The Ringer-Verse - ‘The Mandalorian’ Season 3, Episode 2 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

We could pass through the Mines of Mandalore! And that's exactly what the Midnight Boys are here to do as they offer up their instant reactions to the latest episode of ‘The Mandalorian’ (05:42). They also discuss Din's continued struggles with the dark saber and what the planet of Mandalore could teach both him and Grogu (47:42). The boys also discuss the latest news of some recent Star Wars film shake-ups (70:29). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Productional Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're turning to Jaws nightmare. Like, Jow wishes. My goodness. I'm too soft to be out here carrying heat. You know what I mean? No, no, no, no. You're not going to turn it to Jai that way. You're going to be the Boogie Nights version of Jai.

Oh, no. You know, Jomey, that's what Jomey's going to be. No, that's not true. Jomey's going to be, yes, you will. You'll be the Boogie Nights version of Jod. You're going to be John C. Riley's character from Boogie Nights. When they were just sitting in the house waiting for the score, just waiting for the score. You know what I mean?

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Selena at 7. I pro- Rhyber. Our Mando coverage is in full effect. Mando is in full swing now. If you didn't like the second episode, I don't like you. This Friday and every Friday, the House of R, our favorite people. Mal and Joe, Joe and Mal.

They're going to be giving you a deep dive into what's going on. you know, all over the place in Mando. You want to know the origins of the Mithosaur? You know, like, they'll tell you. You want to know what the green stuff is on the surface? They'll tell you. That's where you go. Go to Joe and Matt.

God damn, Mal and Joe. All right, on Wednesdays, we're going to be back. We're going to be giving you our instant reactions on season three of the Mandalorian. On today, we're going to begin with our reaction. to the second episode of season three on the Mandalorian, but we also have to talk about some shakeups, man, some shakeups at old Disney regarding Star Wars. What was you got?

Before we get into it, Charles, what was your initial sort of reaction when you saw the news of what's going on at Disney, you know, as in regards to Star Wars? This was always going to happen. I think, let's just say the economy's not doing well. You know, Bob Iger had to be brought in to correct the ship, I just think they really like, hey, bro, like, y'all got to relax. He was never making these movies to begin with.

I'm not surprised. You know what? I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind like a broke-ass Star Wars movie. They could save money. You know what I mean? They could save money and just do something broke. You didn't see Rise of Skywalker?

Now I'm not talking about. Shut up, Johnny. That costs a lot of money. See, this is another thing where we know you're going to change because you can't see past your own agenda. Agenda. The movie is very expensive. Whatever. Let's move on.

Look like fan fiction, my boy. It's time to get into the Mandalorian. It's time to get to the Mandalorian. We are about to talk about not only Mando, but probably rebels, probably the Clone Wars a little bit, probably Boba Fed a little bit. Maybe Obie. I don't know. The whole Star Wars is on the table. Steve Runners for the warning.

We're getting ready to talk about Mammothia. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to put you in the need to know, tell you what you have to know about season three, episode two of the Mandalorian. Co-baby Chuck, the 24-carat closer, is going to give you the Midnight Manifest.

Charles, take it away. All right, and this is your Midnight Manifest for the Mandalorian, Season 3, Chapter 18, reminds Mandelor, directed by Rachel Morrison, written by John Fevereaux. Dyn visits Bellymodo on Bouta, in search of a droid part, but the mechanic convinces him to take the astromech R5D4 instead. On the way to Mandelor, Dinn continues Grogu's Mandalorian teachings by showing him how to navigate the galaxy.

When they arrive on Mandelor, Din sends R5D4 out to check the toxicity of the atmosphere, but the astromech disappears. Dimm goes searching for him and is ambushed by Alamites, which he narrowly defeats. After rescuing R5. five and confirming the atmosphere safe to breathe, Din and Grogu go searching the mines that Din needs to bathe them. Din is then captured by a robot spider and tells Grogu to ask Boca Tan for help. Groo flies to Bogutan and the duo end up rescuing Din.

Bo shows Din in the way to the mines and tells him about the beginning of their civilization and the importance of the Mythesore. Din bays in the mines, waters, but is pulled under. And that's when Boatatan saves him not before seeing the Methasaur first time. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Chapter 18, Minds of Mandelwyn. First thoughts on this episode two of the Mandalorian Charles. Call the Dare Officers, because that crack is fun on the streets. I was, I was so enthralled.

Like, this is what I wanted. The lore, I honestly thought it was a fucking movie. Like, I was watching it. I was just like, it looks great. Mandelor was incredible to see. The CGI was amazing. We had a whole Grogu little outside adventure. This is everything that I want from a Star Wars TV show.

What about you, Ben? Amazing. Remember, I saw this at the premiere event alongside Mallory Rubin, and watching it on the screen was just breathtaking. It was fantastic, you know? Some different sort of, some different, sort of, some, different things they hit on here, not that they haven't hit on it before,

but it was an interesting story from Mando's perspective in a lot of ways. We'll talk about that a little bit later. But at the end of it, I asked, I asked Mallory to give it a midnight meter ranking, and I'll save it for later what she said, what it was, but I agree.

Wait, so then let me ask you this really quick. do you think that you graded episode one higher because you saw these two together? Like if I saw these two together, I would have been way easier on episode one. That is a distinct possibility. Okay. That is a distinct possibility. Like, and not just that I saw episode one, that I saw them together, that I saw it in the theater, that people were screaming when Grogu came out and all of that.

that's a distinct possibility. But I still liked episode one a lot. I stand by, but like, I left like there was one really good episode of the Mandalorian and one all-time great episode of the Mandalorian is how I felt. Mint Boys, what did you think? This was great. I feel like this might have been, if a slight Nick Pick were to be here, it would be, is this the legally regulated too dark for TV episode?

Because I had kind of a hard time seeing everything that was inside of a cave and out too negative for you? You know, it, you know, it, it, we can see your TV in the background, Steve. Yeah, we know what you're working with, Doc. It's glad. Turn the brightness up, my boy. Do your thing, bro. I want to jump through the air.

It don't feel, it don't feel so good now, Steve, when everybody's piling on you, right, for being negative. Right. Put a light on or something. I don't know. That was it. No, no, no. It was incredible. I think when I was talking about wanting to see a little bit of, not even so much

autonomy, but like to see where Grogu has been developing outside of like Mando's immediate influence or possibly because of Mando's immediate influence to know that he can fend for himself a little bit and actually like get off planet, go get somebody else and rescue his dad. That was incredible. Grogu the boy wonder loved it. Hey, but there's something important there. Mando trusted Grogu to go do that. He knew that he could do it.

Yeah. So some of the things that we've been seeing these first two episodes is then showing Grogu how to be his own Mandalorian. Showing him what it means to be a Mandalorian. And that was my favorite part of the episode. That's what I love the most about these

these first two episodes. In the first two seasons, Mando's really just taking Grogu along for the ride. Anything he tells him is just for him to be like, yeah, kid, don't want to be like, Yeah, kid, don't worry about it. I'm all straight. Like, you'll notice this season, he's not calling him kid anymore.

He's calling him Grogu. Like, he's treating him the way, you know, your pops would when you were going out fishing or, like, he was trying to teach you something. He's like, all right, here's what we do. It's how we do it. And you remember when they're in the, they're in the N1 and they're going past Mandelor. He's like, yeah, man, man, this is the home for Manorrians, the our people. not my people our people

they're becoming you know we talked about them as you know lone wolf and cub I mean it's really like it's a family now this is father and father and son out there doing the thing

and I'm enjoying that dynamic so much this season and yeah this is a great episode of TV wait so can I ask you this so I think we're all in agreeance that like it's official Grogu's Mandalorian training has started 100% do we think that

because I was thinking about this. Do we think that Luke sucked as a teacher? Because it just comes too easy to him. He had the Skywalker Middoclorean count. Like he was always gifted in a way that Din wasn't. Didn't had to get it out of the mud. Because Din is a very good teacher. Like he's like very slowly and deliberately teaching him about everything step by step. So I'm going to answer this question, but I also want to note something. Your anti-Luke agenda that happens almost I mean, it's really putting it, putting the screws to him. I'm just saying, we, we've only seen two episodes of DIN being a teacher.

And already, I'm just like, yo, where can I sign up? Where can I get my MBA? What? My Mandalorian business, whatever the A stands for. So here's the thing. Here's the thing. Illustration, bud. Luke's track record is a teacher, not great.

Not great at all. I just got to be honest. is not even just Grogu, obviously. His nephew and a whole curriculum full of students. Well, I would say we don't know how it went with them necessarily. We do know that the relationship being his nephew was a little straight. I'm going to say if you caused the burning down of your school, I think the administration as a whole isn't too great.

I mean, even with Ray, the first thing he did was like throw a property away. And I'm just like, hey, it was his. She was bringing him his life. lightsaber. So he threw his property away. Wasn't his lightsaber at that point? It was. No, because you inherited it, because he got it from his father,

then it's passed down, and now raised the Skywalker, so technically it was hers. Well, no, she was in the Skywalker. But so, but I will say this about the comparisons between Mando and Luke in terms of that. It's fair, but it's not like,

Like, Luke gave Grogu a choice. Luke sensed conflict in Grogu and gave Grogu a choice. What I will say is Luke doesn't always make the best decisions when he senses conflict. One kid, he kicked out at an academy, basically, and then the other kid, he threw about to kill. But I don't think that we can, you know, hold him to, we can be too hard on Luke because. I'm just saying as a teacher, though, which teacher would you rather have in this, in this, area. I'd rather have one as a teacher and one as a father. It's two different things, right? Like, one is it's just that, you know what I mean? So I get what you're saying now.

But it is, to Jomi's point, really tender to watch him. And me and Mallory both remarked when we saw that that he said, our, like, Grogu is the Mandalorian. Okay. So before we get to Mandelor, we stop on Tatoo for a while. Always go back. Gotta go back to where you came from, man. It's the new lightsaber in Star Wars. You always got to go back to tattooing. Pili Mato is there, and he gets his droid. Now, he wanted IG-11, did not get IG-11.

So he had to use, like, a cute little droid, R-5, to help him go and explore Mandalor. Because he's got to get down to the minds. I want to talk about R-5 in a second, because this lends a lot of credibility to Steve's argument from the first. I'll just be honest. Why did he have to stop there, though? Like, yeah. This was a head scratcher for me personally,

because of all of the droids that we know grief had, that he ably offered to DIN to help him out, he needs to go to like the second best person and be like... Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's... Now that I think about it, he went there because he was still trying to get the part that was needed to fix...

Right. But the fact that she didn't have it and she's like, okay, well, that's a really hard thing to find. Sorry, you're bum out of luck here. The best I got is this scared. So what, you wanted him to go back? Yeah. What is he in a rush? But even to Steve's point, we know the whole reason that he's trying to find this memory chip is because he distrust droids.

He does not trust them. So why is he like, yeah, I'm going to trust this like rusty droid that doesn't want to come with me? like he's here against his will, and he's kind of breaking down already. He's telling us he's like, I'm not built for this life. Like, I was a little confused. This is not a great quarter flip, guys.

So check this out, right? It's not a great quarter flip. Because at this point, he just needs any droid to get his mission done. Well, then he mistrothed. That's why he went, why did he go to grief cargo then in the beginning? Yeah.

Then he's like, okay, then give me any free, give me a good droid. He went to grief to get IG11 back. Clearly he needed the memory part, right? So he's like, who do I do I do? know who got the connections who could probably get me this part.

Goes to Pelly Motto. Pellipano's like, bruh, you're not going to find this part. The people I trust, the people that we both know got anything and everything other than the sun, they're like, bro, I ain't got it like that.

You're cooked, right? Then she shows him R5, or R5D4, who is scared, ain't built for the moment, very much just like, hey man, I'm not really trying to do all this. And at that point, he's like, look, at this point,

this droid doesn't really seem like a threat to nobody he's real scared just put him in the thing bro let's get out of here we can't be going back like nobody has the time to be going back he's got to go he's got to get in a mind but he don't trust droids why does he all of a sudden be like all right fuck it because you guys are flipping

you guys are flipping like crazy right now let me tell you the droid racists y'all ever been looking for y'all ever been like so I go recipe shopping I'll be like all right I need to go to certain stores to buy some stuff right if I don't get something, if I'm like,

man, if I'm like Trader Joe's, right? And I'm like, you know, I like the garlic at, you know, something else better or if they don't have

a garlic here, I think I get a better priced over at the Walmart. I get to Walmart and it's a little more expensive. I'm not going back to the Trader Joe's, but like, Dan,

I'm going to eat my L, get the Walmart, get the Walmart, uh, Garo-Jomi, do you have a deep emotional distrust of your garlic? It doesn't make it. We're moving off this.

We don't have time for all this. We're moving off. Let's just keep it pushing off this. This is ridiculous. Oh, we got a bingo card. Grogu Flip. Grogu did two flips this episode. I jumped out of my seat.

I'm on fire right now. Really quick, though, when he flips, why does it always look like just like a doll, like just getting through the air? Just like, every single time just looks like just throwing a like a fucking toy backflipping. It happened last week. You guys have an anti-Yodas race thing going on.

What are you talking about? It is kind of because he flips and it's cool. Yeah, it is cool. No, it's cute. It wasn't cool. It's cute. See what I'm saying? When Yoda was flipping around in clones,

I said that that was awesome, and you guys criticized that, which is one of the greatest moments in Star Wars movie history. You guys have an agenda. That's one of the great. That's, whatever, bro. Let's just talk about how Peli Mato was running scams out there in these streets.

She's a fucking criminal. She's a big criminal. But no, but I'm, it's a difference between being, she's like a Tony Soprano type stripping somebody's car down and making them rebuy the parts. She's really running shit. Tell the Jawa's what to do, waiting for the lookout. But here's the thing, this is what I want to know. We know that she had, you know, a romantic and a sexual relationship with the Jawa. Do you think the Jawa, this is like Emily, Emily the criminal?

The Jawa got her into this life. I love Emily. Mm-hmm. It, maybe, it could be, or maybe she got the Jawa's in. Ooh. You know? I mean, she's giving them cuts, right? You find the car, get the pieces.

I get cut of the profits, you know, it's a real, it's like, it's real big. Let me find out. Let me find out Pelly is the Griselda Blanco of Tatooie. She's so nice to be that. I mean, she's very nice. Honestly, I would watch a second season of the book of Boba-Fet. If it was like Melo was like Marlowe. Right.

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Grogu's Mandalorian training has begun. There's a Robin Batman dynamic going on here. Charles, your thoughts? Loved it. I think that for Grogu as a character for me to take him seriously, there needs to be a progression. I think it was so cool in the first two seasons for him to be just cute and a little helpless. It is amazing seeing that, like, you would think that if he spent any amount of time with Luke,

between that and Asoka and Dinn and all these people, he would be capable. He would know how to do these things. So it was wonderful. I was like, this is such a little thing. But when he's, I didn't realize, like, he can drive the thing. Like, he was like just moving. I thought that was like just like Bluetooth to Dinn. I didn't know if he was controlling that.

Likewise. It was like Mario Go-Car and his little ears were flapping in the wind. It was perfect. And you just went up. I was like, whoa. So we go back to Mandelor here. Mandelor, not a vacation spot. No.

All fucked up. When the ship powers through the clouds, through the atmosphere, and gets to Mandelor, the scale of destruction, I don't even have a good grasp of what it used to look like. I don't know, and you guys can, can refresh my memory if I'm wrong here. I don't know that we've ever gotten a really deep depiction of what Mando Lord looked like in the glory days. We've seen... Yeah, we did on Clone Wars. On Clone Wars. But even then, though, in Clone Wars, weren't they still living in the domes that they had to live in?

You're talking about, like, High Republic or Republic days. Oh, okay. We've never seen pre, you know, the war between the Jedi and the Mandalores. Right. But to your point, we've seen it better than what we've seen it kind of before. But in the, in its state right now, the fucking destruction was evident. I thought that was a stirring shot when we cruise down there and saw that everything that was going on, the kind of place you would be afraid of, you know?

Oh, I thought it was, I thought it was beautiful. Even just seeing the city, if you've watched Clone Wars, we see what. what a city that is at least in the light and is built rebuilding looks like. So to see it all of destroyed and to see how essentially everything that happened during the Clone Wars was for not. This, it makes you, I think this is one of the first moments in this series, at least, where you realize how broken Mandelor is, not just now, but throughout history. Like, they've done it well in the cartoons, but this is the first time in live action

where I'm like, oh shit, this is like generational shit. Isn't it pretty obvious in this episode that there was a statement being made that human beings are Mandalorians? That us are human, our human society here, that we are essentially them, that the ruin that we're, and give me a little latitude here. As I walked and saw, excuse me, as I saw them walk and surveyed the destruction of a place that was once beautiful. As I saw a planet that was being held hostage by the ravages of war and the fact that there was no cooperation between its stewards, I couldn't help but think that in a way the creators of the show were making some pretty depressing predictions about where we might be headed because the Mandalorians reminded. me a lot of the humanity here on Earth, right? Am I wrong about that?

Was I just tripping? You know, am I... Oh, no, I don't think the metaphor was subtle at all. I think you're right on the nose that they were trying to draw a line that up until this point, I think what's interesting is

is that with Bocatan and Dinn, you're seeing two people debate why all of this has happened. The children of the watch believe that this was a curse that was brought upon by someone like Boketan, someone who's unworthy wielding the dark saber, while Dinn is like, he believes in the magic,

he believes in the lore. I think Boketan even says at one point that all of the history of Mandelor, all of the lore, was something that her family, the royal family, didn't even believe in. It was something to get all the people going. So I thought it was very, there were a lot of interesting ideas in terms of like why humanity destroys itself,

the way we use religion and stories and our own legends to get people to continue to fight. I thought it was very, very interesting. I also was creeped out by Din a little bit because this is one of those moments where you see him reverting back to how he was in the beginning seasons in terms of how much he believes in the children of the watch.

He's fighting with himself. And Boca Tan and Den represent two differing perspectives on what it means to be a Mandalorian. But she's much more capable in this episode. And in a way, this episode was a little depowering to Den. It put him in sort of the damsel and distress situation twice. And it almost seems like the show is making a choice about the children of the watch.

as much as Dinn might have to. Am I wrong? I don't know if it might be so much a reflection on the children of the watch by comparison to Bow's like aptitude in the field. I think it might just be more that Dinn is probably very much on the back foot here because he's kind of really cast out of all aspects of Mandalorian life

and he's got to find his way back to that and he's not really playing it as smart as he could be. you know, to say that somebody... But there's a reason, though. So let me tell you what I mean. So there... We'll get into like the happenings, right? But there's something that's colliding here.

And one is belief versus reality, right? Everywhere that Dench trying to go, Boca Tan has already been there. So she's been there for real. Like he, when she makes the pot soup, he's never even eating it before, right? So his vision of what it means to be a Mandalorian really comes from more of a belief, right? It comes from faith in one particular way,

no pun intended, of being a Mandalorian. Everything that she's talking about, like she's been there. Like she knows all of this stuff. Like, the show almost to me in a way in this episode cast her as a real Mandalorian. But she tells him, like, you say you're a Mandalorian, you've never eaten this. Like, we all eat this. She's like, yo, I've been down here. I know what the deal is, right?

And every place that he goes in terms of Mandalor, he's in danger. Like, he continuously puts himself in danger. He puts himself to danger to that really scary spider creature, like one of the scary. Star Wars creatures in a while. That was so creepy. That was so creepy. And then obviously with the Mythosaur, he puts himself like in danger again.

And she bells him out again. So it almost seems like there is something there that they're making some sort of a commentary on it. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. I mean, but even to your point, though, I was wondering and Jomi, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

Because I don't know exactly the timeline, but when Dyn says, that he's actually never been to Mandelor, and he says he grew up on Concordia. That gave me, I'm just like, this man has almost been a refugee for his entire life, where it's by the time he could have gone to Mandelor,

it was destroyed. As a child, it kind of seems like he was almost a second-class citizen from what I remember from the Clone Wars in terms of like, that was the home of Death Watch. So part of me is just like how much, like, Jome, you'll ask you,

what was happening on Concordia, when Dean was around that age, it should have been around the time Death Watch was popping up. Nah, I mean, Death Watch, like, so they, you know, Concordia was a mining moon. They, you know,

the mines almost destroyed the moon's forest and whatnot. But when the war between the Manoran Civil War ended, they sent all the warriors, all the descending parties to Concordia, y'all said, donuts, y'all do your thing, go crazy. By the time the Clone Wars shows up, they had like a governor,

like it was his own province, you know, but, you know, when your province leader is pre-visla, the leader of Def Watch, things tend to get a little murky and a little messed up. Ultimately, that's where Din did grow up. That's where Din was lived for most of his childhood life,

but there was a, they were a different part of Manorans, the children of the watch. And that's where he's from, and that's how, you know, the creed, and that's his whole, his whole thing.

Presumably, that's where they, They might have been in the first episode when they came with the, when he saved him from the alligator monster, but we have no idea of knowing. But that's, uh, that's where he,

that's where he's from. Yeah. You know what this kind of reminded me of? What? There's going to be a weird comparison. You guys remember a gladiator? Yes. The movie?

Yeah. Good movie, right? So, amazing movie. Right. So there's a part when, um, Marcus Aurelius is talking about.

Maximus, and this always jumped out at me as a really important part of gladiator that nobody really talked about, or maybe they did, we talked about movies in a different way when we weren't when we actually went outside. But

they're having a conversation, and Maximus is telling Marcus Aurelius about Rome, and Marcus Aurelius says to Maximus, he goes, yeah, but you've never been there. You've never been to Rome. And I remember watching it going, huh, how the fuck has he never been to Rome before? Like, how has he never been there before?

But then when you know your history, you know that there were guys that were fighting. The Roman Empire was so vast and so big that they're fighting all over the place. And they're from all different parts of the world, but yet they still are Roman, right? And they're almost more Roman in belief, not even so much in culture than they are anything else. then in this particular situation is Mandalorian really kind of in just belief, right? And this episode, and like in the movie Gladiator, like Maximus's life completely changes when he finally gets to Rome. And he kind of sees what it's like. He sees how the people are.

He sees all the political shit that's going on. And it changes what he feels like it means to be a Roman. And then, you know, because he's not from there, it makes him uniquely suited to lead. And I wonder if it's kind of the same track that maybe Den is on a little bit, you know? He's going to learn maybe what it really means to be a Mandalorian.

Because maybe Death Watch is not really indicative of that. So, I mean, my question to y'all is, once Din finds out that the atmosphere is safe, I was like, okay, who was saying that it was unsafe to be on Mandelor? Because part of me was just like, is now I'm starting to look at the armor different and now I want to go back to the first episode

because for her to have control over the children of the watch, she has to make Mandelor seem bigger than reality, bigger than legend. She has to make her followers believe in something bigger than themselves when Boatatatan is like, know I've been here, it's a piece of shit now. Part of me was like, has, do you guys think it was the armor potentially telling the children of the watch

that they can't return to Mandelor? Well, remember, Bogatan, you know, she's talking about how, in the first episode, it's like, you know, people say it's curse, it's not cursed, bro, we're just terrible people. Like, I think that's just something when you've been through so much tragedy as the Mandalorians have been in, you know,

with the Civil War, and then the Nine of a Thousand Tears, the Siege of Mandelore. Or you're like, bro, this planet, man, every time we show, every time we show up, something bad happens, man. Like, this point, it's cooked.

It's done. Like, why are we even still here? Every time we're here, something terrible, unimaginably awful happens. You know, so it just after, you know,

millennia of this thing's happening, you just feel like, yeah, this planet is far away this planet we can get, the better. Because only bad things happen to us when we're here.

You know, so to some point, it's like, yeah, we feel cursed. On the opposite side of that, though, if we were to like kind of play to the idea of a possible like armor or heel turn, what if there were like, what if there are like fractions in, you know, the children of the watch's

way of propagating a bit of a conspiracy theory that like Mandelor is now a Chernobyl situation, never go back. We will be these nomadic people that will forego everything that Death Watch ever was. So we can't even, like, don't even think about going back there. Don't even look to do that. So, like, the only reason that I would even challenge Dinn to go back to the minds of Mandelor to absolve himself is because he knows that that's a death trap. Or that I've convinced him. I've convinced him that that's impossible.

But he'll do it anyway. I think that that's a very interesting type of question to look out for, to know that, like, if there are lies happening, that's also a very interesting type of way to. Sure. So seeds of descend on the. Mandalorian people. Let's talk about, oh, go ahead. Jombie's got a thought.

Oh shit. Oh shit. For the first time in a long time, Joey's got a thought. No. I mean, she was like, you can't, you, the only way you can redeem yourself is to go into the minds of Mandalor, which are on the planet, mandolore, which was destroyed. So you're cooked to my boy. Good luck.

And he's defying her, defying Bo, defying everybody, being like, nah, I'm going to do it. This is how I believe. So it's not, I don't really... I'm not saying that she's like, oh, no, it's actually fine. It's a total lie. But, like, the mere thought that, like, oh, well, the air is toxic,

you can't breathe. Like, it's a no-go from the start. Well, he's like, well, I can breathe. And it seems like... I mean, that was the one... I was the nitpick where I was just like, wait, this motherfucker could have breathed on Mandelor the whole time.

So he could have just went. Because he, because even Din is like a little like, oh, it's... It was true. Okay. Well, well... So when he goes out there, he could have breathed, but he didn't know he could breathe.

He took the chance because of what happened to R5, and we got to talk about R5 later, we will during Steve's Creature Corner. But he had the little rebreather in his joint. We don't know how long that lasts. It might not be practical to go down there and do your business on Mandelor for hours and hours or days at a time using the rebreather. I'm sure, you know, so maybe you can't breathe. It means you can't go there because your shit is only going to last for 30 minutes. or an hour, and then you're going to have to come back. So, like, what sense does it make to go down there trying to jump in water and swim around and all that dumb-ass shit?

You know, especially when it's dangerous as fuck, which, you know. I think it's an interesting foil if there's some lies going on. Look, eventually, Dan and Grog were going to have to decide what type of Mandalorians there are. Exactly, exactly. And I think that the show is kind of setting that up, like, right now. And really, let's talk about Boca Tan because, you know, Boca Tan is the hero of this episode. She's, it's like, she, this is the rightest that Boca Tan has ever been in anything.

Everything that Boatan does in this episode is right. She saves him. She wills the lightsaber. He still can't fucking do it. I don't even know why he tries at this point. Like, hold on, hold on. He was much better in this episode than we've seen him previously. What?

I'm not, look, it's a scale. I'm not talking like he's Jordan with the thing right now, but he held his own way. It's still a little bit heavy, but he held his own way better than we've seen him before. Like he's learning. His baby steps. Baby steps. But he's not cutting his leg off, right? That's step one.

You didn't hurt yourself. Well done, Den. Great job. Jummi, it's been some time. I don't disagree with you. He doesn't have any talent with the dark scene. And to be fair. I don't think that the Dark Sabre is supposed to be for him.

I think that's kind of what we're talking about. Well, I disagree. I disagree. But all I will say is, if I quarter-flip this, Jomey, he's been with the Dark Saber for what, at least a year at this point? They say two. Maybe two? They say two. Yeah, right? Yeah, because it's a real time.

John Fevers said real time, right? He said two. So he's had the Dark Sabre for two years. at least even more so because it was two years since he got back with Grogoo in Book of Boba Fit. So that was

two years. So he's had it for two. No, no. Because John Favro said that was like a year and change. Okay. Okay. A year and change. But still, he's had the Dark Sabre for long enough where I'm like bro, like... He's not been in the gym. That's what it is. That's what ultimately... He really hasn't been practicing. He's not shooting 300 shots

a day. You know, he's not running sprints. He really not been locked in. where you're supposed to be locked in, you know? Was the Bokitan shit home court advantage? Because I was trying to... Of course. I was just trying to figure out, I'm just like, yo, she's Superman down here.

What the fuck is happening? It was so great to see. I was just, I was like, oh, I didn't know she had movies like this. Not playing with none of y'all. Not playing with you dreadlock demons. Not playing... Not playing with Spider-Man. Not playing...

Shit, she kind of not playing with the... Mythosaur, I mean, we don't know, but like, not playing. She just knows everything, and she is supremely confident. Not only is she confident being back in Mandelor, she's confident that Den is fucking crazy.

She's like, she's like supremely confident. Like, he's getting himself into all of these scrapes. She's like, okay, he's had enough. Now it's time to go back. He got his blood drawn. Just a creepy scene. We got to come back to that. That was some Mad Max shit. That was no. He's crazy.

And he's like, nah, I gotta go on. She's like, yo, my dog, what's wrong with you? You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're playing. Comes down there, reading a little thing, Den never saw it before. Like, this is Boca Tan's episode, right?

Yeah. So wait, so my question too, though, is that do we, do we think that Boca Tan is hyper talented in this way? Because, like,

technically she's gone through more than Din has in terms of, like, the Clone Wars. She was fighting when motherfuckers at their peak. You know what I'm saying? Like, she saw the Jedi. Part of me was like, Boketan should have always been this in the show in terms of her fighting prowess because

she was alive during one of the most dangerous times in the galaxy. What are you asking? Like, is, like, but it seemed, but it seemed, the reason it seemed weird is because I guess I don't remember Bocatian being this capable in the Mandalorian before. Like, this was a jump. Like, her wielding the lightsaber, the dark saber, I was just like, I've seen the Clone Wars Shore, but she was not acting like this in the previous seasons of the Mandalorian at all. She's attracted to the Dark Sabre. Well, yeah.

The Dark Sabre is her, the Dark Sabre and Boca Tan is like Obi-Wan and Satin. She, she, it is, bro. Like, she really, I think she probably is so good with the Dark Saber because she used to talk to the Dark Sabers. Like, hey, how you doing? Like, my, yeah. My precious shit?

Because it's funny, if you go back, I'll go back and I watch the last episode of season two. Look how she's looking at the Dark Sabres. She's like, oh, my God. Yeah. There goes her way to claim rule to Manorlord. It's gone. Goodbye.

See you later. Which to me feels crazy that once she picks it up, handles the spider guy and will just, like, I guess, give it back to Dinn now. She has to. I know she has to. But she just respects the game too much. She knows she got a lot of shit. If you're Bo Katan. isn't that the perfect time to challenge him, though?

Like, he's all blood. Right. I was what I was thinking. Well, you got to give him the dark saber. Give him the dark saber. But you don't have to give it to him in a real way, right? Right. Hey, Dan, it's his weapon.

No, Dean, put your hand out. Put your hand out. Put your hand out. And as soon as he puts his head out, knock that motherfucker out of his hand. C-Van. Bunch him in his shit. And then you got the dark saber. Just flip his helmet off.

If you look on. Like, flip his helmet off. If you recall in the Mandalorian season two finale, Dinn didn't want the Dark Sabre. Then was like, Bo, have it. It's okay. I know I want it in combat. It's cool.

It's all yours. She can't take it back through any other illegitimate means because the way she got it, she was given to by Sabine and Rebels. And you're not supposed to get the Dark Sabre like that. You're missing my point. You're missing my point. My point is it works for everybody.

Because it doesn't say that, you can't fight a motherfucker that's injured. I haven't seen that in the Dark Saber rules. It doesn't say that you can't fight somebody that's like groggy that needs some sleep. Also, we're on the abandoned surface of Mandelor. Who's going to tackle? It doesn't say any of that. All it says is you got to fight them for the Sabre.

Let's be real, though. Already she has a reputation of when she gets the Dark Saber, that shit happens. If I'm Boca Tan, I'm just like, oh, they need evidence. Like, my boys need to be around to see me stomp, stomp him out for it to be a legitimate claim. I think if she had never fucked up, you would be right, Dan. But because she already has motherfuckers who have seen, like, hey, you didn't get the Dark Sabre legitimately. I think she has to do it in a bigger revenue. I agree with that. I think that's a very salient point. Perhaps just like Din can do this alone and then just come out and say, hey, I did it. Like,

I don't know what the proof is here. He said I'm going to bring proof. Maybe it's, I was thinking about this. Is the proof, does he have to bring back like one of the horns of the Mithosaur or something like that? Like what could the proof be? Does he have to get like a water sample and then know like what could the proof be? Does is video? Mald and Joe just said pool selfies, but I mean, Bogotan was there, right? Boca Ton could be like, hey, they don't, they don't care about what she say. Didn't R5, uh, didn't R5 though jack into the to the ship and he was like watching them? So maybe he has something that can like take a picture? Like maybe he was just like, Like, hey, R5, make sure you, like, filming my good side for the armor.

I'll be honest with y'all. I'm not so sure that Bo Katan can't beat the shit out of den. Whoa, I mean, did you see her? I mean, look, she put in work with the Dark Saber. You saw it in that episode. She tore up that little crab, a little thing, like, real simple. Like, it wasn't even a thought. Like, it was real easy.

She'd been putting in work. She's one of the best. That episode really showed her talents. You know, we saw it a little bit. We saw a lot in Clone Wars, a little bit in Rebels. but Bocotas, you don't want her hands, my boy. You really don't. If we're just thinking about Dind, though, is Dinn that guy in the season?

Because it's starting to seem like he's not. Seems like he's a little bit on the back foot. Him just sinking into the waters of Mandelor was very funny to me, though. Well, I mean, I guess we'll talk about that later, but I don't think he just, like, dropped like a stone. I think he was dragged because he don't fall that fast. Yeah, he dragged. Yeah, I think it was definitely dragged.

It's definitely gag. She didn't happen to her. I don't know if she's got pure Biscar or not, which I'm not so sure if I was right about all of them not having Besscar. I'll be honest with you. I've looked it up and it's inconclusive. Like he is so like so, but I don't know. She didn't drop like that. She was down there swimming like goddamn Michael Phelps.

Yeah, but she had the jet on. Jets on. Yeah. She had the jets on. He took his jets off. He took his jets off. Yeah. He's an idiot.

He doesn't know anything about it. He doesn't know anything about. Mandelor. Again. He's like, he doesn't know what to, he doesn't know what to do

in this situation. That's completely fair. Also, they, up until that moment, the myth of sore was a myth. True. Right?

Up until then, the myth, now it's a conformosaur. Like, you know it exists. Stupid ass. Okay. Like,

it's one of those things. Right? It's one of those things where we're giving din a lot of crap, but at the same time, like if I went into like a,

uh, uh, uh, a, uh, and the lockn nest monster pulled me down. We'd be there like, Johnny, man, you got a no better.

Like, no, bro. Well, to be fair, this is the second time. We've seen Mandalorians just get wrecked by sea creatures that they weren't even looking out for in the first place. I'll be honest with you. It's not just then. It's the whole death watch. Yeah.

Charles. No, you mean children of the watch. Excuse me. The whole children of the watch. The whole children of the watch is not having a good couple episodes. That crocodile, big lyle, fucked them. And they refused to run.

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and discover the versatility of Viori clothing. Exclusions apply, visit the website for full terms and conditions. We've joked about it a little bit. But why is the Dark Sabre so much harder for Den to control than Boca Tan? She seems completely comfortable with it. Give the people some concrete answers.

He struggles with it. Like, why? He is not good with it. I mean, we saw it in, you know, know, our favorite episodes quite actually in the Buck of Boba Fett, you know, where the armor is like, it's, you know, you got to, you have to believe that you can use this sword. You have to believe that you have the right and the ability because it's weighing you down, right? You're swinging it like a cleaver when it's really, you know, a sword. and it's something that you can chase this back to rebels where Canaan is teaching Sabine how to use the Dark Sabir.

And he says, energy constantly flows through the crystal. You're not fighting with a simple blade as much as you're directing the current of power. Your thoughts, your actions, they become energy. They flow through the crystal as well and become a part of the blade. Okay, this is from the trials of the Darksaber. And ultimately, what I believe it boils down to

is that Dinn does not believe he's worthy of the Dark Sabre. He doesn't. Pocatan is very much, this is my birthright. I am supposed to be the wielder of this saber. I'm the one who's destined to lead the new age of Mandaloreans. And Dinn does not have that faith. He just not have the belief. He's like, I've got it.

I'm here with it. I'm going to do my best with it. But at the end of the day, he does not have that energy. He does not have those thoughts, that actions of I belong here, this is what I'm supposed to do, right? So can I ask you this, Jomi, is it more,

could it also just be that it's not just that he doesn't believe that he can wield the Dark Sabre? It's the fact that we do know from the last season that there is conflict in him in terms of like the way and whatever new Mandalorian culture, him and Grogu are probably going to create?

Does the Dark Saber potentially sense that there's conflict in him? He is not as resolute as someone like Boca Tan was just like, I know who I am, I know what this is, I'm going to get busy. That's 100% part of it, right? Like, there's just so much going on inside him in terms of, you know, what it means to like he doesn't even know what it means to be Manilorn anymore, right? He's going to the minds of Manilor to try and reestablish himself in the way but even Bocatan was like,

bro, what are you talking about? We did this as kids and it was like, just for show, you know, and you're going out there doing this like, like it means something. You know, like, it's just everything is so confusing inside him and that directly correlates

to his talent with the dark samber. It's just not happening. Once you get a clear mind, I'd love to see him use it. I think he could be cool with it, but at this juncture, it's just all struggles in his head and it's clouding his skills with

the coolest sword in Star Wars. I wanted to pose the question, what do we think would be the best thing to kind of clear his head? I offered that it would probably have to be something with Grogu because of anything that he's done or set himself to do, he's only been the most assured and the most

right in his mind when it comes to raising and teaching and being with Grogu. How do we think Grogu could set his mind right about wanting to be resolute in his way? I don't know that Gros would, in my opinion. No? Because I think the Dark Sabre is, is, um, the Dark Saber is attached to or associated with leadership in the Mandalorian culture.

And I don't think Grogu represents that for Dan. I, I'm, it's more of like, what, what does Grogu have to teach Dyn with his own way? I don't know. This is a big question for like the entirety of the show, right? It is because it is because for me, part of me wants to say, part of me went into this season thinking that in some way we end up with Dan being the leader of Mandelor and or Grogu at some point being the leader of Mandelaar.

I'm still waiting for him to say. It's on the big old car. Yeah, you know, but I am starting to think that maybe what we're seeing is Grogo and Den become a family and that Mandelor doesn't matter and that the children of the watch don't matter

and the only thing that matters is how they define their love and their bond to one another and that the Dark Sabre is just starting to become less I mean the next episode he could pick up the Dark Sabre and hold that bitch up like he man

and go wow But maybe the Dark Sabre is starting to become an indication that Dinn is supposed to be a father and not a bounty hunter, a leader, or a religious zealid. Yeah, like maybe the moment where we see Deng put the work in with the Dark Sabre isn't, you know, talking about like Mandelor or, you know, Bocatan. Maybe it's defending Groko. Maybe somebody got the sticks on Grogan. He's like, ah, hell nah. and we finally see him do the thing and that's where his mind is supposed to be

that's where his mind is most strong, most focused. Because does he destroy it? Does that what, maybe he does become the leader of Mandelor, but potentially he has to destroy the Dark Saber because this is the thing that keeps fucking them up is letting a sword determine who your leader is going to be every couple of years.

I'm going to hold you. That would kind of piss me off. I'm not going to lie. Why? That's the coolest thing. That's the coolest thing of Star Wars, bro. You can't destroy the Dark Sater. Sorry, not cooler than an election, a fair election, Jomey.

Hey, but look, I just got to be real with y'all. This is like a rabbit hole because if you say this about the Mandalorians, you got to say the same thing about the Wakandans, you know? I'd just be honest with you. You got to say somebody at TMZ. I'm sorry, is trial by combat not a good way to elect the leader? Somebody at TMZ once said, I remember, I'm not going to name the person. They said, yo, it's kind of stupid that they elected, they were white.

It's kind of stupid that they choose their leaders by fighting. I said, bigot? That was my exact response. I was so mad. Bigot? I have an observation to make, can you guys tell me if I'm going too far here? As far as choices that Den has made in the Mandalorian, remember, being a Mandalorian was not a choice for him.

He's a family. Okay. So it wasn't a choice. Even going to the minds right now is not a choice. It's duty and honor and creed bound. He has no other way out. There are two choices that he's really made that weren't bound by obligation or bound by some sense of duty. Two choices. One is when he put his finger down to connect with grow, the first time that we saw Grogu. He saw something in Grogu for whatever reason. And he fell in love.

He chose to open himself up to Grogu, right? That's number one. Number two is to take his helmet off. Correct. Like, the second one is actually taking his helmet off to let the thing that he loves most in life see his actual face. Those are the two choices that he's made.

I think that he's going to make more choices that have directly to do with Grogo, Grogu and nothing else. And everything else in Den's life, it seems it's duty, honor, creed, religion bound, except Grogu. It is only defined by the connection that he has to his son. And in a way, that's kind of his freedom. It is.

And think about what we were faced, what Grogu was faced with when he was about to leave Luke. The antithesis of that Jedi way, the Jedi order, abandoned. connection. Don't let those things weigh that down. Grogu chose to stay with his dad. Another choice to seemingly reject a methodology or way of life, something that we think that he is destined for because he is so very powerful with the forced and presumably to be a Jedi, for the sake of his father, for the sake of that love. To know that these are both beings that are trying to connect with each other while still kind of at odds and ends with what they are supposed to be, quote unquote, that's going to be their internal conflict. We don't see that Grogu is

particularly, you know, conflicted by not wanting to be a Jedi. He's obviously a child and wants to just live with his dad, the one that he loves. Talk about the Jedi. Exactly. To know that Din is still, he made that choice of love to reveal his face and to break his sacred vow, but the moment that he knows that he can't be a Mandalorian anymore, now he has to make up for that. What does that say about him wanting to be a father? What does that say about his connection to Grogu? Does that kind of set that connection back a little bit?

Does he walk away that? Are you guys saying that potentially, I don't know if it was on our bingo card, but does Dean just walk away from Mandalorian culture? Does he decide that it's just not at the end of the day worth it, especially for him and Grogu? don't know. I think part of it is, again, like, you know, he can sit down and be like, hey, I'm the guy who's supposed to unite Manilor. You know, I've got the Dark Sabre, the Mythosur, you know, I mean? Like, so if we're going to do it, we're going to do it my way.

But I think, Van, you, when you said, you mentioned this, I think that's the central theme, the central question of this entire show is Grogu's relationship, Gurgoo and Dan's relationship and how that affects as a person, right? Does duty, does creed, does being a Mandalorian, is that more important than being Grogu's daddy?

Like that's all, that's really what it comes down to. For sure. So when it's all set and done, we'll be we'll see as the rest of the season goes, as the rest of the show goes, how those two things on conflict and how DIN resolves it, because that's really,

how the show's going to progress. When it's all said and done, what means more? Being a Mandalorian or being Brogu's dad? Honestly, if we're going to be real, I think Grogu's tired of being part of a single-parent household. I feel like he was really trying to cozy up to Bo, trying to be like, my dad's not that bad.

Like, I know he's a little bit freaky with the religion, but hey, you know, he got a job. I mean, if Grogu was really smart, he'd be like, you know, your boyfriend, Marshall, back on Tatooine, like you guys can make a pretty good life for yourselves. They were they were, they were vibing for sure. What's really funny is when Boca Ton saw his ship the second time, by the way, is Bo just sitting in that chair all day?

This, the craziest line. The craziest line was like, your highness, an unscheduled visitor. Who's on the schedule? What are your books looking like, Bo? Well, you know, she got a door dash at 11 a.m. Right. Right. Then she got the door dash at F4.

Right. Brood time from four to nine. I'll be honest. She got to work out. I know depression when I see it sitting alone in a chair all day. When in the doorbell rings, you're like, fuck, bro. I would love it. Hey, don't talk about Boca Tans mental health.

She's damn bad. No, no. But the point I was trying to get to is when she sees the ship, she's like, all right, I'm going to take care of it. Like, I thought she was really to give my man man over the hands. It's like, shoot him. Like, man, she was feeling, you know. No, I was sent in sexual attention. She walked out there like I'm sick of this motherfucker.

Don't come around here. Wait, then, why did she rescue him? That's what it confused me. Why did she rescue him then? She rescued him because I feel like him being in trouble was the jolt that she needed. Oh, I don't want him to die. You know, we did have some times. But stop bothering me about dumb shit.

Get out. You know what I'm saying? Also, you know, what are you doing here? Download the joy. Tell them where they've been. Excuse me? They were in Manlor? He's on Mandelor right now, the place that nobody's supposed to be at,

don't you're supposed to go? Well, it's time to go back home then, I guess. We're going back to the crib. All right, Steve's Creature Corner, tell us about R5D4. Before you start, let me tell you something right now. Right. R5D4 had fear. Yes, he did.

And so because he had fear, I'm going to amend some things that I said about droids. Retracting some statements here. No, no. No, no, no, no. And toasting. Okay. I'm going to amend some things that I said about droids. He had fear.

And I felt for him. And I remembered, and I actually thought about this later, I remembered that I felt for the little droid. And if they have fear, then that means a whole lot of things that maybe they shouldn't be made to work for free. So, Steve, I stand corrected. Midnight Boys Retraction. Okay.

Who was R5D4? Our beloved R5D4, Eagle-Ead viewers would recognize him as at least the very same make and model that Owen and Lars bought from the Jawa's in Star Wars, A New Hope, ever heard of it, might be a tad convenient for us to know if this is the same R5D4 from a new hope. What an old bag of gears this guy is. And he's seen quite a bunch of stuff.

and having to actually get back on to Mandalorian scared out of his wits, absolutely not built for this life, hilarious and a great turn. Is it convenient? My question to the group, is it a bit convenient for Dinn to magically get over his distrust of droids? We briefly touched on this for R5D4. Is there a type of droid? No, no, it's not.

I'm sick of it. He had something that he had to do. The only thing more important than his distrust of droids is getting in fucking, Lake Superior of Mandelor and swimming around. So he prioritized. Y'all are wrong. It's the fact when he said,

don't be, so because I, this is my issue. What was the whole premiere about? He only trusts IG 11. I'm like, the premiere was, that's the only droid in the world that he trust. So it's not about that. So what, okay, so what is he not supposed to go

until he finds the part that he needs? He gave up on the memory chip a little easy for my liking. She told him that it wasn't going to happen. So did bubble frit? What he was in a bubble frit then? Oh, Jesus Christ. You know, I didn't mean to get it this heated.

I didn't mean to get it this heated. He also could have taken a new Astrobeck. Grief was going to give him a brand new spaken iPhone. And he's like, sorry, no, I'm going to take the fucking broken down scared version. What, bro? At that point, he was still focused on IG 11. Right.

Okay. It was just something. for us to get back and meet Grief Clark again. Let him go. I'm just pretty disappointed that just because the Jawa's sold Owen and Lars a lemon like 30 years ago, 40, 50 years ago, now this guy's got to go to the surface of Mandelor scared out of his mind for free. She mentioned that he fought in the rebellion, right?

That R5D4 was in the rebellion. So he's got some shell shock. He's got PTSD. He's retired. Yeah. He's giving them all up. Like, he's retired. I felt bad for him.

He's retired. He's hanging out. He's got a life that he likes. He doesn't want to do this anymore. And now he's told by some dude in a helmet, don't be a baby. The fact that he gets stomped out like five minutes later by those aliens, I felt so bad for him. I was like, no wonder he was scared. He knew this was fucked up.

It's like, don't make me go turn around that corner because you'll never see me again. What do we think about those guys? What do we think about those guys, the fucking kind of savage aliens on Mandelor? They look kind of cool. It was cool. I felt bad for them a little bit. A little bit. They weren't really, you're in their crib.

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. Not only were you in their crib. So Bokitan was just like, yo, these are the homies that basically we had pushed to the outskirts of society when Mandelore is here. And then the whole planet blows up. All of the Mandalores like, they, Mandalorians like fucking leave. And then they're like, all right, cool. Well, if you don't want this anymore, there's going to be our home. and the first thing that happens when Mandalorians are turned

is they just start fucking shit up. Like, come on, man. We can keep the Mecca Godzilla guy out, though. That guy was, we don't need him. Yeah. Which Mecca Godzilla. Who are y'all talking about? The spider.

The nasty spider man. Oh, the nasty, nasty spider. He reminded me of the weird snake guy from Clone Wars, who was like helping nurse, Darth Mall back from a, when Darth Mall had the weird spider legs. Yeah, he reminded me. of that guy, they're probably cousins. The Mythesore.

Which I think, I mean, I didn't know we would ever see the Mithosaur. Din is about to fulfill the prophecy. Of all the times that Bo kept her helmet off, which in another weird nitpick, I'm like, why can't you just wear it? Like, you really have to like hold it by your hip the whole time when you're walking? I really wish we would have gotten her actual reaction

when she came out of the water to react to that. Because if we were to assume that this is like she should be like absolutely shocked and like this is going to be something that completely changes her mind and motivation for the rest of the season to come. We can assume that. Maybe it's it's what sets her up to be an app. Like she's like, brad the mythosaur came to you? Or this shit is real or like we need to take this way more seriously. We need to band together with the children of the watch. Maybe the mythosaur will come to her.

Uh. I mean, this is an interesting interpretation because she saw it while she was rescuing him. We don't exactly know how we could kind of presume that he, like it was pulled down. Dyn was pulled down by it. There could be this debate about like Dyn was like, no, the Mithesore came to me. Or no, the Mithesaur came to Dyn. This is the person that's supposed to fulfill the prophecy. She could be regalvanized about the whole leadership of Mandelor thing.

Wait, but further. Just because of this. listeners who aren't steeped in the lore, let's tell them what were mean. So the armor did say in a previous episode, quote, the songs of Eons past foretold of the Mythosaur rising up to herald a new age of Mandibor.

And obviously, everyone thought that, or at least Boca Tan thought that the Mythosaur was no longer a fucking thing if it was ever a thing. They thought they were at least extinct, if not made up. They probably came back

during the time that there were no mandoloreans. You know how like when we all had to go inside with the pandemic and then fucking we saw owls like just chilling out. I'm like, what the fuck? Like where's the fucking, they're like, hey, y'all finally did it to yourselves?

Shit, it's lit again. Like it was before, some Mithosaur probably came back in the time that there were no Mandalorians to fuck everything up. So the whales in Avengers endgame where they're swimming right away. The pod of whales. And yeah, they're gone.

They're finally gone. Yeah. So my question, though, is, do you think that the Mithosaur grabbed in for a reason? Yeah, I think this is letting the people know who's the one. After that game,

I saw that performance and was just like, this is my guy. We're building our whole team around him. That's how it would be sometimes. You know, sometimes you get hurt in game one. and it's like, I don't know, can we build around this guy? Is he really the guy? Remember, Steph Curry had mad ankle issues back then.

Not I mean? They were worried if they pay him or not. Yeah, but then he scored, but then he scored 54 against New York, and it was like, all right, he's cool. And the reality is like... Don't wait for that moment. From Dan, well, Dan is, see, this is what happens with Reese's advice. Let's not play Dan like he totally whacked.

He had a bad game. He had one bad game. Whoa, whoa, he's got a couple bad games in a row, if we're going to be honest. Okay, when before? Yeah, but is he out? Like, you just count him out now? Grogo had to save his ass in Book of Obamette, right or wrong. Oh, that is true.

Yeah, it is true. You know what I'm saying? So, but let's see, what else? He did beat Mafa Gideon, so that's a point in him. One, two. He got busy in Book of Boba, Fah. The first time we see him in Book of Boba Fah, he creased out like six guys.

I mean, he cut itself in the leg. This is my problem. DIM puts up numbers against the jobbers, against the goons. But when it comes to the real deal shit, sometimes he'd be... Oh, shut up. He'd be like, like, oh, shit.

That's not true. That's not true at all. He'd be stat bad. That's not true. He beat the big bad of season 3. He beat the big bad of season two. Like, he beat the big bad of season two. John Carlo Espozito, no force, no nothing.

Like, congratulations. You beat the old man. Dan don't got the force. Come on. Like, anyway, we are. I'm kidding. I love, dude. I love you.

All right. Guys, that was the Mandalorian episode two. Nerd News Minute. Let's go. Hey, guys. We wanted to give you a little bit extra content. All right. I have me, the Mint Boys, Van had to go to one of his many podcast recordings.

So, guys, there is big talk in a galaxy far, far away. Based on some news that dropped, Kevin Feigey and Patty Jenkins, Star Wars movies have been shelved for the foreseeable future. We're still getting a Taika Watiti project that he's potentially starring in. And it seems like the Damon Lindelof project is maybe still a go. Want to ask y'all. Is the Mandalorian destined to be the center of the Star Wars universe for the foreseeable future? Because at this point, I don't actually know when we're getting movies. I know there's dates around, but I just don't believe them.

You know what got me was, I think in that piece, or I was reading it somewhere, they mentioned Asoka as a the Mandalorian spinoffin'off. It was like, oh, it's cooked. It's like, oh, it's cooked. Which is insane. Which is nuts. Which is so nuts. about technically it is it's just very it is yeah it is yeah

who cares about clote rebels like don't even worry about that don't you worry about that now but they're definitely basing a lot of they're like they found to be successful which is the manorian on tv and they're riding that way if they're bringing characters into live action they are definitely moving in the disney plus direction so i mean i guess

if it if it if it if it if it if it ain't broke right? Why fix it? And I think this is also kind of indicative of the Iger return slash shakeup. If we look at what Marvel's doing right now, they're really pumping the brakes at the output of the MCU's movies and TV shows. We're still waiting on those dates for the TV shows. But when I see something like this to know that like the likes of Kagan Fike, that the likes of Kevin Feigy and Patty Jenkins are not so much on the outs, but like really, really on whole. and to think that we're not really sure when the next type of movies is, I think that this is really just, okay, we need to really reassess what we're doing here.

Iger's, like, again, he's got the keys, so he's like, how good are we with all of this stuff for real? If everything's just being ruminated and talked about, we kind of got to go back to the drawing board on a couple of things. If, you know, the acolyte isn't ready, if Tyca's thing is just going to be a weird thing starring him, I'm personally maybe not over the moon about it, but I'd like to think that we could still probably wait on a couple of Star Wars movies if they're actually going to be worthwhile. Because we'll easily wait for a good Star Wars movie. What we don't want is another type of possible phase four MCU situation where there's just too much, too fast, and we're just drowning in things that we're not even that excited about.

So taking what you just said, do we think, one of the reasons, because it was basically said in the article, but we don't know. Do you guys believe that one of the reasons why Kevin Feige's and Michael Waldron's Star Wars movie was shelved was because the MCU has been so shaky lately in terms of the critical reception and the fact that they're not, it's not like a movie is making a billion every time it comes out anymore. It's been a little bit wobbly. My first thought was, oh, yeah, they got that bad back in the lab.

they got that man doing 12 hour days you know three beats a three beats a day for five summers bro you're saying Figey's in the edit room like nah we clean in this all this shit I don't know if Fige needs to be in not in the edit room I'm saying in the metaphorical edit room but I think the thing is like I don't think that Fikey is necessarily

like in the doghouse because of a sort of like post quantum mania fallout of like okay we need to really reassess everything here I think that this was in the works for a minute because phase four entirely was just, I think we could all agree a bit too much

for a lot of what we got. And for, you know, the next sort of phase of what Star Wars is going to be, for all of these things that we want to get done, and especially for the next, like, foreseeable future that we have for this NCU, I think,

again, I see this more as a thing from the top. I don't think Kevin Faggy's in trouble. I don't think he's going to, I think he's going to stick. I was more so asking, do you think that this was a Figey, Disney, Kathleen Kennedy collective decision of like,

does it make sense for Fagy with everything on his plate trying to write a ship to be also trying to get a Star Wars movie? I think that that's pretty fair to say. Like, let's just, let's just course correct on MCU and we'll worry about Star Wars later. It'll always be here. So then are we fine with the Mandalorian and Asoka being more important than the movies?

I mean, yeah, they've been that important for a minute. For a while, Mandalorian was all Star Wars was, and it's all we wanted Star Wars to be for a minute. And then we got the likes of Andor, and now we can see how big that portfolio can get. Do we necessarily want a whole other Book of Oba Fett situation?

Do we want more things that would flood the zone? I'm excited to know what skeleton crew looks like. I'm excited to know what the acolyte can do. But I think that this is a bit more quality control than anything else. Hey man, I am at the point where I think it's fine If Star Wars just does TV They do it like I'm not saying they do it perfect every time

But Asoka is gonna be fucking fantastic The movies you can't deny Yeah, but here's my thing We can wait How long do we have to wait for the prequels? How long did we have to wait for the sequel trilogy? Like it's okay Like if you told me they're not gonna make

another Star Wars movie for a decade I wouldn't be mad at them I think it's okay to let things rest I'd be a little sad but yeah until you have an actual idea. I don't want them to keep being like, hey, yo, y'all want, you y'all want this movie,

that movie they're giving one to everybody. I'm like, nobody gives a fuck about this. I think what's interesting is that Star Wars, you know, you get the first six movies. And then for a lot of it, it's a lot of TV, really, between the Clone Wars, between rebels,

between the Mandalorian, between Andor, or even, you know, shows like resistance. there's so much Star Wars television that you can argue since like 2005 that they've just been making TV you know, that's their bread and butter. That's what they know how to do.

And so there's no, it should be no foul on them being like, all right, chill off the movies, you know. Again, what's the last thing we saw in the theaters, Star Wars? Don't do that. That's where we're moving to head. We don't need to dunk on Rise of Skywalker anymore, Joe. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. Right? Let's get that. I know it's been like almost four years. Let's get that. I still got the nasty taste in my mouth. All right. I don't know if I'm going to go back to a theater.

Like, hey, we got the Star Wars show. I don't know. Can I trust these people again with my $17? I don't know. The modest film for going to the movies now, $17. Get the recline chain, everything, bro. It's nice. And I'm not serious just, though.

Like, they've been making a lot of great TV for the last, you know, almost 20 years. There's no problem with that. I like that approach. I agree with you. I agree with you. All right. We're throwing it back to Vann to close this out of here, guys.

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Grogu is the baby with the most. And Dan was acting a little. old funny. And if we've learned anything on today's episode, don't give you boys, show me any money. Ruining my bag. What was it called? Return to Mandelor? The minds of Mandelor. I call it a mine. Return to Mandelaar. Return to us. I see the minds of M and I go. Going to the minds of Moria, guys. Yeah, let's go. What's the Mazzumoria? Lord of the Rings. We could pass the... of Moria.

My cousin, Berlin. I've seen it before, but I'm not on that shit like y'all on that shit, man. What do you mean? I've only seen the movies? I've seen like the extent of it.

I've seen each movie. I've seen each movie like a couple of times and I saw the end of Return of the King 17 times. Yeah, because they ended the movie 17 times.

So get the fuck out. He runs the shit and they got the fucking thing. Let's go. We've been in this bitch three hours. We don't need to be jumping on the bed. Great movie. Great movie.

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