The Ringer-Verse - ‘The Book of Boba Fett’ Season Finale Plus Carey Jones | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

The Midnight Boys take one last ride in the Naboo fighter and give us their thoughts on the explosive season finale of 'The Book of Boba Fett' (03:32). They discuss a long-awaited reunion (30:58) and share what they think could await Mando and Grogu in Season 3 of 'The Mandalorian' (47:06), all before being joined for a round of "12 Questions to Midnight" with Black Krrsantan himself, actor Carey Jones (71:45). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Annette Benning, and Ed Harris, now streaming on Paramount Plus. Come to the Ringerverse. This is, of course, The Ringers Texas podcast, B for all things. fandom, we are Coke Baby Chuck

the 24-carat closer. We are Steve Alman, Joy, the cuddly black history monist we are, Jomi, the explainer at dinner on, you've got questions, he's got answers, and of

course I am old man van, he of the receding hairline. Together, we are known as of the midnight boys. I'll be ready. Before we begin. The House of Ar will give us their deep dive into the season finale

of the Book of Boba Fitt. That's Friday. It's House of VAR. They're coming back. They're going to deep dive the Booba Fet and probably put a pin in the whole season.

Okay? It's probably what they're going to do. Like, we're going to talk about it, but it's not complete. So you've checked in with the ladies over there, the House of R, they put a pin in the whole season.

Monday, Charles and Joanna Robinson will give their reaction to all of the news and trailers that dropped during the Super Bowl. I think I'm going to be on that too. I refuse to get hyped up about the Super Bowl this year. Why? Because, man, because nothing can be,

let me tell you why I think you can hype up over the Super Bowl. Nothing can beat the football fun activities that we had for the AFC and NFC championship game over at the house. It was so lit. It was great. So lit, Steve, Jomey, Arjuna, Daphne, Rachel Lindsay, Brian, Van, Copper, Bozeman. It was lit as fuck.

Did Steve find his wife? I'm talking about that. Oh, wow, this is the first time you're not talking about me. That's great. I appreciate that. I'm talking about that. Because this is a real situation. Like, this isn't for fun.

This isn't for play, Charles. Okay. I just wanted to know. I wanted to update on 16. I wanted to know his love life is going. Valentine's Day is almost here. He told me, you know, on the text, like, it's breaking the bank. There's too many women who are expecting certain things.

That's a serious situation. It's not to be trifled with and made fun of, all right? Wow, Van has a line in the sand. He's not going to cross. Look, so this is my line. Steve Olman. So, yeah, when it comes to this, this is my line in the sand. We can talk about things that have happened in the past.

We can talk about things that, could be happening in another plane. But if it's some real shit, some shit that actually has a chance of happiness in real life, we can't make fun of it, Chuck. I know you agree. I know you agree, Charles. On today's show,

we're going to let you know what we thought on the season finale of the book of Boba Fett. And later, we'll be joined by a very special guest. We got Chupy. on the show today. Carrie Jones, aka Black Crescented.

But before we move on at all, we have to make sure we don't spoil anything for you guys who are intentionally watching or listening to a reaction podcast. Give me a spoiler warning, please. We're getting ready to talk about Bobafant. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. All right, got to keep you in the know. Got to make sure you know what exactly happened on this episode of the book of Boba Fett. And in order to do that, I've got to turn it over to Code Baby Show so he can give you the midnight manifest. It is the last midnight manifest for the book of Boba Fett. We're about to dive deep into episode seven entitled In the Name of Honor, directed by Robert Rodriguez, written by John Favreau. We begin with Boba and Fennick surveying the chart remains of the. the bombed out sanctuary, when Mando appears and says, the people of Freetown will come to their

aid if Boba agrees to stop the sale of spice. The cyborks convinced Boba not to stage the battle from his hideout, but to instead defend the city and its people. Then Boba's forces split up to protect the entire city. Cadbane, the Pikes, and the mayor strategized on how to draw Boba out. The leader of the Pikes reveals that they killed the Tuskins and framed the Nito gang and made it seem like they committed the murders. An X-Wing arrives at Peli Moto's garage and Grogu shows up.

He picked the armor. He said, fuck your life, Luke Skywalker. Grogu is back. Cadbane arrives at the sanctuary and tries to goad Boba into a fight by revealing that the Pikes killed the Tuskins, but Fennick gets through to her boss and tells him not to give into emotion. Boba tells Fennick to find the Pikes at their hideout and take them out. Then the other crime families betray Boba, and it's a lot.

attack his forces throughout the city. Boba and Mando make a valiant stand at the sanctuary, and before they're killed, are saved by the people of Freetown and the cyborgs who were saved by Fenwick. The Pikesick, the Scorponic annihilator droids against Boba Fett's forces to split them up. Boba asked for everyone to hold the fort down until he gets back with something that can save them. Mando diverts one of the droids attention, and in the process, finds Pellimoto and Grogu,

and Grogu uses the force. To give his dad one big hug is the cutest thing you'll ever see. The cybors in free town folk face the other droid. Then Boba arrives riding on his rancor to destroy the annihilator droids, and Groku saves Amanda's life using the force. Then the rancor goes berserk. Groku uses the force to calm him down before taking a nap with his new buddy. Cadbane and Boba have a final duel, which Boba wins using the martial arts techniques.

He learned from the Tuskins. Fenne kills the Pikes and the mayor. Tatooine is now under Boba's control. and everyone in the streets are ecstatic. Mando and Grogu fly off for new adventures. And in a post-credit scene, we see Cobb Vat healing in the back to tank while Thundercat,

a.k.a. the droid mod dude, looks over. Guys, that is our last midnight manifest for this season. Fantastic job, Charles. Thank you. Midnight Manny. Midnight Manny Ramirez. Remember those too much? back in the day where Manny Ramirez was like killing it for the Dodgers.

Mani would. Mani would, yeah, whatever. Look, give me your being thoughts on this episode, Charles. It was a roller coaster. You know, it had high highs. It had some lows. But, you know, in total, nobody gets off a roller coaster and be like, I didn't have fun. I had fun.

I was glad that I went on this sci-fi space ride adventure. What about you? I liked it. I liked it. I thought that the episode had some of the same problems that, if I'm being honest, the Robert Rodriguez directed episodes have had. Already giving the shots out. All right, Steve.

Steve, back, back down. Steve is getting really excited right now. Not giving any shots out. I'm just saying some of the pacing. Look, here's the thing. In a battle show, okay, when you're doing a battle episode of anything, it's always important to space out your. surprise reinforcement tropes in a very real way.

For example, let's take the Battle of the Bastards. Battle of the Bastards, we start battling. We're bastards, you know. We're shooting down children. It's getting crazy. And then what happens? We get surrounded. Get surrounded.

We don't never know with Thrones, right? Because you never know who they're going to kill. We thought, hey, it might be over for all of these guys. What happens? surprise reinforcements come in, you know? What are you called? The knights of the what, what were they called again? Night to the veil?

The knights of the veil. The knights of the veil come in. The little Robin commands the knights of the veil. Little finger, everybody comes in. The nights of veil come in and ride over, and we get out of here. We're good, right? The Knights of the Vail.

This episode had too many surprise reinforcements, man. It was not a well-paced battle episode. It was exciting. It was thrilling. But for me, it seemed sometimes a little scattershot in the way they actually formulated this battle. It just seemed a little all over the place. But overall, it still hit all the beats that it had to.

It's kind of like a, I don't know, like a song that's like seven minutes long. but you listen to it for the two minutes and 50 seconds of the song that you like. You know what I mean? Pyramids by Frank Ocean. I like the back part of pyramids much better than I like the techno jam pyramids that you get at the beginning. But I still listen to the whole thing and appreciate the whole thing because the last, what, three minutes of pyramids is just so amazing.

All right. So I want to ask you this. Do you feel like we were worried this entire season once we started getting deep into it? We're like, last episode has to get to a lot. They have a lot of things to wrap up. And this has been something that we've been complaining about with almost every single Disney Plus show, where it feels like the pacing is super wonky and we get to the final episode and like, how are they going to fit it in and rarely do they fit it all in?

Do you feel like this episode kind of tripped over itself in the same way that every single Disney Plus show has? I'm going to be honest with you. Despite my criticisms, I would say this was among the more successful Disney Plus finale's that I've seen because... Oh, really?

I'll tell you why. Because it... I think for me, some of this stuff... So this answered all the questions, right? But in a very bloated way. So I think the problems that I've had before

were unanswered. questions still left in finale. Things that were shoehorned in at the end that didn't get resolved quick enough in finale's right? You have Kingpin pop up the episode before the end and now we got to do a whole Kingpin thing in two episodes

just doesn't work. This episode really didn't suffer from any of that. Most of the things that we got resolution on were things that have been baking three, four episodes back, you know what I mean? Or if we're talking about Mando and Groglue, things, a whole scene.

of television back. So as far as me, it was bloated. And it had some stuff in there that probably did need to be as long, didn't need to be hit on as much. But it really got to almost everything that's set up. I get the feeling that you feel differently. Now that actually, now that you've talked about, I was just like, all right, let's list it out.

I think this season finale was better than the Wanda Vision season finale, just in terms of the fighting and the choreograph, even if I had problems above it. better than Wanda Vision, better than Falcon and the Winter Soldier, not better than Loki. Of course. Better than Hawkeye.

So you actually might be right. Better than Hawkeye. You actually might be right that this actually, if we look at it compared to its, it still has similar problems, but you all right that like by the end, everything did get wrapped up. Right.

He comes back, he rides on the back of the rancor, which they kind of set it up. They set up and they paid off everything. It's just they overpaid. they might have like tipped us too much. And some of the stuff that we had been waiting for that had been building up in our mind,

it wasn't as cool once we finally saw it. There were a couple scenes that we could talk about them later. I was like, damn, I thought this scene would be way cooler and then I got it. And I was like, eh, okay, that's fine. That's fine. Okay. Now look, we'll be honest with you.

Yeah, that's on the director. Okay. Steve has infected you with his Robert Rodriguez. We didn't even talk about this. We didn't even talk about this. We have never, me and Steve had, I've been trying to get a hold of Steve for the last couple of days. He's been sending me a voicemail for some reason.

Like we, we, yeah, whatever. Yeah, you know what's going on. Like me, like me and Steve, like me, I'm just joking. I was like, what? I was checking my phone. I was like, what did I do? But me, we haven't talked about this, but I'm watching this. I'm like, I think that's more about that than anything.

But we'll save it. We'll save it. We'll get to it. We're going to also rank this whole show, give it a midnight meter ranking and this episode a little bit later on. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms,

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to learn more or visit trimfire radio.com. Most Espa is at war. All out war. Okay. By the way, Garza Fwip dead. I was wrong about that. I thought that she would have survived it. No, Garcifuip out of here.

God damn. They didn't say shit. There was no mention. Her name was mentioned. It was mentioned that the sanctuary was bombed. Unless I'm wrong, the name Garst Fipp was not said in this entire episode. It was not.

It's okay. All right, guys. You know, next time, give that one to an up and comer. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Like, next time, next time, go to an acting class somewhere, pluck somebody out of the acting class

that hasn't had their shot yet. Give that, I'll give his Jennifer Bills, and then unceremoniously cast her away like that. Kind of, kind of nuts. But, like, that, that actually was very important because that was the spark that let everybody know that most ESPA was all the way at war.

What did you think of Boba and Phoenix strategy to cover more ground as the pike showed up? What did you think? Putting everybody everywhere. I was laughing because in what world is this strategy going to work? They're like, yeah, we're going to separate our forces. They had black crescenting out there, Dolo.

Just be like, yeah. Just buy himself. Just buys them. Like, what are they going to do? It kind of reminded me of the end of Shang Chi when they're about to have this big war, which you can kind of tell because of the pandemic, it's like five people, verse five people. I'm like, this was supposed to be an all-out war on Tatooine.

And it was just like, what, like five cyborgs, black crescentia, just like chilling? I was like, this is not a war. How are they going to win this? Did you find that it was just kind of weird, the scale. of this battle. So let me tell you about this battle. They Marvel Hulked by boy Chrysanit. They helped him.

They helped him. And they holked him and it was disgusting. Okay. You got a character like Black Crescenton, right? Who's super strong, who's awesome, who we all want to see, get down. Right? But you're afraid that maybe he'll tip the skills of the battle too much.

so what do you have to do with him? Something stupid. You put him out there by himself inviting Trandotian smoke. Inviting it. He's out there all about himself. I'm like, yo, because I'm thinking to myself,

like when they put him out there, I'm thinking, oh, you know, Chrysanin must be that bad motherfucker that whoever comes by he can handle it. Then they start fucking him up and I'm like, nah, that's probably how that shit will go. And now he's hurt for the rest of the fight and he can't really get it in. Like they always do something. something to the Hulk with the Avengers.

It's like, oh my God, we got a big battle coming up. Hulk has pulled a hammy. So we don't have as much Hulk as we need. You know, Hulk won't come out. Like Infinity War. It's just like, and I'm like, they really- Oh, is Hulk always getting injured in the finals? Like- Hulk is Hulk, bro.

Hulk is always getting injured in the finals, bro. Hulk is like, bro, Hulk is not playing in a home games. He won't take his vaccine. You know, like, Hulk is always, the brother, they always do something to Hulk. Like, Hulk has emotional problems. He flies away. Like, we don't have three movies because he's too powerful.

And I feel like they kind of treated Chrysantern like that a little bit, too. They all ganged up on him. They still couldn't kill him. But he was out of commission, really, for the rest of the battle. He got fucked over this entire time. All right. So the strategy for this fight didn't make any sense. Maybe I'm off-libbing a little bit, but I'm just like, why are you doing this shit, bro?

you're not quarter flipping. We're just talking about the episode. And that kind of did make any sense. Jambi wants to say something. Well, I think their thought process is the pikes haven't arrived on the planet yet. So they have to make sure that they see the pikes before the pike see them. That's what Fennick mentions. And so they had to spread out the forces.

They had the mighty morphine tattooing rangers at the shipport. They had chrysanin with the Tandotians. Right. And they had the little pig people by the trains just to, look around and be like, all right, if the pikes come, we'll relay back to the people back at Mosespa. We'll all get back there for a fight. That was the thinking.

Which would have worked except for the fact that I guess they didn't have their treaties or their alliances as solid as what they thought that they did because they right away light up the mighty morphine rangers, light them up. They, yo, bro, they fucking suck, dog. I just got you're terrible They suck, bro. They bring nothing to the table, man.

Like, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're less, what was the point of modding yourself? Their mods suck. Like, oh boy, which by the way, I thought about this, he's the, he's the, he's the only black guy that has a crispy line in the history of Star Wars. Show me another one. No, he's very true. He's the only, Landau? Landau. No.

Landau didn't have a crispy line. No, no. Landau. He wasn't lined up like that. No. His shit was kind of grown out. He has a fade. He has a,

they got a black barbershop on tattooy. I'm not going to lie. They did John Boyega. Bad. Oh, man. Like that shit looks terrible. Anyway, and I love John Boyega.

I love him too. So anyway, they get all screwed up. So all of these situations, it was almost like Order 66. Oh wait. Let's not forget the Gimorians. The Gormons just got there.

Punished. Like, Legit, fell off a cliff. They didn't even pour out. They didn't pour out. They didn't pour out. No, they just like, all right, guess they're not here. I just need no word of them for the rest of the episode.

It was a terrible plan. Yeah. Finnic, now here, we have something. Steve wrote something here in the rundown. I'm talking about this. Did it feel strange that Finnic was missing from the majority of the final battle, only to show up and kill the pike leaders and the mayor? I'll be honest with you.

Not really. I feel like Finick was one of the, was one of the better utilized characters in this episode. because being that she's a master of sashing, she's not like a foot soldier. She's not like a soldier in a battle. She picks her spots. She hops around. She helps.

Then she gets to a spot. And she is tactically lethal. So, Steve, you can jump on and tell me what you were thinking there. Like, you don't, I thought that if they used fiddick, Finnic was lean. She was everywhere. And then she got there at the scene when she killed the Pikes. Sure. At the end was amazing.

Well, she bailed out the kids, which was a good, show of prowess there, but I think it was, it sucked for me a bit more because, like, we had only seen her, you know, take out those leaders and the mayor after the battle was already won. So, timing-wise, she probably could have actually still been, you know, a good hand in this battle because we, like, we could post her up on a roof. Timing-wise, just because it's cut that way, we don't, like, actually know. Well, she had to speed away into Mosisly in order to take other, she had to travel some distance, which, which made some sense, but I'm like, you need all the muscle you can get. You're outnumbered. But she freed the kids to your point. So it's not like she didn't do anything on her way there. She was like, she was popping around helping out. No, but she, but she was missing from a majority of, of a big set piece. Yeah, I got to the point where I was sitting there and I was like, where's Finnic? Like, I forgot. Like, I just forgot where it was like, it was funny got here on the side. What's going on? But I'll tell you what thing. I enjoyed the way they used Finnic. Not because I wouldn't have wanted to see more Finnic. Of course, she could have been helped.

They might have hulked her too a little bit, but they, because they had to be losing, right? They had to be down. Right. And at a certain point, you got,

think about it, man, you got Cresanton, you got Finnic, you got Mando, and you got some more people. It's just going to be hard, it's going to, at some point,

be hard to believe, unless you throw 700 motherfuckers in there, they're not going to be able to figure this fight out, you know? But to your point, a little bit, it almost feels like the war.

isn't over until she handles business in most honestly. So that was the final salvo of the war because he wanted the Pikes gone. So she had to cut the head off the snake. So I kind of enjoyed that scene and I kind of liked the way they use her. She's an assassin. She's supposed to be around there, not seen quite as much. The use of her in that scene, I would agree, makes sense. I just think that she's like, oh, wow, she's a Swiss Army knife for a lot of good things. And like, man, could they have used her in that? I thought it was one of the better scenes of the episode of her taking out all the leaders.

Oh, it was great. And Moisele. That was fun. Do we feel a little cheated by the Tuscan Raiders of it all? I think when they were originally... When they were originally dispatched when in the past bubble comes back, they're all burnt to a crisp.

And he takes out the Niko gang. I think we were all on the same page. We'd be like, this can't be the end of the Tuscans. Like, they spent so much time. Maybe they're going to come back. What's going to happen? and emotionally I felt a little bit cheated. I'm like, we spent 25% of the season

with his relationship with the Tuskins and for them to be dispatched like nothing and they don't, none of the Tuskins come back or whatever. I don't know. It put a bad taste in my mouth a little bit. So let's talk about this real quick. Let's talk about two aspects of the Tuskins. Number one, innocent speeder gang,

bikers were killed. Yeah. He ran down. I don't know about innocent. They didn't do that. No, I don't know. What else they did. See, Steve, that's what, that's why, bro.

Check your ally shit at the door, bro. Check your shit. I'm not saying that these. Hold on. They were terrorizing. They were doing bad shit. They didn't deserve to die, Steve. I'm just saying that.

Steve. Cerebral punishment shit. Steve. It all comes out. It all comes out. We're talking about, we're not talking about things that they might have done before. We're talking about this one specific thing. that they were falsely accused of.

It's not even 10 days in a black history month and Steve already acted up. Steve was like, oh, they're guilty of other things. We didn't see those things. We know that they're not saints, but they didn't run down on the whole village of Tuscans. Boba killed them all,

shot them in the back, really. From his ship, like from his ship, shot them in the back. And they got a nod from Finik. and that's just, they didn't do it. Like, I'm stopping

where I was sticking to myself like when I watch an episode I'm like, I'm sure they've done a lot of stuff. No, sure, but like that, which justified on screen, them being

exterminated, they didn't do it. All right, okay. The Tuskins always getting a raw deal, though, man.

Now, they do say that that's just one tribe of Tuskins. So I'm sure that there are other Tuskins. Okay. I'm sure there are other Tuskins out there. Can't be, well, you know what?

No. I can say I think there are other Tuskins. I can't be sure as shit. I don't know. Like, I have no clue, but I had a real problem with that. Did you think that Boba's scene where he did kill Cabin,

which I think is a terrible thing to happen in this episode. I think that's terrible. That's a terrible choice. I'm like, you just introduced Cadbane to kill him off. Disgusting choice. Why?

Like, Like, it's like, it's like he's just made it to live action. Why? Like, why? Why? Why we always got to do? Like, why? Okay.

Go ahead. If we're going to be honest, too, I can understand if, like, all right, it's a sacrifice, but the fight is going to be so monumental. You won't even be mad. But they kill Cadbane in the worst way. Like, in just the lamest, lamest way. And also, also, let's be real, Boba was getting cooked. Okay? Like, like, Cadbane, even Boba's like, you old as hell.

And Cadbury's like, I'm still faster to your ass. And, Bap, Bop, like, Bob is out of here. Just, do we think Boba redeemed himself? A little bit, a little bit. A little bit? I don't know. I'll tell you, I'll tell you why he redeemed himself. Number one, he did defeat Cabain, which is a big deal. He defeated Cabain.

If you look at Boba Fent, this is the way I looked at this showdown, right? you look at Boba Faye and Cadbane, right? You look at him. Cabin'clock, So, he can't get forced choked out. He's got all of these do-hickies and gadgets, just like anybody hunter. He's got the fire.

He's on the rancourt. Nobody else studied rancourt in school. They're running from the rancor. They're blasts of the rancor. Nobody has a fucking lighter on them except for one fucking guy. So only one guy knows. that the thing doesn't like fire, shoot the fire at the thing. You would think, you would think that a bunch of people would know that.

Whatever. What ended up beating him wasn't any of that. It was something that Boba learned. It was good old meat potatoes, hand-to-hand fighting. It was being present using an ancient weapon and using skills that he learned from people that were right there. Now, I thought that that wasn't very much redemption for the Tuscans who were killed, but it was a meaningful moment that it wasn't his armor that saved him. It wasn't his rocket launcher that saved him.

It was the bond that he made with the people that actually preserved his life, that saved his life right there. I thought that brought him full circle as a character as we're seeing him become more full circle as a character. So I thought the moment was very important. I thought he had to in that moment probably be at his wits in against a guy who's maybe more skilled in him. They're supposed to be the same about skill. But, you know, Cat Bain is one of the baddest motherfuckers in the galaxy. He kills Jedi all the time. So, you know, it's not too much for me to believe you could fuck up with him.

But I thought that moment was actually, I wouldn't say moving, but I was happy to see that. The scene just didn't land for me. I knew what the scene was trying to do in terms of like the thing that saved. Boba Fett's life is going to be the techniques that he learned from this indigenous people to Tuskins. It was just to introduce Cadbane, live action Cadbane,

in the previous episode. And then for him to get dispatched the next episode, it was like, did you have to do that? Could you have not found a character who, like, Cadbane is beloved? There's so much you can do with him. I was just like, it just seems like a misstep.

You are absolutely right about the decision. I just don't understand why like look, I sometimes wonder if Disney Plus and Marvel and these other things understand that we have evolved. By the way, we read comics. We're comic book fans. Like, we're fans of this. We're fans of, where these guys, they never die. Like, look, they never died.

Professor Xavier and them been fighting Magneto. Well, he actually did die. But Professor Xavier, Magneto, they've been fighting for, they killed him for real. for a long time. But as soon as we see these people in live action, it's like villain dies at the end. It's cool. It's fine.

Steve, jump in. I mean, as disappointing as it might be to see, you know, the death of Cadbane here, we now know that he is, he has survived through like the entire mythology of the original Star Wars trilogy. We have a lot more room to explore that we actually don't know about him. We only know him from the Clone Wars.

Would it be nice to see him possibly hopping around in different spots? in the timeline in other shows, possibly in the Asoka show, if that takes place earlier. We see him just popping around in other spots, you know, killing people, being cool. And also is he dead?

Right? We see his body and he's got the little beep. Maybe that's like a transponder. Somebody come get my body, you know? Yeah, maybe he's not dead. But if he, like, if he is dead, though, if he is dead. Because remember, we've been playing this dead,

not dead game. And, you know, it turned out we were right about Cobb, but some of these motherfuckers are dead. We'll see. If he is there, I thought it was a bad situation to kill him because I'm looking at a lot of people who are watching this who maybe don't know the lore as much, and they thought that character was one of the coolest characters.

But to Steve's point, we might see him again. It happened. Rugo and dinner back together. Jesus Christ, I love Grogoo. I swear to God, bro. Brog, I can't handle it, bro. Like, I can't handle my love and affection for Grogoo. Grogu jumps into his arms

and I'm like, Jesus Christ. He uses the force. Is this the first time we've seen a character? Use the force to jump hug another character. The look on Grogu's face like, my dad, like was the sweetest thing I've ever seen on TV. Love a good father-son moment. I do sometimes wonder what the scientists are bringing Grogu

who is a baby into the middle of the battle. But once again, if Gros was a baby, shit was going down. It's like, keep your head down, Grogu. Keep your head down. What if the fucking droids shoots the thing? The whole thing could get blown up. But I will say that once again,

Grogu proves that he is not just useful in the battle. He is essential in the battle. They probably don't win without Grogu. But after what happened in the last episode of Season 2 of the Mandalorian, knowing that they had separated, knowing that Grogo was going to go away and train, knowing what Dan was going through, how did it feel for you to see them reunited again?

The level of, like, happiness and warmth in my heart, just knowing everything. And Den, looking at Grogu on the planet with Luke, I'm so close, I've been waiting to see him so far. And when Din realizes that Grogu's, like, wearing the chain mail shirt was just so heartwarming. Now, what I have to say, I want to start from the beginning.

Luke Skywalker really ain't shit. And I was bad. I don't even have a kid yet. But here's the thing. This is what I know about children. When somebody like places a child in your care, okay, well, you drop them off. You drop the kid all, like you go.

I want to put a kid in an Uber and be like, all right, peace, Grogu. See you later. Luke Skywalker put Baby Yoda in a fucking X-wing. And was just like, all right, I'll see you later, chief. like what? Like Grogley's wonderful. You think

you think Luke Skywalker cares about children. I have to remind you that he was about to murder his nephew. Bro, he put Skywalkers and kids like big kid killers

that family. Big kid killers. Murder. I'll just let you guys know. I don't think Luke Skywalker gives a fuck about kids. You guys, he was getting ready

to murder his sister's son, Han's son. Just never forget that, guys. When you think about who's Skywalker and what he did at the end, like, season two of the,

maybe he was actually coming to get Grogu just so he could fuck over him. I don't know. Like, it's like murder children. But how do you like, Luke knows better than anyone because he had to save Grogu. Grogu is like enemy number one in the universe. They want

Grogu at any cost. Why would you put him in an X-wing alone with the only protection being R2? And we know R2 D-2 really don't give a fuck about anybody. He don't care. Artu hasn't messed up a mission yet, though. Yeah, R-2, but you know that R-2 is going to get the job done. R-2 is getting it done. Okay, but, and I mean, this is more loose-lander.

You ain't you put a C-belt on, my boy? Yeah. My man, put a C-belt on? What a C-bell's not going to fit? The C-bell's not going to fit. He's too little. No booster seats in Star Wars, bro? I haven't seen one.

The Seabelt looks... I'll be honest with you. Star Wars really doesn't give a fuck about kids. Think about this. I'm saying. But think about this. Think about a young Anakin Skywalker, a child fighting in the Battle of Nebu.

A child soldier. They fight in battles. They go across space with robots. You know what I mean? He fought in his belt. Child soldiers in Star Wars. You got to talk about it. It's very, very, it's fucked up.

Now, Grogu Linsang in the fight. He actually disables one of the Scorpion droids. I wouldn't say disabled. He crippled a droid so it couldn't kill Den. And then also, he put the rank or to sleep. Jesus Christ. When he cuddled next to the rancor, when he, like, puts him to sleep, and he's like, all right, bud, let's go to take a nap.

That was, like, once again, a heartwarming moment. They know what they're doing to us. He puts the rancor to sleep. And of course, he's had a big long day. He's traveled for a while. He's had a big long day. He's been in a fight. He wants to sleep, too.

And he's humanized the rancor. Who I feel sorry for in this episode, by the way. Oh, the rancor, the way they were treating this, like I was like, y'all kind of deserve to die. Like, let's be, bro. The reality is the rancor comes out of nowhere. It helps out, right? And then he gets scared.

And they forget that they forget that. the rancor was on their side, just a moment before they're shooting the rancor. Like, nobody is even, Steve, you're on board. Jump in, Steve. No, no, no, I completely agree. Nobody's just like, wait a minute. That's my rancor. Like, that's the guy, that's the, it's not like another rancor.

It's like, why are you shooting him? You got one of those in town. It was the mods leading to charge. The mods are terrible. It looked cool when he, he was looking like king com up there. Yeah, that's a cool shot. Wait, really quick, I want to go back to one thing with Grogu and Luke. So, last episode, Grogu is standing there.

Luke is like, you can choose between the chain mail. You can choose between the lightaber. I find it hilarious that Grogu the baby essentially had to tell Luke, fuck you, fuck the X one you flew in on, fuck the Jedi, fuck your little mechanical arm, hope you can get through customs. I'm taking the armor and I'm out. Like, do you understand, like, Grogu didn't even have to, think. Like he was just like, yeah, give me my dad's present. I'm out. By the way, good luck

with your nephew you're about to kill. Peace. Like, I thought it was going to take a little bit more time for Grogu to have to figure out whether he wants to be a Jedi or a Mandalorian. My man said no. Do you don't understand the heart and loyalty that Grogu has? I got to be honest with you. Part of me thinks Grogo said something was off with the Academy. I'm going to be real with you. I'm going to be real with you. You know, Master Yoda was very prescient Like he could

Like he could feel things And kind of feel things a little bit And see people's Grog will probably looked at Luke like No not me daddy You think he knew he's like You a kid killer I'm good

Yeah yeah Yeah Grog was like damn this is dope We're about to learn how to manipulate rocks And we flip it and all this stuff And then he's looking at the Luke He's like ooh Ooh

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The return of the rank what we talked about a little bit. How much was it, how fun was it to see the rancourt chopped down those Scorpion droids? The Scorpion joids were, they were sufficiently scary villains in this. They really worked. Of all the things this episode that really worked and really felt menacing, the Scorpion joists really did. obviously they're kind of like the joy Dakar's from Phantom Menace a little bit.

They put the shield around them and they're shooting. But I was really scared of those guys. And the Rancor was very clutch. How do you feel like that same worked? Oh, it worked beautifully. I love the Rancor. I think it's hilarious, though, that Mando tried to ride the Rancor. Like, dog, what are you going to do, bro?

Like, what are you going to do, Mando? In this situation, why would you try to write it? You have a flameflower thrower. Like, just use the flamethrower on him. What's happening? Mando had a little too much dip on his chip. I don't know if Mando... Let's be...

Well, actually, I was about to call him the MVP, but, like, baby Grogue was really the MVP, if we're going to be wrong. I don't know if Groghue was the MVP. I'm trying to think of who would be the MVP. That's actually a good conversation. But when he tried to ride the Rancor, if he was going to ride the Rancor,

I was going to quarter-flip the shit out of that scene. If he was going to ride... If he rode the Rancor, I was going to quarter-flip the fuck out of that scene on here. Absolutely, because the Red Corps has to imprint on you. It has to do all of this stuff. And that was the whole purpose of the thing,

but it didn't happen. They got out of it before I quarter-flipped the hell. Oh, if they were going to let Mando just ride the Reancourt, I'm like, Tim, like, they really don't give a fuck about Boba-Fa-Fat. Like, they take everything away from him, bro. He can't have shit for himself. In this episode, everything, that Boba Fett suggests to do.

Somebody goes, no, that's not going to work. Let's do it this way. He doesn't have, forget it, he almost doesn't have one original idea the entire time. And when he has an idea, Phoenix's like, nope.

Don't do it. The mods jumped in and told him no. He was like, let's go back to the palace. Uh-uh. Not going anywhere. Your palace is, fuck you. We're going to stay. here, we're going to fight.

BobaFed's like, he's out there with Cabin. I can take him. She looked at him and said, you're being emotional. She like sunned him in front of everybody. This is the Damio, most Aspa. She's like, you're being emotional right now. Like, hey, bro,

stop after like a motherfucking wuss. Dog, like, you look crazy right now. Now, we're about to fight him. We got to and it just seems like in his own show that they kind of don't give a fuck about Boba Fett at any simple. in any particular way. No?

I mean, you're not wrong that Boba Fett is a fraud, but you are, like, I don't think they're like, Faloni and Fravoro were like,

all right, you know, we're going to make a whole show to show people how BobaFet ain't shit so they know that mandos the real chosen one. Like,

they wouldn't do that. Maybe not, but it seems like it. I think Boba was past this prime, you know, he's a bit of a good product. for being honest, you know?

He's not the guy, you know, who's putting up 29, 7, and 7 each night no more. He needs to come off. On the Lakers. Yes. That's like you guys were saying. Westbrook? Man.

Oh, no. No, don't do. That's disrespect. That's disrespect. He's not Westbrook. Come on now. Yeah, he might be Carmelo, Anthony. Yeah.

You know what I mean? He might be Carmell. But he's not, he's not Westbrook. There's no Westbrook. There's a Westbrook. Who is it? I tell you. it's Jar Jar Binks.

Yo! Yeah. Bad, bad. By the way, let me say something. Let me say something. I met Best, the guy who I know who did a great job

is Jar Jar Binks. Let me tell you while West Rook is Jar Bings. Okay. They made a big deal about Jar Jar Bings going into Fandom Bittance. A big deal.

This is going to be the new, cool motherfucker that you're going to like. Big deal about Jar Jard Bings. What's on in Rolling Stone? coverage shit. All of that. George Jard Banks is going to be a big addition to the team. And then literally

it took one quarter of watching Jar Jar Jaxe play for all of the fandom to be like, get this motherfucker off the squad. We don't want to hear from this guy no more. And it wasn't fair to my best.

And it wasn't fair to the way they treated him. He's a great guy and a very, very talented performer. But that's what the fans thought about Jar Jarn Jarns. And that is how the fans are treating Russell Westbrook. This is Jar Jar Binks of the Lakers. They're looking at him and they're going, uh-uh. Misa Say Kay Schuza.

Get the fuck off the court. Ew! You know! I'm just being, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm not saying. It's got a point, though, right? He got a point, but you all got to be that, like.

Like, I'm watching the Clone Wars right now, right? I'm going through for the first time. Every time I see, every time I see Jarja on screen. I have the same reaction when I see Westbrook's shoot. I'm like, bro, what are we doing here, man? What's going on, bro? It's the same feeling. So I get it.

Boba brings peace to most aspect reflects that he is not suited for this. No shit. Very interesting. We clearly see you ain't suited for this. Like, come on. Because what the hell is that, though? What the hell was that? We spent how many hours, seven episodes,

Bob was like, I am the dimei. I'm going to bring order to most espah. And literally, the last thing he says is, I might not be suited for this. What is that? What is that? It's weird. Do we think that he's going to give it up?

He's going to give up being a domio? Do we think that Finnic would be a better domo? Yeah. What? Why are we asking questions that are already done? FedEx. Like, like, legit. Every single episode,

she's like, hey, Bob, you got too much dip on your chip. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I said, stop, stop. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course, Fennick is the real mastermind. So do we think that Finney could be the next? If he steps down as Dombo, D'O, do you think Finney could be the next one to take the throne? I think she could. I don't think Star Wars will do that.

But also after this, I don't even know if Boba gets a season two. Interesting. Because over on the House of R, they were, they were adamant. They're like, Kira. Kara from Solo was coming. Kira from Solo was coming. And I was like, I don't know.

And I was surprised. I was just like, I did give it up to Joe and Mal. I'm like, yo, Kara might be in the stinger, but I was surprised that we didn't get any type of like, this is what's happening next with Boba Fett. We got none of that. The show didn't even end with Boba Fett.

The show ended with Mando and Baby Yuda. Well, the show ended with Cobb. I mean, but like the action. show. We're not talking about stingers. Like, Bob's own episode did not end with him. Cobb is getting enhanced. Okay, let me ask you this. Could Cobb become the damn yo

of Mos Espa? I say no. Could Freetown and Mosespa, now that the spice is gone, build a society together where Cobb is the leader? Cobb has a lot of retooling to his image,

in my opinion, because the only thing you can do as a leader, the most important thing you can do as a leader is surround yourself with people that are smart and that you can trust. And after who we pick as his deputy, I don't know. A lot of that's in question, okay?

Oh, that's true. Deputy was not great. You know what I'm saying? He almost got killed for that choice. I think I blame that on the deputy. I don't blame that on cop. Yeah, I don't think cop had a lot of options, though. Well, I mean, how many options do you have, though?

That guy's got to be his girl's brother or something like that. That's right. I'm going to leave with you. I'll keep it all the way against it. That's got to be like his girl's brother. Like he's got to be like, that's, hey, that's my brother-in-law. Or that's my wife's, that's my girl's, shithead, fucking nephew. Don't worry about it.

It's got to be somebody like that because that guy was so dumb. That guy was so dumb. Mando looked through him. Like, Mando didn't even care about his entire existence. but yeah okay okay cool so didn't grogoo fly off to their next adventure what do you think happens in mando season three this is very exciting time mando season three what do you think happens in mando season three oh i think i think we're totally now and this is why i think behind the scenes they were probably thinking of this and referring to this as mandororian 2.5 they got all of the jedi stuff out of the way

they reunited mando with grogou because i think the third season is going to be the mandolori The Midorian season. We're going to see Dinn, go back to the home world, try to purify himself, try to get back in with his homeboys. He has the sword. He's going to have to reunite this entire planet. And I think we're getting high stakes. Ken Mando be the leader of his people. And I'm so stoked.

What about you, then? We are all expecting that to be season three of the Mandalorian. I think, guys, if I could just get some head nods, that's what we're expecting to be season three of the Mandalorian. Okay. What if, though, the Mandalorian continues its story by story, adventure by adventure, art that it's already done, a rifleman style, old West style, almost anthology-esque in its story with an underlying story like that. Do we now want the Mandalorian to have a more centered, driving narrative

that leads us directly to Mando assuming the throne of Manderlur purifying himself and rising the people back to prominence or are we okay

with the show being, because I'm telling you guys we love the show a lot but a lot of people are forgetting some of the criticisms that they had not as much in season two

but definitely in season one and a little bit in season two as well. like are we okay with that show still being like it is or do we want to see we want to see this story every single week on the bandelon. I'm firmly in the category of like they got to go big. It's like when a team wins a championship. The only thing left is to win another championship. Like no one. We've had Asoka.

We've had Luke. You know what I'm saying? We've had the Dark Sabre. You have to top the last two episodes that we've had. we saw Mando in where Luke is here, Assoca's there. If they don't reach that level, people will think Mando season three is a failure.

And like that's just, we know how the Star Wars community is. It's like, what have you done for me lately? And my question would be to you guys, how do you top Luke and Asoka? Like, how do you go bigger than that?

What characters are left on the board to introduce and live action? That's a great question. Who's still out there? I kind of don't want Mando season three to be a bit of a cameo machine, if that makes sense. I don't, I kind of don't want to see that many bleed over from what we would be seeing in an Asoka show or what we had gotten at the latter end of season two because the brilliance of the first season of the Mandalorian was the fact that it was seemingly isolated from all of Star Wars lore that we had since known. and then it slowly pointed its compass towards rebels

and Asoka and all of those things. And now we have a trajectory that Mando has for himself and only him of like figuring out what his Mandalorian way will be with him and Grogo. That's gone now. I know, but that's gone now.

And now we have to go back to that. Well, I want to see what the show has to say when it's now just him and Grogu. I don't know if they're... I don't know if they can. I think that would be interesting. Right. But I think a lot of people, because look, he's going to be carrying around the Dark Sabre everywhere he goes.

Right. Exactly. That's going to get attention. Like, you will ultimately need. We will come across Boca Tan like for sure. Interesting. That's interesting. Can the Mandalorian do that successfully?

I don't know if you like to see them trying. I feel like it has. But guys, like let's be real. The stakes in terms of like people were talking about those two episodes. for over a week. Like, it just, the amount of, just,

how do I put this? Our excitement for Mando's season three, how do you reach that by going back and making a smaller show? I do agree with you, Steve. Like, I think, like, artistically, I like smaller things. I like more intimate things.

But you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. Once, Skywalker shows up for multiple episodes. And what I mean by that is not smaller, more so pointed only in the direction of Mando and Rogo. Like if those big characters enter their orbit again, which I'm certain that they will in some

places great. But we came to the end of Book of BobaFet being like, well, is Han Solo going to show up? And that's really the only substantive thing that we like were theorizing. Whereas with Grogu and Dinn, we were like, okay, what are we going to see? What planets are we going to go to? What forward-arching plot for the Mandalorian Way is going to happen now? That's what I'd like to see. Those are the questions that I have.

That's a clarification that makes a lot of sense. So not so much has less to do with which Star Wars characters are orbiting, orbiting the world of the Mandalorian. And more so that they stay dedicated to the story that is centered on Den and Grogu. So you don't want to see Den and Grogu get involved in adventures that are bigger than those two characters themselves. Right. less, less, less, less, less, less things that would theoretically spin off into do their own things because we are now fully invested in what these two have. Well, that'll never happen in their show. Right.

So, so I don't think, I don't think they'll, they'll backdoor pilot anything in, and if anything, they already kind of did. Yeah, no, they have. With, like, with, like with the Soka. But they did not do that in the same way that they did it in this show. This show was completely fucking different. And really in the Mandalorian, too, they also already did it for Boba Fett. Right. By putting Bobifett in it.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is because it puts into context our expectations for the next season of the Mandalorian. So what would be bad for you? What would be a failure of that? Again, like this is all conjecture because it probably could be, I could see a scenario of all of these things happening and it being great. Like we never thought that we would have seen Luke Skywalker again. It was the best episode of Star Wars we'd ever seen. I would be fearful of maybe getting too caught up in the Asoka search for Ezra in Mando's season three when we already know that Asoka's getting her own show and that could just be the primary focus. Then again, if Ezra pops up and he's like, holy shit, here I am.

And then off I go to do my own thing, that can easily be a great part of that show. But Jomi, what do you think you would like to see from that? Well, I think the story is now bigger than in Groku. of scope, right? The emotional beats, the heart of the story is still Bando and Baby Yoda, but we're looking at the dark saber, we're looking at bringing back

Mandelor together, right? Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, in episode five, the armor mentions that in order for Dinn to become a Mandalorian, like, at least in his sec again, he has to bathe in the water under the minds,

right? Which don't exist anymore. Right? So if he wants to go do that, it's a whole, it's a whole thing, right? Boketan, who's going to rule mann lordly? That scopes a lot, right? And so even if they're going, you know, planet to planet hunting bounties and, you know, taking care of people, that's still at the back of our minds. And that's the big plot point.

And also, at some point, he's going to have to wield that dark saber against a challenger, like he did, you know, but this time there might be bigger stakes. Grugu is going to have to learn to use the force eventually, right? And maybe wield his own lightsaber. And that's going to bring its own set of problems. And we know how this Star Wars TV likes to work. It likes to pull people from all different directions. People we recognize, people we know that we already have a face to be those either

villains or allies or whatever. So in terms of being a cameo machine, I think. that's kind of what Star Wars TV is. I think especially now. Especially now. Like, especially now, maybe,

maybe not, maybe not before, but especially now, I'm putting this, the reason why I'm making sure that we're sticking this conversation. Because I want people to remember that we talked about this,

right? I want people to remember that we discussed this before we got out of, before we got to our final thoughts about BobaFet. Because in this, I think that the Mandalorian season three

is going to be more of a tricky enterprise that people think it's going to be. It's going to be great. Don't get me wrong. But they now have to sort of re-center the show and almost redefine what it's going to be. And look at what we got right here out of these four people. Charles wants to go bigger.

Steve almost wants, I wouldn't say, go smaller, but the intimate scope of maybe the first season, first half more intent, I would say. More intent, right? And me and Jomi are just kind of like it doesn't matter what we want. I don't know if they can. I don't know if it's

possible for them to kind of do. So it'll be interesting to see. All right, so let me pitch you on this. We're going to get an Asoka show. Is there a world where we watch the Ashoka show, we watch the new season of the Mandalorian, And if Admiral Thrawn becomes like the big bad, he's somebody who's trying to, he realizes, I don't know, the Mandalorian's becoming a big culture again, having their planet again is something that he's dead set against. And we essentially have two shows now, Mando and Asoka, that are like shared characters. The world is getting bigger. Steve, would you hate that idea? Only if it was used in a problem, in a sparing way that was just slightly tangential to what was being done. Like if, if,

you know, Mando finds his salvation on Mandelor and tries to reignite something I don't know, in mid credits or like after Stinger, like we got with like the Thron drop with Asoka in the Jedi where it's something outside of him and it looms to something bigger that we'll see in the distance.

That's fine with me. I'll be honest with you guys. I ask that question for you guys to say Thron. They got to bring Thron it. I love to see it. Love to see it. I think they need the series needs a big bad. I'm not talking just about the Mandalorian. I'm talking about all these series.

The one thing that needs to unite them is you need an emperor-type villain, someone who's like a common foe that they all have to dispatch of, and they don't have that yet. Weekend Star Wars Defenders? What's going on? Yeah! Look, enough future casting. Let's talk about what we

just saw. All right, we got to do it, guys. Midnight meter time. one to ten and then maybe we should do the midnight meter song like sesame street I'll see you should one two ten and if it's great it's a twelve it's the midnight meter tell us what you thought can you tell me how to get how to get by Fuck, I fucked it up. I could take the last part of it.

You know, for a song about a meter, that was surprisingly off meter. Rhyming is not your skill set, man. Sorry. Fuck you. And we're going back in the lab. We'll have that sound bite. We'll get it.

We'll have that sound bite. We'll have that. I'm working on that. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, let's do it. Midnight meter. So I was Steve.

Hmm. 12 reserve for game changers. 10 is a 10. I'm giving this a 6. Oh. Rough crowd. Rough crowd already. Eternal's got a five. Why, my God.

Eternal got a five from y'all. I think the averages will work out, I think, once we keep up with this. But there was a lot to like, there were a lot of stumbles. I think overall, its heart was there. I just think it just went about it the wrong way sometimes. And there were really two great episodes of Mandalorian in there. So I can't complain too much. Oh, boy.

Yeah. There was, we watched a lot of television over the past seven weeks. And if, break the shit, you guys are so bad. You guys are so mean, bro. No, no, no. I think I'm good. I liked it more than most people. So I'm going to give it a seven. My official ranking is a seven. Um, like, like Steve said, a bit uneven. But the stuff I liked, I really liked. So I'm going to give it a seven. Charles. You know, I think if we, uh, take the two episodes. The Mandalorian season 2.5, those two episodes get a 12. Hall of Fame episodes, okay? Game Changers.

Those get a 12. If we take the, how many Bobfit? Five. I'm going to give the five episodes of both that we got a five. Just because we know, I don't got to tell you what we saw. We all know what we saw. Okay. So give us your...

If I average out the... Average it. All right, I'm going to land on a six. What's Steve? I'm going to land on. six and Steve. I'm going to give it an eight. All right. Yes. I'm giving it an eight.

Roll it. Steve. Stop the cap. I can't. I can't. Can't do it. Can't do it to him. Not for a midnight meter ranking. I know. I want to hear. So look. Okay. So let's look. Let's go back. Let's go back. And let's talk about what then said about this. Because you guys are talking about midnight meter rankings, which is a, which is a fucking personal thing.

Let's go back and let's go back. Let's go back. Okay, let's look at the episodes. I got the episode list right here. One, I loved. Right? You guys weren't as high on. One, I loved.

Two, I loved. Great episode, right? Loved two. I loved. Three, I liked. Okay. Four was bad. No.

Four made you like re-questioned. your whole existence. Four was bad. Four was bad. Four was bad. Five and six. Oh, no, no, no. Don't do that.

Don't do that. You're trying to use those two episodes to jump up the whole store. They are Book of Bubba Fed episodes. They're Book of Bubblefeit episodes. They are Book of BobaFet episodes. Like five and six were amazing. So two was great for me.

One, I liked. Three, I liked. This is on tape. five and six I liked the finale I liked didn't love the finale I liked didn't love so how could it be

anything other than a for me yeah that makes sense for you that works how can it how can it be anything other than an A for me you've been trying to get the book of Bobefet agenda off speak the truth

I think to the fact the stuff in the past the stuff where he was with the Tuscaratist that stuff worked right I liked it yeah after they got away from that And we started looking at Bobo started looking a little funny in the light, right?

So I understand why he would give that an eight. So I'm with you, man. Like, I'm not there yet. That's why I said a seven, but I can see your eight. Yeah, but so I got to give it an eight. The only reason why I really wouldn't give it a nine is because it can't be a nine if four is in there because four was fucking really a four was bad. I would assume it can't be an eight also because like you can't call a show the book of Boba Fed. and then

the best everything that's good about the season has the mandolarian in it. I mean, look,

you, that's how you feel. That's an outline. I disagree, I think with that. I disagree with that. I'm not taking it away from it.

I mean, look, that's like he's, that's, that's a different conversation, which that's a different conversation.

I'm not talking about Boba Fenn as a character. I'm talking about the show we just watched. Like, I think that this show clearly demonstrated

that the Mandalorian is a much more fascinating character at least as it's written right now as Boba Fett I'm talking about this particular show so I'm going to give it an eight and also I want everybody

you guys don't give me enough Midnight Mirror rankings on our socials and stuff I want every voice on this we have to know what we rank this show as a community, the riders and the mob,

and the midnight rankings. Now, I'll ask one more question before we move on. What do you guys think? I want midnight. I want some midnight pronostication. What do you guys think? We think the average will be of everybody.

What do you guys think? What do you think right now the average is going to be from our audience? I think seven. Seven, eight. I think seven. I think seven.

I think seven, two. I think seven to. So that's literally if you average all around. out we got two sixes. We have a seven. We got an eight. If you average that out, what would that be? Like, I don't know, around a seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. I'm fine with the seven. I'm fine with, I'm fine with calling this seven. Do we have any quarter flips? Steve. Steve had a big one. Clear out. I saw. I saw for Steve. Clear out for Steve. I really got to figure out.

We got to figure out as a society what these jet packs are doing. It's all, it's one thing. it's a enormous pet peeve of mine. I only say this because I've played D&D for a while and I've had characters with wings and jet packs and the like and those things are very temperamental and you can only use them for a little amount of time. The fact that Boba and Mando were very much picking their spots

as to when they would use those jet packs in lieu of say being gunned down in the middle of the street out number 20 to 1 and not say flying around rooftop to rooftop, getting behind cover, doing things. My problem with these jet packs, we need something, even one thing, to indicate how they work, fuel-wise. If it's a recharge, if you need to refuel it,

if you can only use it in 20-second bursts, I need some clarification here, because at the end of Season 1 of Mandalorian, he's just straight up flying this thing willy-nilly, and in Book of Boba-Fet, he's seemingly only using it for 10 seconds. it's maddening to me. Why we wouldn't be using this more.

It's my biggest pet peeve that I've had throughout this show. And Mandalorian. Steve, you know what? We already brought up Battle of the Bastards in this episode, but if we learned anything about the bastards, you need to swerve. You can't run directly. You have to be a moving target, okay?

And while I was watching that, I'm like, why the fuck are these two people with Bessgar armor just standing in the middle of this place while they're getting shot? You cannot zig or zag. Like, you can't fly. You can't, you can't, like, jump roof to root. One of the top 10 quotes in your canon is about having the high ground.

Yeah, like, why? You got to, you fucking, you got to get on a rooftop, get behind some waist high cover or something. I thought they were going to stay up there when they started flying around and jet packs and shooting down. I thought they were going to stay up there. I thought we were going to see jet packing and warfare. He used the jet packs more, but he was using it like we talked about, like Star Wars Laura uses his jet shoes or whatever, like.

Which is fine. Like, if that's how they're used, then let us know that. Let us know that that's how they're used. Yeah, but I mean, I guess, like, you mentioned it. narratively, you could just, like, show a shot of, like, fuel or whatever. But, like, we know how these things goes. Give me the battery bar. That's all I mean.

Just give the battery bar. You can't just be flying up there at all time. They obviously run on some type of fuel. Mando has literally, we'll literally fly for miles in other episodes. But that's the thing. whether or not it's a cheat code or if it's something they don't know how to use, it's the fact that we don't know exactly how those work. Because if I could use that thing for three hours,

I'd use that, that entire fight. If I could only use it for 20 seconds, I'd use it in specific spots. To not know when to use it or not. I got to be honest with you, Steve. I kind of don't care. That's fine. I do. And that's my quarter flip.

That's my quarter flip. I got to be honest with you. Steve, this is some great A quarter flipping you're doing. I know it is. I know it is. Right, this is some grade A quarter flipping right now. Like,

I, this is the type of shit I like. I like, I like, I like this type of quarter flipping. This is so stupid. It's so dumb. We're so,

like, but I'm done it myself too. By the way, just to let you guys know, you guys think that we're bashing right now for content bullshit. When I came on here, Steve was hot.

Steve was hot about it. Steve was hot. Yeah. was mad. Steve and Jomey were going back and forth about, I didn't know. I'm like, yo,

what are we talking about? Steve was like, the fucking jet packs. I don't get it. I was like, for real? So this is it. This is the last thing I'll ask about the show.

Outside of the appearance of the Mandalorian. It's going to be so hard for you, Charles. Bastard. What was your favorite boba specific? element introduced in the book of Boba Fett, Charles. When they brought back Roguel. You said

I couldn't be the Mandalorian. All right. Okay. This is very upsetting. You know, you know, you didn't learn anything. You didn't like anything that you learned about Boba Fitt. No, I'm being an asshole. I'm being an asshole about it.

I honestly, like, it's not just because we're going to get them on the show. Black Cresanton. I love, I like, I just love the intro of that. It just, it's one of those things where I'm just like, oh, this is so cool. I want to see him in everything now. So yeah, Black Crescented is probably like up there, maybe tied with Cad Bain as well. But Cadbane is a little put a bad taste in my mouth because they killed him after two episodes. You guys, Steve, Jumby? Easily, Boba's connection to the Tuscan Writers. I thought it was great. It's a, it's a wonderful story about Boba kind of tapping into something. something that's bigger than himself and learning about family, about connection. It was the strongest part of the show before it grew into something a lot bigger. Yeah. Agreed.

Boba and the Tuscan Raiders was had a little special thing in my heart. And I'm sad that we didn't get too much time with it and how it ended really sucked. But that was a fun time in the series. At the end of the show, the show was about making Boba Fett human, right? It was about humanizing Boba Fett. I think that was the most important thing that they did in terms of humanizing him was to give him a connection to something that didn't have to do with him and Richard himself, which is why he didn't want the spice coming through his territory is because he actually cared for the people. And he cared for the people because the Tuscan Raiders taught him how to love.

Okay, you guys, speaking of Black Crescenton, coming up for you now, we have an interview with Kerry Jones, the actor who plays. plays Tupacca, Chupac, Chupac, or better known in Star Wars lore as Black Cresanta. We have that for you right now. It's time for 12 questions to midnight. We love this, something that we do it every time we bring a guest in. And today we are joined by one of the most feared gladiators in a galaxy far, far away.

All eyes were on Chupac throughout the season of the book of Bob Fet, and he did not disappoint. We'd like to welcome the man behind Black Crescenton and acclaimed actor, special effects guru, and makeup artists. Carrie Jones to the show. How are you doing, Carrie? Wow, what an intro, man, man.

I love it. I'm great. Thanks, you guys for having me, man. It's a pleasure. Very much your pleasure. So before we get into the little game we have for you, I wanted to ask, could you tell the audience some of the,

some of the movies you've worked on, because I was on your IMDB page and I was like, oh, this is like a nerds dream in terms of just everything you've been a part of. I mean, I've had a good run so far. Jurassic Park, Terminator, obviously the Walking Dead series and Watchmen, the TV series and Love Crab Country. I can't complain. Have fun with our predators. Had fun with all of them, man.

It was a blessing. You know, growing up as a huge fan of movie myself, to work on some of these is a dream come true, really. How many times have you suited up in a suit? Over 10, maybe 10, 15. You've been a predator. You've been Chupacca, obviously. Like, you're a pro at this.

Well, you know, every time you think you're a pro, something comes along that tells you that you're not. So I don't want to say it. You know, something's going to come along just be like harder than what I've done. But no, I mean, it definitely. definitely takes a certain type of person to be able to do it because it is it is essentially covering all your senses you know some fully your face some you know like like like crescent and you know it I have my eyes but but but then just having that on and just be able

to control you know your your heat temperature and just the physicality and you know I mean it takes a lot takes a lot of you know staying in shape and all that you know to be able to perform in a suit and a creature of things. And it translated through all that stuff that you got on. Yeah, I would imagine like how do you, like I watch the predator. I watched the predator last night in preparation for this

interview and I'm wondering, how does the predator act? You know what I mean? It's like, it's like the predator has to be predator. You can't act like a human, but there's really no species out there for you to really model it after or is there a species out there?

for you to model it after. Like, what do you do? No, I mean, for me, it might sound corny, but it was just like, honestly, it was the motivation. It was like, okay, so what is it a predator to do? You know, and on top of that, that made it a little bit easier for me

is that someone did it before me, Kevin Peter Hall, who played the original. It was a lot of watching what he did and taking a lot of the things that that he did and piggybacking off of that because the one thing that, at least me being, you know, I'm a, movie nerd and sci-fi nerd.

So a lot of times when I see new iterations of old creatures and it's not anything like that original one, it blows me up. You know what I mean? I want that nostalgia. You want to see what you saw before as a kid, seeing it again. So I think, I think really I watched what he did and how he reacted to things and how he pursued, you know, in some of those scenes. And I copied off some of that.

And then really in some of the scenes is just the motivation of the scenes. is just the motivation of the scene. You know, what, you know, what is he have to do? Because, because he's hunting and for predators, he's like a big game hunter. And big game hunters, you know, they don't, they want to make a meal out of it. They want it to be hard, you know, and just like the original predator, how he kind of takes off his gun and looks at Arnold and basically fights him hand to hand. Like, he wanted that conquest to conquer that guy, you know. And predators, that was, that was the motivation.

It was like, I'm not, I could shoot this guy from far away, but I want to get in close. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Sword fight him or or fist fight him or getting close with him. So that's really, really, you know, kind of the thought process. Yeah. So look, Kerry, we got the most deadly game in all the podcasts that coming up for you right now. Oh.

It's tough. This is a tough one. 12 questions at midnight, okay? This is where, uh, was what we do. Charles, why don't you tell Carrie what 12 questions of midnight is? All right. So we got 12 questions for you. I get six.

Van gets six. They get progressively harder each round. So are you ready to embark on this challenge? All right. Let's hit it. All right, Van, you go first. You got the first question. Okay.

We have nicknamed Black Chrysantis. A couple of different nicknames here. Okay. When we first saw him, we said he was the Tupac of Wookiees. All right. I like it. So these are the names that we. came up with, there is

Chupacca. There was just Wookiee Tupac. There was Tupac. Okay. These are the names. Also, Chupac.

You, Carrie Jones, gets to pick the definitive name, nickname for Black Crescented. Are you going with Wookie Tupac? Chupac. Chupac.

or Tupac? I already know it. I mean, Chupac is the one, man. That's dope. That's dope. Why were you said it? I said, that's it.

So that's it. That is it. For the rest of time, the name is now officially, Chupac, you did it. You did it, Carrie.

I could only assume in the suit, it gets pretty hot. You know, you're, you're, desert scenes may have you everything going on. Be real. How bad does the black or sand and suit smell after a day of work? Describe it to our audience. Well, listen, luckily, you know, I had some amazing people, some costume dressers that helped me die dying. Like, she took care of that. So

on a long day, you know, I was able to take it off and then walk away from it. So, You know, whatever smell that happened, she would probably be able to answer that question better to me, but I can only assume wearing a suit in the sun sweaty, it would be pretty, pretty rank. But they sanitize it. They clean it out every night after I'm done. Planet Wookie in Star Wars is like an amazing, amazing thing.

Of course, we all fell in love with Chubaca. We were kids. And Chubaca was played by Peter Mayhew. Okay. He was seven foot three. All right. How tall are you, Carrie? Six, seven.

Six foot seven. Now, the question I'm asking is, are you wearing lifts inside of the Chupac suit, the Chupac suit, to get you to seven three? Or are you more of a small forward wookie as opposed to being a wookie that's actually a sinner. Well, a little bit of both.

So, so, you know, if you look at the anatomy of Peter Mayhew's Tubaca, amazing man, great actor, he's a little bit more thin, you know. You look at my guy, you know, I got a little bit more kind of thickness to me and a lot of armor that I wear. But I do, I don't wear lips. It's just the normal, you know, the foot and a shoe in there. And then the head is kind of built out higher. So I think ultimately with everything on, I'm probably around 7-1, 7-2. Okay.

Definitely over 7 feet. Oh, all right. So in the community, there was a little bit of divisiveness. And by the community, I mean Van and I, where Boeufet was going out sad in a couple episodes. And part of that was you as Black Cresantin was whoop in some ass. Let's just put it that way. Personally, what do you say to all of the people? that think that maybe you should have pulled your punches

because you took Boba Fett and made him not look like the baddest bounty hunter in the universe? No, you know what? I mean, you know, if you think of anybody, heavy weighs the crown, there's always somebody on top that's going to try to get knocked off.

And I was trying to knock off the guy that was on top, you know, and again, because, you know, Crescandon is a gladiator, you know, he did years in the pit. But same thing I was saying with the predator. Like he didn't want to just, just, you know, outright kill him, right? To cat and mouse him to kind of bat him around a little bit, think that, you know, he can kind of get on his feet and bat him around again.

Like to tell that story is better than, hey, man, I stood up on the top of the thing and shot him. Like, I wanted to kind of punish him, you know, just get in there with my hands. And that's just what I'm used to hand-to-hand combat. I'm a gladiator. But I think, but I think, you know, the fact that he had a posse with him is what's surprised me. I thought I was going to be able to try to get in there and just beat him into submission and finally

have that final kind of death throat. But luckily, he had a posse going that kind of threw me. You know, I didn't know that. You know, it's almost like, you know, I know when you guys grew up, but it's almost like growing up in the hood and you're in a, you, you fighting, you know, one to one, which they

let you do one to one. But the moment that their boy is getting getting hands on them, then you jump in. I'm going to let you get that one-to-one, but I don't let you get my voice, so then you get in. Got to jump in. It's like, yo, hey, hey, hey, they're going ahead up. They're going ahead up.

They're going ahead up. They're going ahead up. Hey, jump in, we jump in. Exactly, exactly. So, wait, Kerry, so you're telling me on record that Boba don't want the smoke in a one-to-one with you. He can't. I mean, we saw it. He can't.

He can't. I mean, let's be real, you can. Not under one-to-one. I love how Carrie six, seven, swollen as hell, acting like he didn't get jumped. Yeah, we jump in you, Carrie. Like, you two, like, yeah, like, yeah. We're like, we're jumping you, like, yeah. We're jumping you, for show.

Like, no, hey, man, get him by his legs. All right. We got what we always didn't know that we wanted. It's a black wookie. Okay, and there's one scene where we're in the sanctuary. He's in the sanctuary. rest in peace of the sanctuary. He's in the sanctuary

and he's seeing some Trondotians, who we of course know enslave the wookies back in the day. He doesn't like them. I don't like transosuali. He's slavers.

He's drinking and getting just messed up enough to go over there and dismember some trandotions. My question to you is as a black wookie, what does he drink? Does he drink,

A, crowd B Hennessy or C Duce what is he drinking to get him all

turned up to go and kick some Trandotian ass well listen I mean I mean if it was if they if if they have that sort of

drink in in Tatooine in the bar I think it it would be definitely Hennessy Definitely Hennessy.

I mean, I mean, usually you, usually you sip it. I mean, he was, he was like, he was chugging it. He was chugging. He was a wookie. Kerry, he's a wookie. I was just about to say, but he's a big dude, right? Yeah. Big.

So a sip ain't getting it, man. You know, maybe he started sipping and he wasn't getting, because, you know, sometimes, you know, whatever you're drinking or whatever, and it's like, you take a sip, and you're like, man, I'm trying to get my stuff. Like, this ain't happening fast enough. So you just started drinking bigger gulps, bigger gulps. You know what I mean? Like, you know, he was, you know, he just got betrayed, you know, he was a man without a mission.

And that he was sitting in there just trying to, you know, drink his sorrows away. And then he'd see these Trandotians in there. And then just his anger grew. So he was taking sips. And all of a sudden he was like, all right, I'm getting more mad and just saying get me drunk enough. So he just starts chugging it. And the first time you saw, you know, we've talked about it many, many years about Wilkes ripping arms out.

and the first time you actually see it. I actually see it happen. Okay, okay. All right, this one, I want to know. When did you know that Mando, Grogu were coming back? Did like, Faloni, did Favro? Did any of them, like, pull your side on set and be like, yeah, we about to fuck shit up, all right?

Don't tell anyone, but, like, they ain't expecting it. Luke is coming back. Or did you learn when all of us learned? No, well, I was there those days. So they keep everything, everything just close to the best, man. Like, even with the scripts, like you get your scene. Oh, jean else. So, so, you know, yeah, you, so I don't, a lot of times I don't know it was coming before or after.

I just know the context of what I got to do in my character's journey, but all the other stuff I don't see. But, but, but the time that was shot, I was on set. So that's how I saw it. Like, I didn't know beforehand. They didn't so, hey, this is what's coming. You know, you find out when you're on the set. I mean, it's, you know, even with a lot of the other, a lot of the other actors, you know, like Jennifer Bills, like we hadn't met until we were shooting that scene.

She actually finished what she had to do the day before. She came the set just to meet me just, you know, so we can meet. And then we shot our scene the next day. But previous to that, you know, I had no idea. she had no idea. So they're so secretive that they don't want information to get out that you just, a lot of times you don't know until you're there, you know, and you see it. You're like, and me as a fan, I'm like, oh, damn, there he is.

Oh, there. Okay. This is real now. And in a rancor, you know, I came in one day and I saw him sitting there. And I'm like, that is a rancor, man. It's dope, you know, that's what's happening. So, yeah, no, a lot of that I found out the day of, you know, when I was. when I showed up on set.

I have to ask you this question. In the Mandalorian, we don't really see the Pedro Pascal as much as we see the armor walking around and a voice coming out of it. There are some people who have said that because of that,

the names of the actors that are actually inside of the suit itself should do get a lot more credit for their performance than they are currently getting. Okay? And that Pedro Pascal, who basically can voice his scenes on a Learjet going from Los Angeles to England to do some other movie. He's great.

We all love him. I love Pedro Pascal, just being funny. But that the actors who are actually doing the physical work inside of the Mandalorian suit should get more credit. what do you, a guy who doesn't get to get his face seen, but has to bring a character to the life, think about that, people who would say that. Well, what I will say is,

well, Tamara actually was there a lot. I mean, even days with the head on, he was there. He was there quite often, be honest with you. And he did, once more, he did a lot of his stunts. I mean, I was like, yo, do your, do your, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, when, I yanked him out of the back of tank, you know, that was him land there that I picked up

out of there, you know, and the bear hug, that was him, you know, I was physically holding him. There wasn't no wires there that was me holding his weight and bear hugging him and not duping it out. Like he was there and a lot of that fight, you know, so, so tomorrow was there, man, he was in it. And Mingna, I mean, she's there too. She, she did a ton of her stuff, you know, um, that for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, Brandon. Brandon Wayne, yeah. John Wayne's grandson.

Yeah, man, he's great. You know, he has a swagger and he has the, yeah, yeah, you know what? I think, I think it all, I think, listen, I think you need it all for the character to come to life. You know, Pedro's voice and just his tone, I think, I think definitely brings a lot to it. But yeah, no, Brandon's awesome. And I think, yeah, I mean, having those guys out there more and people saying their names, I think is important for sure. Yeah.

All right. So I'm going to be real. If my black ass was on the set of Book of Obofa Fett and I saw Grogu like, I'd make a dash. I'm going. I'm hugging him. I might try to steal him. Did you ever get to see baby Yoda?

Did you try to like dab him up? Are they like, whoa, whoa, top secret can't touch him. No one around baby Grogu. You know, he got his own tent to himself. No, yeah, he was there, man. chilling a couple days and I kind of came over to them and and yeah we had we had our moment you know made me what was that like really there were people that were there maybe there was EPK there maybe there might be a picture who knows but but yeah no we we were we were standing

next to each other and and messing around for a bit for sure so look you get the call you're going to be in star wars right there's something you have to do there's something you have to deal with Star Wars fans. This is different. This is different, Kerry. No, I get it. I am one, though. Just for the record. Oh, we all. We all are,

but we know that they can be savage. Oh, for sure. For sure. You know, we talked about on this episode a little bit how they did a real cool guy named A La Best when he was Jar Jar Binks. Did you have any thoughts? Was there

any shookness about oh for sure man about what it was going to be like to bring a new character to the Star Wars fan for sure that was my first thought you know I mean it was you know when they were like hey man because at first I didn't even know I honestly didn't even know that it was Crescent and I did they mention they said wookie but I didn't put it together you know you someone says

hey you want to be in Star Wars you just say yes like like you know and then once we went to that of auditioning and and and and and and and and and and and putting things on um and I put the head on for the for the first time and saw myself in the mirror it literally was like like like like like I can't mess this up yeah I mean like like like if I go out there and I messed this up like that's that's that's almost forever like that's and people are going to have what you know they're going to make comments and things like that and it voracious dude and I know because like I said I'm one of them And I'm one that probably said a few things about other characters for other movies.

So I think about, hey, what would I say? You know, and it's like, yeah, no, that was a huge. I would say for a solid two, three weeks, I was terrified. I was terrified, man. And it really was like, okay, so how am I going to walk? How am I going to look? What is going to be my thing? What is going to be my swagger?

Like, I can't. And I would just constantly do it, constantly over and over again. And then I work with Robert Rodriguez, and, you know, he was like, all right, man, you know, what, what kind of are you thinking? And I'd do it and he goes, oh, that's great. You know, I love that look. You know, when you do this, that's great. When you do that, you know, so he kind of, you know, picked off things that he liked to, you know, that I was trying out. So, and then, of course, you know, Favre would come in and he'd walk in when we were setting up shots. And he was like, how are you going to come in here? Or what are you going to do? So I'd show him. And he'd like, all right, that's dope. You know, and I get that. their signoffs and it kind of made me feel a little more right ease. But yeah, nah, man, for the first few weeks, even maybe a month, I was just messed up. Like, I was, I didn't even want to talk about it.

I was like, I can't. You know what I mean? I told my family, and they're like, oh, my God, that's great. And I was like, all right, okay, don't, don't talk about it. I can't, I got to, you know, come to grips with this. And I'm terrified because if I messes up, and I even said it to Favro, like, because I think, like, the first time I was all in him

and like, you know, we saw him for the first time on set. I was a little method. I didn't really, I didn't talk at all. I stayed away from each other. I had a little chip on my shoulder. It was turning my back on people and being a bully kind of a thing, kind of standing character. And then when I told John after that, I was like, dude, I did that because I didn't want to fuck it up. Like, I didn't want to, I didn't want them to look at him from the first time and say, oh, my, he's soft like, you can't do this, you know?

So even that first day, I didn't sleep the night before. It was intense. It was intense. You're saying you're a Star Wars fan, and I hate to ask you this question, but I have to. Black Crescentine, what are your top five Star Wars movies or TV shows? Top five. We can start from five, go to one. It could be any movie or any TV show. I would say Empire, because that was the first one I saw in a theater. and then New Hope, of course.

The original trilogy is always going to be at the top, you know. So it would be Empire, New Hope, Jedi. And then it would just be after that, honestly, man, it would be Mandalorian. That show has, like, blew my mind. Like, to me, it's the closest to that original that you can get. And then even then, even then I think, you know, like Force Awakens, I like. So, yeah, it would be, you know, Empire,

A New Hope, Jedi, Mandalorian, and probably Force Awakens, you know. I noticed something that we talked about in the show is that one of the mods, did you get a chance to hang out with the mods? For sure, yeah. One of the mods, the black kid. Jordan, yeah.

Jordan had a full fade in a lineup in tattooing. This is me honest. we've seen various different styles of brothers hair in Star Wars which has made us question whether or not there were black barbershops in the galaxy Landau had his hair out there the other Landau had it grown out

Finn had a buddy cut love you but that was a buddy straight up Finn had a buddy he was cut to his with a knife I could tell and so my question is And you have to answer this question. Was this mod, Jordan, was he cutting his own hair in some new way? Or is there a black cultural barbershop somewhere in MosESPA that we don't know about?

All right. So if you look outside now, right? If you go outside, I don't care where you are, go outside, look around at your brothers and sisters. Now, there's some people that got it tight and some people that don't, right? Right. They all go to somewhere. Right.

They all go somewhere. Right. But this dude may go to somebody that might have had a few sips to Kavis Abafuri. Cut somebody's hair, you might have this other person that went to somewhere else that had to give, that overbooked themselves. And so, you know, they had to rust through one hairdo to get to the next one.

So yes, there are shops there. And, you know, who knows the circumstance, you know what I mean? And plus he had one eye with that thing on it. So maybe he got cut his hair kind of couldn't understand how to coordinate. Or maybe he cuts his own hair and his death perception is a little off. Or that's not. Yeah. And he's like, oh, me just, I'm going to keep the size alone.

Hold on for a second. We missed something. This is a long, long time ago. the galaxy far and far away. Maybe he invented the fade. He might be the first dude ever with the fade. It is possible. It's possible.

It would kind of be interesting to know that they know how to kind of replace limbs and body parts that, but they can't figure out how to come. I don't know if I can rectify that in my mind. You can have your arms severed off and I can give you a fully robotic human human. in hand, but I can't do hair. I don't know. All right, so this is my last question. So let's say Faloni, Favro, they come to you and they're like, all right.

You can pitch us on Black or Santon being in any TV show or any movie. It could be on the slate or not. But you as a Star Wars fan, what are you picking? What's your shot? Where are you being like, I want Black or Sandin. And this type of story and this. type of movies and next to this type of character? Honestly, man, I think there's enough story for him to be kind of in his own thing.

You know, I mean, I know that he has a thing with Dr. Afra, but if you look at kind of the history of the character, I mean, just from being exiled from his planet and then again being being captured and being a warrior. I mean, when I was kind of coming with the character in my mind, you know, honestly, even on set in some of these fight scenes, I was always thinking about like, like, Conan, you know, kind of the same storyline, right? He's this guy that got basically sold in the slavery. He got turned into his war.

He got thrown into a pit. And all he did was fight. And when he got to the point where he beat up and killed every single person he could, they were like, all right, you're free. Go do your thing. And he has the same storyline. He was in this pit fighting gladiators, beating everybody. And even, you know, Garza says that.

Like, you were in the pit. You beat everybody, everybody. And then he was like, all right, you're done. And then, you know, decided to come with Bonnie Hunter and align himself with the wrong people. He's done time with Vader and Java and he, you know, he fought Chewy and Solo. He fought Obi-W-W-W-W-W-N. That's how he got a scar on his face. I mean, his story goes, goes, you know, through every other canon characters.

So I think, you know, there's something big there for sure. A gladiator type series would be amazing. That would be so dope. I mean, he gets, at one point he gets, he gets kind of like, Wolverine, he gets metal injected into his, into his fists. So there's a lot of stuff there. I mean, because the more and more I look at him and read stuff, I'm like, man, there's like, you know,

and then he's riding with, like I said, Dr. Affir for a while, and then they go on their adventures. It's like a whole, a whole thing, information that you could turn into whatever you want, I think for either a series or a movie. It's amazing. I can't wait. I can't wait to see more too much.

I'll tell you straight up, the first time we saw him in live action, I was like, Jesus Christ, that's the coolest-looking character we've seen. For real. Star Wars is a mess. Look, Carrie, you survived. 12 questions to midnight.

You survived 12 questions to midnight. And we learned so much more about you and so much more about the character of Crescenton. What do you else you have coming up? now. You're all the biggest show on television, but what else should we look out for you? And are we even going to recognize you when we see you again? Like, what else you got going on? Well, I mean, I do have stuff going on, but unfortunately, now I can't divulge it. I'll say that Oh. Yeah. Oh, why are you going to do us like that? I can't. I want to. I want to, but I can't. I can't. I can't say it.

I mean, it's- Carrie, who are we going to tell? That was good. That's a good try. I was about saying. Well, brother, we'll be happy to see you. And whenever you do this big secret thing, I'm sure it's going to be one of these big, huge blockbusters. We hope that you'd come back on and talk to us again, man.

Oh, for sure, man. You guys are great. Yeah, thank you. Okay, so that is a wrap. Once again, thanks to Kerry Jones for joining us. Friday, House of Our Returns with their deep dive with the season finale of Boba Fed. Monday, Charles,

Joanna and me will give our reactions to the, to Saul. Okay, we'll give our reactions to all of the news and trailers that dropped during the Super Bowl, a special Super Bowl wrap-up show. We're going to be full of Koso. We're going to be telling you guys about that. Producer credits. Our producer is Steve Almond Joy, the cuddly sacked of his bear. Jolmi, Adiron, is on socials.

He is the explainer. You've got questions. He's got answers. Hashtag free Jemie on social media. An additional production is from Arjuna, Rob Gapal. Charles, please take us out. The book of Boba Fett is over here on the Midnight Boys. We like our Wookieies Black.

And shout out to Sixth, Steve. He needs to know a lot more about these fucking jetbacks. So Charles, just not where they were on this, do you want to revisit the conversation that we had about Luke Skywalker? Now that we know that Luke Skywalker is top five most problematic Star Wars characters. Whoa, he's still behind his daddy. And if we want to be real, we want to be real. Obi-Wan Kenobi was an whole asshole in Phantom of the Mentis.

He hated Anakin. Like he was just like, nah, leave this old boy. Like, fuck this little boy. The whole time, okay? You know why? You know why? You know why? because the little boy had evil in him.

That's why. Because it's like that. How about that? Whoa, right, right. It's like, you know why? You know why?

Because there was too much uncertainty. Hey, I can't see the little boy's future. Hey, like the little boys, you know what? And Ike's like, hey, you know, we got, Obi-Wan's like, we got other shit to do, okay?

We got shit to do. This is a little motherfucker this is put a drag on us. Can't really bother with him, all right? Leave them. Leave him down here. Whoa.

Let him poverty. Do you know what you want to not think at any point? No one in that movie think, hey, guys, not the smartest thing to do to take one of the most powerful little toddlers in the entire universe and say, hey, fuck your mom. Come with us. Okay? And then when the kid comes with you, everybody's like, actually he's a little evil. Don't train him. Fuck him.

But don't let him go back to his mom. Like, come on. We're going to get back to Boba Fett, but I will say this. You know deep in your heart. right now. You know deep in your heart that Luke Skywalker ain't shit. You know he's not.

You know he's not. You know Luke Skywalker ain't shit. As Soka told him he's not shit to his face. So much like your father. That was a diss. I'm down. I'm like, I'm not going to lie. The Luke faction is down bad.

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