The Ringer-Verse - 'The Boys' Ep. 4 and 'The Acolyte' Ep. 4 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

The Supes and the Jedi battle it out, and the Midnight Boys are here to break it all down! First, jump into the messy drama of 'The Boys' and see what the boys think about Homelander confronting his past (06:50). Then, see how strong the force is with the latest episode of 'The Acolyte' and how the mystery unfolds (53:57). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Jonathan Kermah, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject trumphia, proper training is required. Tramphia is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them, and liver

problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Tramphia today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfairadio.com. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and making a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer unless you hit the beach or go camping. Then you'd want a cargo liner or a road trip goes sideways, ketchup goes rogue, ice cream drips. Yeah, you'd be pretty happy about those WeatherTech seat protectors.

So just to be clear as the mud, you're inevitably going to step into the summer. You don't need WeatherTech unless you plan on doing summer. Visit weathertech.com today. Welcome my! Enter the Ringiverse. This is, of course, The Ringers' Nexus' feed for all things, fandom. We are.

You want me to expand our dinner on? You've got questions and got answers. We are. Steve, the architect, almond, the builder, and tinker of things. We are. Old Man Van. He of the receding resurgent hairline. We are Coke baby Chuck, a 24-carat closer,

a.k.a. the brunch haughty. Together, we are known as The Midnight Boys. All right Got follows on socials Insta Twitter, Facebook, TikTok For now Save Jummi's job

You guys Elon had a really bad tweet today I mean all his tweets are bad What do you say? You know how he'll like Post an exclamation point And then you gotta like Dogecoin goes up for no reason

Well then you got to like It's a reply to a tweet Then you like scroll up and look at the tweet And it's like the worst tweet you've ever seen Yeah He had one of those today What was the tweet? It was about

But uh, Jesus Christ, it was somebody was like, yeah, you know how things have changed as the 1950s. You know, in the 1950s, black people used to murder white people at this amount of rate. And now in 2024, they are, they kill white people in an even more higher rate. And Elon was like, yes, I co-signed that. Yeah. Wow. God. It's like, so.

Why would you say that? Why would you start the show off like that, bro? I don't feel like, I'm all discussing. You got a bad. I mean, that's my op. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, you know.

It's tough situation. You guys, might be on threats. We're now on YouTube. You can watch every Midnight Boys House of Our Top the Thrones all on YouTube. I think the launch has been stunning. Spectacular. Thank you for all the support. People are really excited.

People are really excited. People are excited. They're like, oh my God, it's the Midnight Boys. They're saying that. Exactly, just like that. All right, they love it. They love Mal and Joe. They love us.

They love CR. It's going great. We're so excited. You know who's really excited? Arjuna. Arjuna has been around here. Like, you know, Arjuna works so hard, you guys. He's skipping through the halls.

Different stuff happening. But this is Arjuna's moment. He's around here, like, motherfucking Jerry Brookheimer, Kevin Feige. He is the producer. You know what I mean? I mean, the people can't see him yet, but he's been eye in Kerm's Kerm C. Kerm filed a HR complaint for you always calling him

outside of his name. And we have a new, we have a new producer, too. We got to get him a baseball hat with a cool logo on it. What about Kerm? No, no, no, well, Arjuna, because he's our Kevin Fike. Should I give Arjuna a nickname as I gave Kerm in the same vein?

No. Please do not. Please do not. No. Please do not. He's already thinking. Coming soon. A very offensive nickname.

I don't love that. Van like. Don't love it. It'll happen. Also, the Ringerverse will be live at the El Rade Theater this summer in L.A. We'll be there on July 17th. Dr. Thrones will be there on June 25th. That's coming up.

Yeah, man. Check out ringer.com events for more information. People are asking me to do stuff and go host stuff and do different stuff. I'm trying to see whether or not I'm going to actually be there at the live show. I don't think, well, you kind of have to be there. What are we going to have to do to get you? What's in the writer for the live? show. Ice queen. I like ice queen. When people ask me what I have in my rider is just ice cream.

I just have ice cream. No like green M&Ms, just green M&Ms. Just so you know they're paying attention. Yeah. Let me some ice cream. What kind of ice cream you all like? Honestly, I know free ads. I went to a great ice cream place the other day and I had an amazing sorbet. What is it called like Swanisias ice cream and Compton? You want a shout out to the season? They had a great sorbet. I'll say that. I bet they did. An amazing show. Amazing sorbet. That sounds sexual. You was all up in somebody's sword. You're a freaky-ass niggins.

Honestly, you know who Steve is? Steve's the deep when he saw Sussex. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow. Steve is so the deep. It's a spectrum, bro. Did you get bricked up during that scene?

You're like, yo, Sister Sage. I can give you a lunch. Every Tuesday and Thursday, House of Arn, we'll dive into the House of the Dragon and the Akelyte. Every Monday and Thursday, the Midnight Boys will give you their reactions to Hot D. Thursday for the boys. as an acolyte. Every Sunday, Talk the Thrones

will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D. N's. The content carnacopia is upon us, guys. You know what I mean? We're in the middle of it. On today's show, we're doubling up. Episode four of the boys, episode four of

the Acolyte. One of the most talked about shows on television right now is talking about it. They're talking about it. I mean, that and the boys, here's the thing. The insales have time. This week. God damn.

It's a thriving time. All right, spoiler warning for the boys and all of Star Wars content. We're getting ready to talk about the boys. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. To begin our reactions,

got to put you in a note. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest for the Boys episode four. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for the Boys. Wisdom of the Age is directed by Phil. Suresia written by Jeff All. Homelander travels back to the lab that created him

and begins torturing all the scientists who performed grisly experiments on him as a child. And he strikes a deal with the president to help get his soups legislation bill passed. But Vaught is throwing a firecracker hosted Fox Newsex special to undermine the hero. During the special butcher, now working with the boys again, reveals to Firecracker that he has information

on her sleeping with the 15-year-old boy when she was 28. Demotic and undeterred, Firecracker releases Andy's medical records, revealing that she recently had an abortion. Angry, and he attacks Firecracker on live TV, which scuttles the deal with the president. Facing the imminent death of his father, Huey convinces A-Train to steal compound B, which he's going to use to resurrect his dad. Butcher tries to stop, Huey, but is unsuccessful. Back at the lab, Homelander comes face-to-face with the boss lady who was in charge of

the facility. She reveals that Homelander was powerful enough to break out of the lab at any time as a child, but Vaugh experimented on him, bringing in the world's best psychologist to make him highly susceptible to create acceptance from humanity. And that was a very long midnight manifest for the boys, but a lot of shit happened. A lot going on in the episode. A lot going on in the episode. Chuck, where you at?

I'm not going to do my usual, like, high-minded TV critic thing. This is more I'm appealing to you guys. I'm trying to work through. Right, because that bit is bullshit. No, they're like, I watched this very, very late at night. And I was like, I think, maybe emotionally, I'm just not, this might have been the episode that just did too much. Like, crossed the line to live like.

Okay. That's interesting because I think a lot of people are going to really like it. But I'm interested because a lot, because a lot does happen. And it is an episode where for some people, maybe too much would happen. Yeah. It's heavy. It is more. So I'm not even talking like this was, I think Anthony Star like first and foremost just gave one of the best.

It's a fantastic. It is when he, the show. shot, like there's so many iconic shots, but like the shot of him bloody in the elevator, and the smile he cracks is just a level of acting. I have to shout him out. He was fantastic. But I, I ain't going to lie. Sometimes you don't know your line until it's crossed. And when a home, he went into the oven and we had to see him burnt to a crazy. That's really tough. When, when the, when Homelander made the other scientists jerk off in front of everybody and he lasered off his nuts, seeing Trader Joe's Aquaman,

lobotomized like a black woman. And then, like, it just, there was just so many moments in this episode where I was like, ah. Oh, I said. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Lobotomize a black woman. You woke fucking ranger.

What show have you been watching for the last? I'm about to put on my in-sale hat now. Call me Van from Turtippoint USA. He literally does that. She asked him to. Okay, and I can't Are you saying that a black woman Can't have a kink where she has

A half fucking Whale nigger Lobanerbottomize? This show is so weird, guys. It's such a weird. It was just like, there was so many guys I was like, oh, right, man. Okay, well, hold on a minute.

Okay, so wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm fuck with Charles, but it is a lot of shit. Like, it's, it's too much. There's a lot. I don't think it's too. It wasn't too much for me. but for, it was for Kalika. Yeah, all right.

We can handle it. What was she out on? What was the thing that did? Calico was like, where are they gonna, are they gonna just be regular? They just gonna be regular? I was like, what? She was like, it wasn't that for her.

It was the jerking off. And they were raising off with the costume. She's like, God damn. I guess they gotta keep ratcheting it up, but they just gonna, like, are they ever gonna have like a regular show? Is wild to know of what standards and practices go on? in the writer's room at the boys.

There's none. No, because I'm just like, all right, what do we got to think of this time? So they meant boys. How did you feel about the episode then? Are you more in line with Charles's method of thinking or? Go ahead, Joan. It's a little in the middle. Like, there's, I know what I, I know what I signed up for and I watch the boys, right?

Somebody's going to get their dick lasured off, right? Like, there's going to let be some crazy. Somebody guys is going to get his arm, frozen, and then broken into pieces. Like, that stuff is, you know, I don't want to say part for the course, but I know what I'm getting when I watch the boys. I think the scene that got me the most is probably the the Frackacker Annie scene. Like that scene, like, that's, come on, man. Like, that's the kind of stuff where it's like, wow.

Like, that's a lot. Like, that's really a lot. It's really a lot. Honestly, I was like, there's a moment in that, like, that moment where's the rest of her team, like, supporting her and, like, trying to be like, okay, calm down because this is just clearly rage bait to trick you and to beat. her up. Yes, but at the same time, I'm like,

Annie, you gotta do what you gotta do. I get it. So, look, this is what I'll say. I loved the episode. Yeah. And, but I do see what you guys are saying. I really do see what you guys are saying. So this to me is the reason

is the way that the show works. So the grizzly stuff in the show, it's always been there. And in the past, there have been some things that have been done in the boys that it's just for spectacle. Yeah. The whale thing, like, you know what I mean?

That's just for spectacle. So you read through shit, the whole or, The thing I'll say about this episode, though, is almost everything that happens in this episode that borderlines, like, too grisly are super hard to watch, is undergirded by this incredibly emotional and well-acted stuff.

The homelander scene is... It's hard to watch. Him torture everyone and know that, but it's so well played. It's well played with the way that they react to him when they see him. they know that death has just walked into the room and they're trying to appeal

to the better nature of a being that does not have a better nature. A being that has been completely stripped and robbed of his humanity. And even at the end, when the last lady, who he has some feeling of subjugation or he has a feeling of authority for her,

like she seems like an authority figure, like almost in a motherly way, when she comes in, he just barely reverts because he still wrecks everybody. He spares her, but he traumatizes her, almost maybe worse than anybody else. So I think that the scene, even though there's a lot of grisly, terrible things that happen,

I think the scene works because it's supposed to be hard to watch because they're trying to impart to you, like a part on you, should I say, just how tough his upbringing was. I don't, like, you're, I think you're right. The scene that, I mean, Again, we've watched the boys for, what, three and a half seasons now. I've been watched pretty much everything, straight face, but like, ooh, that's tough.

But it's all been straight. The one scene where I, like, legitimately had to turn away and cover my eyes was the lobotomy scene. That was nuts. Yeah, I don't like stabbing shit. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I don't like the eye stuff. Talk about that scene, Charles, and, like, what bothered you about it?

All right. So I think before I talk about that scene, I want to take a wider lens because Eric Kripke has been very open about the fact that, like, I am not making a show for incels. I think he's been very, very forward about that, especially as this season, I think a lot of people, this is the most, this is the season that is probably the most overt with kind of the mission statement. But if you were just a deep watcher, this was always baked into the show.

Yeah. So I think the thing about the sister sage scene that I don't feel like works is that, A, as a character right now, I don't know if she's. seems that fleshed out to me, where it's like she is supposed to be the smart as being on the planet and the best way that she can deal with her debilitating

superpower, which is the fact that her brain is always growing, is to give herself a lobotomy, look at fucking not Aquaman, and be like, hey, if you do this for me, I'll fuck you and we'll watch Kim K and Ray J. It was just like a scene that I was just like, I get what you're going for.

there is a place, there's a way that this scene can work, but I don't actually know if the show has laid enough track for me to either A, care or B, feel like it was as tastefully done as it might have been in other seasons. And I know it's got to like, I mean, if you're looking for things tastefully done, you're at the wrong show. No, because I think, I think that actually undermines something that I think at its best. The show does really, really try to be, like, to some things are just grizzly. And then other times like, hey, even.

if I think that the homelander scene went too far for me, going with what we know historically of homelander, I'm like, narratively, this makes sense. Oh, absolutely. Narratively, I can see, wow, how this is kind of like one of the final moments of this character in this show,

going back to where he was born and just seeing the place that shaped him into a monster. With the sister sage stuff, I was just like, I get it, it's comedy, sometimes it doesn't work, I'm not going to boo-hoo about it. But it just didn't feel earned to me. This is going to be a bit of an odd comp, but when I saw that lobotomy scene, I thought of the, uh, Captain America, my cells metabolized so much so I can't get drunk.

Like, this is her kind of like needing to take the edge off of this weird fucked up situation that she's in. Because like, what was the scene that we saw her in just before this? Where like the deep, like, tries to put a move on her and she's like not fucking having it. Earlier in the episode. Earlier in the episode. Like, there's kind of a reason why she's like reverting back to, why, why, the smartest person in the world is doing this dumb shit is because she's still human. It humanizes her.

And she wants to feel a bit more human, even for the sake of just like, okay, I need to literally knock out a part of my brain just to feel nice. Yeah, it's like what we like, you come home from a long day at work and you put on like a trash television show. Yeah. And how many times do we hear jokes about this online or things about like, you know, lobotomies and all these things. Like it's a weird like discourse that we've.

come to where, like, do we purposely lobotomize ourselves sometimes for the sake of entertainment? Is that TikTok? I mean, I get the too much. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Serious question.

Are you holding this character to a different standard because she's a black one? No, I'm more so I'm holding the story too because I do think something that I'm always preaching is like, I think we have a tendency because there's not a lot of black women or queer characters or anything, Muslim, whenever, when those characters are in a show, we almost treat them, we try to protect them. We don't want to break them.

We treat them like glass. Like, they have to, well, they're a role model, and they have to do this, and they have to be good, because little black girls are watching this and did it. I don't agree with that. I'm just like humans are nuanced. It was more so that I'm like, for such a loaded type of, like, metaphor is like, hey, not only is the smartest being in the world a woman, she's a black woman. and even earlier in the show,

Firecracker says, like, well, oh, you're like one of the good ones. Like, the show is doing it's like, it knows what it's doing. It knows what it's doing. I'm just like, oh, for such kind of a loaded scene where it's like this is what a black woman has to do, the smartest black woman and just smart as being in the world has to do to basically feel human. I'm just like, I just don't know if the scene works for me.

I don't know if it's, I get, the scene working is one thing, but this is the deal. So, um, Take A-Train, for example, who has been our black character in this show, besides M-M-M-M as a soup for a while. A-Train's story in the show is very typical in terms of black athlete. He is continuously proven that he's the fastest, right? He's using his body in that way. He starts taking a drug to do that.

He has heart problems. When you look at it, they really kind of take the... I guess the archetype, the societal archetype of a black man, a black male athlete, they deconstructed, make him a soup, give him all of these crises of conscious. And that's the framework in which they tell the story of the character, even the movie that they have them in. The thing that got me about Sister Sage is the black woman I talk to, and I would love to have a sister on the podcast right now, I don't want to speak for them.

they often talk about the fact that in order to be in the world in a specific way and have a lot of fun and sometimes meet guys and sometimes just like to listen to some of the hip hop music that we listen to that is really misogynistic and violent to be with some of these guys who have these views they have to lobotomize themselves in a way they have to kind of act like the thing that is in front of them is not the thing that they know that it is. And that's kind of the thing that they run up against. Now, I doubt that Eric Kripke is writing this from, you know, Jamela Lemieux's point of view. Shout out to Jamela Lemieux and Tiffany Dina Lofton and all my friends, Tiffany Cross and all of them. I doubt that, and Rachel, I doubt that he's writing it through that. But I thought that what the boys takes is that type of idea

and then overdoes it in this really grotesque way. They've always done that. and they kind of did it with her, but I am talking to a lot of people that have problems with that scene, and I'm telling you, they have problems with the scene. I'm not saying that you necessarily,

they don't like seeing that sister depower herself for the deep. It's uncomfortable for them. But is she doing it for the deep or is she doing for herself and just letting him play home? I think she's doing it for herself and he just happened to come upon her

at the right time. Yeah. They just don't like it. They like the better. when she looked at the deep and was like, I am great at quantifying, but you are unattractive to me in a way

that I can't quantify. That's what they like. This other part, I'm telling you for a lot of people they agree with Charles. It was tough. I guess the base level of her, I mean, I guess you know, you kind of said it, but her turning her brain off to

sex with a white man is not not what people want. So can I ask this also? Because I sometimes I think people might be harsher on the scene and maybe I'm harsher on the scene because I don't actually think the boys has served its black characters

that well. Where it's like, even in this episode, it's like, butcher is back on the team. You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't get, like, to what end, actually? Like, why did Eminem just bring them back like that?

Yeah, but they always need him. Like, he'll always just come back. It's his fucking show. I get it. But there's a level of like A-Train is kind of whack. The deep is kind of whack. They're all kind of whack. Everybody's kind of whack.

I mean, yeah, but it's hilarious, but they're all kind of whack. I do sometimes feel like, as a black person, I'm like, damn, you've got three black characters getting underserved on the show. So you're saying, and we got to end on your shit, bro. You know what? You niggas will never be happy. We gave y'all a show with the diversity

as you wanted. We gave you Mao, we gave you Mao. We gave you a black Nick. You gave you. I might be a little radical, because Kevin Feige, Disney, get blade happening. Come on. Like,

what's that? This is Joe. Yee, ye, ye. They found a way to kill a vampire. They didn't even need... Nice. They didn't even need steaks.

They didn't need sunlight. They didn't need a silver bullet. God. All they needed was... All they needed was scripts. They found a way to kill a Daywalker, baby. Could have just got some garlic. Put that fucking script up in front of a rehearsal,

and that bitch was like, I didn't need it. Should we honestly, I want to make some bets. When do you think we're getting the mehertla's exit? It's not going to. It's not happening. It's not happening.

It's not going out. I don't even think they want to make that bitch. Also, Wesley, yo, Snipes got a chill. Yeah, Wesley fucking with these people, man. Wesley going crazy. Too much. All right, let's not veer off. Let's get back to the bitch.

Okay. So, but let's get a real chunk of this talking about what this scene means for Homeland. This is, it's not, this is not brutality we haven't seen for Homeland. Exactly. Yeah. And we've seen it before. But it is a level of intimate brutality. Yeah.

It's, it's cathartic. It's, it's cathartic. Yes. And it's almost sad. It's very sad. And I put it in a way of like emotional wheel spinning. from him. Right. Because again, the reverence that he

treated that woman at the end with, like, she had the like she had the gall to challenge him and say, no, I'm not going in that room. Say it out here with everybody else. And he's like, no, we're going in that room. Like, even like, the full sentence that she had more

than anybody else to challenge him means that he had a lot over him when he was a kid. And he keeps correcting them. He's like, it's Homelander. Not John. It's Homelander. and every time that she brings this sort of like authority to him that he will listen to and still be angry about, but he's trying to find answers.

And he knows that he's not even going to get them. But like he's trying to feel that thing that's going to want him to feel better. And often when we, like in my experience, when you try to confront those things out of like anger and malice and not actual understanding, but like just revenge or a purely emotional state, you don't get the full healing that you need.

And it seems like he's trying in a very abstract way to find a way to heal. And the only way that he knows is... Retribution. Brutality and retribution and all those things. And it's not making sense for him. It's not clicking for him. Well, he's a human, right?

He's trying to be. No, I think it's the exact opposite, right? He's like, we spend the first three episodes watching him, you know, deal with age. He's getting older, the skin flaps, the gray hairs, all that stuff. And the fact of the matter is he was born, he's going to die just like everybody, right? And he can't accept that. Right. So he goes back to the place that made him and he's like, yo, I'm not human, right?

I'm better than every single one of you. You put me through all this garbage, all this BS, right? and here I am still standing, but I somehow still can't escape the fact that me and you are the same. And that's the wild thing about that scene because he doesn't understand that the answers don't come from the people in that lab.

Of course not. So who is Homeland and Analog for? I mean, clearly Superman. What's Superman's greatest power? If you want to be abstract about it, it's love and compassion, but it's... That's it. Superman's greatest power is his humanity.

Can we not? That's true. Superman's greatest power is his humanity. It's like, though, it's... Humanity can't stop no guns. You know what's funny? You know what's funny? And it has.

All right, all right, all right. What are you talking about? Humanity hasn't stopped guns? I'm telling you one thing. I'll tell you one thing right now. If you've ever had a gun pointed at you, if someone's ever pointed a gun at you before, you're going to try to make them realize

their humanity real quick. Like, you're like, hey, bro, the first thing you're going to do it. The first thing you're going to do is, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, the first thing you're going to do is, I got a family. You know, the first thing you're going to do. You're going to allow me to you.

Hey, bro, I got family, man. I got kids. Hey, bro, I'm not saying name. You're right. I'm trying to nothing to you. You don't even have kids and you say you have kids. You don't have a kid. And so, you know, Superman, for all the things

that Superman can do, like, the best thing about Superman is that he wants to do the right thing. Homelander, his weakness is his humanity. You take the other story of a red son. Right, right. So, like, his weakness is his humanity. Like, she gets him in that room, and she tells him that we use your need for connection and love against you. That's what we use against you.

There was no weapon that we could really form to fuck over you. What we used against you was the fact that you need the same thing that everybody else needs. That for all the stuff that you can do, you're actually not that much stronger than the rest of us because you need our approval. He rejects it at the end. And he makes her think about it because he leaves her alive. The question is, going forward, whether or not Homelander will continue to comport himself as someone who needs the approval and love and acceptance of humanity. in any way, and what does it look like if he doesn't do that? And I think that the way that he conducted that,

I don't think that's how that happens. I think that he's capable of it. It's probably got to come through his son. It can't come through that. I mean, the son is the conduit to it, right? Because if you look at the son right now, the son likes butcher because butcher's a guy. He dislikes Homeland because Homeland is a hero.

He doesn't want to be a hero. He wants a guy. I mean, the son's not long. Huh? He's not long for this world. a lot of game left. Yeah. Hey, listen.

Here's the thing. Once I saw how Homelander was getting down in that basement, I was just like, damn, there's only so much more, like, the only thing left on the board that he has any connection to at this point. Yeah. But he's not going to- Guarantees that woman. He's like, I'm not going to raise him knowing that he's human.

Like, he's going to know that he's better than you. That boy is going to be like, fuck you, Homelander. I love Butcher. And it's just- He's not going to kill him. He's not going to kill his kid. I feel like that's... Wait, you...

What? Wait. That's a step. That's even for Homelander. That's a... Not that I don't think Homelanders are crazy, like... Show me.

Nah. No. No, but here's a thing, right? Like, that's his legacy. You don't think Homeland did kill no children before? No, I didn't say that. I don't think you'll kill Ryan. Yeah, I get it.

Because that's his son, that's his legacy, right? You kill Ryan. Then what do you have? He just said in another episode. He's like, they're like, yeah, we're going to brand him as a Messiah. And he's just like... Well, no, because that way. Hold up.

He can't be the chosen one. I'm the chosen one. So you're saying that, oh, that kid's coming on my block. I got to get rid of him before they get rid of me. No, I think, I think, honestly, I think Ryan is going to be like, butchers my real dad. And like, Homelander is like, God damn, I don't got no loyal lieutenants left. My own seed is running to the man I hate. I think he's going to snap.

Charles, what was your thoughts? You said that the Homelander scene or not the scene, several scenes, that that storyline, that piece of this episode didn't quite work for you, why not? Oh, I mean, narratively it did. In terms of just like, I think the most

revealing part of this episode was when his mother figure is like, you were powerful enough to escape out of here. Anytime you want to. Anytime you want. That is the most heartbreaking thing. Because when he's telling that very grotesque story of him having to pleasure himself

in between watching, watching, It's just like, oh, this kid's whole life as a child revolved around these people who did not care about him. And to realize in adulthood, I was powerful enough to escape all of that. I'm like, oh, it's a very apt metaphor for where Homelander finds himself as an adult. Homelander doesn't need the president. He doesn't need Vought. He can destroy all these people at any given time. And what a, what a like powerful metaphor of abuse that is?

Well, I mean, approval is his elephant chain. Yeah. And it's like, oh, that's always where the show was going. where it's just like, what is going to be the one thing that finally snaps Homelander to a point where he just raises the entire Earth? And it's like, no governments, no business, no whatever. I don't need this anymore.

Because, like, his humanity is the only thing, and that's a scary thing, keeping anybody on Earth alive. And it's like, oh, this was a very, very important episode, I think, even if I'm like, it went too far for my eyes and just for me artistically in terms of like even how some of it was shot. I was like, all right. But where it pushes the show,

I'm like, this is a big episode in terms of what else is there really for Homeland or two weeks. You guys have, if you guys have the stories of the elephants when they're kids, when they're little babies, you heard that. Yeah, I know the elephant chain, yeah. Yeah, so like, if the

elephants, when they're young, you put like a small chain or a small rope and you chain them to a tree or a pole or whatever, there have actually been elephants that when they grew older, they died in fires because they would not believe that they could break the chain because they couldn't break it as they were kids. They were psychologically broken. They don't know the strength of their own shit. And they died in fires there because they would not run away because they thought that the chain was too strong for them to break.

That is, when you're dealing with beings that are as powerful as these superheroes are, it's really negotiating like what that is for everyone. For A-Train, it's his guilt. You know what I mean? He wants to be like he has his brother. He has people and he wants to be better than what he is. He doesn't have the wherewithal for it. For Homelander, it's his need for humanity. You know, other people have different motivations.

Thought this episode did a good job of that. At the same time, you saw Annie find her rage. She's trying to be the good girl. She's tried to be the starlight for a long time. She fucking lost it. It's a bridge too far. and she fucking went on that stage and lit firecrackers ass the fuck up.

So we were talking about... Deserved every second of it, too. We were talking about this last episode feeling like in the first three episodes, Starlight was the most underserved, probably of the cast. Do we feel like, were you, like, at the end of this episode be like, I'm locked in? Like, I'm totally on board with this,

or was it, like, too fast of an escalation? No, I'll tell you why. It was because... It was part of Sister Sage's plan. Because there was something behind it, because this wasn't just a happening, Sister Sage is pulling the strings for everyone. And Annie doesn't even know in that situation right there

that she's activated. That that was a revenge beating that Firecracker got because she dissed Sister Sage. So I think because there was some order to it, because there were some mechanism to it, it didn't bother me that much. I still don't really feel like the season knows what to do with Annie quite yet.

That's what I was feeling like where I was just like... We've got to have her do something. But it was a little crazy. It wasn't a little looting tunes where I'm like, man, why are they building this whole set across? I did like that wide shot where like nobody's there. Nobody's there, yeah. It's just like, traffic going by.

Yeah, I was just like, come on. And then, all right, when Firecracker reveals, she's just like, and Annie, blinding. a parent. And they all like her friends are like, no, how could you? I'm like, oh, but this is what they do. This is how they do.

They go, they take your shit and they go, this is what this person did. Senior year at Brown. They must be terrible. Or they spin a narrative about you. That's not true. Maybe something that happened at your old job that wasn't, didn't go the way that they said that it went.

And they try to impugn your entire character off one thing and it didn't happen, it didn't go that way. That's not what happened. And you're still fucking friends with the guy today. And the whole thing, they try to fuck you. All right, Wesley Snipes, it's okay. Certainly not speaking from experience. But that's what they do.

But I'm just saying her friends, it didn't even wait. They looked at her like, you must. I mean, those are our real friends, though, because even, like, after she beats the hell out of Firecracker, they go back to the boys' HQ and Kimiko gives her a hug, you know what I'm saying? I was like, hey, man. Hey, you know, it happens. I mean, everybody, if we're being clear, everybody in this episode,

you know, was going through it, my man Frenchie, I was like, Hey, listen. You, French, you deserve it. French, French, French got off easy. You got away easy. You got way easy. And also, once again,

if we're talking about how they treat my black characters, I'm like, man, I was like, come on, bro. Yo, what, what are you working? What are you working? Like, hold on, like, no, no, no, no, no,

not after what you said about the house of dragon. No, after what you say. You guys are not, bro. The I want, you know, what the fuck is going on, bro? What is going on? What is going on?

It's fine. The man got his family killed and he tried to choke French out. It's fun. And he realizes it's not working. I'm like, here's the thing. Frenchie killed his black man's family and he comes back and is just like,

yeah, I'm going to make you fall in love with me. That don't make you look at Frenchie like. Oh, Frenchie fucked up. No, yeah. It wasn't on purpose. But, yeah, like, Frenchie sold. It wasn't on purpose. He admits in the last match episode,

and he circled the block. My fault. Like, hey, we met at, remember. I got to be honest with you. I thought that. I thought that Bucky and Cap were wrong for like paling around with somebody that they know that, you know, the dude. Got a care skill.

Yeah. It's a whole other thing to be giving hand jobs to somebody that, you know, you kill their family. Yeah. Yeah. You can't give the sloppy topy to somebody knowing that. that you killed their mama and their sister. That's like... That's crazy work.

Like, that's... Several times, not once. I thought that's Frenchie down bad, bro. Terrible. That's fucked up. And here's the thing, too. Like, it's like, I gotta be real. Frenchie's been like fixing his face with Kimiko,

giving her all attitude and shit. So I'm like, not only are you doing him dirty, the only other person in this world who really got you back, like, shut the fuck up, Kimiko. She rejected him. She rejected him. Because that's his sister. Yeah, nah, man.

He wasn't on that. type of shit. You went on that type of time. All right. He was trying to... You don't need it. Now. We're explaining. What, he was trying to... She friends zoned him. Y'all know how y'all get when y'all friends owned, especially you, Charles. It's not friend zoned if they're literal

family. Who? Chemical And Frenchy? Yes. They're not literal family. I mean, it's family. How's it family? It's chosen family. You know what I mean. It's chosen family because... What does Stitch say? Lilo and Stitch. Let me fuck.

That means family. Stop. Oh. I don't know what that. I've never seen that shit before. You never seen Lil'L's a lot, bro. They never seen Lido on Sitch? I never watched that shit.

Too much pluck for you at this point. It's over. He hasn't seen Lido's Sitch. He hasn't seen Inside Out. He hasn't seen any of these. You don't got a hard, I do. You would love Inside Out.

You would love Inside Out too. I've seen a movie called Inside Out, but it was a different time of the movie. It was a different. It was a different. Why do you like this? Let's keep it. I'm trying to tell you all the real. The reality.

is all that family shit comes after you get friends on. And you had somebody wedding and you're standing at the wedding and they get married. Jesus. And you feel that in the pit of your stomach. And now I was like, oh, yo, that's my sister. That's my big bro. That's just my, that's my

best friend. That's my best friend. That's not what you wanted, man. You don't want no best friend. No man. You know what I'm saying? You wanted to be on a balcony in Miami wearing that shit out and she said, no. So now... And so, and so, and so, and so, and so, now. I mean, I'm just being for real.

And it goes both ways. Like, y'all, y'all never met girls. It's the way. It's not toxic. Why does it need to be about me by the girl? Exactly why it needs to be about getting out of it. It's not, it's not toxic. It's not, it's reality.

Y'all met people before, and they're so close. And you're like, yo, why didn't child just date? And then you find out what are the people, that's what they wanted. And now what they've settled for is baking cookies for the other one for the rest of their life. You would love this TikTok. trend of like girls trying, just like, just attempt to kiss your guy best friend and then see what they do. And them niggas all was like, all going.

By way, this is not me saying that men and women can't be friends because they definitely can't, right? It depends on. But you're saying that old found family starts by trying to clap them cheeks. I'm saying that what he wanted from Kimiko was a romantic relationship. He fell in love with her. And she even tells him a couple of episodes ago. She says, I love you.

but me and you aren't happening, go be happy. Why would she say that if there was no romance to it? I mean, there was, but you extrapolating that to be like, you know what? All-Found family is because people want to be fucking. It's insane. I'm saying this. Yeah, clean it up, please.

I'm not cleaning it up, shit. I'm not cleaning up nothing. I'm telling you right now that all of y'all knows that there was a friend that y'all was. had and y'all were cool and you are you know what the deal is I'm a realist

and there was people out there that you was trying to be down with Steve I know some of yours Oh The accolite We're going to the accolite To the athlete This is a good episode of the boys

Let's come back to the boys real quick Okay Go ahead Jomey We were talking about this earlier I stand on it We haven't talked about Huey yet Huey's trying to get Fuck Huey bro

God damn I mean, I mean, he's no longer like the main character of the show, right? We're not spending a lot of, I mean, I think it serves the show well. I think it's, it's got, there's so many rich characters we spend a lot of time with. They spend a lot of time with Huey. It's kind of crazy. You would like to spend a lot of time with the white man. But I kind of feel like when did I?

Honestly, what? How many days before Juneteen? Wow. Before Juneteen? It's after. Well, this is coming out after June 10th of. Oh, shit. This is terrible for you.

Yeah, I know. It's a bad month for me. You were standing up for Homelander and Huey in one episode. That's crazy. And you love the fucking sister stage scene. I'm going to be honest with y'all. I'll be real with y'all, man. You know, y'all know.

We talk about it all the time. The Huey part of it was tough, was hard for me. Yeah. Because, like. When you forgave A-Train? No. No. He killed this girl.

No, it's not when he forgave A-Train. I'm talking about the dad stuff. Right, okay. Yeah, it was tough. Because I would have gave my dad the Compound V. Somebody did. And it probably would have ended up bad. my dad would have probably had like

the worst powers ever, bro. Like, it just, I'm telling you. What would have been the worst power for your dad's ass? What would have been your dad's power if you gave him? Like, he liked to ride horses and stuff. Okay. A nigga probably would end up becoming like horseman or some shit like that.

The strength of a horse, a horse face and some crazy shit. I don't know. Respectfully, would your dad be like very benevolent about his superpower as like Superman? Or would he be like, he's just hitting the clubs? Just like. Are you fucking nutsy?

No. It would have been the worst thing. Absolute power corrupts. Nick Cannon? It would have been the worst thing in the world. If we did just pop them up for the compound V and he'd have just been straight. Like, I would have loved that,

but everybody wife would have got fucked. Oh. You know, because he's the kind of guy, you know, he's standing in there. He got super strength. He eating half of a rib bone or like a whole chicken. And, like, he didn't just been with your wife. And he walks in,

Hey, that's my wife. What you're going to do about it? You ain't trying to fuck with me. Get your ass out of here, throw a nigga to Texas or something like that. He would have been the wrong guy because he always thought he was he already thought he was Superman.

I thought about this the whole time. Would have been the wrong guy. So you're, you're giving your dad compound V. I'd have gave him a little bit. I'd have gave him a little bit of, I wouldn't have given the whole body. Also, to be fair to Huey, the mom's starting to piss me off

because they're like, yeah, your dad's going to pass and everything. She's just like, dog is like paid and full. She's just looking at him like, yo, you'll be fine. Like, it's fine. You're tough, right? You're tough right. Like, I'm like, get the fuck out of here. It's, um,

what's going to happen with that? He gave his compound. He did he? Is it going to be a soup? Oh, he definitely gave him the compound. Well, because, no, he wasn't him? He didn't. The mother. I thought it was the mother. I thought it was mom, right? Because he put in his whatever. The dad got the compound. No, because he put it in his jacket. And then he takes it

And when he comes back Oh no, she gave it to him Oh, yeah, right, right, right. No, she gave it to him because I don't know how she got it. Did she like just snake it out of his pocket And then he put it down. Yeah.

And the whole time I'm like, is she a spy for Vought? Because she's selling basically all that Vot shit. The Vot Avon stuff? Yeah. And he was like, get that shit. Like she's all like converted and shit like that.

And I'm like, wait. Was she converted by VOT? Is this like a sister sage thing? Did somebody put a plan in place to be like, oh, I'm putting a mole inside the boys. And the best way to do that is through Huey's mother. I'm not sure. It's a good question.

Because she was looking, like she knew what the V was. Yeah. And she was kind of like. She wasn't surprised. Exactly. She was like, all right. Everything's lining up. And in reality, it's such a crapshoot

because you don't know what power is going to manifest. You don't know if he's going to be like, fucking change or if you're going to go crazy derange, whatever. So, it's something that Huey couldn't do, but then she did it and it opened up a whole kind of words. Speaking of Compound v, what was with that A-Train scene in Homelander's

apartment with Ashley? Like, was she really just taking a shit and like they could get in equal amounts of trouble? Yeah, I was wondering, I was like, this is going to be doing some worse. I mean, here's the thing, right? The punishment for both of those things is death by Homelander. So, Really just taking a shit?

Yeah. Broke into his apartment. I mean, yeah. I will say this. Have you ever, has a friend ever come over to your house and taken a shit and not flushed it? If I was a homelander, I would kill him. Like, it ruins your day. I got to be honest with you.

I'll tell you guys something. Okay. First of all, I know that some of you here have taken shits in my house. It's happened. First of all, just go ahead and cop to it. Who's done it? I've not taken a shit. I definitely have.

Yeah, both of you have taken a shit. I have not taken a shit in your house. I have flushed it and I have sprayed. Yeah, I know you guys. Okay. I want to let you guys know that that was a sacred rule that was broken for you guys. I used to have a strict rule that you could not shit in my house. What?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, first of all, you never disclosed this. No, no, no, no, because that's how much love I have for you guys. Well, thank you. Thanks. So I was like, we over here, we've eaten, we've been eating barbecue all day, we drinking sodas and shit. They need the shit. But there was a time that nobody could shit in my house. Wow.

Because a girlfriend's shit in your house. Well, that was different. You know what I mean? You can't stop them because you need something. But like, like, it is, it is 8.20. Can we keep it together for another 30 minutes? I'm just saying. Grand opening, grand closing of the boys.

How would you do that? I mean, you need, you don't want to tell them they can't shit that they're going to have to leave. You don't want them to, you know, you want to. Anyway. You had to be, but I would say that. I'm just saying. That's the only way to say that. You need to.

But so what I'm saying is that. Because I always just would feel bad. You know, we're sitting down, we watching the movie, and then you just go to my bathroom, and you're in that bitch for like 20 minutes. Sure. You just have fucked my shit up. And you come back out.

I don't shit in my house. It's disrespectful. Sometimes people do it, like, train my barber one time trying to shit in my house. I was like, nah. He's the one that got the rules started. blew the bathroom up. Oh.

That's tough. Discussed. So he en-stated the room. He was drinks on the bowl and shit. The whole fucking thing. But one time I knew that Jomey was taking the shit. And Kalika was looking at me and she was like, are you gonna push the rule?

And I was like, nah, it's Jome. Like, all right, was he already doing it? Yeah, he was in there. What were you going to do? Walk in and be like, stop. Yeah, I've been like, hey. You know. Put it back.

Put it back. Hey, I know you ain't shitting in there, Jomey. Are there any characters Any arts we haven't touched on? Kimiko, but her shit wasn't that way. She took a like a rocket-propelled grenade to the chest and the shell on that too. Bro, she's Deadpool Plus, man.

It's great. It's different. My girl, Kimiko, I drafted her in our draft. Like, she's the number one. Stop fucking splitting her in two, bro. That's the shit that like, I don't like it, man. And also, once again, Huey is fucking useless.

Like, I'm like, Huey, can you just not be a drag on all the boys? can you just like do anything? They got busy a little bit. Which I took, I took kind of like issue with because that motherfucker had like a box cutter and a shield and you would have thought he was Captain America. What's the canonical timeline?

How long has it been since episode one of the boys to now? A couple years. He has to learn how to fight once. I mean, you know, he's decent. He's got skills. Well, remember in the other episodes? They're practicing with Starlight. You know?

He could have fooled me. Look, it's not I just say he was tank or anything But he's trying Also, I just Going back to the compound V of it all Bro Why you give it like

Because he looks at Butcher Like we've revealed That Butcher also took compound V And I'm like all right Now butcher's venom All right cool Yeah because butcher kills Mr. Stretchy guy

It doesn't really know how he did it Yeah and I took that as I'm just like Oh the little snakey thing That's been gone from his body body, I'm like, is he venom now? Does he have like a symbiote type thing? That's manifesting as his wife? Well, I mean, he's seeing his wife.

Yeah. He's going crazy. But, like, is that, like, is that the thing in his, like, in his head, literally like... A hair wig of some sort in his head, making him see visions and stuff. The butcher thing is interesting because I think the scene with Huey is probably because normally butcher, butcher is, like, he's usually right. Like, as toxic as he is, he's usually like, we have to do this to get this. this outcome. And for the most part.

Because he's cynical. Yes. Right. But that scene with Huey, because their relationship is the one that starts to show. Right. That's the, it's the very, like,

crux of the show. And so to have that moment where he's like, he's mad at Huey, he was like, it's not about the V. It's about my dad. It's about forgiving. It's not about Robin.

I just have to, I have to do this. I don't want to live my life being mad at people. Right. He just had to come to his mom in episode three. It's like at this point, at this point, man, I'm like, I got to do what I got to do.

And for a butcher, that's tough because butcher's actually dying. Right. And I don't think he can forgive himself what he did to Ryan, what happened to his wife, like his entire life. And so he spends, a good much episode, like, he opens up to M.M. He's like, look, brother, I'm not going to be here for long. I need you to take care of Ryan if I can't do that. Yeah. Right.

He sees QE getting to V. He's like, why would you do that? Like, why would you, like the whole thing? He's like, oh, you're trying to your dad. That's a bad idea, right? Gives Huey's finally some good advice. The other day, he's like, yo, what the hell's going on? Right.

Like, his, I think going forward, like, the next four episodes, whatever the hell's going on with Butcher, I can't wait to find out. That is mad interesting. Because I'm like, Ezekiel gets blowed up. I'm like, what's going on? Yeah. Is he freaking the Phoenix?

He got the Phoenix Force now? Like, he dies and then... I think there are a lot of things that they're setting up. that are very interesting to me moving forward. Obviously, the homelander, Butcher, Ryan Dynamic, what's going on with Butcher? One more thing before we go. We have to talk about it.

What? Fire Crocker got a case, why is she around? Yeah. That shit was, like, when she's like, that whole part, I was like, all right, this is like, the writer's room. I'm like, y'all got to work on this because Butcher's show, he's like, hey, you was grooming a 15-year-old. And she's just like.

Disgusting. Shut up. Disgusting. And she's like, I can beat your plan. Boop. and post it and then she like walks on stage. Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you. That happens.

Over on her side, allegations of underage fucking hasn't stopped some people that we know. Some of these motherfuckers are in Congress. So like, you know, I don't know. I mean, at that, but here's the thing when, like, when Emin is, like, saving Starlight from beating the shit out of, like, Firecracker, if I was like, Starlight told me, I was just, like, just turn to the camera and be like, she a fucking fan and walk away. Yeah. But they don't. but they don't care. She already cops.

If I was Eminem, I would be like, okay, you get two hits and then I'm pulling you off. Also, M&A ain't shit. Like, I'm like, why are you pulling her off? Like, what's like, she already- You can't kill her. That looks worse. You know, it was interesting. So I wonder what this is about.

She had a prescription drug. Did you see the prescription drug that they showed when they were in her trailer? Yes, I didn't know. I did not look up with it. It's for gastric reflux. I've taken that before. Oh. What is soup

gastric reflux? It's got to be crazy. It's got to for it. It's a, it's a Gerd disease pill. Like, you know, I have the gastric reflux. Sometimes you guys might see it if you watch close enough, I go and so, like, I've had it before.

And, like, she's got that. I wonder what that's going to be, like, it's a gastro reflux. What if it's just like a normal thing that she has? She's like, oh, yeah. Maybe, but like she I wonder if that's going to come back to harm her. Maybe that's how she makes her fire cracking. Maybe it. Maybe it. All right. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business.

Fast, reliable internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business. They keep companies of all sizes connected with internet, advanced Wi-Fi, phone, TV, mobile services, plus 24-7 US-based support. Millions of business owners already trust Spectrum business. So visit Spectrum.com slash business to learn more. Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas.

This episode is brought to by the, active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. That's a mouthful, but that's because it packs a lot in. Earn unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases with it, big or small. So whether it's buying tickets to the game and grabbing a coffee, it earns unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases. Say it with me, the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo, be a 2%er. Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. This episode is brought to by Paramount Plus. Beth and Ripper back at a series, Dutton Ranch. Kelly Riley and Cole Houser returned, and this time they're taking on Texas.

As Beth and Rip build a future together, peace will have to wait as they face corruption, danger, and a ruthless rival ranch, willing to protect its secrets at all costs. Legacy is a beautiful thing, but only if it survives. Dutton Ranch starring Colehous or Kelly Riley, Annette Benning and Ed Harris, now streaming on Paramount Plus. I've got to put you in the know now for the acolyte. All right, we're going to cover this show.

We're loving it. Okay. I actually like this since. I did too. You know what? I like this. Go ahead. Fuck the ending.

But this episode was lit. All right. Let's go. Midnight Manifest, the Ackleit Chuck. Go. All right. These are your Midnight Manifest for the Ackylite Day, directed by Alex Garcia Lopez,

written by Claire Kitchell and Kor Adana. May and Kamir, search for Konaka in the forest of Farr on Karasant. O'Sha says goodbye to Jackie. So I'll argue his Jedi master Venestra to send him in May to Kfar to appeal to May before she murders our wookie friend. May betrays Kameer,

realizing she no longer needs to serve her master now that she knows Oshah is alive. When she shows up to Kalakka's house, he's already been killed by her master. So, Osha, and a crewed Jedi find Kalakka's camp with the help of Tracker Basel. But when they're greeted and swiftly overwhelmed by the mysterious Sith master, there's a lot of fucking

weird-ass opinion of the show. Chuck, though, what you think? Was this episode perfect? No. did the ending leave me very mad that it cut it off so abruptly absolutely. We all screamed in the theater in Spotify theater. What the fuck? I don't know, man. Like Basil, the tracker dude, I was like, he's amazing.

Basil's cool. Basil's my guy, bro. Love Basil. I love a animal. Sprickle him on my pizza. The ending when the master, all them Jedi's coming up with the... Was he flying? He was floating.

He was... The motherfucker was floating. And he's just like, boom. And all the Jedi fly, like, I don't... once again, I think critically there are things about this episode that I didn't like, but the dumb Star Wars part of my brain was like,

I don't know, guys, pretty late. Here's the thing. Here's what I will say. I think the backlash from the previous episode felt kind of nuts, in my opinion. The last episode I was about it. Fine. But like, of the Star Wars beats that this episode hit, like, you can't say that it wasn't like

following standards and practices for a Star Wars adventure. You had cool, weird bugs in a swamp that you had to kill that were bad. You had a weird fun, uh, wookie tracker dude that was like cute and you can see the merch happening. Uh, you had, like, you had the final conflict with a, with a boss guy and then you got a wookie getting sliced. I liked it, but I don't really like any of this expository dialogue right now. Brother, bro. Oh, dude. It is a lot of it.

It is. It's doing too much. I fell asleep in the theater. I knocked out. And we couldn't. Every conversation in this episode was a Wikipedia dump of like where we're at to this moment.

And I'm like, yeah. Like, come on, let's get crack. Let's say something I think about the acolyte. The acolyte is going to be one of the rare shows that you're seriously not going to be able to judge it until you've seen the full thing.

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is not me in any. way copying out for this episode. Because I thought it was just okay. I thought the end was very amazing. Yeah.

I like to see powerful Sith doing powerful Sith things. Yeah, that's cool. But there are so many weird things that happen and things that seem, like, stupid, like they shouldn't happen. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. You look like, May all of a sudden deciding, after we've watched her kill two Jedi, fuck this mission? Her all of a sudden decided she's going to turn herself into this.

the Jedi with really nothing happening in between there. I was like, this is literally thought they swapped places. So with her. I thought her and May swap places. But what I'm saying is with all of that happening, there's just got to be more to it.

Like there's got to be a point in this show where this stuff starts to turn. Maybe the back four or five, how many episodes is it? Four. Four more? Like the back four episodes, they have to get a lot deeper into what this mystery is.

And there has to be some kind of Tyler Durdon esk turn here that is really going to bring all of this together. I'm just, I'm being serious. Because if not, I'm watching the show and from beat to beat, yes, fine. It's cool to watch, but like it just doesn't make, I'm going to go turn myself into Connagos, but why? Why? Yeah.

I mean, I think that I was probably earlier to this in terms of my feelings of, from episode one, I was just kind of like, I don't know if this really makes sense. And like by episode four, I was just like, once May was like hanging her dude up and was just like, you know what, fuck it. I don't need the master. Because like, in the scene before, she does go, she's like, I can't believe OSHA is with those Jedi scum. And then she's literally like, but I would love to get arrested by them. And she's like, yes, my sister being alive changes everything. And I'm like, all right, well, how does that change everything?

Because it doesn't change everything that seemingly happened to you in the episode prior. flashback sequence where, like, the Jedi fucked over, your sister, stole her, killed everybody in that coven, like, that doesn't change anything about it. It changes everything about her mission, maybe. I think the- Yeah, but, like, we can't quantify that. Well, yeah, I mean, finding out she thinks her sister's

dead. The Jedi killed my sister, I got to go back and slide on them. Oh, she's still alive. I don't have to do this anymore. Well, so, my question was... So then, fuck everybody else. Was the only reason she killing them because she felt like they were responsible for killing her sister? But think about this, though. Even that

kind of doesn't make sense, right? Yeah. May fell. So May is the one that, so May is the one that fell. So May thinking that the Jedi killed her sister when May also,

what happened in the temple, what happened in on that planet, cannot have gone the way it was shown. Not even close. Not even close. Once you get back to the ship, I will explain that. It cannot have gone that way

because for her to be like, made her my sister being alive changes everything well we were led to believe that the Jedi thought she was dead yeah and if she is alive then why wouldn't she think that her sister was possibly alive and even in this episode here one second even in this episode here when uh they find all of this stuff out and all the Jedi are standing around and then they made the decision not to tell the Jedi council about it not to tell the High Council about it I'm like why wouldn't you tell it? It's like, okay, so there's probably a cover-up or something. Yeah, like, what's going like, why wouldn't you tell them about it?

And the reason that they give is so bogus. Oh, the reason that they gave was like, oh, if we tell the high council, then they're going to have to tell the Senate and then people are going to start turning it. Which I'm like, it doesn't make sense. No. No. It's a reach. It's a big gigantic reach. I'm like, the Jedi was not running to the Senate even in the prequels.

It's like. They do what the fuck they feel like they hate it at all time. Yeah. And this has been at the peak of their powers. Yeah. Yeah. It's never stopped them ever before. Like there's no.

So guys, you weren't, you guys weren't like, oh, that's sick. What the Sith person? No, it's sick as fuck. No. As soon as they all start converting. Me and Jalmy watching it, I'm like, yo, is this motherfucker? He's flying. This is this motherfucker flying?

As soon as they all start converging toward Kilnacca's house, it starts to pop off. Right? Those last five minutes are like, oh, oh, oh, they finish. He's dead already. And for everything that we're talking about with the show, at the end of the show, it had you wanting the next episode of the show, which is what the show is supposed to do. But they really, really, from four to eight,

have to tie up a lot of stuff and deliver on a lot of things that right now, if you look at it in a straight, linear narrative way, don't seem to make sense. It's a level of breadcrumming for a mystery that, is not connecting with me personally at all. Because it's, the level, like, the fact that we, that I know, it has to be that this mystery master is Mani Jacinto's character. I don't know. I don't, bro.

No, because here's the thing. If it's not him, then the show feels stupid to me. Like, the level of buffoonery that he's putting on screen is cartoonish in a way that feels like somebody who is evil enough to, like, fake that. Him as a red herring doesn't actually make sense. If it turns out to be somebody that's not him and somebody we've never met before, that to me is worse than what this is.

I see the vision because he's got a lot of information, right? Like he's like, ah, you know, he's met the master. And he's already on the planet and just tied up and all he needs to do is just cut himself loose and put it on his helmet. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, though, like, the thing about a red herring is that it's obvious, right? And it's very obviously Mani Hicento.

So for it to then... That would be whack if it was him. Yeah, right? That was the move, I don't know. I'm going to tell you straight up, if it turns out to be him, I'm going to straight fuck over the acolyte, man. Who else could it be?

I don't give a fuck, bro. I still, my chips are on Carrie Maw. It's not her. It's going to be that green lady, that green Jedi? It could be. Maybe. It's wacky. If it turned out to be him, it's whack, man.

Because that's just a little too. But who in our cast would it be not whack for? It's a third twin A third A third A triplet That would be fucking hard

You know what I mean Or or Or no Or if it was Jody Turner Smith Oh That would be cool Who is a pretty big

actress Just to have That would be cool That would be cool If it's Joe That'd be pretty great We didn't see You're pretty great

No I mean The thing about that is that Not to go too deep into it I watch it again That scene just doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense how quickly all of that shit happened.

Yeah, yeah. It doesn't make sense how fucking insane may be came at the drop of a dime. It's like none of that. We didn't even see the revelation. We didn't see her come to that. None of that makes any sense whatsoever. Something else had to have happened here. Yeah.

And maybe after this standoff, I don't see how they're going to be this Sith. Maybe he just fucking or he or she just. Big fart cloud. Take a lot. Maybe Saul explains it. and we get an understanding, but there's got to be some kind of turn coming that we all didn't see or expect.

And that's the thing, like the level of things that the show is not showing us, seemingly for the sake of a mystery, really is starting to, like, play in my face and get on my nerves a little bit. Oh, you got four more episodes. I get it, and I hope that we get more. Play in my face.

But it's something that I am kind of getting a little testy about. Stealing from the culture. A lot of game left. You literally said that, like, too many. I know, but, like, is, what is the white, way to say that. Like, how would you say it's really starting to chat my hide? No, it's really starting. No, no, no.

Like, what way? Don't put the banana in the tailpipe. Don't put the banana on your tailpipe. No, do you. Oh, no. As soon as starting to chat my hide. Yeah. Like, what is it? What is it? Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Yeah, yeah. Buddy. Yeah, pal. Oh, there's nothing that pisses me off more when a white when a white man calls me buddy. Like, I'm just like,

I'm just like, bud. No. It's always condescending. Yeah, don't call me, buddy. It's like, it's one of the phone of, right? at that point? Like, like, calling me like kid or child or like, let's go. The white people

saying it's tear list, let's go. Yeah, white people say in tears. How can you, all right? How do you talk? Welp is white people?

Yep. What? Yellow is definitely white people. That's the opposite. I like me a good yellow though. Yeah. When you know who's yellow. How about hey wise guy?

That's like a fucking That's more gangster. All right. All right. All right. Last one. News flash buddy. That's white.

Yeah. That makes me want to talk That's all time, bro. Don't talk to me like that. Newsflash buddy. Hey, newsflash, buddy. Put a cork in it. Put a cork in it, you goddress.

New flash, buddy. Call the manager. Also, who's the Black Jedi that sucks? Oh, Yord? Yord is an asserless. I'm like, Oshah asked you for one thing, bro. Can you not just be all like... Yeah, we got to take your piece, too.

Yours that dude at the job. Yours that dude at the job, we all work at the same level. Y'all make the same. But he'd think he's the manager? Yeah. But he's assistant to the manager, real Dwight, yeah, he's like, no, he's like, Like, we're all trying to hang out.

Hey, man, yeah, let's all go to the bar after the place. You're trying to fight him? Nah, he's not. It's really not like that. Yeah. We had a guy like that at Best Buy. I told you the story where the guy got knocked out in the parking lot. No.

No. I did not recall this. Please. Enlighten us. Man, we're in Best Buy, bro. Best Buy Store 495. Shout out. Bataroo.

Shout out. I never forget this. Like, it's a dude in there. I'm almost. I've told this story on the podcast before, but maybe I haven't, maybe I told him how I learned. So, dude in the store, he's stealing, right?

He's stealing. He's one of these niggas that's not good at stealing. When I was working, sometimes I started off and I were at the register, then I moved to home theater. When I was working at the register

and you was trying to steal, I'll let you know, I can't let you steal from me, but just go ahead and leave a store. One time this, I told you guys this one guy had all this computer equipment. Yeah, I put the fake skews on there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I pulled them off. I'm like, yeah, man. This shit will be fucking $3,000. Fuck out of here. Think I'm dumb? I want to jail with you. He's like, $3,000. Let me go up.

I got to go to my car. Yeah, go to your car, bro. I'm going to put it right here. It's going to be right here for you, all right? Just come back to it. Go to your car. And you go one Mississippi. Fuck out of the store.

You know what I'm saying? But this dude was stealing. I remember they came over to me. I was at home theater. I'm like, man, man, big guy. We need to build a wall in the front What? Build a wall?

I was like, I remember I had a 2016 I had my fucking My customary snack of root beer And Eminemes Was that what I was? That was my snack. Wow.

The best buy root beer tastes better. I don't know why. What brand? What's your brand? It was bar, not box, it was mug. Mug. Mug. I like,

I'm sitting there. I'm eating this on the floor, by the way. It's not my break. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm like, because you would come to get me a home theater. Hey, I'm trying to buy this TV. I'd be like, okay, one quick.

One second real quick. What can I help you with? Sat on the floor. And so I'm sitting there and he came to me and it's like, man, this guy's trying to steal. We need you to build a wall at the front. I was like, no. What?

You nuts? I'm like, I don't give a fuck. With that man, still. So he gets there. at the front. And even the LP up there, man, shout out to my nigger Webb. Even the guy up at the front and LP was like, hey, bro, hey man, we see you, bro. He's trying to walk out. He's like, we see you, bro. We see you. Did not put hands on him. We're not going to do that, bro. We don't do that. This one guy named Adam.

Adam was always the first to do his action center. Adam always wanted to stay until 1 o'clock in the fucking morning and cleaning the store. Adam always wanted to do this. Runs out in the parking lot after this guy, which you can't do. By the way, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do. So it runs out in the parking lot after this guy, and I'm just eating my M&Ms, and I'm watching it.

I can't hear anything, but I could just see it. It's like a chaplain sketch. Boom, boom, boom. Turns around. Boom. Adam takes one dead to the chin, flails down. And we, and we looking, and everybody's trying, and all of a sudden, I go. You're such an asshole.

Six people. Yes. Six people start laughing. Six people start laughing. The fucking GM comes through. Hey! Hey! It's not fucking funny.

That kid has more heart than all the five of you. Flash, buddy. I'm like, that kid has more heart than the five of you put together. Oh, no. Like, go out there. That made me laugh more. We're laughing. And we can't, every time we were seeing, we were like,

Adam got a heart. Hart. Got his dumb ass knocked out in the parking lot and vests. It was raining. Got his stupid ass. It was raining. Oh, no. Fuck no.

You didn't scoop him up off the ground? Nick, over a day, Chappelle DVD? Get your motherfucking ass out of here. I'm about to go out here and start swinging on somebody with a motherfucking DVD. No, I wouldn't have. Fucking $15.

Niggins. What are you going to do? Put him on your shoulder? Like, season two? Clearly, one. No, you got to me. You didn't want to be like the big home. Be like, we don't got to do all that.

No, man. Adam was all right. You know, Adam used to come in there and talk all of his shit about how he wanted to. Maybe he made it. I don't know. Maybe I'll look. You think he's still my best by? He wanted to go.

He wanted to be a sales manager. He wanted to go corporate. Maybe he made it. Go all the way. Shout out to Adam, man. Maybe he made it. But he's on some real Yord shit. Yeah, but he fucking got lit the fuck.

Do you think that's in the cards for Yord? Probably. Something like that to where he's the Adam of the Jedi. He ends up getting fucked up. I mean, I'll be honest, the show got to pick how good the Jedi are because for years, motherfuckers have been telling me, well, you know, during the prequels, they were so strong. And at the height of the Jedi, da-da-da-da-da. These motherfuckers got pieced up by one motherfucker.

What's the last time they introduced a new Jedi that we really loved? Okay. I'm not putting him this high, but like I do like soul in this show. But, yeah, it's probably a son. I'm talking about a badass Jedi, somebody that we really fuck with. What's the last time he is? Not cartoons. even go to rebels. Like, like,

like, you can't not. You can't not. You can't. Like, that's what it is. Anybody in... Mace. Mace Windu? Yeah. You're talking about New Quigon Jin? I'm just saying... Ray? Kylo? Like, no, by the third, by the third movie, they fucked Ray. Like, I know, but like, we liked her. Yeah, if you mean, like, new Jedi, I mean, we start with Luke and Obi-Wan in A New Hope. My point is, of the Jedi that we've been introduced to...

They're not fucking that great. I said, y'all looked at me crazy when I was like, yo, why are the Jedi always fucking lame? They don't get to do nothing cool. Yeah, I mean,

these, look, soul is cool. I like so. But they, you know, Trinity got packed up in the first scene. Yeah,

he's a soft touch, so he can't really. I don't know if you can't fight like that. We'll see, there's a lot of game left. Look, I want everybody, obviously,

you know, people are enjoying. Once again, let me say something. You know, we've talked about some of the responses to the acolyte

based upon some of the racism, but that's not all of the criticism of that. No. It'll be unfair to say that all of the criticism of the acolyte is unwarranted. I've liked the show more than I've not liked it, but it's not a runaway hit. I mean, so people that feel like the acolyte

isn't really doing it for them, don't feel, don't be shy about your criticism or your displeasure about the show. Oh, really? Yeah, for sure. What I'm saying is this. Why do you give people all this shit?

And when I try to be honest about my feelings about these shows. Because it's fucking predictable. Because it's every show. Charles, you have to be unpredictably hateful. Like, it's every show. It's not. It is. I came in here.

I was just like, hey, yo, Basil, my boy. That I love. You know what I'm saying? We bond over our love for animals. You know? Like, that I love. Is that an animal? House of the Dragon.

I was high on the first episode of House of the Dragon. Charles, Charles, look. Let me tell you something right now. Come on. Like. Hey, hey. Hey, you're in your positive era. Beyonce's in her cowboy era.

You're in your positive era. Hollywood Holmes. Hollywood Holmes. Wait, so when Beyonce changes another era, Charles has to change too? Yeah, what's your next era, Charles? Oh. Damn, what is my next era? The next era.

Oh, no. Wow. Chance the rapper Charles. Never. I love my wife, Charles. I love my wife. I love my wife. I love my wife.

When you find true love with a wife, I love my wife, I love my wife. with a wife, you're going to come in here and everything's going to be changed. Oh, man. Everything's going to be watching shit. Charles is going to be like, oh, my God, let me guys. Let me tell you something. Newsflash, buddy.

I should fucking love this show. Okay? Emotionally, this show did it for me. And, like, I tell you guys, right now. Why does he sound like you? Emotionally, this show did it for me, okay? I, I, I, I, I, criticism. Why are you guys going on my neck so much?

Like, criticism is the most important thing. It resonates. It resonated to me. I felt it in my spirit. I felt it in my spirit. It's not happening. Hollywood was. For now.

Soon. You know what? Kaleika talked about this? Soon. Nicky, you're going to be hemmed up in three months. That's true. You're out here. You're going to be hemmed up in three months.

Me and Kalika talked about this. Kalika's like, Kalika goes, Van Charles isn't going to last. How long until they wears a sweater vest? She's like, she's like, she's like, Charles is going to find an Asian woman. What? What?

What? What? She already called. She said either Thai or Cambodian. She already called it. She said, she says, she says, because I was talking about what, what, what's going to happen in the fall when Charles is out there because the fall is popping too. She's like, man, Charles is not going to last. I want everybody to like, right and subscribe.

Charles is going to find an Asian woman. Don't do me like Donaldville. Make sure to comment and tell us who you think Charles will be wiped up with. Tell me what you think, what nationality you think of women that comes? No, no, cut it. No. Whoever you were torn in the Olympics

will be. Who do you think Charles, comment and let us know who you think Charles will end up with. Kalika said, Kalika said it. Kalika said it. She was like, Christ a lot. She said, I think she's like, Thai or Cambodian. And I was like, oh, okay, I'm fucking with that. Well, what did she say about Jum?

Oh, she already knows what's going to happen with Jum. She knows. going to have a little girl. White girl from the South Bay. He's going to live with you in the guest house. White girl from the South Bay. Yes. So, Colica has done this before. Wow. She thinks, uh, you're going to be single forever. She said, yeah.

White girl from the South Bay that already has a kid. Ooh. That's not going to happen. Oh, man. I can't be the father that stepped up. I can't be the father that stepped up, man. I don't have that job. Because you know what the girl's going to see and Jomi according to Kalika? Stability.

I'm not going to lie. kids love Jomey. Love Jomey. Like, I've never seen anything like you. Damn, Jomey. I try my best. Congrats on stepping up. Hey, there you go. Father has stepped up, Jome. Okay. There you go, bro.

Find somebody who's been hurt. Start off as friends like I was telling about before. Bring it all back. Bring this home, please. Every Tuesday and Thursday, the House of R will deep dive into the House of the Dragon and the accolite every Monday and Thursday, the Midnight Boys.

Jesus. Christ. We'll be giving you their reactions to Hot D every Thursday for the boys and the acolyte. Every Sunday. God, Jesus Christ. That's a gasic reflex. Yeah, got them.

It's bad. Every Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D ends. Our producer, Steve, the Arctic Almond. Alea in Paris, Zanaris is on the ones and twos. Jomey and dinner on on social. Hashtag the South Base

Stepdaddy. Oh. This is your production from Arzuna. Hot Coco. What? No Bobbiz, bro. You got to stop. No.

You got to stop. Yeah, man. Hello, HR. Hot cocoa. It's happening again. Chuck, take us out. The boys was a lot. I really can't lie.

Shout out to all my women. Even if you're Cambodian. It's hot. You know what's funny You ever been somewhere I'll tell you how Quick story So we're at

Tell you how the insales Around the boys feel I'm at Bon Marche Mall In Baton Rouge It's like 92 or 93 I think We're going to see

House Party 3 So I can't remember what year That came out Not the one with Kid and Play Kid and Play is in the House Party 3 They are? Yeah Let's find out

It was that amazing clip when Charles was like, is it that movie with kid and play? And you just felt so old. Well, they're definitely... They are definitely in House Party 3. Let me tell you something. They are in House Party 3. How old are they in House Party 3?

House Party 3 is the third house party. 94. Come on 94. They came out 94. Wow. 94. So House Party 3, like House... It was a big deal.

Bernie Mac is in House Party 3. TLC is in House Party 3. Wow. Tucker's in House Party 3. Like, Michael Collier's in House Party 3. David Edwards is in How... It was like all of the comedy stores. And one day.

boom, put them in the movie. Every was a big deal. You know, typical black theater that we're rolling through the whole deal, whatever. And like, I'm in an arcade playing video games before the movie comes on. I don't know if I'd ever told you guys

the story before. I might have told you guys the story before. And I would walk out to see if my sister and them had got there yet. And every time I would walk out, these girls on this bench were laughing. And I'm like, I did what the fuck? That's so funny.

I go back in there. I play the video game a little bit more. I walk out again. They laughing again. I go back inside I play in the video game I walk back outside they're laughing again

you know what I mean and then it dawns on me about the fourth time that they're laughing at me it took four times yeah bro my people laugh my dad had bought me these Adidas and Adidas had like these spikes on them unlike the top was it like it's like soccer cleats

no it was like they were my dad Dad was like, oh, son, I bought you some futuristic shoot. He was like, you're going to be bad in need. And I was, when he ripped, I was like, oh, okay, I'll wear him. And we was going to the movies. He was like, hey, boy, you're going to wear them shoes and future shoes I bought you? So I bought the shoes. I'm walking around, whatever, whatever.

My sister, Ebony was like, I don't like them. I just tell you right now. But when I came out, I looked and the girls are laughing again. And then they started walking towards me and they walked by. And they were like, oh, my God, them shoes. Mortify. That is how the in-sales feel about the boys. For the first three seats,

they're not sure. They didn't realize that everybody was laughing at them. Yeah. Everybody, that's all you, they didn't realize. And now they feel just like I felt when I realized that those girls were laughing at my shoes. Did you ever wear the shoes again? Fuck, no. Yeah.

Well, you didn't make those shoes your identity. Because this was the summer, I'm pretty sure. I can't remember. And I was, them shoes couldn't see McKinley High. It would never happen. They failed the Bar-Marshey-Mall test. But you guys are there, man. They laughing at y'all.

Y'all daddy shouldn't have bought you on the shoes. Well, last question. Were these women fine? Yes. Shit. Tough. They look good. God, damn.

All the colors of the rainbow. They had a chocolate sister. The Captain Planet Crew. They had one, and they were cute. You know why? Because it was the night out at the mall for them. So they were wearing shirts all with their names on them. And I was like, damn, I want to talk to the girls with the shirts with their names on them.

Is that a thing you guys used to do? I've never heard of this. This is, that's new to me. The girls, they had little shirts and they have their name on it. Like Walmart employees? No, they didn't have. No, not name tags. They would have.

That's name tags. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I was like, you're coming out. Yeah, I was like, you know what? You know what? I'll tell you something else about y'all that I realized, y'all niggas not from the hood. And that's another thing. If y'all ain't never seen nobody that had the shirts with the name on it or any of the airbrush.

No, I see the spray-painting name. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I've seen nag. You were, you was acting. You were like, they were clear. The names was embroidered. They had all tan shirts.

The name was embroidered in black. And then they had airbrush shit. They was from Barclay Place. Now, I remember, like, the airbrush, you know. Yeah. You don't remember those. You don't remember. of that shit.

Like 2005, 2006? Do you think they just stopped air brushing around the 2000? I don't know what y'all know. I'll just be honest with you. We lose in recipes. That's very true.