The Ringer-Verse - The Greatest Comic Book Hero of All Time Debate | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

The Boys are here to discuss and debate the greatest comic book heroes of all time (07:13). They will each make their pick and give their reasons, stories, and even roasts to have the audience determine what will be the greatest character in all of comics culture! Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Productional Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I looked up who the most followed celebrities are. It's an abomination. I could guess. I could, hit me with the three. What platform? Guess. Guess. Just most followed celebrities on Instagram.

I'm going to look them up. I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess Kim K. Selina Gomez. Kylie Jenner? Kylie Jenner. Okay. So these are the ones.

Most followed accounts. All right. Keep going. Kylie's in the top five. Selina Gonda is in the top five. Nope. Wow. I feel like Kim Kardashian's in there.

Oh. Taylor? Taylor Swift? No. Renaldo? Rinaldo's in there? You Googled it. He's number one. I didn't Google it.

Yes, you did. This is my job. I work in this industry. What are you talking about? And that's why you should have been able to spit it out right when it was time, but you googled it. So it's Ronaldo? It's Ronaldo. Then it's messy.

Then it's Kylie Jenner. Then it's Selena Gomez, which is really interesting. And then it's The Rock. And then it's Ariana Grande. at number eight, Kim Kardashian, get your weight up. Not your hate up. It's number one. Kim Kay's got to win a World Cup nowadays.

She's got to win a World Cup. So we want all of our socials to be on that list. So that, and that's the way that Jomey's going to get the Celine S7. So, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, Jomi needs his ride. Pimp Jomi's ride. Hashtag. Pimp Jomi's Rite. ride.

Okay. Also, are you wearing a blues cleo sweater today, I am. He really is. You look so comfortable. Yeah, it's pretty, you know,

it's pretty chilling in the career right now, so I got to stay warmed up, you know. Van don't know nothing about blues clues. I don't. Like,

I knew, I just knew the look on your face. Van wasn't locked in, you know, between X-Men, the animated series and Beast Wars, there was no time for blues clues

in the morning. Wait, no, I was about to, I was about to, to have the first midnight transgressions of the day. I pulled back. My back.

Oh, that's right. I have to start. You got to start. Wait, I have to start. No, you don't get to start the tali. No, no. It's not problematic. You don't get to do the tali.

Is Arjuna on here? Arjuna jump on. Yes. I'm right here. Okay. Arjuna, because you just be listening to these pods and not really doing anything. Let's keep it.

Let's keep it apart. Jesus Christ. It is your job. now to start a list of transgressions like midnight transgressions we're going to start it now at the end of the year

whoever has had the most transgressions yeah the year we need a quarterly thing that's going to whatever it's fine maybe not the year okay you know what mark that down as a transgression Arjuna I didn't have the right

I didn't have okay the year we gets the award of shame. We have to come up with the award of shame and we'll let the people decide what the award of shame is for the person, for the midnight boy with the most

transgressions. I don't even care. I don't know. I like this. I like this. Let's keep track. Because I'm going to be well-behaved. All right. Whatever. We'll see. I bet you won't. Programming Remind. This Friday, the House of R will be

giving you their mailbag episode. well, you ask questions, then they answer them. I had a long conversation with Joe yesterday, just about life. I had a long conversation with Mal about movies. Mal and Joe are the fucking best. And you will listen to them in their mailback episode.

You will send in questions. Jomey, where can they send in questions for this episode? They can send in questions to Hobbits and Dragons at gmail.com. Next Wednesday, the midnight board is going to be back. with a sequel to the black superhero's draft. You're going to have to stay tuned for that. You guys, that's going to be a transgression fest. Okay.

Sequel to arguably our best spot ever. Arguably best part ever. And by the way, we're not, just to let you guys know. And I'll ask the message to the Midnight Boys, we're not trying to outdo the last one. We're just getting right back into it. Yeah. It's not about outdoing anything.

It's an annual party. It's a, we're celebrating. Come on. party. Now, this is like in February, right? This will be the first day because we have to do it in February. Yeah, Black History Month. Black Super Heroes. What are the Black things

should we do next month, Steve? Steve's God. I knew you were going to throw to me. No, no, no. That's when you replaced me for a whole month. No. Well, no. We can't. Because if no, we have nobody to take our angst out on. On today's show,

we're going to go with the greatest comic book characters of all time. That is what we're going to debate here on today's show. Today we shall be creating a Midnight Boys debate. The greatest comic book character of all time. Each midnight boy will be presenting their case, their pick, the greatest superhero to grace the pages of comic books throughout

decades. They will be given us anecdotes, stories, and debates that the audience will decide which character is the best. The audience will go ahead and decide that. That's fine. After each Midnight Boy is presented their opening case, they will have a discussion and a debate between what makes the better character,

most exciting arcs and stories, and what they believe makes their character pick the best character. There you go. That's what we're going to do today. I'm very excited for it. I'm very excited to discuss it and to get into it. All right. I guess this is Jomi's time to take us over.

Who's going to lead this since Jomi's a part of it? Jomi, you know what I mean? Since Jomey's in it, I'm not so sure if Jomey should be able to, like, steer people's minds away from like what it is that we're doing and like put it all put them in his pocket would you let joie cook we have opening arguments each midnight boy we'll get two minutes to introduce the audience to what character they've picked van you're up you've got you've got two minutes cook thank you okay um in 1938 guys the world changed

It really changed. The world's introduced to a hero that would redefy heroism. Just that simple. The comic book world, the world of mythology, everyone's life was introduced to Caldala of the playing Krypton. That is Superman. This hero will become an international symbol of the human quest to be the best version of what we are.

Superman became our avatar in a lot of ways. There are a lot of reasons why some people might call Superman, the best comic book hero of all time. He is the best-selling comic book character of all time, 600 million sold. He could be the most powerful in D.C., very hard to hurt the guy, very hard to hurt the guy. Is he the most recognizable, perhaps?

his symbol has become a logo recognized the world over. But none of these things I would submit is what makes Superman the best character of all time. What makes Superman the best character of all time is to me he is the most human. Might be difficult for people to understand, but Superman is the most human character that is a superhero ever.

Sure, he's a space Jesus, a superpower freak. Everything about the character says that this guy is not, one of us, but every strength that the character has is something that human beings aspire to. Is his weakness kryptonite? Not really. It's rare, really tough to find. He doesn't come up against it that often.

Superman's weakness is actually Lois Lane. It's the connection that he has to her and people like her. It's the connection that he has to human beings. Superman's weakness, like the rest of us, is love. It's what makes him a person and, not an alien, but it's also his biggest vulnerability. It's this connection that he learned from people that makes Superman, no, I'm going to finish. This is two minutes, boss.

Go ahead. Cut it off. Cut it off. It's fine. Go ahead. Cut it off. Four score seven years ago, a legend was created. A hero that spoke to something primal within a story.

all, unlike his contemporaries, he was not a hero because of the powers, the abilities that he possessed, but because of what he lacked. In an alley one night, everything was taken from him. But the one thing that wasn't was fear. And how a boy would learn how to utilize it to climb up from the emotional cave that the world put him in to become, not just the greatest superhero of all time, but one of the most important fictional characters that we have ever seen grace this earth. Today, I will argue about what makes Batman so special to us. And to me, the thing that Batman has taught me is that we are not. defined by our tragedy. We are not defined by loss. We are not defined by our grief. In fact,

what we are defined by is what we do with that and the people that we help along the way. My colleagues might talk about who sold this, who sold that. That's not important here. What's important is that deep down in our hearts, we know what is true. Batman is here not just to save the world, but us all. I see the floor. All right.

Steve, you ready? Oh, boy. This is going to be a tough one. Amongst some of the best heroes that we can imagine today, I think I might have come at you with a true underdog here. And one of the underdogs that have been known as the most immortal warrior to ever grace the pages of comics. Coming to us in the 60s, I believe, of the pages of Incredible Hulk 180, the anti-hero slash villain

slash hero of us all, I give you that Wolverine is one of the greatest comic book characters of all time. He's the symbol for eternal struggle of the human race and the determination of the human spirit throughout decades, centuries even. And I believe that while our five foot three, angry little Canadian hero of the X-Men can be seen as quite prickly to some of us. I think that the heroism shown

throughout his journey has been probably one of the most uncanny that we could ever hope to see. And I think in this presentation I can give you some of this. You can mark that down as a transgression, Artuna. I think that I can present to you today some great stories, great examples of heroism, truth, and determination

of one of the greatest heroes of all time. I see the floor. Wow. Well done. Okay. Well done. Well done. I like the use of puns, but that is a transgression Arjuna. So that's fine.

That's fine. Put that down. That's nuts. Show me. I'm going to start the clock. I mean, I'll trust me. I'm going to hold myself to a standard. I hold myself to the same standard and everybody else.

It's only fan. It's only fair. Ladies and gentlemen, everybody in the sound of my voice. I'm really glad to be here with you this day. You know, when we talk about superheroes and what makes them important, what makes them the best, we often think about our friends and our family. And if you go to your friends and family right now and you ask, hey, what's a superhero quote you can't remember? What's something from a superhero that you could spit back to me? they'll tell you one line and one line only.

With great power comes great responsibility. And it is my responsibility today to tell these folks right here why Spider-Man is the greatest superhero for all time. Now, when Steve Ditko and Stanley created his character back in 1962, they didn't know the life. It would create the immense popularity of Spider-Man. But that's easy. We could talk about that all day. What I'm going to try and give to my fellow Midnight boys here today is the fact that Spider-Man is just more than Peter Parker. Spider-Man could be any of us.

It's the ideals that make Spider-Man one of the greatest superheroes we've ever seen. He's not an alien from another world. He's not a rich playboy with dead. parents, although his parents are dead. It's the person inside that counts. That's why we can all wear the mask. Any of us could be Spider-Man if we really wanted to. If we had the heart, the compassion of Peter Parker, that's what makes him. That's what makes Spider-Man the greatest superhero ever. I yield my time. All right. It's time for the greatest story. Each Midnight Boy picks one story, movie, video game, comic game

that demonstrates what makes their pick for the greatest comic book movie character of all time. Van, you're up. All-Star Superman. Of course. We're going to talk about Superman. It's good. It's amazing.

I know it's good, guys, okay? And this version of Van is what you guys are going to get for the rest of the podcast now. after I was shat-on at the beginning. So what you did- All right. Grant Morrison, Frank quietly,

written by Grant Morrison. Look, November 2005 to October, 2008, All-Star Superman is one of the most timeless stories in Superman history. It's Superman confronting his own mortality and confronting what it means to be a hero confronting the end of Superman. We span time with the character.

managed to do something, make Superman even more of a human character. Superman's story is about how he relates to the world. I would actually submit that the criticisms about Superman are true, that it's hard to tell a compelling Superman in today's time. And one reason why that is is because of the cynicism that we have about ourselves now. We don't believe in the truth and the justice in ourselves anymore because we've seen it eroded in so many different ways. Superman is a character that challenges that because he challenges to aspire to be what he thinks humanity is,

which is a beautiful group of people. And also, our Superman is the story where we see just how Superman relates back to us, right? Just how Superman sees himself as one of us. It's only his impending death, something that we all have to come to terms with, that makes Superman in this story a character that is, on the surface inherently relatable. What did he do? Where did he go? How is his life?

How does the world react to the absence of him? Does there always need to be a him? Or are we Superman? Are we Superman? So people that came before us, we might be. We can fly. We have all the knowledge of the world in our pockets right now. Has he done enough to leave us?

and that's a question that every single person on this call right now is going to have to answer. Have you done enough to leave? All-Star Superman asked that question. It's one of the best stories ever, and it really affected me. That's my deal.

All-Sour Superman. Love it. Love it. All-Star, baby. I'm going to be honest, if you were going to do the bullshit detector for Jomi, the R-We-Superman bit, come on, bro.

Come on. We got phones in our pocket. Come on. Do you want me to explain it? Is this a redirect? This isn't a redirect. I'm just saying you was going hot. You was going wild at Jomey, and I'm just saying, if we don't...

Jomi said that if I had to... If I had to ask my family a line from a comic book movie, they would say, with great power, it becomes great responsibility. If I ask my mom, mom, give me one line from a comic book movie. My mom are going to be like, what, I am Batman. I don't know. Boy, get out of my face. You're not like, I'm cheering to you.

Not my mom. Not Kalika. Not any of them. Not any of them are going to say, with great power comes great responsibility. My point about Superman, as it relates to that, is this. I guarantee you right now. I guarantee you right now with who you are right now.

If I drop you in 1657, they're going to think you're a witch, an alien, or some type. of super being with all the information that you have about the world, with what you can do, with where you are. The point that I'm making about Superman is when they call him the man of tomorrow. We are aspiring to be that. He is aspiring to be us. He is trying to be human. And that to me is the power of his story. The power of his story is for a being that's like that. It's the power of any of these stories. It's kind of the same power.

of the story of Jesus for being of that power to dedicate his entire life to being one of us not because, not out of trauma, not out of responsibility, but out of connection to me is what makes Superman the greatest character that's a. I see that. I mean, if they drop Steve in 1650, then I think that they drop any of us 1650.

It's going the other direction. Depends where, Jomey. Depends where. That's true. You're from the continent. Yeah, yeah, you're like, you from the... If you drop me in... Well, I have to ask you this, Steve.

Steve, have you ever? You think Africans just kill people in 1650? You think you just roll up? No, I did not say that. I did not say that. You just said, you've been watching too much Tarzan. Like, you're like, yo. So you think I would survive?

You think I would... I think you'd be fine. Obviously, they didn't kill enough, motherfuckers. Jomi's royalty is what I'm saying. Joe means royalty. I think you'll be straight. Steve, I have a question for you. Yes.

If you could travel back into any decade, which one would you travel back to? Oh, God. There is a wrong answer. There's a wrong answer. There's a wrong answer. I've always liked, I've wanted to go to like,

he's trying to think of the least problematic answer. No, no, no. I wanted to like, I always wanted to see like Hollywood in the 20s. Of course you would. See, it was a trick question. None of your friends. could travel back with you. Of course.

What if the rest of us wanted to come with you? Steve, that was a horrible answer, bro. Absolutely. That's a transgression, Arjuda. Absolutely. Of course.

Honestly, what you should do is just mark your own transgressions and then recap them to us at the end of the show. Honestly. All right. So it is my turn.

Charles Stern. So I'm going to stick with Van in the comic book corner, I am going to argue for what I believe is arguably one of the greatest comic books of all time. The Dark Night returns.

This is the source. Okay? This is the source for pretty much how we understand modern superheroes. And what I believe is so powerful

about this 1986 four-issue comic by Frank Miller is that it demonstrates that that Batman's fight against crime is an eternal fight. One that he knows he will one day lose. He's going to get old.

He will get beaten down. But the thing that makes Batman so crucial to our understanding about humanity is that it is not about him eradicating all crime. No. It is about him never giving up. It is about an old man constantly picking himself back up. to try to make sure that no one has to go through the same tragedy that he faces a young child. When I cracked open, The Dark Night Returns as a kid, it blew my mind away.

I did not know that you could tell superhero stories like this. I didn't know that we could see a Batman like this, a Batman who's lost even more than his younger counterpart. And to just see what Frank Miller did in those issues to teach us about what is. means to age as a hero, what it means to never die, what it means for your legend to live on? What else can you say? I will say,

everybody in the comments, I realize Frank Miller is very problematic and xenophobic. No, no, no, don't say it now. You know what I mean? Just because I'm like, no, no. No, no, no. Don't get ahead of it.

Just keep it pushing. You had any story to pick from they've been worshipping this story. on my time. Don't know my time. There's no time. There's not time lit. It's not limited by time. You said all the stories you could have picked. And you went right back. It's like, hey, who do you love? This is a half transgression on my part. I will put that into the record. Um, obviously, that's, come on, man. I mean, Frank Miller being who he is, it's like, you can't fucking, come on, bro. I said, Darth, Darth, Darth Knight returns. I was like, like, that was the only thing that made me into one of the little white boys that reads comics, under his sheets with a flashlight.

I never thought that that was like a real thing. But my daddy would be like, hey, take your ass to sleep in that worshiping Batman. You should be worshipping Jesus. I'm like, I don't want to go to sleep. I'm up in the head and I'm reading. You know what I mean? Like, it's a fantastic story.

Oh, it's so good. I might reread it today. Yeah, well, but I mean, you don't have to go back and double down on the transgression that you made. Now it's a full transgression. It's not a full transgression. It's still a half.

No. A three-fourth transgression. at most. Jomi, Steve, there's no half transgressions, man. You got you're there in your route.

No half measures. No half measures. All right. Well, you know what? I'm on van time now. Fuck you, Joni. I see poor.

We're losing willing participants left and right. Okay. Who's next? Steve. I'll be next. Okay, so moving off Comic Corner for a moment

because this was pretty much a cultural touchstone for the character as the populace knew it and really comic fans in general because this is a kind of bulletproof unimpeachable film

and I'm picking with the story of Logan the film seemingly last time that we get to see Hugh Jackman play the character until Deadpool 3 comes around this story was it was a bit of an amalgamation

of quite a few stories that were key to Logan's arc in comics and in general, and this was like a mix of like Old Man Logan and the weapon X story and several X23 stories. I don't think that there's been a comic book film. Like we could say our Dark Knights, we could say this and that about our winter soldiers, but like I think that there's something that has to,

that like there's never been a movie that nailed what a final appearance for a character needed to be. like Logan. And Logan is kind of a character about endings because to him there is none. There is only the fight. There is only his struggle. There is only him to be there and march on no matter what else comes his way. And this is the idea of Logan really kind of looking back to see what he's done as a man and bring something forward that he could actually be proud of. And as monstrous

and as tough as a life that he can have, this is a incredible, poetic ending to what we can make the story of Wolverine and Logan to be. And that's my pick. It's one of my favorite movies, let alone superhero movies ever. It's incredible.

Do you mean Wolverine returns? Which is essentially what Logan is? Pretty much, shoring up my argument. A little bit old man Logan in there too. A little old man Logan in there too. I have asked you to see. If you could pick any character to get an old man Logan type movie, which one would you pick?

Oh, honestly, like, this is going to be an old man Logan answer, but I kind of want it to be Hawkeye because, like, in that comic, he's really, really fun and funny. He's good in the old man, Logan. Yeah. Yeah, I know, but like that's what I would like a similar type of story to where like with that Hawkeye. Yeah, it's like Ringo outliving. all of the Beatles where it's just like this guy is the one that's like at the end of it all. I gotta be honest with you. That's a mother fucking transgression.

Ringo Star is a real person. I've never, ever, ever of all the disses that I have heard towards Ringo Star, it has never been that bad. I've never like Ringo out as if, because he was. I have nothing more respect for Ringo. I love Ringo. He's a beetle. Because he is the beetle that people bang on that he doesn't deserve to live. Okay, first of all, I'm going to give Ringo some love.

He's never missed a take. He's always held that beat. I don't know, man. He's never fucked up on the trash. That's the trend. It's pretty bad for that one. It's pretty bad. That's so nuts.

I can't believe that Ringo did die. What? That's definitely. What are your thoughts on NWA? What? What? Jesus Christ. Steve was like, how is MC Rinn still around?

What? By the way, shout out to Renn, though. That's not even a diss like that, because Renn is the man. Ren is, no, no, that's a, that's a transgression, man. Whoa, let me tell you. You went to Rade. Wait, wait, wait, wait, the only reason why I would say that, the only reason why I would say that, is because if it's Cube and Drey and Easy that people might say Rana Yeller,

Wren is a fucking legend And it would be disrespectful to say that about Rand Wren is the man It would be disrespectful to say that about Wren And it would be disrespectful to say that about Ringo Starr That's all I'm saying It's just it's legalizing The last person you'd expect, okay?

It's not the person that you always think of When you may think of the Avengers Or the Beatles No disrespect to Renn Jomey, no disrespect to Ringo Jomey you could get an old man Logan type If I could do one Yeah

Ringo Star I would like to see Ringo Star At the end of civilization Yeah No great question You know I think it would be interesting to see Black Panther walking around

In like the ruins of Wakanda Where he's Where he's like failed You know what I mean How is he outlived? Does it like something just beat Wakanda Maybe the herb Helped him and there was a major

calamity and his purpose is now not protecting Wakanda. He still has some of his abilities. But you just change that because that character is so grounded by the one thing, him and Namor by the one thing, which is protecting their people and everybody who's like the fucking leader. So I feel like that would be interested to me. Just like, Tachala as a guy trying to find another purpose. Ooh, I like that.

Show me. There you go. I mean, my first pick would have been Iron Man, but they packed him out breast in peace. What if like, so let's say we got like a really good doom, right? And, you know, he ultimately didn't accomplish what he said out to accomplish. And he's like on his last legs. He's like, hey, man, I got to make one last break for it, man.

You know, I've got all this power, all this money. And I'm still dying. What is it all for? You know, that'd be interesting. Doom. Doom. Interesting. So this is like post.

God Killer Doom? Yeah, man. Like, I mean, you know, it ultimately didn't all turn out the way I hoped it did. I only got a couple weeks left, man. How do I put it together? Typical Doom never turns out

the way he wanted to. God King Doom, at the end of that, he got his face back and stuff. Like, what? I didn't read anything after that. Like, what happened to Doom's character after? Do you really want to know? I'm serious.

He became Iron Man. For real? Yeah, there's like a whole Brian Michael Bend is. like a whole comic book series where Doom tries to become like quote unquote a good guy so he like post secret wars post secret wars. Like he became

like a version of Ironman flying around in the suit and he was basically trying to convince like all the superheroes like no I'm good. Like this is around the time of like Superior Spider-Man where like some of the villains were trying to be like we're trying to be heroic. Yeah. Okay. Huh. Jummi.

Hey, speaking of Superior Spider-Man, I could pick that for mine. I could pick Nike when Stacy died. I could pick Spider-Verse. I could go into the movies, you know. But I'm going to zig where others have zagged here, guys. I'm going to go with one of the best shows with, inarguably, the best theme song ever. Spectacular, Spectacular, Spatterberg.

Wow. All right. Jordan LaForgia. I'm a Jordan LaForge. Come on, bro. That's a Jordan LaForge, bro. Listen, come on. I'm very, very curious to know why you picked spectacular Spider-Man.

What are we doing? Spider-Verse is like right there, but so are many other things. We're all tapped in. We're all tapped in, Spider-First, right? I could be in for 30 minutes, speaking of the Richard Spider-Burst. But everybody here knows that. I don't have to get into that because we're all locked in. I'm so proud of you right now, Joe.

Spectacular Spider-Man. I'm so proud of you. Is the quintessential, this is Peter Parker's life show that I've ever seen. Right? he's a kid trying to broke as hell right struggling between high school Spider-Man just trying to be a normal kid right you know he's got Liz Allen he's got Gwen Stacy he's got Mary Jane on the side you feel me this show is the perfect amalgamation of all the things that are wrong with Peter Parker's life how he

tries to balance being Spider-Man with being Peter Parker and how sometimes it works out. And a lot of the times it's a failure. And there are multiple times and multiple episodes where he's like, why am I doing this? What's the point? What is this all for? Every time I do a good thing, every time I try and be the best I can be, it doesn't work out. Why am I even Spider-Man?

I could throw this suit away, live my life the way I'm trying to live it. And everything will happen at the end of the day, it's fine. But every single time he doubts himself. Every single time he throws away the mask, he comes back. You know why? Because he has to do it. With great power comes great responsibility. And Peter Parker always, always comes back.

That last part got me. He always comes back. Okay. Because it's his job and his duty. Talk your shit. And this show, you can watch it on Netflix right now. Do it. Right now.

26 episodes. So, 26. 26. But Joe me. That's what makes Peter Parker special. I like spectacular Spider-Man. Don't get me wrong. Like, I never saw it.

I never saw it. But Van got All-Star Superman, one of the greatest comic books of all time. I got Dark Night Returns. We know what it is. Steve got Logan, one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. You pick Spectacular. Because we can rehash spectacular. We could rehash Spider-Verst.

We all know what's special. That's easy. That's easy. I love this. That's easy. I'm telling you. Why don't you back off, bro? We know that you like it.

You know? I'm so happy. Jomey's come around. We know that you dig it. That would be like me picking like the Super Friends. I mean, it's cool. You know what I mean? It's like what's the best?

What captures your childhood heart more than super friends? I'm not going to be honest with you. That did capture my childhood heart. Yes. It did. I'm not. That's what matters. Super Friends was amazing.

Super Friends was great. But you know it was also great. The original Spider-Man and it is amazing. friends. Do you know, like... With Firestar and Iceman? And Firestar and Iceman. So, Buzz this.

Oh, yeah. I was lucky in on that. And so, so Buzz this. I did not know. That was so misleading as a cartoon because I didn't know that Ice Man was in the X-Men, did not know, because I was a kid

watching that. So I did not know that Ice Man was in the X-Men. And I didn't know that Firestar was like actually like a C-lister from like the new Warriors. I thought that the three of them were a group. So that was your A team right there And so it was Spireman, Iceman, and Firestar

And wasn't there a Miss Lion, the dog? Yeah, I don't remember no dog. Was there a dog? I don't remember a dog, right? Oh, I don't remember no dog. Superman is spectacular, or Spider-Man is a spectacular friend. So I remember when My cousins was like, Iceman, yeah, he's in the X-Men.

I'm like, no, he's not. That's Spider-Man boy. That's Spider-Man boy. No, he's one of the X-Men. He's like one of the, like, he's like one of the X-Men. Like, one of the first, I'm like, no, he's not. He's like, that's fucking Spider-Man's friend.

I've seen it. I watch it every fucking time. And why they decide to do that and mislead a whole generation of kids. Because that was coming on TV when I wasn't in the comics yet. But I love that. The plots of these are amazing. They take the phone and they turn the phone over, whatever it was. And they had secret identities and they were out there fighting.

That was one of, that was my shit. it's good TV this is great there's one plot where Mysterio pits the Hulk against Spider-Man and then he tricks a film director

into putting them into a movie shout out to Mysterio this is a great show there's just a bunch of things that could have been chosen that's what I'm saying

Ultimate Carnage Ultimate Carnage series Ultimate Spider-Man like I could have been here we could have been here all day me for me like Craven's last hunt you know what I'm saying like we got to

that's hey that's the richness of Spider-Man I had a deep bag. You feel me? So this is, so your argument is to like, what makes this the best, one of the best is that like it portrays Peter in the mud

when he's basically like a teenager. Well, no, I mean, it just the, the lengths that he goes through, like he doesn't have to do this. He has a fine life being,

he has a harder life for being a teenager in high school on its own. Then you put Spider-Man in the mix. And oh my gosh, it's a nightmare, but he continues to come back. can you just do it because who else is going to get it done? Here's the thing.

Tough question before we go on to the next round. Be honest, out of these four characters, who has the weakest comic book run out of all of them? Probably, hmm, that's a good question. You'd think it might be Wolverine, but he's got, he's got a run. No, Wolverine got all the X-Men shit, so. Yeah, I don't know. Well, no, but I think about his solo stuff, his solo stuff.

His solo run? I think it should be every, every appearance of Wolverine. I think it should be every appearance of the character. Oh, God. I mean... Wow. Is it Superman? It might be.

Might be. Maybe. But I think the only reason why is because there's some early Superman that people probably weren't reading. And then there's some Superman stuff that's more recent that's really, really good that people weren't reading. But I think some of this stuff, some of these characters, like, I will put Superman update. there with Wolverine's stuff. I mean, but you got Superman and Kingdom come. He's in dark night.

Like, here's the thing. Superman, he gets busy. It's just he doesn't have as many, like, celebrated ones as, like a Spidey or a Batman or even a Yeah, like those iconic stories that like need to be read. Yeah. But I don't think Wolverine has those unless you're kind of him with the X-Men. Without the X-Men, Wolverine is, it gets light. But I know it would probably have to be Superman in a way.

For sure. Claremont run. Yeah. I mean, one more. A more day for Spider-Man is widely hated. Yeah. One more day. Anybody reading Wolverine snicked?

But Batman, Batman, I mean, all of these guys have some bad things that happened. Oh, I mean, if we're going to be honest, would you, Superman, would you take Superman's movies over Wolverines? No. And we're talking about movies. Yeah, no. Movies? I don't know. I think Superman and Superman 2 are two of the greatest comic book movies that have ever been made.

You guys don't fuck with the movies because you guys are children. Excuse me. Excuse me. I love those movies. Superman and Superman, too, are some of the greatest ones that have ever been made. But Wolverine does have... He has Logan. He has Logan.

Got origins. I'm going to be real with y'all. This is a majority of LaForge. Fuck out of here. Don't say it. Do you think origins isn't that bad? I don't mind origins, man. I mean, like, it's like, oh.

Hey, shut up. Come on. Hold on, hold on. Don't gang up on me. This is a transgression. Arjuna? Again, no, no, no, I like this. This is a transgressions.

You get to like Wolverine Origins, but God forbid, I'm like Fantastic Four. Is it terrible? Have some respect. Whoa, get the fuck off me. I agree with you about Fantastic Four. You're talking to somebody else. Oh, I hate Fantastic Four. Yeah, see, y'all weren't outside.

I don't know how Jummy was. When that movie came out, nobody was hating on that fucking movie. You guys are lying. You are lying. I'll fight. You know what? We need to rewatch this. I haven't seen it.

When the Fantastic Four movie came out, the first one. Thank you. Nobody was hating on that movie like this is whack. We went and saw it's like, that's fun. The second one came out. Dime Store Galactus. We had a Super Surfer. We had conversations.

Yeah. Yeah, it was. Do you guys know, do you know what the Rotten Tomato score for the original Fantastic Four is? I don't care. It's a 20%. You all can't be asked. Fantastic. I was in college.

What year did that drop? 2005. I was out of college. Wait, the first one dropped in 2005? The first one, 2005, yeah. Wait, the original Fantastic Four movie was 2005? Yes, with Jessica Alwood's shape. Wow.

No, I was in, but I was, I wasn't in college. I was out of college. Man is old. That's your college of transgression. No, it doesn't. Any bit, just let you guys know, any running bit that is in direct criticism. of standing midnight boy. It's kind of the first question.

That's fine. No, no, no, no, no. They shouldn't count because we've been doing it before. It's grandfathered in. All right. Okay, all right, great. But, so I went to see that movie. Jessica Alba was at her all time.

Oh, man. All time. Oh, man. And I just don't remember everyone being like, we wouldn't saw it and we like that shit. I don't, okay. Wait, last question before we have to get to the next category. Do y'all remember, was this in the original fantastic?

for or the sequel where like Mr. Fantastic was like getting busy. Like he just gets his powers and he's in the club. The dance floor? No, that's the second one. That's the second one. That shit was hilarious. Yeah. That's very funny.

We don't get, we should, we should get something like that. We should get a little goofball stuff. No, you, like, we say that. We say that. We say that. And we hate the movie when it came out. Yeah. And I'll tell you something.

The movie was made an impact with me so much so to the point that when Chris Evans was cast as Captain America, I was kind of like, he's the human torch. You know what I mean? Like, I was, I literally was kind of like, I don't think that he should get it. Because he's already the human torch.

Like, I was kind of like, because that's not that far off. I think that second movie might have been, what, 2007? 2007, yeah. And then Captain America comes out 2010. He kind of just finished his run as human torch and he got to be another character.

I was kind of like, ah. I got to be real. And we're going to be honest. I don't even think Chris Evan was, was cooking as Captain America in the beginning. I was still, I watched that first movie and I'm like, no, we're gonna, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I, I'm strong disagree here. He wasn't until winter soldier.

We got to talk about it. No. We got to talk about it. In Avengers, in, in the original Avengers, he kind of goofy. Like he's kind of like, all right, well. He's kind of, you know, I'm Mr. Soldier Man. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, bro, come on, man.

Looseen up. Why are you so disrespectful? One more time. Give me that again, Jemmy, who I was captain. I love I missed a soldier man He was so stiff He was so stiff Go back and I love the First Avenger

I think that's one of the best Marvel movies Everman made Go back and look at Chris Evans Bro, he's so stiff I thought he was good in it bro I thought he was- The costume was dumb I thought he was bad

The costume was stupid I thought he embodied the character The first Avengers dumb Yeah The First Avengers movie The Avengers movie is bad The First Avengers suit is not that bad No no no

The First Avengers suit is good Yeah, first Avengers suit is good. Listen, I'm never going to disrespect Fantastic 4. That's a movie that changed my life. It's the reason I'm here today. So, you know, we're never going to disrespect that. But Wolverine, their origins? Wow.

Man, that's a take. I'm going to be honest with you. Terrible. That's a take. Okay, so just real quick. Real quick. 20 seconds. The movie has some of the worst moments in the history of comic

comic book movies. Facts. Facts. Okay. Deadpool. Oh, boy. Facts. there are some things in that movie

to me that work. Okay. Does Will I Am work in that movie? Obviously not, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? I forgot how I am I was cool. I thought Gambit was cool. Some of the effects

are bad, but I thought Gambit was true. Gambit, no. Gambit was cool. He was not cool. Gambit was cool. Gambit was cool. Gambit was cool. I thought Gambit was cool. I thought the fight there down there in New Orleans. I thought a lot of

of that stuff. It was cool to me. Like I, some of it, some of it worked to me. The CGI, you know, things were not good. The claws were not great, man. It's not great. I think we were just so hungry to see Gambit on screen for the first time. We were just like, oh, yes, yes, he's here. I wish I lived in the alternate universe where they gave Channing Tatum his Gambit movie. Like, that shit would have been amazing.

Wow. So funny. Is X-Men's Origins Wolverine, that's the one where he actually undergoes the adamantium experiment, right? Yeah. Yes. And the whole Deadpool thing, that's where Ryan Reynolds is waiting. So I'm just reminded.

So you can't tell me that that wasn't a great scene. Like that, some of the, I'm saying is the scene where he's there actually putting it, putting it into his body. And then he pops out. It pops out like he's, I don't know.

That's true. No, that was like it was part of X2. Part of X2. But it was like the specific one where he's like pulling out of the pool and he's like, Oh, yeah, that's close. Yeah, that's what. And you know what? That's what I was getting confused with, for some reason,

X2 is the one that has laid death strike in it, right? Yeah. And for some reason, I'm getting confused. I'm thinking, was laid death strike there when he was getting his shit put in? His shit put in. When he was getting, like, training day. Transgression.

Okay. But that's... But that would be used to you. With that, I'm telling you, I like X-Men's Orgers, Wolverine, a lot more than a lot of people with it. That's fair. This episode is brought to you. you buy Two Good and Company coffee creamers.

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the creamer aisle. All right. Let's go to the next category, Van. Behind every great hero. What supporting character, ally, villain, romantic interest, etc., proves the overall greatness of your hero? Obviously, there are a lot of people I could have chosen. I could have chosen one of the most signature villains in the history of comic books,

Lex Luton. I could have chosen one of the greatest sidekicks, Jimmy Olson. I'm choosing Lois Lane and let me tell you why. That's good. That's good. That's good. No, that's right.

I'm choosing a character that established an archetype and challenged an American preconceived notion about the so-called damsel in distress. They had a relationship and that relationship was built on mutual respect. and the strength of her character. Lewis Lane was no pushover.

Part of the reason why she fell in love with Superman and he fell in love with her was because she was one of the only people that wasn't just crazy in awe of him. Did he make her weak at the knees? Sure, the guy's great-looking. But at the same time, she represented humanity's strength its inquisitiveness, it's stick to it nature.

She represented kind of the frailty of what people are and also kind of the strength of what they could be. There's a very, very popular and ridiculously well-written monologue by Quinn Tarantino and Kill Bill Volume 2, where he posits that Superman views humanity as we can tell. clumsy because he dresses up like Clark Kent. I challenge that. I think he views humanity as

worth saving, as beautiful, and as precious, because he views humanity like he views Lois Lane. And the respect that he has in humanity. To not be a conqueror, to not be a marauder, but to be a servant of humanity. Superman is a superpowered being that is chosen to be a servant.

It's because of his relationship with his parents, of course, but it is actually grounded in how he relates to his woman. And sometimes that can be used against him, most notably in the injustice arc, where things didn't go right. Oh, God. But I'm saying, Lord Slane and Superman, boom!

One and the same mirrors, Justin Timberlake. Good song. Low Slane. Great thing. So I'm going to depart from romance. Okay?

Or you are not... Or this is romance. Well, this is romance. Yeah. That's all right. I got to go with... honestly, the clown prince himself, Joker. Yeah.

There's like, come on. Joker is, I think, if you think of villains, the distillation of the perfect antagonist for a hero. If Batman is order, then you have somebody who was chaos incarnate. You can't tell me, I'll put it out there. If we're just talking about performances, the Joker is the only character in comic book history you can point to,

where it's just like, you can kind of tell who has the heat by who plays him in what year. I just think that whether it's Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, this is a character that in a movie can gross a billion by himself easily. And each time, I don't care, kid, team adult now, every single Joker's story scares me. Killing joke when I was a kid, fucked me up. Like, that All-Moor story, I was like, ugh, disgusting. I can't. Like, this is the worst thing ever.

What was the Scott Snyder one with the face where he has the cutoff face? Like Hannah Wector, it's fucking terrifying. I think Joker is the scariest comic villain ever. He tells you everything about Batman that you need to know. And to Steve's point, one of the greatest romances of all time, there can't be a Batman without the Joker. Maybe they are in love, you know? They're definitely in love. They need one another.

Yeah. Well, and here's the conundrum with Batman sometimes. And with all of these characters, but specifically with Batman. Batman, right? Like, is Batman an ineffective hero? That's for our next segment, bro. Okay, okay. Come on, man.

I'm joking. I find interesting that Charles didn't mention the killing joke movie or Jared Leto. I just find it, she left those out. All right. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Jared Lettell, once again, that's going to be another X-Men or Orange's Wolverine. Really? I didn't mind it.

I think y'all be too hard on this shit sometimes. Like, I really do. We ain't about to say Jared Letta was good as a Joker, bro. Come on, man. It's not that he was good, but, you know, here's the thing, bro. And I have to be honest. After heat, it's going to be hard, right? And there's going to be an extra added scrutiny on everyone.

What's the old boy from the banshees of, of in-sher. Barry, Barry, Oscar nominated. Watch Day, shout out to him. Watch Day cut his ass up.

Watch it be wet. Like, I'm serious, watch. Whoa, after Banschees, after Banshees, he might be able to cook.

Like, he, like. No, he's a fantastic actor. He might be able to pull it off. Like, we'll see, but watch.

Watch if it's not, like, he, he did something that even Nicholson could do. So I just thinking You know Jared Lettel, it was fine You want to beef?

You want to beef? I liked it. Whatever. Steve, who was your big? I say Logan's is like a character that reflects on legacy and I think X23 is a perfect embodiment of that.

It's egregious. This is egregious. Wow. I think that it's, no, I think it's something because X23 has kind of been a character that was in the beginning, thought to be just a simple cookie cutter clone, then amongst other stories, then she became his biological daughter, or he became his biological daughter.

And she grew into something that was far past Wolverine after his passing. She takes up his mantle and his name, sure, but to know that his relationship with her while strained and, you know, at times terrible, it's the growing past him that I really kind of love that something that came out of Logan that came from Wolverine's anger from his trials and tribulations

like he still could turn around and make something right while still making quite a few other things wrong but along with that I just I love the character of X23 and I think she's a perfect example of like the good things that could come out of him. Maybe the word like answer to a thing that we've had in so long, it's actually shocking.

I feel like, like, shout out to X-23. I love you. X-23 as a castor, but, blah. That is so fucked. It's like, that is actually shocking, Steve. Steve, I get it. I was with you, Steve. Don't worry about them, man.

You're listening to there, Steve. I was with you. I know. I love X-23. I've been reading the comics, but, bro, like, Sabretooth is right there. That motherfucker would be showing up on his birthday every, like, every single year to whoop his ass. We got Cyclops. Like, bro, that is, like, him is Cyclops. It's like, hate eating, like, what are we doing?

Did Xavier? Gene Gray? I get, I got a shit on Cyclops. There's so many, bro. It's easy to shit on psych. Okay. You could have the whole X-Men. You could have just said the X-Men.

What? You could have said, the X-Men. bruh you should be a that's tough, bro. Steve,

I love you know what, man, Steve is the man. I can't wait till y'all come over Sunday, man. Steve is like,

like, like Steve is the man. Because that, it takes balls to say of all the things. Of all of things. X-23. Wolverine was dreaming

about Gene Gray in a completely different, like, he was just like, totally change. X-20. That's nuts. Jubilee.

If you'd have said Jubilee. Come on, man. Nah, bro. No, I'm not going to let that. No, no, no, no, no. Hey, that just shows me how young y'all are. Look, I locked. I locked, bro, I locked it to X-Men animated.

Series. That just shows me how young y'all are. Wolverine and Jubilee, that was long wolf and cubs shit when I was coming. Like, that was like. Wait, you're talking about Trader Joe's Kitty Pride? Like, fuck out of here. Jubilee? Why you got this Jubilee, though?

She's whack. Jubilee's whack. Jubilee beat up. She beat all of the Revers one time. People used to talk about Jubilee. She beat all of the Revers one time. But Wolverine and Juke, if you would have said, look, it's your choice. This is why I can't respect you because you be flip-flopping.

Here, Dan, we on Last of Us. You're like, I hate plucky heroes. I hate plucky heroes. Jubilee the worst of them all. Nigger, did I say that I like Jubilee? I said that you believe. It would have been a better pick. Jobby, can you play?

Please tell us who you pick. Oh, my gosh. So, and y'all were like, man, you got a pit. Why don't you go into the spot of verse? Da-da-da. Man, that was right there. That's because my character, right? That means the most that is behind every gay hero.

It's Miles Morales. Guys, we know how much Miles means to us as a hero, you know? but if you don't know the story behind what happened of Miles, he saw his Peter Parker die. Right? In his universe, Peter Parker bit the big one. And in his last moments, he was like, hey, you got to do this for me, man. Pick up the mantle.

Be Spider-Man. He was like, I got you. And he lives his life. But the same creed that Peter lived his, great power, conscriptive responsibility. The whole thing. And if you've seen into Spider-Verse, if you read comics, that means you're locked in.

And you know that Miles has lived his life by that creed, despite his detriment. You know, in the video game, Spider-Man Miles Morales for the PS4, PS5, there was a moment in the game where Miles and his buddy are, they have an app. just go with me here. They have an app. And his homie,

he's like, hey, why don't we put ads on this thing, man? Let's make some money off this thing. He's like, no, man. I was like, no. Can't do it. He's like, we could just do. He's like, no. It's not about the money.

It's about the cash. To be fair, they made like the Citizen app. Look, look, listen. Oh, what? In the game, yeah. In the game, yeah. Hold on. I haven't finished the game.

Miles the feds like that? Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of. Kind of.

Oh. Hold on for a second. Little snitch-ass motherfucker. Like, like, I knew. I always knew his, his daddy was a cop. But I didn't know he was, he was down with snitching situation like that. What's the app? I haven't gotten to that part of the game.

They make an app so that you can, like, find missions in the city. Oh, I know. To like. To like, yeah. Wait, can I, can I, can I, really quickly, I have to ask y'all an important question about Miles. Can Louis and Jomey finish, though? Oh, I thought he finished. Sorry, no, no, just real quick.

At the end of the day, Miles Morales is the very, it's not antithesis, almost, that's the opposite of the word I want to use. But he's the example of the reason which makes Spider-Man so incredible is that I could have gone with Gwen Stacey. I could have gone with May Day Parker.

I could have gone. There's so many people out there. There's so many people out there. There's so many. many people out there that have worn the mask, right? And Miles Morales is just the best example of what makes them special. Spectax superior Spider-Man. See, once you get that great power, great responsibility in your head, man, you're going to be great.

You're going to be great. Charles. So really quick, I have to ask this. As I want to be fair, I love Spider-Verse, I love Miles. Morales. He's one of my favorite characters. Does Miles get to have enough of personality? Like, Peter Parker be cooking.

He's smart. He's a fucking scientist. He's quippy. He's funny. He gets all the girls. Miles is just kind of like a good kid. Like, Miles ain't really funny like that. Miles don't get to be smart.

Miles don't get to date models and shit. He just be there. His personality is being black. Sometimes I'm like, can we give, like, Miles something else to cook? Jesus Christ. Damn. What? Personality, Negro.

That's tough. His personality is being black? Wow. That's how they write him. It was, they had that, what, that, what if when he was Thor? That was tough. Oh, dog. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, bro.

Jomi, let me tell you something. You should have never brought that up. Those stuff. Because now that cuts directly against the argument he should be. That's one of the worst moments in contemporary comic book history. And with Odin's fade, what did he say? He got the ones to fade from Odin. You just know.

But here's what I'm saying. here's what I'm saying. That perfectly points to my point about Miles, like Miles, wait, when they try to make like Miles growing up, Miles, this is that. What's he always doing? Spray painting and shit.

Like, it's just like you don't got like, you know what I'm saying? But here's the thing, though. There are certain things about Spider-Man that they can't do with Miles because of the racial stereotype. Let's say that Miles was like always broke. You know what I'm saying?

Think about it. What if, what if, think about the, The things about Spider-Man, he's broke, he's always out doing shit, so he's fucking up in school, right? Think about if that's Miles Morales. Think about if he's broke, fucking up in school, and chasing women. That's tough. The N2ACP is not going to deal with that. Thank you for the nomination.

Like, you think that Dr. Umar and the rest of them are going to let them write Miles. as somebody who's always late, right? Think about Peter Parker. Never can keep a job. Always late. Can't keep a job. Loves the ladies. And it's fucking up in school.

So they had to change it to really good student who likes to tag a little bit. If not, they're going to have a real problems on the head. Why this is a, hey, hey, hey, another spotty man. Why this is this motherfucker. can't why he fucking up huh so what why why he fucking up why he got all these holes think about it spider man is a i'm not even going to i'm just i'm just saying i would like my momas morales with a few more hose that's it that's a regression for me and van well that okay so you know yeah i mean he got him a white girl

he got him a white girl jesus christ i mean he got him a white you said he got him a white No, as soon as he got powers, he got a white girl. Just like everybody else. So a couple things, right? You know, as, I mean, Vans got a point, you know, half black, half Puerto Rican, like, you can't be, you know, he can't be perpetrating stereotypes. On the same thing, Charles, it is kind of tough that Spider-Man got, you know, black cat, you know, Mary Jang, Wayne Stacey.

Like, he got options on options, you know. And our boy, you know, he's a one-woman kind of. man, which, hey, respect. Black men don't cheat. Let's be honest. Black men don't cheat. Spider wouldn't be playing.

Like, she kind of be like in the movie. She's like, you're cute. And I'm just like, come on, man. Come on, bro. What are we doing? Well, you know, you got a sequel, baby. You don't got to, you know, set some up for part two. Just wait.

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Okay, so it would be hard to argue that Superman is as important as Batman to the movie-making side of Warner Brothers. It would be impossible to argue. Only a fool would argue that. Batman has spawned several different iterations of the character, several different movies with several different actors. They don't always work. Let's keep a gangster. Okay. but most part Batman has been very, very significant here.

I'll tell you this. When you say important to the universe, that to me encapsulates the inception of the universe. Which, what's the most, we're talking about, if we're talking about the actual universe, right, what's the most important thing to the universe? Of course, there are many things that are important. There are many forces out there, gases, planets,

but nothing, I would argue, is as important to the actual universe as is the Big Bang. Because without the Big Bang, there simply is no universe. By that logic, which I think is sound, I would say that Superman isn't just the most important thing to the D.C. universe. That Superman is the most important character in the Marvel universe. in the image universe, in the amalgam universe, in any comic book universe ever, because the ascension of Superman as a comic book character is the spark and the thing that has made everything that we believe

about comic books in this country possible. Batman has always been a character that people have loved, but Batman experienced the Renaissance. in the 70s and in the 80s that catapulted him to the top of the comic book list when we as people changed and didn't believe in some of the things that maybe

Superman stands for. That's fair. That's very true. I would say though before then to be able to capture the imagination of a country and a culture, not just here in America, but a world culture. There was only one character that was able to do that

and that character is Superman. So respect your motherfucking roost. The fuck I'm talking about. Van Ging your bag, my nigga. Transgression at the end of that. Well, all I can say is call me Greta Thunberg because I believe it's sustainability.

It's not all about beginnings, okay? Wow. All right. It is about, can you put in work? Year after year, decade after decade, quite literally holding multiple mediums, comic books, movies, TV, merchandise. On your back.

When we talk about the importance to a universe, if I ask them all fuckers to name me their favorite Batman comic, you could get 10 or 15 different answers. I asked you to name me your favorite Superman comic. I'm like, I'll start Superman. I'm like, all right, well, give me another one. Second point. We talk about...

You name the other ones. you name. I'm sorry. When we talk about Superman, all I know is that motherfucker would be going evil all the time. All right? He's just like any other milk. You leave it out in the sun too long, it curdles. And Beth,

that was real. Whoa! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, Lord! Have mercy, Jesus! Edit that out. Edit. First of all, no. Second of all, Arjuna,

put that man down for a transgression. Calling Superman milk is crazy. Wait, is he not? Is he not? Okay. I want you to finish because I got a volley back and forth with you before Joni and them go. Just go ahead and finish.

All I'm saying is that there's a reason why Maga Clark Kent has to be taken down in games, in comic books, in movies. There's a reason why Batman got to keep that kryptonite on him, because he knows this crazy alien motherfucker is going to fuck shit up. So we're talking about who is more important to a universe. I would say it is the character who knows that his boy, his best friend, be wildly, all right? All right. Fair enough.

I just like to bring up a couple points about Batman real quick. Number one. Number one, actual criminal. Number two, fuck Robin's girl got her pregnant. Facts happened. All right. We were talking about who's the better person. Fuck Robin's girl, got her pregnant,

an actual thing, and then told Robin to get off his balls, right? Treating everybody around them like shit, okay? Number three, billionaire. Billionaire, okay? He's a billionaire. All right. So we know that there's shady shit going on in there. He's a wealth hoarder.

All of Gotham fucked up. Crazy. Why not do some things economically to change shit so that got, no. What are you going to do? Beat the fucking poor people up is what you're going to do. All right? So, look, I don't want to hate on Batman because he's a noble motherfucker. I'm not hating on him.

But I'm saying there's a lot of red in that ledger. There's other stuff that we could be talking about, too. Batman has done all of this stuff in Superman. You call Superman MAGA out of nowhere. It's very unfair. It's not fair. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Gotta be real.

In Dark Night Returns, that was a MAGA motherfucker. He was working for Reagan. No bullshit. Come on, man. No bullshit. But that's more of an America thing. Batman would never work for Reagan. You know this.

Brough, bro. It doesn't matter. Batman would never. work for the government. That's true. But the question is how much tech... Think about the Tumblr and stuff like that. That was stuff that they were developing

for the military. That was stuff that they were developing for the military. So he's working for the government. And by the way, Bush was president at that time. Joe Me and Steve, can you argue on Spider-Man of Wolverine before they get us out of the pain, please? All right, Jomey. He'll be with it.

You're first, my boy. Come on, now. Foof, all right, well. Held down the X-Men for generations. Started his own school, made, I don't know, changed countless mutants' lives. Kind of had his imprint on history throughout generations, tried to do his best in instrumental in shaping different outcomes of wars. He was a soldier. he was

really kind of the person a surprisingly great leader of the X-Men at one point and really held it down for Charles and everybody else to, you know, after their passing.

It kind of sucks. Also, he, you know, dated Storm after she split up from Black Panther. So that was pretty cool too. Steve, that last point. Can you elaborate? I mean, that's all that it was.

Do you condone white men going after our yes or no please you know that he does you already know we have evidence first of all

first of all you're acting as if Storm doesn't have her own autonomy and I don't appreciate that so

Steve that's what the fuck I'm talking about Steve Steve Steve by the way by the way

clear transgression acting like storm acting like storm is a piece of property to use in a race one like clear transgression

you see I flip that on Charles you see I flip that on Charles you see I flip that on Trump Damn. Steve's growing up, man. Stores her own woman. I like that, Steve.

All right. I mean, you said it right there, Steve. You know, X-Men, X-Men, X-Men, X-Men, X-Men, X-Men, X-Men. I'm not hearing a lot of Wolverine from you, pal. Okay? Spider-Man. It's all him. No matter what story, no matter what movie, no matter what was happening,

Spider-Man was the center, okay? Whether it's, you know, trying to save Gwen Stacy, whether it's him and the symbiote, it's all Spider-Man. Now, we can sit here and, you know, argue for hours about who is truly more important to the universe. But I posit this, my man. They're, uh, when's the,

what's the next Wolverine movie coming out? What's the next X-Men movie coming out? Spidey, we got June, baby. Are you locked in? Are you locked in, my boy? Locked in for that Spider-First movie. Joe, me, you ain't go act like everybody's not waiting for the MCU X-Men.

Yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, you're acting like we don't have like Craven the Hunter movie on the, on the, on the, on the, I mean, I don't have Madam Webb. You got more of this. You got to hold that out, man. Like, you know, I'm just saying, it's been a minute. I know what I'm saying? I'm, like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm waiting for the answer.

This is actually a good question, though. Right now in culture. Because Batman and Superman, look, my argument is steeped in a lot of history. That's not, that's not a big argument. I'll be honest with you. Sure. But I still think he's more important. But in terms of who's hotter right now,

it's not a big argument. There's an argument to Wolverine and Spider-Man now. Like, who's hotter? Oh, for sure. Who's, like, so, because, okay, give us a second to kind of play this out. Now, obviously, Spider-Man is more top-of-mind now because... For sure.

But that's really because he's an Avenger, you know? And also, like, we've also had a bit more of a cult... I mean, well, not really actually. So I put this, Wolverine was the Ironman of Fox's X-Men's franchise. Facts. Yeah, very true. Not even. They're bringing back for Deadpool, which shows you how much like, even today,

Logan Hugh Jackman means something in terms of wattage, in terms of when you put him in something. For me, man. No, you're right, trust. I thought you had the clip right there, Jomey. I love that video, man. I love that video, man. I love that video. But based on the fact that we haven't seen Wolverine in the movie in, what, five years?

Yeah. Was it Logan? Yeah, about that. Has it been that long? Was it 2017, 2018? It might have been 2017, yeah. It's been a minute. It's been a minute.

So we haven't seen them in the movie in five years. And in that five years, Spider-Man has been in. Oh, shit. Like, well, if we're talking to 2017, even 2018, Infinity War, No Way, End game. Far from home, no way on. So four movies. So four movies in that time. And if you have to throw,

you have to throw Spider-Verse in there. Yeah. Spider-Man is hotter now because he also has the games. But I think it's about to be the decade of Wolverine next guy. Hmm. The decade.

This motherfucker like 53 years old. They're going to recast him. Yeah. They're going to recast them. Yeah. But if they recast them, it's going to be, when y'all think Wolverine getting recasted. Oh, man.

I like it. Two, three years, right? Like 2025, 2025, 26. It's got to be after Kang, which really is, that's when, like, because that's the thing, when you recast or really bring in what the, like, long-form Wolverine for the MCU is going to be, that's when,

okay, here are the X-Men. So you've got to think of everybody when that happens. And that's got to come after Kang. Like, there's no way that doesn't come after Kang. We're going to be here for somebody a while. That's, that's, yeah, We're going to be waiting for a minute. That's an interesting question.

We need a poll on that. Last question. Last question. Who's the bigger character and culture right now? Because I'm really trying to think. What do you think would make the streets hotter? A Miles Morales live action movie or the first MCU X-Men movie? First MCU X-Men movie.

Probably, yeah. Probably. I think that's why we're, I think honestly, like, whatever, you know, comments about superhero fatigue is, like, why are we really still in the cart for the MCU? Is it the Fantastic Four? or is it the X-Men? I just want to see how the X-Men are going to look in the MCUs. Probably.

They probably give them the classic look, right? The yellow. Would you put Wolverine and them in their, like, in their actual costumes? Would you actually do the, like, all right, we're put. Oh, man, I would love to see a rip on the first class outfits. I mean, that's the MCUs, like, bread and butter. That's what they do really well is, you know, adapting these, you know, kind of hokey comic book looks into live action.

Like, we saw it in Hawkeye, right? Like, you know, he doesn't have, like, the mask, whatever, but the purple, the deep purple that he really didn't have in the Avengers, she had it in the show. And you're like, oh, you know, like Kate's look straight for the-for-en. Is Wolverine the type of character that the MCU could build their X-Men franchise around now? Or does Wolverine have to be? I mean, would you run it back, though? What you mean? Because, I mean, that's what they did for the, like, we talked about for the first X-Men films.

you know, Hugh Jackman was the guy, so they just ran it back with him. He was their Iron Man, right? Like, what he's the most... Well, Wolverine's the most popular X-Men of all time. That's what I'm saying, right? So would you run it back? Like, would you just like, hey, Wolfring's the guy? Let's do that again.

Or would you try to switch it up? Would you try to make it cyclops? I feel like I might want to switch it up. Because, like, we know how, like, known Wolverine is. Like, he's a known quantity. We could probably use him in, like, better spots, I guess. Like, you could build up to him. I think they're going to try to Robert Downey Jr. Wolverine.

Like, they need that type of character. Because we're, they probably don't have, like, if you think about the current MCU, what's the problem? We don't have that type of iconic character still, like, knocking around. It's true. And you can't build it around like, you know, remember when they tried to make Jubilee the main character of that one movie? Which one movie? Jubilee. Shut up.

Apocalypse? What? Or apocalypse? Yeah. Yo, I couldn't even finish that movie. So, I don't even finish it. Apocalypse, man. So after the scene where he does the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the apocalypse.

The those quicksilvers scene, which, like, I go back and watch him so often because it's so funny, like, you know, him doing this thing. After that, it's kind of a snooze fest. I'm not going to lie. I see the vision, Charles. I understand. Why didn't they make apocalypse big? I don't know, man. He's big.

He's big. He's big. He's big. He's gigantic. And he's like 10, 12 feet tall. And he's also like gray? Like, you know, he was just, he was just blue. They did Oscar Isaac's dirty, bro.

He tried it. He tried. That was tough beat. He gave it a shot, man. It was cool. Better Moon Knight. Better Moon Night. Y'all, we have to talk about...

Like, they keep putting Oscar Isaac as a superpower being in Egypt, and it's kind of like, yeah, you know? Can I ask this, like, truly, this is... I'm not even trying to be offensive. What, like, uh... Ethnicity? Ethnicity is Oscar Isaac? Let me look.

Let me look it up, because I asked the same question via Moon Knight. Because I was watching Inside Ruin Davis yesterday. He's Guatemala. He's Guatemalan. I'm like, what? What is, you know? He's Guatemalan. He's a man.

Oh, I love Oscar Isaacs. I'm just wondering. He's from Guatemala. He's Guatemala City he was born in. Oh, okay, okay. But then he was the man down in Miami. You know what I mean? Anyway, all right.

Don't you guys have to go against each other now? Was that Steve? That was he? We did. I did. But I like that. I like that conversation because, like, it's a, that's more of a wholesome and hearty conversation.

It was like, oh, yeah, who does have more, more heat on them? You know what? Let's go, let's go to the last category because we need wholesome. That's not the midnight boys. Yeah. What's the last category, Joe? The Ain't Shit Awards. In the last segment, men of boys are allowed to roast, mock, and debase each hero,

while the other person must defend their hero. First up, Superman. Oh, man, I can't wait. So here's the thing about about Batman. We're doing Superman first. Oh, I have to mock my own hero? No, no, no, no. We're mocking.

We're mocking your hero. Oh, so y'all, okay, go ahead. Superman, the only character that's evil in every other universe he's in. Like, I've never seen a hero like that before. Homelander, Omni Man. Come on, man. It's bad. The last couple of years have been bad for Superman.

Even if we want to be honest, Scott Snyder is a, that Superman was. Not the greatest. Snapping next left to me. Do I get to defend him? Well, yeah. Yeah, we're still going. Where's the thing, right?

With Superman, like, outside a man is still, when was the last Superman movie we really enjoyed? You know what I mean? You gotta go back to the 60s for that. That's tough. Also, when's the last time you got beaten?

I was in the 70s. I'm sorry, my fault. Superman got all that power. Name me the last time you saw him in movies, TV, anything. Getting work done. I don't know. The mustache?

Oof. That's the CGI mustache. We can talk about the mustache. That's work. Come on, man. Also, Superman, got to be real. His villains suck. His villains suck.

He got two good villains. And we know who they are. Lexington or Rainiac. Van, can you list me any other good Superman villains? Zod. All right, three. Who else? I don't know.

Solomon Grundy is pretty cool. Bras. No. The barrel, dog. Come on, man. Bizarro. Bizarro is not cool.

Doomsday is pretty cool. You guys don't like dooms? Doomsday, I mean, like, not that we've seen on screen. No. Doomsday kind of whack, bro. It's a big, you know, I understand. Like, he's big in the mythology. Thing.

The death of Superman. You know? Yes. I like Superman's villains, man. I mean, he don't have as deep a rogue gallery as, say, a Batman. Wolverine doesn't have a rogue gallery.

That's he does. What are you talking about? Sabretooth. Death strike? Lady Death strike? Okay. Keep going to go. What you'll call it?

Damn, he really talked about it. All he's shit is X-Men. X-Men villains. Omega Red. Oh, no. Omega Red is not really Wolverine thing. But look, let me say this about Superman. let me just rebut a couple of you guys' things.

Number one, you're right about Superman being evil everywhere else. I've addressed that. That's because we as humans have lost faith in ourselves. So we cannot believe that someone that is powerful would also be altruistic. Maybe we're right. But the question I would ask is, what does it say about us that we think so little of ourselves and what does it say about Calell that he

thinks so much of us. That is the beauty of the character. Of course they make him evil now because a good Superman is no longer sexy. That didn't get the clicks and the hits. You know what I mean? Now he's got to take his vision and burn

through people and beat the trash out of his own son. But I would also say that it also, in these other places, I would say that Mark is a super Superman. All right. He's more Spider-Man. Come on.

He's got, no. I mean, maybe. I mean, kind of. I mean, he's a super boy. You know what I mean? He's got it. So I still fighting for his life.

I still think that's enough out of you. But I think the Superman's, the Superman analogs that you see now, you know, not just Omni-Man and Homelander, but even guys like Hyperion. and the century. There's always something to make those guys, those characters, a little bit more corrupt

because we've changed the way we relate to ourselves. That's another reason why the character's so special. I'll also ask this before I'm done. That, sure, there might have not been Superman movies that people really loved Jomey, but I will remind you that Superman has been ever-president culture, including a 37-year run on a CW show called Smallville

that everybody loved and Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman Damn, you down bad, bro. Whoa, these were huge shows. You got to go back to Smallville and Lois and Clark, come on, man. You guys said that Superman, well, I'm saying

that Superman has always been here. Lawson Clark was one of the biggest shows unfortunately starring somebody that's MAGA so it's not great for me but like Lois O'Clock was one of the biggest shows and the Smallville ran forever and once again just like Superman always does

Smallville was the launch pad to an entire television superhero revolution that was on that show that started with Smallville so once again Kallel is the building block for all you motherfuckers.

I can't wait to shit on y'allelaw, let's go to Batman. Guys. Have that, have that Batman. There's nothing that Batman can't solve that a bigger check and a better politician can't do. Invest in your community.

Yeah, like, is Batman, does Batman vote red? Like, does Bruce Wayne vote red? Like, let's talk about it. No, but let's speak on it, right? Because he's got to keep up appearances, you know, so he's at the thing. Like, people ask him like, hey, Bruce,

like, how do you feel about? you know, universal health care, you know? Punch, punch, punch, punch. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sure, like, he might, maybe, like, he might vote blue, like, on the side. But speaking to his rich home, he's probably like, yeah, man, you know, yeah, we hate the poor.

High five, you know? So I don't know, man. Can you trust a guy who's that deplicitous? We'll see. Like, I don't know, man. It's not like broken here. That's what it sounds like to me, all right? Wow.

You a bitch. Wow. Let me tell you something. I love that, man. But let me tell you something. Batman is a really ineffective hero. We love Batman. Speak on it.

Ineffective. Like, we love Batman. We love Batman. Here's the thing about other heroes. Some on this list. They actually save people, you know? So it was like, hey, it's a fucking typhoon that's about to happen in someplace. Superman, we're over there, save all the people, put them on the, you know, whatever, whatever.

Batman's whole job is really to eliminate criminals and he doesn't do a very good job of that. Like he does a good job of putting people in the worst correctional institute ever. Every couple of years, they all break out at the same time and people die. Batman's inability to actually affect lasting change in Gotham

tells me one thing. Batman's heroism is more about himself than it actually is the people of Gotham. Batman is fighting against something. Understandable. We get it. We get it. He's fighting against something.

But that thing that's driving him to fight is more important than actual results. Joker going to continue to kill. His kids being born right now in Gotham. that are going to die at the hands of the Joker after he poisons all the bibs in the city for no reason. And you know what's going to happen?

He's going back to Arkham. At least, Batman, at least build a dungeon in your crib under the back cave. Like a special dungeon. Take all of that money that you made and build a special dungeon that he can't break out of. He won't even do that. He takes him and lets the tax base of Gotham

imprison the most dangerous man in the world, and it's never worked. The jokes are you lived all kinds of things. I would just like to pause. Hold on one second. One second. I would like to pause it and, you know, let me,

I'm going to just try and keep calm for this. Without prep time, the man is just a six to rich boy. That's it. That's all y'all got. That's all y'all do. You understand what I'm saying? Prep time, prep time.

Listen, it's just a man. Without the spider bite, Peter Parker's already all day. being in itself. He's just... He is just a man. Charles, I don't care...

I don't care what kind of man, what kind of prep time you're supposed to be? Well, Superman coming at you with that smoke, dog. What's prep time going to do when he's coming from Alpha Centurai? You know, at the speed of light. Getting understand what I'm saying? Well, Batman, well, we got...

Well, Batman will have the crypt... No, shut up, dog. Batman going to get clapped. You're going to get clapped. All right? Let's stop with the BS. I'm tired. I'm sick.

My rebuttal is, dog. My rebuttal to all of you, you want to know why Batman's so ineffective? Because the rest of the heroes in his universe ain't fucking shit. What happens when, oh, man, Starro just made all of the Justice League evil? Batman's like, fuck, all right, cool, like, A, Nightwing, back, girl, Robin, can y'all, like, handle Gotham real quick? I got to go take care of the Evil Justice League now. Wonder Woman, she's battling a fucking-talking cheetah. Meanwhile, Batman got a goal against fucking Joker.

The fucking Ridler, Penguin, he got his hands full. There ain't enough billions, trillions of dollars in the world to deal with all the problems Batman got. Meanwhile, you got a man with a magic fucking ring. A magic fucking ring. And he's all fucking off in space, not helping Earth. Brough, maybe, maybe all the rest of the Justice League ain't shit and Batman picking up the weight.

Can I be real with you? We don't see these problems in Star City and some of these other places. We don't see these problems. These people will be holding their shit down. You can go to an amusement park in Metropolis right now and have a fantastic ride. Eat peanuts with your family and all of that stuff like that. Try to go to an amusement park in Gotham City.

As soon as you get there. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, that's because- It's your time to die, kiddie. Superman's biggest problem is fucking Donald Trump in his city. Like that's his biggest problem. Like, bro, Batman, meanwhile, he's just like, oh, bro, the scarecrow got a new toxin. All right, guess all it invented antidote.

They're doing this because ain't no, Charles, they're doing this because there's no consequences. They know they're going to go to God. They're going to like, bro, these niggas have elaborate hideouts. Pequin lives in an old, like, fucking sewer glacier thing under the ground. The Joker and abandoned. chemical plants, the two-faced. Like, these guys are around, and they know ain't shit going to happen.

They're going to go to jail, and they're going to come back out, and then they're going to try their next scheme. It's got to be two-face. Well, does it have to be? This is how ineffective Batman is, right? Not only do you need Batman to patrol Gotham. You need Batgirl.

You need Gotham girl. You need Oracle. You need Catwoman. You need Signal. You need Robin. You need Batgirl. You need Red Robin. You need Nightwing.

You need Batwing. Now y'all are against teamwork? You're not. The wing of the bat. Red Hood. You're all against teamwork now. You need Harley Quinn. Like, what's going on?

Baton man in these streets. You're supposed to be running these place. You know, you're supposed to run in this place. Meanwhile, you got friends on friends on friends on friends. Like what I'm saying? Are you supposed to be in charge? But I'll see, like, here's my- All I know is Batman has an effective system.

Batman has an effective system when he can make role players into superstars. All right? Superman, meanwhile, has a fucking dog. Like, what the fuck is Superman doing? Nothing.

Where's Bozeman at? Where against dogs? Crypto is the man. And by the way, I will say, last thing I'll say about Batman. Is this hard to come

into Batman City because that nigger will make you get out? I'm saying? You come into Batman City? You got to move. You're trying to help. He's like,

what are you doing in Gotham? I take care of things around here. Every time Superman tries to help him the comics, he's like, get out, bitch. Get out. Superman comes in. He's like, hey, yo, it's, you know, I can hear the screams and the cries of the citizens here, like, a week. Let me help out.

Get back to Metropolis, Clark. And before you come next time, call. And Superman, like, Superman flying away, like, God, damn, my dog, got problems. You know what I'm saying? My G needs some help, man. And you know, oh, last thing I'll say about Batman, there's one opinion about Batman

that matters more than any other. Alfred. And Alfred is begging him to stop. This is rough. This is rough. Alfred, Alfred, that's one opinion about Batman that matters more than anyone.

Alfred's like, Batman is like, Alfred, I've reverse engineered the toxin and I know how to solve it. All we need is access to Gotham's water supply. I should be able to have it in two days. And Alfred goes,

oh, you don't want to go on a date? Go to therapy. You don't want to. Like, seriously, bro, like, hold on, let me let some light in this bitch because, like, your skin getting pale. You don't want to, you know, you got, you got 70 billion dollars.

You ain't got no hose, bro. Don't you want to have a, Oh, whoa, let's not do that. He has a host. Catwoman. Talia. He has a lot of... Do I continue?

Wonder Woman? There's a lot of holes. I'm sorry. All right, that's also a transgression. This is a... Yeah, it's a transgression. It's a transgression. Okay.

No, you're time. You guys is time to go now. All right, Wolverine. Let's go. All right, Wolverine, I got to be honest. My man, down bad. How you let Cyclops? Crazy.

Like, Cyclops? Like, got more work things like, bro. Stop. This man's only powers his eyebeams. And you, like, come on, bro. You know what disappointed I was? Cyclops is very powerful. No, I love Cyclopsies.

He is very powerful. You know what this point I was when I found out that. Roofrey wasn't even running the X-Man, man. That was supposed to be the man. That was not even the leader. Not even a leader. That's crazy. You don't need to be a leader sometimes.

It's tough, man. That's your man. Also, you want to be honest. That's all you do. Endangering young women constantly, Kitty Pride, Jubilee, Armor. And he would stabbing motherfuckers in those movies. But this is what I say about Wolverine, bro.

I love Wolverine, man. I love all of these heroes desperately. But, like, in the grand scheme of things, like, we can talk about psychops all we want. But psychops at one point went crazy and then had a Phoenix egg. You know, like, in the grand scheme of things, Wolverine is kind of a bitch. Yeah.

You know? It's like, it's, Wolverine gets his, he's emotional. He gets, he lets his emotions get the better

over, for sure. I mean, like, the mutant's powers start to go so crazy. Like, when I was, when I first started

reading the X-Men, it was like, she can read minds, move stuff with her mind. Okay. This person can shoot eye beams. This person can fly

using wings. And then we got to the point to where this person has the ability to take apart ionic matter, reconstructed on a molecular level. This person,

is a universal reality warper can go into your brain by the time you got to a point they scaled the powers up so crazy it started off with Richter not even to me there were way more powerful characters than Richter

but I'm like he can make an earthquake like how can you stop him like I was thinking to myself like what's going to be able to do if Richter can make an earthquake I was thinking to myself like hey all right Richter 15 15 earthquake

that all of you are dead. Like what are you? Like, what can you do? Like, Magneto, all of these powers are so crazy when it's compared to Wolverine. That's why it's always people trying to get what Wolverine has in him. Magneto poked Wolverine so easily. Hey, get up out of my face and talk to Charles. Bye. Back to Canada. Here's first class flight. Woo! Alberta. You know what I mean? And he's an awesome character, but like, when you start to look, No, he got to be up on you to cut you with them claws, man. Man, I just like being shot Wolverine and this.

Get the hell out of my face. You know what I'm saying? Take a minute. My last point about Wolverine is Wolverine is the worst type of friend. He's constantly dirty mac and the whole time, psychops with Gene. He's just like, hey, yo, Gene, you could do better. You could do better, girl.

And I'm like, bro, relax. When Black Panther had Storm, he's up his Storm's ear being like, hey, you know, you really in love with them? Like, is this just duty? Like, listen, he's 5'3. He's got Napoleon complex. He's got a lot to work out. Like, bro, like, dog, relax.

Like, I would never want Wolverine in my corner. No. Everybody's girl. Everybody's girl, bro. Everybody's girl walking there smelling like outdoors. Irresponsible. Just completely irresponsible. You know, there's, I wouldn't let Wolverine 10 feet near me and my girl, bro.

Because he's going to slide up. thing. I'll be like, hey, so what, like, what does he do? You know what I'm saying? Like, what's he about? I'm like, bro. Like, I'm right here. I can see you. You know how disrespectful that is? And rude? Also, he has a bad nightmare in bed one night. Sick, you did. Oh, he's unstable. I mean, like, he went out, I mean, Charles, you mentioned it, but he went on set on on Dring Gray in the movies, man. Like, just down horrendous.

He's always killing Gene. I'm just like, bro, we can't figure out any other way. Like, I don't know. He's unstable. He's unstable to have around. He's unstable. Bad role model for kids. Bad news bears. Even though he protects kids really well.

And this is the thing. I'm going to say something nice about him because he has so many glaring flaws. I do fuck with Wolverine, like, the most. Because, you know, he's just kind of like, whatever, but it's like crazy, right? But it's still like, I don't know, dog. I kind of don't fuck with you, but I do. Because if Wolverine was around, he would be the last character that you would want to be, like, at your crib. He's cutting up your walls.

He's talking to your girl. You know what I mean? He's communicating with your animals. I come over here right now. Drinking all your beer. Drinking all your beer. Can't even get drunk. Drinking it for fun.

Drinking it for fun. Can't get drunk. Healing factor. Well, he comes over here. He got your Wolverine steps to your house. He's got your girl, your dog, and all your Stellas in like five minutes. What you got?

Nothing. You used to be cool. This guy got claws coming out of his hands. Tough. Tough. Can't have it. Can't have it. It's about a man's turn.

Oh, I can't wait. Spider-Man the dumbest motherfucker alive. How are you that smart and constantly broke? It don't make sense. It makes no sense whatsoever. Okay, Iron Man out here. Money. Mr. Fantastic, money.

Spider-Man right there. What's happening? Jomey, do you have an answer? Capitalism is evil, and the fact that you would call into this podcast and spew these pro-capitalism takes. And this time is just honestly disappointing. and frankly should be transgression worthy. How dare you? It's not all about money, Charles.

Sometimes it's about what's inside. Smells broke. Come on, man. I don't know. Also, I got to be real. Spider-Man a little misogynistic, if we're going to be real about it. Little misogynist.

Would you elaborate on that? How? Yeah, I've never thought about this. I didn't really have a reason. I was just trying to throw that out. That's so, that's a transgressive. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's not a allegations around. What? That's not. I was trying to get on his taxes too. I couldn't. That's nothing. There's nothing. That's nothing about Spider-Man.

That's that, bro. That's not right, bro. That's not right, Charles. You should apologize, brother. I apologize to Peter Parker and the whole Parkerville. Uncle Ben, of me.

I mean, the thing about Spider-Man, to be real with you is like, he just like, he, he's annoying, right? Yeah. He's annoying, he's very tearful, and there's nothing wrong with showing emotions, but like, you know, like after the fight, because we need you to be dialed up, you know,

he's very, he makes very small problems into big, complex issues. Oh, could you elaborate on that, please, sir? Okay, how about this? So, a dude getting robbed. Mary Jane's waiting for you at dinner. man you got to let this person take they lick like you got to let this person take they lick bro come on man that's a bro you know how many robberies

per day in new york spider man doesn't stop but if you have the power spider man is not stopping people from being robbed so the reality is look you spot throw a spider tracker on them because he's got those right spider tracker then after the robbery you know after you know after the robbery come back and get the person. If it goes super left, whatever. Every little problem in his life is something that just gets magnified by the fact that he is so indecisive. He doesn't know what he wants

out of life. He doesn't really have any sort of gravitas as far as to be able to impose his will on people. It sometimes seems like Spider-Man is a prisoner of his own story. I love Spider-Man, but it's like, bruh, I was remember watching the Future Foundation, reading the Future Foundation, reading the Future Foundation. He's with the Fantastic Four, whatever, when he was with the Fantastic Four. They're trying to solve complex problem. He's hanging from the roof.

I'm like, jump in. Make a difference, Spider-Man. You know, and he's also got something else that I, y'all know I don't really like. Charles, what I'm about to say? Plucky? He's plucky. He's real plucky.

I don't like pluck. You know what I'm saying? Get the, I don't like the pluck, man. He's plucky. He's too plucky, you know. I mean, last thing, going off your point, he's real. That indecisiness gets him all fuck as killed. Don't be Spider-Man's friend, bro.

Don't be his girlfriend. Uncle Ben, dead. Chris D. Dead. Harry Osborne. Dead. I could keep going. Y'all want me to keep listening to how many people, like Peter Parker got the powers

of a spider and can't save anybody. Now, he'd be getting squashed like a spider. And, and, and, up May took it on a chin. in Spider-Man far from home or no way home. She took it on the chain. They finally went too far. They finally went too far. Grab your auntie, swing out the building,

drop her on the ground. You're safe. No. What do you want to do? You want to fight the guy? What does he do? He kills her. For what?

For what? So you could save the Green Goblins life? Think about the stupidity. rank idiocy. Like you sacrifice you sacrifice the most important person to you so that Doc Ack, Green Goblin,

electro, and Sandman can strike again. All right, maybe not Sandman because he was actually a eyeed in the movies, whatever. He wasn't really a villain. But think about it. For no reason, they die. So, okay, I hear you.

I mean, you know, instead of killing the villains trying to rehabilitate them, sounds like another character that we discussed today. Batman. But to speak on his decisive indecisiveness,

I disagree. In fact, it's quite the opposite. He is very decisive, right? He knows, hey, if I don't do anything, nobody else will. And this person could be hurt

or worse. So it's my job, it's my duty. Nay, it's my responsibility. to do something because no one else will. And yeah, sometimes

it messes up a date, it messes up a work assignment, it messes up getting home on time for your curfew with Aunt Maine. But at the end of the day, if Spider-Man doesn't do it, who will? Who will step up and protect the people of New York City?

I posit. Only Spider-Man would. That's why he's the man. Okay. Spider-Man, Spider-Mezy. You know what I'm saying? This was a lot of fun. I was there for two hours. I could see anybody win. I can see anybody win. Arjuna, are you still there? Yeah. Did you keep track of the transgressions? I did. All right. Who had the most transgressions?

You did. Godday. Wait, really? Wow. You had six. Van had five. Oh, no. Okay. You and Van both had six. Hey. Damn. How many did Jomi and Steve have? I clocked three for Steve and I didn't clock anything. Bullshit.

Bullshit. Look at you. Man, I just want to make my parents. Arjuna. They raised me right. You feel me? Wow.

You need to chill, bro. Because, like, that's no way that he had a clean show. Like, he had a show zero transgressions. This is what I want you guys to do. Out there, the midnight mom and the midnight line. I need you guys to do your own count. I'm serious, bro. I need you.

We demand to re-dye. You got a midnight transgressions audit. Arjuna is the official, what Arjuna says about the transgressions goes. Okay? Arjuna is the official transgressions keeper. But I think that in light of the fact that Jomi had zero transgressions. Like not one transgression, I think that, I think it's only fair. that we have

the fans review this and sent evidence of any transgressions you think that Jomi might have had. It's the last two-minute report of a... It's the last too many report. We got to go, man.

Oh, man. We got to go. Zero transgressions, Arjuna. I can think... Zero. Clean show. Clean show. Okay, clean show. Fucking bullshit.

I'm going to see, what are the chances you guys think that I can have a clean show? Wow. Wait, who do you got? The day when you're here? I want to do a competition.

I think I could have a clean show before then. I mean, we can't do it next week because it's going to be the superhero. Oh, yeah. Transgression. After that, clean show. I'm a green show before then. Guarantee it. You got to vow that this will be your clean show before the show.

All right. Oh, we have to call your shot. Yeah. All right. Not next week because we're going to be on our shit. Yeah. week after that, clean show. Fucking clean show.

Everybody can... We should do a bet on it. We're gonna talk about like the best s'mores recipes. No, no, it won't. I can do a clean show and still be entertaining. Charles, do you feel like

the last of us part that we recorded was a clean show? No, it definitely wasn't. Hell no. Hell no, bro. No, definitely. All right. That's a wrap.

Follow us on socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job. Jomey needs that Salina S7. Don't forget, you can catch Charles and myself and Mal and Joe, giving our reactions, deep dives to The Last of Us on the Prestige TV podcast feed. I'll tell you guys that episode three of The Last of Us is sensational. It is in fact.

One of the best episodes of television I've ever seen, and you guys should watch it and then come and listen to us. This Friday, the House of R will be giving you their mailback episodes. It's very special. They're going to be asking, or they're not going to be asking. They'll be answering questions. On Wednesday, the Midnight Boys will give you the long-awaited. I'm talking Dirk Diggler long-awaited.

Oh, sequel to the black superheroes draft. Transgression for next show. Oh, yeah. Transgression for next show. You already set the next one with one. Stay tuned for more credits. Our producer is Steve, the architect, Allman. Jomi, the Explaner, is on social media.

Hatsack. Jomi's right. An additional production by our show. Arjuna, Rob Gapal, Charles, take his out. Arjuna is crooked. Tensions next episode will mount. For this midnight transgressions, I demand a recount. Abim-a-boo!