The Ringer-Verse - 'The Book Of Boba Fett' Mailbag and Predictions | House of Midnight

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Mal, Joanna, and Charles are back to answer your burning Star Wars questions in the lead-up to the season finale of 'The Book of Boba Fett' (03:55). They discuss and debate the most important Star Wars character right now, finale cameos, and much more. Hosts: Mallory Rubin, Joanna Robinson, and Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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then allow me to deliver it. I came all this way. He's right there. Roga misses you a great deal. If he sees you, it will only make things more difficult for him. Make sure he's protected. And welcome into the Ringerverse here on the Ringer podcast network. I'm Mallory Rubin, and it is my absolute pleasure to invite you not only to Luke's new school,

but also to join us on the Ringer's Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. Joining me today for a very special, the book of Boba Fett pre-finally bonus mailbag, fueled up on frog snacks and ready to dive into your questions. It is my House of Midnight co-hosts, some of my favorite foundlings, Joanna Robinson and Charles Holmes. Poo! Poo! You. Hello. No safer place, right? Then Luke's Jedi, Jedi school? Yes. Perhaps other than the Crips of Winterfell, etc. Friends, colleagues, co-host, listeners, from the desert comes a mailbag. As we mentioned on Friday's House of Our, we received so many wonderful questions after the

Book of Obafet Chapter 6 that we could not possibly whittle it down to just one segments. worth. So we are here today with a bonus episode, teaming up with Charles for a little mini house of midnight here, still riding as high as a force jumper after last week's thrilling installment, gearing up for what we hope is a scintillating and fulfilling finale. And speaking of the finale, quickly on the programming front before we dive in, the midnight boys, Van and Charles, peep-poo! We'll be with you, of course, on Wednesday with their instant reaction to Boba's seventh chapter. Joe and I will be with you on Friday for our finale, Deep Dive.

And as always, today, bear in mind our friendly neighborhood spoiler. Warning, today's podcast will feature plot details from the entire book of Boba Fett run to date, all of it, the whole season. And also, everything else from Star Wars. It's all fair game. It's all on the table. So proceed with caution, proceed with more caution than the Spice Runners did when they drew on Cobbant, okay?

Think it through. It's mailbag time. And of course it wouldn't be a ringer-verse mailbag without Jomi adeneron. Jomi, we came all this way. The mailbag's right there. Help us. If it was me, I would not stop. I would go get it.

And that's why we're here. We're getting into that bag. Let's go. We got so many questions. Literally the most questions we've ever gone on a prompt. So I just want to shout out the fans. We love you. Thank you for participating.

You're the reason we're doing this on a Monday, this bonus boba bag. Let's get into it. First question. We got this question the most. So I just want to shout out a couple of you guys. From Rob's Alter Ego, Michael Simons, Guys Johnson, Stefan Garo, Jessica Herman, Adam the Voyager, etc, etc, etc.

Who do you want or expect to see in the finale? Kira, Han, Chui, Boketan, Ewks, the Rancor, the Tuskins? So, yeah, how should we do this? We could all run through our list, but maybe it makes more sense to go character by character and quickly discuss as a group. Take them one by one. Should we start with Kira? Yeah.

Yes. I'm all in. Yes, Kura, yes. No, I don't think so. Yes. I don't think so. Yes. A debate right from the jump.

No spoilers are involved in the speculation here. I just feel like Kira's coming. Even if she's in like, even if she gets the post finale like sting a la mall in Solo, you know what I mean? Like, I think she's going to be there. If it's in a stinger, yes. But in the main story, I don't think so. There's not enough time. I don't think so.

I think that this feels most likely in terms of remaining possible, like, true surprise character appearances. I'll make the case quickly. Nothing's really changed about the thinking that we've applied to this possibility all season long, other than what Charles just said, which is like there's less time, right? But even that hasn't changed in the sense that it always felt like something that would come right at the end, right? Kira runs Crimson Dawn. The arrival of Crimson Dawn in this story would feel like, I think, totally harmonious. with the crime syndicate focus of the season.

And it would level up the stakes beyond that, like, are the Pikes really the big bads of the story question that we've all been asking all season, which would be very satisfying. It wouldn't just feel like a reveal or an appearance for the sake of it, right? It can't just be the Pikes. Come on. They're so boring. Right?

You know, there was a moment mere weeks ago, Joe, where, you know, you were throwing out that amazing theory about the potential. like linked origin of the bikes. Oh, I know. It's tried. It feels like a long time ago. I think also like I am perhaps wrongly putting a lot of stock into this, but I am putting a lot of stock into Cadbane's particular phrasing last episode in the way

he kept saying Tattoine belongs to the syndicate and that language choice. Like, yes, it is called the Pike Syndicate. I understand that. But he could have just set the bikes and he didn't. So could another syndicate be the one actually employing Cadbean's services? could some sort of conglomerate be operating? And then I think when we think about that and the Kira canon, she has an established canonical pension for thinking about the dynamics between and among

syndicates, both in terms of potential alliances and opportunities that might suit her and in terms of the chance to pit factions against each other and then capitalize on the chaos that ensues like in the syndicate war when she tried to iconically take out Paupey and Vader one of the all-time heat checks inside of Star Wars, right? So maybe she's not aligning with the pikes. Like I think I've been thinking about it that way. But maybe she's not in control or aligned with them. She could be using this as some sort of tactic to make a move and take them out.

There are a lot of different possibilities here. This goes hand in hand with the next name on the list, right? Hand and hand and hand. Like if Han Solo, if a D.H. Han Solo shows up. And listen, if you would ask me in the Pendleton episode of Mando season two, hey, is a D.H? I mean, people were talking about maybe Luke Skyer was going to show up.

but I said no way and I was wrong. So now I'm just never going to underestimate, like, what D.H human might show up on a Disney Plus Star Wars show. I choose to believe that despite Harrison Ford's open disdain for playing Hans Solo, listen, he showed up for Rise of Skywalker, you know, right when we thought he was definitely done. He's like, I'm going to- He's disdain for everything. That's part of his show.

Yeah, that's the charm. That's the charm of my man Ford. I think he's coming. I think Han's coming. And if Han's coming, I think Kira is definitely coming. Yeah. 100% Han is in it. 100%.

I'm putting all my chips in. Oh, and the Han is coming. You think they would bring Han, but not Kira? Yes. All right. Here's why I'm putting 100 on Han because if they do like de-aged Han, but it's just Kira there, it might be a little weird. We all be like, oh, we all know who the other actor who played Han in that movie,

none of us speak of was, but I think it's 100% Han. I've been reading around. I think that's it. I also think we're going to get some like, chewy on Chupac action. They have history. They have history.

But you think they would fight? Because wouldn't they essentially be on the same side of something? I might think it might be not a fight, but a grer, like, I see you know? But there are a lot of people inside of Boba's alliance who have like some sort of friction. in their past and have had to overcome that, right?

So that wouldn't necessarily be totally prohibitive. I think that Han feels like in some ways, maybe the only character appearance who could match what we just got in Chapter 6. Like, as excited as I would be to see Kira, I don't think that's, like, genuinely don't think that tops what we just saw. I think it would be satisfying, fulfilling. But Han is like one of the only cards they can play to try to keep that going after chapter six. And, you know, the history and connections that he has that he has to people who are

going to be involved in the finale, it extends well beyond the potential Kira. Emergence, obviously, Boba and Don have a lot of rich history, right? The huts, the pikes with everything that happened on the spice mines of Kessel, in general, the crime factions of Tatouine. That would be really interesting. I think that attempting to break out, though, the de-aged Harrison Ford feels like one of the, like, toughest things to be able to do in the entire world. I 100% agree with you. More than solving like indoor plumbing or refrigeration in the first place. Like Harrison Ford is,

Peak Harrison Ford is just one of the most beautiful people who has ever lived. And if you don't nail that, then people are just going to feel really let down. So if you're going to do it, you've got to crush it. That's a toughie with the, like what Charles said with the old and Aaron Rick, like, without hanging over, everything with the idea that if they do more in Lando, it's going to be Donald Glover. So it's super weird to like, let's D.H. Harrison Ford, but we're going to do Donald Glover as Lando.

And like, but the timeline of this like is so much later than when Solo was set, right? Totally. But like, I think if they did Lando right now, they would do Donald Glover. They wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't call Billy D. honestly. So, you know, it's just, it's, it's just a knock, another knock on Alden, which is unfair. Because I don't think that was his fault. He wasn't that bad. I didn't think it was that bad.

By the way, no, hashtag Make Solo 2 happen. Been saying it all since long. Limburg's not here to support me. Not that far. We're not going that far. I'm with you. I'm with you, Mal.

Thank you, Jomey. I will say re-watching solo the other day. And again, with that Kira, like taking over Crimson Dawn from Mall years after everything in that sequence, knowing that years prior Mall had run Shadow Collective and that she would have been learning about this kind of like syndicate building apparatus from him in ways good and bad.

what didn't work. How can I fix it? What did? How can I build on it? But also just inside of solo, like, not just the Crips and Dawn stuff, but the direct exposure to the Pikes, right? Being there at the Spice Mines, hearing Dredden Voss talk about, like, that fragile working rapport between the Pikes and Crimson Dawn. There's a lot there. I really, I really think we'll see her. And I think it's one of the only, like, remaining finale emergencies that can not only connect to Star Wars Pass, but actually feel like it lays new groundwork for like the kind of crime family framework they want to explore, right? Every time you mention Dryden Voss and Angel

gets his wings, by the way, I just love, I love that character, and I love that you bring him up, and I love Paul Benzies. Shouts to that yacht, man. That pleasure yacht. Living the good life. Incredible weapons. Love, love Dryden Voss. But the, we were talking this last episode about

the way in which Mando and Bubba Fed are trying to like wrap their arms around all like Star Wars properties. And I think bringing in Amelia as Kira is a way to wrap your arms around solo and be like, no, this is canon. You can't ignore it. It matters. Yeah. So on the Han front, what do you think of the theory that's out there that if Grogu

Grogue chooses the Baskar, and maybe we can just quickly account for the Luke Grogu finale possibility here and whether we think there's any chance of that. If you chooses the Baskar, Luke will call up Han and say, hey, I need you to give this kid a lift to. Tattoine and that's how Han could come up. We got a lot. That came up in a lot of mailbag submissions. What do you think of that? Yeah, people are theorizing about that.

Also, by the way, Ben Solo would be a small child at this point. He was born in 5ABI so he'd be like four years old. What if baby Grogo and baby Ben Solo are just kicking it on the falcon? Come on. I just, I honestly now hearing that, I just want to see Han dealing with a little baby Grogu. It'd be so funny. I just honestly, if you had two little toddlers on the,

on the Millennium Balkan. Him and Chewy are just like, what do we do? Oh, my God. It's like three men and a baby, but it's like, it's Han and two babies and Chewy. And hollow chess. I love it. He was there.

Is he the third guy? Is he three beyond the third one? Yeah. Oh, my God. Chewy and Han and two babies. I mean, like, yeah, just watching Han interact with BB. I mean, like, you know, he's, he's great with kids. I love on.

I love on in that rule from him. What I want to see Han do is like hunkered down in a sort of butch and Sundance two of us against the world shootout next to Cobbant that's what I would like to see like a little Cobbonhan There's too much sexiness for the screen

I don't know if Disney Plus can handle it you know Oh okay Luke and Grogo any chance you think we see him in the finale or no I think we don't but I've been wrong before but I think they save the actual Mando reunion with Grogu for

the Mandalorian TV show agree. I mean, I wait, it's the other episode being like, there's no way there's going to be a second minute no episode and then there was. So I'm just like, I don't know. Like, they keep doing shit that I'm like, they'll never do it. So I would not be surprised of like

Han Millennium Falcon Grog who just fly in little baby Grog who's like, I'm here to save the day. I wouldn't put it past Faloni at this point. I know. I, I consider it impossible right now. I agree that we have to see the eventual

Gros Dianian in Mando Season 3, but I just didn't think the last two episodes were possible and we got them. That was also a mailback question. We got a ton of a similar thing to the Han equation. If Grogu picks the Baskar, could Luke fly him to Tatooine? And they get there and there's a

melee unfolding and they join the ass one glove Luke again. I say no. I don't see it. Here's a main reason why I think that might not be the case. And I agree with you guys that like it seems foolish at this point to like like surely they wouldn't. Shouldn't roll anything out.

And they're like, yeah, we did. But Robert Rodriguez is directing the finale. And I feel like Faloni or Favro would want to direct the Grogo then reunion. You know what I mean? Shout out Roderiguez. Great point. He got a raw deal in terms of like how the season was structured.

That's why why Han is coming back because they're like, he's like, guys, guys, guys, I need something. Circle back on that one after the finale. Okay, Bo Catan. Yay or nay. Will we see Bo in the finale? No. I say nay. I agree.

I think we need the Bo, Mando, dark saber tension at a fever pitch for Mando season three. I guess if they still need more fighters, there could be a moment where Dinn reaches out and tries to recruit Bo and co in exchange for help on Mandelor, but there's just too much, too much between them with the dark saber,

they've got to save that, right? They have to. Bo and Co is a great little, like, turn of phrase, but also. The Baltimore accent really comes out when I say that. Bell and Co. Bo and Co. Boatow.

Go down to the ocean, huh? I'm going to see the O's and then visit with Boeco. Do you think, wait, wait, do you think Deng Jarn has ever been like, hey, Bo, what if I just like, oops, I trip? Like, why don't you trip me? And I followed, I dropped the Dark Safer. He was just, like, take it. But she's, she's thinking.

He's like, trip me. And then you've taken it off me, right? I don't know. There has to be a loophole. Oh, I love it. Ewox. This is a possibility that is just delighting the fan base. What say you?

It's not going to happen. I wish it would. I would love nothing more. Okay, they're probably better than the random assortment of humans that are going to fight, if we're going to be honest. The Ewarks are savages in the best way possible. But they need their trees. Like, they can't.

can't fight on a desert planet, right? They need their traps and their, all of that. This is coming from an interview that Tim and, you know, and gave where they said that they worked with Ewox, and I don't know if they were like making a joke or lying or talking about something that happens in Mando season three. That could be true. Who knows?

But like, I can't make the math work at this point to get everyone's favorite murder bears off and nor over to Tatween. You know what I mean? Maybe it's a bit. Could it, is there any chance it's Java confusion? Like, is that, it's a thought. It's a possible. Does it know the difference between the Jawa's in the U-W?

No, I think he does, but maybe it was just like a slip. I don't know. I mean, how many times have any of us said one character name instead of another on a pod? You know, sometimes it just happens. True, true. But I do like the idea that maybe he was joking. that would be, that would be kind of a fun troll. Not quite Paul Bettney, like, I couldn't wait to, you know, act with myself level trolling, but it's my favorite thing that's ever happened. I don't think the Ewax will show up, but I do, especially after everything that happened in Chapter 6 with the bombing at sanctuary, Max Rebo, as many have observed, suspiciously absent. If the Ewox are in the finale and the traitor Max Rebo, who we have to ask, well, is Ian on it, comes out of hiding, and everybody gets together for a jizz remix of Yubnub,

I will consider it a successful season of television. I think we, I think we decided to call it the Jiz cover Yubnub, you know what I mean? Just to make it sound even worse. Yes. Gotta go with the Jiz cover. Have to. The Rancor. 100%.

This is a lock. This is like the one lock, right? Boba is going to be riding the Rancor into battle. leading the charge leading the front? Yeah, this is happening. 100%. Do we feel like we will have gotten enough of their bonding? I mean, obviously the sequence in Chapter 3 was wonderful, beautiful, memorable.

But if the next time we see this delightful rancor is in the throes of battle, will that feel like the path we needed to travel together? I'll feel cheated. I want a Yellowstone moment of taming the horse of getting close to the rancor. Like, I wanted that so much because I'm like, the best Boba Fett stuff in this season was like, Boba Fett loves animals. He's just, he's the animal whisperer.

Why don't we get more of this? Remember him with saying goodbye to his bantha? That was, that's his best moment. Absolutely. What a good call. Also terrible, though. Like if the bond meant that much, don't send the bantha off alone.

What are you doing? I know he was like, go make babies. But still, what about like stay with me? Let's live our lives together. I love you. Get out of here, Nimeria. Things are about to get tough.

Get out of here. Oh, no. Yeah, you know, he said we begin today about his training. And maybe it was also like, we end today. That was the last time we saw it. Who knows? We begin today, we end today. See you.

See you in the finale. I look forward to him writing the bansa. Well, maybe the bantha too, but the rancor, that would be wonderful. Tuscans. This is a big one. 100%. Yeah. So they would only show up, it's not going to be his Tuscans.

This is, right. So when you say 100%, like that we will see Tuscans or that we will see, oh, the warrior, the kids. I don't know if it'll be his group. But I do think that maybe one of them escaped. Something will happen. Like, Bobicide is really, really just losing the battle. And then the Tuskins come to help save the day.

That's what my prediction. This is Charles' like earliest shot call on the Midnight Boys is what I remember. And then all those Tuskins died. But I think that, but I think that it's true because Cobb has, as we, as Mel and I discuss, like Cobb has an association with Tuskins, like in his episode. And Mando does. And Mando does. So, like, they could come with the people of free town, freeville, Fremont, yeah.

It felt like seeing the crate dragon skull and ribcage was there to remind us of what happened in that episode and the way that Mando and Cobb banded together with the Tuscans to actually take down the dragon. And so I think it feels inevitable that they will reach out to the Tuscans in some capacity. I think, I'm holding out hope that we see the warrior and the kid again. Maybe they'll be a part of another tribe. Maybe they will just somehow come in. to the story again, but we just need, we need to return to that part of the storyline.

It would be really bizarre if we just never revisited that part of Bobo's arc, that very central part of Boba's arc. I need Tuscan closure. I never thought I'd say that as a Star Wars fan, but I need the Tuscan closure. Is that involved like a nice kianti and like a pasta dish to get Tuscan closure? Well, I mean, I think that feeds into the next question that Jomey asked for us, but Jomi, I'm curious, of all those people that we mentioned, do you have one that you're most invested in or most want to see show up?

It would have to be Han. That would be really interesting to see Han back on screen after everything. I don't, yeah, I don't think we'll see Bogotaun or the Ewoks. Kira's interesting to tie back in a solo. So I'll have my eyes out for that. And we're definitely going to see the Rancor. And the Chuck's point, I don't know if we'll see the Tuskins, but like that's how you wrap this whole thing up because it started with them.

It should end with them, right? So we'll see if they either come in writing as the Calvary or Boba just goes back to the desert and, you know, pays his respects. We'll see. But Han is definitely the one I'm most interested in seeing. Steve, what do you think? Baby Ben and baby Grogu all day. Don't just be unbelievable. Do you think Baby Grogu would look at?

baby Ben and just like know the vibes are off. He's just like, oh yeah. I don't think he wants to play with him at all. He's like, you were not allowed to play with my special metal ball that I took from my dad's ship. He just has a little comb over that's like in black. We had so much to cover last week. We didn't get to spend the appropriate amount of time talking about how when Luke first

gave Groger the training remote. He just like pushed it around like a little soccer ball. That was seriously one of the cutest things I've ever seen in my life. What an angel. Did CGI Luke smile a little bit? Like he shuffled a little bit and I was just like, he has a heart. I'm like, you're a good teacher. You have a heart

somewhere in there, Luke. Fucking Luke, man. Very quickly before we move on, throwing out a couple other possibilities. Yeah. The twins. Will we see the Hutz return? And how about Basque? Any chance we get a Basque appearance? Like, we felt like Basque was coming

because they kept laying on the gas about Black or Santon and his prejudices against Dandotians. It's just, again, it just feels like there's not enough time to jam all this in here. But, you know, he could show up and they could not even make a...

Would it bother you if he showed up and they didn't make a big Cadbane moment out of it? I think that Basque is probably one of the few characters they could get by with, like, very limited screen time that still felt fun and fulfilling. Something that's a step above an Easter egg, but doesn't require necessarily like a full five to seven minute sequence. I mean, he also has a history with Cad Bain in addition to his obviously very long history

with Boba. So there's just a lot of blank timeline for him in the canon. I think that this would be cool and fun. I agree it's kind of just like a math equation at this point. How many characters can they cram in? I feel like the huts, though, the twins are really, really fair game. Like the way that they exit in Chapter 3 with their whole, you know, we don't want war bad for business and then not agree.

to the terms Boba set and just saying, we're leaving and suggest you do the same. Are they just waiting for an opportunity for the sides to take each other out? And then they'll come in an attempt to like reassert their authority or are they actually involved in some sort of shadow alliance? I don't know. But-

Kira and the twins, shadow alliance, maybe? The question we're going to have to ask ourselves at the end of the finale is. She's going to post a lots before. But yeah, could be. Are all of these doors that they're leading being open like, oh, we feel like those Tuskins that we did not see physically burn on a pyre have to be coming back or the huts have to be coming back or this and that or the other thing, are those doors they intentionally left open or is it somewhat shoddy story telling?

That's going to be the question at the end of it all. Do you know? And it's like the VESPA kids, right? Like they're going to be their, but like, have they done anything to make us care about those kids? No. You know, so that's what I'm worried about. Like, the, the hut twins are like, we're here, we're gone. And you're like, well, surely they're coming back.

And I'm like, well, yeah, but the show is. done some other stuff. I'm like, I don't know. We'll see. Just there to make us think about incest in Star Wars. And it worked. Because we are thinking about it. So. Well, I wasn't until you said it. Well, she is. This is why we have this podcast. Wait, really quick, because Mel, I'd get in trouble. I'd get in trouble on the Midnight Boys for posing this question. But here on the House of Ar, I won't because you guys are

thinking on a level that maybe my co-hoom. is it? Would it technically be spiritual ancestors if Asoka and Luke got together? That's a medium I thought when they're standing together. Charles, I'm actually really glad you asked this because I do feel compelled to note that we got numerous mailbag questions

from people that amounted to And I have to say, I'm as likely as as any viewer to think, are these characters fucking when like any scene occurs basically, but that did not occur to me. I'll be honest, that did not occur to me. And then, like, needy virgin Luke Skywalker is like, will I see you again? And I'm so, because like, maybe. The, the whole Luke virgin thing, we actually have a question coming later today about another character and possible

virginity. But Luke, space virgin Luke Skywalker inside of the primary canon, and then clear swordsman Luke Skywalker and Legends canon. Just a tough Legends to Disney Canon switch there. for our guy Luke. Really rough. So you think there's no way that Luke is spitting game at Asoka. She's just not entertaining it. I think, I won't say there's no way

he's thinking it or trying it, but I say there's no way that it happens. The relationship that Asoka and Anakin had, I just think that Asoka would view Luke as like a son of sorts. I just don't see it. Do you? Jomey looks really upset right now.

He's in pieces. He's in pieces. He's in pieces. Look, we're going to talk about it later, but I'm in my Clone Wars journey. And I see Asoka and Anakin getting along. Again, it's like father-daughter, you know? Yeah, or like brother-sister. So it's just, yeah.

And so for even like the thought of Asoka and Luke together, it just makes me sick on my inside, on my outside, everywhere. pose of the question, Jome. This is what the listeners want, want to know, okay? I'm not here for it. Yeah, I would go light speed and I have to see Osoka outside. She's catching a charge.

Easy. Easy. I wish them both a lot of joy and happiness, just not in that way and not with each other. A moment of the sequel, a rare moment of the sequel conversation that I really did enjoy is when we all agreed that Ben Solo was canonically a space virgin. It's like Ben Solo Space Virgin.

Never never seen nothing wrong with being a virgin in space or otherwise, I should say, to folks who might care at home. But yeah, Luke, oh boy. I mean, if the whole thing is no attachments, are they like going to, you know, get into an affair right now? That would be in line with the base hypocrisy that defines the Jedi Order. So I don't know. Maybe Charles is on to something. It's true. It's true.

Oh, boy. What's next, Jomey? Move it on from that conversation. That's 30 minutes on question one. That was always going to be the longest one. Inverted pyramid. We're good. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market.

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Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods Market. This one comes from B. Renton. Was Cadbane the one who killed the Tuskins? If so, is he going to throw it in Bobba's face? This is another, like, okay, so this is a thread that feels like it's definitely dangling, right? This idea of, like, we never really fully thought that the Nicto bikers had killed the Tuscans. And then Fetachian says that, like, you know, a whole thing where she's like, Tuscans, Nictos, I don't think so.

Like, all of that, right? And so it feels like it has to come up. But the question is, how is it going to come up in a way that's going to hurt or at least make Boba stumble? in the moment or something like that. If it's Cad Bain or if there's a theory that, Fennick herself was hired to kill them, stuff like that, I don't know, is Phil Lamar voicing one of the pike's

going to throw in his face? Like, I don't, I'm having trouble seeing a moment where that is a satisfying evolution of the story. However, it feels like it has to be in there. What do you guys think? Cad Bain, like, I know Cat is deadly, but it has to be something more than just him killing all of the Tuskis.

I don't know, like, yeah, I don't know emotionally what that would do in terms of like he just dropped into the story. They're going to have to at least show it for us to be like, oh, okay, yeah, he could do that. So maybe it's Fenwick, maybe someone else. I just don't see how Cad would do all of those Tuscans by himself. If it was Fenwick, I mean, the ice water in her veins. Phoenix sitting there next to Boba as he just sprays fire on top of the entire. And she's like, yeah, great. Like her girls.

She's like, yeah, go for it. Yes, they did this thing. Kill them all from above. They can barely even feel or hear or see you coming. That seems just and fair. I think, again, we are forced here to observe dismayingly that we have no idea what the timeline of all of this was still none. Like, we don't know how long ago that happened.

And I think in terms of the Cad Bain possibility, that's probably a pretty crucial variable. Would he have been working, like, if the slaughter of the Tuskins was more like five years ago or at least somewhere in the middle of that timeline, then would he have been working this job for that long? I think that's unlikely if it's much closer to present day. And again, this was a debate that I don't think we have been able to resolve definitively. I will say I thought in the most recent episode, Cobb Vance interaction with the Pikes and Mando's conversation with Cobb about the spice trade on Tatouine had like a vibe of the Pike emergence on Tatouine being a more recent thing. So considering Boba went to meet with the Pikes and the Pike train heist like sandwiched the slaughter, maybe that is evidence that this was.

all more recent and that could make CAD a possibility. But I don't know, is it CAD? Is it the Pikes? Is it Kira? Whoever it is, I do think that that connection has to surface in the finale and somebody putting that out there to Boba to try to unmoor him and destabilize him feels probable, I think. But as it's becoming a theme, stop me if you've heard this before, it's a question of how much time there is to do all that well. Oh, boy. Faster than a Vespa chase in downtown most espa. So faster than like four miles per hour.

What if it was, what if it was the Vespa kids? Sorry. The Ves. Come on. Come on. The Vescav kids just took off their training wheels. Testing out the new augmentations, you know? Oh, my God.

I hope the Vespa kids do catch some strays during the war. They just need to go. That's tough. That was dark. Boba can do better. Oh, my God. Can he is the question. Oh, poor Boba.

Boba. I mean, the man has been written out of his own show. I would like more for him. I can't wait for this next question because I have so many names for this. Okay. Let's get to it. Let's get to it. This question comes from somebody we've never heard from before at the Ring of Verse.

This is a complete stranger Tunday St. Matthew Daniel. I don't know who that is. I've never met this man before in my life. But, you know, we're glad to answer a question from a fan, so let's get to it. So we know, Disney hired the CGI artist YouTuber who fixed Luke's face in the Mando Season 2 finale. Sticking with that trend, let's imagine Favreau and co hired House of R to rename the Book of Boba series. What would your new show title be?

T.Ds is, mine is, once upon a time in tattooing a Star Wars story. Really good. Classic Western title. I want to hear Charles' impressive list. The fraud of Boba Thet, the mid-Dilorian. Oh, my God. What? Well, that's tough.

I'm sorry, Boba. I'm really sorry. Van is going to listen and kill me on Wednesday. He's going to kill me. He won't listen to this. The Mid Delorian.

Holy shit. Oh, 30 seconds ago, Charles, I feel bad for Boba. Poor Boba. Fast forward. The mid-delorian.

My bad guys. My bad. Inspired, honestly. I do think we were talking, I was talking to Van about this. I do think if this was just the book of Boba Fett, the Mandalorian, you know, colon, the book of Boba Fett,

it would have gone over a lot better. Like we would, once the Mando showed up, we would be like, oh, cool, he's in the title. That would be my actual real title if I was being nice. Yeah, I have been thinking a lot about how common place it is actually inside of Star Wars shows, especially Falloniverse shows, to feature like four episode arcs, right? that's basically broadly how Clone Wars and Rebels are structured.

Not always, but often. That's how much a bad batch is structured. If the four boba episodes had been, and other people have made this observation, like if the four boba episodes had been a boba arc inside of a show that we did not enter in with the expectation that it would be entirely around boba, both because of the name, but also, of course, the marketing, right, the way that the show was presented and that we we came into it, then the expectation

might have just been different. I love T.D.'s question. We got a few versions of this question. I love the name that he presents.

I think it's lyrical. I think it's lovely. However, I think that despite how much of this show has taken place on Tattoine since the two best

episodes largely, or at least in part, took place elsewhere, I'm not sure it works. I'm not sure it solves it. I think it almost presents the same problem in another way.

But to the second part of his title, suggestion, a Star Wars story, and the way that that's been affixed to the standalone films, right, Solo, Rogue One. How about, this is similar to what Charles is suggesting, like a Mandalorian story as a suffix at the end of these new shows, right? In the shows in the Mando timeline that are going to involve Mando and Grogo in some way, but not necessarily primarily or centrally focus on them.

I don't think this would work for all of the shows that are going to be sent in the Mandalorian timeline. Like, it would feel wrong to do Asoka show that way. She's just too major. She's just too central for her show to be positioned that way. But if the boba solo arc was ultimately going to be this contained, it might actually have really worked. And the title is so flexible because it's not just about the Dan and Grogo connections.

It could work as that anthology label that a lot of people when the Mandalorian was announced thought this show might be, right? Oh, the Mandalorian, what will that mean? We'll just be a show about any character who wears Mandalorian armor. And remember, when we got the boba stinger, that idea really surfaced again in, a very prevalent way, will Boba be season three of the Mandalorian? Will potential Bocahattan season and a Mandelor plot season be another season of the Mandalorian? So what about just Boba Fett, colon, a Mandalorian story? Bocahattan, colon, a Mandalorian story. One day, maybe Sotene and

Obi-1, a Mandalorian love and sex story. You know, we can just keep it going forever. I love this idea. I mean, I want to ask you guys, do you think that they need to get better in terms of like, you know, we're getting Andor, we're getting Asoka, we're getting all these shows, us us knowing if they had something that shows us what timeline this is. Because like, I'm going back, I'm watching Clone Wars again, I'm doing all the shit and I'm like, there's just

so many timelines. If they, to your point, had like a Mandalorian star, I'm like, all right, I know the chunk of time that this is happening versus like maybe a Landau or or, I don't know, an Andor story, you know? Well, part of it, so there's a lot of behind the scene stuff that we'll never fully be able to part because Lucasfilm is so secretive.

But, like, my understanding around this show, the Book of Boba Fed, is that it was sort of a stopgap because of Peter Pascal's availability in other projects that he was doing. And so I don't know at what point it became clear that they could use him so heavily in the back, if that was always the case, you know, or if his schedule and COVID and all his other stuff, you know, was a factor in all of this in terms of, you know, they don't, until, until the last minute, they will not tell us how many episodes there aren't a thing, right? So, like, some of this stuff could have been, oh, we'll do it at the beginning of Mando season three, but oh, no, we've got Pedro and we can put it here at the end of Boba.

The other thing is, because of Favro's fondness or secrecy, then we do have these wrong expectations of the show because they wouldn't show any footage from the last three episodes of the season. It was just the Boba stuff. So they call a book of Boba Fett. They won't talk about the stuff they have at the end because they want to delight and surprise us and that has its advantages.

But in a case like this where it really warps our entire understanding and expectation of what a show is going to be, you know, I have to wonder how we would have absorbed that Boba story at the beginning if we had known it was just like one part of a larger story they were telling this season.

Tough break for them. But the Middelorian... That's great. So good. Any other names? Name nominees. The best I could come up with, and it's not very good. It's just because my mind's set on Dune, but it's desert power.

I love it. It's great. Colon of Mandalorian story. Connect all stories that center on spice in some way. Perfect. All right. I want to thank TD for that question. We miss you, buddy.

Miss you. We miss you. Right. So we got these two questions. They're spit off questions. So we're going to spin them off into their own conversation from Sean Corbyn. He asks, do you want to see a Cobb Vance spinoff of some type? And then Kalin asks, what's the over under on us getting a Cadbane spinoff show?

Something like a Western bounty hunter type thing. Just going to clear out here for Joanna for a few minutes. I mean, like I was ready. I saw. I saw. I was ready for the coven. Van spinoffs spinoff, like, his first frame in season two, The Mandalorian. And I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm alone.

And, like, Cobb Vance is a character people really like. They like Tim in the role. People who love Just Fighter Deadwood are excited to see him just basically playing Space Raylan. Like, it's all great. And I think there is opportunity for something that feels like a little lighter if they wanted to, you know. But I don't think that the Cobbant that we've gotten to know is someone

who wants to leave his town unless like Freetown is completely decimated. He's not leaving that town. He considers himself the protector. And I don't really want to see another show just like stranded on Tatween. No offense to Tatween. So like if we could get Kavant unhooked from his hometown and he's just bopping through space like sitting in cantinas around the galaxies, you know, I would love that. And if Cadbane were his like, um, his foil in all of it, I think that would be a time to be had personally. I don't know. What do you guys think? Star Wars fans have too much dip on their chip. We're getting to the point where we're like, when we got Book of BobaFet, we like, all right,

it's BobaFet. That's, yeah, of course. No, yeah, it's going to be great. Solo. You're like, Han, Solo, of course. Hans, like, we want this thing. I'm like, dog, if they're struggling to get like those two characters, I'm like, maybe Cad, maybe Cobb are great as just like, all right, we're going to sprinkle a little bit of a little bit of spice on this. It's great that it's just going to kick in. Do I, do I want them to, like, if they ruined Cobb, I would be like, it'd be, it'd be a top of the bill. I just really enjoyed watching Jomi, like, half, half, like, half sleep do a little Salpe maneuver when he said sprinkles and spice on it. Yeah, I think a Cobb and cat are like, you sprinkle them on. It's like a nice, it's a nice

flavor bomb in your mouth, you know? I think you are completely right. However. An opportunity. It's an opportunity here to spin this off from the like Skywalker saga, which has just like a stranglehold on Star Wars. You could have something just completely unhooked from that and just make it a fun exploration of different worlds and different creatures and all this sort of stuff. I think there's real opportunity there to unhook it from Jedi lore.

We've been talking about whether or not we need Jedi in the Star Wars property. I've heard the Midnight Boy to be. I don't know, Mallory, what do you think? I mean, to the too much dip on the chip point, you know, I'll just say one of my favorite inventions was the scoop chip where you could get as much, as much dip as possible. That's the thing I loved, you know? It's like a bowl instead of a chip.

Just put as much dip on it as you can. This is all, this is a midnight point tangent. Those Tostito's dip are like, dip chips are the worst creation ever. Just structurally. put so much in them. They're like mini bowls. Are the regular? No, because they scratch your mouth.

It's just like, no, the dip is like, it needs to be a triangle because you can get a little bit. And you're like, all right, cool. The ratio is perfect. The point of a triangle that has never stabbed anybody in the mouth. I don't, I don't mind that. It doesn't if you're earning it. What about a Frito's scoop? With a rounded edge.

I don't like Fritos. They burn my tongue, which doesn't really align with what I just said about, like not minding the. So you're okay with the scoop scratching your tongue, but not the- Yeah, because, you know, I don't. grew up in Maryland, right? So I grew up eating steamed crabs and one of the, like, the great pleasures in life is when the, you're breaking open the crab and it cuts your fingers and the old bay goes into your bloodstream. And you're like, I've earned this bite. Right. So this is the equivalent. Is there lemon on this crab too? So you're getting like lemon juice. It's,

oh. Boy, it's been a lot. I've been a long time since I've had some steam crabs. It's delicious. It doesn't have to be pain. We can get you some steamed crabs, man. It doesn't have to be pain. We can go down to Redondo. They got the fish market at Redondo, man. We get you some crows. You've insulted the Baltimore. That sounds like a lovely way to spend the day, but not the same thing. Anyway, space justified I'm in.

I think Joe has a point. Just centering something in Freetown might feel limited. I mean, every time some new foe comes in, whoever replaces Deputy Scott comes out and just says, you can't park here. You got to go the flats. And that's the end of the episode. I don't know how narratively compelling that would be.

But seeing Cobb Vang face down against a lot of different foes and his charm and just basking in his aura, like, as we do in the light and heat of the binary suns, sign me up. Easy yes, I'm in. I actually weirdly think the Cad Bain question, that's a harder sell. And I say, you guys know, I fucking love Cad Bain. Like genuinely one of my favorite Star Wars characters. The thing here that feels tough to me, I mean, on the one hand, he has. just a really, really long existing animated canon. I don't think that precludes a live action spin-off, obviously, because we're getting an Asoka show, right? There's plenty of precedent for that. But I think the number of bounty hunter-specific properties that have recently launched would make this one tough right now.

I mean, the Mandalorian launched as a bounty-hunting show. Now it quickly evolved and morphed into this story of found family and love and a little gumdrop, right, who we adore, it became a different thing. But that was the origin of it. And even though Boba Fett became a crime family show in theory, and Boba says repeatedly,

I'm not about to enter it anymore. And it's not a bounty hunting show. We still associate Bobo so heavily with his bounty hunting days and the other bounty hunters in the story. I just wonder if it would feel a little same need to launch a Caddney spinoff. I think that's fair.

And I think, I think a solid compromise and all of this is like make Cobb Vant the second on someone else's show. Maybe. Yeah. I would love that.

Keep these guys in the mix. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think Mando, I think Cobb, I think Cadbane being like his buddies

and they're all taking care of Grogu together would be the perfect Cesar 3. Just perfect. I just want to watch them babysit Grogu. Oh, we're going to let Grogu like melt the cold blue heart of Cadbane.

He could do it. He could do it. The cat ban famous for hunting down four sensitive children on behalf of Darth Sidious. Do they look like grogoo? Oh my God. Incredible.

This is an amazing head cannon. Absolutely incredible. I love it. That said, if they did a catapain spit off, I would be there on day one. Delighted to be there, just to be clear. All right.

All right. What's next? So this question Oh man Oh boy Ring reverse contains adult content Ring reverse contains adult content You know

Thank you for that disclaimer And I think we're gonna You know It might get a little heated But that's why we're here Right There is no conversation without contention

So Let's get into it From Tom Robson Fuck Mary Kill Han Solo Cobb Vance or Obi-Wan Canobi The floor is yours

This question might tear us apart No I think it's a tough one Great Here's the deal I would love to invent time travel right now And go back in time And tell my younger self

That in the future There will be a fuck Mary Kill Star Wars game And I will kill Han Solo because that is what is happening here. Yes. Shit. I knew you were going to do this.

I knew it. Yes. I have to. This is egregious. Explaining yourself. If Han Solo couldn't even make it work with Princess Leia, I mean, he belongs solely in the F category, right? Because like, this isn't marriage material.

But he belongs there. He definitely belongs there. Of course he does. But, like, for me, if you're going to line up these options and he only fits in the, I can't. And then to me, it becomes a hard, a hard choice between whether I want to marry a space wizard hermit or, you know, a gunslinger who is, they're both too attached to desert planets. But I got, I'll marry, I'll marry Cobb. I'll be, I'll be the Mrs. Marshall. and have a tourt affair with Obi-1 Ganoby. That's my...

Oh, my God. These are my choices, and I will stand firm by them. Unbelievable. Okay. All right. Okay. When you disagree on a fuck very kill,

doesn't that just mean... It's just great. Better options for you, you know? This is great. Here's my answer. Take me instead and let these three beautiful men live their lives and make their way. across the galaxy for Torrid Escapade after Torrid Escapade, okay?

I don't want to be responsible for depriving the galaxy of any of them. However, if for the sake of the exercise, I must, at the risk of introducing a fracture into the ringer of our family. He's the most vulnerable. I understand. I'm ready for this. Obviously, I will be picking Han for the fuck category. This is easy. It is with a sincere pleasure that I make this selection.

And obviously, just to be clear, this is Harrison Ford Era, Han. Okay. I will be marrying Obi-1 Canobi. I love that you said Harrison Ford Era because that spans decades. Exactly. It's just like, not you, Alden. Just specifically not you Alden. That's no shade at Alden and nothing against him.

I just think you cannot pass on the opportunity to pick Harrison Ford's Han Solo. a fuck-married kill exercise. I will be marrying Obi-Wan Kenobi. We will not only be living our lives together as he and the Duchess Sotene should have, but in so doing, we will be dealing a death knell, a fatal blow to the Jedi's misguided attachment rhetoric.

Okay? Love this for you. And I'm genuinely sad. I mean, it pains me to say I will be killing Cobbamp. I hate to do it. I hate to do it. I would love to pick him for either of the other scenarios, but pitted against two of my genuine all of my greatest loves.

He stood no chance. You're welcome to try. If you could get a shot in to Cobbant, you're welcome to try. You know, he's just walking out there in his, like, I was on the sneakers app for the latest, like, hype beast drop fit, you know, drip king instead of wearing any protective armor. That neckerchief won't save you, my guy. But that's part of it, Joe.

He was right. He was, he's got a pure heart. He was distracted and. concerned about that fucking dumb-ass deputy scott left himself vulnerable it's it's admirable and moving to see the way he cares about the people of mos palgo of freetown and so i think cobb would want me to make this choice he would want to protect han and obi won he would want to protect your ability to fuck han yeah okay that's exactly right charles all right so this might mal might look at me differently forevermore for my picks.

But safe space. I would have coitus with Han. Of course. You don't marry Han because he belongs to the streets. Okay? That's just him. And I know that. Okay.

It's one night to remember and I will remember it finally for the rest of my life. But we saw what happened with Leah. If you cannot make it work with Leah. Yeah. But what a night. But what a night? I'll remember it forever. Now, you marry Cobb because Cobb is the beauty, but he's loyal.

he's loyal to that town. I say this with no pleasure. But kill is the only way Obi-Wan Canobi, because here's the thing, if you have sex with Obi-Wan Canobi, he's going to cry every time. He's like,

attachments. And I'm literally like, I can't, I can't do this. I cannot do this. I like a vulnerable lover. So that sounds great. Marriage.

I'm sorry, Obi-Wan. I'm truly sorry. This is just... Like, you can barely, like, you can barely, like, manage your relationship with Anakin. if you can't even get along with your bro like that, you killed, I was rewatching, like, Revenge of the Sith.

Obi-Walking, Obi-Ombi almost killed this, man. Like, I'm just like, if that's how you do the love of your life, Anakin, what chance do I? Committed to the task at hand, sees it through. No, no, don't see it through with me. I love this. It's the ultimate type. He agreed with two of our stronger choices.

Like, I think your most important move, Malice, your night to remember with. Han Solo. Mine is my happily ever after with Cobb Van. It's true. Charles is like the Bruce pick. Yeah. Jomey.

You can call me, you can call me Kylo Ren, because I'm killing Han Solo. Yes. Off the rap. Off the rip. Off the rip. Whoa. What is happening? You know, I'm renting a, I'm renting a hotel.

Me and Cobb Van, if you're going to put down some. some rolls petals. Yes. Love it for you. You know, like some candles. Love this for you. Put on some soday. And in Obi-Wan,

we're going to have a nice wedding, bring the whole family together. You know what I'm saying? I mean, look, rat tails all around. I'm two seasons into the Clone Wars, and my only takeaway is that Satide and Obi-Wan should be together.

Yeah, that is the correct takeaway. But only after Obi-Wan has to look at Satina be like, hey, listen, before we were exclusive, I was clapping Ventrish cheeks for years. Obi-O-Wan and Ventures have, like, the best chemistry in Star Wars. It's amazing. It's incredible. You have a lot of fun scenes ahead of you. Stay tuned. I'm excited.

Obi-Wan non-canonical space version. Listen, Hans Solo live in his car if we're really thinking about it. He does. With his dog. What's the next question, Jome? I won't have this Han slander. It's a camper van. Okay.

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this episode shows even more willingness to pull from the Clone Wars. What are the chances we'll get Tem as live action wrecks, particularly in the Asoka show? I just want to take this opportunity to clear the record briefly. A couple people on Twitter asked me if I had not seen Rebel. I know we're talking about Clomores. If I had not seen Rebels because of something I asked Mal, because I was like, hey, for folks I haven't seen Rebels, like, who's Sabine? I have seen Rebels. I've seen Co-hosting. I've seen Clone Wars.

I don't know them chapter and verse the way that Mel does, but I have seen. T-N-Up a prompt. Like a professional. It was just in case people were watching who were listening to Had. So anyway, I have seen animated Star Wars. And I love the idea of live action Rex. I have very, very strong attachments to Rex. And I think it would be a wasted opportunity to just have Templay Boba only when you've got all these other options out there.

What do you guys say? I think this is like a lot. probably. I mean, I think we will see Rex in live action. He and Asoka have an incredible bond and incredible history. If he's not in her show, I will be shocked and frankly, I think it would be weird. I mean, he's in, obviously, Rebels, he's already in his older years. You know, I guess that's one thing to mention is that because he's a clone, he's an accelerated ager. So he's born in 32 BBI. this timeline were in 9ABY. He'd be in his 80s in the Asoka show

based on his accelerated aging. But you do a little makeup, a little effects work to get 10 there. That's easy. Everyone's complained has been that Tem is too old to play Poba. They're like, well, what about Rex? What if we put a snowy beard on him? I would love Tem in a snowy beard with the little Rex punch

that he has in Revels. That'd be amazing. Wonderful. Yeah. I think this would be great. And his post-endor canon is wide open. This might be our connection to Ewox. If this is what Tim was talking about when he said, he worked with Ewox.

We know canonically that Rex was at the Battle of Endor. Interesting. Interesting. Ooh. Could be. Could be. Love it. Love it.

This question comes from Boo. I didn't know the little girl from Monsters Inc. Listen to the show. Big fan. Big fan. Is Grogu going to be the most important character for Star Wars going forward? The Justice Department got to, like, rework their child labor laws because, like, they're going to work Grogu to death. They're like, he is.

Yeah. He's 50. Yeah, man. Grogu ain't going nowhere. All right? They got him in the minds. They're like, hey, you carry in our whole franchise. I got him in the line.

Speaking of, you mentioned force jumping at the top of the episode, Mal. I thought the force jumping was so cute and so much better than the like I forget what it's called the Force Looney tuning that they do in the prequels when they just like go really fast. It looks so goofy.

But Force jumping looks adorable, especially when Grogu is doing it. So, yeah. Yeah, I think this isn't easy yes, right? Yes. I mean, he was only gone for like four episodes and we were like, you know, four to five episodes and we're like,

excuse me, what is this? Star Wars content. We're not used to this. Yeah, I think, I think the incredible attachment the audience has to grow goo and the way that he could just honestly do anything, just drool. That time he vomited cookies. And we were all like, that's amazing. That time he like almost committed genocide on a species by eating a bunch of frog eggs,

great, adorable, love it. Do more. Do more. Fend him better. It wouldn't have been an issue, you know? Growing boy. He's a snacks. needs his calories.

50, Mallory. Just needs some of those blue macaroons. Yeah, this is an easy ass. He's already the most beloved character, the most cherished, the one that we are yearning for, and the one that we are most invested in. And there's so much story ahead of him. He also connects to basically every key element of current Star Wars,

which is pretty handy in terms of thinking about this question. The Jedi and the Force. Din and the Mandalorians. Mandelora more broadly and everything that could possibly unfold there. Osoka. Luke. Yoda, Mofgideon, very regrettably, potentially Palpatine, right? And then not even potentially, clearly Palpatine in terms of the cloning plot and their desire to, as established with Dr. Pershing,

and the lab that they discovered and everything else, they want his blood, right? They're studying him. That's clearly going to be the storyline that resurfaces again in the future, which is dismaying. We just have so much to learn about his past. And there's so much opportunity in terms of how he can be deployed across the story in the future. And we know he's not in the sequel trilogy. So why? Like, we still don't know the answer to that. And we have so many steps along the way to find out.

There are so many different directions that they could go. And we just love him. So I don't know who else could even really be in the consideration set other than him for most important character in Star Wars right now. He's got it. Boba. Buba, not Boba. Is that what you're saying? Correct.

Next question comes from Cassie. Do you think we'll ever get a Star Wars story where someone actively tries to rebuild the Jedi religion as one that allows for attachment? That rule has been proven to be detrimental and impractical. Don't you think Osco would want to do that? Will Grogu be the one to do it? I have heard whispers on the wind,

but this is indeed something Lucasfilm is interested in. Just more broadly rebuilding the Jedi Order. A Star Wars story where someone actually tries to rebuild the Jedi religion as one that allows for attention. I mean, but we should be clear. You could fill many football stadiums with all the ideas that Lucasfilm has thought they wanted to do and then didn't end up doing, right? So that doesn't mean it's going to happen. What do you think about Assoca and Grogo's possibilities? Well, I just love, I mean, I don't know if this is related to that,

but I do love that idea that we were kicking around two weeks ago about, like, Grogu and Dindjaran, like, creating their own thing that is a blend of the Mando ideology and the Jedi ideology that, you know, is less harsh from both sides. I don't know. What do you think, Charles? I definitely want to see any Jedi content that is, like, disconnected from the Skywalker's. Whether that is in the future, whether that is in the past,

it needs to happen asap. I think that they would probably do that in the movies more so. It seems like they're very much in the Mandalorian seat right now. So yeah, I would love a future like Jedi story. I mean, isn't that kind of what they were predicting with Ray, but that movie was received so poorly that they were just like, yeah, never mind. Do you think we'll ever just get, I don't know, in 10 years when everything cools off?

They're like, all right, Ray's back and she's rebuilding the Jedi and we're going to do this again. I do think that they're not ready to let go of Ray. I mean, like, I don't think Luceon wants to let go of anyone. And, like, there's a ton of people. I mean, similar to the way, like, I actually really like the character of Ray, but, like, similar to, you know, the way that prequel's fans grew up into adults who are, like, pod racing is wizard. You know what I mean? Like, there's going to be the generation of kids who grew up on Ray who are like, what do you, what I've never even heard of Mary Sue. I don't want to talk about that.

You know what I mean? And they'll be, like, really into Ray content, you know. So I do think you're right that it's just sort of like abiding their time kind of idea. I love the question and the heart of it, I think, does feel like something that Favreone and Faloni would be well suited for exploring because, as we've all discussed at length, this season and beyond, so much of what they're interested in is not only crafting new story, but updating maybe certain existing aspects of the lore. To the Asoka and Grogu possibilities in particular, I think that Asoka tearing down that

idea would be meaningful, but I'm not sure that I want her to actually formally rebuild the Jedi order, given that her decision to leave the Jedi order to walk away and, like, forge this independent path is such a foundational and meaningful part of her arc. I think that she can live her life and make her impact on the story outside of that order and rebuilt her otherwise, right, and that actually sticking to that and reaffirming that is pretty important. I also just think that the timeline doesn't allow for that possibility because, you know, one of the things that I was not, one of the many things I was not a fan of in Rise of Skywalker and this particular thing I hope will be retconned or explained away one day is basically killing off Asoka by having her be

one of the voices that Ray hears on Exigal. If she's not around and the Jedi order has not been rebuilt by that point in time, I don't know that that possibility is really viable. Grogu, if he decided that he, over his many years, wanted to apply what he had learned, perhaps even after leaving Luke's school, going back to Dinn, maybe winning the Dark Sabre, maybe leading Mandelor, forging his own connections, his own identity, and applying everything that he learned from the Jedi, everything that he's learned from Dinn, everything that he's learned from all spheres of his life, and rebuilding the order in that image. I think that would be lovely. But I think the most likely candidate to me is Ezra when he comes back into the story,

because what is his future when he reenters? And I think we all assume that that will, you know, from Asoka in Mando, season two, where is Grand Admiral Thrawn? The Thrawn-Ezra linked ending of rebels. We're all assuming that Ezra will enter the story again in Asoka. And does that mean we get live-action rebels after that? Does Ezra get his own show?

Who knows? But his relationship to the Jedi with Canaan as his teacher outside of the traditional Jedi order, right? all this like this this side group that built their own thing anyway already i think that he'd be really well equipped he's a very passionate character his most fateful decisions stem from love attachment the desire to protect and help sometimes rage i think he'd be a great candidate for this to reshape the jedi order when he returns because he knows its values but also its flaws and limitations so he'd be my pick i'm really excited to see who they cast as azara like and

And I would like to, you know, I think that's a great point to his character. I would like to see how he works with whoever the new performer is. I'm excited because they've done a great job so far. You know what you mean? Like, I know that there was some friction around this idea of Rosario Dawson taking the role when, like, there's so much fondness for Ashley X-Dexing and stuff like that. But I think Rosario has been so good in this part. And I'm excited to see who else from the animated canon, they sort of fill out.

we have a question coming about that later. Should we just move that one up and hit it here? Because it's directly related. I will say, by the way, the Ezra thing, obviously the same point I made about the Rebuilt Order

not existing in the sequel trilogy would apply if Ezra comes back around 9 or 10 ABI, but we don't, he's not like confirmed possibly to be dead inside of the story. So there's more road for him. Jomey,

let's hit that related one since Joe Segwayed us very organically into that from Ian. Perfect. From Ian. Locke. Seeing us how Cad Bain looked amazing, which animated character

would you love to see next and live action? Ian's vote is Zeb. I mean, Hara is definitely coming, but that won't be shocking to us because we've seen Twilocks before, so like that's,

we know what... Wait, which show is Hara gonna be? I think she has, I mean, sorry, by definitely I mean, I feel very certain in my heart and that she's coming. It's not been announced, but I would say probably

in the Asoka show, right? She's in my top 30, so I'm very excited. Yeah. Are we all going to just pick all the rebels characters? That's my list. It's just the rebels characters. Ezra and Hera are like one, two. Well, I know he's technically dead, but kind of not dead, but kind of dead, but whatever.

I would be really curious to see what Bendu would look like in live action. We got a question. We actually got a question about live action Bendu. Like a really fucking cool puppet. That would be amazing. I mean, I love Bendo and Rebels. Font of wisdom. Give me, give me like Morla the never-ending story.

You know what I mean? Like, give me a really cool puppet. And I would be thrilled. So that would be great. Bendu just, you know, he's got, he's got bars. Some great Bendoot quotes. It would be a delight to see Bendo in live action. All of the Rebels characters are my picks.

You know, Sabine is confirmed. Sabine is cast already for the Asoka show. We know we're getting Sabine. That's definitive. Obviously, she would have been a top contender here if we didn't know that. I think Thron has got to be in the consideration set, and that's one that falls into like heavily, heavily rumored, but not confirmed. So I think we can assume that that is happening, but until it is definitive and confirmed, I will deem it eligible for prompts such as this.

And I really hope that Lars Mikkelson, who voices him in Rebels, is the live action portrayer. I think that would be awesome. But Ezra, Sarah, I mean, Chopper had a moment in Rogue One, but let's get Chopper the full-time live-action role that he deserves, one of the all-time best droids in Star Wars history. We already had Zeb out here in the question. Canaan, I think that even though that wouldn't work for the, you know, look, we said spoilers for all of Star Wars at the top,

but spoiler. You know, Canaan can't enter in the current timeline here, but that doesn't mean he can't enter in flashbacks. or story set elsewhere in the timeline still. I mean, that would be a delight. Let's get Freddy out here, right? A Force Ghost in Assoca, maybe? Freddy is like, put me in, coach.

It's all he wants. Force Ghost would be, I would sob. Force Ghost, Canaan. I'd fucking sob. What about, and like, in Force Ghosts, Bed do? Let's just put them together, right? Glowing. And we already were talking about Ezra before this question,

but obviously Ezra has to be like at the top of the list here, right, for our picks. for animated characters centering live action. Has to be. What I understood Ian's prompt to mean is something that you think looks great in animation, but you would worry what it would look like in live action.

You know what I mean? I think people were worried about Cad Bain looking great in live action. I think Zeb is another great question mark of like how are you going to make that look great? Hera and Canaan's kid because he looked janky. Jason looked a little janky. Just get Jason in here. Yeah, with the green hair.

They're going to have to finesse that a little bit. Do you ever just think about the time that Charles said the middle or? It's incredible. All right. For the next question, just got to let you guys know, remind you, Ring averse contains adult content. Disclaimer up front. Let's get to it.

This question comes from Michelle Roman. Is Dingerian? a virgin a virgin. 100% yes. 100% yes. 100% yes. But not everyone

in the covert is because like the armor definitely has smashed. Right? Helmet on but she is smashed. Do you know what you mean?

Like the way they like didn't remember the character played by Julia Jones and I think it's a sanctuary right? Is that what that episode is called? Right? Whereas like Din was like losing his mind.

at like the slightest interest from a female of the species. So it's interesting because my interpretation, I would use that same character to maybe argue the opposite case, which is like I think that the vibes were so so palpable that I feel sure did nose his way around. But I think it just would have to be, you know, in and out, traveling across the galaxy. everything we say right now is just like loaded within you and do the looks I got when I said

in and out then Steve dropped hard no into the slack and everyone stopped speaking like we just this is this is a cart you just got to bleep it out Steve I think of in and out in and out you know but it's how they only just with the best gar spear was just the tip and for din It's just that's a philosophy But it's helmet on, right? Like that's a thing. Yes, this is a thing. So I think the thing that he was feeling with O'Mara there

and in that sanctuary episode was the pull of a totally radically different kind of life. She wanted him to actually stay. She wanted him to put down roots. She wanted him and Grogo then known to us only as Baby Yoda to spend their lives making Spachka in the krillponds. And that's not that's not din, right?

He's got to go galavan across the galaxy. But not at all. How did he respond? How did he respond to the idea that the Jedi don't allow for attachment? He was appalled. And he keeps talking about their creed and how it is built around the very opposite of that, which of course is not exactly right. But he thinks it is.

He's a foundling who has found connection and meaning and new relationships. There are plenty of backwater scuggles and my guy needs to find a little stress relief. Helmand on. Yes, but who needs a ceiling mirror then? Here's what I feel very, very strongly about that if Dynjaran were like having any kind of relations, he would have like a full blown Mandalorian wife and children. Like that that is who Dynarra is. Exactly.

Yes. Like he's not. of in and out, one and done, I gotta go. Guys, guys, guys. Like, come on. I have to ask you because I might have misread the episode. I haven't watched this episode in so long. But there's that episode with the kind of not all there,

Twilic in the Mandalorian. Yeah, it's implied that they, it's like heavily implied that they had some type of relationship when like Mando was a little bit like, rough around the edges and he looks at her. May it felt like, is this your kid? Yeah. Yeah.

It's, and there's even the joke about, you know, like if I recall, there's even the joke about whether he leaves his helmet on always, right? Like, it is, I think it's almost canon that they've had sex. So that was what I was going to get to next. He bone tongs is what you're saying. He did. Exactly.

There's a quote, asking him about the job on Alzik three. And then Mando says, I did what I had to do. And she goes, oh, but you liked it. And I'm just like, I was like, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, a little bit of. I'm going to need this answered by like Pedro Pescal himself. I need him to weigh it.

Our next question comes from Charlie. What if in the same way that Asoka took corrupted khyber crystals to make her new lightsabers. Grogu does become the new Jedi slash Mandalorian and remakes the Dark Saber to break the curse and unite Mandelor. I love this idea. I sort of shove this in here. I, because I've been trying to reconcile, like, it seems right that Grogu should have the Dark Sabre. But the Dark Sabre is way too cumbersome for a little Grogu. And I was like, of course.

Take the Kaibur, make a cute little little saber, little Dark Saber. I love this idea. Because I don't think it should be Dingerin, who I think it should be Grogu. weapon. But I think as it exists right now, it is too to bulky for tiny Grogu. What do you guys think? Wait, can we, I'm confused on the whole, like, Grogu is a baby and like Luke tells him something to the effect of like, by the time you're done with your trading, like all these people that you love are

going to be dead. So I'm assuming that Grogu, I don't know if you will be able to like purify a chiber crystal anytime soon. Like that might be just, one notch too much because it seems like he still has baby intellect. It doesn't have to happen soon. Yeah, I think this could happen in the future, but I also would, I would be reluctant to put much stock into Luke's read on any of this. Because I think,

honestly, even, but that's partially just a knock on Luke, right? But I think even Luke would be the first to say, he doesn't really know much about Grobu's past. Now, obviously,

in general, the Yoda Grogu species is sort of like a canonical mystery. We have a lot to learn. We know what Yoda's lifespan was, and so we can make certain deductions. But we don't really know where Grogu was in terms of his ability and prowess when he was trained before Order 66. But we do know that he was far enough along

that Luke can say to Asoka in Chapter 6. It's like, I'm not really teaching him. He's just relearning. So he has enough skill. And also, like, we saw him, he didn't just use the force to elevate, to levitate the mud horn. Like, he kept the fire at bay when Gideon's troops were attacking. He force healed.

He's advanced. And some of it is maybe just instinct. I think that, like, my question here is less even about his ability or when it could happen and more about the nature of the dark saber. Because, you know, we know that we know a lot about chiber crystals. We know that they're in force-atune so they can be changed. We know that they can be bled by a dark side user pouring all. of that dark side energy into it, we know that they can be purified, like Asoka, the way that she purified, the bled crystals, and the Six Brothers Blade, when she reforged her sabers. But what is

the nature of the crystal inside of the Dark Sabres? That would be my question here. Like, I think there's a thing that we just don't know yet about whether there's something actually about the nature of the blade that is genuine or whether it's just like not to go all Tyrion Lannister on us here, but like the stories that have sprung up around it. And I think, that that actually is like maybe more powerful to change the legacy around the blade without actually changing the blade at all. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I really like that idea. But it does feel like this blade has a sort of one ring element to it because of the weight, right? That weight question that as far as I know isn't true of any other saber, that idea

of like, you know, like Finn can pick up a saber and use it. You know what I mean? Even if he's not a force user, you can use it as a weapon. This blade is unique in general. The color, like every, numerous the shape, numerous things about it are unique. We have a lot to learn about it still. Yeah. So I just, I do think that there is something, you know, ring of powery about it.

Yeah. I think that honestly, there are any number of possibilities there that would be incredible. I think, you know what, though, on the dark saber front, one other interesting thing is, obviously it was forged by Tarvisla and it has been in the possession of force users before. I mean, Maul had it for a spell. But it's often been in the possession of non-force users. So that's kind of compelling to think about in terms of like how much there is to discover maybe if it's in the possession of a force user in front of us for a long time in the canon. I also just, I can't kind of shake the fact that Palpatine didn't take it when he beat Maul in a duel. Like he didn't take it. He didn't want it. Why?

I think that really supports the idea that there's something actually wrong with it. Fucking Palpatine. God. Our last question comes from Luke. And Luke wants to know, rank your top five sword slash saber fighters and be your five gunsleaguers in the entire Star Wars universe. I'm going to say two things really quickly. There are many, many incredible lightsaber fights. in Star Wars canon,

but there are two top fights, as far as I'm concerned. And it's dual the fates in the fandom menace, and it's Obi-1 versus Maul in the animated. So obviously, Maul and Obi-1 and Quigon are on my list. Those are three out of my five. And I'm putting Mace Window in there,

who invented his own kind of fighting, and then Ventress, because I'm a big fan. So that's my five. Okay. What about your gun slingers? I'm going to give it to Mix Mayfield, who's the Imperial sharpshooter, good old Bill Burr. Fenneig Shand, ever heard of her? Cad Bain, ever heard of him?

Cobbant, ever heard of him? And last of my list, and I feel very strongly about this, is Padma Amadallah, who actually, someone did a breakdown of, like, shots fired, shots made, and she's got, like, right at the top making shots. Thanks. I stand by it. Charles? No, I love it. I love it. Once again,

Mal you said this could change it anytime. Anytime. Off the top of the dome. Number five, we got Mall because what can be said about just a tricky, tricky motherfucker? Like, he just does not die.

So he's number five. We got Mace, Mace Windu, and number four. Obi-Wan is coming in at number three. Darth Vader over Anakin is coming in at number two. And then we have Luke at number one.

Wow. No, no, no. I've seen this face before. This is, this is Mallory's, Mallory's fucking competitive face, even though we're not competing right now, Mallory. This is the thing. To do this fucking ice.

Why don't have the time to debate it? It's just, it's just her fucking face. It's going to drive me, drive me bad. She wants to tell you that you're wrong. And you shouldn't have gotten out of bed this morning with your bad days. No, I think that to me, this is, this kind of ranking, it reminds me of like a baseball argument where you can sort of find any sabermetric stat

to make your case. Like I think there are any number of arguments you could make here, including wrong ones. I mean, we don't have the time, but I would love to hear your Luke argument. I think this is what we should return to like in full at some point in the future. It's not Luke's fault that like, it's not Luke's fault that they didn't know how to do fight choreo

in the 70s. We're just saying Luke. Luke with, what, under a year of training, going up against Darth Vader, going up against the emperor, surviving. Yeah, we got to put a pin in this. We're going to be here all day. We're going to be here all day. Who are your gunslingers?

All right. I support you, Charles. We have the fraud himself at number five, Boba. We have his dad that he can never live up to, Django at number four. Then we have the Real Mandalorian at number three. We have CAD at number two. and my number one pick is just for luck because once again,

like Maul, he just doesn't die, my man, Han. We have a really similar gunslinger lists. Okay, here's mine.

This is hard. I look forward to carving out a couple hours to discuss this at length in the future when we will potentially all have different top fives. It's on the table.

Anakin Skywalker ever heard of them. I think that it's worth acknowledging that there's, this list almost definition has to favor characters who we've seen. fight a lot more, you know? It's just so much more action,

so many more chances to prove themselves. I have Asoka coming in next. The Malacor duel and Twilight of the Apprentice going toe to toe with Vader in his like peak. I mean, very few other characters could do that.

The mall duel, iconic, the Sixth Brother duel. You know, who could do it at? Who could do it? Luke, and he wasn't even at his peak. Well, when he went up head to head against Vader, he lost a hand and then cried. It's just plus plus.

Charles, have you ever met Mallory? It's like when she's like this. And then when he went head against Palpatine, he needed Vader to throw Palpatine. Oh yeah, you wasted a midnight court. Just throwing that out there.

I'm just throwing it out there. You know, I love Luke. All I'm saying is Asoka, Obi-Wan, and Anakin let Mall run around and put numbers on their head for years. That is just one, one. Which brings me to my next pick, Obi-Wan.

tactical defensive strategy beat Anakin Skywalker ever heard of him he has the high ground beat grievous beat mall multiple times the mall pointed did he die did he die yes he did on tattooing how long did it take obi won to kill that man at least the ones i picked when they died they die seconds when ball beat quigon obi one caught mall in half now should he have said is he actually dead or is he riding a trash compactor to a secret planet to become a spider, maybe he should have checked. Yeah. But in terms of the actual lightsaber work, it's not really a question. I'm going to throw out Canaan. I think that his style and also the fact that we, I think we have to give him credit for a life of isolation and maintaining that level of skill. And the ability to like keep his lightsaber secret

and then literally assemble it in a moment of need and win is like astonishing. And then, of course, Mace Window. The Tardikovsky Clone Wars may not be primary canon, but if you want to see the most incredible lightsaber work you've ever seen, check out Mace Windo and that. It is definitionally iconic. And, you know, B Django. Honorable mention here for Ventress, of course.

I think we all agree there. The fact that Canaan is on your list is the wildest shit I've never heard. It's more of like, and I would flip the order there. he would be last and he's there really as like a sign of affection and appreciation for the circumstances that he had to overcome. But the dip of the Lapa tutelage and the specific style that Canaan deployed, I think there's something to it, you know? Credit for the form three there.

Gunslingers. Cadbane, obviously. Mando. I mean, the things that we've seen him do, he's got to be on the list. Han Solo. Django Fett, fuck that guy, but also like the template for the entire clone army. I mean, let's give credit where it's due. And Fennick, Fennick Shand.

That's the gunslinger list for me. I forgot about Fennick. She should be in the top five team. She's on my list. Just a man. I'm striking Boba for my list and I'm putting Fennick in. Good. That's my final list.

I think that's right. The gunslinger list is like easier to agree on or get close to agreeing on. The lightsaber one is very fun to debate. It really is. We'll do it more in the future. Steve Jomey, any lightsaber or gunslinger nominees you want to throw out there before your app? No, I had a list and I threw it all away as soon as I saw Charles put Luke number one. That is one of the most bizarre.

All right. You try to go against Dark Vader and the emperor with a couple years of training. Bro, the whole general order couldn't do. All right. Number one? Who else? Obi-Wan couldn't do it? Obi-Wan could not do it.

bro, bro, we've seen Obi-Wan put up the numbers. Luke doesn't have the numbers. Luke doesn't have the statistics. Luke doesn't have the hard. The numbers, yes. We've seen only one let all of his friends die. He's not outside like that. Charles, he's not outside like that.

You know this. We know this. Let's just remember the most important thing, which is Han misses a lot of shots, including the chance to be on the majority of the fuck-merry kill list on this particular one. Hey. Also, we have Yoda on our list.

I can't believe I didn't put Yoda on the list. Yeah, take Luke off and put Yoda on. I can't with fucking, I mean, anime Yoda, it can. But prequel Yoda, it's a tough. Duku should also be on our list. But that fight in Attack of Clones is, it's not a great time. Let me tell you who's on rock bottom, General Grievous. That dude had 18 lightsabers.

Couldn't get a, couldn't get a sick. General Canope. General Connobe. But in the Gendi universe, he's a legit fighter. Amazing. You would have had me fooled on the tag of the clones. In the main canon, he's definitely like the bake-off, the Great British Bake-off contestant who constantly gets the style over substance note.

That's grievous. Is it style to just have an octopus technique? A real soggy bottom of a fire. His shit did not proof. It did not prove. I did consider putting Yoda on my list, but I just think that we don't really associate him with his lightsaber work. Like, it's not the thing that we think of when we think of Yoda. And so I don't think we're insulting him necessarily by not putting him in the top five.

But he beat Duku. Like, he, like, Obi-Wan, Anakin got their ass handed to them. Anakin cut Duku's head off while Duku's boss, like, stood by and cheered. I'm not that impressed by going head-to-head against Duku personally. It's just me. It's just me. All right. This was an absolute blast.

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