The Ringer-Verse - 'The Boys' Season 3 Finale Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 10, 2022

Midnight Boys on 'The Boys' is back to talk about the explosive Season 3 finale (03:56). They take a look at the reuniting factions of 'The Boys' and whose side they would be on in the final showdown (28:24). Later, they rank this season on the Midnight Meter and predict what they would like to see from a Season 4 (60:36). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Addition Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's Joe. We leave that in just like that. Steve. Almond Joy, the cuddly summer lover bear. Old Man Van, he of the receding, growing back in hairline, about to be rejuvenated hairline, and Coke Baby Chuck, 24-carat closer. Together, we are known as a midnight, boys. Oh, phew, phew!

Programming, my! Okay, Monday, the House of R will be giving you their deep dive into Thor, Love, and Thunder. We had some things to say about Thor, Thor, Love, and Thunder. You guys, before we get into the boys, Does anyone want to amend anything? You know, we should amend that, like Thor said in game. Does anybody want to amend anything? No amendments.

I'm sticking by the seven, the midnight meter seven. I'm rocking my nine. I'm staying true to me. We're just like the Senate. No amendments, baby. I am the Senate. I am the Senate. Okay, before we get to it, Palpatine has some bars.

Do it. Do it. Not from a Jedi. Not from a Jedi. I honestly don't know how y'all to watch the prequels anymore because the whole the whole time I would be watching

Palpi and be like, damn, this motherfucker was out here getting it. He was like Boris Johnson. Like, just out. Running fucking circles around the Jedi. Everybody's stupid, man. Jeal odd. Do it.

All right. Wednesday. the Midnight Boys are going to be back to give you our reactions on the season finale of Miss Marvel. People are asking a question I have to answer, like, why we weren't in on the penultimate episode of Miss Marvel yet. There's a very simple reason why the content jumble just became a lot for us to navigate with everything that we're covering.

So we decided to give the boys its own episode, the penultimate, and then we'll come back in and do me. Miss Marvel, but you guys, we're working our asses off and doing the best that we can. Okay, three different shows, movies, all kinds of stuff that's happening right there. All right. We also all have other podcasts, so like, because I think we actually had the conversation where

like, do we want to give y'all penultimate Miss Marvel and the boys on the same episode and short shift them all? Or if we just do a penultimate Miss Marvel and season finale, give you all Miss Marvel goodness. So we're thinking about it, guys. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So on the show the Hey, we're finally here. The best show on television is sadly coming to an end, but we are going to take a look at the season three finale of the boys. And what an accomplishment by Eric Kripke and the entire team this season. What a fantastic season of television. We're going to look at it right now. Before we do it, we have to remind you guys something that this is an Instagram podcast

where we talk about a show that we watched and you guys come to, but because we have to hold your hands through everything, we're going to do it one more time with the trusty spoiler warning, see, hit it. We're getting ready to talk about the... You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Now, we have to get into the reactions,

but we have to know what we know. And how are we going to do that? How are we going to know things by getting in the know with our friend Chuck Wagon as we do the Midnight Manifestown? check it up. All right, this is the last midnight manifest for season three of the boys, the instant white hot wild directed by Sarah Boyd, written by Logan Ritchie and David Reed. Homelander shows up to take Ryan away after convincing his son that his role in the death of his mother wasn't

his fault. Pressured by Starlight supporters at an incoming search warrant, the Deepman Ashley tried to transport maive out of vaught, but mave ends up escaping. Frenchie gets his hands on the nerve agent that will help dispatch Soldier Boy, and Mother's Milk has a heart to heart with Frenchie about losing control in front of his daughter. Black Noir returns to Vought to help Homelander take down Soldier Boy, but when Black Noir reveals that a new Soldier Boy was Homeland's biological father, Homelander kills his former ally. In an effort to save Huey, Butcher knocks him unconscious so he won't take any more attempt V. In response, Huey reunites and apologizes to Starlight and the boys, consisting of Mother's Milk, Frenchie, Kimiko, Huey, Starlight, and Maeve. Go to stop

Butcher and Soldier Boy from killing Homelander, which won't undoubtedly kill thousands of of people at Vaugh HQ. Unfortunately, Mave switch his sides and allies with the butcher and soldier boy. Putscher and Soldier Boy throw the remaining boys in a safe. At Vaugh, Homelander tries to convince Soldier Boy to switch sides and join him and Ryan in ruling the world. But Soldier Boy attacks his son and grandson. Butcher decides to help Homelander get rid of Soldier Boy in order to protect Ryan. The huge fight ensues, but when the boys escape, they had to plan to get rid of Soldier Boy once or for all.

Eventually, Soldier Boy is cornered, but when he's about to detonate, Maeve sacrifices herself. save everyone. A few days later, it's revealed. Mave is depowered, but safe and reunited with the love of her life. The boys welcome Starlight into their group. Puscher is told he only has about a year to live as a result of taking too much temp V, and we end on Homelander and Ryan together with Homelander killing a protester who throws something at Ryan, which his son, malevently, malevently smiles at. And that is your midnight manifest.

You love that. Charles, what a great thing you just did with the Midnight Manifest You. Thank you. Jesus Christ. All right, guys, we'll start it right here. Chuck Waggon, what did you think

of the season finale? I think just up top this season, season three is by far the best season of the boys. I've enjoyed this in terms of like superhero content, probably the most of any TV show

that we've watched this year. I think everything was riding so high for the season finale. I was so hyped for it because I wanted to know what was going to happen to everybody. I was just like, no one's making it out of this episode

intact or alive. And I'm not saying that the season finale was bad by any stretch. I enjoyed myself quite a bit, but it didn't really do everything that I thought it would in terms of kind of like ratcheting up that intensity that we've gotten all throughout the season. And it felt like to me it did the very Eric Kripke, supernatural type of TV type thing where it's like, we need a season four. So all these characters you love have to be here. And I got that on a like, yeah, y'all need to keep this going level.

But on like a fan level, I'm like, man, this was like one step behind where I needed it to be, if I'm going to be honest. Okay. Obviously, I totally disagree. I love the show with a burning white hot passion. Okay. And I really enjoyed the season finale. and let me tell you why I disagree with some of the things you said.

Number one, I yearn for the days. I was watching New Hope a couple of days ago and, you know, solo comes in and he blasts, Skywalker's careening towards ending the Death Star. And he's about to get destroyed by Vader, who's behind him. I have you now.

The fourth is strong with him. I can't sense he's my son. Don't know why. and solo blast him into space. And we see Vader's tie fighter or whatever is his fighter flailing into space. Doesn't die. He's going to be back.

We need him for two more movies. All right. This is not the end of his story. I yearn for the days when villains are defeated but not killed. I yearn for the days where everybody, for those season finale is where everybody gets put on ice and we come back to see where the story goes. I think the most important thing for a season finale to do for me is not to end stories, but to start new ones.

See, that's my thing with the season finale. With the season finale, what I want to see is not where the show went, but where it's going. And so I think the thread between Homelander and Ryan is fucking fascinating. Butcher having only a year to live. Amazing. Starlight joining the boys. How is that going to work? Victoria Newman is now in a situation where she's,

he's going to be the vice president. It seems like despite the fact that Soldier Boy went on ice again, that they're in more danger than they were before. And now,

they have to deal with the fact that Homelander has an ally, their emotional stakes. I enjoyed it for that reason. Did I think that the body count was going to be higher? Sure. I thought Mabe was for sure out of there.

I thought, I thought, I thought Mave was a cadaver. I thought Mave was for sure out there before it even started. And I thought that they might ice Soldier Boy, too. I'm interested in what they're going to do with that character in the future. You know what I mean? It seems like that arc is finished.

But other than that, I got answers to everything. Mother's Milk, Frenchie and Kimiko. Frenchie stood up for himself. He wants some vacation days. I really enjoyed it. What about the rest of the guys? Mint boys jump in, minty fresh, smacking motherfuckers. I would have thought that there was going to be a higher body count.

Not to say that all of this needs to amount in a body count, but there's definitely like a sort of thing where every, all of these pieces are rearranged in a different order. And we don't expect that. We expect the boys to kind of deliver us this bombastic finale that like results in a couple of things of consequence happening and then confusion. But now we kind of kind of. of like all really have a good set of stakes laid out for a third season already, pretty well

telegraphed. I liked this finale quite a bit, but again, I think it was like, it kind of fell softly for me. I think it's interesting that you bring up a new hope man, because when I was watching it, I thought we were going to get something like Empire Strikes Back, you know, where our guys just like are just like L's, and we're looking around and it's like him, her, him, her, bodies, bodies, bodies, bodies. But it wasn't like that. You know, we, like, while they did take, they did take a couple L's,

everybody is still on the chessboard for the future. And while I think, yeah, it wasn't like totally my favorite episode. That doesn't, by no means, means it was a bad episode of TV. I still enjoyed it. I still understand where it's going in the future.

So while I personally thought, like, oh, I thought we'd get a little bit more carnage, I was still like, I understand what's going on. I understand why all these people have to be left here. Like, let's get it. Let's get to it. I'll just have you guys,

I'll just have you guys remember. Nobody died in the empire. Okay. Yoda faded away, but that's, that is really it. Hardly killed. Yeah,

hardly killed. Nobody, like, 900 years old. We had one motherfucking carbonite. We got to go save them. That's your hon did not die. Nobody, like, nobody died. the Empire.

Luke lost his arm. He did. Also, watching this episode, there's this thing that's like in the, Homelander is such a great villain, but I think because Homelander is so powerful,

it is this thing that they're starting to have trouble with where we kind of end season three, where we end season two, where we're at a point where Homelander has everyone in his sights.

He has Butcher, he has the boys. He can go off and get rid of them, but story-wise, we need a reason to keep everyone around. Obviously, he can't just kill the boys. We're not going to have a TV show. But, like, watching the end of this, I was just like, wow, I get it.

Like, I get it on a storytelling level. But part of me is just like, can we do another, if the season four finale is once again Homeland or having everyone in the sites and everybody walking away, it's going to start getting iffy in terms of, like, logically, like how does he keep letting his arch enemies just walk? So this is my thing. I understand what you're saying and I'm not saying that it's wrong.

But this concept isn't novel. Like we do this. I'm not saying it's novel. But this is what we do. The reality is, hey, Batman, kill the Joker. You got them for the... I think that's what makes Homelander... And I'm not by any means saying that this was the best episode of the series.

It was a great episode of the boys. But obviously, I think the show had its best couple of episodes this season. And I didn't expect the season finale to be the best episode of the season. But I think what I'm saying is that a homelander becomes a more interesting character when Ryan's involved. To me, because it's hard to put, it's hard to define what it is that he wants, you know? Yeah. He wants love. He's gotten love from the kid, but now he's also more dangerous maybe than he's ever been

because he kills someone right in front of everyone and they don't care, which is, of course, alluding back to Trump saying that he could kill somebody in the middle of Times Square and nobody would care, right? And then Homelander essentially does kill someone in the middle of Times Square and nobody cares. So seeing Homelander now almost achieve some of the goals that he wanted to achieve, he kind of beat the boys if you really want to be honest about it. Really? I didn't

walk away thinking Homelander won. I actually thought if like, because here's the thing, listeners, I enjoyed the season. I'm not saying that the season finale was bad. It was just like not to your point, Van, I think the last three episodes were the season operating at a level that I just

was not expecting. So the season finale, a little bit under that. But I left this being like, yes, Homelander, finally has his child, but he's really backed into a corner where Vaught is in shambles. He's looking at the deep Ashley and an A-Train like, dog, this is the team I got to take to the finals. Like he's like, dog, y'all are fucking useless. His best friend Black Noir is done.

Like, I was walking away being like, what the fuck? He got Ryan, man. Yeah, but here's the thing. He's getting what he thought he wanted the whole time. and what I'm actually interested in is him seeing how hard fatherhood is because he is so like unprepared

to be a loving father and I think he can't have a tantrum with this kid you know what I mean? He has to be an adult he has to be somebody who loves something unconditionally and if we know anything about Homelander,

homelander's love comes with nothing but conditions. So that's actually what I'm so interested in seeing next season. Let's stay on Homelander for a second because he did the unthinkable in this episode, man. This was shades. This to me was shades of Nino Brown and G. Money. It was shades of Scarface and Manolo. Every time I watch Scarface, I'm like, yo, Scarfitt. I'm like, Tony, why did you kill Mani, bro? What the hell is going on with you? You kill Mani. He has to kill Black Noir. He injusticed him.

And then the Superman killed the Joker and the justice put his hand through him. No, that she was telling, I knew that motherfucker was out of there. The man goes up to my news. I'm going to be honest with you. I felt so bad for Black Noir when he died. I felt so bad for Black Noir when he died, man. It almost made me emotional. Like, I needed Bozeman.

He went out of his dad. Yeah, no, the show does this great thing where in the previous episode, they give us, you know, a lot of, the shows do this. Like, it's pretty good in anime, right? Where you'll be watching a side character. And they'll be like, yeah, man, let me take you through my past. Let me show you where I've been. And you know, ah, it's looking grim for your boy. It's about to get down. And the previous episode, we go through, you know, how Black Noir got to be Black Noir, what his relationship with Soldier Boy was. You know, and you're like, oh, this is, you know, what makes. You know, makes him him.

He's going to go back to Vod. He's going to see what happens, right? But as soon as Homelander went to face the dude from the front, I was like, it's a pack. He's about to get punched to the chest. Anytime somebody, he does this, I'm like, oh, boy, it could be, it could be.

Well, when he was like, hey, that's the bang, did you know? Yeah. Did you know that that was my pops? Right? Did you know my dad was a lot of this whole time? And Black Dwar nods? I was like, ah.

And actually, can we be real? That's something, that's something from like, the black community. Like you can't really blame Black Noir for that shit. He's like, did you know? I'm just like, dog, it wasn't my business to tell you. Like, dog, I knew your parents, but it really wasn't my business to be out here just telling you.

Charles is so correct. We be knowing, oh my God, Charles. That is a great point. We'd be knowing who these people's fathers are and we don't say nothing. Hey, is that that boy's real dad? Hey, that ain't up to you. That's between them.

That's between them. Stay your ass in this household. Because grandma said that's not his fault. Hey, son, sit your ass down. You know, Charles is right. We be knowing. We don't tell. Charles is right.

Yeah. But then you see, then you see, like, again, he's lying on the floor and his, his pals. I'm not going to lie. I just can't handle it, bro. That was tough. That was tough. Yeah. That got me.

We are so proud of you. We are so proud of you. It fucked with me. we'll see you on the other side. I was like, yo, those are the only people we've ever seen him connect with

and see them send him off. That was hard. But when they said, we'll see you on the other side. I'm like, they ain't talking about heaven because he definitely ain't going up there. You don't know that.

It's not your job to judge that. I mean, if I'm just looking at him. You don't know anything about that. You know what? Let's move on before we get to men of things. I want to because I want to give Black Noir. They think that like bummed me out.

a little bit is I'm like, I knew Black Noir was going to get packed up. I was like, dog, y'all can like send him out with a like nice fight. Like, y'all can send him out at least like he went down swinging. Like he didn't get nothing. Like he was sharpening the sword. I'm like, let him use a little bit of the sword. Like, come back. The only thing that that I would say for Black Noir is that his arc is so fundamentally

different in the show that it is from the book. that is the character almost in a way seemed unfulfilled because they knew that they knew that they really couldn't do what they did in the graphic novel with him we never really get a sense of what black noir really is he was kind of just there for a bunch of seasons you know and yeah while in the graphic novel there's this huge reveal about who black noir is spoiler alert uh here you never really got it and so it was interesting to me that i felt anything at all when he died, to be honest with you. You know what I mean?

You know, you know? What do we think about Homelander? Just destroying the deep. Destroying a train. And poor damn Ashley. Poor Ashley.

No. What do you mean? I need poor Ashley. No, I'm sad to get her back. No tears for Ashley. No. God, no. What has Ashley really done that makes you guys feel bad?

Horrible thing. She kept Maeve locked up in the fucking prison. You kidding me? Can you ask you a question? What choice does she have? Hey, man. You want to know? Seriously.

That's what, that's a slippery slope. That's what the fascist saying. Everybody's like, what choice do motherfuckers have? Yes. I mean, to be honest with you, though. Don't go this way. Don't go this way.

Don't, don't go this way. You know what, Steve? Get off your ass. Everybody, like, everybody says, everybody says that, they would put their life on the line before you would let Homeland kill you. Then you go out and eat a piece of pepperoni pizza. You know, you can't like, until you've been in that situation, holding a woman hostage and eating pepperoni pizza.

I'm saying, if your life is on the line, I think we're judging Ashley. I'm not saying Ashley is a great character, but I'm saying I look at Ashley, to be honest with you. And there are times in the season where you can tell she's feeling it a little bit. She likes the power. No, no, but she's also, she's got the most powerful. powerful being in the fucking world right there. She's also racist as hell, man.

Is she racist? Dog, she literally sat in front of fucking A-Train and Blue Hawk. It was just like, yeah, yada yada, shut the fuck up. Like, go do your shit. Black Lives Matter stop. Like, come on. But let me, like, in defensive Ashley once again. Oh, man.

Oh, no. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? In defensive, Ashley, once again, I look at Ashley as being. sort of human, like the example of human frailty. And Ashley is desensitized because she tells A-Train, I can't really get into you being sanctimonious right now because I've had to cover up for you killing so many people.

Excuse me if I'm not, excuse me, if I'm not all fired up right now for what you're going through because I've seen you be subhuman for all of this time. Then don't do the, don't do the, but Chicago, though, like, don't do that shit. This is like the one Trump aide that decided to speak up after working there for three years. Like, you don't get a gold star from me. Like, you don't have any sort of, no, like, you could, you could be in an incredible situation because you like the power. You could be in, like, put in an, in a, it's how I know you're in too deep. The Freemasons gave you a call then.

It's not true. It's just I, you know, you know what the difference is? Play Van, Vandol. Okay. Play it. Van is old. You guys are still young enough to be in your pure

idealism face. I've lived long enough. I've lived long enough to see people do things that you wouldn't think that they would do when put in certain situations and to understand the complexity of human beings. I worked at TMZ for nine years. Okay, so...

Listen, her whole Instagram is black squares. Right, right. Right. Like, you know what I mean? So she's woke. Come on, man. Get that out of. Okay. So A-Train. A-Train's big moment with his brother. A-Train has a new heart. He can run. He is now. I was expecting something to happen.

Steve has right here in the document was A-Train's plot, unfulfilled. Or maybe it's Arjuna's document. I'm not sure. Is it Steve? Is Arjuna? It's kind of like, did Dave write that sketch? It's a collaboration. Did Neil write that sketch? Who wrote it? But I was expecting something a little bit more from A train's plot line. I'm not going to lie. The scene with his brother was very moving. But I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't quite that, Charles. Oh, I totally agree.

I think we are at a point where the boys has an embarrassment of riches in terms of characters. And when someone like A-Train or I would even say the deep, their plot lines kind of get a little bit, like to the side. I understand it because they have to do so much in this episode. But yeah, I was looking at even like A-Train. Wait, is this the one where, is this the episode where he goes to his, to his brother's house? And his brother's like, get out of here.

I'd never want to see you again. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was kind of like, all right, man, sure. All right. I thought it was interesting. No, I thought it's interesting because,

it's very meta, right? Because the whole time we've been like, hey, man, every time A train, we think he's turned a corner. Yeah, just doing something worse. And his brother says the same thing. And we're like, yes, exactly our problem with the character is the same problem you have. Right? Like, we are seeing the same thing.

And then it was tough to see his brother be like, I don't want to ever see you again. Like, get out of here, bro. That was hard. You know, I got a little brother, you know. I can't imagine. I'm calling your little brother. A train? Your little brother's A train?

Oh man, but I'm saying in a In a familial relationship Wow. Right? To see family be like, I don't ever want to see you again. Regardless of, you know, how we feel about the problem.

And I was like, dang, that had to hurt A train. Like, I know for a fact, like A train like he's not going to take that easy. That's not going to go down well. Especially because he thought he was doing something good. Exactly. Right. So in the next seasons going forward, I am very

interesting to see how that affects him because having your family say, I never want to see you again. Get out of my life. That's got to hurt. That has to hurt. Hurt very bad. And then, you know, with the fact that he thought he was killing Blue Hawk, he thought that would be something that his brother would want him to do. And knowing that his brother said he wanted to see Blue Hawk, uh, his mugshot on, on the news, rather than him being dead, he doesn't want to see his, y'all.

younger brother descend more into depravity, he wants to see him come back from it. And because he wants to do that and A train's not giving him that he's disappointed. I don't think, though, that that's going to last. I think that A train's going to keep reaching out. At some point, family always wins, you know. Family wins. To me, I think family wins. And I think that's kind of a theme in this episode, too.

family winning, you know what I mean? You have a situation to where what ends up being the thing that not humanizes homelander, but makes him weirdly relatable is the fact that he has a son that he's almost going to leave it to beaver fatherly like way to the son, which is interesting. And then the boys, the family of the boys, like, you know, they get a little bit bigger, but that becomes the thing that's most important to them. This episode is brought to by Borris Head. What if we told you the taste of deep fried turkey

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Which faction of the boys would you guys have been down with? Would you guys have been down with the butcher faction or with the anti-butcher faction? Whose side would you guys have been on? The butcher faction was like the Nets. They should have.

Like they should have won a championship. But that motherfuckers just can't work together. Like butcher, fucking Mave, Soldier Boy. I was actually pissed. I'm like, dog, y'all can't just get rid of Homeland or right fucking now. Y'all just can't like set aside your differences. Pop, pop, pop. Get them rid of the powers and then move on.

That was wild to me. Also, like when Soldier Boy hits Ryan, everybody's like, it's like the slap. They're like, oh my God. slapped a child and I'm like, dog, this is, this is the moment where y'all realize this motherfucking ain't shit? It took this. Really? Let me tell you why they played that wrong.

They have a way to beat Soldier Boy. If they were smart, they were to use Soldier Boy to take out Homelander, then put Soldier Boy back on ice. They have a way to beat Soldier Boy. They still don't know if they can beat Homelander. So, yeah, they still don't know if they can beat him without Soldier Boy. Maybe they can use soldier boys' powers to understand what it is that they need to depower Homelander, but they can't do that right now.

You know, maybe Homelandian gets depowered and then he has to turn to Ryan to do his bidding. You never know. But if you're being strategic about it, if you're using strategery, then you can kill two birds with one stone right there. Where do the boys stand right now? How do y'all feel about that? there is a weird air in that building now

you know with everything that's gone on in terms of like French and Kimiko got their own thing clearly like they they French was not to talk about dental and vacation days like he's like on his own thing mother's milk right is sick and tired of butcher's stuff

and butchers got a year to live right they are like they are like kind of like we see them together and you know they're all you know pretending to be one happy family but really it's it's kind of fractured at this point their unionization effort is not going to succeed i'm going to be honest well i mean i think you know ultimately becomes the five of them against butcher not he's kind of a brown nose er if we're going to be real yes and that's also there's a bond between hughy and him though Yeah.

Yes. Huey believes in butcher now more than any of the rest of him easily because Huey knows that that butcher won't go that extra extra mile. And butcher's character did come back from the edge by a butcher's character came back from the edge a little bit. This is a little bit of a reformed, not a little bit, a fucking lot of a reformed butcher. He put together his, he put aside, you're shaking your head, Charles is just fucking true. He put aside his single, mind.

focused and quest to kill Homelander on Ryan's behalf. He also knocked Huey out on Huey's behalf. You say no, Charles? I mean, Pitcher was running around all season fucking everything up.

I'm going to be real. Like, you get to the, you've literally thrown everyone under the bus. You get to the finish line. You got Homelander in your sights because y'all aren't a team, because you don't got the strategy, you fuck it up.

So I'm looking at everything that he's been through the season. I'm like, dog, this was a waste, bro. This was a waste. I give you points for that. It was tough for him kind of, not bowing out at the last minute,

but really like kind of having this one change of heart that is, I don't know how much it's going to inform him in the next season because now he's just kind of like, okay, butcher 2.0, like let's kill the vice president type of thing. I think I probably would have, if I was in a position like Huey to like believe that,

you know, he's going about the right thing the wrong way. It's just about, you know, perspective. I kind of would have stuck with Butcher for a little bit. I don't know. We're doing the thing again. This is how these shows work. This is how this comic book stuff works.

Loki killed 100 people. After a couple of movies, we're like, hey, let's be cool with Loki, Ragnar. We're hanging around. It's cool. We're all fine. We're a soldier. Killing shield agents left and right.

literally crashing airplanes. He kicked the dude into a propeller. It was nasty. Kicked a dude into a propeller. Ripped the cockpit off a plane, shooting people up. Hey, he's got some bad programming. Winter Soldier's our friend.

He's flirt with Sam's sister. You warrant yourself. Clint Barden, I could keep going. Like, I can keep going. What happens is we always get, we always put these characters in a position, Darth Vader.

You guys have no clue the carnage, okay? You guys have seen it. The carnage, he's killed so many people. Blowing up planets. Blowing up planets. Snapping the neck of children on screen. But you know what?

It's okay because he doesn't want to kill his own son. Duh, nigger! Like he doesn't want to kill his own son. So he's all right with us. Force ghost them up. This happens. I want to revisit something that happened on the podcast when I was bringing up the friend zone.

we don't think that you guys say that you don't think that Kimico has put Frenchy in the friend zone because you guys... There's no such thing as the friend zone, but can't... No such thing. Explain this thing to me. I didn't know this. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. How does it... Why does it the friend zone exist?

It is a very, how do I... outdated way to think about relationships, especially if we're thinking about the patriarchy and the ways we talk about how men and women or anybody in a relationship acts and how men generally have the power. So the minute a woman does not want affection from you, it's like, damn, you put me in the friend zone, ma.

Like, we're moved past that. We're trying to be more actualized beings. Can a woman be put in the friend zone? There's no such thing as the friend zone. There's no such thing as a friend zone. So if somebody wants to, because this is my thing because I think the friend zone does exist. And I'll be honest with you,

There's a moment that I stop with you guys' roses and lilies. Don't do that. Play a old. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it.

Van is old. The friend zone to me, it's not a male-female thing. It's, hey. I've friends-owned women before. It's, hey, you want to be in a relationship with somebody. They like you as a friend. It's a zone. It's nothing more than that.

I stand on it. Moving on. Now, Vaught Tower. Biggest takeaways from this final confrontation. Everybody's fighting everyone. Then all of the sudden, no one's fighting anyone. Then all of the sudden, Starlight's the most powerful being in the universe. No, we got a quarter flip.

We got a quarter flip. I was about to. yeah. Makes no damn sense. Like, yo, I never see Starlight act like this. Like, if all it took for Starlight to be the most powerful motherfucker was for people to turn up the lights, why were people doing this shit from the beginning? Like, I was like, damn, I didn't know Starlight had it like that.

And I get it. I get it from a storytelling standpoint. But, yo, like, what are we doing here? I don't even know how Starlight's powers work at this point. To be honest with you, it seemed. the whole season, all she did was threaten people with her eye color change. And so, you don't want this.

You don't want this. And then every time she did it, do you know what they said? Fuck you. Like, every single time Starlight threatened somebody, they puked the shit out of her. I don't know if I can say poems. Is that? Okay, guys.

They puked the shit out of her. Every time Starlight said she did something. like the eyes changed and Victoria goes, no. The eyes changed and Homeland and went, no. It's like every time the eyes are changed, people would be like, I don't give a fuck. But shit, she was like, I thought she would, she had turned into her binary form or gone super saying on the motherfucker or some shit

like that. Like I didn't know. Jomi, did you know? No, I mean, I don't know. She has like a secondary form, but what I can tell you is that it makes a lot of sense that Starlight, who, you know, power is powered by light would get even more powerful when there's so much light that like people got to shield their eyes. Like, there's no need to quarter flip. Like I understand. I see the vision.

Where was this the entire season? Was she getting light shown upon her the entire season? Can she go to Home Depot and buy some flashlights? Like, God damn, Jomey. You just keep that, keep that strap on me. got a 12 vote. No, man. Like this,

like it makes sense. Or maybe the sun. Maybe don't worry like that. Right? Maybe, you know what I'm saying? Maybe it's an official light. Maybe it's,

you are, you are right in the fact that Charles, we don't really know how this 100% works. But I mean, we are three seasons in. So I would like at least to know that I'm just like, if to Vance point, if you're going to punker the entire season

where everybody's just like laughing, like, what are you going to do with that shit? And then at the end, she's like strong enough to like almost Dispatch Soldier Boy, I'm like, well, we got to fill in the gap between her not being shit and her being one of the most powerful. And this is Charles being in love with power scaling, yes. I'm doing it again.

I'm doing it again. Yo. But isn't that like a thing, though, if her eyes shine, everybody's like, bro, get out of here, you're not for it. You know what I'm saying? You're not with the smoke. Da-da-da-da-da. And then at the end of the season, her eyes light up.

She gets, you know, all the Vat lights on her. And she's big time now. She's like, hey, y'all was punking me. What's up? I'm about to hit him with this. That's an arc in itself. So like, come on now. Let's have some respect.

Let's have some respect for Starlight. That's how it gets down. That's how it gets down. That makes sense to me. Last night, I was watching this YouTube channel, this guy named Crisis, and he does these power scaling videos, and they are super intricate.

get everybody go check out crisis is this the person that gave uh batman beyond omega level but beyond omega level is something that uh comics explain does you might i don't know if you're talking about the comics explain does batman beyond be omega level and they do all of that stuff um but crisis does black man stuff but he was going into this super detailed i'm gonna put it in the chat in the group chat super detailed explanation of power so scaling when it comes to like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker and all of this. And I thought about Charles the entire time. It's 11 at night.

And I'm thinking about Charles. I'm like, Jesus Christ, Charles would love this fucking. No, you got to, you got to send me this. You got to text me this. Like, I'm tempted. Like, all of this power scaling, this guy's using equations. He's using George Lucas quotes. He's using all he is going deep.

He's using every to try to scale the powers. While we're in this corner, like let's stay here. Can I just say, throughout this entire season, I'm starting to get this feeling that is Homelander as powerful as we think he is, because Mave is someone I thought like,

damn, like she's going to get cooked. But Mave, when she's really getting busy, like she's been training for this, I was like, damn, like, a homelander could get God. If you really catch him on an off day, you can get a few in on Homeland. And I think Mave knew that when she saw that

he was scared of Soldier Boy. He's able to be bruised. I thought that fight was amazing, but I'm like starting to think, if you coordinated well enough, can you get him out of here? Well, here's the thing about this. This is a Superman Wonder Woman thing

that is a familiar refrain from the comic books. Like, we're not sure depending on the writer is depending on a writer we're not sure how Superman stacks up against Wonder Woman

sometimes it's Wonder Woman is as strong as Superman shit we don't even know if Wonder Woman can fly sometimes she can

sometimes she can't you know sometimes it's Superman is as strong as Wonder Woman sometimes it's or Superman is the strongest and Wonder Woman's right there

we never really know and that's why when they have fights they never really resolve who's stronger I think we all know that Superman is stronger than Wonder Woman, but they never ever write her just getting washed by him. I remember in Kingdom Come,

Superman grabs Wonder Woman's sword, and when he grabs her sword, he puts his thumb on the blade and he starts bleeding. And she goes, oh, yeah, magic. Like, you forgot. The magic can earn. So that would make me think that Wonder Woman could take the fucking sword and stab him right there.

through the chest and then kill him. But who knows? Wait, have you all read Wonder Woman Dead Earth? Because in that, Wonder Woman takes Superman's spy now. Right. So I'm saying is you never, you never know. So when I saw them fighting, I'm like, huh,

it makes the kind of sense. You don't know who's going to win. What's going to happen? Steve has some thoughts? No, I was kind of along those lines where, like, the immediate comp is a Superman versus Wonder Woman comp. when maybe they don't entirely work like that.

Like, you know, Mave's power set is like a tad more complex than just, you know, raw strength. And maybe Homelander isn't as strong as we think he is. Like the fact that she just kind of stabbed him in the ear and I thought that was it. I was like, wait a minute. Did we just kill Homelander by stabbing him in the ear? And I was, I mean, she punched him in his nose and bust his nose. Right, yeah. But that's the thing.

I was like, wait, can he, can he just be gotten like that? Because here's the thing, too. Like, what I was thinking is if Mave is a better hand-to-hand combatant, even if she doesn't have the strength of Homelander, I feel like with some more training, she could have been on a better side of that fight. I'm getting too deep into this. No, no, no, no, Charles, because I see the vision.

My thing with Homelander is, Homelanders not been tested. Yeah. Hollander don't mean the streets. He don't mean the trenches. He does laser you and go. He don't know really what it is to put. Hands on people. This episode is brought to you by Sweet Green.

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Chuck Wagon Yeah That you feel like Mave being spared Was sort of a cop-out I actually don't I actually was happy to see her Because I think the easiest thing in this show

Would be to like Get rid of the woman superhero But I thought that it was actually something That was kind of beautiful Giving her a happy ending Like when she's reunited with the love of her life. I actually thought that that was, that was kind of beautiful.

I was happy that she's around. So yeah, I mean, one thing I will say, this isn't a quarter flip. We need something that's like a dime flip. It was like at the end where like Starlight's looking at Soldier Boy blowing up and she's like, nah, you got this Mave. I was just like,

yeah, like, why are you like? She was just like, nah, this is you. Wait. I'm tuckered out. You can get this. Yeah, you really ain't, you kind of low on the call sheet, Mave. Like, it'll be fine. They won't miss you. Starlight can fly. Starlight unlocked the ability to fly. Here's the thing. Why didn't

she fly my man out there, put him in the air and fly away. Like she's like... Just heat him into the ocean or something. We'll pour one out for you. I would like Starlight did her dirty. If we're going to be honest. Go back and watch that. Starlight's not with that bullshit anymore. I like it. So Soulge Boy

is back under. Grace is keeping on aisle. Mave is powerless. I think Mave is done on the show. I would guess that Soldier Boy would be back. What do you all think? I got a prediction.

What's better than one Soldier Boy? I think if I'm thinking like the U.S. government, I'm analyzing Soldier Boy and be like, can we recreate the power to burn out compound V out of these heroes? Because that's actually what I would be scared of if I'm homelander being like, wait, there's a bunch of soldier boys running around who can literally steal powers at any given point.

Like, that's what I would want to see. Or create the weapon. The fact that we thought there was a gun. Yeah. Take the powers and make the actual gun, which might be more useful and more easily controllable. Oh, a gun, a gun that burns out like a, like a radio. Remember, that's what they were going to look for.

in the first place. They thought that there was a gun, but the gun ended up being soldier boy. So that they could probably use that to kind of figure that whole thing out. Mother's Milk and his daughter, that scene. Did M.M. Take a back seat in this episode a little bit. A little bit.

In a way that I like I like the resolution, but I easily think that Mother's Milk story to me, at least emotionally, was the one I was most invested in. Las like fucking killed it this season. So I really wish he got a little bit more time to cook in the finale. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We saw Todd, Todd, Todd, they got to get divorced, man. I need his best.

What is she seeing him? What is she seeing him? Yeah. Like, what does he got going on? Like, what are his quality? Financial stability, probably. Damn. I don't know.

I don't know he's got a good Subaru. What does that mean? Generational wealth? Yeah. You know, it's crazy. Y'all did all of that shit. Y'all did all of that shit earlier talking about misogyny and all of that. Now y'all saying that this woman married this man just for his money.

Wait, what's wrong with that? I'm not casting. Y'all saying, y'all said that she married him just for his money. She sees financial stability. If you got a kid involved, you think about, you think different. I can't judge because I was listening to Destiny's Child's bills, bills, bills, bills. And I realized the nigga in that was a genius. Can you imagine Dana Beyonce?

She's like paying your car note. Like you take shopping sprees. I was like, damn, this is a black king. Bill's Bill's Bill's Bill's is not about what people think it's about. Bill's Bill's Bill's, they think the song. I remember dudes was so mad when Bill's Bill's came out. They were like, oh my God, bro. Now we got to pay these chicks bills.

I'm like, dog, you work in Singular Wireless. Like, no one expects you to pay their bills. singular wireless. Wow. What a call back the singular wireless. No one to expect you to pay their bills,

man. I'm, so we're on the way to New Orleans right now in your fucking 96 C brain. Like nobody, nobody's expected you

to pay the bills. The song is about the fact that this guy is a mooture and then doesn't pay back what he owes. That's what the song. Black king.

That's when text messages cost money. I will, I will say bills, bills, bills, and no scrubs was a rough time. No,

no squirrels was different. Is that when the revolution began? No squirrels was different. No squirrels was, you can't even ride in the,

like you, like we were going to New Orleans and I would be in the passages side of the car and I would just be, you talking to a girl out the window and then like,

you would start to do it and you'd be like, nope. No. Uh-uh. get out of this car and come talk to you, Miss Lady, ma'am. I am no scrub.

Because no scrubs was different. That was like 18, 19 when that shit came up. All right. Now, a couple of things. What do we feel like it's going to happen with Ryan? So I was so distraught to see Ryan not only like go with Homelander, but like a look at butcher with those eyes. nah, you messed up. You had your chance. I'm just thinking, I'm rocking with pops. I was like,

dude, you messed up big time because Ryan is so impressionable. And then we get to the final scene where Homelander zips a dude up in the broad daylight, the middle of everybody. And Ryan's like, yeah, I'm rocking with this. I was like, oh, no, we're going to have this whole thing all over again where we're going to get another crazy superpowered laser bean superhuman just out here running amok. You didn't read that as like a little bit of conflict in him about what he just saw?

No, I know. He was smiling. No, at first I thought he was going to be scared, but then he smiled. Yeah. Wait, can I propose something to you? Like, Arjuna says full smile. Yeah, at first, he smiled.

Yeah. Things might change, but it's definitely like, butcher. You really butcher this one. up, pal. Are the homelanders, are the homelanders as a family in Skywalker territory where you kind of like, like genetically, y'all motherfuck is predisposed to be maniacs. Because it's just like, soldier boy to homeland or to Ryan. It's looking rough in the galaxy where I'm just like, come on. It's the same thing with like Vader, Luke to Kylo. I'm just like, guys, we got to get rid of this whole

like. But another thing that the family has in common, daddy issues. Yeah. The two families have daddy issues in common. Anakin had no dad. Might have been Dark Plagas. We don't know. You know what I mean? He's like Anakin had no dad. Okay. He's looking for a father. Whoever is his father's however he goes. His father is Quigon.

He's cool. His father slash brother is Obi-Wan. He eyed. Father Palpatine, we're out of here. You know what I'm saying? And then Luke grows up. No dad. Learns about his dad. Get so mad. Turns to the dark side for a second. darkening it up.

You know what I'm saying? So like, it's a lot of daddy issues in the sky. It's just like the Hollanders. It's daddy issues. The sins of the father. The sense of the father. I tell you guys something else. A very subtle thing happened in that last scene.

They've already spent quality time with one another. Do you know how you can tell? He can fly. He can fly. Ooh, yeah. Holander has taught Ryan how to fly. So they've already at that time, there's already been, there's been some trust built up because when Ryan comes in, he's flying, which means that his dad has taught him something,

has taught him how to fly. But you never taught that man how to fly? Not that he could. So he's looking at this like, probably like, oh, I've got something from this guy. I can fly around in the sky. And this is something I was because I'm watching it. And I flash back to Spider-Man Homecoming where they're in the car

and Vultures like, listen, you save my girl. So I owe you one. I won't kill you right now. You go to the dance, live your life. I'll forget everything ever happened. Do you think Homelander owes Butcher one for helping keep Ryan alive in that fight? I think he already cashed that shit

when he didn't kill Butcher right there. I think so, probably too. But at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if, to Jomey's point, this deepens the relationship between Homelander and Butcher going forward because I think it's already a very complicated relationship. And one that's like, you know, to Charles's point, why will Homeland just kill the boys? Right. Now that he is killing people in broad daylight, why didn't he just find them and kill them?

Also, that Butcher's sights aren't immediately set on Homelander now. And then the question is, despite the fact that we know, that Ryan's got darkness in him, would Ryan be okay with Homelander just killing Butcher? Is Ryan now a fail safe for Homelander from killing Butcher? Because there's still something there

from Ryan to Butcher. Would Ryan be okay with Homelander killing Butcher? Is that going to be something that keeps Butcher alive? You know what I mean? I think Butcher represents the last kind of vestige of Ryan's mom

where it's like this is his last real connection because it was actually heartwarming seeing Butcher run over to Ryan and protect him, shield him, when he thought everybody was going to die. Yeah. So I do think there's still a connection there. So I'm actually interested in seeing if Butcher only has a year to live, which, spoiler,

he's going to live past that. Yeah. He's going to spend it trying to get Ryan back. Yeah, he definitely will. Like, I don't think Butch will actually die next season. I don't know. No way. Yeah.

Yeah. Do we feel like Newman is our top villain of the next season, though? I don't know. Is Newman all bad? I mean, she's bad. She's evil, but she's evil in the same way her dad was. Like, to Stan Edgar, will we see Stan Eggers come back next season? I need him back.

Because here's the thing, everything he said was going to happen, a homelander happened. Like, dog, like Vaugh is in shambles, bro. And it, what, it's been like a month? Like, he couldn't even keep this play spinning for a month, bro. We need stand back. Yeah. So Stan Edgar will come back. The future of Vought, the future of A-Train, all of these things are in question. Like, all of these things are in question.

See what a good season finale. We have so many questions. We have so many reasons to come back and watch. My question for you is like, who are the heroes who are going to fill the holes on the seven? Because right now seven, he's looking rough. Seven is two? It's the three. It's the three. It's just three of them now.

I don't know that the seven exists anymore. But literally can. They're bringing it back. But I mean, this is a thing. That's another thing. Like, we will get a whole new team of seven people. Like, and it'll be, there'll be new heroes. They'll be fresh.

Maybe Vaught rehabilitates itself. Because remember, Vought, for Vought to go down, that's a lot for the American economy, man. We've seen Vought everywhere. There's Vought gas. There's Vought. Is there a couple of? company like Vaught in the real world. That does all of this stuff.

You can't go to no Amazon gas station, can you? I mean, but here's the thing. Amazon like owned shit, like servers and shit that we don't even think of. Like, servers? Like, yeah. Like, the internet just goes down. Right. No, no, he's right.

He's right. But like they have like breaking order like grocery stores. They have actual bookstores. Whole foods. Like they own so many things. Well, the reason that like, you know, not to get. to, you know, business about it. The reason Amazon is so profitable

because they just, they see the lines of production and say, okay, let's just buy all of that. So from building to shipping, we will just handle all of it. Right. That's why they've got so many fingers and everything. That's why they're so, such a big

conglomerate. And to Charles's point, that's basically why they are like the business on earth. Amazon has so many hands and everything. So many fingers and everything is a different podcast. All right. So,

so, like, you understood what I was saying. You got, you got the point. I know it's a hot Jomi summer. Relax. Wait,

so can I, can I ask you this? This is an old man van question. Do we think we're going to get a super friend situation? Like, you know where Robin was on the Justice League? And you're like, what's this motherfucker little,

little motherfucker doing on Justice League? What's he going to do? Do you think we're going to do? Do you think we're going to get a Ryan on the seven type thing where like Ryan has to be around A trade in the deep? And they have to take shit off him? Yeah. Ryan will beat the shit out of A train.

Do you think Ryan's going to play Xbox or PS5 with what fucking A train and call him the Edward? The A train can't do shit. It's going to be funny to see people cozying up to Ryan next year. Ryan to beat the shit out of A train, man. Smack the fuck out of A train. And don't give me, don't get me started on the deep. By the way, speaking of the state takes that stand behind, the deep as a fish, man.

No, he's not. Can we not? He's a fish. He's a fish. He's got gills, dog. The deepest a fish. Is that all it takes? I mean, having gills goes a long way to make you a fish. I'm not going to lie.

All right. It's Aquaman a fish? He doesn't have gills. He can breathe underwater. He doesn't have any gills that I know of. He doesn't have webbed hands that I know of. I know that he has different, a different, Is Namor a fish?

I've never seen gills. He's got gills. So what happened with the scales? If gills equals fish, that's such a small. That's a weird. What I'm saying is having gills makes you closer to a fish than not having gills. All right. So can I ask you this question?

Let's take this logically. Beast from the X-Men. Has fur. Has-Claas. Does that make him a bear? Is he out here fucking bears? If beast fuck the bear, I would have no problem with it. All right.

Get the fuck. All right. I'm going to be, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro,

he's an animal, dog. You got to go on time out. You got to go on time out. You got to go on time out. He's an animal, bro. He's a animal. Okay,

whatever, dog. All right. Jesus Christ. What was interesting, though, speaking of the Deep, the deep had a little, uh, had a little side mission.

Man had to go, uh, incognito and get rid of old boy. Right? He had to kill the vice president. So we talked about this President, right? We talked about this last

week. I guess the exchange between Newman and Homelander was that she would give Homelander the address for Ryan. If Homelander made sure that that guy died so she could become the VP pick. Yeah.

That was the exchange. Because she was basically the same thing she asked Starlight for. Yeah, yeah. Jove the Prognosticator got that one right. And so now she got what she want it. She's a target now. Yeah, she's a target. All right, it's time to do it, guys.

It is time to rank this season of the boys. On the easy to understand Midnight meter, for those unfamiliar, the Midnight Meter is where the Midnight Boys rate the film or the television show on a scale of 1 to 12.

Normal rankings of 1 to 10. Anything above is reserved only from timeless game-changing content. All that said, what do you rate season three of the boys on the midnight meter and explain why?

What order do we want to go in? I went last of the last time who you guys want me to go first this time or last one of clockwise. Yeah, you go first. You set the tone. 12. Whoa. Okay. Okay.

All right. That's a dip. There's a lot of chips. 12. It's a 12. It's a 12. 12 on the midnight meter. Oh, my.

12. It's not just a good season of television. It's not just a great season of television. I think it's a transcendent season of television that to me took the boys from being a show that people liked, past being a show that people loved, into being a show that is now can't miss. I would watch the boys before this, we all did, and you would sometimes see stuff from the boys pop up on social. When you're watching the show now, you see it all over the place. It is as big as any offering right now from the MCU or Disney Plus in Buzz or anything on Netflix in Buzz.

I'm not sure about the numbers. That plus the fact that the content itself in this season of the boys was some of the best season, one of the best season of superhero content I've ever seen on any platform ever in story, in development. and stakes and all of that. I'm giving it a 12. I'm putting it up there with Daredevil season one. I'm putting it up there with Mando's season two. I'm putting it up there with Loki season one.

I'm putting it up there with anything. It's a 12. Book it. Damn. You brought a lot of energy that. I respect that. In addition, where y'all going? You got to go.

What you mean? Charles is you? Oh, me? Yeah, I'm giving this. I'm giving this the Coke baby Chuck seal of approval. I'm going with a strong nine, a great season of television. I like this a lot. I think, I've said this all season, but I think the Boys is the rare superhero TV show

that honors the medium and works as a TV show. So, yeah, I can't speak highly of this season enough. I'm not going to give it at 12 because it 12 for me is like the Pantheon Pantheon, but like a strong, strong, strong nine. Yeah, I don't know if I'm there yet with Van, you know, talking about the show in like rare afraid air but i do gotta say it is it is special i'm gonna give it a 10 like it is a remarkable television show weekend and week out it does things that some shows are scared to do and some shows won't do and it all works it all fits and i i just have a blast

every single time i turn on amazon and i see new episodes of the boys loading. So for me, this is a 10 on the midnight meter. It rocks. It rocks hard. It's a nine for me. I might not be as down on it as it sounds because it's still a nine. It's still incredibly, incredibly good. It's incredibly rare that we see a TV adaptation of something that actually transcends the comics that it's based off of because the boys' comic, if we're being honest, is not that great by comparison. Not only that, but this is now appointment viewing. This This is a feather in prime's cap. This is kind of, it's a show of the moment that is perfectly illustrating and satirizing everything that it is to be in pop culture right now.

And of the occasional stumble that I might think that it has, God damn it, if it's not great. Let me tell you guys something real quick, just so you guys know. What did you give Moon Night, Steve? Do you remember? Don't quite recall. Look at it up. I bet it was, I bet it was an eight. I bet it was an eight.

I gave Moon Knight a seven. Okay, so you gave Moon Knight a seven. Jumby, what did you give Moon Night? An eight. I want to say that I gave Moon Knight at eight, yeah. Yeah, he gave him an eight. If the boys is just a little bit, a little bit. Did you know what I gave that shit?

What did you gave Moon Night? I'm almost positive I gave that shit at six. I'm almost like to. You gave it a six. If the boys is just a little bit better than Moon Night, be honest. the boys fucking blue moon night out of the water. But here's the thing we talked about this shit on the loving thunder pod. Like we got to go audit this shit.

We got to audit the midnight news. We have to audit this. And it's by the way, it's show by show. I just want to make sure that we talk about the integrity of the midnight meeting. I respect all of you guys. This is reasons. The boys is a 12. Right.

It's a foot long. It's a foot long. It's not a dark night. Like 12 is dark night. 12 is like infinity more. No, no, no. I'm not judging it against movies. I'm judging it against television shows.

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm not judging it against movies. I'm judging against television shows. But it's not Mando season two. It's like one to me. It's as good as Mando season two. It's one wrong. Come on.

It's as good as Mando season two. No. That's a lot. It's as good as Manzo season two. It's as good as the first season of Daredevil. It's as good as anything from superhero. I mean, it's better than the first season of Daredevil by far. First season of the Daredevil is fucking amazing.

Well, yeah, we know how you feel about about Daredevil, Charles. You get a Daredevil agenda off. Charles. Get a takeoff. You know what, Charles? Like, what's, like, tell us about your favorite superhero shows. Like, what are you going to Cloak and Dagger?

Coking, hell, now. Because you like to go against the grain. I don't like to go get. These are just my opinions. This is just how I feel. Like, what's in the run? So you're telling me right now, the first season of Daredevil is mid. I didn't say it was mid.

I enjoyed the first season. I just don't, I think that first season has a lot of fat on it. Like, it's not a tight season. I think people remember it as like, man, every episode was good.

I was like, no, there's something in the middle that I was just like, man, y'all padding out. Give me a show that doesn't have any fat in it.

Uh, Mando season two. Go back and watch it. It definitely has fat. You know, like, it definitely has fat. Like,

like, the show is, I mean, I'm not saying it's perfect, but you're, ask, but if you're asking me, like, if you're asking me of superhero content, Mando season two is probably the only one that, like, I would put up against other shows. Like, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, guys.

H is the Shield season four. Hell God. It's time to go. Oh, wait, actually, actually, actually, I'm putting Mando season two and I'm putting Avatar. That's Arabender? Okay. Yeah. We could put, I'm putting both of those up in.

The anime. I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. You're not there yet? What season you want? I'm loving. I'm on season two. I'm loving it.

Yeah, but you're not, you're not a zealot right now. All right. You guys, look, that's a wrap. By the way, I haven't started season two.

I'm at the end of season one. That's a wrap. Monday, I'm mad that you guys. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm salty it y'all. Fuck y'all. There's a divide

and it's getting more pronounced. And nobody even gave the shit of 10. You know what I mean? I did. Yeah, but even that 10, Jomey, it was like a, I don't know, Jomey. Oh, my goodness.

I'm mad. What do you want for me? What do you want from me? I want you to be as excited about this show as you are about A's the Shield. That's what I want. I love the boys. Okay, that's a wrap. Monday, the House of R will be giving you their deep dive into Thor,

love, and thunder, T, L, and T. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys give you their reactions to the season finale of Miss Marvel. Looking forward to that. We got a lot of stuff to cover. We are in the summer. summer slog of content, but we are loving it here at the Midnight Boys. I'm so happy to work with my coworkers and to be giving all of this stuff to you guys. Producer credits.

Our producer is Steve Almond Joy, Jomey, the explainer, the prognosticator on social medias. Hashtag, let's do it, ride it, my show me. Okay, no, no, no. Explain this. Steve, coming to the church. What does that mean? It's genuine.

It's genuine. Hashtag, let's do it, ride it. by Jomey. Let's do it Riding my ponies. Oh. I don't know. See, again, I'm got to get my lawyers out here, like we can't have this. This is defamation

of character. I need to get professionals out here. Let's do it right at my jemmy. You guys, please use the hashtag, let's do it, ride at my jemmy. Let's not. Maybe don't. Maybe you just don't do that. Please, on social media.

Additional production from our Juna Ramgapal. Charles, take us out. All right, yeah, I don't have a rhyme. This episode, actually what I want to say is really quick. We are kind of out of the gauntlet. We did Obi-Wan.

We're about to finish Miss Marvel. We're about to finish the boys. So I'm just really proud of this team. I want to send a big shout out to Arjuna. Y'all don't know how much, like, he pulls us together. You know, all the producers, like, stepping in, like, Steve and Kerm and everyone. and just like we were dropping, we were getting sick. So like the fact that like Joanna was on fire,

Mao was killing it, like van, you're out here, like jet setting and still spending this time and like mid-edition, like just stepping up, making a beautiful show and still just rocking. Like, I'm so proud of this team. So like everybody like really like, you guys are the best. So thank you guys. This is amazing.

That is one of the best outchos we've ever had. We love each other. It's amazing. Appreciate it. Yeah. So on three, the biggest Pupu you've ever given. Three, two, one. Boo.

It's like the Cap and Iron Man thing. Yeah, exactly. That was stupid, though. That was dumb. What you mean? That was completely stupid. Explain yourself. First of all, the reason why that made sense

is because what we're seeing is a hyper-powered version of Captain America in the MCU. All right. The suit would analyze the attack patterns of Captain America just like it did in the comic book and fucking wash him.

It's not even a fight. It's not even a fight. The suit itself would look at Captain America and move Tony out of the way before it's not Cap versus Iron Man. Iron Man in the suit.

is no contest. Not letting you get this. It's true. By the way, in civil war, he ragdolled him. Child of Crisis for that new term. He ragged him

when they went hand to hand. It wasn't even close. In the film, Tony's like, analyzes fight patterns, right? Because he's getting washed, right?

To Van's point, Tony's getting washed hand to hand. Once he says to Friday, analyze his fight. patterns does that it's a pack he starts packing up

y'all don't believe in my man cap enough I do know I'm surprised that not that many people are going about I don't right now well you know I got an agenda I got agenda I got agenda of course you do so very much anti-cap in this household but

when Tony was like analyze the fact patterns it was it was a pack he was putting up putting up numbers on caps don't bro fly away shoot a missile dog fly away. Don't even, don't even don't even try to, don't even

when he says he's eyeballed, just shoot the missile in the general vicinity. Now y'all gonna tell me, Iron Man, now you're gonna tell me Iron Man to be Batman. Let's move on. Nah, prep time. Not doing this. It's really the money for this.

Prep time. Bro, Cap ain't no, bro. Let's be honest, bro. Cap ain't smart like that, doc. Cap. What he's a like he is the best strategist on the face of the plane

like military mind. He's the best military mind. I'm talking about raw intelligence. All right. He's not as smart as Batman. You guys, we're talking about,

all right, I'll put it to you this way. If you're in the field, who would you want to be the general? Yeah. It's, it's,

it's cap for sure, but what's the one I'm talking about. What we're talking about like, prepping it up and all, of that stuff and coming in nine. Preping it up. Because you're going to have to,

you're going to have to make cap the Luminati. Your superhero need a dossier to be a man. It's fine. It's fine. He needs to do research. He need to be in the lab.

All right. That's fine. He's going to. Hey, man. He got to take notes. That's nuts. Yeah, he does have to take notes. He needs to have to fight beforehand.

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