The Ringer-Verse - The Racist Movie Characters Draft | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

The Boys are back to draft the most racist characters in film history, featuring five categories: action, comedy, Oscar, Tarantino, and wild card. (0:00) Intro (16:45) The draft (1:42:53) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Jonathan Kermah, and Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas. This is the ringer's nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. We are Steve, the architect, Allent, the builder and tinker of things we are. Jomi, the explainer at Diner on, you've got questions. He's got answers. Old man, Van,

he is the receiving resurgent airline. Coke baby Chuck the 24-carat closure together. We are known as of the midnight boys. Okay. You sweating? You're high off the hummus right now, bro. Yeah, man. It's like the, uh, the fasting boosts my energy for some reason.

Hell yeah. But then also combined with the iced Americano that I had and the, uh, the fucking, the diet Coke. Then the hummus. I'm like, er, I'm charged. Wait, so you can't do a cold brew, but you can do an iced Americano? Well, the ice Americano is not as much as the cold brew, right? I mean, American. Who knows the coffee?

Who knows the coffee? Who knows it? All right. Fouts on socials, Instit Twitter, Facebook and TikTok, Jomi. Yo, so I was at Trivia the other day

and the trivia host Shout out Brendan was like, yo, man, I've seen your clips online, man. I follow you guys on the TikTok and Instagram,

man, you guys are really funny. Yes, we're out there, man. People are seeing us. Shout out Brendan. It was cool, man.

We're out here, guys. I'm glad we're out here, but Van, Van, are you okay? Did you just try your pulse? I did because the o'er ring is showing that my heart rate is 150.

That can't be true. Okay. Huh. It can't be true. Show me, do you want to take our, our boys' falls? Man, stupid future. Stupid future, my ring doesn't show my heart right. Well, it's true.

That's what it's supposed to do. Yeah, $150. I mean, you were jazzed up in an intro. Oh, I was. I was very jacked up. Um, look, what's going on with social media, Johnmy? It's successful. I mean, you know, I can't control everything.

I go to control and at the end of the day, the ring of our socials is going great. So, hey, I'm doing my job. I can't wait until they make AI versions of the midnight. boys. Can you imagine that's actually horrifying? Oh, I got news. My mom says no more porn talk.

It's over. Oh, she made the call. She made the call. She said, who snitched? Who snitched on you? I think it was my sister. So she doesn't watch the podcast? My mother, no, no, she's not interested in the shit we're talking about.

She does higher learning. She does rewatchables. But not mid-that, boy. She's like, I don't know all the things you guys are talking about. My mom saw sinners and she didn't get it. Okay. She's watching stuff. She likes some of the Marvel stuff, but she doesn't really understand it.

She didn't get sinners? She didn't get it. So they started twerking in the portal and she's just like, get these fucking. That part of it desperately, desperately confused her. Sure. She was desperately confused. It was pretty high concept. She was like, I thought these were ramping in the audience.

She said that she thought all of those people for the future and the past were going to come back and save them in the end. Which, like, not out of the realm of possibility. She thought that he was going to start playing music. She thought they were going to clump the vampires to death. Like it was like poros and egg game. Yeah, yeah.

On the other. And I was like, what made you think that? And she was like, well, what was the purpose of showing it? If, because he could call,

he sees, he goes, so he could call, he could play music and call his ancestors from the past and from the future. And I'm like, yeah, no.

he I guess like a symbolic yeah it's a metaphor I mean honestly I think your mom has a point the spirits could have spirits would kick the Empire sasses yeah and then she goes well

if they wasn't gonna come back and help out like what was the point of showing that and I was like I agree it was like a whole whole thing so this is going crazy yeah it's going nuts all right on YouTube like comment subscribe share you can watch

every midnight boys in every house of our episode on YouTube.com backslash at ring of verse and also on Spotify Programmer Reminders. House of R has an interview with Tony Gilroy. Interesting. Hell yeah. Yeah.

Running the town right now, man. After the end of success, brother, he's doing all the interviews. I just saw Tony at Vitiates. It was great. Oh, you went to see him there? Well, I went to go see Michael Clayton, and he was talking afterwards. He talked after. You like Michael Clayton.

I love Michael Clayton. It's one of my top five movies of all time. For real. So he wrote Michael Clayton, right? Yeah. And directed. So my thing about Michael Clayton is this. I don't like it.

Okay. You don't like Michael Clayton? What is? Is it a drag? Why do you not really like? What's there not to like? I don't think that I've fucked with it. When it came out.

You're like the bread? It was a big deal. And I was kind of like, I don't know, I don't know. I think that Gilroy is way up there for me. But Michael Clayton was a miss for me. I don't know why. You only saw it once. I only saw it one time.

What do we say about rewatching on the last episode? Very true. Second shot. Give it a second shot. I'll watch it tonight. I watch it again. tonight. Then I found out that Denzel was supposed to be in Michael Clayton. Change the movie for me.

He talked about Denzel being in fucking he said Denzel was supposed to be in it. Russell Crow. That could have been interesting. He said basically every actor from the 90s circled that movie. Denzel and Michael Clayton would have been fucking dope though. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right. But, Mash

shared their reactions to Eldon Ring Nightbrain. They're making an Eldon Ring movie out here. They are. Yeah. Alex Garland. Who's going to be in it? What you would call it? The dude from the Alex Garland movie that I refuse to see, the Warfare.

Civil War? Oh, not warfare. No, warfare, right? Which one? But which guy that you... There's a lot of... There's a lot of guys. The white guy.

No, it's not all white guys. The Guardian's the Galaxy dude, the dude from... What's that movie? May December? Yeah. Oh, Charles Milton. Yeah, Charles Milton.

Oh, you don't like Charles? No. I love Charles Milton. So I tell you guys something about this Alex Garden, Elden Ring movie. Okay. After Garland makes this Eldon Ring movie, you're going to get like 10 years of the weirdest Alex Garland movies that we've ever gotten. I think he might have already.

Because he's got the bag. Because he at some point has to do an Eldon Ring movie so that he can continue to make movies that are really, really, really high concept. And like push it because he's got it. When I saw he was doing Elden Ring. But already with Civil War, like, killed it for 824. Yeah, I know. But I'm talking about like. even more or so than that.

This is the big one where you go get the big joint where you set and then you come back and you do a movie about a snail. This is Danny. This is his dude. This is his doom. Wow. He'll come back and do all kinds of movies

about different crazy hieroglyphic type actions. Wait, have you ever played Eldon Ring? Yeah, of course. You did? Yeah, I played it. I have to play it. Look, any game that everybody is playing, I have to play it.

I can not even imagine you trying to play Eldon Ring. How long does you last in the Elder Ring? Not long at all. Okay. Yeah. Can I take out something? There's only one game that I've ever played where I want to be in the game. Spider-Man?

Spider-Man. Right. The rest of these games? You don't want to be in college football? I don't want to be in college football? No, I'm the-mario cart. No. I don't want to be in the game.

I'm playing the game. Elder Ring and all of them games, that's for people that wish they had those ears. You know, like they wish they had Elfurt. What? What? They wish they had Elph. ears. What is that?

Like, if anime is for weaves, what is for, like, the white people who like the ears and shit? They got, they want to be an elf. Like the ears? What? Hold on.

Y'all gonna act like it's not a whole... It's a whole thing. What do you mean? White people that like ears? You know what they be dressing up as like elves and shit? They want to be elves. Cospliers?

No, it's different. I'm not talking about people. They talk about people. They're talking about people. They go to Renfairs? Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second.

First of all, many a second. There's three different types. Okay, so vampires, there's a lot of white people who want to be a vampire. Okay. They don't just like vampire stuff. Got it. They wish they were a vampire. Right.

Sure. Okay. Elf. Yes. Okay. They're all different types of white people. And these motherfuckers don't like to play elfish games. They want to be an elf.

I'll give you vampire. I'll even give you a werewolf. Elves? No, so many white people want to be elves. This is like this is facts. What are we talking about? Man, I'm not on the same thing. You never, you know, wait, in high school, you never, you never, you never,

You never saw the one like really pale chick who was walking down. She had like the fucking ears and shit. She wants to be out. And there's a third type of white person. Timothy Shalameh wants to be black. Well, we don't even count those, but that's actually a very good. This is a four. Four.

I mean, it's like, yes, but no, right? But then there's another white person. And these are white people to me that want to live in post-apocalyptic times. Oh. The pro-dunes day. But they wanted to happen. Right, right, right. They're in a tactical thing.

They're just like loading on ammo. Post-apocalyptic times. Buying canned beans. Like you see, there was a white boy that used to be, that's why I got the MREs from. I was telling you guys, a white guy that was in the army that I saw the MRE. He had the MRE on the movie set. They were bringing the MREs and they were having the MREs for lunch. I'm like, you only got to eat the MRE jacking the boxes across the street.

Right, yeah. But why are you making the MRE? He's getting ready. The lights are back on. Like, why are you making it? He's getting ready for. Frank from, um, last month.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those couple people. Steve, you're one of them. A prepper? Not a prepper. You're not,

you're a more on the elfish side. You're, you're one of, have you ever put on elf years? No. You're a lot. Have you ever been to a rent fare? Renfair?

Yeah. And you've lorped. No. You got. Yeah. Wait, wait. Whoa, wow. Oh, wow.

I have. I have some lore. So let me tell you. So let me tell you guys something. I have, I have. I'm going to tell an inside the Midnight Boy story. Where I admitted that I larked? I thought I didn't know.

No, no, I know exactly what he's talking about. This is early, too. This is Hawkeye, right? So we were doing Hawkeye. Yeah. Right, right. It didn't, boy. I tell a story.

We got to tell them. Because you guys don't understand how important, how, like, you guys don't understand, like, how fun it is to be around Steve. Because Steve be doing stuff. that... Okay, so we were talking about Harcide. And there's a part in Hawkeye. It's episode two? Where he goes to like a LARP.

Where he goes to like a LARP. Now, I had never, ever heard of LARP before. Right. I had heard of it, but I don't think that I knew what the term was, like LARP, right? So we're making jokes about the LARPers, which, by the way, is very rich. For somebody that watches Revenge of the Sith, like every Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To, like, make fun of LARPERS is dumb.

I got lightsabers the whole night. It was stupid. Steve called it right. And so, after the show was over, I don't know if we've done this on the podcast before. After the show was over, Steve was a little nervous or he wanted us to maybe take the part where we're making front of LARPERS out. Right. Because they're, like, and this is, I was rather naive about, like, I don't know, do we want to piss off those guys?

Steve went, yeah, the larping thing. What about the larping thing? And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, I don't know. Kind of feels like we're punching down a little. I was like, yo, Steve, you be larping? I was like, I have.

I've been known to lurp. And we laughed at house as home because it was like, Steve felt away. I know. He was like, stop fucking with my people. A little bit, but not real. Okay. It was one of the times when I wasn't exactly in tune with how you make fun of things and make fun of people.

And I was like, I don't know how he means this. So I need to actually test the waters to see like if he actually doesn't get these people or like is just making fun of how they are. And I'm like, how do you feel about that? And that's like what you do as a producer. You ask those questions about how something sound. And I'm like, that's how it is. Nigger, shut up. You was mad over the line.

Okay. Can we stop? Yo, man. Chill on my man, bro. Chill on Steve. First of all, I'm going to tell you all something about that incident and about all incidents involving Steve. Steve was right. And as much as we give Steve shit more than you, more than me, definitely more than you.

Steve has the highest percentage of me looking back on some shit and being like Steve was right more than anybody on the podcast I swear on my dad like now it was funny because he was doing it because he got a little I might have been personally connected to

but he was right I went back he was right first of all I fuck with the LARPers I got you to play Dungeons and Dragons I can get you to LARC Steve was right Steve was on us for Dungeons and Dragons for like months. It's like, Van, you need to really get your shit together.

I'm like, man, I don't try to this larpin-ass shit. And then we get to Dungeons and Dragons it was more fun. It was so much fun. I'm wondering like, why we haven't gone back

to do it again. Maybe you've got to wait until everybody's back in the city. We might just have to do a midnight boy's one. Ooh. We just might have to do a midnight boys. You know what I'm saying? Just us

and maybe get Alea. Cool. You know, Alea. Because basically, Alea, it's just basically, We just need a woman, so we just throw a leg.

What is? What is wrong with you? Why would you say that? Why would you say that? On this show today, we're having a number draft. And this time is the most racist characters in all of cinema history. Charles, why are we doing this? I believe I remember the moment when you had the idea because it was in one of our insane production meetings.

And for some reason we were talking about the episode where Tony Soprano, opens up the cabinet and sees the Uncle Ben shit. And that's like, oh, panicked. Right, yeah. And then you go, we should have a racist character's draft. So we're not doing TV today. We're just doing movies. But shout out, Tony Soprano, I think, was the one who really started this all off.

Also, I think in the spirit of this, in this competition, we were bringing up Tony Soprano because we were like, you know, sometimes racism is funny. Like whenever Tony was racist on the show, I was just like, damn, he's a piece of shit. But also, damn, Meadow's boyfriend. Like, I hate it had to be you, you know? Meadow's boyfriend was a little bitch, though. He, because he was, he was afraid to, he was afraid to stand up to his dad, you know? That wasn't a good.

He did. That wasn't a good representation of who Meadow should have been with. So it was like 2000? Wait, so what black actor around the 2000 should Meadow have been with? Damn. Because that's in Meadows' age group, right? No, because she was in college. So maybe Usher?

Usher on the Subranos would be. How dark did you get, though? You can get pretty dark. Because you don't want to be too dark for that. Yeah, because they're in the news right now. Can you imagine if she dated Pusha T? That's crazy. Can you imagine Tony Sopranos just like?

But see, they might have worked together, pushing a to me. Maybe. That's an alliance. See, that's something they never explored. Tony with Meadows' boyfriend, they deal in dope. All kinds of shit. But anyway, that's why we're doing it. Spoiler warning for all racism.

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Sarah coming. All right, let's get into it, Chuck. All right, so we, the Midnight Boys, are taking a look through the most racist characters and portrayals throughout cinema. We will be drafting from a number of categories. They are. Action, comedy, Oscar, Tarantino,

and Wild Card. They can either be characters that are racist towards others or portrayals that have been deemed offensive in racist. Once a character from a movie is picked, that movie is off the board. Did we decide that? I like that, though.

So when the character from a movie is picked, that movie is totally off the board. I don't know if I agree with that. I don't think we could do that, though. No? No. Because we can't do that. We definitely can't do that.

We definitely can't do that. Now, before we get into, it's going to be snake drive. Kerm is going to pick. Before we get into that, I have to ask a really quick question. When we're not, like, in some of these, we're not celebrating the racism. But in other of these,

how do we account for characters that were racist, but by the end of the movie, changed. Interesting. Because I still think they should be eligible. There's going to be a lot of characters who, quote, unquote, realize racism is bad at the end. Yeah, but I mean, it's not the same thing,

but it's on a similar vein. Like, there's going to be some racist characters that we laughed at, right, because the racism might have been funny, right? Or something like that, right? So ultimately, it's just a matter of, were they at any point racist or offensive? Got it. And made, you know, maybe not like,

Totally. Let me like in one case, like super uncomfortable. And another one, you're laughing, but you also recognize that, that was, that's dicey. It's dice. All right. Well, then, with that, Kerm, tell us who's going first, second, third, fourth. So with the fourth overall pick in this draft, you know what it is, Steve. You got the fourth pick. Dead last, baby.

It's the rules. I don't make up the rules. Hot corner. Damn, that's crazy. The third pick today is going to be Jomey. I'll take that. Um, this, so the, I was gonna choose you for the first overall pick, Chuck, but I got some information on Friday that you switched barbers.

We had the same barber and now you left my doing. Wow. Joe. So then has the number one overall pick. Chuck has the two. Okay. So, I just love that that was his reasoning. So by the way, you just gave out the picks.

You didn't do like a randomizer. generator or something. Correct. Okay, great. That's how David Starr used to do it back in the day. I love it. Okay, so for the number one pick, I have to do a character that is both.

Okay, okay. Category? I'm going to go, I'm going to go Tarantino. Okay. Ooh. All right. A character that is a racist portrayal, but maybe accurate.

And a character that's also super duper racist. Now, this comes from a movie Where there are two people that you could choose Yes I already know I already know, yeah I am going to go With Stephen

As portrayed By Samuel L. Jackson I know Yeah I know that there's another choice That's sitting right there But I think that Stephen Is more racist

Is more racist This was what I was worried about for black characters can black characters be racist yes this this one can okay this one has the theories

and the explanations and the emotional allegiance to racism ingrained in him like no other character in the history of movies I think that that character and this other characters is a second right

Second one. It's more racist than Calvin Candy. Wow. I think he's more racist. I don't know. It's tough. I think he's more racist because I actually think that Calvin was a little bit sweet on Stephen, right? And that Stephen is the one who was really giving steroids to Calvin's anti-

Like he almost kept his racism in check? No. So, Stephen, so when you look at the dynamic between the two of them, sure. Stephen has such, such a deep, seated and deeply held belief in white supremacy. Yeah. That it affects the way he treats all of the other black people. Like, Calvin is more willing to accept the way Django acts than Stephen is.

Like, Calvin, Django says something and Calvin's like, oh, whatever. And Steven's like, you don't let this nigger talk to you like that. Like, Stephen is more invested in to it than Calvin is. And it says so much. When Calvin dies and Samuel Jackson's Crailing and crying, I'm like, so nasty. Django, I will be honest. There have been moments in the Tarotino films. That was a movie where I almost have to be like, I kid.

It's a lot. I was like, I kid. It's egregious. Yeah. So that's my first pick. That is, all right. You know what? then I'm going to go

because there's a lot in Tarantino. There's a lot in Tarantino. I'm going to go in action and I hate it has to be this character. But you don't really realize as a kid what's racist and you don't really have a lot of

like sometimes you do but other times you just go see a movie and you're like, man, that character was funny and they're CGI and it was great. And it is not. Look at your parents. They're like,

what the fuck is this? I gotta go Jar Jarvinces. Oh, damn. Jarvincy's like... Oh, here's the thing. You did this, dog. Here's the thing. Br.

What? Amma going fucking go crazy. No, shout out Ahmad, we know. Like, there's been a rehabilitation, but... You go, you go on with Jarvie. You go, okay, talk to us about it. Talking out, this is so pithy from you. What?

No, I'm fucking with it. It's just, all right. This is how much Hollywood has changed. Because, like, in preparation for this, what you realize is how many classic movies were, like, there wasn't one black person to call it in the room. That was just like, hey, yo, before we spend hundreds of millions of dollars, is CGI budget, marketing, putting this motherfucker on toys? Can we just make sure you're not talking, talking in a Jamaica white talk? You know what I'm saying? But here's the thing, also, if I'm going to be real.

This guy is dumb. But also, if I'm going to be real, this is how I'm also. not shit. This is how the phantom menace gets made. Because, like, I was at a part in my 20s where I was working at a very, very reputable publication. Let's say that. And let's just say the most powerful person ever, a white guy. This is why I'm like, all right, yeah, motherfuckers really don't say shit. Because every once in a while, he was really into reggae, like, really into reggae. Oh, no. And every once in a while, he just walked into his office and keep the door open what white as can be. And you just hear the phone,

ring and he just pick it up and you just be boo he's like wogwam bro, let's go out of him. There's no way. Looking like me? No way. Like me. Worse. Oh, boy.

Worse. Crazy. But here's the thing. That's why I bring that story up to say, like I can see how in the making a fan of menace, maybe there were some people who's like, hey, yo, George, you really, do we really got to be like, like, Lisa, Lisa, Massie. Also, the mass is tough. I think the ultimate ethos of the sequel, of the prequels, at least the reason that mainly people

didn't like them is because nobody told George no at all. Obviously, because here's the thing, there are more racist characters that you can pick from just a phantomans. Just a fan of menace. I was like, man, nobody said none during this whole day. There's some anti-ante-semi-simi in there, too. Oh, my characters are still on the board. Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah. That's crazy. Great choice. Yeah, we're cooking all ready to time. Show me? Oh, man. All right. All right.

I'm going to do this because this is going to be a good conversation. The year is 2008. Wow. You know, it's a big year for our guy, Robert Downey Jr. Wow. Oh, I already knew it. He was nominated for the Oscar. He did Iron Man, guys.

What? That didn't even crack the Oscar nominations. For my first pick, third overall, I'm going Robert Danny Jr. in Top of Thunder. Oh, man. Oh, man. This is where we get crazy. All right. So the character has to be racist because he's legitimately in blackface. Yes.

There's no way. However. However, there's no however. There is. And I would love, I might have to. to call Brandon T. Jackson right now. All right. I have always maintained that even though the actual act of the blackface in the movie is undoubtedly

racist, that the character itself is a criticism of that act. Yes. That the character... I think it's a great length to explain that. That the character is a criticism and a satire of people going to that length. Like going all the way to portray a character. They have no business portraying. Right.

And there is a black character in the movie that consistently calls out the behavior over and over and over again. I was watching Tropic Thunder. It is hilarious. Like, I was watching it. It's so funny. But. this is always what happens with white stars. You know what I'm saying?

They come back. They're hot. They get Iron Man. They get the role. And then they're like, what's the most challenging thing I could do? Let me do something super racist. You know what I mean?

I'm just like Robert Downey Jr. didn't have to do blackface. Like, I get it's a joke. But it's such a crazy time in Downey's career because it's the exact same year that Iron Man comes out. But it's like...

He was nominated next to Heath Ledger as the Joker. Guys. And it's the... He was nominated for an Oscar for portraying a black man. Like, that's actually an Australian.

No, you whatever. He, like, it's the most... He's the most... And he's too good at it is the problem. I'm not going to break until the DVD commentary. And you listen to the DVD commentary. He's just like that. It's insane.

It's funny. I'm going to tell you all straight up. But it's nuts. The single funniest scene of that entire decade to me, of the whole day, decade of the 2000s is Robert Dahlia Jr. going,

huh, I remember back down to San Antonio Take some crawbads and throw him on the That's the single I'm in the theater Fucking Dying, huh, huh You know, some red beans, huh, cornbread?

I'm dying. I get it. It's definitely racist. It's definitely racist. but I kind of I understood it I understood it then and I kind of still understand it now I still fuck with the movie

I think I fuck with it the fucking long way I mean I don't co-sign it but I'm also just like if it's funny it's funny it's insane in the amount of stars

that were in that movie too I was Tom Cruise director oh bro Lex Grossman one of the one of the greatest characters

of all time it might be it might be honestly a top grossman to be honest with you could could be argued that little semi-s oh absolutely

absolutely yeah Absolutely. It really shows you the pull of Ben Stiller because he got everybody in that movie. But I didn't realize like all the care. Like I was like, oh, Bill Hater is up in his day. Yeah. McCona Hayes and that shit. It's like every scene. I was like, but that was also when Ben Stiller was just like cooking.

Like he had, yeah, meet the parents, everything. Damn, that's a good. I didn't think he was going to go that high, though. That's a good pick. He's got to go that high. But I still is more of my most unpopular taste. I defend. the portrayal.

I defend what was going on. Can I ask this? Do you think that you need the Teflon of the iron? Because I feel like if you were, if you didn't see Iron Man in theaters, you don't actually understand the cultural phenomenon

of like how hot Robert Downey Jr. is. Do you think that that was like protected him versus if it was any act of the time? Yeah. We got the joke. I know it's crazy to say 2008 was a different time,

but it really, really was absolutely. I'm telling you straight up. I'm sure at some point somewhere people were mad about it. I wasn't aware of that much chatter about it. I'm sure people were very upset about it. I got the joke. The joke was made and I got the joke. But I got the joke.

I got what they were saying about how dushy that could be, how self-indulging. You don't recall any bigger conversation in the day. No, I remember about social media wasn't around. It wasn't about them. And that was like, forget that today. Because imagine, because imagine if there was like, if Twitter was Twitter back during that time, people would have been like, hey, yo, but this motherfucker can't be in movies anymore, but they let Robert Downey Jr. being blackface and he did all this.

I get it. It would have been. And every time we had this conversation because this movie pops up, it's the same thing. I got it. I got the job. I got what they were trying to say. And in that realm, I still laugh at it. I still laugh at it.

I was laughing this morning. Is that kind of an amazing tightwire act to do? Because you have, like, Hollywood's biggest star doing something like that. Well, he wasn't Hollywood biggest star. Well, I mean, like... But to your point, though, yes. Honestly, yes. Because you have to get Brandy T. Jackson's character, right?

Mm-hmm. You have to make that character just absurd enough to be... For people to be like, okay, well, this is... If there's any seriousness to it at all, it doesn't work. Yeah. I mean, but also, we forget, one of the first jokes

that were introduced to Ben Stiller's character is him playing a mentally challenged person. The whole movie was that way, yeah. They keep running with the joke and I'm just like,

to your point, I was like, oh, no, yeah, I remember this era of comedy, I remember, yeah, we didn't give a fuck.

Right, right, okay. Steve? Steve, what's your first place, you got to? Um, I'll take Tarantino. I will counter with Calvin Candy.

Okay, for that of the one. Um, I remember seeing that, and there's a couple of times when you see an actor do a performance that, like, makes you kind of, like, it breaks your brain because you're like, if you as an actor or you as a person can unlock something like this inside of yourself, you kind of worry about that person. You think Leo meant it. I don't know. I mean, Leo himself was worried because he says that story about how, like, yeah, he was scared himself. I'm saying, you old Jackson was getting pissed at him because he didn't want to say all the N words and he didn't why he's just like, if you don't lock him.

But, yeah, continue you. But it's that level thing. Like, the commitment that Leo has to that is astounding. Right. And very believable. And not to say that, like, that an actor can't go to a place like that, but it's profound. And the movie is brave enough to go there as well as Leo. And it's a crazy portray.

I don't know if we're going to say brave. Yeah, I don't know if brave is the right word. Maybe not brave. But brave's probably not the right word, but it's definitely. Bold, I'll say. Well, because, again, like. Bold is, yeah, I agree. He was very, he's like,

I don't think you got it. I don't think I got it. I don't want to, like, go this deep into it. But ultimately, that sells the performance. When they're sitting there at that dining table, right? With the skull and everything. And he's like, rub, I mean, the blood is like creepy enough. But like, bro, when he says that, uh,

the N-WR with the hard R, I felt in my soul. I was like, yo, whoa, whoa, bro. Like, calm down, man. It's a movie. Do you know what the interesting thing about that, uh, portrayal is, particularly that scene? So Calvin Candy's character is definitely super racist, right? Yeah.

They have no choice. The Mendingo fights, the whole thing? The whole has no choice. However, the indignation that he shows during that is not based in race. It's based in ego. Yeah. Like he has been swindled by Django and what was Django's? Christopher Waltz's character

he's been swindled by them they are there not to do what they said they were there to do they're there to rescue his wife and they're going to swindle him that's what he's mad about which is so interesting when you think about it because

it's an it's an inversion to me of the entire project of chattel slavery so child slavery is an economic system that in order to make that economic system make sense,

you had to endeavor into the dehumanization of the people. So essentially, you come back to capitalism and how capitalism wants all of these people to be subjugated. So after a while of going there and subjecting human beings to what they were subjected to, you have to, A, make the Bible do work for you, right? You have to be, convince yourself and your progeny and their progeny, that these people

aren't really people, because if so, how could you do that to them? And then see, you have to have complete disregard for their lives. Calvin, it inverts. He is actually kind of talking to Django as if Jango is a man. Right? He's a guy.

Then, once the business goes bad, he has to explain to Jango that you and your people all actually aren't shit. He has to revert back. He talks to Django as a man first and then secondly, he gets pissed off because

of a business deal going wrong. So the psychology of that character is very interesting. Like, he loves Stephen. Like, there's a relationship there. There's a part of Calvin that, I mean, he's definitely a hyper-racist character.

But he's also just like a sociological victim and product of the time. He could be made to believe that there is a special black guy, right? But once his ego is threatened, he goes right back to, you know what? Wrong. Everything else I was taught is true.

All you nags really ain't shit. And that's like it's the capitalism brain. Like he's looking at everything. Like this is, to your point, it is a business. These are products. Right. And the way he's talking and schmusing,

it's like the performance from Leo was so good because I'm like, oh, you are a Southern business man who was just like look at what I build. Right. He's looking at when he meets Django, he's looking at Django like, oh, you're a man. You're not my property. Right. But you can't trick me because at the end of the day, you're just a nigger. Yeah. Like, you can't trick me.

Like, why haven't all of these people? You think that you're special. You think that you're this. But at the end of the day, you're still just, you're just a black man. All of these people should have rose up and kill us. Let me tell you why they don't. They don't. Because there's a special part in their brain that says

that we are their betters. So it doesn't matter how fucking awesome you think you are. This is how you're made. You can't fuck over me. It was very, very interesting when you think of the movie and the scene in that context. And I will say this is not going to be as smart or as eloquent, but I think part of this draft, it's hard for me to like, to everything you said I agree with, but then when we take the clips out of context and I just, people post that, not my niggas that can't. I'm like, all right, can we take anything serious?

Can we take anything serious? Man, one of the most uncomfortable situations I've ever been in was being in the arc light when watching Django in the Cinerama Don and listen and like with the crowd. And it was like... He was laughing too hard? That was laughing too hard?

The movie is funny. But I'm not there yet. Right. Is that a nigger on the horse? Ha ha ha ha ha. I'm like, What was the makeup in terms of the audience? There's always a dark light.

Hollywood's only one percent black. Yeah, so. Ain't no niggas up here in this part of LA where we live? You're absolutely correct because there's the scene with all the KKK members on the horses. I can't see shit. That is some of the funniest movie making I've ever seen. But those guys are like, we're going to hang some niggers. And I'm laughing.

Criticize, criticize, criticize. All right, Steve, you got another one. uh yeah what am I going with here got a lot of options there are um okay I think I'm gonna go with

uh in action um the the uh microbots from Transformers I knew this was coming I knew this was coming Skids and Mudflap

Revenge of the Farland boy I knew this was coming this was I remember seeing this in the theater and I was genuinely appalled They gave them fucking grills. They was, and I was young. I was young enough to like think that I,

no, this was bad, bad. Yeah. My sister was on a crusade. Shout out to Ebony, rage, Lathen.

Yeah. That's a great pick. For anybody that hasn't rewatched or watched Transformers 2, Skins was that Revenge of the Fall? Revenge of the Falling. Terrible movie. Yeah. But somehow like the third worst Michael Bay Transformers film.

The first I. fucked with the first transformed. The first one is really good. The third one, I kind of mess with. Two, four and five,

take them or leave them. But the second one, man, those robots, there's a scene, I think, after they escape from the Smithsonian or whatever,

and like they're on the run. And Leo is like, yo, man, I can't do this. I know I want to be involved with robots, but I can't do it.

And I can't remember which robot. They all, you know, they're very similar voices. They're like, why do we take this shrimp taco? I was like, yo, that's crazy.

Yeah. What are y'all? What are y'all on? It was nuts. And isn't one of those voice actors? Tom Kenny. Tom Kenny. Tom Kenney.

It's a Transformers movie. Like, who was in the room? Be like, yeah, you know it would be great. Make them look like this. Like, because here's the thing. They were racist, but also they was ugly and short at fucking time. It was, it was bad. It was bad.

It was bad. Wait, wait. Your sister saw this. movie and she was just like fuck the she was going crazy I get it's real that's real she was she was going crazy she was leading a crusade on Facebook

really Facebook groove hashtag no more transformers crew leading a crusade on Facebook she was going nuts that was a wild time it is like 2011 2009 Jesus something like that all right Jome I'm going Tarantino

this one I'm gonna go with from Inglorious bastards. I'll go with Hans Landa. Okay. In this one. Just one of the worst people we've ever seen. Right. On film.

Amazing. Just, I mean, Christoph Waltz is doing incredible work. But Hans Landa, the individual, is fundamentally one of the most disgusting people we've ever seen on screen. Just an absolute terror. He's, again, to your point, Charles, his performance is really, like, indelible. Like, he, like, embodies it into the Leo thing. It's like, hey man, like if I saw Christoph Waltz, if I had just seen Inglory's bastards and then went outside and saw Christopher

on the street. It's like, hey, man, I might hate you. I'm crossing it, bro. I do not want any smoke. But yeah, super, super terrible. You've been being super, super racist. I'm going there's a good pick. Good pick.

Chuck. All right. This is what's going to separate. All right. Hmm. Hmm. You know what? In Oscar,

I'm going to go with a movie. that I watched very, very young, and I was just like, yeah, they don't wait too much in this shit. I'm going with Derek from American History X. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.

Like, yeah, now I will say that he, oh, this is what you're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. So this is reformed. That character, his whole journey is like, he's a racist, neo-Nazi,

he's talking all this shit. It's destroying his. family who's super abusive, he gets out of jail, he learns all this shit, and he comes to see what he's wrought, and his brother, all that shit. So, like, this was an interesting one I wanted to bring to the table. Can we still pick him because the whole arc of the movie is, how do you change? So you can pick him, and you have picked him. Yes.

But I would make the argument that he's also one of the least racist characters. because he curbs stomps the motherfucking I get it I get it no I agree that's why I would say what I would say is though he not release racist it's like a character that like becomes like a good dude and actively becomes anti-racist

but also but here's my but maybe he might go back after what happened at the end who knows but my problem with American History X though is that I feel like a lot of people who watch that movie and see that performance don't even care about the arc of the story. They just, like, see the curb stopping

and all of the arguments and whatever. And that's the reason a lot of times with these Oscar movies, these movies about race, I'm always like, because I'm just like, I get the message of the movie, but do you know how many white people I know

who, like, would rather him go back the other way? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, so for me, I was, because I've got Danny on here too, and my thing goes, I would have went Danny over Derrick just for the fact that like Derek figured it out earlier, right? And so like Danny's still racist.

Like we gets back for prison, he's a skinhead, the whole thing. Like, if I'm picking like who's more racist out of Danny and Derek, I would have went Danny. But I see the vision. I see the vision. I would have picked their dad. That's right. I mean, but he's like not, he, I mean.

I know. But daddy delivered the coldest line. Daddy said it's nigger bullshit. I'm like, I'll never look at Boy Meets World to fucking say. Crazy. Okay, my turn? Yep. So I'm gonna, I got two.

So for my first one, I'm gonna go comedy. Okay. And I'm gonna go for a movie that you guys probably haven't seen. That's from my day. I think I know where you're going. I think I know what it is. And it's another iconic blackface performance. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's on the list. It's on the list. Yeah. I'm going see Thomas Howell. Wow. In Soul Man. They did not thread the needle like Tropic Thunder did. I would make an argument.

Oh. That see Thomas Howe in Soulman, that this is this single most racist portrayal. So if you guys do not know what Soul Man is about. This is the Cosby generation. Soul Man is about a kid that wants to go to Harvard. He cannot go to Harvard. He can't go to Harvard because he doesn't have either the girls. grades or the money.

It's the money. It's the money. But he knows that Harvard gives minority scholarships. So he actually applies to Harvard as a black person, paints his face, does the Afro, the entire movie he is black. Now, it's not just that.

There is a woman in this movie that wants to fuck him specifically because she thinks that he has a big dick because he is black the movie is steeped base and grounded in stereotype

and doesn't run from it all did you see this in theaters? No shit no I was like five like he he falls for a black girl played by Ray Don Chong and then has to convince her to still be in love with him,

even after the realization that he's white. That he is actually a white boy in blackface. He still gets the girl. That might be the most racist fucking thing about the entire goddamn movie. Still pulled it off. Yeah. What's the worst thing in the movie, if you can remember?

So there was a, there's watermelon jokes in the movie. Jesus. There's like every single part of, of it. I've only seen clips. There is every single part of the movie. The movie is ground. The DNA of the movie is racial stereotype. And yo, maybe

they were trying in some way to say that like this love story means that it's not about skin color. She fell in love with who this guy was. It's just not. It is the milk in terms of movies that have

aged poorly. But by the way, back in the, I've seen it dozens of times. What? Dozens? He was rocking with it? Is it just as like a fascinating thing that they did?

I remember as a kid we didn't care at all. Really? We would watch that shit as a family. My father thought that movie was a family. As a family. My father thought that movie

was so fucking funny. Really? Oh wow. Yeah, my dad thought that movie was so fucking funny. No shit. You'd be like, oh, she'd try to go. She think you got to.

That thing to be. for crazy. Like, my dad thought that movie was so fucking funny. Like, it just... And I remember it... When I started learning, truly learning,

truly learning the history behind Blackface, I remember he just dawned on me one day. I was like, well, shit. All of Soul Man was fucking, what the fuck is going on?

What's the soul man? You're watching. He was like, oh, in hell, no. Right. All right. Any second.

All right, so I have drama. Okay. Is it drama or Oscar? You took, you might have taken. You can tertial four. It's Oscar. Okay, so it's in, wait.

Well, then I got to go wild card. Okay. I got to go wild card then. Okay. My wild card comes from the movie, Higher Learning. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1995. Remy. Yeah. I gotta go with Remy. Yeah. Now, it's a lot of bail that people be shooting Remy. That Remy wasn't really racist. Remy wasn't really bad.

He just didn't have a tribe and a family. And the brilliant John Singleton goes into great depth to expose how the white supremacy skinhead movement picks out exactly those types of kids that don't have family, that don't have structure. Acceptable to that influence. Subceptible to that influence and then radicalizes them, I get all of that. this motherfucker killed Tyra Banks he Remy is one of the most devastatingly racist a true believer

a true believer in all of it I'm going Remy from Higher Learning I could have picked a couple of other Michael Rappaport movies or Michael Rappaport in real life but like All right I'm going to be from higher law

I mean hey hey listen Okay all right that's good pick all right you know what in comedy all right in comedy I think I have to go with just a classic example

we watched this movie in full before bed last night and I was like God damn I gotta go with Miss Daisy from driving Miss Daisy Oh shit That shit was Boy Charles I really like the kid You okay so you're going with it

That movie I was like there's one point She goes I didn't know that you wanted to see Martin Luther King And my brother, Morgan Freeman had to sit and listen to that shit on the radio. He goes through all this shit. At the end of the movie, she's lost everything, whatever.

And she reaches out her hand. And she goes, you're my best friend. And Morgan Freeman's like, yes, I'm. There was a scene. Is Hulk, is Miss Daisy more racist or is Hulk more racist? It definitely. It's got a mistake. Because also, all right, this was also the shit that pissed me off.

Like, I knew it was going to be bad. But there's a moment where I was like, all right, Morgan Freeman can't read. Like, what the fuck? She gives him the fucking Christmas. Like, I'll, Dan Aykroyd, I'm like, dog, what is you doing, bro? This movie, also, this movie is exploring some very dangerous relationships between black people and Jewish people.

Right. And I was like... Miss Daisy, Jessica Tandy won the Academy Award. Different times. Have y'all seen Driving Miss Daisy? I saw it in a film class. Yeah, I saw the film class too. It's...

I remember, what is that? Was that, like, 1990, 1989? I was old enough to remember driving Miss Daisy being like a huge thing. It was a stage play first. But even Morgan Freeman, I was like, not my nigga Morgan Freeman. That shit was tough. Look.

bro, in old Hollywood, you had to play a couple of hoak roles, man. You had to get to be the magical Negro. You have to play a couple of hulk roles. That's tough. All right, what's you got, Jomey? All right. I'm going to Oscar with this one. And this is a little older.

This is a movie from 1961. But I'm going Breakfast of Tiffany's. Yep. Ooh. I'm going Mickey Rooney's portrayal of Mr. Uni Yoni. Legitimately. really what the most disturbing things of that we've ever put the film as a society. It's a white man doing the like epitome of Asian stereotypes on screen with makeup,

with prosthetics, the whole thing. It's like legitimately haunting. And even, I can't imagine what it like, what the temperature was like 61. Again, because I'm a little younger. And I see things like from the 90s. in the 2000s. And I'm like, you know, different times. You know, I kind of remember those.

I don't remember. I wasn't there in 61. And so for that thing that, like, come out and people go, cool, right? Awesome. Let's put, let's publish that. Let's have that live on forever. Just insane to me. Because that is like legitimately one of the most offensive things ever put to

screen. It's nuts. I will say this. Sometimes I'm like, oh, white people never have the feeling of like watching like a classic movie where I'm just like, I'm already prepped. If a movie was pretty much made before I want to see. like 2010. I'm like, and it's a classic,

I'm like, there's going to be something so racist in this that is just going to come out of nowhere. I'm just to be like, yep, sure. Like, movies from the ace or whatever. I'm always just sitting there being like, when's it coming? There's. There's a couple more so on the board

where I was just like, oh yeah, I even forgot that this character was even in this movie. And a lot of it is like kind of needless too. Needless out of nowhere. By most other accounts, like a great film. You know how many John Hughes movies?

I'm just like... Why? Why did you do that, John Hughes? Why? Why? It's insane. And those movies don't even have black people in them. And so when they do put a person in color in, it's like, all right, I see what you're doing there. You was trying to be offensive.

You were trying to be racist. Like, there was no need for that. Who's next? Steve's got two. That's me. Steve's got two. Oscar is a lot to go with here. You can pick anybody from Crash.

That's literally on the That's what I wrote on the board That's what I watched Crash Crash is the craziest movie You know what For a sanctimonious Like 13 year old

That first saw that Yeah sure I'll do the entire movie You cast a crass Sandra Bullock in the beginning My face Was fixing the doork He's like

Change the doorknobs Look at this gang beggars You have it here Like I'll It comes out there It just gives it a key I feel so sorry So when we did

When we did the the, we were, again, we were in film class when we watched Perfecter Tiffany's, right? And the whole thing was, you know, like, looking back at old films that haven't aged well. And a professor was just like, you know, we don't have it all our time. Here's Brevis Tiffany's. Which you guys to go home, go watch Crash. That's next up. Right?

And I was like, this is 2003. How bad could it really be? You know, Baxter 61, this is 2003. That was one of the worst films because it took itself so seriously. Bro. It was like, we're making this. This is like so earnest. This is like a Hallmark card on screen.

This is about the unity of the... And I want to foe up the whole time. I'm like, what are you all doing here? Within the first five minutes, Ludacris walks out of the fucking restaurant. Oh, Jesus Christ. And he just like, I can't believe. That whatever.

Look at all these races around here. That's when I found out that... Jack the car. I'm just like, hey, bro. And they put out the guns, and you were supposed to get something profound for me. Yeah, like what? Look at the...

Apocacy. Jesus. Then Matt Damon, not Matt Damon, Matt Dillon, sexually assaults a black woman, but later on, saves her life.

Oh, insane. And then the conversation that Terrence Howard and her have after that shit, I was like, burned this,

like this, once you get, man, the Oscars? Best picture, best picture, best original screenplay and best film editing.

Insane. Over, um, over, over. Brownback Mountain. Yeah. Insane.

All right. God. Okay. God. I just pick Crash. Yeah. It's just crash. All of Crash.

Okay. For comedy, this is, okay, so there's like a point where I could like really put my foot in it and like get the conversation. Go for it. All right. I'm going to acknowledge that like this was the one where like we're all having fun here. Okay. But Chris Tucker and Rush Hour is.

is quite racist towards Asian people a lot. I don't know if I could do this. It's tough. I don't know if I'm tough. What's the problem? No, no, no. Explain yourself. What's the problem?

It's tough. It's true. Okay. Is it racism, though? Is it? Yes, it is. Guys, it's definitely racist. No, he's being prejudiced.

Yeah. But historically, Chris Tucker don't have enough power to really be subjugating. They are prejudiced. It is very private. And it's, yes, race. But. It's tough Also, Jackie Chan was getting this shit in, too

It's yours, if you want to If you want to go there, you already made to pick Why not Jackie Chan though? But here's the thing, I'm also imagining Why not Jackie Chan? I'm also imagining like the graph and the social Breakouts and then if like if I have Chris Tucker No, go for you already did it.

No, it's that. No, no, no, you did it. No, no, don't. Don't back. You had options. You have for you. Now, because the question is a film is super racist. And Chris Tucker says some fucked up

shit in it. But like I said, like Chris Stunker don't got no power in that movie. Yeah, but at the same time, though, like, when he's come off the plane and your first thing is... That's a... Do you understand it? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's funny, we laughed. Here's the thing. I don't care. That's where...

Every single time I see the clip, I think this is from Rush Hour 2 where they reveal all the women. That's a lot. Jesus Christ. It's a lot. Rush hour is not a problematic movie, man. I don't think Rush Hour's a problematic.

Really? I don't think it's problematic. It is problematic because wasn't the writer of Rush Hour white though? Right, right? Yeah. Yeah, right. I didn't write it, I don't think. He directed it.

Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. We can enjoy Rush Hour. Fuck it. I don't care. We can enjoy Tropical Thunder too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But look, hey, go for it. You want to be smirch? I just say, besmirge. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. Look, I don't know if Jackie Chan's, I can't remember. Was Jackie Chan's?

Was Jackie Chan's character as? Was he racist towards? Did he? A little but not as. He said the N-word. Not really. His character. He did say the N-word at the bar.

But again, he didn't know, like in that scene, the joke is he doesn't understand what he's saying. He sure did. That's hilarious, though. It was a different time. He doesn't understand what he's saying in that bar. Oh, man. That's not funny when he does that?

It's been funny. Dude, very funny. The scene at the beginning of Rush Hour 2 when they were in Hong Kong, man. and he's doing the Michael Jackson. And he, again, he's like, I'm a god to these people, man. I'm like, what you mean? I'm two feet taller. Everybody in here.

Like, come on, man. This is fucking, but it's still a fish. It's crazy, bro. I love that movie. I love that move. Go ahead. This is good. It's a little sauce, Steve.

You got another one? Did I just do? No, you did. You did crash. Rush hour. Yeah, it's my turn. I got to go action here. Is this?

I don't, I think I'm going to do, it is kind of racist because he do playing Asian dude, but he's not Asian. The Mandarin and Iron Man 3. Oh, okay. He's playing a guy playing him, though. Now we know this. Yeah, now. Right now. After the fact.

After the fact. Because they had to come back, but like, actually. So they, so the movie comes out. we're like, hey man, that's kind of messed up y'all did that. Then they had to release All Hell the King, which was like a one shot. Oh, yeah. Where they're like, oh, he's actually not the Mandarin, guys. There's a real Mandarin.

This is just a guy being, being, hey, man, we don't have this English guy playing an Asian dude for fun. You know what I mean? It's a whole thing, right? I'm all, I'll say, why not Namor? Namor? Namor. Why not Namor? No, no, more instead of Mandarin.

Well, because I'll racist to the black people To an entire fucking country Let's get this out right now I didn't pick either person But I had Ulysses claw on my list I don't know if he doesn't do anything He's racist but not overt It seemed like to me

That Ulysses claw I don't think if there's a certain interaction That really like bought that home I think what it was for him specifically Was he wanted the What you call it? He's a colonizer. He's absolutely racist.

I think, maybe. Yeah, but it would be Claw Mandarin and Namor are kind of similar. Where's Ulysses Claw from? Where is Ulysses Claw from? Man, look at this. Ulysses Claw is the son of Nazi war criminal.

All right, well, all right. He was sent by Adolf Hitler to the small nation. movie was just saying. No, that's all right. Why not Red Skull? Definitely racist. I don't think that the claw from Black Panther, though, actually lives up to the whole thing. I don't think that he lives there.

I mean, if you like Google racist comic book characters, there are some like, I mean, Red School makes the list, but there are some that are legitimately just like, I hate black people. I want black people to die. We haven't seen those in film, but there are definitely like characters who have that been on pages that are just like, oh, you've got, you're the KKK, you've got a hood on. What about, you know who else in superheroes? Fucking Brian Cox and X2 striker. I, I mean, I guess mutant, it is kind of, it is kind of, like does, what's it called?

Magneto count? No. He's a human racist? That don't count. That don't count. He are racist against humans. All right, Magneto is a freedom fighter fighting for his people. You know what I'm saying?

I'm with it. But he races. against human. He ain't got no he's not. No, he's not. Have the humans ever, were the humans ever write in any of the shit? No. He's a speciesist. So, I mean, okay, look, I'm winning. You know how I feel,

you know what I'm saying? Magneto ain't got no use for no humans. If we're going to be honest, my big problem with Magneto is that, like, A, he has a PR marketing problem, B, he drafts the worst mutants. Like, if Magneto drafted better mutants, that I

think we would look at him a different way. you mean like who's holding magnino back in the brotherhood all right i'm sorry i'm sorry like they they can play the bench but toad and blob like come on bro so i think the thing like mystique mystique is like mystique's good mystique is great you know what i'm saying if we're going comic books i could see scarlet witch i could see i could see i could see quicks over right but you need to throw in some like you could have probably gotten to wolverine first if we're being honest like he like magneto could have gone to wolverine and be like hey oh come on bro so i think the the difference there is that he preys on the mutants that don't have, like, the most desirable looks

because humanity looks at them different, right? If you look at Wolverine, you look at all those guys. You wouldn't even know their mutants unless they, like, you know, use their powers. No, that's the Morlocks. Toad. No, no, no, no, no. The Morlocks are more so. No, but, like, Toad, like, has got us, like, his vibe.

He's, like, he's got stink lines and flies are rated for me, right? Okay. When you see him, humans are like, oh, look at that mutant. That's gross. So, I mean, it was like, he's how the mutants, the humans. Street you, right? Don't you want to be over here with us? They're like, hell yeah. Professor X is on that model minority shit.

Exactly. He's only getting the light skin. Exactly. Super beautiful, the redhead. It's like that family guy mean with the, with the colors. Oh, yeah. And he's like, uh-huh, okay, yeah, yeah, you obeyed, you could come in. No, you, you're too dark. You look like, you're like.

You gotta look like Holly Berry to eat. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. All right, who's next? All right, I'm up. I got two categories left, Tarantino and Wildcars. Hmm Fuck Who am I gonna go with?

You know what? I'll get Tarantino out of the way I'm gonna go Jimmy from Pulp Fiction. Yep. And the reason I'm I am picking Jimmy from Pulp Fiction is that was the moment

as a kid where I was like What's up with that guy? I was like What's up with that guy? I heard the rumblins I love Pulp Fiction. I love Tarantino films but like

Get those dead d'ninger's out of my God. I was like, all right, you're having a little bit. Dead nigger storage? Come on. Jimmy is the... He's letting it fly. He's letting it fly in a way where I'm just like, if I would tell Tarantino to his face, I'm just like, hey, a lot of movies, but we all know what it is.

If Tarantino was a worst director, he wouldn't get away what happens. What's more egregious? Him casting himself as a dude to say the N-word, or him casts himself a dude to lick Samma Hayek's feet in dust until from Dustal Don. I can't judge the game on the on the feet front. You know what I'm saying? I can't just.

I can't. That's gross. What? I mean, no. I'm not saying that. I'm not king shaming. I'm just saying. Morally it's gross. Yes.

Right? Come on, man. Oh, Margarabi's dirty ass feet up on the fucking dashboard. Honestly, I was in between Jimmy from Pulp Fiction and honestly, this pissed me off. The Bruce Lee character assassination Once Upon a Time of Hollywood.

That's real bad. That should have been chosen. That pissed people off. That piss the family off, actually. I get why you say that. I still think Jimmy is the skeleton key where forever I was just like, I don't know how I feel about it.

You really think Bruce Leroy over Jimmy, though? Bruce Lill. You mean talking about Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee. No, no, no, no. No, no. Jimmy's worse. Dead nigger stores.

Jimmy is married to a black woman, though. So he can say it? That gives him the past? I'm not saying. I'm just saying. know what the fuck is going on. But I also, it's just like, I get it. It's Brad Pitt. I get it, but I'm just like,

that's Bruce, like, that's Bruce Lee. Have some respect. Like, stop. Like, I get it. Oh, Hollywood history. Bruce Lee was a fucking dickhead. He was a jackass. People hated him. But like, come on, bro. Like, he's a hero. Yeah. It's true. All right. Last two picks.

Okay. So I'm going to action. Mm-hmm. And I'm going to terrorists from true lies. Okay. It's bad. It's been a minute since I've seen true lies. Okay.

It's bad. Now, there was a time in the world where Hollywood was just completely okay with casting Muslim people as

terrorists in movies. Yeah. Which led, in my opinion, to a real, real societal contagion that came to a head, like, later on, and has resulted in some really, really incredible Islamophobia. Now, if you are doing a historical movie or a movie that's about, you know,

some fight with some terrorist regime, you know, we've seen, The white guys were the terrorists in a clear and present danger. It was the IRA. We've seen all that other stuff, whatever. I get it. But you know, you're doing your fictional movie at the time, and I'm sure they didn't even think about it, but you're doing your fictional movie,

and you've made up a group called the Crimson Jihad of all of these Muslim terrorists. And that's, it's just tough. Yeah. It's a tough, really corrupt. corrosive racial portrayal to me. So I'm going with that. People would even argue like up until 2008, like Iron Man and the

portrayal of the terrorists in that movie. Terrible. It's also is also like, I will say there's a stretch, especially in the 2000 and 2010s where you go back and watch some movies and you. Oh, any. It's even worse than I remember. Yeah. Like, all right, you got one more pick, man.

Okay. So this is, this is Oscar. What? I think I know where you're going. What are you talking about? I think I know where you're going. I can see the eyes. I don't know.

I guarantee you this is a movie that you guys haven't seen. Okay. So I thought about this one a lot. I thought about this one a lot. In Oscar. And I have to go with a character

who said one of the single most racist things in a movie that I can remember. This is not a major character. character in this movie, but this comes from the godfather. Oh. At the end, when I'm talking about most racist characters, this is this characters, one of their only scenes in the movie, but even watching this as a kid, I never, ever, ever

forgot this. In this movie, which we all agree, is the greatest film. in the history of the world. What people say. Godfather's the greatest film. People say that. People say that, though. You name me a movie better than the Godfather.

Iron Man, too. I love it, Jimmy. All right. I love it. I love it, Jomey. Okay. So I'm going to set the scene for you and tell you why I think this is one of the most racist characters ever in any film.

It also hits home. They're talking about drugs and the drug trade and how the five families are going to do the drug. trade, right? Vito Corleone doesn't want to do the drug trade. He doesn't want to be a part of it because he thinks that the drug trade will corrupt every single member of the five families, and there's so much time that the cops give to you that they'll be corrupted by having to snitch or having to sell out their capos and their bosses. Right. They're negotiating it. So the character is a guy named Don Zalucci.

He's one of the bosses of the five families. He says, I also don't believe in drugs for years. I paid my people extra not to do it. He says people come in and they offer them so much money that they have to. He says we should do it, but we should combine it to the dark peoples. The blacks, the Puerto Ricans, they're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls. That's a sinister. That is from the depth.

Don, geez. They're animals anyway. That is nuts. How do I not remember this seed? Yeah, this guy right here. It's played by Louis Gus, Joseph Zalucci. They're animals anyway. Jesus.

So let them lose their souls. That's how they was talking to do the right thing. That's how they do the right thing. Do the right thing you should have been drafted by them. I'm surprised that hasn't been picked an Oscar. Yeah. Like, I don't want it near schools. That's what he says.

I don't want it near schools. I don't want it sold to children. That's an infomnia. In my city, we keep the traffic in the dark people, the colors. They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls. never forgot it. Pick an Oscar from the Godfather. That's chilling.

One of the most racist lines I've ever heard. And also talks about how they put these drugs in these black communities so they can get hooked on it because we're animals anyway. Let us lose our souls. CIA member.

CIA member of the CIA. That's it. I'm done. Wow. All right. So for my wild card, I don't even know if this counts is racist. What? I just got to put him on the CIA. the board because I think

this betrayal, I would really like to talk to this actor, be like, if you could do it all again, would you pick this role? I got to go with LaTrell from White Chicks. Oh. I got to go with LaTrell. Terry Cruz.

Terry Cruz. The Buffy the Black, the White Girl Slaher? Wow. Like, because I was rewatching some Zines and the C what was his face takes off the mask and he's just like what is he he's just like oh I'm not white I'm a man and he says I'm like I'm cared

Negro get this too out of my sight get it out of my sight I really want to ask Terry Cruz I'm just like I feel like either he's just like that role changed my life or that has haunted me this is the day I've done it yeah because that performance I think is just it's incredible it's very very funny but if we're talking about like tropic thunder white chicks, that era of comedy. Latrell is a character. I'm like, yeah, I don't know if you could do this. Like, well, I think you could.

You definitely could. But it would be played way different. Maybe, maybe. Like, yeah, just like being like so into the way. I mean, but then when he's doing a thousand miles, bro, that's funny. Once again, racism is. Sometimes. Sometimes.

Sometimes. Sometimes, guys, you want to put that out. Sometimes. Say, what? Notice how I'm not saying a whole lot during this show. How funny do you think racism is, you? There's no doubt about that it is funny. Seven out of ten.

Seven out of ten. Racism is funny out of ten for you? I get it. You could have said three-fifths. It's, is, is no doubt about the fact that racism is funny sometimes it is. Sometimes it's funny to me. Sometimes it's, when I say funny to me, I mean, something racism will be happening to me, and it'll be funny in the moment.

that is happening. Yeah. Right. I'll be mad, but I'm like, this nigga is really racist. Because it's like so bold face. What I don't like is when the racism is not funny.

When somebody's like, you're like, do you be online, like you monkey? I'm like, all right, bro. Like,

yeah. Come on, man. Like, it's 2020, you could be more creative than that. Yeah, but I'm talking about like, you go someplace and,

like, you know, y'all know for me, one of the biggest pet peeves is people acting like, I can't pay for shit. you know that's funny to me that's funny when people go yeah well we just you know we're gonna require this and this and this i'm like i got it right now i'll pay for the whole thing

really like you know it's this much i'm like yeah don't worry about yeah i could do it it's like damn this nigga really think of this is really right could somebody get you on some reverse psychology to act like you can't pay for something in order to get you to pay for something they do it to black people all the time they like they do it to they do it to black people all the time. They do it to, they, they test you all the time, little microaggressions to draw you out to make you prove your worth. They do it all the time. Honestly, Jomey, your people when I moved here, you know what I'm saying, the Angelinos, that like, that motherfucker's showing the apartment's racist as hell. Oh. You know, you walk into an apartment, they're like,

yeah, so how many people going to be living here? Because, you know, we got some, some people next door. Jesus. Be a whole family, eight, nine, ten of them. So, You're single. I'm like, all right, man. All right, man. Relax. The one for me is when you be at the store and then the security guard follow you from out of aisle.

Man. And you're like, all right, bro. I can't, I can't just be looking at the wings right now, trying to slide between the party wings and the full ones. Like, I can't just spend like five minutes looking at the chicken. You got to, like, not move. You looking at the wings? Yeah.

Also, it's true story, bro. This happened, like, right by the office. I'm going to be honest with you, Jomi. You can't be looking at the way. Johnmy. Jomy, it's funny as shit that they think

you're going to steal some wings. Brasommy. Racism is funny. Racism is funny. Jomey. Jomi. You come in that bitch looking so fucking.

They think you about to steal some wings is fucking. It's crazy. God looking at you. You'd be like, bro. This nigga is going to the wings. This is the type of nigga

that looked like he's about to go steal all the wings. I'm in the back. I'm in the poultry section, man. I got my fish sauce. I got like all my other stuff. I'm trying to side because,

because you know what I'm saying? At that point, I had no bread. I couldn't just be throwing stuff in the, in the, in the, in the bag like that. So I'm like, oh, which one is more? And I'm calling my homie. She cooks. And I was like, what do you think, man? So I do this?

I do that. And I look to my side and I see the dude. I'm like, all right, he probably just, like, doing this rounds. I'm on the phone. Maybe I'm a little loud. Two, three minutes go by. And he's still there. Not peaks.

Oh, he's in the aisle. He's like, he's like, hang out. He's like, what's up? Where are we at? Right? I was like, cool. I go over to another aisle. You know, I'm just double-checking, man.

Maybe I'm in a weird spot. Nah, he keep winning me. I was like, all right, bro, this is what we're doing. All right, for show, man. Can't. Did you pay for the wings? Of course I pay for the wings. You do look like the type of nigger that steal some wings.

Oh, James? Yeah. Steal some crab legs. Like, if I see you, like, just like this. I mean, and you was going over to the wings department, I'd be like, hey, bro, do we have the little anti-theft devices that are. Are they ring things? The wings?

Yeah. It's worst one. DeVangard is one of us. And I'm just like, I'm like, damn. But he get extra love if he, if he, if he get one of his own. I used to be, man, I used to be a real asshole. I used to walk in places as I see a black security guard looking at me like that. I'd be like, nigga, they're not going to make you a employee of the month.

You should be letting us steal. We're supposed to be the same team. Yeah. Like, you like, by the way, I've never stolen anything. As a matter of fact, it was always funny when people, I've never stolen anything. I've never stolen anything, but I'm like, bro, you should be like, hey, man, she's going to turn her back in 30 seconds. Go get you some nine ladies.

Like, you're being Captain America in this bitch. They don't give a fuck about you. What the fuck you're like, what the fuck you're doing? I'm like, stop. Get out of my face. By the way, I love it. Like, the little racist microaggressions, they used to really piss me off and bother me.

But like, if I see you, like, you know, I'm a big guy. Sometimes you walk by a white lady. and, you know, they're a little, they're a little bit afraid. And, like, if I see, if we're on the elevator and I see you, like, a little bit afraid, I mean, I start murmuring shit, like, okay,

just keep you cool, keep you cool, I'm not going back. I'm not going back. What's wrong with you? I'm not going back. Why would you just? Keep you cool. I'm not going back.

What? Or I, like, one time, and Cleek got so pissed off. So pissed off when I told her, I was on an elevator, I was having meetings. And this is just after, after I had got to let go from TMZ.

And I'm having a meeting. I'm going different places for meeting. Karen has set up a bunch of meetings. We're all over the place. We're all over the place. We're talking to MACRO, MGM, all these different places, just having generals to see what we were going to do. And I remember I was on an elevator with this lady,

and she took a step to the side. When she did that, I went, ooh, you smell good. Ooh. What is that? What's you wearing? Oh, you smell? nice, you smell good. Like, that's crazy.

You know, I've been out in a while, so I ain't smelled nothing like that in a while, man. I'm glad to be back out here, you know? Just, I'll fuck with you. We used to do it. We used to play the ATM game in Baton Rouge. ATM games, that? Y'all think this is a lot. Now, this was just to random white people for no reason.

Y'all think I'm bullshit. Yeah, I promise you guys, I'm not. Like, if me and my homies went to the ATM and there was a white person in front of us, we would play the ATM game. The ATM game would be like, hey, man. it's been a while since we hit a motherfucker up at the ATM. Shit, it's like, oh, what? The whole time.

And one time somebody was like, it's going to be another while for y'all hit a motherfucker up at the ATM. This ain't no regular white boy. We started laughing because they got that we were playing. Sure, yeah. But I, I, me and Rachel, we're talking about this on higher learning. I, I love to take these entire things, these microaggressions, and then make people uncomfortable with them.

I've always loved it. Now, have you ever thought that maybe the woman stepped aside not because of racism, but because of like, you know, misogyny and just being a woman being in a man's base, the whole thing? Could be, but black women don't step aside. That is true. So, I mean, could be, by the way, by the way, those jokes and like me, I've been doing this for so long, guys.

I've been doing this for so long. I made the entire class uncomfortable when we were doing Huck Finn and Mrs. Smith. I've been doing this for so long. I enjoy like I enjoy making white people uncomfortable about this.

Can I be real? So ridiculous. Part of me kind of misses when like white people would be scared and like move aside on the street because now like white people is like, I'm not moving. I'm like,

I'm not moving. Like then we got to do this like. Sometimes I'm just like, damn, I did like a little bit more room on the sidewalk. Fuck you. But you know what? When we talk about stuff like that, you know what is like a good part of the racism? Is that like, let's people ask me for like change and stuff. Those people ask me to sign petitions and shit like that.

Like I'm outside and I see like a white person out there. They want you to sign a petition for some shit like that. And they're like, hey, sign a petition to stop this and blah, blah, blah. Outside that they ask three or four people. They don't ask me. Like we either, either. Either we know what kind of day this niggas having or we don't know what kind of day this niggas having

or we know this nigga don't care about the wells. You know what I mean? I've sat by myself on a Southwest flight. Oh, bro. That's great. Hold on, bro. That's great. I'm not mad at it.

Like you sitting down, it's a row. You're at the, well, back in the movies when it wasn't, you're sitting down, they go and sit right by somebody, leave an extra. I'm like, okay, cool. The black or the black protection. Leave me alone. Even in New York, sometimes you catch a old,

racist white person they do to look into the like into the subway too many niggins. They're not saying leave me along. They just poke their head in? Like just sometimes it sometimes it works out but it's never

ever ever ever not funny. I've told you guys the Black Hawk design story before. Yep. Yeah. All of that stuff. All of this stuff is funny bro. It's funny to me is it

pisses me off. It's very upsetting. But I, always laugh. Think about it. So basically you're you're trying to convince the Hollywood studio to recreate Soulman. I wouldn't do Soul Man. Which Blackface movie would you do?

But I would do something like it though. I'm not going to lie. You would? Yeah. Who's the actor? Who you'd be like they could they have the gravitas? Timothy Shalemate your remake Show Soul Man man. Oh my. He all he basically already remaking that bitch anyway. For real. Like in his daily life. Timothy Shalamay should remake Soulman

but this Soul Man should be different They should bring Soul Man back This C. Thomas Howe has a son B Thomas Howe C Thomas Howe D Thomas Howe oh That's a bad one You're just going down the alphabet Yes Christ

Wait his mixed kid From the original movie Yeah Looks too white He's a guy That's a fucking genius fucking move You do Soulman the other way Oh my God there's God

Broh hold on wait a minute This Soul Man sequel is crazy. Mixed kid because in that movie, so Ray Don Chong is half white. Right. That's Tommy Chong's actually probably have a lot of things because I think Tommy Chong might be half Asian as well. It's not going on with Tommy Chong.

So you could do Soul Man too, but it's actually, that's genius. It's actually a black kid that's passing for white. But you don't need to put any blackface on. Don't need to put any black face on. You don't got to do with no man. You just got to like, instead of being like, yeah, I'm black. Just like, actually, I'm like kind of like a undercover brother.

You do a little white face. Okay. Because he's now got to pass for white. Oh. You do a little white face. Just a little white face. He's got a pass for white. Maybe because Harvard got rid of affirmative action or something like that.

He's got to do a little white face. That's genius. That's genius. Or maybe he wants to be. be a part of Turning Point USA or something like that. Here's the thing. He's going to fall in love with one of our black queens. And then she's going to find out what the dad did.

No, he's going to find out in love with a white girl. Yeah. Oh. You got to fucking everything. Some Tommy Laurent type. He's got to fall in love. He's got to fall in. This is actually genius.

He's got to fall in love. So man, too. And so man, too. He's got to fall in love with a Tommy Lairn, with a Megan Kelly with one of them. And they got to be deep, deep in love. and then they got to find out that he's black. Oh. They got to find out that he's black.

We should write this. This is Mid-I-Boy's Productions. Midnight Productions. Pew-Pew Productions. Pew-Pu Productions. Should make this happen. Soul Man 2. Yeah.

My fucker going to Columbia University. Yep. Yep. So we got to do Soul Man 2. Okay, so wait. What's the hyphen? The hyphen? The hyphen.

The hyphen. The hyphen. The little colon. So it's got to be Soul Man 2. What? Is it a play on like affirmative action? Is it like a... That could be it.

Back in affirmative action. I don't know. That's a tabline. Oh, God. Jesus. Bro. This entire podcast was created for that moment. Oh, my God.

Back in the affirmative action. Oh, that's good. Oh, my. You can already see it, bro. Bill's about to shut off the line. But y'all, y'all was so good. That was perfect.

Soul Man, too. Oh, my God. In affirmative action. Where D-E-I goes to D-I-E. I'm telling you, bro. We, that is Soul Man 2. See, Thomas Howl is back. Yep.

Ray Don Chong is back. Yeah. Everybody is back for the kid who is black, but wants to pass for white. So he can get into college? So he can get into, he's into,

he's into it with his mom. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh my God. He joins like a fraternity. Like joins a friend. The whole nine. Oh my God.

And he got to act white, but it's crazy because he don't really know how. You know, he's, he's so dope at hoops. But he kind of got to act like he's got to act.

Oh, he got to put on that Morgan Walling. He got to be, he's listening to young thug in future. And he's saying along, saying to Edward. They're like, yo, you say it too, bro?

Yeah. That's a funny scene We didn't know how cool Oh, can you down Alright man That's a funny scene But here's the thing He's gonna be out

He's gonna see some sisters He's gonna be looking back And they like Oh, like what? Come on, we thought you was one of the bun But he's gonna be exalted to the leader of this white fraternity Right

Right He's or maybe he's black I don't know I can't crack the story But this is good This is good bones This is good bones And by the way

Fuck it I would make this movie I don't give a fuck what people say. You want to make this movie. Give me a rights to something. And it's a very serious issue passing. It's a very serious issue passing. Okay, here's the thing.

Do you keep it a comedy or is there like a profound message at the end where we're like... Oh, fuck all that. Soul Man 2. Back in affirmative action. Now, here's a thing. As we're all producers on this, you know who I think we need to get in? Would you let Michael Rappaport anywhere near this? You know

Racial teacher Not anything personal against Michael Rappaport He just I'm saying But he could You know Higher learning

He can Now he's a racist teacher Yeah Racist teacher One of the dads Of the guys At the frat

Who else is up in this bitch Okay So it's Rappaport So Timmy's our lead Timmy's our lead Right Do we need somebody That's a little bit more

Black looking than Timmy No I because here's a thing I think you could give him The fade And he could Oh my God Yeah

And then he's like he's got to grow it out and like do like a little. But we need somebody that, that's, we need somebody that's a little fucking beige or mom or some shit. Who's the white dude from the, from the Atlantis's everybody? Tell me, no, remember the one where it was just like, none of them were in it. Who does he, he talks to Kevin, Ken, Kevin Samuels is in that one? I don't remember. Wait, the dude who's, is he trying to pretend to?

No, he's going to school and he looks white, but he's actually black. You don't remember this? Man, I don't. But, like, we need somebody like, we need like an Isaiah Hardinstein. I'm about say you could get Chet in there or Isaiah Hardinstein. One of those dudes who, like, love to be black.

And it's like a cameo. Like, it's like James Sequence. And he's just like, yo, man, like, this being white stuff is hard. It's like, it's actually not that bad. Honestly, I'm about to, I'm about to put Jack Harlow in this bitch. Jack Harlow.

He's got to be doing the music. But we need some, We need somebody in real life who's black, though. That's the problem. We need somebody in real life who's black. The actor actually has to be... Pete Wentz. Black.

Right? We need the actor... Like, something like that, right? Because the actor actually has to be black. White-skinned young actors. Who's like the whitest? Hey, by the way, we're going to put this movie together. TM.

And talk about it more because we're way off the beating path. Right. We got two picks. Oh, shit. Okay. Sorry, we were. Okay, who was picking now? It's me.

Gus, if you look down the list, it's only dudes. We've only picked men on this. The racism has been a sausage fest. The racism has been a sausage fest. Let's open it up. Inclusive in our, yeah. Let's be inclusive in our racism. Oh, I think I know where you're going.

Gus. I mean, I could have picked this for Oscar, but. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Going wildcard is the only option. I got left. the blind side. Yes. Sandra Bullock's character.

Amen. Like when the movie came out, we were like, man, look how these white folks took this guy in, man. And they turned him to an NFL pro. Man, he's out to win the Super Bowls with Joe Flacco, man. That's real. Wow. Then, like, a couple years ago, by now we go, actually,

he actually had a family. He had, like, a bed. The whole thing was just fabricated and orchestrated to make these white people look good. Ah, it's not really. It really doesn't flush anymore. And it's tough. Now, we look back.

What was doing with the blindside? That was crazy. The amount of times I watched the blind side in high school, like that was the movie where all the teachers is just like we got. Really? Dog. I watched the blind side so many times. Any single time, like, they was like hungover or whatever.

They're just like, all right, it's movie day. Blindside. I'm like, why are we watching the fucking blindside? In high school, we got put on to remember the Titans like 20 times. Oh, remember the Titans is another. But remember Titans is a class. But that's a great movie. Yeah.

Ryan Gosson can't guard, but it's fine. Yeah. It was good. Blindside is, I never had a bed before. Right, yeah. That's crazy. And they was Duncan. What, like, they had the nigga Duncan.

Catching lobs and shit. What, all right, what else? What's the next thing? Steve's got the last one. That's my wild card. So, in my, like, extracurricular research, Disney should have been its own category. Oh, yeah, Disney's past.

We have a lot for that. I'm going to pick from, from there, the crows from Dumbo. That was when, that was when it was like told to me that something was bad. I had only seen it when I was like six when I saw Dumbo, but my parents told me why those crows were bad. And ever since then I was just like,

it got me like inquisitive as to why. And that was like, it was a formative moment seeing those crows. And for no, not for good reasons. I did not know that one of the crows was named Jim Crow. Yeah. Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't forgot about that. Yeah. It's nasty racism. This is honestly, and this is, because I went to a black-ass kindergarten, they put on Dumbull all the time. Yeah. They wasn't telling us nothing about the crows. Why would they, right? They're just all those things where, like, people have an opportunity like, oh, we're going to throw this little thing in here and we're going to be like.

And it's just like. And it's how it's like, for a kid, they sneak it. Yeah. Yeah. They try to see it. You're not going to be like, man, that's offensive. But time you're older, it's like, it doesn't matter. movie came out in 1941

you know like that's really not again clearly not a thing they're worried about now or then now it's like yo that is legitimately like awful but here's the thing to Steve's point Disney was doing that shit like a lot of car song of the South Song of the South the Cats

from Lady in the Tramp we got oh my God what was the other one it's deeply ridded in Disney for some reasons that if we talk about them we'll never be invited to another screening to give me yeah I mean I mean, they do that. They join all the other students.

But, but, but, like, they keep those things on Disney Plus. Like, they put warnings that, like, hey, this was wrong then. This is wrong now. We're not going to erase the thing that we did. But we also know that this story was beloved. So here's the thing. I have to respect that, by the way. Sure.

Yeah. I have to respect the understanding that sensitivities and things change. Mm-hmm. But the only thing that you can do, people always say, you know, don't judge the past by today's standards, that's stupid. That's what human beings do. We judge everything by the standards that we're in right now. Sure.

We judge hunger today by the standard of eating. There might have been a time in human history where if you ate once in three days, you were pretty good. Or if you ate once a day, you were pretty good because there was different access and availability of food. Right. Right now, if you're only eating once a day or once every other day, we're not going to say, oh, that's what you do because you're out looking for a fucking bore. You judge hunger by today's standards. You judge racism by today's standards. Contemporary standards matter. They matter. There was a time where kids worked 12 hours a day and nobody gave a fuck until somebody went, you know what? We don't think kids should be working 12 hours a day. They're kids. They should be going to school. They should be going to school. So we're judging the way they were.

treated then by today's standards. The only thing that we can't be sure of now is that today's standard is the best standard because now we see a very noted and public push to push things back to yesterday year. I mean, and that's why, like,

to your point, like this was, I remember this was happening around COVID, all the protests where all of these companies were like super scared or they're like putting these messages. And now, fast forward to 2025, these motherfuckers don't care. They're basically just like, yeah, we're not putting black people up in these movies anymore. We barely put women in these movies.

Honestly, if you don't look like Steve, we're not putting you in these movies. So, like, sometimes I'm like, eh. I was, when I was like, you know, I had a list of characters I had on my list, but then I was, like, kind of scratched my brain to find some. I was doing some Googling. And all of the articles are from, like, 2016 to 2021. Yeah. Right.

Everything that you can find about, like, funnic, racial, serotyperish characters are all, like, a specific time frame. Yeah. And then after that, we're just kind of like, who cares? You know, ah,

it happened now. It doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. Oh, great, Steve. No, no,

because it's got me thinking because as I saw all of those things from like my childhood of like, I loved all those Disney movies and all those things that were bad about it.

And I still love them. Yeah. And I think about like, okay, am I going to show my kid like Peter Pan? Am I going to show my kid Dumbo? They'll have a lot of,

and am I going to make those moments teachable? rather than acting like they didn't happen. I mean, I'll show them. I don't give a crap. But I understand. It's like, it's like, shit ain't perfect.

No. Or hopefully we get new adaptations to show kids or whatever. Yeah. Like shit ain't perfect. It's not perfect. And it made me realize the difference between glorifying a bad past

and erasing it. Wow. Well, I mean, some of it has to be erased. Burn the plantations down. Right, exactly. But we don't put up those statues. We don't have this thing.

What we don't erase, we discuss. Exactly. That's it. I mean, in my household, they wasn't even worried about the cartoons. My grandparents were just like, sit down and look at these photos of your people being clinched. I was like, there you go. Like, it's like, they didn't give a fuck about the movies. They're like, whatever.

Boy, we did. I feel like this was a very successful part. We parted. Yeah, I got to be honest with you. We made a whole movie. The Soul Man thing blew my fucking movie. Wait, but I got to read down all of our picks. Go for it.

Then you had Terrence and True Lies. Mark Watson and soulman Joseph in the Godfather, Stephen and Django and Chain, Remy and Higher Learning. I had Jar Jar Jor Pink's and the Phantom Menace, Daisy from Driving Miss Daisy, Derek from American History X, Jimmy from Pulp Fiction, and Latrell from White Chicks. Jomey has Trevor, aka the Mandarin, Iron Man 3, Lazarus, Tropic Thunder, Mickey Rooney, and Breakfast at Tiffany's, Hans Landa in Inglorious Bastards. And what's her name in the one? Leanne Tui. Sandra Bullock. Sandra Boone.

All right. Steve had Schizophrenia Belflap in Revenge of the Fall In, Detective James Carter from Rush Hour, the entire cast of Crash, Calvin Candy and Django Unchained, the Crows and Dumbo. Steve might have actually did his thing.

Steve did his thing. Steve really did his thing. All right, guys, before we get out of here, were there any picks that you were, you were surprised, didn't go. We didn't get the do from 16 candles. No, we didn't do a Pino from Do the Right Thing.

16 candles is crazy because there's also racism that I didn't remember, because at one point, Molly Ringwald's homegirl in the beginning is talking about what type of guy she's, like, interested in, and she thinks she said black guy. She's like, black guy. And Molly Ring was like, no, I said pink.

And I was like, what the fuck? How would you mess that up? I was like, what so fuck? Chris Mannix from Hateful Eight, Walter Goggins. Right. Scarlet Johansson and what you would call it? Ghost of the show. Is that racist or the show?

We should have. I guess we should have had a scroll to crazy. Yeah. Jake Gyllenhaal and Prince of Persia. Oh yeah, that's right. Miles, uh, what's the dude?

Miles Quorridge from Avatar. He hated them and did. Well, it was aliens, but I guess that can't. No, but I mean, you're just like, Fisher Stevens in short circuit. Yeah, that's a big one. We didn't do Pino from Duda right there. Yeah, yeah.

Talk about that. The dude from, um, 42, Alan Tudic. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Barangela Beckwith from Ghost of Mississippi. He played James Woods, who's racist. Also, we didn't do, I'm proud of us.

We didn't do the easy thing where we just went with slave movies. I thought that that was too easy. Easy. I looked at it. I didn't want to be the guy who picked any slave movies. I mean, outside of Django, really. I mean, Django, yeah, Django's a slave movie. More of a Western, but yes, a slave movie.

Our slave movie. We could have had, like, we all could have picked somebody from 12 years of slave. Yeah. But that to me, I was just like, that's not really what the, draft is about to. It's not. All right. This was a lot fun.

Alleya, you have any thoughts? What? Yeah, great pod. Thank you, Alea. Did you learn anything? I'm just going to be quiet. Allaya, the silence is

death. Silence is crazy. Leia, we hope that we can have you, you know, learning from us. So, thank you.

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yeah hello arena what's that drop that drops this week right this week comes out Thursday Friday yeah oh daddy are you guys excited about ballerian yeah yeah be fun Charles does there was a lot of reshoots any single time I hear about that show?

I don't know why they keep showing John Wick, though. I would have liked to have a surprise. Yeah, I would love that to be a surprise. You got to sell tickets. Come up. That's a wrap. This week on reverse feed. Howsevar has an interview with Tony Gilroy,

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