that's very necessary

to tell almost two stories at once because you're going to tell the story of Boba Fett as a crime boss in this land, which is very important, which is what you're more interested in seeing. And you're also going to tell how he,

his legend because we need a little bit of context for when we see him again in the Mandalorian. And I think for me, I was almost as, like I said before, interested in that than I was and where the character is going in the future. But I think the way that they're doing it structurally is going to work. That's why the first episode gives me some promise. Now, not a lot of dialogue. Nope. I mean, first 10 minutes, I don't think anybody says anything.

Yeah. Mando style story. telling. Not a lot of dialogue, key essential plots only. This, of course, is indicative of some of those shows from the 60s that I used to watch with my father, rest and peace, dad. My dad would be, I'll be watching a Western, and I'll be like, Dad, it's 15 minutes, and no one has said anything except howdy. I'm like, what the hell is going on? This guy's on his horse. This guy's shooting people. Nobody's saying anything. This guy just showed up and clean he's would shot him. Doesn't he want to know who the guy is first? My dad goes,

He knows he's bad. I'm like, all right, cool. So much in the vein of heavy plot thematic westerns, not a lot of dialogue. Does this at any point make the kinetic energy of the show drop off for you? Do you wander when people aren't talking? I think story-wise, I get it. If I was predicting, I'm like, oh, the Tuscan Raiders are coming back.

Because you essentially have two different genres, which I think is the problem with maybe the kinetic force, where it's like you have one genre of protagonist gets dumped in front of natives, whether that is Native Americans, whether that's a white guy surrounded by samurai, and he has to learn their culture. That's what I at least think is happening. Like that's a very, very clear trope. And then the other trope that you have is just a gangster movie, a gangster flick.

I think the problem with the first one, which is protagonist dropped in the middle of natives is like, yeah, there should not be a lot of dialogue because he does not understand the Tuscan Raiders. The whole thing of this episode is him learning their culture. Because if you notice, in the middle of the episode, the Tuscan Raiders are very clear, like, you can fight your way out of captivity. He loses. You have to gain their respect, or at least that's what I thought. And when he kills the beast, he shows a certain level of strength. They're like, now we can welcome you into our tribe. I think that, that probably could have been like an episode three thing.

Just because like in the first episode, I'm like, man, like half of this episode, y'all ain't saying anything. And it kind of slows down the progress that were happening when he's on Tatooine. But it seemed to work more for you then. Did. It did.

It worked a lot for me. It worked a lot for me because like, you know, sitting on the throne is one thing, but the journey of the character is what always gets me. That's why sometimes I get, hung up on small little details is because I really enjoy the journey of the character. I love, I like watching the character work out things. I like watching the character deal with things.

I like watching the journey of the character, right? And I think that's important to see as far as his relationship with the Tuscan Raiders. Now, there's something that's missing from the show, at least right now, that really made Mando come to life. There's no Grogu, there's no Baby Yoda. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Baby Yoda is the best television character.

Grogu is the best television character of the life. three years. Name me one better. Name me one better. I see you looking up. I see you, Steve, I see you. Steve, I see the eyes like, not the case. Steve, I see. Steve, I see you looking up. You access the creative part of your brain when you looked up and to the left. I saw you do that. Name me somebody better than Grogu. I'm thinking, no, he's a, he's a stroke of, uh, marketing and character design genius. He's, he's, he's the best. He's Baby Yoda. He's Grogo. Jomey? I can't, I can't, I can't, of anybody. Our day, Baby Yoda

is probably like the most influential character the last three years. He's not like character rich, but like we love him. I have one where, all right, take cuteness out of it. Take cuteness out of it. You're on a boat, okay? You can't. Take cuteness out of it.

You can't take cuteness out of it. You can't take cuteness out of Baby Yoda. All right, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. You're on a boat and you can only save one person. Only one TV character. This is the worst. Would you save Baby Yoda or would you save Cousin Greg from Succession? I would kick Cousin Greg in the chest off of the goddamn.

I like Cousen Greg. Hold on. Hold on. I like Cousin Greg. I think Cousin Greg is like a big doofy, but I think there's something there. I'm telling you, I think there's something there. Cousin Greg, there's a cunning there. He's just trying to cultivate it. But if it's between Cousin Greg and Baby Yoda,

I know, it's baby Yoda. Yeah. Do you think, I wait, if Tom was on the boat and he had to choose between cousin Greg and baby Yoda, who do you think he's choosing?

I have no clue. I think if Tom was on the vote and he had to choose between Shiv and Baby Yoda, he would choose Baby Yoda. Shiv don't even like Tom. Like, we said Tom to David Jones' locker, easy.

Right. Wait, so can I say this? I think Baby Yoda, I agree. Number one TV character of the last 35 years. I do think that if they try to introduce

another cultural figure to Bobaithet, baby Yoda will end up becoming like the Urkel of Star Wars where it's like you have a character that like all these other sitcoms are trying to find that one character to fit into all of their things where I'm just like,

baby, you can't replicate that. Give Baby Yoda to Mandalorian, let them have that. If you try to replicate that in Asoka or and or any of these shows, you're going to fail massively. That's a lightning in a bottle. Do you think that there's any way

that Boba Fett could introduce a character on the same level of Babyo? Doesn't really fit in the world so now. That was the question. Are they going to try to pull out our cute heartstrings and do the same thing? This show has to be different in that there is no Baby Yoda.

Because remember now, in my opinion, this is the way it should go. In my opinion, what Grogu did for the Mandalorian was give him some heart, give him something that could be a through line to all of the major universal adventures that he was having.

and that kind of made this a story of man and son trying to find out whatever. This is a little bit different. This is going to be a power struggle in a rugged town led by someone with a sketchy history. I don't know whether or not this is one where you want to really pull at the heartstrings very much. I like the tone that the first episode set. To be honest with you, it was kind of violent. You know, there was a lot of action, you know. there was a lot of throwing your weight around.

And there seemed to be a little bit of the cunning conniving thing that always exists in a show when the backdrop is power. And that's essentially what I got from the first episode of the show. The backdrop of this show doesn't have to do with like finding your way through the force. It doesn't have to do with protecting a kid. It has to do with the power grab. It's like some real human base type shit. And I don't know how Baby Yoda fits in it.

One thing I think that this show, at least in the first episode, structurally, that I like more than the Mandalorian, is I think that Baby Yot of it all, I think we've all forgotten that, like, the Mandalorian in the first season is a very slow build. Like, each episode, like, is going on a different adventure. It's not until you get into the season where you're like, oh, this is like the story.

It's not just going to be like an adventure or a monster of the week. And I like that Boba Fett seems to be doing something a little bit different, where they're like, no, we're setting up the story. this is going to be the story of a crime boss on Tantween trying to find his way through this underworld. And I like that a little bit more where I'm like, the Mandalorian, I think, we appreciated the adventure of the week

because it was so new, but I don't know if I would have enjoyed that for this type of show, which I was just like, all right, I like where you're setting the pieces up. Yeah, and if you do that, it kind of takes away from what the Mandalorian is, right? You don't want to do, you know,

like you don't want to have those things, kind of in the same deal. You want the Mandalorian to be its own signature storytelling, and you want to establish your own signature storytelling for this adventure as well. Now, Sarlick Pit. I remember when I first watched Jedi, and they say that they kick you into the Sarlick Pit,

and then you get digested over what time, how long does it take the Sondon? Years, I thought. I thought to myself, damn, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. And literally, it was the worst thing I've ever heard. I was like, what? So it's keeping you alive.

Maybe you're dead, but you're being digested. It's like that sucks. And I thought Boba Fett was, you know, obviously when I first saw, I was surely dead when he gets kicked into the Sarlick Pit or whatever he gets, you know, he's in the Sarlopet or whatever. And seeing how he got out of it was pretty awesome. I think that's incredibly important character building too because you see how resourceful Boba Fett is.

You see how, and you see why, you know, Boba Fett got all his scars and he's messed up and all of that stuff. How hard do you? you think would have actually been to get out of the Sarlick Pit though? Because they don't really actually show how he got out of it. You know, did he do all that stuff? Did he climb out of it? He shot the fire.

And did he, I mean, how far down the Sarlick Pit was he? All of that stuff. Like, that's a tough thing. So from what I could tell, he uses the flamethrower to what I imagine is to create a hole through wherever he is, whether that's a stomach or an intestine. Stomach lining, something. And then they. show him in the sand.

So he's digging through the sand. So not only does he have to cut through these intestines, he has to dig his way up through the sand to escape, which I'm just like, oh, this, like, that's a nightmare. That's the equivalent of being, what, buried alive in a casket? Because you're just digging through sand, digging through sand. And he only takes one gulp of air from the fucking Storm Trooper. But yeah, he still, he does have his suit,

which has a lot of trinkets and bells and whistles on it. he could probably use to get up there. He does have the suit. It's still hard. It's still hard. It's very hard. You know what this makes me think? You guys think that the first time I ever quarter flipped was in Hawkeye.

I've been quarter flipping. I went to see Kill Bill, the bride, Beatrix kiddo, was in, she was in the casket. She's in the casket, and she uses the trick that she learned. Pimey teaches her how to do the fist thing. She busts through the casket. okay, she busts through the casket. I'm thinking to myself, while I'm in there watching, I'm like, she's still dead.

Like, how is she going to get out? Like, it's six feet of dirt on top of her. And then after that, they just show her basically flying. Remember the movie? They basically showed her flying through the dirt to get out to the top. And I'm like, yo, man, what the fuck? You know what I mean? And I remember everybody with me got pissed off.

They're like, Van, let it go. I'm like, I'm saying she couldn't really do that. So, Van, you're saying it's more believable that a space man in a space suit having to dig through organs and arguably like 20 feet of sand is more believable? He's in a suit, though. Sure. So he's got all. We don't know how much of the suit is working, though, because the suit is being digested. The reason he has to get air from the stormtrooper is probably because his suit is running out of air.

But we know how much of the suit is working because he still got the fire. So the fire still worked. So I think in this situation, the suit gives him an advantage. We're not going to get hung up on this because I can tell people listening to it right now. I cannot believe you're doing this again. We're moving on. Yes, we are. We're moving on.

I just have to say, I think it's very real that he could get out of the pit. This is not quarter flipping, but I wanted to ask you about power scaling. So we know that Boba Fett is supposed to be like the one of the baddest bounty hunters in the fucking universe. I understood why he could not fight that well with the Tuscan Raiders. He was just in the Sarlek pit. He hasn't been drinking water. He's dehydrated or whatever. But when he's being killed in the Bacta, whatever, and he's the crime boss, I was wondering what's hampering his fighting there.

I mean, he's getting old. That's how I looked at it. I mean, he wasn't, number one, I'm not sure what kind of health he's actually in. He was kicking ass in the Mandalorian. He was kicking ass in the Mandalorian. That is very true. I'm not sure.

But that looked like a tough situation right there. I really don't know. I don't have a good answer to your question. I'm wondering if this is a story thing. They're going to explain it because he was like, he was badass in the Mandalorian. That's only, what, a couple weeks ago? So is there a reason that he's in the pod?

Does something happen with the, Tuscan Raiders or something like that that made him a little bit slower, not as capable. Well, the Tuscan Raiders would have happened. That's way, way before. That's like the Mandalorian is after the Tuscan Raiders. No, no, no. What I'm saying is did something, did a long-term effect, like a long-term injury happened? From the Sarlake Pit, maybe.

From the Sarlake Pit or the Tuscan Raiders that we didn't figure out in the Mandalorian. And that's why he keeps having to go into the healing pad. We, we, okay. I mean, that's one of the questions. I want to have a little. I want to do something every single podcast. I want to do the Finix Shan Corner. We just talk about what an awesome character.

Badass. So great. Badass. Like almost, to me, a little bit badasser than Boba Fett. That's what I'm saying. Confident doing her thing, running down those guys who are definitely into parkour. And get into them kicking the world. one over the roof, or off the roof, and thereby intimidating the other one, just master

assassin stuff. I love a good master assassin. Fedek throughout the whole episode, she's the one that's in Bovizir being like, you've got to do stuff this way. This is how this hood, you know what I'm saying? This is how this world does things. Before you start chains and stuff, you have to project fear, blah, blah, blah, blah. Are they setting up like an Avon Barksdale, Strait?

bringer bell type situation between Boba and Fenwick, where FedEx's a little bit more streetwise, a little smarter, she's taking college classes, thinking a little bit outside of the box, while Boba's a little bit more on her, this, that, this is how it's done.

You know what I'm saying? Well, maybe. I would also say, I think more what they're setting up is why someone who can clearly see all of these angles is so loyal to Boba Fent. I mean, this is a prediction. I'm throwing Chuck Chudamus.

I'm throwing this. down. I feel like our boy, Boba, is going to get in a lot of trouble with the mayor. He's going to be out gunned or whatever. I feel like the Tuscan Raiders are coming back. Like I feel like the Tuscan Raiders is going to have to call up the homies, be like, all right, I need an army come out. Then the Tuscan Raiders show up. By the way, I like the Tuscan Raiders. Let me tell you something real quick before we get into what would you do. Let me tell you what I like. I like seeing the Tuscan Raiders.

I tell you why. Tuscan Raiders seem like to me the indigenous people of Tattoo. That's what I'm saying, yes. And to me, it seems like, I keep it all the way real. They were treated a little savagy, re-racisty, one-nody, early on in the whole Star Wars situation, okay? They have their own culture. They're out here living. Ain't nobody asked you to come out to the desert in naked and do all of this stuff.

There ain't nobody asked the empire that they're doing their own thing. Humanized the Tuscan Raiders. I liked it. So I was going to ask, I was getting vibes of, like, Like, damn, okay, y'all, y'all gentrified Tantui and y'all stole their fucking land. You build on top of it. They were, it seems like they're very much one with the planet. And in all the movies, we're seeing it as all the Tuscan Raiders.

They're the bad guys. They're the bad guys. I'm like, they're the, it seems like they're the people that are getting kicked off their land. They're the frerman of Tatoo. They're the Frimming of Tatui. All right. Luke Skywalker. He never go out and try to help them.

You know what I mean? And give them Tuscan Raiders, watch out for them. Like, whatever. Get out of here, Scott Walker. I bet. I hope Obi-Wan and his show has better relationships

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What would you do in these scenarios? Steve, take us away. Would you let the mayor's lackey walk away without offering you tribute? No. No. That's the first mistake. That is the first mistake. Yes, I would. Yes, I would. We can argue about this. Charles, Charles, why would you do that? All right. So, the man not only comes in and the mayor hasn't shown up. That's the first sign of disrespect. That's strike won. That the mayor said he was going to come and he didn't, and he did not tell you before.

The second strike is this man is talking reckless to you. He hasn't brought any tribute. It would be nothing for him. to give you a bottle of wine, give you a little sum, some, okay? That's strike two. Strike three is that then he demands in your house that you give him tribute. That's like going into somebody's house, getting on their couch with your dirty shoes

and stomping all over it. You know what I'm saying? Like the Shepel show, all right? You don't do that. That's three strikes. That's three levels of disrespect. All right? You got to let it be known then

that we're not fucking around, okay? That, to me, that is like, you need to do something. I'm not saying you need to kill him. But I am saying you need to do something to him to demonstrate to the mayor. If you fuck with me and if you start a fight, I will burn this shit to the ground. I listen to Charles. Damn.

Attila the Hunn, Napoleon Bonaparte. Coke baby Chuck. Listen to Charles. I think he played it right. And I'll tell you why. He has what seems to be, at best, a fragile hold over Jabba's Empire. He gets tested the very first time that he's out there. Maybe by the mayor, we don't know.

We don't know what the mayor is capable of. We don't know what the mayor has, and we don't know how strong to hold over this entire thing Java has right now. So the smarter thing to do is to politic when you can and go to war when it's necessary. Now, sure, he came in there a little lighten ass. He came in there really on some bullshit, right? Because even his demeanor was kind of like, oh, la-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-demean's not here. I'm this.

That guy was a great character, by the way. But you let it slide for right now. No, you don't let you. Here's the thing, you don't have to kill the man. But there has to be some level of you cannot come into my house in disrespect. Yeah, but what are you going to do? You're going to put a beating on him? No, you don't put a beating on him.

What do you do? You send a fuck, you put a horse head. In the fucking mayor's bed, I don't fucking know. Maybe the horse head will come. But see, it's funny that you mention the godfather, because this is not how Vito Corleone operated. Vito Corleone took his time. See, you're Sonny.

You're Sonny, Colone. I'm sunny. You're Sonny. You're sunny. If I had a wartime, if I had a wartime, if I had a wartime Casualia or Sicilian, like I wouldn't need this for the top of the hell. Look what I got.

Rue and Sonny just fucking diss Tom Hagan, his face. I'm like, Jesus Christ, it's your brother. Why are you talking? And it was racial as well. It's like, you're not good enough because it was very racial, Sonny. But yeah, see, Sonny was too hot-headed. And they

didn't make him a good dawn. Anyway, okay, next one, Steve. All right. Once you got into the good graces of the Tuscan Raiders, would you get revenge on what they did to you if you were Boba? No. Dragged you through the desert, didn't feed you water, beat you.

here's the thing. If we're going to be real, culturally speaking, no offense, Steve, you're thinking from an Anglo-Saxon point of view. You are. The Tuscan Raiders have their own culture. It's not like they enslaved Boba, okay? They didn't torture him, they didn't whip him, wherever. They made him dig for water. They made him do manual labor. Well, whoa, they are teaching him how to survive in the desert. They made him do manual labor. They did. They, he lit, they are literally teaching him how to survive. He would have been dead out there to hear the Sarlack pit. So if, if, we're going to be real.

The brown people saved me. Oh, fucking Boba Fett. If we're being real, they showed fucking mercy. And this guy wants to fucking, think about this. Think about this. Steve, how would you feel if you save somebody in the fucking desert and then he comes back to your home and then beats your dog for no reason?

The dog was not doing shit, bro. The dog was just like sleeping. I like the dog, by the way. I love the dog. Yeah. Boba Fett beat that dog's ass for no fucking reason, bro. He did. He was nice to the dog.

dog, though. He did, like, caress the dog. He wasn't super mean. He wasn't as mean to the dog. But you can't beat a dog. And there a couple days later, he'd be like, my bad, bro. Like, yeah, it's true. Nah, no, you definitely don't take revenge. You definitely don't take revenge. As long as you take revenge. You're in good with them now. You've learned their ways. And also, to be clear, to be clear, they gave him a chance

to fight for his freedom. Yeah. They gave him a chance. He failed. Like, here's the thing. If they ran, here's how of history, this is just history, don't get that of me. We just know, white people, if you,

if you, like, beat their dogs and run away, they ain't even let you like fight for you. You don't get a chance to fight for you. You don't get,

like, the Tuscan writers is like, hey, man. They brought it back on. It was like, hey, hey, like,

hey, hey. It's like, hey, get your ass back away. They'll give you no chance. Like, you better call hands.

It seems like you can see if she got some extra time We didn't get none of that Get your ass bike over here You think you want what? Like by the way, think about this Real quick before we can move and we can move off actual slavery. Think about this Think about this.

This is, think about how fucked up this is. I know y'all love Thomas Jefferson. What? Yo! Nobody's saying that. Wait a second. Wait a second. Thomas Jefferson his fucking kids

What? It was his kids Think about it man That's some real savage shit Oh some real shit But think about it'd be like It's your kid You'd be like hey man

Look go get on it Look look he's not looking Go go go go go go Go go go If it was your kid You try to help him Thomas Jefferson is like nah Oh my God

Like savage shit I'm just saying See if this makes it to the pod We'll see here comes the next question would you be carried around in the streets by your crew or would you walk on your own two feet? Oh, you're going to have to lift my black ass up.

We're going to have to do some blops around the city. We're going to do some blops around tattooing, you know what I'm saying? I'm not good with stuff like that. You probably have to pick me up and probably have some grapes too. Yeah, no, you've got to peel the grapes. I'm not even eating the skin. Like peel the grapes off one by one, okay? Chop, chop.

Jabba always had snacks. You know what I mean? Always. And I think for me personally, I just think it would be part of the whole thing just to stun a little bit. You know, I'm stunting. I'm up there. And by the way, this would be, this would be better for them because this is like a, they went from carrying Java to carrying me. Like, they came up.

You know what I mean? I definitely have to. Joni looks like he has something to say, where are you? What would you say, Jomey? You're walking or are you getting carried? I'm getting carried. Like, that's not even a question. Like, you're going to have to carry me, like, on a nice paladin.

You know what I'm saying? I need a dude announcing me. You feel me? I need, like, a cup holder. Exactly. Like, like, leaf fanning you? Yeah. Leaf fanny.

Feed you stolen chicken tenders. Exactly. Exactly. Again, they were my, we're not, we're not doing this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. This is, you guys are going to yell at me for this. We know it's 2021. It's a new time.

This is a question I'm adding. I personally would get rid of the very sexist Princess Leia bikinis. No, you guys can all wear comfortable. We're all wearing Nike Tech Fleas, okay? Everybody can be comfortable when they're serving me. Are you keeping, are you making them dress like slaves? Nah, I think we're getting like, I don't think like Nike Tech fleas, some track suits.

You know what I'm saying? Track suits and tattooing. Yeah. Or maybe some Ethica. You know, you guys ever seen the Ethica stuff? Yeah. Maybe they can wear that. Are you running away after the same?

Sand Monster attacks the Tuscan kid or are you helping him back to his family? I mean, if, if I'm keeping it real, I'm out. You know? That's not the smart thing to do.

But see, you can't ask me because I don't have the skills that he has. Like, for example, if you make it like a, like if I saw like a woman, so this is what is, if I saw like a woman or man or whomever getting attacked on the streets right now, I box all the time. I do my thing.

I would try to intervene because I know that that's a, that's a like a... Wait, you're jumping in, Van? Yeah, for sure. It's happened before. You like the Detroit security guard on TikTok. Like, you really think that you could do a thing.

Maybe that might be me. If you got a gun, you want the argument, though. I don't have those. But I will say this, though. Like, see, like a monster, I would have to believe in myself, like Boba Pham probably believes in himself. He's probably on that level.

So I can't say, Like, if I'm Boba Fett, then maybe I would jump in. But Van, no. Ooh, I think I got to go on my victory lap. I think if I'm Boba Fett, I would go back because I'm just like, oh shit, like, I just killed this monster. You're like, come on. Like, give me some more cups of water.

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about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfairadio.com. Let's do a little midnight speculation. All right. This is the first episode. We have a long way to go. Let's do a little speculating and answer some questions, some burning questions that we have for episode two. First question. Who do we think the mayor is that disrespect the Boba Fett?

I feel like because it's been revealed that Robert Rodriguez is the voice. It would have to be a new character, wouldn't it? So I think it's a new character. Do you think it's a brand new character, Steve? Yeah. My guess is that it might be Okay, so do you remember an Empire Strikes Back when Vader hired

like that gang of Bounty Hunter's Bobafet included? I think it might be one of those guys. Jummi? Yeah, I think it's a brand new character, some we haven't seen in this universe yet. We're going to be surprised at who it is. So a brand new character, we haven't seen

in the universe, but it's not somebody that's not somebody that bring it back. Honestly, if it was me, I know we can't do it because we already got those three movies. but it should, it would be so badass, badass if it was Han. If Han was just like, fuck this. Like, I'm getting my money. Oh, I like that.

Han as the mayor of, Han as the mayor. Han is a mayor? He'd be a horrible mayor. That's what I'm saying. That's what we're making good because he'd be so corrupt. All the money's gone. He'd be hard. It'd be hard.

Who are the attackers that Boba and Finnic encountered? I took that as that was the mayor. when the guy left, his major domo left and he'd be like, don't be surprised if you guys get another delegation. I assume that that was the mayor's delegation, his way being like, fuck off. I have no clue. I do think that they're connected to the mayor, though,

because there was a not-so-settled threat made by the mayor's emissary when before he left in front of Boba. I will say this, though, it would be kind of on the nose if it were the mayor. You know, because it would be kind of on the nose if it were the mayor, if the mayor had sent that because Bobafed's new in this territory in terms of running it. As we saw before, there's a dynamic where there are certain people

who maybe he used to work for that might feel maybe usurped by him. He's probably got more enemies right now than he has friends. He's introducing himself. So people might feel like he's at as weak as now. They might take shots. So it might not necessarily be there. If I'm being real, though, then it might be on the nose. But if we've learned anything about these Disney Plus shows is generally the first thing you think of.

It is the most, the obvious choice. So. Where do we think the Tuscan Raider storyline is going? I already told y'all. I think that the reason that they put it in the pilot is because they're going to be very, very important. And I wouldn't be surprised if maybe we're making a lot of jokes about the Tuscan Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a little bit of like Tuscan Raider revenge, Boba, strikes a deal with them,

he becomes their army, he gives them a bunch of land. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tuscan Raiders become, they get a little bit more respect on this planet because Boba Fett has so much love for them and what they did for him

when they were together. What are the chances that the Tuscan Raiders actually are the force that helps Boba to secure the city. I think that's happening 100%. I think that's 100% going to happen. I think he's going to broker a deal with them

to shore up his power on the planet. What are the characters from the Star Wars universe do we think are going to show up, Jumby? Honestly, I think we might get Amanda, you know, signing at the end. You know, to remind us he's still there.

Hey, what's up? You came in my shows. I'm gonna come in your show. You know, I'm saying, but they don't need Pedro Pascal to be there. to get some dude in the suit. Pedro can need a voiceover from his crib, you know, wherever he is in the world.

You know, we could get a little some for the season finale, I believe, to set us up for Mando season three. Does anyone here think that there's going to be any Jedi action? I hope there isn't. You hope there is it? Yeah. I've had a longstanding thing with Star Wars where I've always like, I have always challenged a Star Wars property to not put a Jedi in something.

Why? I love the Jedi. What? I don't know about it. I don't want to Steve up. It's not, it's like, I just as an experiment. I'm like, can you do it?

Jomey, no, we broke up the group. Oh, the group broke up. Look, Jomey just left. Look, it's normally Jomey and Steve like the fucking Riggs and Mertal of goddamn. When I say Riggs, I mean, you as Mel Gibson, Steve. And like, and like,

they're normally the Rigs and Mertile. Look, the weapon just broke up. Jomey, give me your dissenting take away from Steve. The wedge, boom. The wedge has been driven. I enjoy a Star Wars story, just like everyone else. The thing about Star Wars stories are the Jedi.

Talk your shit. Like, while I agree, like, I do agree with Steve that like, hey, it would be nice to see like something without a Jedi or a lightsaber. I don't know, man. I kind of, you know, that's the basis of the story. At this point, it's just a dare. I'm like, can you? We're going to be real. If you don't have any lightsabers in your Star Wars story,

it automatically gets dinged in my book like a star just because I'm just like, you know what we showed up. Does it? Yes. Really? If it's not that, then it's just fucking Star Trek, dude. So, whoa. Whoa.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Well, Daddy. Whoa. You just fell off your horse cowboy. You just fell off.

And this is no Distar Trek But you just fell Off your horse cowboy That's not true at all You went too far Hey It's just Coke baby Chuck If there's a light saber

I'm like what the fuck we doing bro What the fuck we do? Um Okay But no So this is so this is how I am I'm I need a lights

I like a lightsaber man I like a good old saber I like a woo It doesn't have to be wall the wall sabers But they're trying to push us away from the lightsaber jetta. That's why, be honest.

I like that. Most badass moment in Rogue One. Oh, see, that's not fair, though. That's not fair. No, but think about it. The story didn't need that. It didn't need it. It didn't need it.

But we got it, and it was cool as hell. Yeah. But the story didn't need it, but did it make your feelings about the movie jump? Is it like, oh shit, they did it. Like, come. Right. Yeah, they did. But, like, Rogue One is so spectacular on its own that, like, it really,

I'm not even going to do that with you, Charles. But like, Rogue One is so spectacular on its own that that was like the cherry on top. And by the way, I kind of feel like the story did need it. I think the story did need it. I think the story did need it. My one take from that ending hallway scene for Vader at the end of that is like, oh, I know exactly why he's so pissed at Leah

at the very beginning of a New Hope because he's like, I was just here. You're lying to my face. You're a liar. You're a liar. Like, I just saw you. put those plans on this ship. Right. Daughter.

Yeah. A lie to me. That is it for our recap of Boba Fett. I thought the initial Boba Fett show was amazing. I thought they hit the complete right tenor with the show. Should we bring in Midnight meter rankings?

I think we saved that for the end of the show. I think so as well. I was asked about that. I was asked about that. We shouldn't do it. I think it's a little hard to do within the narrative that's being woven. If you have to predict after seven episodes, where do you think this lands on the midnight meter? Ooh, we do a midnight futures?

Yeah, where do you think? Closed envelope prediction, yeah. Closed envelope prediction. I think this is going to be a nine. Okay. I'm going to go with eight. I'm going to go with an eight on the midnight meter. I'm nine.

I'm leaving in, I'm, I say nine. I'm leaving in the possibility that this could make it all the way to 11. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. He hedging. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's be clear. Mandalorian, I would say

is an 11. Oh, I would say season two is a 12. Season 2 is, I could go with 12. I would go with a 12. So you're saying Boba Fett is going to be, could be an 11? Could be an 11. Could be an 11. Could be an 11.

It's going to have to make a lot of work. It's going to have to do a lot. Yeah, that's great already. All right, wait, what would Joe Me? Steve? Where are your predictions? Midnight futures. I think I'm with a nine, too, as well.

I'll put it around a nine as well. It's got a lot of work to do, but it could be really good. Nobody's capping. How's it? You don't disagree. Can we get some discourse? You don't disagree with Van with the nine. Hey, bro.

You know what you do? Go take the motherfucking PS4 and give it to the kids. You don't need both systems. Don't tell us about our lives. you don't need both systems. You don't. Take the PS4. All right.

First of all. First of all, Van, you told me you would get me a PS5 for Christmas. My tree was fucking bare. If you would have reminded me, I certainly would have bought it. I had to buy things for a lot of people, okay? But let me ask you, let me tell you something. How about this? I buy you the Xbox, but only once I have visual proof that you've given the PS4 to somebody less fortunate.

Because it's an obsolete system. And you shouldn't have it. And somebody else would really appreciate it. Give it away. Now, quick Nerd News Minute. Give me my Nerd News thing. Ooh, baby, don't. Ooh, Daddy.

So, Nerd News Minute, once again, the recast Tachala situation is hot like fire on the Internet. We've talked about this before. And I want to give credit to someone here about the recast to Chala petition. I've talked about this, and we've been discussing it, but the driving force behind the recast petition is a guy named Eman's Reviews on Twitter. Eman's movie reviews. His tweet is at Eman's Reviews.

I've been talking to this guy for a little while. He was the one that started to petition. The petition is behind, the petition is behind, sort of the story getting as big as what it is right now. It's been featured in time. It's now in the LA Times. It's been everywhere.

It seems to me now it's gaining real steam. It's a real thing. Maybe we should have Eman on here pretty soon to make his case to everyone. I've already made my case. You three are against it. I am obviously for it. Oh, Steve, I thought you guys were against recasting the room. No, I'm for it.

Okay, you're for it. Okay. I'm for it. Has any of the sort of momentum behind this changed any of you guys's opinions? And that coupled with the disaster of production that it seems Black Panther Wakanda forever is. Alleged.

Alleged. Alleged. Alleged. Has anything changed you guys? Have you been keeping up with it? What do you think about the idea of recasting Tichala sooner rather than later? It has only strengthened my opinion

that at a certain point, we need to respect creators way more. I personally, this is my personal belief. Like, I get people have emotional attachment to Chichala. I get that they have an emotional attachment to Black Panther. But like, let's be real. We did not work with Chadwick Boseman. Like, as hard as his death was for the fans,

it was double, triple, 1,000 times harder for the people who worked with him every day, the coolers of the world. Kevin Fahey, all these people who were responsible for getting this thing out in the world. And I think that this is different than a Snyder cut thing, where it's just like, we want this cut of the movie, we want this cut of the movie. It's a different thing. If the director of the movie and everybody was in agreement, it's like, yo, we can't do this. Emotionally, it is not the right time to do this.

We have to respect that. And I get that people are passionate. I get that comic book fans are constantly advocating for what they want. but I think it's kind of gotten to a disrespectful level, if I'm going to be real. The creators made a choice. They made a choice that was informed by their emotions of who they worked with and the man that they knew

and wanted to honor his legacy, and everybody just has to relax. Very well said. I have a knit to pick. And as hard of a knit as this is, and with respect to everyone and what they're going through, you said respect to creators. Coogler and Nate Moore did not create Tachala.

They didn't. Like they created a Black Panther film that features the character, right? The character existed in iterations before them. I'd be honest with you. I understand the sensitivities behind this. He's not their character to kill. They're not killing the character.

They're just saying for right now, we are not recasting this version of Tachala. That's not them saying we will never get another to Shala. That's just saying in this current year, or as they're developing this new iteration of whatever Black Panther is going to become, they could not do it. And I think the fans insistence, like, we want this now, we want this now, we want this now, we want this now, like is a little childish and it's immature.

When all these people are saying, the creators are saying is we're telling a story, and right now we could not recast our friend. It is too soon. And as someone who's gone through so much death, there is never one right way to grieve. But if this is how they've chosen to grieve by saying like, we want to remember Chadwick Boseman this way, we don't want to recast him.

Who am I as a fan to say, no, I want this thing now. Fuck your feelings. This is why talks are good because there has to be space made everywhere, right? Yeah. There has to be space made everywhere when you're having to talk like this.

You're right. You're right. Everything that you're saying is right. everything that you're saying is right. It's right. You're correct. It's just that it's not about that. And also, I think there's almost some responsibility here.

And I won't be long-witted about it. But showing up to theaters to see Black Panther became a cultural edict in 2018. It became something that the culture, the history, the place of the character within not just Marvel, but within the actual real world, became something that was used, everybody walking around doing a Wakanda salute, to push it forward.

And it was based around Tchala. It was based around the fact that we were following the hero's journey of a man who was becoming king of his country. Right? He just basically got his crown. He just became the king of, of Wakanda. It just happened. Obviously, what Chaggwood-Boseman was going through while making the movie and while making

all these other films that he made was completely, I just, it's unthinkable, the bravery that it took, and you want to honor that. But I don't know if taking the character that he made people fall in love with away from them is the way to do that. Now, if you're telling me that the reason why the creatives can't do it is because it's a personal decision that they're making for their own emotions, I understand that, but that's not their decision to make. Not for that reason. If Tachala doesn't fit with the story, if they're doing something else and they got to put them on ice for a little while.

But I feel like if Chad with Bowsman went through what he was able to go through to bring Tachia to the screen for us, then other people should be able to go through things that might be difficult or painful to bring Chachal to the screen to us because I personally believe that Tachala is the Black Panther and I'm not going to freak out

if they don't. I'm not going to be like going crazy if they don't. I completely understand it. But this is the moment that I really want people to think about this, especially as it relates to a black hero. There's just always some reason why

we don't get the black hero. This is another thing with life getting in the way of us seeing ourselves up on that screen 10 feet tall. I'm sure they can have other Black Panthers. I'm talking about this one specific guy who we know is the

character. Something always happens to take that away from us. And I think at this point the creatives really for a lot of people will be doing something amazingly heroic and also something that honors the legend of Chadwick Bowman. If

they persevered and gave us our king back. And then I'm not saying anyone could ever do the job that he could do because it's a singular portrayal. But I just think it's one of the more fascinating things has happened in a whole long time. But I completely understand.

It's fascinating. All I will say is I'm just asking for grace for the creators. Give them grace because we don't even have the movie. If we get the movie and people don't like it or it doesn't reach a certain level, then I think you could have a nuanced conversation about it. But I do think in the same, way we're all like, I don't know Spider-Man, no way home can do it. I don't know if Spider-Way

No Way Home can do it. They did it. They stuck the landing. I want to give Cougler and everybody Nate Moore the grace to be like, y'all made a decision. It was a risk. Give them the chance. Like they built up that credibility with the first by Panther. Just give them the chance to fail. We're not even giving them the chance to fail. Like if they fail, then we're going to have that conversation. Yeah, I think that's my problem, Charles. People are already like putting dirt like on it already despite the movie being like like a year away yeah we need to like like agendas are already flying like let's watch the movie right let's respect the creative decision let's watch the movie and then we can have you know a different discussion then not now i guess what i would say i understand

that but so i'm saying it's like we respect their emotional space not to have to chala in the movie unless the movie's bad no i'm saying we can have people can have the conversation of like recast Achala, recast chala, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can have that nuanced conversation once you get the product. Like, if you don't, like, like we don't even have the movie.

We're going off of, to be quite clear, a bunch of rumors that are not substantiated in any type of, let's put it this way, any trusted news sources, new sources that I trust. Say it about what? About Latitia, right?

Or about... Yeah, just about the troubles on, on set and all that stuff. All that stuff is just like rumors. It's not like the New York Times or the LA Times. It's like, here's behind the scenes of what's going on.

Like, this is all just kind of like our imagination. And I'm just saying, give them the grace. Like, if we don't like the movie, then you can have a conversation of like, what do we want for it to be better? But like, yo, dog, they gave us the first Black Panther. Can you not give these people the room to like at least try their version of it? If they fuck up, then like, yeah, then we can have arguments about it.

I get it. I get it. Just, just for me, I look at it as, you know, if it's an emotional thing, then making a bomb is not going to change the way they feel about it. You know, I understand, I do understand the narrative of time, though. But to me, I think it would almost be better at this point if they just said, we're eventually going to bring a new Tichala in. Just not now. But like, even if they just committed to letting us know that the character isn't off the screen forever. But I mean, you, did we survive? Did we survive,

knowing, like, how many years did we spend being like our Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield in this movie? Are they in this movie? Are they in this movie? They didn't tell us until we saw the movie. That's a completely different scenario. That's a completely different scenario. But we're going to survive. Like once they're going to bring to Chala back, it'll be fine. Like, trust me, if you are not a character in a billion dollar movie and they're like, we are literally on a podcast talking about fucking Boba Fett who died on screen.

Like these companies going to bring this character back. Different situations, different situations. All right, look, spirit of debate. Steve, we kind of didn't loop you in here because, you know. Completely fine. I'm just joking. I love you, Steve. I'm just joking.

Before I get into the show close, Steve, you weren't able to voice your opinions. Jomey either, really, on the Matrix Resurrections, which is a House of Midnight Pod that Charles and I did with Joe, fantastic pod that we did with Joe.

Before we get out of here, before I wrap the show, not to go super long, I thought the movie was absolutely horrendous. and terrible. You made it know. You made it very much.

Joe was on the more negative side, but she was trying to be positive. Jomey, Steve, what were you guys' thoughts on the movie? I really liked it. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie. Oh my God.

Play it. Play it. You gotta play it. Steve, you have to play it on yourself. You have to play. Steve, don't bullshit me here, Steve.

Play that light. Steve, I'm not playing everything. Stop the cat. Stop the cat. Stop the cat. Steve. There are parts that are a mess. I'm serious. But for somebody that has written for the Wachowski's for a very long time, I've found so many good things to like about that movie. And from what I'll say is this. The Wachowski's were the first directors that I ever learned about

interpreting what an artist's intent is and making some work. And I genuinely liked what Lana decided to do to not make a Matrix movie. and to make something that is making you smoke the whole Matrix pack until you get sick and I kind of love that. I love you Steve but you're on your bullshit you're on your bullshit. It's like I get it.

Cool. Is it enjoyable? Is the question? No, you can't even answer it. Answer. Is it an enjoyable? Is it enjoyable? In certain respects, yes. No, no, no. I completely understand why you don't like it. I know why you don't like this. But see, see, hold on.

It's valid for you to not like this. Steve, hold on. Now, you and I are also Cloud Atlas truthers. Yes. Okay? All right. I think Cloud Atlas is highly problematic. Sure.

I'm making space to say right now to the AAPI of people who are watching the show, who are listening to this show that Cloud Atlas does some really, really fucked up things in terms of the makeup and what they do. I get that. The story of Cloud Atlas is beautiful. It looks beautiful. Remember when they're in like the future world? It looks great.

It's high stakes. Even if you don't like Cloud Atlas, it is interesting to watch. That Matrix movie is one of the most boring movies I've ever watched before. I do. I disagree a little bit. I really do.

I really think that the character of the analyst is actually very interesting in making the interpretation of like this, okay, let's manifest what this Q&on type of facts aren't as easy to control as feelings type of... Like, these aren't dumb filmmakers. They know what they want to do. Regardless of the amount of success, they're trying to say something.

And what I love about the Bichowski's every single time is that they aim for Jupiter every time. They swing that bat. But listen, I get it. They're never going to make a small movie. And I kind of love that, regardless of how those results can be. Right. Okay. Jomey, Jomey.

What were your thoughts? Yeah, Steve's in the pocket of Big Wachowski. As for me, honestly, once they get past the meta commentary on it, it's a serviceable film after that. Like all the meta stuff when they're building the game, it's just really heavy-handed and quite annoying. But once they get back to the Matrix, it's like, I can see where it was going. Not great, you know, as a sum total of a movie. but the first part stakes and the second part is fine.

I will concede the fight scenes are all bad. There's no excuse that. In a Matrix, in a Matrix movie, in a Matrix movie, awful fight choreo. It's like, what's the most, what's the most meta-anty-Matrix thing to do is to make a Matrix movie where the fight scenes suck?

Don't sit me in a theater to fuck with me. Like, I want to make, whatever. All right. Steve in the pocket of Big Wachowski. We know. All right. That is a wrap for us. The House of R returns with their deep dive of the book of Boba Fett on Friday.

Friday, House of R. Make sure you tap in with them. Deep dive into a book of Boba Fett. It's going to be great. And next Wednesday, the Midnight Boys, we'll give our reactions to the next episode of the Book of Boba Fett. But we really do want you guys to get active on socials. And give us some movies that you would like to see us give the midnight treatment to

and a midnight meter ranking too. look back into your old roll decks of films that you like. You know what I mean? Films that mean something to superhero and fandom culture. Like, pull out some gyms from years past.

And go outside of the MCU. We want to go outside of the MCU. I would want to do The Dark Night because it's too obvious, but I would like to do maybe Batman Begins. Ooh. You know what I mean? I would like to do some of these other films

that kind of get, that are, you know, gyms in there. Like, a lot of movies. Afflex Daredevil. I'm with that. I'm with that. I'm with that. And then we do a lecture the next week.

Yeah. Wow. Ouch. That's tough. That's a rough double feature. I'm with that. But these ideas have to come to us. These movies have to come to us on Ringervverse, the socials, on Facebook, IG, and Twitter.

Make sure you join and send us thoughts, questions, and ideas. Guys, I want to run the numbers of the series. socials all the way up. We know we have a healthy audience for the Ring of Verse. We're doing great. If you are listening to my voice, I want to see how many people can join our socials this week. If you're listening to my voice,

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We say Jomey. Let's promote Jomey. This Jomey Jop. Get the socials way up there. And by the way, I know you guys love the social stuff that Jomey's been doing. We'll even do more of that

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