The Ringer-Verse - ‘The Boys’ Season 4, Episode 5 and ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 5 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 27, 2024

The Midnight Boys kick things off with a discussion on the latest episode of ‘The Boys,’ focusing on Hughie and his father and much more (08:15). Then the guys dive into the latest episode of ‘The Acolyte’ and react to the reveal of the masked villain (52:40). Later, listen to Nerd News Minute as the Boys react to the latest pictures of James Gunn’s Superman suit (01:21:48). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jonathan Kermah Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He's got answers. Non-spades playing motherfucker. Nobody talking about a playspice. I don't know what you tell you. It's crazy. We are, Steve, the architect, Almond, the builder and tinker of things. Mr. Kank, Kank, Kank, on lockdown. We are.

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What? What? On pico yesterday. And it was one of the most harrowing experiences. Jesus Christ. Was Mr. or the Tesla. The Honda.

The whole car shut off. Oh, no. And the police had to help me. Oh, God. And everybody I was in the middle of Pico in front of fucking the fox, battling with the whole, the fucking car's dead. What you want me to do? Ruin my whole day.

Oh, God, damn. We also on the boards, the ones and twos, we have Alea and Paris and Arjuna, the Watcher. Ramgapal, that's your name. And, of course, himself. His Hershey Bar Highness. Oh, there you go. I like that. I like that one.

That is good. His Hershey Highness. Jonathan Kerma, we are known as the Midnight Boys. I want to say something real quick. As we give props to everybody helping us make this, we are the Midnight Boys, but there's a greater collective, and that's called the Midnight Collective. Okay, we're the Midnight Boys. This is the Midnight Collective, the people who are making. this video happened here at Spotify, all right?

Don't look like that, Charles. It's okay to bring other people in. What did I? What did I do? I actually came in here, wanting to apologize to you. Why? I have to be real, like, for years at this point.

We have been making fun a van, old man van. And you've been telling us, guys, age is going to catch up to you. Be careful. Be careful. Your knee cracked. bro, I'm 31 years old and I hopped my first fence in years. Oh, no.

Oh, here's the thing. It wasn't the hop in. I was just like, that's not that far. When you came down when you landed? I was wearing Chuck Taylor's and I had to jump on concrete. No, I should have done that. Bro, my knees dissenting. I was like, what the fuck, bro?

I woke up today. It's so funny. It is, it is just life is funny that way. Things just hit you hard. We used to play. We used to play pickup basketball, like, all day long. And then between games, just be dunking. Like, just be dunking.

And I remember the older cats used to be there, be like, what are you little niggas? Oh! Like, we'll be like, hey, bro, look, I got a two hands. Bang, bang, just be dunking. And then one day, you get up and it's like, oh. You land and you're like, oh, what the hell? I don't got the cushion. I just realized I'm like, oh, that cushioning is gone, bro.

That car is just running, bro. So I want to apologize to Van because, yeah, man, being washed really seeks to support. Well, here's the good news. It only gets worse. Way worse. All right. Follows on socials, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. For now, save you only job job.

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There's no way in how I'm watching the videos. I'm fine with hearing myself. It's more just I do be watching myself. I do see the video sometime. I'm like, damn. The ladies of L.A. is so lucky, bro. Oh my God. Because of you?

Hell yeah. Hollywood Holmes. What'd you just call them, though? The ladies of all? Oh, that's what the fuck got off. Gross. Wow, gross. That's rough.

That's what I'm talking about. You should see what I'm saying. And they are, by the way. They're very lucky to have three guys like yourselves who are out there ready to put the dick. Whoa. Don't do that to Steve. Well, I mean, yeah. Steve is, Steve is in a relationship.

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Shout out. Talked Throne, CR, Joe, now. Ringervverse, we're going up. I'm getting competitive. Who are we inviting out? We need to invite some guests up. All kinds of people. We can get wherever we want to come out there.

See, well, I mean, who you guys want? like, what are we going to do? Who we want? Ryan Reynolds? He's not coming. He's not anybody. He's not going to be there. That's the week before Deadpool and Wolverine.

Name somebody else? Mother's milk. Never. Not going to do it. How about someone else? Name someone. Anthony Mackey. Nah.

No. Oh. I thought we, I thought we ruined that. Those are two guys who, by the way. Actually, to be honest with you, Those two guys that might come if I ask them. Yeah, but Anthony Mackey, you'd have to do some work right there. Just so you guys know, it was obviously Anthony Mackey.

Forever in my guys! Every Tuesday and Thursday, House of R will deep dive into the House of the Dragon and the Acolyte. And I am listening to the House of R right now like this required reading. Not so much for the Acolyte, but for a game with... I can't get enough Game of Thrones. I can't get enough House of Dragon right now. House of R is doing a great job. every Monday and Thursday

the Midnight Boys will give you their reactions to Hot D and Thursday we're going to do the boys in the accolade which is for today. Every Sunday, Talk to Thrones will be up right after the latest episode of Hot D-D ends. They give you interesting reactions

and you come back and get the deep dive you're double-dipping right there. It's great stuff. On Friday, Ringver's Recommends Returns with our Rex for the month of June. I got to say something right now. Shout out to Ring Universe recommends

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has been Falkin Limburg drunk with power. Calls you up, he's like, yo! I'm like, hello? Who the fuck is this? So it's been fucking Limber. Who fuck you think it is? What you recommend in this month? I don't think I want to do it this month.

Don't think you want to do it. You don't think you want to do it. fucking do it? Let me tell you what you're going to do. Why am I going to do, Ben? You're going to fucking do it. Now pick a delightful fucking show and get on board. And I just picked something.

He called me up and he was like, do you and Steve have a problem? Are you guys trying to recommend this show? Right. I was like, Ben, we just had a conversation about it. He's like, yo, get it the fuck together. Or I'm going to charge you juice every fucking week, 5% on top of the Vig for Ben fucking Limburg. All right, that's enough.

You guys, I didn't get any sleep last night. I'm sorry. This is going to be an unhinged podcast. I love it. Yeah, you like it. All right, today's show, we're going to give you reactions to episode four of the boys and the acolyte.

Spoiler warning for all this stuff. We're getting ready to talk about the boys. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, Charles, you know, do the manifest thing. Tell the people what they need to know. All right. This is your manifest.

As for the boys, beware the Jabberwock, my son, directed by Shana. Stella, written by Judalina Nera. The seven are spiraling out at the V-52 Expo. Homelander is having flashbacks to all the scientists he killed. Sister Sage is onto A-Train as the mole. The Deep is beefing with the PR guy, and Ryan is becoming more of Homelander's son. Butcher and Mother's Milk go to prison and hand Stan Edgar, a presidential pardon if he can help them find the soup-killing virus that Victoria is hiding.

Stan leads the boys to an upstate home where they find a ransack lab and eventually Victoria. The group works together to solve the mystery of where the scientist and Victoria's husband went. Eventually, the crew runs into Compound V power farm animals and team up to take them down. Purcher stages of Victoria's husband's killing so he can make more of the virus. Huey's dad wakes up with phasing powers thanks to Compound V, but his broken memory sends him on a killing rampage. At his father's behest, Huey ends up putting him down rather than see him suffer as a soup. That's your Midnight Manifest for the boys.

Chuck, what you got? I think, I think this season might be spinning its wheels a little bit. Wow. I would say the episode, outside of the Huey stuff, I think the episode did. It was, what? I agree. I like this man talk. Why are you starting problems, bro?

Like, why are you starting problems today? It's not just like Charles, whatever. Like, the man had one sentence out. You jump in like a goddamn char. That's what we do. That's the entire fucking show. We're laying down a new era today. No cross time.

I'm just joking. Locking down until I've spoken to. Oh, no, I mean, I think now that we know that Eric Kripke has said that this is the penultimate season, there's only one more left. I am starting to get a feeling, like, especially with this, I'm like, oh, like, farm animals that have compound V is, like, funny. And it's like a cool visual. But nothing really happened in this episode that I felt like pushed the plot forward. and there were some moments in it where I was like, this almost is starting to kind of feel like a parody of itself.

Because when like Victoria's like, hey, guys, guess what? Butcher, he stabbed John in the back again. They're all like, butcher, how could you? And I'm like, motherfucker. That old butcher. I was like, guys, I think this is the second time he stabbed him all in the back just this season. This happens almost every other episode. What's going on?

So I don't think that it was, I don't think the boys is ever like out and out bad, but there were moments where I was like, oh, you guys, there's not as much juice in the tank as I thought there was. Yeah, look, I enjoyed the episode. I really did. But I'll say this, though. I understand what you're saying. I'll say what both you guys are saying. And I'll say this. Because normally what you have is these outrageous things that happen in the boys.

But, like, it's propped up by real intrigue. Like, oh, my God, what's going to happen next? How are they going to find themselves out of this? Or, if not, intrigue, a sense of impending doom and danger. Yeah. Like, they're up against something. Homelander's breathing down their neck. Their lives are on the line.

This episode felt like a lot of those same stunts, but without real stakes underneath them. It kind of felt like a boy's adventure. Like a side of shit. We've had those episodes before in the seasons, but I do think that, like, at least the first three seasons especially, there was a momentum to the show

where it did feel like, oh, motherfuckers can die at any point. No one is safe. And I'm getting that feeling, at least through the first, like, five, we're on episode five. Then I'm just like, Huey's safe. Like last episode,

like, Homelander had him in his sights and just flew off. Well, I mean, I think that's something that the show is contending with. You're not going to lose any of those guys, right, the show is contending with how to like maintain the stakes in the world. I'll say that

the overall point of this season, the thing, it's just not as pointed as it's been in the past. Yeah. It's not as clear what this season is about as some seasons

in the past have been. Yeah, I'm, I feel like, I get this underlying suspicion that I feel like the show's prepping us for at least one, if not two major deaths by the end of this season. Yeah. Because there's kind of had that, again, you said this underlying of like, nobody's safe this season. Like, we felt relatively safe, at least for our, like, you know, main heroes.

But I don't know, the idea that French's plot is, like, kind of winding down. He has, he's like, he's looking for absolution. He's, like, talking to God a bit more and, like, talking about, like, the ideas of forgiveness. He got to thug it out. And isn't really, like, he's like. It's not the time to catch a conscience. Lock in. Locking.

Like, French needs to lock it. And then Mother's. Milk is just like, he's like, I gotta be better for my daughter, and I've got to make sure that, like, I got to get her back, and then I'm like, this is the type of stuff that when the show actually wants to, like, either stop spinning its wheels or

ratchet up the stakes, somebody's probably going to bite it. See, the problem is that nobody cares about that stuff. I think that's what it is. I think the show isn't spinning its wheels, per se. It's just that the stuff that we're getting is not all that interesting, so we're looking for the other stuff and it's not really there.

You know what I mean? I do think I like this episode, I think. I liked it too. But, you know, the scene at the end with Homelander where he's like, guys, all the celebrity stuff, rah-rah, ass, I can't that out. You know, we're going to start locking it. We're going to start taking over places.

It might be ugly, but you can kill this guy right here who locked in. I think that's interesting going forward, right? What does that mean for the seven? What does that mean for VAT when these guys are no longer paraded as heroes and celebrated, but they're actual villains, right? I think that going forward could be interesting if we see more of that. The butcher, the scene at the end with Butcher, right?

By the way, Jeffrey D. Morgan is not real. There's no way in hell that guy is actually there. Oh, you think he's in butcher's head? Absolutely. I mean, it's the classic. No one else has had a conversation with him. Yeah, the entire season. Well, remember that scene, he's like,

we're going to do something to you. And the guy looks, goes like, it looks, at least to me, face went, he's the only one looking. Yeah. We. It's just you and he looks like, he goes, classic butcher. I'm like, I don't know.

It feels off. It feels weird. I've been going, like, being like, oh, is this their play on like a venom thing where it's just like, is that basically whatever is like the little worm thing, black thing? Is that just the manifestation? Well, you have remembered. He also sees his wife. Yeah. Right?

So maybe it's part of his powers. It's just like, now he sees. dead people we lost in the past. He just hallucinates? Just hallucinates. Kind of like cloths in the umbrella academy. You just like talk to the dead. But if there's a manifestation of why Butcher acts unilaterally as much as he does and why it seems that sometimes he is activating people rather than teaming up with them,

I think that's an interesting narrative device or narrative tools to use. And I think that's very, I think a lot of the stuff that they're doing in the season is sort of interesting, but I don't know if there, if the tension is there like it's been in the past seasons. I mean, you know, like, Butcher and Homelander were in a room earlier and you didn't have that feeling that Homelander might kill him. It doesn't, like, Victoria Newman comes around all the time. They want her dead, but when they're in her presence, they don't try to kill her. Oh, so she don't pop their heads, which is so funny. She doesn't, she doesn't, she doesn't, pop their heads, they're not doing it.

It seems like everybody's at a standstill. Everyone's fighting, but they're sharing dialogue and they're sharing. And sometimes it's the razor thin of stalemates that they're in in order to just move that plot along. Well, I mean, it's mutually a church destruction, right? Like, you do this and I do that. It's a lot of people who have a lot of, again, very interconnected, right? They got a lot of beef. Everybody knows way too much about each other.

Right. So you stepped the wrong way. Boom, I got you. I stepped the wrong way. Boom, you got me. Can I say something not? It's kind of tough, but... Sorry, I did the same thing Steve did to Charles earlier on in the show.

But you know what, though? You can't make a movie about mutually assured destruction. You never make movies about that. You make movies about nearly getting to nuclear war. Right? So war games isn't about the state of mutually assured destruction. Mutually assured destruction is Tuesday. It's perpetual.

It always exists. Right? So you wake up Monday. The reason why they didn't fire on each other is because of mutually. assure destruction. It's always there. You make a movie or a show or a piece of drama about the time that

it almost happens. Like my God, like War Games is about, oh my God, they're going to fire on each other. The Humphor Red October is about, oh my God, they're going to fire each other. Crimson Tide is about, oh, my God, they're going to fire each other. It's about the time to where it's about to go down. And these two powers

that can destroy each other are about to and why they don't. That tension is lacking from this season, even though we understand that there's mutually assured destruction all around. It doesn't seem like they're at the brink or at the edge of it. It's, and it's missing a little bit something because of that. But this is the middle of the season that got three episodes left or four episodes.

Also, do we think that it's like last season, I think one of my favorite scenes of the boys' period is when Butcher and Homelander were in, I think it was Homelander was at Butcher's house. and they basically have that long conversation where they basically say it's the classic Batman Joker thing where we need each other but it was a reckoning of like

this is gonna end at some point and I'm just like if you have two more seasons after that scene it starts to be like I get that you guys need each other but at a certain point someone's going to have to pull the trigger and I'm just like I just kind of not like it's just not happening I'm just like these two are the show now

So even when they make Jones, like, I almost had a chance to kill Homelander and I didn't. I'm like, you guys have had thousands of chances to kill Homelander and you never do it because he has to come back. And I think it's a similar thing to like even V-52, the whole Expo thing. I'm like, you guys making fun of like Disney, like D-23, Marvel, the MCU, the big slate would have been way funier in season one, season two. but I'm like, y'all got spinoffs now. You are one of the most successful shows on Amazon. Yeah. So it's like...

You're kind of becoming the thing that you're doing. Yeah, so I'm just like, the punches, even this season, don't land as much because I'm like, the boys went from being like the outlier, the thing we watched to be like, oh, shit, they're making fun of the biggest thing in the room to now I'm like, the boys is... You're kind of out there. You're the biggest thing in the room. You know what this is? I used to call this limp biscuit disease.

Please describe limp biscuit disease. It's a limb biscuit disease. So there was a time when Lent Biscuit was like torn around. Oh, yeah? And they were like this cool band that had made. And people don't remember this. I don't. Like, because you're too young.

Okay, we get it, Jomey. You're fucking aren't you? Your knees are going to turn to dust just as much as up. Yeah, which is sucking on some similar right there. Yeah. By the way, how old. What are you 28 this year? Yes.

You're old. You're done. I didn't say it was good. But look. So it was the time of Lent Biscuitt was like, oh, my God. is this is a like a pop punk band, whatever, people like, or pop rap band, whatever the fuck it is. I thought it was new metal.

Rap rock, whatever it is, right? And they're covering George Michael's faith. They're saying, yeah, you hear about this band or whatever, whatever. And then they go mainstream. And when they go mainstream and these records come out and they pop, their fans eventually get sick of them. Now the people that are Let Biscuit fans are actually people that heard about Let Biscuit from TRL.

Yeah. I'm told the request live. The people that were going to shows when they're now, they don't like seeing Method Man on a song with them. They like, they don't like that. They thought they were our band. They were like, Wes from Lippiscuit actually said this. He goes, like, I don't like the fact that the people who use to like us don't like us anymore.

And that happens to everything. It happens to everything when what you're doing and what you're connected to. Like, I felt like this about Star Wars. I felt like this about, I did. Star Wars. When did you feel like it? thing in the world forever. What are we talking about?

Okay, but see, here's the deal. It was the biggest thing. But for a long time, we were still kind of a subculture. We were still people... Because you had to wait 30 years for something. We had to dig around in books, comics.

It wasn't that accessible. You had to go do it. And then now it's just different. I know it's always been the biggest thing, but it's different. Now there's a Star Wars theme part. And there's Star Wars television shows. And there's, there's, there's toys that you can buy in Walmart, not at the convention.

It just, it feels, it's always been big, but it feels different. Let's, let's have a healing moment. Let's happen. Yes. All right. You are very successful, Van. You have a beautiful woman, a beautiful dog, a beautiful family. We got to let go of the little nerd inside.

Never. You got to, you still are holding on to that hurt of like, I remember when. It's, it's okay. I was a nerd, too. I still am. It's fine. Yeah, yeah. See, this is the kind of people that tell you just like, let go of Jim Crow.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, please, get us over that bridge, baby. Lock us in, lock us in, lock us in, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the You saw that in Selma. You saw that in Selma. You saw that in Selma. You saw that in Selma. You saw it in Selma. We got to play the drums.

Montgomery was you play the drums. You got to play the drums. You saw that in Selma. He's like, I bet it for it. You know what? Because here's the thing. I don't want to forget. I don't want to forget.

I don't want to forget because it's a part of me. I'm saying just forgive. Don't forget. Forgive. No, I'm not forgiving shit. Okay? I'm not forgiving anything. Because it's part of me to remember.

It helps me to, number one, appreciate the content that we're getting right now. Right. And number two, it also helps me to understand that there's a deeper connection. I'm not like you, Charles. I'm not one of these pull my nerve fed boots up by the bootstraps and get over the whole situation. I'm not, I don't want to, I want to have Juneteenth. I want to recognize and remember all of this stuff. All I will say is that if you don't.

forgive. That's how we have all that insult shit. All that, all that negativity. All that this used to be ours. I can't. There's a black woman who has the force. Get the fuck out of here. No. Like that's that insult shit. You got to let that go. Okay, that's a good point, but I'll say that that's different, though. How's that dangerous? Because I was having sex.

Right. Yes. That's smart. That's true. I will say. It was different, though, because, like, I'll read legends between rounds, you know. So it wasn't, I wasn't one. I mean, I'm sorry.

But I'll read. Are you Christian bail an American Psycho? It'll be like, reading a throng novel. It'll be like over now. I'll pop out the mean air to the empire. Like, as you should be put her, her chin right on my, what's you reading?

What is that? Oh my, this is about loose guy walking. You know what I'm saying? You know, shout out losing your virginity. There is a moment. I was like, damn, these comic books are great. He's like, we gotta let some shit go out. But I'm like, having sex is dope.

I'm like, we're going to read this. No, because I'll be honest with you. So I was a little anxious. Every summer I would have, I would go into, you guys know I have anxiety issues, right? Every summer I would go into this weird trance to where it was just, I had too much time on my hands to think about things.

So every summer since I was like 12, I would spend like at least six weeks thinking about the end of the world. Like paying attention to North Korea in the whole nine and like just getting freaked out in the whole nine I'm serious

since you were 12 like every summer every summer it would just be weird I would be sitting down like after baseball or whatever and I would just be thinking

about stuff reading this encyclopedia just going crazy and then something happened I literally remember the day I saw a bra strap and I was like they're actually

breasts under there and then for years after that the pursuit of girls destroy my anxiety you saw a titty in the wild you were just like you know what the world ain't ending tomorrow everything's gonna be okay

I'm gonna be okay life's worth living I did not care about it indeed I was like as long as I can achieve certain things before it in right no this is real shit and then things will be cool and so we gotta get back to the show But as long as I achieve certain things before it ends.

And then that lasted for about six years. It's what I got to be like 20, 21, and then all of the anxiety came back. Oh, no. Because I was like, you know, I've been doing my thing and nothing really changed. There's still a lot of problems out here. And then you have to actually, maybe I should go deal with myself. That's actually the story of the boys. Because like Huey, Hughie got with Starlight, everything's cool.

He takes his eye off the ball. He's not locked in. There's more of life. Speaking of Huey, let's talk about this Huey episode. Painful. I'll tell you guys something. You know, the boys has always gone right up to the limit of, I don't want to be looking at this and stopped.

Maybe it's just me. I found this episode with Huey and his father insanely hard to watch. I had to do that. Like when he checks his dad and he saying goodbye, I literally was like I couldn't, I was like, this is uncomfortable. Not in a bad way. That's what that scene is supposed to do. But to your point, I was like,

I was like, all right. So, but here's the thing. This is the reason why it was hard to watch. Obviously, you guys know, just full disclosure, it's, you know, time between Father's Day and between the Fourth of July is like super hard time for my family and all of that stuff.

But it's not that. I know people are going to think that. It's not that. So they give Huey's dad to compound V. In this story arc, Huey's father is never going to live, right? Yes. He's not going to live.

I don't think he was going to die that fast. I know. But we get to the end point. Once you know he starts merging into people or whatever he was doing, he's probably not going to live. He killed so many people needlessly. Yes. for him to essentially have the same fate

that he would have had if Huey wouldn't have shot him up with the compound V. I mean the wife shot him up. The wife shot him up, excuse me. The wife shot him, the mother shot him up with the compound V. It's just very difficult for me to watch. And I know they treat the human beings in the show like props. I get it.

But it was very difficult for me to watch like all of those people die, like horrible deaths, just for them to have this family. ending at the end where Huey takes his father's life. It was just, for the first time, and this has never happened before with the show. I mean, people get splattered. This stuff happens. But it kind of took me out of it.

I was just like, Jesus Christ. And it was too much. It was like not. It was like legit horrifying, like scary. The guy doesn't know what's happening to him. He's ending up in people. He's ripping people's hearts out. All these people are in the hospital.

There's one guy's talking to someone. He was dad. For all that to happen, just for the, them to have this sort of pseudo-sintiminal send away from him. It's like it was too much. I felt I don't know. For the first time I felt

like this isn't. It was gratuitous. Yeah. And I can understand that. I think the extended metaphor of like Huey finally learning to let his dad go already happened in the episode prior where he's like, well I'm not going to shoot him up with V. Like I'm going to actually accept what's coming to him so that we can all

move on from this. And there isn't actually really like a cathars with the mom who did this to him. Because she's up to something. Because she's up to something. And clearly, Huey is, like, swept up in the emotion of the fact that, like, he wants his dad back, he's not ready to say goodbye now that he's

like kind of up and at him, but ripping people apart and killing people needlessly. So he's like, okay, this has to end, this has to stop. It was incredibly sad, but I'm very curious as to how this is going to inform him. But my thing is, by the end, it wasn't sad. I mean,

I don't know. It was pretty sad to me. At the end, I was like, put this motherfucker to death. God. I'm serious. I'm serious, bro. It was watching Huey go through it at the end was sad. But at the end, I'm like, yo, man, this motherfucker got to be stopped. He got to die.

Can I ask you this? Does it fundamentally break the show a little bit where, and maybe this is where they're going with you as a character, where Huey was always our entry point into this world? because when A-Train kills Robin, you realize in that first episode, this is a world where not only do the heroes not care, but to your point, the humans are just props. And I'm just like, Huey's dad basically does to all of these people

what A-Train did to Robin. And at no point do we really see, like, Hugh, like, Hwee care that much? And I'm just like... It doesn't give a fuck about all of these people that got, that just died. I mean, episode two, he blew up translucent. You know what I mean?

Like, it's kind of this. Things were... No, no, no. I'm saying that wasn't his dad. I know, but I'm saying by now, right? Ah, shit, niggas die.

But he's supposed to care about humans. Like, that's his driving thing. And I think, and maybe this is me, like, looking forward, it's back in a little bit. Remember, his mom gives him the ring, right? And she's like,

you go to propose an and he's like, no, no. You know, it's like, check-offs ring. That's coming back. And I think maybe this is Yuwi's way going like, hey, man, I'm done.

Like, I can't. Like, this... entire life, I might have to walk away. Right. Because he forgave A-Train. Like, he's letting go of the- He's letting go of his dad. Yeah.

Right. Like, at this point, why am I here? Yo, Annie, let's get married and get out of here. He's dead. He's like, if he's like, bye, Homelander's killing that mother. I mean, he still has the information.

Like, he still has, like, the files. Like, those are his file. I guess those are Newman's files. But at the same time, like, I guess. He'll give that up, I guess. You know what I mean? But I think this is also in the stage for you to go, like, you know what guys?

Y'all got it, man. Like, I can't, my dad, this whole tired thing. Like, I'm, I'm walking on. All the things that could have stopped him on this journey that he's had with them. Like, this finally being the thing. I don't know. I mean, it feels a little inert. I don't know.

Again, I liked that ending because normally when they do the whole, like, somebody's dying and go, hey, man, we're going to go on that vacation. Yeah, we're going to, you know, yeah. Do the Da Vinci Code tour. We're going to do that. That moment got, I was like, yeah, no, it was very sad. I'll be honest. I didn't really give a fuck about Huey's dad

because like that motherfucker is barely in the show. So I'm like, it is sad, but I'm just like... It was... I thought the last episode when Hugh had to confront it after Kimiko says you should probably just let him die. I thought that was movie.

I think this one, it was just... The boys is gore. You guys, I'm here for it. I can stomach it. But like, this, the terrifying, flying sheep that was funny to me

that was funny that entire thing was hilarious it was but they were I was scared of them no the chickens were the chickens were so cow if they always played Zelda they were shooting out the chickens

and they go pink pink when Frenchie when the sheep they finally get away from the sheep French is like gotta do they can't believe this happened again Kimiko's like again

no the best line of the whole episode is that man is in no condition to fuck a sheep um let's talk about the the Homelander Ryan situation here. I'm done.

You're done with Homelander Ryan. Put that little kid out of here, bro. You're not fucking Ryan. Hell no. Because here's a thing. The show needs to decide what they want to do at Ryan because he's just like, I love butcher and I love being a human.

And then he sees what's the character's name that is harassing the director guy. The director guy. I'm like, you're telling me that Ryan's, like evil Superman moment. It's like, slap him. Slap him harder. I'm just like, I'm glad you're doing this. This is great,

Ryan. Like, kudos to you. This is the breaking bad moment. Like, it was just like, I don't know. I don't know. This is step one to Homeland or getting the son he wants. Yeah. Right? That's the whole thing. He was like, he goes back to his place and he realized,

oh, I definitely wasn't raised. I wasn't raised right. I want to get my son to be Like me, I got a thing outside the box a little bit. No more controlling. Let's try plan B. Plan B is like, hey, you know, do what do you think you should do? Okay, cool.

Encouraging him. But in like Homelander's way, be like, oh, you want to help? Like, you know, ask him what do you take his wallet. You know, get his keys. A little bit of a little bit of power. Brian has enough morality to realize that him killing a stunt man was wrong. And then in this episode, he's just like, you know what? I should start listening to Homewainter again.

But I think this is the thing that was interesting about this to me. Homelander is misjudging Ryan. So think about this. So the freedom in this entire situation between Homelander and Ryan is that Homelander is saying, Ryan, you don't have to do any of the stuff that we do. I lived my entire life for other people and in living my entire life from other people all it made me was like hollow

and I can't be fulfilled and I'm always looking for other people's approval so he tells Ryan you don't have to do that right he tells Ryan you do not have to do that like you don't have to do the movie you don't have to do any of this stuff which he says it's freeing Ryan

He's freeing Ryan from having to be moved. Emancipating him from slavery. That shit was great. That was, wow. I was like, but it was worse. Here's a deal, though. Ryan still decides in a grotesque way

to set a wrong right. Yeah. Like, he's still, what Homelander is misjudging is like, Ryan didn't automatically do something for himself. He ought, the first thing that it was, his knee jerk was to do was to make a weaker person strong.

Yes. Like it was in him for some reason, be it his mom or be it butcher or be whatever, to take a regular person that's being fucked over by somebody who's powerful and make them strong. Homelander's actually, and he's actually misjudging Ryan. He's thinking that what Ryan's going to do

is do what Homelander would do. First thing, Homlander gets fucking emancipated or whatever, and the first thing he does is put somebody through pain. Now, Ryan did that too, but he did it on behalf of somebody who's weaker. There's something heroic inside of him that has to be funneled and channeled in the right way. Homlander is thinking, hey, you want this guy's keys, you want this guy's card? That's not what he wanted. What he wanted was to help the girl that was being sexually harassed by her boss.

Yeah. So the question for me, moving forward is, Is Homelander going to be able to stop Ryan from being a hero? And is Butcher going to be able to stop Ryan from being brutal? And so that's the kind of thing that that was interesting to me like when I saw that. Now, the way they went about it obviously was fucked up. Right. That's the Homelander way.

That's the Homelander way. The way that went about it was fucked up. But his thing... I don't know. I was like, hey, man, get some extra slaps. I was like, crap. Look, I'm with it. Yeah.

But that's also subjugating her to that as well. Yeah, I'm with. I mean, she was like, she was like, she slapped him. But at the same time, though, when it was, when she got the go,

that's what I'm talking about. She wound up. She was into it. She was sick of this motherfucker. I mean, he does, he do got like, in the show,

he do got that slimy, sleazy thing down where I'm just like, amen. I see it. I just, here the thing. Even, like,

I hate, pluck now. Ever since you've been on this plug shit, wow. Ryan's so plucky. I'm like, get this plucky motherfucker out of here. Plucky ruins everything. Damn. Jesus crazy. I'll tell you right now, skeleton key is on

notice. Skeleton key. Yeah. Starry. Skeleton key is on notice. I think it could be a pluck factory. It's absolutely going to be a pluck factory. I think we have some of the most disgusting displace of pluck I've ever seen

before. That's why I stopped stranger things because it was too plucky for me. That kids was having too much fun on summer vacation. There'll be 40 next season. My thing about Stranger Things is this, and I fuck with Stranger Things, but if they got demons in my town, I'm not going to the mall shoppy to have a fucking mall. You're not going to ride your bike over to the ice cream shop. No.

Mom, let's get out of here. It's time to move. You know what I'm saying? For jobs in other cities, my boy. You know what I'm saying? Hey, let's, there's a place where people go and I don't want to, I'm not one of these people. like let's say I lived in dairy

right and I'm having dreams of a clown Not dairy Ireland Dairy was in Pennsylvania It's Maine Where is that I will never watch It's not Dary Illinois

It doesn't even say It's Maine it's Maine it's Maine right I've never watched it I wouldn't know Are you know those Are you don't like demonic shit like that Like it is it's like Let's say I'm gonna go to my mom I'll be like hey I'm gonna let you out

Let you out know something right now My friends want to form a pact and they want to fight a centuries old demon and they want to beat him. Mom and dad, I don't want to do that.

Right. I think that we should move to Sandusky, Ohio. See, but like if you're in Stranger Things, is your mom Winona Ryder and is seeing like, you know, the writing on the walls and like making like little light shows with stuff? Well, let's say that that's happening.

Sure, that's happening. Sure, that's happening. Then we have a whole different Stranger Things show. Sure. The show of somebody who's run away from home to build a new life in the house. Oh, right. Okay. Wait, do you, is that why there's never, like, there's only, like, one black person in amblin movies?

Because it's always like, I'm like, a black person is not sticking around for this shit. You know what I'm saying? I always feel bad for those kids. Like, the one black kid that's with the rest of these crazy white kids. It's a demon in their town. These are what my wife friends get up to. It's a demon in the town and the white kids be like, let's come together and fight the demon. Whoa, these guys killed 36 people.

I'm like, no. I'm not fighting the demon. Here's the thing. Even, it doesn't even got to be a demon. When I'm watching E.T. They're all like, let's get on our bikes and outrun the cops. I'm like, Nicky-N-N-N-me-law. Let me tell you something right now.

Let me tell you something right now. First of all, if they would have been trying to outrun the cops with E.T, they'd all been dead. If there was black kids, the cops would have been like, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, everybody did. Let me tell you something right now. Wait, they wouldn't have even got off the block. Nah, they would have got off the block. Hey!

Hey! That's correct. Where are you going on that bicycle? Huh? What's under that towel? God damn it. Come over here. Come over here now!

Stop resisting! Stop resisting! E.T. would have been dead. He just had to say. He's like, yo, like, why they, why they treat us? Like, why are they treating us? Like, why? I was eating Reese's pieces. Why didn't you imagine?

They like, he got a gun in his hand. It's just the Reese's pieces. It dropped it. Boom, boom, boom. And the cops walks over. Oh, my God, man. The cop walks over. The cop goes, I thought it was a gun.

It was Reese's pieces. Well, what do we do now? Because E.T. do look like an old black nigga in a way. But he does. It looks like an old. My dad always said that. My dad used to say E.T. He looked like your uncle E. Gent recipes.

He looks like your uncle. That's insane. He looked like your uncle. Do you got a picture of your uncle, Jen? Nah, rest of peace, Uncle Jen. But he died in like 87. But look, so I'll say, you know, all of that. Like, even as a black kid, the moment I saw E.T, I would have personally called the CIA.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I would have never taken E. E.T. home. Like, here's the thing, why would you invite him into the house? I'm like, bro, we don't, this nigg is radioactive. I don't know. Bro, that's how the demons, the demons are supposed to not be able to get into the house.

You got to invite them in. Those vampires, whatever, okay? They just, they just, they just, they brought E.T in the house, wrapped them up in a towel. I got a little alien friend. That's not happening, baby. It can't happen to me. It's not going to be me. It's not going to happen to me.

What happens if your mom found E.T? Oh, I see it, bro. Honestly, honestly, that's your movie. It's, it's like a 12-year-old black kid trying to, like, avoid every single. single 80s adventure horror movie. That's funny. I was about to be down on it, but that's actually a funny movie.

And it's like, it's like, hey, we found an alien. Nope, close the door. Oh my God, there's a demon. He goes from city to city

just like from Maine all the way to California. Yeah. Every single, and he's just avoiding it. He starts off at Maine. He avoids it. Then he goes to,

like Illinois and it was like Freddie Krueger. It's like, a Black Dad would bring home a Gremlin. A Black Dad would bring home a Gremlin. Like, I could see like a black dad going to swap meet. He'd be like, damn,

I only got five bucks. If it was cheaper, yeah. If it was cheaper, because, like, my dad brought home the Sega Master System, like, because it wasn't, the Nintendo was too much. He was like, I was like, he's like, yo, it's $69, Nintendo $100. I'm like, I'm like, Dad, I don't want this. I'll tell you what, nigga, you're going to play it. So, you got to play with the Maguire.

Definitely play with the Maguire. $200 for Maguire in 1984. Oh, fuck. That. What? He got wrong. $200 for the mock. No, hell no.

No. What the hell? Would you guys, be real? Here the bugs came on with a fucking goldfish. If a guy walks in right here and was like, I'll give y'all all mogwise for $200, would you? I would buy a magua? I mean, now I will buy it. Yeah.

Yeah. Would you buy a magua knowing what happens? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, probably so. Hell yeah. Because I'll feel like they don't become cool. The midnight rules always fuck me up. It was like, okay, after midnight, technically, it's always.

past midnight, when does the time start versus stop? For the water thing, right? Damn. He's like, don't feed them after midnight. Okay, well, when can I start feeding them? You can't get them away either? Also, you're the first.

The midnight boys apologize for this extended D.A. Yes. What's going on about this shit for toilet? Now back to the show. We got to talk about Acclabor. Well, hold on. We got to talk about A-Train and

Sister Sage. I will be sat day one for training A-Train. I will say. I will not be there. I've seen the blind side. No, here's the thing, I didn't like, I didn't like that part because it was too true to life. Because honestly, it is always that thing when it's like you work out of place. It's like, there are that many black people.

She's like, she's like, hey, they're in enough room on the seven for three Negroes. So you got to get out of here. Do you think she knows it's him? Absolutely. She looked at that mom of the other like. Hey, trying to find out who the league is. It didn't run out of here. Because at the, yeah, she's hinting to it.

If she doesn't know it's him, I feel like it does a lot of damage to her care. No, she knows. I think she absolutely knows. Here's the thing I think she knows, but I also do think that Sage is playing her own game. Yes. Where she's not revealing everything that she knows to Homelander. Like, she, I think she is trying to be strategic with, can I use a train? Also, I'm going to be real.

At this point, when, like, Homelander was doing all the blinking and shit and was was not there and Sister Sage was looking at him. I'm like, I might need A-Train. So, like, we ain't, I'm not blowing up this spot just yet. Yeah, I think it's a part of that. Like, she used that to control A-Train, right? Hey, man, I know you were the one who actually did it. If you don't do what I'd tell you to do, I'm such a homeland or you're gone, you know?

So. How do we feel about Ashley losing out on her best eater? She didn't take it well. Nah, I mean, what can you do at the end of the day, man? Like, the game is the game. You got to chalk it up to that. I feel sad for her. Me too.

He can't stop losing. She came over there trying to dom him up. Yeah. Can you imagine being that freak nasty with somebody and having them just turn on a dime like that? Because she was just, she was trying to get him to pop the anal beads back in on stage. And he's like, I'm good actually. Yeah. And he took like a bit of the green bean, whatever, like, tough scene.

We hope we can be friends. I was, I get why she would take that mean. I guess I get why she'd be hard about it. That was, that was tough look. That's a tough look. So this is what I'll say. I'll say that, you know, like we're at the midway point in the season. A little bit past that.

Before we get out of here with the boys, what are the three most interesting threads still left to pull on? Obviously, we have the virus that Butcher wants to soup up. You say it's the least interesting to try to take out Homelander. We have Homelander and Ryan and Butcher. What's going on with Butcher's powers? What's going on with Butcher's powers and what's happening there? and is there anything in the 7?

Also, I should say the kids from Gen V Oh yeah, quick cameo from them. Quick cameo from them. But I think they're going to be around. Yeah, why were they? I was so confused because they were just hanging with the 7? I'm like, are they just on the crew now? That was staged as like a, you know, like a green room, I guess.

So they go on stage. The top of Vot Tower? No, they were at the top of Vat Tower. I was like, why did they get invited me in there? Because everybody's coming through doing the V-52-ish, you know what I'm saying? So like, that's what Cameron was. those are the deep was. Yeah, but then they're part of the whole speech that Homelander gives.

It's like, all right, we're going to be badass motherfuckers now. And they're like, whatever they're trained. I don't know why they were going for that specific moment. Yeah. But I guess it was just, well, you're here now. Let's lock in type type beat. Interesting. So, yeah, I think those are kind of things I'm watching.

And also, you know, just Victorian Newman and that character is such an intriguing character that we're not really seeing. They got to be doing more. A lot of, yeah. She was such a lucky man, though. Yeah, in real life. In real life. Oh, by the way, shout out to Eric Kripke and the rest of the boys.

That it was just a very funny little anecdote that the scene of her looking at the butthole was real. Yeah, it was an actor that they made. Yeah. How much money would it take for you if you were a model? What will your day rate be to show your butthole to the entire world in that situation? how much would they pay you? What would be your day right? Am I a working actor in L.A.?

You're a working actor in L.A. Or you're a model. I'll go five figures some. You have to give me the exact number, though. What number are you going to show you? Five figures, you nasty, freaky-ass month. What? Is that not enough for you?

Dog, I'm not doing it for any less than $200. $200. I was going to say like $150. Yeah. In that range. I'm going to turn that around. You're an actor that's unknowingly opening a phone that you need to act and react to.

What's your per episode ask after you unwilling see a butthole. That's, that's, you're, I've seen so many buttholes on, on my screen. It's fine. What do you mean by that? Willingly? They have a hole?

What do you mean by the air? A whole thing on Pornhub, that's just anal. I've seen a lot of, are you watching? Yeah, I don't know. So, so just listen. You. What? Prime era Guantanamo Bay, George Bush would not have gotten that out of me.

That's crazy. I just don't understand y'all. That's crazy. I really, can I say this? I mean, we're watching the boys. I feel like you could have kept that to yourself. I want to go back to the question about the money.

You know what? I want to go back to the well. I know we go back to the well about this all the time. But like, what's the big deal? It's porn everywhere. It's butthole. We live in a butthole-based society. Y'all didn't see.

We are a butthole-based society. Yeah. Like, y'all didn't see. I know. You've never clicked on one of those videos ever in your life. A butthole-based society. That's why we're all full of shit. Wow.

That's a good one. But I'm just saying, you saw a butthole in the boys. By the way, I'm telling y'all, so you saying right now, you said, how much? What's the dollar amount? 150 to $200,000. $150,000? You said five figures. Five figures.

Stayed on business. 75. Okay, what about you? I said $150. $1.50. Let me tell you guys something for right now. All three of y'all are showing butthole for $10,000. $10,000 in 20, $24?

Because of tax? Turn my phone off. I'm taking home like $7,000. I'm not showing my butt off for $7,000. Because nobody's even really going to know is you. Yeah. Like nobody's going to know as you. Like it's a reality.

I would. The $10,000. They came to that actor and they was like, look, $10,000 for the butthole. And boom. Okay, but check this out now. Yo, you'd be like, y'all's in the boys. Where were you in the boys at?

Right. You don't exactly put that on your IMDB. If you want to tell people, then you can tell people. By the way, if you, going to show anything, the butthole is probably the best thing to show. What does that really say about you? You know what I mean? Oh, y'all told you guys, I got

the Brazilian wax. You got that, right? You got... What? What? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got a Brazilian wax. So after that, I feel like somebody deserves to see. Look upon my works ye mighty in despair. Yeah. I got Brazilian wights this past weekend. I'm happy for you, man. Congratulations. Because I was running a lot. I was starting to get ingones.

Yeah. You got the Brazilian warts. Anyway. What is this episode? Okay. You got to go. It's not. We lost it. Man, I can't wait for Huey to leave the boys, man.

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We're getting ready to talk about The Acolyte. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. Now put you in the know about the acolyte.

Only person they can do that is Chuck. The way to do that, Midnight Manifest. All right, these are Midnight Manifest for the Ackolite Night, directed by Alex Garcia Lopez, written by Coradonna and Cameron Squires. The mysterious Sith warrior dispatches of most of the Jedi defines his match in Seoul. Yord escapes with Oshah at Soul's behest,

while Jackie tries to capture May. Ocha runs back to help her Jedi friends, but not before the Sith warrior kills Yord and Jackie is then revealed to be Khmer. OSHA stops Seoul for, killing Camere and ends up beefing with her sister again. May knocks OSHA out with the forest and swaps clothes with her. May disguises

OSHA, goes back to the ship with Seoul, as Camer finds OSHA dressed as May in the forest. And that's when you're very short, Midnight Manifest for The Ackleet. Go. This is what we've been waiting for. Yeah. The Acolyte, this is...

Is Ackalit. Like, he's like, here's the thing. I'm not saying that this fixes anything. Like, my problems with the show are still my problems with this show. But, like, I'm a dumb... Like, I... just have a dumb lizard brain.

And when they started scrapping with the lightsabers, Sol and Camere were doing hand-to-hand combat, I'm like, let's fucking go. This is what we've been waiting. I'll ask you this. Do you feel like they fucked up by knowing that they had this in the bag and waiting this long? I'm like,

this to me sets the tone for the show so much where I'm like, oh, finally. And I'm just like, is it too late? Did too many people write off the show? did they think that they had more goodwill than they did? So this is what I'll say. It's a good question.

Totally this episode is different from any other episode during the show. Yes. It is. Yes. Now, the question that you're asking is could they have gotten here sooner? Absolutely. What I'll say is this. I'll say that I think that maybe they thought the things that they had in the first episodes leading up to this were a little bit more compelling than what they were.

some of it was cool to watch but none of it really had the feeling of high drama, intrigue, and conflict that this episode did. This was like fucking amazing from start to finish and all the questions that were being asked,

all the questions that were being answered, the desperation. But I don't know if they could have gotten there any faster. I do think that they could have gotten there better. No, not even, I'm not even asking for if they could have gotten to this episode faster, more where I was just like, oh, no, what you guys are doing staging-wise, lighting tonally with the fights. I'm like, where was this for the rest of the series?

Because we've been asking this question, why can't the Jedi be cool? And Seoul, I'm like, Seoul got busy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, they were cool. Jackie got busy too. They were cool. Fuck, Jackie got busy too. They were cool.

They were, they got fucking washed out of their boots. Wow, yeah. They were, they were very cool. Look, so hell is old. Here's the thing, Jackie got heart. If you want to, if I was Yoda, if I was Yoda, I would scrap all the fucking Jedi and be like, I need more Jackie's. Like, just like, she was like going fucking ham. She was fair.

Angry, too. When they first started fun, I was like, oh, she, it's over. This guy's supposed to be. like a Jedi or a Sith master, y'all here with the, uh, paduan, uh,

that's not gonna go great. She held her own. She was the only one with heart. I'm like, she'd given it her all, bro. Hey, you thought Yord would be ready with it.

Oh, you know, we got to talk about it. Hell, you know, what they doing to African American men and a dog too far away? Yord got like,

you're didn't do shit. He got his neck snap. I'm like, I'm, I'm gonna be honest with you. That's, you're your neck snap. That's a bitch-ass way to die.

In Star Wars, when you got a lightsaber? You got the neck snap? Yeah. Whenever somebody snap your neck like that, that's the, that's actually the sign that you ain't shit. You know, boom, boom, boom, but snap. That's how you, you kill like rogue guy number three that way. Not like somebody that got lines. He didn't even use his lightsaber.

Like, he was just like, I don't even need a lightsaber to get ready. He used that shit for a flashlight this episode. That's my problem with Yord. Yord talked a big fucking game. This entire, he's taken off his shirt. He's Mr. Sexy. I'm like, you let the Padawan run towards him. He was brave, though.

I will, I will to give your, your was brave. He was brave and he was very diligent and disciplined as a Jedi. Rest and peace. He was brave. He died braver than most. You did. I mean, he died trying to get, like. Yours a sucker, bro.

I'm done. I'm, like. We got to talk about the way Manny went and killed, like, half of those, like, I can count like seven bodies. No, half. He killed them all. They all died except for salt. He, like, there's one guy on the four.

Remember, before. even the title rolls, he's got one person on a lightsaber, force brings up the number one. Nuts! He cababs. Like, oh, man. Here's the thing, I wouldn't, if I'm so, I'm not even going, like,

I'm not even going back to person. It's like, it's like, it's like, yeah. Like, imagine you roll up and yod is like, where's everybody else? He's like, you're not going to believe this shit, bro. Like, you're not going to believe this. But here's the thing, bro, like, I got to give it to Manny because, like,

I didn't really like his betrayal of whoever the fuck he was. Yeah. But the moment he had this. sauce in this episode. When he took off the fucking mask, he had the arms. He was fucking, when he did, who did he kill? Where he did the lightsaber thing was like, boom, boom. That was Jackie.

That shit, I was like, who fucking. He triple tapped her way. He felt like Gushas. Yeah. Like, bap, ba, ba, bah, bah. Yeah. Like, p. Man.

What is his, is he turning people's lightsabers off or is he disabling them? So, okay, this is a very interesting thing. So it's like, oh, you got it. Yeah, go, Jomey. Go Jomey. It's called. cortosis. It's a metal that you can use

to disable light sabers for just like a couple of things like Oh yeah, yeah. Basically. So when you like He can hit it and it'll like Short them out for a little bit. So what is he doing? He's like basically like Just putting it and like on top of the The hilt

Basically and it just like fizzes And it just like fizzes and shorts out for like 30 seconds or whatever And then it comes back. Think about like blowing a fuse And you got to like reset it. Oh. Yeah. That's what the helmet and the Which again is the amount of like clever shit that this show has up its sleeve. The sheer like amount of violence, let alone like creativity to give us. That was cooking.

With like, okay, the way that the helmet falls off, first of all. Second of all, like the way that every single fight is conceived. And then we actually get a incredibly compelling story, like small interactions between Manny and Soul. Like I was thoroughly compelled by everything that he was doing. and he's acting circles around this entire cast after this. I mean, Mani, our man, he's always had it, man. Yeah.

Point to Jason Mendoza, he got caught out of Top Gun Maverick, tough scene. But he's always had some juice. I will say, another problem is like, when Mani gets to be, like, I guess they're officially calling him the stranger, but he gets to be the Sith warlord.

It's the first time on this show, I feel like anybody has had charisma. Presence, yes. Presence when he's on. I'm like, oh, I'm scared of him. And it was like, first of all, the helmet is cool. When the helmet goes off,

I'm like, bro, he's, he's menacing. I feel like they're in danger. It's like, even though I'm just like, oh,

the Jedi were whack as fuck for getting washed like that, I believed that he could do that. Yeah, the Sith always comes through it is worth like at least four Jedi, right? Yeah.

The Sith is, but the display of power was breathtaking. And also, this is going to sound stupid. But nobody, in this show seemed confident until he showed up. Everybody seemed

to be in limbo about something. No one was resolute. Saul had all of this stuff in the past that he was trying to keep hidden. Both OSHA and May both seem like they're incomplete parts of them.

Yord seems like he's trying to be a Jedi. He's a Jedi. He's trying so hard. No one seemed really confident and resolute like this is what I want until he showed up and when he showed up he was like

all right well I'm here now I am the bad guy and it seems like it cemented the show when somebody was there just to stand as granted and be like this is the thing and I think that that's what we've been waiting for the show to do because the entire reasoning for the show

to happen is like oh yeah what's going to be the philosophical counterpoint to the Jedi to like bring back the Sith. Like, what do they have against the Jedi that is actually going to feel so strong? We didn't get that in May. She's not our avatar for that political ideology.

She's just more of the person that's like, okay, well, the Jedi fucked over my family, so I want revenge on them. But, like, the person that's pulling my strings actually gives a shit about what the Jedi are about. When Soul was like, you kill the child, he was like, you brought her here. He called her, first one, he called her an...

Is that his name? Is that its name? He killed the child. I'm just like, soul. Soul, come on. I mean, you guys use child soldiers. Yeah, and like he immediately throws a child soldiers. And I mean, just for me, now there's still huge parts of the show that, and we can be honest about what we liked. The show was moving slowly before and setting up a mystery that still hasn't crystallized, right? I'm not interested in the mystery.

Okay, so there we go. So the mystery hasn't crystallized, right? And what this show is, if we're being honest, be honest about the acolyte. It's low-hanging fruit in terms of a cool, bad guy in Jedi action. Sure. So it's always going to get you. Of all the Disney Plus shows, when have we seen a cyber fight like this? Even in like Star Wars lore, ever since what?

Maybe I would the throne fight and the last Jedi. I'm not a big fan of it. Right? But then you don't what the last fight? But then you'd have to go back to what, Mustafa? Yeah. Right? That's 2005.

This is almost 20 years. We've had. I'm not saying this is not some of the coolest shit that we had. in terms of saber fights. I'm not saying that this is not the cool shit we have. What I'm saying is that, like, give an example. I always use the Kalika model, right? I'm sitting down watching it.

She walks past. And she goes, oh, because what she sees is colors. Yeah. She sees... Or Managers Cento's arms. No, no. Could be that, too. Whatever.

What she sees is colors. I'm with it. Do your thing. Like, she sees colors, and she sees Jedi fighting. And she's like, oh my God, who are they fighting? Like, what's going on? And I'm like, remember the end of, and she said, oh, the guy who floated down. She calls him the vampire.

I can hear a colleague saying that. He goes, oh, the guy who floated down, that's the guy. And I'm like, you want me to? She says, yeah, so now I know I got to start it over. Sure. We start it over and you're seeing everything that's going. So that's all very intoxicated. What we leave off, though, is interesting.

We leave off back to the place that we kind of started with a lot. of questions about what happened on the planet to all the witches and what ocean may are up to so pulled a parent trap at the end there at the very yeah the whole very she cut her hair off just take the shit and cut her

I have issues with this that was so funny burnt hair like just singing it with a lightsaber burnt hair smells nasty have you ever smelt burnt hair you ever like been off her grill I grew up here I was gonna say I know what you're trying to say why would it why You're trying to say our hair?

You're trying to say our hair stink? Trying to say our hair stink? No, I'm trying to say burnt hair smells. You ever burned? You're a burnt hair? The white people burn hair smells. Our hair smells like fucking chocolate when we burn it. We'll talk about our hair.

Now, somehow that, okay. Coco butter. Played the drums, me. No, what she does. Okay, Metro. Shut up and play some drones. I'm fucking with Steve. Go ahead.

When she does, first of all, that was the, corneous shit ever. It was like, it's when you lean over because you don't want to get singed. And I'm like, first of all, I'm like, if I'm soul, immediately I'm being like, hey, I agree with Steve. Your hair is burnt. Like, I can smell that shit. Yeah.

Second of all, your fucking hair line is fucked up. You're obviously not fucking OSHA. He couldn't feel like, you can't. They don't. They don't. They don't. Sent something with a force. God damn.

But Manny said he didn't want to take off the helmet. He's like, so you can read my mind. So I'm like, so he's. powerful enough to read minds where this Sith fucking warrior is scared of soul, but he's not smart enough to be like, that's not fucking. Also, when did the Magneto rules come to stop? That was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What did that happen? They gave more the Magneto helmet. That's nuts. But I just thought the only thing I thought was, and maybe they have, we don't know. Maybe they have. We don't know. Maybe they have. My first thing was she's going to go back around them and he's going to feel that something's different.

Yeah, right. He's going to be able to feel that. Maybe he's going on. He's going on the ship and he's just like... Maybe he knows. I want to give it that credit. But there were... This is not a great week for twin representation in nerd culture.

Because even when May, he's like, I'm going to switch clothes with her and I'm going to act like I'm friends with soul. I was like, why are we doing this? This Looney Tune shit? Back to back. I'll tell you this. They have to tell us what happened on the next episode. I don't want to go another episode without knowing what happened. Because it actually feels like the show has just started.

Yeah, they have to tell us what happened on the next episode. Oh, when the episode ended without us revealing the mystery, I was like, to your point, I was like, we are getting to a point where I don't give a fuck. What happened to the witches? I don't give a fuck. It happened to the Jedi. I, like, y'all got to, because it does feel like this episode was so much forward momentum. And then when it ends without them really revealing anything, I was like, guys, three episodes left.

I'll say something else. He could have killed her. There's a reason why he didn't. Yeah, I think he used her. Yeah, he could have killed her. There's a reason why he didn't. He's killing everybody else. I mean, look, having somebody with a lightsaber to,

by the way, that's fucking rad, bro. That's nuts. Yeah, like a gun. He's like having somebody with a lightsaber to their head. If you wanted to kill her, you just killed her. There's a reason why he was. We didn't even take, like, We speak about a lightsaber

when he's got Jackie and she and then he like pops out a lightsaber from his lightsaber. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, he does that. Uh-huh. So, also I was going to ask, do we think Manny is a red hair? Well, what would you mean? Yes, yes. You mean, there's a master

above the master? Well, yeah, because there's, I mean, the hierarchy is there's a master, there's an apprentice, but under the apprentice is the acolyte.

Right. Right. That's like how that goes. So, we thought that, you know, he was the master and trying to make, May the apprentice, but actually there's somebody up top.

There's somebody above him, and to sit the rule of two, he's trying to get him a second person to take over for the master, probably. That's just usually how that goes. Because I was like, I was like, because I'll be honest, when I did realize it was Mani, like Mani killed it. He was, he's the most charismatic motherfucker in this series so far.

I was a little bit like, when the reveal happened, I was just like... They telegraphed a little bit. It was a lot of bit. Brother, he had his helmet in the gigantic bag that he was carrying. This is like, man, are the Spurs going to draft Victor one in Yama or number one overall? Who knows? You know, y'all's saying that, but everybody else had somebody different that they thought that they...

No, I said it's obvious. Steve had it by like episode two. By episode two, we're like, it could... You know, it might be, like, you were talking about it could be Indara. But I thought it was too easy. Exactly. By episode... I'm like, well...

If it's not him, then, like, that's just kind of insane, but also, like, it's too obvious now at this point. It's not really a mystery anymore. That's the thing, though. If it wasn't him, the show hasn't given us anybody else to actually either know long enough or care about long enough. Yeah, but it's a mystery, though. Yeah. I was like, all right. When his helmet pops off and he triple taps Jackie and her body falls, we're supposed to be like, oh, shit, it's Mani Hicento.

We're like, boy, he looks cool. What they show his arms? Yeah, the reveal itself, I mean, the character had done so much work by the time the reveal happened that I was just kind of swept up in it. I didn't think that I was going to get a reveal that really mattered unless it had been

Joni Turner Smith's character. That's the only way that I would... Yeah, yeah. Well, he does... Because here's a thing. If there's a mass or whatever, she does say... Oh, because they're just like,

he stays in your head. And then I think it was OSHA who said, my mother could do that. So I'm just like, is the mother, is she the master? Or did one of them survive and potentially, this is how they're getting

their revenge? Could be. See, all of that stuff is, these are the questions we're supposed to be asking about the show because the show is supposed to be, you know, deep in this sort of subterview and this mystery and all of that stuff. So I think this episode was a perfect episode for them to

reset the entire show. And I'll say this. This is not a novel claim to make or an original claim to make. I think this show will be better reviewed or will have a better understanding of it when it's all finished just because of all the things it's trying to do.

For sure. As an episode to episode show, there might be times where we're like, that just didn't work. Because once again, some of them seem so incomplete and like they don't quite make sense why things happen the way that they happen.

But if we get three more episodes that really answer a lot of questions, we might rewatch one, we might rewatch two, we might rewatch two. These are not episodes of Star Wars television that I hate it. They're not at all. I'm saying you might go back

and look at them differently and see new things when you have the full scope of what the mystery and what the world is. If I'm being honest, this is the most enjoyable TV show to me, the Star Wars TV show since

fucking, I don't know, like Indrusting. Mando Season 2. Where, like, I mean, what other, what's, what it's, what's it competing against? I didn't really like Asoka. I didn't like Boobah fat. And there's a different thing.

You didn't like Asoka. I didn't like Asoka. Andor, it's in a different. He's in a different tier. That's, like, I didn't, I didn't hate Asoka, but I didn't like it. Obi-Wan fell flat for me. Book of Boba Fett.

At least this one, I'm just like, they're trying some shit. Like, once again, I've never really seen in a live action Star Wars show them incorporate martial arts in the, because we're always like, well, of course the Jedi know martial arts. I'm like, why don't some of them fucking use it? And this was, I was just like. He was like, and I was just like, okay, I will give this show more credit because it's showing me stuff where I was always like, I've been waiting for somebody to do this show. The Jedi be kicking and stuff, though.

Yeah. They like to kick. They like kick you in the chest. I mean, it's like it's the robes probably. You can't really like cock a punch like that in a row. Yeah, doing all that stuff. I don't know, bro. The Jedi got to change, change like the Paduan training center or some shit like that.

They got it. They can't. It was eight people, bro. This motherfucker looked like. Remember that run that Marshall on Lynch had against the Saints? Yeah. Right, yeah. Be smooth.

Remember that. That's how he lived, bro. Like, it's, it's like, it was nuts. At a certain point, I was like, man, and I'll say, look, this show has some balls, man. To kill off Jackie and to kill off Yorne, to kill off acute young Padawan. Yeah. This show has, this was a brutal episode of tough. I think the level of violence that we saw here might have been the most violent thing that I've ever seen in Star Wars.

This entire show is based around Dead Jedi. Yeah. But I didn't get fun. Like, here's the thing. man, he was so cool. When Jackie got popped, I'm like, all right. Oh, you didn't care about Jackie. That's my mom, man.

Yeah, the only time Jackie was cool in this entire series was this episode. Yeah, but she was like a young person. You know what I mean? If you don't care about that. When you're, I was like, all right. That was tough. His haircut could go. But I was, I was legitimate.

Oh, I had a good joke. I can't. It's too much for the podcast. Is it when he said, you got a save? No, no, no. We can't put it in the pocket. Okay, we won't. All right.

Also, we got a shout out real quick. my man Basil He was just like I got a feeling that he saw that Mani's when he came down from the trees he knew Basil was out and he's like You know what I'm not going to kill him He better not at it I was worried

Can I say something else just real quick You know I love to have these conversations Once again instant reaction show Like so we can spitball a little bit So he killed Eight Jedi that have been training with lightsabers This whole time the bug, the flying blood people too much.

It's a lot of bugs. And, you know, you... So he literally, the Jedi are standing there. He just blows them away with the force. But the bugs, too much. The strong bugs. I did have that question where I was just like... Get away from me, bug.

Lightaber, lightsaber, lightsaber. Like, the bugs too much. I was just funny. He couldn't, like, flip over the... Because I'm just like, motherfucker, you could have just been like... I mean, he was floating last week. You know what I mean? He could fly.

Yeah. He could fly. You know what I mean? But he did eventually beat the bugs. It just took a second. It's a lot of bugs. But also, by issue, like, with the show sometimes, and, like, they playing fast and loose with these rules.

Because I'm like, you would have thought, I'm like, bro, man, he at this point could be fucking Anakin the way he was moving. Anakin never flew. I'm like, how powerful is this motherfucker? Yeah, I wonder about that. We need the power scaling. We need an even match up. Once again, no, Sith.

Sith have special strong shit that they can do. I tell you what, there is, we talk about. loving to watch Jedi get down, there's nothing cooler than watching the Sith get down. Man, it's pretty great. Because the Sith, because here's the thing, the Jedi never really, I don't know why, but like the Jedi never really go all out. The Sith are fighting on passion and emotion. Well, I mean, they talk about this episode, you know, the Jedi have rules.

You can't, you can't do. Seth's like, we can't break the rules if we don't follow them, baby. You can't break the rules if we don't follow them. Let it fly. This guy, you can't kill me. I'm unarmed. You dead. Here's the thing, I'll be real.

Soul was selling like crazy. He sold right there because, think about it. You just killed all my homies. My little pedamon. Oh, but I can't. You're unarmed. I'm unarmed. What lame shit are you talking about?

I've never seen a Jedi kill somebody unarmed on screen. Think about it. Anarchy. Well, that's not the same. He doesn't count. Has Luke ever killed someone on-armed? Unarmed. A person.

I don't think I don't think I've seen him kill anybody. He's killed a bunch of droids, but no. Deroys don't count. But again, but like this is back into a time when they would probably, yeah, I know, they don't. Not doing this today. I'm not saying it. But it's the idea that, like, this is where they're zealotry towards those rules is probably

at its height where they're like, nope, got to follow the rules. We can't. I would have chopped him in of 8,000 pieces. Yeah, he's done. Also, and I got to be real. If I see a motherfucker flying and I got a chance to take him out, I'm going back to the Jedi temple, I'm like, hey, I know we're not supposed to kill anybody if they're unarmed. But this motherfucker was flying.

So I just took you. We just had to like get him off the fuck. Yeah, yeah. So Anakin killed Dukul when Dukul was disarmed. Literally didn't have any hands. I had no hands. Sure. But he was evil by then.

Not really. Not really. He was still. We're talking to episode three? Yeah, the beginning episode three. He was probably evil by then. He was not. He wasn't evil.

He wasn't evil. He killed multitudes of same people. Yes. Yes. Oh, whoa. The. Tuscan, not Tuscan. The little homies.

He killed the younglings. Oh, he was already Darth Vader. Yeah, he had to be done by that. Yeah, he had to already Darth Vader by then. Trying to think, have we ever seen anyone else, any other Jedi killed anybody that's unarmed? I don't think we have. Obi-1.

That's why the Jedi sucked. I don't think they do that because I was like, so I would have, what I would have done is such a stupid rule. I would have, let's see. You want to plant the lightsaber on them? Yeah. They cops? They cops.

He was reaching for us. light saber off. Like he was reaching, I thought he, I sense it in the force he was reaching for his lightsaber. Wow.

They cops. They do shit like that. There's no, there's no body cams from the Jedi counsels probably. Wait, there's no body cams in space. Is that the reveal of the,

is that going to be the reveal of the accolate where the, like the fucking Jedi go crazy and they just like planted some evidence to be like, yo, the witch is fucked out. It was a, you know what the galaxy need?

The galaxy need DeRay. They need somebody in a, in a, to come out there and be against the Jedi Man Tollo Not gonna be honest Mace Windu

Corrupt as fuck He would show up In like Jedi mind trick Like fucking Derey be like The Jedi are great Yeah The propaganda going You think they took those bodies

Off Kofar Or they just left them for We'll even know what happened yet No we don't What do we think happened Between Soul and May and OSHA On yeah

What do we think happened? It definitely didn't go down the way we see it. So anybody in the room have any thoughts about what we think happened there? I, like, it's... Seems like a clandestine effort to, kind of like in Star Trek where they'll send like a couple red shirts or something, like go infiltrate this thing and get some intel. Like, if we got to blow it up, you blow it up. You know what I'm saying?

They sent the jet out on some omission they was supposed to go on. And it ended up getting, you know, all those witches killed. and they had to save either mayor or OSHA and just like something they were definitely not supposed to do within the rules of the force and they went ahead and did it and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Arjuna,

what do you think happened? I mean, it circles around Seoul, right? Yeah. Like he talks about soul having the darkness and I think the perspective we got in episode three in the flashback episode shows Saul in the most positive light

of all the Jedi. So I think whatever we're going to get, it's going to be something with soul and his darkness. And they've talked about how do you kill a Jedi without a weapon? You turn a Jedi. That's still got to come for soul. So he's going to turn. You said it circles around soul, right?

What does soul meaning Spanish? The sun. He's the center of all of it. What's the opposite of me? A tap in. Yeah, because that Jomi was on his shit. Let's give it. Snap it up for Jomey, guys. Snack it up for Jomey. I like to snap it up.

The snaps are a lot more tasteful. You like that better? Yeah. We'll change it for you. Now, we don't clap no more. Somebody else got to clap. We snap. You know what I mean?

Amid snap. Man, we're in. Right there. Okay, so we all, so we're, the acolyte is, is back. Look, I will tell you something if you, if it's acolytes back. Was it, was it here? It was gone. It was gone.

Here's the thing. I'll say this. I'll say this. I'm going to be real with you. Just last thing I'll say, if you didn't like this episode, you were racist. So, sure. I'm not even. I get it. I get it.

You know, is you doing y'all review thing. I just wait for the hate or copium to be like, well, it wasn't that cool. I'm going to be honest with you. The show was the show was kind of, you know, making you all right. You can't fight this. The show was kind of making y'all right. But if you didn't like this one, yeah, you, you probably racist.

Okay, nerd news. All right. One second. Chuck. All right, nerd news. Guys, we have to talk about it. finally we see leaked photos leaked honestly at this point

I'm like y'all y'all motherfuck of stage it is yeah I mean that's his take that your take then is that they're staging all of these leaks because we're finally seeing the first official not official but Superman in his suit we've seen Lois Lane we've seen Mr. Terrific then I need to know from you this can't be the way the movie look man

of course it's not the way the movie looks I'm just now when you say really obviously it looks terrible this can't be the way the only one the only one the only one one that is, before we get to Superman and Lois, Mr. Terrific, bro, what's going on? I think it actually looks cool. I think Mr. Terrific looks cool.

Okay. Steve? My guy. But I'll say, but I like, so I didn't get a chance to see that much of Mr. Terrific. I didn't get a chance to see his costume as much, okay? I saw a little bit of it. I didn't get,

I can't make any determinations. Wow, you're really. It didn't look great. So, so, I mean, I got to keep it real with the audience. It didn't look great. It didn't, it didn't, it didn't look great. First of all, there's a such thing as being too comic accurate. Yeah.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It didn't look great. But first of all, the, the amount of characters that are in this Ultraman, Mr. Terrific. Like, the fucking, everybody's in the fucking movie. And I, and I don't know what the script of the movie entails. But, like, it doesn't, it looks, it looks, it looks, some of it looks like fanfic. Whoa, whoa, wow. Wow.

I just got me through. It's very similar to how a lot of, it looks. of the costumes looked in the suicide squad. Do you remember when Dark Night Rises, set photos were leaking, and we saw Ann Hathaway's Catwoman, and everybody's just like, she's just in pajamas. I don't remember that. I remember that. I remember thinking, I never really thought she had it like that, but she might happen.

Okay, so you owe her an apology. That's fine. I, but I, we've, we've had this before where they're like, well, that looks terrible, like in a, like, paparazzi photo taken from, like, a quarter mile away. Yeah. Like in the broad sunlight. I like the super. Like, I hated the official one they did that looked like it was AI generated. I think the Superman suit from the tabloid shit looks good.

Yeah. That shit looks terrible, man. What? Okay. I don't love it as much as you do, but I do like it and I'm willing to give it a chance. I don't know. I don't love it. I don't love it.

But it's like, here's the thing. I think Snyder fans can get mad at me. I think it looks better than that Henry Cavill shit. I think it looks better than that. I mean, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on real quick. Wait, wait. Oh, no.

The Superman suit that we've seen on David Cornswet right now, you think it looks better than the Henry Cavill suit? Hell yes. I don't understand how one could have that opinion. Like, let's bring it up. Like, it looks better than the Henry Cavill suit. I don't know if it looks better, but I will say I think what has occurred is Henry Caval suit, you know, even like the Zach Snyder stuff.

It's dark. It's dark. I do think you need the red trunks. I'm going to be on. I'm a trunk's absolution. I think what James Gunn has done was went the entire opposite direction. Yes. The suit is back.

So? Okay. He's brought it all the way back to Christopher Reeve. It's bright. He's got to get trunks, red, like the whole thing. We also got to see it. Like, to be fair, we also got to see it in the movie. Yes.

You're right. Where it's like, because like they're going to do some CGI to it. They're obviously going to like, this is also. That's Clark Kit. I dig that. I think that might be a joke. That's got to be a joke. That's not serious.

That's why I think he's like at stage. I think he's trolling a little. Because what is that? I really do think that he's, this can't be. Because that can't be, bro. He's trolling.

Because here's the thing too. All right. I'm putting on the tinfoil hat really quick. The first official photo that they released, dog, that was the negativity on that shit was, I know. That was nuts.

Do you think that this is kind of them putting these photos out there being like, all right, we got to just hit them with a couple paparazzi picks to maybe move the needle. Maybe not move the needle, but I feel like people are getting into a fervor for this,

for this one. And obviously people are excited to know what James Gunn's going to do for this. And I think that he's kind of playing the social media game a little bit. Like you've seen him on threads now. He's active on threads. Weirdly enough. But like he's leaking a bunch of like, you know,

them reading the comic books, like set photos, yada, yada. Like he's really active as to what people are trying to like suss out of him as to what what is true for this new DCU and what is not. And I think that this is kind of part of that. Like I think this is a fine play. Can we grade the suit? If we, like from A plus

being the highest to F. So it's not, it's, you guys are right, it's not quite fair. I just so. You love Superman. I do you, you know the aesthetic that James Gunn brings to these things? Think about the Suicide Squad aesthetic, right? Sure. How it looked. Sort of bright.

Sort of retro. You know what I'm saying? A little grimy. Yeah. Yeah, grimy, but it's still pretty... I don't know if it works for Superman. Maybe. Because the reason why I say that...

I got to see it. I got to see it. But the reason why I say that is because Superman is already, when you think about it, the hokeyest of the big heroes. Boy Scout, the tights. It's kind of... If you get... play with that a little bit too much, you can lose the character in the hokeyness of it.

It starts to look, like I say, Superman fanfic, it starts to look like that a little bit. Now, I'm not saying that that's going to be the case here. It's way too early. And you guys' points about this being paparazzi stills that are taken on set as well taken. It's a very fair point. What I'm just saying is like, it seems, when I look at it, it seems like they're winking at the audience a little bit? I don't know if it, are they taking the movie seriously?

I mean, I was more, I was more excited that they were shooting in broad daylight in a real place. Rather than a soundstage in Atlanta. That's not the volume. That's not the volume. That's what I was most happy about. Has this been James Gunn's M.O.

for all of his superhero? I don't think, maybe. I don't think we got any leaks from Guardians. No, no, no, not leaks, but in terms of, like, it being very winky, winky, winky, like, comic book accurate and him basically. I mean, no. I don't think that this is like what they're exactly going for

for a comic book accurate. I think it's just more of like, okay, modern classic. But yeah, modernizing. How am I the most positive on this? No, no, I'm positive on it. I like it. I love this. By the way, I'm concerned.

I'm not even going to lie. Like, it's... I'm not concerned. I'm not concerned. I'm concerned. What I'm saying is that I looked at the suit and I looked at Luther and I look at Ultraman and Mr. Terrific. And I'm like, hmm.

I'm a little I'm going to see this movie I want to love this movie You guys I tried to love the flash Obviously I'm going to try to love Superman But there was a little concern From me What's the best Superman suit?

Live action I'm looking at it right now What's the Superman and Lois OG From when he saved the The woman from the car I'm gonna fuck no I love this suit I love that suit

That's a cool that's a cool suit That's hell not What is the best Van. The classic Christopher Reeve joined. There was no other answer. I mean, there was no other answer. There was no other answer.

I really liked this. There was no other answer. That one has some hokeyness to. Maybe. But again, to Vance point, Superman is hokey, and I think that's what James Gunn is going to do. He's going to lean all the way into the hokeyness. But like, I'll tell you why I like that suit.

Number one, Christopher Reeve is a big dude, and he got, but he wasn't like overall. He wasn't like... Jack yet. Yeah. You know what I mean? But he looked good in the suit and he looked heroic. I don't know.

You guys, it's our job to sit around and talk about shit. We're sitting around and talking about shit. When I see the suits and the stuff that's coming from the set, I'm like, what the fuck? I'm kind of like, what's going on? A lot of game with. There's like a year left. It's like, there's a lot of game. I hate being the positive one on this.

Is this how y'all feel all the time? Yeah. Last nerd news, Green Lanterns got a straight. to order series by HBO. Chris Mundy, showrunner, True Detective Night Country, Ozark. He's worked on both. Damon Lindelof, Tom King,

co-writing, Logline. New recruit, John Stewart, and Lantern Legend, Hal Jordan, are two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark, earth-based mystery as they investigate a murder

in the American heartland. So they are making True Detective Green Lantern. Tyrese Gibson, come on down, baby. All the way in on them. Let's go. I love that. Tyrese.

James Gunn. I promise I will be a D.C. fucking chill. If you put Tyrese in it. It's time. Let's go. Fucking time. Yeah.

I'm excited. This is going to be great. I, you know, ever since, like, one of my first, like,

comics I ever got into, like, I watched movies was, like, a Green Lantern run. And so to, like, to finally have,

like, the movie, we don't want to talk about the movie. Even Ryan. Reynolds don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Shelby that. Okay. Okay. But to have like the lanterns like they've been, that movie scared them away from doing anything like that. Yeah. For a long time.

To finally have lanterns back in our, in our screens again, I can't wait. I'm ready. I don't, here's the thing. Green Lantern was one of my favorite comics growing up. I don't really fuck with the Green Lantern anymore. I mean, they like the Jedi. They don't like Green Lantern. You can make anything. Yeah, they're technically. We don't have time to get into what they did to like Howe Jordan over years and all that stuff. Like it's all back now. John Stewart has always sucked and be as a culta. Kyle, Kyle Rainer, Guy Gardner. It sucks even more. Like all this

guy like, what are we doing? You know what I mean? But I have to ask, Van, you are producer in Hollywood. The thing that makes me worried about this series is they've been trying to get a Green Lantern TV series off for fucking years. Like, I think even before this

iteration, wasn't Burlanti working on another green lantern? Like, I've heard about this series what seems like for years. Are we getting? Do we think we're actually getting this week? It's coming out for sure. They've actually even changed it.

You know, it's not the masses for HBO. Yeah. Lindelof. Lof. Lange. Yeah. I mean, Lindelof has the juice. Obviously, did Watchmen.

It's, you know, obviously everybody has their misses. But with him in television, with hours to tell the story. I can't see it missing. No, I don't, I'm, like, is this coming out? Just, oh, it's coming out. It's definitely coming out. Just the room that he's going to put together.

Remember, like, Watchman had cord on it and all. It's just the room that he's going to be able to put together. This show's going to be amazing. I mean, then my second, my follow-up question, moving it, moving to HBO, does that change the calculus at all? Because when this was like a Max show, I was like, oh, it's a Mac show. but like HBO I feel like has a level of quality and you add Lindel off to it where I'm just like oh

does this can this show jump a level can this show be something that like we talk about it like an and or a watchman or these shows where it's like it almost is good enough to jump over the nerd gap and just regular people are like fuck I'm watching a Green Lantern show on HBO did watchmen have that much crossover I'm not sure so let me so let me let me let me let me let me give you my thought on this in terms of the HBO thing and just the marketplace in general.

And I can be wrong about this. I think the term streamer is finally starting to be a slightly dirty word in a town. I think that there was an expectation five years ago, or maybe even four years ago, that the entire landscape of the business would turn to what was happening on streamers and what was important on streamers. I think the two things happened. One, the economics of it didn't work out

quite the way people thought that they would work out. And then two, there was a sort of cultural revolt against that much content coming out at that speed to feed all of those people. And there's been

a return to the slow methodical way that you tell story. And there's also been a return to the importance of making big things for the theater and for prestige television. I don't think that people believe that prestige television can really exist on the streamer. That the streamer itself, the structure of it is for my Macro-waving content more than it is for making the Sopranos. It's for taking something, heating it up, and then giving it to people. But I'm even wondering, like, even for them in this to be like, this is a straight-to-order series, HBO.

They're saying something. That's, to me, they're being like, no, I'm saying to, like, the critics and people are like, HBO is still HBO. This is going to be a level of quality. Yeah, they're saying something. They're saying, this is not something that we made to fill up space on a streamer, to capture people with IP, which is essentially what everybody was doing, right? What everyone was doing was Warner Brothers was saying,

we own these characters, and you have to come to Warner Brothers if you want to see them. Amazon went out and they bought Tolkien, and they say, okay, we get these characters, now you have to see here. And what ended up happening was people started to look around and it was being like, yeah, I'm only so handcuffed to my childhood, right? Yeah.

This stuff needs to be, it needs to feel big and it needs to feel important. So what you've seen now is a lot of consolidation, industry-wise for all of these streamers. They're coming together because they realize they need to do less stuff and do better stuff. And then movies like Red Notice, oh, not Red Notice, what the fucking Red,

what is Red Notice? Oh, the Twain Johnson one. Oh, yeah. Those movies, so those films, so that's the most, that's the most lucrative movie in Netflix history, right? It's got the Rock and Ryan Reynolds

and Galgado and Goda Doe in it. It doesn't feel like a movie. No, it doesn't. It feels like a movie that you see in a movie that people are watching a movie. It feels like a movie made a movie. Even by just by virtue of hitman

being in the theaters first and then going to Netflix, that feels like an actual movie in terms of like, oh, this exists in the world where it's like it's not as big as like the rock, whatever the fuck it's called. But I do think like

Green Lanterns, they're probably trying to be like, no, this is going to be a TV show. They want you to take it seriously. Yeah, like, they don't want it. They don't want it to be something that you can just come back to or something that you can just ignore. They want you to take it seriously. It's not going to be Titans or Doom Patrol.

And that's nothing against those shows. That's precisely. I was about to say. No, no, no, I mean, no, you're right. But like in the marketplace, people never treated Titans and Doom Patrol. Like real, like real TV shows. Yeah. And now they're just like, no, no, green lanterns is going to be something different.

Yeah. And, you know, it's just a thing about a lot of it. Like, when I saw that, I was like, huh, you're going to see a lot of that. You're going to see, and you're going to see a lot of the movies that, like, you thought, damn, that was for a streamer. They kind of like, no, we're putting this in theaters for four weeks. We're putting this in theaters for four weeks because we want you guys to submit to the story a little bit, get up and go out to see it.

That little tagline that you guys are starting to see. Exclusively in theaters. Only in theaters. They're telling you that we made this for you to take this seriously. Not for you to be able to watch it while you are vacuuming your house. Yeah. Or on your phone. On TikTok.

We want Green Lantern to be Sunday night. We drop your shit. Yeah. If I'm excited for, I'm like, if James Gunn can lead DC in a way where it's like less is more. And also like, hey, even with we're arguing about Superman, just the fact that we're arguing over a Superman suit, this movie comes out next year. Yeah. Yeah. I like,

that's even a positive momentum. Like, here's the thing. I know I was trolling, but like, we, like, I was trolling for Black Adam.

That's all we fucking had. Yeah. And now it's just like, I mean, they'll be, so think about it. This movie will be done by the fall. Um,

probably be done shooting before then, right? In the summer, right? They'll be done by the end of summer. We'll get a trailer, a teaser. By Christmas?

By Christmas? And then like a real trailer by the Super Bowl, about a Super Bowl. I mean, they have to... They're fast-tracking it. Yeah, I mean, they're not fast-tracking. I mean, they... It's going to start.

The promo is going to start. The promo is going to start. Rollouts coming. It's good for it. But I just take everybody to think about, like, the moment that we're in as far as, like, what it means to have a show on a streamer, what the streamers mean.

And the fact that the town, particularly after the strike, is wrestling with what it means to produce a show. I mean, I'm not saying, last thing I'll say about this. That doesn't mean the bears on a streamer. So there's great, amazing prestige television that comes out on streamers. I'm just thinking it is about to be a little different. That's going to affect the superhero content stuff that we get out as well.

I mean, my thing is like we're all watching House of the Dragon, right? So anybody like tuning into HBO at 6 o'clock, like the HBO channel? No. 6 o'clock, right? No, everybody's. Yeah, but HBO is still programmed us where on Sunday. The fact that there wasn't anything coming out on HBO, Sundays that people give a fuck about for months.

And now we have something where it's like that's a feeling. People still are just like, oh Sunday night. 7 p.m. I'm lost set. And I think if they can make a comic book show that people do that for, I got, I tip my hat off to Lindel off James Gunn. Yeah, I don't think anything has that same juice as the 6 p.m. 9 p.m. Like succession, Game of Thrones, big little lies.

like when 6 p.m. on Sunday's HBO is maybe the last TV thing we have as a society. All right, that's a wrap. I had a great joke that didn't make the podcast. All right, brother. I have to take it out. All right, man. Every Tuesday and Thursday, House of R will deep dive into the House of the Dragon and the Ackleck. Every Monday and Thursday, May Night Boys will be their reaction to stuff.

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Ackleit has a little bit of life and a lot of soul. And if you send that six-figure check, you might see a lot of Midnight Boys Hole. I noticed that it, the actual clip of, by the way, my mother listened to it. She has. Oh, my God. Oh, all right. Well, are we? Why would we not?

Bring the back. Now, let's not stuff. No, let's do it. My mother listened to her. She had absolutely no problem with the sentiment. I think she did have slight problems with me offering her up. We had to have a conversation about that. Sure.

Yeah. I can imagine. Is she's fully on board with. And she also asked, well, are there any? Because she says the guy has to be over 35. She did later around. So you're out. Yeah.

Give him my best shot. Well, you said you gave my mom her best shot? Oh, man. Yikes. Joe. Got to move on. See what I'm saying? Jomey.

But we are going to, we are going to, over the summer and into the year. We are going to, like, you know, my mom's dating, but we have to keep our eyes out for any people that might be into my mother. So minimum age, 35.

So, like, what's the Tinder range on the, on the app? So it's 35. I'm the middle of Tinder, so what are they doing, 10? Well, like, you select your age range

from like 35, obviously, for your mom, and then what would be the maximum age? I mean, I think it could be decrepit. I would the fucking, Cripkeeper. All right.

Is your mom? Is she dating the entire crayon box? That's going to be tough. Crazy way to put it. But maybe. I don't know. I don't know if I couldn't see the white thing.

That's fair? Yeah, she was like, she stabbed a white boy with a protractor in the seventh grade. Wow. Because he called her the N-word. I don't think she's ever gotten over it. I mean, she's nice to white people, but like she might, she might flash out and stab him with the protractor. So I don't know about that.

You feel uncomfortable. You'll meet her. She's nice. It's a very nice.