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Episode Date: February 2, 2022

Van Lathan and Charles Holmes hop in the speeder to discuss their favorite episode of 'Star Wars' television to date with the latest episode of 'The Book of Boba Fett' (04:03). They discuss the return of yet another fan favorite character and how they have developed since we last saw them (23:43). Then they discuss the conflict of Tatooine and who is making moves against the syndicate (43:52), all before discussing what they thing think the finale might bring and how Boba Fett will need to make a big showing next episode (1:08:41). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The House of Ar is going to be giving us a deep dive into Chapter 6 of the book of Boba Fitt. House of R. Harley Rubin, Joy, Jordan, Robinson. House of R. By the way, do you know what I just figured out like what the name comes from. Like, I was thinking, why is it R? Oh, wait, really? I'm not even lying.

Is this a true? I swear. You gotta stay off the weed. You gotta stay off the weed, yo, so last night I was about to actually hit the group text because there's no, it's been House of All working title, but we got this slam bang brand new, a brand new art.

Amazing art. Amazing art, shout out. And it doesn't say working title anymore. So people have been saying this. And last night, when I was. thinking about. I was like, why is it R? I didn't know why it was R. But now I know. Robinson

and Rubin. There you go. House of Ard. What was your SAT score, Van? What was your SAT score? 1,300. Is that good? I forgot. Out of 1600? Out of 16?

I thought it was out of 18. Yeah. It was 16 when I was doing it. Yeah. Oh, shit. Man. Yeah. It's 1,300. I remember it was a big deal.

I was, uh, then we, We had the, we had the, we had the fucking, what you call it? The ACT. Yeah, the ACT. Yeah, I did the ACT and I didn't do as well comparatively on the ACT. I did well, but not as well as whatever. Why are we talking about this? I have no idea.

Sorry. Now, we're going to be back for more of the Book of Bullfet next week. That's what we're doing. Wednesday, Friday, House of All Fridays, Midnight Boy Wednesday. you know how it goes. But today's show, we're gonna have to jump into it. I don't really sense

the energy within you. This is like probably the best two episodes stretch. It's Star Wars TV history. Like I don't see, I don't see that level of excitement from you. I'll tell you why you'll assist since the energy and it's a good observations

because I'm all cried out. That's why. No wonder, I thought it was the weed, but your eyes are really red. Have they been tears? I didn't realize. how attached I was to grow blue.

It's bad. It's, it's, it's bad. It's stupid. It's so funny that the moment that we say, hey, it's lost a little bit of its wonderment. The fucking wonderment comes back. They just comes back, slaps you in the face. They hit us with the fucking wonderment.

Oh my God. It's nuts. We're going to talk about this episode of the Book of Boba Fett. And before I burst into tears again, I can't even bring myself to think about what we just witnessed without getting all fuzzy inside. Let's go ahead and give ourselves, ourselves and our audience the spoiler warning. Because, look, I would hate to spoil this episode for anyone.

I don't want anyone to miss out on what I saw. All right, this is the only time to spoiler warning. This is the only ever warranted in history of this goddamn show. Right. We're getting ready to talk about Mandu. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Yeah.

You just went straight to Mando there, huh? I mean, let's talk about it real quick before we get into the Midnight Manifest. And whether or not that's actually disrespectful. It's not disrespectful. Here's the thing. The show's doing the disrespect at this point. Nah. This works.

I mean, to Jomey's, to Jomey's point. on Twitter. Your boy, Boba's on Packwatch right now. Two episodes in a row. Just getting to the Midnight Manifest. I have... I'm going to tell you who BobaFed is after we do the Midnight Manifest.

Go ahead. All right. Guys, the Midnight Manifest for this perfect, sublime episode of the Book of Boba Fett is entitled, From the Desert Comes a Stranger directed by the Master himself,

Dave Bologna, and written by Jean Fabreau and Filoni. We begin. with Cobvan, the marshal of Mospelgo, he finds the pike selling spice in his territory, and he tells those jive turkeys to step off. When they don't believe him, they pull out a gun and three of them get killed, and he sends one on their way, tells him to leave the spice, and he kicks it into the desert. Then, Mando arrives on a bamboo covered planet and meets R2D2, who brings the Mandalorian to the site of a new Jedi temple

being built stone by stone, Mando falls asleep on a bench waiting for Luke and Grogu to return. Luke and Grogu are training elsewhere on the planet, but Grogu is distracted and tries to use the force to eat a tasty little space frog. Luke tells Grogu that he reminds him of his old Master Dota and then unlocks Grogu's old memories of watching the Jedi Masters die at the temple during Order 66. Then Luke promises to teach Grogu how to protect himself. When Mando awakened, He's met by one of the greatest Jedi of all time. Asoka. She guides Mando to where Lucas trained in Grogu.

But Asoka worries that if Grogu sees Mando, his attachment to the Mandalorian will only make things more difficult for the potential Padawan. But she makes sure to tell Mando that Grogu misses him a ton. She says she'll give Grogue Mando's gift, which breaks the bounty hunter's heart. And then Mando leaves the planet with Grogu looking so, so sad. A training montage with Luke and Groguen ensues, Skywalker and Mr. Asoka, that, quote, it's more like he's remembering than I'm actually teaching him anything. Then Luke worries that Grogu's heart isn't really in Jedi training, to which Asoka responds,

so much like your father. Mando arrives on Tatooine and says he can help with Boba's manpower problem. Mando tries to persuade Cobb and the people of the newly named Freetown to help in the Battle of Pikes. Cobb says it's none of his people's business, but when Mando leaves, he says to gather all able-bodied men and women, because he has something he needs to tell them. Then one of the most legendary bounty hunters, shout out Clone Wars. Cad Bain arrives. He's newly employed by the Pikes, and he arrives in Freetown,

shoots the Marshal and his deputy, after warning to join his side over Bobaithets. The Pikes then bombed the sanctuary and most Espa. Then back at the Jedi sanctuary, Luke asked Grogu to pick between Mando's gift of a Bescar chain mail shirt or Yoda's lightsaber. Depending upon Grogu's choice, they'll either return to Mando's side or become the first student at Luke's new Jedi Temple. And guys, without further ado, we need to get

into this action-packed episode. Before we get into this episode, let's go ahead and talk about it real quick. The immediate thoughts on this episode, I am now making an observation. We thought that Boba-Fitt was going to be a

Kendrick Lamar. We thought that Boba-Fet was going to be a Jay-Z. We thought that Boba Fett was going to be Drake, but that's not who he is. Boba Fett is the DJ Callet. Damn. What?

Damn. Of the Star Wars universe. Let me explain to you what I mean. Gun down. Well, first of all, you guys think that that's a diss. It's not a diss. Okay. What does DJ Caled do so well?

DJ Caled has an inspirational story about how a DJ, you know what I mean, who has some production skills, but how a DJ worked himself up to be one of the mainstays in pop culture. All right? That's what the first three or four episodes of Boba Fett were about. It was showing the grind because, you know, DJ Cald from New Orleans, then he went to Miami. he's terrorist squad, he's cash money, he's going back and forth between Cruz. You know what I mean?

That's what Bobafel was doing. He was working for the Empire. Then he was with the Tuscan Raiders. He's going back and forth between Cruz as he establishes his world where he is not the one that actually makes the hit. He supervises the hits. This season is becoming a DJ Khalid album.

where yeah it's the Boba Fed show but who's the real star who's the real star on for free Drake who's the real star on all I do is win T Payne or one of the mother motherfuckers who knows I even forgot at this point you know who's the other star that's what Boba Fed is doing Boba Fed is the anchor for all of this it's happening in the BobaFed's world but he's DJ Caleding all of this stuff to a degree. I'm not mad at it. However, it's not like I think Wild Thoughts is a DJ Calid song. It's just hard to think of it as one.

That's Rihanna and Bryson Tiller. And as defensive as I was the last episode, I've got to be real with you. This episode of Wonderment is on the Boba Fett compilation album, but he ain't singing the hook. He ain't rapping. I just got to keep it all the way real. Van, you want to know how I know you down bad. You want to know how I know Van is down bad.

I would never, ever compare my favorite Star Wars character to DJ Caller, bro. Like, dog, you really going out like that? I never said Boba Fett was my favorite Star Wars character. That's far, far, far, far from true. All right, but the way you've been, you way you been, you're in a couple episodes, you was like, he's DJ Callagher guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, he's DJ Cali, like, no, man. I've never in life said BobaFair is my favorite Star Wars. character.

That's the part you're getting on Goop on. We've talked about who my favorite character is, it's Obi-Wan Canobi. We've talked about that. We've got this on record. This is true.

Yeah, we've got this on record. So get out of here with that. What I'm saying is that, look, two episodes in the row of getting non-Bobba-centric stuff at best he's DJ Callad at this point. He can't be Diddy?

He can't be Diddy? Like, all up in the videos, but you know. I'm going to be honest with you. Diddy did too much raping. Diddy did too much rapid Like Boba Fitt hasn't spent a bar the last two weeks Diddy he could have been Diddy I thought about Diddy

But let's keep it out of way cancer Diddy rap way more than this And Diddy was on every song At least at least Diddy would come in there with How You live in Biggie Smalls Nah diddy was talking to shit Even on R&B records He talked a little bit of shit before the shit gets going

Yeah Boba is like I don't know man Boba's very behind the scenes Nick Quincy Jones was some shit like I give him DJ Call it because it's still his show but back in the day

you guys won't remember this go ahead and run it And tell you a story Okay Back in the day Quincy Jones had this album It was called Back on the Block Had Tevin Campbell on it

Had all of these people on it you know, you know, Tevin Campbell when he was first doing his thing, it was back on the block. It was Quincy Jones, early 90s. He was coming out. This album confused me because I was a kid, and when I saw somebody doing an album,

I thought they was going to be on that motherfucker singing or rapping or doing something like that. And my mother was like, no, it's a Quincy Jones album. He just did all the music. I'm like, that's stupid. I'm not about to sing my heart out and didn't let this nigga have it.

It's a Quincy Jones featuring Devin Campbell. My mother's like, is it the music just as important as the singing? And I'm like, well, not to me. You know, I was a kid. I didn't understand. So I wouldn't go that far. It's not like it's still his show. He was in this episode.

But I go, I'm talking too much. But I go to the DJ Cal the thing. That's what I'm saying. All right. So let's get this Thomas, the Tank Engine, back on track. I will say just in terms of this episode, I've just the feelings that I felt, just watching something,

the love that I have for Grogu, the heartbreak. Like, I didn't think that it was possible. I'd kill for him. A show to punch me in my chest this hard, multiple times. In terms of, like, Star Wars TV, where does this episode rank for you?

It's the best one I've ever seen. Woo! That's what I'm talking about. It's the best one I've ever seen. I'll tell you why. There's some great episodes of The Mandalorian. This episode, though, is what I always thought they were going to do with this stuff. This is the problem with some of the stuff that's happened, Star Wars, to me.

It's that what we wanted to see was the evolution of these characters based upon the connective tissue of them to the stuff that we had already seen, right? I wanted to see Lou Skywalker. What I always wanted was them to fill in the gaps of what my imagination always told me about Luke Skywalker. So I wanted to see Luke Skywalker as somebody's job. Jedi master recalling the same things that he had been through using those lessons to make new Jedi.

And as much as I enjoyed the last Jedi, my problem with it was they skipped all that and went right to Luke thought he had to kill his nephew. And there's a lot of stuff in between that I wanted to see from someone who I devoted so much of my childhood to. If I'm being real with you, seeing Skywalker there, which by the way, the de-aging was nearly perfect. It was way better than it was in the second season of the Mandalorian.

Like, do you remember the second season of Mandalorian? I was really harsh on the Luke reveal. And when I saw his face back then, I was just like, not perfect. And in this episode, I was just like, wow, this is eerie. Like, this is weird. It looks good. It looks good. And so to see him do that and see him so in command,

to see him so calm, to see the guy, in the last in the last scenes of Jedi like having realized his power in the force his place in the force the balance of the force not seeing Luke before

when he was little spidey Jonathan Kerma trying to figure out the force or after when he was like Mickey from fucking Rocky I love you,

Rocky, you know what I mean? You know what I mean when he was all curmudgingly and stuff like that but seeing that version of Luke deal with grow

who is embodying that wonder, that curiosity, that vulnerability that someone has when they're first learning about something, like about how the universe and how the world works, was amazing. Like when I say amazing, obviously I love Groo because he's cute and giving him a hug. But also seeing him put in that world where he's finally figuring out what he really is and learning, it was just fantastic. That really what I was, is what I've been missing. I got to be honest with you. Even the relationships in terms of like seeing Asoka standing next to Luke, you will have someone who was trained by Luke's father and then Luke's son. And when she's just like, I'm a friend of the family.

Or she's talking about you remind me so much of him. I'm like, oh, this is, this was kind of what they pitched us on with the whole Star Wars Disney Plus thing. Is you're going to see all of this connective tissue that you can't see within the span of movies. It's just too little time. I was like, oh shit, this is actually, I want Mando and Luke standing next to each other, or at least in the same vicinity. I want all of this to really see how long time has been for all of them. It was a joy, but we have a lot to talk about in terms of like the Luke and the grog of it all. You want to start at the top of the episode with Cobb Vant and we can just move through chronologically? Well, I mean, look, I always love a little bit of

Cobb is vanthiff. How did you enjoy Cobb Vant in this episode? Gunning down Spice Runners, this scene. What did you think? I love Cobb. I love, who doesn't love Cobb? Cob is a fucking badass, bro. Cobb is a badass.

When he told him to leave the spice and kick the drugs over, I was like, ooh, that's badass. Let me ask you question. What does spice do to you? What kind of high would you think that spice is? Ooh, I think it's like crack cocaine. You think spice is the crack of the galaxy?

I don't know, man. It would be the cocaine. The spice that he kicked over would be the cocaine. And I'm assuming that they cut the spice to like get more out of it. Because like the whole, the amount of spice that Cobb kicks over isn't enough to get that many people high. I would assume. Someone would have to like cut it and bag it. You know, baking.

You realize you can cut cocaine and not necessarily make crack, you know? I know that, but you would make more money. with crack. It's smaller. Here's the thing. I don't know that I've seen very many galactic crackheads.

And I don't know that I don't know that I've seen very many of them. Like I haven't seen anybody down there. And this is obviously very loosely that we're talking about addiction and all of these things. But let's keep it gangster. This is where I'm from. I haven't seen anybody like outside of a bar going, yo, lightsaber's five for ten.

You know what I'm saying? When did this turn into snowfall? Do you think there's like a problem? Push a T in the galaxy far, far away. Who's just moving spice? Like, yo, I got lightsabers over here, blue, green, purple, what you want? You feel me? But, but...

Life is it was going to break in like five minutes. Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is that, like, you know, there's, being that there's drugs in Star Wars, that denotes a seedy dark side of Star Wars that we haven't really ever... You didn't answer your own question. What do you think Spice is? Good question. I think Spice is more like Molly. Molly?

No. No. I think Spice is more like because there was a party thing. I think Spice is more like Molly, if you ask me. People ain't moving Molly like that. Like the pikes are moving weight.

They're moving weight, okay? Could be. Nah, it could be. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. This is gonna,

we're gonna get there fucking on our ass if we keep on this. Yeah, but I think introducing Cobb at this particular point in the show is also pretty good because this is the point where in the narrative arc of a series where everything is at a fever, fever pitch. And the one thing that they normally do here is inject an unknown entity and

unknown quantity. We know Cobb Vance very well. And also he's just the epitome of the old West hired gun, which I love. He's obviously the most old Westernie character, looking character that they have out there. And for when he comes down, quick draw on the gun. Quick draw both of them. Also, that shows a little nobility on that because wouldn't you want to be involved in the spice straight, if you have that much power in your, wouldn't you want to be getting a piece of the spice straight, Charles, if you were the sheriff or the marshal of a town where spice was running through your town, would you be somebody, ask yourself this question? Would you be someone who basically took a piece of the action? But would you stand up against the spice runners? I wouldn't do either.

Here's why. We saw Boba. Boba got too big for his britches. Wait a minute. You wouldn't do either. No. Tell me what you're going to do. You just like, all right, y'all mind your business. Because here, Boba fucked up earlier in the season because he thought he could like get a little action with the Pikes. And then they killed all of his people with, with Cobb. I agree with them. You don't want to be, you don't want to be running drugs.

First, it's like you take a piece of the action. And then somebody comes and wants to like get you in the middle of the night. You just want to kind of be like, hey, just stay out of this. You know what I mean? Stay out of this part of town. I don't want, I don't want anything. He's one thing I will say, why do he take the drugs and not the money? I think the drugs are more useful than the money.

He kicked over the drugs. I know. But what I'm saying is the drugs are more symbolic than just the money. Money is the byproduct of the drugs. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So if I'm in a situation like that, remember that happened to Tony Montana, he came back with the drugs and the money.

That's kind of, that's what kind of gee he was, you know what I'm saying? Came out with the dope and the money. You know what I'm saying? But to me, like, if I'm Cobb in that situation, I'm going to figure out how I can get a piece of the action. Use it to help people. That's my whole thing. That's what every single drug dealer or like every, like,

government official says when they're about to cut a deal with the drug dealers, you're like, I'm going to help my people. I'm going to be Robin Hood. And that shit never works out. Never works out. Well, I mean, it never works out because, let's face it, man. A speedboat is a speedboat. You know, you get the dope, and then you get on a speedboat, you know, because you think, you know, you got a little piece of the action.

You're using it. You're funneling it back into the hood, right? You're buying basketballs. You're building a bag. That's what every, it's funny to me, drug dealers think that you can sell dope to my mom and then build a basketball court and that evens out. Of course, I need the basketball court now because I have to, I don't like, my mom's not home. So I have to do something while I'm locked out of the house. You know what I'm saying?

Like while I'm locked out of the house, I got to go somewhere. So just give these little kids a basketball court, you know? You know, once you build a couple of basketball courts or you give it back to the people you're using the spice, you think to yourself, you know, I would like a new Naboo fighter, cruiser, cruise the galaxy, yachts on lakes, things like that. You didn't do it. Anyway, Groke was back. Um, Carl Vance is going to come back. I think I did the episode. It's going to be one of the biggest showdown scenes we've seen in a long time. Fantastic.

Very, very tense. Love the way it was executed. But let's talk about what everyone wants to talk about, which is the return of Grogu. I love Grogu. It's too much. It's too much. I forget, like, you forget how much you love Grogu until he's, like, on the screen. And it comes rushing back.

You're just like, oh, yes, this is why the entire world went in. sane for this little baby. Yeah. Like if I'm somewhere and I hear someone goes, go, Grogu a bitch. I'm gonna turn around

and be like, yo, who said that? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, come say it to my face. Grogu's back. He's, or Mando, he's greeted by R2D2.

And awaits at the school while Luke and Grogoo a train. Wait, can I say something about that greeting? Sure. Luke throughout the whole episode, he's like, the Mandalorian. I'm just like,

that sounds a little, that's almost sounds like he's calling him boy. Like he never even says like his full name. Why are you doing this with the whole name? Because I'm mad at Luke. I was so rude to Grogu. Like he was mean in this episode to Grogu in a way that like made me really mad. What you're talking about? He's this like, like, bro, I was just watching a tackle. I was just watching Attack of the Clones a couple of days ago. And Obi-Wan would tell

Anakin to shut up in front of his girl. Like, like, and how did that end? And like, And how did that fucking end? He's knowing that Anakin is mackle on this shit. He's like, yo, speak when you're spoken to. I'm like, yo, man, yo, I'm trying to get with this. Hey, bro. You see what I'm trying to do over here? Like, why are you talking to me like this?

You know? So the Jedi are very like, when you're a Jedi, you can't hug your mama. You think he cares? What is what is going to be like? Once again, then, how did that end up for the Jedi? Worked out pretty good except for the one guy. I got to be honest with you. Oh, it worked out pretty good.

All of them got murked. The one guy that Obi-Wan was like, yo, bitch, shut up. Get in the corner. Don't say shit. It's unspoken to end up killing all of them. They got murked. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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See, here's the goal of that. Like, it doesn't have to look perfect. It just has to be, it doesn't have to take you out of the scene. And I think when he appeared at the end of Mandalorian season two, most of the scene was him beating everybody down and getting in.

And it wasn't really until the end that you had to really get a look at his face when he takes his hood off. So even though it was janky, it didn't really affect the scene. This, we got a lot of close-up shots of Skywalker. And to me, the close-up shots worked even better than the shots of him

from a little further away. Whatever they had to work on from season two of Mandalorian up to now, they profited it because I thought CGI Lute looked great. So this is what I want to ask you about that. Knowing that the technology will still get better and like,

they're using Luke. That's just happening now. They're using him. He will be back. How far do you want them to take it? Like how far can they take it before it gets disrespectful or weird or creepy?

I don't think it gets weird or creepy to me if the characters are still alive. Okay. I'm more so talking about, like, I don't think you could do a Luke Skywalker movie like this. It'd be too much. That's too much. I think you could. You think that they could do a whole Luke Skywalker movie with this technology? Like, I think this worked because it was so, they used it sparingly.

I'm going to split the difference with what you're saying because I do understand what you're saying. I think Luke Skywalker could be in a whole movie. I don't think they could do maybe a whole movie. If you're talking about a whole, like, let's take Iron Man one where you're going to get Iron Man, you're going to get Tony Stark in, what, 85 to 90% of the scenes. Yeah.

I don't think that could work, but I think you could do Civil War where he's maybe only in 55 or maybe 60% of the scenes or I think you could do something like that, right? because I wasn't jarred or taken out of any of the stuff. And if you have a bunch of Jedi fight scenes and those, those things aren't going to be very, those things aren't going to be like, you know,

close-ups or anything. If he's flying in a starfighter, all of that stuff, you got to think about it in terms of the way Star Wars works. How much are you actually going to be in on Luke where it takes you out of it in a situation like that? And even when you were in on him here, it didn't.

The two most emotional scenes in this entire episode, you don't really see any faces, you just feel feelings. Yeah, right? So one is obviously when, when the Mandalorian is trying to decide it's a gut-wrenching scene, whether or not he's going to go up there

and give Grogu his gift and, you know, in a way, take him off of his path of a Jedi. And then at the end is when Grogu gets the ultimatum from Luke and he has to make his decision. Like, those three scenes don't really involve human faces. I'm sure they did some sort of modeling off Mark Hamill or whatever.

And Assoca's right there to give direction to the Mandalorian. But really, those three scenes don't involve human faces. The weight of the emotion is what's grounding you there. So I thought they did that perfectly. And I thought Skywalker in the scene with Grogu, I felt him. I felt his allegiance to the force and also his want to make sure that Grogu made the right decision. So can I pitch you on an idea after seeing this episode? I left this episode being like, I want the Jedi Temple TV show. Like that would be the Disney Plus show if you're like, which one do you want? I want Luke building the temple.

Ezra from Star Wars Rebels, who's a Jedi who is out there. So there's 12 students out there. I want to know everything about these 12 students. Who were they? How many of them got killed? And I don't even know if Luke needs to be in that much of it. because Luke could be the, hey, I'm the principal. I'm looking for new recruits.

And you could have like an Ezra or Asoka being the teachers being like, all right, we're going to train the kids back here. I want everything to know about that. I want to do a new drop for the Midnight Boy Show. And I want it to be a controversial take drop. Where I drop, where somebody drops a controversial take, we was like, yo, boom, Steve, give us some kind of do, do, do, or something like that.

All right. So this is a controversial take drop. Okay. I want that show if 7, 8, and 9 are officially wiped out as canon. That's a- I get in that. You know, that's rough. That's rough.

Like, I think that 7, 8, 9 should be officially wiped out as canon. I mean, this will never happen. This will never happen. This will never happen. never, I mean, I'm not saying it will never happen, but to me, the Jedi Temple show, Star Wars hamstrung themselves so much with 789. The Force Awakens, the last Jedi, last Jedi was amazing. But it was not, not, not, I'm not talking about devices.

I'm not talking about the fan base. The fan base is what the fan base is. It was limiting. It pushed them into a corner where it took a lot of stories off the chessboard. Right. It was, it was limiting. it took the whole world and pushed it through a pinhole, right? And then they tried to undo that with the next one and you just can't, right?

So it was, as much as we love The Last Jedi, if they were going to do that, that should have been the end of Star Wars. Like we're not doing any more stuff. Like we're like we, like we've made, it should have been the end of Star Wars or at the very least, maybe it would have worked at. the end of the Skywalker saga, which they then decided that they didn't really want to end. So my thing is the fact that all of this stuff is prequel stuff, and it's coming behind, it's coming with all these ideas and all of these new novel things that they're doing,

that we're getting to see all this stuff. It's cool. It's difficult looking at that version of Skywalker knowing that he's going to go on to try to kill his nephew, that he's really going to be the one that undoes his Jedi temple, that there are going to be no new Jedi, that this evil is building in the universe and they're not going to be any Jedi to fight it because Luke fucked it up. And to listen to Luke talk about, can you imagine Kenobi or Yoda or Quigong

gin actually rolling up and trying to kill a Panaman? All right. So can I do a counterpoint? Because I think the reason why I wouldn't erase them, even though they were very uneven, is that look at a character like Asoka. People hated Asoka. I remember when Assoca was around in the beginning. People hated that character. But the thing that Star Wars is actually very, very good at is painting in between the numbers, finding the seams where there's like, there's story here. And I do think, like, let's say you had a Jedi Temple TV show.

Some people would have watched the prequels and be like, what else would you tell? Like, why would we want to know more about the clone worlds? What are you going to tell in between this? Those movies were so bad. And then you get a really, really great show out of it. So why couldn't they do the same thing? even though you have those movies coming, then you're just like, all right,

we know what's coming, but we're going to give you a Luke show. And by the end of it, you're like, oh, I don't care. And I'm not saying Luke has to be in this entire show. I just care about the temple, because now I have all questions of like, if you go back and watch The Last Jedi,

the temple is actually big. It is like, I don't even think it's on the same planet. So I want to know how he gets from one mini hut to like this big expansive school with 12 Jedi children. Well, the Last Jedi is the Jedi. Temple, this is his Jedi Academy, those are two different places. Correct, correct. All right, Van, I want to ask you, I thought it was beautiful how this episode mirrored

Empire strikes back and when Luke first meets Yoda, but now it's reversed with older Luke trading Baby Yoda when they're doing the training montage, when he's carrying baby Yoda on his back, when he's basically imparting all of the wisdom that Yoda gave him. I'm like, yeah, this could have been cheesy and corny in the worst way, but it was just so heartwarming. I went back to watch Empire this morning and I'm like, this is amazing. Like, it's such a, they nailed the emotional beats of that scene. What did you think of all that? I just love the fact that once again, it just, everybody loves a full circle moment. Yeah. Flipping with Yoder on your back when he's giving you instruction, flipping with Grogu on

your back when you're trying to show Grogu the ways of the force. Luke seemed so in control. He seemed, there was no conflict in him, which we know it's coming back again. It was an amazing The training sequence was amazed. This goes down to me as one of the better training sequences in all of Star Wars history. Like it was just fantastic. It was fantastic. And also, once again, like you care about Grogu's development. You want Grogu to become the powerful force user that he is going to become or that you think he might become and that he may become.

Who knows? Who knows? He might choose Mandalorian. I kind of think that he will. But everything that just went on there, I could gush about it all. It was just pure gold. Calico walks in the room, she's like, what's up with you? I'm like, yo man, look at the TV.

She goes, oh my God. Because she didn't know that Grogu was back, baby. All right, Asoka, sharing screen time with Luke Skywalker. Looks at him and says he is so much like his father. Did you try Luke's face? What he said? He was like, he was like, girl, relax. My question to all four midnight boys.

Compliment or this? I think Assoca met it as a compliment Luke took it as a diss Because his face was like, hold up My dad committed genocide for lax Yeah Yeah, I think she was trying to be nice But there's no other way to take

Hey man, you remind me that dude He'll kill all that people that one time Like there's no other way to take that Steve compliment or dis I think it was a compliment I think she probably saw the best in him And the anchor of Asoka And Luke's relationship

and the anchor of her and Anakin's relationship was seeing the good in him and the heartbreak was seeing the bad and I think it was a compliment. Wait, can I be real, real, real, really quick about Asoka and Luke? The Jedi had the shortest term memory of any group in Star Wars of all time.

Asoka's like, no attachment, no attachment. That's not the Jedi way. I'm like, Asoka, of all of the characters who should know how messed up the Jedi are, it's you girl like they kicked your ass out you was like even when they asked you about you like no I'm cool

like I'm cool relax y'all do you okay Luke himself Luke is a hypocrite of the highest order this musty ass bitch is such a hypocrite because the empire strikes back I was mad he's so hot

Steve so upset Steve do you see how mad Charles is right now I'm going on mute Chuck get your shit my God. All right, so here's the thing. At the end of the episode, like Mando, Mando's the only one who cares about this baby boy.

Because Mando's like, here's a gift, just give it to him. Asoka's like, if you really, really love him, like you're gonna, don't make it any harder on him. Cool. Asoka gives the gifts to Luke. Luke is like the mom and the divorce with the ain't shit father.

He's like, all right, cool. Like, you can have this gift from your dad, but I just got you this green lightsaber. And then Luke is just like, pick one. It's either him or me. And I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up, Luke. I remember when yo ass was with Yoda and Empire Strikes back, and Yoda's like, hey, man, don't go save Han and Leah. You're going to mess everything up.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. I love him. I love him. Attachment. I got to do it. And he leaves.

So how are you looking at mini baby Yoda and be like, I know I did this as a kid, but no, you can't do that shit. Don't go back to your dad. Don't form attachments. Luke's whole journey. was forming attachments to every motherfucker who sniffed his way. All right? He almost doomed the whole galaxy

for two people. Fuck out of here. Luke, give that baby boy his armor and his fucking lightsaber. I'm pissed. First of all, that was amazing. But can I offer maybe a little bit of insight into it? Please, please, please.

By the time we get to meet Miser Skywalker in the last general. he's almost completely changed. True. So by the time we meet Miser Skywalker, Mickey Skywalker, I do it rock, because Skywalker loves you.

By the time we meet him in Last Jedi, he's totally changed, right? At this point, his sister needs him, the galaxy needs him, everybody needs him, and he couldn't give a fuck less. He's lost too much. He's seen too much.

Now, that's a long way from where we are now, right? He's much closer to the guy that you're talking about right now. But is it possible that he is trying to forge a different road ahead and be maybe a more traditional Jedi. And we're seeing that evolution in his character a little bit. Or you think that's me doing a little too much? No, I think these are the two characters in Star Wars who know the most that the Jedi's ways of teaching aren't as bulletproof as they think.

So here's the thing. You look at Asoka not letting Grogu see, not letting Mando see Grogu. I think what these people know both her and Luke is that there have been successful Jedi before. There have been Jedi who haven't turned to the dark side. There have been there have been Jedi who haven't been seduced. There have been Jedi who've used a Jedi way to do a major. and great things for the galaxy, and these were the people that stood by and did the right thing

amongst the Jedi. What happens is the scattering of the Jedi and the decimation of the Jedi have led to people really strained away, like even Luke, like Luke was trained, like way way later in life than most Jedi were, right? So I think that they're trying to jumpstart it again and do it the right way, right? And in that, she's just letting him know that's going to be hard and that's going to be, and with a character that can maybe be as powerful as Grogu, that's going to be hard, and that's going to be a difficult decision for him to have to make. It just is going to make everything more difficult for him. And they might know because it didn't go the right way with Skywalker, but either Skywalker. And Luke feels that he has to do this and she feels like she has

to do this in order to maybe stop some of the things that they've seen before and they've learned before. And does it make them hypocritical? Sure. Are they right? Who knows? You know what I mean? Like, they're definitely hypocrites.

Luke is like, like, look, stay here and finish your training. Luke's like, nah. Like, Luke's like, nah, man. Yoda brought Obi-Wan back in that scene, Obi-Wan's like, yo, dude, listen to Yoda, bro. Like, do not leave this planet. You're going to fuck shit up. And he's like, nah, I got to do a piece. Like I'm out.

And he's like the saddest scene. The reason I really got mad is like when when Mando flies off, there's that scene of like baby Yoda like reaching for him. And it immediately made me think of like the Fresh Prince episode where like Will's like when Will's dad leaves. He's like, why don't he love me, man? Why don't he want me? Like that was baby Yoda looking like, yo, why didn't Mando say hi to me, bro?

Yeah. Damn. That shit hurt. This is so much feeling, so much emotion. Steve, Steve, jump in right now. What did you think about this entire deal, Steve? I genuinely wanted to know,

probably hear more than ever what Grogu was actually thinking because they're clearly, like we see Asoka communicate with Grogu when we first meet her. We clearly see Luke communicating with him. Seeing the flashback to Order 66 and like all of the trauma that he's gone through,

even in the past 40 years, he's lived through an entire trilogy of Star Wars lore on his own. And now he's back with this master. He's training with all of these different rules. And now he's just got a curriculum in front of him. I want to know what he's thinking because he misses him a great deal. And I miss him too. It's great. Jesus Christ. But I will say when I was thinking about the episode of Baby Yoda, I started thinking Luke tells him, in effect, like, hey, if you choose the sky, like the Jedi way, if you choose Yoda's lightsaber,

you live so long that you may, after your training is done, you may never see Mando again. And I'm like, imagine telling that to a baby because he's lost the Jedi at the Jedi temple during Order 66. Like he lost all of them. He found a father. And now Luke is telling him,

yeah, you can't have that attachment. Like that's rough. Like that's two family members at Lucas, or at least two versions of families that are going to die by the time, maybe you're going to see. them again. I'm like, that's rough to tell him. I think that was for the audience. That's a very great point. I think that was for the

audience. I'll tell you why when we talk about Baby Yo's decision in a second. Let's go back to Tatoui real quick. Now we're back with Boba Fett. Yeah. It's fine. You go. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I'm just

joking, guys. Just joking. But Boba Fett has, he's got his whole team together now. He's got his whole squad. He's got Chupac. He's got the Mandalorian. He's got some muscle. He's got what he seems like he needs to go up against the Pike Syndicate. Mando pops in. Boba Fett has his whole team. He has Chupac in there, Fennick, you know, the cyborgs, all of them, going over this plan. Mando says, hey, I got extra muscle because Fennon is like,

we don't got enough. So he goes to see Cobb and he tries to get the townsfolk into this war because what we know from the teaser that happened, Cobb realizes that the pikes are about to take over this planet. Now, my question to you is, from the beginning of the season, we always thought that the Tuscan Raiders were going to be that muscle. The Tuscan Raiders were going to come back. Do we still think that's in play? Because by the end of this episode, it seems like the townsfolk are going to come and be

part of the army. But I'm like, did we really see the last of the Tuscan Raiders? When they all got killed by the Pikes, quote unquote, I was like, that's not how they should have gone out. I still feel like there's more of them out there. So I think it would be interesting if the Tuscan Raiders didn't come back and play a significant role.

And I'll tell you why. One is because I don't want to get too, too deep, but it felt like they were reconing the Tuscan Raiders a little bit to pay homage to indigenous peoples in different places, right?

Yeah. Because if you look at Star Wars in the past, and I recently did a rewatch. The Tuscan Raiders kidnapped Shemey's Skywalker, fucked over her. They were savages. They looked like monsters.

They felt like monsters, especially in the prequels. They felt like monsters. And in Clone Wars, Shemey's husband says, like they're mindless, monsters, whatever. And they're used as a plot point

to turn Anakin Skywalker bad. They didn't seem like they have very much, very much agency. They didn't seem like they had a place in this universe or anything like that, right? It would be interesting if they made that same decision to use them

in the same way in this show too. As if the slaughter of those people in some way was something that propelled Bobafet for it to do whatever or took a piece of him for whatever. And they were sort of just built them up to kill them like that again in order to make another character

have some sort of a motivation. After they've done as much as they have, quote, for lack of a better term, to humanize them, it would be interesting if their slaughter was just used for another plot device. And so I was thinking that in this show, what we would get somewhat would be the redemption

of the Tuscan Raiders and the humanization of them and to see them as 360, you know, characters with their own society and their own set of values. And it seems like that's what they were doing. but it seems like now, if we don't see them again, that they didn't succeed,

anybody else can jump in here. Like, am I wrong for feeling that way? I think story-wise, it's going to be weird if we don't get a bow on that story because the Tuskins were so important to Boba's journey. And if we just get these townsfolk being the army, it just doesn't land the same. I'm still kind of wondering why we spent so much time with the Tuskins

if we're not getting any of the payoff because it did seem in the background like Boba was doing this for the memory of the Tuskins. He was trying to bring some type of control to Tatooine. And if we don't see them, I feel like all of that time we spent with them

isn't as important or doesn't land as much. Yeah, I don't think we need, I don't think we'll get them like coming to the rescue. But I think we could get Boba going out and paying homage to them. at the end or something.

You know, he defeats the pike's successful, and he just goes out there to pay his respects. I don't know if we'll get like a full armate. It feels really tough to not want to revisit that aspect of Boba's story, especially come the end of this, when we have a lot of ground to cover for the sake of the Tuskins because the only person that is here to do right by them is Boba. Right.

Yeah. So, you know, but I was expecting. And I was wrong. I was expecting the Tuskans to be the foot soldiers because they also seem to be honest with you a lot more capable than the townsfolk. I don't want to not to shit on the townsfolk if it ends up being the townsfolk. But the Tuskins are warriors. How many townsfolk are there even? I was like an army. I was just like there's only a couple houses out out there. Right, right. In some way I do feel like we'll see the Tuskins again. I do. If we don't, it'll be one of that. We'll do a whole wrap up after we do. the, you know, the finale. But it'll be, it'll be a loose threat that I felt like they left a little bit open. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce and some very tasty limited time flavors. New Whole Foods,

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willing to protect its secrets at all costs. Legacy is a beautiful thing, but only if it survives. Dutton Ranch starring Colehouser, Kelly Riley, Annette Benning, and Ed Harris, now streaming on Paramount Plus. Cabain is one of my favorite characters in all of Star Wars lore. I like evil. Yeah, man.

He looks evil and cool. You know who he reminds me of? It's going to sound so stupid to you guys. He just never saw this movie. He reminds me of Billy Zane. character from Tales from the Crip Demon Night. Yeah!

Hell yeah! So Billy Sane... Great movie. Billy Zane plays this whacked out crazy horror cowboy that when he steps on the scene wearing his cowboy hat and like all of his shit,

but he's a demon. You just know some bad shit is about to happen. He's very funny and Capain is not. But still, though, just the look, evil cowboy, I always like. I'm also a big,

fan of the Dark Tower series where there are gunslingers everywhere. Oh, yeah. I love that whole thing, powerful, dark cowboy. If always like that. Evil cowboy comes to town. You just know he's about to mess shit up.

Yeah. Like, if you guys saw the harder day fall, when, when Lekeith Sansfield character is facing off against R.J. Silas character, you know he's just a dark, he's going to fuck him up. And did he shoot some on what, too?

I knew what was happening. It still broke my heart a little bit. It broke your heart. But I love him. Also, shout out to the stupidest fucking character in this whole fucking show to this point, which is the deputy. You dumb, fuck. You deserved everything that you got, dog.

You told you were, like, you came out. You tried to flex on the Mandalorian. Tell him to move your speeder. You move your starship. Put it out there in the flats. He looked at you like, you was fucking crazy. you almost got served in. Come back out.

Hey, bro, stay in your place. This is a showdown between us too. We've seen this on every single Western. He wants the opportunity to take down the bad guy. They have the quick draw. He gets clipped and then the deputy gets killed as well. You know why? Because you had no fucking business out there.

Do you think Cobb could have held his own if the deputy didn't mess everything up? No. You say no. I don't know if Cob would have won, but could he have held his own? Because he shot Cobb first because he knew that guy was going to be too slow.

Yeah. I would argue, I would argue Cobb's attention was on his deputy because he knew his deputy he was about to mess up. I think Bain would win. I'm just saying. He knew who the fast one was and it was Cobb,

so he went for him first. He winged Cobb and sent the deputy straight to hell. Yeah. I also will say like, this is two for two in my opinion in terms of like taking characters that are very distinct from the animated series,

like Asoka and Bain, and, like, transforming them for live action and them looking amazing. Like, Bain, they could have messed that up entirely. And he still had, like, he looks scary. The eyes look cool. Like, I believe that he was in the real world. They did an amazing job, whoever designed him.

I mean, that whole scene is special, really. You know, it's, like we said, it's very Western. Two dudes walk out. And you can see, like, Cadbane coming from the distance. And at first thought, you're like, who was that guy? I knew it was.

You're at attention. Like, who was that dude? And then as soon as you see, like, it's just him and his silhouette. You're like, oh, no, it's about to go down. And like the looks Timothy Olafan and him are exchanging the head tilts such as prime entertainment. It was incredible. That whole scene with Cabain and Cobb Vath is premier television. Previer television.

By the way, one of the rare characters that looks better in live action than they did even animated. Ooh. I thought he looked fantastic in live action, which he's basically still animated. But I thought he was fantastic. Fantastic in live action.

I think I would like to see more, you know, because we only got, I mean, we did get close ups, but it was really, short. I would like to see you know, next next week you know, him snarl, his snarl from the from the animated show, you know, because he was very

stern, this one. But I don't, I don't disagree. He looked really good compared to other stuff we see go from animated to live action. He looked really good. Now we have to get to one of the other. Really shocking things to go down in this

episode. Okay? I gotta be honest with you. all right we all had one love affair on this show and they bring in Grogu that's a that's a different love that we have for Grogoo we will love somebody in a different way you know what I'm saying? Poor out there's like we're like we're somebody on this show that we used to every way where is it where's my little

where's my little flip it's not even noon fan come on now I don't care I looked forward to seeing her Jomey you weren't outside when FlashDance came out you don't even know you know what I mean Jomey was not You weren't even outside where Flashdance came out. You know what I mean? Now it might look like Garza Flipp she could possibly be a little extra crispy. Oh, yeah.

Jeez. Whoa, what? What? Put a little respect on Garces' name. God damn. We don't know, but this scene was very, very, very shocking. Okay. She's extra crispy 12 piece up in there from.

KFC. Could be. Could be. So the syndicate, the Pikes syndicate shows up at her club. And it's just one of those scenes where you know something is off.

Oh, once they picked it up, I'm like, oh, man, it's not going to happen. But I know. You know something is off. It's one of those scenes. Remember that scene in Speed where Jeff Daniels is going

through the house and they're all looking for everything. Remember that? And then like, and all of a sudden, that look, I hate that fucking scene. And that look comes across

Jeff Daniels' face because he knows he is fucked. And he just, I hate that scene. And that's kind of what Garso was going through. Hey, you dropped it. Nah, boom, boom. Midnight Boys poll. Do we think that Garza Fipp is dead? No. My heart says no. I can't.

She's the only thing get me through through, uh. Queen Pen won't go out like that. No, can't. I mean, you wouldn't cast Jennifer Bills. to do all that and then die in episode six. It does disprove a bit of a theory of mine where I would assume that she was at least

like the behind the scenes mover and shake her with the pikes. I would have thought that that was going to be her role. That would be far more interesting. Clearly not. Can I be honest with you? I thought about that because a lot of people have been saying that, right? That maybe she's one of your big bads behind the scene.

If they wanted to disguise the fact, that she was in some way a big bad behind the scene. Having her survive a direct attack on her club would be supreme level storytelling misdirection. She comes out at the beginning of next episode, she's burnt or she's got like ash on her or something like that. They attacked me, whatever. And by the time of the end comes, it's, oh, I had to blow up my own club

to keep you guys off the same. sent that I was doing whatever, whatever. Not saying that that's going to happen, but just saying that there was a lot of people hit me up this morning going, hey, I really thought Garso was down with the Pikes. And I'm like, don't be so sure that she's not. Because that type of storytelling stuff is what these writers, these wily guys, sometimes try to do. If she is in fact dead, what does that mean?

They wasted a great character. Well, not a Vance point. That's really interesting, right? Maybe it's retaliation for Boba and Mando being in places they're not supposed to go. You know what I'm saying? But here's the thing. They didn't build her character up enough where, like, Boba would care. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, maybe. How long has Boba known this woman? It's a shot across the bow, clearly to Boba, but like, that's the thing. Like, the Pike's intention is either, okay, we send a message, are we sending a message to Garza? Or are we sending a message to Boba? Garza was paying tribute to Boba. So it's not so much that harming Garza would be something. that would necessarily move Boba.

But attacking a business that was under his protection without first getting an okay from him is a clear act of war no matter whether or not he likes Garcifflip or not. So three to one, I think Garstafflipp was gone. So you guys three, one, if, how about this? We'll make a bet about Garza Flipp

and we'll let the audience decide what should be on the line. If you guys win, you guys have to do something. If I win, I have to do something. We'll let the audience decide what is on the line. You guys come up with stuff that you guys would want to see for the Midnight Boys bet. Midnight Boys against Van. It's the Young Clan against Old Man Van.

They say Garst Flipp is alive. I say she's dead. You guys tell us what you want the stakes of the bet to be. We got until next week. Two more things to get to real quick. And this one is going to be, I think, the thing to do. dominate fandom Twitter for the next seven days. What is Grogel going to do?

Oh, man. Is this the LeBron decision? I'm taking my talents. I got to talk about something real quick. All right, real quick. The Midnight Boys are four people. I know the art came out. You saw me and Charles on there.

The Midnight Boys are four people. This is a midnight. No, no, no. I want to make sure that when I do something right now, I want to make sure that I talk about real quickly, Love the art, the artist, fantastic. The art for House of All, the are for the Midnight Boys. It's amazing.

It's a huge deal that we have. It's a huge deal. But I want to make sure that people know just how important Steve and Jomey are to this podcast, how important not only their contributions on the back end on social and production are, but also just how integral both Steve and Jomey have been to the Midnight Boys. They are, we are the Midnight Boys. Okay, just want to make sure that I say that, that that gets said. because these guys are, these guys have helped grow this podcast.

These guys have come up with ideas for this podcast. These guys have been integral contributors to this podcast. There is no Midnight Boys without some of Steve and Jomey Explader. We are the Midnight Boys. We. Exactly. Okay. And that's why I need all four Midnight Boys, all hands on deck for this conversation.

What is Grohl going to do? Can I tell you what I want him to do? Tell me. I want him to force you. choke Luke, say I'm leaving the summer. And they take the chain mail and take the Yoda's lightsaber and I'm out. Violence

only. Wait, can I ask this really, really quick before we make our decisions? Does anybody think like culturally it's a little messed up that Luke is like, here is an artifact from one of the last surviving members of your race? It's

mine, but if you want to stay here, you're going to have to pick this. And you can't pick the thing from your father. You are, you have, bro, I'm telling you, bro. I'm just asking how many yodas are there out there? The day you were born, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do.

You're just see what was going on in the world. Like the day you were born, that is so negative. I already know his chart's problematic. I'm really asking. That is so negative. If he's the last surviving member of this race, why would you not just give him the artifact from Yoda. It belongs to him.

You're talking Kilmonger right now, bro, from Black Panthers. Yeah, if Kilmonger was right. No, bro, look, look, he's saying if you can have this lightsaber if you're a Jedi. It's for Yoda. First of all, he said,

first of all, he has to explain why he's got a tiny little lightsaber. You know what I mean? So he's just like, I already, by the way, we don't even need to go out make you a lightsaber. This was Master Yoda's.

They recon that, by the way. This is Master Yoda's. this tiny little lightsaber. This represents the Jedi. He's not trying to emotionally hold him high since she's saying, if you are a Jedi, you get to have this. It's a little.

It's a little manipulative. It's very manipulative. Like it's, he's, Obi-Wan Kenobi, his master wasn't like, all right, I got your dad's lightsaber.

But if you want it, no, he's like, dog, that's your father. Here's the lightsaber. Take it. It's also skipping a few steps in the Jedi path where you're like,

okay, maybe you could make your own. first of all, Obi-Wan was old. He was not... Obi-Wan didn't have to have no time to tongue-rassel by the fucking lightsaber. Brogu's a baby. Grogu's a baby.

You think he's ready for a lightsaber? Absolutely not. That nigga 50. He's a baby. He's a baby. Look, I say more like a toddler. He can't even speak. But, but, so this is what I would say.

This is what I would say to all of that stuff. Mando came and brought him the chain mails. The chain mail's there. Luke is trying to. just make the decision as clear to Grogo as possible. He's trying to make the decision. This is, look, this is a lightsaber.

Represents the Jedi. Chainmail, represents the Mandalorian. You have to choose a way. Which way are you going to choose? It's not like he's like, yo, man, like, hey, bro, you could go be a bitch-ass Mandalorian if you want to be.

We'd be moving stuff around. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you know what I'd be cool? If Luke would have put on footage from like a new hope. I know like I never seen a Mandelori destroyed Death Star before you can go do what you want to do I'm saying

And then Grogu finds the tape of him getting his hand chopped off by his dad and then he's like Mm-hmm pass It don't matter don't matter Don't matter what happened to Don't matter what happened in rematch What happened in rematch? It's like I'll stick with the guy who didn't lose his dad

How about that? Ooh, Steve spicy Steve Well first of all How can you stick with that if you're Grogu Because you didn't lost everybody You know what I'm saying Gros should relate to that. Before I was born. Yeah. So Grogu should relate to that. So Luke is the man.

Also, Luke admits he's like, he's like, yeah, it's not really like I'm teaching him. I'm just like reminding him. So if we want to be real, like, Grogu is that man's mentor. He's like, dog, I got all the shit. I got Amnesia. I'm going to be honest with you. That's what's going to happen, right? Well, to me, Grosgo is going to decide to be a Mandalorian because we're going to get Grogu and Mandelioran. together again in season three of the Mandalorian. Yeah. But what Grogo's going to realize is,

fuck your lightsame, you know what I'm saying? I'm glad you're going to stay here. By the way, I sense something bad's going to happen at this place. It's just letting you know. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Like, I was glad that you want to stay here. And all of you got joys building the shit. I'm just like, you know, like I get this real bad feeling, man. Vibs just off, man. Yeah, something's off here. Something's off here.

I get some feeling something bad. But I'm going to go with my dad. I do think that it was important that he chose, though. Because what we haven't seen for Grogu, his character very much, is him having any agency himself, him having any opportunity to make his own decisions. Everybody's made, and, you know, Grogu's growing up, and everybody's made the best decision that they thought for the character.

This is where he needs to go. This way he needs to do. How do we know that, Grogo, be honest with you, how do we know that Grogu wanted to go train with Luke in the first place? If we're being real, like, Luke himself, I think feels bad. Like, I know I've been like shit talking Luke. It's all jokes. I think Luke is the best Jedi of all time. I argued that. I do think the thing that, like, speaks to Luke's character is he knows that Grogu's heart isn't in it. He says it. And that's why, like, Asok is like you're so much like your father because I do think

that Luke feels bad because he wants to, revive the Jedi order, but the first student that he has who's so powerful in the force obviously doesn't really want to do that. That's not where his heart lies. And that's actually what I like about Luke as a character is like, I think he's making Grogu choose

because he knows that like, hey, I don't want to force Grogu to be here long term if this isn't the path that he wants for himself. Who says Mandalorian? Who says Jedi? I'm going to be honest with you. It's going to be hard for me to turn down a lightsaber. I'm going to just be frank with your boy. If I was Grovesh, I'm taking the deadly weapon of force.

That's just me. I think ultimately, he was looking at a lightsaber, like a little nice toy. I think ultimately he will choose the armor. You know, we might have to steal a lightsaber later, but he will choose the armor and be with Mando in season three. I would choose a lightsaber personally. I'm trying to kill people with a hot laser sword. Right.

Steve. Mando gets full custody. Bronda Miami I don't think that's to Miami What back to Cleveland then Jedi's Miami he's going back to Icy Cleveland Yeah I see Cleveland okay I did the Jedi out of Miami yeah

That's fine he'll bring home Three more rings Chuck what I think is gonna happen I think he's going I think Yoda baby Yoda is gonna choose The chain mail he's gonna choose to be a Mandalorian But then our Luke because he's he's our guy He's the best Jedi of all time and be like hey You know what? Here's Yoda's Lightaber

Oh Oh, so you think that he's going to choose it. And because that also sets up, because we also, we know that ultimately, whether it's Grogu or the Mandalorian, that whoever is to rule Mandelor, whoever comes back to Mandelor, is probably going to be somebody who's force sensitive or understands the ways of the force, which some people argue that Mando already kind of does. but so maybe this is saying it up Grogu to be that sort of midpoint between the Jedi and the Mandalorians that can then lead all of Mandalore and someday maybe wilt the Dark Saber

which would be interesting because it's fucking 15 times bigger than him. Osoka says it in the episode where she's like sometimes the student, she says something to the fact like sometimes the student guides the master and I do think that like this might be the first chip

in Luke's armor in terms of like if Grogu picks a decision that's not so black and white isn't Mandalorian Jedi if he picks something in the middle that might be like hmm maybe maybe there's something here maybe I was being a little too rough

right right true I say he's going to pick the armor as well a little cute little chain mail armor I like a little kidy rock like an iced out oh little baby all right let's talk about let's talk about Bobfit okay um Do we need to talk about Boba Fett because the show doesn't even care about him anymore?

We're leading into the finale. We got a lot of questions coming into this finale. I like that, Jomey. So why do we, why do we need to talk about Boba Fett then? Because it's his show. Is it? You would have fooled me.

You would have fool me. It's Bobfett's show, guys. You guys are being jerks. Mando went back to back. Got the drink and you going back to back. Let's be. honest, Mando isn't in this episode all that much. He's in it for more longer than Boba Fett is.

Like, come on. Yeah. Okay, so I have thoughts. All right, so 60 seconds, that Boba Fett doesn't even really say anything while he's here. Now, before we even get to any of these points, what does this mean that Boba Fad is only in this show for 60 seconds

and is one of the greatest episodes of Star Wars TV ever? It means he's on a Pac-Watch. Book of Buba fraud, man. I said it last night. Oh, come on. God damn it. See, I knew that we will take this too far. Take a joke, man.

Take a joke. Why? We're kidding with you, bro. Come on, dog. I got to my God. So, look, let's talk about why. Seriously. Because as they're making these shows, right,

they're unaware of what the response to the book of Boba Fed is going to be on the internet. They don't know that people are going to be like, hey, blah, blah, blah. So there's not a decision where somebody decided to go in and save the show by inserting the Mandalorian and Grogo into it in episodes four or five. That's not the way this happened.

This was part of a pre-planned narrative that the showrunners and the writers of the show wanted to have. This is how they wanted things to be. I guess the question is, why? Was this, did they hit a wall in writing this show for Boba Fett? I'm really interested to know this. Did they hit a wall at where they could go?

Was there a situation to where there was either too much story for Boba Fett that they had to shrink down or too little story that they had to blow up? Or were they looking for ways to shortcut into the Mandalorian season three and give us Grogu and Mando together at episode one and not have to relitigate any of this stuff. Because to be honest with you, if episodes one and two of the Mandalorian were these two episodes,

no one would give a fuck. They were so good that if these were the two premier episodes of it, nobody would be like, hey, we needed more, want to get to what's going on with the Grohl this would have been fine if they were to just save these shows for episodes one and two of the Mandalorian. So I'm wondering for taking into consideration

that they don't know that people were up or down on what they had done. I guess I'm asking like, why? Walking away from this episode, I started to think about the book of Boeufet differently. And what I walked away with is you have to really, like, you have to remember how big the Mandalorian was for Disney Plus. That was the show that they launched with.

That is the one that got them a boatload of subscribers in the beginning. And because of its popularity, the popularity of Baby Yoda, I think it went from being one of the first Star Wars shows to come out, to being the axis on which the entire Star Wars universe really pivots now, at least on Disney Plus. So I think we have to think of Boba Fett differently. Instead of thinking of being like, oh, Boba Fett is launching his own mini-universe. We have to think about, oh,

Boba Fett is existing in the Mandalorians universe. Same thing with Asoka. So now with these two episodes, it was setting the table for years of Star Wars storytelling. Asoka, Luke is like, hey, will I ever see you again? And Asoka says something to the effect

of like, you know, maybe. Now we know where she's going off in her own series. And if she's, spoiler, I don't know if this is happening. But I'm assuming she's going to meet Ezra, the other Jedi from Rebels. Now they have a place to come back to. Now they have a Jedi temple.

They have a, like, all right, now we know how Luke is in that story and Mando's in that story. I guarantee you Boba Fett is going to have something to do with how Mando tries to take over his home world. I'm starting to think that they were thinking of this more so is like, yeah, Mando was the center and all of these stories are revolving around it. They just didn't really pitch us on that. What I'm saying is accurate.

Huh. Huh. Huh. Well, I think the more compelling story is how Boba got out of the Sarlake Pit and, you know, rejoined society, right? But you can't really bring the Mandalorian. You can't really bring Grogu. You can't do all that stuff if it's, if, if his whole story is set back in those times, right? So you supplement it with the, all right, I'm coming back to take over MosESpa.

The beginning of that story, like we've said, you know, for weeks has been kind of shaky, and it hasn't gotten good until we saw Mando, until we saw Luke and everybody. So it is interesting to see. I don't, like, we're not in those rooms. We don't know, right? But I don't think that they thought that the beginning of him taking, being the crime boss would be the most boring part of the whole show. So you guys know that I don't think it was the most boring part of the show. I think episode four I was dissatisfied with, right? But up to that, I had been loving the show.

Episode four I was dissatisfied with and then Mando comes in after that. I think they were doing, if the show was less compelling for myriad reasons, and that's fine. We talked about that. We were honest about that on the podcast. It's the way it goes sometimes, you know. But the decision to lead this so this heavy into. like now

our questions about this show have very little do very little to do with the Mandalorian with Bobifett if we're at if we're being honest we want to know

what Grogu's gonna do we want to know well we do what happened with Garcif Whip so there are there are things out there that tie to his story line a little bit more

but I think the meat of this story was in Mandalorian lore and even though I was defended the last episode so wholeheartedly that's still an interesting choice to me.

It's one thing to have one backdoor pilot in your season. It's another thing to have a backdoor pilot and then a follow-up episode to that. That's 25% of your season. Yeah, so it's, I really wonder what the thinking is here if you're trying to make Boba Fett an entity that can stand on his own. Now, if Boba Fett's going to become a secondary character

in the Mandalorian and we're never going to get another season of Boba Fet. Maybe that makes sense, but I'm wondering about that. So can I pitch you? Because Steve and Jomey were talking about this before we were on the air. If this had a different name,

if this was the Mandalorian, the Book of Boba Fett, or something to that effect, where we knew it was under the banner of the Mandalorian. Do you feel like people would have been less tough on it? Because we're like,

oh, the Mandalorian is in the name. Of course, this is telling his story. We're just going off on this side adventure for a little bit, but it's going to tie back to the main franchise. Do you think people would have been a little easier? I know, because they would have been waiting to see the Mandalorian, and you had to wait for four episodes to see him. So it's like the show in and of itself, I mean, if this show was more a generic Star Wars show, but it's not. It's about one guy.

It's the book of Boba Fett. You know what I mean? It's about, I mean, I'm just being for real. It's like, it's, I don't know that I've ever seen anything like this before. It's wild. Yeah. Like it's and I'm not look you guys We're getting great television so

Certainly we're not nitpicking here My job our job is to talk about the show though But in terms of what this does for Boba Fett's character There's a possibility That when it's all said and done That this show actually hurt Boba Fett's lore overall That it minimized him a little bit Or that it it

Because it's very difficult to expand upon a character That's that mysterious and give people what they want. And I thought they were doing a just fine job of that, but to veer away from it and like prop up your... I was going to say, you're shinier guy. It's literally your shiny your character.

Literally you're shining your character. It's just very interesting. Very interesting. All right. So this might be hot take territory before we get off this. I do think, depending upon what happens in the last episode,

we went into this. Bova Fet to me was still the more popular Mandalorian. it was like Boba Fett and then Mando by the end of this I don't know the Mandalorian might be more important in terms of just like the larger consciousness of like

when you think about the Mandalorian who do you think of Mando and Baby Yoda not Boba Fett at least a certain generation of Star Wars viewers because that's what the universe thinks of Boba Fett. It's true it's true. I think I only see these two episodes

as a possible detriment to Boba Fet only because we know that we only have one episode left. We've seen these types of things, Jomey, you're watching Clone Wars right now. You'll see this a couple of times where there will be arcs in multi-episode seasons of a show that will just veer off to explore different characters for two or three episodes.

We'll just dive off from the main plot and to see what these two episodes are going to be doing with these characters. Normally, that's fine if we know that we have a lot more real estate to play with with these characters. for right now we've been sort of dissatisfied with how Boba's been presented to us

and now at the penultimate episode we haven't seen him for two and now we were going to be like all right give us something that's going to be bringing all these great things together to know that we don't have that much kind of time

I kind of wish Boba would have reclaimed his time a bit from the Mandalorian because I thought it was integral for him too in this episode I'm gonna be honest with you I'm gonna be honest with you

Once I saw Baby Yoda. Sure. All bets are off. I get it. Once I saw Grogo, once I saw Grogo, literally, bro. I'm like, like, I wasn't thinking about anything.

It could have been the Rihanna show. And I'd have been in Joe, look at the little baby. You get a little forced baby. He's a little, you know what he is? He's a little forced baby. I love him so much.

My own dog was coming up to me. He was like, Dad, I need to go out. I need to go out. I'm like, shut up. Hold it. Hold it. Baby Yoda's, you guys know how much I love Bose, but he is my baby Yoda. He's my guy, the Mandalorian baby Yoda. If Baby Yoda or Mando shows up in Asoka, this is my final question. Like, let's say Asoka and or all of these shows, if they have a Mandalorian problem where Mandoor or Baby Yoda shows shows up, are we going to be pissed like, dog, y'all like y'all got to figure out how these shows stand on the road.

I don't think so. Yeah. See, you know, look, or maybe the Mandalorian is going to, remember when Iron Man 3 came out and everybody, well, I loved it. by the way. I was like, who's everybody? I loved it. I'm everybody. And then I was like, I was like, no more Iron Man movies.

We're just going to put Iron Man in every movie. You know what I mean? Like no more Iron Man movies. Just every movie has Iron Man in it. Civil War Iron Man, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Iron Man, Iron Man, Iron Man, Iron Man, Iron Man. You know what I mean? He's like, we're going to do it like that. Could the Mandalorian end up being Star Wars is Iron Man?

Absolutely. Sure. But the problem is, that's not going to work, bro. They need to have these other characters fucking developed enough to carry their own shows. Well, I don't think so. Here's the thing with Boba. We only see Boba in Return of the Jedi and Empire Strikes Back, right? He's not, like, super integral. Like, he's popular.

You know, people think he's cool. But he's not Asoka who has how many seasons of Clone War? lore and rebels and all that stuff, right? There's a different connection to that character than to Boba Fett. So I think no matter what happens in the Asoka show, you know, I don't know who's all in it. Like we assume the plot is her trying to find Ezra. People know Ezra.

There's going to be a lot of through lines through more canon for Asoka than there is for Boba Fett, I feel like. And so there's going to be, we're going to be more attached to the people in the that show than this show. And I think that works for her benefit. So if Mando shows up, we're going to be like, oh, they're taking away from Asoka because there's going to be so much going on through Clone Wars lore, through rebels' lore that we're going to be like, cool if Mando

shows up, takes over for a little bit, steps back, versus this, where we've only known Boba Fett from Return of the Jedi, Empire Strikes Back, and his appearances on Mando and this show, which compels to compare it to Asoka. So I think if we're just going for those two, I think Assoco will fare better if Mando does show up versus Boba Fed.

We'll see. All right, guys, look, that was episode six. I feel like I went through the emotional ringer on that episode. I did too. God, I loved it so much.

You know, guys, I guess, well, I got to say one thing before we go. Look, I love that. episode so much. It's just not a Boba Fett episode. It is. It's a DJ Caled Boba Fett episode. Like I said before, the DJ Callet. It's DJ Callet. Boba Fett's DJ Cali. Okay?

So episode six, this is track six of Boba Fett's album. All we do is crime. You know what I mean? This is Boba Fett's album, another one, in Most Espa. He is the

He's the DJ Callid. And look, Cal has some hits. Like, think about it. Boba came on just for 30 seconds, barely said anything. That's what he did. He's Boba Fed, DJ Callet.

We have the finale of this coming up next week, and we are going to be here to talk about it. No one knows anything that's going to happen. We're not sure what's going on with the Pikes of the Kid War. We're not sure what happened to Garza Fibb. We don't know what decision our young Grogu is going to make.

We have no fucking clue. We're loving it. We're loving it. Overall, let me just ask you guys real quick. How is the Book of Boba Fett as a show? How are you guys liking it? You mean Mandalorian season three?

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In ways it was much worse. Charles, take us out. The Midnight Boys have new artwork. Baby Yoda got that new drip. And I would like to say we got a pole one out for Krispy Krispy, Garsa Flip. You want to know why Luke reminded me of one of my worst sporting coaches ever. I used to wrestle, and I was very bad. Luke looks at Baby Yoda.

He's like, jump. And, like, baby Yoda does a little mini jump. He's like, no, use the fucking force. The jump. And I used to have a wrestling coach. I was so mediocre at wrestling. They gave me a nickname, not because I was good, but because, like, they wanted the other team to fear me and then watch me get my ass kick.

They call me Hurricane Holmes. And one day, they're like, all, we're going to fuck with him. So they, like, they cheer my name. They're like, Hurricane. Hurricane. And, like, the whole auditorium is looking like, who is this bad motherfucker? Who's about to run out? And like the whole team's looking at me like Hurricane Homes.

We've never heard of this kid. Who was this kid? And I'm about to run out. My coach grabs me by the arm. He's like, because of that fucking stunt, if you don't win this fucking match, don't bother come back. Just walk out of the gym. And I was the most scared.

I like, I turn into fucking LeBron. Like I was, I'm like, I'm going to kill this kid. I was like, I can't face this person. I was like, oh, that's Luke as a teacher. He's like, if you don't jump, just go. Leave this fucking planet. your blessing worth us and then you see like

Grogrew like all right I'll jump for you Luke is just like really harsh on him did you win the match yes so it worked because he put the fear of God in me

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Your coach brought the best out of you. Did you really think the motherfucker wasn't going to let you all back on the team? He was just trying to motherfucket you and it happened. I was scared of him. I love how your wrestling career was a Disney movie. Like, it's at the end of Lucas or some shit like that. That was amazing right there. Feels like every product claims Real Protein these days.

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