The Ringer-Verse - 'The Marvels' Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

The Midnight Boys are here to go higher, further, and faster with their instant reactions to 'The Marvels' (04:37). They break down their thoughts on the awaited Marvel installment and their thoughts on its three main superhero leads. Then they talk about how the film's comedy and charm can elevate and at times hinder the film (57:42). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and come back and tell you guys whether or not we agree with what they said. That's what they do. Yes. Dude. Honestly, we should just start having like Avengers Assembles meeting before we talk about any MCU shit

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can we get to the Marvels, bro? Wimby. Let us cook. This is the Midnight Boys. On Sunday, Splash Page Return. as Jess breaks down all of the Easter eggs in Locke's finale. Splash page with Jess.

On Monday, buttonmash returns with their look at Modern Warfare 3 as well as House of Ours deep dive on the marbles. Now look, I'm going to be on this button mash Modern Warfare 3 podcast. I'm very excited about it. Talked to Ben Lindbergh last night as being walked through Central Park together.

He showed me around Central Park. He showed me a big open field. And we're walking and talking. I'm going to be on this podcast. It's very amazing. Today's show, though. Today's show, guys, we're back. We're back in the Marvel theatrical saddle.

And we can't wait. We're going to give our instant reactions to the latest in the triumphant run of the MCU, which we all love. The movie is called The Marvels. And it is a marvel to behold. We're going to be giving you our instant reactions. And we're going to be doing something else, guys. We're going to be spoiling stuff.

Everything in the MCU, everything in the comics, everything in your group chats, everything in your hearts. It's getting spoiled. Steve, give me my Warner. Let's get going. We're getting ready to talk about the marvels. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Okay, now before we do any of this amazing stuff that we're about to do,

we have to put you in the know. And only one person can do this. The brains of the Midnight Boys. Code Baby Chuck. It's going to do that by giving you the Midnight Manifest. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the Marvels, directed by Nia Acosta, written by Nia Dacosta, Megan McDonald, and Alyssa Karrasic, starring Bree Larson, Tiana Paris, and Amon Valani.

We begin with Darbin, the new Milton ruler of the Cree, who finds a Quanta band, which will give her the power to restore her homeworld after Captain Marvel unwittingly destroyed its ecosystem in the events of the first movie. Unfortunately, Darben's use of the Quana Bands has the unintended side effect of connecting Carol Danvers, Kamala Khan, and Monica Rambo's powers. Thus, our three heroes undertake a mission to stop Darben from robbing various worlds of their atmosphere, oceans, and sun. In the process, Kamala learns to treat Carol like an actual person. Carol shares why she couldn't face Monica after the shame of becoming the Kree's annihilator, and Monica comes to term with the pain of losing her mom. Meanwhile,

Nick Fury and Kamala's family must save a failing saver station with the help, a goose, and its flurken baby horde. In the climax of the film, Darbent steals Kamala's band, opening a hole between universes, but dying in the process. Monica sacrifices herself to close it, and Carol moves back to Louisiana to try to regain a more human life. But in the post credits, Kamala recruits Kamaher's Kempishap into the Young Avengers, and Monica wakes up in a new universe to meet Kelsey Grender's Beast, and an alternate reality version of her mom, who is this universe's binary, an older code name for Captain Marvel in the 616 universe, and that has been your Midnight Manifest for The Marvels.

Instant reactions to the Marvels. A tight 145. Tight, tight. Okay. Chuck, your first. As always, go. You know, I just, I really want to say a shout out to the sisters, you know, doing their thing, Rosa Parks, Kamala Harris, you know.

Rose Parks. Shout out to all the strong women out there. Oh my God. That really paid the way. Rosa Parks. Wait, Charles, top five women. Just go right now. Top five.

Don't get me in trouble, Steve. 12 out of 12 on the midnight meter movie event of the season. Are you going to attempt to podcast? Fucking do the thing, bro. Like, just, are you going to go to? We're holding trials in contempt of court. Are you going to attempt to podcast?

No, nigga. Okay, out of here. Do the... Steve's finger is hovering over the button. I'm not doing that shit today. No, no, no, no. Talk about what you thought about the movie. This is the instant reaction podcast. React.

Like, do your job. Movies are hard to make. And I will just say, Jomey was sitting next to me in the movie theater, which was the worst plan we ever could have made. And I knew we were just, I knew we were cooked. The minute Samuel Jackson was like, Black Girl Magic to see all to Paris.

Like, don't I was like, you were trying to motivate her to fly. And you wouldn't know anything about trying to motivate her a black woman, Charles. He was trying to motivate her to fly. So he was trying to, sometimes with the sisters, you got to give them that, you got to let them know that you, that you got their back. So he was like your own to the same. There's black girl magic when I walk out of my hotel today. Nah, I don't do that.

Nah, that's a bad idea, bro. I don't do that. They'll look at you like you crazy. So I'm assuming, Charles, that you didn't enjoy the Marvels. All right, so here's what I will say. Yeah, give us an actual take. For any bad faith, like actors who are just like, oh, Charles is about to like fucking shit on this movie.

Like, the Marvels was better than I thought it was, but he's completely, it is tied, in my opinion, for the last two or three years of Marvel movies where underwhelming, very messy, chaotic, and gives credence to my belief that I don't know if the MCU knows

how to make actual movies anymore. The way that this movie was cut together was very odd. I was watching scenes throughout this whole thing and feeling like, wait, where's the rest of the scene? Where's the rest of this character's arc? this is the shortest Marvel movie, I believe, to date.

And I felt that because there were so many things on screen that I liked. There was humor. There was certain humorous things that I liked, certain story beats that I thought were interesting. But instead of giving us the complete package, it was like, all right, no, we have to get to a joke, or we have to get to this set piece. And I just left feeling empty. And I kind of just put this movie in the same bucket that I put.

quantum mania or multiverse of madness or Thor where I see what y'all are trying to do, but it's just not working at all. So this is the first time that I'm going to actually ask you for an example of that. And the only reason why I'm asking you for an example is because I think it's important that when we're when we're criticizing the MCU, you know, as an overall thing, I think it's important for us as people because the internet gives us carte blanche to be critical of almost everything.

Everything in very, very nebulous, amorphous ways. I don't like this. This is wrong. This is bad. I think we should all, as people, be more direct with our praise, but also be more direct with our criticism. So in this particular instance,

if you can conjure anything, if you can remember anything, when you're talking about scenes, places, arcs, things that that nature that didn't work for you because you felt like they were half played. Like, what specifically are you meaning? Just so people know.

What I thought was interesting about the film was Captain Marvel's journey, I was like, oh, it is so interesting that basically she is space, she's us. She is the most powerful character in this universe now. And her villain is upset with her because the first time Captain Marvel really takes the reins in the first movie,

she basically causes a genocide. Like, she destroys an entire world. She's called the annihilator now. And I thought that was a very interesting character motivation to be like, okay, what happens when you are granted all of these powers? And when you try to be a diplomat, you lose lives. When Miss Marvel, for the first time

seeing her hero have to make a difficult choice, the type of choice that people in the armed forces make all the time, which is we need to save the people that we can save, and we need to keep moving until we have mission accomplishment. I was like, all that works. But Brie Larson is an Oscar winner, and when they go to that planet that's just fields,

and she starts acting, I'm like, oh, we missed a couple of beats where she's just like, yeah, they call me the annihilator, and this is my problem, and this is everything that's been happening. I did not feel it emotionally. I felt like she was phoning it in, And then Miss Marvel is like, yeah, I guess I should have treated you more like a person instead a celebrity. I was like, wait, where were the emotional beats to get us to this point?

There was just so much action and so much comedy. And I was like, no, we're missing like 20 minutes of the movie where Kamala, like when Kamala sees all of these scrolls dying, she feels it. She's like, oh my God, she's a teenager like, oh, my God, this is what happens when we fail as heroes. And then five seconds later, she's fine and doing finger guns next to Miss Marvel.

I mean, next to Captain Marvel. And I was like, either something was cut from this movie. They thought that we weren't intelligent enough as an audience to want those things. But I really was like, okay, just give me the emotional part

without any of the jokes, please. Okay. I agree. Is that fair or am I? No, I agree. I specifically thought that that scene, first of all, I really enjoyed the movie. Like, I really did.

I think I enjoyed the movie so much for two reasons. Number one, the movie didn't give me an opportunity to go, hey, this sucks. It really didn't. Normally in these films when you're watching them, they're so long that they have to give you a lot of movie because they're such big events that you can feel when the film isn't filming. You're getting a moment where you go, wait a minute. We've been to a couple of different places here, and either I don't care about what's happening or there's nothing fun happening on the screen.

And what they essentially did, the movie isn't perfect, right? And the story does get subverted a little bit for the purpose of giving you stuff. But in a sparse, almost dumbed down way, it worked. It worked here. It worked here for me. It was like, okay, well, they have,

intense chemistry with their three leads. Like, that really worked. The three leads have intense chemistry. And you have one of the leads that has completely figured out how to own her character. Bree Larson still doesn't have Captain Marvel down. And it's actually pretty, it's remarkable in a way. She still doesn't have command of Captain Marvel. You still don't kind of know what Captain Marvel is, how she looks at things, whether

she's a gruff, worn, torn, war-torn, super-powerful being that is traipsing around the universe, the galaxy, almost begrudgingly having to get this burden off. And that means that she misses home. And that means that she's not a full person. And that means that these connections make her a full person. They're eating around the edges of that. But Bree kind of doesn't have whatever you would need to have in that character to kind of take you there. but Miss Marvel is so delightful

and Tiana Paris is so delightful and the three of them together made Brilard since Captain America excuse me Captain Marvel it gave her a little bit more form and a little bit more function as the veteran as the person that's been around as the person that's taken something

that the gumbo of it to me worked however that specific scene when that scene came I went man because I thought, like you thought, that what was going to happen there was that Ms. Marvel was going to see that being a hero is not all that it's cracked up to be, that people will still die,

that it's not something for teen bop or for e-news. It's not all about posters and conventions. It's about real life and death decisions. And then by the time we got to the end of the movie, that would finish her hero's journey as she either learned about sacrifice or learned about what real heroism is and they just went, I'm sorry, and moved on.

And I was like, damn, I really didn't expect that. However, I will say this, if the aesthetic and the feeling and the chemistry and dare I say, the pluck oh, of a movie what a turn, can actually sell a movie it worked here. It worked here for me because to me,

I just had fun so much in the movie. I had fun so much in the movie. I'll be honest with you. I did not think in any way this movie could be good and I fucking dug it. I'll just be real. Sorry. Van, are you saying that Kamala Khan and Miss Marvel is the first instance of pluck that you enjoyed? She mastered the pluck. She's not a pluck master.

She, I want to hug her. She is nice. She's a cool little kid. She is like she is a cool little kid. She's an awesome little kid when it's when it's when it's when it's when it's when it's when it's fragile. She's fragile like I liked the pluck Miss Marvel and this movie was filmed before Miss Marvel, right? Or was it after Miss. I feel like it was at least in tandem.

I feel like Kamala Khan is a character for the big screen because there was so much of what didn't working Miss Marvel for me that worked in this movie, I really dug it, bro. All the way up to the last scene when, you know, Jomey probably lost it in the movie theater. All the way up to the last thing, I really felt like it was dope.

So the milk merchant is back, bro. That's not even... That's an egregious, bro. That shit was... First of all. Nah, because I saw... Jomey was like, you know Jomey loves everything. And this was the first time I was like, yo, Jomey might think

this movie is mid. The minute Haley was on that screen, bro. That shit was nasty. That's not exactly what happened. Men boys. What did you guys think? I liked it. I really did, to be honest with you. You're such a fucking liar, John. Can I speak?

Why don't you let him podcast? Charles. Can I speak? Button on it. So like, we can't do the thing, Charles. Charles, if you hate the stuff, that's one thing. We can't do the thing where no one else is allowed to like it. We can't fake the funk because what's the first thing you said to me after the movie ended, Jomey? Again, I'm trying to, can I, can I speak?

Can I let me talk? All right, go, go. Shut up, Charles. Shut up. The first 15 minutes, I was like, I don't know. It like was like very choppy, very, uh, un, like, just undercooked, really. And I was, I was, again, I'm sitting in Charles. I'm like, man, it's my.

this might be done so and then over like the last like the best of the last 60 minutes it kind of rounds in the form and you can see what was happening like what the vision was you know and then you add upon you add miss marvel to the whole thing the MVP of the movie by far she was like funny she was like honestly like the like the best part of the film and i sat there and i was like is this the best more than we've ever seen? No. Like, far and away, not. You know?

Like, very, very, very mids. But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. When I turned to Jovey, he was like, that was mid. That was mid. That was hell of me. You're like you just snuck in the very mids at the end.

I was like, this is incredible. I turned to Charles like, you know, man, this is crazy mids. But the more I think about it, the more like the stuff that worked in the film works for me a lot. I really, again, I really enjoyed the humor to Vance point. The three of them together had so much chemistry, had so much energy.

Like, you almost like, I was like, hey, man, is Brie Larson better this time than the first movie? I think she was because she actually had people to play off of, right? And Tiana Paris and Iman, Amon Valani were great. So I think I'm like, yeah, this is not the best one of me ever sat down to watch. But in terms of, did I enjoy, did I have a good time? Well, yeah. Which is, Steve.

I would agree as well. I came at the end of this movie thinking that there was like actually hope for all of the elements that we had going for this. Like, again, I think we could all say that we were really nervous about what was going to be coming out of this movie when we sat down before we saw it. And then like you said, Van, this movie moves at a pace that does not allow you to. not even hate on it, but kind of really ultimately sit back and not really enjoy anything because at all times you are propulsively moving forward in some way.

Albeit it's not the best way that Marvel has ever paced a movie, but I'm really kind of thankful that they actually kind of had the courage to step up and like whittle away at things that seemed even more unnecessary than most? Because I could only imagine if this movie was given like two and a half hours to breathe how we'd be thinking about it now.

Because we've seen so many movies that we wished were so much shorter and so much less on its mind and less to do. This was a very straightforward story for the most part. This was a pretty easy time

at the movies. And I don't think we've gotten that out of Marvel for a very long time. So I was ultimately refreshed by what I got. But yes, it's missing a lot. And then occasionally it's absolutely absurd and insane in good and bad ways. But I really did have a lot of great time with this. Do you know part of the reason why the Marvel movies have been so difficult for us is our fault?

Yes. Part of it's our fault. Part of it is part of it. It's true, Charles. Part of the reason why the movies are so difficult now, it's our fault. And as fans, we should be willing to take a little bit of the responsibility for this. Let me tell you what I mean.

So it's not that the movies are great. The movies are not great, and the TV shows suck. Okay. Let's keep it real. The TV shows suck. I'll address something. I did give Moon Night and Eighth. You did?

You did? I did. Y'all, transparent van. Just make me transnational. Translucent right now. Vance parent. Vance parent. I don't know why I did that.

Wow. Seriously, all just aside, I apologize to the audience of the podcast. It's very brave. Wow. This is incredibly brave. This is massive. Wait, wait, wow. Hold on, hold on.

I'm not the one of all of us that can't admit when he's wrong. I'm the one that lives with a woman and has to do it hourly. Okay. Wow. So, jeez. Hourly? My nigger. Okay.

All right. Like, it's, there's a thing where it's like, hey, just take, hey, baby, I was wrong. I was wrong. Like, you told me to take Bozeman out. I'm trying to find the next prowler stash. And you, you ask you to take them out. I didn't do it. I'm wrong.

I'm sorry. And that's on me. It's not on her. It's on me. But anyway. So I'll say this about the movies. I'll say that Marvel's had or had

back in the Infinity Saga days a tried and true formula to making the film. And there were some films that were perfect. There were some films that were really good. And then there were some films that just did the job. Very few of them,

we were just wondering why was this movie made? Like what was the perfect? of making this movie. And that's because the MCU, in my opinion, at that point, felt like a comic book where every page flip had to matter. Every single thing had to matter. Every single thing had to be giving you something.

And they don't feel like that anymore. They have a captive audience. They are less sure about what it is that they want to do. So they go, let's just give them something. Let's just give them something. And let's see what they'll do with it. See if we can vibes our way through it. I don't think this movie fits into that category because they actually tried to give us an actual film that has both, to me, a pretty high entertainment value and then also actually pushes the overall story of the MCU forward.

The movie actually has stakes in terms of you leave this film and you go, oh, that's how they're going to do that. and it really only takes one or two scenes to do that in the movie. But, like, having an understanding of where Miss Marvel is headed, like what's going to happen with her. Having an understanding of where Monica is and what's going to happen now and how we feel like the X-Men are going to appear in this universe, the movie, it doesn't give you a full belly, but it's at least a snack.

It's at least a snack of a film. It's not just like drinking a Diet Coke at the movies where it tastes almost like what you used to have, but there's zero calories to it. At least this is some cheese and crackers, right? And so to me... We can't be just like, come on, man. We getting happy because we get cheese and crackers now.

You know how down bad that sounds? No, I'm not saying we're getting happy because we're getting cheese and crackers. I'm saying not everything is Thanksgiving. like that's what I'm saying I'm saying I'm not we're not getting happy because we're getting cheese and crackers I'm saying not everything is going out to cut not everything is you like one of these ladies that doesn't want to go to the cheesecake factory Charles sometimes sometimes sometimes cheesecake factory is a fun time I'm a bad bitch I know my word I like I deserve

more than the cheesecake factory like cheesecake factory is expensive by the way I'm telling you I don't know. I don't know, Charles. You got to do better. I don't know, Charles. Well, I'll say this. I'll say this. Okay.

That's how I know you, Rich. Because you're like, it's not the, I'm like, hey. Me and Kalika built our relationship on the cheesecake factory, guys. We were there so fucking much. I met this girl when I was 27 years old. Like, we, we, we, we were there so much. And then she was with me to one day I went, let's go to Wolfgangs. And it was like, oh, baby, daddy, father.

You know what I mean? So I'm saying about the movie is not to tipper your expectations, but just to submit to enjoyment. And if you do that, I do feel like you can have a lot of fun with the movie. Charles, did the three leads work for you in the film? Did this power switching and all of that stuff at his device? I wasn't sure I was how it was going to work. Did that work for you as a device? I mean, the power switching, not really.

Okay. I just think the trio, the thing that I actually wanted more is it almost felt by the way that this movie was put together. Like Feigey and Company did not trust their three leads because when it was just them kind of chilling together, learning about each other, I was like, okay, this is the emotional core of the movie. And I wanted more of it, but it never, I like the brisk tone. I mean the brisk pace of this movie because I walked out of the like at least they didn't I didn't like this movie but they didn't waste my time and usually

with Marvel movies I'm like I hated this movie and they wasted my time but I think that there was a level of this movie where I was like if you're shooting this and you get back those first dailies my first thought would be we don't need all the CGI bullshit we don't need all of this

stuff happening as fast as it does like we need to focus on these three together and making sure that by the end of this movie, you care about them. And I did not care about Tiana Paris getting trapped. Like, I was like, whatever. Like, fine, like, cool.

Even, like, Miss Marvel towards the end, I was like, I care about Miss Marvel the same amount that I did coming into this. And Brie Larson, she looks like she's done so. Like, there were parts in this movie where I was just like she looks like she's ready to hang this shit up, right?

And, like, I just, that, I think that was a sad part for me. is like I think that there's actually a more intimate, emotional, smaller movie in this movie that I wanted, that I just think that they did not have the courage to chase. I would kind of agree with that, Charles. I think that when the movie seems to be making sacrifices of personality and charm from its leads, it is pushing forward, like, narrative and plot in places that really don't make sense. I think the biggest example of this for me was when they all hooked themselves up to that, like, dream memory matrix

just to basically have what was the equivalent of a conversation about all of their pasts. Yeah. Where they could have just been talking about that or revealing that to themselves throughout the movie in different ways, but instead the movie forces that upon the characters. And so we hear this, like, 80-yard dialogue

over flashback sequences and them just reacting in their sleep. And it's moments like that that take me out of the movie and think that like, okay, I'm feeling just the scaffolding of this movie lay itself bare. And it's sacrificing the fun that we're having just for the sake of the idea of everybody understanding each other when we don't really need all of that. We just need to understand the basics that. Kamala hero worships Captain Marvel. Spectrum's very skeptical because, you know, she left,

she basically abandoned them as a kid and that relationship is strained. And Captain Marvel is like kind of really weighing both of those options just as the idea of being a hero is placed in front of her from two different perspectives. The course of a movie can do that, but I think the worst problem this movie has is being able to balance those character moments along with its plot. And it's moments like that that we get those montages in the ship where we just get like a five-minute montage of like, okay, they understand power switching now. They've basically mastered that in the course of five minutes where we could have learned

more about each other and gotten something like that. I don't know. I think that's just a structure thing that I had with the movie while still being enjoyable. Yeah. And that's what made me that they do do. like Kamala hugging Monica does more for me to understand their characters because it's like you have Captain Marvel and Monica not really emotionally getting each other. And to have this little teenager being like she just needs a hug. Her mom died.

Yeah. I was like, okay, I get this. Like, same thing with like, I don't think the beginning of the movie worked where we get that Miss Marvel like comic book shit. I'm just like, well, get this fucking out of here. But what did work is when Captain Marvel gets to Kamala's room and she's like, who the fuck is this? this is how Earth looks at me. This is weird. Like, Kamala's family is, like, looking at Captain Marvel.

Like, what the fuck is happening? I was like, this is good. Like, this tells me everything I need to know about this world. I did not need all of the montage flashbacks. I was just like, it doesn't, why is this here? Yeah. And it's knowing that, like, the characters and actors and scenes that they're put in can do that in itself.

And we can intuit those things rather than literally being served to us. I'll tell you what, though. I enjoy, like, the first fight scene of all of them, like, switching in between space and Kamala's house and the whole thing. I thought that fight scene was pretty cool in terms of, like, you have, like, all three of them moving from place to place, and they all have to beat up those dudes. I thought, I thought, like, the look, and honestly, the action of that scene was pretty solid. The last one, not the one where they're at the water planet, but the one where, like, the, the final. battle. I thought that one was kind of cool.

I guess Darben? Yeah, get Starben? Ah, it was a little... I liked, like, like, the hammer stuff. What's what they did with the hammer was cool? Or, like, Darban puts it around her neck, and then Tiana... Or, yeah, Tiana Peres takes it,

and then, like, whips her with it was pretty crazy. But, like, honestly, like, the switching power stuff, you know, it was not as cool as the first scene, but I thought, like, in terms of action, like, it was really cool. Like, it was really, like, thought out and really well done. It's interesting.

And this is... always the baby that, that, I don't want to say that, because that's where I was about to say the baby that people have to split. I'm going to stop saying split the baby. It's violent. I don't want to talk about, I don't want to talk about babies in that form. You know, I get it comes from the Bible and stuff like that, but I say split the babies.

A lot of things that I've been like looking at that I say that's like, when you think about it, that's not. You shouldn't be saying that. But it's an interesting tightrope that you have to walk. Wait, well, because split the baby is the one phrase that you're just like, I shouldn't say that anymore. Of all the van stuff that you say to us on a daily basis. Split the baby is the one that...

The other stuff I've come to terms with. You know? Small victories, Charles. Small victories. Small victories. All right. So what Steve essentially said earlier, if I'm getting it, is that throughout dialogue, through dialogue, should I say,

that the stuff that was shown in the mind-milled scene could have been, given to us. They could have talked about it. Right. I think in a movie it's always better to show it. They were all guarded. They didn't want to talk about it. That had already been established. They didn't want to discuss it.

It's like, hey, where you've been? I don't really want to talk about that. Hey, what's going on? Let's not talk about it. We don't want to talk now. And then through an actual plot device, we're trying to access her memories to be able to see where it is that we have to go, the thing gets thrust upon them. So it's in plot, it's in movie, it's in action, that that information comes to them.

It's like when, in the dark night, the best example of this, oh, the clean slate, you mean the device, that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They give it to you, right? And you're like, who really talks like that? Like, who is really, like, who really does that? if that is a discovery, if Batman figures it out, if Catwoman threw her care,

if we even get more from her about what it is and why she's looking for it, it makes more sense. And this is kind of what I say when sometimes I think we don't actually know what it is that we want from Marvel right now, and that's completely Marvel's fault, is because when they tell us instead of showing us, we say, show us and don't tell us. And when they show us instead of telling us,

we say, tell us and don't show us. And in that situation, that's one of the scenes to me that actually worked the best because nobody wanted to be having that conversation. No one wanted to have the conversation. The only reason why that conversation is being had is because of plot.

It's because we have to look at her memories. And then it was an accident. And then, okay, this happens because of that. It's like, Like, Pope Fiction, she forgets the watch. She forgets the watch, so he has to go back to his apartment. He has to go back to his apartment. He kills Vincent Vega.

When he leaves the apartment, he then hits Marcellus Wallace with his car. And you guys, Sean Finacy, do not get mad at me. I'm not fucking comparing Pope Fiction to the Marvel. I'm just saying, this happens because this happens. Then this happens because this happens. then this happens because this happens and now that's a story. Right.

So because we had to go and look into her into her brain to get out what we needed to progress this story, what we ended up getting was character development that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I'm not sure at that

point if there is a more succinct and effective way to tell that, but still when we come away from it, it's still kind of not what we want it. And this is where kind of Marvel is losing this. Is it a little weird, though, that so much of this movie is told in montage or flashback, the first, like, 10 minutes of this movie are essentially, like, one big recap scene of like,

hey, you didn't watch the Marvels or Secret Invasion or all that other shit. We're going to tell you everything. Well, first of all. Oh, I'm getting. Secret Invasion didn't even. Secret invasion did not happen. No, hold on. Hold on. I got a minute or two to talk about the scrolls later

because wow, holy shit. But even Dar Bend, the villain, the villain didn't work. And the villain did not work for me because they explained her motivation in like the weirdest flashback that I was like, what are we doing? I disagree with you. I feel like, because earlier in the movie,

I'm like, what is she doing here? It's like, to your point, first I was like, they kind of don't, I don't know what her thing's going on. I assume some happened with the planet, Hala, and she now has to, like, save it, but like, why her the whole thing? And then they have the flashback where it's like, oh, Captain Marvel came back, like destroyed Supreme Intelligence, their planet got ruined. There was a whole creed civil war, all because of what Captain Marvel did.

She wants her get back. I can see that. I can understand. I can put that together. I know, I like the plot of that. Like, I actually think that that is an interesting motivation for a villain. Like, all of that stuff, I was just like, on paper, I'm like, yes, I want to see this Marvel, like this Captain Marvel movie.

But in practice, what is just a flashback, like, Captain Marvel looks like the biggest, like, asshole. And she's just like, all right, boom, I'm hitting you. Now I'm going to go destroy this shit. I'm like, this could have been better. Like, I didn't feel anything emotionally where it's like Darben. Darben was kind of spitting a little bit, where she's, She's just like, hey, you got all these powers.

You fucked over our whole planet. I'm watching my people die. You need to fix this. And even the fix for it, Tiana Bears being like, hey, why don't you just go restart their son? And she's like, never thought I could. I don't know. And she's like, but here's the thing, though.

And this is my thing with that. Because I thought about that. Because I was like, you should have thought about that. But like, if you should have thought about that. You know what? You know what? You know what? But wait.

But wait. But wait. But wait. But wait, but wait. And this is my thing. And this is where the movie is sloppy and where movies like this are, do get sloppy sometimes.

This is where the shit gets sloppy. All right, a couple of things. One is, I think that if we think about villains, if we think about villains in the MCU, this villain is really not that much different than some of the other ones. Of course.

It's not. If we think about, if we think about motivations, if we think about motivations of villains, like even in the old phases, you can't tell me that, like you understood why Ultron wanted to destroy everything. You can't, and we know who Ultron is.

You can't tell me, like, the fucking guy from Dr. Strange, they're just, they're doing shit. As a matter of fact, I like him. But what I'm saying is, I know that they want to bring about Dormammal. I get why, but it's never a theme to where it's understood to me why so many people have to die for this to happen. The one villain that they really got right was Thanos, and it was over the course of a whole bunch of movies

and essentially donate, dedicated, should I say, his own movie to him. Like, they didn't get Loki or Kilmonger right? Loki, Loki, even a Killmonger, they do get right. Killmonger, they do get right. But even with Kilmonger, they get him right because of the weight of emotional flashbacks.

Kilmonger, you see Kilmonger, and you were like, why this nigga mad? This is a mad-ass nigger. And then you see him with his dad, And you see everything that happened and you're like, oh, my God. Well, the Wakandans are not heroes to him. It's almost the same thing because they flew in and killed his father. Now, the reason why Tachaka killed his brother, he had a very good reason for doing that, right?

A very good reason for doing that. But that doesn't matter to kill Marker. You kill my dad. It's almost the same thing. Now, killmonger has played up a little bit different. Conceptually, that movie is a little bit longer. it's a better performance for Michael B. Jordan. But typically when you look at this,

these villains work better to me as concepts than they do than actual villains because actual villains, a lot of times in these movies, you don't have enough time to build them out unless you give them their own movie like you gave Thanos in Infinity War. So to me, I didn't even know

what the fuck she was talking about and why I should care about her. But then when I realized, two things. One, she's trying to save her entire world, inherently compelling, right? Not only is she trying to save her entire world, she's trying to save it from the entity that destroyed it, who did it once again, like Tachaca did, with good reason. The Supreme Intelligence is bad. I have to destroy the Supreme Intelligence, but I wasn't smart enough.

Like, Captain Marvel was kind of played up in this movie as All Brone and No Brains. she's kind of the muscle of this situation. She's a very Thor, a very Thor-esque character. She's got some bad looks in this movie. No, no, think about it, though. And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that, right? I mean, Captain America in the first Avengers movie, they go through that whole movie telling this guy how fucking stupid he is.

Like, hey, they do. They go through this whole movie going, hey, bro, look, we'll let you know when it's time to kick something. like but we're talking about some real shit right here like this is some real shit and so it's part of Tiana Pair it's not done artfully or in a real way in a really it's part of her

character to know she's the brains of the operation it's part of her characters to know hey dummy their son is still dormant like it's still something in there you could go ignited and help them out you only got to do all of this if you don't want to be an annihilator you can change it like she's the brain. She's the science. She went to Rice

University. I saw it. Shout out to Texas. So to me, that works unless you think there should be more there. And I think a lot of times when we're talking about these movies, we think that there should be more there. I'll rewatch Multiverse of Madness. And Multiversal Madness

isn't like a big time hit. But the reason why I was so lukewarm on the movie is because I thought that there would be more there. And maybe they dessert, maybe there should have been more. But if you look at the villain through the lens of what actually happens in the movie, I mean, it's a very simple reason to want to hurt, like Captain Marvel.

And it's a very simple reason to want to exploit somebody else, which is to bring your your land. But the performance was not great. I kind of liked it. She was having fun in her own way. I never heard of her before. She had grills on. Yeah, she had the fall wall grill.

She had the grill on. I was like, hey, man. All right, Steve, talk about the scrolls, because I know you want to move on. I'm just saying that the scrolls have every right to burn the galaxy to the ground, man. Yeah, man. This is, this was horrible.

What happened to the scrolls, this movie? And I know that we don't want to act like we all saw Secret Invasion, because I'm probably going to give too much credence to a thing that the MCU is going to either retcon or ignore into oblivion. But the fact that they're not livid with Captain Marvel after this. Dropping them off with Valky

on New Asgard to a planet that now hates them because of an entire international fiasco that happened at the behest of Nick Fury. Graphic was right.

This was insane. It's absolutely insane. And the fact that Captain Malgful resets the sun for people that they've been at war with while they can't find

him a single planet? Rough. Insane! absolutely insane I'd be pissed as hell don't let Gaya the most powerful being on earth find out about this

Dineris got to be Captain Marvel's ass like she really got to be Scroes are pissed it's bad funny too because I've been to theater and they're like you know doing the

yeah man we found like this is our home we can't leave and I'm like this you can't evade to tell us that there was no other place for these boys You've been leaving home for a while. And then to see this point, you send them back to Earth. And again, it's like...

A new escort, a resort town with like cruise ships and amusement parks and shit. Oh, how long have you guys been here? Oh, ever since our planet was destroyed and we just needed a place to crash. Oh, really? Crazy. We've been here for decades in hiding, waiting for Nick Fury and Captain Marvel to get us a new planet. Stuff. Interesting.

The leader, like, he looked at that white woman. Like, we don't need your help no more. Like, stay away from a, like, Bree. No, he doesn't. I bet you that guy doesn't even know what happened on Earth. He doesn't even know what went down in secretivation. He gets to Earth. Lord forbid that Earth figures out that a whole other sect of scrolls just crash lands on the planet.

They come in here with their green skin actually figuring out that, oh, we're welcome here. No, sir, Bob. let me tell you about Gravick and Gaia. So what I want to know, though, is does the new Asgard shit make sense? Because they take fucking the scrolls to New Asgard,

these scrolls, but there's a bunch of scrolls on Earth. So what, like, what's the difference in between these refugees? If I'm an Earth scroll, I'm like, why do they get to jump the line? Like, what is happening? If they had an entire planet,

they needed to do more explaining of, Is this planet not big enough for all of the scrolls? I'm just, I was very lost. Is it possible that this takes place before Secret Invasion? There's no way. It would have. Because Nick Fury is up at Sabre. Well, no, maybe he was up there.

Literally, the episode, it starts, it comes down, right? And then he goes back up. Because honestly, if it doesn't, it kind of doesn't make any sense, right? Right. It has to. That's to be after.

But it's possible that this, that this happens after, the secret invasion happens after this, almost has to happen after this. Because if it does happen after this, this is incredibly bad. Incredibly bad for Nick Fury and Captain Marvel on behalf of the scrolls.

The squirrels have been taken colossal L after colossal L. The fact that the scrolls would even remotely trust Captain Marvel after this is insane. The Marvel's got the handsome squirrels too. They were all majestic looking. the TV scrolls didn't have it, man. It's that budget, baby.

The TV scrolls didn't have it. These scrolls had like, I know they were a different. They got jaw lines. They got the tribe. Yeah, they had, it was angular and it looked good. They had cooler ears. I know this was like a different tribe of scrolls of some sort. But these scrolls, they were the bushy scrolls for sure.

This is maybe one of the ones that Nick Fury with his scroll-loving interplanet, Terry dick slinking ass should have been into. You know what I'm saying? But the movie it almost has to take place. I'm trying to think if there's any indicator

in the film in terms of when in the timeline this actually is. But it almost has to take place before secret invasion, right? Almost it has to. I mean, still though, because in significant evasion,

they tell, like I said, like, hey, we couldn't find a place to live. There was no other place in the galaxy to live. That's why we came back here. That's why there are a million of us here. And then regardless of what happens in Secret Invasion, we find out that there was a bunch of Cree, or a bunch of scrolls

out on a planet somewhere thriving. Yeah. Because regardless of whether or not like this sect of scrolls came here before after secret invasion, it's not all of them that are still on Earth. Like there's still like a million scrolls on Earth

regardless of before or after this happened. because they've been there since Captain Mark. All right, I'm looking, I'm looking at this. This is from Screen Rant. It's saying that this is set after. Interesting. That's nuts. It is saying that it's set after.

This is the same timeline that like basically Wakanda Forever is set, Guardians of the Galaxy is three set. So I think this happens after. Yeah. That's, that it's, then it's cooked. That's weird. That's weird.

I'm telling you, man, Valkyry didn't want them scrolls. in New Asgard and is weird. She didn't want the ugly scrolls, man. She only wanted the cute scrolls coming to live with her. The light skin scrolls. She only wanted the light skin scrolls, man. She didn't want the other puffy scrolls

because them squirrels and Secret Invasion was puffy as hell, man. She didn't want them coming to live with her. That's crazy. Who's winning? Gaia or pre-Larsed? Gaia, what do you mean? Gaia can beat everybody.

Guy is a cheat code. What are you talking about? Gaya is the greatest. hero of all time. Guyah should be the next huge villain. It should be punt on Kane. That should be great. Punt on Kane, don't bring in Dr. Doom.

Just bring in Gaia. Or maybe they could say that the person who we thought was Kane this entire time was actually Gaia. Traveling through the goddamn multiverse, time looms and shit. The whole nine, she could do whatever. Guy, while you're at it, could you like take care of that big giant

eternal out in the middle of the ocean that nobody else talked about because you just pick that up and move that somewhere else. I mean, also, can I put on my, I'm going to put on my, you know, more left-leaning hat. The thing also about this movie that annoyed me, I guess, is that, all right, we go to this musical. We have this musical planet. Oh, no, Charles.

Come on. And I'm like, there's a couple things. First of all, you're telling me this is an entire planet that can own, their language is only in musicals, but they still speak in English. and they do not understand. I was just like, come on. Because I was like, this is an interesting idea.

But I'm like, they're still speaking English though. No, no. So I'm telling me that. That was the greatest dad joke the MCU has ever given us. I was like, hats off.

But hold on for a second. This is kind of like, once again, this criticism, I understand it, right? But doesn't this criticism apply to everything? Why are they speaking English

in Star Wars? Why does Thanos speak? English. Why do they speak English? It's not about the English. It is more so for this joke to work. I'm like, wait, so this is a musical planet, but they're singing in the style of American

musicals speaking English. Like, I'm like, do they only understand melody and harp? Like, for this Charles, make the fucking Star Wars. We are splitting hairs right now. Okay. No, but you guys, you guys have to be there in the theater, man. As soon as the

melody hit, I turned in my right. To see this dude's face and he was shaking his head. He was distraught. I genuinely don't. It's such a weird deal. It's so odd. If I'm going to get my hat on, like, yo, it's a very interesting thing for a movie to do

to be like, all right, Carol Danvers is essentially the most powerful person in this universe that is not named Gaia. And I guess misogyny is still running rampant throughout the galaxy because she essentially has to marry this prince for diplomatic reasons. And I'm like, okay, that's very, very interesting because you have all of the powers to reignite a sun,

but still your worth in a galaxy is you being like betrothed to this person to like diplomatically. And I'm like, this is very, very interesting. And instead of them, okay, sitting with, sitting with like how complicated any of this shit is, They're just like, there's a sinking planet, and now they have new costumes. And I'm like, no. Let me tell you, let me tell you guys why Charles is the goat. Really? Charles was sinking with the melody thing.

He was singing. And then he rises up. And then he just threw so much trauma and the historical ramifications of misogyny. Who would disagree with that? This is what, this is how Charles be doing, y'all. Charles is now like, I'm not mad because of the English team. It literally comes all the way back around.

Like, I'm not mad because of the English thing. I'm mad because she shouldn't have had to marry that motherfucker. Fuck them singing English motherfuckers. Charles, you're so slick, bro. I'm telling you. You like the revet Ramoswamy of the Midnight Boys, bro. I'm telling you, you're so slippery bastard. And y'all ain't telling me you weren't wondering.

I was just like, wait. Is she in love with this prince? It seemed like she had agency in it is the only thing. She did. It seemed like that seemed like she had agency. I genuinely wanted to know more about it because this was like the first little tiny glimpse into a secret life that was just for Carol and a thing that only was for her. And if for some reason she gets back on this planet and she's like enjoying life and like

low key in love with this dude or enjoying a life of like somewhat normalcy and not needing to be a hero, that's like amazing. and I would love to see something like that. But instead... But it seemed, honestly, it was just... It seemed like something that she was okay with. It seemed like she looked at it as a burden. Nobody's taken her hostage.

She seemed like she was okay with what was happening. It's not like she had to go there. Somebody had to pay a fucking dowry or something like that. It seemed like she was all right with it, bro. I mean, she was cool with it. Kind of felt like she had more chemistry with a... with a girl from, from Asgard.

I was like, that was the second there. I was like, oh, Tessa. I was like, picking up on the vibes. I was like,

oh, those. Now, you guys know, that's, no, Alcari hit that. Like,

that's the movie. That's the movie I want to see. Really quick. On the musical planet, though, do you think like when they're fucking, they just like switch to R&B? Like,

a niggas just like singing like Usher in bed and shit like that? Oh, you think, you think like the, like the black people there, they rap instead of saying? Oh, that's what I want to see. You know, hold on, you know that if this movie is made in 95, that happens, right? Yeah, 100%.

If this movie is made 90, I'm not so sure that they didn't do it now. I want to see the outtakes. Because there was definitely a Disney, it was definitely a Disney, like, exec that went, and this is the perfect time for us to put Little Yadi in this. And Little Yaddy comes out, and then the beat breaks down in the whole nine. Oh, if Lil Yadi, they should have been like, yo, Tiana, your side of town is like, you know, on the freeway. We could take you there on a trip.

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Chuck is sick to his stomach. Nah, Charles. He came away. What, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me explain myself. Let me explain myself, man. Charles is done. No, no, no, let me swing myself.

This is a what are we doing corner To end all what are we doing corners Because like I like I was I like the idea I like the idea I'm like this is cute They got all the kittens whatever I have never seen Some more slap together nonsense

jangling keys for the MCU Baby crowd Where I'm like at least make it make sense bro in the middle of the movie They're like hey What's this egg thing You're that dude with the beer Like, do you ever come here with good news?

No, man. Charles. I'm telling you, y'all, man. Charles. Y'all got to watch a movie with Chuck. Y'all got to watch a screen it with Chuck, well. I've been screenings with Chuck before. It was fun.

It was cool. It was cute. And it perfectly fit. Because you're the first nigga man who's like, oh, that cute shit that they put in this movie, who did they think were dumb. Like, come on, bro. Like, I said, I said pluck.

I don't like kids. I don't like plucky. By the way, I'll be honest with you. Here's the thing I still don't like. Like she, Imani got me over in terms of pluck, but I also still don't like kids not doing what the fuck that they're told

and that's part of the plucky situation. Part of the plucky situation is these plucky-ass kids, they always fuck up and they don't do what they're told, all right? Do what you're told. I don't care what you can do. Sit over there and don't fucking fuck up the mission being plucky. This though was different. Their eggs everywhere,

it was actually a curveball when they were flurking babies. I'm like, oh, what's going to happen? And then they're running around. The funniest part to me was like, do not run. Let the flurkins eat you. It's an automated message, by the way. It was so funny. That was funny.

Do not run. And these people are obviously terrified, right? They're obviously terrified, right? That was really funny to me. This is fun. Can we have fun? Can we have fun at the movies? All I'm asking, all I'm asking is,

Like, I actually thought Goose throughout this whole movie. I was like, no, this is interesting. But, like, Carol fucking forgets about Goose within, like, the first 15 minutes. Like, this motherfucker is on earth. And Carol's like, whatever. And I'm like, can we just get, I just needed one more beat, one more scene being like, all right, what is Goose doing? Out of nowhere, they're like, all right, goose just had some babies.

And I'm like, nigger, what? Hold on. Because Goose spends the, like, first, like, half of the movie eating weird stuff. to the point where Kamala's mom is like, you got to get that thing checked out. It's looking kind of pudgy, right? And you're like, interesting. What's going on with goose?

Like, I put this on my radar. As soon as I saw the first egg, I was like, goose is having kids. A goose egg, if you will. But emotionally, I was just like, okay. You want to inquire. This is just a way for y'all to fucking fix the lot.

Charles, you hear you hear you? Charles, do you have any idea how broken you are? The emotional stakes of the fucking cat. It's a bit, brother. It's a job. No, no, no, no. I literally have an example for y'all. I literally have an example for you.

I'm sure you do. Give it. You want to know why fucking baby group works. Baby group fucking works. And it like is like an amazing. Like I was just like, oh my God, fucking baby group. Because that nigger dies at the end. And you're like, God, damn, this raccoon was crying over this motherfucker or whatever.

And then when baby group starts dancing, you like, oh shit. Not only are you like, he's. back, but you're like, oh shit, like, this warms my heart. When, like, all the kittens are running around, I'm like, Doug, we forgot about Goose for half this fucking movie. Grute is a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy. He's on the poster. Whoa, Goose is on the posters.

Goose is on the sphere in Vegas, bro. I get it. I get it. Goose is the man. But what I'm saying is you're comparing a background nigger to a foreground nigger to a foreground nigger. Groot is one of the member. background now?

Goose's background now. Yeah. Are you serious? Okay, we got to move. They marketed this movie. Like, Goose was the fourth fucking lead. Like, come on, bro. Jesus Christ.

What the fuck? Have some shame. Have some shame, bro. What is going on? Chuck. Chuck Wagon. All right, post credit. Chuck Wagg, I'm going to ask you.

Ms. Marvel's going to start the New Avengers. She did our whole Nick Fury thing. It's legitimately one of the most delightful scenes in the history of Marvel. That was so fun. Charles, what you think? Give it to us. No, first of all, Pauls, Charles, Pauls.

Describe what Jomey did during the scene. Oh, okay. So this is why this pissed me off. No, no, no, no. Don't ask another fucking question. Strike what Steve just said. Okay, fine. It's Charles time.

Charles, like, Charles, I want to hear what you think about this scene. I was, I was, so this is, this is how I was. felt, I was like, okay, word. So we just lost a black woman in space. And this, and Carol Danvers and Kamala are just in a plane.

And they just like talking like, this bitch ain't fucking lost. I'm like, yo, go get fucking spectrum, you. And they just cut that shit. And then Kamala's like, Kamala's playing Nick Fury. And I'm like, did fucking Kamala,

did fucking Kamala see Iron Man, bro? We're doing cover. We're doing covers. a fucking past post credit scenes now? I like to think that Kamala was just like, so what did you tell Iron Man when you first met him? Is it possible that she asked Fury

what he said to Iron Man, Charles? No. Hold on. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, this is the biggest super fan ever. Is it possible that they had a conversation that her and Nick Fury had a conversation about how he recruited Iron Man?

And then Nick Fury was like, yeah, I'll tell you something. like da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, is there any way that that could have happened? What are we doing here, guys? Don't be a fucking. Like, nigga, like, come on, bro. Come on, don't, I'm a grown-h-h-man.

No, I know. Because you can see it. You can see, you can see Kamala being like, yo, bro, what's going on? Hey, I'm Nick. I got to ask you a question. So I'm trying to get this team together. And, you know, you created the original Avengers. So I just want to know, like, could you, like,

how did you recruit, like, Iron Man? Like, can you tell him he's like, Camala, I'm not really. Come on, please me, please. I'm just trying to, you know what I'm saying? Can you help me? He was like, fine. And he went war for war, bar for bar.

She was taking notes. She was like, cool, cool. So you stood in the dark, right? Was there like a reason for that or was that just like for fun? And he's like, well, it just kind of felt like the right thing to do so I could take him off guard, you know what I'm saying? She's like, all right, cool, cool, cool. And you said, you're part of a bigger universe.

Was that like verbatim? Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I got it. And you said like the darkest corner, right? Okay, cool, cool. Like, you can see that happening. She absolutely. Just everything you described to me, Jomey,

everything you described to me, Jomey, was funnier, and I would have enjoyed more than this. No, man. The thing that actually pissed me off, the thing that actually pissed me off is, like, I wouldn't have minded if this was, like, an actual post-credit scene.

It was weird that this movie does not end. Like, the movie does not have an ending. It is just like, all right, we kind of know that this movie isn't it, so we're teasing y'all with the Young Avengers. And I'm like, come on I could see a version where like the movie ends with them in the plane

and then the first credits roll then we get that bit and then the whole credits go and then you get the you get the end credits you all didn't think the movie I need a little weird where I was like I was like oh yeah of course I don't wait hold on for I loved it I don't care what I was I loved it the the weakest part of the movie to me is not even this ending part it's the final fight with the boss

and that whole deal. The movie does come to kind of an abrupt ending. It almost like it doesn't end. It runs out of gas. That's definitely a dig on the movie. It's not perfect movie. Which you have to understand, or I think not you have,

first of all, let me take that out. What I think is important to remember is that the movie has three leads. So each lead needs an ending. Yes. Right? The movie ends with Carol back in Louisiana.

Her story is done. Then Kamala gets her, own ending. That is in New York with Cape Bishop. And then in the post credit, Monica gets her own ending. So these are three distinct characters, because the one, one, they do get separated. And number two, they do have to go back to their lives. They're not starting the team. They're a little team, but they're not starting the team, right? So then where does everybody go? Well, I go to

Louisiana, and this is kind of what I do. I reconnect with a part of my life that I had been running for them. They did not do enough to let us know, hey, why didn't you come home? What I hate in movies is this, I hate the weak shame. Like, I didn't come home because I was afraid of all of this. I had to do this. Man, just go home. Hey, go home.

Go, hey, hey, guys, at least you could call. Like, this is why I didn't come back. And all the, the, the, the, I felt like the, the, the, the, I felt like the, the, the, the, I felt like the, schism or the tension between Monica and Carol, I was never sold on it. Like, that's real. I was never sold on it. There wasn't enough.

Oh, you never made it back. You said you would come back. All that you said I was going to come back. I was saving the universe. If you can't grant me some grace for unsnapping you, if you can't grant me some grace, I don't know what to tell you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's fucked up, Ben.

How? Carol, it, like, it essentially seems like she has been back to Earth. What, twice? One of them was for Thanos. The other one was when Monica's mom is dying. I would have liked you to check in at one point. Like, my mom died, yo. Like, you know what I'm saying?

She checked in on her because they showed her talking to her when she had cancer. Number two, she couldn't check on her other time. She couldn't check on Monica, though. She's back, though. She's back. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Monica got blipped.

She wasn't, she was gone. Monica was gone. She couldn't have checked down on her. Monica got blipped. She had to come back and fight. She had to fight. Did she have to look? Look, I get it.

Wait, where was Captain Marvel during Wanda vision? From Wondavision till now, like, I couldn't get a text. I couldn't get it like, yo, like, you good? You guess what? Bra, she was off doing shit. You know who was the,

yeah, she was off killing millions of. Do you know who was the, that's plucky. That's plucky type shit from Monica right there. That's pluck. That's first degree pluck. That's first degree pluck to not think, hey, guess what? This person is a superhero. Couldn't you say, she could have.

She could have. A, you can go home, but B, come on, man. That's got to be a good enough excuse. You know, I used to say, hey, dad, I have a baseball game. And he used to say, hey, Van, would you like to eat food? And I'm like, yes. And he was like, well, I have to work. hope you guys win and he came when he could

pluck kids need to understand it but back to the point three distinct endings and three distinct characters I thought they were all great Henry McCoy Beast I loved it you guys

We need to have a conversation We gotta have a talk We got to Joe me go ahead Henry McCoy Hey McCoy I'm gonna get on my Young Avengers thing in a second But from oh get on your They're gonna do the Young Avengers

So what they're gonna do it I won I'm between about I mean If you go to the early days of the ring of verse. Me and Mao have been like talking about the younger Avengers way back since a Falcon and a Winter Soldier. I've been locked in.

This is my, this is like the greatest day of my life. I'm so happy. Let's go. Hank McCoy, listen. I don't know what's going on with Kelsey Grammer. I don't have any insight to his life. Frasier reboot, baby. That's what we're doing. Hold on. Between doing the Frazier reboot

and coming back for Beast. Okay, that's like happening. in Atlanta. You don't, he doesn't, he's not that much time. Listen, listen. He might be up to his eyes and gambling dead. I don't know, man. He might got to pay off.

Yeah, that's right. Because that boy came coming back with the vengeance, bro. You bring back Fraser and beast within the same like what, two, three week window. That's crazy, man. Kelsey, whatever he's going through, don't worry. Come by the crib. We got you. You know what I'm saying?

We'll feed you, we house you. Because my boy, got to be going through it, man. to bring Fraser back and Beasts back that's nuts shout out to Kelsey Grammer man how many more times can they do this though like I got some bad

I saw Professor X you know I saw the end of Miss Marvel with the little with the little X-Men theme song like biggest come on like yeah just wrap it up like give us the real shit I got some bad news for you Charles bro this is really

it's really a secret war setup bro. That's what this is, right? Obviously, guys, but like, we kept, like, we're so, we're so fucked. Like, the rest of, we are. Like, we kept wondering, how are they going to do the X-Men?

Where are they going to do? What are they going to do this? What are they going to do this? And the Xavier reveal in Multiverse of Madness was a soft launch. It really wasn't anything, right? Now we actually have, actually have a character

from our universe that exists in their universe. Not that's just stopping through. That is stranded there. And the ramifications of that have huge story implications in the MCU. Not only that, but she saw her mom again. She was crying. Tiana Perez was given it in that scene.

That's one of the best post-credit scenes that I've seen in the Marvel movie. I'm serious. It was good. I got the binary costume, which was awesome. Damn, man. What if instead of Kelt of Grammar is beast, we got like...

We got to... You guys... At some point, no, no, no. At some point, we got to do these for video. Because if you guys... At some point, we got to do these for video. Because if you guys can see Charles right now. Charles, I've never...

Pressed. This is so fucking funny, guy. This is hysterical. Like, this is hysterical. No, because it's just... The cope is insane. I will reiterate again. Like, like, I will reiterate again.

Like the Marvels is, the Marvels is spied. It is like, it is no worse than quantumania or multiverse or any of this. It's way better than quantum. It's all the same. It's all the same. You know? Come on. Like, you know what?

And this is why I, like, I can't be in L.A. Which, I can't, because I got out of that theater and the tweets I was seeing was like, yeah, you know, the movie was shaky, but it has a beginning middle and end. Marvel does it again and I'm like What are he doing? No man. Come on.

Look, man. It was cool again. Like for me, I mean, I said this in the text rate. I was just like, man, the Young Avengers plot set up, that's, that made the movie a 12 out of 12

for me, brother. That's all I need. That's what, but come on. Come on. You used to get mad at that shit. We used to get mad at that shit. You used to get mad when Marvel would do the thing

when the movie was like not great. And then, they just hit you with two, like, post-credit scene where, like, we got you the next time. You're right. That is exactly, bro. That's so good, bro. That's exactly what they do.

Hey, man, we got you the next time. Nah, nigga, I want my money now. I'm good for our next time. I got you. You know I got you next time. Dude, I want my money now. Like, you know, that only works to me if I didn't really fuck with the film, I think that the ending of the movie here in terms of.

the delightful scene between Kamala and Kate. Fantastic. One more K and this, you know, relax. I think, can I be real with y'all? Can I be real? If I, like, take,

if I take my hater hat off, Kamala, Haley Steinfeld had amazing chemistry. I did think one of the funniest jokes was being like, where did you get that fucking, where'd you get that little pad? And, like, Kamala having all this information on these heroes,

I did really think. that that was like very, very charming. I am excited for the Young Avengers. I, like, I have a heart. My issue was less with that scene and more so, like, end your movie and then give me, like, the dessert. Like, don't be like yada, yada it. And then, like, hey, guys, remember the Young Avengers?

Yeah, I get it. But I will say that I thought that the scene at the end was moving because she saw her mom again. and things are starting to come together. Look, Marvel has a lot of work to do. We're going to get to the midnight meeting now. Marvel has a lot of work to do, guys. It does.

Marvel has a lot of work to do. All I'm saying is we've been striking out. We've been striking out. We got up to the plate with fucking secret invasion. And motherfucking Spencer Strider struck us the fuck out with that heat. if we get a single or a double, let's just say that at least we're on base. And I think a lot of these movies,

a lot of these movies have been strikeouts, bro. A lot of these movies have been, you know, when like you, when you file the ball or when you strike out, but you still run to first. You know that? You guys know what the baseball rules? You strikeout swinging, but the ball gets away from the catcher

and you can still run the first. Some of the movies have been, like that, but a solid hit, an off-the-wall long single that you can't stretch into a double or a shot right up the line that really is kind of a C&I single that gets stretched into a double, but it's positive. Marvel hasn't had any of those in a while, and I would say that that's what this is. No, y'all acting like Patrick Beverly after he won that one playoff game. Like, y'all just- You're with a playing game?

They got the seven-season to go crazy. Let me say something about that. Stupid, but classic moment. Oh, all time moment. Classic moment. Classic moment. Classic moment. They play a champion.

Classic moment. All right. So let me ask you two questions, guys. Sure. Three weeks ago, the Marvels was tracking to make $75 to $80 million domestically. Now projections have it making $60 to $65 million in its opening. Is there any chance that positive word of mouth, coupled with the post credit scenes, can help this movie rebound? Like, do you think that this movie is good enough?

to get, like, people start talking about it. They're like, oh, Beast comes back. Young Avengers, where people are like, all right, I want to see this? Or is it just kind of what it is? No. I think the movie has to be evaluated within the context of how much you love these movies and what your expectations of them are.

It's very possible that Marvel has an extended time period until the Blockbuster era of Marvel returns. Marvel is in its slow burn. The blockbuster error of Marvel has to return. They're essentially back to where they were in the early days where they have to reestablish their reputation. And this movie is not strong enough to do that. So I don't think it'll beat the tracking.

It might have legs that are a little bit longer. I think conversations about people liking the movie will help the film, but I don't think that it's going to, the word of mouth is going to be strong enough for it to, to significantly outperform what people think it's going to do. Then do we get a Captain Marvel 3? Because Bree Larson has not been.

Brie Larson is very much, like, do we even get Brie Larson in an Avengers movie? She seems very done with this role. Look, I don't know if there'll be a Captain Marvel 3. I honestly think that there's a chance that she's recast, that Captain Marvel is recast, multiverse-wise. Really?

You think so? Yeah. I don't think I don't think I don't think Re likes it very much and I don't think that the character's

working with her not all the way I don't think it's you know because think about it like this is her fourth movie

how many movies third there was there was Captain Marvel in game and end game so wait

was she unless you unless you count the post credit scene well no yeah no there's no

that's three movies it's her movie it's end game and then There was the Shang Chi Post Credits, but not. The Shong Chi Post credits, exactly. If you count that. I mean, look, in terms of her being

and part of, like, the actual narrative of a film, it's... Because there was a postgame scene in Infinity War with her in it. Was it not? No. No, no.

It was her movie. It was Marvel's. It was her movie. Yes. It was post-case. Anyway. But you need her, though, now. I think you need her, yeah.

Because Tiana-Paris' spectrum is trapped. Like, that's her... That's her niece. That's her best friend. She's trapped in another universe. I know. So my thing is, my thing is,

I think Captain Marvel will be back. And Bree Larsen is Captain Marvel will be back. I don't know if there'll be another Captain Marvel movie. Yeah. You know. I don't know, man. I would kind of like the Captain Marvel movie where maybe this time she gets stuck and instead a beast is Chris Evans as the human torch.

Hold on. Now we're cooking with some gas. No? It's just me? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, man, y'all, y'all don't love nothing I love, man. It's crazy. We don't, but what I'm saying is I think, I don't, you know, think about the,

there have been more significant actors that have been tethered to a lot bigger characters that have worked, and after a while they just get sick of it. The only person that's going to play their character forever, Chris Hemsworth will be 65, and we will get a King Thor movie. That thing ain't going nowhere. He ain't stupid. That dude like to do all kinds of stuff in Australia. Like, he like to have boats and do all kinds of stuff.

is going to be King Thor. I'm going to like it, too. He's still young. He's got another 20 years of Thor in him. Yeah. It'll be Thor 12. I don't know.

What happens is you going to? Maybe not. He'll be shooting his own Thor movies in it. He'll be shooting his own Thor movie. He'll reboot Thor. Thor 85, directed by Chris Hemsworth. Yeah.

I still want to play Thor. Anyway. But yeah, I think those are great questions, Chuck. I would say, I don't know how much more Brie Larson and Captain Marvel we're going to get. She's going to be back for probably the big team-up movies. And I don't know what the future of the character as a solo MCU star is because the first movie was a huge moneymaker but not tremendously well-received. This movie is probably not going to be super well-received or be a super moneymaker.

So, you know, you just wonder. Also, y'all are going to kill me for this. But this movie, I was like, did we need? the Marvels, or did we need a Miss Marvel solo movie? Watching this, I was like, I think I would have liked, I don't think Miss Marvel should have been a TV show.

This was one where I was just like, I think you actually could have built a cornerstone, and maybe they think it now with Young Avengers, around Miss Marvel and Amani. I think she has enough of... The best things to come out of these TV shows, besides Loki, which we love as a show, guys.

So let's get off our nuts. But the best thing that come out of these TV shows, in terms of new characters to me, have been Kate Bishop as Hawkeye and Kamala Khan is Miss Marvel. Great performance, is great young talent. Jummy, you were going to say something. I'm sorry, I stepped on you. Not school. Do you guys think this movie, like, what if it's not a Captain Marvel movie, but it's like

a Miss Marvel movie? And, like, she's a central character driving this film. And Captain Marvel is just like a side character in this, in the movie. I would love it. I think it would have worked me. I would genuinely love it. It would have worked way better, I think. Probably.

Loved her family in this movie, too. They're great. They're great. Love to her family in this movie. Dog, the brother has some of the funniest line readings. Like in the show, it was Haram.comeron. Hilarious. And in this movie, the dad is talking to the guy about Roth IRAs or whatever.

He's like, yeah, man, you got to start saving money. How old are you? Diorg of 5. And he's like, oh, you guys are the same age? Hilarious. Yeah. No, it's when he's like. he's FaceTiming that grows like yeah

so I'm in this like space elevator or something I don't know I'm not you by the way this last thing I say before we get to a midnight meter I trust technology you know what I'm saying I took the vaccine say which I want to say I trust technology you know

I'll be honest at you I'm not getting on that motherfucking space elevator I agree I'm not I'm not getting on that bitch hell no I'm not getting on that bitch look at Steve Steve Steve can't wait the white inside of this

I like you like Steve Steve will probably ride that bitch up on a cable. I'm not getting on that space elevator, man. No, no way. Like, I'm not doing that, bro. Can I do a real quick, quarter flip? Really quick. Dog, where did, like, who taught this Marvel martial arts in between that fucking Disney Plus show?

I was like, yo. She was in the gym. No, no, no, she was in the gym. He's fucking right. He was locked in. So, like, some of the time, some of the time, she wasn't using her pop. And she was just putting hands on niggas. Like she was- That's what I'm saying, bro.

She's getting busy. Yo, that is such, I'm so glad you brought that up. I'm like, is she using her powers? Nah, she was flipping around like Donnie Yin kicking people in their shit. I'm like, what the fuck is this? Now wait. Hold on. Okay, give it to him.

Go ahead. Shout out Prince, Prince, Prince, Yon, Parkso, June. You know, the people, wait, when he came on screen, people were like in the theater making noise. Oh, no, the influencers, I knew what Disney was doing. Because every single time he showed up, the crowd was like, yes. I was like, it was locked in. He was like, use your scarf.

You know what I mean? Before then. She was serving. She was doing crazy. She was serving people before then. She was kicking. So in the beginning, when they first, in the first scene where they're like switching, she was like doing Taekwondo and jujitsu in front of like fucking Nick Fury.

I'm like, yo, I didn't know fucking Kamala got down like, like, She'd be locked and she was in the gym, bro, y'all hate it. It's one thing if you're using your powers. But once again, you know,

even when we talked about K. Bishop, K. Bishop was three-time state karate champ and she was just giving niggas work. I'm like, okay. You know, it's one thing,

hold on, hold on, I mean, just listen real quick. I was the last thing I'll say because I know, you know, I know people don't like it when we, but it's one thing

if, you know, stick has been teaching you how to fight since you were like eight years old. Okay, that's one thing. And it's one thing if you're a hawkeye and you're a trained assassin. Okay?

It's one thing. I get it. Or you're a black widow. Three times state karate champ. I'm sorry, bro. Like, I know niggas that was the three times state karate chair. I went to high school with them. We used to fuck over them.

Okay? So I was just saying, bro. It's the state of New York, bro. You know how many people are the state of New York? It's Jersey City. It's Jersey City. I'm talking about for Kate. For Kate, she was locked in.

For Kate? Yeah, she was, you know, New York State. It's the same thing as Ned with the sling ring. Here's the thing. I give Tom Holland a pass because he got the spider sense and he got the fucking powers. He's Spider-Man. A lot of times when it looks like he's doing stuff, like he's a train fighter, it's really just because he's faster, his reflexes are better, and he's sensing stuff.

And he can flip around. He's Spider-Man. You really don't have to teach Spider-Man how to fly. Even though Spider-Man does learn how to fight. in the, you know something. But you don't really have to teach him how to fight. Even Captain America to a degree, super expert with his hands, right? Soldier.

But he's a super soldier. So when you can throw him some shit, it's not going to hurt him as whatever. You know, that's how to fight. I'm just saying, I noticed that in the theater. I'm like, why is she handling these motherfuckers like that? Wow. That's right. And these other soldiers as well.

I'm like, why is she fucking over? Like, I didn't know she knew how to fight. So Captain America and Spider-Man, when they use their powers, like when they kick a lot of butter. It's cool, but when Miss Marvel and Kay Bishop do it, it's crazy. No, fuck out of here because we didn't say shit about Black Widow. That's crazy. It makes sense in Black Widow.

I just said Black Widow. That's crazy. I just said Black Widow before. You can play it. Hold on. You can play the song if you want. It's fine. You can play it.

I said Black Widow though. I said Black Widow. I'm just saying that's nuts. Even the other Black Widow trained in the Red Room makes fucking sense. You know, even in John Wick, too, it's real quick. I know we got to go. In John Week 2, John Wick goes back to. like the little people who trained him

and you see other niggas on the ground doing like John Wick style wrestling and grappling and kicking people and you're like oh John Wick went to these people he's a part of them so we understand that there's a reason why he's so dope at what he does I'm saying to Charles's point

throughout the whole movie I'm like yo she just she just spun and kicked the shit out this motherfucker I'm like I didn't know she could do that even Captain Marvel's from the armed forces so at least I'm like All right, you got some training. You know how to do this shit. Miss Marvel, you go to a fucking Jersey City school.

Hold on, hold on. We never see, like, Scarlet Witch doing karate on people. When it's time for Scarlet Witch, you get down. Scarlet Witch uses magic. Can you imagine if Scarlet Witch came up somebody and she just kicked the nigga in the shin and then jumped up like Trinity and bust him in the shit?

You're like, yo, wait a minute. Like, you know what I'm saying? I didn't know you could do that. Like, go straight hand to hand. She's fighting a Dora Malaj. Hayden. All right, midnight meter. The midnight meter is a scale of 1 to 10.

Films and television shows. The sacred 11 and 12 reserved for pivotal game changes. All right, real quick. I'm going to go first. I give the movie a 7. Charles? Yeah, this is a 5.

Jesus Christ. You know what? I'm standing on it. You want to know how I'm standing on it? I'm tired of being scared, bro. I'm tired of acting like, y'all, you know what? When I love shit, y'all are just like, all right, he's in the pocket of the big Michael Mouse.

When I hate shit, it's like, fuck this n-hacket, take him back to the fucking jerk on. And I'm just like, you know what? I'm standing on business. It's a product, bro. Wow. Oh, my God. Hey. Oh, my God.

Dude, this is, I'm having so much fun right now. I can't agree. Oh, my lordy. Oh, Lordy. Good. I'm done, bro. I was a hard. I'm tired of being scared.

That was the hardest ER in 1956. Crazy, bro. That's a hard ear. That came from deeper than your soul. Dog. From your chest. Tell them how you really feel, brother. Dr. King is in heaven somewhere going like, yo, what?

I don't know. Like, Dr. King's. Your neighbors? If you got black neighbors, they're kind of like, hey, hey, yo, what? Jesus Christ, Chuck Wagon. That was a disturbance in the force, Mike. I love it. Show me, where are you at on the midnight meter?

Man, Young Avengers aside, I think the movie has problems, definitely. But at the end of the day, as long as we had fun, that's really all that matters. I'm going to give it a seven. I'm going to give it a seven. I had a good seven. Okay. I think that it has a little, yeah, it's got problems. I was entertained.

I ultimately was very pleasantly surprised, but it's kind of hard to ignore how this movie paces itself along with everything it tries to throw up in the air. So I will give it a six for that. Yeah, that's good. Y'all are weak. Yeah. Look, that, all right, cool.

Two sevens, a six and a five. Midnight boys are all the way live. Okay, I got to go, guys. This was a great podcast. This was a great. Are we, like, we're doing like House of Art now. The podcasts are long as a movie. Look at us.

We are about to hit the runtime of the Marvels. We just love it. And we just liked them for real. You guys. That's a rap. I love you guys so much. I love hanging out with my bros, man. I swear to God, bro.

I swear to God, I love hanging out with my bros. bro. You should not be able to get paid for this. Like this is so much fucking fun. That's all right. Follows on socials, Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. Save Jomey's job. Coming up on the feed on Saturday, House of R will give you their deep dive on the season two finale

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Right. She was. No. No. No. What if they're asexual? We don't even know. All right.

Bye. We are out. Last question. How many times have you been to O block, Steve? To O'Block? Yeah, you live in Chicago. I wouldn't dare. Why?

We're not. You think I'm going around? No. Steve, Steve, go to O Block. Let me tell you something. I'm serious. You say for the old block, I've been.

Yeah, I know you've been. Yeah, I went there. And so. Did you check in? Yeah, you got to check in? Hold on. I checked in. By like Engelside?

Yeah, no. Hold on. Hold on, first of all. I am the king of checking in. I check in. Okay. I check out.

I check in in the middle. Like, I check in all the time. I haven't even been back to Chicago. And I still hit up Chicago King, Dave. I still. still hit up all my people just in case I got to go there. I'm the king of checking in. I have no problem with it whatsoever. Like I hit people up while I'm there. Yo man, I'm just checking

into my hotel. I'm still good. Yeah, man, don't hit me up again. Ask people. I checked, I went to Detroit. I hit Royce to 5'9. Yo, bro, nothing better not happen to me. I'm checking in. Yeah. Did you hear your boy academics? Now you got to check in with him if you want to go to Toronto. If you were a streamer out there, you got to check in with academics. So, hey, man, people got different flexes for different type of ways. I went to, I like, I hit some thug. I was, I was in Houston. I'm like, just letting you know, if anything happened to me out here, it's your fault, dog.

This is official check-in. I don't give a fuck. So when Charles pisses off Drake again, which he will. Yo! But see, I know people in Chicago, I can check, and in Toronto, I can check in with, you know. Shout out to Matt Babel.

And look, I'm not doing all of this. But look, um, can we give Steve the alley-up? Steve's been biting at, like, he's been wanted. You've been trying to talk about these scrolls, man. Steve, real quick, real quick. I will say this. We're going to get into the scrolls.

Go ahead and talk about the scrolls. But Charles's point, it stands. I want people on the internet. This is the first day. We're going to do like a, you know, like there's been this many days without an accident. Yeah. We're going to start counting the days until you visited O'block. So this is the first day.

Reset the clock. Yeah, I need, no picture. I need like an Instagram live. I need an Instagram live. You can't come, you can't come take a selfie and leave. Right, right, right, right. You can't do the six times, bro. I'm calling upon the fans right now.

You got to take a picture by the King Vaughn mural. Yo, okay. Shout out to rest in peace. Every day you don't do it. This is the first day that you haven't gone. Pay my respects to the Vaughn mural, yeah. We're counting the days until Steve goes to O'block.