The Ringer-Verse - 'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Episode 3 Instant Reactions

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

The Midnight Boys return to give their instant reactions to the latest episode of 'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.' They give a brief update in the world of the DC films (04:17) and then they give you all of the spoiler-filled goodness that you need to hear about the latest from Sam and Bucky's globe-trotting mystery (10:51). And before they go, they offer up a few more 'Godzilla vs. Kong' thoughts (56:07). Hosts: Van Lathan and Charles Holmes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the Netflix show about, like, the toys that made us? Yeah, it's like the He-Man, I had Castle Grace Cole on one side in my room. I had Snake Mountain on the other side of my room, right? And I had it staged the way I like, okay? Okay. And my cousin, Coy, who ended up going to prison, And it shows you that he probably deserved that because who would come in there and mess up somebody's shit. My cousin Coy came in and he was playing with messed up my whole battle.

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and of course, my partner in crime, Charles Holmes, host of the Ring of the Music Show. You are in the middle of the instant reaction show to the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We do this every Friday. We are the Midnight Boys, giving you that up at midnight,

impulsive, knee-jerk reaction to the series, which is absolutely picking up and catching fire. I feel like we're in the throes of it now. Follow us on all socials at Ringerverse and the Tuesdays come back and check in with Mout. On Tuesdays, Mallory is going to give you the deeper dives, your mailback questions

to kind of satiate you before we do this whole thing again. And we also are going to pepper in different episodes. I know Charles, you went in on the first three episodes of Invincible, a series. With my man, Jomey? Yeah, that we are loving. So you guys check that out. That's also on the feed.

and me and Miles and Lex did an instant reaction pod to Godzilla versus Kong. Monsterverse stuff happening, which is also on the feed. So check all that out. We're giving you guys all that you can handle because, let's face it, nerd culture is giving us all we can handle right now. There's a lot going on. There's so much. Wait, can I just ask you real quick? How does it feel, man?

It feels like that part of the movie where, you know, Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker got to go their separate ways, you know, on little different adventures then they come back, you know? We were off doing instant reactions elsewhere and we just had to come back for the sequel. How does it feel? It feels good. It feels like whatever fast movie it was

when Dominic Toreto and Brian came back together. You know what I mean? Wait, was that that was not Fast Five. That was like Fast and Furious, the fourth one. Fast and Furious when they came back together. You know what I mean? It's like, hey, Dom, and then they, you know, they rebonded.

I was going to ask which one? of us is down which one is Brian but I know I'm Brian so I'm definitely Brian. I was like the light skin gives it away. All right. My antics. Yeah. Also give it order. You're for sure, Brian.

You might be the fans right now. I don't know. You got that. You're for sure, Brian. All right. Coming up, we're going to do the same thing we always do, which is give our instant reactions to the Falcon and Northern Soldier. Episode three, knee jerk, impulsive, way too rushed, not thawed, emotional.

That's what we do. But before we do that, we're going to do a new segment called Nerd News Minute. Because there's a lot of news that's happening in the fandom nerd culture space that we don't really get to talk about on the podcast because this is a podcast dedicated to one specific show. There are a couple of things out there right now that are going on. Number one, the biggest news, I feel like, of the week, is that every duvone's new gods and James Wan's trenches are not moving forward. forward at D.C. Now, the trench deal was kind of an Aquaman shoot out, an offshoot type of deal.

Wasn't as kind of into that. That never was coming now. Like, I was actually surprised that, that was never. That wasn't going to be a big deal. Even though that was a very cool sequence in, in Aquaman when they went to the trench. Yes. Good sequence. Good, great sequence. Actually, probably

the best sequence of the entire movie. That was an amazing, amazing sequence. But I am actually shocked. about the new God's news. Oh, I was like, whoa. I am shocked about the new gods news. Wait, can I ask you before? Were you a fan?

Did you read Tom King's Mr. Miracle run? No, my relationship with the new gods is completely need to know. So I have jumped into what Kirby has done with the characters. It's all to supplement my understanding of the greater DC universe as I'm. whole. So I've read a couple of different runs, but am I, can I name you all the new gods of new genesis and apocalypse? Can I, could I, no, I probably could. I know the ones that are important, the decides, the

granny goodnesses, the high fathers, the dark sides, and their relationship to one another and what that universe, excuse me, what that sort of mythos actually looks like. I'm well versed on that, but I didn't. So talk to me a little bit. for those that don't know, Ava DuVernay was directing it, but she was also working with a comic book writer called Tom King.

He released this critically acclaimed award-winning comic book called Mr. Miracle. Basically, it was probably one of the first times and the nerds might shoot me that, like, the new gods were done right. Where, like, if you've ever read, like, the Jack Kirby New Gods, it's a lot. It's like, it's like reading, like, the Bible as a comic.

So I was actually surprised. I was just like, this is a sure bet. have a visionary director, you have one of the most decorated comic book writers going. He had a critically acclaimed Batman run. And to see them shuttle it, I was like, what? That was, if I'm being real besides the new Batman movie, that was probably my second most anticipated DC release. Like, where did that rank for you on all the movies DC was planning?

It ranked high because the scale of what they were going to do. Mr. Miracle as a character is just an amazing character. I actually thought the New Gods movie should have been the first movie that they made. Really? Even before the Zach Snyder stuff. Maybe you go, man of steel, then you go to the new gods,

and then you come out of it because the way Darkside comes into everything, I don't understand how we were supposed to have a firm understanding of who Darkside was and what Darkside means to the entire DC universe if you didn't get that stuff first. So when I say the first movie, maybe not, to your point, maybe not the first movie, maybe you introduce the universal Superman the same way that you do.

Maybe like a Guardians of the Galaxy type thing where it's just like you're, you're chugging along, Guardians of the Galaxy sets up a lot of the space characters. So by the time we're like at like end game Infinity War, we don't need any of that. We've seen who everybody is. Right. And so another thing is I know how into this project Ava was. I interviewed Aver Duberna. I think that must have been in 2019 or 2018.

I'm going to say 2019. And I interviewed her at her office over at Array here in Los Angeles, right? And when we were in Ava's personal writing space during the interview where she writes and does all the stuff, it was for her Netflix miniseries when they see us, she had just an entire wall of new gods of stuff. Really? I didn't know how into the new God she was. She was reading and doing, she had an entire of all of this stuff. And it was all plied out. And with her behind it, I just can't believe

that they got to this point. And that it is now not going to seem to happen. Wait, but also, before we go, one other thing, I'm surprised they're not doing it because we saw what Tyco Watiti did with Jack Kirby designs with Thor Ragnarok. And we saw how amazing it did. So I'm surprised they wouldn't give Ava that chance to freak out the Jack Kirby comics in the same way Tyca did because it works. So I'm actually like this is like DC like they're on notice.

I'm done with y'all if you can't correct this shit. But here's the thing though. That's what happens when there's shakiness in other areas of your universe building, right? So Marvel is allowed to take chances on characters that we don't know as well because they have a track record of movie quality that's going to get you to this. theater every time. There's not very many people that are into this stuff as much as we are. They go to see the Guardians of the Galaxy, and for a lot of people, it's their first time meeting these characters. Now, if DC had had solid entries with no hiccups all over the place in their other movies, then it would have been easier or the new gods might have been more palatable

to a regular movie going audience. But if you can't get Superman, right, you're definitely not going to be able to get High Father and Granny Goodness and some characters. that maybe people don't know, not maybe they don't know, they don't know these characters. They definitely don't know. So if you can't get Superman right, I could see why they would be skeptical

about whether or not they were going to be able to get some of these other characters right. But I'll tell you this, though, Ava would have rocked it. And I hope we get to see the new gods on screen at some point. Hey, I hope Kevin's on the phone right now being like Ava, you know.

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Wait, can I say something before you start? Go for it. This is for all the listeners. I want to, I want to on air live tell you, I apologize. Because when it was just me and Joe me, and it was my turn to do the 30 second recap for Invincible, I realize this shit is hard. Not so easy. I hit it on the first time.

So you know what I'm saying? Still talented. But that shit is hard. So like I was up here being like, damn, why isn't it hitting the 30 seconds? And man, so. It's tough. I apologize to man. I punted.

I punted. During the Monsterverse podcast, I punted on a 30 second recap. I let Miles and Lex do it. They both failed. All right. Spoiler warning. We're getting into it right now. 30 second recap begins now.

Now, we start off with a look at Captain America and Battlestar. They are somewhere trying to bust the Flagsmasters. Captain America is cursing. From then, we go to Sam and Buck. They are going to talk to Zemo. Buck decides they got to bring Zemo out of jail. From then, we move to Madrapor, something that you predicted. They are looking for the power broker.

They go to Madrapor. In their search for the power broker, they come across Sharon Carter. After that, they try to go find the power. Burger, what the hell? Psebo! And damn! You were so close this time, too. Shit.

Man. Man, it's better, though. It's getting better. It's getting better. So after that, a huge battle ensues. Would they find a scientist that is responsible for the super soldier serum getting out huge battle ensues? After that, they have to go and do something else, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

I'm so, I'm so disappointed in myself. just knew I was going to hit it. By what we had three more episodes, by episode five, I expected to be perfection. I just got to do big chunks of it. I got to do big chunks of it. But anyway, they're on the search for the power broker is the whole, the whole gist of this episode.

So let's get into it. Overall instant reactions to this episode, Chuck. So my big reaction, my big one, and I might be wild in our year, is Bucky the real bad guy? We are three episodes into this, and I, like, 15 minutes in, I'm like, I cannot stand Bucky Barnes. Like, throughout these three episodes, we've been like, did Bucky really do this? And right now, within three episodes, he didn't tell Sam about there being a black super soldier. He broke Zimo out of jail without telling Sam first.

And the Wakandans rehabilitated him for what seemed like months. And he broke out the man that killed their king. So the whole episode, I was watching it, and I think that this episode was perfection. It was written by Derek Kolstad, the creator of the John Wick universe. I think this was a perfect example of an episode where obviously they kind of like blew the budget on the first two with the action. They had to give us a little, some a little bit more grounded. And I could see that bringing Derek, you kind of got a John Wick vibe. But the whole time, in the back my mind, I was like, Bucky might be the real.

real villain of this whole thing because I cannot stand him and how he's doing Sam in the Wakandians. Am I crazy? You're not. I think one of the things that I have written down here is that for some reason, there's a dynamic in this episode where Sam still seems to be following Captain America around. In this episode, Buck acts like Steve acted for all of those movies. And the reality is that we look at it, Steve Rogers has honor and duty. right, but it's mostly to himself. If we're being honest about Captain America, Steve Rogers trusts himself to do the right thing

and he'll do the right thing in spite of consensus from everyone else. It's not democracy rule for Steve Rogers or majority rule for Steve Rogers. It's, I know what's best and I'm going to do what's best. He trusts his moral compass so much. So much. That it gets in the way.

And even if you break down the nitty-gritty argument, of like civil war, were the Sokovia Accords wrong? Like when you see in this episode that basically there is no more Secovia and you see all of these people who have been affected by these avengers, you start to realize

was that the best way to be Captain America? So here's the deal. It's an interesting question and it's the fundamental question of the movie and it's the fundamental of that movie and it's also a fundamental question in hero lore, okay?

So we're not heroes. And in a way, Iron Man isn't a hero. Iron Man is a regular guy who puts on a suit and then becomes something more than himself. So Iron Man understands or understood, rest of peace to my dog. Pour out a little liquor for a part. Hold on for a second. Well, I'm actually going to watch this. Put out a little liquor for my dog.

A little water. This is so dramatic right now. I put out a little water on my own. Wait, do you have woodpe? floors or do you have carpet? I have wood floors. Damn, so there's just water now on your wood floor. Yeah, man. That shows you how much I'm how much about I miss my dog, man.

I miss my dog, dog. So, you know, Iron Man is someone who, even though he is billionaire, a genius, playboy philanthropist, is someone who understands the rules of society, whereas Steve Rogers has been trying to break those rules from the beginning. He's such a hero that he was trying to lie

his way into the army. when he believes in something he thinks he's right he goes forward and so those are cores even if we look back at them then represent the way a person who functions inside of society looks at society and the way somebody who functions outside of society but believes he's protected it functions and that's a lot of the same thing that you see with with sam and buck in this episode right sam has regular people problems trying to get a boat for his you know like trying to get a loan bank loan trying to get a long. Trying to take care of his family. And I also think that's especially important to note

when we talk about Sam and Bucky. Bucky has no one. So the way he acts is like how like a dickhead, like 21 year old would act. No family, no sister, no nothing, no one to take care of. And Sam is like a regular guy in extraordinary situations. Yes.

And they act completely different. They act completely different. So one guy is like, hey, look, I've been on a lot of ops. and a lot of missions where we had to break a lot of rules to get to mission accomplishment. And one of these guys is a guy who had to get down and dirty, who had to do all of these things

and just the name of mission accomplishment. Whatever had to happen, happen. Remember someone even tells Captain America back in the day, Great Generation, you guys had to do some really, really nasty stuff. And he goes, yo, that was war. These guys are always fighting the war, so they're always willing to break the rules. That dynamic was reestablished in this episode

because, But Buck is doing all kinds of things, things that he feels like he has to do to accomplish the mission. And Sam is pretty much just going along for the ride. But that's what makes me mad. That's what makes me mad because Sam, Sam was there for Bucky when no one else was. Like he's the only guy texting Bucky checking up on him, being his boy. Even when, like, we talked about it on the first episode, first or second episode, when you're not really boys with someone, but like you check up on him anyway because you have someone connected. And then when we think of the Wakandans, dog, they rehabilitated your ass.

And not for one second, like it's Sam who has to bring it to his attention. He, not for one second thinks, how would these people feel? How would this African nation feel? And that is why Bucky is moving so dirty. And I don't know if he can redeem himself within these three episodes. Well, I think that he can because I think once again, we're connected. to the characters because of their motivations and what it is that he's doing.

I think we all want to find out who the power broker is. I think we all want to figure out what the nature of the flashmasters are. And I think that the audience will have some allegiance to him because of that. But it was, I do. I do see your point, though. He was just off doing his thing,

breaking rules, betraying allegiances, doing the whole nine. just, it's like, it's the way these guys move. It's the way they move. But he didn't tell Sam he was breaking out Zimo. I'm like, and that goes to your point. Dog, they're still treating Sam like the sidekick. And he has top billing, at least the title.

And he's still just going along with the mission. And I'm like, man, y'all got three episodes to prove that he could be Captain America. And also, it's a very interesting episode because this is the first time we don't see. He is definitely the side. in this episode because he doesn't have his wings. So his wings, if I'm mistaken, we don't see Falcons wings in this entire episode. Not at all.

That's what I was saying by like this episode. Like I don't know if it was budget constraints. We don't see Bucky's arm for long stretches of it. He hasn't covered up. We don't see Falcons wings at all. He doesn't fly at all. And for most of the episode, he's back to being like the sidekick with the like one-liners throughout the whole thing.

So, but I still love the episode. Love the episode. That was amazing. I just thought that that tonal shift into Sam taking the backseat was a little bit more interesting. And I think it worked. I think it worked because this was about subversion and being sort of a cloak and dagger under the radar and covert tactics. And that's a world that, frankly, Bucky probably understands a little bit better than Sam. So Sam probably would have to fall behind and take his cues from Bucky and Zemo.

Speaking of Zemo. Zemo, we understand a little bit better now, right? So they break Zemo out of jail, and we understand the lineage of Barron Zemo. Obviously, if you're a common move fan, then you know that the Barron Zeno is, Baron Zimo, shall say, is a, that's another mantle. A couple of different guys from the same family, very rich family. And the comic, I believe it's German, but in this family, in this world, in the MCU, it's Sarkovian.

Baron Zemo is a title that's passed down, and so is the mask itself. We see the fact that he's got a lot of resources, he's got a lot of money, got a lot of cars, the Mask Mace's debut. Barron Zemo then helps Sam and Buck get to the point to where they can go into a world

and try to get the power broker out of it. He seems to be the guy that understands this world a little bit better than they do. Can I just say, what did you think of him? I like them. Once again, jumping out the plane, Daniel Bruill, like, put up 40 points.

Like, I thought he stole the show in a way. I was just like, you weren't even this good in Civil War. Like, some of the one-liners, like, every scene he was in, he was just stealing it. Like, he had, I think there's, like, at least three quotables within that episode from just what he said, die with. Yeah, he had a lot less to do.

To be honest with you, he had a lot less to do in Civil War than he did in this movie. In what? This is 45 minutes. The character building they did in 45 minutes of this is way more than they did in like the two and a half hours of Civil War. Yeah, well, Civil War, he was just a guy. It was almost just in, he was a guy to throw us off the scent of the main story. It was a beast story a little bit in Civil War.

So in this one, we got a much more of a sense of who he was. And it also seems to, in this episode, that it's something different between this episode and Civil War. is that he seems to have gone through a significant grieving, a significant grieving process, and he is now not over, but past the death of his family. Because in Civil War, a lot of the Baron Zemo that we saw

was the guy where his emotions were still raw, revenge was on his mind, and he was so focused on one thing that he was grieving and still hurt, and he played the character that way. This was a little bit more of a lighter touch. Don't get me wrong, were still some absolutely diabolical moments from him, and he was still pressing people's

buttons. But he seemed to be, this probably seems to be a little bit more of his actual personality than what we got in Civil War, which is great acting and great writing, I should say, to actually evolve a character that we had tapped out from for a couple of movies. I think also what I liked about it is this is obviously the whole series is an espionage thriller. And Baron Zimo in this, he almost felt like a bond. villain in the way he's he's a man a man of means, he's a man of wealth.

Like, he's training back one-liners back and forth. I think honestly, like, probably the best moment of the whole entire episode is Zimo is actually like a fantastic music critic. Like, he gets a bar off.

Basically, like, there's a back and forth. Bucky, we learn. He says, quote, I like 40's music. When they press him on whether he likes, whether he likes, what's name? Marvin Gay. Whether he's a fan of Marvin Gay.

And Barrett Zemo says in that moment, what does he say? Let me pull it up. It's a masterpiece, James, complete, comprehensive. It captures the African-American experience when he's talking about Trouble Day. I love that. I love that response.

That's the realest moment of the whole episode. Sam goes, Sam goes, he's out of line, but he's right. Because sometimes, sometimes, as a black dude, sometimes you're in that situation. Somebody will say something

about the black experience and you'll be like, it'll be a white guy and you'll be like, okay, now he shouldn't be saying that but that shit is real though. You know what I'm saying?

And so that's kind of where he was. That was a great scene. It was such like the writing was perfect. And in that moment, I wanted to ask you, do you think Baron Zimo like reads pitchfork? Do you think he's watching Anthony Fantano videos?

Shut up. I don't know I don't shut up Wait wait And then my next question for you Before we get off We get off this corner Bucky said

I'm a fan of 40s music Does that mean he has not Listen to any music Since he's woken up Is that what we think? Well he said that he He listened to Trouble Man But he didn't like it

He was he's a fan of 40s music So he's into I mean what's 40s music Like we're talking about big band stuff Like big band stuff That's yeah Yeah You know, like he's into, like he's into who?

Was Sinatra around in the 40s? He was, right? Frank Sinatra, Charlie Parker, Nat King Cole. Ooh, Nat King Cole. Boy, I tell you what, if you're a Nat King Cole fan, you got a completely different view of black people than you do if you're a Marvin gay fan. Shout out Nat King Cole, man.

That's an ocean of difference. If Bucky was here right now, like, and he was like, we were giving him like a black music playlist. What would you, what would you give him? What's on Bucky's Black music playlist? Like from what era, though? From what time? I think you got from 40s on.

Like what are the songs or the moments where you're like, all right, Bucky, like you need to, because he's like, he's fucking up a lot of his black relationships, Sam Wilson, Wakanda.

What do we give him to ease him into this? Okay. Well, since he was already in Wakanda, he's on the African continent, I'm going to give him a little lady Smith black Mombazo to listen to. And I'm a pair that with a little burner boy. All right.

So, you know, he's probably familiar with those rhythms, you know what I'm saying? That we're going through, because I bet they dance. I bet, I bet I bet. I bet. Burn a boy and Whiz kid are big in Wakanda. They got to be. They got to be. They got to be.

They got to be huge. So I'm going to give them some of that. We're going to take a stop. I'm telling you what you know what I'm going to do? If I'm giving him music to listen to, I'm going to completely take 2000s out of it. I'm not going to give him music for the 2000s. I was, like, the first thing out of my mind is like, has he heard Usher's confessions? Yeah, see, I wouldn't give him that.

Wait, why not? You wouldn't give Bucky Usher's confessions? No, I wouldn't give him Bucres' confessions to listen to now. No Drake, no Young Thug, no Lill Wayne, no nothing. No. How old are you, Dan? Bucky doesn't need that. You are a hater.

Like, you are like a child. I'm not a hater all. All that music is great, but that's not what Bucky needs. That music is what is Bucky need, old man. What does Bucky need? That music won't help Bucky understand anything any better. It won't. It just won't.

I mean, if we're talking about all that music is great music, but if we're talking about the important music, Bucky don't need to hear that. Bucky, he'll be confused. But he- Usher's Confessions isn't important? No, Usher's Confessions is definitely, if you're going to pick something from the 2000s,

Usher's Confessions definitely would be it. I love Usher's confessions. But if I was going to give Buck a R&B album to listen to, it wouldn't be Usher's confession. What would it be? Would it be like a Prince album? Prince Vaselates from R&B,

and you know, he plays with a lot of different genres and stuff like that. But I, I, I would, if Bucky wants to understand R&B, I'm going to really get deep with him. I'm going to give him some Teddy P. All right. I'm going to give him some Luther Vandross. Okay.

I might even go, I might even, to me, I think I might even give him some jodicy. So, wait, wait. So take my money. You're like we're not going to give him any $2,000 stuff, but you're going to give him some jodicy. My house and my car. Boy, he love you. You, Bucky, I'm telling you, to me, that's the stuff I would give it out, you know, and then the 90s hip hop. Buck going to have to understand.

And then just for a little pop, I'm going to throw in some TLC, some waterfalls. But really, a lot of what I'm going to have Buck listen to because he needs to calm his ass down. It's probably Stevie Wonder. It's going to be very heavy. This is where we're on. I think Stevie Wonder actually is the perfect, like, nexus point that he could start breaking off. Because he could get, he can get in touch with his emotions. He can dance a little.

bit, we agree. So you called something once again once again Nostra-Charlesdis called something. You felt like they would go to Madrepoor. They went to Madrepoor in this episode. I howled when I

heard that. Also know that you know you're cool with the showrunner of the show. So these might not be things that you're necessarily no, no, no, no, no. I just remember you're cool with the showrunner. This is all coming from the top of the dome. If people want to know what's coming on next episode, just ask me at the end.

You know, I'll give my predictions. I'm two for two right now. So can you tell the people what Madripor is? I was going to ask you to tell the people what Madripor is. Oh, I got you. I got you. So Madripor, you know, we said in the previous episode, we weren't, we weren't going to be thirsty for the, uh, for the X-Men anymore. We weren't going to be. But this is the only moment where we can dabble, we can dabble a little bit. Magipore was, uh, created by Chris Claremont. Chris Claremont.

Chris Claremont. Magiore was created by Chris Claremont. It debuted in the new mutants, but it is big in Wolverine lore. It is basically based on Singapore. And the best way I can describe it is like Madjapur, especially for the X-Men, is where you go when you're down,

dirty, trying to get like that, like, violence ready. You're killing ninjas, your drugs are being. being dealt, that's really where the black trade market of the Marvel universe is set. Did I miss anything about Magic War for people who don't know? I just think it's an important jumping off point for a while

I think the mutes are going to be in the MCU. Actually, there is on the gate of, did you notice that the X insignia on the gate there? I didn't want to bring that up because you claim me being thirsty, but I saw the exsignia. I was like, is this? Is this?

Are we doing this? They're talking about, So there's a part where the flag smashers are talking about rescuing kids from camps, okay? The reality is that the kids that they could be rescuing from those camps, and I'm sure this is not novel that everybody who watched the episode might be thinking this could be mutants. Could be mutants that are behind that inside of that gate or whatever place they were outside of right there. This is the New York Reaction show. So we haven't had time to go through all of the theories and kind of get all of that stuff out there. But yeah, it seems like Madrapore is going to be very important to expanding the MCU

and maybe perhaps bringing the mutants back into it. Sharon Carter comes back. We get to Madrapoor and she is now dealing art on the black market there. You know, Sam and Buck go into a place with Zemo. They are trying to get leads and clues to find out where the power broker is. They run it to some hairy stuff. Sam gets a call. they kind of end up running into Sharon Carter.

Sharon Carter sort of tries to help them get in touch with the power broker yet again. It's very clumsy the way I'm putting it, but it's midnight. What did you think about her resurfacing in this episode and us touching base with a character that we haven't seen since Civil War? I personally think in the same way that Zemo's character really shined in this episode. Sharon Carter, oh man, she just had, I don't know what it was, but just,

it seemed like she grew into the character, especially now that Steve's not there, she doesn't have to be a love interest. She's bitter. She says at one point to Sam, look, you know the whole hero thing is a joke, right? The way you gave up that shield

deep down, you must know it's all hypocrisy. She was coming out guns blazing, and the main reason is because we learned in this episode, All the Avengers got some pardons, but my boy, Captain America, forgot to get one for his girl. And this is what I want to bring up. Is Steve Rogers low-key, low-key, like, he got some, that's a piece of shit moment for him. It's something I don't actually even understand.

It doesn't make any sense. I got to be honest with you. That makes absolutely zero sense. For everything that we know about Steve, it makes no sense. A, because we know at the end-to-end game, he basically goes back in time, he makes everything right, he puts everything where it needs to be. He's a very meticulous guy. Everybody gets pardoned.

He makes sure everybody's okay. But he doesn't make sure that his love interest is okay. He goes back and basically what? That's technically his great niece. He's making sure that Falcon, a man he's known for a couple years, gets a pardon and his best friend Bucky, but he forgets his great niece who he had feelings for. It makes no sense character-wise. It doesn't make any sense at all.

And also, look, I understand that she did what she did. She brought on the shield. She brought on the stuff and then she kind of had to get ghosts and go underground. But that's a huge loose end to not leave tied up. There weren't that many people that needed to be brought back into the fault, right? that there weren't that many people to where he would like forget one that needed to be brought back into the fold.

So to me personally, I understood why they did it. It was awesome to see her character. She kind of like was Black Widow Jr. in this and she had such a big, she's such a big force in the comic books. It was interesting to see her get a little bit more oxygen and I loved it.

But that did not make any sense. It just, it wouldn't make any sense that she wouldn't get pardoned. We also have to look at a world that Steve Rogers, just decided for everything that Steve Rogers did, right? Steve Rogers just left the world. He just left the world and left it

as it was, right? Just left the world. And there's a lot of chaos in that. Really, Steve Rogers' absence while all of this is happening is probably the most uncharacteristic thing that they've done with that character since they've had. And the fact that he just left.

He just got out, he just ghosted. Did enough. You guys take it from here. It's more, I will say this. Sharon is a way more interesting character with this happening, with her having like a chip on her shoulder and being like, you know what? Fuck Captain America.

Fuck you superheroes. I'm out here. I'm making money in Madrapor. So I actually think character-wise, it was great for her. It just makes no sense from what we know about everything that went down. Also, I didn't ask you. I didn't ask you. We skipped over this in Madrapore.

What did you think of the fits? Like, I have to say the fits in Madrapore were very good for the third. of them. Falcon. Zimo. Sam, especially, was looking kind of shy. He was looking shy.

You know, they walk into the club. They have the undercover. They have to like, you know, stay in character. He was looking pretty shy. Wait,

I have to ask you because you brought this up, you know, and like a white guy says something and you're like, right, but shouldn't, you shouldn't be the one saying it. What Zimo goes to, to Sam,

only an American would assume a fashion for a black man looks like a pimp. I was like, whoa, whoa, Well, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. Not for you, Barron.

You shouldn't be bringing that up. Maybe not, but I'll be honest with you. I kind of like that a little bit. I thought it was a slick-ass line. Zimo was on his ally shit a little. Like, Zimo just wanted to make sure Zimo goes, Zimo says, I'm a lot of things, man. But a racist, not one of them.

Not one of them. Zemo's like, don't put that on me. I'm a lot of things. But I'm not a racist. Like, I'm actually cool. He's pretty, surprisingly, Zimo is very woke. Although Zimo killed King Tachaka, the ruler of Wakanda. Oh, we keep forgetting that.

We keep forgetting. Maybe he feels, maybe it's maybe Zimo's white guilt for killing King Tachala, that now he feels like he has to go extra far to be down. Maybe he was reading Roots in prison. Maybe he was reading Tani Isikot's in prison. Maybe he was. Maybe he was. So they end up meeting with a doctor named Dr. Nagel.

And this guy is the guy who's responsible for the resurgence of the Super Soldier Serum. This is very interesting because they allude to the fact that the way he was able to do this was to synthesize blood that had come from Isaiah Bradley's body. Now, I don't say this outright, but that is what we are left to deduce from the fact that they're talking to him. And that's actually what Sam deduces, because you can tell by the look on his face. that he knows the super soldier, the experiments that had to happen for them to kind of get the formula

and recreate what Erskine was able to do. How deep do you think Marvel, the MCU is going to get into the government was experimenting on black people to make new super soldiers? At this particular time, Marvel, just to cross it over into the real world, Marvel couldn't have seen what was going to be happening in the real world along the time that this was coming out.

They couldn't have seen that, right? They had no way could have seen that. Do you think, like, how deep is this series going to go into the fact that this version of the American government was experimenting on black people to make super soldiers? How on the nose you think they're going to be about that? So the reason why I think they might actually go pretty deep and not to bring it back to mutants, but what I think is interesting is in the ultimate universe, they revealed, after years and years and years, that the way mutants were created in that universe was through the government. The government was experimenting on humans.

They were human-made versus in the regular 616 universe, mutants are mutants at birth. So I think that potentially Falcon and the Winter Soldier is laying breadcrumbs that the government is used to testing and making superheroes of their own. And I'm not saying the X-Men show up in this. I'm just saying I think they're setting a precedent for a government that is a little bit darker than what we believe. And it's something that they've been doing for a little bit showing how deeply integrated Hydra was. So I do think that they are going to They're going to keep tapping this mind And I don't think we've seen the last of Isaiah

I also think when we were In one of our previous episodes We are wondering why has Isaiah aged Why has he? Why hasn't he? Why hasn't he? Why has he? Oh yeah, why has he? And in this, he said like really quickly

That it was like a semi-perfected He said something that it was like a semi-stable strain of the Super Soldier Serum. So already, I think what we're leading into is that these people who have taken this Super Soldier Serum, it's going to do something weird. And I think where we're going to see that is with U.S. Agent, whether it turns him crazy,

whether it starts rapidly aging them, because we're realizing, I don't think it's perfected in the same way it was perfected with Steve. Well, no, yeah, the only doctor who ever perfected the Super Soldier Serum got it completely right was Dr. Dr. Erskine. Even in truth, they experimented,

and I think on, if you read truth, 300 guys, and most of the guys died violent, horrible deaths. Isaiah Bradley survived. One guy blew up like 20 minutes after he took the serum. So the only time it's actually been done completely right is Abraham Erskine. And then I think that, you know,

of course he's killed right after that. But so this guy getting the flak smashers to be as good as they are, as regular as they are, whatever, was an incredible achievement. He, you know, Dr. Nagel, even in the books, he's, you know, he's in truth. Like, it's an incredible achievement what he did. Let's talk about the flaskmasters specifically themselves.

All the way up to the last scene that we see them in this episode, they are completely sympathetic villain types. Completely. All they're talking about is what was lost, what they want to rebuild. And we see a terrorist act at the end of this episode where Carly says,

where the guy who's talking to Carly says, what the flashmasters says to her, there were people in there. When they blow up the building, yes. But they blow up the building. There were people in there. Like, people still were inside and she says, this is the only language

that these people understand. So they're painting a picture of a group whose intentions seem to be based in what they've lost, what they're trying to get back, but who should, who show that they're willing to kill innocent people

to get the ends of what they're trying to do. The means to their ends, if some people have to die, then some people have to die. What did you think, what did you come away with thinking about the flash smashes after this episode? I mean, like, I was,

now that you brought it up, I thought the flash smashers have been probably the weakest of the elements of the show so far. It's like the least, or at least the least compelling. And I didn't know when we would get the villain turn. And Carly, I believe either it's not, it's a mother figure.

I don't think it's her biological mom. But a mother figure in her, like, dies. And that seems to be the thing that like snaps her. And the flag smashers go from sympathetic to basically terrorists. So I do think that this was a necessary step to get them there. But I'm still kind of left wanting with like, why are they here? like go back to Zemo, they're kind of boring. Is that harsh?

No, it's not harsh. I think they serve as a device to make people care about why they're more enhanced people. I don't know if we care about the flag smashers as much as we care about how they got their powers. Because I think that how they got their powers is the more dangerous part of this entire ride. Like, why are they enhanced? Who did this? Who is enhancing people? This is outside.

It's almost like a nuclear weapon, right? The rest of the countries that have nuclear weapons are the countries that get to say who has any, who gets to have nuclear weapons, right? So it's like the America has the Avengers. Like we have the Avengers. The Avengers exist. So they don't want any more people because that just creates more problems. So what they're saying is, hey, who is making more people?

Who is conducting more tests? Who is doing this stuff? out going through what are the proper channels, which I guess would be government-type shit. Well, we realized that it was Hydra first, and then the CIA were the people who were, or the government arm that was backing it, and then now the power broker,

and the thing that I find, like, so fascinating is that, like, Zima was right. Like, technically Zima was right. His whole thing was, like, superheroes are bad. There should be no superheroes. And the whole reason they had to break him out is Zima was the only person, who kind of predicted that this is the natural conclusion of the Avengers and their relationship to the government.

Like, people are going to try to create more weapons of mass destruction. And in the MCU, it just so happens to be superheroed beings. Vision said that. Vision said our strength invites conflict. You know what I mean? And it was, and it's a true thing. And it's like, you look at it the same way. You look at a real world situation.

You look at countries that go, listen. And by the way, I'm not a crazy go-build nuclear war, a nuclear weapons guy. I'm fucking, listen. If you ever listen to the T2 podcast with me and Bill, then you know, I terrified of nuclear war. Really? That's what are your fears, man?

Oh, fuck it. Hell yeah. Did you, wait, are you old enough where you had to hide under the desks? Come on, man. Sorry, I had to get that one in. Continue. Come on, come on. You know, God damn it.

God damn it, bro. You're ripping the midnight boys apart. Am I old enough where you have to hide a- No, man, we have a beef brewing, so we can't be out of beef, right? We can't have internal beef. You're ripping the midnight boys apart. You know what?

I'm obsessed with the hiding under the desk people. I'm obsessed with that. We didn't have to hide under the desk, but I did grow up in the 80s, and the 80s were, I guess, crescendo of the Cold War. I mean, obviously the Cuban Missile Crisis was as tense as it.

ever got. But there was a second arms race that happened in the 80s where, you know, Ronald Reagan and all of these guys that didn't really end until later on in the decade. Obviously, the Soviet Union fell apart. You know, Gorbachev and Reagan ended up. They had glass notes and it, you know, it was like a bunch of different things. But yeah, I was scared of it. I was scared of it because there were movies being made about it. And I was also scared of it because of one thing that my father did, which I think is one of the more outrageous things that a person

has ever done to a child. Me and my dad are watching the movie Silverado. So Varado is a Western. I know if you've ever seen it. I have not. Okay, it's a great Western. So we're watching the movie, and my father looks at the horse and carriage and, you know, all of that stuff. It's an old town western time. It's an old town road. Shout out

to that video and not to Satan. But, so he says, hey, the world's going to be just like that again. I'm a remember, I'm like seven or eight at this point. And I'm like, he's like, it's on cable. He says, the world's going to be just like that again. I was like, why?

He was like, oh, because Reagan is going to drop that bomb. I'm like, what? Wait, was he kidding? Was he just fucking with you? Fuck, no. I understand so much more about the way, the way you are than. Like, this is like a defining moment. Hell no, he wasn't kidding.

He said, and I said, what do you mean? And he said, well, the Soviet Union got bombs. and we got bombs and they got bombs and if they shoot their bombs and if we shoot our bombs it'll be a chain reaction and it will blow up the entire world and I

fucking freaked out a couple of weeks later we had to draw pictures in class and it was like an art show where the people were going to come around and other kids were drawing like dragons and stuff like that you know what I drew a Soviet soldier and an American soldier hugging.

And they asked, like, why did you draw this? I was like, because I want us to be friends with them so that there's no killing. I remember about, I was in the first grade. What? I remember, like, so I must have been a little, I was just like in the first grade. I remember a teacher's like, yo, why are you thinking about that? And like, why, like, why is that on your mind? Did that have a meeting with your parents?

They're just like, yo, what is going on in the, in the Lathan House soldiers? She brought it up, you know, my daddy said? stay out my goddamn household. I say whatever I want to my son. Don't worry about it. I'm telling you. Coming in high. Stay out my goddamn household.

I say whatever I want to my son. Don't even talk about that. So yeah, so this is a little digression. I digress. It's a true story. I digress. But the reality is that, you know, you see countries now, there's a corollary there. You see countries now that figure, hey, we're going to get pushed around unless we have nuclear weapons.

And you could see that living in this MCU world with their avenges exist, where there have been, you know, aliens to come and try to destroy half the planet, where it would be natural for people to think we don't matter unless we have superpowers. Unless we have superpowers, we do not matter. Nobody's going to care about us. Nobody's going to care about what's going on with us. And essentially this is like a sort of a non-proliferation show where people are trying to make sure that they're not dirty bombs in the form of superheroes

that are making their way around the world. And this is the first episode where we try to see that. Whoever is giving people superpowers, we have to stop because the cost could be too high. Bar. Bar. Loving it. Okay. At the end of this, we get a surprise.

Hey, yo! One of the members of the Dormelage pops up. We get to Latvia. Shout out to Chris Saff's presentation. thing is we get to Latvia. We're still on the hunt, the trail of the power broker, and we see the Dormelage pops up here.

What do you think this means? Because I don't really have very many theories going for it. I know they want Zemo. They've wanted Zemo. Zemo killed their king. They first wanted Buck thinking that Buck killed their king, but they want Zemo. What do you think this means for the future of the series? I was surprised when that

happened, and I'm surprised it happened in this episode because, like, they just broke Zimo out. And I'm like, Wakanda's going to have to do something, but like I can't see it popping up. And now, like, damn, I think it just introduces another enemy because the United States can't be backing Falcon and Bucky anymore because they found out that the CIA is making superheroes, all of Europe looking for them. And now they got the greatest nation, the highest technology nation in the world.

So it's like a very like espionage thriller thing where it's just like. Like, now they are truly men without a nation, which speaks to, like, honestly, Sam's journey of becoming Captain America. Because if your own country doesn't trust you, how are you going to run around wearing the flag? So I think that why I don't think they're going to go to Wakanda. I think they're going to dispatch with the Dora Milage pretty fast because we only have three more episodes. But I do think it's just another wrinkle of how does Captain America become Captain America? when his own government and the world does not trust it. I agree with you in terms of that.

I don't think there's been too much time on it. I will say this. I don't know the last three episodes of this. We're halfway. There's only three more. Oh, three more. The last three episodes of this have kind of a lot of work to do to make either of these guys Captain America.

So much work. Like, we're almost still at the beginning of that. Like, it doesn't seem as if there's been any... These last three episodes are really going to have to focus on that. And we're going to do something right now. We're going to do two more things before we go. The first thing we're going to do is something that this episode didn't do, which is give a little oxygen to John Walker and Battlestar.

They're in one scene at the beginning. I didn't even forgot about it. I did too. I think that one scene was very telling two things. Number one, John Walker curses. Yes. And I think that was very, very important that they had him curse. He said something is bullshit.

Because remember, Steve Rogers before when in age of Ultron, Iron Man let one slip, and Steve Rogers corrected him. He said, watch your language. There's a purity and a decency about Steve Rogers that, you know, John Walker as Captain America doesn't seem to have. And you saw, even in the one scene that they had him in at the beginning, because they're on the tail of those flashmasters as well. And I'm 100% certain that we'll see them.

the Captain American and Battlestar more than the next episode, that they're starting to draw kind of lines between who John Walker is and who Steve is. What do you think they're going to take his character? Because we have no clue. What do you think, where do you think his character is going to go? Well, I think we already, not just the cursing, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think I saw in any of the Captain America movies or the Avengers.

Steve ever crossed that line where he's threatening civilians. to get what he wants. Yeah, that was even bigger. You're right. You know? And it's like, I think we're already starting to see that, I'm going to call him U.S. agent because he's not my Captain America. We're already seeing U.S. agent is a real soldier,

where we were talking earlier in the episode where Steve is still guided by his moral compass, above all, above the army, above the government, above the Avengers. He's always going to fight for what he believes is right. And I think we're seeing with U.S. agent that it's always about the mission for him. It's always about like good old boys doing what we need to do for our government. And I think we're going to see the natural conclusion of that. If the CIA was working on making superheroed beings, we already know where U.S. agent lands on this. And it's not on the side of Falcon and Winter Soldier.

Yeah, I'm looking to see, I'm looking forward to seeing a little bit more of John Walker and them kind of all clash. I think a lot of things are happening. I think we understand a little bit more about the flag smashers. I think we understand a little bit more about the dynamic between Sam and Buck. I think we understand a little bit more about, even from that one scene, U.S. agent and Battlestar. And we're also going to see Sam probably try to reconcile the history of the government that he feels like he's fighting for because of what happens with Isaiah Bradley. They got a lot of work to do in three episodes, but they've been able to do it thus far. I really enjoyed this episode.

I thought it was great. It was different. It had very much the feel of Captain America Winter Soldier. And to a degree, I mean, the only reason why I say Winter Soldier and not Civil War is because Civil War was so grandiose because of the superpower beings that were in it, this one felt like his feet were a little bit more on the ground. But I enjoyed it. I definitely enjoyed it.

But they have so much story to cover in the next three weeks. I think they can pull it off because I'm honestly surprised. I'm honestly surprised. We already got Isaiah Bradley, Madrepoor, Zimo, and Sharon Carter in the first three episodes. So it's not what they're moving very, very quickly. They're doing that thing. They're doing that thing. Okay, real quick, before we go, uh, a little, let's do a little postmortem on, on Godzilla and King Kong.

We talked a little bit about it, but we didn't, you know, I did a whole podcast about it. I was listening to the podcast. I enjoyed it. What did you think? What did you think about that? Amazing. You loved it. I loved it.

Now, caveat, if I had paid like $30, like me and my girl went to go see it, if I paid $30 in a theater, I would be very bad. Oh, interesting. Why is that? Because it's like, it was the perfect, like, oh, man, I don't have to pay anything besides a subscription to see this movie. I could shut off my brain. Like, I can eat whatever I want.

Like, I could check my phone. Cool. Like, if I was in a theater and I actually had to, like, concentrate on the plot of it, I would have been like, nope, no, no, no, no. But, like, at home in bed, I was just like, This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. But I talked, like, I have a piece coming now. I talked to two scientists, friends.

One studies primates. One studies lizards. And I was watching it, and I couldn't get it out of my mind. The science of this was so backwards. My man Kong had so much to offer. Had so much to offer in this battle. So many smarts that he should have shown that never showed up. He has such a huge brain compared to Godzilla, tiny lizard brain, and didn't use it at all and got washed.

And that's what, like that would upset me. It upset. You just fucked clean over Godzilla. You called Godzilla a tiny lizard brain. He has a tiny lizard brain. You sound like a woman breaking up with her boyfriend. And you know what? And you got a tiny lizard brain, by the way.

I never even told you that. I never even told you that. I know Godzilla was win. This whole time I've been lying. You know tiny lizard brain ass. Aha, I told all my girls, you got a tiny lizard brain. Like, you diss the shit out of Godzilla. All right, Godzilla can't communicate.

Kong can communicate. And he can communicate. Khan no sign language. All right. So you're telling me, like, I knew Godzilla was going to win. But you're telling me that they didn't, the directors, the writers didn't do Kong dirty throughout this whole film. It did.

This is the only thing I'll say about this. If the atomic breath is that big of a deal, then you got to give Kong a special power to. They gave him a axe. Without the axe, he got washed even more. The axe, the fucking axe from Hollow Earth, the axe is what kept him from getting washed even more. They had to bring out Stormbreaker for him not to get his issue. Also, they over did it. Like, if he had just, like, one, but my man Godzilla put his foot on Kong's chest and he like, what?

What? And I was like, all right, guys, we get it. The fight scenes were amazing now. The fight scenes were incredible. I honestly think that my brain shut off for most of like the human parts but when like the first time like

Kong like just like bitch slap Godzilla I was like oh shit we're in this movie I had a great time did you like it I did like it it was pretty good I know it was good because me and my brother ended up having stupid fights about it and my brother asked me he asked me he said yo you think

Neo could be King Kong and I'm like that's a stupid it was like a stupid thing. All right, that's a dumb question, but could he? So here's the thing about it. It's a dumb question, but here's the thing. So where are we at? Are we in the Matrix?

Because if we're in the Matrix, then obviously he could be King Kong, right? If we're in the Matrix, if we're inside the Matrix, then obviously, and first of all, we should be asking if he could be Godzilla, because Godzilla destroyed King Kong, right? So, number one. But let's, if he's in a Matrix, then obviously he could be. If he's outside the Matrix and he's in his usual, universe, then who is Neo?

No one. Right, right. So if you give Neo all the power, so Neo really can't exist outside the Matrix. Because if Neo has any powers to be inside the fight, that he has to have the powers to move the reality around. And if he has the power to move the reality around, that he's essentially Franklin Richards of wherever he's at and he can do whatever he wants. Oh, you just did, you went super, like, you're the guy who's just like, but well, like, what

the rules of the universe. Just answer the question. Neo-Or can go. You can't, but you can't answer that question. All right, so I'll give you, I'll give you a better one. Okay. Dominic Torreto, Dominic Torado, and all, everybody in the Fast Five universe from that movie versus Godzilla. Who wins?

They're going to find a way. I'm sorry. That's the right answer. They shouldn't be able to, they shouldn't be able to win. It should be in no contest. But I'm telling you, Dom is going to shoot a tow cable from the end of a fucking 1968 Chevy Nova

souped up with a nuclear powered engine and he's going to shoot the tow cable around the end of King Kong's fucking tail. He's going to drive down King Kong's back. The whole time, Tyrese is going to be somewhere like,

what are you doing, Dom? And Dom's going to go, I know it's crazy. But I live my life. One fan at a time. Foo! And he's going to go up there and he's going to, they're going to throw Cog into the water.

And then after they get into the water, like a Ludacris is going to be in the water. He's going to have hacked a nuclear submarine because remember, remember, Lucrez started off as a guy, he started off as a guy who ran an auto body stop. Yes. And he became Mark Zuckerberg over the course of like three or four movies.

He became the smartest person on the team. The smartest person. was just like a DJ and like the auto body guy. I'm not saying he didn't have it in him. I'm just telling you what happened. He became a world-class universal, a world-class universal hacker. So he's in the water with a,

he's hacked a nuclear sub and he's driving it because he knows how to do that. It's intuitive. And they say, hit it! And then they drag Godzilla into the water and they drowned him or something. like that. I just want to see

Hobbs just take off his shirt and be like Hobbs bows to no one. Yeah, Hobbs, I'm telling you, Hobbs, they would drop Hobbs on Tabo Godzilla with some primitive weapon like a big ass wrench or something like that. Hey, here's a rich from the submarine. It's a submarine wrench, Hobbs. But Hobbs is so fucking strong, he can lift it.

And so, I'm telling you, they will find a way. They will find a way. They would beat him. They would find a way. And also, before we go, I just have to address something. All right. Sure. Okay. Our producer, Steve, also a producer on TV concierge.

And, you know, the boys over there, Shea Serrano, Logan Murdoch. They called us out. They called Mallory Rubin. They called the ringer verse out. They called the ringer verse out. Yeah. Hey, here's my thing.

Like, Steve, can I get some flex bombs? They think just because the two of us are on TV concierge anymore, they could take the crown. But the crown isn't for the taking. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. I mean, the South.

something to say on the ringerverse. You feel me? Hell yeah. The South's got something to say. I tell you, I tell Logan Murdoch something right now. Whoa. Yo, Logan, bro, your head not even big enough to fit my crown, bro.

Oh, look at my cap. Look at my cap. Look at my cap. I'm on the last two buttons on my cap. Woo. I'm the last two buttons on my cap. And that's why all that shit you talk on TV concierge, that shit is cap. It's big cap.

We're ready for it. It's the midnight boys. Drop that bomb. Let's go. We get the fuck out of here. We love y'all, by the way. We love you, guys. We love both you out, by the way.

All right. We are out. Listen, Tuesday, Mallory's show is going to have a deeper dive into episode three of the Falcon and Northern Soldier. Also, all of your mailback questions. So any of your mailback questions that you have, send them in

to us on our socials at Ringerverse on all social. You have to follow us and the show Whatever pops up We're gonna cover it Whatever you want to hear about it We're gonna cover it's the mid and I got out before we go The people told me to ask you

For once they weren't grilling me They hate how you say There's no such word as Thanos How do you pronounce it? Thanos Ayo Ayo Thanos

Thanos Guys I tried I tried for you They want you to pronounce it Thanos So Can we get a Thaneus? Wait, no, I'm saying Thanos now.

Recipes, recipe short and low. Hey, that's a good place to get. Thanos. Thanos. Thanes. All right, we outta here, man.