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Episode Date: March 15, 2023

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And on Wednesday, the Midnight Boys will be giving you instant reactions to the latest episode of The Mandalorian, which is what we're about to do right now. Now, we're going to talk about the third episode of the third season of the Mandalorian. Lorien. Spoiler warning for almost everything in Star Wars. I don't care what you haven't seen. Okay? I don't have the ability to care. But we're going to play the spoiler warning anyway. Steve let it let it rip. We're getting ready to talk about Mando. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to get you in the know and give you the need to know.

On episode three, the third season, the Mandalorian, Charles is going to give you the Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take it away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the Mandalorian season three, Chapter 19, The Convert, directed by Lee Isaac Chung, written by Noah Clor and John Favreau. Dinn wakes up to see that Bo Catan saved him from drowning, and as Dinn collects evidence that he bathed in the living waters for the armor, Bo decides to keep it a secret that she saw the Minnesota.

Dinn and Bo are ambushed by imperial warlords, or at least that's what Bo thinks, and they destroy Bo's palace and Dint helps her escape to a remote planet or the Children of the Watch are stationed. When the armor hears that Dinn and Bo both bathe in the living waters, she welcomes them both into the clan. Meanwhile, on Corsin, Dr. Pershing makes an impassioned speech about his cloning work while he was still part of the empire, even though cloning has now been outlawed. As part of the New Republic's amnesty program, Pershing is being reintegrated into their society.

Soon, Pershing begins to chase at his new life and inability to continue his cloning research, which is now outlawed by the New Republic. After meeting Elia Kane, a communications officer who also worked with Moth Gideon, the two devise a plan to get him the science equipment he needs to continue his research. Pershing and Kane traveled to an imperial shipyard, which breaks the terms of his parole, but at episodes end, it's revealed that Kane set up Pershing who was arrested by New Republic officers. Pershing undergoes an updating, mind-playing process that he's scared will rob him of his memories

as Cain looks on at the process and smiles. And that has been your Midnight Manifest for Chapter 19 of the Man O'Orgy. Instant reactions. Wagon, give it up. Oh, this episode was an episode. It's technically an episode of television because they filmed it with scenes, dialogue, and everything. Yeah, you know, I don't want to say it was a vibe killer, but it was not a vibe setter either. I think I was really high on episode two.

I was plugged in. We got everything that I wanted from this. Deeper dive into Mandalorian culture. The plot moving forward. And I think to go off with Dr. Pershing, I get why you need to do it in the television show. It just felt a little bit like some of the momentum was zapped, especially because I love the beginning.

They're escaping Mandalore. That was so exciting. the end when they're when surprise surprise bocatan is now part of the children of the watch i was like what the fuck is going on this is dope the middle part i was like i know why you had to do it didn't need to be the third episode it was kind of my feeling i was i was locked in yeah i really enjoy talking about i really enjoyed this episode come on y'all are locked into a lot of stuff so no all right have some respect whoa have some chocolate Charles, are you parroting criticisms from message boards about your own midnight boys?

Wow. They're just going to change it again. Blah, blah, blah. I hate them. Fuck you. I'm calling it message boys. What do I look like? So, so, Joni, you liked it?

I liked it because, you know, we're used to Dan and Grogu being the, you know, the meat and the sandwich, right? you know, this episode, they were the bread. Literally, you know, the bookends, you know, and the meat was Dr. Pershing's adventures on Corrassan. And I think that, you know, we're overlooking some important things that happened in this episode that have huge implications on the Manilaire going forward. So that entire bread, I was interested,

because there's a lot of stuff that that could imply, you know, in those 45 minutes. I really enjoyed it. Follow question, Jomey. You said that Dr. Pershing is the meat. in this Mandalorian sandwich. Could you describe Dr. Persians' meat? Was it savory?

Was it sweet? How is the meat? Yo, we've, for whatever reason, we've stopped counting transgressions. That is a fucking gigantic transgressions. I think we're going to need to bring it back to that. That is a huge transgressions. What the hell?

That's a meat sandwich. What a meat sandwich? What? What a meat sandwich? It's a shit. Charles, my God. And it was so legitimate in the way that he framed it that it took my cobwebbed

a second to get it. It was so real. Charles is a master. Jesus Christ. Steve, instant reaction. Waiter, there's a little bit of undercooked Andor in my Mandalorian here. Do you think we could fix that? I need to...

Woo! I ordered a bit of Mandalorian here. No, no, no. This was good. I actually did kind of like this. It's jarring, for sure. I don't want to say that this was, like, as jarring as, say,

getting a entire Mandalorian episode in our book of Boba Fett, but it's a pretty huge detraction from what we've been getting so far. This felt like kind of laying down of intent that, like, oh, Mandalorian is now kind of just clone wars now.

to learn is going to be a bit bigger than what it is. It has a lot more things on its mind than just the adventures of din and grogou, which we might be fighting for a little bit longer, but I think that this is a pretty interesting little foray into Life on Corrosaunt, a little bit of maybe the Republic isn't as good as it says it is, or at least for the people that are reformed imperiales. I think it was pretty good. It's going to be odd to now just come back to the adventures of Dane and Grogu unless we have this now sort of intertwining plot line

but still pretty good, still pretty entertaining. I love doing the podcast with you guys because you guys give me such different perspectives. I'm slightly bummed out because when I finished the episode I was like, woo, another banger.

You think so? A banger, really? I thought so too. I thought so too. I was like A banger though. What? Yeah. A banger. I think it was good. So I'm not saying that you guys don't think it's good, but so for me, you have an amazing, first of all, it's a longer episode.

Much longer. It's a longer episode. So there's more in it, period. It's not like we didn't pick up. We've talked about the Dr. Pershing detour, right? But what we haven't really talked about is the fact that we get some really amazing. main storyline moments here. You get Dan getting back to the M5

to help out Boca Tan as the Thai fighters are on their asses. You get Boca Tan lying to him about having seen the Mithasaur. All of this stuff that obviously will talk about. And obviously the bookend of the episode, you get Boca Tan being essentially a family being adopted into the children of the watch. So to me, we did go back to Corrassant and we did set some things up.

But I do feel like in television shows and we watch a bunch of TV shows that are following lore all the time now, there has to be a little latitude sometimes with like what it is they're going to be able to do with their story. You know they're not just going to give you the entire, you know that they're going to take a break at some point. and pump the break just a little bit, it's always going to happen. We know that it's going to happen. The question for me sometimes is, how quality will that breather episode be?

And like how far away? Because sometimes we'd be in this stuff, you'd be watching The Walking Dead, and the zombies are at the door. And it's like, huh, huh, and then all of a sudden, the fucking next episode,

Carl's out in the field, walking with some girls, And you're like, yo, what, what the fuck is happening with what, you know what, go? You know what's going on. And you're like, you know, you know they got to take a little break. But if you're going to do that, give us something new that we can sink our teeth to. And they're all into and they almost started like a whole new sense of intrigue for me. Anybody got any responses to that long winded?

I didn't, I don't disagree. There were so many ideas from the doctor Pershing Corrassant that I was interested in. but I think I've been Andor-pilled a little bit where it kind of just got brushed past a little bit. Like when we realize that the New Republic is essentially has outlawed clones, I'm like, oh, no, that's interesting. I want to know more about that. Please tell me everything. I actually thought that the Dr. Pershing stuff moved too fast. In basically what, in 30 minutes, we went from learning that there's this amnesty program to essentially

him getting his mind flayed, there's so much interesting things to unpack because he was essentially doing the same job as what his face was doing, and Andor, wasn't he? Cyril. Cyril, which is basically like he's, it was like a Kafka-S

thing where he's in the basement, basically doing busy work, scraping data stuff, yeah. Data stuff. I was like, that's fascinating. I want to know everything about this. It just felt a little bit weird that it happened so fast. that we didn't get our time to really sink our teeth into what the New Republic actually

looks like, which it's Mando. It's not Andor. I have to get over that. Yeah. So gentle pushback time. Okay. I've decided that I'm going to be the king of gentle pushback. Because sometimes when I pushback. Gentle pushback. You have the most aggressive pushback I've ever seen. That's true. And it's not always great. New era. New era. New era. I would like to be known as old. Old Man Van G. P.K.

Gentle pushback king, okay? This is the new hairline talking. This is the new, well, it's not here yet. But when the hair, spiritually it's coming. When the new hairline comes, I won't push back at all. I'll look back in the mirror, be like, y'all motherfuckers stink, which I'll think, man.

Look at me. Look at me. I'm scared, though, really quick on this hairline thing. I feel like it's an opposite of Samson, where it's like if you get your hairline back, your takes get a little bit weaker. You're not as hot on the mic anymore. You just scared the shit out of me.

I have never considered that perhaps the lack of hairline or the retreating hairline makes me surly, and I need to be that. Now I'm rethinking it. I'm serious. I think you're honestly like LeBron. LeBron plays better when his hairline is a little fucked up. Let's be honest.

My hair is not that fucked up, okay? My shit. You know what? Let's get back to this. That was, Charles, see what I'm saying? See how Charles? Hey, Jomi, Jomey, you see what I'm talking about? To be fair, I use LeBron.

I use LeBron. I could have said KD. I could have said your hair looks like Katie. I didn't. See, me and Katie, Katie's hair line is fine. It's the back. See how Charles. Yeah, see how Charles baked shit in and you can't even tell he's doing it.

Okay, back to Andrew. So, the, and do it. Back to, um, back to Mando. So look, here's the thing. I received that criticism, but I do think that there were certain elements of the storytelling that allowed us to go a little bit faster here. And let me kind of tell you. We are able to get a sense of what the new republic is a little quicker because we're in contrast to the empire. And I think that there are a lot of specific storytelling details that they use.

It's incredibly bright. It's vibrant. It's different outwardly than how we saw Andor. It looks kind of how the original trilogy looked. Excuse me, not the sequel, the prequel trilogy looked. When you first looked at it and you were like, oh, my God, look at all the colors and Star Wars. Look at all the different things that are going on.

It looked at a more peaceful time. And they do that purposefully to let you know that. you are back. And then the closer they get to the empire, the more matted, dark, and ugly, the kind of, it kind of looks, right? And you, as far as the narrative that's happening, that moves fast, but you feel what's happening.

You feel him being sucked back into it. Even at the point where they introduce each other, they introduce themselves to one another, as their actual identities. They've sort of re-initiated. And there are a lot of scenes like that to me in there that allowed this particular story to be microwaved a little bit.

You know, when the biscuits show up outside of his door, like the little breadcrumbs that they leave throughout the episode of him re-enlisting it to his former job, I thought it was actually really well. done and it was done in a way that didn't take a lot of time when she says, hey, go touch the rock.

And he goes there and then he is stopped. These little things between their character, their characters that to me really showed how nefarious she is and also kind of opened up a brand new thread, a brand new storyline that I have to admit, I am very interested in. And I don't think that I thought that Dinn was going to ride the Mythosaur in this episode.

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I don't think that I thought it'd have been funny if at the beginning of the episode, Boca Tan went, I saw something, hold on. And she jumps right back into the water and all of a sudden she's fighting the myth. I didn't think that was going to happen in this episode.

I think that would be probably building up to something a little bit later. I'm interested, but I thought they did a good job of kind of of kind of popping a brace a little bit. That's all I said. You're acting like I'm saying this was a terrible episode of TV. I'm not. I'm just saying that like

the book end of this episode, the Mando Bokutan Grogu stuff is so fascinating to me that it was a little bit like oh shit, I just wish I got that episode. Because by the end when Bokutan essentially

is in the children of the watch, that actually was surprising to me. I was very much like, oh shit, okay. I didn't really see that coming. But I get you. I feel you. Yeah, this is why Kathleen Kennedy don't like y'all.

Who's y'all? Who's y'all? Who's y'all? I bet you, boy, that would be so funny if she didn't like black people. That would be so funny if she didn't like black people. If you like, you went to her house and it was like a poster, a Finn, and she was throwing dark. That bitch, like, why did I do that?

Anyway, I was about to say, John Brighiger probably don't like Kathleen Kennedy. Probably not. By the way, there's no, just before you guys get all pissed off, We're sure that Kathleen Kennedy is very nice. She's a legend. I'm sure she lost black folks. Please do not. Please just fucking relax.

It's midnight boys bullshit. How about this? How about I say something right now that's in the document and I'll see what you guys think about it? Had there not been and or the reactions to this episode by some midnight boys would have been different. No. I don't actually think so. I think it might have been worse. I think it might have been worse.

Jesus Christ. I think so. No, I think so. I don't know. I think I have more appreciates. now after Andor for seeing these parts of the galaxy where there's not Jedi, there's not Mandalorians, all of that stuff. I just think that this episode was difficult

because they're introducing so much stuff about the New Republic that is almost kind of yada, yada, yada. And I'm like, an amnesty program is fucking wild. I want to know everything because they were basically doing, this was the Nuremberg trials in Star Wars. And I'm like, I want to see that. Like, I want to see why you basically forgave the space Nazis. And if this has anything to do with the rise of the first order,

but because I know this is the Mandalorian, we're not going to get that. And I think actually what we didn't get was a little bit more interesting than what we did. See, I disagree, man. I know you disagree, okay? I'm not Mr. gentle pushback. I'm Mr. you know, a little more forceful pushback.

Tell me. Right. Hold on, hold on. Because FPK. forceful pushback King Jome Get him, Joan. Because the episode opens

and Din and Grogu and Bokaton are surrounded by Tyfighters and we don't know where these guys have come from.

We don't know what vessel they have generated from. They're just it turns into Top Gun Maverick you know

Splash 1, splash 2 you know Din dive into the N1, cool scene, all that. And nobody's like, hey, man, at least us, the four of us are like, man, where do those tie fighters come from? That's weird. Wait, no, they described where they came from.

Didn't Bokitan say something to the effect of, like, these are imperial, like, leftover imperial, like, warlords as she's been fucking with their shit? Yeah, to the end, she's like, oh, no, these aren't. There's too many of them to be in the brave warlords, right? And then we spend the mental chuck of the episode, right, with seemingly somebody who has connections to the old ways, to the old republic or the empire, right?

And so you're leaving with the question, yo, clearly these are connected. How are these connected? Right? This opens so many. Is it Thrawn? Is it Mof Gideon? Right?

Like, why did those Thai interceptors? come in attack bow and and Dean and Grogu. And then how does the Dr. Pershing's work and Kane getting him out to paint all tie in? Like how does this all come together?

Like that's what I was interesting to me. And so leaving the episode outside of the fact that like Bogotaun is like accidentally, you know, joined a new religion. Like outside of that, the, all that stuff was so interesting. Was so interesting.

I'm gonna be real. This is me. I'm going back to Mr. Gentle Pushback. Hey, everything you said, all the questions you raised were way more interesting

than what I saw for 30 minutes on the screen. And that's fine. It's fine. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. We're the midnight boys. Not the midnight cucks. Oh, my.

Now, where did you get that from? Where did you put that out of? Come on, man. What I'm saying? As I'm saying is, we don't always love everything that we see. We're not starting. are cucks.

Oh, can we move to the next question? That's fine. You guys don't want to see. I was agreeing with you. All right? I was agreeing with you. And you're just,

you're jumping on me because what you said earlier was inexcusable. It was inexcusable what you said earlier, Charles. And you know that. You do a good job of shifting the narrative. Okay, cool. All right. Okay, what do we think about the amnesty program? Like, we talked, we touched on it briefly.

I mean, look, the question of what happens to imperials from the New Republic, I'm starting to see kind of why the New Republic failed. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, you know, I'm starting to see why they failed. You know, it's like everybody comes to amnesty and this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm sure there are some imperials that, nah, dog, no, there's no something, nah. You've got to, we got to make. an example out of you.

You like the amnesty program, Steve. That kind of will be your way of dealing with things, right? It's of two ways about it. The New Republic seems to be kind of killing them with kindness a bit, where there's this like demeaning sort of parole officer type of situation that they get these masses in. Like the idea of having Pershing give that like shame TED talk. about him doing clone work

and then him's just ending up doing data work and them all in like basically public housing and making them kind of like just rationed and stale levels of their previous

existence like that to pre-imperials feels like an empire. That feels like something that they would want to fix and change. Wait, but Steve, really? they're giving these motherfuckers like three square meals a day putting them up in like housing.

Like I'm almost like the New Republic's being way too nice to these motherfuckers. When you're a scientist that lost his mom and just wants to like think that he's saving the world by making a better like cloning human organs just for the sake of medicine. And that's all taken away from you. That makes sense that you want to change that. You got to stop.

You got to play. Yeah. Come on, Steve. Steve, you got plate. Wait, no. Steve, I don't know what's gotten into you.

I don't know. This changes the way I look at you totally, bro. Yeah, bro. I don't know. First of all, I'm sure this guy

at one point wanted to just help, but that's not, at the end of the day, that's not what was happening. He was in some really, really shady shit. So he at least got a couple of years of a data entry

before we can start to think about like what was really going on and what was happening. And listen, I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to like be put away for his crimes or like to be held accountable for that. That's not, that's not what I'm saying. It's just the idea that he's kind of getting coerced

and indoctrinated into this like small little pocket of a resistance you could call it from pre-imperials. Because there's a lot of other people that are like, what do you miss about it? What do you? You love the movie American History Acts, don't you Steve? Steve, this is crazy, bro. Wow. It's crazy, bro.

For me, what I, well, I couldn't wrap my head around is, and, you know, this is to Van's point of why they failed. A, you know, okay, so they're doing this clearly like an operation paperclip type thing. You know, you get all the smart people from the empire. Hey, why would you put them all together like that? Thank you. Why would you like, you?

Like, weren't they all just trying to kill y'all like a couple years ago? Like, hey, man, that was crazy, huh? Remember the times? Like, it's like, the minute from Moff's Gideon ship, like, I'm not like, they're sitting around. I'm like, they're about to cook something up. Yeah. About to cook something up.

Like, you know what I'm saying? They about to cook something up. What's about to get cooked up? Stupid. Oh, bad. Wait, wouldn't they also, this is what I didn't get about their new Republic. They know all the ships and everybody that they were working for. Even if, like, let's say for money reasons, they're like,

we need to house them all in the same place. Y'all couldn't tell me you couldn't put Moth Gatheed only one person from Mofgadian ship in this place. I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't even care about that. Like, they're just decommissioning shit. That's the thing, though. It's like shitty oversight. They're just decommissioning like technology and ships and imperial shit that they're just like,

well, if it's part of the empire, burn it, get rid of it. And then Pershing's argument, it's like, no, no, no. This science, this medicine, this, like all of these things, they could still be put to good use. Well, this is actually, I mean, they're a fledgling sort of nation group, right? so they don't really understand how to govern just yet. And a lot of these mistakes, I think, are intentional for us to see them. For example, when we meet some of the people who are fawning over him after he gives his TED talk, those people have enjoyed the same status in life, whether it was the Empire, the Rebels, or the New Republic.

So there hasn't been as much of a cultural change in some of it. parts of this new society as you would think that there would be. Yeah, they're just like, oh, it's a new flag, it's a new government, it's a new whatever, like that's all it is. Yeah, which means that there's a certain

laissez-faire attitude that might be there. And the New Republic knows one thing that might stop them from being the best that they could be. They know they're not as bad as the empire.

And that is a pathway to doing all kinds of fucked up shit and taking it. If you think somebody can have it worse than you, a lot of times you never strive to give them the best parts of you. If you know that, hey, I took you in off the street. So what? We eating spam every night. You could be eating dirt. Happens all the time. You know what I mean?

And so in that situation, hey, we're going to put this thing on your mind. but it's pleasant as compared to what the empire should do. And he's like, nah, I know what this is. He's like, nah, it's pleasant. I'm telling you, I had it done to me, and it was great. No, all it takes is one turn and a dollar and you're back to the empire. So they, it's, but see, look, look at how we're talking about this. This was more interesting.

We're talking about it's like we're talking about Andor right now. Charles, in your mouth, Charles. I will say that the thing that I wanted them to get into more, is that, like, they're not pulling this out of nowhere. This is obviously, like, after World War II, it wasn't like all the Nazis just disappeared. There were many scientists who went to work for other countries. And that's what I think was the interesting thing,

where Dr. Pershing is like, hey, just because I'm not working for the empire anymore, doesn't mean that my science is any less valuable. It could be valuable to y'all. And the thing that I think Obi-Wan briefly touched upon is what's happened to how we conceive of the clones. Does this society now look at the entire cloning project as one of the worst mistakes in history? Do they look at the clones themselves as second-class citizens? Like, why? Because it doesn't seem equal.

The wealthy people are like, they're looking at Dr. Prushing. like, damn, this sounds great. You get like, what do you need? Let's get you back there. While the government is like, absolutely not. We are never doing that again. And that's what I wanted them to delve into. Because the cloning program, how old is it at this point now?

Like 30, 40 years? Yeah, so it's still, most of these people still remember. They're still clones alive. Sure. We saw them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I just, I'm so interesting.

I'm still interested in what the society thinks of not only the project, but them. I'd imagine that cloning, at least now, is still that much of like a political quagmire that they wouldn't want to even come near it. Like, it's like the iron's too hot. Like, there's still no way to like easily sell to the people that in any way cloning, the thing that led us to all out war and like near mass extinction is going to be a good idea if we drip feed it into the ideas of the annals of medicine and science. You have to remember how far removed cloning is from their consciousness, though. Because, you know, so Palpatine

used clones, right? And then he stopped. And so a lot of cloning is probably something, I mean, if we're talking about the cloned army, it's probably something that hadn't been considered on a societal level

for a while because those guys were replaced by raised enlisted soldiers that weren't clones. Palpatine wanted to stop using clones. So they stopped using clones. So the utility of a clone hasn't been something that they've talked about for a while. You know what I mean? I don't think. And so probably the clones are probably a drag on society in some sort of way. And to that end,

Dr. Pershing is probably someone who is reviving something that's saying, hey, cloning can be used not just for creating soldiers, but I wanted to use it for creating all of it. this other stuff, but ethically, like he said, there are all kinds of reasons why people might be a little leery of including clones in this type of situation. But look, look,

I dug it. I also dug the introduction of a new villain. Eulia Kane. Well, reintroduction. I mean, she was, but what I mean is as, okay, she's an episode before. What I mean is

as sort of, of a main villain here doing villainous shit and being a very adept double agent, who's she working for? What is she doing? What's her plan, Charles? What's going on? Charles, let's continue to talk about the meat of the sandwich. Okay?

What is she doing, Chuck? Damn, I immediately thought because there's not a throwaway line, but back when all of the ex-imperial officers are talking, they're all talking about what happened to Moth Gideon. Like, is he still captured? Was he mine flayed? Whatever. And I think also them, to your guys' earlier point,

all those tie fighters, where did they come from? Part of me is like, is she still working for Mof Gideon? Is she potentially working for Thrawn? I think that the reason that they needed to get rid of Dr. Pershing is because he wanted to use his cloning stuff for the New Republic. And if you're Mof Gideon or if you're Throne, they're like, nah, we can't have the New Republic having all these powerful clones. We need to get him out of here.

So I think her big, like, long con, the reason that she put the mind flare up so high to erase his memory is just like he's one of the last, They probably have new scientists. They're like, we don't need this scientist in the hands of our enemy. Interesting. Jummy. Yeah, I could see that. I think, you know, wasn't really to get rid of him per se, but was to get his data, you know, so then I started from scratch, right?

He's already done the work, you know, let's say, like 50%, you know, you'd rather have that work from 50 to get to 100% than to start from zero. So they enlisted Kane and be like, hey, you know, that's something. as it was, get this boy some biscuits. You know, God. Like, he got biscuits and folded. That's crazy. That nigga folded over some biscuits. Some real mob shit.

Wait, can we, can we also be real? Those biscuits ain't look that great. Like, I was just like, you've been institutionalized, my man. Like, it's like, come on. Isn't that like an English biscuit? Like a tin lasso? Yeah. Because like when, when you hear like,

Tariq Nashid and all the rest of the people, have you guys heard the butter biscuits thing? on Twitter? No. No. So when they're talking about black people who sold out, it's just one of the funniest things in the world, bro. I'm sorry.

Like, look, you can go and you can see it for yourself. It's sometimes wrapped up in toxic ways, and sometimes it's used to bully people, but I don't give a fuck. It's hilarious. When they're talking about black people that sold out, they always say that they're eating masters' butter biscuits. Oh, my gosh.

And they'll give them biscuit. And it'll be a picture of a biscuit. And it'll be like, hmm, butter biscuits. And so I'm watching this, right? And they use biscuits to get, like to get him. And I burst into laughter. And like three o'clock in the morning.

She's like, what? I'm like, this dude just fold it for masses of butter biscuits. I was like, I was like, literally it's the scene where he walks out of his house. And they put the biscuits. In front of his door, if you listen to this, it's going to be much funny when you see it. Just go on Twitter and put in masses butter biscuits. And just see all the people that they have accused of eating these biscuits.

I'm sure I'm on there. We just go look at all the people that they have cues of eating masses butter biscuits. It's hysterical. You folded over the biscuits. Let me ask you this. When they turn up the thing on his mind, his mind is totally wiped. He loses all of the expertise that he has in science.

This is what I want to know. Is it possible that he could remember? remember how he needs to do what he does, but just be reprogrammed in a way? I'm of two minds of this. So this is what I thought you're like, I think in the best case scenario, it's like severe torture for him.

He'll never forget it. He'll be like his mind will be fine. Like he'll retain his memories, but he'll be severely emotionally and psychologically damaged. I thought that Kane's idea was to be like, no, you see what they're actually doing to us? You see what they're actually like, this would be radicalizing him in a different way to be like, no, you're not supposed to be looking to help the republic.

The empire wouldn't do this to somebody like us. You come with us. You keep working with us. This is like a way of like indoctrinating him in to what this secret new imperial way is supposed to be. Which obviously wouldn't work if he didn't remember who the fuck she was. Right. So it would be a catch-22.

Like if the most severe thing that could happen in a mindflare, which I don't know what that is, if you completely die or lose your mind or are just a complete, you know, jellyfish at that point, then, okay, her plan can go off without a hitch. She can remain a double agent for either the Republic or this new empire. I mean, in the beginning of the episode, she also did say, and I don't know if she was lying,

that there is basically like a group of us that is trying to help the new republic. even if they don't know that they need the help yet. So part of me was like, was she lying? Or is there like actually a group here that to your point, Steve, is like they need to get Dr. Pershing to be a little bit more malleable to their cause? Yeah. And honestly, it wasn't the fact that she turned up the dial.

It's the fact that she ate the biscuit that made me think that it was, she was more wanting to radicalize him because I don't think she would, I don't think a real, like, Republic allegiance would want to eat that biscuit. The biscuit is The biscuit is communion. The biscuit is like, yeah, the biscuit is symbolic of you surrendering to a belief system

that's overarching, right? So the biscuit is, Bible boys, back at it, Chuck. The biscuit is communion, right? The biscuit is an offering that you eat, and that means you're still an imperial. Like, they're asking, what did you miss about it, right? What did you?

I miss the biscuits. I miss masses but of biscuits. and then you eat the biscuit and you don't even realize that you're opting back into something. Let me, can I have a, it's crazy moment real quick? Go for it.

Am I stupid for thinking that like, they want the cloning guy so he can figure out how to bring Palpatine back to life? That's exactly what is. That's the outstanding theory now. No, for real. What?

Charles. Charles is so mad. No. No. You have to fit these, you have to fit, these Legos together.

No, you just like, you blew my mind in the worst way because I'm just like, if that's true, bro, you're like taking a shit on my, the most delicious

cupcake ever, bro. Do not put that in there. That's really what it is, though. That's what it is. Stop. Somehow and somehow

Papua 15 return could be this. This is like the beginnings of the first order. Like, that's what we're looking at right here. Unfortunately,

I don't know how to tell you, they only have 30 years to work with in between Return of the Jedi and the first sequel movie Charles is crestfallen right now I'm so mad because it makes all the

sense in the world and I'm like no this would be keep this away from that movie at all fucking cost please oh like what if Thrawn started the first order right you wanted to be that you wanted to be that thing starts the first order

yeah I wish they go I'm just saying I looked at him as like he's cloning somehow Palpatine came back to life Poe doesn't know Yeah Oh doesn't know This is nasty work

You know what was That was the scene at the end Where he's getting mind flayed It's not funny But there's a bit where He's, you know yelling at the You know

At Kane He's like no She was there She was there No And he goes It's a trap And the Mon Colomari

Who is like Doing the procedure Looks at him all crazy I thought that was a fun little throwback to, you know, Adamor Akbar. That's when he looked at him so confused. He was like, what are you talking about, bro? And it was just like,

I see what you did there. Really quick, before we get to Bocahattan, another thing, the New Republic's dumb as shit because they're parole officers. I'm like, why would you put this robot who obviously does not know what the fuck is going on? The minute he asked the question where he's just like, does helping the New Republic supersede everything? I'm like, if you had any other parole, if you had a

other parole officer, they'd be like, dog, he's up to this. This droid isn't even as good as a lie detector. Yeah. You, you go, like, okay, man, like, again, this is where we, we, we talk about the new Republic failings. Why are you having these people go to robot therapy? Like, what, like, how is that more of like a robot parole officer? Well, I mean, still, like, hey, man, you good, yeah.

Is everything right with your crib? Yeah. Is work good? Yeah. All right, man, I'll see you next week. Like, that doesn't help nobody. Clearly, he's going through something. Like, a human would have been like, because he, like, he does the ear thing. He touches his ear every time he feels some type of way. A human being would have been like, hey, man, you seem a little different. Is everything all right, man? You have some biscuits earlier today or something? Like, you know, he would have sussed it out. Like a robot not going to help. You robot going to, it's like a, like a, like a, you know, you pick up the phone, you get a call. Hey, man, dial one for English.

Able Spanish dos. And then, like, now, you got to like go through the robot and that's not going to help you. You got to talk to human men. The last thing I want to get into is that I love in Star Wars is the biggest Star Wars bullshit where what technology do they have and don't they have? Because per of example, I'm like, y'all don't put ankle monitors on the space Nazis? Like what are we doing here? This seems weird.

Same thing in the minds of Mandelor, they're like, we need proof. And he just gets the water. I'm like, y'all don't got like iPhones? She analyzed the water though. Yeah, she tests the pH of the pool. At least I'm like, there's droids. Y'all can't just film it and be like, damn, he was on Mandelor. You got to do a whole ritual?

Well, you know that you can do the hologram thing, but I don't know. It would have been funny if that would have been a hilarious scene. She just FaceTime's in. If Dan would have been like, okay, both put it right here. All right. No, you have a grog who hold the camera. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey.

Hey, need lights. Need lights. Armourer is laying down her and Pass Vizla. They're wrapped up together. Like, it's like, we tap in. We don't know what's going on her and Pass Vizzla laid down together. And it's like, hey, hey, look. This is me right there.

And the rest, this is hilarious. And the rest of the children of the watch are down in the comments. Like, fake, BS, fake, CAP. CGI. Like, you ain't really. there. You ain't really there. Seriously.

Hashtag dumb. I hope he fucking sinks. I never liked it. John Morant stream. Right. He's like, okay, look. Seriously,

buy a badge and I'll fucking jump in to the, that he gets in there. Whatever. It's like, oh, what you're doing there? Oh, shit.

It looks like I see Boca Tan. I knew they was fucking. All right. Do you think Boca tan, like John Moran was going to, like, flash the little dark saber? Be like, I was a little dark saber.

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He's like, I don't really know. It's a bad. Hmm, okay. He's an idiot. Yeah, he is. Like, why are you, like, the second time you asked me that, I'm like, why? Din, this hasn't been a great season for Dinn in terms of like.

not at all he's kind of useless a little bit it's like she asked him nah didn't see anything you didn't see anything a lot down there why are you asking me that did you see something did you see something I just know like on the way back just like I cannot believe not only like this is my birthright this is everything I'm supposed to have but this and this freak this jobbrony out here with the dark saber didn't even see the myth of the middle so like what am I doing she's got to be sick but my question also

is, does Dinn just think that he sank? Like, I'm just like, Dyn, you know how to swim. Something pulled you under. Was he not going to ask like, hey, like, when you were saving me, did you see anything under there that pulled me under? Like, what's happening? I think it all happened so fast for him. Did something pull him under?

Yeah, I thought the, I thought the Minnesota did. I don't know. If something pulled him, did he say he failed. He said it was deeper than he thought it was. I was, I wasn't even sure. sure in the last episode of something pulled him under if he just sank. He would have helped that pulled him under, right?

He dropped like a stone. He dropped like a stone. He definitely got pulled under. But he knows how to swim. Like if he knows how to swim, then something would have had to pull him under. Like knock him unconscious or something. Yeah.

Why didn't she tell him? Like, what's the reason not to say? Hey, I saw the Mythsaur. Oh, she's trying to come up. Yeah. She knows what it is. It's ops time right now. You know, you can't feed your enemy

the information, right? Hey, man, not only do you have the Dark Sabre, but the alleged beast of myth of our land has never been seen before, but he chose to make his first appearance in front of you. That gives you a lot of credence,

and she can't really have them out like that. You know what I mean? Like, that's not where she's about. So is she going to go back and then try to tame the Mythosaur? And then in that way, she has a legit challenge to him having the Dark Saber? I think it's more of like this is going to be her way.

Like she won't take her helmet off in front of everybody else. She'll walk the way of the Mandalore. She'll try to get people back on planet. She'll be like, hey, yo, you see this Mithosaur? Boom. I'm your leader. Boom. Say it again.

How's it going to go? Steve. No, no, no, no, no. That's not how you said it. Steve, tell us about, yeah, boom, that's a new thing. Steve's boom moment. And boom, I'm your leader. I love that shit.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about. The boom moment with Steve. I love that. Charles, you're about to say? So my question two is, do we think that Boca Tan now thinks that she obviously needs subjects? Since her other Mandalorians piece the fuck out,

is she plotting now being like, hey, not only do I know about the Mithosaur, but also. I have all of these religious whack jobs. Maybe I, like, they're, they're not religious whack jobs? They are. You've been coming hard at religion lately. People've been getting at you on different podcasts.

I just want to let you know, it's okay to believe, you know. Fuck out of here. What? Said for no reason. Go ahead. Go ahead, Charles. I'm sorry. No, I was just like, I was wondering, like, does Boca tan see the children of the watch

as potentially her new followers. Is she's like, this is how I get back at all the Mandalorians turn their back on me. The Dark Sabre is within my reach. Is she like, is this her new, I'm the new crime crime boss family now, like head of the family?

I like that. I think she could easily, you know, Paa's Vizzler's an idiot. So she could be like, hey man, when I was down there, I saw the Mythosaur, man. It was crazy, bro. What?

No way you lying. And, bro, you saw it was in the minds of Mandelor. What's to tell you? I didn't see the Mithosaur. And then, you know, it just takes one person, two people. And all of a sudden, Din, the armor are looking around like, uh, was, I thought we was gang. I thought it was cool. And it's like, no, pose in charge because, you know, she saw the Mythosaur, even though

the Mythesor, you know, pulled Den down originally. So, I mean, she could lie or way into some power. So, Jomey, do you think Paz Vizla and. and Bo are going to team up because we know Paz hates Dinn. He's like, fuck this motherfucker. Do we think he's just like, damn, you know what? It is time for some new leadership. And if I can fuck over Dinn on the way to it, bet.

Exactly. And, I mean, I've hated Klan Vizsla from the jump. You know, I'm a Klan Vizsla hater, like, number one, op, like those are, you know what I'm saying. If there are no Klan Vizal haters alive, that means I've died, you understand what I'm saying. So, yeah, bro, from the jump, dog, pre-Visla is a, you know, a bum. What about Tarvisla, though? He was cool.

He's the man. He's the man. Everybody after that been cheeks. Couldn't keep his house in order. Is it a little bit like succession almost where you just like all the kids, he's just like, not really serious? It's more like the, the, what are the, I already forgot the name, the Targaryens, right? You had one that came along that was dope.

And then most of the other ones have had some problems. You know, a little iffy. A little iffy. But it's like that most monarchies. By the time the French got to, by time the French got their guy fucked up because he was a kid, he was fucking incompetent. The people were like, nah, man, no, 14 years old. He don't know what the fuck he's doing.

Like, getting there, cut his motherfucking head off. They're sick of it. Because it's such a gamble to go by that because you never know when you're going to get just a fucking moron. And that plus the fact that they're all sleeping with one another. and their gene pool is just facts. So I mean, I don't know if that's true or not. I have a question for you, Otto.

What does Boca Tan want? Like, seriously, so let's think about what happens in this episode in terms of Boca Tan. Number one, the castle where she was sulking, this is a reset episode for Boca Tan. All right? She helps, she's got the, she's got the Mithosaur information in the tuck, the T-U-C-K-K-K. She's not telling anybody about the myth disorder. She should know what she wants to do yet, but she knows she doesn't want anybody to know.

High speed chase, Thai interceptors. Woo! All of this stuff happens. Her castle gets blown up. She has no home. Okay? The castle's been blown to shreds. It's like not just her castle is where she's lived for a while.

She's no place to soak. So Boca Tan must do something now. No place to live. She has no people. She gets a new people. Like, in all of this, that's happened, some of this stuff is happening to her. Some of this stuff is happening for her.

And some of this stuff she's making decisions in. She made the decision not to tell about the Mythosaur. She didn't make any decision to join the children of the watch. They said, hey, you're down. You know what I mean? At that moment, she could have took her helmet off and was like, nope, I don't want to do it, but she didn't. So what at this point does Bo Katan want?

I'm not certain. So does Bocatan almost give you like a Deneres Targaryen vibe where in those beginning seasons, she's not necessarily sure if she wants to lead. And then as she progresses, it's like, no, this is my destiny. I'm the only one who can do this. And through it, we're seeing Bocatan almost, she's basically inherited a bunch of leadership roles, even though she's bad at it. And I'm starting to think that she believes

that only she can bring Mandelor back. She is the rightful ruler. And with children, I think the children of the watch are just the latest example of her potentially just inheriting followers and being like, all right, I now have what I need to lead, even though,

traditionally speaking, it does not end well for her. As the armorer has said, like, yeah, when Bokton leads, it tends to fuck shit up. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. She, again, with the birthright, having the Dark Sabre, her, you know, being the only one to see the Mythosaur. She's, she felt like, yeah, man, this is me.

I'm supposed to be on top of this thing. It was written in stone. You know, it hasn't worked out yet. I don't know why I would now, you know? So good on Bogotaun, though. She's staying positive. Good for her. And this is my last nitpick.

My last nitpick. Is Bogotan feeling a little flippy floppy? in these initial episodes because it's like, we already talked about it. If she truly wanted to get the Dark Saber, or she could have even just let Dinn drown. She did not have to save Dyn.

Why is she like acting like a villain and then saving him and then going back? I'm starting to be confused about if ruling Mandelaura is so important to you, why do you keep saving Dinn over and over again if he's the exact thing that's standing in your way? There's going to be competing sort of ideals here. One is ruling Mandelor, which is an ideal in and of itself that comes more from self.

One is the health of the Mandalorian society, the Mandalorian diaspora, the unification of the Mandalorian people. The question is, who cares about that? Because it doesn't seem right now that there's very much left to rule. The people that follow her are small and number and don't really have shit. You know what I mean? The planet's fucked up. So the question is like, what is the vision of Mandelor that's going to end with a ruler that can bring some glory and a return of the Mandalorian people? Is Boketam thinking about that?

Do we know whether or not she's thinking about that? Or is she just a petulant child of I didn't get my, I didn't get my way out and have my turn? Or does she want redemption? But what people think is her bringing on the night of a thousand tears? You know what I mean? Does she want redemption for that? Does she want to prove because she got the Dark Sabre in an illicit way?

Does she want redemption? Like what is, I think that's going to be a central sort of question asked. and hopefully answered in the next couple of episodes is what is Boca Tan actually after? Because it seems like right now whatever happens to Dan is accidental. You know what I mean?

It's like everything that happens to him is accidental. He accidentally fights Moth Gideon who happens to have the Dark Sabre and now the Dark Sabres is his. You know what I mean? Like most of the, we talked about this,

most of the decisions that he's made have been directly related to Grogo. So I don't even know if he cares. about that's really what it is he doesn't care you know and for beau she's seen what like you know mandolorean versus mandolian is done to her people right like it's not really where you can't just like get rid of den you know where does it stop you know and she's been through the mandolian civil war you know she's seen what happens you know in a rebel's clan versus clan like that's like that stuff will you know destroy a population you know

But for right now, play it cool, play it safe, wait for your moment. You know, she could have been like, hey, man, I'm not really with the children to watch, take her helmet off. Ultimately, she has no rest of her because the house got bombed. Right. So she keeps it on. She's like, yeah, mingo, chill here, we go. See how I can get this thing done. I think she's just planning close to the chest right now.

And, like, murdering Dien would, you know, put a, you know, I don't say put a big targeter back, but, like, let people know, hey, she's not really to be trusted. I don't think she's smarter than that right now. So my last question for y'all would be, is this the Mandalorian? And what I mean by that is, the first two seasons were driven by Din wanting to find Grogu's home.

If we count the, like, find his people, get him back to his people. If we count the Boba Fett two episodes and we count these three, I'm not so sure what Dyn's role in the Mandalorian is. I'm not so sure what Dinn wants anymore. And I'm starting to wonder, like, is that a problem? Because he's taken such a backseat in his own show

that has me just a little bit worried. I'm just like, are you depowering and delegitimizing Dinn because you haven't figured out what he's driving force now that he does have Grogoo? I think it's a question of destiny. Right? Like, can you choose your own destiny? or is it laid out there for you?

And for Dinn, is his destiny to be the Mandalorian? Is he supposed to be the guy who reunites Manelor? Clearly, he doesn't want that. Clearly, he just wants to be a dad, you know, and be a nice little father and take his son on little adventures on bounty hunting and be cool and teach him the ways of the mannol or whatnot. But the way we're seeing it with the Myth of Sorb with the Dark Saber, life is like, hey, buddy, you have a higher calling.

Yeah. Now, do you choose to accept it? Or do you keep it pushing and, you know, double it passes to the next person? Right. That's the question, ultimately, I feel like this season of the Mandalorian is asking, is Dinn going to step up and become the Mandalorian? Is D then a stepfather or is he a father that stepped up? I love that.

Ask an important question. And with that. I'm not a stepfather. I'm a father that stepped up. Crazy. All right, Star Wars fatigue. We have to talk about it a little bit. Nerd News Minute.

Give me the goddamn. All right, according to Samba TV data and the rap, the Mandalorian season three premiere numbers weren't as strong as they could have been. The episode outpaced the premieres of Star Wars, the spinoffs, Star Wars, God damn it. The episode outpaced, the premieres of Andor by nearly 50%, but were behind Loki and Obi-Wan by double-digits,

trailing by 35% and 28% respectively. Meanwhile, the Book of Boba fit barely edged out the Mandalorian by 2%. So wow, Boba had a bigger premiere. Loki had a bigger premiere. Obi-Wan had a bigger premiere. Now, to be clear, this is, we don't know how accurate this is. Obviously, Disney Plus does not give out their streaming numbers.

So I just want to couch that in like, we're not saying these are the actual numbers. It's just to gauge the conversation of just like, to your point, do we think that season three is bigger, is as big in the culture as the first two seasons? Okay, so let's look at a couple of things. Both Obi-Wan and Boba-Fet were legacy Star Wars characters that people had been waiting to see on their own for a long time. Yeah.

Okay. For a long, long time. Also, the return of hating Christensen, like Darth Vader, there was a lot. I would not have expected the Mandalorian season three premiere to have beat out us revisiting Obi-Wan Canobi in his own story. on screen for the first time. The Bobafet one, Loki is different. That's the MCU.

That's crazy. Once again, it's a character that we have been with for 10 years, maybe longer at that time, maybe 12, you know? Also, MCU TV was still riding

pretty high. Like, it was only like Wanda Vision. Was that the third? Third, yeah. It was WandaVision Falcon Winter Soldier than Loki. Yeah. Yeah.

You guys don't remember how much everyone was on Falcon and Winter Soldier. you act like everybody hated it. It's fine. I'm over it. I hate it. Shut your mouth. But the book of Obafet, the Land of the Lord in season three, I think it does have a very special place,

but I don't think that the talk of the Star Wars fatigue can be dismissed outright, as Vision said in Civil War. You know, we can't just dismiss it. I'm sure there's some sort of fatigue. And to be honest with you, the more normal something gets, the easier it is to dismiss.

You know, and we didn't have a ton of these shows before. Now we're sort of getting used to them. I think it's a huge. I think it's huge. Don't get me wrong. But I don't know. What do you guys think? Well, I was also thinking, do we think that the Mandalorian season three has become a little

less friendly to a casual viewer of Star Wars? And what I mean by that is like, if you remember the first season especially, and even the second season, it was very much like one and done episodes, villain of the week, hopping to planet by planet, Dan and Grogu being the guys. And by the end of season two, obviously with Luke returning, and even with the book of Bobothan episodes, it becomes something different. Asoka, Asoka, Luke, potentially Thrawn, all of these other people are now in it. And if I'm someone who just started watching the Mandalorian because of Grogu, I would be a little bit like, this is a little bit too much for me in terms of like the lore of it all, following it all.

Not saying that that makes it a worse show. Just if you're not locked into Star Wars, some of the stuff that's happening, you might be like, what the fuck? Like, why is Grogu back? How did he get back? Why are we on Mandalore? What's happening?

I could see that happening to people. I think people might not have, you know, they say the Boba Fett numbers are pretty good. Kind of feel like after the first couple episodes, people might have fallen off, you know. And so coming back to like, oh, the Mandalorian, I don't know, I didn't watch Book of Boba Fett, whatever, you know. And then it just, you know, didn't follow through, you know.

Ultimate, I don't think it's the biggest deal as Van does, you know. Like, I think, you know, when it's all of sudden done, the Mandalorian will still be like, you know, people still be like, hey, season three. was great. Had a good time. And, you know, it would be fine. But I'm not too bugged about it.

I just think, you know, people might not have, like, to book a bullf had as much as they wanted to. So when Manloor came, but they're like, ah, let me, uh, I can push back on this. I think maybe it's a tiny bit of the bigger conversation around, you know, the MCU's been around long enough to where if a new movie comes around to a more casual viewer, they're like, well, I haven't seen the last 20 more MCU shows or movies or

what have you. Do I need to see this? Can I absorb it? If you come to Mandalorian season three, you've been in the cart for a minute for us with Star Wars TV. And I think maybe to a bit more of a non-IP, non-legacy or franchise-esque type of viewing experience, they're like, okay, well, we've seen a lot of it, but like, am I going to be missing out if I don't see every Star Wars TV show now? not to say that this is the entirety of all of that or that the Mandalorian is failing or falling off a cliff or anything, but we're getting into that cultural landscape now

where you kind of got to see a lot to see even season three. I mean, even the last of us, they just announced House of Dragon viewerships. And what that says to me is also, are we in a landscape of viewers that season one, shiny new thing,

House of the Dragon is a continuation where that's not me shitting on House of the Dragon. It's just like, I think it's way easier to ride with something for one or two seasons versus like being on season three. I mean, it depends. It depends on whether or not you think that seeing something else or seeing more as a prerequisite

for what you're about to enjoy is required. I doubt that'll be the case with House of the Dragon. I think people would stay on for that because we've been starting with Ground One and there's going to be little supplemental material outside of that. So there's something else that we have to remember here. People will get tired of all of this.

I mean, sure. It will happen, right? It will happen. You know, everything, everything everywhere all at once is essentially a superhero movie that Marvel would never make for myriad reasons, right? Older woman as your, your protagonist jokes in there that don't fly for kids, all kinds of stuff, right? but it's insanely, even though the Daniels started writing it a long time ago, it's insanely fucking reminiscent of a lot of the fare that we're getting, right?

But people just are maybe sick of the shine. It feels a little bloated. And I think that we're starting to see some of these production companies react to that, slowing it down a little bit. Maybe they thought maybe flooding the block was the right sales strategy and they're realizing now that people might want it to come a little slower and more deliberate. I think that'll be good for them. You know, the real question will be like what happens when Osoka comes out?

Like when the, like when the Soka drops, like how well it does and all of that stuff. But I think we're doing it. Like I'm in my watching or don't era. I'll be watching it. But also there's too much. Like, if you think about it, there's Succession, there's Ted Lasso,

Yellow Jackets, Mandalorian, the New Donald Glover show. Am I missing anything? All this shit is happening at the same fucking time. What are people going to watch all this? Tighten up, baby.

Lock in. Hey, we're there for you. You got to lock in, Charles? What you mean? Ringer.com. What a great website? Hey, I'm gonna watch this shit.

Do y'all think your average viewer viewer is like, they don't have the time to keep up with them? Got a pick and choose. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes you just got to, fuck it.

Watch what you want to watch. But just don't just, you know. But always tune into the Midnight Boys. Yeah. It don't matter. We'll start covering different shit. Like, we'll, like, I'm serious. Like, if the neuroculture stuff stop, man,

we'll be on this bitch recapping cricket matches. Midnight Boys on Bridgetton. Yeah, we'll do. I don't know. The Barber. The bear comes back in June, I think. We'll do the bear. We'll do, we'll do, I watch this documentary about this mother and her two kids on Netflix.

We'll do that shit on this motherfucker. We don't give a fuck. Midnight Boys, Dahmer. Wait, is the sequel to the Midnight Boys going to be when we finally become Midnight Men? Nah, we'll probably never be Midnight Men. If that was going to happen, it was going to happen for me a long time ago. The only young motherfucker is Jomi, really. Like, I'm in my 40s, y'all, y'all, y'all 30s.

Jomi, like the only super young motherfucker is Jomey. Jomi, what are you? 16, 17 now? I am 26. Your knees don't even crack. Come on. He's not even that young. Jomey is at the point in the NBA where people start asking, is he going to win a championship?

26, 27, 28. He's not even that young. You know, I'm saying? I'm up on that five years. You know what I'm saying? The max deal. And they're asking like, hey, man, you're making all this money. Where to rings are?

Where to playoff victory is that? Where the followers that, Jomi, save Jomi's job might be, we have to ship Jomey out sooner or later if you don't. Got to trade me for assets. Hey, he has to cheat. Hey, we're like, hey, we'll package Kai, Kerm. I was just about to say, right. I was just about to say, we just got a new draft pick who's 3 and D. He just had a good rookie season.

Kai is the rookie of the year. Kai is the rookie at a year. Kyle on your ass, man. Kai texted me a couple of days ago. Kai was like, you think, you know, if the Midnight Boys were going to think I can slide in there. That's a lie. That's a lie.

Man, can you stop? Stop starting shit, bro. Stop starting shit. You try to instigate. You try to instigate. Tampering. This is tampering. Kai did not do that.

Guy is somewhere right now playing the last of us part too. Honestly, Jomey's probably CP3. Jomey, you're CP3. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's so nuts. They say 2014 no more. That's so nuts.

That's not even close to being true. All right. That is a wrap. Follow us on socials, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomies job. This Friday and every Friday, the House of Ar is going to give you their deep dive on the latest episode of the Mandalorian. They have been really, really good as they always are. I implore you guys to go listen to Malin Joe. And on Wednesdays, the Midnight Boys will be giving you their instant reactions like we did today on the latest episode of The Mandalorian.

Our producer is Steve, the tinkerer, Almond. Steve Armand Joy, the builder and tinker of things. Jami, the explainer, Denoran, the aggressive pushback king. Hashtag chomi Forksful Pushback King. You love it. You just guessed that one. That was great. It was great.

Additional production from Arjuna Ramgapal. Charles, take us out. Episode three of the Mandalorian was a little meh, but Jomey and Steve can never be beat. And if there's one thing, we can always assure you on the Midnight Boys. We always love the moon. Bih!

No, don't wait. Hold on. Hold on. Who doing? Hold on. What robot in history would have made a good parole officer? in the empire. Oh, what's his face? How?

How from, uh, how would have called every, terrible. Oh my God. Hell and I was like, you want to, can't do that, Dave. What?

Like, no, you can't. Like, no, like, no, no way,

bro. Wait, what are you talking about? You know who would have got you right? Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime would got you right. Optimus Prime?

Optimus Prime would be a good parole officer, bro. No, he wouldn't. Optimus Prime needs a parole officer. What do you talk about? He's getting into more fights than anybody. But who's the right reasons, though? Sure. For the right reasons, though.

You know what I mean? Or you could have Megatron as a parole officer. It's not really about. Soundwave as a parole officer. To encourage you to do crime. I'm trying to think who else? What other? What about the nigger from I robot?

He was kind of bitch. Sonny was kind of crazy. He was kind of awesome. Honestly, Wally, because Wally would be so cute. Like, you would just be like, damn, like, why am I living a life of crime? B2 Emo is your parole officer. It's not going to work because B2 emo is like, you know, is it's not, kick him over. Is your home okay?

Right. Oh, I miss my guy. Week three on Troy Talk. I miss my guy. I love, look, I've converted. I'm the world. foremost believer in droid rights now. Droid rights now.

Really, I think they could do a whole show just about the droid rebellion. Droid for Andor, droids of Andor. I like that. Just the droid rebellion. But the droids rebel against everyone. Because remember, if there's one thing that the droids have in common with a certain group

here in America is it doesn't matter who's in charge, the droids are definitely going to get treated like shit. Oh, they're fine. No matter what. Like, it doesn't matter who's in charge, right? You know, the joids are going to get treated like shit. I think even Luke and his crew a little dismissive to Joyce, like, Han Solo is a droid racist.

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