The Ringer-Verse - The Flash and DC FanDome News, Plus Recasting 'Batman' | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

The Midnight Boys come in ready to discuss all of the latest exciting news from this weekend's DC FanDome event including the newest trailer for 'The Batman' (06:13), the Flash (20:20), Black Adam (25:49) and much more! Later, they conduct a recast of their own Batman film with a new segment Pitch Please and share the type of Batman film they would like to see (48:53). Hosts: Van Lathan and Charles Holmes Producer: Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Additional Production: TD St. Matthew-Daniel and Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are, Jomey the Explanator at Dinner, huh? Steve the Angel Alvin. Old Man Van Lange. and Coke baby Chuck 24-carat closer Charles Holmes. But together, we are known as the Midnight Boys. Let me tell you why Steve's nickname has changed. Steve, it's possible that with the John Gruden situation last year, that we might have taken the six Steve moniker,

maybe a little too far. Yeah. I had a friend of mine listen to the podcast and was like, look, it's one thing to get on a white boy at a podcast. This is another thing to call that man John Gru. In the same week, he's like, y'all got to stop. I had you over at my house van. Yeah.

We had some pizza. We had pizza And like I will say that when we had the pizza I did take a buy of the pizza And did wait to see if there was any effects To me or Jomey To see if you had poison the pizza It came I walked in with the box

I don't know who you know And the delivery people This could be some whole Tyler Darden shit You know how they knew all the people that You see you turn this apology Into back I'm sorry They really can't apologize

I'm sorry I can apologize for shit I'm sorry I'm sorry We have pizza It was great Steve is not sick He's actually... Can I ask you a quick question, a real question?

Steve, the ally, Almond. Oh, no. That's the nice. Steve, the ally. We're double it. Oh, I love that. Van, I have to ask you a very quick question. Let's go.

How many white people have you apologized to two in your life? One. Steve's the first one. That's quite an honor. Quite an honor. Matter of fact, Steve, you owe me an apology. You owe me an apology because I'm apologizing. Black Man should ever.

I apologize. That's all right. Steve the ally. So there it is. Steve the ally all. So we love Steve. We kid, guys. All right, program reminders.

We're changing it up this week. We're changing it up this week. The Midnight Boys are coming at you today on a Monday. Then again, on Friday to give our reactions to Dune. Dune has Timothy Shalomay in it. It's a lot of good looking people in this Dune movie. You guys want to go check it out for a lot of stuff. But we haven't seen it yet.

So we're going to come back Friday with our reactions to Doom. Then Monday the 25th Mal of Joanna, okay, the Thelma and Louise of the Ringer, except they're not going over any cliffs and any cars. They live, but they're rebels. They take what they want. They take the takes, which is why. They're going to be giving us their deep dive on Dune as well. So we're going to have reactions to Dune.

deep dive dune. A lot of stuff there. I have a feeling that when it's all said, Dune is going to be a piece of fandom that everybody is going to have an opinion on. Do not forget to follow Ringiverse on social Facebook group, Twitter and Instagram. The Facebook is almost at 4,000.

We got to keep it going. Jomi needs new clothes for school. Yeah, Jomey's wearing a fake jersey today. I don't want to say anything. Jomey's wearing a Modell's USC jersey. Jersey today. That's not what we want. We want to see him with the real one with the stitching. That's an iron on. Let's keep you real. Listen.

Is that an iron on yesterday? I have no idea. My dad bought it for me. Your dad? He absolutely did. See, I didn't know who's this bad, Jomey. What are you? My dad went to the store. He was like, Jomi loves U.S.C. I'm going to buy this for him. And he gave it to me as a gift. What's the problem? God forbid my dad do

something nice for me. And when he says the store, he means his dad went to 7-Eleven. And it was a Jersey department. And he It was probably Ross or Marshalls, but I appreciate it. I appreciate it nonetheless. Thank you, Father. Shout out Jomey's dad.

Thank you. On today's show, we are going to be diving into all of the great announcements and news from this weekend's D.C. Fandome situation, as well as recasting and pitching our own version of a Batman film. Now, the trailer for the Batman was by far, I feel like, the star of D.C. fandom. And so we want to talk about like, what if we made our own Batman film? We're going to cast it, pitch it, have our own story arc, our own villain, our own allies, all kinds of stuff. That's going to be later on after we touch in with fandom. So, but right now, to start, I think everybody's waiting for us to talk about it.

We have to talk about all things that are DC. And I don't know what we could possibly be spoiling because it's all right there. It was a three-hour event or something like. that. But just because this is what we have to do, because of the current times, people talk about cancel culture, but what they should really be talking about is spoiler

culture, because I don't know why we have to do this. We haven't seen any of this shit. We're actually going to run this, run the warning. We're getting ready to talk about DC fandom. You're listening to a reaction podcast.

The spoilers are coming. I guess they are. Okay, movies. Start up with the movies. A lot of movies came out there. A lot of content we got from DC fandom, Charles. Huge slate of things. I feel like DC has so much going on right now.

So much going on. So many properties coming out. But we're, of course, going to start with the Batman. Your overall feelings of what you got out of the Batman. Are you stoked? Are you ready to go? What's your deal? The first Batman teaser that dropped a while ago,

it might have been like almost a year ago. At that point, I was a little lukewarm on. This one has me on board. I'm ready. Matt Reeves is my guy. The Planet of the Apes films are amazing. I think that I'm a little bit nervous. We could talk about why I'm nervous about a few things. But overall, man, you got to talk about a catwoman looking amazing. You know what I'm saying? Just for that is worth the price of admission alone. Okay, if we want to be real. So here's what I want people to understand about what is I'm about to say. I don't want people to jump down my throat. Okay? I am of course excited for the Batman movie. I don't feel. like, and maybe I'm in the minority, that the images and the tone that we've seen from the Batman thus far are some kind of wild deviation from the versions of the characters we've been getting on screen for the last 15 and 20 years.

I didn't see anything in that trailer that made me go, Jesus Christ, what a new, fresh, amazing take on Batman. Am I just tripping? You are not tripping. When we were texting about this over the weekend, I tended to agree with you. I love Matt Reeves. I think Robert Pattinson's going to make a great Batman. I think the thing that I'm a little bit worried about is that this is just kind of the dark Batman.

And I'm not saying we need a light Batman, but it's just kind of like we've gotten Christian Bail and Nolan's version. We got Zach Snyder and Ben Affleck's version. This doesn't seem like that radical of a departure, in my opinion. This just kind of seems like, oh, we're doing another Batman film. Everybody's changed, but the tone is exactly the same. The imagery is exactly the same. If we want to be real, this could have just been like the fourth Nolan movie. Well, from what we have so far, we don't know, right?

Of what we have seen, that's not me dissing the movie. That's just saying I saw a lot of people, a chatter over the weekend. A lot of people were excited, but a lot of people were like, is this just kind of what we're going to get now? It's just making Batman darker and grittier every single time we reboot the franchise. And I think the thing that I enjoyed about Afflex Batman was that I feel like as almost a break I wanted maybe a more superheroy Batman. Yes.

Or at least a Batman who was not at the beginning of his career. What I liked about Affleck's Batman was he's a little bit older, he's a little bit wiser, he's been doing this for a while now. And that to me is like interesting. It seems like with the Robert Pattinson, even if we're not going back to like Batman Begins level, we are going back to an earlier version of Batman at this point. how many early versions of Batman

have you seen in your life on the big screen? Is this the fourth, fifth? I mean, yeah, we've seen, well, no, actually, this might be the fifth. The fifth early version of Batman? No, how could it be? What are you talking about? Burton.

Well, see, it's unclear. Well, no, he says, tell all your friends about me. I'm the Batman, so definitely he was at the beginning there. But they don't take you through the origin of him. Like, we don't watch him build the Batcave. We don't watch him, like, it seems like as almost he had, he was doing something, but maybe it's unclear.

in that one, like how, where Batman was starting from, how much of his bat skills he had acquired, he seemed pretty fully formed. Whereas in Batman Begins, it's literally Batman begins. Yes. Yeah. So interesting to the, but to your point, it makes sense. I'm just saying, not that I'm not super excited for the Batman. It's just, I look at it and I'm like, okay, dark Gotham City. It's raining all the time.

we have much more serious versions very decommic-booked versions of the Riddler of the penguin of Catwoman and it seems very familiar in a way not that I'm not excited but it seemed very familiar Steve Steve the ally

We gotta get at Steve bro had a very very polarizing tweet Steve tweeted that just based off this trailer that you felt like Matt Reeves was coming for Christopher Nolan. You said that he's basically putting Christopher Nolan's Batman on notice, didn't you?

On notice. Nolan is on Packwatch. So I'm very glad that you brought this up because I do want to help you along with reading this tweet because I'll say what I said after this tweet is that a lot of you people aren't seeing the question mark after that sentence. I'm asking, is Matt Reeves coming for Christopher Nolan's brand? No, no, no, no, no, no, but let's be real, Steve. The level of disrespect that you even had to answer that question, that's like being like, is Kyle Kuzma, is Kyle Kuzma the next LeBron?

Question mark, no. Now you're getting me and Joe me mad, so. It's a bad tweet, Steve. It's a bad tweet. The question mark doesn't matter. Because the question mark does nothing. No, it does nothing. It does.

It's pointless. The question mark does nothing. All right. Oh, I was just asking the question. No. look, by the way, maybe you feel that way. Say it with your chest if you do. Yeah, don't back away.

And this is what I'm getting to. I do feel like we're a long, far, far away from the dark night. And I think if there's something that's going to be said about what it's going to take for Matt Reeves to make his stamp on a sort of legacy that we kind of crowned Batman films across time here, I think it poses the question what it might take. And we actually have a listener submitted question today that would ask that very same question. And I'll play that right now. What's up, good night, boys. My name is Vince. I am a big fan from Toronto.

I just had a quick question. What do you think the chances are that the Batman movie with Robert Pattinson will be better than Batman the Dark Night? If so, if there's any chance at all, what would it take for it to surpass the Dark Night as the goat Batman film? Thanks for your time. Hope you have some answers. I think there's two big things. And I think this is a heavy order. We don't really appreciate

how much the Dark Night not just change superhero movies, but change Hollywood. You know, I think Sean brought up a good point where it might have been on the watch where if you look at Daniel Craig's Bond, Daniel Craig's Bond is essentially them being like, what if we did Batman Begins,

but it's Casino Royale? When you look at those three movies, everybody started trying to be more and more like the dark night. I think that's the thing. Can Matt Reeves' Batman change the way we think about modern action genre cinema? That's a heavy thing. That's what Nolan did, especially with the middle one, but I would say the whole trilogy. The other thing is that Heath Ledger had one of the greatest performances of all time.

He did a lot to legitimize just superhero movies as not just junk. as something that people are like, oh, we have to contend with these things as not just like popcorn flicks, but cinema. I don't know if Matt Reeves can do that. A lot of that is just luck. A lot of that is finding the right actor at the right time with the right script in the right context. We've had so many superhero movies from now.

Can he accomplish that? I don't know, but that's the bar he has to, like, clear. Very well said, this is what I think. This is what would have to happen. You take Burden's Batman. and you have Schumacher's Batman. Burden's Batman, Schumacher's Batman have the same DNA. It was the same type of looking suit.

It was the same story type, right? They had defined Batman for the better part of a decade, those two guys. Now, Schumacher eventually took Burden's Batman and fucking sullied it with Batman and Robin, but people forget that Batman Forever was seen. as a pretty good sequel to Batman Returns. Batman Forever, not a lot of people have bad feelings about that movie. I was just thinking about it a couple of days ago. Batman Forever was fine.

People think about Schumacher's tenure as the director of the movies as being a disaster, but it's really just a one film. What Nolan was able to do was recraft the world of Batman in a familiarly unfamiliar way, meaning the DNA of the character remained what it was, but he actually added to the mythos of who Batman is. Like he established the specter of Thomas Wayne and not just as a martyr to like haunt Bruce,

but as something that he aspired to be, like, no as Batman made you not worship Batman. It made you kind of understand him in a very cinematic way, right? In a very grounded and real way. redefine the character. In order for Matt Reeves to live up to what Nolan did

with Batman, to modernize the character, to give us a more 360 psychological view of the character, to draw out a world with very finite and real rules, he would have to do that same thing.

And by the way, that's hard. That's hard, that's hard to Charles's point because there's also some timing that's in there. there's also a landscape that exists.

They gave Nolan something and said, hey, go do this, do whatever you want. It doesn't have to, like, factor into any bigger things. These are a self-contained deal. He rethought all of it. He basically moved the whole thing. Batman, like, Gotham City became Chicago. Everything looked different.

It felt different. It was Batman because he said it was Batman, but it felt like something brand new. That's hard. And to say that, Matt Reeves is going to do that, poses that he even could at this point with as much superhero stuff as we've been getting.

So I'm not going to say he's not. I'm just saying, damn. And based on what I saw, you can tell that he's directly influenced by Nolan's Batman just because of the way everything looks, because of the takes on the villains, because of how serious, because of the tone.

It seems like that's the guy that almost he's not copying, but he's inspired by. So we could be wrong, but that's going to be hard to do, Steve. I believe it. It sounds like we're being very negative. I think if anyone, Matt Reeves is, well, not negative.

I think we are just setting the stakes of just like, hey, we're also forgetting that Nolan did not have the MCU to contend with, or at least the MCU in its current state of being the center of super superhero culture. We did not understand, like, oh, this is the type of superhero movies we want. When, like, Batman begins, the Dark Night was coming out. He was like, all right, shit, we got a good superhero movie with Matt Reeves. Like, he got to go up against, like, Dr. Strange will probably, Dr. Strange 2 will probably

bring in as much money as the Batman. And that's just a different cultural climate that we're in. You know what I mean? That was not the climate that we were in when Batman begins the Dark Night and the Night Returns was dropping. So Steve, you're trying to back off that shit or you stand by it? I'm fucking energized. I fucking love Matt Reeves. It's

because of that. I love Matt Reeves too, but why would you post the question? I'll tell you why. It's because every single turn, at every single moment that I've seen news about this, casting, trailers, images, every time I never would have thought that something like this works. When you hear Robert Pattinson as Batman,

I think that's an inspired choice. Andy Circus is Alfred. Yes. Like, it's firing on all cylinders, and I'm like, I don't know why. I never would have thought about these things. Every single thing that this movie is showing me, I don't think of immediately when I am looking to see a new Batman. You don't because I had this same feeling when they're like,

oh, Christian Bales, Bruce Wayne. Exactly. When they said Christian Bales, Bruce Wayne, for some reason, I was like, ah, that makes a lot sense. I felt like he was right there for that. I don't know why. By the way, Batman Begins came out with a lot less fanfare than almost any other Batman movie.

And I also want to correct myself. Batman Begins was a true cinematic experiment in a lot of ways. Oh, it was not as big as people. I remember when it came out, it was like, it did well, but it was not this cultural force. Right. You know what I mean? But then when you hear Robert Pattinson as Batman,

that's a contentious choice. Like that's not going to get people some kind of way. I'm not going to hold y'all. I was in an Applebee's when I found out this news. and at first I was like Robert Patterson as Batman but you think about it for like two minutes and you're like hey I can see it

you know what I'm saying like he could act like the the unhinged of Bruce Wayne of Batman you know what I'm saying like the mental aspect I think he'd kill it and they're going for that in this movie

so yeah I'm excited to see him as Batman honestly I think he can rock it I think he's gonna kill it I think the movie's gonna be great I think things are gonna be look like I said it's not

a crazy departure from what we've already seen, but I think the movie's going to be fantastic. And I just want to do a quick, like, fact check. I just did the years. Well, I think it's a stretch to say that Casino Royale was based off Batman Begins. I definitely think Skyfall is definitely the dark night. I definitely think it.

I just want to. The fact check is also. Just come on the podcast with the bullshit. Okay. We also got a sneak peek of the flash, guys. The Flash sneak peek. And a lot of the things that we have been suspected about this movie, of course.

We're kind of confirmed in sneak peek. Number one, it was very heavy on the El Miguel Keaton. How does it feel that Boomer Batman is back? You feel good, Van? Sure, of course. Why got me Boomer? He's a Boomer. He's a Boomer Batman.

I know, but why you got to play with Michael Keaton like that? We don't do that to your Batman. Yeah, because my Batman is the best Batman. Who, Christian Bell? Yeah. You think Michael Keaton was better than Christian Bell? Yep. Fuck out of here.

What? Yep. In what way? In what way? You gotta... You gotta feel it's my father. It's my dad.

I want to do what my dad does. Of course they're gonna say Christian Bell. I don't give up... Everybody's just to say Christian Bell. And I like Michael Keaton. I fuck with Batman Returns. But no, bro. We're not doing this.

Yeah, at least Michael Keaton was the star of his own movie. all of them. Anyway, so the flash sneak peek, Michael Keaton providing the voiceover for the teaser footage. This is a movie that to me has held the most wonder in fandom circles with. It's almost like DC's No Way Home. So did this

trailer, after all this time, waiting to get this trailer, did this trailer deliver on the hype and the vibe? do you know or feel any more excited or informed about what specifically this Flash movie is going to be now that you've seen this? Well, I mean, I don't think we should call it a trailer. It was like a teaser of a teaser.

But of what we got, I'm hyped. Because I think the Flash has been one of the more underserved superheroes in terms of transporting what makes him so cool in the comic books to the screen. That's nothing against the CW Flash. I watched that probably for three or four seasons. But yeah, there's limitations. And I think the Flash in the Snyder movies just didn't have a lot to do. The suit was still in development.

When I saw the suit in this, I was like, oh, okay, they did it. He looks cool. Like, he got the upgrade. When I saw it, it made me excited for the prospect of getting a Flash movie, which, to be honest, I was worried about this movie because it has been pushed back. Directors have changed. And I'm like, I don't know what we're going to get. And so far of the teaser, at least, I'm like, all right, we're back.

They steered the ship back on course. It looks cool. Now they all they have to do is land it. What about you? I would be shocked if this movie wasn't really, really good. Hmm. And I said that from the beginning. The source material here is too strong, man.

Flashpoint is too strong. This is my problem with DC. This is my problem with DC overall. My problem with DC is DC actually has great storytelling source material. But they never really go with it. They always go four or five different ways, try to cram a bunch of shit into one thing. It's like DC keeps,

DC keeps like fumbling around and fucking around with Superman. Just go out and do All-Star Superman. Just do that on the screen. People go crazy. Just like, do All-Star Superman. And with Flashpoint, it's such, the stakes are so high. It's just a perfect usage and view into Flash.

powers and it defines the world. It's just amazing. It's amazing. There's so many different themes in Flashpoint that work. I know this is not going to be shot for shot page for page Flashpoint, but it's taking a lot of those elements. I just think it's hard to fuck up if you have a charismatic lead and a halfway competent script. It's just very difficult to fuck it up.

And it's very superheroy when I say, you know, you're bringing in Bruce Wayne from a universe and you're doing all of this. This is the type of quirky superhero. Let's get crazy. Let's get nuts. Like, like Keaton says in the first Batman, you want to get nuts? Come on.

Go back and watch that scene where he sounds exactly like Beatles, right? He sounds exactly like Beatles. You want to get nuts? Come on. And then he puts the plate inside of it and he gets shot,

but he lives, the whole deal. That's what I like. I like this. I'm super excited. Of all the movies that came out, this is the one I'm most excited to see of all the trailers that came out. I honestly was more excited

after seeing the Flash teaser. than I was for the Batman because it's something I'm like, all right, this is new. I've never seen it before. But to your point, man, I think the major problem at DC is if we want to be honest, pound for pound, I think DC has more iconic comic books. You know, when people talk about like the Dark Night, Watchman, All-Star Superman, all of these things, they actually have those stories to do it. They just never want to do those stories.

And I'm always like, why? When you look at something like The Avengers, of course something like Age of Ultron has to happen. If I tried to sit you down and be like, could they adapt any of the Ultron comic books without going a little a stripe? People would like, no, you would have to like basically have an amalgam of all of them. With DC, they don't have that problem. You can literally just make a good flash. Just stick to the bullet points. That's all I want from them.

Stick to the bullet points. You can change some shit around. I don't care, but it's all there laid out. Don't overcomplicate it. We also got Black Adam. Black Adam sneak peek with the rock. Duane Darok Johnson

We've now learned that in this Black Adam movie Black Adam is going to go up against the Justice Society of America, the JSA. Interesting.

I want to see Hawkman on screen. I've never seen Hawkman on screen before. You haven't seen Hawkman? Hawkman's been a few of those CW shows. Yeah, but not,

I don't mean like that. Dog, why is the CW catches straight? I don't, come on, man. That's not a diss to the CW. I don't mean like that. Before we get really, really into to Black Adam, can I read you a tweet by The Rock?

Go for it. He says, quote, remember Superman's greatest weakness isn't kryptonite, it's magic. Black Adam's greatest superpower is magic. They both fly at light speed. They both are unstoppable forces, but only one will kill the other, and we know who that is.

Black Adam. Is the Rock doing a little too much? Man, shut up, Rock. Is he doing too much? Man, see, that's the type of... That's why I don't like when they have their passion project, as superhero movies. I don't like it.

This is a passion project for the Rock. The Rock's passion project should have been like Gritiron Gang. A movie that can come out and tell a very inspirational story that we don't have to care about if we don't want to. But you start going off and saying crazy stuff, look, Black Adam versus Superman, blah, blah, blah. We could do a whole. Nobody, we don't just make you a Black Adam movie.

It's coming out. Make your fucking movie. you besmirching Superman so you can be Black Adam from St. Louis. You pissed me off, by the way. You should have just let us get into the whole segment before.

You should have to end. This is my job. I don't like it. I don't like it. You don't like it? I don't like the fact that he said that. I want to hear from Jomey on this. Jomey.

Black Adam came out. You got some interviews. You got a little footage. Rate your level of excitement on the midnight meter for Black Adam. I think I've got to give it a nine on the midnight meter.

Nine of the midnight meter. Oh, well, nine out of 12. Yeah, nine out of 12. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm more excited for Batman in the Flash, but, you know, again, like, we've never seen Black Adam on screen. So it'll be interesting to see what the Rock could do, you know, when he has to win all the fights in his contract, right? Like, I'm interested to see how that goes.

Yeah. I'm interested, I'm, Black Adam is another project that has been rumored and talked about for so long. that you were like, are they ever just going to make this fucking movie? He's been wanting to do this for such a long time. It's something that he's really into. I think The Rock has played a lot of characters, but he's never had V-roll.

I don't even think Hobbs is that. I think he wants to be connected to a role. I'm serious. I think he wants to be connected to a role in the way that Robert Downey Jr. is connected to Iron Man or in a way that Chris Evans is connected to Captain America. I think The Rock wants that. I think that's the one thing

that's kind of escaped him. Hobbs is cool. Hobbs is supporting character really in Vin Diesel's movie. I mean, if we want to be real that Hobbs' shot movie wasn't great.

And I think like he kind of realizes like, oh, Hobbs, is it not going to be that? Right. So, Black Adam might. Black Adam could be.

Black Adam could be. And I will give it to him this. I think the rock is good at a thing that D.C. needs to work on. Whereas like, I think the rock is going to get them to ratchet up the action

because like we see his movies. He's like one thing you can never say about a rock movie. Rock movies aren't boring. They might be bad. But at least you'd be like, all right, this man is about to rip somebody in half. And I think we've actually never seen the rock have that type of super-powered role in the modern days.

I'm not talking about like Scorpion King or whatever that shit is. Like, I'm talking about now. All right, I get it. What? I mean, you fucked up with Scorpion King from the reason, but it's cool. So look, this is a movie about a villain. Anti-hero. Anti-hero.

Anti-hero. anti-hero villain, whatever. I tell you who's not an anti-hero. Wolverine. Wolverine is definitely an anti-hero. One of a fucking X-Men. Type it in. What are you talking about? Magneto's been an X-Men. What are you talking about? Just Google it, man.

Just Google it, man. Just type it into Google then. You're also the same man who doesn't think that Daredevil has superpowers. So can we continue? So they've made movies about villains slash anti-heroes over at D.C. before. Obviously, this is not going to be the same type of movie as Joker was. But what do you feel? like, if anything, a movie about a villain allows them to do with the character or with everyone

else. Like, are you excited about this? Are you excited that they're going a different way? And this is going to have probably like a different feeling, a different rhythm, a different tone. I'm super excited because I think the one thing, and you brought this up a couple episodes that DC runs into is that they just have iconic characters. It's so hard to get Superman right because we have the perfect on-screen Superman. With Black Adam, you don't have to worry about that. We don't have any preconceived notions. That's honestly why I think the Avengers works so well.

We didn't have an Ironman to compare Robert Downey Jr. to, so it could just be that. The reason that we're, a lot of times, I think a lot of fans are having trouble now with a lot of the newer MCU stuff. Like, let's take Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

We have a Captain America to compare the Falcon to now. So that's going to be their issue. When you have another superhero who's been doing it for years, we have so much investment in them. So that's why I think honestly, Black Adam could be really cool

because we're like, oh, we've never seen this before. We haven't seen it from the Rock. We haven't seen it from D.C. They can give us something new. Yeah, it's great. I mean, look, Anthony Mackey is a great actor

and he's going to find out his way and they're going to find a way to write that because right now we don't have two Captain America. Right now we have Captain America, and then we have a nigger in a bird suit. That's what we have. And I got to be honest with you. And so, but it like,

it's coming. They'll get it right. Mackie's great. I love the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They're going to get it right. I feel like he was more Captain America to that last episode. That's who's rough.

He said he's a niggin' a bird suit, bro. Like really? Cap. And what they say in Civil War? Bird costume. Bird costume. Come on. Remember who he said that?

That's what he looked like. Got to figure it out. Figure it out. God damn. Aquaman 2. James Wong returns. with Jason Mamoa to bring this sequel back. A movie that I really enjoyed the first time I saw it,

Aquaman, a movie that I enjoy really every time I've ever seen it. The interesting thing is, for as much as I enjoyed the movie, haven't really been clamoring for a sequel. You know how much I love the original Aquaman. Of course. Same dude. Same. Like, I've never, like, woken up.

Like, I've woken up, be like, damn, I wonder what that new Doctor Strange movie is going to be like. I haven't had, I've never. woken up and just be like, damn, I need some Aquaman 2 in my life. That's not saying I'm not excited for it. When I saw the new Black Manta costume, I was like, all right, this is going to be cool.

But still, it's not, it's not on my most highly anticipated list, which actually, I think, is working in its favor. And what I mean by that is the reason people love that for an Aquaman movie, it is good. But, like, they just had to trip over the bar. The bar for an Aquaman movie was, like, below the floor. It was subterranean.

and nobody gave a fuck. They're just like, all right, whatever, I'll go see this Aquaman movie and you sit and you watch it and you're like, oh, word, it was actually good. And I think the same exact thing for an Aquaman sequel

is going to happen. People are like, oh, I don't care about Aquaman sequel and then you go to the theater, you're like, it was good again. I think this was going to be even better. Then, of course it's going to be better. I think this was going to have

a more fully realized Manta. He looks cool. He's got his own little Trident. More characters coming into it. I think this was going to be even better. After, this was the one, to be honest with you, that after seeing the feature, right, I was most excited for. I'm going to keep it all the way gangster.

Well, I will say, if we want to be real, I think Jason Mamoa has just become a better movie star, not necessarily a better actor, but like he, when you see him in movies now, he's just way more comfortable. Like, you can tell, like, he has a swagger about him coming off of the other Aquaman and Dune, which I saw early. Like, I think he's going to imbue this. role with just that little extra oomph to make it

just a great movie. So speaking of the original movie, give it a rating on the midnight meter. All right. I think I'm going to give it 10 out of 12. I concur. Is that the first time we've ever agreed? 10 was my, I concur. This episode is brought

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Very rarely has there been a movie worthy of so much praise that didn't get any of it. It did good though at the box office. It did pretty good. It did pretty good. It did pretty good. Shazam was fun.

Shazam was heartwarming. Zachary Levi was great. Charming as hell as Shazam. Like the entire thing I felt like worked perfectly, yet it's a movie that you don't hear very much about. I'm wondering how Shazam is going to fit into what the DCEU is trying to do. And now that they've expanded all the characters to include some of the other people that we saw at the end of the original movie, they seem to be going bigger. They seem to be, the set pieces seem to be bigger, the action seems to be scaled up.

Is this going to finally be the time that the comic book going? casuals can appreciate this franchise for what it could be. I mean, hey, if Marvel is pushing all their movies back, then maybe, because there's not going to be anything to watch, but Shazam, I hope so. I think actually when I watched Sizam in the theater, I was blown away because it was so contained, and it was just so fun. And it was like, it gave me the sense of wonderment where I was always like, oh, this is the fun type of DC movie you can make without competing with the

It didn't look like an MCU movie. It didn't feel like an MCU movie, but it had the sense of, like, comedy and levity and wonder. And as long as they can keep that, and I think that's the really, really hard thing. How can you make a comic book movie that is bigger? The stakes are higher, but still keep it contained and keep it fun. Because that's where I think a lot of them screw up. If you want to know where I feel like Wonder Woman 1984 screwed up is that it just, they forgot what made the original good. In their chase to make it a bigger movie with more villains and more shit going on,

they forgot the intimate fun nature of that original. And I really hope Shazam does not do it. What happens first in the movie? Black Adam fights Shazam or Black Adam fights one of the big three DC heroes. Ooh. I think it's probably going to be Shazam. I would be surprised if there's not some at the end credits of either Shazam or Black Adam if there is not some sort of crossover.

Because those worlds have to collide at some. point. They have to. They have to. That's going to be either the third Shazam movie or they might just give it equal billing. They might just do a, yeah, a hold of that would be great. I enjoyed the movie slate that DC has coming out. DC has, like I said, an opportunity here to establish itself as a force in this fandom space. If they've gotten a lot of dollars, they haven't gotten a lot of the accolades in the hearts and minds of the nerd culture people. Not yet, but it can happen. D. D.C.'s on deck. They're ready. Their TV stuff is pretty interesting, too. Peacemaker.

My question about Peacemaker as it relates to DC fandom, it's just like one, a little bit more than that. Do you care about a peacemaker show? I'm having a whole time caring. I did not give one iota of a fuck about a peacemaker show before I watched the little thing that they showed. And now I'm actually really excited for a peacemaker show.

So shout out James Gunn. Like, I would. Like, I really thought it was funny. I thought it was, like, charming. I was like, I thought after the movie, I was like, I don't want to spend any more time with The Peacemaker. And then when I saw it, I was like, oh, this might actually be really, really, really funny and really, really good.

Maybe I'm a sap. Maybe I'm a sap. Like Steve and Joni are looking at me like I'm crazy for being kind of a little excited for. No, no, I don't think, why are you projecting? Steve, Jomey, do y'all feel that way? No, I, I'm actually with Charles on this. Like, I don't think that I could have, been excited about a peacemaker show when given the ending of the suicide squad.

But I genuinely think that James Gunn is best in his bag when he is showing you characters that are ultimately weird and not an atypical of a either hero or a anti-hero structure. And I think that like John Cena is down for a role like this. And James Gunn is kind of in his bag when he when he rocks with that. I think peacemaker as a character was interesting as a, you know, Little jokester, little sigh, you know, comedy in the Suicide Squad film. But I think, like, a James Gun-led series, like, to Steve's point, yeah, I trust James Gunn to see what he can cook up with, you know, interesting, fun character. So, yeah, man, I'll be, I'll tune in week one and see what's going on.

I want a Suicide Squad TV show. I'll be, like, this gave me Harley Quinn vibes where I'm like, I just want to see these villains, like, doing normal people shit. Yeah. Yeah, it would be good to see a little bit more of them, a little bit more. It could focus out the team a little bit. You know who I can play a piecemaker to? and I'll be interested to see the way they make this turn with the character. Another James Gunn character, Yon Do.

So Yon do in the first movie, Yon doing the first movie is a bad guy, but you know that there's something good about him, right? He's a bad guy. He's somebody that Quill is running from someone who's trying to kill Quill, and he's a ravager, right? So there's something opportunistic about him, but you can feel that there's a connection to Quill that means there is something inside Yandu that's a little different

and then that's fully realized in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, right? You can tell that there's something about him. What we don't get truly expressing to the second movie is Yondu loves Quill, but he loves him. So that's why he's not going to do anything. That's why he's not going to do. That's why he's going to give him all the second chances and stuff. He loves Quill.

I'm interested to see how they made that turn with peacemaker. James Gun is good at characters like that. how they take Peacemaker who at the end of the last movie was a mercenary willing to kill just because Waller told him to and kill characters that we had come to love Ratcatcher, you know? How, what they use to turn Peacemaker into a guy that we then root for every week, or if Peacemaker is not going to be a guy

that we rule for every week. Much like you guys, I didn't have that much interest into a Peacemaker show, But then I was like, hey, that's good work. And it also could be a way that John Cena can both develop, develop his craft a little bit more, and give him a role that he can sink his teeth into, because everybody wants that. Everybody wants that.

So I'm good on Peace, Major. We're going to give the first episode to try in January. It's going to be dry out here after December. We should give the first episode a nice spin. We'll do Peace. We'll do Peacemaker. Why not? Why not?

Give the fans what they want. They say we hate D.C., which you can see on this episode. we don't. No, we don't. We love DC. We just want better for y'all. And plus, now that they push

multiverse of madness back to 2028, now they push it back, you know, we got something to talk about. Can we just be real? Can we be real? That shit hurt my heart a little bit. Like,

I was just like, what? Heardt. Was looking forward to. Do you know the difference in my life between March and May? Like, too much?

Me. Hurt. Nah, there's more than that. Don't try to play me. It's two. It's eight weeks. That's how I know you a young.

That's how I know you a young. young and joam okay nothing's promised about tomorrow i'll try to play me well that we definitely don't want to go there charles everybody's going to be alive and well all right it was just christ oh god young justice phantoms joamy take it away hey man let me cook for a second let me cook for a let me tell you so young justice i mean i got on here and i talked about it uh last week and i was you know hoping like oh maybe get a trailer or something oh let's see you know the new you know some new footage anything and they drop two new episodes we got two new episodes of young just now i'm not gonna spoil it for y'all listening at a home

you know what i'm saying but it essentially like they do a nice little you know recap of where we are and then you're thrust back into the world again you're thrust back into characters that we've grown to love and we get to see them go on new journeys and where they are now they pay off the teaser at the end of season three you know to start a little sprinkle off a little you know interesting subplots in there so season four man it kicks off with a bang

and I'm just saying it's on HBO Max all three seasons the first three seasons and then the first two episodes season season four it's one of the best animated show superhero animated shows you know of the 21st century

truly and I hope you guys check it out because it's so the characters are great, the stories are excellent. It's just, it's honestly beautiful television. So I hope you guys check it out. It's really good.

By the way, I watched it. I watched it. I watched it over the last couple of days. Yeah, it's good. Jomey, you really love Young Justice,

bro. Like, you do Young Justice. This advertisement has been brought to you by HBO Max. Yeah, Jomey, what's your hell you doing? It's really beautiful television?

I love Young Justice. It's really, really good. Don't check my Vimmon history. We should have Young Justice Corner. I'm going to watch the, I'm going to catch up to you because I love Young Justice. It's got me through the pandemic. I like Young Justice. It's really good. And to anybody who's on the fence or whatever, I just, you know, I just tell you know, watch a few episodes, you know what I'm saying? Like,

get into it. It's like, it's so, man, we don't have time to go into it. We don't. It's so great because, like, it's not just, you know, Nightwing and Aqualad. Like, Batman shows up. Superman's there. Like, they're integral characters to the story. Like, you get. You. the entire DC universe in there. And it also, it doesn't, you don't play dumb with you. Like, you understand like, oh, this character's here now, which means this story arc in the comics that I know exists has happened, right? So it's just like, I don't know, it's just really fun as a DC fan to see these characters.

Hey, that's, hey, Jomi. What's going on? That'll do. Oh, don't take my Vail in the street, man. Can you let Jomey be happy? the sparkle in his eye, just give him, like, let him be happy.

Let me tell you something. Jome loves Young Justice. I do you love him. Jomi, Joe, look how excited. Jome. Yeah, he was starting to breathe out. He's like, guys, it's so good. Jomey loves it.

Jomey loves Young Justice. The TV, man. Justice is very good. It's very good. Of course, you have the Holly Quinn animated series coming back for season three. My personal favorite thing that I'm looking forward to

that they talked about a DC fandom. And no one cares about it as much as I do. It doesn't seem, is I finally got what I've been waiting for for years, like years, which is the injustice animated movie. I am so excited about the injustice animated movie. I'm inviting all of the Midnight Boys to the house.

We're going to order the movie. I got a theater popcorn maker over here. Jomi's seen it. We're on a pop popcorn. We're going to sit down. We're going to watch it. Bowes was going to be here. It's going to be a fucking,

ball. I can't wait for this. I can't wait for this. To me, the injustice art is the best use of Superman in modern memory. All right. All right, let's... It is. It's the best. Fuck out of here. Better than All-Star Superman.

Yeah, I'll tell you why. No, no, no. We're not doing that. We're not doing... All-Star Superman is a perfect story. And you're talking about a video game that's essentially Kingdom Come. We're not going to do that. By the way, I love the kingdom.

come as well. But Superman a kingdom come and Superman in injustice, not the same. Not the same. Not the same guy. It's Superman's humanity in injustice that makes him corruptible. Always, Superman's humanity was the one thing that was the best thing about him, right?

And that's not human. It's not human to have humanity be the best thing about you. Human frailty is actually what turns people into monsters. right? It's even in other things like in Star Wars, right?

What turns Anakin into a monster? Love does. Love does. So love was able to corrupt everybody except for Superman. Superman is the one person that love, desire, longing, vulnerability. It all made him superhuman.

Right? Well, not superhuman, but superhuman and superhuman. This was one of the first stories, where I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, man, it would be too easy for someone to fuck with Lois or someone to do something like this

and turn Superman against the world forever because he's lost his anchor. When they finally did it, I'm like, what would it take to get Superman back after he's gone so far? And I love the story because it took that goody two-shoes,

Kansas boy shit and turned it on its head in a real aggressive way. That's why I think that. Listen, for more coverage on DC fandom. Be sure to check out Daniel Chin's

piece on the ringer.com. There are other things that went on there. We had some a couple of video games, Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad. My favorite thing

from DC fandom was the Flash trailer. Charles, what was your favorite thing? Flash trailer. Last trailer was great, Jelmy. Besides Young Justice.

Now, the Batman stuff. I'm really excited to see what we're getting in March of 2022. I'm excited to see if Steve's take holds up, that it's going to be better than Nolan.

I'm going to have to say the Batman. I was very, very excited, and it's surprisingly coming up soon. Yeah. Surprisingly, because it's going to be here very, very, very soon. This episode is brought to you by Two Good and Company coffee creamers. Howdy take your coffee, piping hot,

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along with the new segment. calling pitch please run that theme song. Pitch please. Oh, I got a wacky shit. Steve is in his bag, bro. God damn, we got some talented motherfuckers. Okay. In this segment, The Midnight Boys,

pitch a plot of a Batman movie that they would direct, along with the cast they would like to see, portray it. We'll sell the listeners at home on the story and who would best bring it home, and the listeners will decide whose movie they would most like to see.

see. The plot can be a well-known comic arc or even a new story entirely. All right, let's go round Robin. Let's start with Van. Okay. I am going with Batman and Son as my story arc. I am itching to see Damien Wayne on screen. Let me tell you why I'm going to go with this one. Number one, we're going to have in this situation, not just a Batman love story between him and Taliaz school, but we're going to have one with stakes. we're going to see Batman not flirt with fatherhood, which is something that's ultimately humanizing for Batman.

We're going to see Batman be a father. A large portion of Batman's mythos is that his dedication and drive to be a symbol to crush crime makes him superhuman when he is really not. What I want to see now is the depiction of the character where he has to be human, but he spent so much time being superhuman. That's what happens when you bring in Damien Wayne,

a brash, young, bat boy who takes up the mantle of Robin and gives his father not only problems as a superhero, but problems as an angsty youth. I'm going to pitch this movie with a, the tone that's somewhere in between Snyder's, Batman, and Nolan's. We're going to have lighter notes with a more dark type of feel.

Imagine fatherhood in the midst of grit, moments where they bond and connect through times of superhero turmoil and strife. Batman and son. Chills. Sounded good. All right, Charles. Let's hear it. I would like to pitch you all on a new Batman. We've seen Batman as a superhero. We've seen Batman as a detective.

But we haven't seen Batman as a force of nature. I'm pitching you all on Batman, the Court of Owls. What happens when an entire city and the people who helped build it come after Bruce Wayne. Everything he thinks he knows about the place he was born to protect is wrong. The walls start closing in. Thriller vibes sink into you. All of his friends, Commissioner Gordon, his partners, Robin, Nightwing don't know what's going on. They think Batman is insane. But no, he is just digging deeper into a secret Illamati type organization that has been running everything in his life and at the center of it is a man who thinks that he is Bruce Wayne's

brother. Damien doesn't know what to do. Dick doesn't know what to do. Alfred can't save him. It is Bruce in the center of Gotham City against it all. This is a horror movie to end all horror movies. This is Succession in Gotham. This is the Court of Owls. Oh, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. It's always a tragedy when Dick doesn't know what to do. I'm loving it.

All right. Jomey. So every time you go on the internet and you talk about man, man, everybody talks about man, Batman's always ready. Batman, you give Batman prep time. You know what I'm saying?

Batman can do anything. And one of the biggest examples of that, and we've seen this arc on in the big screen before, but never in live action. Justice League Doom Oh

Imagine seeing the bat after save all of his Justice League compatriots show me after being

the person who put them in danger in the first place Whoa Off the top mixtape Jamie

What the fuck you that is that would be fantastic Jomster I think that's something

the fans would like to see you get to see all the all of the Justice League, you know, fight their villains, but at the same time have to also see Batman having to, you know, save his own life and then save the life of all the rest of his teammates. I think that'll be fun to see on the big screen and live action.

It definitely would be fun to see, Jomey. All right. So for mine, I'm going to go far off into the future. We're going to see Bruce Wayne as an old man, tired of the life that he's been living for decades on end. I'm picking the arc of Batman Beyond to usher in a new generation for a new Gotham, a neon-drenched

tech-industrial metropolis, a bunch of new villains, a bunch of new threats, and a bunch of new bureaucratic nightmares for Bruce Wayne. Batman Beyond is what I'm giving you. Now let me tell you something about that choice. That choice would be the best movie of the four

that totally flops. It probably would. But I want it anyway. I want Dennis Villeneuve to give me a nice blade runner. I'm raising you one better. If I'm not directing it, it's going to be Nicholas Wending Riffin. Change my mind.

Wait a minute. Change my mind. I'm there. A thousand percent. Does it make it budget? Does it make it budget? It's budget back, man. No, it does not.

It probably won't because he's going to go, but I'll be real with you. That's fucking amazing. I don't like Drive. I'm in a relationship with Drive. I don't like Drive. Okay. Well, I know a fan.

Let's not do you. That's fine. The relationship would drive. Okay. So we're going to be picking the cast of this movie now. And of course, when you're picking the cast, you have to cast Batman. You have to cast a sidekick in a role. You have to cast a wild card.

And then you have to cast Commissioner Gordon. I also cast Alfred, which we don't have on here. But I cast him. All right. So we're going to be casting Batman, sidekick, a villain of choice, Commissioner Gordon. and an X-factor character of choice, which I guess I'll use it as my apple. I'm going to give that away.

I'll use that as my album. So my choice as Batman slash Bruce Wayne, I went safe. Now let me tell you why I went safe on this one. Because I'm going to show Batman as a dad. This is going to be bad dad. I didn't want to go as old as John Hamm. I didn't because he's old.

He's like getting up there near 50. I didn't want to go as old as John Hamm. But I wanted someone who could have a very, loving relationship with his bat son, but also who can turn around and put on the acting chops and be stern enough. So I thought of two different guys in this situation, right? I thought of him, thought of John Hamm. I thought about this other guy. And there's one particular movie that lets me

know this guy could be as psychologically fucked up as Batman, as leering as Batman, but also be the actor that we know that he is. Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Gillenhall, Jake Jillenhall and Nightcrawler, brooding, seething. He's there. But we also know that Jake Jillan Hall is a charming, wacky, sweet motherfucker. So we're going to strike that chord.

We're going to strike that chord between the night crawler portrayal and the Jake that we all know that he is. The whimsical guy that we kind of saw him as Mysterio. Jake Jillahall is my bad man. Van, Van, I thought that you would, you would be a little bit more creative than that. We all know Jake Gyllenhaal would make a great Batman. That's the obvious choice. It's not, but he's never done it.

Why is that obvious? That's the obvious choice. If you type in who should be Batman, Jake Gyllenhaal's the first person. He said he went safe. He said he went safe. All right, it's fine. It's a good choice. I don't think it's a good choice.

I just thought, you know, you know what? You know what? Fuck y'all. Because I, when I tried to be trailblazing and give y'all something like Andre 3000 as Ruth Banner, Y'all fucking went nuts. It's okay. You're going to cast most deaf as Commissioner Gordon in a second. No, I won't.

I got a better commissioner of Gordon. Although most deaf would make a great commissioner Gordon. All right. So for my Batman, my Bruce Wayne, I'm not going for the nicest looking chap. They always go super, super handsome for him. I'm going for a boxer face. Somebody who's already played an anti-hero before. Someone who's so mean, beat you up.

Batman's on the anti-yro. but somebody who's played an anti-hero. Someone was like, just can give it to you. Going with John Bernthal. Okay, that's not going to work, but that's good. How was that not going to work? Tell me, I was not going to work.

He just doesn't. It's just not his, he doesn't have it. He doesn't have it. John Berthal is great, but he's a little too. Actually, you want to know why I think he has it. Hey, let's tell you something, Commissioner Gordon. Are you just, are you, wait, are you just thinking of John Berthall in Wolf of Wall Street?

Like, hey, Mom, we got chicken, or what, that John Berthal? I love that. But John Berthal, I've seen him in everything. John Berthal is a great actor. He's a fantastic actor, but he's got a thing about him. But have you seen him?

Have you seen his Hot On his interview? That's actually what turned to me on. I was like, oh, you're charming in real life. Like, you are not your character. Like, in real life, he's like a very charming. I'm like, oh, that's persuade. Like, that's persuade. Like, the Batman that you are, like,

I'm going to beat everyone up. That's Batman. The guy is an interview is... I like the choice. But let me say one last thing about him. This is going to be so weird that I say this, but I mean this. He's got physical tics when he acts, right? You've seen him.

Like, you see... I'm being for real. I'm being for real. He's got physical ticks when he acts. He's real on the shoulder. He uses the hand. He cocks his head a lot. I'm going to tell you something.

There's another guy who does this funny thing with his head when he acts. all right he always shakes his head around when he asks George Clooney now when George Clooney was Batman I want you to go back and look how distracting it was the head shaking as a too little antennae up there the bat ears are shaking around I'm telling you you don't want an actor with too many physical ticks to play Batman if they do a lot of things

even like Brad Pitt you know how Brad Pitt does this with his hand whenever he acts hey I can do that you don't want a superhero doing this. That's why he didn't work for Thor because he's going to be fucking doing like, oh, hey, oh, you know, like you don't want that. I'm saying, but that's interesting though. By the way, he kicks ass. He does kick fucking ass. He looks good when he's beating people up. Yeah, he does. Show me, who are you going with for your Batman? All right. I am prepared to, I'm prepared to, you know, get being up for this one. But I went off the beaten path. I figured, you know, if we're going to see, you know, Batman take on the justice, like take on, you know, trying to save the Justice League, you know, why get somebody who, you know, we're like, oh, man, you know, like, everything's, like, played out, you know, let's do something different. We're going to do a different story. Let's have a different Batman. And I went with Ben Barnes. He's an English actor. He's in, she did Shadow and Bone.

if you've seen that. He was in the Punisher, Billy Rousseau, Westworld. Oh, I like him. And if you're a young in and you saw the Chronicles of Narnia movies, he was Prince Caspian. No, as cross-as-bones,

he was really good. Jomey, that's not bad. That is fucking solid, bro. Yeah. That's really solid. Like, Jomey, that is solid, bro. Six-1. I like that guy playing...

Exactly, 6-1. He's a big dude. I think he might need to get a little, you know, more swole. He looks young, but he's actually four. 40. He's 40 years old. He's 40. He's aging pretty well. He looks good, right? I loved him in the Punisher. Like, I loved him in the Punisher. He was great. That's a good point. That's a good choice

there, Jomey. Good pick, Joan. What about you, Steve? Okay. So, we've all thought a lot about what we would like to see from a Batman beyond, like, cast and live action. Because, like, we have obvious choices of, like, Michael Keaton again. We could imagine an even old. older Bruce Wayne, like you kick around like a Clint Eastwood type. But I kind of want a Bruce Wayne that's like not as looming of a presence as an old man that he is, but I kind of want him a bit more quiet and calm. I want to take Vigo Mortensen as an old Bruce Wayne. Eragorn.

Nice. That works. Nice. Love it. How washed? How wash is your Batman, Steve? He's pretty. Here's the thing.

Like, he's, like, I think he's just more sad and sullied because, again, like, the beginning of the, of the Batman Beyond Arc is that he pulls a gun on a perpetrator and like, and an act of desperation. And that's what causes him to, like, be like, all right, I'm giving this up. Like, I'm, I'm done with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it's probably because of a bit more of things that happened in his past, which I'll get to in my X Factor pick, as to why. he's kind of given up being Batman in the first place. So I want a bit more of a sad and depressed and tender Bruce Wayne in his older age. And I think Eagle Mortensen's doing that 100%.

I love it. Easy call. He's a call. Van, who are you doing for psychic? Well, for my sidekick is going to be Robin, right? Yeah, but who's playing Robin? Robin, a.k.a. Damien Wayne? Robin, aka Damian Wayne. Robinson.

Wyatt O'Lef. Wyatt O'Leth is one of the kids from the It franchise. O-L-E-F-F. Now, I thought to put Timothy Shalameh in this role, but he's too fucking old. All right, go look up Wyatt and tell me if you don't see... As Damien Wayne, Damian Wayne is a mixed race child.

So what? So what? I forget what it is, but he's not white. I think this is good. This kid is good. It's solid, yeah. I tell you what I love about him in the It films, because I genuinely, I think, like, the 2017 It movie is, like,

one of my favorite horror films, like, full stop. It's so fun. I think he is, like, very good at portraying, like, that, like, not whiny, but, like, entitled type of kid that Damien Wayne is, because Damien Wayne is, like, an infuriatingly entitled piece of shit. Yeah, he's a prick. And I think this guy can do it. But in like in the kind of an endearing way.

Exactamundo. Van and I pick the same sidekick. I'm going Damien Wayne Robin, but I'm going very young. Because I think that for this role, you need somebody who can subvert who we think that they are. And I'm going with Alan S. Kim, the little cute kid from Minari. Because I just want a little cute kid who's just like Batman. He's like an assassin. He's like, fuck you, Batman.

And just like there's this thing like, I love. the Damien Wayne and Harley Quinn because he's so tiny. This kid is really small. Yeah. That's what I want. Because like my favorite is, he's nine years old. Yeah, that's what I want from Damian Wayne.

Damien Wayne is young in the comics. Bro, he's going to fucking be pissing on himself. He's like really young. Damian Wayne is very, very young in the comments. I want a very young untrained because that's what makes Damien so funny is that he's a super assassin at the age of like 10. Here's what I will say.

When like you've seen like the animated films of Batman and Son, it's like this little tiny, this little guy. And he's like scratching up. Like he's, he's annoying and giving a hard time to Batman. But he's a, he's like a, at least a preteen. When Damien was, when Damien was first, like when he's first coming in Batman and son, he's like, I believe he was like 10 or 11. But this kid.

he's adorable too this kid is really small bro and he looks even younger than he is okay but look that's your that's your Damian Wayne that's your Damian Wayne you guys are getting on me Jomey who is your side king hey listen for the record Charles I'm with you I think that could

work I'm on your side my side actually that actually makes me scared if Jomey's agree with me I know shit Jomey winning well let's let's hold on now my sidekick I think makes more

sense to be Alfred, right? Because if Batman's running around, trying to, you know, save the Justice League from his own problems, the only person I think he could trust to help with that would be Alfred. And I think we'd have to age him up, but I think a Chituel Egyaphor

from the Martian, from Dr. Strange, Mordo, right, could be, you know, a nice little, you know, Alfred addition to the Batman universe. I got to be honest with you. I got issues with this. Why do you have issues?

Please tell me. Tell me. No, man in Charles specifically. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. I love my kings and queens, but I hate when they just like, just to make Alfred a whole white, bro. Yeah, no. You know what I'm saying? Nah, man.

Hell no. Like, right. You know, I got issues with it. I get it. Because I thought about some other, when I was thinking about Alford casting Alford, I was like, man, should we do a black dude as Alfred? Because, like, you do Idris Elba as Alfred or something like that? No, because he's way too good looking and stuff. But, like, also, the black, I can't do it, bro.

I was thinking of a black robin. And I'm like, no, I don't do it. Like, let's just, just, just, I mean, for me, it's, it's became, like, every single old white actor, old white English dude is either already played Alfred or is, like, just looks too decrepit to play Alfred. And I'm just like, listen, like, you know what I'm saying? We got to throw, you know, some color in here. You feel me?

I know it's not ideal, but I think, you know, if we see a capable Alfred who's not, he's not, his whole thing isn't like, oh, man, I'm just going to help on this dude. Like, sure, he's, you know, he is Alfred the Butler. But in this scenario, he's also hoping save the Justice League. We don't really see Alfred to be out here with the action like that. Two steps forward, one step back for you, Joe. He actively be a part of the team, you know what I'm saying? Steve, take the heat off me, man. What you got?

What you got, Steve? All right. Okay, so obviously our sidekick is going to be, weirdly enough, Batman himself, the new Batman. Terran McGinnis inhabits the mantle as the new Batman, a seemingly punk high schoolish, early 20s kid. Father passes away, meets Bruce Wayne, takes him under his wing, a bit of a, you know, unpaid internship situation, and then they bond and becomes the new Batman. man. He's got to be brash. He's got to be, he's got to have this, like, angsty fire in him and also got to be holding a lot of dramatic weight. I'm picking Stephen Youne for Terry McGuinness. The McGinnis part's going to be tough to sell, but... I like that. We can change the up. The name.

It's fine. So, yeah, that is my Batman slash Terry McGinnis. Stephen You. Van, who's your villain? Manbat. So I'm going to have Manbat, and then I'm going to have Manbat slash the League of Assess. But here's the thing about man bat. That's a tough sell. That's a hard sell. But let me tell you why, though, this works for me. This is the perfect villain for a father and son to fight together.

It's something that the boy, first of all, Bruce is scared of bats, which is why he's the batman. He's afraid of bats, which is why he's the batman. For his son to have to see him overcome his fear as this man bat presents itself, it can be a lesson for Damien or it can be the opportunity for Damien to come in and save the day

when his father is a little bit petrified dealing with a life size man bat all right that's what I'm going with I'm going with the goddamn man bat now do I have to have an actor to play the man bad as well

I mean you can you could be I mean if it's if it's not really like what's his face James Gunn's brother No, I don't want to get him. I want to get Bill Hader. Okay. All right. Stealing my choice from the last recastable's, but that's fun.

Is that true? What did you have Bill Hades? He was the Hulk. The Hulk. Oh, no, he sucks as the Hulk. I want to get Bill Hader as Dr. Robert Kirkland. I want to get Bill Hater because I want Manbat to be, much the way of the trip that they do, a quirky character who kind of gets into his own situation

and it becomes a demon, evilish, big, huge manbat, scary to Damien Wayne one of Bruce's biggest fears Manbat is going to be my villain in this. Mine is easy. This guy is close to my heart. You know, shout out, succession. Season three.

Doing big shit. Gang, gang. Love the first episode. My owl man is Kirian Culkin. I love him. I think he could just be like the petulant little, like, forgotten son or potential son

of the Waynes. I think he could like really just be a great thing. one. That's a good pick. I am rocking with the villain from Justice League Doom, Vandal Savage. And to play him, I'm going with Jeffrey Dean Morgan from Walking Dead, the losers, you know, like a bigger dude. Now, he is Thomas Wayne. The voice of Thomas Wayne.

No, he's Thomas Wayne. No, he's Thomas Wayne in the movies, right? Yeah, he's Tomlin. Now, he is Thomas Wayne. I don't mind that. I don't mind that either. Just letting you know, there was some talk that he might even end up being Thomas Wayne in the Flash. Flash. Yeah. Well, you know, if he's not Thomas Wayne, Vandal Savage. Van derogs.

Yeah, sure. That stands tall. I think he can rock it. I think that'll be like a fun turn. I mean, he's like the secret villain, so, you know, he don't have to show up for like the last third of the movie. You know what I'm saying? Only like three weeks of shooting. So I think he could kill it.

You know what I'm saying? By the way, I love Vandal Savage and I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan. That's a great pick. He was killed it as the comedian. Yeah. Super good. There's a lot of good stuff in, in,

Zach Snyder's. Y'all, y'all, you know what? I, know what? Fine. I propose,

I propose a midnight court. I contend the watchman is actually a good movie. Okay. What? Ooh. I think we might have this one. We might have this one.

I propose midnight court. I propose watchman is actually a good movie. I really enjoyed it. I'm putting that in the notes. Right. Fuck out of here. I'll argue that too. No,

that shit's terrible. Jesus Christ. Steve. All right. I'm picking my villain, and this is going to get into the main plot of my version of Batman Beyond. I am picking for my villain for a fight for corporate control of Wayne Enterprises and the Wayne Legacy. A rogue CEO and executive comes in Derek Powers, aka Blight, has been known, who messes around with some nuclear materials in, you know, weapons. Division Experiment becomes this

horrifically mangled skeleton monster who looks awesome. He who's vengeful against Bruce Wayne and gets a lot of, you know, poison dripped in his ear for a lot of bad reasons. And to play Blight, I'm casting Neil McDonough,

legendary television actor, amazing actor. You might recognize him. Oh, I love him. As one of the actors in Captain America First Avenger. He's Dumb Dugan. Dumb Dugan.

Yes, correct. Dumb Dugan. He'd be fantastic as blight. Wonderful energy for a power hungry CEO. He can do almost anything that I see him do. I think he's perfect.

He also was in that movie with The Rock walking tall. Which is such a weird. That's such a weird. You know, let me ask you a question, man. How can we let the Rock get away with some of this shit? Or some real shit.

He was trying it out. Nah, man. The rock got, the, nah, fuck that. The rock got skyscraper.

The rock got a lot of shit that we just be like, hey, man, just like Baywatch. The rock got some, the rock is enduring. If we want to be real, like I would say

half of his IMDB is like Walmart DB did. Like fucking terrible. He just think, he broke out, he broke out of wrestling to become a superstar. And you don't do that

by a batting a thousand. Okay. You take all the roles that they give you And you're a nice enough guy People will be like, hey, let's start putting in movies and he makes a good return on films So they'll just keep pumping him out with stuff Then you make your own movies

Man, who's your commissioner Gordon? Brian Cranston I like that Yeah What am I going to say to that? Brian Cranston's he's dope What are you going to say? What? Why are you guys scoffing?

No, nobody is scoffing. It's just Van after. such a lackluster showing on the Lasser Caspibles. Jesus Christ. It's going very safe. That's not true. It's just a layups.

First of all, it's just layups. I don't feel like my shit was very safe. I thought about this and I think that he's perfect. Jake Joe and all is safe. Brian Cranston is safe. Right, just because I didn't fucking have a fetus play Damian Wayne. You think

like, like, you think it's safe. Like, you fucking got somebody from Kids Incorporated. Oh, y'all even remember that show. No. Y'all remember that?

Kids Incorporated. Okay. Was I even born when that show came out? Probably not. It's kind of like the Mickey Mouse Club. But I got Brian Cranston as Commissioner Gordon in this. I thought about some other people. It's not safe.

It's fine. You lost and you don't want to lose again. I think he's perfect. I think he's a great goal. It is perfect. What am I going to say to Brian Cranson? Brian Crampson is the national. It's not even about losing.

Okay, it's not even about losing. I want Brian Cranston as commission of awards. He's really, really good. I have one better, though. What, who you got? Barack Obama? Christ of law.

Shit. I don't know better, but I will say if we're continuing the lineage, I want Michael Keaton as my Gordon. I want to continue the lineage. I was looking at you like, you just said something very disrespectful.

That's stupid. How is that stupid? It's like stunt casting. Like that's, like, it's that stunt casting. But you know, you know, what the fuck? That's not, that's like what you do on the TV show when they bring in. Stunk casting?

Stunk casting. You had Andre 3000 as your Hulk. I don't want to hear about stunt casting fan. That's stunt casting. That's he's an actor. And you, you're bringing in something. That's not stunt casting.

Having one of the greatest rappers of all time play Bruce Banner is in stunt cast. You're like, you're bringing in somebody who already played Batman. Like, to play commission of Gordon. That happens all the time. Have you not seen CWs the Flash? They brought in the other TV Flash to play his dad. It's not...

That's what I'm talking about. That's the type of shit that they do on that. By the way, I love that old Flash. Like, that's the kind of things that they do on CW shows. That's the type of shit they do. You know what I mean?

Honestly, and I think to give his pick credit, I think that's what kind of DC and, like, to pull from the CW playbook, I think that shit works. That shit works really well. Okay, but like, is it just, is it literally just stuncastle? There's no, there's no hidden agenda.

No, I think Michael Keaton can bring, this is a dark horror-filled role. I think that Michael Keaton, and like a lot of my picks, need to bring a certain levity to it because John is so intense. And I think you need a commissioner Gordon who can be a little bit quippier,

who can be a little bit quick on his feet because you have such a like a dark batman. You're going to turn that shit down? he's going to be like, how are you going to make me Commissioner Gordon after I've already been Batman? Anyway, this is kind of a good pick, though. He's so big. He just beat up saying. It is kind of a good pick.

I'm not going to lie. Jomi, go ahead. So I, you know, did a little research on my pick, and I found that this pick for Commissioner Gunner would be perfect. We know him, we love him, from Sean Chi, Tony Lung, as Commissioner Gordon, starving frontal affairs, the precursor to the departed, and he's just a great actor, you know, and I think Tony Long would be a great,

you know, older Jim Gordon, try to help Batman navigate. Okay, so the Justice League, you know, pulling up his contacts, trying to do his best, and like, imagine Tony, Tony Long in a long little coat, you know, like one of those detective coats. It works, you know, sign me up.

It works. Not mad at it, not mad at it. Steve, who was your commissioner Gordon? All right, well, my commissioner Gordon, if anybody's seen Batman Beyond, inherited by the mantle, is Barbara Gordon. Late 60s. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Barbara Gordon taking over for the role of her late father.

It's got to be around the same age as Batman, maybe a little bit younger. Sprightly, griseled, almost has probably a harder edge than her dad did, if we're being honest, come the end of it. I think this is the first time that I'm punching over my weight when I come to casting here. I want Francis McDormant to play. Fuck out of here. She's not in a Batman She's not going into Batman We saw Francis McDormon in Transformers 3

Anything is possible She's gonna do it You think she'd sign on for this I'll tell you why she's gonna do it She's gonna do this So she could do the next five little movies Where people roam around and don't do shit Like Nomadland

Like she's I love Nomadland But that's a movie that's a passion piece She's gonna do it She's going to do that movie because she does that movie and then she could do three years of doing movies with the Coins. And listen, this Barbara Gordon is going to be fighting for a like internal investigation into Wayne Enterprises because they've been fucking with nuclear materials illegally

and having to deal with whoever this blight character is as well. And her and Vigo Morrison are going to get busy. Are they? Well, no. Yeah, what do we tell you, Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordon, knocked boots in this universe. Well, no, this is the important thing. There's going to be like this respectable,

like, behind the scenes aspect that Bruce Wayne has having between Gordon and these cases because he's backed away from Wayne Enterprises. He's backed away for reasons uncertain. Okay, okay. All right, this is the last pick then. Who do you got your X factor? X factor character I have in the movie is actually Alfred.

Alfred's going to be my X-Fractor character. I have Alfred in there as my X-Fractor character. And I have a pick for Alfred that you guys are going to land-based. That's too safe. But when I thought about Alfred, Alfred and this one's going to be a little bit more even. We're going to see Alfred in action and some fight scenes in this movie as he defends Wayne Manor while Bruce is out dealing with his son

in the League of Assassins. I have a big set piece coming. So this is what I'm going to do real quick. I'm going to redo the John Wicks scene the John Wicks scene where the people come into his crib I'm going to redo that except I'm going to do it with Alfred I fucking love it okay

and they're really nervous for this and people are going to attack Wayne Manor while Alfred is in there and Alford is going to defend the manner we must protect his house let's protect this house my Alfred is Liam Neeson Liam Neeson

is my Alfred I'm I'm going to have that scene and Liam Neeson is going to be going through the mansion fucking up League of Assassins until Alfred dies in this movie. Okay. He is going to be... Former Razel Gould.

Yeah. Former Razel Gould. He dies in this movie. Is it Roz or is it Rache? It really depends on who wrote it, who wrote the script. Yeah, because they be messing that man. That's the thing. It's not a real name, so there's not an actual, like, proper way to say it.

Right. Razar Ghul, Rase, Algo. Yeah, it really just depends. Charles, what you got? I'm going Nightwing is my X-Factor. And this is a dude that he knows how to handle some batons of kick-ass fame. I'm going Aaron Taylor Johnson as Nightwing. All right?

I like that too. I love him. He's a, like, that's an old. He's old, he's old, though, right? He's not that old. How old is Aaron Taylor? Can't be more than 35. I'm tripping.

I think he's like 32 or something. He's 31, guys. That's the perfect age for him. That's perfect. He's good as nightwing. He looked really nice intent. Like sexy boy intent. I like it.

Jesus. What? I'm just saying, good way to God, Charles. We respect to. You looked at me like, well, I can't admire a man's features.

You definitely can't. You definitely can't. Don't look. Don't a little boozy me. Jummi, go ahead and do your thing. I didn't say nothing like that. Well, it's going to be a Justice League,

Doom movie. Then there's got to be the Justice League. and there's no bigger Justice League member aside from probably Batman the Superman. And so that's my, you know, out of my wildcard pick. If you pick Lakeith Stanfield for Superman,

I'm going to shut this podcast off now. My Superman, if you've watched industry HBO, don't know him as the boy who does all the Coke. Harry Lottie. He's a younger actor. He's actually, I think he's like around my age. But he's six to, and he's even got the little Superman swoosh on his head.

in his hair. And I think he could play a really good super band. This is a young looking justice. He's young, right? He's a little young dude, you know what I'm saying? Show me. Worst pick ever. Terrible.

No. No. No. Terrible. Again. You started off so strong on this episode. He's not the main character, right? He don't got the jaw for it.

He don't got the jaw for it. Okay, well, see, that's what they said about Chris Hemsworth. You know what I'm saying? That's what they said about Chris Evans. You know what I'm saying? Look how history proved them right. Just use 120 pounds, Jummy. Hey, bro, listen, you put on some weight.

You feel me? Hit the gym. He doesn't have the frame. No, no. He's, bro, he's six two. He could put on some muscle. What you mean? He's not going to,

Jumby's not going to work. Listen, he's not the main character, right? We're not spending all our time with this dude. He really started off so hot. Jomi did. So hot. We don't got to, we're not spending, you know, like, he doesn't get like.

It's fine, Joe. Just wrap it up. He's not getting 15 minutes of speaking time. You know what I'm saying? He's a solid pick. as he's not the main dude. We're going to spend more time with Batman. We're going to spend more time with Vandal Savage.

It's more time for Commissioner Gordon. Right? He's just there to be the Superman who gets taken down my kryptonite. You understand what I'm saying? Nothing against this actor. Nothing against this actor. I like this guy. Harry, when they doubted you, I spoke up for you, dog.

Remember that. Remember that? I believed in you. Steve, this pod is just completely on the rails. Yes, it is. Steve, who is you? Your pick. My X-Factor pick is the character that is going to be pulling the strings from the background,

the only other character that may have a possible stake in Wayne Enterprises, a young heat Damien Wayne coming in for a corporate takeover and trying to orchestrate all of these bad intentions so that Bruce Wayne can finally get rid of his final shares, can get rid of all of his, like, in lay claim because he's vengeful, he's upset that he didn't take over the Batman mantle. All of the previous angst that he came in for the rest of his life is coming to a front in Batman Beyond. To play Damien Wayne, I'm picking Lee Pace. 6-6-6-Lie Pace. And somehow he's got to beat up Stephen You. Lee Pace is Damien. Yes. Lee Pace is Daniel Wayne. What?

Lee-Pace. That no matter. My Damien Wayne is perfect. I don't care what y'all say. Lee Pace is tall as shit. So that's all David Wayne You know My name My face is tall

And Wayne Is going to be 6 6 6 He playing for the wrong Titans, bro Yeah Lee Pace on the Pacers is what I said This was fun But that was a lot of fun

I don't know who had the best Who recast Batman the best I don't know That is a wrap for Pitch, please. Please go on our socials, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter and vote for whose movie you would most want to see.

We had a lot of fun doing that. Maybe too much fun. It could be argued that it was too much fun. Maybe it was too much fun. That is a wrap for us. The Midnight Boys shall return this Friday with our thoughts on Doom. No Mal and Joe, until next Monday.

They're going to give a deep dive on Doom. All right. At Ringiverse is on Facebook, IG, and Twitter. and send us questions, ideas, and thoughts. You guys are keeping Jomi going one day at a time, and we need your guys to keep doing it. Okay? Our producer is Steve, the ally Alman.

Our social producer is Jomi Adineron. Hashtag free Jomey on social media. An additional production comes from Arjuno Ramgapal. And better when he is not seen and not heard. Producer T.D. Charles, take us out. This pod was fun. This pod was pain.

Show me, we cannot have a black dude saying, Master, Wayne. Google is your friend, Van. Man, you know what? You know what Google has my net worth at? Let me tell you something. It ain't right. So I don't believe everything you should have.

Up or down. Up or down. Too little too much. Nigel way too much. What? Whoa. I'm typing in Van Lathens' net worth right now. At one point, Google was on there saying that I had like $5 million

or something like that. Oh shit, Van. What's it saying? Van Lathen is known for his work on good luck the reaping

and extreme $20 million. This doesn't seem to make you. Okay. You're my man. Okay. You're my man.

I don't know your as I'm got $20 million. Obviously I don't have $20 million. My man would not be arguing with me on the midnight boys if he had $20 million.

Right. So the reality. is y'all talk about Google this that don't mean shit to me Tony Luong as Commissioner Gordon he starred in Eternal Affairs Infernal Affairs Infernal affairs infernal affairs Infernal affairs?

Is that you know what? What the fuck? Hey Steve cut this? Cut this? No, hell no, no, no, no, cut this. Keep it in Steve. I need to preface this. It's been a long day.

Steve, leave this in. It's been a long day of work. Absolutely not. Steve, it's not even about, Steve, Steve, it's not going to send you my audio if you leave the scene. It's not even that you said it wrong. It's that I corrected you and then you said it again. I know. It's been a long day. I know, I get it. This is the most Monday-ass recording we've ever had.

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