The Ringer-Verse - The Punisher Returns! Daredevil: Born Again Episode 4 | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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What did I do? Let me tell you out something real quick. We had an interview schedule with Hillary Banks. Oh, wow. Awesome. She did the podcast. Got somebody coming up. That's great.

I get here. I'm, you know, I'm doing higher learning. We're going to do the interview. Good interview with Hillary, wouldn't you say, with Karen Parsons. Oh, yeah. It went great. It went great. So I get here.

I'm looking for a studio. I hit, Kerm hits me like, hey man, we're all on Zoom waiting. I'm like, Kerm, where's the studio? I'm here in person. I need to be set up in the studio. Uh-oh. Kerm was at home. Kermh hates coming to work so much.

Damn, Kerm, defend yourself. Don't do that, man. Don't do that. I was on the Zoom. Come on, bro. Conversation with Karen, waiting for you. Don't do that. That's what really was happening.

Let me tell you what really was happening. Kerm did this on purpose so that you can have time to talk to care. That's good. Curbs, what you should watch out, you guys. We were just having a great conversation. She living, she living for that kid. Don't want to say where she lived now. I used to live there.

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We're not putting Boba Fett. We could get somebody cooler than Boba Fett. We could put Luke or Darth Vader on there. Luke, Darth Vader. Now, I should be all black heroes. You know what I'm saying? All black.

All right. Superhero of the week. Yeah, like, put Jory up there. Put Jordy LaForge. Put Jordie up there. Jordi up there. Yeah.

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On Monday, the Midnight Boards are giving you an extra episode where they break down the season finale of Severance. But on today's show, we're going to give you our instant reactions to the third episode of Daredevil Born Again. I like secession, but it's not like, oh, before we get into Daredevil Morning Again, I'm really into White Lotus now.

Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, are you caught up? I'm all caught up in the last episode. I'm all caught up in the last episode. So you did season one. Season two. Season one. How you liked in season three?

Season three is great. Season three was, I wouldn't say up and down, but it was moving along at a, not a glacial place, but a very deliberate pace. But last episode really picked things up. Oh, man. Sam Rockwell. Everybody got their Achilles seal. I'm like, dog.

It's the greatest monologue. The monologue was so crazy that nobody's talking about how Kerry Coon got snaked by her girl, bro. That was some of the most flagrant, nasty stuff. I've ever seen. I will say something about the Carrie Coon getting snaked by a girl thing. No, I will say this. She only kind of got snaked.

Nah. At the end of the night, she was fine. She's like, hey, whatever, we had a good night. I'll tell you about this. I'll tell you why she only kind of got snake for two reasons. Number one, vacation flips like that. Nobody got, like, a claim to them. Yeah.

Yeah. Vacation flips. Nah, but Jacqueline spent the whole trip, like, you should get with man's. You should go with balancing. she kept pushing her that way. She did. Then she... It really matters when they talk at breakfast.

And then she probably has been doing that to her her whole life. Probably. That's the thing, probably like soaking up her light and stuff. Chuck, are you watching? Hell yeah. Last episode. I'm with you. It was very glacial and last we hit the gas.

But honestly, they was talking mad shit about Carrie. They were. All season. They were like, damn, she looked busted. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Absolutely not. That's proximate midnight. She looked the best to me.

The disrespect was crazy. That's why I think they were hating. Hating. Like, they knew she looked the best and they like, we got to bring her down the size. Leslie Bibb, Republican and everything. But at the same time, when they were like, when she was like, I do want to go to sleep, y'all all a little while. She's just like me for real.

You know what I mean? Sometimes kind of like, oh, nah. It's 3 a.m. You know what I mean? Y'all's still bumping this music, man. We got work at eight. Let's wrap this thing up. Carrie Coon got an interesting name.

What it is, all right. So here's the thing though, before we get off of what, White Lotus. I asked this question on Twitter. Have you guys ever been in a situation like that where your homeboy is downloading you on some shit and it goes way left than you thought it was going to go? Yeah. You've been in that situation? No comment. You've been in that situation? Absolutely. No comment.

Charles? Yes. I'm going to tell my story real quick. All right. Oh, God. I'm sitting down talking to one of my homies one time. Hello, Ringiverse fans. I regret to inform you that due to the initiation, of Deep Saddle Protocol. This bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are.

Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, PooPew, we'll get back to you shortly. Actually, you know what? Wait a man, that's probably an open case. Oh, my God. Whoa, whoa. No, take all that out.

I'm serious. Take all that out. That's an open. I told them I was going to tell the story. Wait, wait, wait. Deep shadow that whole conversation. And then it's like, oh, wait, I think that's an open case. Is that the first time we've done a deep shadow protocol, that's probably an open case?

Yeah, that's probably an open case. Yeah. It was funny, but then people start connected dots. Yeah. Like, W. Mellie out here, you can't have that. To bring it back to the show would be crazy, Matt Murdoch showed up at. I try and be like, and now what's time for the minute? Man, what are we doing?

What are we doing? Man, spoiler warning for Daredevil, man. We're getting ready to talk about Daredevil I'm Born Again. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, to begin our reactions, we have to put you in the know.

The only person who can do that is Chuck Wagon. The only way to do that is the Midnight Maniface. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for Daredevil Born Again. This episode is directed by Jeffrey Knapmanoff. written by David Feigy and Jesse O'Wigato. Matt meets Hector's niece, Angela at the morgue, the young girl, and potential next white tiger, wants answers about our uncle's death and the cops roll in it. While lit off tequila and ketamine at the club, Daniel Blake lets his guard down around BB,

a mistake that results in a piece about Kingpin being anti-union. To make matters worse, this and Angela are still struggling in couples counseling. Matt takes on the case of Leroy Bradford, a man accused of stealing popcorn from a bodega. Leroy gives a very impassioned speech about the failings of the criminal justice system and how we just want some damn dessert. Feeling guilty, Matt goes to the crime scene of Hector's death and finds a bullet with the Punisher symbol on it. Matt locates Frank Castle's new hideout.

And the two front of me squabble about the role of vigilantes. After a long day, Matt and Fisk end up in similar positions with the lawyer's billy club speaking to him like the green goblin mask. And the mayor eating some sausages and pasta in front of his wife's imprisoned former lover. And that has been your manifest for Daredevil Born Again, Van. I'll start with you. Finally, the Punisher is back. how are you feeling about episode four? So that was a great scene and the episode was good.

But I will say something about this episode. And I'm going to sound like Charles a little bit here. This episode for me was like watching English Premier League soccer. Okay. Elaborate. Oh, my God. So I don't have a team. So when I watch it, I'm entertained.

Okay. But I don't really care. you're just looking at it like objectively. I'm watching it. I'm entertained. I'm entertained by what's happening, but I don't know enough about English Premier League soccer. I don't have an Arsenal kit or a Chelsea kit.

I don't know the players as well besides maybe 10 international guys. So I'm watching it. I'm like, oh, this is a lot of fun. And I can see why it's fun. I can see the people are into it. The sport is beautiful. It's not boring. It's good.

But I don't care. Like the guy with the fiddle faddle corn, I'm like, where are we going with this? Fiddle Faddle corn? That was crazy. The guy with the fiddle faddle corn, I was like, what does this have to do with anything? I kept waiting for the fiddle faddle corn guy to be like a mutant. When he asks about scrolls, I was loud on. Or something.

I kept waiting for the fiddle faddle corn. I guess it's supposed to be more meaningful to the guy going out. And I guess Fisk has his new Wesley. because the guy was so loyal and so brave. That's a very important scene and all of that. I don't know the show is good, and this was a good episode, particularly The Punisher stuff was fantastic.

I don't know if the show is doing a good enough job of stringing together the dramatic tension enough for there to be this little daredevil in the show. I kind of softly disagree. I think that the show is definitely entertaining enough and compelling enough to be watched without with very little action because that was kind of the highlight of the Netflix show where like a lot of things happened with without Matt being in the costume for us to be compelled by. Pause, real quick.

That's true. Yeah. But the Netflix show had deep mystery into it. For sure. For sure. Deep intrigue into it. It was doing those things really well in terms of, uh, rocks on and all of that different stuff. And Karen's storyline.

If this show, you guys, is missing Foggy and Karen, guys. It definitely is. It absolutely is. I'm not saying the Daredele's Wack. I'm not saying that at all. This show is missing Foggy and Karen. It is. I think to extend your Premier League metaphor,

when you have Punisher and Matt on screen together, it's kind of like watching Liverpool versus Man City, like these two big clubs going head to head. That's always entertaining. Then you get scenes, at least for me, with like Wilson and Vanessa, and that's like watching, you know, Man City versus Warren Love. I'm like, all right, cool. What am I here for?

Like, this is really done, that's not moving me. The scene with Matt and the fiddle-fat or candy or popcorn guy, I'm like, okay, like, I see the vision, but also like, what is this? Going back and forth about how much he needs to be in jail and all of that. I'm like, how is this going to turn out? Like, what is going to be the thing? And then I understand that him being put in jail led to determination of his benefits. And it just puts.

But at the same time, I'm watching that. I'm like, why are you still in the fiddle fattel? If it's, if it's, if it's. If he's tripping? It's like, what, like, huh? Was he tripping? Because I was just like, like, like, Matt got him a real good deal. A sweetheart deal.

I'm like, hey, bro, Matt's doing like the Lord's work for you. like you I'm sorry if you get caught stealing some fucking popcorn you will fucking whole ass dumbass like come on five boxes I understand come on bro I understand what he's saying he just wants to have the feeling of something good to eat something good I get it yeah I get that but you can't get you can't ask for probation and not to go to jail when you didn't stole five boxes of the fiddle fat and he did 30 days and you just got out like the whole thing just didn't lay with me. I'm like... Right. And it's... The bigger thing for me was how does this help Matt? Like, what does this? Because it's a one thing if like

he takes that and then goes, you know what? Maybe I have to do better. I have to learn something from this. And I didn't feel that when that happened. And I think that this is probably what the show is attempting to do and like is kind of nailing it or kind of working. And this is more of a thematic exercise. Obviously, when contrasted with Fisk and Matt,

they're working within systems that are like supposed to be making them better men and working to the decency that they kind of aspire to be. Fisk is trying to get all the things that he wants done, but there's like layers upon layers of bureaucracy that are stopping him, along with the things that are in his marriage where he can't openly admit to the fact that he's kind of the same person while adapting to change. Like he'll deflect and put things on Vanessa or he'll like make things less about himself and more about the things that are pushing against him. The accountability isn't there. Whereas Matt is like, okay, I'm doing literally

everything I can for this guy to get the bare minimum of time that he could possibly get sweet talking every lawyer that's around him which by the way that was like kind of awesome like the chemistry that he had with that one lawyer. He went on too long. He's such a slut though.

But it was too easy. Yeah. It was too easy. It was too easy for him, bro. That was just like pull up Hezi Jimbo from KD brother like every shot is light. Yeah. He just gets in there. Oh yeah, I smell that. cake on you Lafayette Independence

that is. Honey cake is nuts. Long story long, it's the fact that Matt's clearly at his wits end, both with losing Hector, overall thinking about Foggy, and he still can't even get this one guy off the street for too long without having

to be pushed up against something that's going to be weighing him down. It's a bit of nerd. It is a bit of nerd. I understand. I understand. Matt is feeling constrained by the system so then he's going to work outside of system. I get it. Even in the end, the conversation with the Punisher is supposed to be the thing that pushes him over the line in terms of like what he's going to do. This is what I would say.

Foggy should have been in the show more than one episode. We should have re-gotten a no Foggy for two episodes and then Foggy dies in three or four or Foggy dies at the end of this nine episode arc. And the reason why I say that is because they're asking us to do a lot of work to remember foggy. And when Matt breaks down at the end of it, we just haven't been reinitiated with foggy enough, but that's saying they hit the way that it does. I think you're supposed to just be like,

man, remember those three seasons on Netflix? And that's the thing. And we're the people that do remember those three seasons on Netflix. Charles, are you going to, are you playing the podcast today or what? Are you going to say something? I'm not trying to fucking interrupt, y'all. We're fucking cooking. God, damn. Get off the fucking fiddle fattle. Did you watch the episode?

I did. I was a, damn. I do agree with Van. Part of, I think the issue is for them to tell a compelling story about the system, they need to care about more of the people in their stories. Like when Hector's niece comes in, they don't do enough to really set up the character. It's just another plot point for Matt Murdoch to be like, the system doesn't work. And then the fiddle fattel, man, I'm like, we didn't even, unless I'm misremembering it,

We just see him on the corner. We don't actually see any of his life. Everything is just being told to us. And it doesn't feel, it's not like the wire. When you're watching the wire, you go into the school, you go into the newspapers. You see the normal people that the system is crushing. But the wire also used to do this. I don't want to compare the show to the wire, but it's funny that you brought that up.

The wire would start off with the character that you have never seen before, that you have no idea who the character is. Yeah. Like you have no idea who the character is. and like, or Omar would just be looking or whatever. And then over the course of a couple of scenes, you start to see who that person is. Cutty, for example.

Cutty, for example. And he just showed up one day, like, getting out of prison. I'm like, I've never seen it before. And he's a slice of life like a cornerstone of the show. But then Cuddy goes to his grandmother's house. Then you see Cuddy is in the old suit, trying to go visit his old flame. Then you see Cuddy trying to get the bag of dope.

I'm not saying that they had time to do all of that with the Philippines. Fettle, man. I'm just saying that, like, that's supposed to mean something. And I don't think the show is doing a tremendous job of making those stakes really matter. Right. It's very redemptive when we see Frank and Matt Cook together

in, like, kind of wallowing in that guilt and kind of getting that, like, you're not here for redemption. You're here for my permission type of conversation. Like, that's a very weighty and a very good mirror to that conversation that they had in season two of the Netflix show. when they were on the rooftop. All of that context aside,

that in a vacuum kind of feels a little weightless. Yes, John Bernthal is incredibly intense and, like, made for this role, and he's incredible. But the show kind of feels like stitched together from something that, like, is not really connecting on a whole. Do we need to see Daredevil at this point?

Because I feel like the show. Yeah, we're going to. Like the show is like, we're cooking so much that this show can survive with Matt being out of the suit without Karen being there, without Foggy being there. Honestly, without a villain,

we don't even see Mews until, like, the last little bit. What is there for Matt to really fucking do? And by the way, fight the system. We see Mews in the last little bit. But, like, I was watching with Kalika. Calica goes, well, who is that? Exactly.

And that's fine to introduce. But shouldn't there be? be a sense of ominous danger that somebody is killing people and then painting with them? Shouldn't we, shouldn't, we see Muse, and we know who Muse is supposed to be, but shouldn't these three episodes have established beyond the one scene with the psychiatrist or with Matt's girlfriend, beyond that, that there is a serial killer in Hale's Kitchen who is killing people and people are scared and all of that stuff that those the BB reports and all of that

shouldn't be people be talking about the fact that they're afraid to walk their streets at night because somebody is killing people like they're just giving us the character and I'm not saying the show is it good I'm just saying that like the show is asking a lot of us. It's asking us to be like you love these people so just watch. Exactly

exactly I mean I mean the show is correct in that when I was getting antsy the minute Punisher shows up I just, like, I forget about it because I'm just like, I love these characters, there's a nostalgia factor.

They're just not doing, I think, a good enough job really proving why I should trust Disney Plus's version of this. And I know that sounds so harsh. But it's like, all of the good things about this show are leaning on the nostalgia of the Netflix show, which, if that was the case, you shouldn't have done Daredevil Born again. You should have just done a four season.

I don't, I think the Born part of it is what we're talking about. The born again part of it, look, I come from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, right? I know a lot of people that were born again. And my father sometimes would be like, I think you still got a couple of more months left in your birth. He would be like, nah, you're not born again. You have about seven months.

You have about six months. My dad would say that to people all the time because they would come out and they would say I'm a born again Christian and then you'll see him. throwing Hennessy bottles and doing all kinds of shit like that, going nuts. And my dad would be like, you're not quite born again. You had about six months. You had about five months. Your third trimester or whatever.

And I think that this show is not quite rebirthing daredevil. I think that's the point, though. Right? I think the show's literal, right? Born again is in like Daredevil's coming back, born again. But both Fisk and Matt are trying to be born again, right? Matt not being Daredevil and Fiss trying to go clean. But we see at the end of the episode, they're both not quite there.

Fiss got Adam locked up in the cage, crazy. And then Matt went out there and did the little stuff they're practicing, you know. So they're not born again. They're not born again. They want to be as much as they want to be fixed. But the name of the show should be Daredevil, Roe versus Wade. Okay. Okay.

No, no, no. Explain that one. That's insane, but explain it. Because they're not born again. All right. He's sliced alive. I apologize. All right, going to Adam, I have to ask you this question.

I thought it was funny. When his wife was like, hey, yo, my man had the hands. And she starts going in, I'm like, I would crash out too. I'd fucking crash up. Yeah, no, that's a nuts thing to say in therapy. His hands were soft? All right, bro. All right, man.

Yeah, nah. That was crazy. She was, you can see. She was like, have you ever been around girl? She's like just starts looking up. She was remembering him cracking at. No. But

Da-me, don't you. Don't be safe out there. No, yeah. But what do you think he was doing with the hands? I don't need to know. He probably saw him. He was going to work. Yeah, he was going to work.

He was all up in the one. He's a painter, right? He's a painter, you know. Oh, so he had skills with the hands. Which, by the way, great little Easter egg there with the white painting with the blood splatter on it. Yeah, it was great. That was like, I like that a lot. That was really, really good.

So Fis has him in a lot. a layer where he's, and look, even Fisk eating the gigantic meal. Every other time we've seen him eat, he's been eating very responsibly. He's been eating whatever. He's lost a lot of weight, but he's still got that appetite for violence and carnage. And he was eating them big-ass glizzies watching that guy. It looked delicious. It looked like a delicious meal.

Yeah, good red sauce probably. Yeah, you like that, huh? And so he was, so like all of that stuff, I get it. and I'm not saying it's not working, but I think there's a, that the show hasn't gotten to yet. It's a weird kind of meta-committerate. I'm like,

you feel like there's another gear that the show could be in. That is just holding itself back from it. Put on the suit and start fighting people. Like, that's what we're really talking about. Maybe. That's exactly what we're talking about. Because, again, the show works the best when Matt is faced with his own hypocrisies and his, like, his mental state, again,

that scene with, I think we'll talk about it more in depth, that seemed with Punisher and Matt so important. He's like, I can smell the good off you, bro. Like, I know that you know you're not doing enough to avenge foggy. And yet here you are trying to get, trying to make me look like the dummy. Nah, bro, that's not going to work. The same thing that happened in episode one with Fisk and Matt, the same thing that happened in this episode with Punisher and Matt.

Once Matt is confronted with who he has to be order to make things happen, and he shies away from that, is when the show is at its best. It's not doing that. It kind of leaves a little bit to be desired. Did they do a good enough job setting up Punisher? Because I think that scene was amazing. But I was like, I'm like, how does Matt know?

Like, obviously he sees the bullet. How does he know where Frank Castle is? I guess Frank Castle is hunting down these police officers, but how long has he been doing that? How much does he know? It seems like Punisher is like, it's your job, Daredevil. And I'm like, motherfucker, they got your emblem on. What are you talking about?

I genuinely, like, as great as that scene was, it felt like it came out of nowhere because I'm like, oh, he's just like walking down into like a basement somewhere and you're like, I guess something's gonna happen. I'm like, oh, he knows where Frank is and he's just chilling out. I don't think he really cares that much

about the cops using his stuff. Nobody in Marvel television history has been fucked over more than White Tiger. Matt can fucking finish with White Tiger. I mean, yeah. Like White Tiger got domed and out of his head. White Tiger, I thought that Matt was going to use the bullet casing

to try to find out what happened to him. He killed White Tiger. Matt went right from White Tiger to the fiddle fattel, nigga. And now he is taking, so I thought he was going to, no, he wasn't trying to find out nothing about White Tiger. He finds the Punisher. And we don't hear nothing else about it. I thought that White Tiger was going to, the killing of White Tiger was going to open to show up

for us to investigate these cops and for them to become... Right. And maybe it still will happen. I think it will. But they certainly took a break from that when the last show ends with the murder of another character that we are supposed to care about. I think it will because they have that conversation when he, once he's done talking to the fiddle-fettle guy and they have the conversation with the other cop and he's like,

yo, your homie, I know you killed my homie. And he's like, no, I did it. My dad, my brothers, my cousins, this and that. and he hears heartbeat and he's telling the truth. He's telling the truth. So he's like, oh, this got nothing to do with it. I think we'll get back to that at some point. I mean, if I'm being real, Matt ain't shit.

First of all, you lost Hector. You should be a little bit more sad. He's shooting his shot with Miss Honeycakes. He's, you know, going back, having sex with a girlfriend. I'm like, be a little bit more torn up. Be a little bit more depressed. Go to church. You effectively got him killed, by the way.

We haven't seen Matt go to church one fucking time in his whole ass shit. Well, you looked at the church. Look at the church. He looked at the church. He thought about it. If you're born again, to Vance point, if you born again, like, I need you to put on some water, have some wafers, bro. I'm going to tell you how fiddled nigger made me feel like a Republican.

I'm not on his side. I'm not like, I get it. He was pissing me off. I know he wanted to just taste the sweet taste of the popcorn. But, bro, you stole four boxes of the fiddle fattel. You got to. And you're already down. You got to sit your ass down.

Matt was like, bro, I got you. six days in jail, man. She won it. They were giving you 30. I got you six. Just take the plea and go. He's like, nah, man. Probation, I'm like, brother, you just got a gift. Your bad was like, what? Ten days

was a heaven send. Six days is a treasure, bro. Take it. Also, if I'm being real, if that's my nigga, I'm like, you got caught ten times already. Ten times! Like, sit your ass down, bro. Like, I'm sorry. I don't want any of my men locked out, but he kind of seemed like he's a dumb

ass. If I'm being real. He got a He played for the fiddle final last week. He played for the fiddle final last week. Not how it works, man. Yeah. It's definitely not how it works. Also, can we be real? And he was an asshole.

He was very entitled. He was, I'm telling you, he, we, fiddle fattel guy didn't make. We sound like Trump voters. I don't fucking care, bro. I stop stopping right now. Brum Fiddle faddle guy. He just logged in and he's just like, I got him now.

Bro, fiddle faddle faddle guy didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't meet the mark, bro. Fiddle Faddle guy was talking to Matt like Matt was his. He was, he was, he was the ablest. Fiddle fattel. He was ableist. He was talking to him. He was talking down to Matt.

He didn't have enough respect. I'd have told him, bitch. Do 45 in there. See if you get some fiddle fat on side. What the fuck are you talking to? I have a question, though. If there is a dessert, because I'm not going to jail, like if I got to steal some shit, it got to be top level dessert.

You know what I'm saying? What is the dessert where you will actually be like, all right, I'll do five days in jail. Y'all call me. So let me tell you the reason why there's no dessert, okay? And it's because of my friend Isaac. Okay. Oh, right. All right.

Well, make sure that this isn't. Yeah. Make sure you don't got an open case on it. So shout out to my friend Isaac. I think I told this story before. I think I told this story before. Okay. So we used to play basketball, L.A. Fitness, Hollywood.

But, man, Isaac, great guy. Great dude. You know, fantastic dude, man, great guy. One day, Isaac hadn't been around in a while. And he comes up to me and he goes, you know, I always had to go to Twin Towers for a little while. He had to go to the county. And let me tell you how great of a guy Isaac is.

Isaac comes up to me and he's not no hole, not no punk, far from it, the other side of it, right? But he wanted to let me know that he wasn't Mexican, but he was Latino. And while he was in there, he had to join the Mexican gang. And they had to do actions or be in fights against the black guys.

And Isaac wanted to come over to me and talk to me about it because he wanted to let me know that he had no choice. Once I realized that when you go to jail in L.A., you immediately have to join the gang that same day, I got my license fixed.

You know what I mean? I went and took out of all of my stuff. I swear to God, but I don't want to join the set. That's for Big Cove, Lindberg. That's for Limburg. I don't want to join the set. Honestly, I had to, when I got down, I had to check in with Limburg. He like, hey, yo, it took you a little long.

Like, Big Cud, Limburg. You got to go to Cookland, you know what I'm saying? So I don't want to. There's no dessert. I can think about that is worth. A Monday through Friday? Nah. You can't do a five-day bid?

I don't want to go, bro. Because I don't know how people feel about me in there. Maybe I've talked, you know, I don't want to go. I don't want to go to jail. What if it's reversed? You get out and then you get that dessert infinitely. What you mean? So, like, if you go to do a five-day bid,

then from then on, you can just get whatever dessert you want anytime you want. Y'all haven't seen Fleece Johnson. Y'all don't know who that is. Y'all go look up Fleece Johnson and tell me if you want to go do some chime in jail over some motherfuck TikToks and people in jail. Over some motherfuckering. fiddle fattle. I'm not going. Chuck, what do you want to go and join the game for

and have to shake people and do a thousand push-ups and do all that dumb ass shit? All right, all right. You know my licekin ass ain't last in the fucking prison, bro. They like, dog, he's like, they, uh, no. Now that you said it, I'm not last-in-law. You too pretty for jail? Hell yeah.

I think it is. Who at the ringer would run the yard? Riscilla. Riscilla. Rissillo. Like, Ricillo got that role. Ricillo and Sails. But Ricillo would definitely run the yard.

Oh, you know, Justin Sails? Justin Sails. Dude got that. Like, Justin is going to be the person. He's like, oh, what you need? You need six? Yeah. You know, you need some ramen packs.

Yeah, he's the Kinect. Justice's the connect. Connect. But Rousillo is essentially the dude from shot caller. Rissillo will be in there. Ryan Yote. No, he big boss. That's what I'm saying.

Ryan. He been a dude. He's been a dude. We got the generals around the table. Fresh meat come in, you're like, hey. Brian out there analyzing the basketball games while people are playing. He's analyzing the sports.

He's like, honestly, also, low-key, if it's not Rosillo, Amanda Dobbin, she from Atlanta, she don't play. Like, I feel like she... Movie Mom? You know, she was in... I would not want to mess. You think Movie Mom got it like that?

She does, she did tell me about Lennox Mall. Yeah, if you survive Lennox Mall, I feel like you can survive a five-day bill. Yeah. For some reason, last person, These are the three. For some reason, I feel like CR will hold it down. I mean, everybody's going to love Sierra.

I feel like everybody's going to love Sierra. He's running game nine. Yeah. For sure. Wait, wait, wait. But you want to know what I'd be afraid of for CR? I feel like he would be so beloved by the whites. There would just be like a Mexican homie or a black homie being like, I'm sorry,

C.R. I think he can turn around. I think C.R. I think C.R. I think C.R. He cuts the race. He cuts the race. I think he could make peace, bro.

Yeah. I think, yeah. He would go in there and bring everybody together, bro. The Wayne Jenkins, come on, man. Like, it would be, it's a light work. Oh, yeah. What's he do the way? But here's the also the problem.

You know how when, like, a nigga can sing in jail. Everybody wants him to start doing the R. Kelly. Just like, you think they're going to make C.R. do Wayne Jenkins. Like, every five minutes, they're like, oh, do Wayne Jenkins. You got to survive. I'll tell you, you better do Wayne Jenkins, nigga. Or Wayne Jenkins might do you. All right.

All right. That's a lot. Okay. Speaking of Wayne Jenkins, I think we've talked enough about everything leading up to it. Van, how did you feel about Matt, Frank, being reunited? That was obviously, I feel like something that they've probably been waiting to lead up to. In terms of their conversation almost felt like what thematically the show is about,

which is why vigilantes are important, the system being broken in the MCU, obviously whatever. How did you feel like they landed that plane? So the scene was exemplary to me of just how well these guys have a handle on these two characters. When you were watching John Bernthal

and Charlie Gibson, is that his name? No, Charlie Cox. Oh, okay. Wait, where'd you get Charlie Gibson? Where did Charlie Gibson? Who is Charlie Gibson? What is it?

Charlie Gibson is American broadcaster. Charlie Gibson? Where did I get that from? I don't know. Kurt Gibson? Kurt Gibson? Go Dodge a legend. 88.

Charlie Kopson, you're watching them, they just, you're watching Daredevil and Punisher Talk from the pages of a comic book. Yes. They, the vulnerability, the anguish, uh,

Charlie Cox has a complete hold on that. Completely hold on the character. the aggressive anguish, the desperation of the punisher, the single-minded focus of the punisher, the sureness of the punisher, the punisher there's no ambiguity to him. He knows exactly how he needs to change the world and he has made his peace with the demon that he's become.

Watching that, and on the other side of it, watching all of the ambiguity that Matt has inside of him It just completely worked. The scene was a little bit of a surprise. Like came out of nowhere a little bit. Yeah. I don't know if the scene was set up, right? But that scene and that moment were perfectly for me.

What about you guys? Wait, so that would be my question. When Matt sees the skull on the bullet. Sees? Not sees, but, you know, feels it, senses it. Which I was also like, how do you know that this is like the punish or something, whatever? How the fuck does he?

get there? Like, how does he get to Frank Castle's place? He has to know where he's been. Like, he's got to be keeping tabs on him in some way because you don't go through like a secret gate, a courtyard, an elevator, and then like a long hallway, which, by the way, was he like a

super or something? It said manager's office in the door that he was, that he walked in. Like, I don't know what he's doing. Frank was surprised. It was like he hadn't seen Matt in a while. So I'm like, was Matt just like, to your point, just keeping tabs on the homie and just be like, I don't think, I don't think Frank was surprised because he tried to sneak up on Matt. Matt was like, I know you're here.

I can, I can sense you. Right. I think to Steve's point, he probably had some idea of where Frank was the entire time. And just now it's like, all right. Yeah. I got to go roll up. I assume, I mean, the bullet seemed marked with the skull. So I'm sure there was like a, you could feel the difference.

Yeah. Yeah. In the, in the case. And so it's like, this is this, this reminds me of Frank's skull. gotta go see Franks he also on some CSI shit I was like that whole scene was bullshit where it's like he kicks

I kind of like it I loved it he kicks the like glass and he like goes to the gutter and he's like now I found the casing I'm like come on man it's like prom psych Sean Spencer yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm like seeing thing I love it. I thought it would lead to the finding

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Like, that's ain't your man. Yon think that Daddy Yankee performed. What are you? Stop. What's wrong with you? What is wrong with you? No. Be for real.

No. What? What? What? What? Why? Because White Tiger. Nah, bro.

We can't. We got a co-signed in this. What? No. Because White Tiger is a, hold on for a second. First of all, white tiger is a pillow in the boardy community in the Puerto Rican community.

A pillow? A pillar? A pillow? I apologize. A pillow. A pillow is crazy. So he's a pillar. A pillow because they be laying on him. That's crazy. So he's a pillar. They be sleeping on them. That's why. He's a pillar in the Puerto Rican community. He got fighting skills like a pillow. So I'm wondering if Nina Sky and, you know, Mr. 305, Pittsburgh, Jennifer Lopez, like, who showed up? Jenny from the block showing up is crazy.

But see, that's a scene they should have had in there. And then still nobody knew her. They should have had the funeral. And then all of a sudden it should have been like, gasoline. I'm very clear. You can I? We do not endorse his takes.

Yo, what if, because he was like a hero, what if J-Lo shows up to the funeral and she turns to bay? And it's the OG Daredevil, Ben Affleck. See? Come on. See? Multi-verse.

bitch? Like, that could that works. He's at the thing and all of a sudden he doesn't know, he's, you know, he's hearing. And then Charlie Cox is like, oh my God. And then he's like, oh. And then that dare, daredevil it off. That is a nitpick.

It's a daredevil of Mickey 17. Yeah. See, this is the shit because y'all are drunk with power. Right. So because you guys are drunk with power, you no longer have the ability to think outside the box. Of course. Right. Great on woke. So what we're talking about right now,

I'm back on woke. Oh, you're back on woke. I'm back on woke. What brought you to wait. Also, can I just say because I can see you guys on the screen. It is a little, you know how I can tell them men boys are drunk with power. Jomey is so far away from fucking van. Like, it's crazy. But no, this is the space you leave without us, Chuck. This is the hole that you leave. The drunk with power. No, no, no. Jomey could have been in the middle. You know what I'm saying? He could have been like a friend. But, but But Mint Boys get one Jack Wade interview and all of a sudden... Well, it's not one Jack Wade interview.

We also talk to Stephen Young, Gileon, J.C. With... Drunk with fucking power. You know, it's funny, I could rain on y'all little power parade right now. You could. By talking about how many people are pissed off that the Midnight Boys aren't covering Invincible. And whose fault is that? It's not my fault is his fault.

Well, we covered it. Like, it's like... My fault is his fault. It's your fault. They have been... Charles's job. Let's go back. Hey, we're beating the streets out here, all right?

To his credit, they was on your Twitter like, hey, man. Where's Invisible? It's like, yo, men boys covering it. They're like, actually, we don't want the F team on it. Yeah. That's bullshit. Don't give no, that's bullshit that he said that. But only one person said that.

The coverage is fucking fine. I'm joking. Yeah, only one person said that. People have not been saying that. They just wonder, they're blaming Chuck. Wait, why are they blaming me? They're blaming Chuck. It's your fault.

Everybody pointed Chuck. as for the reason as to why we didn't cover Invincible. Chuck, do you feel in a way? Do you feel away? I'm about to crash out. Like home girl on the breakfast globe.

Why are you not defending me? Anyway, man, I did defend you. I defended you a couple of days ago. I saw that. Somebody tried to come in my dog. I did defend you. Like, I did defend you. That was nasty work.

Now we stand together. Now, the mad furniture scene, like you mentioned, that's the... We do. Right. We love each other. What's wrong with that? What's so funny? Check the call backlogs.

No. Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. No, that scene is the crux of the episode. And I think the thing that made it, like, all the more special was the fact that we hadn't seen, like, John... I think it was on Tuesday when the episode aired, that was, I think, like, the ninth anniversary of... of John Burnfield making his debut as The Punisher. Oh, wow.

In The Daredevil Season 2. So it's like a whole full-circour moment. And, like, we've all said it. He's just got a complete hold on the character. And so him and Matt interacting, like, that just emotional gut punch of talking about hearing his son every time he goes outside. It's just, it was just magic. And that's what to show. That's when you see that, when you see that scene over and then you think about the rest of it, like,

Dang, man, if we just... That's it. And that's the slight problem that I could ever have with the scene. Like, to me, it's a nine out of ten for how well-acted and well-executed, the emotion of it. But as far as what each character is kind of there to do for each other to advance this plot, I feel like it kind of fell short, because again, we're kind of here to actually figure out who killed Hector and investigating the cops that are taking up the Punisher's name to do all these things and making this weird cult. And that's not...

Wait, so can I ask you guys... Have you guys saw the quote from Bernthal on Entertainment Weekly? When he was like, ultimately, I didn't see it. I didn't see the version of Frank and what they wanted from Frank really making sense to me. And I thought I would not appeal to the fans

and want to be congruent. It was not something I was really interested in doing. So we had to walk away. My question, does this episode feel like it shoehorned in? That punisher moment because they had to basically do reshoots so we didn't get a bunch of,

of like lead up. It was basically like, yo, we got Bernthal. We have to basically make it work. But once again, they are banking on the fact

that all the momentum from the last series is carrying over. Right. They're like, we don't have to, like, do any of the stuff

where we introduced to Punisher or anything like that. It's like, we can pop him back up and you guys remember and it's the same thing. And it's not that that doesn't make any sense.

It's, that they would think that. It's just that it's not 100% working that way. You guys, people are going to talk about the fact that we're, you know, nitpicking and maybe pulling the show apart. The show is good. Yeah. I'm just saying I wouldn't be keeping the real on here if I didn't say, hey, I looked at

the show kind of like, huh, all right. Like, some of the cues that I'm, like, supposed to be investing into, maybe I'm not quite that investing into. And the show is fucking missing, fogging, and care. It's a family show. Is it missing Foggy and Karen more than it's missing Daredevil? It's missing Foggy, Karen, and Daredevil. And Turk or Wendell.

Yeah, which is, right? My question is, do you guys, why do you think we're seeing so little of Daredevil? Not from a story perspective. Were they trying to save money? Or are they trying to... They're trying to tell a different story. They're trying to tell a different story.

Remember, like, they watched the first six episodes. There was no Daredeo of it. it was like a procedure procedural the whole thing and so there's probably not a ton of daredevil footage frankly right and so i guess but we're four episodes in hopefully we get some on the back half but remember there was basically none outside of that that first uh that first scene really so but here's a thing even even if i'm at the upper echelons of mc u my first question would be we haven't seen daredevil in the classic suit in forever. Why do you think you could go

six, seven, eight episodes banking on the fact that people are just like, yeah, I'm here for the ride. I almost think people are, their appetite to see Daredevil, fight. Like, perfect example, bull's eye. Was it smart to dispatch a bullseye

within the first 15 minutes of the season? Kind of. We've been waiting so long? I would say yes, only because the fact that that was clearly added after the fact and knowing that the things that they were trying to do with this first version of the story that they were telling

either wasn't working or was unanimously like the actors involved or the people involved were like, we can't go this long or we can't start this without any sort of backlog of what it is. So I liked, for the dramatic like push that that scene gave, I liked that. I don't think that it's clear that now that this is kind of just like the

shoved in bookend for what they're trying to do of this story going forward, rather than kind of like picking up this story whole cloth. I still don't know if it entirely works with the stitching that they're making it, but they are just cashing in on a lot of very, very well-invested goodwill that we've had for those first three seasons to kind of push us forward to the story that they want to tell. Which I think that kind of begins now. Yeah. It kind of starts now.

What do you think, Chuck? I think it kind of, I think this episode is, if you're looking at three episode tranches, this is the first episode of the second part of it since it's nine, right? It's nine, nine, nine. So I think they're kind of starting now. And probably the show will be, hopefully the show will have a little bit more stakes and a little deeper kinetic energy moving forward, you know? I mean, to your guy's point, like, I did not hate this episode.

I actually, there were moments where I was really entertained. Like, I was just like, I see the potential. potential, and I see how this could have been a lot worse. So I was less like, the episode was good. I think what maybe we're bumping on is that I see the version of this that was great. Right. And there's so much greatness in there that I think just the other stuff kind of, yeah, weighs it down a little.

Kerm. Kerm, are you there? Kerr, what's up? Can you beatbox? Right now? Yeah, you know how to do it? A little dance break, guys. Come on.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Midnight boys. Midnight boys. It's the midnight boy. We're a midnight boy. It's the midnight boy.

It's the midnight boy. We're a midnight boy. The devil in this ditch and it's time for danger. That's it. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Nice.

That's good. A little dance break. A little vibe reset. Like we're going to just reset the vibe. You know, we're talking about it. Chuck, Chuck in New York, Chuck. You living it up? You feeling yourself back in your home?

Yo, shout out. I met a private investigator last night. What? That was great. Oh, how was we going to talk about? Yeah, hey. Listen, that's crazy, actually. What?

You want to get into it? Did they meet you? Did you have to answer questions? Whoa, shout out my man Patrick Kaufman. You know what I'm saying? Crime novelist got a new book out. He's a private investigator. He was telling me a B.

What? What? This guy. You know what I mean? Excuse you? I don't know if I actually beep that out. No. That was the name of the man.

But he was like breaking down how he has to like search for people and shit. You know, how much is like too little for snitches, all this shit. My man has a new book out, Patrick Hoffman, go cop that shit. Yeah, he was great. And also woke up at 8 a.m. to watch some freaky Ziki interview videos. I'm like New York to the core. Freaky Ziki.

Shout out to the dipset. The dip set, just to be honest with you, the true life, they could have also been. Oh, God. At White Tiger's funeral. White Tiger. That could have been at, like, Juel Santana. Jewel Santana. This could have brought Cam and Jim back together.

You guys, you guys don't understand. Maybe they'll do it next episode. Okay, well, White Tiger is, I watched a variant comics video. Shout out to variant comics, by the way. Oh, I got new YouTube. Shout out to Varian Comics. Shout out to Rennie's, Rennie's Holocron. Okay.

And some of the lore videos that they've been doing, that guy is great. Because he puts the lore videos and then he puts this like really soothing music on behind them. I learned all about. Yeah, I learned all about Star Killer, whatever. I don't care. Oh, let's Star Killer. I don't, Joe Me, I don't give a fuck. You can't get on me about the lore videos, Johnny.

The lore videos are the problem. I love YouTube niches. I love those. The lore videos are crazy. But really quick, going back to the diplomats, if we were, what rap group would we be in the ringer? Huh? What rap group? Because we probably be the diplomats in the ring

are always arguing. Can we be the dipset? Wait, so what's like, what's like, what's big picture? Who's Bill? Um,

okay, so Bill would be Jay Z. Okay. Right. Uh, big pick would be like Alcass. Okay. Okay.

Okay, okay. Okay, I can see that. I can see that. Wait, then, House of R. Who's house? Ooh. Salt and pepper.

Salt and pepper. Hell yeah. Yes. Hell yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nope. No. They're the city girls.

House of our is not the city girls. House of all the city girls. House of all the city girls, man. Come on. No. No. No. House of all the city girls.

No, man. Don't do that. I feel like, no, actually, we might be more Wu-Tang. Because we got so many. We probably, we probably, we'd be 20 more members, though. Wait, who's Steve then? Probably, you don't. Probably you got.

You got it. No, Steve's not you. Can't tell y'all something? And let me just say this real quick. Because I'm from that era. Niggas, this you got, you got is an amazing rapper.

You got is an amazing rapper. You got is fantastic. By the time they got to you, God, it was like... They had a lot of niggas. They had a lot of niggas. They had a lot of niggas. So by the time,

but you got put out a book, the book was great. You God's a great rapper, man. Alea, Alea probably are Riza. Yeah, Alia's really Rizza. Drunk with power? Like,

Lindbergh Shug Knight. Like drunk with, drunk with power to hold nine, Alaya's definitely our Rizza. Wait that. Who are you? All right.

Who am I? Yeah, you let that slide. All right. Either ghost face or method man? Or you'll probably be Rayquan. He's definitely Rayquan. I'm Rayquan.

Yeah, you're Rayquorn. Yeah. Definitely. You're a ghost face or method man. I don't really have the pecks to be method man. I got titty. So, um.

That's true. That can't really be, I don't think we have a method man, you know? I'm probably like, I'm probably a ghost face, pretty Tony. Wait, then who's Jonah? Tony Stark.

Giza. He's an explainer. Perpredicular to the square. Ooh, yeah. Boy, shout out. We listened to the Wu-Tang, and he said, like, perpendicular to the square. And then Gibral would stop it.

And he would be like, do you know what that means? I would be like, bro, shut the fuck up, man. Dude, you know what that means? I'll be like, bro, shut the fuck up. You can't be. Do you understand what he's trying to say? You're not hearing him. My boy Jabrille moved away.

And then he came back and started explaining rap lyrics to all of us in Louisiana. Like, we were fucking stupid. Well, dude, he moved to Oakland. He moved to Oakland. Yeah. Yeah. And he came back and he tried to explain rap lyrics to it. West Coast rap lyrics to him.

He's coming back and explaining rap lyrics on and putting RAS cars on and like putting comment on, even. back then? He's putting common on the early common. The early common. See y'all niggas no comment from Kanye on. He's common. No,

no, no, I know comments. And he's putting on the early common like, you know, pause. Can y'all niggas get into this? Or is it all about back that ass up? I'm like, bro, if you don't get your dumb ass out, you're scaring these fucking girls. They bought the, like, look,

we ain't trying to listen to that shit right now, bro. We listen to that shit later. He's turning to no limit off. Be like, yeah, you're trying to have to MF Doom? I'm like, nigger. fucking BG and all in it. That's the shit we listen to.

We listen to that motherfucking 504. No, the truth. We listen to bounce that ass, bounce that. That's what we're trying to hear. Freak holes. Freak holes. That's making these. Touch your elbows.

Stop. Hold on. Hey, bro. Let's put on that brass cast. So on ice. If you don't get the fuck out of here with that shit, dear, if you don't get to, if you don't get the fuck out of here with that shit,

You know? But look, we listen to all of that music, bro. We listen to all of that music. But that's time and place. It's fucking amazing. All of the music, Jabrilla was putting us on. Fucking amazing. We listen to it all the time.

Time and a place, though. Because I sound like Drake right now. We listen to all of that music. But, like, when we all over there and we're chilling, and, you know, we got some arched deluxe from McDonald's and all of that shit. And we sound to, nigga, we ain't trying to hear that motherfucking, that shit, bro. Anyway, that's always There's always one in the crew,

especially when I was in college, I'm like, bro, we all love to pimp a butterfly. Don't put this shit on. See, I wasn't going to say nothing. I was going to say nothing. Hey, to pimp a butterfly, it's amazing. But, like, you can't play that, bro. You can't.

Okay, so look, bro, to Pimper Butterfly is amazing. Yes. But like, you know, you can't run on the treadmill to how much a dollar costs. It's just not the right. You know what I'm saying?

You can't have the beat stopping me. I remember you were conflicting. You know what I'm saying? You can't do that. Steve, Steve. Yeah, be careful. I like, Steve, that's crazy, bro. But it's different music.

That's what I'm saying. Everybody's talking about this stuff. There's different music for different stuff. Kids have got plenty of songs that you can do that too. But Tipinu Bluffly have a different album. You know, if you had a cool kickback and everybody just chilling and everybody talking and we're sharing information and we're doing all that stuff, man, put on that To Beepa Butterfly.

It's a brilliant hip-hop album, right? I prefer a good kid Matt City. Who doesn't? But a roller stone. But put on to the stuff. to Biff a butterfly. But, like, if it's time to, like, then it's like, I need a hot girl.

You got to bomb for the time when they're taking it a bend. Break it down, take it down. The me and the friend. Bigger they bounce on, right, work that thing to the right. That's what we're putting on, you know? Man, I like that. You try to explain, I piss my, he pissed me off. He pissed me off trying to explain jizzing to me.

I know what it means. Like silver back orangutans. Pause. Do you know what he's saying? Silver back orangutains. There's no such thing. Shut the fuck. Fuck up.

But here's the thing you saw all day didn't have rap genius back then. They didn't. Use your rap G's. They didn't. We had to go on the internet to figure out what cannabis was trying to say. Like,

not cannabis. We had to go on the internet. We had to go on the message boards to figure out what these niggas was trying to say. Chino X-X-L, rest in peace. Anyway, I don't know how we got off on that. By the way, I know that that was bombs over Baghdad and not Wu-Tang.

So y'all go, that's not Wu-Tang? Whatever. Niggers try to explain. not dumb. Of course not. Seems like you don't believe that, Jummy. It's hurtful.

All right. That's enough. No more podcast, bro. Wait, hold on. What? We got to talk about Daniel Blake and Fisk, man. Daniel Blake sold. Well, so we're, like, I think the big thing in the episode was Fiske reaffirming his, like,

respect in Daniel Blake. He made a mistake and how much Daniel Blake believes in. Fisk, but I don't think that's the most important thing that happened with Daniel Blake in this episode. I think what we really need to talk about, aside from, you know, the Latvian, or everybody singing, we built this city in English and in Latvian, which I thought was interesting. That's funny. Daniel Blake, you need to lock it.

Not about Fisk and the port, not about- About-Bee-Bee-Bee. Brother. About B-Bee-Bee. You got this beautiful woman. Lo, let's get some drinks. Yo, let's go out to you. She's hang out. Maybe.

She's a user. Wait, I thought, wait, BB's not a lesbian? Or bot? Is she? Is she? I thought, that wasn't her girl? At what point? Who was BB? Was that BB's her friend?

I thought it was her home girl. Oh, it's her home girl. I didn't know. I didn't know. I was lit watching it last night. I fell asleep. So I don't know. Regardless, beautiful black woman is like, hey, take a cup of drinks, hang out.

And I was go get some food. you like, I got work in the morning? Tell me, shut up. What happened to shame? Tell me, you had a girl over. And you put on fucking Asians to shoot. And guess what? I learned from that experience.

Which is like a D for a cheesy act. A D Afro-TZiac. A D. But you got in the shame. A deasy. Like, you. Wait, what are actually, what are the TV shows that are an anti-Afro-DGF where you put it on and be like, bro?

Brother, adolescence. Oh, my God. Brow. You know, I'm talking about it. Well, I watch this. Adolescence makes it makes this look like a power range. Bro, I wanted to go adopt some children. I want to teach young men the right way.

Adolescence fucking destroyed me. I'm not locked there. People keep saying it's really sad. Honestly, you got to tell, you got to tell our friend of the pod, Anthony Mackie, to raise these men right. He's trying to tell us. That adolescent shit wouldn't happen with him. See how you brought him up out of nowhere?

What? They got, what? I'm saying. See how you brought up on a moor? Yeah. Adolescence wouldn't happen. What he said was completely okay. except for some of it.

But like, we, it except for us. Did you attack him out of nowhere? It's a bee. That wasn't of me attacking him. That wasn't an attack.

Attack. We need more black fathers. Adolescence was crazy. And that's one of them that you, that's a D. Such a good show. What's a show that you would put on if you have a young lady over?

Like, if BB and what's his name, Dylan? Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. Daniel. If BB and Daniel are trying to, You know, if Daniel's like, you know, Netflix and Chill, Netflix and Chill, Netflix and Chill,

if you're coming over there and it's a show that you're putting on to try to establish a... Is that the mood? Well, not even set the mood, but just a cool show. So there's a difference between like a Netflix and Chill show or like something to set it off? Yeah. Well, you don't want to...

Because, like, New Girl, that's Netflix and Chill. Well, Netflix and Chill is sex. Yes, but you know... Yeah, but I mean, it's the order of operations. I know, but what I'm saying is... Something you could ignore. It's twofold because if you know what the deal is, you can put on anything, right? If you already know what the vibe is.

You can put anything. Mip boys, you dirty-ass, man, dude. We're awesome. We're awesome. I don't know what you're talking about. I mean. I think New Girl, I think Gossip Girl, Gilmore Girls. Right.

I'm telling you all something, don't hate on cult documentaries. Colt documentaries? You know what? You could be right. Oh, Cosmos. Don't hate on cult documentaries because the cult documentaries are always like, They invoke a lot of emotion. You just got to make sure that it's not too much of a bummer.

Yeah, don't want to be too much of a bummer, but there's always like a sexual component to it called document. In college, we had the, you would turn the lights off. We had these Christmas lights that we hung up all year. So we turned the lights off, put the Christmas lights on, put on Cosmos. Talking about Neil deGrasse Tyson. Do you also, like, put like those little glow in the dark stars on your ceiling? Not in the living room.

That's your move, Joe, me? That was the move when I was 18. Honestly, I'm sorry, Jome That's nasty When I was 18 When I was old This is crazy Hey girl

In 2014 Hey girl Oh Hey Well I'll learn about black holes Because I'm trying to see Yeah All right

I'm trying to see what's up You know what I'm saying I got a quasar for you Bitch You got this monkey Batting Andrew was crazy I was show hair Tony In that thing

I bet you were In that thing It was working It worked Alea is here. You guys, it's so disrespectful. This whole thing. Alea drunk with power.

She's going to HR. All right. It's Women's History Month, by the way. Absolutely it is. And you guys are ruining it for me. Hold on for a second. Speaking to that, Alea, first of all,

First of all, just let me say. Why do you put your hands up? Like you got talking about it was a man. Now, let me be clear. Just let me say. Happy and a minute. National women.

Let him be the first. Elite reference. Let me say. Boy, that's the funniest brawn clip ever. It's got to be like, it's top two. It's just funny because Jeannie and who was the other lady? They would think it was Linda Rambus. So, Jeannie and.

Now, let me say. Why did he do that? Why did he do that? Let me just say, brawny crazy, bro. Brond. Bro. I love LeBron James. LeBron James gives you so much content.

Do you love LeBron enough to make a song about him? Play it. We can't play. We can't play. We can't play no more. No. We got to go. We just bullshit at this point.

We are awesome. Good show. This week on the Ring of Versfeet, Thursday, House of Our Daredevil Boarding game on Friday. Mid-Edition taps in with Harley Quinn and Looney Tunes. On Monday, Midnight Boys are back talking severance. Our producers are Alea, S-O-B-Z-N-N-Rs. Jonathan, the poet, current. Jomi, explain it our dinner on.

Hashtag Afro-chiziac Jomi! Hell yeah. Good one. Yeah, because I'm African. No, because you're cheesy. That's good. Oh, yeah.

Afro-huh. Is it that you guys spelled it that way? No, no, no, Afro cheesy act. That's the type of shit that happens. Just thinking out. On social, additional production by Arjuna, Ram Capow. Chuck, take it away. Alley is drunk with Paz.

Kerm got the bars. And if you end up at Shawshank, CR runs the yard. I was going to do all that. Wait, wait, what happened? Real quick, is there any way I could shut off? I could hear everything lay in them are saying. Y'all talk mad shit back there.

Wow. God damn, bro. Oh, that's some insight. What did they know this? What are they saying? What did they say, Chuck? I don't know. Here's the thing.

All I really couldn't make it out. All I know it was super spicy. They don't like joey back there. No. They said what? They don't like joey back there. What we said is why is he's so quiet every time we start the show, but he's so much louder before we started. So we got to adjust his levels.

Anyway, we will, I will unplug this. Drunk with power. I'm telling you guys. Drunk with power. I love that. Drunk with power, bro. Olaea, drunk with power. I'm going to bring that, I'm going to bring that from midnight munchies.

I'm going to bring Alia some Hennessy with power. Oh, so she could really cut loose? She'd really be drunk with power.