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Episode Date: March 22, 2023

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Our Mando coverage is a full effect this Friday, and every Friday, the House of R is going to give you their deep dive into the second episode of Manda. What? Did you... What? It's not the second episode of Mandalorian season three, is it?

It's fourth. Four. Leave this. Steve has not changed the document, and I am wrong, Burgundy. I will read anything that's on the document. They're going to give you their deep dive into the fourth episode of Mandalorian season three.

Leave it just like that. And on Wednesdays, the Midnight Boards will be giving you our instant reactions to the latest episode of the Mandalorian. On today's show, we're going to begin with our instant reactions on the fourth episode, and I have to let you guys know

that we're going to be spoiling everything. Star Wars, Clone Wars, Star Wars, Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars, trials, tales of the... Jedi, Star Wars Visions, the Darth Vader comic book,

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all the Thrawn novels, Yuzon Vaugh, everything. It's all spoiled. The Solo Twins all of it. All of it. All of it. All of it. The Star Wars resistance. It's all being,

spoil. Okay. Rolls for the order. We're getting ready to talk about Mando. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Before we can talk about what happened, we have to make sure you know what happened. And the only way we can do that is to have Charles Holmes put you in the know with the Midnight Manifest.

All right. And this is your Midnight Manifest for the Mandalorian Season 3, Chapter 20, The Foundling, directed by Carl Weathers, written by Jean-Foevro and Dave Filoni. Din introduces Grogu to his first sparring lesson with another young Vandalion, and after some coaching from his dad, Grogu best the youngling in their dart challenge.

But the victory is short-lived, as the youngling is captured by Skyrafter. Bokatan has Visla go on a rescue mission, leaving Grogu behind with the armor. As the armor prepares a new piece of equipment for Grobu, he has flashbacks to 466 and being rescued from the Jedi Temple by Kellerman Beck.

The president, Din Bo and Paz find the raptor's nest, and Paz finally admits that the rescuing son. A sky battle ensues with Dan rescuing Bisla Jr. When they return, the armor commends Boe for successfully leading the missing, and as the armor replaces one of Bo's shoulder pads, Boe reveals that she saw a real Mithosaur. And this has been your Midnight Manifest for the Mandalorian season three. Instant reactions to episode four, the founding.

Chuck, take us away. I mean, I loved it. I think this is the core of what I adore about the Mandalorian, which is essentially like a dad teaching his son new shit. Wait, you're looking at me crazy, Ben. Didn't expect you to like it. Wait, why not? This is everything I want from the Mandalorian.

Just didn't think that this would be enough storycraft for Charles. Go ahead, though. I'm glad I loved it. Didn't expect you to like it, though. Didn't expect you to like it. I think that we've actually gotten so much lore in the first three episodes just in terms of like, Mandelor or the Living Waters,

whatever is happening with the rise of the first order. It was nice to be back with Dinn and Grogu, just seeing what is going on with them and seeing how, one of my favorite moments of this entire run of this season is Boketan having to talk to Grogu and basically be like, hey man nigga my dad was the same way like that shit I was cracking up

I love this episode awesome I love that I loved that you loved it because I loved it too I thought it was a great episode I thought it pushed the plot forward we learned a little bit more about Grogu we got some Mandalorian adventures

and Steve didn't like it Steve take it away I did like it actually I just didn't know it feels like a lot of the season feels just a tad lopsided when it comes to time spent wise. At least with the

previous episode we had like a gentleman's hours worth of story that was seemingly not really coming together with this. This was a good return to form. We're back to basics. A great Mandalorian adventure. Learning more about Grogu and Din being a terrible dad, questionable. But I'm curious as to where the pacing of this whole season is going to shake out. Because a lot of story that we're getting

in episodes prior seems to be front-loaded and now we seem to be back to basics. Am I crazy? I don't think Steve is crazy though in terms of like we're halfway through this season. This is... Right. And we just got a half hour left. Exactly. And I'm kind of just, I'm only a tiny bit

unsure about what we're actually doing here. Because that last episode threw me off as to some sort of bigger picture where we're now back to Mandalorian Basic on this episode. I love how Steve asked a question before we got a chance to hear what. what Jomey thought of the episode.

That's okay. It's okay. It's all right. No, I mean, I think Steve was, you know, been pacing questions aside. I think this episode was awesome. I thought it was great. You know, we see Dinn and Grogu and Bo, you know.

It's not like, it's like we've trying to find Grogu a mom for like three seasons now. And I think Bo is the closest we've come. She's like, yeah, man, she puts the darts on them. She's like, hey, my pops is the same way, man. you go ahead and do this, I believe. And then she's looking at them like, you ain't never taught them how to,

you shoot darts, my boy? Are you good? And then we go, we see what happened to Grogu in Order 66. We see the entire story. Then we go back to... Hold on, let's stay there for a second. Because the most important thing about that was the mother fucking vindication.

of an actor. The vindication. I would like to take this opportunity right now to shout out an amazing performer a much maligned piece of Star Wars history and legend

Ahmad Best. A badass martial artist who would kick the ass of any of the people who talk shit about him who was a lot of, to come back and be a heroic Jedi. This is the type of stuff that I love.

A lot of people got pissed off at Jar Jar Binks. Can't say that I love Jar Binks the first time I saw it, but I thought Jar Jarl Jard Binks was cool overall. Stop lying, bro. I do. Don't make me play. Don't make me play it. Even if you don't like Jar Binks,

what happened to Amat best was fucking disgusting. And I am overjoyed. overjoyed that he got to be the heroic Jedi that he was in this episode. Jumby continued. 100%. 100%. And so with that and then going back to saving Ragnar, Visla, you know, y'all know Vizelah are ops, but it was still cool.

And then at the end, with Bo talked to the armorer about seeing an actual Mithosaur, I think we're on a track to find out. like I keep saying, who is the Mandalorian? Like, what does that mean? Who are we talking about? And so I really enjoyed this episode because it's getting closer and closer than that. Plus, we got a bit of Chekhov's chest armor for Grogu.

So I'll be interested to see where that goes. I really like this episode. I think it sets up a lot. I mean, I guess you could be worried about these four episodes. I mean, this episode was only, what, 32 minutes? It's a shorter one. It's a shorter one. You could be wondering like, all right, there's a lot going on.

But I think there's such a question, the only question that's all my mind is, hey, who is the man, who's going to unite these group of people? And I think they're on their way so far. So I'm going to do something real quick. I haven't done it in a while. I'm going to tell a dad's story, right? Oh, okay. So in the 90s, we moved to the country.

You know, dad had had enough of his kids, dodging bullets in South Baner. So we moved to Zachary, Louisiana, and we moved to 60 acres of land that was in my mom's family that we had to purchase, even still, because Paul drives a hard bargain. But we didn't know where we were going to live at first. There were a couple different places that we were considering going because we wanted to be able to put our horses up. We wanted to be able to have a lot of land to move around. My dad wanted to re-sort of connect with the country life. So there was this one place that we were going to move and it was across the Mississippi River

near where my father grew up in Marengwood but not on the same land and he grew up in. And I remember he loved it. It had everything he wanted. It had a lake. It had space for the barn. It even had some sugar cane out in the back because a lot of times a lot of the land over in Marengu,

the sugar cane land. But there was a problem. There was a bear on the land. Like they have in Marenguant, to Louisiana back black bear. And so we would look and try to see when the bear was going to be there, right? He would hang around.

He was a cute small bear. I saw him, but it's a black bear. You know, they can get kind of whatever. You know what my dad said? He said, we won't move there because they're dangerous creatures that can actually attack when you're there. It's dangerous to the horses

and to the dogs and stuff like that. My father should be a Mandalorian. Yes. I don't fucking understand why the Mandalorians are living on the island of a thousand beasts. At getting wrecked every day. They getting fucked up by monsters.

Monster flew in. Even Kalika was like, oh, my God. But wasn't there another alligator monster that was in the water? Which, by the way, is in every day. is in every fucking body of water because there's another alligator monster in a different lake, okay?

It's like, what's going on? It's like, these guys are the most badass warriors and they are getting their asses kicked by National Geographic week in and week out. This entire episode was about the fact that a hyper-prinicious bird stole a child. No, not the first child, another child.

Another child. Another child. This is another. This happened before. It's happened before and it's killed a child before. We see his little helmet. It's tough. It's fucking nuts.

The fact that they were running their gun club on the same beach that they just got attacked on with a giant other crocodile. It's baffling. So they definitely in the Savage lands, right? Like they've chosen to stay there. I think the thought process is we're Banderloreans. We can defend ourselves. better than most people. Most people come here and try to get us.

They're going to die. The little raptor bird and the alligator monster will get them. Us, we probably fare better. Nobody's going to come up here and mess with all these animals. They're oh and two. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. We're always sitting there on the side here. But why?

They're going a lot, probably. No, because they lost the first time against the bird. That's a loss. Yeah. The alligator. And this time, right? It's 0.1. Wait, so then my question is,

do you, like, are the Mandalorians starting to look a little goofy? And what I mean by that is, like, these are supposed to be the toughest bounty hunters ever. And for this entire season, they've just been getting wrecked. Din has been getting wrecked. Fucking the children are the watch of it, getting wrecked.

Bocahont is the only one out here. I'm like, all right, she knows what she's doing. Are they purposefully depowering the Mandaloreans? season. Interesting. I think they're soft. You know, like,

see, Bo was forged during wartimes, man. She was locked in for the jump. She was a, I mean,

she was a terrorist. Let's not forget that. And then she fought, you know, the siege of Mandalor, the Mandalorian Civil War. Like, she's been forged in battle.

These guys, they've been running for their lives ever since the siege. You know what I mean? Like, they haven't been outside. Like, she'd been outside.

side, you know what I would say? They're these dangers and that the Mandalorians who seemed like these emotionalists androids of fighting, bounty hunting, and ass kicking are actually people without a nation who are searching for their identity.

And I think making them a little bit more vulnerable might be part of humanizing them. You guys think, what do you guys? So going off that, I have a question because I do agree that they're trying to humanize the Now, we see in this episode how like Bo Catan gets to eat by the fire, but they all have to go off and eat on their own. If this is Paz's son, do the children of the watch fuck with the helmets on or off? Got to be on.

I'm being serious. Gotta be on. I'm guessing it's on. So is his, like, is his, is Mrs. Visla also there? Or is this just like a regular person? Like, what's happened? So then, so, okay. So let's play this.

out, this is where I'm, we're already in the land of problematic. How is it problematic? Yeah, you know, it's a transgression. It's weird. It's weird. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. It's fine.

It's fine. We've suspended you. It's a transgression. But let's think about it. Basically, if you're a Mandalorian, it's all body. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. It's all body.

Okay. Right? Because it's like, you don't know. Right? And then you really don't know because you probably put the helmet on as a kid and you, the people's faces change. So it's all body. So really when you think about it,

the reason why their suits probably look, the reason why their suits probably looks so fly, the reason why Boca Tans might be a little more form fitting is because you got to show it off. Because I'm serious because it's all by you. I see how you, I see how you arrived at that conclusion. I'm saying it's all by,

so think about it. You're treating it like this is like a National Geographic documentary where like butterflies look as a tracts. as they can be on the exterior to like attract mates. That's what you're saying. It's something like that. Has Vizl got all the drip? He got the fucking machinery. You got everything. You don't think he's trying to show off.

Which is great to bring a machine gun. Great to bring a machine gun to a thing that you said that you wouldn't bring guns to because you can't shoot it. But bring your machine gun in. You never take the ice off, Steve. Come on. Yeah. What are you talking about? Now we know that the gun isn't even really the gut. It's really decoration. That's probably why when Mando got the best guard, he was like,

oh shit. So I was hating. He's like, oh, when Mando got the best scar, because face it, he looks better than all the rest of the Mendo was. Oh, yeah. They look rough. They look rough. It looks like broken here.

Like, he came back like, oh, my God, I thought to have a hell. The hell. Anyway. By the way, that's an interesting conversation. It's like, you know, they never take the helmet off. They all, they all, what's just sad bastards? They all go to a different place to eat. you're not going to see a whole family of Mandalians

and like TGI Fridays because they, like, you know what I'm saying? Because they can't eat in front of each other. That's so crazy, bro. There's no Mandalorian Thanksgiving. No. You know?

It's really sad to think about, like, the camaraderie there is simply from fighting and, you know, doing war things. Just know, like, hey, man, remember that time when we went,

we had that lunch, man? Or we went, we went hang out, and we was just chilling. Nah, bro, like they, their simple focus is, you know, being the best warriors they can be,

which doesn't leave room for, you know, inter, like serious interpersonal relationships. And I think that's a problem. I don't know. Bo, Bo seems to be cozying up to the, to the Jaron family. She seems to be laying some groundwork, some track, I feel like.

Yeah, I think she's, Bo is, uh, because obviously the name of the episode is the foundling, and there are two finalings in the episode. Actually, well, obviously Grogu is the following but in a way Boca Tan is also the foundling. So, you know,

they're doing the two things. She's, she's learning, she's learning the way. It's special. Wait, so do you guys think to the, before you go, is this like a John Snow DeNaris thing between Dinn and Bo, you think? I don't think so. You don't think so? When you say,

like, oh, you're not talking about you're not talking about family or nothing. You're talking about the fact that they're getting a little, a spicy, Dicey. No, but not only that, if you think about, what you might call it, Boca Tan, you know, ruler, displaced, wants the throne, Ben, he's just like he got, he, he's the rightful ruler, but he doesn't fucking want it. There seems to be maybe a little bit of connection.

I think so. It's kind of the same thing. You know what I mean? It's like, she's the one who's seen the beast, the mythical beast that hasn't been around in ages, just like Deneas with the dragon. I mean, I don't know if it's just, I mean, we all got Game of Thrones on the brain. By the way, I heard some people say that they don't like the fact that we talk about Game of Thrones so much whenever we're talking about the Mandalorian and Star Wars and stuff. Why?

Apt comparisons. People say that. Jomi knows. Jomi saw it. I saw the exact same thing. Yeah, they say they don't like that same thing. Niggas don't like a lot of shit. How about motherfuckers just like calm down, right?

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because it's amazing what they can do with the puppet of Grogu. You see so much sadness. You see so much trauma. You realize that this is really one of the worst days of his life. I just thought it was beautifully done. But it left me with this lingering question of what was it about that moment

that made Grogu remember? Is it something that the armor is doing? Is he lonely? Is it the clinking of the metal? What is it about that moment that he has this really really severe PTSD moment looking back to Order 66?

I saw it kind of as there were a couple of visual metaphors going on when the armor's like kind of explaining to Grogu what parts of of like the philosophy of building your armor and yourself from scraps of others and from little tiny pieces of things that are broken that you re-forge and make for yourself. Like he's kind of thinking, you can see him thinking and pondering that.

And as what I love to see is when, as she's like the giant like anvil presses is like pressing and slamming down, it's almost as if it is crushing Grogu in the shot. Like it is like slamming on top of him. and he's like thinking and looking sad and like agitated and stressed. And that's what's making him think back to this time because it is yours. You're right. Like it is probably the worst and most traumatic part of his life that he can remember because he was the most scared.

He was the most broken. He was the most lost in that moment. And thinking back to everything that he's been through with Dinn and this now found family, like he's kind of reforging all of that. So thinking back, that's a pretty good way to. see what his actual origin is. She starts off by talking about, you know, the medals and how you have to continue.

You have to continue to beat it. You have to, you know, smelt it. You have to, you know, basically destroy it in order to create something. And one of the quotes, she says, is we refine ourselves through trials and adversity, right? And so the only way Grogu is going to be able to grow as a founding and become a Mandalorian

is by looking back and getting over his past. And he hasn't done that yet. And in that moment, he, like, thinks back to what happened during Order 66. And, you know, for us, it's our first time. And we're like, oh, my gosh, like, how did he get out of there? But for him, it's, you know,

clearly one of the worst moments of his life as something he has to get past in order to truly, you know, open himself up and become, you know, a real Mandalorian. Does Grogu want to be a mandolian? That's going to be a great question. I love that question. I got the sense in this

episode he was just as conflicted as when he was with Luke in terms of there's definite like conflicting philosophies because we see that the Mandalorian philosophy is through strength and like trial and tribulation through adversity and

like muscling through it. Whereas the Jedi wave from something that he's probably been, you know, taught since birth is through reflection and introspection and peace and pacificity in some way. It is kind of the antithesis of the Mandalorian

way, a lot of the ways of the Jedi. You could argue. Let's face it. No one is really putting forth a very appealing option for Grogou in his life. Yeah, true. The Jedi are

scattered bunch of monks who are run around telling you to leave your family. And the Mandalorians don't take their helmets off. They get attacked by beasts night and day. They eat alone.

There doesn't seem to be very many trees on their planet from what I can see. Alligators everywhere. There's not a real good option for Grogel here who really is starting to ask the question of what the hell's going on in my life? You know what I mean? Like, what's, what's

What's happening? You know, he's 50. He's having that early midlife crisis. Early midlife crisis. And it hasn't been good for Grogu. Everywhere, first of all, it really looked like these guys had a specific bloodlust for Grogu.

I understand the manner in which order 66 was carried out, right? But there are waves of attackers that are desperate to kill Grogu here. Wait, so that's what you thought as well? Because I was wondering. very, it felt specific to me. I mean, I'm, I guess that they had to kill all the Jedi. Yeah, I know that they had to kill all the Jedi. And knowing that one escaped the temple would probably mean that they, but like, it was rousing the whole, that entire time.

Am I wrong? No, I, I agree. Like, at first, like, four Jedi attack at them, like, they had an escape plan for him. You know, I think for it, for me, like, we know Yaddle, we know Yoda. We don't really see much of GroGry, who's race, right? So maybe they're very, very, very rare, very, very endangered.

You know, you got to keep them safe. And powerful. Exactly. Exactly. He's got the high M counts. You got to keep them safe no matter what. And so when Order 66 went down, they said, hey, get our guys, not their best guys, clearly. Because they went out sad.

But, you know, he definitely had way more protection than a lot of other foundlings did. What was going on with the Jedi? That's what I wanted to know, because I'm just like, y'all motherfuckers are getting, like, down by, like, a couple blasts. Like, what are we? What's happening? They got clapped.

I'm sorry, bro. Stuff. They got clapped. I was expecting to see Skywalker, man. I really was because, look, I can make an argument that we're nerding out right now, but fuck it. Right. Like, like, I could make an argument that a lot of the other Jedi got. taken by surprise.

And that's the reason why it was so easy to have killed them. And they sent Skywalker to the temple because they knew that they were going to need a fucking ultra Jedi to kill all of these Jedi.

I didn't see no motherfucking Skywalker or Vader. What I saw was a bunch of troopers doting niggas up like it was call a duty in bitch. Jesus Christ.

I mean, that's what I saw. And I'm like, for real? I mean, we've had this conversation before about like the scalability of like just how good some Jedi's are. And like we may have just been used to seeing the Uber powerful Jedi's in most of the canonical Star Wars stories that we've been told. Like, there's not always going to be Skywalker's that we deal with. There was like three or four Jedi against a bunch of clone troopers.

I'm sorry. What the fuck. up. They sold. They sold. Wait. It was bad. Let's call it what it is, man.

That's true. You know, look, look, you know, and it's, and you know, I didn't see one motherfucker to get pushed. Push somebody. Push somebody. Push it. Push the first guy. Push him into his crew.

And just see what happens. I know, you know, you're blocking it. Yeah, block it. Push somebody, man. Make something fall on somebody's head. You know what I'm saying? They ain't got no booby traps. A whole temple, no booby traps.

Like literally, like nothing, I'm just being for real. I understand. So you as the Jedi Temple Security Advisor would come in, be like, listen, if we're prone to attack, what do we actually need to fit this organization out with? Man, obviously Stark got the start, the Avengers compound got hit by Thanos, and that was tough, right?

Yeah. It was tough. However, they did have like protocols. I bet you it would be harder. I bet you it would be harder to break in and kill the Avengers in the Avengers compound than it would be to get inside the Jedi tip. Oh, for sure. For sure.

Well, they took about surprise. They wouldn't have seen it come. Last thing on this, do we maybe want to just give them the benefit of the doubt? Are these like city boy Jedi? You know what I'm saying? They really, like, these are the people who are going to university. They're studying. maybe they aren't like maybe they've been in the library there's a reason they're at the temple right and not out of the streets well there's something to be said about that because these are the clone wars are happening right yeah true so maybe okay well look those aren't wartime Jedi look how we fucking that's the jacosta new and all the motherfucking librarians

they got actually look and look and there's somebody right now that goes i can't believe they just came to that obviously all the the the warrior Jedi were out fighting blah blah blah blah they got clapped Okay, it actually makes sense. We talked to ourselves. Hey, we got through it. Now, we're back on Corrassan. We see, I'm our best. And for guys who don't know, we didn't explain it, maybe All My Best is the actor who portrayed Jar Jar Binks.

People were fucking incredibly nasty to him. And not just nasty, racist. Let's call it what it is. Racist from the portrayal of Jar Jha Binks, which everyone fucking hated. In real time, we should say. And since then, Ahmaud Best has been somebody who's gone on to do a lot of great work and is a great guy. And when I tell you, he's a friend of a friend of a friend of an actor, a brilliant actor and writer named Jay Lee, who's on a show called The Orville.

And so I know a little bit about kind of Amad Best and what Amid Best has been doing and all of that stuff. And it was amazing to see him as Jedi Kellerman Beck. he saved Grogu. Who is he? Do we know anything about him? So here's the thing about Kellenberg Beck, my guy. Kalloran Beck

was a character created for Star Wars Jedi Temple Challenge. I hate this movie. And he was betrayed by About Best, of course. And, you know, it's just a little show, you know,

a little thing for the children. And they were like, hey, why don't you come back and rescue the most important thing in Star Wars right now? You know, his nickname, this is awesome, guys.

His nickname was the sabered hand. Right? The man had it. Man had a bag on him. And he saw it on display when he saved Groker from all those clone troopers. What a guy.

The brand's energy is disgusting, though. I was just like, I saw him on screen. I'm like, oh, this is dope. And then I typed his name in. I'm like, wait, this motherfucker was the guy from the game show? I'm like, damn. It was really like, yeah, we need to pump these Disney plus numbers up. Like, relax.

Don't worry about it. Why y'all hating? Y'all doing it again, Tom. I'm not hating. Who's hating? Who's hating? I, for one, enjoyed that the fact that Grogu was saved by a very brave black man. Hey, listen, in our predictions, I said it was going to be Mace Windu,

and he got saved by. by waistmendu. So, like, I kind of think, you know, it's kind of correct. You know what I mean? Like, you should get half a tally for that. He got saved by race mendo. Oh, man.

They kept a black. They got to be. We're not going to give you Mace Windoo. We're going to give you race Mendoo. Came in that bitch with two lightsabers, getting it popping. He was in his bag, man. He was in his bag.

It was cool to see. It was cool to see. All right, Boca 10. Boca 10. Bokatan, first of all, I want to address something real quick. There are people on Twitter that were saying to me that Bokatan didn't lie to Dengaran about the Mithosaur, and I guess you guys are technically right.

She didn't lie. Man, well, she didn't lie to technically. But let me tell you guys something right now. So let's you know you haven't been in very many long-term relationships. Well, that's what I was. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Like, hold on hold on. Okay, all right. If your girl has lunch with her ex-boyfriend and she just doesn't tell you about it, you guys are acting like, that's okay. It's a goddamn lie. It's something that you would have told unless you were feeling in a way about it.

Now, maybe Bo Katan didn't think that she actually saw the Mythosaur, or maybe she has Mythosaur plans, whatever. But let's face it. I saw a big fucking bull in the wall, is normally something that happens. Whatever. She told the armorer, though.

She didn't tell Din. I was very surprised by that. Was that the only one? I was not surprised by that. Bose been an idiot for most of this season anyway. And if he was to say anything about it, he would probably not be even really sure what that is. I think the armorer kind of looks at it in a bit more of a tempered way

because she's also skeptical because if I told you, I saw a mythosaur, she'd be like, well, that's a very lucky vision to have. That's a good thing. Well, no, what if it was a real thing? And there's a couple more times that she doubts her. And that's a more important sort of temperament to have because effectively, the armor is the leader here. Effectively, she wants to kind of get a sort of cosine or at least a sort of counsel from the

next highest ranking Mandalorian in this clan and she wanted to see how that person would respond to something like this that's a probably good play on her because if she were to ever think about taking

back these people or to lead some sort of, you know, Mandalorian sect ever again, she would want to know the best way to do that and I think that's the right person to have that conversation with. That's a long way to say the armor is a player hater. Like it's getting I mean, yeah.

That was such a funny bit, though, where she's like, yeah, man, I saw the Mithosaur. She was like, wow, you had to be, she had your dreams, got to be real special. No, no, no, not, I'm a dreams. Smoking some good shit there. Yeah, yeah, cool.

Sure. Do you know? I was a little surprised that the, that the, that the, uh, the armor didn't seem to take the siding of the Mithosaur more seriously. You know, it seems like the armor, It seemed like the armor would be the person

to be like, Mythesore. You saw the Mythesore? And I was like, huh. She was kind of just like, oh, well, you was high. I was curious because I feel like that's one of two things because we could see sort of things like this

in like religious skepticism where people who kind of want to discredit things like of their own faith sometimes to kind of like hold on to vestiges of power to think that they have an upper hand in certain things because I feel like the armor also is holding onto this community

pretty tightly and is known that her responsibility to this is a bit more tenement to the idea of what what sort of either threat or sort of shift in power that Bo Catan might realize because she knows who Bo is like she knows that she was hungry

for power. She knows that she was leading the watch and all that stuff. So like there might be two games to play here. Like that in herring... You think the armor is jealous of Bocahant? Maybe not jealous, but like maybe she doesn't outright disbelieve, Beau, but she doesn't want to let her know that.

Yeah, I thought it was a, I read it as a power play. I've read this whole season, because this isn't the first time. When Dan is like, there's living waters, it wasn't like the armorer was just like, welcome back.

This is great news. I, like, awesome. She was just like, all right, well, you're in the clan now and you're in the clan now. Well, that's after, that's after she could prove it, mind you.

Like, she tests the pH, and then it's like, okay, nobody can deny this. There's no way that you can say that this isn't the living waters. Great. You say you saw a Mithosaur? That's all hearsay. You can't prove that. There's no way we're going back to Mandelaar. There's no way that we're getting any sort of like video or whatever from this thing to actually prove that. So if you, but like the armor could believe that. If you actually think that you saw that, that's a possibility. I think the armor is smart enough to know that. Do you know what I read it as? Oh, Jomey, before I go, you got something, brother? I don't want to. No, no, no. I mean, for me, it's, I think it's part of the bigger story. And so from last episode, we know that, you know, there are people after Bo, like imperial, like real imperial, you know, warships were afterbo.

Like something is coming, right? And I think all of that, whether it's for Grogu, whether it's for the Mandalorians, they all have to consolidate. They're all going to have to work together. They have to work together under somebody, whether it's din, whether it's the armor, whether it's bow. Right. So at some point, push has got to come to shove. And one of them's got to be like, hey, I'm in charge here. Din has the Dark Saber.

Bo has seen the Mithosaur. The armorer is the leader of that covert group of Mandalians on that planet. At some point, either they come together and start working together, or one person is like, hey, guys, you got to follow me to lead to protect our people. And I'm very interested to see how this chess game continues to play out. I'm not going to call a succession, right? Because that's insane, you know. But trying to find out who's going to be at the top when it's all said and done.

I am so interested in seeing how that's going to play out. As am I, I will say this. I think part of what the armor might be going through right now is a little survivor's trauma. Think about it. Mandelor did. That makes all of the customs that they have even more important. So it's important for you never to remove your helmet because there is no way for you to be redeemed. If there was a way for you to be redeemed, then maybe removing the helmet is more of a nuisance than an essential thing to stay in a Mandalorian.

Remember, it's those bonds that keep the group together. It's those bonds that keep the group safe. So if you know that there's a way for you to be redeemed by Creed, then remember, moving your helmet becomes less of a big deal. If you know that Mandelor is potentially viable as a planet

that might cause enough dissension for people to try to go to Mandelor and see what's up, which weakens their group as well. So a part of her belief might be actual belief that that world is dead

so that she can focus on building a new one. So when you have somebody like that that's in a leadership position, right? We've seen this in other stories. It's like, hey, I want to take two people and go explore this. I'm telling you there's something there.

And they always say, no, we can't do it. As an audience, we know that whatever we need to look for is at this place, right? But the leader of the group has to say you can't leave and go because if you leave and go, you made the group weaker. And then our hero always decides to go anyway.

way, right? The armorer is that person that has to adhere to sort of what the new customs that they have in Mandalorian and the children of the watch faith are because she's trying to keep them together. So maybe the armorer is lying. Maybe the armorer doesn't believe in the mythosaur. Maybe she can't believe in the mythosar because believing in the mythosor means they have to do something completely different than what it is that they're doing now, you know? Mithosaur. A big aquatic bull. Mithesore breathed underwater.

It seems like it, right? I mean, I would imagine that he did. Really quick, we didn't talk about it much. Do you think that that Dinn wanted to set up the Vizla Jr.? Do you think it was like a basketball dad thing where he's like, yo, fuck, fuck Klan Vizla.

Yo, my son is going to eat him for lunch. Or do you think he was just trying to train group? I think he was doing something that my dad did to me when my dad made me fight Frank in 1990. I didn't want to fight Frank. I'm not going to bullshit. Wait, how old were you? I was 10.

Damn. I was 10. And we were playing basketball. And I had said something about Frank. And I was like, damn, that's Frank. This is the most pussy time in my whole life. And I never went out like this before. I never went out like this again in life.

And never before. But Frank was a couple of years older. And I remember we're on the basketball court. I'm like, God damn, that's him. And then he didn't really, he heard that I was talking shit, but he didn't recognize me. So he goes, I'm still looking for that, that nigger, what was his name, Vince?

Van, what's your name? And I remember I went, I'm van. He threw the ball at me and we got busy. After we got busy for a little while I left, left and went back home. My dad was like, what's wrong with you? I was like, I got in the fight on the basketball court. He was like, oh, for real.

He was like, did you lick him? I'm like, uh-uh, not at all. He's like, all, let's go back. So we went back. Oh, man. We started to lock back on him. We went back. Frank's dad was out there.

He knew my dad. They worked together. Didn't even know that. Hey, Terry? Hey, how you doing? Hey, these boys got some business. Oh, okay, cool. They're hanging out.

Me and Frank fighting. Going at it. Literally fought till we respected each other. Like, fought till we respected. We were exhausted. And I remember, I remember Frank's dad being like, God damn, Terry. Look, your boy is like the more he cried, the matter he gets. Look at him.

You know what I mean? We win, we went. We went. Frank became a homeboy after that. But I just, when I saw that, I was like, God damn, he just made him fight Frank. I didn't get no three dots, though. I got dotted up. Frank put someone on a nina ass.

This explains so much about why you are the way you are. Oh, and two. This is a lot. Yeah. Frank put it on. And I was just grabbing and pushing and doing the whole nine. He was like 13. Wait.

Yeah, you were fighting a 13-year-old? He would go through puberty and shit. Yeah, he was like 13. Frank, what's the killer worth? I was in elementary school. Oh, Jesus. Coming home, what you would expect my dad to take me to go get some ice cream or something like that? He was like, all right, now take the lawnmour and go out there and, like, hit that patch of grass.

Oh, Jesus. us. Light them up. Light them up. But yeah, then made, then kind of, he punked the Visler kid

kind of easy, man. The Visler kid did not have a good episode. This is a Vizel. That and got taken off by a fucking Teradacta. Yeah, the visitors, the visitors down. Man,

the Vizzler is like the bus family. They had like one good member. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If that. Yeah. The Vizzler is like, they're not really.

doing that well. Here's the thing you want to know what adds insult to injury. So he knows, like, yo, Paz Vizla is talking shit about Dinn in the household. He's like, yo, Mando ain't shit. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck his little alien kid. I hate him. So when Dint saves the kid at the end, it's kind of like, dad, not only did you not save me, but the guy you've been talking about shit for like months and months had to do the job for you. I'd be looking at my dad different. I'm looking at them different to. Clan Vizla just took all the L's. Those dishes will not

be clean when he comes home. Lost to Grogu. Lost to the flying bat of the land of a thousand beasts. And then lost because Dinn was the one who figured it out. And Boca Tan was the leader of the

war party. Damn. Paz Vizsla is nothing. He couldn't stop like Pat LaBra. Paz Zisla sucks, Doc. Pass Vizs Zusla is the Falcon of the Mandalorian. He has had zero wins.

He lost to to Dinn in straight up combat. He fucking was getting destroyed by Crocodile Dundee of the Savage Lands. Okay? Dinn had to save him. Past Vizzler's nothing without Den.

I get some divorced dad energy out of Pass Vizzle. It's not great. Who's that kid's mom? Not around. Oh, she's out of pressure. What if it's Sabine? It's been dead 30 years. What if it's, what if it's, what if it's, what if it's Sabine, bro?

Oh, man. But it would be like Sabine, you know. That's the armor. What do you know? Somehow, Sabine came back. Somehow. That's not, that's nobody. No.

Bro, some, bro, nobody's ever, nigga, what? Nigga, they, they literally brought the most feared villain of all time back by just saying one line. Sometime, anybody can come back, bro. No, Sabin. I trust. I trust Sabine Wren. Right? I trust Sabine Renn.

She's not shacking him and no Klan Vizler. Anybody could come back. Somehow, fucking Darth Plague's the wise came back. Jesus. Sometimes,

somehow Kwaikang Jin came back. Old ass fucking... I got one question, though. Who do we think is going to stab Grogoo in the chest? He is taking a blaster rifle or something. He's taking a blaster boat or a lightsaber to the chest. I'll never forgive that show if it does it.

It's going to do. I mean, why would they do? Why would they, hey man, here you go. Here's a little chess piece. Just in case you never know what could happen. Winkley. Because he'll become a real Mandalorian and then like he'll rip his shirt off in like a battle cry. And then he'll just go to business.

Can I ask a serious question about this? Is Grogel? Is Grogo too cute now? Seriously. Whenever Grogo is in danger, I am so fucking on edge. and so angry at anybody that approaches or attacks. Like the plaza kid, when the fucking things swooped in, I was like, good for you.

You try to embarrass Grogu. You know what I mean? Like Grogu is so cute that it's distracting in a way. I'm not nitpicking. I'm saying I don't want to see Grogu in any danger. I don't want to see Grogu get kidnapped. I don't want to see anybody be mean to Grogu. Like, it's a distracting, like,

like arresting cuteness a little bit. Oh, I was mad at the armor. When she was, I'm like, why are you scaring Grogu? Can you fucking calm down? Like, he's a baby. Give him a snack. Give him some juice. Relax.

Yeah. Like, even when Grogu was collecting the little rocks that were crabs and then interrupted him, like, come do this. I'm like, don't fucking talk to him. And that? No. What are you doing? I thought, I thought those were rocks that he was moving with the force, but then it was

very cute to just find out they were little crabs. I thought it was a force, too. But my other question. you guys seriously. Oh, so he wasn't moving in with the force. No, the crowds were moving on their own. The crowds were moving underneath of sand. That's even cuter.

I know. I didn't even pick up on that. It was too early. Like, that's even cute. This is a barrel of cute? So is the cuteness going to stab him in the back? And what I mean by that is, is there any chance that, like, he's prime 50 cent at this point. He has the bulletproof vest.

If he gets shot nine times and gets up from this, can you tell him anything? Probably not. Is he going to start just terrorizing the other Mandalorian and start dropping disc tracks? Saying y'all not built like that. To be honest with you, this is going to be such a short amount of time that he starts fucking over those other kids.

Their days are numbered, man. And it might take a couple generations of kids for him to grow up anyway. But some kids are going to get it, man. Some kids are going to get thrown into the water. Think about how funny it would be if you said something bad to Grogu and then he just hovered you over the water

to scare you like, He was going to drop him with the crocodile. You know what I mean? Night shit. Are we sure Grogu's not going to get like an Anthony Davis growth spurt and grow like a foot in like in six months or something? They're going to have to address that at some point, right? At some point you got to get big.

I think to Yvonne's point of him being too cute, I don't worry about him in like the sense of danger. But I think like, you know, he's supposed to be part of this creed, right? Where you take your helmet off, you're no longer Madelorian. Can you put a helmet on Grogu for like a seat? season? No. And not see his face? No. Business-wise? No. They ain't doing that. No. Absolutely not. So

maybe they just say oh, he's too small. But I'd like to see him grow up at some point and, you know, actually be like a cool Mandalorian slash Jedi. You can't put a helmet on that. Like, so what is, like, what kind of questions does that open up? That's what I

think about what I'm like. Is he... They just give him like a little fun hat. Wow. It's like a little best card cap. A little snapback. A little snapback with that bitch to the back. Don't you know what I mean? A Bescar du rag would be legit.

Like that's crazy. Oh, it's flowing. It's flowing down. Wow. You know what I mean? You type that bitch up. Gros was waved up.

If he took it off, if he took it off, and then his little gray hair is wearing waves. Waves, yeah. Yeah, like all three of his gray hairs. He did that thing dripping, you know what I'm saying? He'd be breasting that thing dripping, you know what I'm saying? He'd be, he'd be bristling that. thing.

Well, if he used the force to brush his hair, dog, that's you. Yeah. We, we,

seriously, we didn't put Grogo straight from Zone 4 in Atlanta right now. No, right, one more nitpick

before we get to nerd news. Like, this is actually a little thing. But would they actually have Grogo's size

for the little dart things? When they pulled it out, I'm like, Grogo's arm is quite literally the size of like

a little cucumber. How does this wrist thing fit? it didn't fit he I think it was like a little belt strap Yeah a little belt strap and he strapped it And she tied it all the way He tied it all the way up yeah

I don't know But you like come on This is for like Regular humans Groh who has little baby like Arms How is this is gonna fit And they're like yo

All you got to do is squeeze it For it to have I'm like How is this calibrated to his little He was so unhappy doing that too Like he was like Flip over him twice Shyam in the face three times Before we get on this

I do want to add one thing to the story about the bear. Sure. I desperately wanted to live with the bear and this drove a wedge between me and my father. How old are you at this point? 16. 16 or 17?

So you wanted to live in the same area as the bear, not like you. I was more curious about the bear than I was anything. Because we would go into the woods all the time and I had never seen a black bear. And I didn't realize that we had them in Louisiana because where we were hunting, it was a little bit south of there

and you had to go a little bit north to see the black bear. I remember my dad was like, you know, the guy from the wildlife and fisheries was like, you know, there's a bear that lives there on that plot of land. Like we got the bear.

And it's like, my dad was like, well, I don't want to live with the bear. And then my dad wanted to kill the bear. And then I was like, how could we kill the bear? You fucking savage. And he was like, well, I want to, and so I,

me and my dad actually had like a whole summer to where we were beefing because I went out there one time to try to see the bear on my own. I wanted to see him. I wanted to be his friend and I wanted to live there.

I didn't want my dad to hurt the bear. And my dad was a whole thing in the family. It's like my dad called me a crazy tree hugger and that I was trying to go out to the wild and commune with bears. So it's a big thing. Hey, not 25 plus. 25 plus years later,

you can see the bear on FX. On FX. And, you know, I can love animals in the way that I want without being judged. I love you, dad. Okay. This episode is brought to you by Sweet Green.

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as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. A lot of mess we're about to get into right now. Let's fucking go! Charles is so excited, guys. This is the best day of his life.

Let's fucking go! Charles is so excited. Steve, can we please do Nerd News Minute? Okay. Everything's all fucked up. Okay. I mean, that's just kind of the way things are. If you love superhero movies, superhero shows,

it doesn't matter which side of the aisle you're on, be it D.C. or Marvel, everything. Everything's all fucked up. Star Wars, everything. Star Wars, everything. Okay? It's all fucked up. Particularly fucked up over on the D.C. side. Shams Fury of Gods made $16 this opening weekend.

That's overdoing it, man. It was a monumental flop for DC. I don't think that they care very much. They've already punted on whatever storylines seem to have been remaining from Shazam, but there is still collateral damage here. Charles tells us what's going on. All right.

So let's see. According to a story published by the rap, the Rock Block 2 cameo appearances between Black Adam and Shazam in their respective movies, And then on Tuesday, fucking Chuck had the goal to repost this claim on Instagram and get up there like a black minister and say, The truth shall set you free. Let me just tell you, I am so appalled by this. The PR spin on this is nasty.

All right. Coming after a black man, one month after black history month, that's what we do it. All right, I got to do it. I got to do it. Nah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So, Charles, no, wait, wait, I do have a question for Charles. Do you really believe this? Like, what you're saying?

Do you really... Is this K-Fabe? Are you going to K-Fabe right now? This is disgusting. All right? We saw it a week ago. We saw the PR machine spinning. They was like, hey, y'all, we know Shazam ain't shit.

But Tom Cruise likes the flash. And then a week later, once the box office numbers come in, everybody's like, yeah, you know who really fucked up the future D.C.? The Rock. because he didn't show up in some cameos. Like, niggas, Shazam wasn't going to do fucking great. Regardless, we've known for months that you are rebooting this entire universe. You essentially told all of us, hey, Shazam, Aquaman, Blue Beetle, these don't matter.

The only reason the Flash matters is because it's rumored that is going to reboot this whole thing. Can we use some, like, I get it. It's like it's fun to dunk on the rock because Black Adam was a bad movie. But if y'all really think that The Rock is the reason while all this shit is fucked up, come on man like what are we doing so I don't I don't think I think you're right in the sense that like it's not it's not all the

rock's fault like we can't blame the rock for the fault of the DCEU of course but I think you're on the best of cocaine like you've broken into you've broken into the best of crack acting like the rock's ego didn't ruin

black Adam and Shazam's like any type of potential Shazam was ruined the minute. Shazam was ruined the minute. The entire parent company was like, hey, guys, we're doing an interconnected universe. James Gunn is in charge.

These other movies are coming out. Like, let's-Sazam. Shazam was ruined. Black Adam and Shazam are way better films if they interact. Oh, man. You're telling me it's a more, you're telling me that if Black Adam happened to be in Shazam 2, Fury of the Gods and a cameo, it would have saved that movie.

Not a cameo. Not a cameo. No, if he was the actual villain. Yeah. If he was the film movie, that's a much more. Yeah, but that's cool. She already knew that that wasn't going to happen. I agree.

It would have been a better movie. Why? Why wouldn't it happen? Because the rock is a dipshit. Charles, he doesn't have two brain cells to put together to understand, hey man, maybe if I'm not the only person in this movie who's doing my thing, maybe if I let somebody else cook, we could work this thing out. And we can have an enjoyable film together. That's his problem, Chuck, I don't understand.

Dude, I said this- Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Show me, Joey, Joe. Joe, you don't even have to let's-me to come at the rock. No, no, no, no. You don't have a resume to come at a legend like this. I'm not taking this black-all-black violence on the Midnight Boys right now.

All right? Is James Gunn lying in your pocket? Did five-ish check not clear anymore? Is you out of the- You know I get it where I can get it, you feel me? What's going on, Joe? No, but seriously, like. We set this when Black Adam is coming out.

I was worried like his ego was going to get away. We were to see a movie where Black Adam just chances to I'm the best, I'm cool, nothing could hurt me. And then we get to the movie and it's exactly that. At no point is he in danger. At no point are we like worried about the rock. He gives himself up.

And then the good guys are like, actually, we do need you. Go be a terrible anti-hero over there, even though it wasn't good, right? All of that is far. Like, even if the movie sucked because of the Rock's ego, it still would have been cool for him to be like, yeah,

I'll be with Shazam, right? I'm his villain. They are interconnected. Charles, right? Charles, hold on. Let me interject. Real quick. I'll let you guys get back to it. Charles, do you concede the point that it makes absolutely zero sense to introduce Black Adam

in a solo movie independent of Shazam when there was a Shazam movie already there where Black Adam is such an important part of Shazam. He's his main fucking foe. That was all due to the fact that the Rock one of his own corner.

I agree with that. Black Adam should have been in Shazam or Shazam should have been in Black Adam. This made no sense from the beginning. I think the thing that I'm like, the fans are getting bamboozled a little is like, let's be clear. DC does this every couple years

where Zach's, Snyder is their guy until he's not. They hire Josh Whedon, and I remember reading all the things like, yeah, Josh Ween is going to clean this movie up. He's going to fix everything. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Joss Whedon is a fucking nightmare on that set. Everybody comes up.

It's like, fuck Josh Whedon. Cyborg is like, yo, shit was crazy out here. They paint him as the bad guy. Now it's like, hey, we need the Snyder cut again. Snyder is in our good graces again. Now it's like James Gunn's turn. And the Rock had a turn, but now that that failed, fuck the Rock. It's his fault.

At a certain point, I'm just like, why are we constantly pointing the finger at the actors and the directors when this thing fails when I'm just like, it seems like the foundation of this whole shit is rotten and the PR spin on this shit is wild. It's where I'm like, guys, y'all know that this house is a mess far way before the rock decided like, hey, fuck Shazam. I want my own movie. Like, let's be real. Yeah, I mean, I don't, yeah, I could see that. But it is weird that the rock was the guy who was like, I want Superman and not Shazam. You know, like that's off.

Yeah, but that's your thing. That's the company's fault. Y'all know. I'm like, I would look the rock in his face. I'm like, bro, I love you. I really, really do, bro. But like, you're smoking rocks. Like, what are you talking about?

Like, why did they let him bring back Henry Cabo? Like, come on, bro. Okay, so this is the thing. Okay. So this is where Jomey is incredibly correct. So I think that the Shazam movie was, stupid the moment Shazam was ruined the moment

at the end of the first film that they brought the entire Shazam family in. I just be honest with me. The second movie. I like that. That was a bad. Nope. No.

That was fun. Nope. Didn't like that. Didn't like that. Because they stuck with it and you had an annoying movie with adults acting like children the entire movie, which is

super grading to watch. it was bad. However, that could have been fixed. I was hoping that the fucking girl was going to take the staff, zapped them all. First 10 minutes of the movie, everybody's back to being right. And then it's just back to Shazam.

And it's just back to Shazam, okay? Because even he's annoying, another grown person, acting like a kid, but the whole movie, it's just... He didn't act like that in the prior movie. Like, there was a kid, like, charmed to him

in the first one. Real quick. They're very closer in actuality. Shazam and Billy in the first movie. And the second movie, Billy is a grown-up and in the... He...

Billy acts like a person. It's so stupid. And he acts like he's younger than Billy. Wait, wait, wait, real quick. Van, Midnight Beat her. What was Shazam Fury of the Gods? Five.

Oh, wow. That's higher than I thought would be. Okay. Maybe four. I mean, it's hard for me to give these movies. It was five. It was...

Kalika said it was the worst movie she ever saw in it. did. She was pissed. I'm not even looking. She was pissed. She was like, she, it's getting to the point to where somebody like her,

she's actually starting to ask the question why we're continuing to do this. She, like, she, because, because she wanted to see, she didn't want to see, let's be honest. Like, I mean, we kind of went back and forth about this. She didn't want to see the fucking Godfather.

She wanted to go see 65 million years or whatever that movie is, okay? She likes Adam Driver. She wanted to see. see the fucking movie. So she was pissed with the Shazam Fury of the Gods

and she was like audibly like fucking signs. She's like a lot of it was directed towards making good. And so

and so shout out Meg. But what I'm saying is that when you look at the movie, they're making up all of this,

they're not making up all of this stuff. They're bringing this stuff from the comic books. But the movie is to have Black Adam versus Shazam. It just makes

absolutely, zero sense that they didn't do that. Right? It just makes no sense, right? It's just like, it's stupid, Charles. Yeah, so. If we all agree that it never made sense, I'll put it to you guys this way. Do you think that if we did get a Black Adam versus

Shazam movie, that D.C. would be good? Or do you think even if we got that movie, James Gunn would still be in charge and they still would be in the movie? Yeah, it would change. It would change little to nothing. It would, yeah. Well, look, I think it would have changed a lot about this movie. Sure. I think the thing is that D.

would be better. And it's these type of decisions that sort of prioritize the Hollywood side of movie making over the comic book side of storytelling that has DC in the situation that they are. DC went, took Marvel seemed,

and there are some things that are going wrong now, obviously. Marvel seemed to take an issue-by-issue comic book storytelling method to their building of the MCU. And they let that happen. Regardless of who the... Regardless is not a word. Regardless of who the actors were,

what stationed in their career they were at that time, they prioritized story. And so, you know, this is always been a problem that D.C. had, you know, whether it's letting Zach Snyder direct Superman and then just having him direct every movie and run the whole thing. It was always something that they had never seemed to make the right decisions. And this is just another example.

Really quick, I do actually want to say, because a lot of this was jokes. I actually do think that it is fucked up for Zachary Levi, the directors, the writers of this movie, that I think the director has been very, very honest, that he kind of knew that this was going to happen. And I do think it is sad that, like, you pour years of your life into this thing. And it's like, essentially, because of some business decisions that are out of your control, all of these

actors have to basically go on red carpets and promote a movie that we all know as fans does not necessarily matter after this. And I'm not saying it doesn't matter as a piece of art. I'm saying it doesn't matter in terms of like the future of this company. And that's actually what I do like, I feel bad for Zachary Levi. I feel bad for the director. I feel bad for everybody involved in this movie because like this is going to keep happening until we get the first James Gunn Superman movie. And if I was a creator, I would feel a little bit. hurt and taking advantage of almost? Well, I don't think it's going to happen with Flash.

But what about... That's predicated on it being good, though. You guys, I'll tell you one thing right now. Guys, there's nothing... I've never heard behind the scenes consensus over a movie as much as I've heard from the Flash. At this...

At this point, I heard somebody literally say that D.C. and Warner Brothers was being held hostage by the quality of the film. And this is in regards to Ezra Miller and their behavior in the much, that the quality of the film

was holding D.C. hostage, meaning that they had such a great movie that they felt that there was no way to not release it or to put it on the back burner. And they have to put it out. And that's how much people believe in the film, people who have seen it.

And these are various versions of it. There's one person that said that they saw the changes that they made and they made the movie better. That's crazy. Some of the stuff that they took out and some of the stuff that they read that they rearranged based upon the story,

and it just made the movie better. You know what I mean? So like... Like let's take, even if the Flash is good. Like, let's take Aquaman, which... I don't know how well that movie is going, and let's say Blue Beetle. How much damage does it do to the entire brand if we have to go through this again?

Like, let's say Aquaman, a movie that the previous one made a billion, let's say the sequel Bricks. Let's say Blue Beetle Bricks. Do we get to 2025 and the audience is like, yo, I'm kind of good. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like Superman carries a lot of weight. I feel like I feel the exact opposite. I mean, that's tough to say now

because we haven't had like a Superman presence in film in quite a while. I think it's also kind of a bit of a reflection on what Marvel's doing. Not to say that they set the tone entirely, but they do set the temperature a little bit for how like the general consensus about how we're feeling about superhero films is right now. Like it is a bit interesting that once we're in a bit more of a funk with Marvel like it, they are now, DC's really going through the trenches

trying to figure out where their North Star is right before James Gunn takes the raids. It's liberating for DC. And Marble is experiencing their own upheaval. They got rid of Victoria Alonzo and then blame... They got rid of. She is no longer.

Let me tell you why I feel like they got rid of her or at least helped push her out the door. Immediately after Victoria Alonzo was gone. And I don't know, I'm not... in any way questioning the reporting that was done over there at Vulture. Immediately after she was gone, they blamed the entire thing on her.

That was weird. Immediately after she was gone, the stories were the reason why the visual effects sucked were because of Victoria Alonzo. Now, look, I don't know whether that's true or not. It doesn't seem very believable. No, she's been. Even there since the Avengers.

I don't know whether that's true or not. But what I do know is that seems like somebody who for some reason was shown the door when stories like that come out right after your departure. Well, shout out to our awesome co-worker Joanna Robinson. When that came out, she said that this was like her tweet says this is just the absolute opposite of what I've heard. from every person who has worked with her, I'd call it a gross mischaracterization in terms of a tweet that somebody had about, Chris Lee had about, you know, VFX talking about Victoria Alonzo

was responsible for Marvel's toxic work environment. You know, so Joanna has come out and said, like, that's next that, you know, and we trust Joanna around these streets. So it kind of feels like, you know, remember Van when the Lakers got rid of Russ and then Dave McVanman went on NBA NBA the jump whatever and was like yeah man

Rest was a vampire locker room you know it just sounds like But that was fast There was something There's obviously something Yeah something's going on there

Right but somebody's trying to push a narrative Well I don't we just don't know who If I'm being fair I do think to Van's point I do think like It's real The VFX community is pissed

And whether that is Victoria's fault or not, I don't know. I'm not an insider like that. What I do suspect might be at play is that if you're the person that is like looking down the barrel of VFX artists potentially starting to unionize

or be like, all this bad press around Marvel, if I'm in a leadership position, I would not be that habit. I'm like, I don't want to be blamed for this. Also, if I've made all this money and Marvel's in a dip, I'm like, bro, like, oh, I'll piece out.

I'm made by money. Why am I going to stick around? But my question for y'all is, my last question for y'all is. Between the Victoria Alonzo shit, Damon Lindelof leaving Star Wars, his Star Wars movie, and everything going on with Marvel, does it worry?

And all the Zachary Levi, the rock stuff, doesn't worry you about the future of the superhero movie industry. And that's not me saying, we're always going to get these movies. But it's, it's been bad.

It's been funny. but it's also been a really bad stretch, business way. I'll tell you what worries me. What worries me is what always happens in Hollywood, which is a certain creative laziness that exists in a town when a formula proves itself to work. And that's not, superhero movies don't have,

they don't have a, why am I, why can I talk? Superhero movies don't have the specific hold on that. I can't search for the word that I'm trying to say. They don't have the patent on that. They don't have, it's not unique superhero movies. I remember there being a phase where every 70s television movie got remade into a TV show. Starsky and Hutch, Charlie's Angels, A team.

They did all of these movies and they had to peter out in order for people to stop doing it. They did a couple of them and a couple of them worked. A couple of them were pretty good. but then it was like the Dukes of Hazard failed, right? And the A team didn't do as good as it should have, even though I liked that movie. I kind of like Starskin Hutch, weirdly enough. I mean, whatever.

My point is they continued to do that until it became obvious that people weren't like actually putting anything into the making of the movie. They were just saying, okay, well, Charlie's Angels worked, and so now people are into this nostalgia. We can get them into the seats. there's a danger in the superhero movie situation to where they know that we're going to show up.

So the risk taking, the mining of new talent, and the thing that made the movie so amazing in the first place that they lose that. And that's kind of what you're seeing. What you're seeing right now is this filmmaking at a crossroads to where they have to figure out why they're doing this, right? And obviously,

Marvel in it has been so successful. The question is, like, do these films have anything left to say? And if they're not making grand sweeping indictments of culture or statements about who we are, then that's fine. But at least they have to do justice to their source material. At least they have to do justice to the hours and hours and hours that we've spent as fans consuming this, watching cartoons, playing Marvel snapped, buying hero clicks, all of that stuff.

and they haven't been. That's it. They've been plug and play for a while now. They haven't been. Do you think the creators even know that? Like, do you think, and this is nothing against MCU,

I think everybody gets like this. You think Kevin Feigen Co. even realized it was plug and play or did they realize it was too late? Did Disney Plus, did all the shows, did all the movies become so big that you're not,

you don't realize you're in the eye of the storm until you're there? And you're like, oh, fuck, like, this thing has got, too massive for us. What do y'all think? I don't want to take up all the time. Like, what do you want to be? No, I agree. I think once we started getting to the Disney Plus shows and the movies, like,

you know, four movies a year, four shows a year, it just starts to get too much on your plate and you just look around and, you know, you're like, all right, we have to do this, but we can't spend money on this because of that. And it just becomes, I don't want to say morally bankrupt. You know, I don't think that's the right word, but you start to, you know, yeah, you just start to, you know, take shortcuts where before you wouldn't, you know, because you had the time, you had the ability

to, you know, let this cook for a little bit longer or let this thing, you know, we can push this back a little bit until we get it right. You know, when you have all that, you know, product to release, you don't have the time, you don't have the energy, you don't have the capacity to shorten your output. And so I think that's why in this moment of time, Bob Eggers, you know, stepped up and said, hey, we couldn't this thing all the way down. We're going back, We're going back to basics. Two, three movies a year. You might get two shows.

And we're calling it. You know, I think that's, I mean, I think ultimately that's the right way to go. But, yeah, changes have to be made if we want to get back to where we were. Last thing I'll say, do you guys remember what happened to Krispy Cream back in the day? In lightness. I was going up in Baton Rouge there was like literally one Krispy Cream. And we used to think it was the first Krispy Cream. We used to tell people's stories that this was where Kris Cream started in Badbury.

It was a Krispy Kreme on Plain Road, but it was an old school Krispy Kreme where you would go there and you would wash the fucking donuts get dipped into the thing. It was a Krispy Kreme not just store, but it was like a Krispy Kreme kind of like factory kind of a thing.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you could go there, still there. They actually renovated that motherfucker. So one of those old ones that you can watch the Krispy Kremes going to the thing. Nice. So I remember one day, and that was the only Krispy Kreme in town.

And it's in North Van Rue. So if you wanted Krispy Kremes, you had to drive way out there to go get to Krispy Kremes. One day I was driving around off Seagland in Baton Rouge and I saw a Krispy Kreme. I'm like, huh. It's a smaller, newer Krispy Kreme. I'm like, shit.

This is life-changing. You mean you tell me it's a Krispy Kreme within a 10-minute drive and I could just feel the pounds coming onto my body. I'm going to be a Krispy Kreme all the time now. I don't have to wait until I'm coming from the club or leaving Southern University's campus. But what happened was, Krispy Kreme was expanding. There was,

Krispy creams everywhere. It was like Krispy cream. You go different places and I didn't see as many Krispy cream was making a nationwide push. If you go back and look at the history on this, it failed. They've recovered now, but they overestimated how much people loved donuts. And so what they started to say was,

hey, you'll eat as many donuts as we can produce. As many donuts as we can produce, you'll eat them. So it's crispy creams everywhere on every single thing. But that's not true. We love donuts, but there's a limit. What we really want is a really good donut when it's time to have a donut. And that's what we want from our superhero movies. We want really good superhero movies and television shows when it's time to have them.

If you're just putting them out for no reason and they aren't that good, you have to close some of your franchises. And so, Krispy Kreme had to close a bunch of franchises and they were able to roll back out and have a better understanding of how the audience consumes what they put out. I think post-end game, Marvel and D.C. thought that we wanted all we could get whenever we could get it. And I think actually, maybe we thought that too.

I think we thought that. I think after the Mandalorian, I thought we were like, Oh shit, we're going to get a MCU quality product every week on our televisions? And then when we didn't get it, we were all like, oh shit. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I think we thought that too.

Just like me. I thought I wanted all of those donuts. What I really wanted was good donuts when it was time to have one. And so hopefully Bob Iger and them can fix it. I'll tell you how you're not going to fix it by putting it the fucking rock in charge of it. I know that's like Warner Brothers. But letting the rock fucking make the disease. decisions about who's in what movie. Wait, let's be real.

That's not going to work. There was never a universe where the Rock was going to be in charge of D.C. Like, he thought he was. He thought he was. He thought he was. We could have a whole, because Rock is a nice guy. But The Rock can't got movies like that. Not like y'all think.

The Rock got some good movies. He got a couple. But I don't know why a niggas thought, whatever. He peaked at the rundown. He peaked at the rundown. The rundown is great. The rundown is really good. Like that's good.

Don't get me wrong. The Rock got some shit. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, come on now. The Scorpion King. Bummy returns? No, no.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? We see past Visla, Jomi, housekeeping's there. Yeah. One second. Joe. I'm so glad he saw that. Bro.

Now, you gotta put this on fucking Twitter. Joey. You didn't hit him knock? Back at the door? Jome, just got, you guys, you guys going to have to watch the visual. Oh, my God. Housekeeping, you just scared the shit out of Jome. Jomey, you didn't hear him knocking?

No, I was locked in on my hotel. You got to put the thing on the door, my guy. Like, Joe, you didn't hit him knock? I heard the knock. Jomey, are the ops in Memphis like that? Jomey got scared. Yeah, right? He was about the, like he was.

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