The Ringer-Verse - ‘The Boys’ Season 4, Episode 6 and ‘The Acolyte’ Episode 6 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: July 4, 2024

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Jemmy, explain it. The dinner on. You've got questions. He's got answers. We are. Old Man, Van. He of the receding. I don't know if it's coming back.

Caroline. Are you giving up on it now? No place to church. We are. Cote, baby Chuck, the 24-carric closer, a.k.a. The brunch hiding together. We are known as. the midnight boys.

Also with us today, the midnight collective, Alea Zanaris, she has renounced her nickname. She doesn't like in Paris. She doesn't like... It wasn't the greatest nickname. It's funny. We can do better.

We can do better. You know what the funny thing is? The funny thing is, is like, it's a we can do better when that's not really the burden. The collective we, sure. The burden has been on me for the nicknames. And it's a lot of things.

they come in a very, like, organic way. Sure. You can't rush art. I get it. Yeah, yeah. And also, we got the watcher, Arjuna Ronganga Pal. Now, that's a good nickname because it could go in a lot of different ways. What do you mean by that?

So it could be like he's the watcher as far as he watches over the podcast. Right. Or you walk past somebody's house and they got their blinds open. You know, he's... All right. You asked that. Which, Arjuna, you haven't learned. learned yet. And you guys don't get to see Arjuna a lot, but if you saw him, you'll be like,

that's the type of motherfucker that's capable of that. Oh, right. Don't do that. Where's the Coco captain? It's a joke. Oh, where is the Cocoa County? So he's on vacation. I don't know where. So I think we should probably figure out where. Hershey, Pennsylvania. Yeah, that's where he is. Went to the origins. He went back to the origins. That should be, you know what we should get. We should all get get superhero names at some point, too. We could all come up with those together. Because think about if Kerm, if his a hero and his superpower is chocolate. Right.

Just blasting fucking chocolate. He goes like chocolate. He's got the Midas touch, but it's chocolate. Oh, it feels like sideboxed with the visors. He's like all different types of chocolate. He's like rogue. He can't touch, he can't love because everything he touches turns to chocolate. He goes to Africa and the chocolate

gets darker and then he touches Steve and his milk chocolate. That's true. Wouldn't it be white chocolate? All right, gentlemen, follow us on socials, Instagram, Facebook, save Jomi's job, TikTok as well. Jomi, what you got? Hey, they're loving our clip on Reneer are being racist. They're not acting. Hey, shot.

It's not like it was a fucking joke. Oh. Hey, man, we don't stop fucking with y'all, bro. It's not like it was a joke. Damn, they were like, this is why we don't let niggas talk about them. What about that is going on? It's not like we were playing. I didn't even see it.

Me and Charles were doing the prestige podcast. The Bear, we're having a great time. Yeah, we're having a great time. We love potting with Charles. I wait, but I warned you, I was just like, nah, bro. It's pretty bad. How many comments are we at? Oh, man, it's crazy.

Like, on TikTok is really bad because they're like, man, this is why you don't let niggas talk about nothing, bro. Because they always make. And it's like, but it's the black people that are asking. We were joking. It's what happens is, and this is, you know, part of the growing pains. I'm saying. We're on video now. We're exposing our social people. A lot of new people, not really know

their ride. The Ring ofverse fans? Ah, they rocking with it. They're like, ah, man. They're the men. People who just seen us at the first time scrolling across their feet, they're like, what are these niggas talking about? Yeah, I tell you guys, we don't think she's racist. We were just playing. I swear.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't talk to me. Next Monday, I'm doubling down. There was a point where she did ask somebody to essentially be a nanny to her children, but, like, that's cool. It's different. It's an important job. It's an important job.

It's an important job. I won't speak for Charles. It was, we were playing around. Just, God, damn. People are, I'm disappointed in this take. But shit the fuck up. We're now on YouTube. You can watch every Midnight Boys House of All

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Steve, gift announcement? Yes. So these are from my mom. Oh. Shout to Marianne. So she had noticed that everybody has... Young woman. Yes, my mom.

She was young. Watch it. Oh, right. Can we like Steve? Did you? She was noticing that everybody had different drinking apparatuses. It was looking like a bit of a chaotic table. So he has made custom water bottles.

Oh, wow. For all of us. For me? For all of the Midnight Boys. Oh. Oh, come on. Yo, look at this. Here's a camera.

Shut up. Oh, wow. As well as for the rest of the crew. For the collection. Wow. For the crew here. Thank you, Steve's mom. This is awesome.

Thank you. Oh, man. Mrs. Ms. Alman? I won't say her last name, but it's Marian. Mary Ann. Marion is a first name. I'm not calling your mom by the first name.

Yeah, my parents are separated. So, yeah. Thank you, Steve's mom. I want to go up for a spot like that. Hey, thank you, Miss Marianne. I don't call. I am not calling your mom by her first name. I'm not doing that.

Okay. Thank you. That's very serious. Miss Marianne is really sweet. Thank you. I don't look madame. Very sweet. I will say something else.

Mama, you've done nothing for us. To my mom. Oh, don't say that. Now you're calling upon your mom. The fact that she didn't... Ms. Marianne is up one on the rest of the moms. Right. I'm sorry.

Mrs. Lathen didn't ask us to scrub the fucking YouTube video where you said Jomey could have his way with her. So I think it's tied. She had thoughts on it that were surprising. Wow. All right. So, man, the boys, huh?

Was she the one who was asking? He's like, 15-inch warrior. She was like, thanks mom My mother always knows how to Turn the joke around and take it too far So I can't imagine When she when she heard the joke She was like

Please please save me Well how experienced this he Oh And I was like stop playing mama She was like is he a nice man Do you think he would be gentle? And so then I had to stop See now you did this to yourself

Jomi was you're your mother's son and it comes back around. So remember in the boys, man, when Huey was up there. You know what? Hey, guys, look, before I get into program reminders, which we've done like a whole show before that. So before I get into program reminders, this is, we have to work on Jomey in terms of,

we have to make, we have to make sex positive Jomey. For the rest, Jomey, we got, for the rest of this year, we got sex positive Jomey has to happen. So I don't know if we're going to be. I have some ideas. We might bring somebody in.

We might bring in a sex counselor lady. A sex worker. Yeah, we might bring somebody in to have a sex positive joamy discussion. Because I know some people. I know Shandrum. I know, y'all know Shand Booty, but she does the sex positive pot. It's Booty B-O-D-Y. Oh, okay.

Tell me, Morgan, all of these people I've interviewed before, we might have to have, because we want to be responsible here on the Midnight Boys The way that we talk about. This is Midnight Boys after midnight. This is Midnight boys after midnight. After midnight. We might give you guys an extra episode where we just talk about sex positivity

and getting to hear somebody help. You help Red Jomey of some of his hangups. Yeah. You know what I mean? Jomey, do you, how do you feel about this plan? Man, let's get to the episode. Why not? Maybe some.

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No. We're starting off with the boys. I wish we were starting off with the accolade. We're starting off with the boys. We have to put you in the note. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is the midnight manifest. All right.

This is your midnight manifest for the boys' dirty business directed by Karen Gaviola, written by Aslam Richardson. Mother's Milk, Huey Starlight, and Kimiko infiltrate an alt-right cocktail party where a homelander is supposed to pitch his take over the world scheme to a group of politicians. Hewie disguises himself as Webweaver, a drug addict and potential sidekick replacement for Tech Knight.

Inevitably, the plan goes awry when Huey is trapped in Tech Knight's sex dungeon. The remaining boys break into the mansion to save Huey, but mothers milk has a panic attack. After shooting, Sister Sage in the head, with Sage out of commission, Homelander fumbles his pitch and has to be bailed out by Newman, eventually Starlight and Kimiko save Huey but learning the process from Tech Knight that Homelander and Sage plan to use his prisons as internment camps. By the end of the episode, all of the boys are traumatized. Hewie finally breaks down over his dad's death.

Frenchie refuses to see Kimmico in prison, and the doctor tells him mother's milk he has to quit his job, or he is going to suffer a heart attack. Meanwhile, it's finally confirmed that Shaw is in Butcher's Head. And if Newman's partner makes a super virus, powerful enough to kill a homelander, it would become airborne and start a genocide of zooms. And that has been your very, very long midnight manifest for the boys.

Okay. Um, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. Uh, what did you think? I don't think this show has the range for what it's trying to accomplish this season. Give it to me. I'm getting to a point where I think more art has been ruined in the last decade trying to come to terms with the rise of the alt-right, far-right movement. And I just think that this show, I don't know if it knows what it wants to say about the far-right,

what it wants to say about the rise of totalitarianism, besides it being bad. And this episode to me just seemed like just far too late. There were just jokes about AOC and the trans community and Black Lives Matter. And I wasn't upset because those jokes were offensive. I was upset because those jokes were lazy. It just kind of felt like we are at a point, if I'm being 100% honest and sincere with the audience, where we have a genocide enabler on one side and we have the fucking dumbest Hitler on the other side, both vying for the presidency.

And to me, they are far more evil and stupid than homelander could ever be. Oh, Jesus Christ. And I just think that the show does not know how to do what it's done for seasons when our current reality is far more stupid, far more violent, far more craven than anything that this show could imagine. And I just, it just, this was the episode where I was like, I just feel like this was not, this is not what this show is best suited to do. So you feel like if we were living in a different political reality, then the show would hit different.

Yeah, and I mean, I, like, that's a hell of a standard for the, for the showrunners and for the creators behind the show to navigate. No, it's not that, I think more specifically what I'm saying is, even earlier in the season, I use the succession cop. I would say even for succession, some of the. weakest moments in the series to me was when they were trying to come to terms with what was happening in the country in terms of like the far right and all this stuff. But I think what Succession did very amazingly is that shows that honestly for most of these people, there is no,

there is no politics. They don't believe in anything. There's no far right, alt-right, just conservatives. There's no, there's no logic to it anymore. So it's like, but, TV shows need a logic. Characters need to do A, B, C. So in this, the boy specifically, they were using a lot of shorthand for how these people talk, and it just felt cliche.

Instead of these feeling like characters that I could, like, truly hate and despise them, just like, these are cardboard cutouts of shit that I've been seeing for the last eight years. And I'm like, it just felt too late. And I don't know if the show totally has a handle on what is it, what's trying to say about this American. So let's stay here for a second.

So there are two ways to interpret that criticism, which I think is a fair criticism. One way is that they don't have the bandwidth to do it, or they don't have the, I want to say, talent or maybe the show doesn't have the depth to do it, right? Another way is to say that they're not directly trying to do that. They're lampooning it.

So they're rapping their show, which is full of absurdity, full of gross jokes. It's essentially a dick and fart joke show about superheroes and how bad they are. And they're lampooning some of the more lampoonable elements of our society and that it's not a deep, deep criticism of them.

Because succession and a show like succession has to be a deep criticism of some of the structures that we lean on because those structures create the drama. Those structures create the drama. And succession capitalism creates the drama, the rise of tech bro, billionaire oligarchism, tech fascism. That creates the drama.

That's the driving force of what they're up against. They're trying to create, like, maintain their little family dynasty in the face of all those things. A lot of the stuff that we're talking about in the boys, it's really on the periphery. It affects the characters almost at their edges. It's more about Huey's dad and the trauma. It's more about Homelander trying to kill. These things are touching Homelander,

and he's having like a deliance with them. But I wouldn't say that they necessarily have to be deeply, deeply interrogated because they're not the foundation or the concrete that weighs the showdown. But I think for this season, though, this to me does feel like the insurrection season. It does seem like the season where what does Homeland want. Homelander, like, I think even Kripke has

talked about it. It seems like, to me it seems like the same show set in that world. Yes. But it doesn't seem like they're in any way, in any way, actually examining that. But to me, I'm like the Trump allegories in this season are so overt, even in the last episode, when basically Homelander is pitching his view on how the soups are going to take over. Even some of the jokes in this episode about like the prison industrial complex and going to this

alt-right cocktail party and abortion, all this stuff. To your point, I don't- All that stuff is very heavy-handed. It's all very, very heavy-handed. And it's like if this whole season is, if the thing that Homelanders is basically trying to do is become a superpower Trump, I'm like, I have to kind of take it as like, all right, this is kind of the backbone of the season. And it just doesn't, it's not working for me. second, Steve. So actually, go ahead, Steve.

Well, I feel like that that's probably, I think, the biggest kind of criticism that we might be falling into for the majority of this season, where it's like, all right, this season is starting to feel a little long in the tooth because we might be running out of runway for actual character development and moments for things that this show is actually very good at to do. And instead, the wheel spinning happens when we're like, all right, well, let's just take the piss out of the prison industrial complex. Let's make fun of Trump and their ridiculous views on abortion. Yeah, but you guys are talking about essentially lines in the show. There's nothing. And those are the trappings of- But if this entire episode was about, by the way, I wasn't like super high on this episode,

but if this entire episode was about taking apart Tech Nights prison industrial complex, that would be a different thing, but it's not about that. No. It's like he is, it's one aspect of his character that kind of makes him a shit-hapes. Exactly. And I'm not holding that show to the creative standard of wanting to, like, deconstruct all of those very complex social things via jokes or comedy through this show. Like that show, it's not what the show has been about and it's not what it needs to be about now.

But it seems to be a bit more distracted by doing that more than pushing the plot forward when it comes to this episode. I just think it's not funny anymore because it's too real because people actually talk like that. actually, like, have those ideals. It's not really, like, oh, man. Like, I said this to, like, a friend earlier, you're, like, after episode, um, it was episode two where they have, like, the riot and things go down. Like, this entire thing, like, it's funny when it's, like, a joke, but it's not.

So the abortion jokes are less funny after Roe actually gets destroyed. And here's something, our current world seems worse than the fictional world. So I get what you're saying about their lampooning this, but- I fuck you. I fuck with you. I fuck you. I fuck with you. Like, I fuck with you.

But I still take the world with no homelander, man. I don't know. No, no. Yeah. I'm pretty grateful we don't have homelanding. I don't know. But it's closer to one-to-one than you would hope so. I understand what you guys are saying.

This is what I will say. So a lot of this has to do with the mechanism that they're using to lampoing these characters. Sure. We'll get into a deeper conversation of the episode after we put a pin in this conversation. So if you take Techn Knight, right, who's our Batman? Right guy. And That's your man? You was fuck with him.

He's funny to me. He's, oh, oh, let's take here. What part was funny? You like Tech Man. Okay, no, I'm gonna. How much money have you donated to Blackhards Matters, see that? Like when I've been chained up and been made to? Yeah, you like Tech Man. No, no.

He was very funny in GenVee. I loved him in Jenvi. He was funny in Genv. He was funny in Jimv. Yeah. So I thought about like, And this is kind of the thing that the show used to do perfectly, and it's a little bit more clunkier done this season. So I remember when Batman Begins came out, right? And obviously, you know, the Wayne family and the Waynes, they're super good people.

Like, there was never like a bad Wayne, I guess. Yeah. A fucking lineage of super great. Yeah. So he does that lot. And then, like, they're in the Batcave. And he's like, oh. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Your great grandfather used to use these to transport slaves on the Underground Railroad. And we're like, I'm like, come on, man. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, like, I'm like, all right, bro, we get it. Well, to be fair, if you read a comic and you was just like, your great grandpappy, he was at the Million Man March, Mr. Wayne, you would be like. I mean, honestly, at the time, at the time, I'm like, whatever. And, you know, obviously we could make an argument about, like, how much of the Wayne family's wealth could actually be used if they just gave the money.

Or they just paid, like, a 60% margin of tax or whatever. Like, we could, we could argue about that. But in this episode, they're lampooning Tech Knight. And this is why I'm saying the show is thinking to lampoon those things and not going directly at them. They're subverting the Batman character by saying that Tech Knight presents as a huge. hero, but actually his ancestors were slave catchers. He was talking crazy that he trained.

And whereas, and whereas, and you can argue that Batman is a ridiculously good ally to the prison industrial complex. Oh, yeah, yes. Because he keeps Arkham with fresh people, then break out and puts them back and put some back. Yeah. Cycle, yeah. So by subverting the Batman character,

they use the perverted version of the real life thing and it just so happens that the perverted version of these real life's things are people who have these politics in real life. So I don't know if it's a... That's why I said. I don't know if it's a direct... Direct criticism as much as it is,

hey, we make bad superheroes. In our opinion, this is how and why the superheroes would be bad if they were real. But was it funny and was it interesting enough for this... Not worth.

Because we're at a point... And that's the thing that I'm saying. Yeah. Like, I'm saying that the ambition of the show not to be hyper-perbose, which is what I do, but the ambition of the show and how they're choosing to lampoon the characters

is not as powerless as the fact that it's old hat now. You know what I mean? That's what I would say. Not that their ideas are too big, is that their ideas are too old. Well, and also we have to, this season, obviously, I think,

got impacted by the strike, and it's coming out later, but I do still feel like in a penultimate season which I feel like should kind of be forward momentum. I want to see the characters.

I want to see Homelander. I want to see what they're dealing with. How many episodes do we have left to? Two more. Two more. I kind of feel like nothing has really happened this season in terms of like moving the plot forward.

It seems like we've kind of been in this nebulous zone of just kind of moving the pieces around until we can get to the finals. I feel like the characters have, they keep learning stuff about themselves, you know, every couple episodes or so. And I think this one was pretty good for, like, Huey, for example, right?

His dad dies, episode before, this episode, like they start with the little, their dreading's ashes across the Made of Manhattan tour. And he goes through that whole ordeal with Tech Night, which I'm sure we'll talk about later. At the end, he's like, that sucked. My dad died. Like, he's finally being in.

able to deal with it. Mother's Milk. We thought he was having a heart attack. Really, it's just a panic attack. Like, you can't keep doing this. Right. I feel like at the end of the season, there's got to be reckoning like,

yo, can we do this anymore? Right. But that's been every season now. Nah, but I mean, I guess. But, I mean, again, with the next season being the last season, right, you got to look at the characters and go, all right, like, are we actually going to,

hey, guys, good job. We tried our best. It's time to go. I'm from the sunset. You know what I mean? Let the superheroes have their day. Over on the Prestige TV podcast network. See, now when I shill, it's a problem, but when y'all shill, it's a...

I'm not shilling. It's a shilling. This is a shilling. So, okay, tell me, what do you shill for? I show for, for me and the Ring ofverse social channels which you should be following right now. Okay, so no one cares about you doing the social channel stuff. That's not what we care about. No one cares about that.

What we care about is you going... Hey, Anthony Star, would you please retweet us? That's not what I do. Star Wars just replied to us. Hey, thanks so much. I do programming reminders. I remind people. Like, part of this is promotion.

But for you, it seems like you'd be acting like a company man or something like that. For me, I'm telling people to listen to me and Charles. Go over to prestige. You know what I mean? Company man. Yeah. I'll just shut up. But look, it's what I'll say, it's like, all right.

we're doing the boys over on prestige oh you mean the bear the bear excuse me the bear is over on prestige and we've talked about this it seems like these shows are kind of suffering from the same thing in the seasons it seems like the fourth season of the bear is

kind of kind of crumbling under the weight of the expectations of the show and what they've done before and it almost seems like the boys is doing the same thing and they're both similar as similar points where it's like

it's most likely the boys it's final season. I think the bear is on its final season. And they're getting to this point where it's just like, how do we move the plot forward, but still have enough left in the tank for our final season? Yeah, it seems like they're treading water a little bit. Like, this show is playing the hits. Homelander legitimately gets squirted in the face with milk by Firecracker in this show, which takes us back to how we first met the character.

Boy, how much do you think Lazalanzo got for that interaction with Webb Weaver? I got to say something, man. I hope you got paid, man I want to call last Can we try to call Lazz again? Sure What are you going to ask Lazzb? I just want to ask Lasselahs something real quick

Jesus Christ I want to ask I don't think I've ever been more afraid of you making a phone call I want to see if Lassb might know not to pick up the phone for me at this point honestly smart I was just decided if I was going to comment

We just need Lazzalazzo's official comment on the web we've received in this episode. All right. So I have shot a lot of disgusting things that you know on our show. That's the only scene in my entire career, Avatar, Fast and Furious. Miracle at St. Anna. Whatever film I've ever done or TV show, that's the only scene that I've broken character and screamed.

Out of protection to the other actor, I'm not going to tell you what happened during the scene that made me break character and literally scream in utter fear and apologize profusely to that man literally for like an hour straight. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

Let me ask you a more serious question. Let me ask you a more serious question. Mother's Milk, the character. Where do you feel like he is right now in his role with the boys? We saw he had the panic attack. The character seems like he's going through a lot. Like, where is he right now in his arc as the leader of the boys on the show?

Where is Mother's Milk? Season 4 is all about Mother's Milk spiraling. He's spiraling downward. Season's one through three, it's easy to be number two in charge. Like, he can always go home and leave work behind, even for a guy that struggles with mental issues. and mental health issues. But as number one, he's literally on 24-7.

It affects his diet. It affects his weight. It affects everything that haunts the leader. Like, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Everything is fucked up. Hold on for a second. So real quick, there's been some talk about how you've leaned out for this season. Are you saying that that was a choice for the character to kind of show that he's

going through it mentally a little bit more? Oh, 100%. This was planned months before we started season four, months before. Like, literally, we met in the summer. We went back in September. Primki and I met in like May, and we were talking about his journey. And how do we shock and all the crowd, you know,

now that he takes over. And it was actually my idea. Hmm. You know, it was like, well, Let's give them to say. And honestly, the funny thing is that I'm now the size that I've always been naturally my entire career. But, you know, I put on weight for Mother's Milk. You buffed up, yeah.

I buffed up because I wanted to look like the comic. But now that we're reaching, you know, a critical point in the storytelling and Mother's Milk gets promoted, I had to show what's the downside of getting promoted. You know, it can't be all like, oh, now he's the leader, life is good. Now we got to show he's the leader. Shit is worse. So the question is, did you lose, did you use OZMPIC or Ogympic? Oh, right, all right.

You use Long Island. Stop it now. That's crazy. That's all that. But you have no idea how many times I've been accused and asked, both in earnest and just told, He's got on Zephyr. He's on their center shit. Has it bothered you at all? Like, the fact that the people,

in this last question, I know I just bumrushed with this, has it bothered you at all the fact that people are like, oh my God, that they recast M-M? Did they, like, whatever? Okay. No, not at all. What bothers me is like, I didn't know I was that ugly without a beer.

Oh, man. Oh, man. It's like, motherfucker's like, yo, you need me. You need to grow that beard back, son. What happened? You know what's crazy? You know what's funny about that?

This is one of the for the last 20 or 25 years, one of the go-to dudes for the ladies. Like, oh, I love, like, yeah. So being that they got used to the beard, you ain't never heard that kind of situation before, like, Lazz Alonzo. Because he's been, he's Mr. Sexy man. He's been Mr. Sexy. My mother loves some Lazzal.

Alonzo, man. I'll be the first swimming in. I've enjoyed. And now I'm feeling the other side of it. All right, brother. I'll hit you later, man. Appreciate you. All right, my brother.

All right, peace. Please, fine. Speaking of the Lazalanzo Webweaver scene, is it harder for this show to keep surprising us with the more gross out shit? Because, like, the web weaver shit is some of the grossest shit I've ever seen on the boys. That's tough. But the minute he opened the door and saw, and I saw the webs, I'm like, this white boy about to shoot webs out of his ass.

Like, I didn't know. Really? No. I'm like, this is easily what they'll do. Like, what I didn't see coming was the Zendaya safe word. That was. Look, so let me say something real quick. So the boys does seem like it's spinning his wheels right a little bit.

But, like, there are still times in this episode that I really laughed. Like I actually laughed when he said fart on the cake That was no Honestly I actually laughed Nah Also I've We do we all probably watch different types of videos

So you guys don't know Yeah no we definitely We definitely do Uh Cake videos Cake videos? You know what honestly We're not king shaming

We're because this is a sex positive joving Harder Sex positive Joe me Snapping though Snapping videos is a thing So you know what I did laugh at Yo with Firecracker I was like, I get it.

I get it. We've already seen this before, but that was, because he was like, I'm not sexually attracted. But you know what the funniest thing in the episode was, though? Seriously. I know it seems like we turned positive right after we talked to last, but the funniest thing in the show actually was something new about the show. The funniest thing in the show was when Sister Sage got shot in the head.

Oh my God, she's so funny. Like when she got shot in the head and she turned lobotomized real quick and they kept trying to go back to her, but she was gone. That was the funniest part. When she has that look with her and she's like, uh-huh. That was the fun. And that's a new thing about a new character. I love that. She's so funny when she turns that part of her character out of here.

You don't like such a stage? I don't like the kid. She's great. She got the cure to cancer, man. She could solve the climate crisis. now she won't. Nah, because here's the thing, too. I'm going to be real.

Sister Sage, they started talking about, oh, we just throw a motherfuckers in prison. I'm like, all right, sister Sage, like, out of here. I don't like it. That's fair.

It's not. Also, this has been something where I'm like, I think this is a dumb conversation that people are having, but I wanted to bring it to y'all to see your opinion. Okay.

People are mad as Starlight. They feel like the writers are, underserving her because she never gets to use her powers anymore. I have not, that has not bothered me, but I keep seeing people be like, why Starlighty Powered? Why can't she ever use her powers? Why can't she fight anymore?

I'm like, that's part of her. Sure, it is getting to a point where we're like, when I say that we need her to do something, it's not like we need her to use her powers, but there needs to be some forward momentum. The show doesn't know what they want to do with it. And that's what's annoying me, where I'm like, all right, she just doesn't have.

The last time she used her powers, she beat up Firecracker on live TV. Clearly like a mental block there or something. But like we're not, I'm not connecting with that at all. No, you know what the thing is? So a couple of things. Number one, I really do feel like the limits and the upper limits of her power are kind of undefined. So you don't know how strong she is or whatever. But also, you know, I do kind of feel like some of the things that happen in these shows and movies,

they're so trite and we're so used to them. I don't know why they're still annoyed. They nerfed her because it's more difficult to write this show if she can show out every time they have a situation. That's it. That's the reason. Yeah. There's, like, they, for the same reason that Banner was nerfed in the last four Avengers type.

He wasn't in one of them. Right. If he's on either team in Civil War, it's a fucking rap, right? He wasn't in that one. They nerfed him in Infinity War. They almost exactly the same. same way. He couldn't get the Hulk to come out. Right. Got to find a way to

nerve him. Right. The Rock, same thing. And then he had Tommy John's surgery in Avengers. Johnny's Tommy John. Okay. So why did they do it to the Hulk? Because guys, the Hulk is a ridiculously powerful character. And they

still nerfed in the MCU, by the way. Oh, yeah. Wait. But a ridiculously powerful character. And if you have them, some of those fights just aren't fights if you have Hulk and Thor. And And if you have Scarlet Witch, too, you got to nerve her too, give her all kinds of fucking problems and shit like that. So that's the reason why they're doing this with Starlight is because if the boys have too many soups, they're not the little engines that could anymore. And that's the reason.

And that's the kind of the thing, either the show has you enough to accomplish that or it doesn't. Yeah, I would just like to say I was right last week. Alleyer wrote a clip, the butcher, the scene at the end with butcher, right? By the way, Jeffrey D. Morgan is not real. There's no way in hell that guy is actually there. Oh, you think he's in Butcher's head? Absolutely. Remember when I said that Butcher's homie wasn't real?

Wasn't real. Here's the thing about Jeremy, too. You know what, Jeremy, we got a lot of work to do on you. Number one, that is something that every single YouTuber. Everybody knew. Everybody knew. Mani Jacinto's the bad guy. Oh, no, he's not real.

Hey, can we talk about that real quick? I'm going to throw something out there and just let you guys talk. Are we ruining our superhero content by the constant everyday minute-to-minute discussion of it, which is a weird thing to ask on the podcast that is based on that. I wouldn't say so. But when that happened, it was so expected. And just like Managing Cento, when that happened, it was so expected that it didn't mean anything narratively, almost. I mean, these are conversations we used to have at the water cooler, right?

Like, people come in and we talk about like, oh, man, what's this? What's that? I think if we're going to actually talk about it, it's, you know, people who, like, read the comics, who've read the books, like, all this stuff who have, like, you know, narrative expectations of how this story's supposed to go. And so you start throwing theories and eventually you're going to get a lot of them right on the dot. And to be honest with you, with the Mani-Sental thing, with this thing, super telegraphed. It's not a secret. It wasn't hard. It wasn't like they didn't survey any expectations.

This was on the money. They did. They hit the checklist of stuff. You're supposed to. All right, cool. He's supposed to talk to him by himself. The guy's supposed to look over and we're supposed to assume that he's looking at him. But he's not there.

Like they're hitting benchmarks that we've already seen before. So it's not new. That's ultimately what it is. I mean, also just because I don't watch this content. I never did because I do find it to be the least interesting. to be like, all right, what are the predictions? What are the Easter eggs? What are this?

Because I'm just like, narratively, that's not what I care about. I don't care about, you know, if this motherfucker is, like, real or not. I'm just like, emotionally does it hit. Same thing with Mani Gizento. I'm like, I don't care that he was this Sith Lord. That's not the most interesting part.

I'm just like, how cool is he? How is he acting? And it's just like, I am getting to a point where I'm like, these shows aren't lost. It's not fucking severance. It's not a mystery box of the thing. It's not a mystery box. I mean, Ackley's trying.

Can you? An essential question, Charles. Yes. Did you just say that you don't care about the lore? I don't care about what? The lore. You don't watch these shows. The lore?

You just said you don't care about the lore. You don't care about the Easter eggs. You don't care about the Easter eggs. You don't care about the Sith. You don't. It's the least interesting part of all this shit to me. I'm going to be honest, my hot take. Steve.

What? Let me get it off. Get it off. I think Canon. Is there anything sharp around here? What? Charles is saying he doesn't care about the Lord. Go ahead. Get it off.

I think canon, like an allegiance to canon, an allegiance to history, allegiance to all this shit makes for bad art. I don't care about the history of the Sith and the Did-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D. Tell me a good Star Wars story. That's it. Tell me, like, the boys, I don't care about the D-D-D-D-D-D-D-A. Just tell me a good story. I think that I think that gets perverted too much a little bit in, like, discourse, but, like, sure.

Like, it's like, I don't, here's the thing. Some of the best superhero movies diverge from canon, diverge from lore. Like, everybody's always mad about, does this fit into the Star Wars that I write in the... Who cares, motherfucker? They're wizards with laser swords. I think it's difficult, though,

when you have, like, an established timeline and stuff, like, has to happen. I do understand, like, you know, if you're just talking about the minutiaa and, you know, how lightsabers and the fours and things like that. But, like, when it comes down on, like, hey, man, the Skywalker stuff has to happen

at this point in time, so they got to, like, get some stuff off either earlier or later. That's why all the Faloni stuff is in between what... And that's why a lot of it's bad. Here's the thing. George Lucas is the first motherfucker

to be like, they're like, yo, you did this in the original Star Wars and it doesn't make sense. He's like, who cares? He's like, who cares? William Shatner at the convention.

I don't hate it, but like, yeah, but then you... I don't know, man. It's kind of, it's a slippery slope when you start like ignoring like entire movies and then like what is right, especially when you have like

a timeline of stuff. All of comic book history, Marvel in DC, is built on getting to a point where they're like, this game and this game, they're just like, you know what?

We're rebooting all this shit. Because it doesn't matter. None of this matters. I don't, you know, I actually like to take, let me tell you the way I look at it. I think everything has lore.

I think the only reason why you come back to anything is because of the lore that a show creates. Like, after a while, Seinfeld had lore. Yep. Right.

It did. After a while, Seinfeld had lore. There was an understanding of the background and the characters and how they acted and you went there

for that. If one time you went to Seinfeld and Kramer just walked through the door without busting through the door, calling somebody

the M word, you would wonder why he did that. Right. If Kramer just walked through the door, hey, Jerry, hey, you'd be like,

what's wrong with Cosmo? And that would be in the The reason why that would be, that question would exist because there is a lore and a consistency to the story of Seinfeld that you're tuning in to watch. Now, there is a point in all of this stuff where you can drench people in that. Yeah. Where you can rest on that to a degree that then frees you of doing anything fresh and doing anything new and doing anything that's cutting edge. Right.

The question is, what is the? the point that you get to with that. How, when have you gone too far that is like you're just resting on your, I mean, Dexter? After a while, these shows jump the shark because not so much Dexter. I just think about the point that Dexter got that. But the Fons is the coolest guy in the world. And then he actually jumps over sharks on skis. And then we're like, okay, you're giving us too much fucking Fons now.

Like now you're leaning too much into it. Now the character and the story of the Fons is overtaking like, anything that would be told on Happy Days. And so I think that's the thing is, I think it has to matter, right? Like the rules of the Star Wars world, the rules of the world in the Matrix, the rules of the world in the boys or in Superman or whatever, it has to matter. It has to matter that Clark loves Lewis Lane. It has to matter that he's allergic to Cryptonite.

But that's not lord to me as much as like that's character and that's history. Well, the character, that's my point. History is the Lord. The character, the history, who the character is, where the character comes from. I remember Mick G had a script, Superman Flyby, and the script leaked back in the day when we were still running around like we were fucking CIA agents trying to get any information on these movies. And in the movie, at the end of the movie, it was either Mick G script or somebody else. Lex Luthor like levitates up and he flies away. Like it turned out that Lex Lutz Luther was kryptonian or some shit like that.

would have been hilarious. You know what I'm saying? I would have loved to see that. It turned out that Les Luther was kryptonian, like Superman crashed and then Lex Luthor. And it was like, you can't do that. I don't give a fuck how good the story is. Like, you can't do that. Lex Luthor is a human being.

And that is a essential part of his character. If you change it, you change everything. And the movie could have been the best fucking Superman ever. I'm going to walk away being like, that's not my Superman. I mean, but to be there, if we look at the original. Iron Man, I remember a bunch of salty motherfugs being like, that's not really how Iron Man is in the comics. And I was like,

yo, Iron Man don't got any type of personality in the comics. I'm like, Robert Downey Jr. Actually did something that, like, I think fundamentally kind of broke away from a lot of lore. And now when we look at Iron Man, we're just like, if you read the comics, he's way closer to Robert Downey Jr. now. And I think it's better for

the character because sometimes these characters are all malleable. It's like Batman is a goofy motherfucker in the 60s. And, And then he's dark and gritty in the 80s and 90s. And it's just you play with them because I'm like, these characters, you can mess them up. That's why when people got mad at Luke in The Last Jedi being all cranky, I'm just like, Luke can be whatever you want. He can.

He can. He can. He can. Here's a thing. There was Luke in the original trilogy. There's Luke in the expanding universe. Now there's Luke in the sequel. It's just like every generation gets whatever Luke that they want.

you mess him up, you put him back in the box, and I guarantee you in 20 years, like, we're recasting Luke, and somebody gets a new Luke skywalk. So this is what I'll say. Okay, number one, the portrayal of a character from a personality standpoint, we'll get back to the boys in a second and then move on to Star Wars.

But I think it's interesting to talk about this when we're talking about whether or not the boys and what it is is working anyway. I know you guys sometimes don't like the deviations, but you're here for the midnight boys. Poo-poo-poo! you. Portraying a character in a different way is one thing, right?

You give a writer a pencil, and Batman is a brooding, whatever. You give her a writer, another pencil, and Batman is... Adam West, happy. Adam West. He's fucking Barbara Gordon. Hilarious. Okay? It's not that funny.

Not that funny. It's... I don't think it's... Oh, I will say, bro, when I read that pair, I was like, damn. This is just... Man, it's nice. Freaky ass. Okay.

And Iron Man also has, if I'm being honest with you, and this is kind of a cop-out, but it matters, has a lawyer that we really don't care about. Yes. So you're not going to really complain that much unless you're just really trying to be... The thing about Luke, and me and Joe still have to do this podcast, the thing about Luke is this.

Okay. I'm going to say this, and I'm sorry to the last Jedi heads out there. the entire galaxy is built around the fact that Luke Skywalker the entire arc will not let his friends fight by themselves

it's the whole thing it's like if literally it's like if Batman which the reason why the Zach Snyder thing was so what people didn't believe in Zach Snyder's Batman is because he was just shooting the shit out of people if Batman if somebody's begging for

their life, and Batman just takes a baton, like a battering and slits their throat. Just slits their throat. You're like, wait a minute, man. Okay, this guy's parents died, and all of that stuff happened. He's against guns. Batman just takes out a bunch of guns. Bang, bang, bang, bang, shoot the nigger. Batman.

Air 15. Blah-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, nigga gets some. Like the whole nine, like, it just, you go, is that Batman? Isn't a fundamental part of Batman's character, his true? trauma that he received from watching his parents die, he won't kill, he won't use guns. That is Batman's thing.

He is always going to bring the Joker to Arkham. He could have killed the Joker a long time ago. If that's not intact, the character doesn't work because it's too fundamental. Luke was orphaned by the empire and had a father he didn't know. He built a new family that he would do anything for and nearly sacrifice the galaxy for them. To take that character and then have him throw the lightsaber away and abandon his sister, abandoned his friend, it's too quick a shift. He's going to kill his nephew.

It's not the same guy. And look, the movie worked for a lot of people, and that's fine. It's just not the same guy. It's Superman cracking Zod's neck. It's Superman saying- Oh, all right. It's not, come on, no, it is. No, it's not.

It's the same thing. It's Superman saying, you know what? I'm sick of you, Lex Luthor. You're too much of a problem. I'm going to pick you up by your ankles and throw you into the sun, which he could do at any time. Like, Superman during the injustice thing, when Superman just goes,

when Superman just goes, you know what, you guys cannot be trusted to, like, look after the world. I'll do it. That is a different Superman. That's why, it's not like that guy thought he was the villain, but that is a different Superman. That's not the same Superman.

your Superman can't do that. That's not who he is. And that's not Luke Skywalker. So, but counterpointing, right? If you look at the text of Star Wars, but you look at artistically what Ryan Johnson is trying to do, the Star Wars that we got in the original trilogy, who we were as a nation,

the time we were at, the innocence. The 70s? But what I'm talking about... Crime was at an all-time high and we were still... You know what I'm talking about. Because of the lead. Because of the lead. Because of the lead.

Because of the lead. But when you get to the Last Jedi, you're like, oh, well, think about how the Star Wars fandom has curdled. Think about how literally so much of Luke's journey in that original, in the original trilogy, he's like, I don't want to become like my father. I need to stop my father. And then you get to a point where he's like, oh. I have failed so utterly that I've helped create another version of my father. I'm like, that is more narratively interesting to me than Luke not growing or changing at all

in the time between the original trilogy and the sequel. And I'm like, here, we can nitpick how well Ryan Johnson did or didn't do it. But I'm just like, I'll be honest, if we had Mark Hamill in his same shit that he had a return of the Jedi just running around, be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm the Luke Skywalker. can y'all remember we would be like all right cut it look we got to get back on track when we say that five times a podcast i understand it's not that and i i will be on my own island with this

it's not that last jeddye wasn't good all right it's just not a star wars movie all right and that's okay right that's okay and this gets back to let's bring it back full circle lore and how important it is the question is, I'll ask you guys this, is the lore of the boys betraying itself right now because it's not like this episode was not entertaining. The boys as a show

cannot not be entertaining. They're throwing too much at you. Ashley comes out, they're in a sex dungeon, Robbins over there wearing all red. It's some Pope fiction shit. One of our brothers gets his revenge, chokes out his oppressor, the fuck I'm talking about.

All of that stuff, the show cannot not be entertaining. It's entertaining. Is it captivating right now, though? Are you wondering what's going to happen next? The butcher stuff this episode, which we haven't talked that much about, with him discovering that there's an angel and the devil on his shoulder. Even though we knew, it still felt like it mattered because it feels like Billy has a choice about which side of him he's going to listen to.

And now I'm wondering in episode 8 and 9 or 7 and 8, 7 and 8, which side is going to choose. Ryan's story lost momentum this episode. There was no Rambus. One time. Holander's story lost momentum this episode. The scene with the black noir, maskless, with the deep did nothing. So it kind of seems like maybe the boys,

like I said, is falling under the weight of the lore right now. I mean, but I do think that this is kind of, and we touched upon it on the other episode, I think the boys is suffering not only from success, but it is suffering from the superhero problem where it's like when you have a superhero property that is this successful, that the fans are this rabbit about it,

you have an MCU thing where it's just like now, here's the thing. Tech Knight, you guys have a relationship to Tech Knight because you watch GenVee. I didn't watch GenVe. So when TechNight comes in here, I'm like, who's this motherfucker and why should I care? And I'm just like, the boys didn't used to be that type of show

where it's like they're all like, you don't have to watch GenV, you don't have to watch GenV. And I'm watching them and be like, damn, I'm just like, kind of feels like Gen V is stepping on the boys a little bit in terms of momentum, in terms of what I care about. I'm going to be honest, the boys used to be the show that would make fun of the fact that you got to watch another show

to understand this show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now it's doing the same shit that it was lampooning and it don't work anymore. Yeah. I mean, to get back to the lore question, the problem, I don't say like the problem, but the lore of this show, like, sucks. like the boys comics.

They're bad. They're bad. Not great. Not great, right? And so it's kind of the opposite of the Game of Thrones thing where they have these beautiful books and you go like step by step by step beat for beat. It changed a little something here and there just to make it work in a TV show. You got something great versus

the boys, which is like they've changed pretty much everything. Like nothing is like at this point one for one with the books at this point. So you're kind of freestyle a little bit. And to your point, without that little, that lore thing, the old G, you kind of, you might lose your way a little bit

with the characters and stuff. Okay, two episodes left. The season is, um, give a little mini midnight meter right now. Just a little one. We know, I'm just throwing this on the, on the fly. Just a little mini midnight meter right now. If it doesn't really get attacked together.

No, no, no, no. After the first six? Yeah, after the first six. If it doesn't seem to be getting attacked together, at this rate, it's a six for me, right? It's six right now. It's a six right. It's about a five for me.

Oh, wow. So I give it a seven right now. I'm a seven too, yeah. Sure. So I give it a seven right now. I think the best it could possibly do right now is an eight. Right. We got to get there in these last two episodes.

But it's a seven for me right now. I'm not, I'm having fun watching the boys. It's probably my favorite superhero show of the last, I don't know, in this era of superhero shows that we've been seeing, the boys is my favorite superhero show. So it's not as strong as the first three seasons. season three was a masterpiece, but it's not as strong as the first three seasons. It's still a good show.

Sure. And maybe they're training a little bit of water to set us up for a great season four. But I'm going to give the boys right now a seven, a chance to get to an eight if the last two episodes are bangers. I'm just wondering how they would do that at this point. I hope they do. Are you all ready to get Star Wars? Chuck, you got the Midnight Manifest.

All right. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for the Acolyte Teach Corrupt, directed by Hennel Culpepper, written by Leslie Headlin and Jocelyn, uh, yo. OSHA wakes up on a mysterious planet as Camir bays in the ocean. Camer claims he was a former Jedi until his master stabbed him in the back. Camer pitches O'Sha on his vision of the force and explains how his Kutosis helmet, a metal that disrupts lightsabers, also blocks out all senses, thus giving him a deeper connection

to the force. Master Venestra and a group of Jedi go to investigate the killings that happened last episode, with a Jedi Knight suspecting that Soul was the only person powerful enough to kill all of these Jedi. On Soul's ship, May tries to out-remove her the Jedi Knight, but thanks to Basil, Pip, and a slip of the tongue, soul subdues May and says that she will listen to a story about what happened on Rendon. All right, Chuck.

I want to be very, very nice. But I can't because I do think that you brought it up then. I think last episode we were all on the edge of our seats. We were surprised. It was some of the best lightsaber fight. we had seen in Star Wars in general. And I think that finally, the acolyte felt like it had momentum. It felt like it was moving towards something.

And y'all, I have seen a show Bumble this bad in a while. This episode, I was like, how do you stop all forward momentum? We are at the point where I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the mystery anymore. I don't care. I was really, really disappointed and I don't want to be an asshole about it but when the last scene is Seoul basically kind of breaking

seems like he's breaking bad or maybe it's a red herring, I don't know. He's like, I'll finally tell you what happened. I'm like, motherfucker, you have said this every single episode. I don't care. I don't care. There was a lot of, a lot of, all right, I'm about to tell you what happened and then something else would interrupt.

So I... Do I get a chance to talk? I mean, you've been talking. I remember a lot of like 30 minutes. I know, but it's... Oh, never mind. Oh, yeah. Tell us how you really feel.

It's just us. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, no. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it.

I almost said something. Go ahead. Go ahead. Damn. Go ahead. Oh, I can't read. Go ahead, don't. No, go ahead, don't.

Oh, I got tears of all. Oh, I got tears of all. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, I forgot what I was going to say now. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. So where were we talking about you and talking about the show? I was really excited for the momentum that this show had. And I think that it still has a lot of it. It's just, it's taking way too long. It's taking way, way, way, way, way too long. It got two episodes left. And I think this is just starting to cook.

It's just starting to get. Wait, two episodes left. No, no, no. I like this episode. I thought it was the second best episode of series. I liked it a lot. I think what happens is, I mean, this happens in all shows. You have that episode.

So with all the action, right, things go down. It's, ah, then you have a little, like, sleeper, you know, you reset the things a little bit. And I think this episode did a good job of, like, resetting the stakes a little bit in terms of now OSHA's with Camere and Mays with Soul. And so, like, there's a little bit of, all right, not just like, what are we doing here in terms of, like, what's the show doing? In terms of, okay, what do they have, like, how do they each connect with each other? I think Camere and OSHA's their arc was very interesting in this episode

even though I thought I was getting a little close what was going on I was like I was like oh whoa but I'm in my head in my woods just been I'm like was this

Camer's plan the entire time was he using May to get to OSHA like I thought their interactions I mean I think I don't know if that's the exact case I don't think so because I think clearly May

fucked up too much and is like oh well your sister's seems to be pretty good with it. And, you know, he's Leonard holds one. Right, he's letting her hold the saber. They're having, like, conversations. This is a very good

illustration about what it actually means to be seduced by the dark side. Yeah, literally. Yes, actually. He has, he's talking like, look, they don't want you to feel on that side. Yeah. Right here, fear, anger, loss. We let you, we let you have emotion, we let you feel. And those feelings are your power.

Your strength is derived. from this. And they're silencing you. They're keeping you slept. I don't condone the behavior, but I understand. Right? I thought that arc was pretty interesting. And for the sole and male of it all, I think he's not fuck with it at all. No, of course not. But the... Did Dave Filoni and Kathleen Kennedy, did they have a meeting without me? Not this week. Not this week. Did they have every meeting without you, your child? Y'all checks? This is egregious. So, I should just talk to Favreau directly.

Yeah, just go straight to him. Um, so I liked it. I do say, I do say, I do, with one thing I said last week I was like either tell us what happened or fucking the guy tells us what happened if they save him for the finale it's gonna be a huge ding on the shows I mean what are you gonna say?

No it just like even with soul like there's so many great little inklings of his darkness of the things that are conflicting with him that long shot of his face turning where he's just like kind of staring at the screen like that's a long shot that we have that stuff is working

yes so so well the show works better after the episode that we just got, it's just there's consternation and there's a little bit of impatience with rolling it out now. I knew that this would be a divisive episode because as a standalone episode, right,

it works. It's a good episode. It seems like the performances are more grounded. It seems like there's more intrigue to the show. It seems like this is the show that they promised us that they would make. Whereas early on in the acolyte, it didn't seem like the show was able to carry its weight

in terms of being mysterious and unpredictable. But now you're watching and you're like, what's happening with her? Is she actually turning? Is he making sense? I know he's the villain, but he's really great looking. Samely good looking.

So it's like he seems so resolute in what he's saying that you want to get to the bottom of what his motivation is. Every little idios secrecy and all the stuff is working, it's like, then it snaps into you that this is the sixth episode of the show or the fifth episode of the show or whatever it is. We don't have the time.

We don't have a lot more going. And I would say that that's a criticism of this show. But in Disney Plus shows, like, in general, we get to, like, the fifth episode or the fourth episode and we go, wow, it's getting good. How are they going to wrap it up? And if this, if the episode with All the Jedi would have been, like, the second or third episode. Oh my God, we'd be cooking right now. And this would have been like, if this would have been like the fourth,

it might feel different. I really liked this one. And when I was watching it, I was like, oh, I'm into this. I'm digging this. But I really, really felt like it should have ended with soul telling us what happened. When it cuts, I was like, all right. I was pissed the fuck off. I really feel like it should have ended with soul telling us what happened.

because this means that he's not going to fucking tell us what happened, at least to the middle of the next episode. Well, you got to come back and watch next week, right? And then we'll have an episode and a half to resolve whatever's going on. Like, Pip got fucking fucked over, my little guy. Basil? Basil. Man, Basil's up there as far as creatures is concerned, man.

Oh, yeah, he's great. Basil was just like, I'm going to handle this shit by saying. Basil, sick of the bullshit. And what I'm sick of. Basil, man. What I'm sick of. Like Basil's sick of the bullshit. Basil's like,

This stuff is going. Kicking her and the shit. This stuff is going too far. Basil don't trust nobody. Basil only trust himself. I was doing my job. But here's my thing. We were talking about, you know,

lore before. And we were talking about rules. And I feel like the other thing about the accolate, I still stand on it. Like, I'm not one for like, can it? We're like, it's, you could fudge all this shit. But there is a point where I'm like,

all right. So Soul has no idea that this. isn't OSHA but he I'm maybe I'm misremembering it didn't they say either the previous episode or episode before that he's so strong in the force he did find out that he can

Basil told him what no I thought he found out because on the story that she was telling and then he was just like oh well they actually they muddy that because it's like the the second that he shoots are Basil's right next to him so he could have Basil could have just been like hey oh I don't know you guys can help me out

I might have missed something did he just not discern from his intuition that that was May or did? It's so, it's so obfuscated in this episode to where he's either playing along with the fact that he knows that it's May for too long to like a dangerous degree to be like, all right, well, we're, oh, you're up here, great. Could you fly us into this next thing for the ship and I got to go down and deal with something? Like, that's taking too long. And by the time Basil knows the entire time that it's, that it's her, by the time he pacifies her and like stuns her with the thing. He's right next to him being like, see, got her.

I don't think Basil told him. I do think it's, well, where you got to remember, he was supposed to rendezvous with the Jedi, the Jedi folk. Right. And he's not doing that. So, like, I guess they couldn't communicate for the first bit of it. But once they got comms up and going, like, you could have just stayed there and waited. But we needed something in this episode for us to know that he knew that was either her or completely convinced that it wasn't.

Because if we didn't get so much as a glance her way to be like, But then he stuns her And then we like, we're like, oh, yeah, he knows It's so at this point properly connected to the force, though. Because he's like, because he's so angry and so emotional. He's filled, or at least the lights out of it, where he's filled with so much self-doubt and guilt.

Is he properly connected to the force? Are there some clinton in his shit? I mean, he's connected enough where that motherfucker lands on the planet. He's like the only one powerful enough to do all this shit with soul. Yeah, and I'm like, so y'all know something about Soul that we haven't. I think the problem with this as a mystery is that, A, the mystery to me is not that interesting at this point and the way that it's doling out information because there's not a detective character, because there's not a character that's explaining stuff, to your point of

what you were just like kind of illustrating, I don't, the show's not doing a good point to be like, yo, what does soul know? Does he know that this is made? does he know, like, when is he learning all of this shit? It's not shot in a way where I'm learning. So then I'm like, waiting until the next episode be like, are they going to explain it? And nine times out of 10, they don't explain this shit.

But there's also these like flashes of brilliance that the show has to where like when the lights were off and she had to like reset the entire ship and the entire ship is cloaked in darkness and soul's like visibly angry. And she's asking him like pretending to be her sisters like, why didn't you tell me all of this shit before and all these things and he's like the lights coming down on him like he's in a jail cell

like there's like bars on top of him and he's so like ominously lit and like he's about to say something and he's like being like so like obtuse with what he's about to try. Yeah he's being cagey and he's caged himself in this like thing and it's a beautiful

metaphor that the show is doing like the show is smarter than what it's showing us right now. So I think this entire episode was well-acted, well-paced. It was beautiful. Yes. Like, there was scale and scope to it. This was a good episode of television to me.

Absolutely. The question is whether or not it will satiate the audience of the show that was probably looking for a little bit more after the big joint that we had before. That's the question. As far as, wait, so the question about whether or not this was, whether or not this was good or bad, I think this was clearly good. The question is, in the story, which we need answers, was this good enough for a lot of people? I'll say this. This show is doing some different stuff

that other Star Wars shows haven't done. It's horny. It's one, the one, it's horny. Very horny. Like, the sexual subtext between them, it was clear that he was using the fact that he's an attractive guy as part of his seduction to her, which we haven't seen.

We haven't seen. He was using the fact that he can get close to her, that she is kind of taken aback by the fact that, you know, he obviously does squats and all of that stuff. When he's holding the lightsaber to his chest with her hand in his hands. He's got her hand. And he's like, he's like, come up.

He's like, he's rolling like that. And like, I was like, oh, God. This is part of the problem of the show, though, where I'm like, I don't actually disagree with you guys. I think this was all well. acted. But the minute Mani came to the forefront last episode in this episode, I was like, oh, he's the most charming person in this entire show. Absolutely. He's more interesting than our

protagonist. And he remains that. Yes. Yeah. Where it's like, Amandaela hasn't been really given anything. We haven't seen OSHA do anything. I actually have felt that way the entire season. And this was the first episode. I felt that it was by design. Yeah. Because, like, it's that level of... This is the first episode I felt that it was by design because you could see that in this episode,

there was a more instinctual performance from her to where it seemed like the two characters were acting more on emotion. There was a little bit more desperation. It didn't seem like they were being programmed as much. It seemed like this was the episode where they wanted to grow the character up a little bit. Yeah. And the way...

that like even she puts that help, I kind of love the way that the episode ended as frustrated as it was to end where it did, where like... She became Darth Vader. But the breathing is invocative of Darth Vader. Like, she's in silence. You just see, like, the little slits of light inside and it's very, like, quiet.

And just to be honest, her being seduced and may being in that situation is a subversion of how we first looked at the show. Yeah. I'll say this. Something else that was kind of... I was like, whoa. in the show is their close-ups of dead Jedi.

Yeah. I was well after the fact. I was like, whoa. This is Star Wars here, buddy. Kids watch it. You know what I mean? Like, just like they, and whenever something like that happens, like I paused it when that happened.

I was like, why did they do that? Why would they so intent on showing the carnage and the after effect? Like, normally when a Jedi dies or, when any character dies, we see them get burned up, or we see people get... Get God by, like, the blazers. Or just whatever.

Or we move on pretty quick, right? We move on pretty quick. But for some reason, that scene wanted us to stay there. They wanted us to be like, look what happened. It's not just a cool lightsaber fight. The people that you were with

for the first four episodes of this show, they died. And think about how ceremonial Jedi's that we've cared about in the past have died before, where it's this very, like, beautiful, elegant, like, dissolving into the force.

Think of Luke. We think of Obi-Wi War. This was a crime scene. Yes, this was a crime scene. It was a brutal violence. Quigon didn't die that nice. No, but like, but like the way that is, send off, though.

No, but yeah. Oh, Obi-Wan and blah, blah, blah. Should have blocked. And it's, exactly. But it's the type of thing that, like, it strips it of its ceremony, of its propriety, it's very like cold and calculating.

It's taking away the things that the Jedi even like glorify in death. Yeah, they had, they had a, what, Jackie Yord, Flo Cloon on the floor like that. Yeah. I thought it was stuff. Taking away the ceremony of being given up to the force. That conversation with Venestra and the Padawan dude, actually I don't know it was Padawan. But that hasn't been invented yet. Right.

Yeah, like the, I feel sorry for all the old Jedi's. They didn't get a chance to just like, oh, does. Just dissolve away. Tough. It's tough. You know? Chagong didn't dissolve away. I mean, think about it. Think about, like, you know, how history works. They'd have pellicillin way back when, you know what I'm saying? People, people, like stubbed their toe on a nail and just died from bacterial infection. Tia. You know what I'm saying? Like. It's out there. A sailor's out there fucking and dying. You think sailors, they're like, they're down to scurvy, bro, because they didn't have vitamin C. A lot of carbs. It used to be tough, bro. Oh, my goodness. People out there, they're talking about, like, vaccination and stuff. like that and like how it's bad and stuff

and I'm not shilling for Pfizer right now. They don't, they don't sponsor us. But just think at one part, if they sponsor, if they, if they, if Pfizer sponsored us, we all being here with little fucking bandages. Right here. We still need a fuck.

Take your shit. All right. So now you got every white game of Thrones fan mad at us. And now you're just getting the rest of the white people. Right. You're just getting everybody else. Welcome to the Midnight boys. All I say is this.

Small Pots just to kill 50 million people. a year right killing everybody by 1980 that shit was gone got rid of it yeah and I was because of the vaccine see what the fuck you want I don't want to deal with measles go take your shit anyway

so it but just like the whole show I just feel like sometimes because I get what Charles is saying I knew it wasn't going to be enough for Charles when it was over and not because it was bad just because it wasn't enough yeah it wasn't enough

I just feel like This is a trap that the creators of these Disney Plus shows just keep falling into. You know, I mean, yeah. They just keep falling in. After the big Asoka joint where it was Her versus Anakin, we're like, fuck, we're ready. And then they took a break. It was like, warm. Yeah.

They always take breathers. So I do think your point of, like, they have this episode. It's always halfway through the season. It's not like episode two or episode three. It's always like episode four, episode five. And then we have like two episodes left to like deal with it. It's like, okay, now y'all got jumping way too late. Yeah.

You know, it's like when your team come out in a sports game and y'all are down 25 a half time. And then third quarter, y'all down like five or ten, it's like, oh, where was all this at the beginning of the game? You rally now and you're still behind. And now it was too late, right? To, like, actually make a comeback field started out with this energy.

Might be a different outcome. That's, like, always how it feels for these dislikshows. Think to your point, that's correct. And I do think the show does, like, it's very interesting in how it, like, lays down the mystery, right? For example, in this episode, when Camer's going into the water, got scars in his back, right?

What happened there? And then you see Vanessa, she got the whip lightsaber, crazy, by the way. She whipped him. Right? That's, are we, are we, is that another one of those Camer things, or not Camer things? One of those, like, the stranger things were like,

well, that seems obvious. Like, that's super connected. Or are they trying to, like, red herring us again? I mean, I do things. You show those two things in the same episode. It was too far along for this show to be playing. And I don't disagree with you. But there was no reason to show

her whip out that super awesome whip lightsaber. That was nice. Awesome whip lightsaber? That was great. Interesting. It's good. You like a whip lightaber?

As long as it's wielded by a green person. It's fair. Oh, okay. That's fair. I mean, you can't hear. Yeah. I'm a, bro. If Kylie went a whip and he was whipping

fucking thin. Can you imagine? Wow. Yeah. And he didn't. And then he did. Ray got a pop out and save him. Could you him, man?

Oh, my God. Because he did, no. Because remember, in the Force of Wickees, he really does that shit. In the Force of Wiccans, he really do whip Finn. And then Ray's like, not my best black friend. No. If he, like, metaphorically he whipped him yet, if he actually took out a light. What was, what was bad?

He was like, what's your name? He's like, Finn. Y'all seen Glory? And he's just looking And that one tear dropped his eye If that was fit Oh God

It's too much Don't we can't be doing this They're getting on some Game of Thrones We go out The Star Wars family I don't give a fuck I'm trying to see How bad it was in the movie

I remember force of weeks I'm like dog They did him dirty Remember he was on the front of all The promotional material He was like man He's the guy And then he wasn't

I was so much at in the theater. I was like, bro. I mean, he had the fight on the planet. He had the lightsaber. We thought like, hey, man. He wasn't getting busy with that lightsaber. He wasn't, but we, you know, say, it's his first time.

You got time to improve and then they didn't. My dad hated it. My dad, we went to see the movie. My dad was like, is this a nigga going to do something? What they got that nigga out there for? Also, because I remember in promotional for the next movie, Boyega was like, he was getting fit. Like, he was working out.

And I'm like, oh, he's going to get busy. He's going to get busy. He's going to get busy. They took that man to Vegas and they just like, hey, man, just go. They put them on the G-Leat team. That was tough. Let me ask you. One last thing before we leave.

Why don't the Sith recruit more sexy people? Interesting. Because when you think about it, the Sith are normally some ugly motherfuckers. Right? It would seem. No. I wonder what the hottest Halpatin got. Anakin.

Anakin was the only. only one and then he, by the time he turned Sith, he got ugly pretty quick. Yeah. But also, not technically Sith, but she's Sith-adjacent-adjacent. Ventress was hot. Ventress was okay. Ventress was all right. But I think about it.

It's like, if. Kylo Ren. So it's a bunch of women that still like go to get meeting greets with Chris Brown. So if you- What in the world? How did you get, how did you go from point A to point B like that? I'm just saying, here's the thing.

This is the whole episode was essentially her going to the meeting greet with him. If you had him, he could probably get a lot more. This is wrong. If you had him, you could probably get a lot more people. Or if you're like a badass female that was a Sith, imagine like Angelina Jolie was a Sith, right? And like, she's trying to recruit you to the dark sign.

You know what I'm saying? It would probably be a lot easier for her to get you to come over there. But the Sith sent people like Palpatine at you. Like Darth Plague's, they sent at you? Do you think it's the darkness that corrupts, you know, inside and out? It could be the darkness that corrupts. But at the same time, I'm wondering is if you're the

Sith and you're trying to get, especially like a young Jedi type to come along with you. I'm gonna be honest. Why not send somebody out there that you could, it's a double wagon. The Jedi are ugliest fuck too. Well, to think about it more, maybe he's not, maybe he's... Respect Obi-Wan-Kinobie. Maybe he's in more of a, like,

darkness neutral place. Antiquette. Yoga. Yoda looks like a fucking nut sack. That's because you only seen the old Yoda. You don't know Yoda when he was... In his crime? Yeah. 200, 200, 250. Okay.

That's tough. Okay. But like, think about it. What's his name? What's the dude? We at least have some sexy Jedi, I know. First of all, Obi-Wan didn't get sexy until he had the beard. Well, I mean...

Credit to credit to do. It's Obi-Wan, Anakin. Who else you got? Quigon Gin, Silver Fox. Sure. Yeah. You know what I mean? You got...

Oh, you got... You got... There's not one single... Asoka looked good. Hold on. Asoka looked good. Ezra looked good. There's not one sexy Jedi on the council.

All them motherfuckers look at them. Well, they're old, though. Old people, I thought this was a sex positive podcast. It is a sex positive. Oh, this is handsome. I'm like, I'm just saying that you, I mean, that's like saying there's not a lot of sexy people in the Senate. Like, isn't it a different person?

Yeah, yeah. A couple of senators could get their back blown out. It's all right. We don't need to go do that. It's like a different point. They're a different point in their life. Counterpoint, though. is this Jedi propaganda because of the rule of two,

we don't get as many, there's not as many chances to get baddies in the Sith because they're constantly killing people. That's facts, though, but what I'm saying is, if you are Plague's or if you are Darth Sidious, wouldn't you say,

that's probably why Darth Sidious went with Anakin. He was probably, we need to change it up a little bit. We get Anakin in here. Yeah. And then, get the recruitment numbers up. Get the recruitment numbers up. We can have a Sith assassin.

We can have all of these people because we need better-looking people. So if they just recruited like a boy band, like a BTS to the dark side. Think about it. Look at all. Oh, the only person I would say, you know who was kind of Sith adjacent, Moses Ingram as the third sister. She's not a Sith. She a dark side user, sure, beautiful sister. But if-

Can I ask this, why don't any of the Jedi or Sith, no fat asses? Do you think if there were more fat-asses in the Sith, they would be able to recruit people? Well, the question is, Do they have the diet in Star Wars? There's a lot of robes going on. You can't really see much. I've never seen them eating cornbread. I never seen no red beans and rice.

They got to go a lot of different places. A lot of rationing. A lot of rationing. But they force jump a lot. They do. But then you're using the force. They're not really doing squads. You tell me, because here's the thing,

you telling me you don't, like, can't use the mid-oquarie count in the glutes? Who is the thickest person that we've ever had in Star Wars? Oh, what's their face? Who? Who's the thick of course? Who? Who?

From Osaka? You are home girl. Oh, Bix. No, not Bix. Not Bix? No. Green Charlie from Rebels. Oh. Hara.

Yeah. She probably, she might be the sick as one. So, was that a problem? What a, what a thickness at? Again, this is a... Way of Princess Laine wasn't thick and... She wasn't thick. She had it, though.

This is the first time. I mean, outside of... Hold on. She wasn't thick. But that 70s after she had it, though. I'm not going to bullshit you. We try every day. We try our best, man.

We try every day. We do our best. And it got better as, you know, it got on. Because by the time we got to Jedi, woo, who, da-da. If you were, question, if you were Luke, would you have blamed him if he just got a little bit, you know, of a Lanister thing going on?

He's like, damn, you're looking good. What? No, you can't. Even a Game of Thrones is nasty. Yeah, you got to have that. Come on, man. Every man's got to have a code, man. You got to have a code, man.

You got to have a code. You got to have a code. Even I draw the line. Okay. So, um, so I feel, it feels like almost that the two shows are two Thursday shows are in the same place. Yeah.

Yeah. Of having seasons that are good. Yes. Or watchable. but really need to finish strong. Charles, what's the Star Wars the Acolyte need to do to really finish strong to where it'll be able to calm some of the conversation about this?

I think I do agree with you guys where the show has at least found itself in terms of, I think, quality control, the acting, the atmosphere, the tone. If this mystery does not live up to how long they've been teasing it, like that's actually what it needs to do. The mystery has to kind of like,

be good enough to essentially make me feel like I didn't waste my time for eight episodes and that's gonna be a really hard place because I don't think it will be that. Can I push against that? I'm now like fuck the mystery

fuck the story that Soul has to say genuinely I'm like I no for real I want this show to deliver on the like philosophical counterpoint for the Jedi. I want to know Two episodes

That's possible It's getting there It's a mystery show This ain't a philosophy show This is Porque Lolo's ghost No no no no no This is a murder

fucking mystery show And if the murder mystery Is not worth The eight hours I put into it That is a problem I don't know if it's a murder mystery I don't think so

It's a mystery show Because we're not really Investigating a murder right now Yeah What are we talking about We are literally The whole thing is like Who killed those

witches. Right. Whatever happened to those witches is the reason clearly why May and OSHA are as much in flux as they are with the force. And that's why Mani Justino is exploiting that fear and all of those emotions to actually use him as an acolyte to make a Jedi counterpoint. That's what I care about. The actual thing that is going on is the origins of that dark side and that thing rising up.

So you don't care about the stuff that happened on Brenda? I do. But only to the degree that it actually pushes along why soul is having conflict inside of himself, why he might turn to the dark side, why him and Mani Jacinto clearly either have a history or him and the Jedi have a history enough to want to make a schism that actually undoes the Jedi

in a couple hundred years. That's actually what the show's about. So you all watch Nides out and y'all don't care who did it? Again, but that's there's... It's immaterial to what we're doing here. Yeah, there's... How? Again, I don't think it's immaterial, but I do think that's the straw that breaks the camel's back, right? That's the stone that unlocks the dam.

Once we found out what that happens, there's the stuff with who is Camer's master. Yeah. Right? Like there's a whole bunch of other questions that needs to be answered too. It's a show not about mystery. It's a show about mystery. Exactly. Sure. So you can't, like, if you're basing it off just the one,

you're missing the force for the trees. All the mysteries, if all these mysteries get revealed and I don't give the fuck about any of them, that's a failing of the show. Well, yeah, if they all fail. The show has, it has its flaws and its criticisms and its failings for sure. But the things that it's getting right and the things that it's actually making interesting,

like what we have here, I'm still invested in. So let's do this real quick. What parts of the show, before you got out of here, what parts of the show do have you invest it right now? Is there anything? I think, honestly, Manny is just, this might be one of the best acting performances we've seen in a Star Wars show probably besides Andor. So that, I do think the.

mystery of the Sith, all that shit. I'm fascinated by. The whole what happened on Brandock shit, all of that, I'm just so pissed right now. It's not that I'm interested. It's more so, like, I don't feel like the show can do what Steve wants it to do and what I want it to do. It can't get to the philosophical shit until they explain this. And that's what I think I'm bumping up against where I'm just like, I'm more closer to

Steve in terms of like, I care about the philosophy of the Jedi and the Sith and how does this rise up and how are they so ineffectual, all that shit. But I don't know if you can do all of that. If we still have to do probably what's going to end up being a flashback of what happened on Brendock. So I want the mystery to get out of the way. So honestly, like Camere and OSHA and May and soul can finally do shit, you know? That's more or less what I'm saying. Yeah. It's the fact that like I don't care about what we need to.

to get to more of this, but that's the thing that's in the way. And so, frankly, like, it's going to happen. It will be like, oh, it's because, you know, Soul really did this or these Jedi really did that. That to me, I'm like, all right, fine, get to what you need to get to because the actual reasoning behind, man, he's just into those characters actually, like,

the commier's shit, the commier and OSHA shit, where he's talking about the force and they lied to you. And, like, and he's kind of breaking down what is obviously dark side shit. I was like, yo, this is fucking fascinating. When he's fixing the helmet as she puts it on, I'm like, this is fascinating. But the minute we get up to the point where I'm just invested,

I'm like, go, go, go. They have to cut because they're like, all right, we have to go explain a bunch of shit. And I just want I want these young actors who have so much charisma and talent to be able to keep doing this together and not have to do all of these fucking detours to

explain a bunch of scaffolding that honestly you should have gotten out of the way earlier in the season. She reminds me of like a Netflix show in the sense of, I don't know, you guys, I'm sure you guys have binge a Netflix show once or twice where an episode like,

episode, you'd be like, all right, I'm watching, you know, two episodes tonight. You get episode four and they do what this episode does, which is like, they're like, all right, we're about to explain something. Leaves on a cliffhanger. They did this in episode three. They did it.

They did it. They're doing episode five where you're like, cool. Like, if we were binging it, you'd be like, oh, man, let me watch this episode right now. I'm just going to watch it all tonight. just giving us all this mystery. We have to wait a week, you know?

I think... If this is a binge, I think I would be less harsh on it. Yeah, if it's a binge, you're like, all right, oh, oh, oh, the evil guy exploded everybody. Let me watch up with the next episode. Forget sleep. I'm just going to watch it. The whole, like, waiting a week, I think, does kind of temper it a little bit.

I'm a fan of traditional TV, so it's not really a problem. I say, in time, I do understand, like, they got to keep you invested. Like, that's what they do. They got to figure out which one of these shows should be binges and which ones of these shows should be week to week. My last question, would this have been more effective as a movie?

Like, I'm starting to feel like the way they broke this up. I'm like... If we're being completely honest, a lot of these Disney stuff could be a movie. Yeah. I don't have been better as a movie.

The only problem is they're not going to be able to get you guys out to the theater to see this stuff. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I'm not like, yeah, I get why. They're not going to be able to...

Yeah. And plus they're gunshot after solo. The movie was about fucking Han Solo. And y'all said, fuck it. Who's, who's weak? It's wild. that it took all of that just to not have Star Wars

At some point when we run out of Conte, I do want to rewatch Solo because having Donald Glover fuck the Millennium Falcon was crazy. Although Solo was good. I don't get for what you say. They try to see see how they fed you, man.

You're a blue pill, man. See what happened was your red pill? Check this out. They tried to blame it on Solo. They're like Solo. Nobody came out to see Solo. Rise of Skywalker is the worst thing

they've ever done. And at that point we're like, yeah, this is not really. Rise of Skywalker is not the list. But it made money, though. I mean, sure, but at that point, we're like, yeah, we're not done for a while. I remember attack.

I remember attacking the club. They try to pit it on Harno. They tried to pin it on Solo. Maybe it was two bricks in a row. Possibly. Nah, I, I like, hold on with you. I think, hey, make Solo two happen. I'm there.

Rise of Skywalker, legitimately might be the worst one we've ever seen in theaters. I promise, I never saw Attack the Clothes Theater's. I saw Attack. Well, as a kid, I thought it was. Dope shit I was in that theater like,

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I'm going crazy on. I'm out there on that, man. I don't like nuts in my, in my cookies, man. The texture just throughout right. It's too crunchy. Too crunchy. I don't like peanuts. How about it in brownies?

No. No. Yeah. I'm leaving this one alone. He changed it. Jomi changed it. He caught himself at the end because he knew what was about to happen. But he was about to say, I don't like nuts in my head.

And then he changed it. We'll move on. We'll move on because eventually there will be an HR concern. Yeah. And by the way, I will say this. Oh, yeah. Oh, just now? Just now?

First of all. Two and a half years in just now? No, because this is because of Aalaya. Alaya came in here this morning. Get on mic, Aalaya. Aalaya came in here this morning complaining about her nickname. She othered herself. Alea, would you please like to address this?

I'm sorry, I othered myself because I said that it seems like you randomly just picked a woman and then gave me that name. Okay. So let me tell you why I push back on that. I am, what is my nickname? Old. I'm the only one who has a nickname that's actually a pejorative The only person who

Old is a pejorative The way y'all niggas using It sounds like a you problem You can change nickname No you Van is oh like your nickname Something great 24-killed

Coke baby Chuck is is a great nickname Yeah that's very positive Well there's a couple of different nicknames That you have right Coat baby Chuck is actually It's not bad It's like you have

Bad. The architect, the builder and tiger things. Great. Jomi, the explainer. Yeah. Old. Five-inch warrior? Five-inch warrior?

I never called you five-inch warrior in intro. You're the 15-inch warrior now, so. We changed it. Right. People've been asking about Jomey. We kind of get on. Well, wait. We're going to stop.

Alea does have the right to say that her nickname is not inventive enough, and I think that that's true. So anybody out there. Alea, is this now, can I, should I not call you A to Z anymore? No, A-a-Z is fun. You like A-a-Z school? I don't know. the pod

Not as that doesn't That's not A to the Z A now That's like That's like these basketball nicknames Now in my era

In the 90s We had great nicknames Brough In the 80s and 90s We had magic We had air We had Sir Charles Now Kevin Durant's

Nick name is KD Well because he didn't want Slim Reaper Which was perfect Like Kevin Slim Reaper I don't I can see why he didn't want

Slam Man He wanted to call himself The servant Oh that's terrible That was terrible That was terrible What's Chey

SGA We just give guys It's like, you know what I mean? It's wax. By the way, shout out to Ant, boy. You a wild boy. Oh, man. Oh, man, well.

Shout out to Anthony Edwards. He's, honestly, he's restoring the feeling. Honestly, we ain't seen NBA players like this in a while. Y'all want y'all players from the trenches. This is what you get. Y'all, y'all want y'all players from the trenches, this is what you get. Now, if you guys want a bunch of hybrids up there with the Duke haircut, those guys are going to be okay. Hybrids is crazy.

But if you want a guy from the Trenches. This is what you get.