The Ringer-Verse - The MCU Time Capsule | Mint-Edition

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

In celebration of the upcoming five year anniversary of ‘Avengers: Endgame,’ Jomi and Steve take a moment to both look back at the monumental moment that the film was, and then look forward to what’s next for the MCU. Listen as the guys share their predictions for the future of Marvel ranking from most likely to least likely. Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Visit weathertech.com today. Hello and welcome back into the ringerverse. The ringer's next podcast for all things fandom. Welcome back to Mint Edition, the once in a while podcast about all the latest fandom that you just can't live without. I'm Steve Olman. I'm Jimmy Deeran. And it's a Monday. Boy, I.

I hate Monday. I know it's cliche, but man. See, you're saying about Mondays, man. Like, those, that's how you know who's really locked in. Right? It's not, when you get up, you get ready for Mondays, you know, you wake up 6 a.m. You know, hit the gym. Are you bootstrapping this attitude?

Brother. Brother, this is my, I'm pitching new podcasts right now. All right. Spotify, if you listen, they tap me in. We need like, it's just like the Alpha, the Alpha Deneron podcast. Alpha Deneron podcast. I don't think I like that. The Ringers first Alpha Mail podcast.

First Alpha Mail podcast ever. Forget Joe Rogan don't count. Right. Joe Rogan don't count. It's me. And here's what we do. And pennies on the dollar, by the way, Spotify. Yeah, by the way, I don't need $300 million.

I don't need all that money. You can pay, you know what I'm saying? Just put a down payment on a house for me. We get that thing wrong. Right. It's just me. And I'm just like, look, you know, I'm like, yo, you got to wake up at 6 a.m. It's a gym.

Come home. Just eat spinach. Don't like just just raw spinach. Your pop-eye? Yeah, just eat raw spinach, right? Go to work. you work nine to nine, right? Because 12 hour days, that's how real people work.

That's how our forefather used to work, right? And I say that, I do that on the, I say that from the podcast, like, you know, once or twice a week, right? But in real life, I don't do that. No, you never do that. I was like, wait, I'm like, you're just going to lie for an hour a day. I would have put out like a persona, right? And people in real life and go be like, you're not living your reps. You're not, I know who you are.

I am familiar with your game. You do not do that. Don't worry, folks. If you were ever curious about it. about whether or not if Jomey lives his wraps when it comes to throwback jerseys, it absolutely is the case. He definitely lives his rap. He wears that wherever he goes.

I love me a good throwback. The thing with the throwback, because that's like not like a, like the throwback is the look like the look of that Dug's jersey is old school, right? No, that's a perfect jersey. It's a perfect jersey. Well, because it's also like not real because it's Adam Banks from Mighty Dugs. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's no real player.

So by online was like. next to the Stanley Cup being like, that's my goat. Right? Somebody on line was like, man, I know that's a fake jersey. It's like, yeah. Because the guy's not real. Oh, it's very much not a real jersey.

I'd be Launchpad McQuack in that jersey. You know what I'm saying? I have a black, a black Conway jersey. Oh. At the crib, that's not real either. But somebody made it and I was like, I've got disposable income that I, that I, see,

I don't spend on. I got grown up money and I could buy grown-up kids things. Because I'm not buying raw spinach. And I'm waking up at 11 p, 11 a.m. on the weekends. And that's, And that's why you love Mondays. That's why I love Mondays.

Well, speaking of Mondays, we got some programming reminders before we begin this next. What did that have to do with anything? Speaking of Mondays, I start about Mondays and then we got here. Is there a show coming on on Monday? There's a show coming out tomorrow. See? You just do a segue out there for no reason, man. Yeah, we got to move the show on.

All right. Tomorrow, the House of Our is going to be giving you their spring mail bag. So get your questions in. Hobbits and dragons at gmail.com. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys, will be checking. checking in once again with X-Men 97 and Shogun. I will be watching this time. And on Friday, House of Art,

we'll be giving you their X-Men-97 check-in once again. Man, X-Men 97's cooking with grease. X-Men 97 is the best. It's awesome. Again, I think I said it on the first spot that we did about the show, but I didn't know how much I was going to like it. I was like, there could be some stuff in here that's rocking with me. halfway through,

probably outside of Shogah, maybe. Might be the best thing, or the thing I've most enjoyed us, or me personally, the thing I've most enjoyed watching all year. It's weird because I don't, I don't get a lot of Shogun discourse outside of my,

my colleagues at work. Because, like, every time that I talk to people about Shogun, nobody I know watches. And I'm like, okay, I'm spreading the gospel. You're also off Twitter, so. That's fair. Every Tuesday.

I'm like, yo. Universal acclaim for, Oh, dude, 97 is... Now Universal. There's one guy. Well, there's one guy. There's one guy. There's one guy.

There's always one. Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, we're here with the X-Men expert. Yo, you know, we talk about how much we love X-Man. Kerm. What do you think about the first five episodes, man? Brother. Mm. Real shit?

Mm. This is real TV right here. Yeah. Real television, man. First of all, RIP, my nigga, Gambit. Tough. Went out like a G. I'm not even a gambit guy.

You know what I'm saying? Now you are. Not even a g. God. Went out like a G. Um, I do want to say, though, like, Gene getting mad at Cyclops with the whole, you know, uh,

I feel the type of way about that clone business. Yeah, that clone business while you went and kissed Logan like five minutes before. It's crazy, right? Crazy work. Crazy work. Like, let's just, let's just be real now. Like, let's be fair in this whole situation. You can't be blaming one person.

Van was trying to get mad at us. Van was like, yo, man, y'all. y'all y'all not sign on with y'all you're mad at cyclops for what i'm like bruh it's not so we're mad at cyclops we're breaking down the situation it's not i mean for me personally it's not even about cyclops it was said that madlin did that and was like yeah that was like yeah i was just out there dirty mac in the streets what you're going what you're going to do like she got back to me and was like just a little it's a little distracted and emma who's also telepath was like not to be a full nerd that was such a great deep cut with emma being right there

because in the comic books i think what inspired that and uh new x-man when scott first started dating Emma, he cheated on Gene telepathically with Emma Frost for a while, and then Gene gets into the dream, into the little shit. Okay, cool. So, we're going to get to the time capsule predictions real quick. But cheating with the... Mother of your child. No, no, no.

Telepathic cheating, what is that? Is that just having, like, a liaison telepathically? Was it, like, actual, like, emotional cheating? Like, what's the... Emotional cheating for sure. It's emotional cheating for sure. But, like, it'd be one thing if, like, if it'd be one thing if they were, like, out there saying, like, hey, they're having, like, an emotional affair, right? Telepathically.

But if it's like, hey, what's up? Scott? Oh, what are you doing? That's weird. That's like, okay. Me personally, if I'm a telepath and we got this little, this telepathic agreement between me and my girl, and I find out some other nigger is in her head, that's cheating to me. Okay. That's even if it's not even sexual.

Like, why y'all talking telepathically? So you can understand why Jean feels the way she feels, right? Yeah. Oh, I feel it. So they like. Open your mind. show me your phone, show me your mind. Right?

But like she was ready to jump on. If Logan wasn't a, he's a better, he's a better man than me. Because like the idea that Logan was like, you're Gene, he's Scott. Like that's great. If Logan wasn't a good person, it'd be a different episode. Straight and narrow for him. Wow. That's a great Logan impression, by the way.

All right. All right. Well, on today's show, we take a look. It's a big week. Oh my God. Five year anniversary of the. Endgame, we celebrate this monumental cinematic achievement and submit our picks, the MCU Time Capsule. It's a Time Capsule. We're going to put our predictions at the time capsule.

All right? And we're going to open the time capsule. We'll explain it later. But let's go. Before we begin, Avengers Endgame might have been a big movie, Jomey. Might have been. Maybe. Just might have. Some are saying. Surrey's still out. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Released on April 26th, 2019, directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, touting a 94% on the imperfect metric known as Rotten Tomatoes, and with the total box office of $2.799 million, the second highest grossing film of all time. The culmination of the MCU and the Infinity Saga and a major turning point in pop culture and cinema.

Now, we've got favorite moments, we've got universal acclaim, but my thing for you, Jomey is, What do you think is the biggest takeaway that you've gotten from endgame looking back five years from now? I think for me what it is is that that moment in time can't be replicated. It can't be duplicated ever again, I don't think. There was just an unreal level of hype, although I would argue that the hype for Infinity War was a little more exciting to me. but just from those again you have the run of movies

starting with Thor Ragnarok Black Panther and Infinity War and it's just like the MCU's at like an all-time high Infinity War ends and you're like yo how are they going to resolve this story how is this whole thing going to go down and then we have to we had to wait 365 days to find out

it was kind of and with put Ant Man in there whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa respect Ant Man And the wasp? Respect. Walton Gaggins. There's a lot of disrespect going around. Magana, Atman.

Here's what I'll say about Atman. I watched that movie. I watched Atman the night before I went to Japan or to Asia for a month, right? Amman of the Wasp? Amen to the Wasp. Okay. So in 2019, you saw that. 2018.

2018, yes. 2018. 2018. And so I'm locked in. Like, the movie is, you know, so whatever. You know, it is what it is. It's not a lie. But the scene, the end credits scene, or the post,

credits, the mid-credit scene, sorry, where they're on the roof and they're doing the thing. And they go into the quantum tunnel. And then Ant-Man's like, yo, where are all at? What's going on? And you see everybody dust? Audience was like, yeah!

That's such, okay, but I feel like that's such an unfair thing to both release Captain Marvel and Ant Man and the Wasp in between those two movies because I feel like the collective conscious was all looking at their watches going through both of those movies, I mean like, okay, what does the end credits have to do? with what endgame is going to be coming up. Like, we're just like, okay, when does Captain

Marvel, when do we see the disintegration of Nick Fury, when do we see what has to do with the snap? All right, let's get to end game right now. I mean, there's a little bit of that. I think it was worse for Ant Man, though. I think for sure Air Man. I think so? Well, because we see to Amman. We know who A man is. We don't know who Captain

Marvel is. Like, that's interesting enough to be like, all right, cool. How do we introduce like this powerful character? Like, there's something to be said there versus Ad Man. It's like, all right, cool. Yeah, he shrink. he big? He small? Yeah. He shrink. He big. You know? Like, again, I enjoy

that movie because I do like, you know, the the heist elements of it all. And, you know, Paul Redd's a delight. And, like, Jimmy Wu, shout out to Randall Park. You know what I mean? But I got to understand my honor and I'm not with it. But I mean, the end of the day, the whole thing was end game is coming. It's

going to change lives. And like, it did. It really did. Like, I'm trying to remember how I felt coming out of the theater when I first saw Endgame because it's I genuinely remember like being sat there I was crying obviously

like because you see the end before the end credits it's Stephen Peggy finally dancing and it's been a long long time and not all I mean the whole movie is like an homage to like looking back like literally you go back it's the biggest well like the last like

half hour is like a massive victory lap for everything that came but I mean like literally they spend a third of the movie, the middle half of the, or the middle part of the movie going like, hey guys, remember, remember the dark world? Yeah, remember Avengers? Yeah, yeah. That's kind of going to be a bit of a linchpin coming out in for this.

Let's go. And so again, you have like this, you know, delight in the theater, but at the same time, again, that, you're right, that last half hour. I'm talking, like, from the, from Tony snapping his fingers to literally, like, the

hammering at the end of the credits. it's legitimately like, hey, guys. Aborious. Y'all. Yeah. We're kind of doing it like this. I mean, they have the funeral,

and it's every single person who means something to the MCU is there. You know, they brought, they dug up Harley Keener from wherever he was, said, hey, you're going to show up. By the way, did you hear that story about Anthony Mackey

getting mad at somebody on that set when they were all there that one day? What happened? I don't know. But he's like, I think he's on the concept. circuit and he's talking about, like, how I hate actors. He says that I hate actors.

And there was one actor on set that day that I really wanted to punch. And he was getting me mad. But we were on this huge lake, and I just decided to go fishing. And I went fishing to call myself down. So Anthony Mackey, Captain America, is beefing with somebody on that, in that funeral. Hold on. Who would he beef with? That's what I'm trying to find out.

I'm thinking about like think about the people who like are not like so Bradley Cooper's not there like rocket's there but Bradley Cooper's not there right I assume like Mark Ruffalo he's CGI I want to see who he's standing next to well he's standing I know exactly brother who he's it I guess this is off the dome right he's standing right it's um him winter soldier and um Wanda right right those three are in a group together right so I mean I know like him and Sebastian have like before they seem like they actually do like working together so couldn't have been It could have been him. Like, who's goofy enough? Who's not taking a serious? Who do you think it's like not taking a serious enough? I'm going to guess Michael Douglas. No, no way, Michael Douglas. You know how?

Hey, yo, Mike, we need to show up to the lake for, for, you for 30 minutes. He's like, there's no way he was locked in like that. Or locked out like that. It's either that or maybe one of Hawkeyes' kids. I don't think it's like anybody I really think of right? Like,

because I can't imagine they're there just like, man, well, let's have some fun on this. Like if Anthony Mackey's locked in, guys, come on.

Think of the pedigree of the actors in there. You got Michelle Fiver. You mentioned Michael Douglas. Chadwick Boseman, rest in peace is there. Now Angela Bass, it's not there, but Akoye and Latisha Wright are there.

You know, all the guardians are there aside from Gamora right they're all there maybe it's Chris Pratt I feel like okay as much as I want that to be true

I don't think so I don't know why and I'm not trying to cape for anybody here but I feel like it's too much of a pile on on Chris Pratt so that it's too easy of an answer I think it's too easy and of an answer are you fine find a white man's battle Steve I mean you have to

still. I don't have to do anything. But, I mean, but that scene is very important. I mean, again, everybody that means something to MCU is there. Then they do the credits, which I frankly think are the best credits we've ever seen. Everybody gets their own title card. Their little autograph. And I want to, and I'm glad we got back to this because that whole like autograph thing, like it means something.

But in my theater, I don't know about your theater. in my theater when when when to go to Robert Downey Jr. Just raucous applause. Oh,

it was crazy. It was when they got to the big three when they got to Hemsworth Chris Evans. Well, I mean, there was always like a little smattering of claps, you know what I'm saying? But like, I want to say like a concert.

It wasn't that crazy. But it was like a theater. Like Robert Downey Jr. was in front of us just like did his thing, did his like curtain call, did a bow. And then everybody's like, yeah. It's as if he was on stage. Exactly.

It was just like that. The audience were crazy. I would never forget that. No, no. It was awesome. Pure magic when I came out of the theater. So you mentioned this before and this will lead into our predictions of this. Do you think the MCU can get back here?

Do you think this can ever happen again? And I'm not even so much thinking financially, but I mean culturally. Do you think we could all be that collectively excited for something ever again? Like is the time, is the time passed? or like you allude to the X-Men here. Do you think it could be it? I think, I mean, we're going to talk about like the things we think about the future. But I think it can be.

I don't want to give specifics here because we're going to get into it later. But I do think the MCU can absolutely get back into that back. I don't know if we'll reach like the same heights. Because again, that's like a single moment of time. You know, it's be like an enlightening strike twice, you know. But at the same time, I do think with them getting all these characters, characters back, there's an opportunity to see stuff on screen that we haven't seen. And I think if they can, like, honestly just start making good stuff more consistently,

we'll be locked back in. We'll be locked back in. Interesting. I don't know. It is a very hard thing because we never thought that we could get something like endgame ever. I'll tell you what. I think my hot take is like the event, like, end game working is like a combination of like 11 years of like good stuff. that's it's extremely impressive.

I don't know if it's more impressive, but I will say it just as impressive is Avengers working. Like the first, like phase one. And then it builds and builds and builds on top of that. But that's what I'm saying. Like, it's one thing to get like, you know, you do phase one, you do phase two,

our phase three, like, you can like look at the through line of how all that makes sense and game being the huge success as it is. I get it. But Avengers working at all, like from Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor,

Captain America, the First Avenger, and then culminating with Avengers and going, everybody going like, yo, oh, yes, we want, let's do this for the next 10 years. Exactly. You know, it's kind of crazy because we weren't doing that with Super Real movies or films to begin with, really.

Everything had like sequels, but like... The serialized nature of the continuous continuity, continuous continuity, single continuity that we work through and now leading it to end game and beyond is it too big? Is it in need of a reset?

Do we like are people getting burnt out? There's so many questions to happen. So if you don't mind, I think that we can lead this right into our little time capsule. Our time capsule predictions, dogs. Time capsule predictions. We're putting it. Because we're

because we're putting it. For those of you who are unaware, Midnight Boy. as we said we're doing this. Van and Charles got on their their uppity high horses and we're like, well that's technically this, technically that. And it's like,

look guys, we're taking our predictions, right? We're looking back, just like, we're going like, oh, okay, five years since end game.

What could the next five years of the MC hold? We're to make predictions. We're going to put it in a little box. We're going to do it on this podcast. And then we will unearth them in five years, right? We'll look back and go,

hey, what do we think was going to happen? Remember when we thought this? And they poo-pooed the idea even though they didn't give any solution. They want a magic eight ball. A magic eight ball.

No. Right? That's not the concept. Chuck's on an eight ball if you ask me. That's not the concept. No. So this is what we're doing. That's what we're doing.

All right. And let's do it. All right. Our MCU time capsule is going to go a little something like this. Each of us are going to get four predictions. Rank them from most likely to the absolute least likely

in using the easiest to the easiest to describe way that we can think about. Basketball metaphors. Hooping. Oops. The easiest and most likely would be a layup, a mid-range shot for sort of likely, half-court shot for maybe, maybe, sort of possible, and then a 94-feet heat for, ah, that's pretty impossible. It's never going to happen. But maybe it does. It could be a 90, we could call it a 94-foot heave or a Gabe Vincent open three-pointer. Oh, wow. The Gabe Vincent Award could actually be...

It's never happening. It's not happening. That's what we could call it. It's not going in. Absolutely not. All right. Gabe Vincent for three. You start ducking.

You like, hey, oh. I love those old Russell Westbrook memes where it's just like a shattered backboards. It's like Russell Westbrook for three. Well, the Western for three, no backboards it tatters. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. All right.

Well, our predictions can encompass a majority of the MCU's business, movie casting, box office, anything that has to do with the momentum of the, MCU industrial complex is on the table here. So spoilers for anything that's come before, since, and everything in between, we're going to be putting these into our mid-edition time capsule and then unearthing them five years from now if the robots haven't taken over

and then see how right we were or how wrong. Yeah, it's probably wrong. It's time for our layup. Jomi, give me your layup. What's most likely to happen in the MCU in the next five years? So my layup is kind of crazy because it's definitely happening, but they haven't officially announced.

yet, but we're getting that Young Avengers out here, bro. We're getting them. Right. We're getting the Young Avengers. We're getting... It feels so weird to think that we haven't formally announced that because they've announced everything until 2026. And this is like part of my prediction too is I think it's going to be a film.

I want it to be a series. I know that sounds a lot. I know, you know what I'm saying. I understand. Y'all listen to me. Listen to me. You'll see what's happening with X-Men right now. imagine that, but like, with teenagers, you know what I'm saying?

And they out there like, hey, man, interpersonal relationships, like, beefing and, like, going through their thing. And, like, you also have, like, a villain you got to fight. But in the day, you got to come together and it's like, yo, man, what the hell was that? I, like, in two, sure, you can have that happen in two hours. But over, like, of course, the 10 episodes, like, that, like, kind of, like, team. Yeah, this, I mean, it has to be good. If it's going to hit, it's going to hit for sure. But I mean, like, we like, you know, Kamala Khan, you know, Amman Volani was like,

Save the Marvels, basically. The absolute rock star of that movie. We have, you know, the home girl, Kate Bishop, you feel me. What's it called? Cassandra Lang. Cassandra Lang. Isaiah Bradley was in a... Patriot.

You know, we had, like, all these... Patriot in there. These hints, you know what I'm saying? There could be something there. So, I agree with you that I think a long-formed, like, assembling of a... kid team is great and I think I think that that formula can work

MCU's too big for that I don't know like it has to be a movie I think it has to like you're not going to put Haley Steinfeld in another TV show but like who's watching that? Who's watching like everybody hopefully hopefully I think it's like Young Avengers movie coming to you 2027

I mean Jomey you will contribute to 5 million of this $100 million gross wherever it happens you know that guy who's just the Dune who's like Dude watching Dune 28th time Yeah That's gonna be

It's called me Yep Young Avengers Fent theater IMAX 4K There we go Bro they're gonna be mad at me

At the AMC man The A list is gonna be like Yo That's enough We've had enough It's gonna be a revolving door You're gonna walk into one theater And then you're walk across

To the next one I'll be like Do you get at least 10 million out of me Yeah So you can just like bump up that budget a little more There's gonna be A Jomiaderon

Inflation box On Box Office Mojo Just for you My thing is like I don't know if the folks on the streets are ready for that? You know, I think maybe like even in the MCUs heyday

that would have been like a push, right? Like, come see these young teens, fight crime, and even know like they're not as cool as the guys you know, but again, that's what, like, End Game, again, was Pandora's Box because it was either, and I forget to say this one, I thought about this

when I came out of the theater. When I came out of the theater for Endgame, I was like, okay, I either have to see every single Marvel movie and thing forever now or I should stop right here and never see another thing again. And this was two years before I got this job. So we all know how that worked out.

I think it could be fun, right? I think there's something to like putting them on Disney the Disney Plus, Hulu, whatever they want to go. The Disney Lu? Disney Lu Plus. It's on Doodoo. We can't call it that. I like Dulu better than Dulu.

Dulu is crazy. Well, that's because they merge now. Disney and Hulu. But I'm saying, but you got showgun. You got X-Men on there. You're calling it doodoo? Dulu? Dulu Plus.

Dulu Plus. I like Dulu Plus. Dulu Prime? Curb doesn't like it. Kerm's making a fuss. It's on Tudu? Even if it's not Dudo, it sounds too close to Duda. Let's not do that.

There's got to be something better. Where are the Tubby movies going? No, no. They're going, like, it's actually called the toilet. Here's the thing. Okay, with those memes, like the Tubi movies, like are those actual movies that are on Tuby or is that like just a took a bad movie and said it was on Tobey.

Brother, I fear those are real movies. I fear those actually. Because it's not like even like a Tyler Perry type of situation. It's like a dude just like throws a chair and then another room explodes. I'm just like what? That's ridiculous. For the angle of interesting, I think a TV show works better because like my thing, something like I think about like opening like the episode of the season or whatever.

Like you can have like Yelena and Kate beefing or whatever. and then it turns, or like, they're fighting and you're like, yo, are they like on? Like, what's going on? It's like, oh, they're just hummies. Like, sometimes they hang out, they spar. You know what I'm saying? And you can, like, throw like a cameo like that and there or, like, actual have Jeremy Renner come through. I'm saying? If you got to have a movie, like,

two-hour movie, like, it's like taken away from some stuff. If you have, like, a scene where, like, she's got to go to New York or wherever. She's like, yo, what's up? Hey, man, you know, I'm just having problems. And he's like, you know, you got to aim for the heart or whatever. I don't write these things. but he tells us some nice advice

and then they go back and it's like six more episodes you don't have to like you can like sprinkle in like imagine like like Brie Larson you know kind of like talking to dipping in

yeah just like just like you know what I'm saying I feel like that would work way better for a TV show than film come to the the Disney garage in Atlanta where all of this is filmed anyway and you know what I'm saying like hey we need you for like

we need you for 90 minutes all right great slide in you know easy easy what about you I think That's very much a layup. Yeah, a layup. The image is coming.

I wanted to be a TV show, but it's probably going to be a movie. Steve, what's your layout? The MCU is going to double down on X-Men. I think that the easiest thing that's going to happen once Deadpool and Wolverine come out is the X-Men hype is going to be real and palpable. And I think a lot of the things that are going to be displayed in that movie, I don't have any insider information. But I think what's going to come out of that is absolute fervor for getting the X-Men and getting it right and having it to be fun. And I think we're going to see like this project to get greenlit or so-and-so is talking about starring in this. And the MCU is actually going to capitalize on that because I think it's going to be off the heels of the presumed, like, massive bump that Deadpool and Wolverine is going to give the MCU.

And I think that that's the thing It's like we feel the money again We got that feeling We got the X-Men coming back Let's triple down now I agree I think this is a really good layup Not only because of the things you said

But also because It's been a long time Since we've seen the X-Men Done like really well You know The first two X-Men films From the early 2000s It's pretty solid

Last stand Tough scene I hate to see it And then you go into First Class And Day's Future Past Great. Great stuff. But again, that's like older.

But like you'll get a, you'll get a, like a magnito on the hunt for Nazis when he's, when he's like in his 20s type of movie or a type of show. You don't remember this from first class? Oh. He was killing Nazis just like all across the coast. Okay, I thought you were saying like, we're going to get like, we're going to get like solo movies. No, no, no, no. But like it could be like a, like a, what is it?

What's that movie where they're. Nazi hunting with Henry Cavill. A league of unfortunate gentleman events. We can look this up. League of Extraordinary Everything. I wanted to be the League of Extraordinary

Gentleman every time. We need to remake that, by the way. That's my hot tape. No, we do. We need remakes now? Oh, whoa, whoa. No, hold on, stop. League of Extraordinary Gentleman comics

are amazing. They're super fun and that movie's fucked up, but I really think that we could have a great time with that. Could we? Yes. I genuinely agree. I don't believe you.

You better. Yeah, no, I legitimately think that the movie's called the Ministry of Vengementally Warfare. Again, it's the blank of blank in blank. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah, there's definitely a lot going on. But, yeah, like, what, Day Switcher Pass came out, what, 2014? Yeah. You would say that's the last good one?

No, Logan. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Logan, but even then, but we're talking like a team up, team of movie. You know, that's the last. I think that's kind... It's very hard with the X-Men because you can easily have individual character movies

and make that its own MCU in and of itself, but that's not what we want. It's not what we can't. Because all of that shit works when everybody's together. I think... But then you've got to onboard everybody with like,

okay, this is what Iceman does. This is what a cannonball does. This is what... Like, it goes on and on and on. And that's what a good movie can do, right? I think that's what they're going to have to do because, again, I'm never been hiring the X-Men in the name right now.

I can't do a Cyclops movie. Like, I just, I'm not interested. What if you love it, though? I don't, I don't care. What if you end up loving it? I don't care if it's, I don't care of a citizen Kane. They all have to be great for me to like. Come said, one of the best X-Men around.

Everybody I love. I love me some Cyclops. Certain eras of Cyclops. I'm not, even me personally. I'm not watching a solo Cyclops movie. Come on, man. It's not going to work. How can I get you to watch a Cyclops?

I watch a storm movie. What Cyclops arc would you want to be in a movie that you're like, I'm there? I'm sad. There's no Cyclops arc that doesn't involve the X-Men. Like, there's no solo journey I want with Cyclops. Like, his thing is that he's like the leader. All right, all right. He's the team player.

It just doesn't work by himself. You will not find me there. I'm sorry. You're not finding me there. So hopefully we start to, you know, cook. We just say get X-Men off the trip. But I do agree that the X-Men, they're going to lean on the X-Men heavy. This episode is brought to you by Prime.

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My mid-range. What's your mid-range, man? What's your 15-footer? Okay. Um, my 15-footer is that again, this is going to sound a little pessimistic, but Marvel is going to hard cancel one of these movies. Which movie?

I don't, this is tough. All right, so I was looking at the roadmap here, and I'm going to keep it brief, just for like the things that are coming out this year and beyond. All right, so we got Deadpool coming out in July. Yes. Agatha Dark Hole Diaries. By hell or high water, that shit is coming out.

Jesus. Christ. All right. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. animated Spider-Man that we saw footage of. No comments. Eyes of Wakanda. The animated Wakanda series. Captain America, Brave New World. That movie.

Definitely coming out because they got Harrison Ford in the big red suit. Allegedly. Thunderbolts happening. Fantastic Four. Happening. Yeah. Blade. I think

I think Blade gets redone to Midnight Suns. Ooh. I think that's what they do with. Oh, show me. What? Because they're just looking around like a look. Oh.

Because Marhershala, I love Marhershola. I think Van says this all the time. He's too old. He's too old. He's too old to be doing all this stuff. And so if you just make like a Blade movie, it obviously could be interesting. But when you really think about it,

they do the whole setup with the Ebony Blade in Eternals with, John Stoke. He's got a name. Kid Harrington has a name. Kid Harrington definitely has a name. But I think at that point you have him, you have Blade, obviously, you have Moon Knight. You're like, yo, how do we get these people involved?

You can center the movie around Blade and Blade's like, hey man, he becomes like the Nick Fury at a joint. It's like, yo, there's some like vampire stuff going around. I need the sickest dudes. Like the Avengers is not going to help. The X-Men not going to help. Sure. I need, like, to go grab the dregs of the folks, Moon Knight, whoever, I guess at that point,

slide up, I need you. Right, yeah, yeah. I think my optimism brain says that Blade happens, and it leads into Midnight Suns, because I literally never thought about that until you just said it, and I was like, of course they do Midnight Suns. It's got a Blade. Of course they do Midnight Suns.

But now we're getting real dicey. We got Avengers, formerly Kang Dynasty title TBD. Yeah. And then Avengers Secret Wars, which they are obviously very much doing. Yeah. And then we have more live action Spider-Man sequels, Shang-Chi 2. So, Armor Wars? I think all of those.

The thing I do think, like, some of the TV stuff, and this is like, they've talked about this, where, like, you know, Bob Agar leaves and then Capchette comes, and they're like, all right, we're doing Disney. Plus, let's put all this stuff on Digi Plus. Let's go crazy. Let's make series for everybody. And then 2021 comes down. And then we all, everybody's making money because nobody's going out.

We're all just watching streaming. Like, oh, look at all this money. Let's just start making stuff. Aga of the Harkness, give her a show. Oh, Echo, oh, give them a show. Right, right, right. Who on a show? You want a show. You want a show. You get a show. You get a show.

They still pay taxes on those cars, by the way. Everybody gets a show. I wrote that piece. Like, people have to pay like $7,000. It's terrible. Imagine going to a show. Let's go on like your favorite daytime show. I like slide seven grand, then you get a car.

Yeah, and he says. They have to do it before they leave. Before they leave the show. They had to pay that money. It's crazy. Nuts. But yeah, I'm looking at like something like, I'm looking at like Ironheart. I'm looking at, I don't ag if this show going to come out,

but I think it's going to be like an echo type thing where it's like, all right. I didn't get to the one that I'm almost certain that might happen to. What? Iron heart. I, me look, man. And here's the thing. It defeats me so much. Shout out to Dominique Thorne.

You know, hey, she, you know, Wakanda forever. It was cool. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how much meat there is on that bone, buddy. But here's the thing. Like, they've shot allegedly most of it. They shot most of it. Like, and I'm just, what if they just bat girl this?

That's, I, Iron Heartwork in six to six episodes. It'll be part of Phase 5 of the MTC. Yeah. Gotta be honest. I don't care that much. Yeah, because Daredevil's for sure coming out. I don't know for sure coming out.

Again, like, that one echo, the agatha harkness, that kind of stuff from. I really think they're starting to tighten the purse strings on things that they don't know are going to be for sure hits. And it coincides with my layup of being that like, once the X-Men start hitting, people are going to be fully on board. I have a really good feeling that that's going to be the thing that gets the money flowing again. And I think that like, okay, we're going to, we can let Iron Hearts fall by the wayside. Let's bring in a rogue TV show or something like that. Let's, I don't know. Like, makes more sense.

A rogue TV show? Whatever. Not doing no, so, again. Again, it's not all going to be going to. How many times don't have to teach you this lesson, old man? No solo X-Men. No more. I don't care.

What is Rogue doing? Steve, what's Rogue doing? That you're like, man. I got locking on some rogue content. She's breaking men's hearts. That's what she's doing. Hey, man. It's terrible.

All right, Jomey, give me your mid-range. Come on. Actually, my mid-range falls into your mid-range a little bit. Talk about stuff getting canceled. I'm talking about the TV shows in particular. Okay. I'm not going to say they're getting rid of TV shows, obviously, but... Significant scale back.

Significant scale back. I'm talking like... You get one a year? One or two a year. Okay. Because I'm thinking about, like, thinking about price. I was thinking about the quantity versus the quality, right? This is something that I don't say it was like a...

officially reported, but we've heard, like, through, like, back channels. And this is all public, like, I'm not, not like inside. I'm not bringing any inside of knowledge. Reported upon, no one's officially said it, but it's a reporter upon that, like, Kevin Fagie's just stretched too thin. Sure. The reason all this stuff used to work like this, because they'd make a movie, Kevin Fagin would go in and be like, nope, here and this, change that, do this,

they do reshoots, and we come out and we'd be like, hey, guys, that was at worst, a seven out of ten. Right. And we keep it pushing. But with all the gluttony of content that they decided to make in the wake of 2020, 2020, 21. Right. He just physically can't do that. Yes.

And how they operate. It's just unsustainable. And so that's why we're looking out of the stuff like, yo, where's the QC? Where's the quality control? They don't have that. And so in the next five years, like, again, they've promised a lot of people all this stuff. They've already made a bunch of this stuff. But going forward in the next five years, it's going to be like, ah, even with that,

like the penny pitching even though like everybody's looking around like hey there's no money we are uh we are all broke even without that i think to if you want to rebuild the marvel brand you want to turn the marvel brand back into what it was ah you can't you can't just be um it can't be fine from the hip yeah a lot of a lot of businesses overspent in the pandemic and it kind of made sense to like double down on streaming services streaming models like disney and marries and marvellousy and were the biggest things ever right after Endgame came out. And then, boom, pandemic. Okay, we've got amazing programming coming for you.

It's going to be Marvel all the time. It made sense. And now, they've gone too far, too fast, and they significantly want to scale it back and probably get back to the basics of the things that they know make money, and they know end up being worth it. And that's good movies.

Yeah, I mean... What a time. It's, yeah, again, I've said this a dozen times. And the thing is, I don't want to get in a soapbox here, but now we're like literally paying for it. Their mistakes, you know, it was nice and sweet in the panty. Right? Everybody's at home.

They're like, hey, yeah, you can pay, you know, hey, $599, no ads, man, go crazy. Then they messed up. And now us as consumers are like, well, actually, yeah. Very sure. I mean, hey, listen. Yeah, Netflix has got to go up. Disney Plus got to go up.

At Mac's got to go up. And it's like, that's y'all fault. Why y'all mad at us? The addition's here to entertain you rain or shine. Well, here's what I'm saying. Content will be content. We'll be here. I'm going to say is capitalism is greed.

Mm-hmm. And we should, we should all be better. What's I'm going to say? Greed is good. Greed is, okay, okay, Gecko. What's his name? What's the dude's name? Yeah, yeah.

Gordon Gecko. Gordon Gecko, yeah. Yeah, I know, I know, I know Michael Douglas. I know Michael Douglas. That aren't just Ant Man of the West. Basic instinct? I was there. Oh, boy.

Really? No. No, you weren't. Sure, sure, as that wasn't. My half-court Eve, getting Spider-Man back. Marvel will get the rights to Spider-Man. I don't know, man.

Yeah. I think this is a, this is a 94-Phee. So here's the thought process behind it, right? At some point, you got to stop making Spider-First movies. Right? You can't just do that. Because when we really think about it, the last

good live action Spider-Man movie like the one like all right yeah we're messing with this one a lot it's probably Spider-Band too

just made solely by Sony made solely by Sony yeah so not not the Marvel Sony co-pros that were Tom Holland's Spider-Man yes because that was while like done in tandem with Sony and Marvel all Sony did was

paid a set and and they did revenue split of some kind that off the top of my head is not. Marvel did all the hard work like making this stuff. They made the shit. Yeah.

For sure. Here's why I don't think that's going to happen. Sony is too in love with their output to think that like, I think they're just spinning a roulette wheel every time they make a Spider-Man movie at this point. Where they're like, we don't care if it's good or bad.

If it will make money, we will keep this because Spider-Man is too valuable to get rid of. What do you mean by like make money? Because here's the thing. You do Venom. You do Madam Webb. You do Craven. Craven.

At some point, you're going to run out of people. We forgot Morbius. At some point. Morbius. Venom three. Like, okay, we're going to get a Green Goblin movie. Are we going to get a... We can get literally whatever...

A Doc Oc movie. Like, at some point, you got to look at yourself and do you're like, hey, man. Like, is it worth it? No, no, no. Because here's the thing. Madam Webb taught me this. Sony's Beyond. shame and they don't need your bad reviews in order to keep going.

If they can find a way to make a dollar off a Spider-Man, they will do it. But I don't even think they did with Madam Web, right? I think Venom would, Venom, like, some, they didn't learn the right lessons from Venom. They were like, oh, we made someone. I kind of feel like they did. Not a really big, no, because Madam Webb was a travesty to everybody. No, but I don't think Venom 3 could be bad, and I certainly don't think...

Venom 3 could absolutely be bad because Venom 2 is bad. I had fun. Let there be carnage. Did I say, being fun? Adam Wed wasn't fun. This is a lot of getting in trouble, right? Morbius wasn't fun.

Because this is why, and people get mad on me online, I'd be coming at y'all too much. I need to start decentering myself online. But this thing, You can like bad things. I like Transformers. I don't think. Like, there, maybe one and a half of the movies are good.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, one and a half, all the movies they made, you got Bumblebee, and then you have the first Transformers movie. Kind of. Kind of. And then the third movie is passable. Everything else is like garbage, right?

But I still like it. But you roll the dice every time. Every single time. That's Sony and Spider-Man. But my thing is about, about carnage, like, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's in the same vein where, like,

did I, did I hate myself watching this movie? Not, not really. Was it, like, kind of entertaining? Yeah.

Did it stink? Also, yeah. Right? The first one has, like, an interesting charm because they do, they do the thing

where they lean into, Tom Hardy. Like the romance of him. And Tom Hardy's, like, disembodied voice, having, like, a little,

like, thing and it's like, oh, this is kind of silly and can't be well. Huh. I didn't. It works. It's like, it's not great, but it like, it worked for what it was. And then they turned it up to 11 is too easy. They turn up to 175.

Right. For maximum carnage, it's like, yo. You're also leaving out one major, major point. Michelle Williams? No. The animated Spider-Verse films. But no, no, no. I said that outside of like live action, but you can't make those forever.

But that's the problem. Animation takes too long to make like that. And so they need to like keep churning. Because again, that's prestige and it's box office. You can't, but again, remember? It doesn't matter. The thing is too valuable. If they net a profit with all of those things,

and I'm pretty sure that they have, it doesn't matter. I don't think, like from their cold dead hands, will you get rid of Spider-Man? So here's thing, I mean, we could have set that with Fox and X-Men. Sure. And eventually they, I mean, that was a little different, because 20th century was like, hey, man, we got to eat.

I understand. The comfort's a bear. I'll tell you what, if I'm Sony, I'm never giving up Spider-Man. But then- I don't think I ever will. It's too valuable. I guess from a business perspective, I get, but. I'll be the fucking Sisyphus on the hill,

making those Spider-Man movies until the day I die. Man, you're not. And I get it from a business perspective, but I also feel like, at some point, yeah, I look around and be like, what can we do? Like, now you're just being, now you're just being stingy. right, which is part of it, but at the same time, if we're not making money and we're not,

and we're not like really doing anything with it, you could sell it back to Marvel for a price that offsets like all the stuff you're losing out on. What would you sell Spider-Man for? They bought Marvel and Star Wars for $4 billion each, right? They bought Star Wars for $4 billion. They bought Marvel for $4 billion too, I'm pretty sure I imagine. All right, so $8 billion total.

That's my price for Spider-Ber. You're smoking crack. $8 billion. Yeah. At that point I'm walking. That's your insane. Spider-Man, Marvel on its own with all its characters, right?

Now, how much, look up, how much did Disney spend on 20th century Fox? Okay. I like Spider-Man. I read Spada Man comics. Eight billion dollars? What the fucks you know about cameras? 52 billion. And that is a whole, like, conglomerate of stuff, right?

52 billion. I wouldn't spend more than five. But even then, golly, honestly, man. No, man, I'm Sony. The price of the bricks going up as you want. The price of the brick goes up as you want, brother. If nobody, again, it's worth what you're willing to pay for, man.

You literally can't make Spotify, like, they're like, yo, we're going to tell Miles story after that. Do you do like a live action miles? I don't, sure, I guess. People see it. Yeah, but then like, are, is it like a, are they going to be like, all right, cool. y'all can have Peter Parker

we're going to do Miles over here right but it's just like a solo a solo miles thing and I guess that could in theory work but then if you fail like that then you're like it's looking grim I suppose but like again I'm Sony

you're not thinking about the whole portfolio I got PlayStation okay I don't need movies to make that much money whoa you brother you know PlayStation didn't didn't crack like they thought it was the five did not crack like they thought it was yes it did what are you talking about

look up how many PS5 sold now then look at how many Xbox is sold Oh that's different Xbox is I mean the whole thing is We can get we can bro Let's not get to console wars right now

There is no console war Sony's winning I mean Is this all in the pod? Yeah Yeah yeah We're doing business right now 46.46 million PFs 5 sold

I'm fucking ready Nobody nobody said that the shit didn't sell I'm saying October 2023 that you know that we've sold more. I'm saying they did not. Like, fuck it. Columbia TriStar, do whatever you want.

Make five shitty Spider-Man movies and then put your whole ass into one of them that actually makes money and gets a lot of prestige. I'm fine. Okay. So here's what I'm looking at right now. They're saying that the, the PS5 did not outsell the PS2. Well, no, that's the greatest selling console of all time. My point being, it's that like the, the, the, um,

If I'm the umbrella of Sony and I'm like, yeah, we can let we can let those movies go because that's just one of our assets. We've got Ghostbusters sequels to make. Okay. We've got fucking shut. Now, shut your ass up. Sony unveils plan for financial unit IPO amidst sluggish PlayStation 5 sales. Like, it's not hitting, it missed, sales of Sony's PlayStation 5 missed the company's fiscal third quarter sales target, leading Sony to cut its full year sales projection. By the well, welcome to Mad Money Mint Edition, a new podcast where we talk about.

Hey, man. I got an MBA. I don't flex that often, but I do, I know a little bit of how this business works. Right. At some point,

the one thing that companies do as soon as they, like, it's a, what it's called it? It's, um,

Jet Sam, right? Oh yeah, Jetsam. Shit Sam. Yeah. Jet Sam. It's Jet Sam. It's,

they just start throwing stuff. Right. If Sony is looking down a barrel and it's like, hey, we don't have the bread. If I'm Disney, I'm like,

hey. Hey, here's, look, I'm a, I'm a start at three Billy. We'll go to five. Give us body back. We'll take that off the years. I might go to five. Don't worry. Do not worry.

So your half court shot. Half court shot is that Marvel gets Spider-Man back. Okay. What's your half-court heaf? All right. My half-court, I'm honestly between one of two because I don't know how likely these other things are to happen. Give me the one you think is the best one. we could parse the other one.

Okay, okay. The big three return to the big screen. Robert Donnie Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth. Steve. Steve, that's the easiest layup of all time. You think so? Brother, I don't think so. They're absolutely showing for sugar wars.

I think all three of them are way too expensive. No, expensive. A. Even though we just talked about like $5 billion. All it takes is for a, Kevin Fagie, hey. If I get it's on the phone, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, and Rob. I was like, Chris, some of the names, because that's weird. Chris Rob and Chris.

So, okay, you're Kevin Feigey. I'm one of the Chris's. You've got to find out right now. Quite literally, it's just like, yo, okay, man, we want to, you know, Sigur always want to get the band back together. Can you please come to Cam, Atlanta? I'm maximum two days, man, and you just shoot some stuff. It'd be really, like, it would mean something to mean. Like, I know.

and they would do, they would say yes. Hi, Kav. Chris Hemsworth here. We've got to be Australian. Hi there, Chris Abramsworth here. It's going to have to be like $7 trillion for me. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good.

A profit shit on the box office, isn't it? That's pretty good. Trip on the bobby. That's all I can do. No, dude, I mean, not $7 trillion. Hey, like, what's my rate? You know what I'm saying? I kind of feel like they would put out like

What? 50, 50 mil? I was just some bloody furiosia, mate. I'm not, I'm not going to budge on this, all right? I can't believe you had that in the tuck for so long. That's really good. I absolutely think they'll do it, like, they'll do it on a discount as a favor. That's just what it is. As a favor?

As a favor, absolutely. Absolutely not. Yeah, no, they'll do it. You think Oscar winner Robert Downey Jr. is going to come back for less than, like, $500 million? No, what? Yeah. That is different when you're the guy leading the show.

Hey man, we need you for like a cameo. You got to appear in a big group shot and talk to Tom Holland for like two minutes. Yeah, he'll do it. As a cameo. You don't pay people for cameos. Yeah, you do. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not like, not $500 million.

Depends? Yeah, you can probably like, I got an Oscar now. Price of the Bricks going up. For two days of work? Okay, maybe not 500 mil. But again, it's going to be crazy. It would be one thing if you were like, all right, they're going to be in like Secret Wars.

like they're going to like literally bring the bad back to them. It's going to be like, you know, fire off a couple of lasers, whatever. Yeah, that's what it's going to be. Like, that's not going to, like, man. You, I think in all, yeah, I bet you can get all of them for like 60 mil. Total. All three of them for 60 mil. Hey, $20 million for two days of work.

Come on, be for real. Chris Thomas already looked like the way and got to get in shape. How much did Robert Dun & Jr. make for like that, like his part in Homecoming? I think he made like. Like 5, 10 mil? I think you might have got back in too on that, which is... One million dollars per minute. So how many minutes it was in there for like, what?

15 minutes. 15 minutes. 15 million. Hey, 20 million dollars for less work? Absolutely. Come on. Jeez. Come on.

So, honestly, it's probably going to be like 10 million. Yes. They'll be there. Again, hey, we'll pay $20 million. I just want you to, like, do me a favor. Like, you know what I'm saying? We'll get the, what you call it? The Russo Brothers, too.

Everybody's going to be there, man. It's going to mean some to complete this journey in the MCU's to the MCU's run. It'll be like, hell yeah, man. Anything for Kevin, he changed my life. That's light work. That is pretty fair. Man, what a fucking story.

It's going to be, dude. Guys, everybody under the sign of my voice. When we go back, when we go to watch Shaker Wars, right? And we're like, man, I can't wait to see what happens this movie, when those people show up, man. You're gonna go crazy, bro. Of course. Of course.

I'll do a fucking backflip in the theater. I'm gonna go nuts. You know what I'm saying? Everybody get to show up except for Scarlett Johansson. Because I don't know why you didn't mention her for some reason. She died, but she could have, you know, you said. Now, she's done with Marvel. That Black Widow stuff, she was going to sue.

No, she got, but she got a bag. Yeah, she got a bag. But then like, she's like, I'm done with Marvel. For sure, she's done with her. She'll never go back. Again, all Kevin Faggiegie. Hey, hey, look, Scarlet, man. Scott is going to be like, yeah, I'm taking that five.

Like, yeah, I'll take that extra $5 million. Let's get down to Atlanta. That's light work. I mean, Ruffalo, Renner, they're all going to be there. I understand why, like, a heave. Rougho is an easy call, yeah. Yeah, like, it's not hard. Literally the only person in the MCU, rest in peace,

who's not going to be there, is Chowey. Yeah. Unfortunately, right? But every single person who's had an imprint on this series is going to be in Secret War. we're going to have literally like, there's going to be too many people on screen to even think about at one point.

Like, it's going to be awesome. We're going to all be there. It's going to be incredible. But they will absolutely, you got to stop me. It's going to be the most incredible thing we did. Of course.

I completely agree. And it just feels so unlikely because as often as they're being asked about it. Like you always see on press tours like, Chris Evans, would you ever come back? RDJ, would you ever come back? would you ever come back? And all of those questions are

like sound in the most professionals of ways that like the money's going to have to be so stupid that they, that like I would have to like be the second richest man in the world. Like it's kind of feels weird. Well, you know how it'd be some time. You know you need a bag.

That third house is not going to play itself. Look even, well, again, we're, look at us, man. We're just like looking up stuff. Robert Downey Jr. would happily return to play Iron Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah, and how happy would he be?

Let's go for $10 million a minute. This is how I know I'm cooking. I have not read this. I have not read this piece. It's two and a girl with part of my DNA down. He told Esquire of planning Tony Stark in an interview published Monday. That role chose me.

The newly minted Oscar winner also praised Marvel Studios president, Kevin Feigieg, never bet against the producer. It's a losing bet. He's the house. He will always win. All he has to do is make the call and they will be there.

Telling you. I feel like this half-course shot. That's my half-court shot? It's like a half-core heap, but it's like Steph Curry half-core heave, right? It's like you have a strong advantage. That's going in. It's going in.

All right. All right. Here comes by 94 feet heat. Kevin Feigey retires in five years. Five years? If a lot of the bets, here's the thing. If bets go south, he's definitely out.

I think that if it's going to be a massively great story, if he props up the MCU post-Fantastic 4, post-X-Men in a great place of ascension. If he restores the feeling that we were feeling like after like the first Avengers, he's out. He's done his job. He's brought it back from the gutter that was post-end game. He's done it twice. He's not going to do it again.

That's too much. I'm going to play along with you for a second here. I'm going to walk your path. What would it take for Kevin? fire. You're not saying he's going to get fired because I don't think he's no he's going to look around and go hey guys, don't want I can't

I think I'm going to make this a bit of a caveat here it's not so much that he retires but he takes a step back or he moves away from the head honcho at Marvel the chief creative officer his current position if he gets promoted within Disney if he takes Iger's job or whatever like I don't think he's ever going to do that he just wants to make movies but if he

but if he just if he takes if he goes away from his current position in Marvel in the next five years. I think that that could be in the cards if only it's in a place that he's happy with how he leaves it. Okay. I don't think he does that until Secret Wars. And Secret Wars is how many years away? That's in 2025.

2025. So that's 2025. Or 26, excuse me, 2026. Oh, man. In two years. I don't think that's coming out in 2026 because they would need to start. No, yeah. next year.

So we'll see. There's some time, but I do. I do. I mean, yeah, well, no. Actually, no. Because he loves the X-Men. He does. He's going to take that the entire way, right?

And so unless they like get it cracking in like the next five years and they go like to 2029 and then like we get, um, Sugar Wars and we do all the X-Men stuff. I don't think he quits until then. So the X-Men stuff is sorted. Like, until he does like an Avengers level event with the X-Men? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think he's going to walk away. That's possible. So post-secret wars, like, we're in phase, like, call it phase X of the MCU. And that's in its own upwards trajectory. Oh, say that again? Oh, phase X. Oh, Steve, write that down.

Write that down. That's right. Hey, copy write that. That's us. That's a minute edition original. It happens with on the phone. Come on now. I got on your title of joy here for it.

No, this is really, it's really funny. I do, I think, it's kind of like, to use the basketball under force some more, it's kind of like Greg Popovich getting wimby, you know? At first you're like, oh, well, it might be time for the old man. He's like, no, I got to see this golden boy through. Exactly. Like, he's old, like, there's not really much going on. Like, you could go home and call it. Nobody's going to be mad if he'd go home, you retire.

Because it's his time. He's done his time. Yeah, you've done what you can, man. Like all the stuff was fire, brother, five chips. Tim Duncan, Mano Ginobley, uh, Kauai Leonard, Tony Parker, all that. Br, bruh, congratulations. You're a legend, man.

Go out on, go out, go out. His legacy is secure. And then Wembe comes and the X-Man coming. Like, whoa, whoa. I don't know. I feel like I could go for like, 10 more years. But here, let's turn this back, though.

If he stays too long and things go too bad, but again, I mean, that gets worse. But I mean, I mentioned this one, when I talked about, my my mid-range, I think part of it is just there's too much stuff happening. So he can't have his hands.

When you're making like five shows a year, you physically cannot be the dude, you know, that he going, like, here's what this is. So I would do it. I think maybe he delegates, but that has not seemed to be his style. Like every single... Very hands on. Every single film,

every single, or every single film that came out from 2008 to 2019 had his Pringer Prince over it right it's it's so much so that they've built reshoots

into the filming schedule right it's like two principals diaries only one reshoot one day of reshoots congratulations I just wanted to deflate you

for a second I don't know why you did that I was on a roll man there's there's literally they do how many months of physical photography they cut the movie and then Kevin Faggie

watches it watch it again and it's like, nope, we literally rearrange the whole joint, and then we get, literally we get like a 7 out of 10 movie minimum. We're like, cool, but a good time. That was fun. Like, that's what it is. That's what it used to look like.

And so, again, with the X-Men coming, and Secret Wars coming, like, very pivotal moments, I can't imagine the dude who, like, is in charge of that, riding the ship as soon as, like, ah, how that. Like, yeah, again, like, brawn a little bit. I'm like, you got to start thinking about it. Like, what does this start to look like without you? Are you going to do this forever?

You can't do this forever. You can't do it forever. But I think, like, once, I think maybe, maybe the X-Men, like, he gets, he might, like, get that off on my phone. If he gets that plane off the ground. He gets that plane off the ground, maybe, but I don't think, like, again, I don't think sugar works coming to two years. And I don't think he's leaving until that's done.

That would be the culmination of everything. I say by the time that we opened this time capsule again, five years. Yeah. Yeah. Me, maybe. But I think, yeah, until. until the X-Men off the ground It would be huge

I would say Until the X-Men are off the ground And Secret Wars is out I would not Put any stock in that Okay interesting All right Jomey My 94-foot heaf

Something that would never happen A shot You know that just is never gonna It's never gonna occur A's in the show It's never gonna come back to the MCU Fucking Shoot that shot from the moon

Man That's never happening It's never happening I don't know if you guys have read Joanna Robinson's Joanna Robinson you might know her as the one half of the House of Art and also New York Times best selling author along with Dave Gonzalez and Gavin Edwards wrote a book about the MCU and in it there's a part that really hurt me was like ah all that uh that TV stuff

that um I'm I'm I'm paraphrasing here like you know let's maybe let me be very clear. But basically, anything that Joss Whedon touched is just persona non grata. So that includes Ageny. And so essentially it's just like, nah, we're not really.

We're not really coming out with that. Which sucks for me because I've said many times on this program and many others. I love those people. I love those characters. I love that story. And the fact that like the MCU's OG television show is not only

like will not be referenced but like basically gone to ether this point when they brought freaking Aston Mount back yeah for for multiverse of madness like they brought Blackbolt back Bacosie you know what I'm saying? Clark Gregg

can't get a call you know what I'm saying? I applaud you for keeping this fire going and frankly it's a massive upgrade of a it's almost like aggressively positive fan base I'm trying to find what the anti-Snyder bro is

and that's you with agents of shield you know like you don't harass anybody online you certainly don't like bang down the doors and make petitions or everything but you keep a fire going you have something in your heart

because the difference between the agents of shield fans and the Snyder Bros fans are we have a we live in reality right like we understand what it is so it's not of friends like they don't They don't really care. It's just like, oh, I'm going to go, I mean, do this. We're going to be loud.

We're going to be obnoxious, whatever. Ageeal fans, man, we've been in the mud for a long time, for a long time. And you just, you know what it is, right? Every single time, like, Stigantorovic comes out, Nick Fury and Colston are like, they're like brothers, brother. Like, in the show, season one, he comes, he's there, like, in like, two episodes. And, like, he and Colson and our relationship. The reason Colston's even until alive is because he was like, yo, we need, like, Project Tahiti was created to resurrect an adventure.

And he was like, Colson, to me, you're an adventure. That's why you're still alive. And then Sigur invasion happens. And that's why you're on all the posters and that's why you're definitely coming out. Siguron rage happens. They're even like, they're even mentioning that dude. You know what I mean?

We're looking at like all of Furious Pass and Colson don't even come up once. What if Colson's a cameo in Deadpool and Wolverine? That would mean something to me. It depends on how like, if it's funny, like, or is it serious? It's not making funny. Clarkson's got a sense of humor, right? I mean, I'm sure, I mean, as long as the show, I don't, okay, again, I don't need them to like, what I mean by seriously is like, are they just like, are they making fun of me? If they're making fun of me, I'm gonna be hot. If they look at the camera, they look at the camera and go, ah, she was not canning, bitch. I'm like, oh, well, that was. Show me a dead run. That was rude. I kind of felt like that was a shot at me personally. Um, but ultimately what it comes down to is, yeah, they're not really messing with the IP and it does suck. What, seeing like all these things come back, you know, Daredevil, man.

everybody's running it back. They're like, literally every single pre Disney Disney Plusification stuff, that was a weird way to say that.

But basically everything pre-2001 when they started putting everything on Disney Plus, they're like, oh man, we'd love to come back to MCU and everybody else

is getting a call. Literally every single person except for Iron Fist and in humans. Actually, no, not in humans, because we just talked about it.

Everybody except for Iron Fist is getting a call. Like, yeah, man. Like, Could I be back at MCU? Maybe, possibly there's a chance. But no, no, no, no Daisy, no Colson, no, no May, no fits, no Simmons.

Rest and peace, all. Like, it's just not going down. So, like, as much as I would love to see them, at least, like, acknowledge or some way. I'm living the reality. And, like, the next five years, I don't believe we'll see it. It's tough. Rest and peace, agents of shield. Oh, man.

That's our time capsule. Look, it's gonna be great in five years when I opened this thing. And I, and then... We were all right. They've had three agents show movies, right? You've exactly produced all of them? I've directed, wrote, and they're all on Tooby. There's no...

They're on Booby. What? I just love making up, like, I love making up streaming service names. I like, that's crazy. Doody. I think a fun game you can play with somebody is, like which, which,

uh, streaming service is real? Oh, it's live on Bebu Prime. You ever, you guys watch Crackle? I did watch Crackle for a second. You watched y'all was on Crackle?

I think it was, uh, oh man, there had to have been some movie that I saw that it was like, it's only on Crackle. Yeah, I watched, like some British TV show that I wanted to see.

Spectacular Spider-Man for a long time was only available on Crackle. Really? Yeah. And so I watched it through there. Damn. I mean, it was very spectacular Spider-Man was worth it, but it was still like,

you would act to sit through like 10 minutes of ads. to start every episode. It was bad. Wow. Built in bathroom breaks. All right. Any last minute smuggles before we go?

No. I'm really excited. I know people like pessimistic about the MCU where it is right now and like rightfully. So it's, you know,

that's a missus for sure. But I think the future is always bright, you know. And when you, when you wake up and you get your raw spinach after your, your 6-A and workout.

And you give olive oil a kiss before you go to work. And you let the sun touch your skin for the first time in the morning, you go, hey, man. Anything's possible. That's you. That's not a problem for me.

I don't have that problem. Anything's possible. And so while it's easy to sit here and be negative, I think if you look at it, man, there's some stuff with X-Men. It's fantastic four we'd even touch upon. Right. You know, I, that's my,

I mean, for the reason I love this stuff in a new way, like respect the first 2005 movie, have some goddamn respect. I think MCU's got some things working for it. And hopefully we can see some of that positively come to fruition. I agree. I think that there's a lot of great things to look forward to in the MCU. I really hope that we can get back to that great feeling.

It felt like lightning in a bottle for a couple of years, and it's because it was something brand new and exciting. And Endgame was the absolute culmination of that. And I think we could do better. I think we could do even more. And I'm looking forward to it. So to wrap up, here are our submissions to our Marvel time capsule. Or most likely, Marvel doubles down on the X-Men, and there's a Young Adventurers movie.

Mid-Rane shot. Marvel hard-cancel something, and you only hear about it from the star. I forgot to mention that. Like, they just like, somebody's on a press tour, and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, they canceled that. And they're like, what the fuck? You stood in the movie, and it's like, yeah, by the way, that Marvel thing I did, I shot for like six weeks. Yeah, it's all gone.

so on the garbage. They Zaz loved it. All right. And Jomey's was scale back the TV output significantly. Half court shot would be the big three comes back. Rob Donnie Jr., Chris Evans and Hemsworth.

And then Marvel gets back Spider-Man's rights. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that one. Look, hey, look, Sony, Marvel, I'm here. We can talk. I will be the mediator.

We'll get this job done. Don't worry about it. All right. And our 94 feet heat. It's okay. See, you keep saying 99. feet heat. It's a 94 foot heave. 94 foot heav

Heave. And a 94 foot heave Here you go. Is that Kevin Feige retires or steps back in the next five years. And Agent's Shield comes back, baby. Keep a fire going. Keep a fire going for us. It's never going to happen. I lost.

I lost. That's all right. Junior Mintz, you always keep a fire going for us and we love you for that. That's a wrap for us. Don't forget tomorrow. the House of ours is going to be opening up their spring mailbag. Get your questions in Hobbits and Dragons at gmail.com. Do it. Wednesday, the Midnight Boys are going to be checking in again with the X-Men 97 season and Shogun.

And on Friday, House of Roshavar is going to be back to give you their X-Men 97 check-in. Thank you so much, Junior Mintz. Once again, we are produced by the great Kerm, who we love, as always, with additional production from our Juno Ramgo-Pal. Jomi, what are your parting words? Man, love talking to you guys, as always. I want to give a shout out to everybody who's continuing to follow on socials. I know that's my actual job.

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