The Ringer-Verse - The X-Men Draft | Mint Edition

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

There’s a draft combine in the Danger Room! Listen in as Jomi, Steve, Kerm and special guest Daniel Chin dive into some of their favorite mutants in an X-Men draft in celebration ‘X-Men 97’. Along the way, the guys get into some of their favorite X-Men film, television, and comic book moments. Hosts: Jomi Adeniran and Steve Ahlman Guests: Daniel Chin and Jonathan Kermah Producer: Jonathan Kermah Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Steve Alman. I'm Jimmy Dinneran. And today, we've got a great show for you today in celebration. And in anticipation, but mainly celebration of X-Men 97. We're going to be giving you a great X-Men draft talking about probably some of the craziest characters in all of Marvel that, like, it's been a minute since we've ever actually talked about the X-Men in earnest. And I'm excited for this week to really get to. cracking. Oh, I can't wait. I'm so locked. Are you excited for 97?

I am dummy excited for 97. Now that we might know a thing or two, we just might. But before we begin, some programming reminders. Tomorrow on the House of Our Feed is the debut of the Three Body Problem Book Club episode. Be sure to get caught up on that

massive tome before Monday. This Thursday, Midnight Boys will be giving you their instant reactions to Invincible and the debut of X-Men 97. And on Friday, Hassabar is going to be giving you their deep dive onto the first episode of the three body problem

on Netflix. But today, we talked about it before. We got an X-Men draft, Jomey. But we can't do it alone. We drafted our own team to help us out here from his own

ex-mension in New York City reporting live. Daniel Chin. It's Daniel Chin. Thanks for having me back, guys. Of course. What's going on? We would love to have you.

How have you been pretty good. Loving the singing, Jomi. Thank you. Can I just say some? I'm doing well over here. Can I just say some real quick? There's a lot of Dan C's at this company. There's, there you got Daniel Chin, obviously.

You got Danny Chow of Ringer MBA, you know, love his writing on basketball, all things related. And you've got Dan Comer of the fact, the fact checker. on the copy desk. A lot of Dan Cs out here at the ringer.com. What a great website. Only one Daniel chin though. Only one DC. That's right.

A lot of Daniels, a lot of Danis. We had Dan Devine too, but we got Danny Chow back. So, you know, the Daniels are still going strong. Well, despite DC being here,

we are going to be talking Marvel. But before we finish talking about Marvel, we're going to have our X-Men expert, Marvel, pretty much CEO at this point, looking like Rock the Dwayne Johnson in the studio today. Rock the Dwayne Johnson.

Rock the Dwaynes Johnson. Rock the Dwayne's Johnson. Oh, whoa, whoa. Oh my God. That's how I'm going to introduce today? That's insane. Rock the Dwayne Johnson is crazy. Wow.

It's crazy. I was going to make a joke about how I changed my name to Daniel, you know, adding to the D's. Can't do that now. I'll do that joke. What the fuck? Wow. It's producer Kerm, everybody.

We're happy to have. you looking fresh today. How you feeling? I'm feeling great. And I've been waiting, baby. I had a draft board ready years ago. I've been waiting for this moment. I'm about to dominate y'all today.

It's going to be like... It's probably true. Yeah, no, you're going to be every verse of dreams and nightmares today. I used to pray for times like this. Meek mill jokes right now, Steve. Not today. Oh, man.

Not today. I thought we cleared this. All right. We got a lot to talk about. Also, before we begin, light spoilers for some general X-Men lore. We might talk about the TV show. We might talk about the original.

We might talk about some comic stuff. It's all going to be scattered in there. The rules of this draft. All right. We're getting five picks each. We are drafting our own X-Men team. We're not going to exactly talk about team cohesion. We're not going to talk about who's going to be.

We could, though. We could. But that's not exactly going to be the factor here. We're going to be talking about our favorite, some of the best X-Men and mutants that were to grace the page of the silver screen, the big screen, comic book pages, and everything in between. So we get five picks each.

Snake draft order. When we say X-Men, we pretty much just mean all mutants. We're not going to talk about who's going to be on what side when. This is just going to be our blanket umbrella term for all mutants, good guys, bad guys, everything in between. Because there's a lot of characters here. People have been switching sides. We've done a lot of stuff in these years. and this is going to be using our expertise, mainly from Kerm, to talk about some of the reasons that we, why we love these characters.

We can talk about favorite arcs, we can talk about favorite TV shows, favorite movies, things that we're looking forward to in the next X-Men show. Pretty much a great excuse to talk about some of our favorite characters. But first, Kerm, you have the random number generator to start our order, and you have just as much stake in this as you. I'm not going to cheat, y'all. I wouldn't do it.

No, DeVern. No dominion voting machines here. Absolutely. So before we do this, Jomi's going to be number one, Steve two, Daniel three, me four, let's generate.

Okay. For the first overall pick of the 2024 X-Men draft. Oh boy. The lottery pick goes to three. So you have the first pick game. Get out of silver on the line.

This is like the frozen envelope. See, Daniel's like you want to see it. I wasn't going to say nothing. Daniel tagged last season. I can flip the screen again. We're rewarding incompetence here. No, that's fine. Okay.

Second overall pick. Oh, you know, I got to take three out now, right? Yeah, you do. So now I become three. Or just re-roll and then until you get to something that's not three. Changed it. Changed. Either way.

I'm now three. Jomey's one. You're still two, Steve. Great. Boom. Two. Steve has the second overall. Okay.

All right. Between me and Jomi. For the third pick. so I'm three So if it rolls two I'm gonna keep rolling Sure sure sure Okay

Two again So we're gonna roll again Jomi has the third pick I have the third pick I have the fourth pick All right I really wanted the third pick I'm not gonna lie to you

But we'll see how this goes Kerm on the turn is actually That's a little hope we needed I like the term But like the third I'm worried my first pick Is going to get eaten up But we'll see

We will see I really Here's the thing I really don't know How Kerm is going to be playing this Like I have a sleigh idea But like he's got pretty much the encyclopedic knowledge of

all X-Men canon ever so he can make a justified case for like he can move and shift at any turn here. Yeah, I definitely don't have a hundred percent encyclopedia because there's way too many fucking characters. I understand that, but like if you if someone gets sniped from you, you could probably

recombobulate here. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. All right. Daniel Chin with the first round pick, give it to us. All right, well, I feel like there's really only one first round pick. I mean, first off or all pick here. I could be wrong. I don't know what guys were planning, but it's got to be Wolverine for me. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't even really know how much I got to say about Wolverine.

This guy's, like, got to be the most iconic X-Men, let alone, like, one of the most iconic comic book characters of all time. And, I mean, like, Hugh Jackman, too. Like, there's, I don't even know where to begin. That's the thing with the character. Like, it was always popular, you know, in the comics. But Hugh Jackman, his life action role, just, like, turned him into one of the, most popular comic characters of all time.

And it also made Hugh Jackman a star. Yeah. Like back in the day, he was known on Broadway. He was, he's done like romantic comedies, but like a, like a known entity, but X-Men made him a star. And it was more or less a role that he is both loved and been born to play since its inception. Kerm, how hard is it going to be to cease anybody else take over that role? I think it's going to be really difficult, but as a short king myself, I can't wait to see a canon Wolverine.

I need a hashtag make Wolverine short. Yeah, 5-2 jacked motherfucker. That's what I need for my Wolverine in the future. But yeah, no, Wolverine, you had to make the number one pick, Daniel. He's like, he's been on so many teams. X-Men and non-X-Men. He's a great team player, you know. If you're looking at this from a draft standpoint, chemistry's there, all that.

Even if he's a lone wolf, you got to take him the number one over the one. I get it. I get it. And, like, Logan, like, remains one of my favorite superhero movies of all time, too. Like, there's so many picks you could choose from just Wolverine, so. I think, I think that's a magnificent first pick. And, I mean, ubiquitous first pick, for sure. And then it comes to me.

I genuinely didn't know how prepared I was going to be for this, because, like, please fuck up. I hope, I don't. I hope I don't. Okay. There's so many characters, bro. There's so many. There's so many.

It's really the order. It's really the order that I'm trying to figure out here because it's going to be so long until I come back here. With the second pick, I am taking I'm going with my heart. I'm going with Magneto. You bitch.

I'm taking Magneto. Okay, of course. Of course this is coming to me. I like that. I like that pick. This is not a... Okay, no, no, it's cool. It's cool.

It's an X-Man draft. We literally talked about this. We literally talked about this. No. I'm within my rights here. I'm within my rights. Here's my thing. But you got at least like...

I'll let you cook first and I'll defense this. You at least pretend to take this seriously. Like, as an X-Man draft, you feel me? Like, I guess we are drafting like all mutants. But at the same time, like, you know what? We don't... You know what? You do what?

You do what? You don't establish rules and then you immediately say that I can't follow the rules. I'm not saying you're not following the rules. I'm just saying like... You just don't like how I follow them. I just don't like how you... Exactly. I don't like how you...

Exactly. I don't like how you follow the rules. See, Jome, I feel you, if you're looking at it from a big screen perspective, yes, Magneto has always been antagonist, even though he's kind of played, he's hovering the line, him and Charles Xavier, you know, best friends, maybe more if you think into it too much. But, like, in the past, like, 15 years, dude has been on the right side of, I guess, herodom within the comic book world. And in, like, the 90s and 80s, like, they flip-flop with it. So it's like, it makes sense. I'm not going to lie, Magneto was very high on my draft board. I don't know if I would have went first round, but I was hoping to get him on. in the second room.

So, great pick, Steve. I hate you. It's why, here's why I have to pick Man You knew first, because as a, like, let's take comics out of this. Like, as an antagonist in fiction, from his origins to his entire philosophical outlook on a political struggle that's, like, kind of the reason why X-Men are, like,

an amazing property to begin with, he is at the center of that. He is half of the coin that's in the center of that. I don't think that there has ever been a type of antagonist that, like, you also can empathize with, understand, and still look at as a foil to everything that things stand for. Like, we talk Thanos, we talk Killmonger about villains that have, were like, you did this the wrong way, but I understand. Like, you had a point.

Thanos was right. Kilmager was kind of right. And Magneto is also right. He sees the world in a way that, like, is not necessarily about coexistence, but about prosperity. And he goes about it in a very, very, like, wrong way.

And it makes for an amazing character. And I love his character so much. Now, Magneto is one of the most complex and thought-out characters in comic book history. Just like from, like, from his origins all the way till now, It's just very well done. And to Kermm's point, he's one of the most seminal characters

like we've had in a long time. So like picking him second, sure. I wouldn't have done that? Not really. But, you do you, boss. Also, when we, can we, like, I think within a sub-draft of this, I think we need to pick who has the best fits

outside of all of these. And I don't, and I think Magneto's pretty sharp, but I might have a couple more. That helmet is crazy. I don't know if you guys, you guys probably do know this, but I read this, like, I think like kind of recently, was that for a long time, that Magneto helmet was just for, was just for fun.

That was the craziest shit. He just had it on. It wasn't until the movies where they were like, oh, well, it's to keep Charles', his mind. For Charles' thoughts. I was like, yo, so for like 50 years he just had that thing on him? Like, you just had that fit all? That's crazy.

I used to think that I could be a hat person, but not Magneto to just be a full-on helmet guy. Just a full-on helmet, dude, man. It's nuts. Steve, do you have a favorite version of Magneto that you had in mind here? Oh, God. I mean, honestly, I like the Magneto color way. I'll say that.

Like, it's red, it's purple, and occasionally, like, dark variants of all of those things. It's like that, you got to have some good fit. We got better fits coming, but I'm good for this. So for the most part, that's me. All right. It's my turn. Show me. Don't fuck me over here, bro, bro.

I mean, I think I know what you're going to. I know exactly who you're going to pick, right? And the problem is, even if I do pick that person, you still get the turn. So you still get to pick two people that I'm pretty sure are, like, pretty solid. So ultimately, I can either go with my gut or just be a dick. Here's the thing, Kerm's going to cook regardless. So I think you just got to do you.

Like, he's going to be fine. That's fair. He's going to be fine. I'm going to do me. I'm going to do me. But you know why? Because we're friends. And I like you.

word. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to take Professor X. Let's go! I knew exactly. Fuck that guy.

You go first. You go first. Yo, what you got? First off, fuck Charles Xavier. All my homies hate Charles Xavier. He was on my draft list as undraftable. Not a, he's a fraud. He's a fraud.

Everybody looks at him as this good motherfucker. Fuck him. He's a manipulator. Damn, are you? Jesus. He's a fraud. He's a gaslighter. Muffucker is very controlling and tries to pretend like, you know, I'm the, I'm the greater good.

No, he's got a god complex. There's a lot of motherfuckers that he's let mutants die and the sake of humans. Fuck that guy. Great pick, though. Thanks, Jeremy. Damn, so. Wow, Magneto ranks higher for, for Carmen. Magneto is right.

Undraft. And this is what I get for being a good person because who's your, who's your pick? Oh, Storm. Interesting. Storm. Huh. Okay. And we'll get into that after you explain your...

We'll answer that. No, no, no. I mean, it's cool. I mean, Professor X, again, one of... Legendary characters, despite Kerm's rant earlier. You know, I think...

I mean, when they envisioned a Magnino and Charles Xavier, it was M. O.K. as Charles and... What's his name? Malcolm X? Malcolm X. You know? I had, you know what I'm saying?

How do you feel about the Jean-Carl Esposito cross? I don't want to talk about it. it. Denzel. I'm here for you. I don't want to talk about it. Well, here's the thing, right? I don't want to erase the whole, you know,

Holocaust. Well, of course that. Of course not. Yeah. Like, that's not the problem. That's not at all. Like, cool. Y'all do, like, of course,

Ed's is central to his character. You cannot take that away from him. Sure. Right. Yes. Cool. That is, by and large, you need that, right? John Carlo Esposito was like,

Charles, if I'm playing him, you're not going to be in a wheelchair. It's like, all right, all right, you missed it. In his defense, though, Charles, one, has spent so many eras of hating himself for being in the wheelchair, and then eras where they take him out of the wheelchair for reasons that don't usually make sense.

And it's like, at this point, there's probably almost an equal number of, maybe not equal, but especially in the past 20 years, there's almost more footage, pages of him outside of a wheelchair than in it, and he's so anti, like, handicapped people that it's like,

he's better off not being in a wheelchair. Borderline ableist? Yes. Literally. So it's like he's like a terrible representation of a motherfucker in a wheelchair because he doesn't want to be in it. He looks at it as weakness and doesn't look at it as like you can still be a powerful human being just because you have this disability does not define you. But he's the exact opposite of that. And that's why we hate that nigga on this side. I was going to say the hatred.

Wow. I like Patrick Stewart. Patrick Stewart is so real. Patrick Stewart's pretty cool. Patrick Stewart's really great. I mean, you can't be a layman coming to this draft with Curve. Very much so. I mean, ultimately, like, I mean, to talk about Patrick Stewart, his portrayal of Charles Xavier,

again, the X-Men, X-Men, for all the movies that kind of suck, they did really good with some of the casting. E. McKellen as Magneto. Very good. Wolverine, obviously. And Patrick Stewart, as Charles Xavier, is pretty good. I mean, his stuff in Logan, when he's, like, kind of out of it is so different, but at the same time, It just speaks to how well he knows the character and how great of an actor that Patrick Stewart is.

You're watching, like, wow, I'm really watching one of my, not my goats anymore, apparently, but one of the legends in the game goes senile, and it hurts. Like, it hurts to watch that happen on screen. See, another reason why he sucks. Killed his whole team as an old man. Let's just keep adding on to it, bro. Fuck that guy.

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Let's do it, Kerr. Talk about Storm. So I chose Storm because, one, she's a goddess. Queens, queen, yeah. Representation matters. For the people voting at home, notice I'm the only one that drafted, you know, somebody black in this first round. All right, all right. All right.

That drafted a woman. Drafted a woman in the first one. It's women's history. Have some shame. Okay. This is crazy. That's crazy to me. This is crazy pandering.

What do you do? It's not going to get you, both. That's terrible. But real shit, though, like Storm is just one, I think between her and Gene, like, they're the two most powerful X-Men off-rips. So there's no reason not to pick her. She's also, I think, the best leader of the X-Men. Honestly, I think Cyclops is great in many ways, but Storm beat Cyclops's ass in a one-v-one with no powers in the 80s in the Chris Claremont era, just to prove how great of a leader and, you know, strategy she is.

And currently the run of X-Men Red with Storm as like this queen goddess of the terraformed version of Mars, Arako, and some of the best stuff I've seen of her as a character in, you know, recent years. And for that reason, she's got to be my first overall. Quick question. Yes. You said she's on the terraformed planet of what? Mars, it's called Iraqo.

It's called Iraqo? Yeah. because it's the twin island to Krokoa. So it's got the same letters. It's like Krokoa back. Yeah, but you know what that sounds like. Lisa don't get you. I was waiting.

You're ready. You're ready. Lisa, not a babe. No. Storm is one of the legends of the X-Men. I think what's really interesting, you mentioned her as a leader. One of the things that X-Men Evolution did really well

was make her like so important. to the team. Yeah. Right? Like, one of the adults. One of the adults. Like,

Charles is there, obviously. But Storm is really the one, like, doing, like, the day-to-day stuff, like, really, like,

being, like, being a presence for the team that I, like, I'm watching it, like, yo,

this is great. Storm is awesome. I don't know, Storm. I've always liked the character of Storm, obviously. But in that,

like, specific show in that series, they do a very, very good job of making her, like, so important to the team.

I love it. is Storm's portrayal in film the worst version of that? This is not Hallie Berry's fault. I'm not trying to disparage Halliberry Hallibary at all. But like, of any of these portrayals that just get the character wrong, I think it's pretty safe to say that Storm is not that well represented on the big screen. My favorite part is when she loses the accent. She has the accent in movie number one.

Movie number one. It doesn't have it in three. That's crazy. But yeah, no, I don't blame Halliberry, even though that's like, I don't know if that's on Hallie Berry. I mean, somebody could have been like, hey, man, we're not. Yeah. Somebody's like, hey, we're not doing that no more.

But, yeah, like, the writing, they, in the movies, they diminish Storm to just, like, role player status when it's just known in the comics that, like, it got to the point where, like, they had to remove her powers in the 80s because she was so powerful that, like, she was just like, the, anytime we have an issue, Storm's going to figure it out. Like, you have to find ways to write her out of the storylines because she's that special. And they never made her feel like that special once. Like, she controls all this weather. And there's never any major scenes you can think of where it's like, damn, Storm really saved everybody's asses like that in those movies.

She electrocutes Toad, electrocutes The Fast Lady, I don't know who are named was going to see in the third one. It's like they don't give her justice in those movies, justice for Storm and Halliberry. Because like I don't blame Hallie Berry. I refuse to blame her. You guys, I got a question real quick. Do you guys know what happens when you electrocute the Toad? Same thing as everything else, dog. It's a crazy line.

She was even less important in the more recent trilogy, too. I think to Jomey's point, having her being one of the elder statesmen was a choice that has made a lot more sense. Because in the newer one, she's like one of the young, like newer members after first class. Like she's like with the younger like Scott.

And that never really makes sense to me. It didn't really work to me. Yeah, it didn't work to me at all. She's such a regal, like, figure. She's a queen. She's a queen. Literally. She, she actually,

that is like in her character. So. 100%. All right. You go again. This is a tough one. I got two things pulling me in opposite directions. Like I can go with my favorite character ever because I don't think they're making it eight picks.

Of course not. And you know this. Probably not. So actually, you know, I think my next third pick, I think that's still going to be there. It's going to be fun when I bring it up. I'm going to go ahead and fuck it. You know, there's people on the board higher than this person. But fuck it.

I know they're going to get taken and they're like the rightful good. Like they're the most pure of. characters within the X-Men world. I'm going to go ahead and take my man's Kurt Wagner. I'm going to take Nightcrawler. It's very early, very high on the backboard, but I know he's a fan fan fan. I mean, Nightcrawler is amazing. I'm just like, yes.

Oh, I know this. I know what left here. I know. Whoa, whoa, time out. This might be a Joy LaForge. It's how? It might be. How?

Mike Roller is going to be iconic. No, no, no, no, no. There are five, we've drafted five people. Think of the names left on the board. Oh, I know. Think about the names left on the board. Let's be for real right now I know what I'm doing

Okay I trust you Look It is gonna be a minute So you think again curse We when it's all set and done When we look at the board We have to be honest

That's all I'm asking you fellas For a little bit of honesty When it all comes down to it I feel it I'm going off of No this is a heart This is a heart pick It's hard for sure

Like for me I'm going I'm going This is definitely a heart pick I'll admit that That's fair And it's like I know He's not last in seven picks I know the three picks that are coming out.

You had to have Nightcrawler on my team just for the sake of my sanity. I couldn't watch him go somewhere else. I'm like for a different franchise. I just couldn't happen. Couldn't happen. I would have picked him. I would have picked him if you hadn't. So it wouldn't have come back around you.

So I'll accept that loss. If I lose it because of that, I don't. Also, I know the real niggas know on ex-tweeters, they know about Kurt, man. On ex-Twitter. Wow. So it's X-X. This is two X's X, X, X, Twitter.

Ex-Spoilers Twitter. Let's say it that way. So y'all know what I'm talking about. They got love for Nightcrawl over there. They know what I'm saying. So if I lose this draft because I play with my heart, so be it. It's tough. I mean, the thing about the Nightcrawler character is awesome.

Fantastic. First time I see him, X2. I'm like, yo, this is mad cool. I love to see this character again. And then we don't. Exactly. Right. Loki, one of the best parts, X2, one of the most iconic opening scenes.

scenes. That was coming. Crushing it. Cushed it. Cursed it. Insanity. And they're like, you know, not bringing them back.

It's not going to be able to this time. Yeah, we just. I have a theory like if he was in X-Men last stand. I'm not saying he's propping everything up, but it's going to be a little bit. He's a little bit. He's a floor razor. For sure. There's no saving that movie, though.

He would not. And then what? We get him again in, um, apocalypse. If, if I'm correct. Yes. Yeah. He's a different, obviously, different actor. Um, different role.

But yes. Apocalypse as well. That movie stunk. Not great. Not saving that one either. Not saving that one either. I mean, I want to see more of Kurt Wagner in just, I mean, X-Bain media, right? Like, again, Evolution.

He's awesome. Favorite character in X-Men Evolution. Really? Easily. I mean, they do kind of make him a pretty good. They give him a lot of arcs. They do. They do.

There's a point where, like, the season, once the mutants are exposed as mutants, he still has his inhibitor and he has to learn because he's dating that girl. Yeah, he's dating old girl and he has to learn to be I guess comfortable in himself as a mutant and be willing to essentially stand with his brothers and sisters that are now

looked at as other. When he's been looked at as others whole life like that takes a lot of courage and obviously he gets a lot of encouragement from those around him shitting on him for not standing with his family but like to come in and expose your blue skin like that when you know the world's gone already hates mutants in general but you are

also like other, even in the world of mutendom, that's powerful. So that's my dude. Jomi can hate all he wants, but the real ones, no. I love Nichralla. I just kind of feel like he would have been available later. All right, Jomey. My turn, man, I could go. So I'm going to take Cyclops.

Let me get Cyclops at, all right, at six. Here's the thing about Cyclops, right? And I'm going to be honest with you, fellas, right here, okay? I hated Cyclops for a long time. He was my op, because, you know, again, my first thing was the movies. Getting into the X-Men original series until, like, the pandemic. So I'm watching movies. I'm like, this guy is the worst Wolverine just trying to get,

trying to get, you know, with Gene and you all you are, like, solving this game. Like, what happened to the game I love? You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't. If Psychoth says no more haters, I'm dead. Exactly, right? Then I watched the original series. And then I watched X-Men Evolution.

And I was like, hey, man, I might have been too hard. I wasn't for a future game. He just trying to do what's best. Like he's, again, let's be very clear. He's a square, right? Like 90 degree angles on all sides. Just the most basic, boring. He's that one dude in class where there's five minutes left and y'all ready to go.

And he's like, teacher, you forgot to collect the homework. He's that dude. Right. But ultimately, he's the heart of the team. Right? You need that guy to make things happen. Yes. But it's also.

I think it's the reason why I keep hating Cyclops because of his like, he's like, he's the, he's the, he's the, he's the, he's the, he's the constantly like they, I'm the eldest boy of the X-Men. He's the, he's the, he's the, he's the, he's the, he's the teacher's pets, Xavier. Yeah. Funny that you chose Xavier and Cyclops. And Cyclops. Because if, in a different world, I would have drafted Cyclops with my last pick and would have explained the, the Cyclops that I love that has been discovered in. the utopia era of the X-Men comics where he, one, he got on a shi-seisty. He looks and kind of fly with the shysseysse Cyclops version, where he's like a mutant

nationalist that is by any means. He's radical. I'm about I say, that's not the Cyclops I need. That's not the Cyclops I want. I don't want, I don't want, like, the Cyclops who's out there on January 6th. That's not who I want. Maga Mitch Summers. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want Maga Summers out here in these streets.

You know what I'm saying? That's not, make meetings great again. That's not what we're trying to do over here. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not it. I just, like, Boy Scout, you know, like very square, but ultimately just wants to do the right thing, Cyclops. That's what I, that's what I want, you know.

Well, you, you're hating on me. You hateing on me, man. I'm just trying to do the right thing. You know what I'm saying? Get the class on time. Get to bed, 8.30, right? What do you eat for dinner? It's milk, okay?

And toast. That's it. That's boring basic. I bet your X-Men team has like Bible study and shit, man. Bible study, man. I'm not rocking with it. I mean, you know, 6 a.m. gym, you know, six a day in danger room. You feel me?

All right, shower, go to school. Come back, three o'clock, 3.30. Or are you lifting weights? We back in. All right. Then from 530 to 7.30 is study hall. Get them books. Got to get them work in.

Then, dinner time, 730 to 8.30. 8.30 is bad. And we just, we can run it back. All right. Enough of all this. Give me my pick, man. That's real hoops right there. That's real hoops.

All right. All right. I got a, I'm going power now. I'm going, I'm going Gene Gray. See, here you go. Understandable. Yeah.

There's like, again, Kerr mentioned, like, arguably one of the most powerful X-Men and Mutants to ever live. A wild arc. Ups and downs like crazy. Just if we even talk about Phoenix. Are we counting Phoenix as this?

Or yes. Keep going, because I'm going to tell you why. Okay, yeah, because like, here's the thing. Like, ultimately incredibly powerful, but also incredibly dangerous. If we want to count the Phoenix era in here, that's a whole lot of problematic shit. But I think when she's, when Jean Grey is at her best, she is probably one of the most, A, useful and B, complex characters to balance everything that has, that is in terms of her powers.

To be that powerful and try to keep everything on an even keel is an insane amount of responsibility. And I really, really, really like the idea of finding balance within the family that she makes with the X-Men. And even at our worst, she can be brought back. And that's why I want to pick Gene Gray. That's real. Number two of my do not draft list was Gene Gray. If we're talking about, you know, like a psych evaluation before we're picking these people and on her draft process, like, the fact that you could become the Phoenix at any given moment can't be on my team, yo. I can't, I can't trust that.

And also, while she doesn't have the same God complex as Xavier, there's the fear of, like, she don't realize that she can be a whole bully. Like, she's like one of the mean girls that thinks she's one of the nice girls. And it's like, I'm friends with everybody. Wow. Are you calling Jean Grey a Karen? Wow. Yes. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

So it's not as far as saying, you know, fuck Jean Grey. All my homies hate Jean Grey because, like, she's still Jean Grey. But I'm just saying, wouldn't be on my team, not on my franchise, not over on this side. That's nice. So what you're saying is she like Antonio Brown where like, you know, like, man, on her best day, she can give you 13. Legend.

One of the ghosts. And four, right? But my man in locker room, you know, she might be on Instagram going crazy. You never know. She don't even know who she love every day. She don't even know. Some days it's free, some days of Scott. Like, I can't have that sort of flip-flopping on this franchise over here.

Nasty work. Nasty work. So I'm saying. I would never disrespect a woman like this during women's history. That's very true. That's very true. You got me there. You got me there.

Daniel. It's all you, buddy. All right, I got back-to-back picks here, huh? Yeah. The back-to-back is tough, I will say. I feel you now, Kerm. Mm-hmm. I don't know which order I'm doing this in,

but I think at least one of them, I'm picking Rogue. All right, right, great pick. Great pick. I love Rogue, especially in the animated series, like both the original and an evolution. I have a question. What is it about Rogue that you like in the original series? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, now.

What I will say is... Didn't answer the question, Daniel. Senator, answer the question. Answer the question. She's, you know, very, very lovely. She's a very lovely woman. Very, very lovely individual. Great hair.

Yeah. Great, great personality. The accent, right? She's a good accent. It's a great accent. It's a great accent. She can fly. And I like that.

Sugar. I love it. I just, I love it. The uniqueness of her power, too, the fact that she can take people's abilities and take their, you know, their emotions, their memories. But it's also, I think what's so. good about a lot of the X-Men characters is the tragic part of their powers. And for her,

you know, it's always a reoccurring subplot. And any movie or, you know, TV show that we have, Rogan, it's just the part that she can't really connect with other mutants, other humans. And just her being able to adjust to that and like people trying to exploit her abilities for evil and how she's able to fight against that. And I don't know, I think she's just, she's just very iconic character, no matter what form she's come in. Now, D.C., when you, you think about Rogue, do you immediately think about like Anna Pac-Wan's on-screen portrayal or do you think more about

like the cartoon comic books? Because those are very different portrayals. I won't actually say that I dislike the movie versions of Rogue because again, we make her a bit of an audience surrogant as an introduction to this world while also being

somebody who's incredibly powerful but also very dangerous to herself and others. What do you think? Yeah, no, I will say like when it comes to the movies, like, I do appreciate how, like, I think what was it, like, X2 maybe, where it was the, or maybe it was the X1,

I don't remember, when, the Cure, when, when Roe, like, tries to. Last man. That was, that was X3. Yeah. Yeah, the Cure was all last day. Unfortunately for you, buddy. Yeah, yeah. That's tough.

Well, I will say, like, because that's something that came up in the original animated series, too, like, that storyline of the Cure is not unique to that. They're definitely adapting that in that movie. And I think that's, like, she's just one of those characters where that really comes through with the challenges of being a mutant. But to answer your questions, Steve,

I usually think of like the animated series first. I've been rewatching evolution and that portrayal of her is great too. Like the flip-flopping of whether she's going to be with the brotherhood of mutants or if she's going to be with the X-Men, like I think that that is always a really interesting plot for me. But I always think of those.

I mean, her original fit in the 90s series, too, is so iconic too. Do you keep... Can you explain why that might be... The green, the green, the yellow, the... Good color ways, yeah, good color ways. The color ways. Why are we scared to say that rogue is thick?

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may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. My next pick. For your team chemistry purposes, perhaps. I'm going with Gambit right after that. Hey, all right. Okay. I'm just going with all the accents here, you know.

Now I'll get the little Cajun accent from Gambit here. Man. And you want a gambit, didn't you? Kind of did. Okay, yes or no coolest looking X-Men off Rip? I used to think that.

You think so? Used to. I think you still is. How did that change? I'm not so. One, I'm not going to slander your pick too much, Daniel. I think.

So what about my picks? Well, let me explain. There's a difference. You chose some undraftables. Steve chose some undraftables. Crazy word. To pick Gambit is very much like, it feels like a, let's just a piece

rogue pick. but Gip as a character, like, I feel like he underutilizes his power so fucking much. Like, he used it as a whole gimmick to throw playing cards. When you can literally, like, hypercharge anything to explode,

your go-to is to throw cards it, niggas, like... I mean... Listen, how much do you think he's spending on playing cards, like a month? Hold on, wait a minute. Let me look about the price of a deck of playing cards.

And it's got to be significantly harder to throw a playing card than even like a baseball. Or, like, there's so many other things... Okay, but then if he's carrying a baseball... Is it going to be carried a bag of baseballs or? What? Rocks.

A bag of peck of peck. A two pack of normal playing cards is going. You have me at $5? $5. Yeah, you go. $5 a pack. You go on Amazon, you just like, yo, don't give me what I, give me all the cards you have. No, I need you to hear me.

I didn't say as many cards you have. I mean all the cards you have. like the ex- Mansion budget is going into this dude to play party tricks with his powers every day. I'm more concerned about the price of a pack of playing cards now. What? That's insane. Man, inflation.

But still, this is Joe Biden's America. I will say, though, like, I find it really interesting that they haven't been able to bring him into live action so far. But he's, I mean, X-in Origins Wolverine.

Tough stuff from X-Men Origins Wolverine. Wow, I forgot. I totally dispeak. Wouldn't it? And honestly, lucky for you. because you did forget about that,

which we all hoped to... Deadpool in that movie, too. Must be nice to forget about that. Man, Gamma's just really cool. And I think, as you say, Kermm, unutilized potential. Yeah. Like, do you think he could be a top-tier power set

if he actually locked in? Maybe not top-tier, but also, like, a really destructive human being. Like, he could definitely do some shit. Yeah, but, like, I think, we're lucky that he's so cheap. chill. Yeah, true. We're lucky that he's just like on rogue's leash, essentially. That's just who he is as a character.

I mean, come on. Who wouldn't be? I absolutely would be. I'm thinking of team chemistry here is a real thing. You don't think about team chemistry. Thirsted over white women, but it's me. I'm the one who gets in trouble for thirsted over white women. This is crazy. This is crazy work. I see what's happening. Y'all saw my first pick.

You tried it. You tried it. Y'all saw my first. Joe me yells about this and it's a light breeze. I wonder how I would have thought if, how it would have felt, though, if Channing Tatum had been Gambit. When that casting happened, I was like, I don't know about this one. Deadpool Wolverine speculation.

Do we get Shannon Tatum's Gambit in... Oh, man, I hope not. Really? I would like it as a cameo. That'd be funny as shit as, like, as a cool cameo. Because we can get Taylor Swift, Dazzler. We can get...

We're opening a can of worms, brother. I'm a little too nervous about the amount of cameos that I feel like people are anticipating, but also like also what I'm anticipating like I think it's just so natural and easy to be thinking about the cameos for this Deadpool movie it's my pick now that's a good that's a good one too with Rogue

and uh team chemistry you know and T-Gre no no you absolutely you did it right you did it right um that's great work that's great work no it's very good okay I want actually I kind of actually want somebody to hold it down my man on the science front beast okay perfect great pick Steve enjoy it enjoy it's good Kerm you're so you're so condescendingly happy

and I don't understand. Is Beast on your undraftables? No, he's, ah! I could make a case, but I'm not going to. I'm not going to. All right. I love Beast. We actually love somebody that, like,

I love a home body. I love somebody who's just at home working and is like kind of like a good, like, not moral sensor, but like somebody that will actually like hold it down and like is very, uh, pragmatic and sweet and is very much about keeping the team together

by any means necessary. really, really, really enjoy Beast's presence. And I just, like, he's one of my favorites. Like, I love a guy that's into science. I love a guy that's, like, the gentle giant, like, the, like, the person that's, like, holding it, like, pure, like, like, you would say with Nightcrawler. Absolutely. Just like that.

Like, that's what I love about Beast. I think that's a great pick if you're going off that iteration of the character. I've been tainted by the recent comic run has made Beast into, like, this mad scientist, evil motherfucker that is similar to his era of the age of apocalypse as like just this, by any means, he chooses science and evolution over what is right and just and good. And I think that the iteration that you brought up, Steve, yes, great team player, makes perfect sense. So I'm not going to judge your pick.

It makes sense. I'm not going to hate. Okay, this is what, okay, this is what pisses me off, Kerm. What's up, what's up? All right. It's because, no matter what we pick here, you can always find a reason for it to be bad. It's a trash.

I'm trying to win. No, no, here's the thing, though. But because the lore is so deep that literally every single one of these characters has fucked up colossally. Why are the X-Men so problematic? I mean, because they're an oppressed group of people that are forced to have good morals when the world does not give those morals back to them. I think that's why they're super problematic. That's how you get a guy like Magneto, where he teeters what.

what is right and wrong. And if you look from the perspective of, I'm trying to protect my species that is being destroyed and looked at as extinct, he's a hero. Magneto is right. If you look at it from that lens

of I'm doing by any means to protect mutankind because humans aren't going to do it, you can justify him as a good guy. But yeah, that's why mutants are problematic. Then with that, what's the worst thing

that night crawler has ever done? He's pretty pure. I'm not going to do that and ruin my team. You just need to be honest. Clearly, he's not going to be. I need a character assessment here. I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure, like, his, um, he had, like, I can't confirm this guy to do more research. I think, like, one of his romantic arcs is, like, his, like, half sister or some shit or something like that, which is kind of weird. Kind of weird. Kind of weird. I'm not sure. Either way, it's kind of weird. Outside of that, he's a pretty pure dude, you know, religious, Catholic. Yeah, he's not really, like, a killer like that.

So that's why, that's why he was my second pick, because he's one of the few where you can be, like, Like, he's pretty pure through and through. So I have a question. And this spoiler alert for people, for Captain Marvel, or the Marvel's, a movie which everybody has seen, right? We've all seen. He's in that movie. Beast is in the post credits of that film, which, shout-old's Kelsey Grammer. You know, went back, did Fraser, did Beast.

You know, we got to collect a check somehow. you know, those, that boathouse don't pay for itself, right? Like, I liked Disport Trail in the OG joint and to see him in the movie with like, like, not prosthetics this time. Yeah. Fully CGI. You guys, would you guys welcome seeing Beast again? Yeah. Absolutely.

Definitely. One, I didn't mind the CGI because it made him look almost a little more traditional to like the what we're used to sing in the cartoon version with, you know, the teeth poking out. It's a tough prosthetic to pull off Because that's a lot of makeup That's a lot of things In 2003 it didn't look too bad I think it looked good But motherfuckus is not trying to just

Go into work and have to be painted blue fully All that that's how you lose Jennifer Lawrence By like the last X-Men movie Which she's like, yeah Let me die early in this film Because like I don't need to be here For this whole movie And these dumb-ass prosthetics

So like I support it I love how they use Him as kind of the reintroduction To X-Men within the MCU Just because it's like he is to your credit, Steve. It's like he's an iconic looking character of the X-Men. You see him, you know who he is.

There's no confusion on who Beast is. All right. Back to Jomey. My turn. Let me look. Let's see. There's a lot of good names left on the board. No.

All right. Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do. I'll keep it standard. I'll keep it up and right. Just take an ice man. Bobby Drake. Okay.

I think this also wins fit check. This might win fit check. For Iceman. Take Iceman. Shout out to the boy. You know, Omega-level mutant. Facts. Which I didn't know.

I did not know this. I did not know this. He can do whatever with that ice. He's always been limited by his mind more than anything of how creative he is with Iceman. So he's like on Magneto's level with just like. Yeah. If he wanted to, he could turn the whole planet into ice. Like he has endless capabilities.

He can't really like die for real, for real. like if you, as long as there's a piece of ice left, he can survive within that piece of ice and regenerate into something more. Not water ice. Oh, wow, damn. Well, he's not water, man. I understand that, but what is ice?

Yeah. That's a great question. That's a great question. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. That can't just fall apart if I just say, well, what's ice? Yeah, it is water. It is not water, but he's not water, man. He's not steam, man.

I suppose. He's not H2O, man. But like, it's say, okay, there's a glass of water right here. he can clearly do what he wants with that glass of water, right? He immediately turns into ice. Now, if you kill the physical body that, like, turn that cup into ice, he can now make his body that ice and then rebuild from that. But not if it's water.

Well, no, he turned it into ice, though. But I'm saying, but to his point, that's a great question that I don't know the answer to. Exactly. Daniel Chin. Daniel Chin, you got to bring Beast into answer this question, man. That's very true. My biggest scientific ice question is Daniel Chin, do you think Iceman is made of the good ice

or the bad ice? And when I say good ice, I mean that like pellet ice that Sonic uses in the... Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, I... That's the good ice. It was scary for a second.

I thought we're doing that that key and peel sketch. No, no. You know? That black ice. No, not bad ice. Oh yeah, no, we need the good ice. I don't know, man. But you know what I'm talking about,

like the tiny little bits of palates. You know, and I know exactly we're talking about because, uh, look into my presence on life in college, first date with this girl, and we go to this Mexican spot, and we're like, hey, this is going great, let's continue, let's go somewhere else.

She's like, wait, hold on. She takes a cup and puts full, like a, I'm talking about a large styrofoam cup, bruh, full of that ice. Of the pellet ice, the small and tiny, yeah. I'm like, you ain't got ice at home? What's the deal?

She's like, I just like to chew on it. It's, that's why it's the good ice. That's why it's the good ice. It's like, all right, man. Sure. I don't really chew water. But hey, man, you do what you got to do, pal. That didn't last, but, you know.

Listen, that's... One thing I'll say about Iceman, though, like, I really appreciate how much his look has changed so much from, like, when they first started with him where he was just straight up a snowman. You know, like, he's had one of the biggest, like, come-ups over the decades that they've been doing X-Men. Absolutely.

And hats off to you, Jomey. I think you chose the first openly gay mutant in this draft, which is representation fucking matters. That's right. So a great pick, my brother. No shade on this one. No slander at all. I wouldn't have drafted Iceman, but no, no slander.

No slander. No slander at all. He's the only thing. You didn't have to say that you wouldn't have. Here's the thing. During every draft pick, you don't have to say, I wouldn't have fucking done that. I'm trying to win.

And let's be for real. When he, Professor X came at me. Cyclops came at me. Iceman came at me. You know what I'm saying? And clearly he sees me as a threat. He's playing to win, man. I respect it.

He's playing to win right now. And this is why you can't acknowledge this. You just got to do you and ignore that. Nightcrawler in round two, everybody. We took Rogue. We took Gambit. We took Cyclops. It was between Nightcrawler and Rogue for me, and I had to choose my heart.

I had to choose my heart. It is what it is. My pick now? Yes, sir. So, I realize I don't have a telepath on my team. And my two undraftable televats have been taken off the board, which is great. Happy that they're on y'all's franchise. I want a telepath that knows they are a piece of shit

that thinks they're better than everybody else that isn't trying to sugarcoat it and pretend like they're a good person when they all up in your thoughts and shit. So that's why I'm taking Emma Frost with this pick. Wow. I'm afraid it's good. Iconic telepath has the extra power of the diamond skin.

Also, she's rich as fuck, and that's very important to an X-Men roster. No, it's very true. You got to have funding. You got to have somebody that's funding the thing. And also, and I think from Grant Morrison's run onward, Emma Frost has become just such like a funny character, how she's just so boogie. And now that she has been on the side of good,

she's always kind of like the one that, like, is willing to nudge them slightly past what is good, but still usually falls in line. Like my favorite partner of Cyclops is Emma. I think they prop each other up so well versus with Gene. I don't think that's, I'm not saying it's a toxic relationship. It's iconic, obviously, but I don't think they support each other in the same way that,

Emma is tethered to good by Cyclops and Cyclops is radicalized by Emma to a certain degree. So I'm going to go with Emma Frost with this pick. Do you think Cyclops fumbling Emma Frost was the worst thing he's ever done? That's a good question. I mean, in Avengers v. X-Men, the motherfucker took like the Phoenix

and tried to destroy the world. So that's like... Yeah, that's pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. So I'll say that's worse, but it's up there. It's definitely. up there. He fumbled. He fumbled big time. I will say that Emma Frost does win fit

check for now. Literally. One of the flyest X-Men of all time. These Hellfire Gala fits. She's there every year, by the way. It seems. She's like the host of the function damn near. So that's my first pick. Anybody going to come in

and slander me? Last question. Did she marry Tony Stark in the comics recently? Yes. Yes. Out of necessity, but it seems like they're actually like... At a necessity, bro, what? They're both super rich, right? Well, actually, both of them currently are kind of broke.

Oh, hey, hey. But in their current arcs, they're kind of broke. But because mutants were in the current arc against Orchus, who are some fascists that just want to destroy mutendom, mutants had to go into hiding. And Tony, who's pro-mutant, clearly, a good, good dude. He marries her, like, alternate identity or whatever that she's pretending to be as a way to, like, throw off the scent of, like,

some of these orcus people. So, but now it seems like they're actually falling in love with each other, which is cool. But originally out of necessity. Oh, I love that. I love like you got to put them together and then you fall in love. Big Rom-com vibes for sure. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it's like, what happens in Vegas? Like, you know, one of those type of films where it's like, we ain't, we ain't supposed to be in love. But you're trying to love in a hopeless place. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Um, my next pick, this is tough.

I have, I want to, I want to get real radical. and get reckless with the pick, but I don't know if y'all are ready for that. Go nuts. No, no, no. We're so many other times. How many times are going to do the X-Men draft? Come on.

Come on. Let's do it. Fuck it. If we're going to do it, we're going to do it right, man. I know, you know, for y'all that watch the movies and the TV shows, you're going to be like, this definitely is a chemistry problem. Oh, here, wait.

I mean, you got to. You got to, though. But I'm out here. I'm ready to draft, insabonore, aka Apocalypse, with my fourth pick, all-powerful omega-oombo. Okay. Um, and the, and the, let me explain though.

Big synergy problem here. Let me explain no. Let me explain no. Let me explain no. Let me explain. You're not taking this exercise seriously enough. Let me explain no. In the current, this is Oscar Isaac's portrayal. Oh, no, fuck though. Don't do that. Don't do that. I was about to say. In the current, um, run of X-Men Red, Apocalypse.

And, well, really, from Jonathan Hickman's era onward, apocalypse has become like this reformed being to the one where even has changed his name. What they call them? Devin? Currently, his name is now Revelation. He's now reached a point of enlightenment that he's not about war. He's about, you know, he will defend.

But he's about peace and expanding mutant kind. And I think, so that's what I want to highlight of my version of apocalypse. It's not about, you know, destroying the world and just dominate and shit. It's about furthering mutant kind and evolving as mutants and just being great people. And the reason why this works is I have checks and balances

on my roster to deal with. the whole, the evil side of it. Storm, we'll keep him in check as a leader. Yes. That's what she's currently doing in X-Men Red. Nightcrawler, the voice of good, absolutely there to help out. And so that's why I'm going to get radical and I'm going to go Apocalypse with this pick. So, Steve, we need to have a talk about having Kerm on the show.

Okay. Let's have it right in front of him. Because Apocalypse and Nightcrawler, you know what I'm saying, on the turn. Mallory would be ashamed. Actually, I think she would be very proud. I think she would absolutely be ashamed. No, she would be very proud of Kerm's performance today. Under no circumstance.

I'm thinking outside the box. You need to log back in the box. Go back into the box. You know what she would be proud is because he's shot on everybody's picks. That's true. That's absolutely true. And made it why he has the best team and none of us can even play the game. Because if you look closely, you're like, hey, yo.

I'm not going to lie. The one thing that threw up my whole draft was like Magneto going second. that wasn't supposed to happen. Magneto was supposed to go forth. Magneto and Storm were supposed to be my first two picks. And I've been trying to crawl back out of that hole ever since by any means.

If I got to step on one of y'all motherfuckers to get to the top. I'm gonna do it. Oh, man. That's, I mean, here's the thing about apocalypse, right? Even, like, we can't forget the movie because it was pretty bad. But here's the thing.

outside of the comics, has there been like a really good apocalypse rendition? Like, I'm thinking maybe the original X-Men, but not really. I don't love them the original. Evolution, I kind of like them, but again, it's like... But it's not a ton of them, though.

Yeah, not enough of them. I agree. You know, and so it's like, have we seen Apocalypse done well outside of the comics? Not really. You know, and... No, go for it.

You guys are. ever play X-Men Legends back in the day you know a video game? That's very true. Man, you just put words together that I don't know. X-Men Legends, like, I think it was the second one, Rise of Apocalypse. That game was fire.

Yeah, no, that was great. They were like some really good cutscenes. Like, there was, um, I think eventually those games turned into Marvel Ultimate Alliance. It was like one of those like... That's what I was about to say. It was Ultimate Alliance before Ultimate Alliance. Right.

But Rise of Apocalypse was like, it was almost like a Diablo-esque type of game where like you just, you picked your, team of four, they had their abilities, and you just kind of like run around and like kill enemies and dungeons-esque kind of thing. Yeah. Really good game. Very good game. A lot of really fun playable characters, great cutscenes, and just like a really good, like, co-op game for back in the day, too, when co-op games are really good. But I don't know, that's one of the only ones I can think of, and that's obviously a bit of a deep cut. So to your point, show me. It's...

Yeah. And I'll admit, that's what makes this pick a tough one and why I was thinking about going in a different direction because there isn't outside of the comics I don't think there's any real serious representation of who he can be and the fact like he's the first mutant ever and like that does matter he has like this history

and regalness to him that I don't think like I almost called him Jonathan Isaac Oscar Isaac's performance really Imagine Imagine John Apocalypse is out six to eight months his knee hurt you know dang it's tough The Orlando mutants out there.

But yeah, truly, I think he's an icon of character that, like, again, in the comics, had a whole era where they rewrote the X-Men line for a couple months because it was the age of apocalypse. Like, that's how big this motherfucker was. He changed reality as it was within the Marvel universe. And if this is a bad pick, it's really off of the fact that it's just, I'll concede. He doesn't have good media representation. He needs a better agent. Like, that's really, that's the problem.

Terrible PR team. Terrible PR team, like they have not put them in a situation to look as great as he's looked in the comic books in the past. Recent years and all time just as like a Thanos level, you know, batty, you know? Okay. Yeah, to current to current point though, like, age of apocalypse has got to be one of the most iconic like X-Men runs ever. Yes. And just the way that they actually reimagined all of those characters too was so cool. Like having like, I don't know, I remember like, night crawler with swords.

Like when they first did that, it was just like crazy. Like, just the options that he brought out was really. cool. So. Yeah. All right. Apocalypse. Controversial pick.

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So, and again, found this out recently while I'm watching the show. X-23 debuted in X-Men Evolution like she was created for the show and they were like hey man that's really interesting

what if we put her in the comics and she got super popular And she's a hit Yeah One of the most popular Yeah I was so shocked Just again I watched Logan

I'm like wow This is such a cool character Hopefully we see her again We never do see her again You know great movie Daphne King was excellent as X-23 in that movie.

I'm like, oh, well, that's unfortunate. Come back, watch X-Men Evolution. It's like, oh, look at this character again. I cannot believe that this is where they were originated from. Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost created her for the show and then brought her into the comics. Just an incredible, like, very interesting creation. But obviously, has become one of the most powerful

and one most interesting female comic characters in history. Yeah, that's a great pick, bro. I know I've been shooting on your picks. Phenomenal pick. Phenomenal pick. That was the turn I had. I was like, do I want to pick Laura? And, like, that is a fan popular pick and a character that is now iconic.

Obviously, I don't want to say as iconic as Logan, but she has her own lore and story now that is so built up. Like, I was reading about a year ago, I was reading the X-Force run of 2010 or 2009-ish. And building her up in the comic book, separate from what you saw in Evolution, making her past so much darker and dealing with things that, you know, teenagers deal with, like, you know, hating self and different things like that, self-infliction. Like, that's powerful stuff to use as a character to explore that. And then watching her develop beyond that into full-blown star status.

Like, in the main X-Men comic, she's been the Wolverine on the main X-Men comic for the past, like, two years. Logan has been on, like, X-Force and other teams, hasn't been on the main X-Men comic because they have Laura who's now of equal, you know, iconic status, just really an amazing character. So great big, Jomey, not hating this time around. Thank you. That means a lot.

I actually want to see what she was not the only original character created for the show. And I feel confident to name this character because there's no chance in hell anybody's draft them. Y'all not going to, nobody's going to pick, nobody, Spike's not anybody's draft board? It's not happening, man. Nope, not happening. Spike not. I got love for Spike.

I really do. I don't. I don't. I definitely don't. As a black skater occasionally myself, I got love for Spike, and I love how they made him like a Moorlock by the end of the show, which is really cool. Still, no way he's on this team.

No fucking way. Ain't no way, bro. Too shut. I watch the show and I'm talking to Kermen. I'm like, bro, every time I see, every time there's a Spike episode, I'm like, ah. It's like 10 seconds. I'm pressing this.

But every time, man, like I'm not. I mean, again, fine character. Like, at the beginning. It's like, all right, cool. Then it's like, oh. And you were like, it'll pay off, man. You got to trust the process. It's good.

The Moorlock era, it didn't do it for you? Brother. Were you standing up for the little guys that you know that sitting in tunnels? You got Gene. You got Cyclops. You got rogue. Again, all those characters, I mean, so many great characters in that series and we're spending it with Spike.

That's quite interesting, Joe. Have some shame. Quite interesting. Not, yeah. Fuck them. How about that? How about that? Fuck him.

How about that? Fuck him. How about that? Yeah. I'm standing 10 toes down, nigga. How about that? Fuck Spike. Oh, my God.

God. It's terrible. It was all right, though. Shout out of Spike, though, man. Trial to the Spike. All right, it's my pick. I have loved this character, but I haven't really seen a good one in the movies, but I really have liked her a lot in the cartoons as well as the comics.

Shadow Cat, Kitty Pride. Great pick. Great. I like that. Great character, legendary runs. And not so much, I mean, obviously she's a great character, but like pivotal in so many iconic arcs in X-Men history. Days of Future Past?

Yes. Well, that's really funny because, I mean, that character is the one who's supposed to go back in time. Just fixed the whole thing. But they were like, nah. Let's give her new powers that don't make sense. Don't make sense. Well, every few Jackman needs to go back.

Let's be real. Yeah, right? The whole thing was ultimately like, well, can't really, can't send, can't send Kitty Pride back in time. I was, I was going to watch that movie. But, like, if we go back, we're saying, we'll read back in time, you know, which,

it was a fine movie. But when I'm, I'm reading the thing, or when I watch a movie, then I, like, go back and look and, like, read the thing, I'm like, oh, this is different. It's way better, too. It's different. I mean, they're both really good.

Both really good. No, Kitty Pride has, like, got some great stories behind her. And I think that's really why I wanted to keep her in here, because, again, a good moral compass. I think she's a great pure character. A lot of fun to be had with her. DC, I need to hear what some of your final picks are. Because we got to be crowning a hero here.

So this is my last two picks here, huh? Yes, sir. Okay. All right, well, I'm in need of a telepath. So, hmm, a lot of the good telepaths are off the board. Let's see. Kerm, just be nice I'm waiting on it

Just be nice I know who he has to pick And I'm waiting on him to say it So I can It's sorry Daniel I gotta do you like I do jolly I'm just waiting I'm going

I'm going with Silak right now Interesting I like I like Oh you go first You go first Well who did you think I was gonna pick I'm actually curious Who you thought

Oh no no no That's who That's who That's who I'm gonna let you talk And I'll talk All right So I mean for Silock

She I think she was like Olivia Munnan one of the movie. She hasn't really had a presence in the live action. But in the comics, I don't know. One of my favorite runs ever was the uncanny X-Force run. Cram, you know what I'm talking about? Where it was like Phantom X. I think there's actually one where they go back in time to try to kill Apocalypse.

Like I really love that. I was reading that a couple months ago. I love that. I love that run. And I think with her, especially just the side knife is such an iconic. weapon for somebody to use, especially for a telepath. Like, she's very different

from other telepaths in that sense, like with the color scheme, with the purple too. And also, honestly, I just need some Asian representation on the scene, too. It's funny. How funny is it?

So this is where we get into the lore and why Silak is a problematic character. Uh-oh. So Betsy Braddock herself, the mind within the body of the iconic character that you know as Silak is a British white woman

who had her mind-trans into an Asian woman's body. Bro. And has been, yeah, and for years. She scar-joted? Yes.

I totally forgot about this. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. She ghosted and shealed it? She imperialized an Asian woman's body, essentially. Wow. And I was waiting for somebody to make this pick to bring it up.

Holy shit. That's insane, dude. Hashtag cancel Daniel chin. Of all people on the pot, it's me. Crazy Crazy. Didn't think it was going to be you. Didn't think it was going to be my boy, Daniel. Please.

Anybody but Dale. I forgot about that, honestly. Because she has like a, isn't there another Braddock? Is there like she have like a sibling too? Or am I making it out? Yeah, or Brian Braddock who's Captain Britain? Captain Britain. Yeah.

Damn, I should, I should have known right there. That's funny. It's like I'm trying to wrap my head around her actually not being Asian. But, you know, if we're talking about recconny too, the other, the other character I was thinking of, and I don't think this is going to be my last pick. But I did want to bring it up. for the purpose of the pod too. So Scarlett Witch, she's not a,

we're not going with a mutant here, right? Nope, not a mutant. We're not doing this. Especially not the person that got rid of all mutants. I mean, we could. I kind of feel like we, we, we, we could. Like, that's a chemistry problem right there. If you don't draft it, like, I'm, I'm annihilating that pick.

I mean. She's got to be one of the most like retcon, like comic book characters too. Like, who is her dad at this point? because it's not McNato, right? Yeah. It's more like a stepdad situation. Like, I think there's still love between them based on like the 2021 new trial of Magneto

or whatever the arc they did. But yeah, no, like not officially bled. I feel like the MCU really solidified but she wasn't a mutant because it was, I mean, in like evolution, in the original 90s animated series, like she's a character on it. Like she definitely has her origins,

like very much tied to the X-Men. as one of the people that was coming over from the Brotherhood Mutants. But at any rate, I'm picking Cylock as my telepath to spike that. You know, I did not realize that history, but I'm not going to change that now. But anyway, all right, with my last pick here, it is a tough toss-up between these two characters for me, but I'm going to go with Colossus as my last pick. Fun. I need some power.

like he he's like and I definitely an iconic X-Men like with the just the metallic form like he's honestly I'm thinking of the chemistry again you got the fastball special with him in Wolverine like that's nice right there yeah I will say he I feel like the live action versions of him haven't like Deadpool literally just makes fun of how he's just kind of a vanilla character to really good comedic effect so that's the one downside of him but he's he's awesome in the comics And it's unproblematic. Nothing wrong with that. Exactly.

He's just a good dude. You know? The live action versions of Colossus are like, I don't want to say, like, I don't think it's like, spectacular, especially when he has like Wolverine and Magneto and stuff. But just like the suit, like, when he like puts on the metal here, the, the clunk, glunk, it's awesome. I love it. I think it's great. I think it's like, again, it's not like the BAMF or the SNICs or the Thwip, thwip. but like hearing that, I'm like,

ah, man, this is just a wreck. Bill of Cinema's here, you know. I really, that's a great pick, Daniel. It's a great pick. Steve, find up for us. Let's run it down. Who do I have for the last pick of my draft? I am going to go with,

tell me how Angel's problematic. He's a rich white duo with wings. Like, I don't, I have no love for Angel. I have no hate for Angel. he's just kind of there. Charles Xavier in the most recent run of Immortal X-Men, he admitted the only reason Angel is one of his original five

is because he's rich and could help fund the X mansion. So if that's your pick, that's your pick. I'm not going to hate. It looks cool. Classic guy where being rich is part of his personality. Hey, literally. Professor X needs benefactors, all right? He needs fucking bankroll.

That school is not going to pay for itself. Facts, facts. Every team needs a rich mutant on it. I understand it. I think the most interesting version of Angel for me is kind of in that same X-Force era that you were talking about. But, yeah, like when he's like Archangel and is battling essentially his demons turning to this like blue metal wing monster versus, you know, the very much white passing, or human passing mutant aside from the wings. Like, I love that dichotomy that he deals with in those runs. So I'm not going to shit on your pick, Steve.

No point. Angel. I have a question. Is Deadpool a mutant? Technically, yes. I say he's a mutate because like he was forced to get an ex-gene. It's not like he really was born with.

We'll count it. We'll count it. I feel like if we actually... We'll fucking count it. Oh, my God. Can we put an asterisk next to it? Yeah, yeah. Hey, only if you admit on the social media graphic,

you're going to put an asterisk next to it saying he's not like truly a mutant. Because he's the thing. If we all knew that Deadpool was a mutant, he would have gone a lot higher in this draft. Clearly, y'all didn't do your research. Y'all wasn't in the books like I was, clearly. Shut up, Johnny. Deadpool, with the second to last picket of draft,

I'm like Yolkich at 47, baby. During a Taco Bell commercial, there's a caserito on the screen at the bottom in the skull that says, Jomi is selected. Deadpool at 24. That's, look, y'all not locked in like I'm locked in. It's okay, I understand. You know what I'm saying?

I wasn't grinding film. I wasn't grinding tape like I was. You know what I was saying? I got back, you know, from what I was doing last night. I was just in the gym, right? I was watching tape. I was watching film. X, X1, X2, the last stand.

X-Men Wolverine Origins. The Wolverine, underrated. Logan, okay? Days of Future's past. first class I switched them up You know, I got to throw a little something Little mix in there You watched nine movies last night

That's what you're trying to say I was locked in Right Trying to get this This thing right I was like yo Deadpool we haven't Nobody's even mentioned him

I thought Daniel gave away game right there But y'all not locked in Right you took Knitruller I know what it is Because he's a real mutant You don't get to mutate over there He's not a mutant

You sound like not a lot of The not a rookie argument right now. That's between the audience and God. You got Bill, not Bill Simmons. Hey, you got Ben Simmons over there. You got Ben Simmons over there, fake-ass rookie of the year. Like, good for you. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

You come, like, look, you know what I mean? Real ones know. Some guys. Ex- Spoilers, Twitter, they know. They're going to see this and they're going to see the fraudulent pick. Some guys hurt their knee. I'm saying they got to take two years off. I've come back and be one of the best, the best superiors of all the time.

Let's look, let's even just like, forget all the mutant, not mutant stuff. Deadpool is legitimately one of the most popular characters. But it's a mutant draft, brother. And he is a mutate. Tate. That's not.

What are you doing? Let's put the asterix on that pick and move on. We got to move on. I mean, we can put it. We got to move on. Please, I need the asterisk to say. Deadpool is not officially a mutate. They can listen to the pod.

You can put that on Twitter for you. You don't know what you're doing. You could sit here and be like, Jummy, you can't take that pool because this and that. Y'all were like, ah, you can't take them. So y'all could have done it, y'all could have taken it too.

How do we mad at me? Because I got the guts. You're mad at me because I have the guts, the gall, the cahorness. Okay, so there's three of us, right? To take them. I vote, no. Y'all, that's Hayton.

That's Hayton. That's Hayton. I vote, yes. Oh, my God. That's hate. I'll allow it. I'll allow it. Absolutely.

It is. Bullshit. It is. Bullshit. It is. Y'all could have done it too. And y'all could have done it too. You're right. You're right.

All right. My last pick. Because he went there, I can't pick with my heart anymore. I can't have fun with my last pick because I'm trying to win. I'm trying to win. You took night crawler second. It's over. It's night crawler.

He's the most iconic, one of the most iconic exped ever. Not a bad pick. My last pick? My last pick, I'm going to go with magic. Okay. Okay. Another iconic, you know. I like that.

I iconic, a new mutant, all powerful. Now we got the weather. We got magic. We got the gates of hell. We got hell as our backdrop. It's kind of a rat for you, niggas. If this was a 5B5, if this was a 5B5,

you don't play on magic, Jomey. I didn't say magic wasn't powerful as long, but it's not a 5B5. It's a popularity contest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know Mr. DePaul over there. Bullshit pick, by the way. If you're listening to the sound of my voice,

do not vote Jomey, because that nigga don't go out real. Vote for the guy who drafted Did I call it first? Is Nikola second? The one of the most legendary mutants ever versus a nigga that's not a mutant. Kerm, look me in the eyes.

And tell me that Nykala wouldn't have been available later in the draft. Daniel already said it. I would have picked them. I'm sorry, Jemmy. Jomey, I would have picked them. I'm sorry. But like, Steve, right, you took magic.

Let's run down, let's run down the picks. We will. We will. Right now we're going to run down the picks. This concludes our X-Men draft with a recap of the teams. Daniel Chin went first and he picked Wolverine, Rogue, Gambit, Silock, and Colossus. I went second and I picked Magneto, Gene Gray, Beast, Kitty Pride, and Angel.

Jomi went third with Professor X, Cyclops, Iceman, X23, and Deadpool. Wash it, y'all diggers. Kerm went forth with Storm, Nightcrawler, Emma Frost, Apocalypse, and Magic. Hey, let the record show. With a K. Let the record show during Women's History Month. I'm the only one

with a team that leans three women to two new age. That's enough. That's enough. That's a wrap. No, hold on. Hold on. Because, okay, you took Nightcaller fifth.

Right? Right? Uh-huh. Sixth pick, Cyclops. Seventh pick. Gene Gray. Eighth pick. Rogue.

Ninth pick, Gambit. Tenth pick, Beast. Dog. Nightcrow, is clearly more iconic than beast. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You're going to have to answer for your crimes.

It was rogue or nightcrawling for me. I chose with my heart. And I'll stand with that. I live with that. I'm obviously looking at it now. I'm surprised like Cable, didn't go. Bishop. I was thinking, I was between Cable and Colossus for my boss pick, but I want Colosses. Yeah. Sunspot.

Cable's a great character. I'm trying to name characters off the top of my head. Hey, listen, we got a lot. There's a lot of ones that I just don't know, and I think that's just a name. Nobody picked Seifer? That was it happening. He's just going to die.

He's just going to die in battle. I almost picked Neymour as my last guy. No, that would have been. That's a better pick than Deadpool. That's good. Real mutant. Again. Again.

Y'all could have done it too. It's a lot of hate. If I had known about Siloak actually being a white woman, that was yellow face me. That's my pick, bro. Honestly, that's earth-shattering right there. I'm still reeling for that. I'm not going to lie.

I'm still reeling from that. If this was an NFL, that's a day one cut. Yeah. Wow. Grand opening, great closing on silent. Wow. All right. Well, that's going to be a wrap for us.

It's been a wonderful X-Men draft. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget tomorrow on the House of Our Feed is the debut of the Three Body Problem Book Club. Be sure to read up on it. This Thursday, the Midnight Boys, are going to be giving you reactions to X-Men 97 and Invincible. And on Friday, the House of Ar will be giving you their deep dive into the first episode of The Three Body Problem on Netflix. We are produced by The Great Kerm with absolute bitterness in his heart for how this went.

He's not a mutant. My last words, not a mutant. Remember that when you vote. Thank you so much, Daniel Chin for coming out. Thanks for having me, guys. Shout out. Please keep it brief. I'm going to play you out.

Shout out to D.C. for coming out. Appreciate you, as always. Can't wait to have you back. As always, again, think big, big thankful. Sorry. Big thank. We are big thankful. We are big thankful.

Big thanks to our wonderful producer. Frank Carm Richards. Also very powerful moon. It was on the board, too. And we will see you guys next time. Meo-Bee-Man. Batman.