The Ringer-Verse - The Midnight Meter Hall of Fame: TV Edition | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

The Midnight Boys are back to induct some of the best TV shows in all of fandom into the Midnight Meter Hall of Fame: TV Edition (07:52). They bring the best of animation, live-action, fantasy, science fiction, and everything in between to talk about the gold standard for fandom television. Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Social: Jomi Adeniran Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the ringer verse. This is of course the ringer's nexus podcast, be for all things fandom. We are. Joey DeExwinger and you know our about us. We are. Steve, the architect Almond, the tinker and builder of things. We are Oman Van. He of the receding resurgent hairline. We are. Coke,

baby, Chuck, the 24-carat closer together. We are known as of our midnight, boys. Oh, whew! Also on socials. Institwit, Facebook, TikTok. say Jomey's

job. Jomey, how you feeling, man? Feel good, my socials. Socials are doing good, man. What's going on over there?

Oh, dude, exciting stuff. I can't even get into it now. It's so, like, next level. Oh, he's NDA-8 out of his mind today. Dude, man, we got some stuff cooking for y'all, man.

I can't say much more. If I say anymore, I'm going to give it away. It's not compelling. They're all disappointed. You know what I'm not? It wasn't something. Let's try to, let's tease that again.

Take to it. Me, you know, Jomey, this is your moment to shine. Well, last time I was like, yo, we did this cool thing. I was like, yeah, don't do that. And see, now I don't say nothing. So I kind of, there's a middle ground here. Y'all don't want me to shine, but I also don't want me to glow. You know what I'm saying?

Let's just finish. Let's just finish. But things are our cuckador on socials, though. Our social, I see, Jomi uses socials to get his shit off. You know, Jomi, Jomi, Jomi, is going socials. Oh, real quick. We had the AFC-N-FC yearly party, Shindig, Charles's first time.

Chuck, what did you think? Oh, man. I had a blast. It was fun. It was bonding. I'm not going to lie. Like, we're not going to do it. We probably should have done some midnight mediation if we were real podcasters about it.

Oh, no, we're definitely well. No, dang. No, no. Hey, don't do it. Don't do it. Why would you bring us? No, we ain't going to make it. The block would be too.

Guys, we're definitely going to record it, and we'll see if it stays. There's something that has to be discussed that happened on Championship Sunday. All right. Guys, there's multiple, there's a multiple thing that needs to be done. To the end of the Midnight Meter conversation, because there's something that you're going to want to hear about. Charles beefing with several communities in Los Angeles. Oh, man. That's up to Chuck.

That's what I'm standing on that shit, bro. Okay, cool. I'm standing on that. Now, we're going to be as vague as possible in the descriptions of what happened on Championship Sunday. When I say vague, I mean, vague, Steve was gone for some of this. Steve, Steve, left first. And here's the thing, it was a thunder dome, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's locked in, man.

Steve was gone for some of this. No, let's just put it this way. Like, the midnight boys were on shaky ground. And then, you know, when Jomi and I left, we dapped it up. He was like, nah, bro. So you guys talked after you left. Hey, it wasn't like a talk, but he was like, he was like, yo, do you want me to drive you to your car?

I was like, yeah, sure. We was just like, all right, cool. It was cool. Okay, all I'm going to say is this, and you guys have to stay for the end. This is over a woman. No, it's not, bro. No, no. Oh, I already know.

Yeah, see what I'm saying? No, I didn't leave early, but I don't know. Steve, this is a safe space to just to tease. I want to say because Van's going to get his shit off, whatever, but I do have to, like, something, like God put something on my heart today. You know what I'm saying? I just have to be real, Van. Like, you're an OG in the game.

Like, you take care of us, you are family man, everything. But I got to be real. You're an enabler. How so? You're an enabler, bro. I'm an enabler? I might agree with this. It's not until I got home.

I realized it. So just answer this question yesterday. No. Okay. You know a homie comes to you, been struggling with the substance abuse. Yeah. Do you put a crack pipe in front of him? Well, it depends on how he wants to go out.

See? What? Because all I'm saying, and then we're going to, so, we're going to move on after this. I realized when I got home. I know, I know people that say, yo, yo, I just want to ride out into the sunset and leaving Las Vegas style. See? See?

Bro. Come out here in my gosh! Okay, this Friday, the House of R dives deep into the Percy Jackson finale. next week, Kyle Safar, will bring you their trope's course on fellowships along with the mailbag. It's like fellowship of the ring?

Yes. Like, who are some other fellowships? I mean, like Harry Potter and the gang? Are there? Avengers of Fellowship? Yeah, like a group of people. Would the Avengers be a fellowship or are they a team? That's more of a team.

What's in about like a journey request? It's the same shape. I mean, it's not. It's not? Han Luke and Leia. That's the, that's a fellowship. They're on their. No, it's not.

No, the Jedi Order. is a fellowship. See, now we're getting to the minutia. Like, so if you all meet together and then this is, oh, we have to do one single thing as a group, I guess, let's go do it. That's every team. That's every basketball team, every NFL team. Like, what are we talking about?

So, wait a minute. We can find that out. On the trope scores, we can watch it. But, like, the Avengers would have to be a fellowship as well. I want to be on this podcast. I do because I have no clue. I mean, I get the fellowship at a ring they come together and do something, but I Last thing I'll say, is it a fellowship if it's just a one-off?

Because they just came together and like, we're the fellowship. No, I think it has to be a grand quest. That's where I think we're getting, like, it has to be a grand, like, we're saving the world. Sometimes the Avengers are just getting together to shoot the shit. Okay, they're hanging out, eating waffles or whatever. And the Midnight Boys bring you their third annual Black Heroes of Fan. No, we ran out of niggas last time. Come on, man.

No, we will. I think we're the first thing we have to do. No, I actually have a pitch. We shouldn't, because we've ran out of black heroes, I think we should do our first ever most racist hero draft. Most racist hero draft. Oh, man.

I like it. I don't. I like you. But at the same time, I don't, I don't think that's a good February draft. Not we need to, we need to call them out. What? You don't, what do you mean?

That's, why do your opinions on the black issue? Wait, why, why would you think that this is a time? I don't want to give races a platform of Black History Month or any month for that. You don't want to. Steve. Steve, see, midnight, I got shit to say to Steve as well. So you don't want to. You got to watch yourself today.

Yes. You feel like you should be programming February. I know. But you know what you do? We should have an eligible, we should have a podcast where we just talk about the heroes that we can actually still draft. No, because listen, like people, yeah, people should know about the lesser known ones because we got a lot of them. The lesser known ones? Yeah, bro, come on, man.

We struggling. You might have to play a struggling out. Like a record for drums today, bro. On today's show, we make our inductions into the Midnight Meter Hall of Fame. Television edition. And in order to do this, we need Chuck, Chuck, take it away. All right. Last year, the Midnight Boys inducted 12 movies into the Midnight Meter Hall of

of fame. It was one of our most contentious episodes, but we ended up with the following movies. The Dark Night, Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, Winter Soldier, Infinity War Endgame, Superman, Avengers, Return of the King, The Matrix, Batman, and Spider-Man 2. And now we're back to induct our first 12 TV shows. For those that have forgotten, The Midnight Meter is our proprietary grading system. On this show, we grade all movies and TV shows on a one to ten scale, one being the worst, 10 truly amazing, but every so often 10 isn't enough. So we have to go for 11 for near perfect films

or the very rare 12 reserves for game changers, okay? Now, before we get into the episode, we were having a lot of debates, all right? TV shows are a little different than movies. So let's decide now. As a group, are we, do we have to induct the entire show? show or can we induct a season? I say the entire run of the show in order to contextualize the show in the most robust way,

it would have to be the entire run of the show. The excellence would have to be sustained, in my opinion, to merit that show being a 12. When we're talking about the top, the highest, this is essentially a Hall of Fame, right? And they don't put you in a Hall of Fame based upon one season. That's what I would say. So follow-up question then, and then people can debate. TV shows are a little different than movies. Movies contain two, if you're two hours, if you're fucking Zach Snyder, three and

half all day. But easier to judge on a grading scale. TV shows fluctuate up and down. Now, can something be eligible for the Hall of Fame, even if, let's say, they had a wonky season? Certainly, of course. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, there's almost no television. television show that didn't have one season that I guess is out of the ordinary or wasn't the best or greatest season. I mean, it's very difficult to have sustained excellence, of course, across five or six or seven years.

So there are, I mean, you know, most shows I didn't like season three. I didn't like season four as much, but yeah, the show in its totality is kind of what we're judging it on. Sustained excellence. Right. And I think I would only push back on that slightly because I feel that when a lot of shows,

and this is, this does not mean, this is not the case for every show, and certainly shows aren't entirely made like this, but a lot of times when stories are being thought out throughout multiple episodes throughout a single season, those are the ones that are fully fleshed out, or at least they try to like ballpark,

okay, this is our beginning, this is our end. We will shoot for possibly continuing this, but if we don't, we'd like to hope that we can contain something within this one season. And if there's more, there is more. If there's not, there's not. And I think that a lot of shows have perfectly encapsulated smaller single seasons that have been revolutionary, perfect, amazing things that we've loved and as well as, you know, set the world on fire. But it could have absolutely

shit the bed in previous seasons, next seasons, or the very end of its run, stumbling at the one-yard line. There's a lot of differentiating things that make a season of television versus a run of television, I think that there could be a case to be made for a single season of television. See, you say that and then when I say, hey, it's still season four, should get nominated, y'all going to say, nobody's seen that. Do you know what I'm saying? The Pandora's Bucks are opening, Steve. Well, yeah, and then the end of the day, we all got to agree.

Here's the thing. I think, I agree with Van, you know, I had, I wanted to nominate just one season, but I agree with Van that I believe it should be the whole run. But as a chaos agent, if somebody wants to waste one of their, picks because this is a game. If somebody wants to waste their picks and try to convince us, I'm not going to stand in the way of that. We ought to have best behavior. All right, cool.

Do we got all of the rules set? Lay them out, Chuck. All right, so each person has brought four TV picks they think to deserve to be considered. As 12s, we'll go around the table, stumping for each show individually for about three minutes each. Eligible picks can be entire series. After each person presents their show, the remaining boys will vote as to whether or not the argument was convincing enough.

we only need two votes to get into the Midnight Meter Hall of Fame, and whichever Midnight Boy lands the most shows in the Hall of Fame will be, nah, we're not doing any winners now. So take that out, Steve. All right, who's going first, second, third, fourth? Doesn't matter. Doesn't really matter. We can take it.

Steve, go ahead. You want me going from the top? Yeah, because I think I want to get into your argument about all that other stuff. Well, I mean, my first pick actually wasn't an individual season. I wanted to get a couple of full shows that I knew were certifiable. My first pick actually is one of my favorites from childhood, and I think that nobody can actually argue with it. Batman, the animated series.

I was going to be mine, too. Yeah, it's insane. Like, that's a, I think it's, I think that we get no argument that this is probably the most, it feels like the truest rendition of a character and a world that has been around for almost 100 years, question mark. Like, it's, it's perfect. In every single way, it's exemplified. the like gold standard for the way that this character and many of his rogues gallery should be portrayed, it's perfect.

I absolutely love it. So I agree 100% instant in. Does it get dinged in 2024? Because it was revealed that Batman from the animated series is a groomer, an impregnated Batgirl. That's like one of the wildest things that has ever happened. I'm so glad that this was brought up. This shit is canon.

So you're referring to. to like that late season. Don't late season it, nigga. It's what it is. It happened. We were. Batman shot up the club. First of all, here's the thing.

Here's what it's an egregious. One, he's a groomer. Two, yo, Dick Grayson is your boy. You know what I'm saying? Like, Dick is like your guy. That's tough. And you go behind his back with his girl.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not, I'm not. And then. I'm not stumping for Batman's moral compass here. And then to be honest with you, not only did you do that, you did that, and then the way you revealed it was savage dragon on this lyey ass shit. I mean, here's the thing, Bruce Wayne and Batman are, like, he's a sicko. Like, I both showed you that clip of him stealing Lois Lane from Superman. I mean, that's great thing ever seen.

Oh, my God. That's right work. I mean, it's hard to put. That was the most hilarious shit I've ever seen before my life. There's a fantastic clip from not the animated series. but I believe this was one of the Justice League seasons of Superman using his X-R-Rivision to see through Batman's mask

and identifying him as Bruce Wayne and Bruce clocks this and he's like, you peaked. And then the next scene is him is Lois calling Superman being like, yeah, I got a date with Bruce. I'll talk to you later, Kansas boy. And then Bruce is taking him, I didn't, while this is happening, and Superman's super pissed off and he goes to his window

and outside of his window, he sees Batman sitting outside of of his window looking at him. Yeah. He's the craziest shit. Honestly, this gives credence to my like long held belief. I think Superman

is like super weak in bed. Like he's never really had to work for it. You know what I'm saying? He had the powers. He was always a hunk. I don't think he has game. Like Bruce had to work for it. You know what I'm saying?

He's like a little. He's a billionaire. What are you talking about? Are you fucking out of your mind? Like he, Charles, I'm talking about physically has to work for it. Worst take is the history of the midnight boys.

Whoa. Whoa. I think what has happened is Charles is talking just about being in bed, right? I'm just talking about not pulling women. Being a physical specimen. I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you, okay, first of all, I'm telling you right now. She's in bed with the most. No, but, no, billionaires can have fucking weak dick.

Right. I'm saying that I get it, but so can superhero. How are we? No, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The other thing that Superman has is he's like, dog, if I get too excited, it's over.

It's a rap. I'm killing, I'm killing Shorty. So he's always, you never really see, unless it's Wonder Woman, you never see his game. That's just saying, he can't go hard. And that's still, here's the thing. That's still the thing. So Superman needs a pillow princess.

Batman needs to mix it up. I'm telling you, bro. What you just said is not a great, it's not a well-thought-out take. Yes, he needs. You're telling me that like... Think about the darkness of Batman, the fucking... Think about Batman to brood, the passion, to all that.

Batman bringing that into the sac-book. Do you think he's got two personas when he's Bruce Wayne and Batman? What you mean? You think Talia L. Gould's getting something different than... He wore the mask when he was hitting Talia. I think the... I think the reality is that, like, he probably, when he's in there, all of the darkness, it comes out. And Batman is his true self.

Passionate lover. super, Superman is a choir boy who has to hold back because he doesn't want to hurt you. Kansas boy. So he can't smash you into smithereens because he will definitely smash you into smithereens. So you're saying on the record that Superman is better in bed than Batman. First of all, this is the fucking craziest thing that I've ever even had to discuss. Why? But if I had to guess, I would say that Batman, who also always comes prepared for every single job.

We agree. Batman is better. We agree. So I would say that it's Batman. Then why are we arguing? What did you say? I said Superman has weak dick. Oh, did you?

Yeah. Oh, I thought you said Superman had to work for it. I mean, that's what he initially said. Yeah, Superman. I can't remember. I talked myself into a whole fucking not here. I would say that Batman, like, being a billionaire, it's light work. He comes and he's got crazy Riz.

It's not even a challenge. Superman is a one woman kind of guy. You know what I'm saying? and the ladies don't some of him, but he's thinking about Lord Clark. And even then, his game is not the way it's supposed to be. Oh, this is not, no, you were saying that Batman has to work for it. Yes.

Like physically. So I guess, I guess I do agree, actually. Because, well, he doesn't have to work to. What a journey we went on. Wait a second. Love that for us. He doesn't have to work to get women as much. No, he doesn't.

He's a billionaire. But he does have to work for it in the sack. And he probably does. He probably puts in a lot of work. All right, then. Prep time. So Batman animated series, like, auto in. we don't have to discuss it anymore.

Well, that's my pick. You're going around the circle. Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I think that's got to be. It's got to be in. That's got to be in. No argument. Jomi.

Uh, oh, me? I mean, we could keep it on the animation train. Avatar of the last Airbender. Of course. Yeah. Just got to put that in there. I don't even, I don't even have to hear your argument for it. I'm not going to make one.

I mean, like, look, it's one of the best animated series of all time. It's got amazing characters, fantastic fight scenes, great voice acting and just, a compelling story from the first second to the last second. Just an amazing, amazing achievement in television. And they're going to ruin it in Netflix, but it's okay. Speaking of which, how do you feel about that quote that came out? We're like, we're tampering down sexism a bit. Don't know.

What's the, what's the, because I couldn't fucking get into the shit. If y'all say it's a 12, it's a 12. I try it. But what's the, what's the, if y'all say it's a 12th, what's the controversy? Okay, so there's a, the character of Saka, who is the sister of Waterbender Katara, the brother, excuse me, brother, his sister is Katara. He had, he had a, like, more so sexist view of the world in the early seasons and episodes of Avatar The Last Aaron Bender. As a 13-year-old boy, it did not extend as far as like, she can't do that. She's a girl.

Type of attitude and ignorance. Over the course of the show, he learns the errors of his ways because he, A, gets the shit beat out. out of him, and B, he becomes a better person. The controversy of this being, we should still be allowing our main characters to have flaws and kind of have bad behaviors so long as they actually understand. So he doesn't hate girls in this one. They said he's, they tamped it down, right? They tamped it down.

There was like too much sexism hasn't aged well. And my argument to that is I'm like, all right, then where does the character grow? What does this dude have to learn? Yeah, what's his character arc? I'm just like, we can have characters that are not. perfect beings and over the course of like TV we see them mature, which is exactly why this is a 12 by the way because all of these characters grow and evolve and mature in amazing ways. Now let me let me double down here.

This is because I've said it before, y'all generation is so pussy. What? So you guys so you so like because you guys are always we talk about this all the time, because you guys are always, because you guys are always, in the super fucking halt. Like, let's take this out. Let's not talk about it. Let's do this. Let's do that.

They don't think that you guys can handle that. They're erring on the side of caution because they don't think y'all can handle it. They don't think that you guys can handle this guy being like, ooh girls, cooties. When we talk about this all the time, every time we talk about this on the show, and I'm like, everybody's like, oh, toxic, oh, man.

They don't think y'all, now you can. Now you guys can handle it and they are airing on the side of caution because they don't want to piss off your little hyper-woke sensibilities. I think the thing that gets me is this show aired in 2005 for children. Yes.

And they're like, yo, it's 20-24. Let's the children show. Let's try and, you know, the children could handle all the sexism. But now that we're all adults, let's not do that. But they're treating it like Saka was like Andrew tape and like no. It's not so he wasn't that bad. It's not that bad. It's like literally like the stuff like a 12

year old would be like, oh, you're a girl, you can't do that. And it's like also Saka, he he don't got any of the bending ability. So basically he has to come to terms with the fact that like all of the women around him are not only stronger than him, but most of the time smarter than him. And it's like a 12, 13 year old boy realizing like, hey, I'm not less of a man because I don't have superpowers. Yeah. And like women are like, I'm honoring. the fact that like these women are warriors and better them. So did they say what his deal is going to be now then? No.

No. No. All right. Just be an asshole for some other reason. But see, this is what we're talking about. This is an interesting conversation about a show that I couldn't. And by the way, it's not because the show's not good. I'm just too old for the fucking show now.

That's fair. So, but this is interesting. They are now so afraid of offending you guys that they've taken out a relevant and important character aspect from someone. That really is a fascinating conversation that should be had across the spectrum of nerd and

in terms of a generational thing. You always try to divide the generations. Why can we come together? I'm not trying to divide the generations. I'm just saying that in this situation, like in this right here, everybody's wondering why they did this. The answer is because forget the generational part of it.

The reason why they did this is because it's been demonstrated over the last 10 to 15 years that no one can handle that type of stuff. They don't need that to come out. And then for people for the next six weeks after it's out going, why is that character so sexes? They don't need that. And that gets louder than the character even realizing something.

And that's actually something, to be honest with you, in the show or in a show like that, that should really be considered when we talk about how much we complain about shit and how much we talk about shit. because now they have to change it and they think they're changing it for you and you guys don't even want that. I think it's also,

I just think it's an evolution of, I think we used to watch TV and we didn't identify like, oh, we didn't look at Tony Soprano and be like, oh, because Tony Soprano was doing horrific things, I can't watch because that's not my politics. I think we understood as a society.

Like, oh, Tony is, this is a story. Tony is a fake character. He's telling us something about the human character. And I think with social media and just fucking therapist speak and all of this shit, when people watch shows, they're like, oh, no, I'm Captain America. I'm Iron Man. I'm this person. I'm that person. Everything they do should align with my politics and belief.

And I think that makes a lot of like bad shit because we're not making fully fleshed out characters. Well said. We're making like people who, to your point, are just kind of like vessels for quote unquote like good politics. Well said. Well said. All right. My turn, I'm staying with animation. There's not as much live action stuff as I thought there would be.

I'm just being honest with you. There's not as much live action stuff as I thought that, but I'm staying with animation television shows, and this is going to be a real conversation because I'm going with Star Wars rebels. Nah, I don't think so. I'm going with Star Wars rebels. I'm fine with that.

This is tough. I knew it would be, because I could have gone Clone Wars and all of you guys would have voted for it. I am going for Star Wars. And let me tell you why. So I'm going for Star Wars. Wars Rebels because I personally think that Star Wars Rebels

was the first entity that gave us basically brand new Star Wars characters that were an extension of the Philoniverse. Obviously Clone Wars had new characters in it, but I'm talking about a new story sectioned off from the main story of how the Galactic Civil War happened with a new Jedi,

with a new Mandalorian, with a different group of people, a different cell of people. And it proved that the magic that existed in the old stuff could actually work in characters that weren't connected to our childhood. You didn't need necessarily a Skywalker, even though Vader was involved in it.

You didn't need necessarily those direct ties to it, that the magic and the wonder of it could still work, you could still have that, and it could be, and you could, like, sectioned off a new story. And really, we talk about impact that early on the show wasn't as good as it got, which to me is a better way.

It's a better way that a, that a show like that builds and gets better towards the end. I really gave us some of the most moving moments in the history of Star Wars lore during that. But also, you have, like now, really the Star Wars Galaxy being very closely tied

to characters and rebels stories and rebels things in rebels so the impact is through the roof I could have gone with Clone Wars but it's a safe choice Rebels to me is a more daring choice I didn't expect to have everybody on my side

with it but I think Rebels is a 12 So I have to ask you I think that Rebels objectively is the better series than Clone Wars, even if I think Clone Wars is like, you know, you don't, obviously you don't have Rebels without Clone Wars. The reason why I think putting Rebels in the Hall of Fame is a little slippery is if we talk about impact, you know, you take something like Asoka, a lot of long-term Star Wars fans that are not on the animation side, the thing

that really kind of like, we could throw Mandel in there too, the thing that kind of like, push them away, was bringing these characters into live action. And it being rushed and maybe not as fully realized. And I think when we talk about impact, we talk about like, yo, you could say whatever you want about this, but you cannot deny how strong and like at one point positive this shit was. And I think we're seeing now with Star Wars animation that it's really factured the fan base from the people who watch.

everything Star Wars, love animation, versus the people who just want their Mando stories to be their Mando stories. They want their live action shit to be the live action shit. They don't want to have to see Bocatan or fucking this motherfucker popping in there. So like, while I agree

with you, quality-wise, Star Wars Rebels has given me that 12. If we're talking about, like, impact, it's left the fan base really fractured. I would disagree. agree with that. And I don't have exact like evidence

to prove to the contrary of like there's this one nebulous argument that's going around that like Rebels is doing too much with like the, you know, expansion of the universe and making it like a bit more Mando-fide because Mando did that a lot in its most recent season. Too much so. And people hated that.

But I think if you were to make an argument that Rebels does that well or even the best out of any of this, there's still a very stripped down and basic and not really required extra viewing to that, that you can still just pick up Rebels and actually have a great time with it

from start to finish. Didn't know people watch? I wouldn't say so, but I would say that while we can still say that Rebels is the better series, I don't think that's so much like the word of mouth and impact that Rebels had when, say, Asoka comes out and they're like, well, who is this? Why is this happening?

That's more Asoka's fault than it is Rebels actually being pushed forward into the live action. My thing is, I don't, know if you can put Rebels in and not put Clone Wars in. That was going to be my question. No, I think we have to choose. I don't know.

So I think that Clone Wars is probably definitely in, but I would put both of them in. But this is what I would say in terms of impact with Rebels. I get it. Impact is the trickiest part of the Midnight meter equation because, you know, quality is, sit around and talk about what we love,

all time, quality is one thing. Impact is just impact. to me. So if Drake comes out and everybody starts sounding like Drake, it doesn't matter how well they do it. It doesn't matter whether or not it was good for music. It doesn't matter whether or not it was bad for music. What matters is that it changed the sound. What matters is that it came out and people went, this is the way we're supposed to do things now. I think with Rebels and Clone Wars, it's clear that both of those shows are incredibly important to redefining what the new era of Star Wars is.

Honestly, I would say that those two shows are actually more successful in pushing Star Wars forward than the sequel movies were because the sequel movies didn't know what they wanted to be. If I'm going to be honest, hot take, I think the end, I have no issue with whichever one comes in. I think I can make the argument. we could even make it a, like a midnight court. I think people are going to disagree with this take.

I think at this point the animation has done more harm to Star Wars than good. It might have. But I mean, look, once again, it doesn't matter. That's a subjective thing, right? So it doesn't matter whether or not it's done more harm than good. It might have. Because honestly, by expanding the world so much, you might have watered it down. But I agree with you, impact is impact.

It doesn't matter. When no limit comes out, it doesn't matter if niggas from the East Coast are mad. You can't, I can't argue with impact. The thing I will argue with is I think we have to be, we got a pick. I don't think we should do the clone wars and, because I'm just like. Why? Because we did that with Infinity War and Endgame last time, bro. That's not, that's way different than Infinity War.

I mean, but why, like, so if it, I'm really asking why. Like, why would you have to pick? Yeah. Because I, we have 12, we have 12, right? So it's like, personally, I think it's like, we're cheating with the impact of rebels because the real impact is Clone Wars. But if we want to be real about Clone Wars,

Clone Wars got canceled two or three times. You know what I'm saying? And it had to keep coming back, which denotes to me that it's like, if we're talking about how many people have watched it versus how loud the fan base is, there is a big gap where it's like, Clone Wars was never really that popular of a show.

That's why the fans had to keep saving it, which is just like, I think if we put Clone Wars and Rebels, we're kind of cheating because we're like, none of these ever reached the heights of a Batman, the Animated Series. Heights of Batman and Animated Series in what way? In terms of like, in, like, Batman the Animated Series was a far more popular and influential show

than Clone Wars or Rebels ever were. Well, number one, I'd be interested to know just how many people watch Batman and Animated Series. Number one, that show is on network television. the shows that we're talking about now one is on adult swim no what what was on cartoon network

and it got canceled it was on cartoon network and then the other one so one is coming on after you come home from school Batman the anime series right in the 90s when we didn't have this kind of we didn't have all this and the other one is on Cartoon Network and then

Avatar's on Nickelodeon Rebels is on Rebels on Disney XD it was on Disney XT No Coler's was on Cartoon Network, then Netflix, then Disney Plus. Right. And so, like, when you're talking about the landscape of this stuff, there are many things to talk about.

Like, there are many things to talk about the amount of people that are watching, how this stuff is on, really the content and the way it's being delivered, like all of that stuff. There are all kinds of ways to, and then to judge something's impact, you have to consider the impact that it made, how many people watch it, of course that's part of the impact. But then you also have to consider what, subsequent movies or subsequent shows how it actually changed.

Impact is just like it's also influence as well. And we've talked about this before. We talked about whether or not John Wick. We talked about whether or not we talked about all of this stuff, but these are the conversations. So more people watch Batman the animated series because it was for more people. Like, you know what I mean? Came on every single day and it was after you got out from school and it's right there for you.

It's very, very accessible. So, and it's Batman, right? So almost by accident it is. But I'm cool with Rebels is, I had to go in my heart. I'm cool with leaving Rebels out. I would rather go for rebels. Like, I don't want to do that. I would rather go for rebels too.

I would rather if like... You know it's funny? If it had to be one. Nah, man. If it had to be one. You can't pick Clone Wars over Rebels to me. Here's the thing. Like Clone Wars is so up and down.

I don't disagree with you. I think the lows of Clone Wars, especially those first couple seasons, are pretty low. but the highs of Clone Wars are higher than the highs of rebels. So do we just go for straight quality or who at the higher peak? I mean, I would say, like, it's obvious one of them is getting in at this point. I think I really just like, the Hall of Fame, the Midnight Meter, what it is, is like, it to me, it's a mark of quality.

It's a mark of like this thing really stands to test at time. And it's like Clone Wars is like, it's a show. show like finding itself and like that first season is really bad. Like it's like to the point where I'm just like you can't have that type of rookie season and me just not forget it. Honestly, the first two seasons. Yeah, probably like the first two, two and a half seasons. Even when Rebels isn't that great in the first season, it's good.

It's still good. It's never, rebels is never bad, which is why I'm not that mad if it gets in. It's never bad. It's quality is always there. And if we're talking about sustained excellence, I don't know if, Clone Wars has sustained excellence. Rebels does. I'm telling you one thing, if we pick rebels over Clone Wars, I feel like the audience is going to go nuts.

That's what we need to do. I don't, but I don't, I think we're getting bogged down on like the lows of Clone Wars. I get it. You start off the blocks slow, right? But you start to-half seasons is a long time. But, I mean, it's seven seasons of TV. You get the Five's arc in season six, the whole Asoka thing in season five, right? The whole battle lines, season four, like there's so much good stuff.

I mean, the ending, the last four episodes of the Clone Wars are probably the best Star Wars media we've gotten in that time, like, in 2020. Like, between that and or and the first two seasons of Amanda. Legitimately excellent stuff. But you only mention the last, you only mess in season four, season five, and season six. Yeah. Some people come out of block stuff. people look at some guys like I don't know is he

is he a bust and then he gets to a new situation or whatever happens gets a new coach gets a team main owns and oh they're running and gun and this guy looks who he's supposed to look like oh my gosh he is a hollow famer we we shouldn't just like look at a guy from his first two years and go all right

he's cooked I mean I think it's I don't want to say reductive but we do have to respect the stuff that Clone Wars gave us and it's incredible. Like, it just is. And frankly, a good amount of rebels is based on Folkrum,

aka Osoketano, who came from where? The Clone Wars. I just kind of feel like it would be, it'd be kind of silly to put rebels in there and leave out Clone Wars. It's like saying it'd be kind of silly to put in Empire Strikes Back and leave out a New Hope.

I mean, we did. I mean, I'm just saying like, but we did that last time. Would it be silly to put in the dark night and then leave out Batman begins? regardless, it was your pick. I'm cool with rebels being here. All I'm saying is, all I'm saying is the sequel can be better than the original.

Yeah. I just, I just think the higher. We can't celebrate the Clippers of the Star Wars fucking. Clippers is crazy. The highs are so much higher in Clone Wars. Then let's vote. So I'm going to vote for rebels. I have to because I have to stick with my choice.

I'm voting rebels. I also want to hear what the audience thinks about this. I don't, I don't, my thing is, Also, we forget, we have an audience vote. So if they feel like Clone Wars should get in there, they can vote Clone Wars in there. I don't disagree that Rebel should be in there, but I also think Clone War should also be in there.

Let's put Rebels in there, and I think Clone War should be left up to the fans. Okay. Okay. All right, where else? Charles, where are we at? Oh, this is an easy one. The last season sucks, but it has to be Game of Thrones.

Like, it just has to. Yeah. Like, we need a live action thing in there. Like, Game of Thrones changed the game. Game of Thrones is death. Definitely in there. 100%. So that's already in.

I'll go with the second one real quick. You know what? I got to do this for the motherfuckers who are really outside. You know, my brothers. This changed a lot of people's lives. Don't do it. Don't do it. I got to go Dragon Ball Z.

You know what I'm saying? I would say no. I thought you were going to go one piece. No. Oh, well, yeah. No. I would say absolutely no. Yo, y'all wasn't really out.

Dragon Ball Z when it dropped on Tsunami was a phenomenon. motherfuckers. Like, I was watching the news and people's like, yo, these American kids are hooked on this violent ass shit. Goku was in the fucking Macy's Day parade two, like two years ago.

I think you're only basing this on cultural impact and nothing else. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. First of all, Dragon Ball Z, if we're being real, is better than Rebels and Clone Wars. So, like, okay.

Well, all right. That's an interesting conversation. I feel like your opinion, man. I love Dragon Ball Z. I love it. Dragon Ball Z, like, when we're talking about influence, like, If we're talking about like, oh, when it drops?

Oh, yeah, the Jim Bros that I see with Goku wraps on their cars on their Nissan. If we're doing strictly off influence, then we could go Pokemon, Yu-Gi-O. Like, we could be here all day. Just going through. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So we're saying quality, you're telling me the cell games. Gohan? Cell saga.

Like, we talking about like that. Are we really going to elevate the Majin-Boo saga? Yes. We're talking about when trunks comes back from the future. When Trunks? When Trumps comes back from the future and fucking wash his freezer. Yeah, no, no, that's a national anthem. Yeah, that's fine.

When fucking Goku goes Super Sand for the first time, we're not saying that wasn't the most, one of the most special moments in NER-H-T. So, okay, then Charles, you really have to say when Dragon Ball Z ends for you because that's literally still going on. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's Dragon Ball. Super. That's different. I know, well, you got to make this distinction.

The distinction is, because there were like seven seasons. Akira Toriyama, Dragonball, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z. The real shit, the canon shit. From win to win? From Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z. Not Dragon Ball Super? So it's Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball, G, T, is not Canon. Dragon Ball Z.

Dragon Ball Z. That's just recut. So you're, so you're just talking straight Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Z that ends with Cell. No, with Blue. With Boo, with Majj and Boo. Okay. So Dragon Ball Z ends with Goku.

going Super Sane 4? Super Sane 3. Super Sane 3, okay. I mean, I'm with it. I had no problem with it. I love it. And to be honest with you, at a time, it was the only thing that everybody was talking about.

That's what I'm saying. It was going to the video store and getting the fucking Brawley saga. And getting the fucking Trump saga. And for a time, it was, and I was in college, and so I was even older and it was still like, it was the only thing everybody was talking about.

took over shit for a time. I have no problem putting Dragon Balls in here. I just got a personal vendet against the Majin Buz saga. I just thought that was terrible. You don't like Majin Bousa? No.

I mean, it's not... It was the worst of it. It's not perfect. But like, come on. Dragon Ball Z is like, if y'all for running Dragon Ball Z, like, what are we doing?

I, I mean, it's in for me. All right. Because here's the thing, I could have been like, Coke baby Chuck about it. It would be like, yo, one piece, but like not. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm here with the one. I don't want to find the motherfucking one piece. It's great. I'm winning. But I think Dragon Ball Z is good. You can put Dragon Ball Z. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech.

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from HBO. Done. I don't think that there's going to be the only thing that we're and shout out to CORE, love you, brother. The only thing that we're going to debate. You know what?

Let's pump the brakes real quick. Okay. So this is what I would say. The only thing that we're going to debate is the impact portion of it. It's a bit of a recency bias pick because it's like time is going to tell on this one. But I think the like the brand of Damien Lindelof-esque storytelling that is on display here is probably like perfected. Like you do and you honestly don't even need to know what the fuck Watchman is about. to get this.

It's amazing. It's amazing. It's incredible. I can't even talk about it because like politically like I couldn't support it but shout out cord. Why couldn't you support it politically?

Like this is going to be like real like nerd shit but like DC Comps has been fucking over Allen more for for years. And it's just like I don't. And just knowing how he feels about like the history of the watchman, how he feels about how much DC is making off of it and all that stuff. Like I'm not like this is nothing against Damon Lindeloff. court everybody worked on it their geniuses I tried but it's just like I have such like an affinity for like that

that creator what he's done I'm gonna be real man fuck that nigga like we see this is the problem with the combo community it's like I'm gonna be real man keep look I'm all for the reclusive artists and everything that they got going on but knock this company man we got we got into I don't do I don't make no money with DC

we we got we got it gave us a brilliant update on an unadaptable piece of fiction and wrapped in American geopolitical socio-economic criticism inside of it. It was perfectly done. The only question is, is it impactful enough to be a 12? I'm being controversial by asking. The impact that you can see is only from the people that have watched it. And yes, that is not as big as a Game of Thrones. It is not as big as some sort of like massive cultural revolution. Everybody, it was not on the tip of everybody's tongues,

but for anybody that was watching it, it was profound. I'm not going to stand in the way of it. I just do think that if we keep it to the impact portion, like, we can change the goalpost. Like, I don't think it's a crazy pick at all. Like I think, I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.

I say it's in. All right. So what do we have so far? What's in so far? We have Batman, the animated series, Avatar the Last Airbender, Rebels, Game of Thrones, DBZ, Watchmen, we need six more. Jomey, where are you going?

See, now it starts to get a little thin up top. You know, the cream of the crop has been selected. Now we're looking at a lot of these Marvel TV shows from way back when, you know, a lot of these DC shows. And since we're not doing seasons, we've got to look at stuff as a whole. I mean, we could do seasons. We could do seasons. You're not making the argument.

I'm not making the argument. I'm trying to make the argument. If I make the, if I say, Acese is sealed. Hell no. You see what I'm saying? Like, it's not really. Well, the impact in this room versus the impact on. But I could, I could sit here and I could tell you that in terms of being an excellent season television, doesn't even be getting to cover what that season did, not only for the show, but as, as viewers, right?

The swungs they took and they take three separate storylines. not only weave them together, but execute them at an high level for 23 straight weeks of boom, you're getting hit after hit after hit after hit. I could sit here and I could sing that for 12 days in a row,

12 days of Christmas, 12 days of shield, y'all would be like, cool, hey, thanks for coming. Yes, no, go back to your house. You wasted. Don't call us, we'll call you. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So, well, I, you know, if there's a, Hall of, hey man, y'all should check this out.

A hall of shame? No, no, no. It's like when... What's your pick, Jomey? It's like when a guy has like a really good game, like, if somebody, like, let's say if Brooke Lopez put a like 55 one night, they'd take his shoes and put it in the Hall of Fame, but he's not going to get in the Hall of Fame. You know, it's kind of a similar thing.

All right. Jomi's about to miss his pick, bro. So Jomi, obviously you had to do it and I appreciate it. Thank you. You had to do it. No. It's an instant. No.

That's what I'm going to say. So go to your actual pick. Agent's Shield is an instant now. Y'all got to skip me, man. It's grim. There's one that the fact that it didn't get picked is I'm like, I'm actually surprised it's gone this low. Because it might be quality,

but in terms of impact, it's one of the most important superhero shows. So this is not just superhero stuff. This is all of fandom, right? This is all fandom. So I'll let you have that show. I'm going to easy one, Star Trek, the next generation. Hell yeah.

I can't even argue this one. Hell yeah. The next generation? I'm not going with the... No, it has to be the next generation. No, yeah, it's DNG. So the only reason why I would do the next generation, okay.

That's my Star Trek. Okay. So that's my Star Trek. It's really the only Star Trek shit I ever really watched. I watch the movies, but the next generation I used to watch it all the time. And once again, I don't know why I'm into the updated versions.

I did that with Rebels too. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe you do have to put in the original Star Trek. You don't think so, Charles? I kind of, it's, again, like, Spock and Kirk and Hora, all those, like, come on. But, but, I don't know. I mean, for me. It just has to be TNG, bro.

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You, I mean, it's basically the same thing where you take a show that is, you know, popular, beloved. You're not spin it off, whatever. You make, like, a little sequel thing. And it's tighter. It's more polished.

the highs are higher, but it wouldn't exist without this super popular, super well-developed show that despite its flaws like became the show of a generation. That shit had Picard in it, bro. I'm not like, come on, like,

we overthinking it. You know what I'm saying? So mine is Star Trek to the next generation. I vote. It's in, yes. It's in. It's in. We could put Star Trek in later.

Here's the thing. I was going to go with X-Men the animated series, but fuck it. It'll get in there some. I'm not wasting my pick. Yeah. I'm going to go with something controversial. Then might hate this one. You know, we're talking about impact. If we're talking about this shit was funny from the first season to the last, man, I got to go with the OG Teen Titans, bro.

That shit was special. That shit was special. The Slade episode? I don't hate it. When he beats the brakes off of Robin? I don't think that. that could be a 12. I wanted to be a 12.

I wanted to be there. That shit has kept the lights on at Cartoon Network. That's the shit that's... I got a better Cartoon Network pick. I would say no. I would say no. That's tough. I don't think that could be.

That is tough. It just doesn't. It's not. Look, bro. Look at you talking to. That's one of the most successful superhero TV shows of all time. I don't disagree with you, but it's not... Y'all are you really outside like that.

It's not. The motherfuckers are going to be like justice. It's good. Listen, I'm not saying it's not good. Look, again, it's me, bro. Jomi, that's my, it's my. Joemy, man. You, like, you soul, bro.

Like, this hurt my heart. I look at my heart. This hurts my heart. It's fine. Steve, what you got, man? Easy pick. Samurai Jack. No.

Tough. No. No. It's not. It's not. It don't got the impact. It's not. It's not.

It's not. It's not. You know what I'm saying. I'll, again. Love Samurai Jack. Like, you know. Tim Chines not getting in, bro. Samurai Jack's not getting it.

Come on, man. Joe Me. When we go around Robin is who we get one. I'm going to shout out to Mal. Shout out to Joe. Doctor Who. No. I mean, I thought that I set the Pander record when I was doing this.

Come on. Doctor Who's not out on the streets like that? No. Come on, man. That's a timeless show. Like, I mean, we talk about. So you're talking about the run from the 60s till now? Or New Who?

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the Sonic screwdriver, the whole nine, right? The regeneration. It's, I mean, legitimately, if we talk about, like, fandom, one of, like, the OG fandom shows, along with Star Trek. The Hood, not fucking with Doctor Who, bro. I don't dis, well, the hook, yeah.

We're not, come on. You do it for the people, but the people, the people. No, our people. Not the people, our people. We ain't doing Doctor Who, come on. They're going to be mad. Van.

They're going to be mad. I don't care, Van. What you got? What are you talking about? Are you voting for Doctor Who? I'm not. I can't. So it's in Doctor Who's,

but it's not a Midnight Boy's thing. Like, we don't watch the show. I'm sorry to everyone. Yeah, it's ubiquitous. It is legendary. It is. If there was less melancholing in, like, you know, on the podcast,

You say that Doctor Who is for white people? No. That's exactly what you just said. Well, I mean, if I'm going to be real, if we're going to keep it real in the same way that, like, Star Wars is in a galaxy far, far away and there's just nothing but white motherfuckers, like, we just get in our first black Doctor Who. And this niggas is an alien. You know what I'm saying? Who could basically, like, transform, like a transdimensional beam. And he's only transformed into one Negro in this whole time.

Let me tell you. This guy be honest with you. If Doctor Who is hanging around on. on earth, he probably's like, why would I transform into one of them motherfuckers? Like, it just makes it a lot harder. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're saying in the 90s, he's not like, he's like Martin's Poppin, we got Jordan. This is what I'm saying.

I'm saying, I'm saying that Doctor Who is about to transition. Because I don't know if he can even, can, or if he can't really control what he's transformed into, no. But you might be about to transform into a black person that all of a sudden the Rodney King video drops and you go, whoop, duck that bitch. Not trying to do this. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know, man.

Van, what's your, what's your pick? We need, we still need to get five in. We're lacking right now. We lacking. What's it in right now? We got Batman the Animated Series, Avatar, Rebels, Game of Thrones, DBZ, Watchman, next generation. X-Men the Animated Series is still on the board.

Oh, but I'm not, I'm not picking that because you're going to pick that. I'm not going to pick that. That's like, that's going in. Let's just put it in. Let's just put it in. X-M-A-N-N-A-Series. And then you go off, what's your one besides that? Firefly, nigga.

Oh. All right, here's the thing. I like Firefly. Here's my issue. The impact is going to be tough. And I like Firefly to talk about Firefly to this day. But it doesn't throw it out there. They don't move the needle.

No, it's probably. It don't move the needle. It doesn't move the needle. Because Firefly couldn't even stay on TV. Yeah. It don't move. Wait, so, you know. Just because it was canceled doesn't mean it wasn't finished.

Like, it's finished. You know, you know, Joss Whedon was. canceled, but, like, I feel like if we're going to put any of his shows in, guys, I don't support whatever. It would have to be Buffy. I think Buffy's kind of an automatic in. I would say Buffy's in.

You don't fuck with Buffy, Jomey? First of all. At what time would I have been like, yeah, let me lock in my- Let me turn on the CW, man. Let me turn on the CW. Once the kids W.B was over, I was off CW. That's how you know Jomey's not fucking with the 90s, because Buffy was the 90s? Yeah, man.

I was born in 1996? What did you want for me to do in the 90s? Nah, man, come on. Like, was I supposed to be? two years old like, hey, let's push it by Buffy. All right. This is a grown table right now. Jomi, you can't.

Like, I think Buffy goes in. You're the last. I think Buffy goes in. I don't disagree. I'm just saying, I don't know what y'all want. Now, this is, this one, I think, gets in on impact. But if we went back to watch it, I don't know if, like, the quality would hold up. But just for how popular it wasn't what it meant, I feel like we got to put the OG

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. on that shit. Cartoon-wise. Because I don't know if quality-wise it holds up, but like that shit was... No, we can't put... We can't put...

We can't put that next to Batman the enemies. I'm sorry, we can't. I don't think it would make it. No. It doesn't? I don't know. Probably not. Probably not. Probably not.

These are pretty solid 11s to me. Yeah. That's fair. I don't... I'm not going to capable. I'll be honest with you. The turtles are right there, though. They are.

Really? That show was... Impactful... The impact is so crazy. Quality-wise, but honestly, I'm going to go, I'm going to go 11 plus. But God damn, that's an R-win. That's a hard one. They're on the bubble.

I'm not going to argue, okay, we got to get, we have three more guys. All right. This might be a bit of a stretch because it's in genre storytelling, for sure. It is a limited series. I would like to say the quality is there. Impact is kind of there. I think that this could probably fit our criteria. What do we think about Midnight Mass?

I never watch. You didn't watch Midnight Mass? It's good. I went back and watched it because Joe asked me, well, ain't nobody putting in the goddamn 12. What are you talking? They ain't going in there. Mike Flanagan, right?

Yeah, Mike Flanagan. Joe asked me to watch it. It's his best work. Joe's never had a bad recommendation for nothing. If Joe tell you watch it, it's going to be good, you know what I mean? But it can't go in there. You weren't messing with it. Because, no, this is, this is fear of God right now.

No, no, no, no, I like it. But it's not going to, it's not going in here. They ain't putting that up there next to no goddamn Star Wars. Why not? We can't. Why not? Why not? It's not enough of a thing.

What do you mean? It's not enough of a thing. It's not enough of a thing. Here's the thing. If I throw, I'm going to throw two out and it's crazy that I'm throwing these two out. But it's, it has to be said it's crazy that we don't have a Marvel.

What Marvel TV show is put in that? I feel like we're going to get close. The way y'all talk about Daredevil and Loki, I thought somebody was going to bring it out. Oh, Daredevil's on there for me. See, no, this is. I'm just waiting for it. Daredevil's on there for me.

So this where we, I'm surprised, no, it's this late. I feel like we're starting to now, now we get into advocating for single seasons of television because I don't think that Bear Devil as a whole can sit there. Oh, well, hold on. Well, here's the thing. Season 1 and season three, personally, to me, really, really, really good.

First half of season two, really, really, really good. The second half of season two, oh my God. Like, not, not there. Okay. And so I think there's an argument to be made. I would agree with Van that it should probably be there. And it was holding Netflix down.

Yeah, it was. It was huge. Like, I would argue it. So you put it in over Stranger Things then? No, Stranger Things is finished. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's right. Yeah.

And also, I mean, it gave us, you know, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and the defenders, a whole bunch of stuff that we're not really... We're not really... Probably besides Jessica. Yeah, we're not really, like, it's not the same level, but if we talk about impact,

Yeah. All right, so who's going to nominate it, though? I'll nominate it. Daredevil. For Hall of Fame, what do you guys think? Yes or no? You got the vote from Van. I mean, Steve doesn't have it.

We need a, we need a time. Here's the thing. Y'all know how I feel about Daredevil. It got a season and a half of good television. There you go. I put it. A season and a half? Just because of that, I'll vote in Daredevil because that's so wrong.

I could see it being kept out. I would say it was. Yeah. I could see it being kept out. That's why I did nominate it at first. I'm looking like. were you going to nominate? The thing is, this is like one of the, a perfect

two seasons and television, but I don't know if you guys have seen it. Gravity Falls. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I see Gravity Falls. Let me ask you a question. I got one since we're doing rapid fire round. Does the Walking Dead make it? No. There's a, because here's the thing, I was

locked in on the Walking Dead, but there's a lot of mid towards the end. Like, there's a, it fell. No, the ratio of good to bad is like Simpson's level. Like, like, it's all. on for so long. And it's not, I'm good with leaving it out, but that's a

impact. Impact, yes. But if we're talking about quality, like, you was not watching this. Because that's the thing, if you want to talk about seasons one through three of Walking Dead, that was... A little bit longer than that. A little bit, but like... But it just, it just...

Peak. Beat you into the dirt with mediocrity. Yeah, man. Yeah. It just beat you down with this is not that good. No. So, it probably wouldn't it. So we never, so if we go on. We don't have no superheroes in this.

We don't. What about the whole, what about all of the CW stuff? None of that stuff makes it. Because here's the thing, beating you down mediocrity. Arrow the first couple of seasons, I was fucking with that shit heavy. The final couple seasons, man. What was the worst that Smallville gave us? Oh, no.

Doesn't Smallville have to be a 12? No. I don't know. No. No. No. No. First of all, like Smallville.

First of all, Peak Smallville was. like the best that C. definitely ever did. Wait, did y'all see that clip that was going around about when like when Clark is Smallville got the really hot teacher? Yeah. And he's going through puberty and the fucking Ibeams go through the fucking shit. That was crazy.

Not Smallville, I wish I could. I really wish I could. I love Smallville. But no way. Wait, I'm surprised none of y'all, I'm surprised none of y'all have nominated like a Wanda Wanda Vision or a Loki or any of that shit. Wanda Vision can't be a 12. The last episode is bad.

Last episode is not good. The closest that we can get is probably Loki, but I recall ranking that like a 10 out of 12 from a total thing. Like I think season one is a 12, but I think season two makes this like a 10. If this is the end of Loki, I could say that Loki is the MCU TV's only 12.

If that's the end of Loki. If that's the whole thing. If we never see this version of Loki ever again. If we never see this version of Loki, Which I hope is the case. Now, do we know whether or not Loki's coming back? We can see Sylvie again, probably. I think it's open-ended, but leaning more towards we probably won't,

unless we get to end game. So if we're not putting either of those on the list, we're getting down to, like, you know. How many do we have on there? We just need three more. First of all, you guys, there are so many shows that we're probably missing. Listen, if you want to go down the shit that I, if you want to go down the shit of individual seasons that I want,

want to talk about? Not individual. We've got so many things that we can talk about. I have Heroes Season 1. Stranger Things Season 1. Andor season 1. Arcane season 1. Arcane's good.

I love Arcane. I love Arcane. We have to see more. Yes. I'm going to have to see more. That's like five more picks that we can talk about. I mean, Andor should have gone in there, but y'all said it can't. Because it's one season.

It's one season. Look. But that's the thing. Like, Andor's so good that if Andor shits the bed from here on out, season one is still perfect. Bro, but here's the thing. And Andor is still the thing that, like, makes you want, like, if you watch nothing new in Star Wars, it has to be Andor.

If you have a rookie year, bro, where you average 30, 12, and 10. Tyriek Evans. And then he come back and he can't put two things together. Like, we got going to be like, oh, you have that one good year, though, man. Hall of Fame, man. You just be like, man, what could have been? No, we could do. We could put shows on 12 watch.

Ooh, we put Andor on 12 watch. Put Andor on 12 watch. Put And we knock it off if he. We put the boys on 12 watch. The boys would be on 12 watch. We could put shows on 12 watch. We could put Andrew on 12 watch. We could put the boys on 12 watch.

Last three picks. All right. So I think we probably can all agree Andor the boys, Andor the boys, Otto 12 watch. Auto 12 watch. What's the last one

that's an auto 12 watch? Like, it is on the book. I vote Arcane for a 12 watch. House of the Dragon? No. No. We won't know that until like we're all 40. I think this is going to be

controversial one because the last season was so trash. But if we talk about Impact, the Mandalorian could kind of skate in there in terms of like, if they bounce, if the movie is good. See, the Mandalorian is the example of why you want to see more of the show because after season two, it would have been on crazy 12 watch.

I know, but I don't want to dignify season three. If it ended at season two, we would have put it in there. Yeah, well, I'm just saying, but it's like, season three and look is season three of Mandalorian overhated a little bit

probably you don't think maybe not no no it was rough underhated honestly I don't think it's enough

but do you think it's enough to derail how good and how impactful those first two seasons I'll tell you what it was so bad that when a Mando movie

was announced we were like okay yeah that's why but here's the thing about the long haul of a television show if Mando comes back

in season four a banger and season five is a banger. Or even if season four is a banger, Mando potentially still has 12 possibility, 12 a chance at it. Because it's one bad season of TV.

We're getting a movie now, so it doesn't matter. Right. Well, I mean, I don't know if they're going to come back and do it another show, but it's like one bad season of TV like out of four wouldn't necessarily because if that's the case, then Game of Thrones. Yeah, you know what I mean? But put it to you like this. Say season three is the last season of the Mandalorian and we just have the movie and that's it.

Well, then that's not, you can't be as well. So what about Justice League Unlimited? Wow, that's a tough one. That's a tough one. I think that's a perfect telling you. I love that. And that was a big deal, too. Everybody's talking about that?

I put Batman Beyond sooner than Justice League. Whoa. Whoa. No, man. Come on, I can't do this. I never watched Batman Beyond, so I don't know. You never watched Batman Beyond? Batman Beyond's good.

Why are you asking it like it's blasphemy? No, for Justice League Unlimited? Over Unlimited? No, come on, man. Justice League Unlimited is like perfect. That's good TV. I never watch basketball. Did you watch Power Rangers, the Mighty Morphor for joint?

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Come on. Let's keep it real. Yeah, we got it. Like, I want to get, like, nostalgic and cute about it, but come on, this is a real. I mean, there are other shows that I put down on my list that just didn't have the quality. Lois and Clark to New Adventures of Superman.

I love Lois and Clark. I love the show, but when you, like, in the show, it's like, the show was a phenomenon, right? She was, she became, like, one of the biggest actions on TV. It was huge. but the show's just not good enough to like be on the list. It's good. Yeah, no, no. But the show is just not good enough to be on to be on the list like this.

There are other huge shows. I mean, if we go on shows that aren't good enough to be the list, we should have put on Zena. That was my shit. Zena War and Princess? That shit was my shit, right. She was huge, though. Zena was great.

That shit was dope. So when you're unlimited doesn't get in there. It doesn't have as big of an impact as I would have like. It's like one of those, this is legitimately one of those classes where, you know, it's a weak class. and you got to put people, people got to get in there, you know what I'm saying?

And so, like, one year we're like the best guy to get in, probably has, like, one MVP, no rings, right? And you're like, like, when Derek Rose going to Hall of Fame, you know what I'm saying? He got an MVP. You know what I'm saying?

He got to go in. He got to go in, right? Despite the fact his career is not really, you look at, like, the peak, and you're like, okay, cool, from, like, 2011, that year where he was crazy. And then up until the year,

injury, it goes, man, too special, he's getting in. But since then, till what? He's still playing today for the Memphis Grizzlies. It's like, it's not the same, right? So we got to start looking at it, like this Hall of Fame like that where it was like, we don't really want to let 11s in, but, you know, he got to start. I mean, if we really trying to talk to the people, talk to, you know, the people will really be watching shit on various platforms, you know, Sailor Moon, you know, shout out there.

Hey, there you know what I mean. Why would you do that? That's a multimedia experience. We're going to get a text now. Oh, I'm about to send it out right now. No, man. Stop! Not on the spot. That's why you said it.

That's why I was like, why would you say that? We're not, bro. We need a 12, yo. I'm going to throw some shows out of y'all. Okay. The Punisher's not going to make the cut, right? No, no. Okay.

Does the original Batman with Adam West? Hmm. Not because not for the quality, but for the, I love that show as a kid. That's great. There's not a more impactful superhero show in the history. I might. But if you're talking. about like...

It's like putting Bob Coozy in there. Yeah. What are you talking? He's in the whole thing. He's in the whole thing. He's in the hall of fame. He's there. He's taking all your shit.

He's there. I might go Adam West if we can't think. The Green Hornet, no. No. So the Green Hornet not in there. Question. Is Invincible on 12 watch? I would say so.

I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I would say despite the fact that the keep giving us a grain of sand every three years, I would say that it is. That animation is not where it needs to be to be a 12. So you, all right.

Are you Quinn? No. No. No. You didn't like the last season. I did not. Doom Patrol? No.

Do y'all fuck with Doom Patrol, though? Not really. I don't really enjoy it. Titans? No. We're running out of Titans. I like Titans. I like Titans.

No. My last holdout was Scavengers rain, but that's way too early. way too early for the time. It was rain. What else? Charles, throw some shit out. Oh man,

what else did I have on my list? Yeah. Like, we ran through all my shit, bro. I said it until the beginning. I was like, are we doing fandom? We're doing like overall team of year?

Like, we're doing fandom. I was like, this is not a deep reservoir. I mean, because like I know shit. I know shit personally that like y'all aren't going to vote in.

Like, I would vote in like adventure time. That's a game changer. Then don't watch adventure time. I would agree with you. Adventure time is a game. I could put adventure time there. I can put adventure time in there.

Let's put adventure time there. Wait, but Adventure Time Adventure Time has the impact for it to go. I'm asking you, when I tell you, like, there is like before Adventure Time in animation and after, like when I'm talking about

a whole generation of cartoons, you know what I'm saying? Like, shout out, Open Mike Eagle. Open Mike Eagle did a podcast on that shit. Adventure Time set a precedent. It set a precedent. You go into a hot topic. They still got Adventure Time shit up in that thing.

So would you put in Adventure Time before you put in like Rick and Morty? fucking Rick and Morty. Nah, bro. Wait, no, Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

We off that. Hold on. Hold on. Off that. 12 watch. If we're being, if we're being for real, like for having like an honest conversation,

you would talk about impact. I want to talk about quality. You want to talk about the whole thing. Rick and Morty is in the conversation. Yeah. But they have so many more seasons to go. Do we want to put our podcast on Incel Watch? The Rick and Morty people are insales?

Okay. There was a toxic fandom A couple of seasons ago One of the creators The whole Sesh one Sosh thing I know what happened with him But like that's like a He's like they're bad

I'm not I'm personally like Rick and Morty But like No it's a Dave Matthews band thing Like the fans are toxic But the music's great I'll listen to Hooty and the Blowfish in my car

I'm not listening to it around You know the Shotties Like Well yeah you don't tell, you don't like, man, you see that Rick and Morty episode last night, you go home, comes down on 1130, you watch it, you go to bed, that's it. The original Wonder Woman, Linda Carter. Ooh, oh, that's good.

We can still, if we don't want to leave it up to the fans, we could also do Clone Wars. We should put Clone Wars in there. Put Clone Wars in there. It's a disservice to Clone Wars. Put Clone Wars in there. Switch it out. Okay, all right. Put Clone Wars in there.

So the only thing I'm asking now is no Justice League. I think Justice League Unlimited should have been in there. It got my vote. Y'all were over there. I did, no, we probably might have overthought it. You probably, let's put it this way. Adventure Time, Clone Wars, Justice League Unlimited. Which one do we think is the strongest candidate?

I've never seen Adventure Time, so I can't, I can't be. So out of Justice League Unlimited, Clone Wars, which one are you going? I'd go Clone Wars. I'd go Unlimited. I think Unlimited is the better series. There's not a, it's probably Justice League Unlimited. All right. I'm not mad at either.

I'm not mad at either. Is it? I don't know. Probably Clone Wars. No, I think it's unbelievable. Because here's the thing. When we talk about maybe the highs of Clone Wars are higher, but like... Okay, so we're deadlocked.

Kick it to the audience. Click. All right. You know what? Let's do this. Fuck it. 12, we're leaving it open. Fan vote.

Fan vote. And which ones are we putting up there? Clone Wars? So Clone Wars. Unlimited. Unlimited. Adventure time. And I also want to throw in the original Wonder Woman.

I'm just saying, we'll live the corner, man. I don't think people are locked in there. We get done it in there. Let's see. I think it'll get more votes than you guys. I think it will. All right. So, rounding this out,

Hall of Fame, we have Batman the animated series, Avatar the Last Airbender, Star Wars Rebels, Game of Thrones, DBZ, Watchman, the next generation,

X-Men the animated series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for 10 and 11, and The Boys are both on 12 Watch. And then for viewer choice, the choices we have are Lindel carter Wonder Woman, Justice League Unlimited,

right. Star Wars, Clone Wars, Adventure Time. I think we did good. I think we did good, too. I think we did good too. I think TV is tough. But I think that this was one of our more robust,

very gentlemanly conversations. And now it's time to talk about something else. Now to ruin it. It's time for midnight mediation. Now, we got to keep shit vague. We do not want the block to get high. We don't have to talk about this. We do have to talk.

So this is the deal. This is the scene. We're all together. Not going to say where, not going to say how, not going to say why. All right. But we're all together

and there are people there. We're hanging out. There is a woman there. It seems that both Charles and Jomey had interest in said woman. Had interested in this woman. Took their shot at that woman. Let's not say.

Let him finish. Let him finish. Interest is a very strong word. Let's say they both We were having a good time. Had conversations with her. Yes. At one point,

it was Charles having a. a conversation with her. And at one point, it was Jomi having an extended conversation with you. You was locked in. Breached too far. You was locked in. I was just like, you are up.

There's no. There was a miscommunication. Things happened, you know. Jomi, shut up. I hate it when things, don't you just hate it when things happened? I hate it. I hate it was just stand on that. So the reality is this.

Actually is it. Jomey's talking to her, Charles. And this is, so I'm going to tell you guys what happened from my vantage point. No, this is you going to lie on me. I'm not going to lie. You lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to tell you what happened from my vantage point.

The way I was looking at it, just hanging out, is earlier on, it seemed to be that Charles was making some conversations and having some conversations. Jomi swooped in and then Jomey was having a conversation. And the conversation lasted for a long time. After Jomey's conversation went on for a while, Charles then reasserted himself. Innocent. I am innocent. Charles didn't reasserted himself because while Jomi's conversation was happening, Charles was texting to the group chat going Jomi applying pressure.

I didn't want to respond because I didn't know how Charles felt about it. I know what was going on, but my spices is tingling. I'm like, oh, okay, there's something happening. Then after Jomey was finished talking to her, Charles made sure to leave an impression before she, exited. All I'll say said place that we were. We are in demon time and niggas is scared of the Jersey devil.

You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. And so then after that, and so then after that, after it's just us, just us three and Kalika, I say very clearly. I was like, they both tell you, I say very clearly,

I was like, y'all niggas decide. Yeah. Because I see it coming. I'm like, y'all nicks decide. Now, when it became, real to Jomi, Jomi's whole demeanor change. I got locked in. Jomey got locked in. So that was the thing.

That's the part. That's a little tight. The part that got things ratcheted up a little bit was when someone said, I'm not afraid of competition. And then somebody else said, nigger, what, I was like, what? I was like, whoa. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, all right. And then I ordered some ice cream.

So is it an all-offrey? I really was just like, all right, the thing that a bro would do would be like, all right, yeah, cool, like, I'm going to stay out of the way. No, no, no, brotherhood, whatever. Jomey had to talk to shit. I'm like, come on, man, you're doing too much.

Nick, let's go. What you're saying? Wow. No, but here's the thing. There was only one of us who had to ask for outside fucking help. There's this thing, right? Again, it got, see,

I'm not afraid when I know, like, I need a through ball. right when I need a lob you feel me not afraid to ask you're not a shooter joey and that's what I'm afraid of like here's the thing but shooters you're not a shooter Steve is a fucking shooter time out time out here's what happened

driving home I'm doing the math I'm like I could do this I could do that all right you know what I was talking my I was talking my shit let me let me let me have some pride right go home I text Kalika I'm like yo don't worry about it I'm a lock in myself

appreciate you. It's just, you can check my phone. I take everything back. So you texted Kalika and you said you're going to lock in yourself. Yeah, I got it. Oh, I'm so proud. I got it. I got it.

I got everything back. Jomi's like, you go. I'm a, I'm a, I'm going to put it together. 12 out of 12 in my book. So 12 out of 12, Jomey's my man. Drive at home, I'm like, that's not what a real J would do. That's the spirit. That's the spirit of the game.

First of all, there's no real G. You guys are so precious. By the way, I'm so glad that I just went. I just went home at this point. Hey, we got for you too, don't worry. We got for you too. You're gone. But like there's, first of all,

there's no real G way to do it, right? Yeah, yeah, correct. And number two, it's like in a situation like that, this is what we cultivate. We cultivate situations that are so laid back. It's not, you're not in the club, you're not at the bar. There's no question.

This was family time. The situation is so laid back that they're in the club. is a, there is a reason for you to keep talking to every single person that's there. Every single, nobody that's there is going to be like, oh, somebody's asking for your number. We have to get married. Nobody's going to be like that. So there's a reason, hey, we're hanging out.

We're all friends now. We're all in the thing now. And so it's like not even that big of a deal. That's why, but when I saw the way that both of you guys were, and I felt it. I said it. It wasn't. Because you're selling it. It was not that heat, bro.

You're lying. You have to cry. We sell it a little bit. Come on, man. Okay. No, you are. You definitely are. So, you know how I knew?

When Charles texted the group chat and was like, Jomi applying pressure. No, I was actually proud. You're a fucking lie. What are you? Like, you're a lie. When you sit that, when you sit that, you are lying, bro. That was a little bit of a, oh shit, Jomi's moving in on the fucking girl that I was talking to. It is.

Y'all, y'all, bro, I'm. been doing this so long. And so as soon as they left, I was like, I've been here before. I'm like, y'all figured this out. So here's the thing. I disagree. I disagree. I actually was proud of Jomi. If I'm being like, if this is a safe space before she,

I just had to leave like one last impression. I just, you know what I'm saying? Of course. It's a memorable thing. I just, you know, just in case, just in case, that's all. I will cop to that. That's the thing, right? So, and this is why, and we haven't been around and you just got here.

So we haven't been around each other that much. There is a thing that has to happen to where you shouldn't have done that. You shouldn't have done that. In my defense, in my defense. But at the same time, the only reason why you did do it is only because we don't have all shit figured out. That is true. Two things. Two things.

First of all, you know, I'm coming off an injury. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to get minutes. So I just had to feel like, I just be like, oh, do you still got it? What do you got to work on? I got to go home. I got to talk to the coach.

My bad. And that's, no, that's cool. I'm not in plain shape yet. Because that's what I thought it was until the additional information came about. I was just like stretching my legs. I thought we was hooping. I thought we was hooping. Was until she leaves.

Oh, oh, it's like that. Oh. Also, and Van is an instigator because. No, I'm not. Because here's the thing. I just thought we was like playing and hooping around because it's just like, yo, this is like the little homie. So I'm not really going to like super, super apply pressure.

One van, real nigga, did not shut it down. Second, he wasn't like, y'all got to stop. He was just like, hey, just figure it out. That's all he did. Not going to stop nobody's motion. Just going to be like, hey, I noticed that throughout the course of the evening, it wasn't you locked on to one girl. So how about we not do a thing where for the next couple of weeks or three weeks,

it's like you're talking to her, you're talking to her. Hey, Charles is here. He's new. It's figured out. I'm just saying, y'all don't do y'all shit like Steve. Steve goes out into the world. Steve be gone for two weeks. And then when he comes back, he got somebody new.

He got a wife. Steve, Steve, Steve, be like, man, I haven't seen Steve. Steve, Steve, haven't been around for a while when Steve come back. And it's crazy because every time Steve, hey, Steve, Steve, we're doing something trying to come through. I got a date. Yeah, Steve, Steve coming this thing. So this is the thing with the Midnight Boys being together. We're our own crew

And I get to just sit back and revel in it Man, this is a Wild Boy Summer This is a midnight boy summer, bro We're getting up shots I don't care The team wins When the team wins we all win Yeah, I'll tell you something right now

Nick can say that shit I'm gonna say something right now I'll tell you something right now I'm telling you something right now I'm talking something right now I'm gonna sound like you're full of shit I'll tell you right now I'll tell you right now

I'll tell you right now I'll tell you right now. Let that happen and say that again. Overall, like that's... Dunzo. Midnight Boys stronger than ever! It's a wrap. Follows on socials,

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Boo-hoo! Do we got a pandering drop yet? I guess a pander drop. Because that is, that's a creed. I know exactly what it's going to be. It's future saying panda, panda, panda. Yeah. Wait, did you?

Future? Play the drums. Play the drums, Steve. What? Play the drums, Steve. Was it not future? Yeah, we did. Play the drums.

Is that not future? Are you being for real? Are you? Can you name? Let's play a game. Can Steve name who sung Panda? Steve. I'm talking about it from the remix with Kanye.

No. No. No, no. I'm trying to change it up. Steve. No, I'm not thinking. That's what I'm referencing. Steve.

I know. Steve, you fucking up. So I will say this is, this is a sad moment. But I will say that. There was controversy because this motherfucker sounded just like Future. But at the same time, you fucked up big time just now. Okay. Big time.

So that was designer. Okay, that was designer. Yeah. And you're not saying that other people didn't say that he sounded just like. Oh, there was a whole thing. But come on, we, but we. But it was the Future Kanye song where they did the. Again.

Again. Future's not on that record. Yeah, he did. He did, he did a verse on that. No. What? Future's not on that. No.

Conne. No, no. No, he future. No, I don't need. Future's not on that record. You're talking about Father Stretching My Hands, too. Yes. Kanye took Panda and fucking reworked it and put it in there.

So you think you're here in the future. That's designer. Am I wrong about that? You would be correct. Yeah. So, like, that's, Future is not on. So Panda was already out. Panda went to number one.

Right. On its own. Without Kanye. Maybe, but maybe Kanye helped, right? Panda went to number one. No, Panda definitely went to number one. Yeah. Yeah.

And then Kanye liked Panda so much for whatever reason. He signed designer to the community. music. Okay. And then he took that and he put it in Father Stretch My Hands Part 2. I did fuck up. So, yeah, you big time. Dog.

He's bad. I'm glad it was in February because I never did you. Yeah, man, you a couple days too short. Well, we have a pandering.