The Ringer-Verse - The June Look Ahead | Mint Edition

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

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Content apocalypse. Content avalanche? Content. My content exception. We'll work it out. The con circus tent? I don't know. See, what was that?

What was we trying to do there? Tent. It's a tent. Circus tent. So we go in and it's like, I mean, it's more like. It's the big top. It's the, you know what it is? What?

Pause. ContentCon. 20. What? What? It's a big top. Jesus. All right. Anyway.

It's ContentCon 24, man. Yes. ContentCon. 2024. It's like you go to one corner. Bo, you got the boys. Got another corner. The Akely.

It's just you go to another spot. Hot D. It's hot D. And then I go to the back right about a kitchen. You got the bear. There's a lot going on in June. ContentCon. Let's go.

You got your tickets for ContentCon, Steve? Yeah. You know I do VIP. That's right. Guest passes all today. All right. But before we get into all of that, some programming reminders for you all.

Tomorrow, the House of R is going to be giving you their deep dive into Furiosa, a Mad Max saga. Also, tomorrow, Button Mash returns to build their best video game remake roster. And on Wednesday, the Midnight Boys, are back with the season premiere of the Acolyte. Yeah. We're going to be in for a wild one.

Dog, I'm telling you, content con. We're going to be locked in on all this content, brother. Well, if you want to find out about all that and more, where could they find us? Oh, that's a good question, Steve. They can find us at Ringiverse on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and on Facebook in the Facebook group. What's the new app that we're going to be trying to get on? Oh, man. Follow Ringgivers on...

They already said, two socials. Don't follow us on. Zillow? Don't follow us on Threats. We're not on Thurts. Follow us on Thurates. Nobody on threads. Only Steve on threads. That's fine.

Steve and people who, who... Me and Justin Charity are having a great time talking about. It's just y'all too. Random BS. It's just y'all too. And people who are like, man, you know what? What if I take that funny tweet I saw three days ago and then put it on threads? It's funny.

I'd be popping in. I'd be seeing some stuff. I'm like, it's really not the same. It's okay. You know, it's really not. It's the lowest of stakes. And I like that. I like that.

I like that's what I'm saying. See, that's what quitters be talking about, bro. That's what quitters say. I went viral on threads. and I got like a thousand likes. A thousand likes is viral on threads. It's the most that I've ever seen. Oh my gosh, Steve.

Have some goddamn shame. I don't. Bring back shame only in 2025. Christ the life. All right. Today we're here to discuss our big June look ahead. Why June? Why looking ahead?

Well, you might know this or you might not. But it seems like every silly TV show under the sun is coming out this month. Unfortunately. Anything that's ever been important to us comes out within the next four weeks of each other. Who is in charge? Like who they were setting up the content calendar?

The devil. That's who's in charge of all of this. Cool because somebody made a stand, right? Somebody was like, yo, you know, this is coming out. Like, let's say, like, Heidi was like, you were coming out in June. Boom, stamp it, bang. Right.

Daisy was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. We act like coming out too. And we got the bear. Well, it's good. And then I'm sure Amazon Prime is like, well, we can't. We can't not stop in June. Here's actually a great thing because this leads perfectly

into what I want to say. Because when House of the Dragons trailer dropped, it was literally an hour after Lord of the Rings of Power dropped for like two months later. Just like the Kendrick beef.

They had this in the tuck waiting waiting to drop, meet the grams. That's actually a app Like, you make an appropriate summation of events because Hot D is Kendrick and Lord of the Rings. Really is Drake. His Drake is Drake.

Because just like Drake's last, his last song in the beef, Lord of Rings also put me to sleep. Right. Yeah. That's okay. I mean, Meet the Grams kind of put me to sleep, but it was like substantive. No, I mean, Meet the Grams was like, I mean, the beat itself, I mean. I mean, the beat, yeah, but when you start the song I was saying, like, yo, I'm sorry about your father. That's kind of crazy.

Yeah, no, no. It woke me up. I'm like, okay, the beat's slow. I'm like, whoa, my God. That's kind of nuts. Like, yeah, no, but rings of power is nap time. That thing goes on. I go to sleep.

Well, don't worry. It's not happening in June because I tell you what is going to happen in June. We have the Acolyte. House of the Dragon, the boys. Even the bear is in here. Ah, bear. So we're going to be talking about the biggest things that are coming out this June. All things of which the Ringiverse or some Ringiverse property is going to be covering for you.

Ringervverse adjacent property. Yes, and all subsidiaries of this content. So it's kind of a look ahead and a bit of a talk about what you can expect from us in the month ahead, which is going to be a lot. Some things we can talk about, some things we can't talk about just yet. But for right now, each of us have prepared a couple of questions and burning thoughts and desires about each one of these properties that we're going to be talking about for right now. And we are going to start with the Acolyte. releases June 4th, 2024.

So the Midnight Boys are going to be covering this weekly for you. Poo-poo! Jomey, you've got a very exciting question here. Are you excited to end of the world The High Republic for the first time in this Star Wars canon? This is our first time looking back, this far back, hundreds of years back,

nary a Skywalker to be seen yet. No, no Skywalker's, no solos, Is there even a Creeze around here? Could be Babu Fricks? It's got to be Bobu Fricks. Yeah. No, but this is the first time in, you know, at live action, Star Wars, we're going to be seeing the High Republic. I mean, not even live action, just in like Star Wars canon in general.

Right. Right. You know, shout out to, you know, the Benjamin Lindbergs out there. They'd be reading those books that was locked in on the High Republic, the High Republic stuff. This is the first time for a lot of folks, their introduction. and so am I excited to enter to the world of the High Republic for the first time?

Hell yeah, baby. Come on, man. We're going to see the Jedi at the height of their powers. I mean, if you thought that attack of the clones, Fenton Menace, and Revenge of the Sith were the ops. Nah, this is when the Jedi were peak.

This is like, so what we were seeing back there, right, in like the prequel series, that was like, you know, 2020 LeBron and AD, you know, for the Lakers. You're like, oh, man, are the Lakers back? Wow. Nah, but now you're taking it to like 19, the 1980s with magic.

I'm never going to stifle you from making basketball metaphors, but only on specific basketball podcasts will I contribute to them also. Of course, of course. No, but we're going to see the Jedi in their highest form. This is awesome. I can't wait. What about you? I'm excited to see that, too.

I think what I actually am most excited for is a, not so much a reboot of Star Wars continuity, but like an actual, like, canonical reset for everything that Star Wars has kind of, like, been lately. Because everything has kind of, like, circled within the last, like, hundred, 150-ish years of canon that we've been circling around. From, like, prequels to everything in between to the night. sequel trilogy. I was just trying to think. So, like, the last thing we've ever seen in Star Wars, obviously, was Ray taking the saber and going on. I'm Ray Skywalker. Right. What was the, is the first thing we've seen in Star Wars, um, Phantom Menace, like the opening of Phantom Menace?

I, to my knowledge, I believe that's the earliest, like, film slash television adaptation that we've seen. So not, not even 100 years. Like, that's right. Generation. Mm-hmm. Like, one, one lifetime. really, like a lifetime and a half worth of canon. And to know that like, hey, let's go, let's throw the ball all the way downfield and look hundreds of years into the past and hopefully kind of wash our hands of a lot of things that might have been weighing us down a little bit. And again, this is like not a full assessment of how good or bad any one Star Wars thing has been for the last few years.

But to know that like, hey, like, let's play with a canvas that's not even been touched in Star Wars. that to me is the most exciting thing, which brings to my very interesting question because it's kind of been fascinating to me, is this going to surpass or live down the very, in my opinion, unfair online hate that this has been getting for no reason.

I mean, who cares? True. True, who fully cares, but I don't quite understand where a lot of the, I are coming from at least the concept of this, because nothing that I could have found was substantive. I know that, like, Reddit, like, not the greatest place to find, like, substantive arguments, but anybody that was, like, talking about the Acolyde in most of those spaces

weren't really exactly bringing anything, like, exciting or fresh to the fold of, like, why this might not be their cup of tea. It's silly. I mean, this is the thing that happened a lot when, you know, especially when a personal color is the main, like, one of the main characters, right? People get upset and people are mad. Like, oh, no, my, my, my, the thing that I thought was the thing, was not the day, man. They start crying and they start, you know, again, going online and being mad about it.

Oh, yeah. Frankly, like, who, like, I don't, who cares? Nobody gets mad about Star Wars and Star Wars fans. I mean, it's, I mean, it's not even that. Like, we haven't, like, we haven't, like, we've seen, like, maybe, like, 90 seconds of footage, you know? Is it going to justify the head? Of course not, because they haven't seen it yet. Right?

So, ultimately, we have to wait until it comes out and we watch. all the episodes, and then we have to sit down and have that conversation. Then it's ridiculous to have it now, honestly. No, there's no just to find the hate. You can't justify any hate until it's actually out. Hateable. Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, all I need to say is got them.

Right. And you know what I'm talking about. The thing about this series, like, Star Wars, they do, they try to, you know, keep things on the low, right? They don't want no spoilers. They don't even tell you, like, plot details. They give you the most base summary. Oh, there's a dark Jedi. Oh, what's going to happen?

Who knows? And that's what they're doing for this. This is exactly what they're doing. Just like, oh, there's darkness somewhere. Uh-oh. You know, so we don't even know like the plot yet, basically. You know, so it's ridiculous to be mad about it. No, it very much is.

Your next question, which new character are you most interested in learning more about? I am interested in learning about soul. So, uh, so for those of you guys who are, are not as tapped in with, you know, who's going to be in the show yet.

Seoul is, uh, a respected Jedi master. He was played by Lee Jong-Jay. Uh, if you're unfamiliar with him, he's the main character of Squid game. Squid game.

That's right. And he is, I don't know if he's the main character, but he's my main character. and I am interested because I think it could be it could be fun to see

you know like not like a I don't want to make the one to one comparison but kind of like a quagon where somebody's like yo is art of Jedi tripping are you all I would like to think that he'd probably his character might actually

be the one that's called into question a lot more like he's like politically challenged probably because this clearly is like dealing with a lot of political strife between the Jedi and what would then become the Sith, it seems. I would think Indara would be that. Could be. My main guy, again, just known as the guy being a dude,

man Jacinto. Dude. Bortles! Very true. Because obviously, like, this is going to be, like, his character is obviously clearly going to be monumental because of how little we've actually known about him. And this will probably be a sort of like heavy spoiler section of, you know, who we think it could be and what he might mean for a more broader implication of Star Wars canon in general.

Could this be like a Darth Plagas type of character? Could this be somebody that's like... You think Mani Hacinto is a Darth Plagas type? Or some sort of connection. You know what the Wiki has him, like described as? What does the wiki have him described as? A former smuggler who now lives a life of leisure. I don't believe you.

Hmm. I don't know, man. I wouldn't give up my force powers for anything. I mean, certainly not, unless you're in hiding, unless you're, you know, super evil. But I guess, but like, I mean, what's with, man, what happened to my, man, and back in my day? Oh, boy. My Sith leaders used to be out in the open. They used to be murderers.

You know what I'm saying? Bring back real Sith values here. Think about, thing about what Darth was doing, you know, in the original trilogy. He was out there just wooed in his Red Sabres. Murdering younglings. Snoke was behind, was like, oh, trying to deduct the smoke. The Palpatine was the worst offender. Right.

He was setting up Snokes and jars. Yeah, he was out there behind the scenes. Don't this thing. Like, stand up. Have some goddamn respect for your craft. Wow. So Sith canonical cowards here. Cowards.

Canonical cowards, absolutely. Right. 100%. Put that on a shirt. Right. Canonical cowards. Hashtag canonical cowards. All right.

My next thing I have is like, all right, Lightaber whip Lame or not I mean I mean look You know Are we reaching? Have we reached peak peak reach

For making lightsabers more cool There's a thing right There's actually there's a couple things Right The whip is crazy It's it The whip is crazy Yeah

Like you can't Because it's like Like let's just be honest The whip is nuts It's nuts You know what I mean It's a, because like you see, spoilers for things that are in trailers or,

and in like promotional materials, we've seen like a second of a lightsaber weapon action. And I'll tell you one thing. It does not evoke the double-sided lightsaber that say a Darth Mall reveal would have or something like that, you might say. No.

I hope springs eternal. Yeah. I like to think that this could be cool. It's just like A whip is nuts A whip is nuts A whip is nuts I don't

I used to ding right You don't like It's light sabbers are cool man Like I don't need You don't need to make them cooler You know what I mean Like you know what I mean When you do like the Dark Sabre

Like that's cool You know like obviously The Dark Sabers is like my favorite weapon of Star Wars Yeah I don't need a whip my boy I don't need a light saber whip Who's asking for that?

If you could make a different weapon out of a lightsaber, what could it be? Because I'll tell you one right now, and it's even more stupid than a whip, but I kind of want to see it. What is it? Nunchucks. You would slice your head off.

You think, no. No way. Imagine like a cool, like, one-armed Jedi. You just like... That would be the dumbest thing. You would give that to somebody. I would like to see it. You would give that to somebody.

And unless... Unless you're Michelangelo, you would cut your, you cut your arm into like 80 pieces. It's like, how do you train with it? Like, how do you give that to a child? You don't. And not have them chop their every limb of the self-called. You'd have to be like a nunchuk master. Right.

Because you're going to hit your head. You'll cut your brain out. Have you ever, like, wielded numchucks before? I have. I haven't smacked myself in the face and the arm a hundred times. Yes, it's so easy to do that. Nut. Oh my goodness.

Oh, my God. No, we don't, we're not completing the rest of the Ninja Turtles. No, lightsever sigh. Mm-mm. I guess he already got a staff. He already has staff pretty much. Man, I don't know. What about lightsaber ninja stars?

Lightsaber ninja stars would be cool. What about a mace? Lightaber axe. Oh. Ooh. That could work. I mean, what's the point? Well, because, so if you remember in Solo, like, he had,

Paul Bettney's character had, like, a sort of like. Who? Who? Who? Put respect on Paul Bettney's character's name. Who I do not remember. Yeah, exactly, right? Exactly.

It's Paul Bettie's character. Not because Paul Bettney played him. Because you can't remember his name. Who's cooler? The character that Paul Bettney played or Paul Bettney himself? Paul Bettney himself. I mean, Paul Bettney Clarence. All right.

So he had that knife that basically, like, had like a little tiny lightsaber on it, which seemed a bit neat. But I would have liked to see, like, an axe that's like a full, like, blade of a thing. Yeah. I feel like we might be doing too much. with the lights hammer. Light saber hammer would make any sense

because you just like you're trying to like put down a nail. Well but does a whip make any sense? How do you make a flaccid like light beam? Like out of the thing? Okay, but now here's the question we're getting way too deep into this. But does the whip work like Indiana Jones whip?

Right? Where you can like grab stuff with it? Because you can't really... Or it does it just immediately like just cinch things off? Or is it just like maybe like a really hot jump rope? A hot jump rope. You know what I mean? That's all whips are just jump ropes.

Yeah. Yeah. You put, You tie the ends together. But it's like, well, because those are what we played with his kids. When, like, you were on, like, the playground. Oh, Steve, Steve, I did not play with whips on the ground. No, but you played with the jump rope is what I'm saying.

I don't know. That didn't, it's not what that sounded like to me. All right. Steve was out there playing with whips. Wow. All right. Next question, Jomey Adoneron. Were you trying to be Indiana Jones or were you trying to be somebody from the 1960 south, Steve?

Jomey's next question is. What does this show have to do to be a successful Star Wars Project Jomi go? What does this show have to do to be a successful Star Wars product? I mean, I think the way, a reason I asked this question specifically, like, because to be a good show, just has to, you know, do good show things. I have an interesting premise, you know, execute on the emotional and plot, the emotional beats and whatnot. In terms of, like, being a good Star Wars, it has to engage us in the lore, right? Like, the background.

I don't think it needs to, like, it needs to have, like, a glut. Shitto every like three seconds? Yes. What is it? What is it? I think it's Glob Shito. Is it Glob Shito? Look, whatever y'all call it, y'all know what I mean.

Okay. But as long as we're like, yo, it fills us with that joy that Star Wars can do, then I think, yeah, we got it. You know what I'm saying? We got something good. What my criteria for successful Star Wars is at the moment, I think, is, you know, simplicity, wonder. I know we talk a lot about Andor, and I feel like Andor is going to start to get to be unfair comparisons

because of how, like, actually emotionally complex that that show is. And as great and as amazing and as earth-shattering as that show is, to me, never needs to be what Star Wars is. I think it's great when we have that. I think what actually works best is something that is relatively easily communicated to the audience that can be either emotional, political,

personal, all of these things that great character moments throughout Star Wars, I think knowing that this creative team behind it is very interested in playing with something that Star Wars hasn't done before. Stop me if you've heard that before, but to know that the amount,

like the caliber of both actor and like stunt performing and like this overall like pastiche that this show has is interesting. And I think that the idea that that wonder and simplicity can come from something that's as easy as simply being like, hey, I think the Jedi might be full of shit. Let's just dive into that question. That could be interesting. I think that's cool. Again, I think it's hard to be like, let's not use to do the and or comparison, at least for me because there's Jedi in this.

one and that just raises the interest level a little bit when people go like oh there's no light saber whips in there hey there's lightsaber whips though not in and or i know i know in here right and so like that just raises like little interest level so there's going to be more people looking for like you know the big lightsaber duels and the big fights and all that stuff which is which is which is different i do think however to your point the hey man this is not we're not making like super we're not super star wars this is it day phelone this isn't george lucas this is somebody who has their own idea of how to make like a different idea of how to make star wars that could be interesting i would really like to see that like now well that's a seed well that's a seed jesus

christ all the all the south talk will that succeed you know for the people at home we'll have to see it but i'm excited i'm looking forward to it i'm looking forward to it as well and you can look forward to more coverage of the alkali from Midnight Boys. Pew, Pew. Poo, Poo, starting June 4th, and we're going to be covering that weekly alongside what's going to be happening. Next. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable Internet means everything for your business.

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activity twice a day for two weeks as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. And what's coming up next for the Ring Reverse is the Boys. Season 4 releases June 13th, 2024, also being covered

by the Midnight Boys. It's going to be the fourth season of the, like, honestly, like, it's kind of firing on all cylinders here. I think my main question that I have for the boys, and I think more so the sentiment that's coming into me, for me,

at season four, is I think that this is going to be a bit into Amazon's legacy for franchise TV. Okay. And its own, like, sort of like IP and how it's carried out. I think season four, the things that happen in this season and things that happened prior is going to actually going to cement the legacy of what this IP is going to be for Amazon.

Wow. It's a lot of weight. wait until I went on their shoulders. I understand. And I'm not saying that it's going to be like at least highbrow prestige or if it's going to be the thing that is going to be keeping the lights

on at the studio. But it's definitely its biggest hit. And I just want to take a quick look at like the crown jewels if you can for the original shows that are coming out on Amazon. It's the boys. And the boys universe, Gen V, etc. Yeah.

Lord of the Rings. Snoose Fest. And Fallout. now. Fallout was special. Fallout was special. I watched it. I finally got into it.

It was good. And there have obviously been hundreds of other shows and like months that have had multiple seasons. But as far as like ones that they're actually like putting a lot of like effort, money,

time. You're not saying they put a lot of effort into Invincible? Are you saying that they put a lot of effort into Bosch? Well, first of all, respect Bosch. Respect my man Titus. Tell me why I should respect Bosch, Jomey.

Because my man Titus, you know, of Bosch fame. Also, Aege's a shield, baby. Reset that clock. Let's go, baby. Zero days since the Agents of Shield reference now. God damn right. I mean, you got to also think like Bosch,

as much as we like to make fun of. Invincible, right? Also, a show, Amazon. Right. You don't who did show? Like, Steve, you can't forget Wheel of Time. Steve. I would like to forget Wheel of Time.

Steve, don't do that to Mike Will. Mike Will's on Twitter. He's mad. He's in my mentions. Is he? Yes. Oh, okay. Mike Will is in every ring of rest mention.

Yo, what about Wheel of Time? What about wheel of time? We're talking about wheel of time right now. Mike Will, step up. Come on. We might not be taking a dip into the wheel of time. You don't like Will of Time? Do you like Wheel of Time?

Nah. Nah, it's not for me. Yeah, let's move on. So we got the boys. But I think the biggest thing that could come out of a season four is, okay, the hype is real. It's already renewed for season five before season four actually even releases. So we know that we're getting more.

Could this go the way of it? of a Game of Thrones where like the actual, the hype increases because the show's quality is either consistent or remains the same and it evolves or, worst case scenario. Okay. Walking Dead.

It goes on and on and on and too long. But again, I don't think that like, Walking Dead came at a weird time. It was pre like streamers boom where, unless you were like a Stranger Things level hit, you only got two or three seasons. This seems to be like in a weird moment where we've actually kind of like

gotten something a bit more consistent, and who knows how long this goes? So that brings me to my question, or one of my questions, which is, can this show beat the spinning its wheels allegations? Because, you know, the season starts, and they're like, yo, we're going to, we're got to kill Homelander. Yeah. And then stuff happens in the middle, and then nothing changes. Right.

You know, like, I guess, like, I mean, I don't think it's like super, I don't think it's, like, that much spinning its wheels in terms of, like, the character of the, you know, development. Right. What's going on with like our day-to-day heroes, Huey, butcher,

you know, Starlight, all those folks. But in terms of like the overall plot, they haven't really done what they said out to accomplish. That's the big brass ring

of just like, kill Homelander. Yeah, right? But you can't? Like, that's where the show ends is when you kill Homelander.

Like, let's be honest, right? When you beat the evil guy and everybody's like, yo, he killed the wicked witch, like the movie ends.

That's, that's it. Right. Right? And so for them to kill Homelander would be the end of the series. And so while, again, I don't think it's totally spinning its wheels, I think like people are kind of like, yo, we got to, something has to happen. Like some monumental shift in the story, whether it's a character or a plot line, like something needs to happen. Remember, the end of season, end of season three, they have that big fight, Evotte with Soldier Boy and a souped up butcher and everybody's there. and all they do was just go put

what's his name on ice I think Queen Maeve loses her powers and that's it and she's happy she arrives up into the sunset everything's good we're like oh cool but you know we still have a big problem over here hey man what's going on you know what I mean

and so I don't think it's a problem but I can understand why other people think is a problem and I think you gotta like you know and I tell you what concerns me already greenly lighting it for season five Big question. All right, fine. Is Homelander dead at the end of season four?

Probably not. Probably not. Should he be? No. Think about it, bro. Like, listen to... But then, like, then it probably doesn't beat the spinning its wheels allocations.

Because we might be looking at our watches being like, okay, it might be time to kill this dude. Like, unless you actually change it. Yeah, but, I mean, like, his man, like Anthony Star as Homelander is... Incredible. It's been one of the best, like, literally one of the best villains. I think, from, like, being honest,

the best villain of the 2020 so far. And one of the better villains we've seen in a long time. Yes. Especially on TV. You know what I mean? And so I don't think you can just get rid of them and expect like, oh, yeah, we're going to like keep this thing moving. But I do think like what if season five is the last season?

Okay, let's go with that for a second. Because I think I actually have an interesting avenue for the show to go in that might save it. Or at least like be an interesting turn for a potential final season, if that indeed is five. Spoilers for succession. Say they kill Homelander at a very odd time.

Okay. In a way that actually people don't see coming. During Conner's wedding. During Conner's wedding. Yeah. If they Conner's wedding it and the rest of this season is a fallout from the death of Homelander,

I think that's actually a very interesting final season avenue. for this show to take. Amen. Because not only is that, is it like, A, like making it that important

to kill Homelander, but like what happens, like if Butcher keeps going down this path and just offs him and then, oh, wow, we might have just made another

homelander in a different form. Hey man, I'm going to be honest with you. That right there almost put me to sleep. Really? That discussion. You don't like that.

I almost knocked the fuck out. I'm not joking with you. I do, I mean, there's something to that. like, what if you kill him? I mean... Not unceremoniously, but like in a way or a time table that you don't expect.

But they can do that in the finale, though. You could. You could. And then you could have like, that's what you expect. 20 minutes of the finale going like, yo, he's dead. Like, what does my life mean now that my op is no longer here, right? I mean, I guess you... His thing, right? And I'm going to tap into the wire for this.

When you kill Stringer, right? And Brother Mazzone and Omar blammer Stringer, like the second to last episode is his and three, right? You're like, yo, what, okay, he's gone. What, like, who are the ops? Right. Right. Like, who, who's the gigantic, like, like, you're finding your compass as to like, okay, well, wait a minute, what the fuck is the show doing now? Right. But then you get Marlow. Right. Right. For the rest of the series. And that's different. Marlowe's a different beast. He operates on a different level. It changed, like, the whole, the specs of the whole entire thing up, right? I don't know if they have another Marlowe in the talk. And that's what I'm saying where

I'm like, Homelander is the it. Like it's like that's the biggest thing that that show can possibly conjure. And I think that like the show's like ticking time bomb is like okay once that should, once Homelander's over, I agree with you, the show should be

over. Yes. I think that the interesting way to do that before it starts to spin its wheels is to actually examine the consequences of killing Homeland based on the world that that Homelander sets himself in because he's got like all of these like Maga Bros on his side.

Vot is going to be like trying to spin this in a like earth-shattering way if that becomes public, all of those things. Like all of those questions that come after the death of Homelander, I think are an interesting space to examine in brief and then end a show. I don't know, man. I feel like you don't need, you can do that in like 25 minutes in the finale. You don't need like five. episodes.

Again, and it's a, but like, and that's the thing, credit to the shows that do stuff like that, it takes a high level of storytelling in order to execute what I just said. I'm not sure if the boys are entirely interested or capable of that, because it's like, it's more of a, like, fun novelty type of execution of that scenario. But, which brings us to our last question, are we sure the boys are the good guys? Very quick answer. Probably not. I mean, definitely not.

I don't, I mean, this goes back to, like, Spitting the Wheels thing, like at some point you got to start blamering folks, you know, like, let's be for real. Like, butcher while his methods and his personality are crude and just downright evil and insidious. He's growing about the right things the wrong way. You know, yeah, right? Like, come on, we got to start making, got to get this thing, got to get this moving. Uh-huh. You know, start, because, you know, Huey, you know, is like, yo, we're trying to do this thing the right way. And Mother's Milk is always doing the, every time I think I'm out, they come back and, pull me in.

Right. Type, type B. I'm wearing a better shirt this time. Right. You know, I just kind of feel like at this point, get,

let's, let's just dive right into depravity. You know what I mean? I forget pretending that, like, oh, we're, we're righteous,

just not, lock in. Let's get some heinous stuff going. Let's, let's do it. Let's go. Let's get these guys up out of here, man.

I'm tired of these soups, Doug. Joe Me and Dinneron saying that the boys lacks courage. Bro, look, nobody. Nobody.

believes in you. What are you prepared to do about it? Don't let nobody come to your house. Take your meal. Do what you need to do today. I'm not nervous. I'm just saying. And I'm definitely not nervous about our next show. Oh, boy. House of the Dragon.

Hot D. The big one. Comes out June 16th, 2024. Talk the Thrones. House of R. And Midnight Boys are going to be covering this one. Everybody. Everybody's going to be getting a piece. Everybody.

Yeah, yeah. Everybody. All right, which one? All right. Rock your body, right. Heart is back. All right. No?

All right. Oh, my God. It goes back again. We can be here all day. Jeremy, I think the biggest thing that comes out of a season two for Game of Thrones and Hot D in general is kind of the episode count. I think the biggest concern for me

is the episode count right now. Leads to your question, will the shorter episodes mess up the flow of the show? Jemann, what are your thoughts? So here's the thing, right? I think what it is, I have PTSD from the last two seasons of Game of Thrones, right?

Because up until to then, the first six seasons, 10 episodes. Then there's, you know, oh, we'll do seven. Sure. And we'll just cut in the seven. You know, oh, longer episodes. Oh, okay, sure.

Oh, we'll do six for this one. Oh, oh, for real? It's these little tiny, like, it's not corner cuts, but like little tiny tweaks to the formula that might be concerning to you. I just, because the thing, here's the thing, right? For Game of Thrones especially, I think if they have like seven more episodes,

it's a perfect show. At the end of it was like seven more episodes. They ended with like 63. If they had 70, it'd be... Oh, you're talking total. Total. Totally.

Divied out amongst the seasons. Yes, right? Planned for five. Okay. For this one, again, it just, you know, again, I'm like, all right, cool, cool. Remember how the last time I started to cut out episodes now? I know it's only two. But we could, you know what I'm saying?

We could use another like two hours with these people, you know? Because we don't want to just jump it from conclusion to conclusion place to place with no rhyme, with no rhythm, with no reason. Right. The thing that makes Game of Three. and the Hot House of the Dragon special is that even though people spend a lot of time sitting around a room, sitting around tables, sitting around dinners, is that we get to understand like, oh, this is why you want to do this thing, this is what makes you tick, this is what makes you believe that you have like the right disposition to do this thing.

And then they go do it. And you're like, that felt earned, that felt worth it. that meant something, right? And so when you take away two hours, it's like, okay, cool. Like, are you really cutting fat? Are you just trimming to trim? I hear you, and I think that that is an assessment.

I think that we could start to make, were we to be in, say, season four of this right now? I think even the buildup from season one in general was the showrunners and the actors and pretty much everybody at the writer's table was like, okay, we are well aware of the failures. that plagued Game of Thrones. And we want to do our utmost to avoid those at all costs.

I think that, based on how season one went, I would say I had a great time with season one. Yes. Barring like a couple of weird character decisions, maybe a few that maybe ended in needless murder of like hundreds of small folk to not kill one important, person that could have prevented an entire civil war.

But anyway, I think the main concerns that the show has right now is just keeping everybody on board. It's been a minute since we've come back to this, Riders Strike, and a bit more of a delay that took a bit longer than I think it usually does. I think it's having the cultural staying power that Game of Thrones used to have that we're always going to be chasing. I think that's the bigger thing that I think could

try to muddy the waters a bit for the show long term. Which leads to my question and it's a bit of a frivolous one. What do you think the meme economy around this show is going to be? The meme economy, brother. It's Hustin the Dragon, man.

It's Game of Thrones. We're going to be there on Sunday. For months we had Oostonen, but I don't think anything from a pressur going to be coming from this because I think the main thing that's going to be coming from the show is like hot mess every single episode. Yeah, that's what it is, man.

We're going to be there every Sunday at 6 o'clock Pacific, 9 o'clock Eastern. Everybody's going to be front of the TV. And as soon as the episode ends, there's going to be memes online. Hashtag HotD, hashtag Hots of the Dragon. Hashtaghtag Damn Dragons. All trend of them? Dem Dragons? Are you pushing all these agendas?

What's your hashtag that you're going to be pushing? I'm not pushing any agendas. That's what it goes. Remember for the... I understand. For Black, so I don't know if you notice. Steve. I know Steve wasn't outside.

Steve's not black. Okay. I might not be. Wait a minute. What? No. Dem Thrones? That was for niggas and niggas only.

Go online. Go to Twitter.com. Search bar and search dem thrones. That was for black people and black people only. Right. Okay. So us, I'm sure I got a whole bunch of the melanated folks listening right now. What were some of the hottest takes from?

Dem Thrones. Hashtag Dem Thrones. I mean, it's just a lot of like stuff for black people. Like memes that only, I don't say only we would get, but stuff that was like, all right, yeah, I'm black, man. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, get there. What were some of the hot, funny, funny memes that we came out with? Steve, I'm not, I'm gaykeeping.

This is the, I'm being nice right now. I just to start gaykeeping. Right, forget all that. Look, here's the thing. Dem Dragons, that's for us. Y'all can't use Dem Dragon. I'm not saying that I was going to use it. That's for us, okay?

Don't, don't come over here. Reaffirming that I'm still not on Twitter. Don't be a culture vulture. Yes. Don't be like DJ Vlad and come take all our stuff. All right. Relax. Okay.

But there's always going to be memes. It's freaking House of the Dragon. Like, let's be honest. Like HBO, when we've gotten away from like family style viewing online, like outside of sports. Right? Like Super Bowl. Family style viewing being. Everybody's watching the same thing.

Sure. Everybody on the tail is watching the same thing. Yeah. Mash hours. Exactly. Right. Like we've like our man. I'm telling you, man.

We used to We used to be a country dog We used to be a country man Like this 27 year old But think about it Bro you were there 2019 dog The finale or the last season

Game of Thrones We get online to be jokes I feel like true I feel like we were like Already like Let it end Let the evil be defeated At that point

We were still locked in Sure of course We were still getting jokes up I got fire with tweets from way back then Right And then like succession like kind of got the flow going a little bit again. Everybody was locked in that Sunday night.

But it's really like HBO ever since Succession and House of the Dragon went offline. We haven't been there. As a story watching public, especially like Disney Plus, their shows come out midnight, right? Right. Like only for like a soaking in like Loki for a little bit. The shows came out at 6 o'clock.

Even then it wasn't the same. It wasn't it the same. there's like an interesting there's an interesting thing about an HBO show on Sundays at 6 o'clock that it just gets the people going gets the people fired up

nobody knows what it means nobody knows what it means you know what I'm saying it's provocative right and so it's going to be great to be online then it's going to be awesome it's going to be fantastic I can't wait it is I feel like that that's like the main sort of like cultural moment

that we allow ourselves nostalgically to come back to because it's that thing that like even I don't think that there's any low that House of the Dragon could get to in season two already that breaks us from that feeling that we're going to allow ourselves to have again because we all want to kind of be in this ecosystem of this cool thing that we're that's happening and that we're all enjoying I think I like And in the peak Like Twitter that I could remember

The like The long walk from Vassaris From last season Was probably the most like fervor I had seen In like a cultural Dogg his face was so gross It was tough

He took off that mask Gold mask was cool though Gold mask was cool But he takes it off And like brother put Put that mask back on Oh brother This guy is

I've been It's got to. It's got to be, it's got to be gross. I bet it smells crazy in that mess. But no, I was genuinely like just taking it back to kind of simpler times with when we just watch TV shows and like dug it. Yeah. You all dug it. It's fantastic. I got a question.

Right. You know, we got Damon, Reneira, Otto, Corlis, Reneiras, all these, all these folks that we haven't seen in a long time. Who are you most excited to get back with? Who are you most excited? It's been like, yo, can't wait to see them again. Number one, Kristen Cole. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Steve, what kind of Reddit is you being on, my boy? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Steve's on. Fucked up hats, TikTok. Steve is on Stop to Steel Reddit. Steve is on, uh, Steve's out there on, you know, hey, man, the insoles are right.

No, no. I'm team black. Stop the steel of the actual iron throne. All right? Oh, that's facts. Don't get it twisted. Don't get it messed up. Actually, I need, Rayneera is the reason you're going to see a lot of exciting things in Game of Thrones. Here's what, look, and to everybody listen, I'll be having a great day.

If you're Team Green, you're the ops. You're, you polis. I mean, of course. Who's, like. They're, no, you got to, Steve, you'll be shots. And that's the thing. Like, season one really tried to, like, even the playing field as to, like, oh, maybe it's a bit more of a two-sided, argument than it actually was.

And no, it's not. By like episode eight, or not even episode, it's like seven, I was like, I don't really, I don't really, I don't really, like, Allison. I mean, I hated Otto. That was my op from, like, the jump.

Otto's just, but Otto's in that category that I would like to call deliciously evil. Nah, and ain't none delicious about it, brother. No, I like, deliciously evil. The steak face from burp. No, it's just like, I like a dude that's like, so blatantly shitty.

Nah. And so, like, Like, just like basking in his own aura of, of cheating. Like a good Disney villain. Some shit like that. My number on op in all of Game of Thrones is Searcy. Sure. Because Searcy swears she a genius.

Sercy swear she a genius. She swears she a genius, right? She swear that she like a, like, I'm the best. I'm smart. And she did, she did kill him with Deceptive Baylor. I got to give her that. Right, yeah. That was her one.

She backed up that talk. That was her one. But the other time, she was kind of like, all right, man, you kind of stink at this. What have you done for me lately? Yeah,

it's kind of like, all right, cool, you got like, all right, you won one in six of a tournament, but like, what can you do for me? You know what I mean?

And at least, you know, like she, she, she pretended, like she knew what's going on, you know, to Otto's credit,

he kind of do know what's going on a little bit, right? Right. But for whatever reason, it's not like, I still hate him. I get it.

I get it. You know, like, again, he's not to Circe's level. No. But at the same time, I'm watching. But if he keeps up this streak, he can put up some generational numbers, I think.

I got to get out of there, but that dumb way, it's like, you got a, man, look in the bows. Rainier. Rayneara, nobody believes in you. It's tough.

What are you prepared to do about it? Fight back. Get up. Fight back. All right, but we'll be back. with that, there's going to be so much house-d-covers. We're going to be talking about this a lot more. Steve, there's going to be so

much hot D everywhere. Exactly. Like, just hot D all over the place. Exactly. Just a ton of hot D everywhere. You're not going to be served up and it's going to be hot and ready for you. You are not going to be able to get like, there's

going to be so much hot D around. You're going to be like, yo, there might be too much hot D. Exactly. Hot D for everybody. If you want Hot D. You can You really just wanted to go until he said stop.

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Not exactly the biggest ringer versus adjacent content, but by golly, do we love it. We do love it. The Bear's season three coming out June 27th, 2024. Now, Charles and Van are going to be covering this on the press. prestige TV podcast feed when that comes out. Likely going to be another season binge drop. Jomea Denneron.

Yo. Can this show get any better? I don't know, man. It's operating at such high level that every time I tap in, I like to watch like two episodes at a time. You know, every time I'm done with two episode of mini binge, I'm like, yo, oh my gosh. Like that back to back with fishes and forks. Great stuff. Oh, my gosh, man.

You know what I mean? that meant something to me, man. I have a very good feeling that the bear carries itself in such a way that it is both humble and very aware of how good it is. They came out with a promo image just today about which I am certain as trolling Star Wars, but also is like getting me really hyped. And I'm going to show this to you right now. It is an image of a like bear like in a sort of like steel plight. basically the door of the fridge and sparks are coming out of it

as he's getting cut out. I think that this is probably the hypest image I've ever seen. That's crazy. For the Bears? That's crazy. That's a crazy hype image though. That's kind of fire.

It's fire. But I'm also like you're clearly coming for some Star Wars shit. I don't know. I mean, not really because... It kind of does. Like, first of all, that logo, it's like it's straight up looks like

the Chicago Bears logo. Second of all, like it's the like, oh my God, is this demon about to come out of the fridge? and just tear things up. I think it's like, yo, I mean, the bear's obviously coming back and we're about to, you know, get out this fridge and go crazy. I mean, he's defrosting.

He's defrosting. The bear can't take any shots of Star Wars because that's Disney taking a shot at Disney. And ultimately, it's kind of like Mac from Always Sunny. What do you think Deadpool's about to beat? Again, but Mac from Always Sunny, I like to play both sides because either way I come out on top. Very well. Right.

So who, like, cool. Like, all right, you beefing with yourself at the end of the day. Like, you still make the bread. The money come. Oh, ha. look at Star Wars, just silly. Watch the bear instead. And Disney collects the check either way.

It's wild because it's the high of this that this show gives you. It's so consistently good. I don't, like, I think we're just going to start taking this for granted because I don't know if, like, this can, I don't know how much higher the show can get. Because if it just does the same thing that it's been doing for the past two seasons, it's already one of the greatest shows ever. Yeah.

So my next cynical question is how can they really? in it. Like, is there anything that the show can do operating with the way the show is? Because, like, we were talking about it before. I'm like, what if they just,

what if Carmi just, like, gives up on the bear and, like, starts a food truck in Milwaukee? I'm like, that's, that's dumb from my mouth. But also, if the bear does it and pulls it off, it's amazing. They would get, no, but if Yonahs show up and Yonis got,

like a, Yonah's got like a food truck on the other side, and he's some heroes. And, and, am I lie? Just imagine See, because Janus is Greek and Nigerian So he's selling Greek and Nigerian food Oh wait, would that be amazing though?

I don't know. We don't really like... Can you think of Greek and Nigerian hybrid food? Man. Fusion. I'm trying to like, would you like do some jello fries with some taziki? What about like a euro with... Euro with some spinach?

I don't know. That's not to say. Oh, oh, you know what? You do some goat meat with some Taziki. Oh, come on now. What kind of sauce on we are on now? It's a tomato sauce like the, you know, typical Nigerian. So, Karmie is meeting Janice of Dentacupo, and he's teaching them Greek-Nigerian fusion.

Well, Janus is like, they got like, see, it's a food truck, right? So they're on opposite sides and like, yo. Is this just chef? Is this just, just chef? Just chef. We're just doing chef. We're just doing chef. But not, the show is, I mean, look, hey, bear, if you're listening, season five, you know, that's if they do a season five.

Because while you're like, yo, can this show, like, do anything to ruin it, I don't think so. Well, I think the other thing that I think could ruin it, or at least not ruin it, but like, the thing that I came away with from season one and even season two, because season one was so special that I'm like, this is such a, like, out of left field amazing show. and I didn't even know if the word of mouth was going to get out like it did, where I'm like, if there's never a season two, it ended in a way that I was incredibly happy with. That it was a perfect season, an isolated story. Obviously, we would have wanted more.

Obviously, we would have all wanted to see season two and to infinity and beyond, of course. But the way that that season ended, even in season two, I'm like, if for some wild madcap reason, they never do a season three, I'm like, I'm kind of like, I kind of get it. Like, there's such an emotional catharsis that ends with each season. That's like perfect.

I think we know now that FX is, they're doing anything to keep the lights on by any means necessary. I don't know. They got some really good shit. I mean, they do, but it's not going anywhere. If FX got a show, we saw it with, we saw it with this show, we saw it with Shogun. Reservation dogs. They got something going. We're going to keep this, we're going to keep this train of moving. Right.

But at least not to the detriment of a show yet, because I ain't seen a season of the bear I didn't love 10 out of 10. No notes. So I think they announced they're doing season three and season four back to back, at least filming back to back. Yes. Do you think this signals the end for our lovely The Bear show? That I can never actually tell nowadays. Again, I think it's the level of consistency, again, that I come back to for a show like this, where I'm like, how could this keep going at the clip that it goes? and obviously this creative team is something that like we've never,

that I've never experienced before in quite a long time at the level of just like great storytelling that comes from it. Do I think that this could go for 20 seasons? Probably. But like there's going to be a point to where again, like there's no emotional dragging of the feet that this show can ever be capable of because it's very aware of its characters and the journey that they're on. I don't know how much what they're,

they've planned for versus what they think they can pull off, unlike a Shogun where the, okay, we just planned to make a season one and that was it. And then we just happened to get one. Now, I'm not saying they got blank checks, but they certainly have a lot more latitude.

I think if we got to a season five, and that was that, I'd be over the moon happy with what we got. Shows don't got to go forever. They don't. And I'm getting more and more. to the fact where I'm like, maybe keep them as short as possible if you're on a heater.

Maybe I hate the idea that we're getting a Shogun season two. Maybe you do. I think you do. I do. I do. I do. Yeah. And that's incredibly fair.

I think, Jomey, you're next. And I think our final question for the bear here kind of offends me. But I think we need to address it. We need to talk about it. We got to address it. We need to talk about it. Do you think Sid and Karmie should remain friends or become a couple? Absolutely.

100% no. I do not. I do not think that this. this is the path the show needs to go. And I actively might disagree. And I might start to dislike the show if it goes this way. So here's the thing. I raise this question because I don't know if you guys saw the footage.

There was some footage of a baseball game. And Jeremy Allen White. Right. And I, uh, in a beer, we're getting a, we're cozy. You know what I'm saying? So, like, we're like, oh, what's going on? Like, enough to make Rosalia, like, upset? Have you seen it?

I have seen this. So it's a little, I mean, come on now. It's a little, you know what I'm saying? Y'all got mad at me because I was taking people on picnics. Right. Right. If I was doing that, y'all be like, yo, Jami, what's going on? You know what I'm saying?

So, hey, man, you know, as long as you keep it even, right? But here's the thing. It wouldn't ruin the show. I don't think it would. I do think. So people always, like, every, like, I watch a lot of shows. Watch a lot of stuff. As we do.

And there's always this conversation. when it never there's a the will they or won't they? Yeah, will they, won't they? Are they better as friends? And people are always like, man, you know, when they're friends and people who are like,

know, you know, this and that. And it's always like a whole thing. I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters. If they end up being just friends, that's fine. That totally works. If they do get together,

cool. I'm, that doesn't, that just ruin the show. Here's, here's where I'll counter this a bit and I'll like amend my statement to what I say.

Do I think that that would be a bad idea strictly from a character perspective of both Carmi and Sid absolutely that would be a bad idea. Carmi lacks both boundaries and moderation when it comes to emotional intimacy and Sid where she's left at the end of season two

is definitely aware of how both talks the idea of a, like, the restaurant industry as a whole, and what Karmie inside of that can represent. Like, she throws up in a dumpster. Her dad is proud of her, and it's one of the worst nights of her life, and she looks up to the sky as if she's going to do it again

for the rest of her life, and she's happy about it. And while that doesn't come with, like, the, like, with the emotional bedrock that Karmie puts her in, if they pursue something romantically in any form, and to the show's credit, I think the show can immediately have both of those people recognize how bad of an idea that is. And I think that the show is smarter than that

to even step there in the first place because that's where our generic TV brains go, where we're like, oh, these people have a connection, will they, won't they? What's here? Let's examine that. And I think the show being smart enough to be like, you know what?

What you think that that is, it isn't. Let's move on and dig into something deeper. And sure, maybe that's like a date at Wrigley. Maybe that's like some, like weird Christmas party that goes down or something. Like, I think that the actual fallout from anything that comes from them romantically actually sets them on a path that takes them apart. Here's a thing, right? And like, I don't really have a horse in this race or something either way.

Like, it's fine. But you remember the scene under the table? Beautiful. I see that as, I see that as a- And then the panic attack. Sure. And who does he, who does he, when he's spiraling, who brings him back to center?

It's the sign in, it's the, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, all that stuff. Here's the thing, man, like, again, normally, like, because people are like, yo, no, but it's, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's restaurant, it's the thing. Well, you could just, if they wanted us to see the restaurant, they would have shown us

the restaurant. Right. Right. If they wanted us to be like, yo, here's what's bringing Karmie back to center. They would have showed us what it was. They showed us was Sid, right? Like, I'm, like, I'm not making this up. I'm not, you know what I mean?

And I think, and this goes back, at least for me, this reminds me of, I don't know if you watched The Marvelous Miss Maisel. Yes. Remember when Lennie? and midge would talk. Yeah. And he'd be like, oh, that's... You're like, well, I...

No, no, no, no. Jesus, dude, don't bang the table. It's not. It's the same shit. I got mad. Bro, because it pisses me off, right? Because they did this, they did the thing where we're watching, like, yo, there's mad chemistry here, man, like, what's going on?

And then Amy Sherman Palladena and Rachel Brosnan were, like, went on, like, Vanney. fair or whatever and said, yo, guys, they're just friends. Don't even think about it. And I was like, hey, cool, no problem. That's when they made mad flirty. But hey, y'all are y'all in charge? Y'all make the rules. Y'all got it.

And then what happened? They wouldn't happen, Steve. So, but like, they lied to us, Steve. But you see, you can, they lied to us. You see that the moment under the table with Carmi and Sid is like more than just flirting, right? Yeah, it's like, it's, that's, nigger, that, I ain't never seen. two friends looking each other like that.

Right. And then when you see the types of things that Karmie he like rotates and like orbits around romantically aren't things that are good for him. Sid is good for him. And the ways that he tries to find like emotional centers, he will immediately push back

away. The way that Sid does this, I see this as like he's actually coming into his own as a like both a mentor and sort of like a actual like emotional counterweight to what he brings to that restaurant. And that could, that could be it.

And I see that as like something that doesn't actually need to be like romantically consummated anyway. Again, I, it doesn't matter. If they decide like, yo, like just don't play in my face with it. You know what I'm saying? It's ultimately what it comes back to. I think that we'll see something to that effect. You know what I mean?

Like if they decide, all right, cool, we're just going to be like, we're just like, it's more, it's like not lovers, but like more than friends. I don't need a. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, don't like, don't give me like, yo, I can only think of this person when my life is in the gut or this only person who brings me center. And it's like, that's just my boy. That's not just your boy, bro. That's not how that goes, bro. You know what I'm saying? If, like, for real, like, let's, let's be honest. Don't play in my face with it. You know, either they like, hey, this is like, we're brother and sister, but we get along. Like, that's really, that's my thing. But ultimately, whatever they choose, hey, I'm cool with it. Man, I love the show. Yeah, it's going on. It's great. We would. We We'll find out. I'm not a hater like you, Steve. I don't hate love. You hate love.

Clearly. Steve, why do you hate love? No, I love love. Clearly not. When does love love you back? See, here's what it is. Man, Steve, see you, a black woman with a white man. Steve get upset.

That's what it's about, man. That's tough, Steve. I thought you were better than that, man. I thought you moved past that. 11 versus Virginia was a long time ago. I'm going to do that thing where, like, you say nothing and let the other person talk, and then they get to say what they really need to say. That's what I said.

I just said it. Steve, you hate black love. That's crazy Wow Sad Hey Marcus went outside though I mean

Stuff Listen he's He's two for two I'm going out sad In those in those Ends of the seasons I mean like bro I mean he really thought

And shit was like Whoa Hold on brother Like we're keeping it Keeping it Marcus Marcus is the king of asking shit

At the wrong time This is not the time To show me the pastry This is not the time time. Like, if I was Carmi when he showed me that during that rush, I'd have smacked him in the face. Like, what you're doing? Negative situational awareness. Zero. Just no

basketball IQ at all. You know, he literally J.R. Smith shooting the ball or taking a ball out. We're like, yo, we need to, we're not up one, bro. You got to shoot it. Could you learn, could you go to Denmark and learn that? Could you learn social tact in Denmark? That's why they send him to Denmark. It's like, yeah, we need some time. Yeah, ride a bicycle.

You soulless. Make some pastries. Maybe learn when it is and is not the right time to show somebody a pastry or acts somebody out. Maybe figure that out first. Tough scene for Marcus. Well, that's going to be it for us. It's a wrap from here.

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