The Ringer-Verse - 'The Mandalorian,' Season 3, Episode 5. Plus, 'John Wick: Chapter 4' Reactions. | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

It's a pirate's life for the Midnight Boys! 'The Mandalorian' returns, and the team is back to give their thoughts and reactions to all the action that went down in this week's episode (09:04). Later, they also give their impressions on the explosive new film 'John Wick: Chapter 4' and talk about whether it's the best in the series (69:13). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Because you know, social media is very important In the contemporary society Or whatever, Jomeo, whatever. Insta Facebook, TikTok For the time being. Hey, you know what else you guys could do? You guys could go to YouTube And watch all the Ring of Earth videos

That have come out in the last few weeks. We've got some good ones coming up. We have some good ones you can watch. You can watch Mal. go on on Bocatan and her entire history, that seems important. And you can listen to me, Van, and Arjuna talk about who we think are the best Mandalians in the history of Star Wars. And also, you could, if you feel like it, I don't know, to hear me out, you know, tweet

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Appreciate you. Jomey the beggar Adiron. That was not a shames. Not a shame. Jomey, you get... Not a same. Put the stuff out there and hope that they watch it. That was pathetic.

I got a job to do. Listen to the music being played right now. I mean, it's kind of my job to get these things out here. Yeah, we put them out. My whole recording thing crashed. My whole recording thing crashed. I had to refresh. And when I came back, Jomey was still going.

Still begging. Oh, my God. Steve, next time you know what we're going to do, play some Barry White under that, like an R&B hit, like baby, baby. baby, please come back. Come to the ring of verse. Can't get enough of your subs. My entire job.

Your subs, baby. On social media. While we're getting everything out in the open, I have to ask the L.A. crew something. What? What's that? Y'all almost broke up. Like, there was some, there was some tension.

The band, like, some shit was happening. Let's discuss it. Jambi, would you have to start? Well, you know, so we go on a, we go on the tweets. And we see that Steve, you know, he watched it's a session Sunday. Now there's a lot of shows that are important to us

as Midnight Boys family, but session is really up there and high on the list. And we see that Steve is on a Twitter and he got a box of donuts. And they're like, he had on a grand old time with a bunch of friends. And I don't know where you were at, Van,

but I was at home by my lonesome. At the crib. At the crib. So it's interesting. And Steve was out there amongst the people while me and Van were at home. Oh, so that's a last party. I got donuts.

Steve's face right now. I'm so sorry for doing this. No, no, we should talk about it. Because the reality is when it's time to watch something, it's fine. At Vance Crip, everybody comes over. No, no, no, no, no.

I provide the foods. Right, right, right, right, right. And everybody knows they could call me up right now. Both Jomi and Steve could call me up right now. And they can say, Van, we're coming over Sunday. First of all, Van. First of all. You're acting like you invited me over

and I said hell no and to hell with you I'm going over to some other friends house I was invited to a very nice friend's house and we're going to have a succession watch party wanted to bring donuts maybe didn't consider to invite noted Van and Joni

noted that's funny now he's Joni Mitchell now he's a folk singer now I'm just forgetting my name that's nuts well the way he was singing for some upside. I don't know. Talking about Steve. You want me to be ashamed about that. That's my entire job.

That's my entire job is to beg people to listen to the podcast and read the articles. You guys, we're fucking with Steve. It wasn't at Steve's house. It was at somebody else's house. And it was probably a no black people allow type of situation. I would gladly come down. So, you know. And plus them donuts look trash anyway.

I don't like them big ass cake donuts. They weren't great. They weren't great. Right. But how about this? Sunday, now, you have to come over to my house. And that's the makeup. Now, there's a hesitation from Steve right there because maybe he's already promised those other people he would go back to their house again for succession again. Now, this is where the decision comes in. This is where the rubber meets the road. I know where me and Jomi are going to be on Sunday. Right. I know where Coleke is going to be. I know where Bow's man, the burner doodles. going to be. The question is, where will you be, Steve? Maybe it will be storming the Capitol.

Really quick. Van, why are you so possessive of our man, Steve? You're like a divorced parent. Maybe you need to share custody. Maybe we should spread the Steve love across L.A. My friend. I'll just flogging around. I'm just joking.

Nobody's mad at Steve, though. So it's funny bit. Yeah. I was shocked at first, but then I got over it. But then my beautiful niece was born, and then you saw that in the chat, and you're like, everything was forgiven. Oh, okay, everything's cool. Steve's had such a beautiful family.

You really can't hold on. I can't. Good look. All right. Programming reminders real quick. Mando Coverage is in full effect. This Friday and every Friday, the House of R is going to give you their deep dive into the latest episode of the Mandalorian season three.

Monday, the junior Mints are back, and they're talking about Dungeons and Dragons on our amongst these. Have you got seen the movie yet? Yeah. Yeah. It's great. See? Enjoyed it a lot.

A lot of people are talking. talking about how great the movie is. I have not had the opportunity to see it yet. I saw them trailers. You'll be shocked. Charles, what's your thing? I haven't talked to one person that hasn't said that the movie is a good watch. Why must you say that is whack, even though you haven't seen it yet?

We've done this show for two fucking years, bro. Like, why are you asking a question you already know the answer to? I'm a hater, bro. Let's move on. I'm waiting for us to talk about John Wenger and be like, but streets are lying about John Wick for. It's bad. Steve is spicy today.

I love it. We got to come out attacking Steve at the beginning of the podcast and get this time of energy. This is going to be a great bond. And on Wednesdays, of course, the Midnight Boys will be giving you their instant reactions

on the latest episode of the Mandalorian. On today's show, we got a two-for-for-you-guise, because you asked for it, okay? It's not quite our wheelhouse, but our will-house is essentially whatever you say our will-house is. So we have reactions

to the fifth episode of season 3 of the Mandalorian as well as getting into a little gung-foo and our reactions on John Wick faux. Yeah! Mandalorian spoiler warning comes now. We're spoiling all of Star Wars. Everything you've ever seen, everything you've ever watched up to this point, all the books you've ever read, everything you've collected, your lightsaber that you got at Disneyland

Park, green milk, blue milk, white milk. Everything is being spoiled right now. It's spoiled like milk. Run a spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Mando. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Okay.

To begin our reactions, we have to get you in the know, make you an expert on this episode. And to do that, now turn over to Chuck Wagon for the Midnight Manifest. Take it away, Chuck. All right, and this is the Midnight Manifaz for the Mandalorian Season 3, Chapter 21, The Pirate, directed by Peter Ramsey, written by John Bevereaux. We start with Gori and Shod arriving on Navarro to take revenge on Grief Carga for shooting at his shipmates.

Grief requests help from Captain Carson Tava and the New Republic, but when Carson arrives on Corrassan to request backup, Ilya Kane tells Tava's supervisor that Navarro is an officially part of the New Republic. Carson finds Dinn and requests that the Mandalorian help his friend. Din, with the support of Visla, convinces the rest of the planet to aid to borrow. In return, Din promises the children of the watch that they'll get attractive land on the planet so that they can stop hiding. Din, Bokitan, and the rest of the Mandalorian successfully beat Shard and is pirates and are awarded their land by a thankful grief. The armor tells Boketan to take off her helmet and says that she is the key to uniting the disparate plans of Mandalorians.

Meanwhile, Captain Carson finds the prison transport ship that contained Mav Gideon, floating abandoned in space, confirming his fears that the empire is about to rise again. And this has been your Midnight Manifest for the Pirate. Instant reactions, Charles. Let's go. No, I'm not going to go first van. You are the man that Rebels holds a special place in your heart. I want you to talk about your first reactions. I want to hear from you first.

I enjoyed the episode. Now, let me tell you, I went on a little bit of a journey in this episode. obviously, as a Rebels fanatic. Oh, yeah. I think you're selling yourself a little short, man. As a Rebels fanatic, I went nuts. I was like, what the fuck? I wasn't expected, and he looked great.

Look great. He looked great. Did you think that they, obviously, we were talking about the fact that we run into Zeb in this episode. He's in the episode. Just let's talk about that real quick, because that was a big deal, all Rebels fans, seeing him. he looked amazing to me. I thought that was practical for a second. I thought that was like a guy in a suit for a minute.

I don't think it was practical. No, it wasn't. But like it looked very good. I never thought that they could pull off Zeb in live action to the degree that they did when he turned up. I was almost like taking it back. I was like, wait, that's Zeb. Like he looks amazing.

I was very just like, oh, fuck they did it. And also none of us had Zeb on our Mandalorian season three bingo car. I never thought that he was going to be the one. Absolutely, absolutely. And that was, it also made me wonder, all of these little things that are being peppered in here like that, like we're really getting deep, deep, deep into the story here to where they're letting us know that not only are these worlds all connected,

which we already know that they're connected, but they all mean something to one another. And they're doing a good job of that. Okay. Wait, but you didn't describe. Why was it a roller coaster for you? Oh, it was a roller coaster for me because we'll come back to Zeb a little bit later, just let you guys know. But it was a roller coaster for me because there's a part of me that is, how about this?

There's a part of me that wonders if my expectations for what this season of the Mandalorian were going to be. are really super influencing how I'm looking at these episodes. I'll tell you why. I'm not doing a great job of articulating myself, but I've put the train back on track right now. There was a part of the episode where I was like, well, this is something that's kind of a standard Mandalorian episode of old.

For some reason, people are in trouble. The person that's in the best position to help them is then. Then helps them. That's the episode of the Mandalorian, with an underlying subtext of what's going to happen to Grogu and whatever that journey is. And for some reason, I tricked myself into believing, really to be honest with you with no real reason that this season of the Mandalorian would be more centrally linearly story-based about Den and his quest to either get back into the good graces of the children of the watch. or about the ascension to the Mandalorian throne, which it's doing all of that.

But sometimes it feels like it's not doing that. And when it feels like it's not doing that, I sometimes go, damn, this is just like what they've done before. And so there was a point in this episode to where I was like, we're kind of right back into the old formula. But then they came out of it. Does anybody kind of understand what I'm saying? I know that was long with it, my bad.

I feel you because there was this, of course, the Zeb moment is the childhood moment. of just like, oh my God, I'm seeing this thing and so much happiness. But then watching, it was almost like they were trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I think during the second season, bringing in Skywalker is like, that Skywalker's Pandora's box. From that moment, Mandalorian is going to be bigger than it was. It's not the promise of the show, if it keeps going on, is that this is going to mean something

larger. And this episode and this season has been a weird thing of wanting to have their cake and eat it too, where at some points they want it to be the episodic show. And at others, they want it to be this big mythology, myth-making show. And sometimes there's a lot of whiplash for me, where I'm just like, I don't know what this show is anymore. The core of it is a little bit unstable. And I think one of the big reasons is if you think about those first two seasons, you can explain it in a sentence. Din Jarin wants to find Grogu's people. That's

it. He is on a quest to find this little boy's people, this found, whatever. This, I don't know what Din wants in it. He's not even the protagonist anymore. Boketan is pretty much the protagonist. So as a fan, it leaves me kind of like what is this show?

Now, what is it going to be? You know? I loved it. Frankly. I really enjoyed this episode. but I thought, you know, I'm not going to hold you guys. Ladies and gentlemen, everybody at the crib and car on three, say it with me,

one, two, three, cinema. I love this episode. I really did. You know, we could talk about Zeb forever. Like, that was incredible.

When they go back to Corrissant and you see old girl and you're like, oh boy, here we go with the BS again, dog. And it ties back in episode three pretty well.

And then, like you guys said, it's just like, you know, the stuff that I enjoyed about early Mandalorian where somebody needs help, there's the only buddy can help him, you know, whatever. And then they have that awesome, the awesome fight, the awesome aerial duel. Then we come back and, oh, girls are like, hey, remove your helmet.

You're like, what's going on? And I think, we'll talk about it later, but I think that ties into like a larger story that I think we're kind of missing here. I don't know whether it's, you know, the story's fault or just like how long away, how far along we've been with these characters. But I think this is setting up to be something

that we're going to be like really shocked and really engaged by the end of it. Like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. But I love this episode, man. I really, really enjoyed this episode, but I don't know. I think we're very much back on better tracks this episode. to your larger point though

this season has been weird it's been a very oddly paced kind of not directionless but like we're going off in odder directions than we had in these past two seasons and it's clearly a show that has the bigger Star Wars picture on its mind rather than the more intimate

din and Grogu's adventures which is something that we've expected but Jomi to your point about the direction that we had in episode three of just all about Dr. Pershing and that and or-ish type of episode and then we have like little echoes of it here. I'm still kind of confused as to where that needs to be essentially in this episode because I feel like if you still cut that out, we still have our pilot come to Mando and be like,

ah, the, you know, the Republic won't help. Sorry. Like, we need Mandalorians to assist with us. I'm still kind of feeling like the Falloni agenda of it all a bit in a good way because clearly he has rebels and all of these big iconic characters and big ideas on his mind, but there's been this weird underlying, like, kind of scattershot direction for this season. And this was as close to a like, back to basics, Mandalorian episode that we got barring the first episode of this season.

I liked it a lot. So let's roll things back a little bit. And let's talk about why we feel the way that we feel. So being that the first two seasons that we got of the Mandalorian plus what we then got in the Book of Boba Fett set us up for what we thought was going to be some Mandalorian culture-changing sort of arc

that was going to happen in this episode and excuse me in this season and they resolved that pretty quickly. Well, yes. Okay, you know what I mean? They resolved that pretty quickly and it kind of left us asking the question like what are, what are, what is the season, which is we all kind of just said in different ways.

The question is like, are expectations once again sort of interfering with our ability to enjoy the show for what it is, A, or B, did they so obviously sort of hint at or Pan Am or whatever, that they were going to do something that they didn't resolve it

in a story satisfying way. Is it our expectations or is it their execution of everything that they set up? I think it's more of B because it's not like our expectations just appeared out of nowhere. I think very organically,

especially in the beginning, the Mandalorian ramped up. It was, to Steve's point, a very intimate show. and then it becomes bigger, Boba Fet shows up, Luke Skywalker shows up, Asoka is in it,

Boketan is in it. They are promising us that like, oh, we are going back to Mandelor. It's going to be about this and that. And I think when you show the audience that, when you blow up your show and you make it bigger,

you make it more of an epic, I think not only narratively, but business-wise, this is quite obviously Disney Plus's flagship show. I think visually we're seeing that it looks like it. This season, I think, looks, the CGI looks crisp, the space fights look amazing. But story-wise, I, to my point, I still am a little bit unstable. I'm still a little bit

like, what's the point of this season? And I'll ask you this, I'll ask you guys this. Can there be a, can the Mandalorian succeed long term when it's less about Din and Groku? Or is that fundamentally changing something about the show that you really, really need there? Because if we're being real, this season has not been about them. It's not not about them. There's more other stuff kind of wrapped into it. But, you know, with the structure of the show and the way it's always been, there's always been a lot of interactions and a lot of other stuff going on in the Mandalorian.

It's kind of always been something to where Dinn is the narrative through line, but we meet other people on other worlds and we get into other fights and you know what I mean? But he was active, I think. In this season he's more passive where he like in those early seasons, he was on a mission. He would meet other people like in a Western. But in this, all of the action generally comes to Dyn. Like what happens in this episode? It takes somebody else coming to Dyn.

and being like, all right, Din, we need you here to progress the plot instead of it being like, oh, these two, this like Wolf and Cub are on their adventures, and the world is almost reacting to them. Like, to me, it's like Dean is way more passive and Bo Katan is the active one. She is the one that's hiding the Mythosaur. She's the one that's leading the missions. She's the ones that the tactical genies from the Clone Wars is shining through. Where in this episode, I was like, what the fuck is Din is doing?

And like, then it's just like, he's like robin this entire episode, which is weird because he's been Batman to Boketan's Robin for all of season three, in my opinion. Hmm. I think I think that's necessary, though, in where the story's going. I think you have to set Bo up as, you know, capable as somebody who can like theoretically lead, right? We know from her history when she's in charge, things don't really go as well, right? And so even through this season, you know, rescuing Ragnar, this mission right here, Armour is like, hey, man, you saw the Mithosaur. We're going to put you in charge. We know that doesn't really work out, right, in her entire history.

And so it'll be interesting to see how that then intersects with Den, right? Because, like, I think, you know, not to still from Sean and Manning here, but we got to look at the big picture. When it's all said and done, okay? I don't, Bo doesn't, I don't think Bo can feel like she can lead

without the dark saber, right? I think that's going to be a huge point of contention. Okay. So at the end of it all, she's going to need to get that from Dinn. She can't,

he can't give it to her, but she would like, how far is Bo willing to go to maintain her status as, I'm supposed to rule matter of war? Like, like, how,

how would that put them at odds and how far will, will each of them go to defend themselves? I think that's interesting. I think that's something that's really exciting to see. You know, so we'll have to... I think that's where that's going. I'm really excited to see how they get there.

Let's do something real quick. Let's put a pin in this real quick. We'll come back to this larger conversation at the end of the episode, because we're talking about it. Let's get back into the specifics of this episode. Zeb was in this episode, and for Jomey,

for all the cretans and the insolent assholes out there who the swaned, swine who may have not seen Star Wars Rebel. Could you please tell them a little bit about Zeb? I wouldn't say that. I would say, Carabast!

And that was our boys' you know, big word. That's what... He's from the planet LaSan. He's a LaSat. Just one of our favorite characters. Because Zeb, Garra Zeb Orelios, commonly knows as Zeb.

He manned the starship. The Ghost with Spectre Team. in rebels, a real cut, like, you know, on the surface, gruff, you know, scary. I mean, he hated, and I mean, hated our boy, our little boy, Ezra for, for years. But just like, you know, every single, you know, big, scary, he warmed up and became one of our favorite cuddly characters. Also, has a boyfriend somewhere. I'm gonna where Calus is.

I was wondering where Calus was this whole time. I was like, Doc, where did he leave Calus? But yeah, that's Garra Zeb, Orelios, man. One of our favorite characters from Rebels. So we all agree that he looked great. What do you guys feel like including Zeb in this episode means about the rest of the rebels' characters showing up here? We know that, you know, they've been cast and everything's happening.

This is a pretty, pretty, pretty big deal. I mean, part of me is wondering, does, does Dinn go to Sabine to figure out the Dark Sabre? Does he need to, like, is this going to be a rocky moment where he has to be like he's going to get beaten down? And he has to go to somebody to train with it. That'd be clutch. I would love that. In terms of, like, who, like, how does this connect the best of rebels? Because, like, part of me is, like, is Zeb just a one-off cameo?

or is this part of the larger project of like Asoka is coming out, we need to start kind of like seeding a bunch of these characters in live action before that happens. They didn't have to do it, right? They didn't have to do that. They don't have to,

but it helps to like support the sister ship. If we were to show up at Asoka, right, we know that, we know that Harrah's going to be there. We know Chop is going to be there. We know Sab was also to Soap,

we wouldn't be shocked, right? I think this is just a little, hey guys, you know, just to tie this over until we get to, until we get to Asoka. Yeah, it was cool. It was nice. It wasn't completely necessary.

But when it's all set of none, I think this is, you know, just something that, you know, to give us a little, a little crumps before we get to Asoka. Can I give you an example of something real quick? There are two ways. There's one way that's really, really strong. And there's another way that's like a little bit more passive or not as strong. So you guys also all split, right?

Let me tell you guys, spoilers right now for Split. Split fans going to be in our mess is crazy. Spoilers right now for split. All right. Spoilers for Split.

You're watching Split and the movie seems to be about James McAvoy's character who has all of these split personalities, right? There's all of these split personalities and one of these personalities is a personality called

The Beast, and the Beast is fucking terrifying. The Beast with different personalities have different abilities. The beast is a personality that for some reason can crawl up walls. It was very scary when I saw it in the theater. The beast just take the bars of the fucking prison

or the thing that the zoo that they were in and move the bars. The beast is like a super villain killer type of thing. So the beast escapes. James McAvoy becomes the beast. That's the base character. You think somebody else, whatever. Beast escapes.

Beast is on the loose. Now, it shows that they're in an abandoned zoo. That's the twist or whatever. Spoilers for Split. It's been out for years. Okay? Spoilers for Split. At the end of the movie, there's a diner scene.

And in this diner scene in the movie, they're watching on the television the news report about the beast. And the fact that the beast is unstoppable and it seems to have powers and all of this stuff. it pans down to the end of the diner and David Dunn is watching it on television from Unbreakable gasp and then everybody in the theater was like oh shit! Like that's gonna be a new feeling for David Dunn.

David Dunn's going, hmm, yeah, somebody should do something about that and you're like, okay, we know that he's out there. That was M-night letting us know what world we were in. and he had to do that in a very overt way because he ain't got no universe. I do feel like sometimes in Star Wars, especially for the stuff that they want to do, they do that same thing,

but they do it in these little passive ways. Oh, like this person was here, this person is here. I want you guys to remember that Zeb could pop up at any time, that Ezra could pop up at any time, that you're only like, like literally one scene away from fucking, you know, seeing Sabine or seeing anybody else, that the time periods match, that these characters exist and they're doing that so that when

you see them all at the same time, that you don't go, where the fuck have they been, what's been going on, they're trying to give you the least amount of questions to ask about it kind of as possible, which I feel like is why they did that. it might seem like a stunt or it might seem like fan service, but I do actually think that it has some utility in the story. All right, so can I ask you this then? Is there also a possibility where seeing Zeb, I was like, oh, like, he looks amazing,

but I also was thinking in the back of my mind, is this also a way potentially if like, let's say Zeb is just not in that much of Asoka. That is a full CGI rendered character. I think for TV, it's just hard to put a character like that versus someone like Sabine or Hera or all these different people. Do you think that this was a way

of them being like, hey, we're going to give you a little sprinkle of Zeb? He might show up in Asoka, but if he doesn't, do not get mad at us. Well, no, I think this is, let's just know that, you know, exactly what I said. Like, these characters are,

these characters are here and they're ready. They're ready to jump in and be a part of Star Wars. What Star Wars is? Okay? What Star wasn't? I mean, you know what I mean? We're wars and of the stars

and Zeb was there. Wait, really quick before we get off Zeb. Was I supposed to take that as he is now a member of the New Republic? Looks like it. Yeah. He had it on his arm. They gave him a hellcat?

Let's talk about the New Republic right now. New Republic sucks. It really sucks. New Republic sucks. I'll be honest with you. They're doing a decent job. of juxtaposing the New Republic to the Empire. There's things to miss about the Empire.

No, no, no. Look, I'm not saying that I'm pro-emperor, because obviously you can't be pro-Space Nazi. But what I'm saying is, the New Republic's apathy seems to be their crutch, whereas the Empire's crutch was their oppressiveness, right? their oppression and you start to feel like it's really the same thing they were willing to let all of those people die and if you're willing to let them die it's essentially the same as killing them

you know what I mean so so I looked at that scene I was disgusted Tim Meadows my guy I was discussing Tim Meadows though I'm gonna watch the ladies man later um I mean but this I think this episode that part did do a very good job of like basically describing the two dichotomies in the galaxy where it's like you have the Republic and the New Republic who if you watch Clone Wars, you watch the prequels, the whole reason that the empire rises is because the Republic is so ineffectual. They're fat, they're lazy, they have been on top for so long that there are places like the outer rim that then we stop van. On top for a long time. You never know what I'm saying? I think,

What you're saying is that essentially they should have switched positions. You don't want to be on top for that. Sure. You want to be that, okay, yeah, sometimes behind or whatever. Okay, cool. It makes sense. Knees are getting tired. All right.

Back to the regular. Hey, you. You don't get that to me. Why? Stop the cap. Stop the cap. The knees get tired. You're tired.

It happens. Steve got super knees. Steve said he can do it all day. I can do this all day. Yeah. I can do this all day. Yo, I think the interesting thing about this episode was the fact that almost to your point, then, the New Republic isn't as bad as the empire.

But by their in, like, by them not doing anything, to me it's almost worse. Because I'm just like, it's one thing if, like, you have a. evil motherfucker be like, I'm about to go kill this whole planet. Right. It's another thing for this happened, at least for what we know twice now. Y'all have a new republic and y'all still forgetting about the outer rim. If it's a planet that's not a part of your system, you're like, fuck it. I'm like, y'all haven't learned shit.

It's only been a couple decades. Like, this ain't like old history. What? When did the, when did the Republic fall? Would have been what? 15 years? 10 years? Yeah.

Something like that. This ain't like how we view World War II. No, this is just like, oh, this was like two presidential terms ago. You know what I mean? Very unstable galaxy that we live in. But like, do you guys remember that viral tweet that went out that was like people are saying, our country is in trouble, please help us. And then the Republicans say, no, Democrats, no.

Hashtag BLM pride flag. That's the new republic. Like, they don't care, but they'll act like they care. And having all of this, like, as we see our girl from the Reclamation Project, there's still that, like, weird condescension in the room where, like, she's effectively talking to a veteran that is diametrically opposed to her. And they're having this, like, kind of, like, war of philosophy. But she's, like, kind of, like, giving him jabs because she won't actually help him.

And he's not actually getting what he needs there. That's the kind of, like, political. undoing of the new republic that is like genuinely interesting like their arrogance to the idea that sex of the the you know old empire can come back and just be like now we're too strong out like we're just getting our our shit off if you remember if you remember from that scene right you know tim meadows he listens to the message and he's like oh well i mean i guess and then she comes in she's like hey we're going to come so you want to eat by the way don't help those foods they're not with us. We got things new. Like she

pushes she pushes it away to help to the point where a home boy's like dog like what are you doing here, bro? Like you're, I see the badge, your former empire, right? Like this is what y'all do. You know, but you know, by then Timmyth was like, ah, we got to do this. You know, we got

to help the other people. Don't worry about it. You know, I can't help you. So like that's, that was very much on purpose. Her going in there and saying what she said. It's very much a thing that she did tactically. So again, it's just, this is why I really like what episode three did.

And so, like, when I see her on screen, I'm already like, oh, this. Also, it's pretty weird that they have, like, that reclamation, like, pin on everybody. No, they need it. They need it. They need it. Yeah, you got, because you, no, it's not,

no, hell no. Like, they, they, no, no, they need it. And so. Going back to that scene, that scene is interesting because what you have in that scene are three things. You have order, which we associate with the empire, but in this scene, Tim Meadows represents order. You have honor, which is what the rebels thought they were fighting for at the time, right? They're fighting for the honor and the freedom of people, which is represented in the, what's the guy's name, Zeva? What's the character's name?

Captain Carson. Captain Carson? Is it ever Carson or something? Captain Carson, okay? Honor, which is what he fought for. Okay. And then you have disruption and dissension and a spy. So you have three things like competing against each other in that one scene.

There's also a little deeper Star Wars knowledge, not deeper, stuff that everybody knows. Like if you read more expanded stuff, there's a reason why, like, Leia, wasn't the leader of the the Republic, right? She ran for it. She ran to be the president or the chancellor

or whatever of the New Republic which would have probably meant that what you would have had was a rebel soldier in charge of that situation. But she lost. She lost because

during her campaign, they found out she was. Darth Vader's daughter. And when they found out she was Darth Vader's daughter, this is all spanned stuff. Like she lost her election. This goes to me to show you like how

the New Republic really operates. They're a political organization that's bogged down by the bureaucracy and the sort of inactivity of political organizations. They've forgotten

why they fought a against the empire. That always happens. I can't point, there's not one rebellion in human history that I can think of off the top of my head.

I'm sure one of our smart listeners could think of one. Where the people that get in charge don't immediately start acting like the people that they took power from. It's very rare that it happens

because the first thing that happens is you realize that you can't run a whole empire of honor and all of that. And for us, because we were so emotionally attached to the rebels, we're seeing all this and we're going, shit, these guys suck. They suck now. But one of these guys fought and one of these guys didn't.

One of these guys is a soldier and one of these guys is a bureaucrat. And so, like, watching that happen in that room and watching her being able to pick up on the fact that there is a difference in perspective between the two of them and play them against one another, it shows why they are destined to lose. Because they've already lost it, whatever. But if that were a Skywalker in charge, it might be different until they turned evil and destroyed everything.

But if, you know what I mean? If Leo was there and she was, oh, I remember how bad things were. But no, they do what political entities do, which is become in effect. All right. I mean, to your point, man, the ruling class has not changed. Like, the government has changed, but we saw earlier in the season, the same rich people are doing the same stable. They're going to the same shit.

It's like, Empire rebels, it's the same thing. And that, to me, was interesting about this episode because then it starts to recent the audience of what it is that we want. Because what we wanted out of Star Wars in the first iteration of it was simply for the rebels to beat the empire. but it's incredibly important for the creators at this particular point to move the goalposts of what is good because if they already won,

there's no reason for us to keep watching. You see what I'm saying? If they won, there's no reason for us to keep watching. But we have to keep defining what is good and bad, what's right and wrong, over and over and over against, as we watched this huge victory in Return of the Jedi. Okay. Navarro got fucked up.

I'm gonna be real with you. It went right back to the shit while that it was. Right, but they fucked up Navarro, man. Navarro got some gentrification and after that it was cool. They fucked, they blew up to Starbucks the whole night. These pirates came back like gangbusters. They ain't got one fucking blaster in all of Navarro. They got kicked off their corner.

so fucking quick, they came back. Charles, there's no Navarro, the Navarro ain't got shit. How come somebody did this again before that? The thing that I was confused about was, you know, grief is like, we have to evacuate the city. And I'm like, oh, man, you know, the Great Exodus, damn. And then they show up and I'm just like, bro,

like a whole basketball team was in the city? Like, it was like, what? 20, 30 motherfuckers? I'm just like, how small? I was smaller the city. It is a weird thing to know how many people are in that town versus how many people

might have gotten killed in that town because like you think the city is pretty big. I mean, the other thing I was going to ask you guys is part of me in my heart was I'm just like, it'd be real easy for the Mandalorius

to be like, you know what? This is our planet now. Like y'all just save them. And here's your 40 acres and a mule. And I'm like, if y'all don't shoot these motherfuckers and just take the planet, like what are y'all doing?

Oh, that's terrible. No, that's crazy. That's nuts. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. They had the Mandalorians living in the sewers. Just a couple of years ago. They were just like, hey.

That is facts, though. You know, if it was me, if y'all forced my people to live in the sewers and then were hunting me, grief was hunting them. I'd be like, hey, man, I'm going to need more than just attractive land. I need all this shit. This is mandolore. I mean, because really the reality is that if somebody rolled up

on Navarro again, it's going to be the Mandalorian that kick them out because Navarro can't do nothing. Well, I feel like Navarro's just lucked out by the fact that they're like, okay, well, we're really just here to take back Mandelor so we'll take this small base of operations for now. A little tract of land. A little track of land. The bandy track. I drink your milkshake.

This is why the Mandalorians ain't shit. This is why they keep getting fucked over. Because they don't, they ain't playing chess. Well, they're not, Charles, they're not, they're not. They got bigger fish of fry. You want to be the Christopher Columbus of the galaxy, and that's not what they want. You know, they went over there, they helped out.

It's his friend. He doesn't want to steal the homeworld of his friend, Grief Carga. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't want to do that, Charles. I understand that your Charles might as right homes, but maybe they don't feel them. See, this is what keeps black people down because every single time we start talking about fucking revolution, y'all be like, damn. Revolution against who? Again, you have to revolution.

Black people of the Star Wars universe stand up and rise and claim the same. First of all. Grif Carga is black. He's the one. What are you talking about? Grief Carga is the black one and you want them. Not my association. He's a fucking man now.

You want them to steal his land. I don't know what you're talking about. Grif Carga. Grif Carga has made his own Nigeria, his own Sierra Leone. What? And you, you, you, you want them. What?

Do you see, do you see a black man or a black woman near, near grief? No, I see any black people in Navarro. I don't know how many black people are in Star Wars, period. I think it's like six. And that's why it's very important. There's a prominent black man. Oh, my God. So here's the thing about the Mandalorians, though.

and why they're okay with that track of land. Remember the last time of the armorer's our mandolory, it was getting bombed. It's getting blown up. They've been hiding. Remember, she was in sewers. That was in the Savage Land Caves. She was, they was all like, hey, man,

we're not trying to get done dirty no more. Now they have an opportunity. Hey, you don't have to hide from nobody. It's all good, baby. We all family. We all love. You can be above ground, right? and live your happy life.

And they're like, cool. It'd be nice to not to be able to, like, run and duck everywhere, like, you know, like we hiding from the police every time, you know. So I think that's why they were cool with that. Also, I just want to apologize to you, Van, really quick, because I just remembered Clone Wars. All the Mandalrians were fucking ardean children. Like, all of them were white and blonde hair.

I remember being like that. A whole white thing. It's a whole white civilization. There was not one black Mandalorian on that entire point. Playing the Inclone Wars. Yeah. Let me tell you something. Real quick for Jomey,

because this must have been a hard episode for Jomey. Because this episode was the redemption of past Vislin. Oh, my God. Yeah, that sucks. I hate it. Let me tell you, man. He gets the talking stick. And I'm like, here this motherfucker go again.

He's about to say some dumb shit. I'm writing going to be mad. And then he starts speaking real. And I'm like, I got to do I got to give past business a bone? Do I got to respect him in this moment?

It was tough. Man, I'm not going to lie to y'all. It was hard. The one person you hate the most just made a really good point. I was like, ah! But, I mean, you know, shout out to him. But also going off,

also going off that moment in my The Mandalorians or Goofy Agenda, bro, we really have a sharing stick. have the speaking stick. Would nobody else can speak while you have it? I mean, when the guy like Paz Vizzle, you kind of need somebody to take their turn. I'm just saying, is this kindergarten? Like, what the fuck?

What are the Mandalorians doing, bro? Well, there are, there, there, there, there is the children of the watch. They're, there, there, I don't want to judge all of the Mandalrians by just the children of the watch. They got some special situation. They got, they got, they got like a thing. You got pick up to talk, you know, that, that's, that's efficient, right? So they don't have everybody talking at the same time.

No? I mean, but also, Pat, Pat, I, I disagree with Jomi. Paz's argument was not great because he kept going. He's like, yeah, I know that grief fucked us over and he was hunting us and we shouldn't save him. But, and I was just like, there's no but. Like, once you started saying that, I would have been like, dog, my black ass is staying here with the big fucking birds and the fish that are eating us. I'm not going to Navarra.

Do you guys think that his station as a member of the Vizza clan was, important in him being able to be a voice that rallied everybody else to go to Navarro. He's a big deal in the children to watch. I always thought that he was second in command. I always took it that. It's like armor, Pas Vizla.

And once he got, Din got the second in commands like, A-OK, everybody fell in line. So they then go to Navarro and they're fighting. And they immediately get militarily outmaneuvered by the pirates. Slightly at home.

Dumb. By kale salad. They went there and they were shooting up pirates and it was fun. The pirates who were assholes, fucking up everything, drinking in school, shooting at animals. Asshole pirates, you know what I mean? And then the Mandalorians got out flight.

The pirates are there. They're shooting against the pirates and they get boxed in. Well, remember, they had less numbers, right? Right? So the pirates always had more numbers. It always came down to that being able to, you know, direct the ship away. I'm going to keep it all the way funky with you. I expect five Mandalorians to be able to kill all of those pirates. Thank you.

The pirates are basically car thieves. You think, yeah. The pirates are basically car thieves, though. It's not, see, it's not prime. It's not prime mandolarians, man. We've got to be honest. Wait, but for real. We're like Pistar Prime, Cook, you know, Hakeem.

Can you on the Raptors type stuff right there, man? Can you get out flanked when you have a jetpack as well? Like, why not just like, fly up and fly over them? I feel like they got them jet packs off Amazon. Those jet packs are not as reliable as what they once were, bro. Yeah, no, that's true. You know what I mean?

But look, here's the thing. You expect the Rising Phoenix, you get some knockoff. It's Jordan at the Wizards. Like, it's cool. It's not what it was. Look, we're being fans now, and that's okay, having a little fun at the Mandalorian's expense, but I should say that they're humanizing the Mandalarians

and making them more three-dimensional. And in order to do that, you have to show some weaknesses and some actual human. They can't just be these unstoppable, silent warriors that kill everyone that steps in front of them. You gotta have some vulnerability.

Are they way less cool now? Like, you know what I'm saying? So we've seen Order 66. Okay, we're a Jedi really cool. I mean, yes, the Jedi. technically speaking, the Jedi are less cool. They've destroyed the, what the fuck? They've destroyed the Jedi.

What are y'all talking about? My whole life wanting to be a Jedi. Wanted to be a cool, powerful, noble wizard with a sword. They turned them into the worst bunch of fuck-ups in the entire galaxy. Boring bureaucratic Wings. Yeah. Ruin the Jedi.

Ruin them. Okay. Steve? You got something to say? No, no. I'm curious. That's the question now. Like, everybody's been nerfed a bit.

The Vandalians ain't shit. Jedi ain't shit. But they win the fight, which is great. Okay. Win the fight back in Navarro. Pass Vizzle comes up huge. Huge. Pass Vizzle and the armorer.

are almost the MVP's of this battle, right? I mean, y'all were talking about that talking, talking hammer, you know, they used in the circle. She was really talking with the hammer with those people. She was giving them the hands, bro. They're Chandotian. That she slapped up off the, off the roof. She was just giving them a ass.

You got to respect to armor, man. I was just wonder why they didn't give her a gun. I'm like, the armor went in with their tools. I'm just like, Bob the builder ass, look a motherfucker. Like, what are you like, come on, bro. Jesus Christ. And the fucking plies? You don't need no gun when you was talking with that stick.

You feel what I'm? She's one of those cool people, like the rock and the rundown where she's like, I don't like guns. Yeah, she uses her hands. She uses her hands. And she was dope. Look, I'm going to write a Star Wars fable and the Fable, a Star Wars fable slash children's book. And enable a fable slash children's book is going to be called the Good Transdotion. I want to see a good transdotion, man.

I want to see one of them who went against the ways of their entire race and is good who maybe met, you know what I mean, like a wookie friend when they were a child and they had adventures and now they get along. You know, the good transdotion. I can't say the name of the people. Every time you see them, you know they have to some fuck shit. Are they the rednecks of the Star Wars universe, the Tranosians? Yeah, the Duck Dynasty people.

Yeah, every single time they come, they go. Bro. Well, hold on. Wait. We're supposed to not dissed the Doug Dynasty niggins. No. You have to be right. Wait.

Hold on. I don't feel fuck. The Dug Dynasty dudes said black people were happier when they were slaves. Fuck the Duk Dynasty motherfuckers. Wait what? Bro. Go back and look up the Dug Dynasty motherfuckers. They wild.

Fuck the Dug Dynasty people. Fuck them. Okay. They're widows. I don't know. They from Louisiana, too. I don't give a fuck. Fuck them.

Duck niggas. They're big fans of the show. He just alienated four of our biggest fans, man. No, fuck them. All right. Okay. So, big deal at the end of this episode. Conversation between the man, the armor and Bocatang.

What are our thoughts on this particular piece of story? I don't hold you. Like real, like real, like real, like real man-to-man conversation right now. I'm just talking to y'all three right now. I thought the armor's going to put some moves on bow right there, right there, right? I thought she was asking her out for a second. I thought she was asking her out for a second.

We must walk away together. You're horny. You never want to hear y'all talk about Van ever again, bro. You never come at Van ever again. Take your helmet off. Bro, I am the worst. If you guys can see the tabs

that are on this computer right now, you would judge me. I am the worst. That's your own computer. But I got to be honest, y'all that is so horned up y'all nasty y'all nasty never once in that

scene that I think that she was getting at Boca Tan I was like hold on I mean I would watch if he did happen but that thought never crossed my mind she took the helmet off I was like hold on I thought she was testing Boca Tan I mean yeah to see if Boketan would take the helmet

off to see if and then I thought with Boca Tan took the helmet off the armor was going to be like see got got you Got him. Got them. Go bathing the waters. Fuck out here. Go bathing the waters. But she didn't. She seems to be moved. We didn't know what to make of Boca Tan and the armor in terms of Boca Tan telling the armor that she'd seen the Mythsor. We didn't know what to make of it, but it seems that that moved the armor and in some way minted to Boatan with her. This still kind of made me scratch my head a little bit because

I mean, I'm not saying that, like, the armor needs to feel this way, but, like, if she's fine with Bo leading and Bo leading and Bo having her helmet off and uniting all of the other clans and basically, you know, again, pointing at the sign for, like, the bigger mission for Bo Catan to find more Mandalrians and unite them all against their cause, it feels odd to just, like, trot her out against all of the other Mandalians, be like, hey, she's got her helmet off. She's cool. Uh, she's going to be leader of us all now.

go with God. That felt like a bit of a weird heel turn, not a heel turn, but like a bit of a change in philosophy very quickly. Like I can understand how she would see Bocatan's like propensity to lead and how she's a great military mind and how she like maybe actually has a shot

at Uniting Mandelor. But to just undo all of that religious backing and just be like, yeah, you can take your helmet off and like bring it all in. And I'm like, okay, that's a big leap. The armor literally, like, during the whole Boba Fett episodes was just like, hey, yeah, you know Boca Tan, everything that happened to our planet is her fucking fault. And I'm just like, okay, I understand how you feel about Bo now.

And then in last episode, Boatat is like, you'll never believe what happened. I saw the Mithosaur. And then Arma was like, who gives a fuck? So in this episode when she's just like, it is you who will you not? us all. I'm like, guys, like, who is the armor? What does she believe? Can, like, I, our character seems very

plot dependent when they need her to be, like, super religious and super, like, this is not the way. She's like that. And then when the plot demands that she's a little bit loose, they're just like, all right, she doesn't give a fuck now. It's crazy because Bo says to her, this is the way, and she

doesn't answer back. I think part of it is, like I, like I mentioned earlier, right? They hiding in caves, they've been fun for their lives. Now they're finally out in the open, able to do something. And I think Amarer is like, you saw the Mithosaur, right? When you saw them at the sword, you came to us. Okay, we went from hiding in caves, being able to live in a nice little parcel of

land and able to be ourselves again. That's a sign. That's a sign that means we're ready to do some more stuff. That's a sign we're ready to take back Manilor. Is that crazy? Yes. But Armourer is very, very, very much. into these things like we've seen before.

So when push comes to shove, she's like, hey, man, let's get this thing cracking my boy. Go get some more manorrence. Bring them here. We're going to take back manor. We're going to do this whole thing. I think she's beholding to those things in a way that could lead to her downfall. But what'd you have to see?

All right, Jomey, I'm going to ask you a very specific question, though. Jomey, if I came to you and was like, I want to lead your family, Jomey, and you're like, why? And I was like, I saw Tupac. Would you believe me? Or would you have follow-up questions? Would you need some type of- I would say that's a noble vision.

This thing, I wouldn't, right? But I'd be like, if you have the Dark Sabre, though, I would follow you because that's how we usually do these things. But see, here's the thing, though. Here's the thing. The question for the armor or any leader like the armor, right, is between two things. It's whether or not they are about belief or dogma. One of those changes and the other one doesn't, right? So, like, if you read your Bible, there are plenty of people in the Bible that, like,

didn't become who they were until they did something. David was anointed by God, but in order for everybody else to kind of, like, believe it, David got to kill Goliath. Right? God says, hey, go, I know that you believe in me, but Old Testament gnarly, I don't want to get you guys, you know, it's frowned upon now to do this stuff. So it's like God says,

I know that you believe in me, but if you really believe in me, sacrifice your son. Like, at the day of the day, I'm going to sacrifice my son. No, you don't really have to do it. Ha, ha, ha. The thing about God having fun,

think about stuff like that back of the day. God was like, ha, you don't really have to kill your son. Ha, ha, give me a hug. You know? A prank, bro. It's a prank, bro. Ha, bro.

Ha, ha. Because those things are about belief. Those things are about what you'll do when you're called upon to do something. Dogma is something that, like, we made up. And those are the things that say, hey, don't take off your helmet that say, hey, do this, do that, don't do this, do this on the third Sunday, don't do this.

The dogma is forever. The belief changes based upon what it is that you see. Not your belief in the higher power, but your belief in how that power might be working. And belief is stronger and it's more powerful. It's the reason why somebody like the armor might be the leader of the Mandalorians, because she's more malleable than we thought, right? It's like, okay, they told me that the Mithosaur was just a legend. And I based the dogma of my people or the rules of my people around that belief.

But if you're telling me that that's wrong, I still believe in Mandalore. I still believe in the Mandalorians. Well, then let's do this a different way. That to me is, even though it's not consistent with the writing of the character, it actually is an incredibly moving and powerful thing, especially for a religious leader. Because, you know, it's like you go to somebody and you say, hey, because right now I could go to my pastor.

Right now, I'd be like, hey, man, I saw Jesus yesterday. He'd be like, oh, you did, did you? I know some people that can help you, man. And then I'd have to take a leave of absence from the podcast, right? He said he saw Jesus. Right? But, you know, there's always that thing. No, what if I really did?

You know, so when I saw that, I saw, huh, that tells me that she cares more about the future of Mandelor than she does about the rules that she set up for her flock. And that's what religious leaders now don't do. They care more about the rules than the people. So I kind of respected it now. what my question to Charles is, what the fuck is Boca Tan? Like what, like what, I mean, what is

Boca, who is, what is, did, did, at the end of this episode, is Boca Tan the future leader of Mandela? Like, what, what, what is Boca Tan's thing? Like, what, who, what happens now? So, I read, like, everything you said, like, I agree with the religious

talk about, but I read this more as a, this wasn't the armor seeding power. This was the armor moving Bocatan like a chess piece. Because if we've learned anything, the Mandalorians, they keep talking about, they were decimated, we have to keep hiding. Why does the armor ultimately let them go to Navarro? It's not just because they believe in this.

It's like, no, we need a base. Why is she anointing Bocatan? It's like, we need more of us. We can't survive in this galaxy unless there's more Mandalorians. And I think she knows that Boca Tan is the most capable from a military perspective. So for me, I took this as like, this isn't the armor saying, I believe in Boca Tan now. This is her being like, I need Boca Tan to get me more people. Because this episode also does something interesting.

We realize how much the Mandalorians don't have. They don't have ships. They don't have anything to their name. When she talks to them, she's just like, she uses the metaphor of the forge being like using the forge that was on. Mandelor to represent when their people were plentiful, when there was all these things. And the smaller forge, where it's like, even though they don't have as much, they still have the core of their beliefs, I thought that this was her being like, I need to get more military might. My other thing was, do we think that someone is setting up the Mandalorians after Captain Carson

sees the best car? Or is the armor working for Mofke? Gideon? Is she a sleeper agent? Wow. God damn. Charles, you are, is that a possibility that the armorer is, is, is out here working for Big Gideon for the big Moth syndicate? I mean, he blew up their, their planet. I don't, I don't really think, you know, she would be really cool. It had to take a lot for her to be like, hey, man, yeah, thanks for lowing up the spot. Let's go in cahoots together. I was, I was more so thinking, is this even the same

armor that we know. Is there, is there some switcharoos going on? Is there something? Because, like, she's just been acting so weird. She's been doing stuff that's so out of character.

I'm just like, like, even in the beginning of the season when she's just like, yeah, man or war, don't go there. There's no living waters. Fuck off, did. I'm just like,

this is like, she just seems weird. She's not acting like how she did in the earlier seasons. I think a lot of things have changed. No, I think a lot of things have changed, you know,

in terms of, you know, who really supposed to leave Vandalor, I think, you know, even she doesn't have any idea right now. So it's just, it's all up in the air and she's like reaching as Charles, right? She saw the Mithesore. Cool, go and grab our people. You're in charge.

Again, we know that doesn't really work out for Boat guitar, right? So we're going to, we're going to have to see how it all comes together with her, the armor and Den at the end at the end of the day. They're going to have to see hands on something. I mentioned to see, you know, what pushes them there? Yeah. All right, real quick, before we got out of here and get to John Wick, there's Best Car armor on the, uh, on Moff Gideon's prison transport. Okay. Charles thinks it was the armor that was there. No, I don't think it's the armor. I think, I think Moff planted it. I was just saying a theory.

Yeah, that's a plant. I thought like he might have planted that shit. He's just like, hey, fucked in. Here you, here y'all go. So now the mandolores are going to be threatened by the New Republic. incompetent nincompoops. Three episodes left. Charles, what do you need for them to land this plane successfully? We need a runway.

We need some engine. We need some wings. We damn near need a plane at this point. Wow. I think that, like, hey, Steve has been saying this all all season. Who's directing the next episode?

Because she's always had the best ones. Bryce Dallas Howard. I think that we are going to get an amazing episode. But I just think that they need to, there needs to be a lot of plot. I think we need to understand the future of Mandalor as a planet. They need to progress Grogu and Den.

We need to figure out where they exist in all of this. I think that we need to finally, if the villain is going to be Mof Gideon, just make him Mof Gideon. I'm tired of five episodes in being like, Mof Gideon, we don't know where he is. I'm just like, just show him. Like, we just know John Carlo Esposito was at Star Wars Celebration.

We know. Like, I just need them to stop teasing the shit and just do it. Like, just pull the trigger. Jummy? Man, God forbid a show, like, you know, tease out or, you know, wait to give up plot details. Not that everything needs to happen, you know. Such a small amount of time, I think, where these, this episode is going to be, like, this is why all your favorite shows get canceled, Joe.

See, now. See, that's it. Oh, my God. And I would never stick that love. They're fighting, Daddy. I would never stick that love. Charles. Why did you bring the, why you, why you, why you hit him with the, oh.

Why you did that? My neck last week and I didn't get no defense. Fuck. He did, he didn't come at your neck. You cut your head off. You got to score one for the Joan Meister right there, Chuck. Hey, it's not, hey, my hashtag isn't, uh, save Jomi, so I'm fine. Last one.

Long story. Long story short. I think we're in for some excitement between, between Moth Gideon, between Bo, between Dinn. There's a lot of cards that are set up and are getting ready to get knocked down. And it's really going to change how Dinn, in all our characters, you know, have to operate going forward. So I'm really excited to see where it goes these next year episodes. I'm locked in.

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Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Tramphiatoradio.com. All right. That is enough out of Mando. We went longer than we thought we were going on Mando, but that's okay. That happens. Now we have to talk about John Wig Ford. You guys are going to be spoilers. Because in order to talk about the movie, we have to kind of spoil it.

Oh, we could say, oh, Keanu to Reeve shot some people and that would be there, but that's not what we want to do. We want to talk about this brilliant, amazing, devastatingly gorgeous piece of destruction that is John Wickford. Okay, first thoughts on the movie, Charles. Yeah, I liked it. I think going into the theater, I do understand kind of just the outcry of support. work for this because I think after so many years of just like CGI goop and fights

that look terrible and all this shit I was very taken aback that you can see on screen how much these people care not only from a visual standpoint from just whether it is the fight choreography, whether it is the stunt work, whether it is the colors.

I was almost worried for Keanu. I'm like, this man is almost 60 bro and he's giving it his all. I do think that my wish after seeing Chapter 4 was I'm like, I wish more movies, especially action movies, cared this much. Cared about the fighting, cared about the stunts, just cared about just doing it big.

It just made me kind of rethink all of the shit that we got recently. What about you, what about you, Ben? That was fantastic. I thought that the series itself was suffering from a little bit of fatigue, from Johnwick 3 was good. Johnwick 2 was good. Those were both good movies. But the question became for me...

Chapter 2 was bad, but continue. I like the chapter 2. Chapter 3, good. The question for me was, how are they going to do something that we all know that they're going to do in a way that makes us not mind that they're doing it?

A movie, John Wick, on a mission, got to kill a lot of people. How do we continue? to do that in a way that's compelling with it being more about the fight more than just about the fighting in the action. And they did this in a very specific way. They gave us cool new characters with their own motivations, right, in their own little mini arcs. They gave us breathtaking direction. Just some of the set pieces in this movie were so fantastic. I remember there's one scene where Ian McShane, the Winston,

character is walking to a room to, walking in a room to meet the marquee. And this room is in this gigantic art gallery type of situation over in France. And he walks for so long. Across these like enormous,

beautiful paintings. Enormous beautiful paintings. He walks for so long. And you think they're giving you a, that's such, it's a show me shot. They're giving you the scale of how large that room is. And then when you see the marquee sitting in a couch in the middle of it as if he owns that room,

you think, how fucking important must this guy be to own that room? And it adds to his character, which, by the way, is another thing that this movie got right. The villain was sublime. I think maybe the best villain of like the series in terms of like... It's pretty great. Like, he was pretty great. He was, yeah. I love Scarsgarde.

My absolute favorite part about that Scarsguard is the fact that they're just like, because the movie is also like smart and also like silly because everybody's like, all right, what's his deal? He's French. All right, what's the most French bullshit we could put him in? Let's put him in a chateau with a million chandeliers and make him the sharpest dressed man on the face of the earth. What's the next thing?

He's in the middle of a stable and a bunch of French ladies are doing equestrian things with swords around him. There's no reason. And he just doesn't, it's not a thing to him. No, it's not. They're around, they're doing their sword stuff. Actually, they might be trained to be soldiers of the high table. He's just there chilling.

You know what I mean? And suits that probably were between $20,000 and $25,000. I mean, he just... Insane. The best dress character I've ever seen in any movie, I said it on Twitter and I stick by it. I've never seen a better dress character. He's got, like, Louis Vuitton, the person, chained up in a basement somewhere making those suits.

Like, it's insane. Jesus. What about slavery, Steve? All right. Stop going at Steve. I need more sparkling my suits. I need more sparkling the suits. I caught the movie in Dolby and you got to, you know, when a movie, like an action

movie like this, you got to see it in the best audio quality you can. And I'm sitting there, man. And the movie opens and he's punching that, uh, that wicker thing. Oh my God, that startled the shit out of me first. I was like, oh, this is going to be special right now. This is a movie, fin be special. And deliver. Can I ask why they let that thing on fire, though?

Because it looked cool? I just look dope. Here's the beautiful thing about that I've loved about everything after the first John Witt. And it's actually the antithesis as to why I love the first one the most. Everything is pole vaults over the top for this world that, in of assassins and international things. Like, this is a world that still works in wax seals and ink on parchment to declare a duel to the death.

Like, there's this weird, like, this may as well be Assassin's Creed. Like, there's this secret society of wonderfully elaborate chateaus and mansions where people with family sigils and Russian families brand each other. Like, it's absurd. The thing about, like, this first John Wick and what we were. was so, so beautiful about it is that the first John WIC kind of exists a legacy sequel to a series of movies that never happened. Everybody knows John Wick, but we never, like, actually get to know him. This world is already established, but we're just kind of seeing little peaks and snippets into it.

As two and all the way to four moves on, you get to, you get the sense of what that world is before we're ever introduced to John Wick in that first one. In a weird way, I would want to watch chapters two through four before I see the first John Wick, if that ever makes sense. Because again, it's the idea that the first John Wigg is this. Because that, that move, those movies work as sort of establishing who he is even more than the first one. And the first one, it's kind of like a smaller, more intimate story. Exactly. Because in the first one, he is this legendary mythic killer that everybody knows, that nobody wants to fuck with,

that just saying his name will allow some John Liguizamo to hit your kid. Like, that's the coolest thing ever. And now seeing two through four, we just get these balls to the wall, incredible action sequences. And the care and, like, discretion

that you know in the action is because this is, like, the ultimate case for letting stunt coordinators direct films. It's directed by Chad Zahelski. Legendary stunt performer and coordinator has done tons of stuff. Another case that can be applied to this is extraction.

The stunt coordinator for the Avengers films directed that. Another great action film. This one is like, okay, give us everything you got for this. Like the moment, like the last hour of this is just nonstop. It becomes the Warriors. It becomes like John Wick versus all of Paris. Every different gang has a different set piece. You have the Arc de Triumph.

You have all of these amazing things. It's an incredible movie. I was going to ask y'all with this really quick. I'm going to be a hater real quick. Did John Wick become a tad unlikable in this movie if you think about it long enough? Because when Rea Samayama's character

is just like to her dad, like, yo, this man just brings death. Can you not bring him in here? And I'm just like, I was like, do you just promise this girl that she would get revenge? And he's just like, oh, fuck it, forget it. And I'm just like, bro, like, John,

you got to stop going to your friends. You get them all killed. This is why I had a problem with the, my main problem is with the end of the movie. Yes. Because of the point you, Jeff. So my main problem is with the end of the movie because if John Wick is dead,

if John Wick is dead, then for all of this to make sense, so John Wick, his wife is dead, he got a lot of his friends killed. William DeFoe was killed he got his boy killed in this movie Lance Reddick killed RIP legendary

legendary actor It hurts so much watching It's RIPP Lance Reddy John has to survive In my opinion He has to survive Like he has to survive

Then it makes him even more of a villain And if all of his friends are, I'm serious, if all of his friends, John's getting his revenge. So to me, either, let me clean this up, either John had to destroy the high table, take them all out, and die doing it, right? Or he had to live. Because if not, then all of the carnage is for nothing. He's not exactly killing the people that killed his dog and stole his car anymore. those people have been dead. Now he's in this sort of intractable,

unsolvable war against the high table. And yeah, he killed the marquee, but there'll just be somebody else right there. The high table goes on. So if John dies, then the movies are really for nothing. And that's why I keep looking back on the first one and feel like it's a real tragedy after this first one. because there's so many warnings about John doing this again.

There's so many times that people are like, you're doing this again, like you got out, like you had it all, like you're done. Like nothing should ever give you back into this life, ever again. And the moment that he like ends the first film,

you think that this, like, if there was never ever a John Wick again, this would have been like a nice thing for him, a good thing. for him to, like, live a life that, like, he was allowed to grieve for. But instead, it's just getting worse and worse with every single subsequent chapter. And now it's like the only, like, now in the theme that they keep reinforcing in this one is, like, the only escape you have now is death.

It doesn't matter what you can do. May as well make it as good as you can when you go out. Kill as many as possible. Do you guys think that the, that he's actually dead? Hell no. That's all about saying. Like, y'all are like, man, he's dead. He's not dead.

There's no shot. No. Very unceremonious of an ending. $200 million next weekend. We're going to get John Wick 5 in 2026. Like, it's all, let's all brief. I agree. You most likely are getting chapter 5, but watching this house like,

man, Kianu, bro, like just go to the cottage. And I don't know how you top some of the shit in this, man. I really don't know. This is what you do. My boys. what you should do. Ring, ring, ring. Hey, what's up?

Keanu? It's me, Keanu. Can I get Tom Cruise? Please, we need to talk. We need to talk business. Do not put Tom Cruise in these movies. Here's the thing. You don't need to put Tom Cruise in a movie,

but hey, man, we've been watching Mission Impossible go crazy or level every time the movie come out. You know what I'm saying? All you got to do is like, hey, how do I, how do I trump, you know, falling down 12 flights of stairs? Right. Do you really think that Tom Cruise is going to play

second film to Keanu reads like i didn't say tom cruise in the movie like hey man tom cruise every time you do a movie every time you do much possible you go from you know one crazy flying off a plane to jump it out of a helicopter to to ride off a cliff on a on a

motorcycle how do I elevate you know you know a little actor to actor you know conversation what i'm trying to say is I think of course they can up the stakes they've done it for the last three movies right you give give those guys you give the john wick team a couple years I think they could cook up something cool.

Like, I'm not worried about that. When they come back, John has to be fighting for something now. Like, John has to be either fighting to take down the high table or even to be the leader of the high table because he's back in it. He has to destroy the high table. I think that might be the last thing, like, get rid of all the 12th, like, just call it. All right, we got a couple categories here to talk about this movie. First of all, best action set piece.

These are the nominees. The sacralic clue, stairs, those stairs, those, those, good. The art did triumph car battle. The Osaka Continental fight. The abandoned buildings with the firework guns, the Dragon's Breath, or the waterfall nightclub.

I'm going first. There's no competition. It is the guns. Abandon building? I call it the Hotline Miami. Yeah, the Haleigham. Yeah. The overhead shot with the Dragons. It was

fucking breathtaking. I thought I was losing my mind. Like, it kept going. It's like they, when they had the Dragon's Breath stuff, I was like, oh, okay, something to shoot through these ridiculous suits that stopped the bullets and whatever. And I'm looking at that. And then he picks it up.

It's so beautiful, so nuts. It's so crazy. The theater was going, it was so nuts. That's my answer. And it's the fact that it does it again because you think, like, because it cuts away after that, like, what feels like five minutes of a straight overhead crane shot to like a couple of other like transition shots. And then it does it again the second time because there's somebody new in the room. And I was like, I was losing my mind. I was like, I can't stop thinking about this because

you could see those incendiary rounds just go like through the walls over the table. Like it's insane. When he was like in the kitchen and like the two guys were like flanking him and like they were over the table and like you just shot under the table and it just came out oh my god like i'm gonna be thinking about that shot for so long that was incredible i could see behind the scenes documentaries of that for three hours of how they pulled that off i'm going off with that that scene to me is like easily number one but a close number two my i've never heard a theater grown like i've heard people like yeah da da when john falls down the south all the way down the steps there was an audible like I'm like, come on, man.

It was tough. He falls, then he falls again, he falls all the way down to the bottom. I'm like, God. Damn. But when Donnie Yen, like, shows up, the cheers, I was like, fuck yes. Like, let's fucking go.

Now I'm with, I'm the, the Hotline Miami fight. That was the coolest thing. For me, if I had to, like, you know, think of something else, it would be the Osaka continent. into because that like lock me in. And the shot where the guy gets shot in the knee with the arrow,

but he's still alive and he's trying to shoot John. And then John cap him and his body go limp. And you see like him just knee just hanging from the arrow. Oh, man. That was tough. Crazy. The numchucks. The numchucks was great.

Come on, man. That shit kept going too. I was like, oh my God. How many got you thrown at him right now? Wait, really quick. This isn't a big one. But when Donnie Yen, I was like, what is this world? fucking doing when he starts pacing the shit?

Oh yeah, the doorbell? And they were making sounds. Wait a minute. So dumb. And it was a ding, don't. And they were making, that was nuts. Right. All right.

Next category is how did you survive that? The nominees are John falling out of the abandoned building. Killer throwing John into a steel girder. John falling down hundreds of stairs. Okay. I am going to go with John falling out of the building. That was rough. That's a broken back, guys.

Okay. No, you're dust. Yeah, that's, that's it. Well, here's the thing about that. He didn't even just, he ran and jumped out that bitch. Right. No, and I guess my thing is, John has a lot of trust. Because that nigga John will jump out of some shit.

Yeah. It's not like he has the bat suit on. Yeah, it's not like he has the bat suit on. he's got a suit. You would have thought, you would have thought, because here's my thing, the one thing we got to stop in the John Wick movies is when he pulls up the coat.

I'm like, that coat ain't doing all that with all these bullets, bro. Like, what are we doing? That's the Black Panther suit. Like, because they can absorb the whole car. Yeah, that's what they make Batman's a cowl out of, man. You know, it's the same material.

And you just got to believe it's in the world. You got to believe it. I forgot about the magic suits from three because they could just like line an entire suit with Kevlar and like it doesn't. I'm like, okay, maybe protect your head a little bit. Like, wear a Kevlar. He's a mask.

A luchel mask. A luchel mask. I think I got to go with when Killet throws him off the fucking set, like the balcony and he hits the steel thing. And it's like thud and then he hits the ground. I was like, bro, he's not getting back up. Like, there's just no way he's getting it. Remember when we just thought like in Johnwick one where he was just tossed off the balcony in that club?

Like, and he just lands on his back. like, oh, he's done. Like, there's no way. But now we're just throwing him out of buildings. Wait, in the last movie, didn't Winston push him off the top of the Continental. Like, and he hits like three of fire escapes on the way down. Man,

invisible. For me, it's got to be, it's got to be the stairs. Stairs suck. When he went down to stairs, I was like that. Yeah, bro. They got my mask.

There's no way. You can survive stairs, though. You can survive stairs. You can survive. He survives the stairs. Well, stone stairs. I felt. fell down some stairs as a cage.

It hurts. My whole thing was... Be 60 and fall down stairs. I was like, he didn't bang his elbow not one time. Like, that hurt. I thought his neck was a little break, man. No, no, he fell down. He fell down.

He fell down. He was good. All right. God. All right. Steve, what's yours? The stairs? For me, it's the stairs.

And it might not have been, like, other than John falling down those stairs, seeing all of those stunt dudes just throw themselves, like off a whole flight. over a whole flight to get off of that. That felt so painful to me. All right.

Most valuable assassin not named John Wake. This is a great category. These are the nominees. Kane, Donnie Inn. Mr. Nobody. Shamir Anderson. Killer Harkin.

Scott Atkins. Great to see a guy in a fat suit kick like that. Cojee? How do you say these names? I don't know how to say these names. Hi, Hiro Yuki, Hiro Yuki Sanada. Yeah.

Koji Hiro Yuki Sanada. Akira. Rina Sawaliyama. They were the father and daughter. Father daughter. Yeah. Love them.

Okay. So it's not them. They weren't. Okay. There's only one. There's only one right answer. It's cane. Yeah.

It has to be came. I will say I did like Mr. nobody. though. He was cool. I didn't like Mr. Nobody at all. Really? Why? All right. First of all, first of all, first of all, let's be real. When he goes

to the marquee and he lets his hand get stabbed and like John would never let this happen. Why do black man got a fault? Like, come on. John, let them cut his finger off. Whoa, that's different. That's different. Because he had to. He had to get his finger off. Yeah, but this was like what? It's the same thing. No, it's not

because he, because here's the thing. Kane, Donnie, again is like to Mr. Nobody's like, hey, man, don't go in there. And like, Mr. Nobody's like, fuck you. And he goes in there and the marquee gets the drop on him. I'm just like, bro, why does a black man got to be the stupid one? Like, he should, he, he should have known. Maybe. Maybe you're, maybe you're right.

I did like how he chose, like, at the last minute to put on a vest because he didn't want to screw up his hipster fit until, the vest was cool at him. I liked his dog. The dog was great. dog was cool. Don't give your dog's beer, though. I was just like, man, don't give your dog's beer.

That's right. You don't want to do that. But it's Kane, though. It's Kane, because Donnie N, I've said this on Twitter before Matt. Donnie N is the greatest on-screen martial artists that I've ever seen, in my opinion. And I'm compared, I have everybody in there.

I like him better than Jackie Chan. I like him better than one of my idols. When I say on-screen martial artist, I don't mean overall martial artists because some people mean as much to martial arts off screen as they do on screen and that's what Bruce Lee was. But Donnie N to me is the man.

He's almost 62. These are some old-ass motherfuckers killing? And these some old motherfuckers is killing in this movie. Oh, you got to respect Hiroyuki though. You got to respect my man's. I suspect Koji. Coj is putting in work.

You know, like it's tough because we saw him in the end game. You know, basically same thing. He got chopped up. You're punished. You know what I mean? Every movie. It's tough.

He's a, he's, they bring him in there and then he gets his ass cut up. We need to cut his ass to fuck up. You know what? We need to see my homie. We got to see him in Gosa, Sushima. He got to be the uncle if y'all played that game. Chad Sehelsky on track to direct that game adaptation. Come on, man.

He didn't get cut up in Bullet Train. That's fair. By the way. Underrated. Bullet Train is great. It was fine. Whoa, whoa, whoa, bullet train is not under. I love bullet train.

It was hard. It was far. Fairly rated. I love bullet trains. You're not seeing the vision. Come on, man. Y'all got to open your eyes. Open your eyes to some fun.

It was fun. It was fun. It was fine. It was fine. It was all right. It was underrated. Rated properly. Bullet train.

Can I throw one more category into this that just came in my mind? Throw the category. Just throw it. Worst on screen death in this movie. Who got it the hardest? Ooh. Does John count because when he died or, quote, died? I was like, this bullshit.

I was like, I wasn't even sad. I was just like, fuck this. I was like, John Wig's not dead. But let me think of another one. Maybe the Marquis heavy. That guy got him pretty bad. Yeah, that guy. Yeah.

You got pissed on. You got pissed on. And he got his nuts out. Yeah. By a dog. The Marquis heavy, that was pretty bad. But also, Scott Atkins, the killer fell off the stairs. I thrown off some stairs and like his head shoved into his body.

That was fucked. What about the dude that Akira stabbed a hundred times trying to get... Oh, she was like climbing him like that. That was tough. Hey, brother, Marquis had some big motherfuckers working for him. Those guys were gigantic. You know what I'm saying? Like the Marquis had some gigantic guys.

I was like, is that the same guy? I was like, no, it's a different guy. I was like, this nigga got the fucking Ravens' offensive line. out there. No. All right. So my, sorry,

my pick, it's the beginning. It's when the Paris basically finale starts. And he takes the car and he's like, he's got the door open and a dude is hanging on to the door and he backs up into a light pole with the dude in it. And it was like so,

it like it would have chopped him in half. Like that was the worst. I was like, oh God, that was so bad for me. You know, people talk about how many times John killed. somebody in this movie. You know what? I want to

count I want to count his reloads because he is cycling his weapons and reloading them for real. When he's out, he's, when he's out, he's out, he's out. And sometimes

he'll be out and he'll fuck somebody up in a different way. He'll commandeer somebody else's weapon, use it for a little while. When he goes back to his primary weapon, he reloads that motherfucker. Wait, my question for y'all, let's say we're in the John Wick universe and we're all assassins

what number does that shit need to get to where you're leaving, like you're just like all right, I'll try my shot, even if you know you're going to die. At John Wick? Yeah. John Wick? I mean, I'm going to be honest.

I'll be honest with you. For me, I don't understand where the rocket launch is at. I was not fucking rock. I was thinking that little movie. They always come up to John Wick, they want to fight John Wick with a sword and shoot at him with a Glock 9.

If I was an assassin in the Continental, I would be rocket launcher man. And it would be like, hey, kill John Wick. No problem. Find John Wick, shoot rocket launcher at John Wick. R.P.G. His ass.

Because nothing else is going to work. They do... Poison food. Nobody uses any... That's not going to work. I mean, Dan, I'm of a similar mind. Grenadesians? What are they using Breaking Bad, the rice in? I would go to his favorite diner.

Like, I would, like, put, like, be, like, his favorite spot. Just be, like, his favorite waiter. Get his trust. And I'm just going to sprinkle his little shit on his morning eggs. Can I ask you guys a question? In four movies, have y'all seen John eat? Here's what I know that I haven't seen him do. Get on a plane.

Because he is flying throughout the world. He got on the plane. He got on the plane when he flew to, because he had to fly to to fucking Italy. I mean, he goes to Italy, goes to Tokyo,

goes to Germany, goes to France. Well, obviously he got on a plane. He doesn't walk, Steve. John Wick got a PJ, Steve. Yeah, what are you talking? The JW PJ?

Yeah. Come on. It had to be a couple, I mean, they was talking like $25 million. If it's John Wick, man,

I'm not waking up for anything more, less than 50, my boy. Then I start to think about it because I'm not dying for 25 minutes. Shoot him with a rocket launcher. I,

unless he's clean his body, though? Like, if you're falling. away? Can you claim it? If there's a fucking It's like It's like if there's a

It bruh Shoot them with a rocket launcher I'm like where the grenades At throw a grenade at this nigga Like he Like nobody They had all of these special fucking weapons

Nothing heavy Throw a grenade at him I'm not getting near him I'll tell you I'm not getting near John Wick You get near him He takes your weapon sticks up your ass

All right midnight meter For me Johnwick 4 is in 11 Okay It's not a 12th it was between 10 and 11 Mm-hmm Johnwick 4 is in 11

I like it I like it Johnnick 4 is in 11 Yeah All right Charles I'm gonna give this a very very because we can't give it

half grades I can get this a very very strong eight Nice Jomey I'm giving it a 10 All right I'm giving this a 10 as well

Having seen all of the recent John of the John Wick films recently Like this is up there as one of the best ones. It's not going to take it over the top for one for me, but this is the second best one. This might be the second best one.

I think the first one is an 11. The first one is a 12. Yeah, I say the first one is a 12. Here's my thing about the reason why the first John Wick is perfect to me. Masterpiece. Oh yeah. The reason why, so

there's nothing that compares they did something, that in movies, it's hard to do. They set something up and they delivered it. So John is going through all of these things, and he's broken and weak, right? He's weak, the entire first part of the movie, weak. He's in, I wouldn't call it. He's vulnerable, should I say.

I don't mean it could abuse vulnerability with weaknesses. No, he's vulnerable. He is driving his pain away in his car. He's got the dog. He doesn't know how to do anything with the dog, right? he's learning all of this stuff. And we keep hearing about what a badass, that guy that we see doesn't look like he's in control of anything in his life.

We keep hearing what a badass he is after it happens. And you think there's no way he's going to be able to live up to the reputation that we just heard about him. Like, even there's just no way. And then he, when he springs in the action, you're like, fuck. That first scene where the guy's coming to his house and he kills. and then he jumps over the thing and he looks around. I'm like, yo, what the fuck is this?

And shooting people through walls and the whole nine. I've literally never had an experience like that in the movies because it was completely unexpected. And it just doesn't matter what they do. They can't recreate that. Yes, completely agree. No matter what they could create. You know what I mean?

So you may as well just make the craziest action scenes you've ever seen. Just go nuts. Yeah, and they did. You know, just go nuts. Okay. So 11 for me, the first was 12, but 11 for me, eight for Charles and two tens. Okay. I'm not, by the way, for all you people out there, I'm not changing my John Wicks score.

That's fair. I've seen the movie three. I will be changing one score this year. I've seen the movie. Charles is right. Three times. So wait, you're making that claim right now when we rescore everything, you're not changing. I'm not changing my John Wicks score.

There's nothing that can change it. Right. The movie, like, I've seen the movie three times. there's. Three times? It just came out. Did you see it every single day? Yep.

Wow. I respect it. He's locked it. Yeah, he is. Also, guys, I've, you know, I've stopped, you know, I've like, the Vivance has me this is me on Vyvance. This is me on. Ah!

So I just got, sometimes I got a chill. Wait, really, really quick, Van, since you've seen it three times, Sean Wick chapter four, Top Gun Maverick. Johnwood Chapter 4 is better than Top Gun Maverick. Wise. That's not true. That's not true. That's crazy.

That's not true. You ask me my opinion. That's your opinion. Chapter 4 is good, but better than Top Gun Maverick? You asked me my opinion. Johnwick, Chapter 4. By the way, this is a design of our wheelhouse, but midnight court. But you guys, but you guys ask me, and remember now, I love Top Gun Madden.

Top Gun Madden. Man. Boom. Talk Dog Macon Mad. I love Top Gun Madden. I love Top Gun Madden. I'm a Maverick, but John Wick is more my kind of movie. I get it.

I get it. John Wick is more my kind of movie. I'm a martial arts movie guy. It's more, it's more my kind of movie. Okay, we get it. That's a wrap. Follow us on socials, instant, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save. Jomi's job. Our Mando coverage is in full effect. This Friday and every Friday, the House of Our

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Ram Gapal. Charles, take us out. Is John Wick dead? I guess we'll see. And for all those who are tired of being on top, make sure to rest those knees. Too! You know what? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Wait till we find out that Grief Carg and Finn are related. It's just, relax. Relax. You know what? They all from one family, bro. That would be hilarious. Wait, can we?

Can we just be? They all, bro, that would be, think about it. Grief Carga, Lando, Finn, they're all from one family. We go to their family union and everybody's there. You know what I'm saying? That's funny. I would funny to me. That's the type of shit I would do.

If I can just shit on The Rise of Skywalker one more time, the biggest bullshit in that entire movie was I'm just like, how you have this black woman in the Star Wars movie and then she's just like, hey, yo, I think we related, Lando. I'm like, what the? To your point, how many black people are in this fucking universe where you just meet a black person be like, yeah, I think we're related. I know Keller and Beck and Mace Windu cousins. Oh, for sure.

I'm a show. Even if it's not real cousin, cousins, like that's the, oh, man, that was the bro from wait. Man, you know what he's. Do you think Mace hooked him up? He's just like, hey, oh, I got an end. You know, just like, what fun's your? See, that's what happened, bro.

Yeah. Mace was, Mace was like, that's my sister's boy right there. Yeah. Mace, you're not supposed to be, Mace, you're not supposed to be talking to your sister. Yeah, but I felt him when he was born. You know what I mean? I was like, that's another one.

Because the force runs in our family, and, you know, we're good at sports. So, like, I felt them. You do it. And that was my sister's boy. I had to look out for him. You know, we ain't seen him until now. But he was trying to dress like me. He got the whole ball type of the situation.

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